| Sunday, March 27th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:49] | Teligard: | btw, this appeaars to be a long term issue (since mythbuntu 8.10) |
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| [00:17:04] | Beirdo: | might be a good plan |
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| [01:04:57] | mycosys: | is it wiser to go straight form 0.22 to 0.24, or go thru 0.23 on the way? |
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| [01:07:33] | wagnerrp: | makes no difference |
| [01:07:40] | wagnerrp: | straight to 0.24 will be easier |
| [01:09:09] | mycosys: | sweet, not to figure out if karmic has 0.24 fixes lol |
| [01:09:24] | mycosys: | any nice gotchas? |
| [01:09:50] | wagnerrp: | not off hend |
| [01:09:54] | mycosys: | ty again for ur help dude |
| [01:10:17] | wagnerrp: | database upgrades are all one long chain |
| [01:10:40] | wagnerrp: | going from 0.22 to 0.23 to 0.24 would run the same exact commands as straight to 0.24 |
| [01:11:02] | wagnerrp: | there is just one command programmed to go from each schema to the next |
| [01:11:11] | wagnerrp: | all the way back around 200 schema versions |
| [01:11:16] | mycosys: | wow |
| [01:11:32] | mycosys: | so a chain of diffs effectively |
| [01:11:35] | wagnerrp: | so its pretty much identical upgrading all the way from 0.17 or so, when the system was put in place |
| [01:11:37] | mycosys: | rdiff for a database |
| [01:11:51] | wagnerrp: | bunch of mysql commands to move from one schema to the next |
| [01:12:09] | wagnerrp: | do you have a lot of stuff in mythvideo? |
| [01:12:23] | mycosys: | only half a gig or so |
| [01:12:44] | wagnerrp: | which means maybe a few dozen files at most? |
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| [01:13:10] | wagnerrp: | youll be fine |
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| [01:13:23] | wagnerrp: | somewhere between 0.22 and 0.23, mythvideo got file hashing |
| [01:13:33] | mycosys: | would say a fair bit more than a few dozen lol |
| [01:13:49] | wagnerrp: | so when that schema update is hit, all your files must be hashed |
| [01:13:58] | wagnerrp: | only have a gig though? |
| [01:14:02] | wagnerrp: | you mean half a TB? |
| [01:15:10] | mycosys: | oh, yeah lol – just got up – havent finished 1st coffe, was up til 4 |
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| [01:16:24] | mycosys: | hence being in planning phase again |
| [01:18:08] | mycosys: | what is the gotcha with a lot in mythvideo? |
| [01:18:38] | mycosys: | (reason i was up til 4 was upgrading to karmic btw, not partying more's the pity) |
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| [01:37:24] | mycosys: | wagnerrp |
| [01:37:27] | mycosys: | ? |
| [01:37:51] | wagnerrp: | mycosys |
| [01:38:12] | mycosys: | was wondering about why the question about the size of mythvideo? |
| [01:38:26] | wagnerrp: | i told you, it has to hash all the content |
| [01:39:55] | mycosys: | ohhhh |
| [01:40:12] | mycosys: | wouldnt thta jus be a time issue? |
| [01:40:33] | wagnerrp: | specifically, the hash is based on the first and last 64KB, and file size |
| [01:40:48] | wagnerrp: | so the total size doesnt matter, so much as the file count |
| [01:41:06] | mycosys: | bout 150–200 iirc |
| [01:41:17] | mycosys: | actually prolly more |
| [01:41:42] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt take more than a minute, likely much less |
| [01:46:26] | mycosys: | sweet |
| [01:52:01] | Seeker`: | why does it take so long for mythtv to choose a title when starting a bluray? |
| [01:52:33] | wagnerrp: | how log does it take? |
| [01:52:44] | Seeker`: | up to a minute |
| [01:52:51] | Seeker`: | depending on the film |
| [01:52:59] | wagnerrp: | whats the low end? |
| [01:53:07] | Seeker`: | 20 seconds maybe |
| [01:53:40] | Seeker`: | its an unencrypted BDMV folder on a combined front/backend |
| [01:54:05] | wagnerrp: | well i know standalone players generally take tens of seconds between insertion of the disk, and entry into the menu |
| [01:54:42] | Seeker`: | I always assumed that was booting the Java OS and starting the decryption |
| [01:56:10] | Seeker`: | I guess it is just taking a while to look for the longest title. Sadly, the longest title isn't even necessarily the right one :( |
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| [01:58:02] | Seeker`: | I wonder how hard it would be to hash the first title it comes across and distribute a file containing the appropriate track for the main feature based on that hash |
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| [02:53:32] | mycosys: | ok – didnt get the option to go str8 to 0.24 |
| [02:53:48] | mycosys: | 0.23.1 atm – checkin if it works |
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| [02:59:54] | puff: | hi. I'm looking for advice on spec'ing out a media box. |
| [03:00:00] | vendion_: | Quick question is it possible to reset the key shortcuts in Myth back the the defaults? |
| [03:00:06] | puff: | I'm on comcast, I want HD, I have a comcast HD/DVR now and it really sucks (you wanna see blue, ask me about comcast...). I'm thinking of getting an extra converter box or two, so I can record/watch on multiple channels. |
| [03:00:13] | puff: | I'm ready to bite the bullet and spend a little money. Form factor is a major factor, I want something that'll be quiet (since the TV room doubles as a guest bedroom often) and lowish heat issues (since I'm kinda concerned about heat buildup for some reason). |
| [03:00:31] | puff: | Somebody recommended the HD Home Run, I'm looking for advice/opinions about that. |
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| [03:00:37] | wagnerrp: | puff: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [03:00:54] | puff: | My main goal is a DVR for the TV room, but I wouldn't mind being able to play shows on other computers around the house, etc. |
| [03:01:45] | puff: | wagnerrp: Thanks. |
| [03:05:22] | puff: | I'm generally figuring I'll have to take a tivo-ish approach, e.g. just plug the HDMI-out from the cable box into my mythbox (or whatever) and record the decoded video stream. |
| [03:05:32] | mycosys: | thx wagnerrp – this is going surprisingly painlessly |
| [03:05:43] | wagnerrp: | except... that isnt the tivo-ish approach |
| [03:05:49] | mycosys: | hdmi uses hdcp |
| [03:05:49] | wagnerrp: | tivos cannot record off HDMI |
| [03:06:25] | puff: | Oh... good point. |
| [03:06:33] | puff: | So can *anything* record off HDMI? |
| [03:06:41] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [03:06:52] | wagnerrp: | but only if theres no HDCP |
| [03:07:04] | wagnerrp: | and any consumer player is going go to output over HDMI encrypted |
| [03:07:19] | puff: | Joy. |
| [03:07:48] | wagnerrp: | so instead, you use component, and the HDPVR, as mentioned on that page |
| [03:14:16] | puff: | Hm,what's this about cable companies being required by law to provide firewire for HD subscribers? |
| [03:14:37] | wagnerrp: | cable companies are required by low to provide firewire for HD subscribers |
| [03:14:44] | wagnerrp: | s/low/law/ |
| [03:15:13] | puff: | So, since I have an HD box, the firewire port should (legally) be live? |
| [03:15:26] | puff: | What's the purpose of the law? |
| [03:15:27] | wagnerrp: | if not, you can call them up and get them to activate it |
| [03:15:40] | wagnerrp: | note that just having an active firewire port doesnt mean anything |
| [03:15:46] | wagnerrp: | you still may very well get nothing out of it |
| [03:15:58] | puff: | that is, is it required to have an active firewire port for control purposes, or is it required to *do* anything iwth that firewire port...? |
| [03:16:01] | wagnerrp: | they have to have it active, but there is no requirement that they have to provide unencrypted content through it |
| [03:16:08] | puff: | Fun. |
| [03:16:13] | wagnerrp: | its for DVRs that support firewire |
| [03:16:24] | puff: | I bet the cable companies laughed themselves silly when that law came out... :-( |
| [03:16:26] | wagnerrp: | however most devices that support firewire also support 5c handshaking |
| [03:16:48] | wagnerrp: | which is a DRM scheme that enforces copy protection on the receiving unit over firewire |
| [03:16:48] | puff: | So what keeps mythtv from supporting 5c? Is there some sort of cert needed? |
| [03:17:01] | wagnerrp: | since mythtv does not support 5c, it cannot perform the handshake |
| [03:17:13] | wagnerrp: | so it can only receive content marked as 'copy freely', and not needing the DRM |
| [03:17:30] | wagnerrp: | what prevents mythtv from support it is that its open source |
| [03:17:36] | wagnerrp: | no open source program can ever support DRM |
| [03:17:48] | puff: | ? |
| [03:17:59] | wagnerrp: | even should we want to get licensed to use it, and the licenser want to give us rights to use it |
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| [03:18:05] | wagnerrp: | its simply not technically feasible |
| [03:18:07] | puff: | Technically, that hsouldn't be true. Unless the DRM licensor... right. |
| [03:18:18] | wagnerrp: | no, technically, open source software cannot support DRM |
| [03:18:24] | puff: | Why not? |
| [03:18:34] | wagnerrp: | you do understand what DRM is, right? |
| [03:18:37] | puff: | I'm a developer, so now I'm just asking out of curiosity. |
| [03:18:38] | puff: | Yup. |
| [03:18:52] | wagnerrp: | its giving the user the content, but preventing them from accessing it |
| [03:19:13] | wagnerrp: | if the program is open source, there is nothing preventing the user from simply removing the locks, and accessing the content |
| [03:19:29] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, the keys to the content must be secured in a binary blob |
| [03:19:38] | puff: | Implementing DRM to provide access to encrypted content isn't contrary to fundamentals of open source. I can see the DRM provider not being happy about the DRM implementation being open source, but that's not a technical obstacle :-). |
| [03:19:45] | wagnerrp: | such that a user modifying and recompiling the code will result in a program incapable of decrypting the content |
| [03:19:55] | puff: | Right, it's the cert issue. Okay. |
| [03:19:57] | wagnerrp: | hence, open source software cannot support DRM |
| [03:20:22] | wagnerrp: | we can do conditional access systems just fine |
| [03:20:28] | wagnerrp: | but DRM, not a chance |
| [03:21:04] | puff: | I wonder if you could manufacture a 5c-to-unencrypted dongle... hm, no, I guess the whole idea is tha the device is display only. |
| [03:21:37] | wagnerrp: | right, any device that would talk 5c, and output unencrypted digital video |
| [03:21:48] | wagnerrp: | would be in breach of the license contract for support of 5c |
| [03:22:20] | puff: | So, what it seems to boil down to is, you can't do cable HD with a homebrew media box. |
| [03:22:28] | wagnerrp: | sure you can |
| [03:22:35] | puff: | ? |
| [03:22:35] | wagnerrp: | component capture using the HDPVR |
| [03:22:42] | wagnerrp: | as outlined on that page |
| [03:23:18] | puff: | "HPDVR" as a string doesn't occur on that page... still reading through it. |
| [03:23:56] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_ . . . nt_Recording |
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| [03:24:36] | jya: | wagnerrp: http://www.drmwatch.com/drmtech/article.php/3094761 |
| [03:25:19] | jya: | you also have OpenIPMP http://objectlab.com/clients/openipmp/index.htm |
| [03:25:42] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing preventing having an open source library |
| [03:25:58] | wagnerrp: | but you need to release the software as a binary blob |
| [03:26:01] | wagnerrp: | with the keys protected |
| [03:26:35] | jya: | how is this incompatible with opensource ? people use encrypted SSL content with opensource system all the time |
| [03:27:06] | wagnerrp: | SSL is just encryption, and even MD5 keys are nothing more than conditional access |
| [03:27:21] | wagnerrp: | still no DRM |
| [03:27:33] | jya: | google with their android store, also provide a full "opensource" drm API |
| [03:27:47] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can release the code open source |
| [03:27:57] | wagnerrp: | but anything implementing it must be released as a precompiled binary |
| [03:28:09] | wagnerrp: | the user cannot be allowed to recompile the code with the keys intact |
| [03:28:12] | jya: | that's just playing on semantics.. :) |
| [03:28:44] | wagnerrp: | well no, were we to start supporting such DRM, we would have to start making compiled builds |
| [03:28:51] | wagnerrp: | and releasing them for download and use |
