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| [00:04:00] | markk_: | Seeker`: try playing back on of those recordings with mythfrontend -v playback,audio You should see messages in the logs about audio stream changes at those advert break boundaries. |
| [00:04:39] | markk_: | but broadly speaking, you need to look in libs/libmythtv/avformatdecoder.cpp |
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| [00:06:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | Seeker`, looking at the source, I think that AudioPlayer::ReinitAudio() in audioplayer.cpp is called anytime the audio format changes. is that right markk_ ? |
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| [00:08:46] | Seeker`: | just checked with -v playback,audio and didn't see any messages about the audio stream changes |
| [00:09:30] | Seeker`: | I'm using the 0.24-fixes mythbuntu repository |
| [00:10:00] | jya: | Saviq_afk: I have committed the changes related to mythtranscode and raw audio data. Could you share your mythtranscode -> mkv script so I can play with it ? |
| [00:10:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | Seeker`, if you're looking at a audio-based flagger, you may need to implement something like the audio output class that the transcoder uses to get at the raw audio. look at programs/transcode.cpp and specifically the 'Reconfigure' method in the AudioReencodeBuffer class. that gets called when sound format changes I believe. |
| [00:11:28] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: I'm trying to get a proof of concept working before I try and integrate anything in to mythtv itself |
| [00:11:31] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: if there are actually changes in the audio format between ads, that could be used to directly detect their location |
| [00:11:45] | jya: | Seeker`: can you post a copy of your output ? |
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| [00:13:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | Seeker`, yeah, that would be nice. would help in the U.S. as well. so, if you implement it, please do it so that it can be added as another detection method standalone or used with the 'all' method as well. |
| [00:13:54] | jya: | Seeker`: Captain_Murdoch is right. The best way to amend mythcomflag would be to add a dummy audiooutput class, similar to what mythtranscode does, except you only need to care about the Reconfigure call in that class. |
| [00:14:47] | jya: | that would limit the change greatly. Could then extend the method and check if the level of sound compression change. They like to bump during the ads usually, to make it sounds louder |
| [00:14:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | once the class is there, it can be extended to do silence detection and other methods if someone gets the itch. |
| [00:15:09] | jya: | yes, that would be really cool.. |
| [00:15:37] | Seeker`: | http://pastebin.com/yJ9HZtCx |
| [00:15:41] | jya: | checking for a change of audio like stereo -> 5.1 ; would be trivial |
| [00:15:53] | Seeker`: | thats what I get out of my frontend |
| [00:16:02] | Seeker`: | it doesn't look like there is anything useful there |
| [00:16:15] | jya: | Seeker`: this has nothing related to a playback |
| [00:16:30] | jya: | and surely not with -v audio,playback |
| [00:17:15] | jya: | just play the file ; there would be something like AFD: blah ... AO: blah |
| [00:17:19] | jya: | when the audio is initialised |
| [00:17:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | Seeker`, the flagger should already be doing aspect ratio change detection. |
| [00:18:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | both letterbox/pillarbox detection and physical aspect ratio changes. does the video frame size change? |
| [00:18:37] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: atm I'm not even touching the flagger, I'm just trying to work out how on earth I can detect what is happening to the audio atm |
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| [00:19:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | so you need to run with "-v audio,playback" and get better logs like jya mentioned. |
| [00:22:47] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: how do you combine all the detection method together? is it some kind of scoring system? |
| [00:23:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, yeah, scoring. |
| [00:24:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | different methods are different weights. it works on 'blocks' of video and scores the blocks as commercial/non-commercial. |
| [00:25:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | for things like aspect ratio. if the bulk of the video is 16:9 and small sections are 4:3, those arelikely commercials. if blocks have high rates of scene changes, they are likely commercial, etc.. |
| [00:25:21] | jya: | so if I was to create a dummy audio class that just check the change of audio type; give it a score it should "just work" ? |
| [00:25:24] | Seeker`: | started mythfrontend with -l ~/test.log -v audio,playback |
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| [00:25:35] | Seeker`: | just letting the file play until the first advert, then will upload the log |
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| [00:28:55] | Seeker`: | http://cjo20.net/test.log |
| [00:29:47] | Seeker`: | the advert begins at 00:27:09 (same time as the aspect ratio changes). My AV Receiver blips (looses audio, then restarts) at the same time, but I see no messages there that indicate what it is doing |
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| [00:31:06] | jya: | Seeker`: what does your amp show for the audio content before and after the ad? |
| [00:31:53] | jya: | as a side note, you should really upgrade your nvidia drivers, 260.19.06 isn't good |
| [00:32:21] | Seeker`: | jya: the same, Linear PCM [48] |
| [00:32:21] | MythLogBot: | SVN 48: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/02033c74 |
| [00:33:28] | Seeker`: | both using dolby pro logic |
| [00:33:52] | jya: | Seeker`: the audio format didn't change: mp2, 48kHz, stereo. However because there's a change in the video (aspect from 1.33 to 1.77), the audio is paused, and restarted again |
| [00:33:58] | jya: | which is why you see the drop on your amp |
