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| [02:23:31] | mag0o: | ok, so after installing the nvidia blob and passing --enable-vdpau I still get 'no' to VDPAU Support with configure...any ideas? I probably missed something after rebuilding the laptop but can't think of anything for the life of me |
| [02:23:56] | [R]: | you need the vdpau libs and headers |
| [02:24:52] | mag0o: | doh! |
| [02:24:54] | mag0o: | spot on |
| [02:25:12] | mag0o: | that's what it was last time, thanks |
| [02:26:06] | mag0o: | thanks [R] |
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| [07:48:15] | Gumby: | hi all. justinh suggested I use something called eit2xmltv or something along those lines a few days ago (Mar 15 00:44:09 <justinh> i.e. eit2xmltv or whatever it's called) does anyone know the exact name of it? Been looking but cant seem to find it |
| [07:48:43] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to use EITanything |
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| [07:51:09] | wagnerrp: | Gumby: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| [07:52:13] | Gumby: | wagnerrp: I am pointed at two satellites. The 9 day EIT only comes from one of those satellites |
| [07:52:17] | Gumby: | but is for both |
| [07:52:41] | wagnerrp: | so ignore the whole thing and use schedules direct |
| [07:53:08] | Gumby: | well, in the past that has proved to not always be correct. especially if channels get moved around |
| [07:53:23] | Gumby: | with 0.23 I could use cross source eit and that worked well |
| [07:53:56] | Gumby: | unfortunately it has been removed from 0.24 |
| [07:54:38] | Gumby: | I figured I'd look into justinh's suggestion of this "eit2xml" |
| [07:54:52] | Gumby: | sorry, eit2xmltv |
| [07:55:14] | justinh: | oh you're in the states? pfft.. SD all the way then |
| [07:55:23] | Gumby: | lol |
| [07:55:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, shaw cable, hes canadian |
| [07:55:42] | justinh: | if you can get SD, get it |
| [07:55:45] | justinh: | basically :) |
| [07:56:25] | Gumby: | I get/got it. And I've used it in the past as mentioned. But its not always accurate as sometimes satellite channels are moved around |
| [07:56:49] | justinh: | but even using an eit to xmltv script you'd still have a headache |
| [07:57:58] | Gumby: | ok |
| [07:58:00] | Gumby: | thx |
| [07:58:05] | justinh: | anyway I didn't think you lot could get much worth watching from satellite |
| [07:58:18] | justinh: | certainly not FTA anyhow |
| [07:58:52] | wagnerrp: | some network feeds, foreign language stuff, shopping, religious, nasa |
| [07:59:11] | justinh: | like I said, much worth watching |
| [07:59:18] | wagnerrp: | although having EIT data from one bird available from another |
| [07:59:23] | wagnerrp: | sounds like some sort of service |
| [07:59:32] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know anyone offered straight DVB-S over here |
| [07:59:40] | Gumby: | there's lots out there if you think it is worth looking for it |
| [08:00:00] | Gumby: | most people dont though |
| [08:00:17] | justinh: | I've looked at the lyngsat site for that & just thought MEH |
| [08:13:25] | ** justinh wonders if anybody's had a stab at making mythcenter icons for paul yet ** | |
| [08:16:48] | justinh: | btw is it just me or has the move to git made reading -commits less fun? |
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| [08:20:12] | justinh: | "Fix for mutli-screen setups applied in 4322464f6bd4f5a2c26a". Ouch |
| [08:21:02] | justinh: | 4322464f6bd4f5a2c26a ?! Git might be 'better' than trac in many ways but that isn't one of them |
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| [08:28:12] | kormoc: | git makes -commits practically useless |
| [08:29:38] | justinh: | it used to be much easier to keep up with changes just by looking at the subjects |
| [08:30:13] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [08:30:20] | kormoc: | oh wells. It's bed time. Night! |
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| [11:34:26] | xyzabc: | how do I fix fast forwad and rewind, they used to work, but a number of releases ago they changed to just skipping a certain amount of time. this is a pain in the butt |
| [11:36:28] | xyzabc: | I tried editing the lirc file and changed the left and right keys to < and >, but still no good |
| [11:36:29] | myco: | myth has both – look in the keybindings |
| [11:36:46] | myco: | aka edit keys |
| [11:37:08] | myco: | i have both configured on diff keys |
| [11:37:46] | xyzabc: | I looked at the keybindings in mythweb and FFWDSTICKY is maked to .,> and RWDSTICKY is mapped to ,,< |
| [11:38:50] | xyzabc: | do I need to restart the server if I change the key bindings |
| [11:38:56] | justinh: | huh? no |
| [11:39:29] | xyzabc: | yeah just trying to figure out why things do seem to make sense |
| [11:39:50] | xyzabc: | the lirc file in .mythtv/lircrc is used right |
| [11:40:26] | justinh: | can't remember the last time I used ffw or rew |
| [11:40:41] | xyzabc: | you use the skipping crud |
| [11:40:46] | justinh: | maybe it was on a VCR, about 8 years ago |
| [11:40:52] | xyzabc: | the keys are not even symetric |
| [11:41:02] | justinh: | not by default, no |
| [11:41:08] | justinh: | but you can set them to whatever you want |
| [11:41:15] | xyzabc: | you try to skipp a commercial and it always goes into the show, then you skip back slowing and see all the show |
| [11:41:25] | justinh: | sigh |
| [11:42:02] | xyzabc: | how do you fix them so they are symetric at least |
| [11:42:18] | justinh: | er.. in the playback profile settings IIRC |
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| [11:44:15] | xyzabc: | it seems like in the lircrc file you can map the remote to both keys or command names. is that the case and if so what is the benifit to mapping them to keys rather than directly to command names |
| [11:44:17] | justinh: | oh wait playback *groups* |
| [11:44:44] | justinh: | no you cannot map them to command names |
| [11:45:11] | xyzabc: | o.k. I guess Right is just the name of the arrow key I see |