| [03:29:10] | wagnerrp: | and the only way to be able to access DRM systems would be to use those stock compiled builds |
| [03:29:26] | wagnerrp: | or, users would have to license and use their own keys |
| [03:29:41] | wagnerrp: | thats what im saying |
| [03:29:47] | wagnerrp: | in order for DRM to work as intended |
| [03:29:55] | wagnerrp: | the keys must be kept away from the users |
| [03:30:07] | jya: | you can very well think of a system where you download encrypted content, you have to use a key to decode it as part of the "DRM" ; the whole decoder and drm lib are open source |
| [03:30:07] | wagnerrp: | and you cant do that with open source programs |
| [03:30:20] | jya: | but without the decoding key and appropriate rights you can't do anything |
| [03:30:21] | wagnerrp: | open source defined as a program compiled locally on the users' system |
| [03:30:27] | jya: | and? |
| [03:30:43] | wagnerrp: | but you cant have a locally compiled library and decoder either |
| [03:30:48] | jya: | the whole code can be open source, but the media streamed/downloaded is encrypted |
| [03:30:55] | wagnerrp: | you would need signed binaries |
| [03:31:06] | jya: | why would you need to sign the binaries? |
| [03:31:18] | jya: | if the drm is only used to access the content itself |
| [03:31:23] | jya: | we do this at work often |
| [03:31:29] | puff: | okay, so the haupage HD-PVR looks interesting... is this available now? |
| [03:31:30] | wagnerrp: | to prevent the user from recompiling those libraries to simply dump the raw stream to disk |
| [03:31:45] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you simply have a conditional access system |
| [03:31:52] | jya: | you would be dumping an encrypted stream on disk; not much of an issue |
| [03:31:57] | wagnerrp: | that has no intention of retaining control over the content after the user has received it |
| [03:32:27] | wagnerrp: | jya: the stream has to be decrypted before its used, correct? |
| [03:32:28] | puff: | jya: In a nutshell, there's no _technical_ reason why you can't do a DRM implementation as open source, but to actually *deploy* it, including certs, etc, it has to be closed source. |
| [03:32:30] | jya: | that's not correct. You have your keys, you have negociated access for that particular content, that content is encoded on the service side |
| [03:32:43] | jya: | puff: I don't even think that at all |
| [03:32:49] | wagnerrp: | what happens after you decrypt the content |
| [03:33:03] | wagnerrp: | if the user can insert their own code AFTER that point, how can you maintain security over it? |
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| [03:33:06] | jya: | once you have decrypted the content, then it is available |
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| [03:33:25] | wagnerrp: | and the whole point about DRM is that at no point is the content available |
| [03:33:39] | puff: | jya: To actually _use_ the implementation to enforce DRM, you'd have to a) bundle a digital key to decrypt, b) keep the content provider happy by preventing the user from messing with the DRM implementation. |
| [03:33:43] | wagnerrp: | it remains secure against the user at all times, from the time it is downloaded, until it is output by the graphics card |
| [03:33:44] | jya: | but you ignore the fact that 99% of the users of such system, do not even care so long as an extra step is taken to prevent people to freely access it |
| [03:33:51] | puff: | And b) would basically require doing not-open-source things. |
| [03:34:06] | jya: | Apple proved it wel: none of their music is DRMed anymore |
| [03:34:30] | jya: | so would a DRM be effective unless the decoded path is protected: no |
| [03:34:43] | wagnerrp: | ineffective, correct |
| [03:34:45] | puff: | wagnerrp: So, what do you think of the hauppage HD-PVR? |
| [03:35:00] | wagnerrp: | meaning the DRM solution in adobe flash is an ineffective one |
| [03:35:07] | jya: | but you can do DRM fully open source, sure you can.. In fact I've even seen system where encryption pretty much change every second. |
| [03:35:19] | wagnerrp: | if the user so wished, they could hook into the X server and pull the decoded, decrypted video frames out |
| [03:35:40] | wagnerrp: | the code base can be open source, but the program cannot be distributed as source |
| [03:35:41] | jya: | but still, to make it ineffective requires skills than most don't have, and they can't be bothered putting into use |
| [03:35:45] | wagnerrp: | it must be distributed as a compiled application |
| [03:35:51] | jya: | One thing in mind is this system: |
| [03:36:07] | wagnerrp: | most dont need the skills, only one person who releases a patch to the internet |
| [03:36:21] | ** wagnerrp will brb, shuffling laundry ** | |
| [03:37:03] | puff: | Hm, I'm confused about the hauppage HD-PVR... it's capturing high definition over component video? I'd been told that component video signal isn't high enough quality to match HD. |
| [03:37:14] | jya: | Yalla; it's a streaming system for north african countris |
| [03:37:50] | jya: | the only aim of DRM is that it can't be used as is on other systems |
| [03:38:11] | Guest17579: | Component cables have the bandwidth to can carry up to 1080p I believe |
| [03:38:20] | puff: | Ah, cool. |
| [03:38:31] | jya: | but the content is so cheap that it's just not worth it to bother hacking it. |
| [03:38:55] | jya: | Guest17579: it can do almost any resolutions, the issue is the monitor used. |
| [03:39:03] | puff: | So, in theory, if my HD cable box has component video out, and my HD tv has component video in, I should be able to watch full HD by connecting them with a component video cable? |
| [03:39:09] | jya: | I know my TV (Sony) do not let use component cable > 1080i |
| [03:39:26] | awalls: | http://engineers.ihs.com/document/abstract/FIVGDBAAAAAAAAAA |
| [03:39:28] | jya: | while my Panasonic projector car |
| [03:39:47] | Guest17579: | cool, I am sure a better build cable can have more bandwidth |
| [03:39:48] | awalls: | That's an abstract for a standard of HD over component |
| [03:40:26] | jya: | the limitation on resolution is more a political issue than a technical one |
| [03:41:35] | puff: | Okay, laptop battery is dying, much thanks for the advice and I will mull it over and come back for more. |
| [03:42:24] | Guest17579: | I have a hd-pvr I think they are fantastic, although sometimes buggy depending on the input signal |
| [03:50:06] | wagnerrp: | puff: the HDPVR has worked fine with linux and mythtv for about a year and a half now, seems the page just needs to be updated to indicate such |
| [03:50:48] | wagnerrp: | jya: the point im trying to make is just an issue of trust |
| [03:51:01] | wagnerrp: | something on the playback side must be trusted |
| [03:51:11] | wagnerrp: | with conditional access, the authenticated user is trusted |
| [03:51:19] | wagnerrp: | with DRM, the user is not trusted, only the program is trusted |
| [03:51:27] | wagnerrp: | and the trusted program them keeps the content from the user |
| [03:51:50] | wagnerrp: | if the untrusted user can modify the program, then the program itself can no longer be trusted, and the DRM implementation fails |
| [03:51:58] | wagnerrp: | you can have open source DRM implementations |
| [03:52:06] | wagnerrp: | but it cannot be distributed as such |
| [03:52:20] | wagnerrp: | it must be distributed as a binary, with no authorization for modification |
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| [04:06:37] | Guest17579: | After months I finally have hunted down the source of my channel changing problems, it looks when I upgraded from 0.23 to 0.24 the way the usb ir blasters channel change scripts changed. Say I have two recordings at 7:00. In 0.23 it would channel change STB 1, capture lock HD-PVR 1, channel change box STB 2, capture lock HD-PVR 2. It worked great. In myth 0.24 the system sends the two channel changes at the same time. Since I have only one USB IR b |
| [04:06:37] | Guest17579: | laster with two ports this causes obvious problems. Thanks to wagnerrp I have look at locking scripts, but will this work. Won't mythtv still try to run the script twice with the second attempt erroring out since it is locked? |
| [04:07:49] | wagnerrp: | Guest17579/sean: just design the script to loop until it has the lock |
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| [04:10:56] | Guest17579: | OK, awesome |
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| [04:11:54] | Guest17579: | there is no setting in mythtv to space these out a certain ammount |
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| [04:12:23] | wagnerrp: | no, i think it was just expected the changer script handle it |
| [04:12:27] | wagnerrp: | !seen jpoet |
| [04:12:27] | MythLogBot: | jpoet has not been seen here |
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| [04:14:42] | Guest17579: | Ok, awesome, when I am done figuring all this out I will upload my script, I suspect this will be a common issue once mythbuntu 11.04 comes out |
| [04:15:12] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to 10.10, which also has 0.24 available? |
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| [04:16:43] | Guest17579: | Well it was not by default, that is all i meant, |
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| [04:16:58] | Guest17579: | I use it on 10.10, my correction |
| [04:18:09] | Guest17579: | Do you recall if it is possible to use the blaster built into the hd-pvr boxes, that would fix my problem if I had seperate blasters |
| [04:18:18] | wagnerrp: | dont remember |
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| [04:20:05] | Guest17579: | thanks wagnerrp, I will keep you updated |
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| [04:48:31] | banksy: | Building a new mythbuntu machine (0.24 on 10.10) with an nvidia GT430 and a 42" Full HD TV. This is replacing my old FE/BE. All seems ok with 260.19.06 except the aspect ratio in myth was not quite right (TV reporting incorrect DPI), so I manually added the correct DPI option to xorg.conf. This fixed the aspect ratio in myth, but on the desktop (xfce) all fonts are tiny – just readable but not usable. Any idea why? |
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| [05:48:54] | Teligard: | well, reinstalled mythbuntu, and all appears to be in order except that I go to Watch TV, a screen comes up saying it's preparing, then, after about 1–2 minutes, it kicks me back to the main menu |
| [05:49:12] | Teligard: | Needless to say, this is not what I had expected. |
| [05:49:25] | wagnerrp: | failure to enter livetv generally indicates a failure to start recording |
| [05:49:29] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
| [05:49:58] | Teligard: | the backend server configuration don't make sense to me |
| [05:50:11] | Teligard: | I selected to make it frontend and master backend |
| [05:50:39] | wagnerrp: | there is no mythtv setting to 'make it frontend and master backend' |
| [05:50:46] | wagnerrp: | frontend and backend are completely independent |
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| [05:50:57] | Teligard: | and my understanding of master backend is that it should have it's assigned address in the ipfield of the master backend server |
| [05:51:05] | wagnerrp: | and the master is only differentiated from other backends by which IP is specified for the master backend |
| [05:51:14] | Teligard: | right |
| [05:51:48] | Teligard: | well, I put in the address I hae my dhcp server assigning to the pc, and mythtv states it can't connect to the server |
| [05:51:58] | Teligard: | (backend server, that is) |
| [05:52:16] | Teligard: | so that is not meeting what my expectations were |
| [05:52:34] | wagnerrp: | correct, all backends should have their local IP address set in mythtv-setup, run locally |
| [05:53:06] | wagnerrp: | the master backend ip should be set to the local address of the machine running as master |
| [05:53:28] | Teligard: | so it should be localhost or 127.0.0.1? |
| [05:53:28] | wagnerrp: | the master must be running, but the frontend will complain heavily if it cannot be contacted |
| [05:53:40] | Teligard: | or the lan IP of 192.168.1.218 |
| [05:53:42] | wagnerrp: | IP, not DNS |
| [05:53:57] | wagnerrp: | and 127.xxx is only usable if you only intend to use a single combo box |
| [05:54:07] | Teligard: | ok. |
| [05:54:11] | wagnerrp: | if you ever intend to connect networked machines, you cannot use 127... |
| [05:54:40] | Teligard: | There are two ipsettings in the config process: local backend and mast backend |