| [00:34:04] | jya: | but no audio change |
| [00:34:11] | Seeker`: | jya: it happens even when the aspect ratio doesn't change |
| [00:34:28] | jya: | well, then the audio format could have changed |
| [00:34:35] | jya: | but here, you had no change in audio format |
| [00:34:56] | Seeker`: | looking at the logs, I don't think there was an audio format change |
| [00:35:02] | jya: | otherwise you'd read: "AFD: Audio format changed from xxxx to yyy |
| [00:35:16] | jya: | Seeker`: in this example, that's right, no audio change |
| [00:35:25] | Seeker`: | but there is *something* going on that triggers my amp to drop exclusively at ad boundrys |
| [00:35:56] | Seeker`: | the second example in the pastebin earlier shows a 16:9->16:9 transition, with -v audio,playback |
| [00:35:59] | jya: | before in pause mode, it used to continue and play silence, so you wouldn't have noticed anything on the amplifier. But now it stops differently |
| [00:36:26] | jya: | Seeker`: I've already mentioned why... |
| [00:36:36] | jya: | "he audio format didn't change: mp2, 48kHz, stereo. However because there's a change in the video (aspect from 1.33 to 1.77), the audio is paused, and restarted again" |
| [00:36:47] | jya: | audio is paused, then restarted. |
| [00:37:04] | jya: | that's what myth does when the video playback change |
| [00:37:18] | Seeker`: | # |
| [00:37:18] | Seeker`: | Advert end (16:9 program -> 16:9 adverts) : |
| [00:37:18] | Seeker`: | # |
| [00:37:18] | Seeker`: | 2011-03–22 00:14:31.643 Player(2): 800 interlaced frames seen. |
| [00:37:18] | Seeker`: | # |
| [00:37:20] | Seeker`: | 'video_output' mean = '40017.99', std. dev. = '2345.94', fps = '24.99' |
| [00:37:56] | Seeker`: | that is what appeared in the logs for one advert change, with -v playback,audio ; as far as I can see there is no reported change in audio format or aspect ratio to explain the drop in audio |
| [00:38:19] | jya: | do you read what people post by any chance ? |
| [00:39:00] | Seeker`: | when there is no aspect ratio or audio format change, what causes the audio to be paused? |
| [00:39:06] | jya: | aspect was 1.33333 first |
| [00:39:12] | jya: | at 00:27, it becomes 1.7777 |
| [00:39:29] | Seeker`: | no, I am talking about a different ad break, where the advert and program aspect ratios are the same |
| [00:39:29] | jya: | audio is paused, video is reorganised, audio is unpause |
| [00:39:42] | jya: | then post that log |
| [00:39:44] | markk_: | jya: why do you think the audio would be paused when the aspect ratio changes? |
| [00:39:56] | jya: | markk_: from the log. |
| [00:40:57] | jya: | I don't see anything else in that log related to the audi playback |
| [00:41:24] | jya: | audio got started , playback start, aspect ratio changed, |
| [00:41:53] | markk_: | jya: but there's nothing there about pausing the audio? and the code shouldn't be pausing the audio for an aspect ratio change. |
| [00:41:55] | jya: | from what I can see, there are no change going to the audio code |
| [00:42:37] | jya: | markk_: you're right.. I confused the stop audio code, for when he actually stopped playback |
| [00:43:15] | jya: | then I can't explain why his amp would stop... |
| [00:43:44] | jya: | would the amp (if hdmi) detects an aspect change? what's output is still 1920x1080 |
| [00:44:19] | markk_: | my guess is that the stream itself has a small audio discontinuity – although I'm not sure whether the mythtv side would note that if it wasn't big enough |
| [00:45:01] | jya: | markk_: did you change something in 0.24 recently? I don't see anymore "waiting 100ms..." bit in his log |
| [00:45:14] | Seeker`: | I just double checked, if there isn't an aspect ratio change it still happens, but nothing is mentioned in the logs. |
| [00:45:53] | Seeker`: | hmm, if it is something in the audio stream then I assume it is something that it should be possible to look for |
| [00:46:05] | jya: | Seeker`: what the amp receive when stereo is played (if you have disabled upmixing) is stereo PCM |
| [00:46:30] | jya: | it keeps playing constantly. no sure why your amp would notice a difference, but myth certainly isn't |
| [00:46:54] | markk_: | jya: probably the mark spieth changes that went in a day or so ago (buffering messages that is) |
| [00:47:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, sorry, had baby duty for a short while. it's not quite as easy aswhat you said, but not a huge amount of work if the audio class is there. there's a FrameInfoEntry class that has member vars for things like aspect, format, scenechangepercent,etc.. that would need an 'audiochannels' member. then that value needs to be set for every frame as the video is processed. then once it's done, inside GetCommercialBreakList |
| [00:47:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | (), you have to call something to build a comm break list from either just the audio or just add a new method to use only the audio channel flags to generate a break list. |
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| [00:48:12] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: could check more : change of codec, sampling rate, channels... |
| [00:48:33] | jya: | with AC3 or DTS could even check change in bitrates |
| [00:48:42] | jya: | I doubt this change within a movie |
| [00:49:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, yeah, all of those can be checked and added as flags or just a single flag "audio format changed". it shouldn't change much during the show itself. different commercials may have different values though. |
| [00:49:51] | jya: | I don't think adding a test for change of audio would be hard. I can write a dummy audio class if someone is willing to integrate it in the rest of it |
| [00:50:13] | Seeker`: | bah, amp doesn't drop out on *every* ad start/end, only the majority of them |
| [00:51:29] | jya: | how are you connected to it? hdmi or spdif ? |
| [00:51:33] | Seeker`: | hdmi |
| [00:52:10] | markk_: | jya: and I'm just about to add visualiser support to libmythtv – so would be fairly trivial to drop in a 'dummy' visualiser that just worked out the volume etc for silence/sound level detection |
| [00:52:53] | Seeker`: | I've been trying out the silence detector hack on the wiki, seems to work quite well if you lower the threshold slightly |