| [11:45:20] | xyzabc: | thought I saw somethign different |
| [11:45:49] | xyzabc: | yeah how about SEEK-60 |
| [11:45:56] | justinh: | eh? |
| [11:46:11] | justinh: | I dunno where you got your lircrc file |
| [11:46:20] | xyzabc: | it is an old one |
| [11:46:42] | xyzabc: | that might have been under mplayer |
| [11:47:09] | xyzabc: | yeah I guess that is mplayer stuff, but still :volume -1 |
| [11:48:21] | justinh: | so, to make yer skipping symmetrical... not that it's something you *really* want to do practically |
| [11:48:47] | justinh: | utils/setup > setup > TV settings > playback groups.. |
| [11:50:25] | justinh: | the default skip settings aren't symettrical for good reason |
| [11:50:44] | ** justinh is very glad some people don't make major design decisions for mythtv ;-) ** | |
| [11:52:09] | xyzabc: | does not appear to be a skip time for these in that menu |
| [11:52:53] | justinh: | if you've not set up any extra playback groups you need to go into *Default* |
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| [11:58:31] | xyzabc: | if I change the lircrc I assume I need to restart the frontend. Found the groups settings, maybe if I custmize it that will work quiet a bit better |
| [11:59:28] | justinh: | yeah you need to restart mythfrontend when you change anything in the lircrc file. it's only ever read once |
| [12:09:28] | xyzabc: | any idea what the repeat=3 in the lircrc file means |
| [12:09:38] | justinh: | yup |
| [12:09:43] | justinh: | I read the lirc docs |
| [12:09:47] | xyzabc: | what |
| [12:10:20] | justinh: | http://lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircrc_format |
| [12:15:51] | xyzabc: | interesting |
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| [12:36:04] | xyzabc: | the repeat option helps a lot |
| [12:36:34] | justinh: | unless you have a harmony remote – which helpfully limits the repeat rate itself. Boo! |
| [12:36:47] | xyzabc: | no, don't have harmony |
| [12:37:13] | justinh: | you can only turn down the inter-key delay to 100ms :-( |
| [12:37:25] | xyzabc: | where is that |
| [12:37:34] | justinh: | on the harmony remotes I mean |
| [12:38:02] | xyzabc: | I see, that stinks I have the old radioshack remote that I saw recommened somewhere it really rocks |
| [12:38:06] | justinh: | mind, any faster than that & my 515 would likely just crash faster & more often |
| [12:38:48] | xyzabc: | what do most people do for IR receiver. I am using the one on my old pvr250 which is useless except for that now |
| [12:39:16] | justinh: | I suspect the majority of people use MCE remotes & receivers |
| [12:39:25] | justinh: | or whatever junk they get with their tuner card |
| [12:40:26] | xyzabc: | yeah I guess I saved a couple bucks. i was able to map all the keys on the radio shack remote using unused portions of the frequency range for the one that came with the tuner card. worked out very well |
| [12:40:31] | wagnerrp: | i seriously dont know how you ever managed to crash your remote |
| [12:40:41] | wagnerrp: | ive never had any kind of problems like that |
| [12:40:44] | justinh: | wagnerrp: it happens |
| [12:40:53] | xyzabc: | ha |
| [12:41:05] | justinh: | and plenty people say it never happened to them too, but there are reports of harmony remotes locking up on the interwebs |
| [12:41:23] | xyzabc: | impossible |
| [12:41:47] | wagnerrp: | i mean four of them over five years, im surprised ive never seen it |
| [12:42:08] | xyzabc: | why so many |
| [12:42:27] | justinh: | I've had my remote lock up a few times in the last few months where it'll get stuck sending a button I've held down to scroll or something |
| [12:42:38] | wagnerrp: | upgrades, and they have a nasty habit of losing buttons after a few years |
| [12:42:42] | justinh: | the only way out of that is to flick a battery out & power cycle it |
| [12:42:46] | wagnerrp: | and this is for two tvs |
| [12:43:50] | xyzabc: | I have had my cheapo radioshack remote forever |
| [12:44:15] | justinh: | I'd still be using the OFA-6 if it had enough buttons |
| [12:44:27] | justinh: | or at least adequately named buttons |
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| [12:45:26] | xyzabc: | yeah the button names are a bit of an issue |
| [12:46:03] | xyzabc: | but after enough program surfing you forget about it and it becomes automatic |
| [12:47:33] | justinh: | no INFO key.. no GUIDE key.. meh |
| [12:48:02] | xyzabc: | of course now that my windows pc doesn't have a parallel port for programming it I'll have to see if I can do it from my linux box through virtual machine |
| [12:48:18] | justinh: | heh JP1.. |
| [12:48:23] | xyzabc: | yeah |
| [12:48:31] | justinh: | I bought a new OFA remote just for that. haven't got round to trying it out yet |
| [12:48:48] | justinh: | URC-7555 IIRC |
| [12:49:12] | xyzabc: | I almost feel like writing a native linux program to program it, but the windows excel one is hard to beat |
| [12:49:41] | xyzabc: | could write an open office version I suppose, but then what is the point |
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| [12:50:09] | wagnerrp: | programming through excel? now youre sounding like a hollywood writer |
| [12:50:29] | justinh: | I thought the excel thing was only for working out codes |
| [12:50:43] | xyzabc: | the the algorithmns to generate the code block to load on the remote if I recall correctly |
| [12:51:10] | xyzabc: | yes, I always have to do it in excel to get everything perfect |
| [12:51:18] | justinh: | IIRC remotemaster should 'just work' on linux |
| [12:52:23] | xyzabc: | welll the issue is that I have to capture some remotes codes on the jp1 remote upload them and edit things. the IR receiver I have won't capture any other signals |
| [12:52:37] | xyzabc: | at least as far as I know |
| [12:53:13] | justinh: | I managed to make my OFA remote control my cable box by learning it with a homebrew serial lirc receiver & doing some translation |
| [12:56:07] | xyzabc: | well doing the programing of my jp1 remote still requires the windows apps, but if I can run it in the virtual machine that is acceptable I guess |