| [05:54:43] | Teligard: | master |
| [05:55:04] | wagnerrp: | local backend is the local address, used to configure the backend on that host |
| [05:55:19] | Teligard: | I have 127.0.0.1 set as my local backend, and *had* 192.168.1.218 set as my master backend |
| [05:55:22] | wagnerrp: | master backend is used to match up with the local addresses, to decide which one will operate as master |
| [05:55:39] | Teligard: | so how should I have it configured |
| [05:55:57] | wagnerrp: | at least one machine must have the same local and master address defined |
| [05:56:01] | Teligard: | I guess, at this point, I'm lost |
| [05:56:05] | wagnerrp: | that will operate as the master |
| [05:56:13] | Teligard: | ok |
| [05:57:29] | Teligard: | and both should be my lan address, or both should be 127., or both should be localhost? |
| [05:57:36] | Teligard: | for the master backend |
| [05:57:42] | wagnerrp: | both must be an IP |
| [05:57:51] | wagnerrp: | preferrably, both should be the lan IP |
| [05:57:55] | Teligard: | ok |
| [05:58:20] | Teligard: | let me go set that configuration, and I'll be back for guidence on the video issue |
| [05:59:06] | wagnerrp: | if you had one setting as the lan address, and one as the loopback |
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| [05:59:17] | wagnerrp: | the backend would operate as a slave, incorrectly looping back on itself |
| [05:59:28] | wagnerrp: | which may cause the issues you were seeing |
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| [06:14:53] | Teligard: | Well, this is what I have done: |
| [06:15:25] | Teligard: | I've updated the local backend and master backend to 192.168.1.218 (the ip assigned to the box) |
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| [06:16:46] | Teligard: | I went into the frontend, and updated the ip used to reference the database to 192.168.1.218, under the assumption that all three IP's should be the same, both backends, and the frontend should all refer tothe lan address |
| [06:17:01] | Teligard: | Is that a correct assumption? |
| [06:19:07] | Teligard: | If so, then there is something else wrong, as I am still getting the "Please Wait...", then I get kicked back to the menu |
| [06:19:15] | Teligard: | when clicking Watch TV |
| [06:19:28] | wagnerrp: | the database should be where ever the database is, the local backend ip should be whatever that local backend should listen on, and the master backend ip should be whatever machine should operate as the master |
| [06:20:54] | Teligard: | If they are all the same box, then they should all point to the same IP, correct? |
| [06:22:10] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [06:22:14] | Teligard: | ok |
| [06:22:25] | Teligard: | then I have the IP side of things configured correctly |
| [06:22:29] | Teligard: | which is good. |
| [06:23:40] | Teligard: | I'm going out to track down the logs now |
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| [06:26:25] | Teligard: | Sorry I'm in the need of so much handholding |
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| [06:40:40] | Teligard: | here is my backend log: http://pastebin.com/Ank75xwc |
| [06:41:08] | Teligard: | I put the entire log file in there |
| [06:42:13] | Teligard: | And here is my frontend log: http://pastebin.com/sRMv6CCK |
| [06:44:08] | Teligard: | I'm going to retire for the eve, but, if you have a free moment, could you look atthe logs and help me through this mess. |
| [06:44:33] | wagnerrp: | what tuner card do you have? |
| [06:44:43] | Teligard: | If so, I'll document it and try to help mitigate this for others in the fuure |
| [06:45:05] | Teligard: | it's a hauphauge 1600mce |
| [06:45:23] | wagnerrp: | then you should not be producing nuvs |
| [06:45:26] | wagnerrp: | you have it misconfigured |
| [06:45:36] | wagnerrp: | you configured it as a v4l framegrabber |
| [06:45:43] | wagnerrp: | you need to configure it as an ivtv mpeg encoder |
| [06:45:53] | Teligard: | ok |
| [06:45:59] | Teligard: | let me go do that |
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| [06:49:18] | Teligard: | ok, now atleast I get static on the screen |
| [06:49:24] | Teligard: | more than I had |
| [06:49:42] | Teligard: | Now to deal with that |
| [06:50:12] | Teligard: | Also, how do you change your input when "watching" lie tv? |
| [06:50:14] | Teligard: | live |
| [06:50:25] | wagnerrp: | there is a key bindings for that |
| [06:50:31] | wagnerrp: | as well as the 'm' menu |
| [06:50:38] | Teligard: | ok |
| [06:50:53] | Teligard: | Let me see if I'm getting any valid video from the svideo input |
| [06:52:15] | Teligard: | ok, I have valid video fro mthe svideo input :-) |
| [06:52:35] | Teligard: | Now I feel like the effort hasn't been in vain |
| [06:53:25] | Teligard: | I'll go see if I can set up lirc, which I hope will be somewhat easier than the rest of this |
| [06:53:46] | Teligard: | I REALLY do appreciate all of your patience and guidence wagnerrp |
| [06:53:51] | wagnerrp: | for receiving, its not bad |
| [06:54:00] | wagnerrp: | for transmitting to control a STB.... good luck |
| [06:54:05] | Teligard: | I know I've been a pita |
| [06:54:40] | Teligard: | I have the Windows Media Center remote and ir "blaster" |
| [06:54:50] | Teligard: | hopefully that will ease it a little bit |
| [06:55:29] | wagnerrp: | i know mythbuntu has some GUI set up for configuring LIRC |
| [06:55:35] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know if that includes blasters |
| [06:55:57] | wagnerrp: | there are also several lirc configs for the mceusb units on the mythtv wiki |
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| [07:10:59] | Teligard: | What's the name of the mythtv addon manager |
| [07:11:57] | Teligard: | (I don't seem to have any lirc config applications, and when I installed, was only given the option to select one side of the lirc stuff) |
| [07:16:39] | Teligard: | Also, another question: |
| [07:17:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv addon manager? |
| [07:17:42] | Teligard: | What you usse to install MythWeb, etc |
| [07:17:57] | wagnerrp: | 'make install' |
| [07:18:42] | Teligard: | no, it's a gui tool that allows you to install and configure different addons and allows for updates to settings and tweaks |
| [07:18:50] | Teligard: | I don't remember what it's called |
| [07:18:59] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu control center? |
| [07:20:22] | Teligard: | That's probably it |
| [07:20:38] | Teligard: | I need to install it, as it didn't appear to automatically install |
| [07:23:13] | Teligard: | I did have it installed, just missed it when I was going through the menus |
| [07:24:12] | Teligard: | It's wierd about using this card.... I can't get anything through the tuner side (which I would have thought would have been easier to configure), but the svideo, I get video w/o issue |
| [07:24:22] | Teligard: | now I have to figure out how to get the audio |
| [07:24:52] | Teligard: | I'm not sure if it's getting it or not because mythtv wont let me turn up the volume to listen |
| [07:25:13] | Teligard: | (I did install xbmc also, and audio works fine for it's navigation sounds) |
| [07:25:30] | wagnerrp: | is this mythbuntu? or mythtv on top of ubuntu? |
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| [07:32:40] | Teligard: | mythbuntu |
| [07:33:13] | Teligard: | I find xbmc easier to configure (shares, etc.) |
| [07:33:51] | wagnerrp: | setup is something that will hopefully be a lot easier to configure once the backend setup is moved to a web page |
| [07:34:02] | Teligard: | I have about 2TB of audio and video organized on a NAS, and xbmc is a sinch to set up |
| [07:34:34] | Teligard: | I'm sure that, once it's moved over, it will be easier |
| [07:34:40] | wagnerrp: | the audio interface is being slowly rewritten, and video setup is fairly simple in mythtv already |
| [07:34:49] | Teligard: | And MythTV certainly has the edge on live video |
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| [07:34:57] | wagnerrp: | define your shares in the Videos storage group in mythtv-setup |
| [07:35:22] | wagnerrp: | hit m->scan in mythfrontend->Media Library->Watch Videos |
| [07:35:26] | wagnerrp: | and... thats it |
| [07:35:46] | Teligard: | Does it support ISO's |
| [07:35:51] | wagnerrp: | and the advantage over xbmc, you do that once, no matter how many frontends you have |
| [07:35:57] | wagnerrp: | yes, but unencrypted only |
| [07:36:11] | Teligard: | That's the only kind I have. |
| [07:36:23] | wagnerrp: | meaning you have to use some tool that extracts them, decodes, them, and creates a new ISO |
| [07:36:25] | Teligard: | and supports DVD menus, etc. |
| [07:36:28] | wagnerrp: | no straight 'dd' |
| [07:36:33] | Teligard: | righ |
| [07:36:48] | Teligard: | I already decrypted the videos |
| [07:37:05] | Teligard: | I had to, as most 4 yo likes to run off with DVD's |
| [07:37:14] | Teligard: | and ruin them (or lose them) |
| [07:37:53] | Teligard: | So I can define a network share inside myhtv |
| [07:37:55] | Teligard: | mythtv |
| [07:38:00] | Teligard: | let me go try it |
| [07:38:03] | wagnerrp: | no, you can define a filesystem path |
| [07:38:14] | wagnerrp: | content must exist on the filesystem |
| [07:38:24] | wagnerrp: | for recordings and videos, they only need to exist on the backend |
| [07:38:37] | wagnerrp: | and the backend still stream it to any frontend requesting content |
| [07:38:59] | wagnerrp: | photos and music have not yet been migrated over to this system |
| [07:39:07] | wagnerrp: | hopefully for 0.25 or 0.26 |
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| [08:01:56] | Teligard: | ok,so I have to mount the network file system, then map the file system to say, the /mnt/media folder, then point mythtv there? |
| [08:03:28] | Teligard: | Well, I need to go to bed. It's 4:00AM here. I'll hit this again tomorrow |
| [08:03:53] | Teligard: | Hopefully get it all resolved tomorrow, and document it so I can reproduce everything |
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| [08:23:25] | Beirdo: | justinh: you around? |
| [08:26:57] | mycosys: | wagnerrp – mythbuntu control center does support ir blaster config graphically |
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| [08:33:18] | noaXess_kubuntu: | good morning |
| [08:33:34] | mycosys: | evening |
| [08:34:03] | noaXess_kubuntu: | here we needed to set the clock one hour from 200 to 300.. |
| [08:34:48] | noaXess_kubuntu: | normally for mythtv, that should make problems?.. but the tv-guide isn't updated.. have already run mythfilldatabase.. no chance.. |
| [08:35:17] | noaXess_kubuntu: | is there something i need to do? times on backend and frontend are correct.. backend restarted.. mythfilldatabase already run |
| [08:35:20] | mycosys: | i would think it would depend on the OS, not myth |
| [08:35:36] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: hm.. but os time is correct |
| [08:35:59] | mycosys: | :S |
| [08:36:23] | mycosys: | i cant help – but what region are you in – may help somebody else |
| [08:36:26] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: on a frontend, are there services that are running, even if frontend isn't started? |
| [08:36:35] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: switzerland |
| [08:36:37] | mycosys: | sounds like a grabber issue |
| [08:37:28] | mycosys: | of course there are sevices, tho i dont think any are myth specific |
| [08:37:44] | mycosys: | but tbh i dont know |
| [08:38:56] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: how do you call this.. set hour one hour back/front? .. daylight saving, right? |
| [08:39:09] | mycosys: | yep |
| [08:39:21] | mycosys: | may be a coincidence tho |
| [08:40:27] | mycosys: | just loading ff, gimme a min lol |
| [08:42:25] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: there is a local timezone setting for xmltv in mythtv-setup... it's on Auto.. |
| [08:46:21] | mycosys: | iirc is supposed to be – i rly dont know – i use shepherd not xmltv |
| [08:50:59] | mycosys: | noaxess_kubuntu are you using www.epgdata.com ? |
| [08:51:26] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: no... tv.search.ch |
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| [08:54:35] | mycosys: | has the site changed its layout? |
| [08:55:04] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: yeah.. but that was weeks ago.. there is a new grabber for the new site.. |
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| [09:05:00] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: i will try laters xmltv 0.5.59 |
