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Thursday, March 31st, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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markk:

NewBuntu81: what GPU are you using?

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jrgill:

does anyone have a Philips 30PW9100D crt hdtv? i bought a vga to hdmi converter and have the exact modelines for it, and i cannot for the life of me get this thing to display anything higher than 480p. :/

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wagnerrp:

you have a vga to hdmi converter, meaning your tv has hdmi input?

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jrgill:

yes.

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wagnerrp:

so why not just use HDMI?

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jrgill:

i don't have hdmi on my computers at this time.

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wagnerrp:

do you have DVI?

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jrgill:

no, just vga and s-video.

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wagnerrp:

probably a good choice to buy a new video card

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wagnerrp:

and/or system

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wagnerrp:

something that has no digital outputs is going to be /very/ old

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wagnerrp:

and likely not up to the task of 1080p video playback

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jrgill:

my computers are laptops i purchased a few years ago. dell latitude e5500, intel t9600, intel gma 4500.

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wagnerrp:

no mini-dvi port or anything?

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wagnerrp:

even my 9yr old P3 laptop has a DVI port

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jrgill:

yeah, i dont understand it. it's also capable of digital audio, but i think via this s-video port with a few extra pins.

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wagnerrp:

no, non-standard svideo ports generally add composite, or maybe component video, by a breakout cable

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wagnerrp:

its pretty rare to find one that does audio

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jrgill:

this is the manual for the e5500 laptop. it mentions a s/pdif a few times. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems . . . g/qrg_en.pdf

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jrgill:

interesting, i guess. i've never tried it.

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jrgill:

the tv's page indicating support for resolutions i'm trying. http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpi . . . mp;faqview=1

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jrgill:

an example of someone getting this tv to work. not sure how he's connecting to it, though. http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV

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jrgill:

i couldn't pull the edid for this tv myself, so i found one online. i'm in windows right now with powerstrip. i've also had no success with a ubuntu live cd. http://pastebin.com/aJj6P5jr

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** jrgill shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

but... youre not sending video to that TV to want to use a modeline for it

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wagnerrp:

you need to use a modeline for your converter

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wagnerrp:

forget the tv

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jrgill:

i was thinking i needed to get a modeline that worked for both the converter and the tv. yeah, i guess that explains why i cant get edid data for the tv.

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jrgill:

wagnerrp: i tried the converter on a 50" samsung plasma and it worked fine; this is why i started focusing on the tv. does my configuration w/ the converter reflect to the tv more than just a plain 720p signal? i.e. will various modelines for 720p affect the tv differently? i can't understand why this tv doesnt receive the signal.

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont know

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wagnerrp:

my suggest would be to abandon the converter, and any attempt at custom modelines

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johnsu01:

so, I moved across the country, and updated my schedules direct info, but myth is recording a lot of wrong shows under the wrong names

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wagnerrp:

johnsu01: have you created new video sources, scanned, pulled guide data, and mapped them to the relevant tuners?

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johnsu01:

I've rescanned the channels (this is OTA), and it's recording some shows correctly too

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johnsu01:

wagnerrp: yes, I think so at least

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you would have just started fresh with a new video source

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wagnerrp:

rather than try to reuse an old one

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johnsu01:

oh I did not do that

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johnsu01:

I tried to just update the existing one

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wagnerrp:

you generally want to keep that around, since you still have recordings mapped to those old channels

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johnsu01:

hm

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johnsu01:

trying to do a scan with a new video source, I'm getting "channel could not be opened"

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johnsu01:

hm apparently setup didn't actually stop the backend like it said

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johnsu01:

wagnerrp: what do you mean by having recordings still tied to those old channels?

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wagnerrp:

recordings are mapped to a chanid, which has no meaning outside the database

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wagnerrp:

if you delete all those old channels, you lose the information associated with that chanid

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wagnerrp:

so you will no longer have a channel name for the recording

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johnsu01:

okay

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johnsu01:

I don't think I care about that

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wagnerrp:

and other similar issues

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wagnerrp:

its a cosmetic issue, rather than anything functional

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Wicked:

is it possible/a good idea to have non system disks shut off when not in use.

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Wicked:

well maybe not shut off...but like stop spinning until they need to be used? is there any befits? any drawbacks?

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wylie_:

any hdpvr users who are not using te default video_bitrate,video_peak_bitrate?

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wylie_:

s/te/the

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johnsu01:

wagnerrp: okay, making a new video source seems to have fixed things, thanks

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mycosys:

wicked – yes and normal

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Wicked:

hehe mycosys what is normal referring to heeh :)

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Wicked:

double hehe! my bad

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mycosys:

most distros are set up that way by default

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Wicked:

ah ok.

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Wicked:

tbh...i havent really payed attention.

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Wicked:

but is something i want to look into

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mycosys:

look in whatever power management ur distro has

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mycosys:

also spin down the system drive

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wylie_:

it seems it is not possible to not set the hdpvr video_bitrate,video_peak_bitrate to any effect on recordings. is this accurate?

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wagnerrp:

wylie_: the HDPVR does not accurately follow those values when you tell it to run VBR

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wagnerrp:

however it will follow them if you tell it to use CBR

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Teligard:

2, hopefully minor, questions:

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Teligard:

1. What key do I press to stop a recording?

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Teligard:

2. Are there *shortcut keys* that can take you directly to Watch TV, Videos, etc?

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wagnerrp:

in watch recordings, you should be able to delete an in progress recording just like any other recording

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wagnerrp:

and you can use jump points to take you directly to those areas

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wagnerrp:

but you will have to define keys for them

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wagnerrp:

there are no defaults

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Teligard:

Right now I'm configuring my lircrc settings, and wanted a "stop" button.

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Teligard:

Don't really want to delete the recording

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if theres a simple way to stop an in-progress recording

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wagnerrp:

usually you only want to do that if you intend to delete it

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Teligard:

wow, um, ok

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wagnerrp:

are you talking about livetv?

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Teligard:

yes

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wagnerrp:

'esc'

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wagnerrp:

it behaves just like all other playback

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Teligard:

That exits to the menu, but the recording is still going in the background

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Teligard:

tried it

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wagnerrp:

no, when you exit livetv, the backend will terminate the associated recording

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wagnerrp:

at most, it may take a couple seconds for it to clean everything up

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wagnerrp:

unless you hit 'r', telling it to make the current session a scheduled recording

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Teligard:

that's what I do.

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Teligard:

or did

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Teligard:

and assumed that there would be a key to stop recording.

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Teligard:

seeing that you can start a recording impromptu

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to hit 'r' is because you want to ensure it records to end while you stop watching it

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wagnerrp:

if you wanted to terminate it early, then you clearly had no intent of watching it, and have no reason to keep it around

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, if youre just using livetv, then there is no reason to hit 'r'

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markk:

Teligard: have you tried pressing 'r' again?

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Teligard:

no

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Teligard:

Is it a toggle?

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Teligard:

Let me try it

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markk:

should be

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Teligard:

ok, works

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Teligard:

not, in my opinion, optimal, but it does work

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering why you are hitting 'r' in the first place?

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Teligard:

Sometimes you only want a portion of a program, not the whole thing

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wylie_:

wagnerrp: ty re CBR vs VBR

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Teligard:

now for the subject of Jump Points...

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markk:

Teligard: toggling recording is pretty much what every vcr, set top box etc that I have ever seen has done.

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Teligard:

Generally, using my normal DVR, I can hit record, then stop

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Teligard:

I've not tried to use the record to stop a recording.

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Teligard:

maybe pause, or the like, but not record again

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wagnerrp:

Teligard: understand that hitting start and stop does not set any sort of cut point in the recording

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Teligard:

either way, it works :-)

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wagnerrp:

all live tv is recorded

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wagnerrp:

when you tune a channel, it opens a file to record to

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Teligard:

Right. It's set to the drive, then sent to the display.

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wagnerrp:

and it stores everything until you change channels, or the program ends, to that file

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wagnerrp:

so when you hit 'r', it simply tells mythtv that you want to keep the recording

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wagnerrp:

and that it is no longer a livetv session that will get expired off the drive within a day

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wagnerrp:

when you hit 'r' a second time, you are telling mythtv that it is in fact a livetv session

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wagnerrp:

and can be deleted whenever mythtv wants

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wagnerrp:

you are not telling it to start and stop recording, if thats what you think is happening

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Teligard:

ok

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Teligard:

Well, regardless, my lirc config isn't working, so I'm beating my head against a wall.