| [00:53:02] | Seeker`: | much better than any other method on UK TV anyway |
| [00:53:09] | jya: | markk_: my understanding is that during ads, the volume level itself doesn't change.. it just "appears" louder |
| [00:53:21] | Seeker`: | jya: the sound is more compressed I brlieve |
| [00:55:26] | Seeker`: | peak volume is the same, but everything is squashed into the 3db or so just below that |
| [00:55:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, if you add the audio class, I can take a look at or help someone else with adding code to the flagger to use the audio change info. |
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| [00:56:06] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: ok.. |
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| [00:56:58] | jya: | I want to add the ability to "bitstream" any codecs to the audio class, not just AC3 or DTS. So we can write dummy audio class used in transcode to get the original audio data |
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| [00:58:21] | sphery: | Seeker`: it's been said on the -users list that volume level drops to 0 at commercial breaks--and never does so in any show (even shows with silent sections)... don't know how reliable the source is, but... |
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| [00:59:28] | jya: | I guess once markk_ put that visualiser in, someone will get the tool to play and investigate that |
| [00:59:49] | Seeker`: | sphery: I've been playing with mp3splt, if you set the threshold to the minimum it misses breaks, but leave it at -70db and it detects some where there aren't any on some channels |
| [01:00:15] | Seeker`: | I think the threshold level will be different for each channel |
| [01:00:39] | Seeker`: | -70 seems to work well on C4 in the UK, but is too sensitive on Five |
| [01:00:46] | sphery: | Seeker`: heh, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/139020#139020 (last time I repeated what I heard) |
| [01:00:50] | sphery: | was in reference to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/85606#85606 |
| [01:01:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's something that the flagger can take into account. once the program is processed, look at the lowest point and look for occurrances of that within the video. that's the audio equivalent of the video "black/blank frame" |
| [01:04:14] | Seeker`: | sphery: cool |
| [01:10:55] | Seeker`: | spectral analysis may be the way to go, can pick out adverts gaps from a mile away |
| [01:11:11] | sphery: | and could help catch ghosts |
| [01:11:21] | wagnerrp: | enhance! |
| [01:12:10] | Seeker`: | sphery: that too! |
| [01:19:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, are you talking about something in programs/mythcommflag or in one of the libs? |
| [01:20:09] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: in reference to ? (sorry we talked about so much stuff, I lost track) |
| [01:20:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | sorry, the audio class. |
| [01:20:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | for flagging |
| [01:20:52] | jya: | if the passthrough of untouched audio content, this is to be added to the audio class, and modify avfd to recognise when not to decode audio |
| [01:21:06] | jya: | for flagging, the audio class would be in mythcomflag |
| [01:21:16] | jya: | similar to the one in mythtranscode (though simpler) |
| [01:22:00] | jya: | so mythtranscode create its own audio class, then assign it to mythplayer |
| [01:22:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, thought so. that's pretty simple. I'll take a look at it. I know both sets of code since I wrote most of the flagger and worked quite a bit in mythtranscode. |
| [01:22:51] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: if you re-use the mythtranscode audio class, almost everything is there.. only thing I would worry about is the Reconfigure member |
| [01:22:57] | jya: | everything else can do nothing |
| [01:23:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, I was just going to copy most of it over. |
| [01:23:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | most of it does nothing now. |
| [01:23:57] | jya: | I've made some changes yesterday to it, adding the missing functions and fix up what would have caused most problems |
| [01:24:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, saw those commits fly by. |
| [01:24:44] | jya: | I can add something that prevents avfd to decode the audio under all circumstances, so it will speed up the process |
| [01:25:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, but the flagger will eventually want the data if/when someone adds the silence, compression, etc. detection. |
| [01:26:20] | jya: | hum... pretty sure that SetAudioOutput is going to leak. |
| [01:26:43] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: then it would just be a matter of making the CanPassthrough member always return false |
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| [02:04:10] | wagnerrp: | hehe... libass |
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| [02:47:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: CSI: Miami from yesterday... They find a drug dealer's computer, but the hard drive is encrypted, and the DEA is swooping in trying to take the evidence for their case instead of the Miami murder case, so Delko clones the HDD (in seconds, while Horatio delays the DEA guys). Then, later, he's trying to figure out the password and he says, "But we only get 2 tries before the hard drive erases itself." |
| [02:47:34] | sphery: | guess the HDD had the "copy once" flag set |
| [02:47:58] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [02:48:07] | wagnerrp: | well to be fair, doesnt TPM have something like that? |
| [02:48:30] | wagnerrp: | the keys are locked within the module, with anti-tamper mechanisms |
| [02:48:52] | sphery: | but if he could clone it once, why not clone it multiple times so that he can still get to it even if they guess wrong 2x |
| [02:49:51] | wagnerrp: | well in the above scenario, they simply wouldnt be able to clone it |
| [02:49:59] | wagnerrp: | the data itself would be there |
| [02:50:07] | wagnerrp: | but the hardware containing the key would have self destructed |