| [12:56:19] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [12:56:52] | xyzabc: | how do you build the firmware code to load on it? |
| [12:57:40] | justinh: | you don't build firmware for the harmony |
| [12:57:41] | xyzabc: | haven't looked at it in a while, but there were macros etc. that needed to be configured |
| [12:57:44] | justinh: | it's all closed |
| [12:57:47] | xyzabc: | ahh you are talking harmeny I see |
| [12:58:00] | xyzabc: | can you program harmony from linux |
| [12:58:09] | justinh: | apparently, but I wouldn't want to try |
| [12:58:17] | wagnerrp: | technically you cant cant program a harmony from windows |
| [12:58:52] | xyzabc: | well how do you load on different devices that you download from their site |
| [12:59:08] | wagnerrp: | they have a web application that configures the remote and builds configuration files |
| [12:59:16] | xyzabc: | through windows |
| [12:59:27] | wagnerrp: | the 'driver' is just a bit of glue to proxy the files through to the harmony |
| [12:59:40] | wagnerrp: | and there is a third party set of drivers for linux, but ive never tried them |
| [13:00:08] | wagnerrp: | along with some styling for the web application |
| [13:02:27] | wagnerrp: | why do people make accounts places, and then never use them? |
| [13:02:30] | xyzabc: | "them mordred evil spawn of morgan lefay has the power |
| [13:02:40] | xyzabc: | oops nevermind |
| [13:03:08] | wagnerrp: | out of the last 50 accounts made on the wiki over the past month, 14 have made edits |
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| [13:07:53] | xyzabc: | and |
| [13:08:14] | wagnerrp: | and? |
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| [13:22:53] | justinh: | can't remember when I last made an edit |
| [13:23:13] | justinh: | resistance is futile. put something right & some muppet will only come along & undo it |
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| [14:06:28] | Bop: | hello |
| [14:06:38] | Bop: | how to setup myth tv for DVB-T usage ? |
| [14:07:03] | hashbang: | Bop: specifically? |
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| [14:07:17] | Bop: | hashbang, yeah , that's what i need |
| [14:07:42] | wagnerrp: | have you read any documentation? |
| [14:07:43] | hashbang: | Bop: no, I mean – it's a big topic, and it's documented. What specifically do you want to know? |
| [14:07:53] | Bop: | general setup |
| [14:08:01] | Bop: | how to detect card , channels ,and so on |
| [14:08:10] | Bop: | but for dvb-t |
| [14:08:37] | wagnerrp: | you select the 'DVB' type in mythtv-setup, and mythtv-setup will detect any available tuners and add them to the drop down |
| [14:08:44] | wagnerrp: | just select the one you want to configure |
| [14:08:45] | Bop: | where is that option |
| [14:08:48] | Bop: | dont see any |
| [14:08:57] | wagnerrp: | where it says 'card type' |
| [14:09:06] | Bop: | let me run setup |
| [14:09:24] | Bop: | in 2. capture cards ? |
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| [14:11:09] | Bop: | wagnerrp, dont have that option |
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| [14:12:25] | wagnerrp: | under 'card type', there is no 'dvb dtv capture card (v3.x)' ? |
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| [14:13:59] | Bop: | where is "card type" ? |
| [14:14:16] | Bop: | 1.general |
| [14:14:17] | wagnerrp: | in '2. capture cards' |
| [14:14:22] | Bop: | 2.capture cards |
| [14:14:23] | Bop: | ok |
| [14:14:31] | Bop: | (new capture card ) |
| [14:14:41] | Bop: | (delete all capture cards on debian) |
| [14:14:48] | Bop: | (delete all capture cards ) |
| [14:14:49] | justinh: | oo a walkthrough. I like those ;-) |
| [14:15:05] | wagnerrp: | take a guess... i think you can choose correctly |
| [14:15:16] | Bop: | new capture card |
| [14:15:23] | Bop: | it hangs |
| [14:15:42] | Bop: | [46292.556019] xc2028 6–0061: Loading firmware for type=BASE FM INPUT1 (c01), id 0000000000000000. |
| [14:15:43] | Bop: | [46366.500018] xc2028 6–0061: Loading firmware for type=FM (400), id 0000000000000000. |
| [14:15:55] | Bop: | i can see it try to load my card , but the analog one |
| [14:16:20] | Bop: | cause my card is hybrid , works for analog and dvb-t |
| [14:16:52] | Bop: | ok , i got a card setup |
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| [14:23:42] | MMlosh: | Hi! is there a recommened way for debugging mythtv code (I am after the dead keys problem in mythuitextedit component and QT devs asked me to put a printout somewhere...) |
| [14:30:46] | Bop: | wagnerrp, i cant scan for channels |
| [14:30:51] | Bop: | its dark option |
| [14:31:05] | wagnerrp: | youve created a video source? |
| [14:31:06] | Bop: | i need to put frequency , i dont see any option to it |
| [14:31:12] | Bop: | yeah i've created |
| [14:31:18] | wagnerrp: | youve mapped that source to your tuner? |
| [14:32:21] | Bop: | what is the grabber ? |
| [14:32:32] | wagnerrp: | xmltv |
| [14:32:42] | wagnerrp: | you dont need to worry about that yet |
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| [14:45:40] | Bop: | wagnerrp, its always saying master backend its not running |
| [14:46:05] | wagnerrp: | what is? |
| [14:46:09] | Bop: | i already start it with /etc/init.d/ |
| [14:46:16] | Bop: | in frontend |
| [14:46:25] | Bop: | says that master backend is not connected |
| [14:46:30] | wagnerrp: | then chances are you configured something improperly |
| [14:46:39] | wagnerrp: | which triggered a sanity check in the scheduler code |
| [14:46:45] | wagnerrp: | and caused the backend to self-terminate |
| [14:46:56] | Bop: | how to check if backend is up |
| [14:46:58] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
| [14:47:08] | wagnerrp: | usually found in /var/log/mythtv/ |
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| [14:50:47] | Bop: | QMYSQL: Unable to connect |
| [14:50:47] | Bop: | Database error was: |
| [14:50:48] | Bop: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [14:50:49] | Bop: | great |
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| [14:51:05] | Bop: | i can connect using mysql -u mythtv -p |