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wagnerrp:

changes in lircrc do not take effect until the frontend is restarted

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Teligard:

I not only restarted the lirc daemon, but also the front end

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wagnerrp:

you only need to restart lircd if you make changes to lircd.conf

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Teligard:

I'm sure I'm simply doing some thing wrong, just don't entirely know what

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Teligard:

ok

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slickrick:

hi. i am attempting to find orphan files in my recorded program storage directory. i wrote a python script which is a for loop that goes through each .mpg file in the directory.

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slickrick:

i then do SELECT * FROM `recorded` WHERE basename = 'filename.mpg' and if i get 0 rows back i assume this is an orphan.

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slickrick:

does my logic make sense? or should are there additional tables i should be checking?

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wagnerrp:

slickrick: no, none at all

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py

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slickrick:

wagnerrp: thanks. therefore i have 91 orphans out of 1182. i wonder how that happens.

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slickrick:

wow, your script is a lot nicer than mine.

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Teligard:

I'm wondering if I'm calling the script incorrectly.

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Teligard:

Does this sound right for a shell script:

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Teligard:

changchannel.sh 0x000 --raw

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wagnerrp:

depends on the shell script

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wagnerrp:

this is for an external channel changer?

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wagnerrp:

if thats the case, whatever command you put on that line will be called with the integer channel appended to the end

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Teligard:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration

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sphery:

wagnerrp: why would it generate and attach a file for the --version info? wouldn't it just stick that info into a different (non-description) field that's not included in the DB search?

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sphery:

pretty sure by default it won't search the new fields you add--you have to explicitly add them to searches

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wagnerrp:

didnt think of doing it that way

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sphery:

have to admit that I didn't test my theory that it's not included in the search

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sphery:

just basing that on a couple half sentences I saw out of the corner of my eye while clicking around through the docs :)

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sphery:

(showing stuff about adding your new field to searches/reports0

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sphery:

but that way, we could actually display the version output on the ticket page, where devs don't have to click through to see it

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sphery:

and even include it in mails or whatever

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wagnerrp:

true

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sphery:

I really ought to try to figure it out myself and then bring a solution to the table--rather than a vague idea :)

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slickrick:

wagnerrp: my orphans were taking 120gb. that worked great! thanks for the help.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any idea what might cause all those orphaned files?

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sphery:

let me look back at scrollback

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wagnerrp:

no, just in general

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wagnerrp:

there is no meaningful scrollback to look at

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sphery:

slickrick: you are using mythtv to delete files, right?

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wagnerrp:

i mean in theory, orphaned files should not happen

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slickrick:

sphery: yes, always.

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sphery:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

its the opposite

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sphery:

and don't on my system :)

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wagnerrp:

metadata is gone, files still exist

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sphery:

that can happen when one force deletes a recording with an unmounted file system

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sphery:

I think I heard it said (though I've never looked to verify) that mythweb is now always using a force delete

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sphery:

slickrick: using mythfrontend or mythweb to delete?

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slickrick:

sphery: a bit of both actually.

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sphery:

slickrick: non-US (or at least non-English) locale by any chance?

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slickrick:

sphery: no.

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sphery:

ok, good--if it were, that could indicate a hard-to-fix problem :)

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sphery:

(hard to find, really--not hard to fix)

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sphery:

slickrick: NFS?

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slickrick:

sphery: i am using nfs on the backend. but it thought recorded programs were streamed through the frontend?

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slickrick:

hope that makes sense .... ?

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sphery:

so where do the files exist? On a file system local to the frontend? Or just some random file server on the network?

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slickrick:

sphery: i have one backend and all the files are local to it.

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

I'm having a hard time thinking of any way--even wild and crazy ways--we could be leaking any recording files

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sphery:

I'd guess if we are it's some relatively new bug

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sphery:

what version of mythtv are you using?

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sphery:

it is unstable development?

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slickrick:

just looking through some of the orphans. some are 0 byte files all on the same day at the same time jan 1/08 1:43:38 , there are 31 of them.

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slickrick:

mine is older 0.23, installed from ubuntu packages.

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sphery:

interesting.

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wagnerrp:

surely youre not running 0.23

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sphery:

wow, on 0.23-fixes, I don't remember any real problems with orphaned files

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sphery:

I hope you have the -fixes stuff

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wagnerrp:

because that script wont run on 0.23

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sphery:

from auto-builds

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slickrick:

wagnerrp: yes i am. :s

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slickrick:

waiting for the next release of ubuntu lts to upgrade the backend and my nfsroot frontends.

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sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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wagnerrp:

im almost positive that script wont run on 0.23

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slickrick:

wagnerrp: your script? no it won't ...

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sphery:

what Ubuntu version is this?

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wagnerrp:

so you were talking about your script that you detailed above?

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slickrick:

10.04.02

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wagnerrp:

the one i said whose logic made no sense?

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wagnerrp:

its generally best to make as few SQL calls as possible

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wagnerrp:

you should be pulling a list of recordings on the local host

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wagnerrp:

and matching that list with the list of files

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wagnerrp:

but more than that, you shouldnt be making sql calls at all

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slickrick:

wagnerrp: i guess i misinterpreted what you said. i thought you meant there were no additional tables i should be checking.

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wagnerrp:

since the bindings should provide you all the database access you need

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wagnerrp:

and you also should not be modifying the database to delete anything

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wagnerrp:

but rather telling the backend to delete what you need

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slickrick:

wagnerrp: i'm only reading from the db.

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slickrick:

i could probably figure out the bindings, but just wanted to make something quick and dirty to check to see if files on the file system existed in the recorded table.

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slickrick:

i am not writing to the database or making any changes. i get you point why that'd be dangerous however.

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wagnerrp:

well its more that were you to manually delete recordings from the database, there are some half a dozen different tables you need to edit

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slickrick:

gotcha. my script was more basic than that, just checking to see if i had files on the fs that were not in the db.

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mycosys:

slickrick – ur gonna wait 2 years to upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

you can get 0.24 packages for 10.04

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mycosys:

uhuh

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mycosys:

i am running em

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slickrick:

mycosys: no, april when 11.04 lts is released.

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mycosys:

that isnt lts

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mycosys:

12.04 will be

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wagnerrp:

the only do LTS releases every other year

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wagnerrp:

8.04 was the last one before current

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slickrick:

oh, okay learned something new again. i thought all .04 releases were lts.

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mycosys:

nup

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mycosys:

every second april

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mycosys:

;)

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mycosys:

just enable the ppa in mythbuntu repos

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slickrick:

i think that must be a common misconception then just saw an page entitled with "what is the best feature of 11.04 lts" hah.

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mycosys:

should get every release til 12.04 hits that way

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slickrick:

maybe i'm overly cautious about upgrading in general. my whole entertainment life revolves around myth. i don't have anything connected to my tvs other than frontends for myth.

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sphery:

yeah, you really should--if nothing else--enable the mythbuntu repo for 0.23-fixes

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slickrick:

i am going to backup my nfsroot and backend and try upgrading to the latest.

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sphery:

if you have the pre-0.23-buggy-version that ships with one of the *buntu versions, I'm not too surprised you're finding strange issues :)

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sphery:

(it called itself 0.23, though)

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slickrick:

well the strangest i have found is the orphans... everything else is super solid.

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mycosys:

having just gone from 0.22 jaunty to 10.04 lucid with minimal pain – and no pain at all from myth, i can say ur unlikely to have any suffering

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Teligard:

If I'm trying to pass a channel to the channelchange script, would I pass it lie channelchange 0x00 %1?

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slickrick:

but, there must be lots of new stuff i am missing out on, so it's a good excuse to backup what i have and then upgrade.

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wagnerrp:

Teligard: only if you wanted to run 'channelchange 0x00 %1 <channel number>'

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Teligard:

so it auto-appends the channel #?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Teligard:

This is a good thing; now I just need to figure out how to identify with remote ID I am using

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Teligard:

which, that is

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Teligard:

(assuming that I"m using the script right by passing the hex id)

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wagnerrp:

is this for firewire or something?