| [09:09:02] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mycosys: no change :(. |
| [09:09:06] | noaXess_kubuntu: | hmm.... |
| [09:11:39] | noaXess_kubuntu: | someone else has a hint? daylight saving changes tonight, but tv listings are one hour off.. |
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| [09:21:05] | jarle: | noaXess_kubuntu: I'm pretty sure there is a argument for time difference either in the grabber, or in mythfilldatabase |
| [09:21:33] | noaXess_kubuntu: | jarle: shouldn't that be automatically? |
| [09:22:37] | noaXess_kubuntu: | there is --grab-options for mythfilldatabase have to check |
| [09:22:37] | jarle: | noaXess_kubuntu: don't think daylight saving is used oll over the world... |
| [09:22:57] | noaXess_kubuntu: | jarle: but i never had that problem before.. thats cracy.. |
| [09:23:08] | jarle: | noaXess_kubuntu: which grabber? |
| [09:23:47] | noaXess_kubuntu: | tv_grab_ch_search |
| [09:23:59] | noaXess_kubuntu: | have installed new xmltv 0.5.59 |
| [09:25:04] | noaXess_kubuntu: | where are the grabbers config file? is it that one with the channel list? |
| [09:25:15] | jarle: | noaXess_kubuntu: I only use dvb-s epg these days, haven't used xmltv for a while. I used to have script that ran the grabber with output to a file, and then ran mythfilldatabase on the created file.. |
| [09:25:21] | noaXess_kubuntu: | tv_grab_ch_search has a option --offset |
| [09:25:41] | jarle: | noaXess_kubuntu: seems to be the option you are looking for.. |
| [09:25:52] | trumee: | I am presently running mythtv on an dual cpu (AMD Athlon II X2 250 Processor) on a 32bit system. is it recommended to use a x64 OS? |
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| [09:27:04] | jarle: | trumee: depends if you ever gonna need mer that 4GB in the machine, otherwise you be good just to run 32bit |
| [09:27:12] | trumee: | The advantage of an x86 system is that i can use win32codecs package. |
| [09:27:23] | noaXess_kubuntu: | jarle: what offset i need, if listings show the program at 1255, abut it realy starts at 1155? |
| [09:27:24] | noaXess_kubuntu: | -1? |
| [09:27:38] | jarle: | trumee: should be "more than".. |
| [09:27:58] | trumee: | jarle: i dont think i will ever go above 4gb. The current plan is to use the same myth FE/BE box for Zoneminder |
| [09:28:16] | jarle: | noaXess_kubuntu: guess so, you'll just have to give it a try... |
| [09:28:33] | noaXess_kubuntu: | jarle: trying |
| [09:28:37] | trumee: | jarle: so x86 can see <=4gb? |
| [09:30:40] | jarle: | trumee: 32bit can only access 4GB memory, if you want to access more you need 64bit os |
| [09:30:53] | mycosys: | when did upgrading get so easy? going between point releases of redhat used to be the stuff of nightmares |
| [09:30:57] | jarle: | trumee: so yes... |
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| [09:31:58] | trumee: | jarle:thanks |
| [09:33:57] | noaXess_kubuntu: | jarle: nothing changed.. :( |
| [09:34:03] | noaXess_kubuntu: | still one hour off.. |
| [09:34:59] | noaXess_kubuntu: | how to check local timezone?.. ubuntu backend |
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| [10:09:04] | Guest17579: | does anyone know why mythtv will throw an error is you add a flock command to thr channel change script |
| [10:11:19] | Guest17579: | it works perfectly from the terminal, just when executed from mythtv |
| [10:12:27] | Guest17579: | the error is: |
| [10:13:45] | Guest17579: | /blah/blah/script.sh: 14: Syntax error: word unexpected |
| [10:14:48] | Guest17579: | humm, going to give up for the night |
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| [10:34:15] | captain-dj: | Hello. I have a problem with wackup from suspend with mythtv. MythTV sets the wrong time, can anyone help me ? |
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| [10:40:00] | captain-dj: | anyone see my question ? |
| [10:41:34] | mycosys: | may need to configure it to your motherboard, they differ |
| [10:42:38] | mycosys: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
| [10:42:46] | captain-dj: | wakeup works with the manual test i see here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
| [10:43:13] | captain-dj: | then i have make the script and the changes in mythtv like in the wiki |
| [10:43:42] | captain-dj: | but the time is wrong, it setz only +5min to the lokal time, not to the time to record |
| [10:44:22] | captain-dj: | but i have add the "time_t" to mythtv |
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| [10:47:47] | captain-dj: | all users cht private her or what ? Sorry, its th first time i use an irc chat :-( |
| [10:49:08] | mycosys: | nah – just ask and wait til some1 who can help sees |
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| [11:05:51] | mycosys: | 0.24fixes at last |
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| [11:56:39] | mycosys: | woot |
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| [14:41:49] | noaXess_kubuntu: | hey back :) |
| [14:43:12] | noaXess_kubuntu: | here in switzerland we have change in daylight saving.. now the tv listing is 1 hour off.. any idea?.. have already re-run mythfilldatabase, updated xmltv to 0.5.59.. using tv_grab_ch_search... |
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| [14:45:49] | noaXess_kubuntu: | installed version: 0.23.1+fixes26863–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2 |
| [14:58:24] | Seeker`: | iamlindoro: you say that title selection doesn't affect startup time, in my log I am seeing over a minute between "Found 196 relevant titles" and "Selected title: index..." |
| [14:58:37] | iamlindoro: | Seeker`, I wrote the code |
| [14:59:10] | iamlindoro: | including those log messages |
| [14:59:22] | iamlindoro: | which occur in a fraction of the startup time |
| [14:59:51] | Seeker`: | iamlindoro: which bit of code causes the delay between those two messages then? |
| [14:59:58] | iamlindoro: | The minute in between is while we wait for the library to fseek through all of the teensy tiny little files. |
| [15:00:26] | iamlindoro: | Which, when it occurs translated through our remotefile functions, is very very slow |
| [15:00:36] | iamlindoro: | As I explained in my response to your request |
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| [15:08:12] | Seeker`: | iamlindoro: is it the HDMV navigation stuff that causes the delay? Because I can't see any other calls to functions that retrieve information about the BD between getting the number of titles and entering the title selection code |
| [15:08:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | Seeker`, the opening of a BD isn't very efficient, it performs potentially hundreds of open/seek/read/close cycles. viewing those over a remote connection which is optimized for reading large files can be very slow. |
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| [15:14:31] | iamlindoro: | Seeker`, unless you've performed a very specific set of steps including setting an environment variable, and are running mster, you've not using HDMV navigation |
| [15:15:03] | iamlindoro: | And you are looking at the API-level calls (ie, the calls performed by myth), not the actual work being done, which occurs in the library |
| [15:15:39] | iamlindoro: | myth calls the API function, the work is done behind the scenes and the action is performed or requested information is returned |
| [15:16:17] | iamlindoro: | The opening and seeking of the many small files occurs on the library level, it is not manually done by the application |
| [15:21:35] | Seeker`: | iamlindoro: so does bd_get_titles (or another API call) kick off something in another thread? |
| [15:22:17] | iamlindoro: | not in another thread, no |
| [15:22:21] | iamlindoro: | in the same thread |
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| [15:24:06] | mortne: | Can anyone explain to me what a transport is? |
| [15:24:20] | wagnerrp: | could you give some more context? |
| [15:25:54] | mortne: | I''m in Denmark with a HDHomerun tuner and some channels don't come up during a scan. With the hdhomerun_config command I have scanned and found all multiplexes and channels, so I'm going to add a row to dtv_multiplex, but I don't know what the transport column means |
| [15:26:42] | mortne: | So I understand the channel and dtv_multiplex concepts, but I don't know what a transport is... |
| [15:29:59] | Seeker`: | iamlindoro: The only calls to API functions I am seeing between "Found X relevant titles" being printed and "Selected Title" is N calls to bd_get_title_info in the longest-title selection code, (Where N is the number of titles) one call to bd_free_title_info after the loop, one call to bd_free_title_info at the start of SwitchTitle and one call to bd_get_title_info. What am I missing that means something other than the loop to select the longest |
| [15:30:56] | iamlindoro: | Seeker`, the API functions are what is slow when translated over remotefil, not the title selection |
| [15:31:10] | iamlindoro: | anything prefixed with bd_ is a libbluray API function |
| [15:31:30] | iamlindoro: | if you would like to see the difference, mount the folder containing the BDMV locally and point mythavtest at it |
| [15:31:48] | iamlindoro: | mythavtest bd://path/to/a/folder/with/BDMV/in/it/ |
| [15:31:50] | Seeker`: | iamlindoro: this is running on a combined front/backend |
| [15:31:53] | iamlindoro: | it will play in seconds |
| [15:32:35] | iamlindoro: | doesn't matter |
| [15:32:39] | iamlindoro: | you're using storage groups |
| [15:33:39] | iamlindoro: | Seeker`, I'm sorry, but this is just the way it is-- we're not implementing a hardcoded title selection in metadata, and we're not parsing some external text file. We know exactly what the cause of startup slowness is and it's not the title selection decision making, which takes a fraction of a second |
| [15:34:04] | Seeker`: | iamlindoro: is there an ETA on menus working for BDMVs? |
| [15:34:43] | iamlindoro: | There are two types of menus in Bluray, HDMV and BD-J |
| [15:35:04] | iamlindoro: | HDMV menus work more or less properly in master, but are not activated by default |
| [15:35:38] | iamlindoro: | BD-J is more or less completely unimplemented, and you'd need to ask the libbluray people when they expect to have that done, but nobody has worked on it in a long, long time |
| [15:35:48] | iamlindoro: | Most modern Blu-ray menus are all BD-J |
| [15:36:34] | iamlindoro: | Meaning menus work fine in master when activated, for the small subset of discs with HDMV menus. BD-J will likely be a very long way off |
| [15:37:20] | iamlindoro: | When .25 is released, HDMV menu mode will function by default for supported discs. All other discs will fall back to traditional title selection mode |
| [15:38:14] | Seeker`: | Does the bd_get_title_info in the loop that selects the title have any other purpose than finding the right title? Or are the calls there purely for that purpose? |
| [15:39:12] | iamlindoro: | going out, have fun |
| [15:39:20] | Seeker`: | seeya |
| [15:40:43] | NewBuntu81: | Hi All. Has anyone with an HVR-2250 got the IR blaster to work? |
| [15:42:43] | Seeker`: | so there isn't any possibility of, say, storing the chosen title the first time the file is played, rather than having a needlessly slow BluRay start up time when the result will be the same every time you start the file, seeing as a load of effort has gone in to implementing storage groups, so I was assuming thats what you actually wanted people to use |
| [15:44:50] | wagnerrp: | yes, storage groups are the preferred method of defining video content |
| [15:45:28] | mortne: | Is there a better place to get to know the transport concept than here? |
| [15:45:35] | wagnerrp: | a solution to the above would come as an improvement to the file transfer code, not the mechanism you suggest |
| [15:46:19] | wagnerrp: | mortne: there are likely very few people in here who know enough to actually create new digital channel entries manually, and have them actually work |
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| [15:46:50] | wagnerrp: | i tried writing one for the output of a hdhomerun_config scan, and never got it to work properly |
| [15:47:06] | mortne: | wagnerrp: Do you know where I could ask instead? |
| [15:49:34] | mortne: | BTW: I have tried adding it through the backend setup channel editor, but I don't see how service ID and multiplex are interpreted from the input fields there.... |
| [16:08:49] | noaXess_kubuntu: | any hint, idea why my tv listing are 1 hour off? 1hour forward cange was last night.. backeend/frontend time are correct.. mythfilldtabase re-run done.. |