| [02:50:22] | wagnerrp: | of course they wouldnt have been able to have their own copy of it will giving the original to the DEA |
| [02:51:19] | sphery: | right |
| [02:51:42] | sphery: | either way the "only get 2 tries" part breaks down |
| [02:51:53] | sphery: | should be 0 tries (no data) or infinite |
| [02:52:02] | sphery: | (with proper planning) |
| [03:14:18] | mag0o: | the dell laptops with wave encryption, for example, give you 5 tries before it sets a flag, then you have to hotswap the drive to unlock it (or power off/on), and then you get 5 more tries |
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| [03:14:40] | mag0o: | that's independant of the bios hdd password |
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| [08:16:00] | deegan: | Does anyone know of a good program for tuning dvb-s in linux? I'm mainly just interested in seeing the signal strength and not so interested in tuning channels. |
| [08:16:22] | wagnerrp: | femon i believe |
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| [08:17:29] | deegan: | wagnerrp: thanks i'll check that out. |
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| [08:21:25] | deegan: | ugh, compilation errors from hell. this might take a while. |
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| [08:37:20] | deegan: | this is so annoying, nothing on Horizontal polarity will lock in. |
| [08:39:16] | justinh: | btw femon is no use for actual tuning, only monitoring the status of a DVB frontend |
| [08:39:27] | justinh: | for tuning you need *zap* |
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| [08:39:44] | deegan: | yea i'm debugging my satellite connection because i cant tune some stuff |
| [08:39:45] | justinh: | i.e. tzap, szap or czap for terrestrial, satellite or cable respectively |
| [08:40:00] | deegan: | Sepcificaly i can't tune anything on Horizontal, Vertical works fine. |
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| [08:45:54] | deegan: | hrms that's not entirely true, there are a few Vertical scans i can't do either. Could the dish have moved a tad and i'm missing these frequensies because of that? Is that even possible. |
| [08:46:12] | deegan: | I always thought that when it comes to dvb-s you either have a lock or you dont. |
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| [08:46:35] | justinh: | if your dish isn't aimed right it's still possible to get *some* stuff |
| [08:46:38] | deegan: | and the farther away from a good lock you go the shitier the reception with blocking and stuff that follows. |
| [08:46:47] | justinh: | watch your language please |
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| [08:47:01] | justinh: | you're right though – you either get a lock or you don't |
| [08:47:17] | justinh: | no lock, you can't even get an error-strewn signal |
| [08:47:32] | deegan: | sorry. Well there has been tons of snow and i have been up there quite a few times, it's possible i have nudged it a millimeter or so. |
| [08:47:48] | justinh: | you need a lock first, then you're looking for zero UNC – uncorrectable errors – then you're after a BER (bit error rate) as low as possible |
| [08:47:57] | deegan: | And the milliondollar question is: did i nudge it east or west. |
| [08:48:33] | deegan: | or is it the elevation that's wrong. :| |
| [08:49:06] | justinh: | I wouldn't like to try aligning a digital sat dish without proper equipment |
| [08:49:42] | deegan: | Last time i did it using my iPhone + iSSH. |
| [08:49:55] | justinh: | analogue was easy enough – we just waved the dish around with a receiver tuned to a known frequency & looked at a TV we put in the window ;) |
| [08:50:04] | deegan: | :) |
| [08:50:17] | justinh: | wouldn't like to drop an iphone from a ladder. pricey |
| [08:50:18] | deegan: | Well this is on my roof. I really should be me a netbook for this. |
| [08:50:51] | deegan: | Or just "call the guy" and pay up for not anchoring the dish hard enough allowing it to move. |
| [08:51:40] | deegan: | But atleast i know that dvb-s can give me a less than perfect signal and still be able to tune some of the available frequensies. |
| [08:52:22] | deegan: | Because that makes me think the dish is not correctly aligned any more since i have had 0 and no problems with reception up until a few weeks ago and now i cant tune many of the channels i used to have. |
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| [08:59:16] | justinh: | or maybe the coax is stuffed :) |
| [08:59:22] | justinh: | or just the connectors |
| [08:59:26] | justinh: | maybe it was a bad crimp |
| [08:59:45] | justinh: | maybe the LNB connection wasn't sealed properly & water got in |
| [09:00:01] | justinh: | maybe your PC PSU has a droppy 12V rail |
| [09:00:53] | justinh: | you've got some investigation to do... start with another sat receiver or a card in a different machine – maybe even try a different piece of coax |
| [09:02:04] | deegan: | so many maybe's. |
| [09:02:15] | justinh: | there are a lot of variables to consider |
| [09:02:35] | justinh: | we've had folks in here with dvb-s problems caused by PSU noise & all kinds of crap |
| [09:11:47] | justinh: | ooo naughty user on -dev talking about FiveHD |
| [09:12:07] | justinh: | there's NO way he's got hardware decryption working on that. NO fricken way |
| [09:16:17] | mycosys: | why are some of you guys so self righteous about a broken,corrupt and unjust copyright system? |
| [09:16:43] | justinh: | if it's unjust, get it changed. don't do anything else |
| [09:17:53] | justinh: | if mythtv is challenged legally, for being seen to encourage what some outfits call theft (that's not for us to debate), that'll be the end of mythtv |
| [09:18:16] | justinh: | that's the long & the short of it |
| [09:18:27] | justinh: | nobody wants mythtv to be the test case |
| [09:19:51] | justinh: | yes the rules are silly & restrictive, but they can't be so bad because the companies doing it are still making money. If people won't wake up & smell the stench of corruption spoiling it for the rest of us, that's not this project's problem |
| [09:20:59] | justinh: | so THAT is what our 'self righteousness' is all about |
| [09:24:08] | justinh: | this 'digital' future we've all embraced way too readily is making even more restrictive practises possible too. Go us! |