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| [14:56:49] | Hoxzer: | Bop: you shoudl verify thay ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt has the same password and username. |
| [14:57:42] | Bop: | Hoxzer, it haves |
| [14:58:44] | Bop: | WHAT THE FUCK IS MASTER SERVER |
| [14:58:57] | wagnerrp: | please do not use such language in this channel |
| [14:59:16] | wagnerrp: | the likely problem is that your init scripts are running as a different user, or redirecting home |
| [14:59:27] | wagnerrp: | such that '~' no longer points where you think it does |
| [14:59:51] | wagnerrp: | and the ~/.mythtv/config.xml its reading is not correct |
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| [15:15:12] | Bop: | wagnerrp, is there a way to put little window ? |
| [15:15:17] | Bop: | this is in full screen |
| [15:15:40] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can use the '--windowed' argument directly |
| [15:15:58] | wagnerrp: | or you can go into the appearance settings and set the size, window, and mouse behavior permanently |
| [15:19:42] | Bop: | mythfrondend --windowed dont work |
| [15:21:04] | Bop: | its starts in full mode |
| [15:21:06] | justinh: | try mythfrontend --windowed then |
| [15:21:06] | markk_: | mythfrontend --geometry 800x600 |
| [15:21:13] | justinh: | not mythfrondend :P |
| [15:22:06] | Bop: | setting geometry works, shouldnt i be able to move window ? |
| [15:22:25] | justinh: | if it was any other app, no doubt |
| [15:22:41] | iamlindoro: | that's what "windowed" is for |
| [15:22:58] | iamlindoro: | now put all of it together |
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| [15:25:45] | Bop: | qnope |
| [15:25:48] | Bop: | cant move window |
| [15:25:56] | Bop: | oh |
| [15:25:58] | Bop: | i can i can :D |
| [15:26:01] | justinh: | heh to be able to move it you also need to set it to use a border |
| [15:26:13] | Bop: | yeah i've putted that option |
| [15:27:52] | Bop: | ok its windows |
| [15:28:04] | Bop: | but when i do "watch Tv" it jumps to full screen :s |
| [15:28:32] | justinh: | :S |
| [15:29:07] | justinh: | you need the 'use GUI size for video playback' option set |
| [15:30:00] | justinh: | you could also use reading the manual |
| [15:30:11] | iamlindoro: | madness! |
| [15:30:28] | justinh: | well, I lost the 'sane' stamp I used to use on my hand |
| [15:31:30] | Bop: | ah ha !!! |
| [15:31:33] | Bop: | its working |
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| [15:31:37] | Bop: | im good , im good :D |
| [15:31:48] | Bop: | damn it , complicated program :S |
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| [15:32:02] | justinh: | :S |
| [15:32:06] | justinh: | Right. Time to get out of here before anyone comes to my desk with a lengthy job that'll make my brane hurt |
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| [15:56:28] | MMlosh: | sphery, i was wrong about >2x timestretch... values over 2.7x suffer from occasional audio gaps... maybe unnoticeable at 5x speed, which is indeed insane |
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| [16:04:40] | wagnerrp: | timestretch even goes up to 5x? |
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| [16:04:52] | wagnerrp: | i thought anything above 3x only decoded keyframes |
| [16:08:28] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, well... at 5x the audio might be gapped and I won't notice |
| [16:08:37] | MMlosh: | until 2,7x it seems ok |
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| [16:09:19] | MMlosh: | also: not normally.. I had to alter the bounds to allow that... to be surprised that it works... |
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| [16:10:12] | skd5aner: | what would you want to watch above 2.0x anyway? CSPAN coverage of a parade or something? |
| [16:10:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if mythtv stops behaving properly at timestretches above 2.7x, i think the fix is to just not allow it to go that fast |
| [16:10:26] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, above 3x the code starts skipping... normally |
| [16:10:50] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: above 2.0x, the player should just replace the normal audio track with benny hill music |
| [16:10:55] | MMlosh: | yes.. that is the default behavior |
| [16:11:36] | MMlosh: | skd5aner, there are some speech-free shows that are quite good at 2,25x.. |
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| [16:13:41] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: heh |
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| [16:14:31] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, since I'm taking your time already... is there a way how to print to a console from mythuitextedit? |
| [16:14:51] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about UI stuff |
| [16:14:56] | MMlosh: | oh... |
| [16:15:12] | wagnerrp: | everything ive done has been backend work |
| [16:15:14] | skd5aner: | MMlosh: yea, maybe – but the difference of 2.0 and 2.25 isn't enough of a difference |
| [16:15:15] | MMlosh: | perhaps I could just fprintf to a file.. |
| [16:15:26] | wagnerrp: | better to use VERBOSE() |
| [16:15:33] | MMlosh: | skd5aner, you think so.. but you've never tried |
| [16:15:46] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, but I'd get a lot of irrelevant messages, right? |
| [16:15:51] | skd5aner: | I probably have tried, long ago – and realized it wasn't something I wanted to do |
| [16:16:01] | skd5aner: | 1.4 and 1.5 is about as fast as it gets for me |
| [16:16:14] | wagnerrp: | so use an under-utilized verbose tag |
| [16:16:24] | wagnerrp: | and set the frontend to filter for only that tag |
| [16:16:30] | skd5aner: | Colbert Report is in a playback group so it always plays back at 1.4x for me |
| [16:16:53] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, that sounds interesting.. can you point me to some howto? |
| [16:17:04] | skd5aner: | I've probably watched 500+ episodes at 1.4, that anytime I catch it at 1.0, it's SOOOOOOO SLOW – especially the theme song |