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| [16:09:44] | noaXess_kubuntu: | i use t_grb_ch_search |
| [16:09:59] | noaXess_kubuntu: | 0.23.1 installed |
| [16:10:15] | noaXess_kubuntu: | ups.. tv_grab_ch_search ;) |
| [16:10:27] | noaXess_kubuntu: | 0.5.59 xmltv version |
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| [16:19:26] | noaXess_kubuntu: | no ideas? |
| [16:25:36] | mortne: | noaXess_kubuntu: I just noticed there is an offset-setting for each channel... But I think rather it's your grabber that is off? |
| [16:27:34] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mortne: where to set that? |
| [16:27:51] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mythtv-setup / cahnnel editor? |
| [16:28:59] | mortne: | Yes, channels – select a channel – there's a field named 'DataDirect time offset'... |
| [16:29:22] | mortne: | Again, that is per channel, so that shouldn't be the solution if all guides are off... |
| [16:29:40] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mortne: i just check.. |
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| [16:31:05] | noaXess_kubuntu: | mortne: data direct time offset for the channels are set to 0/zero... |
| [16:31:23] | noaXess_kubuntu: | in mythtv-setup, general, local timezone is set to auto.. |
| [16:31:33] | noaXess_kubuntu: | so seems that mythtv settings are correct.. |
| [16:31:53] | noaXess_kubuntu: | maybe a bug in the tv_grab_ch_search?.. they have rewritten it in december 2010 i think |
| [16:36:15] | mortne: | Perhaps it doesn't handle time zones correctly.. However, see if it's correct tomorrow and react then if it is not... |
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| [16:39:05] | noaXess_netubu: | back... kids are watching.. so i needed to switch to my netb.. :) |
| [16:39:27] | noaXess_netubu: | mortne: any idea how to fix that time offset? |
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| [16:40:35] | mortne: | No, sorry. Not other than waiting for the next xmltv grab and see if that fixes it by itself |
| [16:41:09] | noaXess_netubu: | mortne: wait for next version? |
| [16:41:21] | noaXess_netubu: | maybe ask in xmltv mailinglist |
| [16:41:23] | mortne: | No, just for the next run... |
| [16:41:47] | mortne: | I assume you run it once a day- the grabber – right? |
| [16:41:52] | noaXess_netubu: | mortne: '??.. but that is mythfilldatabase.. it will start the graber, right? |
| [16:42:21] | mortne: | Depends on you setup.. If that's how you usually do it, yes... |
| [16:42:45] | noaXess_netubu: | mortne: yes.. |
| [16:44:03] | mortne: | Try filling again, then and see if it's still off |
| [16:45:24] | noaXess_netubu: | mortne: have done that more then once.. |
| [16:45:36] | noaXess_netubu: | w/o success |
| [16:46:19] | noaXess_netubu: | is there a way to reset tv-listings.. even delete all entries and strat from scratch? |
| [16:46:33] | mortne: | I don't know |
| [16:46:36] | mortne: | sry |
| [16:46:57] | mortne: | Try the xmltv channel and see if there is more life in there... |
| [16:49:15] | jarle: | noaXess_kubuntu: you could change your video sources so that the grabber is *not* run from mythtv, but manually by yourself (like I talked about earlier today) that would give you more control... |
| [16:50:17] | jarle: | noaXess_kubuntu: just do not set up any grabbers in the input source settings.. |
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| [17:00:54] | noaXess_netubu: | jarle: hm.. sorry.. but don't get the idea how it should thenwork, that the tv listings are written into the database.. |
| [17:02:38] | noaXess_netubu: | if i don't setup a grabber in input sources.. how can i get the data into the mythconverg db? |
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| [17:07:58] | noaXess_netubu: | mortne: is there a xmltv irc channel? can't find one.. |
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| [17:17:16] | noaXess_netubu: | jarle: ok.. if i run my grabber manually.. not with mythfilldatabase.. who can get the xml data from my grabber into mythtv? |
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| [17:21:19] | MeraX: | hey, I'm looking for something do mixup a stereo sound signal from one application to 5.1 in order to to set the volume of this special application different for each of the 5.1 speakers with pavucontrol (ore some thing like this) (in order to send one stereo signal to one pair of speaker and an other stereo signal to a second pair) |
| [17:22:09] | noaXess_netubu: | jarle: now.. i got a manuall tv listing from my grabber.. w/o mythtv.. and see thjis timestamp: 20110327115500 +0100 |
| [17:23:07] | noaXess_netubu: | jarle: won't bugging you.. what does mythtv do with that timstamp? in mythtv listins is the start time of this show at 1255, instead of 1155 |
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| [17:57:14] | judget: | Hi can someone tell me how I can delete a connection. I am modifying my channels based on the scte65scan but need to remove the scanbs that mythbackend performed previously |
| [17:58:12] | judget: | nvm i figured it out it was the video sources that I had to remove |
| [18:01:40] | Twiggy2cents: | Why is it that if I cat some vob's together, the whole movie is there on mplayer but mplayer and vlc don't show the whole movie as being there. |
| [18:02:01] | wagnerrp: | say that again? |
| [18:02:50] | Twiggy2cents: | I followed how you told me and it seems like everytime I have to rebuild the index for mythvideo and vlc to show the total runtime |
| [18:03:07] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo does not show the total runtime |
| [18:03:17] | wagnerrp: | it shows the runtime you have defined in the database |
| [18:03:29] | wagnerrp: | which is typically populated by the metadata grabbers |
| [18:04:34] | Twiggy2cents: | It is missing the middle. The beginning is there and so is the end. It says the movie is 37 minutes long when I skip forwards or backwards. I havent watched it to see if it is correct or if it is the whole movie with a screwed up time |
| [18:05:15] | wagnerrp: | it may not like the timecodes |
| [18:05:50] | Twiggy2cents: | so would I be forced to reindex to fix it? |
| [18:06:41] | wagnerrp: | dont know off hand |
| [18:07:20] | Twiggy2cents: | I have this problem about everytime I use cat. I forget do you concatenate your vobs together or use the iso's? |
| [18:07:32] | wagnerrp: | i use the ISOs |
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| [18:07:58] | wagnerrp: | but since the VOBs are just program streams, i figured concatenating them together should work |
| [18:08:17] | wagnerrp: | since concatenating EVOBs together works just fine |
| [18:09:05] | Twiggy2cents: | I might just go to a method that the end product is iso so I dont have to go through the step of reindexing it |
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| [18:10:46] | Twiggy2cents: | Thanks for the advice |
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| [18:22:28] | StevenR: | Hi, I'm having trouble with mythtv recording programmes. It seems to record them a few mins off, so I often miss the start or end of programmes, or they overlap. All my clocks (ntp-fed laptop and desktop, DAB/RDS clock radio, mobile phone, etc, show the same time, to within a few seconds). |
| [18:22:43] | StevenR: | IS there a way of specifying a default time offset? |
| [18:23:48] | wagnerrp: | they all start a few minutes late? |
| [18:24:28] | wagnerrp: | oh, both ends |
| [18:24:51] | wagnerrp: | well if its both directions, its entirely possible your broadcasters simply arent starting on the half-hour decrements |
| [18:25:07] | wagnerrp: | and your guide data does not provide any higher granularity than that |
| [18:25:27] | wagnerrp: | you can set per-rule options for padding |
| [18:25:47] | StevenR: | can I set a default padding? |
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| [18:26:55] | StevenR: | alot of programmes on BBC3 seem to overlap, caused by starting "early"... so if I record two programmes back to back, I get part of prog2 at the end of prog1 |
| [18:32:41] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: guide data appears to have 5min granularity |
| [18:33:11] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, Is there a wiki page somewhere on hard padding vs soft padding? |
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| [18:46:05] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: ok. it's 19:45. The box has just switched over to record something, but the programme has already started. Not by much, maybe 60 seconds or so? |
| [18:46:22] | StevenR: | but sometimes it starts really early |
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| [19:11:19] | sphery: | StevenR: You'd need to set a start early and a negative end late (to end early) on every rule... MythTV makes the assumption that your guide data knows what it's talking about (and that your clocks agree with the broadcaster's). There's no way to set a default--requires editing each rule (and making sure that you don't forget it when creating future rules). |
| [19:11:43] | sphery: | Eventually, we'll have recording rule templates, and you'll be able to set your default template to the appropriate defaults |
| [19:11:57] | sphery: | only thing we're missing, now, is the patch to add them |
| [19:13:28] | StevenR: | ok. thanks. |
| [19:14:39] | sphery: | StevenR: alternatively, you could try to edit the listings data you receive (but that's challenging--and impossible without editing code if using EIT) |
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| [19:15:13] | StevenR: | sphery: well... I'm not sure which it's using... I've got an xml grabber and EIT... I think. |
| [19:18:51] | sphery: | StevenR: you need to make sure it's using only one or the other |
| [19:19:09] | StevenR: | sphery: ok.. first, how do I tell what it's doing exactly? |
| [19:19:16] | sphery: | if you use both, they will step all over each other and cause serious problems... may actually be part of the problem with the bad start times? |
| [19:19:22] | StevenR: | could be |
| [19:20:04] | sphery: | In mythtv-setup, there's a setting, "Automatically run mythfilldatabase," and if that's set, it's running mythfilldatabase (which is for the XMLTV listings) |
| [19:20:38] | sphery: | if you're not on a distro with a wrapper script for mythtv-setup that kills the backend, you can start mythtv-setup and it will say your backend is running and ask if you want it to stop it |
| [19:20:55] | sphery: | say no, then go into General settings and see what "Automatically run mythfilldatabase" is set to |
| [19:21:08] | sphery: | FWIW, Ubuntu has a wrapper that kills mythbackend |
| [19:21:14] | sphery: | don't know about other distros |
| [19:21:19] | StevenR: | it's ubuntu |
| [19:21:29] | sphery: | On Ubuntu, you can run mythtv-setup.real |
| [19:21:36] | sphery: | that bypasses the wrapper |
| [19:23:21] | sphery: | once you find whether mythfilldatabase is enabled, we have a couple other settings to check in mythtv-setup |
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| [19:26:46] | StevenR: | sphery: yes, it's ticked |
| [19:27:12] | sphery: | OK, then back out to the main menu and go into the Video Sources configuration |
| [19:27:20] | sphery: | In there, what's selected for your grabber |
| [19:27:22] | StevenR: | sphery: but I had to setup a manual cronjob because it doesn't work via cron as the myth user for some reason |
| [19:28:24] | sphery: | "doesn't work via cron" meaning that the backend's running mythfilldatabase automatically for you doesn't work? |
| [19:28:30] | StevenR: | yes |
| [19:29:04] | StevenR: | listings grabber is Radio Times xmltv |
| [19:29:14] | StevenR: | "Perform EIT Scan" is unticked |
| [19:29:18] | sphery: | likely you have the XMLTV configuration files in the wrong user's directory (and the user running mythbackend doesn't have permission to access the directory with the configuration) |
| [19:29:25] | sphery: | OK, that was my next question |
| [19:29:34] | sphery: | so it sounds like you're doing only XMLTV, which is good |
| [19:29:42] | sphery: | but doesn't solve the program start time issue :( |
| [19:29:57] | StevenR: | I'm sure I had EIT turned on though |
| [19:30:16] | sphery: | as for the XMLTV configuration, there's likely a file in $HOME/.mythtv/<something>.conf that has the XMLTV stuff... |
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| [19:30:29] | sphery: | I /think/ <something> is the Video Source name you specified |
| [19:30:48] | sphery: | check to see whose $HOME/.mythtv it's in |