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wagnerrp:

im not understanding why you would have a hex id

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sphery:

Teligard: "channelchange dish0" , then write the channelchange script to use $1 as the remote id and $2 as the channel

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sphery:

oh, or if it's firewire, nvm... I don't know how any of those work

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wagnerrp:

if youre not capturing over firewire, you have to use a channel change script just like everything else

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Teligard:

This is an IR remote, through the mceusb ir receiver

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Teligard:

The remote is a Dish Network EchoStar remore

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Teligard:

remote

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Teligard:

I've seen plenty of examples, but can't get them to work

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wagnerrp:

get the script working manually

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wagnerrp:

then figure out how to get it tied into mythtv

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sphery:

Teligard: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dish-change-channel-lirc.sh and change line REMOTE_NAME=dish1 to REMOTE_NAME=$1 ; shift

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sphery:

then set up your mythtv to use: dish-change-channel-lirc.sh dish0

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sphery:

and dish-change-channel-lirc.sh dish5

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sphery:

or whatever 2 remote codes you're using

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sphery:

(where you specify the remote code appropriate for the STB controlling the video hooked to the input you're configuring)

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Teligard:

ok

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sphery:

could use the same approach with most of the scripts at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration is already doing similar... expecting commands like: changechannel 1

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sphery:

and changechannel 5

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sphery:

etc

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sphery:

Teligard: ^^^

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sphery:

where changechannel 1 would execute changechannel using remote codes from the definition for dish1

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sphery:

(oh, and it seems there is no dish0, so don't use that :)

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kisak:

hello, mythtranscode on 0.24-fixes (238 on the release notes) is causing me trouble

[03:48:53]

kisak:

I have a script which tries to use mythtranscode losslessly, and fails over to lossy. If it succeeds with the lossy transcode the output file has an extreme audio desync problem, but there's conditions

[03:49:23]

kisak:

I estimate that the audio playback is about 8–10 times slower than the video playback

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kisak:

but, if the audio stream capture was late, then mythfrontend will let the audio stream kick in (less than five) seconds after the start of playback at regular speed

[03:53:05]

kisak:

if I bookmark somewhere midway through the file and restart playback from there, it appears that the audio starts at that positon but remains at the 1/8x – 1/10x speed

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Teligard:

right

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Teligard:

I've tried both, meeting with abyssmal failure

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kisak:

I should also not that that I've only observed this behavior from two HD channels which are captured via firewire

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Teligard:

(cycled through 6 dish settings)

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kisak:

Lossless transcode fails regularly on these channels

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Teligard:

I'm going to see if I can find any logs from lirc

[04:01:09]

Teligard:

maybe I have something askew

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jrgill:

anyone have a philips 30PW9100D? >.>

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Teligard:

I can'f find a lirc log

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Teligard:

ah, neverming

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Teligard:

nevermind

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Teligard:

actually, on econd thought, still haven't found it

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** wagnerrp needs more monitors **

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Shadow__X:

i feel your pain. I wouldnt mind a tri monitor setup

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wagnerrp:

yeah you would, its not enough

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wagnerrp:

with a dozen gvim windows open, a few terminals, API documentation, and IRC

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wagnerrp:

im long past filled

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Shadow__X:

maybe up the size? 3 27inchers perhaps?

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Shadow__X:

or even 30s

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wagnerrp:

ive used 30" monitors... not for me

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wagnerrp:

too tall

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Shadow__X:

perhaps 27s then as they are widescreen

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Beirdo:

this little ARM9T board makes a nice MP3/OGG player while I compile libs for it

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wagnerrp:

and an expensive one at that

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Beirdo:

not really

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wagnerrp:

why is my laptop claiming it is running at 4160x1200?

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Beirdo:

$109 for an MP3 player ain't THAT expensive :)

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wagnerrp:

its breaking synergy because its placing the cursor 2500 pixels off to the right side

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Beirdo:

mot that that's the real purpose for it

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wagnerrp:

i thought they were $150 and up

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Beirdo:

not all of em

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wagnerrp:

oh, crap

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Beirdo:

http://www.andahammer.com/mini35-sdk/

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Beirdo:

that's the one I have here

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wagnerrp:

stupid... i had the DISPLAY set to my desktop

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Beirdo:

oops

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wagnerrp:

so synergy was trying to wrap the cursor back on itself

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Shadow__X:

nice

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Beirdo:

go libjpeg

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Beirdo:

I tell it ./configure --host... it ignores it

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Beirdo:

and decides to use the native compiler rather than the cross-compile one

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wagnerrp:

ok, thats working... another 2MP to work with

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justinh:

erm.. *eight* DVB-T multiplexes after the digital switchover is complete in 2012?!?!?!?! Uhhh.. WHY? Like there aren't already enough crufty channels. Pfft

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wagnerrp:

but you need BBC 12, and BBC 13, and BBC 14, and BBC 15, and BBC...

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

hey, maybe they're going to split everything off & up the bitrates to maintain picture quali... oh wait...

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Beirdo:

oooh, and my first set of boards being made are being shipped to me from Colorado :)

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Beirdo:

yay

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justinh:

whoah. reading about UK digital TV news, it seems a few propriatary EPG systems have died, or are dying a death – meaning that people are left with impotent equipment

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justinh:

IMHo there really should be legislation to prevent anybody selling stuff for 'Freeview' which uses propriatary tech

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justinh:

oh great. OFCOM wants to sell off the 800Mhz band so BBC Mux A will have to move

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justinh:

nah, can't find anything *official* that mentions eight dvb muxes here. Assuming somebody is talking out of their hat

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Beirdo:

OK, I need sshd on this ARM board :)

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justinh:

even OFCOM's own digital switchover planning docs clearly only show a *maximum* of six freeview muxes – 7 in my region

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justinh:

I hate it when people state 'facts' they 'read somewhere' without citing a reference

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justinh:

as for the mentioned switch to DVB-T2 even OFCOM have already categorically stated there are *no* plans to move existing channels to dvb-t2. Jesus. Imagine the outcry – "oh by the way.. all your Freeview stuff is now only good for landfill.. cheers"

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justinh:

ugh. apparently they've allocated the 'white space' between DVB muxes for 'local TV use'. We don't need no fricking parochial local teevees, man

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Maccco:

i would like to buy a reliable nvidia card capable to deinterlace 1080i videos.

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Maccco:

and would prefer to be fanless, any suggestion?

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justinh:

yeah try an online retailer who sells computer components

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Maccco:

justinh: thanks for the suggestion the grocery hasn't -.-

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wagnerrp:

Maccco: any nvidia card manufactured in the last three years will fit that bill

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wagnerrp:

perhaps you could be a bit more specific

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Maccco:

i didn't know

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Maccco:

i just want to insert it in my htpc

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justinh:

probably means something that can do advanced 2x deinterlacing

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Maccco:

the best quality with the best silence of operation

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wagnerrp:

normal behavior for mythtv is to use the CPU for decoding and deint, relying on the GPU only for scaling and compositing

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Maccco:

not all recent cards can do advanced 2x?

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justinh:

fanless doesn't necessarily mean cool though – you've got to get rid of the heat somehow

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wagnerrp:

just about any nvidia card will have sufficient opengl performance to do that

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wagnerrp:

Maccco: do you know anything about vdpau?

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Maccco:

mythtv uses hardware accelerated deinterlacing for each deint method when using vdpau

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wagnerrp:

correct

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justinh:

I'd go with VDPAU for output, going by everything I've heard/read about it

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justinh:

probably wouldn't rely on it for decoding though

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Maccco:

i already hane a gforce 8300 which works good in deinterlacing 576i, but not with 1080i

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wagnerrp:

and while any VDPAU capable card will be plenty capable of handling mythtv's opengl needs, and will be able to do some deinterlacing in VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

youll need a GT220 or better to do advanced 2x at 1080i50

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justinh:

I think 512MB is the minimum RAM you need to look at too

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Maccco:

i prefer to make the gpu do all the work

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wagnerrp:

an 8300 should be capable of handling onefield, bob, and possibly temporal for 1080i content

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justinh:

Maccco: better to have enough CPU to fall back on

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Maccco:

And.... i need an hbr capable audio codec

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justinh:

Maccco: speaking from experience. I used to rely on xvmc – which was fine when it worked – and when it worked it was brilliant. But when it didn't work.. oh boy. *STUTTER*

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Maccco:

justinh: vdpau isn't xvmc.