| [16:17:29] | MMlosh: | hehe... |
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| [16:19:22] | skd5aner: | If I've watched 500 episodes of a 30 min show, with commskip, that would be about 24 aired per show |
| [16:19:41] | wagnerrp: | just search for 'VERBOSE' |
| [16:19:53] | skd5aner: | at 1.4x, I'd save about 20% of the watching time, which would be about 4.8 minutes/show |
| [16:19:53] | wagnerrp: | should be plenty of examples on how to use it |
| [16:19:59] | wagnerrp: | that is... in the mythtv source code |
| [16:20:20] | skd5aner: | which is 2400 minutes over 500 shows – or, 40 hours of saved time |
| [16:20:37] | skd5aner: | yay time stretch! |
| [16:20:38] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, thanks.. I found it... now the other end – how to show the messages? |
| [16:21:03] | wagnerrp: | you look at the logs |
| [16:22:12] | MMlosh: | ok |
| [16:22:24] | skd5aner: | Better yet – mythweb says I've recorded 975 episodes of The Colbert Report (#1 recorded show) |
| [16:22:58] | skd5aner: | That's 4680 saved minutes, or 78 hours :D |
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| [16:23:47] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, quite a hurdle for runtime debugging... |
| [16:25:32] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
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| [16:26:17] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, going from the debugged UI element and back to log is not practical |
| [16:26:37] | wagnerrp: | so run it in a window, with the terminal open scrolling logs in another window |
| [16:26:47] | MMlosh: | unless the log is a file.. I assumed it's in the database and I was wrong |
| [16:27:00] | wagnerrp: | or even run it remotely over ssh, and watch the logs on a whole other computer |
| [16:27:12] | wagnerrp: | the 'logs' being the stuff mythfrontend dumps to the terminal |
| [16:27:22] | MMlosh: | oh.. allright |
| [16:27:41] | MMlosh: | I got what I needed anyway |
| [16:30:06] | skd5aner: | Finally got my living room TV mouted on the wall the other night... now to get all my AV closet stuff done and my in-wall speakers so the only thing that can be seen is the TV itself |
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| [16:45:31] | skd5aner: | So... I've never used mythwelcome or any other "wake-on" solution, but I'm looking at possibly seeing what I could do with my combined frontend/slave-backend... I'm wondering if it's even worth going down that path though |
| [16:46:28] | wagnerrp: | IMO, there should always be at least one backend always running |
| [16:46:42] | skd5aner: | yea, my master serves as a file and web server too |
| [16:46:47] | skd5aner: | so, that's got to be 24x7 |
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| [16:47:29] | skd5aner: | but my frontend has an hd-pvr attached to it, and is only used for recording via the hd-pvr and as a frontend which typically is only used in the evenings for watching |
| [16:47:53] | wagnerrp: | personally, id like to see mythwelcome killed off |
| [16:48:02] | wagnerrp: | allow socket re-announcement |
| [16:48:06] | wagnerrp: | so in the main menu |
| [16:48:12] | wagnerrp: | the frontend could drop back to 'monitor' |
| [16:48:14] | skd5aner: | I ought to hook my my kill-a-watt to it for a few days and see what the power profile looks like |
| [16:48:19] | wagnerrp: | which would allow the backend to shut down |
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| [17:25:43] | patman: | hi ... is there a script to list files that are on disk (recorded files) but not in the database? I thought I used it before, but can't find it now. I'm running 0.24 fixes. |
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| [17:27:03] | patman: | i found a posting with a script to help with the opposite (remove DB entries that don't have a recording on disk). I can probably modify it to do what i want. |
| [17:27:07] | patman: | this http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /250162.html |
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| [17:33:16] | sphery: | patman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
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| [17:40:02] | patman: | sphery: t/y! |
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| [17:50:31] | patman: | bah, i hit this same thing trying to use the find_orphans.py: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /306280.html |
| [17:50:37] | patman: | TypeError: searchRecorded got an unexpected keyword argument 'livetv' |
| [17:51:00] | wagnerrp: | then you are not running 0.24-fixes |
| [17:52:52] | patman: | but I am :-( I see it's using bindings from /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV, that kind of sucks since I'm installing to /usr/local |
| [17:53:11] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned in that thread |
| [17:53:24] | wagnerrp: | that issue has been fixed, and the fix put in the 0.24-fixes branch |
| [17:53:30] | patman: | hmmm. |
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| [17:54:20] | wagnerrp: | if you install to /usr/local, the bindings will automatically install to where ever python tells it to |
| [17:54:41] | wagnerrp: | they will only install specifically to another location if you use a PREFIX other than /usr or /usr/local |
| [17:55:47] | patman: | my install log shows: |
| [17:55:51] | patman: | copying build/lib/MythTV/utility.py -> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV |
| [17:56:08] | wagnerrp: | correct, because that is where your copy of python wants them |
| [17:56:20] | patman: | oh, python's PREFIX? |
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| [17:56:28] | wagnerrp: | were you to install them elsewhere, you would need to manually tell python where to load the modules from |
| [17:56:34] | patman: | ok. |
| [17:57:02] | wagnerrp: | so, if mythtv's PREFIX is /usr or /usr/local, the bindings just ignore whatever you have set and let python install them where it wants |
| [17:57:14] | patman: | wagnerrp: ok. |