| [19:31:17] | sphery: | if it's some user, like steven, then a user mythtv running the mythbackend wouldn't have access to /home/steven/.mythtv |
| [19:31:50] | sphery: | Oh, and you can shut down mythtv-setup, now, and don't need to re-run mythfilldatabase |
| [19:32:07] | sphery: | we were just looking and didn't change any channel or video source information |
| [19:35:11] | StevenR: | it's in two places. |
| [19:35:57] | StevenR: | my$HOME/.mythtv/UK.xml |
| [19:36:05] | StevenR: | and /home/mythtv/UK.xml |
| [19:37:20] | sphery: | in just /home/mythtv/UK.xml, not /home/mythtv/.mythtv/UK.xml ? |
| [19:37:46] | StevenR: | yeah |
| [19:39:35] | sphery: | OK, there's a way to find out from mythtv-setup what it's using, but I don't know how, so we're going to take a shortcut... What do you get from: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "select sourceid, name, xmltvgrabber, configpath from videosource;" |
| [19:40:01] | sphery: | I'm guessing it will be the one in your HOME |
| [19:40:36] | sphery: | (it = configpath) |
| [19:41:00] | StevenR: | 1 | UK | tv_grab_uk_rt | NULL |
| [19:41:25] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [19:42:14] | StevenR: | well, that explains why it doesn't work. |
| [19:42:22] | sphery: | then I'm guessing (I'm in the US, so I use Schedules Direct and haven't used XMLTV for years) that it will fall back to the old behavior |
| [19:42:30] | StevenR: | don't know hwy that's not populated though |
| [19:42:34] | sphery: | which would be $HOME/.mythtv/UK.xml for the user running mythbackend |
| [19:43:03] | sphery: | so, you can either figure out some way to populate that field (I don't know how it's done through mythtv-setup) |
| [19:43:27] | sphery: | or you can just: sudo mv /home/mythtv/UK.xml /home/mythtv/.mythtv |
| [19:43:31] | sphery: | I'd recommend trying the first |
| [19:43:55] | sphery: | (assuming, also, that /home/mythtv/UK.xml and your $HOME/.mythtv/UK.xml contain the same data... might want to diff to be sure) |
| [19:44:07] | sphery: | diff $HOME/.mythtv/UK.xml /home/mythtv/UK.xml |
| [19:44:08] | ** StevenR nods ** | |
| [19:44:16] | sphery: | and nothing is good news |
| [19:44:59] | StevenR: | the cachedir varys |
| [19:45:22] | StevenR: | cachedir=/home/mythtv/.xmltv/cache |
| [19:45:36] | StevenR: | or /home/myusername/.xmltv/cache |
| [19:45:51] | sphery: | yeah, just want to make sure it's somewhere writable by the user running mythbackend (mythtv, probably) |
| [19:46:01] | sphery: | as long as it is, you should be good |
| [19:46:15] | sphery: | so, yeah, that sounds good |
| [19:46:26] | StevenR: | so I need to wiggle the DB |
| [19:46:26] | sphery: | just make sure there's actually a /home/mythtv/xmltv directory |
| [19:46:45] | StevenR: | yup |
| [19:46:50] | sphery: | sudo install -d -o mythtv -g mythtv /home/mythtv/.xmltv |
| [19:47:12] | StevenR: | it's there, mythtv:mythtv |
| [19:47:19] | sphery: | cool |
| [19:47:31] | sphery: | that should fix the backend's automatically running it |
| [19:47:40] | StevenR: | so... I need to move it into .mythtv |
| [19:47:45] | sphery: | so once you see that happen once, feel free to disable the manual cron job |
| [19:47:58] | sphery: | yeah, move the UK.xml into /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ |
| [19:48:36] | sphery: | that's one of the easiest things to break in XMLTV configuration because a lot of times people run mythtv-setup as a different user from the user that runs mythbackend |
| [19:49:04] | sphery: | so if you don't know what all is going on, things like that can happen |
| [19:49:32] | sphery: | we should be fixing that up as we fix up setup |
| [19:49:45] | StevenR: | right. that's done. I'll check mythweb tomorrow and see when it ran mythfilldatabase |
| [19:51:12] | sphery: | cool |
| [19:51:16] | sphery: | hope that helps |
| [19:51:34] | StevenR: | but I don't see why that would cause timings to be out :S |
| [19:51:41] | sphery: | might want to stick around and see if you can find another UK RT user to see if they have similar start time issues and what they do about it |
| [19:51:51] | StevenR: | yeah |
| [19:51:52] | sphery: | yeah, that's unrelated, but figured as long as we were in there :) |
| [19:52:01] | StevenR: | yeah. thanks. |
| [19:52:08] | sphery: | anyway, good luck |
| [19:52:28] | sphery: | I'd guess that there's a not too difficult fix... Otherwise, I'd expect we'd have heard a lot more complaining :) |
| [19:53:58] | StevenR: | I know it's not the system clock, it's showing the correct time, set via NTP, matching the RDS/DAB radios I have. |
| [19:55:33] | sphery: | yeah, sounds like the broadcasters |
| [19:56:00] | StevenR: | it looks to vary between broadcaster, now that I think about it. |
| [19:56:37] | sphery: | I'm guessing others will say they set the "Time to record before start of show (secs)" setting in mythfrontend settings to some (too-large-for-what-the-setting-is-meant-for) value |
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| [19:57:03] | sphery: | and then the first show that gets recorded on a tuner starts that many seconds early |
| [19:57:05] | Izarie: | hi |
| [19:57:25] | sphery: | then all the back to back ones end up getting chopped and split across other shows |
| [19:57:59] | sphery: | StevenR: you can set that, but it will /not/ fix it--seems to be enough to placate most users (i.e. thinking they fixed it, even though they didn't) |
| [19:58:08] | sphery: | if you set it to 90 or something, ... |
| [19:58:24] | sphery: | but if you ever do back-to-back recordings, it won't help |
| [19:58:27] | sphery: | Izarie: hi |
| [19:58:37] | Izarie: | I would like to know if it' an obligation to setup mysql to be accessible from the client computer to allow him to use myth tv. It seem strange to have 2 port open, the mysql and the myth tv one... I would think that the myth tv backend would be the only one to access the database... |
| [19:59:43] | sphery: | Izarie: that is our eventual goal, but we need to do a /lot/ of work to get there :( |
| [19:59:45] | Izarie: | Took me 3 hours to understand and to setup my DVB... and I stiull understand nothiung... |
| [20:00:27] | sphery: | for now, though, mythtv-setup and mythfrontend and MythWeb and all mythbackends and any scripts using the Perl/Python bindings and any 3rd party clients use mysql directly |
| [20:00:29] | Izarie: | ok, so I have to find a way to allow the 2nd computer to access mysql on my first one... |
| [20:00:42] | sphery: | yeah... |
| [20:01:00] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql is our "short instructions" |
| [20:01:37] | sphery: | but there may be more to it--for example, you'll often need to: SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'<hostname-or-ip-address-you-specified-in-the-GRANT>' = PASSWORD('mythtv'); |
| [20:02:03] | sphery: | seems at least one very popular distro has some mysql permissions weirdness where the identified by doesn't work properly |
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| [20:04:56] | Izarie: | ok, I'm trying that |
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| [20:14:13] | Izarie: | on the server, I got : access denied for user mythtv@localhost |
| [20:14:21] | Izarie: | do you know how to resolv that ? |
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| [20:14:43] | Izarie: | First I test on localserver, and after, I will test on my second computer... |
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| [20:17:22] | Teligard: | well, I'm making headway, but am still running into an issue with the tuner 1 input |
| [20:17:58] | Teligard: | Izarie: I ran into the same issue |
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| [20:18:33] | Izarie: | ... ok, It's sucks... I have 2 root user and 3 mythtv user in my table mysql.User |
| [20:18:40] | Izarie: | I think there is a problem |
| [20:18:51] | Teligard: | Set all of of your ip's (local backend, backend master, and mythtv frontend) to the same IP |
| [20:18:54] | Teligard: | That helped me |
| [20:19:25] | Teligard: | if not that, are you installing mythbuntu, or are you using something liek a ubuntu mini, and adding the services |
| [20:20:25] | Izarie: | now, I tried to connect on mysql first |
| [20:20:39] | Izarie: | I'mp so bad on system, Adn mysql setup is the worse.. |
| [20:20:56] | Izarie: | It's the first time I tried to create an user... |
| [20:21:30] | tgm4883: | If you are using *buntu with the packages in the repo, you need to enable the mysql service IIRC |
| [20:22:18] | Izarie: | I'm on mandriva |
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| [20:22:35] | Nede: | hi chat |
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| [20:22:44] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [20:22:48] | Nede: | I have a problem with 5.1 audio. |
| [20:22:50] | Nede: | Every 15 seconds I have a disorder but, if I remove upmixer him again and everything works! ideas? |
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| [20:23:17] | Teligard: | So, anyone have experience using the tuner 1 inpu on the Hauphauge 1600 |
| [20:23:40] | Teligard: | I can't seem to get video from my STB through that interface/input |
| [20:24:06] | Teligard: | I can get it through SVideo, but not Tuner |
| [20:25:00] | awalls: | The tuner defaults to channel 4 |
| [20:25:11] | awalls: | set it to channel 3 |
| [20:25:30] | Teligard: | on which of the two TV inputs? |
| [20:25:58] | awalls: | The analog one, your STB RF should be outputting RF on channel 3 |
| [20:26:34] | Teligard: | k |
| [20:26:51] | Teligard: | I'll try that. Need to reboot this box real quick, and will be back in |
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| [20:27:23] | Nede: | 0 |
| [20:27:23] | Nede: | <Teligard> I can't seem to get video from my STB through that interface/input |
| [20:27:29] | Nede: | oops |
| [20:27:47] | Nede: | I have a problem with 5.1 audio. |
| [20:27:47] | Nede: | Every 15 seconds I have a disorder but, if I remove upmixer him again and everything works! ideas? |
| [20:28:12] | iamlindoro: | Nede, Do not repeat yourself every five minutes |
| [20:28:20] | Nede: | sorry! |
| [20:28:24] | iamlindoro: | If nobody answers for a few hours you can repeat your question |
| [20:28:51] | Nede: | ok! |
| [20:28:55] | sphery: | Nede: can't help, but I'm guessing that the audio upmix may be too much for your system to handle? |
| [20:29:15] | sphery: | wish teligard was still here so I could ask why he wants to use RF-modulated output from an STB instead of S-Video |
| [20:29:54] | ** awalls thinks Teligard's reboot didn't. ** | |
| [20:30:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'll randomly guess that he's using a couple of different boxes, and one of them is a DTA, which is analog RF only out |
| [20:30:15] | Nede: | the fact is that before you format the backend worked fine, now I have problems |
| [20:30:24] | iamlindoro: | may be off base, but it was the most realistic scenario I can think of ;) |
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| [20:32:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ah, that would make sense... the " I can get it through SVideo, but not Tuner" had me confused |
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| [20:32:40] | sphery: | Nede: did you upgrade? MythTV 0.24 has some much heavier audio processing occuring |
| [20:33:01] | awalls: | iamlindoro: that's what I had assumed. |
| [20:34:12] | awalls: | I do wonder why he wants to use the RF vs S-video |
| [20:34:36] | Nede: | sphery, I have 2 separate systems, a backend and a frontend. last updated 2 all fixed! I redid the backend and then came the problems on the frontend ... |
| [20:34:38] | awalls: | STB's don't do BTSC stereo, so you just get mono |
| [20:35:09] | josh1856: | does anyone know of any home automation systems? |
| [20:35:29] | josh1856: | or integration with mythtv |
| [20:35:43] | Nede: | redoing the backend I had to reconfigure the frontend because I had lost all my preferences ... |
| [20:36:00] | ** awalls tells his children to turn on the TV ** | |
| [20:36:51] | sphery: | josh1856: http://linuxmce.com/ and http://plutohome.com/ , but they use older mythtv and have a(n ugly) skin over the top of it |
| [20:36:54] | Izarie: | Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.65' (4) <- to you know how to resolv that ? |
| [20:37:21] | Nede: | are willing to redo the frontend but I wanted to see if I could place first in some other way |
| [20:37:21] | sphery: | Izarie: did you read the info at the link I gave you? |
| [20:37:29] | Izarie: | I think so... |
| [20:37:36] | sphery: | Nede: not sure what it could be |