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| [09:34:53] | deegan: | hrms, I'm seriously considering going iptv or even dvb-t. Satbeeper was chooing away on my scans. |
| [09:36:06] | justinh: | LOL. IPTV is another 'great' thing lots of people mistake as being *open* – presumably because of the 'internet protocol' part. Doesn't mean it won't be bound to propriatary hardware & software :D |
| [09:36:58] | deegan: | I'm mostly looking at the benefits of me not having to align a dish with less than acceptable hardware to do so. |
| [09:37:02] | justinh: | in some parts of the world it means you can point any old thing at a stream & you get everything you pay for. In other places.. you can't even get the free stuff :( The UK is one of those places |
| [09:37:29] | justinh: | aligning a DVB-T antenna can be tricky too – especially if there's no analogue TV coming from the local transmitter |
| [09:37:56] | deegan: | Well screw IPtv, the prices are redonk. |
| [09:38:00] | deegan: | sorry again. |
| [09:38:10] | justinh: | think it's ok to say screw |
| [09:38:20] | justinh: | maybe depends on the context |
| [09:41:22] | deegan: | What dvb-s really got going for it though, for me atleast, is the "freedome" to chose 1, 2 or even 3 different sources. I have to pay up of course but it does give me more choice and i'm really not the tv-watching-guy unless it's sports – so i can get all the sport from 2 different operators which would not be possible for me with either dvb-t or iptv. not today atleast. |
| [09:41:33] | deegan: | However when stuff like this happens it's really annoying. |
| [09:41:56] | justinh: | if you can get or borrow another receiver to check the cabling/dish that'll save you a lot of time |
| [09:42:37] | deegan: | Yea been down that road when i did this install, no one had nothing to borrow me. Maybe just call the guy and get it sorted. |
| [09:44:00] | deegan: | huh, whats all this then. It looks on a frequency i didnt get a lock on previously. |
| [09:44:22] | justinh: | what sort of numbers are you getting from zap / femon ? |
| [09:44:49] | deegan: | I was up there in between this chat and the one before, the Diseq switch was not seated properly and the casing was loose. put it all back together but my iphone+issh didnt really show me anything new. |
| [09:45:04] | justinh: | should be aiming for UNC or zero for sure |
| [09:45:14] | justinh: | BER should ideally be zero too :) |
| [09:45:32] | deegan: | I'll have a look at that once i get through scanning with mythtv-setup. |
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| [09:46:16] | deegan: | The thing was really tight up there though, the dish that is. Tried to push and pull on it but it wouldnt nudge so it seems unlikely that i would have accidentaly moved it while carefully shoveling snow if the LNB's this winter. |
| [09:47:07] | deegan: | but i'm not one to dismiss someting like that just because it seems unlikely, stranger things have happened. |
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| [11:55:31] | jcarlos_: | I run mythbackend in one machine (no physical screen here), and mythfrontend in another machine (plugged by HDMI to my TV screen). I can see a video in that screen and listen to its audio track there. I would like to use a third machine (my netbook) to listen a different audio track for the same video (matroska format). How could I do this ? I want to be able to see a film in one screen and listen to it in two different langua |
| [12:00:25] | justinh: | simple answer: you can't do that |
| [12:00:47] | jcarlos_: | justinh: Hehe ... I tried it ... :-( |
| [12:01:19] | justinh: | you could do it with different instances of mythfrontend I guess, but keeping them in sync will be impossible |
| [12:01:49] | jcarlos_: | justinh: Yes ... I thought to use another mythfrontend instance ... but the syncing was the problem ... |
| [12:02:22] | justinh: | or.. maybe you could un-mux the audio, then make a new file with one language on the left side & another language on the right :P |
| [12:02:58] | justinh: | you'd likely be able to hack mythtv to be able to do that too, but it's not something many people would use IMHO |
| [12:03:21] | jcarlos_: | justinh: Hehe ... I want to be able to use two diferente audio outputs (one in my desktop machine, connected to my TV, and one in my netbook) |
| [12:04:20] | jcarlos_: | justinh: Well ... it is a good way to see a TV serie with another person each one in his/her prefered language ... |
| [12:05:16] | jcarlos_: | justinh: And you could use a mobile (android?) instead of a netbook ... |
| [12:07:58] | jcarlos_: | justinh: mythbackend should be able to stream each audio track to a different IP ... |
| [12:10:54] | jcarlos_: | justinh: Would it be possible, at least, to use a frontend only to listen to an audio track of a video (no need to full the local network with video data) ... |
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| [12:43:43] | justinh: | wait a sec.. mythbackend *should* ? No, mythbackend isn't designed to do that. It's a very edgy use case |
| [12:44:04] | justinh: | anyway mythbackend streams the whole file. the *player* picks the streams out |
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| [12:46:51] | justinh: | the easiest way to do what you want is to recode the files |
| [12:47:07] | justinh: | otherwise you've got some serious hacking to do in mythfrontend code |
| [12:47:15] | justinh: | yes, I said *you* :-) |
| [12:48:40] | justinh: | wowser, looks like mythtvtalk.com is in financial doodoo |
| [12:49:14] | justinh: | still, always wondered how it ends up costing so much money to run a forum. I'd never dig in my own pocket to fund anything like that |
| [12:50:42] | justinh: | intel dual xeon.. 768MB Ram, 60GB RAID 10, 1000GB bandwidth.. 4 IPs... sheesh man no forum needs that surely |
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| [13:40:02] | jcarlos_: | justinh: What do you mean by "recode the file" ? Extract the audio track and create a new file with those data ? |
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| [13:41:30] | justinh: | yes |
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| [16:06:54] | skd5aner: | heh – "existing libfftw3 support in configure appears to be a hangover from previous code, it isn't actually used for anything else" – from Markk's recent commit – I always wondered what that was there for exactly – apparently, nothing (for a while at least) |