| [17:57:31] | wagnerrp: | now, if you set PREFIX to /opt/mythtv, the bindings would be installed to /opt/mythtv/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV |
| [17:57:36] | patman: | wagnerrp: what email mentions the fix? I don't see any on the thread i linked to. |
| [18:00:52] | wagnerrp: | looks like here... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /305969.html |
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| [18:07:34] | skd5aner: | the 17'th was a black hole of committing |
| [18:07:54] | skd5aner: | tons on the 16'th, already a few for today – but nothingness yesterday |
| [18:08:15] | skd5aner: | must have been too much green beer |
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| [18:08:52] | wagnerrp: | everyone was too busy getting lucky with the irish |
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| [18:22:32] | Perdignus: | Does "DE flv – FLV format" from the command "ffmpeg -formats" satisfy MythWeb's ffmpeg requirements for streaming? |
| [18:23:34] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [18:24:31] | wagnerrp: | if you are streaming content through mythweb, you are streaming it unaltered |
| [18:24:59] | wagnerrp: | there are no requirements in mythweb, only requirements on the player for being capable of handling the video, and the network (or internet) capable of handling the bitrate |
| [18:25:00] | Perdignus: | Sorry, I'm having trouble getting thumnails for recorded programs as well an inability to stream and I thought it might have to do with my ffmpeg's capabilities |
| [18:25:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, mythweb has the (unsupported) ability to transcode to flv on the fly. |
| [18:25:18] | wagnerrp: | thumbnails are generated by the backend |
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| [18:25:26] | Perdignus: | Flowplayer errors out 303... |
| [18:25:34] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: right, but it transcodes /everything/ |
| [18:25:41] | wagnerrp: | the input format of the recording makes no difference |
| [18:26:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | so he's asking if ffmpeg saying it supports "flv" is what mythweb needs to encode to flv |
| [18:26:05] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre wondering if your currently installed version of ffmpeg meets its needs |
| [18:26:07] | wagnerrp: | right.... |
| [18:26:25] | Perdignus: | correc |
| [18:26:33] | wagnerrp: | i thought you were asking if certain content you had were capable of streaming |
| [18:26:48] | wagnerrp: | didnt we switch to using mythffmpeg? |
| [18:26:57] | Perdignus: | sorry no, I wasn't sure how to word it |
| [18:27:11] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: just in master – in the last couple of weeks |
| [18:27:25] | wagnerrp: | i thought bei rdo backported that stuff |
| [18:27:49] | skd5aner: | He did, but kormoc didn't change mythweb to use it in fixes, only in master |
| [18:27:56] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [18:28:17] | skd5aner: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/2c1f442 |
| [18:28:27] | wagnerrp: | in any case, looks like it falls back to ffmpeg, if mythffmpeg is not found |
| [18:28:33] | skd5aner: | yes |
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| [18:30:54] | Perdignus: | So maybe my inability to watch streamed recordings from MythWeb isn't a configuration on my end? |
| [18:31:12] | Perdignus: | "not bloody likely" ;) |
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| [18:36:44] | kormoc: | Perdignus, E flv and E mp3 are required for flv streaming in mythweb |
| [18:37:16] | kormoc: | Perdignus, check your apache error logs, it should explain more about what's going on |
| [18:38:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I rarely backported stuff when we were on svn, I won't touch branches in git with a ten foot pole... |
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| [18:39:31] | kisak: | good afternoon, feel like chewing on a low information problem xris? |
| [18:40:11] | wagnerrp: | perhaps someone else could answer if xris isnt around? |
| [18:40:27] | kisak: | ok, here it is ... |
| [18:42:06] | kisak: | I'm running mythtv 0.24-fixes and I have mythweb. Mythweb is not rendering thumbnails and fails to stream video. Also, there's absolutely no relevent info in /var/log/apache2/ |
| [18:43:11] | kisak: | direct download works |
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| [18:45:35] | kisak: | I'm fairly confident it's a php misconfiguration, but there's not enough info for me to pursue this on my own |
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| [18:46:42] | kormoc: | kloeri, fopen enabled in your php.ini? |
| [18:46:53] | kisak: | I'm running apache 2.2.16 / php 5.3.5 |
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| [18:52:53] | kisak: | good nudge, wrong person |
| [18:53:11] | Perdignus: | kisak: I think something's amiss and it's not our configurations that are the cause |
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| [18:54:22] | Perdignus: | streaming and thumbnails were working for me up until a few weeks ago. I'm using the GIT 24-fixes branch, currently on v0.24-209-g13be9c2 |
| [18:54:35] | kisak: | so from that I found a /etc/php/apache2-php5/php.ini and a /etc/php/apache2-php5.3/php.ini the php5 folder looks like it's in order while the php5.3 folder is not |
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| [18:58:48] | Perdignus: | Well crap, it was fopen for me in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, all apologies |
| [18:59:55] | Perdignus: | Maybe my php.ini was overwritten during an update |
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| [19:07:18] | kormoc: | it's defaulted off, so aye, it's a common issue |
| [19:07:24] | kormoc: | kisak, so was that it? |
| [19:10:58] | Perdignus: | fopen wasn't a recent new requirement was it? I don't recall seeing it in the documentation or having to enable it in the past |
| [19:15:18] | kisak: | kormoc: well, the problem was that my system changed which php.ini it uses without let's me know |