| [20:37:51] | sphery: | if nothing else, I'd suggest re-scanning the audio devices and reconfiguring audio |
| [20:38:10] | sphery: | Izarie: and you did the grants and set password? |
| [20:38:46] | Nede: | sphery, I try, thanks for your time! |
| [20:40:01] | Izarie: | yes, I did both. I works on my local machine |
| [20:40:18] | Izarie: | and there is no "skip-networking" in my file |
| [20:40:33] | Izarie: | (the file is very short, 3 lines...) |
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| [20:41:02] | Izarie: | I did that : |
| [20:41:03] | Izarie: | $ mysql -u root mythconverg |
| [20:41:05] | Izarie: | mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv"; |
| [20:41:06] | Izarie: | mysql> flush privileges; |
| [20:41:21] | Teligard: | ok |
| [20:41:35] | sphery: | Izarie: and do a set password, too |
| [20:41:45] | sphery: | since some distros have broken the identified by |
| [20:42:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:42:20] | Izarie: | I already did it, for all users... @localhost and @192.168.1.% |
| [20:42:26] | sphery: | Izarie: SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.%' = PASSWORD('mythtv'); |
| [20:42:32] | Izarie: | my mysql.user table is up to date |
| [20:42:44] | Izarie: | already did it |
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| [20:44:25] | Izarie: | could it be a firewall stuff ? |
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| [20:48:03] | sphery: | Izarie: and you checked the bind address? |
| [20:48:15] | Izarie: | ok, new error, was the forewall... |
| [20:48:18] | Izarie: | firewall.. |
| [20:51:24] | Izarie: | Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 |
| [20:51:28] | Izarie: | now I get that... |
| [20:53:33] | Izarie: | error 111 seems to be connection refused... |
| [20:54:09] | Teligard: | These are the same errors I was getting |
| [20:54:34] | Teligard: | My recommend would be to use the mythbuntu distro |
| [20:54:44] | Teligard: | It cured my db woes |
| [20:54:57] | Teligard: | (not that I'm not dealing with other things now, but...) |
| [20:55:19] | Izarie: | the problem is that I use my main computer as a server, and I don't want to install a specific distro on it just for the TV... |
| [20:55:32] | Izarie: | for a small mysql issue... |
| [20:56:10] | Teligard: | I understand |
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| [20:56:39] | Teligard: | I spent 3 days dealing with the db permission/access issues, and never was able to get it solved. |
| [20:56:58] | Teligard: | But was was also setting my IP's wrong |
| [20:57:00] | Teligard: | so.... |
| [20:57:19] | Teligard: | I don't think that was the issue initially for me though |
| [20:57:30] | Teligard: | You're getting exactly the same errors I received. |
| [20:58:20] | Izarie: | honnestly, We need to get a lot of motivation to deal with mysql... to mak a TV application works... |
| [20:59:02] | Teligard: | agreed |
| [20:59:09] | Teligard: | very frustrating |
| [20:59:19] | Teligard: | but once it's up, it's not bad |
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| [21:00:17] | Teligard: | Well, I tried the recommendation (channel 4 for tuner 1), but I still only get snow. |
| [21:00:41] | Teligard: | I've tested that the output from the STB is working by plugging it directly into the TV |
| [21:00:48] | Teligard: | So, I'm ata loss |
| [21:00:52] | Teligard: | at a |
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| [21:03:02] | pladijs: | Does mythtv allow to archive movies by something like yamj or umc? |
| [21:04:39] | sphery: | Teligard: just to verify, this is a DTA that only has RF-modulated ("tuner") output, right? |
| [21:04:47] | sphery: | and the S-Video you had working was some other STB? |
| [21:04:59] | sphery: | otherwise, you're /much/ better off using S-Video |
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| [21:07:28] | Teligard: | It's a STB with dual tuners |
| [21:07:57] | Teligard: | SVideo only works with 1 source |
| [21:08:38] | Teligard: | leaving me to need to use an RF-modulated coaxial for the second tuner |
| [21:09:06] | Teligard: | I'm using SVideo for source 1 |
| [21:09:32] | Teligard: | but still want the video for source 2 (then I can record source 1, while watching source 2) |
| [21:09:38] | Teligard: | or visa versa |
| [21:10:42] | Teligard: | next I have to deal with the fun and games of lirc |
| [21:10:54] | sphery: | Teligard: HVR-1600? |
| [21:11:00] | Teligard: | yes |
| [21:11:04] | sphery: | isn't that a single analog tuner and a single digital tuner? |
| [21:11:13] | Teligard: | http://www.scribd.com/doc/19343275/Hauppauge- . . . nstall-Guide |
| [21:11:14] | Teligard: | yes |
| [21:11:25] | Teligard: | nevermind |
| [21:11:31] | pladijs: | What i like about umc is that it serves pages with artwork, plot summary, etc through a web-server. but it is for a popcorn-hour. Is there something on mythtv that would do the same? I don't get whether mythvideo supports this. |
| [21:11:34] | Teligard: | I can only use 1 src |
| [21:11:35] | sphery: | I think there's a connection kit for a 2nd S-Video input for dual-analog tuner models, like the HVR-2200 or whatever |
| [21:11:49] | sphery: | Teligard: right... your RF-modulated output is NTSC (analog) |
| [21:11:50] | sphery: | :( |
| [21:12:01] | Teligard: | nutz |
| [21:12:03] | Teligard: | :( |
| [21:12:16] | sphery: | but you can get another 1600 or get a 22x0 |
| [21:12:33] | Teligard: | Oh well, I can simply go direct to the TV |
| [21:12:33] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [21:12:34] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [21:13:09] | Teligard: | What's out that has dual analog? |
| [21:13:20] | sphery: | looks like the 2250 is the US dual-analog model |
| [21:13:27] | Teligard: | I have a 650, but it's not supported |
| [21:13:35] | sphery: | but it's digital only |
| [21:13:56] | Teligard: | k |
| [21:13:57] | sphery: | though I thought some people were talking about using out-of-kernel drivers to get analog working |
| [21:14:29] | sphery: | confirmed... if you use bleeding drivers, you can make it work |
| [21:14:37] | sphery: | it /is/ PCIe, though, not PCI |
| [21:15:09] | Teligard: | Well, there went that. I'm using PCI |
| [21:15:56] | Teligard: | Actually, I'm looking at the site, and it's both analog and digital |
| [21:16:12] | Teligard: | http://www.diamondmm.com/TVW650PCI.php |
| [21:16:38] | Teligard: | But linuxtv doesn't show it as a supported device |
| [21:16:43] | sphery: | yeah, it was the Linux driver that didn't supprot analog for the HVR-2250 |
| [21:16:47] | sphery: | but bleeding drivers do |
| [21:16:56] | Beirdo: | has for a while now |
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| [21:17:02] | sphery: | oh, you mean your 650, not the 2250 |
| [21:17:11] | Teligard: | yes |
| [21:17:19] | Beirdo: | the drivers went in at 2.6.37, I think (into vanilla kernel) |
| [21:17:33] | sphery: | yeah, I don't know anything about ATI cards--except that for the most part, their analog stuff isn't for capture |
| [21:17:37] | Teligard: | for the 2250, or 650 |
| [21:17:45] | sphery: | it's actually more of a "black-hole" tuner approach |
| [21:17:52] | Beirdo: | Teligard: for the 2250 analog-side |
| [21:18:01] | sphery: | but maybe that's just when combined with the video card |
| [21:18:12] | Teligard: | k |
| [21:18:27] | sphery: | if you don't have PCIe, though, it won't help |
| [21:18:31] | sphery: | got another PCI? |
| [21:18:40] | sphery: | if so, another HVR-1600 (or a used PVR-150) would work |
| [21:18:55] | sphery: | or if PCI is at a premium, a used PVR-500 (dual-analog) |
| [21:22:29] | Teligard: | It's funny how I bought this card thinking I could cover all the bases, but I have never been able to use the QAM/ATSC portion... |
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| [21:24:23] | sphery: | yeah, the QAM might work, but likely only for the local broadcast channels--and only if you plug the cable connection directly into the card (not going through the STB) |
| [21:24:42] | sphery: | and if not, you /could/ get an antenna and set it up to use ATSC |
| [21:24:54] | Teligard: | I'm coming off a sat connection |
| [21:25:03] | sphery: | but whether you will have good reception or not, only antennaweb.org or tvfool.com would know |
| [21:25:19] | sphery: | but figuring out all the hardware stuff is a big challenge |
| [21:25:35] | sphery: | especially since manufacturers don't support Linux, so you're operating outside of normal channels |
| [21:26:58] | bance: | boo manufacturers |
| [21:27:07] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: hard padding is set per-rule, and is done in minute increments, and is supposed to be used for programs extending outside the guide data |
| [21:27:27] | wagnerrp: | soft padding is a global setting done in seconds, and is intended more for use with tuners that may take several seconds to start up |
| [21:27:49] | sphery: | and I still say it's not soft padding :) |
| [21:27:49] | wagnerrp: | soft padding really is not intended to be used for fixing problems in guide data |
| [21:28:16] | wagnerrp: | arguably, its a setting that should go away |
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| [21:28:33] | wagnerrp: | and the tuner monitor used to predict how much time it will take to tune, and record it for future scheduler runs |
| [21:28:35] | Teligard: | The guide update I received is completely off |
| [21:37:05] | bance: | Is there any way to get/record long wave radio on myth? |
| [21:37:32] | wagnerrp: | no, the only 'radio' mythtv supports is audio-only DVB broadcasts |
| [21:37:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: +1 on getting rid of it |
| [21:40:01] | bance: | could I do it through a third party app and integrate it somehow? |
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| [21:46:25] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [21:46:29] | wagnerrp: | hehehehee |
| [21:46:33] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| [21:46:50] | Teligard: | I found an HVR-150 for 23.00 USD |
| [21:46:55] | wagnerrp: | mysql.com was hacked today, using an sql injection attack |
| [21:46:55] | Teligard: | Didn't sound too bad |
| [21:47:07] | Teligard: | nice |
| [21:47:09] | wagnerrp: | sounds bad to me |
| [21:47:32] | wagnerrp: | like a cheap chinese knockoff or something |
| [21:47:39] | Teligard: | nope |
| [21:47:45] | Teligard: | real deal |
| [21:47:51] | wagnerrp: | clearly not |
| [21:47:57] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge never sold an HVR-150 |
| [21:48:02] | Teligard: | ebay'd it |
| [21:48:17] | Teligard: | PVR-150 |
| [21:48:18] | Teligard: | sorry |
| [21:49:23] | Teligard: | now, for lirc |
| [21:50:32] | Izarie: | It works for TV !!!!! |
| [21:50:37] | ** Izarie happy !!! ** | |
| [21:50:48] | Teligard: | How did you get the db issue resolved? |
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| [21:50:59] | Izarie: | now, I have to be able to share my divx... I think it's something we can do... |
| [21:51:23] | Izarie: | I finally found the my.cnf file, and removed the skip networking... |
| [21:51:28] | wagnerrp: | as in.. make available to other frontends on the network? |
| [21:51:33] | Teligard: | rigt |
| [21:51:35] | Teligard: | k |
| [21:51:47] | bance: | it was just an 'idea' I like test match special! |
| [21:52:07] | Izarie: | the fun news is that my "main" computer is not able to decode HD channel, but my laptop wan |
| [21:52:20] | Izarie: | can |
| [21:54:10] | Teligard: | So, as the default is now to use the local loopback address instead of skip-networking, should I simply set the ip to my lan IP for remote to work? |
| [21:56:00] | Izarie: | where ? |
| [21:56:30] | Izarie: | I put in mythtv my 192.168.1.65 ip everywhere, in place of 127.0.0.1 |
| [21:56:43] | Izarie: | and I removed the firewall on my server(for now) |
| [21:57:08] | Teligard: | ok |
| [21:57:12] | Izarie: | you can test first you connection to mysql from the client |
| [21:57:19] | Izarie: | and if it works, it should be ok |
| [21:57:23] | Teligard: | Well, I made an adjustment |
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| [22:01:53] | Izarie: | I would like to know... is it UDP or TCP connection to the server ? |
| [22:06:41] | Izarie: | And is it possible to share videos ? |
| [22:07:22] | [R]: | Izarie: which server... and what do you mean "share" |
| [22:07:41] | wagnerrp: | both mythbackend and mysql operate over TCP |
| [22:07:52] | wagnerrp: | and the backend will stream recordings and video to any connected frontend |