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| [16:23:26] | wagnerrp: | audio stretch, and visualization in mythmusic |
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| [18:10:53] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yup, I knew it was used for mythplugins, but are you sure it was used in mythtv? |
| [18:11:08] | skd5aner: | for audio stretch? |
| [18:11:10] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/325097#325097 |
| [18:11:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i asked once |
| [18:11:17] | skd5aner: | cool |
| [18:11:19] | sphery: | there were 2 different ones in use |
| [18:11:24] | sphery: | fftw3f for mythtv |
| [18:11:29] | sphery: | and fftw3 for mythmusic |
| [18:11:36] | sphery: | don't know what's current |
| [18:11:46] | sphery: | but eventually, we should go to the ffmpeg/libav one |
| [18:11:47] | wagnerrp: | it was used to resample the audio so it could be rate changed without changing the pitch |
| [18:12:32] | skd5aner: | thanks for the clarification |
| [18:12:37] | skd5aner: | perhaps Mark just missed that fact :) |
| [18:12:54] | wagnerrp: | it was used, i dont know if it is still used |
| [18:13:01] | skd5aner: | btw – in configure, I think it defaults to disable, so how does time stretch use it if it's disabled? |
| [18:13:16] | skd5aner: | I always have to manually put --enable-libfftw in the config line |
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| [18:13:58] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: maybe it was replaced or something – either way, was just curious why I had hear the descrepency a few times |
| [18:15:03] | sphery: | I'll look to see which we're using, where, now, and then ask if we're still planning to consolidate on the ffmpeg/libav one (a lib which is always available to us) |
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| [19:13:22] | skd5aner: | sphery: cool – when you find out something, do you mind making sure the statement I placed here (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0. . . . ite_Changes) is accruate? |
| [19:13:49] | sphery: | sure |
| [19:13:54] | skd5aner: | thanks :D |
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| [19:50:12] | keith4: | is there a UPnP client plugin for mythfrontend? |
| [19:51:57] | keith4: | I was just looking at the list of grabbers for MythNetvision, and wondering how hard it would be to add a python upnp client as a grabber |
| [19:53:08] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt work that way |
| [19:53:24] | wagnerrp: | at best, you would have to download the files locally before playback could start |
| [19:54:04] | wagnerrp: | better to use it as a ui framework for writing a proper plugin |
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| [19:59:26] | squidly: | does the hd-pvr capture HD stuff like 720P and keep it at 720P? |
| [19:59:39] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [19:59:48] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR captures video at whatever resolution the device sends |
| [19:59:58] | wagnerrp: | if your device sends 720p, it will capture and compress 720p |
| [20:01:06] | squidly: | ok cool. I was under the impression it would only capture at 1080i |
| [20:01:19] | wagnerrp: | it can capture at up to 1080i |
| [20:01:54] | squidly: | I thought 720p was higher then 1080i |
| [20:02:31] | wagnerrp: | how could that be the case? |
| [20:03:44] | skd5aner: | I suppose if you don't deinterlace |
| [20:03:55] | skd5aner: | 540 displayed lines vs 720 |
| [20:04:03] | skd5aner: | not sure why you'd ever do that though |
| [20:04:13] | wagnerrp: | 1920 columns instead of 1280 |
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| [20:05:27] | skd5aner: | I'm not arguing – I'm just relaying the argument I've heard everything the 720p v 1080i debate comes up |
| [20:05:34] | skd5aner: | er, everytime |
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| [20:07:11] | skd5aner: | I suppose, "higher quality" would also depend on native resolution of the TV, what resolution you are feeding, and the scaler you are using (software/hardware/built-in TV scaler) |
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| [20:19:59] | messerting: | Hi, I'm using .24-fixes from svn. In mythgallery, when I try to view a movie (.AVI), I get a white screen. If I symlink that movie to .avi, it works just fine |
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| [20:21:34] | messerting: | So, I tried to manually add .AVI (capital letters) in GalleryUtil::GetMovieFilter(void) in galleryutil.cpp, but that didn't help... |
| [20:21:39] | messerting: | any suggestions? :) |
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| [20:24:24] | wagnerrp: | thats because in IsMovie, the file is automatically lowered |
| [20:24:30] | wagnerrp: | so capitalization makes no difference |
| [20:25:03] | messerting: | wagnerrp: ah, ok. So, how do I make it accept capital extensions? |
| [20:25:17] | wagnerrp: | the code looks like it is already supposed to |
| [20:26:04] | keith4: | wagnerrp: does that mean that the youtube grabber downloads the entire video before playback starts? |
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| [20:26:24] | wagnerrp: | keith4: no, the youtube grabber opens a webpage with the youtube flash player |
| [20:26:35] | wagnerrp: | the flash player then manages streaming download and playback of the video |
| [20:26:45] | keith4: | ah |
| [20:26:56] | messerting: | hm, strange. For me it really doesn't work for .AVI. But if I do "ln -s file.AVI file.avi" it works just fine for file.avi. |
| [20:27:09] | keith4: | messerting: so rename them all to .avi? ;-) |
| [20:27:28] | wagnerrp: | messerting: can we see your frontend logs? |
| [20:27:44] | messerting: | keith4: yeah, I've given that a thought, but this is really my family backup store, which is automatically synced to a remote server, so... |
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| [20:28:18] | keith4: | messerting: ah, crappy. lowercase: it's a way of life |
| [20:28:30] | Number6: | Hi. How can I get MythTV to "look" to the correct place to serve video files? Can it be done by ssh – using the GUI is slow |