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justinh:

no, you're right. but it is potentially as limiting as xvmc

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wagnerrp:

justinh: with that graphics chip, hes going to have at least a mid-2GHz dual core AMD

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wagnerrp:

Maccco: what hes implying is that VDPAU is statically defined, and cannot be updated once it was baked into the hardware

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justinh:

have enough CPU headroom to fall back on and you CANNOT LOSE

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Maccco:

wagnerrp: i had indeed a 2.5ghz dual core

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wagnerrp:

so if VDPAU fails to decode your content due to stream errors, or encoding options it cant handle, or because its simply a format it cant handle

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wagnerrp:

you want CPU to fall back on

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Maccco:

but i have a particular setup if you want to hear about it it'sinteresting

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justinh:

wagnerrp: no, what I'm implying is that all it takes is for something in the broadcast stream to change – a change transparent to hardware STB users – and you wind up having to wait for a driver update to fix decoding

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wagnerrp:

vdpau does not handle audio

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wagnerrp:

so whatever card and video output you choose will have no affect on HBR handling

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mycosys:

: justinh: with that graphics chip, hes going to have at least a mid-2GHz dual core AMD <<< you forgot sempron

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justinh:

see? ;-)

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Maccco:

(telephone sorry)

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: well.. i refuse to believe anyone would intentionally purchase a single core processor in this day and age

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justinh:

for european HDTV, think > 2.8Ghz Core2 Duo kinda power.. h.264, see

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wagnerrp:

that depends more on whether its single or multi-sliced

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wagnerrp:

multi-sliced, that processor will do fine

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justinh:

generally multi-sliced

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wagnerrp:

single sliced... not so much

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Beirdo:

mmm, sliced bread.

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justinh:

how's the single slice multithread ffmpeg stuff coming along, I wonder...

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wagnerrp:

it got committed, and then may or may not have been reverted

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justinh:

oof

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** Beirdo gives gnuplot a dirty look **

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Beirdo:

compile, you little bugger

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Maccco:

wagnerrp: vdpau doesn't affect audio, but nvidia card does. I need a nvidia cars capable to handle 1080i video correctly and capable to bitstream hdaudio over hdmi

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Maccco:

possibile with best quality

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justinh:

if it's just dumping the bitstream there should be no 'quality' issue

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Maccco:

I don't want to stress cpu because it does realtime multichannel dsp with drc/brutefir

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Maccco:

justinh: right for the audio. But for video I need quality

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Maccco:

So 1080i advanced 2x

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Beirdo:

haha, it's trying to build the docs... but the local doc2gih binary is built with the cross-compiler.

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Maccco:

(is it a motion adaptive deinterlacing? )

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Beirdo:

idiots

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justinh:

so GTX240 or so then

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justinh:

Maccco: according to people who talk about it, it's about as good as you can get without buying an expensive scaler box

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Maccco:

perfect, just need a good low power gtx240 :)

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justinh:

wouldn't matter if the deinterlacers in teevees were worth a frickin light :)

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Maccco:

justinh: i have an expensive scaler box :( but nvidia 1080i output doesn't work right :''''( swap fields

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justinh:

yeah cos there's no way to know which field it's outputting at the time. Go nvidia. Actually go ATI too.. nor can they. Nor Intel

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justinh:

maybe it's more to do with X not having a means of knowing which field it's outputting.. but then who'd want an interlaced desktop? ;-)

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Maccco:

justinh: when you want an external deinterlacer to do the trick

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justinh:

yes I know

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Maccco:

i have an ABT in my yamaha Z7

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justinh:

but mythtv has no way of knowing which field the display is on

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justinh:

hence the 50–50 chance of starting playback on the wrong field

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Maccco:

it's not a problem of time

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Maccco:

is a problem of spave

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Maccco:

space

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Maccco:

even in still images the screen looks bad

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justinh:

well yeah, pause an interlaced recording outputting one field... eew

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Maccco:

with horizontal lines evenly swapped, don't know if i'm explaining well

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justinh:

I know what interlaced stuff looks like when it's displayed badly

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justinh:

so I know what you mean

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Maccco:

not only video, the desktop looks horribl

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justinh:

I know what interlaced stuff looks like when the fields end up displayed in the wrong order too

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Maccco:

ok :)

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justinh:

my cable box does that sometimes

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Beirdo:

OK, gnuplop is compiled

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justinh:

they should've just bit the bullet & gone 1080P throughout

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justinh:

to hell with the cost :D

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Maccco:

Fortunately my ABT is able to guess interlaced video with a 1080p, but doesn't work all the time, sometimes it loose the cadence

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Maccco:

i would solve everything if I could fix 1080i output

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justinh:

better to output at 1080P & let the card – or software do the deinterlacing

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Maccco:

without buying anything more :(

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justinh:

with advanced 2x apparently it'll compare very well to your fancy box

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Maccco:

justinh: that's why i'm think at buing a new card

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** justinh wonders if VDPAU scaling is better than the all-singing-all-dancing lanzcos **

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justinh:

ruh – are my eyes deceiving me here – xbmc doesn't use VDPAU for mpeg2? heh

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Maccco:

i think vdapu decoding is simply good. Don't know about the super-scaler (or what it is named) because gforce 8300 doesn't superscale

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Maccco:

Anyway I have all the gear to do it good, the only problem is X which doesn't output interlaced correctly

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justinh:

FWIW if you care that much about quality you can't be too critical when you're only watching broadcast TV

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Maccco:

yes you're rtight

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

here I am building crap I can't run... because the board is using an older libc

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justinh:

set X at 1080P, do advanced 2x deint with VDPAU.. that should be good enough for anybody. From what I've heard. I'm not buying into HD yet

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justinh:

the pictures may very well be compelling, but the narrative ISN'T

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justinh:

spoken like a true old man ^^

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Maccco:

i have a 100'' screen and a vpr... sometimes I would like the call here friends and see a soccer game all together :)

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justinh:

they don't do the sport in progressive? eew

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Maccco:

nope :(

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justinh:

Mind, I think progressive 25fps looks juddery

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Maccco:

My vpr is an epson which has a wonderful video interpolation

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justinh:

mind, I think film at the cinema looks juddery

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Maccco:

Infact i watch blurays with frame interpolation turned on. It's really a great improvement

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justinh:

I don't like the idea of interpolating stuff. it's adding stuff that isn't there. I've seen some Sony TVs make a right pig's arse of it

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justinh:

*expensive* Sony TVs

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Maccco:

justinh: I would agree with you once. Then I saw how it looked and I will nevere come back

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Maccco:

i'm quite sensible to video quality

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Maccco:

but this algorithm really works magically.

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justinh:

what none of the motion processing is yet capable of doing is recognising context. Say when there's a big close up of somebody's face, the camera pans across & the person turns their head – I've actually seen what looks like different parts of the face move at different rates. it's barely noticable but once you've seen it.. eew

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Maccco:

No tears, no corruptions, no problems. Just fluent video

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justinh:

it all looked fluid & smooth.. just bloody *weird*

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justinh:

"but hey, it was 200Hz" :P

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Maccco:

justinh: not mine

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justinh:

well no not yours because you paid $$$$ for the box of tricks

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Maccco:

and even a noob could notice it in a 100'' screen

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Maccco:

:)

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justinh:

I'm not paying $$$$ for a box of tricks. I just want it to look as smooth & as nice as my CRT

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Beirdo:

OH WTF did I mess up?

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Beirdo:

upgraded libc on this board...

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Maccco:

My crt wasn't so big it was a 15'' :D

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Beirdo:

"kernel too old"

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Beirdo:

on everything

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justinh:

I'll mourn my 32" panasonic when it dies

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justinh:

unless I can replace it with another :)

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Maccco:

Changin argument i'm stuck with 2.6.36 because it works better in realtime stuff. The new scheduler mess makes my firewire audiocard XRun more

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Maccco:

more often

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Beirdo:

crap crap crap

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Maccco:

Sometimes i have the luck to see some of the latest sony trinitron. They were the state of the art

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justinh:

B&O know how to make a really good CRT too

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justinh:

more than anyone else IMHO.. their HT PSUs were massively over-engineered :D

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justinh:

no bounce, no bearding..