| [19:15:31] | kisak: | thumbnails are back |
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| [19:17:17] | kormoc: | Perdignus, it's always been required |
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| [20:06:53] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Anyone have any recommendations for a good yet cheap video card that supports HDMI audio and HD audio? |
| [20:07:12] | wagnerrp: | GT430 |
| [20:09:15] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I want to start doing more home theaterish stuff. |
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| [20:12:23] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | This should do the trick. |
| [20:12:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162067 |
| [20:12:54] | wagnerrp: | should, yes |
| [20:13:02] | wagnerrp: | although a fanless is preferred if possible |
| [20:13:39] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That may be a tougher order. |
| [20:14:03] | wagnerrp: | which limits you to this out of stock beast... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500175 |
| [20:15:12] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I don't know if that thing would even fit |
| [20:15:50] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It's a Micro ATX frontend |
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| [20:16:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I've gone as far as I can with a SPDIF header connection on the board. |
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| [20:22:00] | sphery: | that's one huge heat sink |
| [20:22:12] | sphery: | and looks like it's pretty much expecting you to have several case fans |
| [20:23:15] | sphery: | (or at least a well-directed airflow through your case, with air flowing over the HS and out the little vents on the 2nd slot) |
| [20:23:56] | sphery: | wonder what the TDP (and real-world draw) is for the GT430 |
| [20:25:34] | wagnerrp: | less than the 220 |
| [20:26:05] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [20:27:23] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I just want to get better sound |
| [20:27:33] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I finally got a sound system I can hear surround sound with. |
| [20:27:59] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: you do need a pretty expensive receiver to be able to handle those bitstreams, and more expensive speakers for them to actually make a difference |
| [20:28:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems theyre claiming 49W |
| [20:28:22] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Define expensive? |
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| [20:28:28] | sphery: | 49W isn't too bad |
| [20:28:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | My receiver handles DTS HD |
| [20:28:49] | wagnerrp: | all told, im betting >$1K |
| [20:36:00] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: Okay...not doing that |
| [20:36:10] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | My $200 receiver handles those bitstreams |
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| [20:36:18] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Where does the other $800 come from? |
| [20:36:25] | wagnerrp: | nice speakers |
| [20:36:26] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm not criticizing, this just isn't my area |
| [20:36:29] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Okay. |
| [20:36:32] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'll get those later |
| [20:36:39] | wagnerrp: | and a receiver with a decent amp |
| [20:37:22] | wagnerrp: | dont get me wrong, im not saying yours is bad |
| [20:37:39] | wagnerrp: | just that for most people and most equipment, the standard codecs are fine |
| [20:38:28] | wagnerrp: | and unless you get some fairly high end stuff, youre not going to get much advantage from the 24-bit 96kHz audio |
| [20:39:05] | wagnerrp: | i certainly dont have the equipment, and couldnt tell you if my ears were good enough to pick out the difference even if they were |
| [20:39:07] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: I know. |
| [20:39:20] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But I just replaced my receiver, and after 5 years, I finally hear surround sound. |
| [20:39:27] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But I don't hear it from MythTV |
| [20:39:37] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm not saying I need HD audio |
| [20:39:51] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But if I'm spending money to try and get surround, I want to future proof |
| [20:41:48] | kormoc: | I'm always amused at the 'Guru' asking questions |
| [20:42:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | If it helps, kormoc |
| [20:42:16] | GadgetWisdomGuru is now known as GWG | |
| [20:42:18] | GWG: | Better? |
| [20:42:30] | kormoc: | I am less amused, if that was your goal |
| [20:42:33] | GWG: | Coming up with nicknames is hard. |
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| [20:43:23] | kormoc: | although I am amused that you thought I was upset or something when I was I was amused |
| [20:43:49] | ** devinheitmueller considers changing his handle to "BestDriverDeveloperEvar"... ** | |
| [20:44:15] | GWG: | kormoc: I apologize. I just have entered a few rooms and gotten immediate flak. My baggage. |
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| [20:45:17] | GWG: | That, and people keep saying my avatar on Twitter makes them think I'm a spammer |
| [20:46:50] | GWG: | I'd change both, but you sort of lose when you start from scratch with a name... |
| [20:46:56] | GWG: | Anyway, personal issue ended. |
| [20:47:04] | GWG: | I will now resume MythTV talk |
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| [21:09:19] | wagnerrp: | [25151] |
| [21:09:19] | MythLogBot: | SVN 25151: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fec53cb9 |
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| [21:47:54] | sphery: | Ooh, "Version 25.7 of the Arclight theme is now available in the Theme Chooser. The currently installed version is 25.5." |