| [22:08:10] | wagnerrp: | there is no need to use NFS or similar utility |
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| [22:14:09] | Teligard: | All works :-) |
| [22:14:22] | Teligard: | (video on local and remote) |
| [22:14:35] | Teligard: | now to deal with the other pieces of the puzzle |
| [22:18:47] | Izarie: | [R] I mean, I think we can have a divx folder on our server, and read directly from it on the client ? |
| [22:19:07] | wagnerrp: | Izarie: no, you have a divx folder on the backend |
| [22:19:13] | wagnerrp: | and the backend streams it to the client |
| [22:19:19] | wagnerrp: | the client does not read it directly |
| [22:19:21] | Izarie: | yes, that what I mean |
| [22:21:08] | Izarie: | so in section 6(folders) on backend, you select the video folder |
| [22:21:12] | Izarie: | and after what... |
| [22:21:21] | wagnerrp: | thats it, youre done |
| [22:21:54] | Izarie: | but how do you access it after on the client ? |
| [22:22:07] | Izarie: | I did the fill database, restart the backend |
| [22:22:20] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase is only for scheduling data |
| [22:22:23] | Izarie: | but on the front end, I have nothing else than TV(LIVE TV° |
| [22:22:24] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with mythvideo |
| [22:22:35] | wagnerrp: | you have no 'media library'? |
| [22:22:37] | bance: | the wonder of storage groups! |
| [22:23:32] | Izarie: | mythvideo ?? |
| [22:23:45] | Izarie: | Is it an executable? I use mythfrontend |
| [22:23:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is only for the recording and playback of broadcast television |
| [22:24:10] | wagnerrp: | generic video playback is added in through a plugin, mythvideo |
| [22:24:28] | wagnerrp: | if mythvideo is installed, it will be accessible in the frontend through Media Library --> Watch Videos |
| [22:24:35] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo |
| [22:25:32] | Beirdo: | gonna have beer soon. |
| [22:25:33] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [22:27:27] | Izarie: | ... not on the mandriva repository... I have to find it and install it by hand... |
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| [22:28:04] | Izarie: | wher can I download it ? |
| [22:29:26] | Teligard: | There should have been a myth manager app installed to your desktop by default |
| [22:29:50] | Teligard: | And it gives options on plugins, etc, that you can install. |
| [22:29:57] | Izarie: | mythavtest mythffmpeg mythfrontend mythlcdserver mythreplex mythshutdown mythtranscode mythtvosd mythwelcome |
| [22:30:02] | Izarie: | that's all I have |
| [22:30:19] | Teligard: | hmmm, ok |
| [22:30:30] | Izarie: | I have more on the server |
| [22:30:50] | Izarie: | but no mythvideo |
| [22:31:58] | Teligard: | I'll find the name |
| [22:32:32] | Izarie: | when I start mythfrontend, I have a plugin section, but I can't enter in |
| [22:32:54] | Teligard: | The tool may only install in mythbuntu |
| [22:33:11] | Teligard: | Mythbuntu Control Centre |
| [22:33:17] | Teligard: | is what I have |
| [22:33:42] | bance: | Beirdo: you at work or somthin' ? I been drinkin' beer for hours |
| [22:34:24] | bance: | :-) |
| [22:35:07] | Beirdo: | no, just gonna go get a keg for home :) |
| [22:35:28] | bance: | is that all? |
| [22:35:49] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [22:35:56] | bance: | hope you're shareing? |
| [22:36:04] | bance: | sharing |
| [22:37:13] | Beirdo: | ummm, why would I do that? |
| [22:37:30] | Beirdo: | I guess if I have visitors :) |
| [22:37:47] | bance: | now, now don't be greedy! |
| [22:38:24] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [22:38:35] | Beirdo: | 5.5 gal, all for me |
| [22:39:21] | bance: | not all at once surely! |
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| [22:40:00] | bance: | and don't say don't call me shirley |
| [22:41:07] | Izarie: | is there someeone who can explain me how to use mythvideo ? |
| [22:41:15] | Izarie: | and where I can get it ? |
| [22:41:50] | Teligard: | I would recommend doing a google search, as I haven't used it (yet) |
| [22:42:03] | Teligard: | And I'm certain that there are several resources available on it. |
| [22:42:19] | bance: | Izarie: if you have it installed:- mythcontrol centre is System>admin> MCC |
| [22:42:33] | Teligard: | If I had used it, I'd be happy to walk you through it.' |
| [22:43:12] | Izarie: | bance ??? what do you mean by System / Admin / MCC ? |
| [22:43:17] | bance: | or some such |
| [22:44:05] | bance: | are you using mythbuntu? |
| [22:44:52] | Izarie: | I 'm on mandriva |
| [22:45:12] | Teligard: | With the changechannel script that's posted here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration, when I use it, what do I enter for my receiver #? Is it as simple as 1/2, or is there something more to it? |
| [22:46:50] | bance: | Izarie:I don't know on mandriva, but it/ll probably be where you change system settings |
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| [22:47:46] | Izarie: | is there a filename ?? |
| [22:51:42] | bance: | try your package manager for myth control centre |
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| [22:55:37] | bance: | or maybe myth plugins |
| [22:56:18] | Izarie: | I found something... |
| [22:56:24] | Izarie: | gonna try it |
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| [23:01:47] | Izarie: | ok, I have more options now, I can browse music or video, or DVD |
| [23:01:52] | Izarie: | but nothing works |
| [23:01:59] | Izarie: | I can't enter in video |
| [23:02:12] | Izarie: | and I enter on music, but it's empty |
| [23:02:53] | bance: | you have to point it to your storage folders! |
| [23:03:27] | Izarie: | on my backend setup ? |
| [23:03:35] | Izarie: | I have no "music" options |
| [23:03:36] | bance: | yes |
| [23:03:53] | Izarie: | and I did it for video, but that doesn't allow me to enter in the video section |
| [23:04:24] | RSpliet: | last night my machine killed all httpd's children before hanging himself. Reason was "out of memory". I suspect mythtv is leaking, where should I start finding more info on this? |
| [23:04:57] | bance: | music is a little more difficult if you have a remote F?E |
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| [23:05:52] | Izarie: | ok, so first movies... |
| [23:05:56] | Izarie: | music can wait... |
| [23:07:44] | bance: | make your videos available by putting the folders in myth |
| [23:07:59] | Izarie: | I get the error : (backend) UPnpmedia:BuildMediaMap – noVideoStartupDir set, skipping scan |
| [23:08:25] | bance: | so set your video dir |
| [23:10:31] | Izarie: | so when I tried to quit the setup, I get : you define a video storage folder, but no folder for "cover" |
| [23:10:41] | Izarie: | we will put you cover in video |
| [23:10:47] | Izarie: | so that should be ok |
| [23:10:56] | Izarie: | (I translate from french) |
| [23:11:22] | Izarie: | I restart the backend |
| [23:11:36] | bance: | maybe? |
| [23:11:39] | Izarie: | and I get the same "skipping scan" |
| [23:13:14] | bance: | so try setup>gen>storage groups |
| [23:13:43] | Teligard: | for adding repos in apt, isn't it apt-add-repository <repo>? |
| [23:14:03] | bance: | put the path to your video folder in there |
| [23:14:31] | bance: | (from memorey) |
| [23:15:33] | Izarie: | I already have my /mnt/datas/films/ folder here |
| [23:16:24] | Teligard: | nevermind |
| [23:16:42] | bance: | what about permissions, should be mythtv |
| [23:16:48] | Teligard: | found the problem. python-software-properties wasn't installed |
| [23:17:09] | Izarie: | does it need some specific permissions, read is enough ? |
| [23:18:11] | bance: | no, own R+W at least |
| [23:19:16] | bance: | something like 755 |
| [23:20:30] | Izarie: | There is no mythtv user or group on my computer |
| [23:21:12] | bance: | so how are you using mythtv? |
| [23:21:15] | Izarie: | but, I get something new... the frontend asked me to update my server database to add the videos... and after I was able to enter in the video section... |
| [23:21:18] | Izarie: | but it was empty |
| [23:21:38] | Izarie: | mythtv works on my user for now |
| [23:21:48] | Izarie: | the daemon doesn't work |
| [23:21:57] | bance: | press 'm' scan |
| [23:22:10] | Izarie: | I start mythbackend in a console |
| [23:24:47] | Izarie: | YESSSSSSSSSS |
| [23:24:56] | Izarie: | fucking "m" :) |
| [23:25:17] | Izarie: | ok, so now, I have all my videos |
| [23:25:18] | bance: | well done! |
| [23:25:19] | Izarie: | thanks |
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| [23:25:46] | Izarie: | so, you said I need to net up a specific user to use mythtv as a daemon ? |
| [23:25:50] | bance: | monday night as the Japanese say |
| [23:27:33] | bance: | not sure about that......... just.... you should be in the mythtv group |
| [23:28:11] | Teligard: | mythtv only works with local paths, right? |
| [23:28:18] | Teligard: | for video |
| [23:28:27] | bance: | or use MCC to do what you need |
| [23:28:27] | Izarie: | I don't know Teligard |
| [23:28:31] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [23:28:54] | Izarie: | bance, I have one grouip on my computer : user... |
| [23:28:56] | iamlindoro: | local paths are deprecated and in fact, their use is discouraged |
| [23:29:05] | iamlindoro: | Add folders to the video storage group instead |
| [23:29:43] | bance: | that's what I said to do |
| [23:29:47] | Izarie: | my mistake, it sems that group exist somewhere |
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| [23:31:29] | Teligard: | so, scenario: I have 1TB of video on a NAS, 60GB of music, and 2–3GB photos |
| [23:31:35] | Teligard: | All remotely stored. |
| [23:32:19] | Teligard: | Do I need to set up fstab to mont the drives, then use the Video Group to route to the map point? |
| [23:32:26] | iamlindoro: | So mount them local to the backend, and add those paths to the SG |
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| [23:32:35] | Teligard: | ok |
| [23:32:36] | iamlindoro: | on the frontends, you do nothing (when using SGs) |
| [23:32:38] | Teligard: | thanks |
| [23:32:44] | Teligard: | right |
| [23:32:52] | iamlindoro: | which is the nice part about SGs, mount one place, use in many |
| [23:33:08] | iamlindoro: | (with no frontend config) |
| [23:33:10] | Izarie: | and, on the same level than Teligard, what happen if you remove one folder, or if it's is innaccessible sometimes. |
| [23:33:23] | Izarie: | for exemple on a usb external drive |
| [23:33:34] | iamlindoro: | depends on what the content is |
| [23:33:42] | Izarie: | does the backend keep the folder in memory ? |
| [23:33:48] | iamlindoro: | with recordings, they will simply tell you that they are unplayable |
| [23:33:57] | Izarie: | movies and music |
| [23:34:01] | iamlindoro: | with Videos, if you trigger a scan, they will be removed from the library and the metadata will be purged |
| [23:34:09] | iamlindoro: | Same with Music |
| [23:34:52] | Izarie: | and if you connect the drive, it will come back ? |
| [23:35:02] | bance: | iamlindoro: storage groups work for music as well? ( am on 0.23.1 fixes) now I mean |
| [23:35:24] | iamlindoro: | Izarie, if you connect the drive and rescan, then repopulate your metadata, sure |
| [23:35:40] | Izarie: | k iamlindoro, good news |
| [23:35:40] | iamlindoro: | bance, No SG support for music yet, but that is coming in the rewrite, though there is no ETA on that |
| [23:35:40] | awalls: | The log bot seems to be missing stuff today... |
| [23:36:11] | bance: | gonna upgrade soon anyway |
| [23:37:18] | Izarie: | quick question, where does the myth config files goes for the daemon ? For user it's /home/test/.mythtv, but for "root" ? |
| [23:38:06] | iamlindoro: | it's always ~/.mythtv |
| [23:38:23] | iamlindoro: | so if you intend to run it from an init script, then in ~/.mythtv for the user running the init script |
| [23:38:44] | Izarie: | but how can I know which user runs it ? |
| [23:39:04] | iamlindoro: | by learning about your distro, and seeing how init is configured for it |
| [23:39:13] | awalls: | ps axuf |
| [23:39:21] | iamlindoro: | many distros configure the user to run as in the init script itself |
| [23:39:28] | awalls: | ps faux :) |
| [23:39:48] | Izarie: | awalls: it crash after few seconds... so would not be in ps.. |
| [23:40:01] | awalls: | ah. |
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| [23:52:30] | Izarie: | I get Session opened for mythtv, and session closed for mythtv in my auth file |
| [23:52:41] | Izarie: | when I tried to start the daemon... |
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