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Maccco:

They really were too expensive. My related had one, but lived too far from me to see it. It replaced it with a stupid lcd -.-

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justinh:

they were expensive (in part) because of the over-engineered HT PSU ;-)

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Maccco:

by the way zotac made a fanless gt430, 700mhz!

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justinh:

GTX240 is as high as you need go. anything else is overkill, and maybe even limits VDPAU capacity

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Maccco:

do you think vdpau has issues with gt430?

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justinh:

I know some supposedly higher end cards don't do as well as supposedly lesser cards

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Maccco:

well, so i'll wait some more

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justinh:

see http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . edchips.html

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Maccco:

I need hbr bitsream only for dts-ma tracks, because there isn't a free decoder. Everything else is correctly decoded by the cpu. Bluray status is still too early and must stick with ps3 as a player

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Maccco:

I know there is libbdplus but there isn't any link on the internet. Is that kept secret because of DMCA issues?

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justinh:

if I were an AV-phile I'd likely have enough spare cash to not have to worry about doing it all in software

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Twiggy2cents:

How many cores can mythtv video playback take advantage of on interlaced video?

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Teligard:

Well, I think I found where my LIRC issue is, and it doesn't have to do with the the scripts, afaik

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Teligard:

When I bring up the mythbackend, and I review the console/shell that is loaded, it says it's unable to open the LIRC config file

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Teligard:

I've verified it's there, and have opened up permissions, in order to make SURE that the file can be read

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Teligard:

I'm at a loss

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Teligard:

any ideas would be very helpful

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Teligard:

I also keep getting notified by mythbackend, that it's unable to write to a couple of directories. I keep having to reset the permissions to fix it.

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Teligard:

I don't know how to reolve either issue

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kisak:

Teligard: do you need to add the mythtv user to a certain group to reliably have access to it?

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justinh:

Teligard: also, mythbackend won't even try to use lirc

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justinh:

only mythfrontend & mythwelcome use lirc

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justinh:

Twiggy2cents: interlacing has nothing to do with how many cores you can use for video playback. *Slicing* of h.264 streams does, however

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Twiggy|worx:

I asked this earlier, but I had to leave that computer. Would mythtv benifit with more cores? In the playback profiles you can tell it how many cores you want it to use. I just want to know if I should get a better core 2 duo or a good core 2 quad

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justinh:

Twiggy2cents: only if the video is sliced, as some h.264 is

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justinh:

doesn't matter whether the video is interlaced or not

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Twiggy|worx:

Okay, mpeg2 doesnt gain much then?

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justinh:

won't gain anything til multithreaded ffmpeg hits the ground

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justinh:

even then, mpeg2 is easy enough to decode for most modern CPUs

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justinh:

(excluding Atom of course)

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Twiggy|worx:

Well I had a celeron 775 and it sucked, I am borrowing a friends core 2 duo and it is great. When it comes time to me buying one I wanted to know which to go with, 2 or 4 core.

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Twiggy|worx:

Atom ftw! I love not being able to watch youtube fullscreen on my netbook

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justinh:

youtube crud is likely not mpeg2 ;-)

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Twiggy|worx:

so if you tell myth to use two cores for video on mpeg2, does it use one core for processing and one for deinterlacing?

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TheMaverick`:

Can anyone link me to a quality (up-to-date) list of Linux-compatible digital TV (USA) capture cards?

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Twiggy|worx:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information

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TheMaverick`:

Twiggy|worx: Thank you very much

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markk:

Twiggy|worx: if you're using hardware acceleration (e.g. vdpau), the number of cores is pretty much irrelevant. If software decoding, ffmpeg can only spread the load on certain stream types at the moment. If it can, it will share decoding across as many process as you've specified. Some of the software deinterlacers are also multi-threaded – only kernel and yadif though.

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markk:

and those deinterlacers will also use the number of threads you've set in the display profile. There is no coordination between the number of decoding and deinterlacing threads though.

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TheMaverick`:

How do I find out what kind of card I need (ATSC, DVB-C, DVB-S, DVB-S2, etc.)?

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mycosys:

what country are you in TheMaverick ?

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mycosys:

and how do you get ur TV

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TheMaverick`:

mycosys: USA, and I can get over-the-air or cable

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mycosys:

ATSC

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TheMaverick`:

for over-the-air?

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mycosys:

for over the air anyway

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TheMaverick`:

or is that for both?

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mycosys:

i think might be both, but i am australia so not sure

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TheMaverick`:

Ah... okies, yea... I thought I remembered ATSC being OTA

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mycosys:

we are DVB-T

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TheMaverick`:

hmm

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mycosys:

i think cable varies by company

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mycosys:

but one trick with cable is to use their box and analog capture from the composite out – often the only way to get the encrypted channels

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mycosys:

apparently the HDHomeRun is popular for the job

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mycosys:

*component out lol

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mycosys:

composite is shocking quality, component is great lol

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Twiggy|worx:

thank you markk

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mycosys:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable wagnerrp posted this a bit ago themaverick – prolly of help

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TheMaverick`:

mycosys: I'll have a look at it. I have a cable box in my apartment from the previous tenant, might still work if I activate it on the account.

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mycosys:

:)

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mycosys:

recommend you dont use a framegrabber card – takes a heap of CPU – use something with an mp2/mp4 encoder built in

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joshn:

I've got an interesting problem...If I start mythbackend with no options and tell it to record a show, the program file gets created, but it never gets recorded to. If I start with "mythbackend -v most", recordings work fine. Any idea what would cause that?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like a race condition, that the additional logging slows the program down and changes the timing such that it does not occur

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joshn:

yea, that's what it sounds like

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joshn:

any idea how to even start looking into the problem?

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iamlindoro:

[25524]

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SVN 25524: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d3b82ab5

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TheMaverick`:

mycosys: Yea... hardware encoding ftw :P Btw, I think US is ATSC for everything.

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wagnerrp:

the US is ATSC for everything broadcast digitally

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wagnerrp:

low power stations can still broadcast NTSC

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wagnerrp:

and cable can use NTSC or QAM

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justinh:

hmmm just checked radiotimes.com & it seems 'click' is still listed at 4.30am this Sunday yet mythtv is saying it's on at 5.30

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iamlindoro:

With any luck you'll miss it, assuming you mean the movie

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wagnerrp:

not one of christopher walken's better roles?

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iamlindoro:

Sadly, Walken is probably the high point of that movie

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iamlindoro:

It does hold the dubious distinction of having the highest raw average bitrate of my Blu-ray collection (I got it with the drive)

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justinh:

no, it's a tech show :-)

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iamlindoro:

(MPEG-2 on the disc, though, so not the hardest to play)

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justinh:

I try to avoid anything with The Sandler in it

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iamlindoro:

heh

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justinh:

hmm according to a different place it *is* on at that time

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justinh:

& radiotimes.com was showing it on a different channel at 4.30am

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justinh:

best time to catch it cos the bbc news channel is always bumping it for 'breaking'

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justinh:

I could always watch it on the iPlayer of course.. but for the darn *tearing*

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justinh:

or the cable iPlayer.. which is nice except if you're trying to find something obscure like that show. pfff

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: So... if I'm wanting to cap cable... what does that mean for me, as far as tunder cards?

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TheMaverick`:

s/tunder/tuner

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wagnerrp:

what do you want to capture?

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: I'm not quite sure I understand your question

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TheMaverick`:

I'd like to be able to capture cable TV stations, and stream over the network or record for later

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wagnerrp:

then you may want an NTSC tuner, or you may want a QAM tuner, or you may want a plain baseband capture card

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TheMaverick`:

Is ATSC just for OTA?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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TheMaverick`:

Ohhhh.... ok

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TheMaverick`:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

cable uses a similar spec

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wagnerrp:

but instead of the 8VSB modulation that ATSC uses

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TheMaverick`:

Will I need to have a box from the cable company way for cable cap?

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wagnerrp:

cable uses QAM256 (and somewhat rarely QAM64)

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wagnerrp:

that depends, are the channels encrypted?

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: how would I find out?

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wagnerrp:

likely yes for most of them

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wagnerrp:

http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels

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TheMaverick`:

ty, i'll look

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wagnerrp:

also see http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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TheMaverick`:

QAM256

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wagnerrp:

any channel that shows up in that list will be unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

and capable of capture by a QAM capable tuner (such as their hdhomerun)

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wagnerrp:

anything you dont see there will require a cable box

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wagnerrp:

either for capture through firewire, or more likely analog capture through an mpeg encoder

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TheMaverick`:

ok

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TheMaverick`:

this might be outside of your knowledge (or provider-specific), but if I have a cable box from a previous tenant, would I be able to just hook it up and get stations? My guess is probably not.