| [20:28:49] | messerting: | keith4: yes, I agree. I'd never named it .AVI myself, but that's how digikam retrieves stuff from my camera |
| [20:29:04] | wagnerrp: | Number6: mythbackend will serve videos from the Videos storage group |
| [20:29:09] | wagnerrp: | as defined in mythtv-setup |
| [20:29:24] | Number6: | wagnerrp: I've added it to that storage group |
| [20:29:36] | squidly: | ok so 720p has more lines? |
| [20:29:40] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted the backend so it accepts the new definition? |
| [20:30:09] | squidly: | ahh ok I see now.. |
| [20:30:10] | wagnerrp: | squidly: 720p has 720 lines per frame, 1080i and 1080p both have 1080 lines per frame |
| [20:30:12] | Number6: | wagnerrp: Yes |
| [20:30:30] | wagnerrp: | Number6: have you told mythvideo to scan for new content on the updated folder definition? |
| [20:30:52] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Scanning_for_Videos |
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| [20:31:54] | Number6: | wagnerrp: Forgive my ignorance, what is a "view"? |
| [20:33:01] | wagnerrp: | anything within Media Library -> Watch Videos |
| [20:34:27] | messerting: | Oh my, something is pretty fcuked up here: "Plugin mythmovies (0.23.1.201000710–1) binary version does not match libraries (0.24.20101129–1)" |
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| [20:35:19] | Number6: | wagnerrp: Is there a way to force the "Menu" button via keyboard? |
| [20:36:11] | messerting: | My frontend log doesn't report anything when I start the .AVI, while the .avi reports usual mplayer stuff |
| [20:36:33] | keith4: | messerting: sounds like you need a new version of mythvideo |
| [20:36:53] | messerting: | btw – mythmovies is deprecated, right? I can simply remove that plugin? |
| [20:37:44] | messerting: | keith4: I'm running latest svn version of .24-fixes. Last change in december 2010 iirc |
| [20:38:08] | keith4: | oh, oh. mythMOVIES. yikes. |
| [20:38:29] | Number6: | Never mind, it's the letter m |
| [20:38:50] | messerting: | maybe I should remove /usr/local/lib64/mythtv/plugins/libmythmovies.so? yes? |
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| [20:45:01] | sphery: | messerting: if you're on 0.24-fixes, then yes |
| [20:45:39] | sphery: | mythmovies was removed, so any libmythmovies.so on a system running 0.24-fixes is from an old install that wasn't properly cleaned up |
| [20:45:49] | messerting: | ok. done. but it won't fix my .avi/.AVI problem I guess |
| [20:46:26] | sphery: | no... though it could cause other problems since mythfrontend would try to load it (and realize it's the wrong version) |
| [20:48:40] | sphery: | messerting: which version of mythtv... sounds like http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9288 , which was fixed a couple months ago |
| [20:48:55] | sphery: | but after 0.24 release |
| [20:49:25] | messerting: | sphery: Revision: 27420, Last Changed Date: 2010-12–02 |
| [20:49:32] | skd5aner: | too old |
| [20:49:33] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [20:49:35] | sphery: | messerting: yeah, that's too old |
| [20:49:41] | sphery: | messerting: ubuntu? |
| [20:49:49] | sphery: | if so: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [20:50:07] | messerting: | no, Fedora, but I build myself. Or, rather – fail to do so I guess! |
| [20:50:12] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:50:19] | sphery: | the critical point is that we're now on git |
| [20:50:34] | sphery: | see http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ and follow instructions for cloning stable |
| [20:50:44] | messerting: | uh, okay... so my "svn up" doesn't really do nada. Okay! |
| [20:50:50] | sphery: | right :) |
| [20:51:03] | messerting: | sphery: thanks, I'll get this sorted out now :) |
| [20:51:09] | sphery: | btw, your version is 3 days too old for that fix :) |
| [20:51:18] | sphery: | so you just missed it |
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| [20:51:35] | sphery: | will still be good to get all the /other/ 200-some fixes, though |
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| [20:52:07] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes &n dash; 241 of them |
| [20:52:11] | messerting: | tough race! |
| [20:52:15] | sphery: | anyway, good luck and enjoy learning about git |
| [20:52:21] | messerting: | thanks :) |
| [20:52:39] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh, I always wondered what the precise value of the unit "some" was |
| [20:52:49] | sphery: | 41 seems wrong, though... shouldn't it be 42? |
| [20:52:57] | skd5aner: | 194 more actually |
| [20:53:08] | sphery: | 194 from his date? |
| [20:53:16] | sphery: | if so, maybe some = -6 |
| [20:53:19] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea – those are "my" numbers – I can guarentee they don't align to the integer shown on the --version |
| [20:53:33] | skd5aner: | or the git describe – wherever that is |
| [20:53:38] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:53:54] | sphery: | yeah, I'm really impressed you've been able to keep up the release notes documentation |
| [20:54:01] | skd5aner: | Because it counts from multiple branches too mythtv/master/fixes and mythtv/mythweb/fixes |
| [20:54:18] | sphery: | the web-based tools we have for the git repo are /very/ opaque compared to the SVN tools |
| [20:54:19] | skd5aner: | It's a struggle sometimes – github does me no favors :) |
| [20:54:39] | sphery: | (on client side, it's less opaque--but requires much more intimate knowledge of git) |
| [20:54:45] | skd5aner: | really – trackng fixes is the real challenge |
| [20:55:00] | skd5aner: | because I track every change that goes into -fixes |
| [20:55:09] | sphery: | yeah, hope it's better now that wagnerrp fixed commit hooks |
| [20:55:19] | skd5aner: | I only track the ones of "relevance" for the changelog |
| [20:55:36] | skd5aner: | a TON better – I think I told wagnerrp I owe him |
| [20:56:20] | skd5aner: | s/changelog/master development changelog |
| [20:57:54] | sphery: | heh, so, btw, got my latest internet bill, today, and it's for $41.95, not $50... So I think I'm still grandfathered into the earlier rate. |
| [20:58:45] | sphery: | rates in the brochure were effective Mar 1, and this was for up to Mar 20, so I'd think it would be > $41.95 if they were changing it |