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TheMaverick`:

get encrypted stations*

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wagnerrp:

if you have a cable box from a previous tenant, the cable company probably wants that back

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TheMaverick`:

hmm...

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wagnerrp:

its very rare that individual users own those things

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TheMaverick`:

i suppose they just never returned it...

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wagnerrp:

and would the previous occupant have actually owned it, they certainly would have taken it with them

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wagnerrp:

those things are not cheap

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TheMaverick`:

yea

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wagnerrp:

regardless, if they are no longer paying the cable bill, the authentication on that cablecard is now invalid, and the box incapable of receiving encrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

assuming the cable company has not yet gotten around to shutting off the cable at the pole

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iamlindoro:

There's also a more than fair chance that the cable company now considers that box stolen property, which makes it a hot potato indeed

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iamlindoro:

(meaning the best thing to do is call the number on the sticker on the box and say, "My tenant left this, can you guys come pick it up")

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: the cable line is still active (standard cable is included with rent)

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: Well... I could always be adventurous and find out another way :P

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wagnerrp:

another way to what?

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: I was joking about hooking the box up and having the cable company hunt me down

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: so, you think this box is a no-go, even if the line is active?

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wagnerrp:

absolutely

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iamlindoro:

If the biIl is not being paid, then it will not function. Cable cards are revoked immediately when the account becomes invalid

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TheMaverick`:

Oh wait... so the cablecard box is for the so-called "digital cable" packages?

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iamlindoro:

The cable card is the authentication mechanism for anything beyond that which is broadcast in the clear

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: ok... so the encrypted channels are there because it is a premium service

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TheMaverick`:

I didn't understand that

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iamlindoro:

correct

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TheMaverick`:

Ok, we're on the same page now

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iamlindoro:

so when the service is invalidated through cancellation or non-payment, the BMS in the headend revokes the keys related to that cablecard

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TheMaverick`:

I assume some people have found ways around this, via "discovered" cablecard keys?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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TheMaverick`:

unique keys?

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iamlindoro:

It's not a static database, so there's nothing to discover

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iamlindoro:

A cablecard is issued a generated token on a regular, rolling basis by the management system in the headend-- on the order of every several minutes

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iamlindoro:

so even if you could somehow insert a token onto the card, which you can't, which was somehow valid on that system, it would become invalid in a matter of minutes and you'd be back at square one

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wagnerrp:

its not something you can 'work around'

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wagnerrp:

and neither is discussion of such allowed in here

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iamlindoro:

and that

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wagnerrp:

if you want those digital cable channels, you simply need to subscribe to them

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wagnerrp:

end of story

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squidly:

hmm.. this is odd.. My system was sitting idle today and I saw the ram usage keep going up and up. I'm using mythbuntu 10.10 and The only thing I see that is eating up the ram is libvdpau...I'm running nvidia drivers 260.19.06. Any thoughts? This started happening when my system updated to 0.24

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: I wasn't about to ask how to get around it (I know it looked like that's where I was going)

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squidly:

I though adding a 2nd gig of ram would be enough but it's not.. it just eating the memory. I just rebooted it and it's starting to eat the ram already

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wagnerrp:

squidly: why do you say its that library specifically eating memory?

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro, wagnerrp: Can TVs with integrated tuners be authenticated with cablecard? I notice only 15 channels "in the open" where I am... but our TVs pick up many more than that, without a box.

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wagnerrp:

there are a handful of cablecard ready TVs available

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wagnerrp:

but they are far and few between, and expensive when you find them

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TheMaverick`:

So it's not a normal thing

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iamlindoro:

TheMaverick`: If your television is picking up more channels than a digital tuner, then your TV is also likely using an analog tuner

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iamlindoro:

Many cable companies still broadcast their basic analog lineup in analog for legacy televisions

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iamlindoro:

er basic cable lineup in analog, that is

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: oh...

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TheMaverick`:

Ok... yea, that nailed it on the head then

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TheMaverick`:

it's analog

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** TheMaverick` somehow forgot that the all-digital stuff was OTA **

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wagnerrp:

OTA is not all digital

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wagnerrp:

just mostly

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TheMaverick`:

O.o

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squidly:

wagnerrp: i had a command but my reboot lost it..

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wagnerrp:

there are still low power analog stations

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TheMaverick`:

oh... yea... ok

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wagnerrp:

but... likely not anything you would care to record

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iamlindoro:

scopeuk: You could try using an attenuator, but how much attentuation you would need would be anyone's guess

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TheMaverick`:

So... I should be looking for an analog tuner if I plan to cap cable? Since a digital tuner won't be able to function with cablecard?

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wagnerrp:

TheMaverick`: chances are that your analog cable is not long for this world

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iamlindoro:

Scopeuk: Very surprising in an aerial situation to have too much signal, it's almost certainly a matter of too much amplification instead

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wagnerrp:

its likely only going to be a year or two before they phase it out, if that much

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Scopeuk:

iamlindoro, I should have a 5mhz to 1ghz cable attenuator around here somewhere I'll dig it out in a bit, annoyingly its a cumnal arial system and i think they've bootest it too far

[19:52:25]

iamlindoro:

ie, if you live in a multi-family dwelling, some nimrod may have set it up to be overamped

[19:52:30]

Scopeuk:

iamlindoro, i agree with the sentiment

[19:52:31]

wagnerrp:

however it would be prudent to get an analog tuner for the purposes of recording off a STB

[19:52:55]

Scopeuk:

iamlindoro, 100% sig strength snr or 1.7 db on antenna straight in

[19:53:07]

iamlindoro:

Scopeuk: Hopefully they haven't blatted out the signal quality with amplification

[19:53:18]

iamlindoro:

(that's signal quality as opposed to strength)

[19:54:00]

TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: Yea, that's what I was thinking. And I'm sure there will be converters for digital cable to analog tuner once it all switches.

[19:54:27]

TheMaverick`:

Or... I'll just buy a digi tuner at that point, I suppose.

[19:55:02]

wagnerrp:

for analog, best option would be to pick up an old PVR-150 or -500 off ebay

[19:55:25]

wagnerrp:

or, if you want something newer, an HVR-1600 or -2250

[19:55:26]

TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: thanks, I'll have a look ;)

[19:55:55]

squidly:

wagnerrp: i was looking at it though pmap

[19:56:41]

squidly:

wait.. wrong line.. the library is listed as [ anon ] ...

[19:59:51]

Scopeuk:

iamlindoro, ber seams pretty good on what i am getting

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: I take it the PVR-150 is a single tuner and the PVR-500 is a dual?

[20:04:30]

Scopeuk:

the really annoying thing is I'm only down 1 mux but its itv and chan 4

[20:07:46]

wagnerrp:

TheMaverick`, correct

[20:11:19]

TheMaverick`:

EEGAD! The HVR-2250 is esssspensive (comparatively) O.O

[20:16:50]

TheMaverick`:

I'll have to look through my box of electronics nd dig out my two analog tuners and see if any Linux development has been done since I last checked

[20:17:02]

TheMaverick`:

s/nd/and

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xilet:

TheMaverick`: I got a 2250 a few months ago from buy.com for like 90$ on a sale, I don't know if they are still running them

[20:20:16]

TheMaverick`:

xilet: I'll definitely check that out.... lowest auction on eBay is $85 + $10 shipping, or $126 Buy-It-Now :-S

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xilet:

Yeah, amazon had some oem ones as well for 100ish a while ago, I would generally trust them over ebay :)

[20:24:45]

TheMaverick`:

Wel... yea lol

[20:24:50]

TheMaverick`:

s/Wel/Well

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xilet:

I will say it has worked really well with analog so far other then a problem with cartoon network which I am not sure if it is the tuner or if comcast changed something just as I swapped cards

[20:25:21]

TheMaverick`:

Hmm

[20:25:31]

TheMaverick`:

We have COX here in Gainesville, FL

[20:25:58]

TheMaverick`:

Haven't been impressed with them

[20:26:01]

** TheMaverick` rolls eyes **

[20:26:35]

xilet:

They are both pretty bad

[20:26:42]

TheMaverick`:

They won't allow us to run on port 80, 25, etc. :-S

[20:26:56]

TheMaverick`:

for internet

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xilet:

Yeah, do they still block 25 outbound to *any* server?

[20:27:26]

TheMaverick`:

Umm... I dunno...

[20:28:07]

TheMaverick`:

I just know that 80 is blocked inbound, and their TOS shows 25 as being blocked (don't remember if it was both ways or not)

[20:29:04]

xilet:

It kills me when I visit my folks I can't use my work email server without going through a port adjusting proxy

[20:29:11]

TheMaverick`:

lol

[20:29:45]

TheMaverick`:

Yea... I used to have my web server hosted at my dad's place in CFL, since Bright House allows EVERYTHING! :D

[20:29:48]

xilet:

which I do understand at the number of spam zombie systems they have had to deal with, but at least allow outside connections

[20:29:52]

TheMaverick`:

But... he made me take it away

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xilet:

Aww

[20:30:12]

xilet:

Comcast has been pretty good about running servers (granted it is against their TOS but they don't really seem to care)

[20:30:22]

TheMaverick`:

something about it being a fire safety issue lol

[20:31:35]

xilet:

Heh, is it a frankenserver?

[20:31:35]

TheMaverick`:

yea... I run a server out of my apartment up here... hosts torrents (legal Arch Linux distros), performs downloads for me, keeps me on IRC, hosts a Minecraft server, etc.

[20:32:21]

TheMaverick`:

xilet: naw, that one was a dinky Dell Optiplex GX1 (Pentium III @500MHz)

[20:32:22]

xilet:

Heh yeah, I have my myth/minecraft/irssi shell/vmware server sitting in my basement

[20:33:17]

TheMaverick`:

my current server is a marginally better Optiplex GX620 (P4-HT@3.2GHz, 2GB RAM)

[20:33:36]

TheMaverick`:

Hyper-Threading is nice :P

[20:33:55]

xilet:

hee

[20:34:03]

TheMaverick`:

And... to bring this discussion back on-topic... I'm interested in using it for PVR with MythTV :P

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** TheMaverick` waves at the channel ops :D **

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xilet:

TheMaverick`: just did a slickdeals search, best 2250 deal i see right now is 120: http://www.jr.com/hauppauge/pe/HAU_1213/?JRSo . . . 2oPrxtxRbyJQ

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TheMaverick`:

:-S

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wagnerrp:

hyperthreading is terrible

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: I know it's fake "dual-core," but is it really that bad?

[20:36:45]

wagnerrp:

even now, it only helps on some workloads

[20:37:03]

wagnerrp:

and on processors with weak instruction dispatchers like the Atoms and P4s, it hurts more than it helps

[20:37:45]

TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: So... it'd be better to turn it off?

[20:37:47]

xilet:

TheMaverick`: it depends on the type of workload, if it is the sort of thing where the process is multhreaded and will span it out evenly it works pretty well, but when it is the sort of thing that pegs one cpu then moves to the next HT won't buy you anything

[20:37:53]

jams:

turn off hyperthreading

[20:38:28]

jams:

i agree with you wagnerrp, hyperthreading only looks good on paper

[20:38:36]

wagnerrp:

the reason they abandoned it for so long, only recently bringing it back in the i7s, is because of the vast improvements in the dispatcher

[20:39:12]

wagnerrp:

the robustness of that hardware is what is going to make or break AMD's bulldozer in a few months

[20:40:14]

TheMaverick`:

hmm

[20:40:39]

TheMaverick`:

I'll change to non-HT once I get home :P

[20:41:03]

TheMaverick`:

I've accomplished a lot of learning today...

[20:41:48]

wagnerrp:

better to spend $150 and replace the guts

[20:42:25]

TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: You are entirely too vague... you know that? lol

[20:42:25]

wagnerrp:

particularly if its a machine you leave on all the time

[20:42:39]

TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: yea, it's on 24/7/365

[20:42:49]

TheMaverick`:

I know the P4 is power-hungry

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xilet:

TheMaverick`: not sure if it is in your budget or of interest, but microcenter is running some really nice deals on bundled AMD chips and motherboards.

[20:43:34]

xilet:

(100$ for 840 x4 with motherboard)

[20:43:55]

TheMaverick`:

xilet: I've been out of the hardware scene for a long time :P

[20:44:28]

xilet:

TheMaverick`: not at the top of what is out there, but certinly powerful quad core

[20:46:03]

TheMaverick`:

Working in IT, you'd think I'd be all over the latest and greatest... but, as I've found out, we're too focused on keeping our current stuff running (old Optiplex 755 machines are the most common models in the workplace)

[20:46:12]

TheMaverick`:

in my workplace*

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wagnerrp:

presumably you put those in standby after work hours?

[20:47:15]

TheMaverick`:

My primary office computer is a Dell Latitude c400 (Pentium III @1.2GHz)

[20:47:50]

wagnerrp:

the P3s werent bad, not much power these days, but theyll be comparable power consumption to the current crop of systems

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: most of the users don't follow most of our instructions, so the answer for the majority of the systems is "no"

[20:48:43]

wagnerrp:

well if you can enforce it with group policies, great

[20:49:04]

wagnerrp:

if not, you would recover the cost of modern systems in 2–3 years from the power consumption of those old P4s

[20:49:04]

xilet:

TheMaverick`: the thing is with IT folks we are less likely to get crap on our systems or run unnessecery stuff which tends to be the main motivator (or e-penis size) to upgrade

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: sadly, another department above us handles policies

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TheMaverick`:

xilet: my laptop runs MUCH faster than my office desktop

[20:51:43]

TheMaverick`:

I use extremely light software when I can

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TheMaverick`:

And I also use a majority of FOSS

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TheMaverick`:

Except for the OS being Windows

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mzb:

I've found using an SSD drive for / has solved ALL the problems on my MBE+FE

[21:07:14]

mzb:

it's feels like an appliance to use now, rather than a computer

[21:07:39]

mzb:

60GB OCZ Vertex2 fwiw

[21:07:44]

xilet:

Nice

[21:08:05]

xilet:

I got a 32g generic one from microcenter (holy crap they are getting cheap now) as the base drive and am loving it

[21:08:12]

mzb:

285MB/s read, 275MB/z write, 250MB/s sustained, 0.1ms MAX seek

[21:08:41]

xilet:

nice!

[21:08:47]

mzb:

I made two identical file systems on normal hd, and sdd

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mzb:

doing : time find / | wc -l

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mzb:

hd = ~ 35 seconds

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mzb:

ssd = 0.7 seconds !!!

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xilet:

nice

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mzb:

+ now the MBE boots in SIXTEEN seconds (usb devices slow + raid fault) rather than 3–5 minutes!

[21:10:30]

xilet:

IBM loaned us a blade server to do some benchmarking, it had a 15k sas set of disks and a ssd set, the seq reads were actually very close in speed, but the random access was 10–20x faster on the ssd

[21:10:51]

mzb:

the 60GB SSD drives were something like $124 + post

[21:11:11]

xilet:

not bad, i did 40$ for mine but it is also a referb

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mzb:

it is a little tricky to get the sector thing right ... but it's worth the effort (otherwise drive will be half speed)

[21:12:27]

xilet:

Hrmm, i left it at default, I may need to check that

[21:13:03]

mzb:

it ends up reading/writing things twice (internally) if you get it wrong

[21:13:11]

mzb:

(or something like that)

[21:13:21]

mzb:

you can def. see the effect

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xilet:

hrmm...

[21:14:13]

xilet:

know offhand what you ended up setting your's at?

[21:14:24]

mzb:

errrm

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mzb:

can't find my notes + calculations atm

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xilet:

no worries, I will google it later

[21:17:44]

mzb:

fdisk -ul /dev/sda

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mzb:

255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7297 cylinders, total 117231408 sectors

[21:18:18]

mzb:

Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes

[21:18:28]

mzb:

/dev/sda1 * 2048 526335 262144 83 Linux

[21:18:37]

mzb:

/dev/sda2 526336 117231407 58352536 83 Linux

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mzb:

boot + LVM

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mzb:

hmm ... should have been 8e

[21:18:55]

mzb:

nm

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mzb:

if you don't use lvm I'd imagine multiple partitions to be a bit complicated to calculate

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xilet:

*nods*

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mzb:

so that's 256MB boot with 2048 alignment, and remainder for lvm (also aligned)

[21:22:26]

mzb:

I seem to remember the magic number '55' being involved somewhere, but don't quote me on that ;)

[21:22:29]

mzb:

bbl

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xilet:

ok, thanks!