| [20:58:48] | skd5aner: | #winning |
| [20:58:51] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:59:05] | sphery: | now just have to figure out what to do about cell phone :) |
| [20:59:39] | skd5aner: | haha – #winning exists and topic refers to Charlie Sheen's Twitter feed |
| [20:59:47] | sphery: | wow |
| [21:00:06] | sphery: | different definition of winning than I have |
| [21:00:23] | sphery: | though if they cancel 2 1/2 Men, I'll see that as a win |
| [21:00:31] | skd5aner: | That's the Hash Tag the Charlie has made infinitely popular |
| [21:00:42] | sphery: | ahhh |
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| [21:23:06] | Seeker`: | how good is bluray playback on mythtv bow? |
| [21:23:08] | Seeker`: | *now |
| [21:25:37] | wagnerrp: | if its AACS content, pretty good |
| [21:25:42] | wagnerrp: | if its BD+ content, not at all |
| [21:26:11] | Seeker`: | how much content is BD+? |
| [21:26:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | so there is no avoiding an anydvd subscription then... '-p |
| [21:26:19] | wagnerrp: | dont kno |
| [21:26:35] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: at current, pretty much |
| [21:26:52] | wagnerrp: | anydvd, or makemkv, or one or two other proprietary for-cost programs |
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| [21:34:26] | Seeker`: | do disk folder structures work with storage groups yet? |
| [21:34:42] | wagnerrp: | as in, VIDEO_TS and BDMV? |
| [21:34:43] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [21:34:50] | Seeker`: | \o/ |
| [21:35:01] | wagnerrp: | and DVD ISOs work as well (but not BD ISOs) |
| [21:35:11] | Seeker`: | just as a finished transcoding all of my VIDEO_TS DVDs to .m4v |
| [21:35:15] | wagnerrp: | note that they require the content to be decrypted |
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| [21:35:38] | wagnerrp: | just? this was fixed like six months ago |
| [21:36:54] | sphery: | I think the part he's missing is the "must be unencrypted" part... that hasn't changed (at least for DVDs) |
| [21:38:11] | Seeker`: | just to be clear, will the results of using the DumpHD instructions on the wiki be useable with storage groups? |
| [21:39:03] | wagnerrp: | with a BDMV folder, they should |
| [21:39:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not currently support HDDVD folder structures |
| [21:39:22] | wagnerrp: | (and likely never will) |
| [21:40:02] | Seeker`: | tempted by http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172638 |
| [21:43:24] | messerting: | Simple question: after mythtv moved to git, where is mythweb located? |
| [21:43:34] | wagnerrp: | on git |
| [21:43:48] | wagnerrp: | its now in its own repo |
| [21:43:54] | wagnerrp: | since mythweb really wasnt a plugin |
| [21:44:13] | messerting: | wagnerrp: ok, thanks |
| [21:44:13] | wagnerrp: | and as such didnt need the similar in-tree compilation as the other plugins |
| [21:44:21] | wagnerrp: | there was no need for it to remain there |
| [21:44:34] | wagnerrp: | and being in its own repository had other advantages preferred by the maintainer |
| [21:45:23] | messerting: | makes sense |
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| [21:49:28] | sphery: | messerting: if you click on Browse Source from Trac ( http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ ), it takes you to github's MythTV/mythtv repo ( https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/ ). To get to other MythTV repos, click on "MythTV" by the smiley in the upper left of the page, then you can select mythweb and get the clone location for that repo |
| [21:50:17] | sphery: | messerting: it's important, though, that you specify you want the fixes/0.24 branch when getting mythweb (or that you explicitly check it out after cloning without it) |
| [21:50:46] | sphery: | so, git clone -b fixes/0.24 <clone URI, as from github> |
| [21:50:57] | messerting: | sphery: thanks, I was a bit unsure about the branch |
| [21:51:12] | wagnerrp: | right, when you clone git, you get the /whole/ thing |
| [21:51:19] | wagnerrp: | all branches, all commits, through all time |
| [21:51:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning you can move around within it at will once you have the (rather large) repository downloaded |
| [21:51:46] | sphery: | heh, yeah, it's the same as for mythtv, but it may not be obvious that you need the -b fixes/0.24 for mythweb, too, since we don't list that explicitly |
| [21:52:03] | ** sphery considers adding the separate clone line to trac homepage ** | |
| [21:52:19] | messerting: | If you hadn't told me, I'd surely just done git clone <url> |
| [21:52:26] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:52:35] | wagnerrp: | which isnt a problem at all |
| [21:52:37] | sphery: | not as big a deal if done with mythweb, since it won't upgrade your db |
| [21:52:41] | wagnerrp: | since youre still downloading all the same files |
| [21:52:52] | wagnerrp: | you would just need to do 'git checkout fixes/0.24' afterwards |
| [21:53:00] | sphery: | but with mythtv, if you do that and forget to do an explicit git checkout fixes/0.24, before building, you'll install unstable |
| [21:54:02] | messerting: | see |
| [21:54:36] | wagnerrp: | on #9683, why is the user running the 169.254 address space? |
| [21:55:09] | sphery: | there, added mythweb to the trac page |
| [22:02:13] | sphery: | so, now that the PHP language source code contains tons of trojan horses, guess kormoc has to finally switch mythweb to Python |
| [22:02:58] | sphery: | (btw, that's a joke--no evidence of code tampering was found after the security fail) |
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| [22:09:19] | wagnerrp: | we cant use python |
| [22:09:23] | wagnerrp: | never trust the guido |
| [22:17:34] | messerting: | Building .24 stable from git worked, and fixed my problem with blank screen on video playback of capatilized extension files in mythgallery. Thanks folks! |
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| [22:37:40] | judget: | what is the backend daemion that myth uses for streaming the video? |
| [22:42:16] | sphery: | right now mythbackend is a single monolithic program |
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