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justinh:

blimey Scopeuk came back

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justinh:

blast from the past!

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mzb:

ps: SSD gives WAF^2 ;)

[21:52:28]

mzb:

(because of the 'appliance'-effect)

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justinh:

I thought husbands were the vehicles for delivering WAF

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mzb:

ie: I can now hold 'right arrow' while she says 'Yeah, I've tried that but you can never tell how far' (ie: 5–8secs) and it's skipped 1.5hrs at 30secs per jump!

[21:53:47]

Beirdo:

justinh: you still have that joggler, BTW?

[21:54:01]

justinh:

Beirdo: that's the 3rd time I've been asked that today

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mzb:

justinh, s/gives/allows $HUSBAND to provide/

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:54:11]

justinh:

no, I got rid of it :)

[21:54:21]

Beirdo:

awww, it would make a mighty fun toy

[21:54:34]

justinh:

realised pretty quick I was never gonna get time to play with it

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mzb:

try a witstech a81e ;)

[21:54:50]

Beirdo:

ahh, yeah, you have other priorities for playing

[21:55:02]

mzb:

hmm

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justinh:

aye. little man has taken to blowing raspberries on any smooth surface of late. it's funny as anything

[21:55:53]

mzb:

can't bend over any more in public, then? ;)

[21:55:55]

Beirdo:

heheh

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justinh:

must like the noise he makes or something, but when he does it on your face.. ooo boy

[21:56:19]

justinh:

had me in tears laughing the other day, bless him

[21:56:25]

mzb:

:)

[21:56:36]

Beirdo:

that's just cool

[21:56:59]

Beirdo:

right now, I'm looking at how to put emdebian onto my ARM9 board (mini2440)

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justinh:

Beirdo: anyhow, for what those joggler efforts are changing hands for you can pick up an almost-as-crippled Android tablet

[21:57:29]

mzb:

#2 (18mo) has recently learned how to use the wiimote to control her Pocoyo shows on the mythbox

[21:57:30]

Beirdo:

so I guess I have enough toys for the moment

[21:58:03]

Beirdo:

yeah, the mini2440 with a 3.5" touchscreen LCD should do for the front of the kegerator

[21:58:08]

justinh:

Beirdo: plenty of funky looking tabletry on DX too

[21:58:17]

Beirdo:

aye

[21:58:27]

Beirdo:

I like having toys :)

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justinh:

gah. I NEED gig ethernet in the house

[21:58:45]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:58:55]

justinh:

that's it. trying to sync over 3000 12MP photos to the linux box & back...

[21:59:14]

justinh:

or maybe I just need an nfs client for windows lol

[21:59:19]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:59:30]

justinh:

either or would get me about a 10x speed improvement

[21:59:35]

Beirdo:

or to put windows at the bottom of the Channel

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justinh:

mzb: I can't remember what a wii remote looks like. does it make a good remote then?

[22:00:19]

Beirdo:

preferrably as launched from a trebuchet

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justinh:

we've got 2 wiimotes here somewhere..

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justinh:

and a wii.. another useless frickin gadget

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mzb:

it's excellent ... bluetooth totally makes it

[22:01:01]

mzb:

I don't have a wii ... bought the mote 2nd hand and a single charger

[22:01:02]

Beirdo:

more ammo for the trebuchet :)

[22:01:14]

mzb:

replaced batteries with 2200mHa AA's

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mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . etv_full.jpg

[22:02:37]

mzb:

^^ pic of it on the mantle there

[22:03:13]

mzb:

and wiimote in action: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . MVI_1243.avi

[22:05:15]

justinh:

heh

[22:05:22]

justinh:

not my cup of tea but hey

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mzb:

floats my boat ;)

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justinh:

if I wanted pointy remotes you wave around I'd be living in the year 2040 :P

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NewBuntu81:

Is there a common configuration change needed to make Mythtv work? Every time I press ESC, the frontend freezes. This is on all 3 boxes--2 with Fedora and Mythtv, 1 as Mythbuntu. I've tried changing from CPU+ to Normal, that took out the blue line at the top but it still freezes Mythtv when I hit ESC.

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NewBuntu81:

So basically, I can watch one show...then when it ends and I hit ESC to go back I have to manually kill the mythfrontend process.

[22:10:49]

NewBuntu81:

All PC's are Dell Optiplex with two 2.8 Ghz P4 processors, and 2 gig ram.

[22:11:12]

justinh:

hint – it's not that you haven't unchecked the "hang mythfrontend when esc is pressed" option ;-)

[22:12:12]

justinh:

that shouldn't be happening

[22:12:17]

justinh:

surprise!

[22:12:46]

justinh:

no matter what the config settings, exiting video playback should *not* be hanging the frontend

[22:12:49]

NewBuntu81:

Fedora 14 with kernel 2.6.35.11–83.fc14.i686, and Mythbuntu 10.10 running 2.6.35 generic kernel

[22:13:26]

justinh:

please don't use /msg without asking first

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NewBuntu81:

oh sorry

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NewBuntu81:

I thought it just highlighted that someone was talking to you, and not popped up a private box?

[22:14:18]

justinh:

depends which client you use to IRC

[22:14:24]

NewBuntu81:

or is that /pvt that highlights it, and /msg opens the box?

[22:14:44]

NewBuntu81:

xchat

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justinh:

dunno. never used it. likely never will. irssi ftw!

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justinh:

anyhoo, you could likely do with seeing some log from mythfrontend to find out wth is going on

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justinh:

run mythfrontend with -v playback & then try to make it hang by exiting playback as usual. look in the terminal & see where it stops, or use mythfrontend -v playback -l $THELOGFILE then put the contents of $THELOGFILE into a pastebin for us to have a looksy

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NewBuntu81:

Hmm, the Mythbuntu box has logging on by default. The Fedora installation only has backend logging activated.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: were those channels they were discussion encrypted and not legally recordable digitally?

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Izarie:

Hi

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Izarie:

Do you know what the problem could be if I get "Error opening jump program file" on my second front end

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Yes, they're SKY channels

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NewBuntu81:

was the audio device

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NewBuntu81:

now i have one happy mythbuntu box. now for the fedora ones :-)

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Izarie:

Will try tomorrow to correct it... no time tonight

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Izarie:

++

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stoth:

hey folks. So I have a clean ubuntu 10.10 install and I'm compiling mythtv tip from scratch, I want to make a couple of patches for a product I'm working in. Everything is OK except datadirect.cpp (actually anything that interacts with schedules direct) is creating a problem. The downloaded files for mythfilldatabase and uncompress xml, but datadirect.cpp wants to uncompress (and fails).

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stoth:

The decision of whether to decompress is based inside a compiler directive for USING_MINGW (ifndef USING_MINGW (decompress).

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stoth:

Known bug?

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stoth:

or maybe the behaviour of wget on 10.10 decompresses by default and is breaking assumptions?

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stoth:

I saw this on fc14 and 10.10, I thought it was FC14 at first.

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wagnerrp:

i thought master decompressed externally with wget/unzip

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wagnerrp:

today is world backup day?

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Beirdo:

have I mentioned how much I HATE Flash lately?

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iamlindoro:

They already had world disaster recovery week in Japan

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Beirdo:

trying to get a ticket for season opener off stubhub

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Beirdo:

there. one ticket to the Seattle Mariners season home opener next Friday

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NewBuntu81:

Hey stoth. Just wanted to say thanks for the hvr 2250 driver work! :-)

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Beirdo:

stoth: the wget in mingw had issues with accepting gzipped content, I think was the issue

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Beirdo:

but we do the gunzip externally at this point... be nice to get that using the DownloadManager sometime :)

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wagnerrp:

but that doesnt explain why you would be having issues on something that is definitely not MINGW

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Beirdo:

it should be working fine

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Beirdo:

it adds the gzip encoding accept based on mingw as well, so on linux, it should be coming in gzipped

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm gonna pack up and head home shortly

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