| [21:47:57] | sphery: | how cool |
| [21:48:11] | sphery: | I like the auto-notification |
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| [21:48:51] | skd5aner: | sphery: master? |
| [21:48:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:49:00] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [21:49:16] | sphery: | the code went in long ago, but I hadn't see it happen 'til today |
| [21:49:32] | skd5aner: | yea – knew it was there, but haven't heard/seen it myself |
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| [21:56:00] | sphery: | kormoc: it's one of those arguments you just can't win |
| [21:56:13] | sphery: | as are most on the -users list |
| [21:56:19] | kormoc: | Yeah :( |
| [21:56:21] | sphery: | but thanks for trying--you did much better than I would have |
| [22:04:06] | sphery: | best solution would be for this guy to get at least one tuner to dedicate to mythtv |
| [22:06:49] | skd5aner: | if only most cable companies didn't "rent" STBs at a monthly rate :/ |
| [22:06:50] | devinheitmueller: | when it comes to scheduler heuristics, you will never make everybody happy. |
| [22:07:08] | kormoc: | sphery, okay... I got a little snippy in my reply... |
| [22:07:14] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:07:19] | kormoc: | sphery, he does have multiple tuners |
| [22:07:20] | sphery: | understandably |
| [22:07:30] | devinheitmueller: | In fact, given how few people understand how complicated the topic is, in most cases you will think it's easier than it sounds. |
| [22:07:44] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, but he seems to want to steal them all for some periods? |
| [22:07:55] | kormoc: | sphery, not all of them, just two of the three I believe? |
| [22:08:14] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: that's /definitely/ true--and why so many people just don't get why changing the input priority doesn't tell MythTV what order to use tuners |
| [22:08:49] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, that's not too bad... if he sets up the dedicated one as the primary in mythtv (lowest input number), then it probably won't affect his scheduling all that much |
| [22:08:59] | kormoc: | I'm eagerly awaiting Simon's fixes to the scheduler optimizations I made. I mean he thinks that doubling the data mustn't take any more time to process! |
| [22:09:02] | devinheitmueller: | I suspect most people will never appreciate how complicated it is unless they take some time to try to implement their own heuristic. |
| [22:09:06] | kormoc: | sphery, exactly |
| [22:09:16] | sphery: | especially the reschedule higher priorities stuff |
| [22:09:22] | skd5aner: | is this the guy who wants to make sure his tuner attached to his STB isn't used during certain hours of the day so his family can use that STB? |
| [22:09:24] | kormoc: | yeah... that's a PITA |
| [22:09:29] | kormoc: | skd5aner, yes |
| [22:09:32] | sphery: | the frequency with which that actually hits is /very/ low in normal mythtv systems |
| [22:09:33] | skd5aner: | is it a slave backend? |
| [22:09:35] | kormoc: | well, the guy arguing isn't that guy |
| [22:09:40] | sphery: | so not really changing much |
| [22:09:54] | kormoc: | the guy arguing is claiming that the guy who wants to lock out tuners is able to write his own grabber (and intends to) |
| [22:10:12] | skd5aner: | If that tuner is the only tuner, and it's in a slave backend – just have him run some cronjob or something that turns off mythbackend between certain hours, and that tuner will never be used |
| [22:10:18] | sphery: | kormoc: I have a feeling he'll just do a delete from program where... |
| [22:10:24] | skd5aner: | and, the scheduler will compensate by rescheduling |
| [22:10:26] | sphery: | and will leave broken data in the db |
| [22:10:31] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: Well, writing a grabber is easy to. You just have to parse some XML crap, right? |
| [22:10:33] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
| [22:10:44] | kormoc: | sphery, that's actually what he said, aye |
| [22:10:46] | sphery: | (i.e. won't properly handle the edges |
| [22:10:49] | kormoc: | devinheitmueller, indeed |
| [22:10:54] | kormoc: | sphery, exactly |
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| [22:11:04] | sphery: | but, hey, when he complains it doesn't work... |
| [22:11:16] | skd5aner: | wouldn't my scenario work? |
| [22:11:24] | kormoc: | but he wants the data for the always available tuner, so he needs to duplicate the data and then trim, and then reschedule... |
| [22:11:36] | skd5aner: | huh? |
| [22:11:45] | skd5aner: | what's the point of that? |
| [22:11:46] | sphery: | after all, when you ask for advice on the -users list and you get one reply from developers and a different reply from random users who feel compelled to hit reply and argue |
| [22:11:46] | kormoc: | skd5aner, cause he wants to optimize the recordings (he being Simon, not the parent) |
| [22:11:56] | sphery: | it makes sense to choose to follow the instructions provided by random users |
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| [22:12:07] | sphery: | since, of course, they would know best how MythTV works |
| [22:12:18] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, that's what I got snippy about... |
| [22:12:20] | skd5aner: | sphery: in all fairness, users (even random ones) can have good advice from time to time ;) |
| [22:12:41] | kormoc: | I mean, I obviously wouldn't know the scheduler or mythfilldatabase, I only helped speed it up for 0.24. |
| [22:12:54] | skd5aner: | kormoc: well, I don't get that I guess... |
| [22:12:55] | sphery: | skd5aner: they can, but in the event when their advice is at odds with developers' advice, the devs will generally say, "Ah, yeah, you're right," at some point |
| [22:13:07] | skd5aner: | kormoc: it's his requirement, I know your just re-airing it |
| [22:13:12] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:13:39] | skd5aner: | kormoc: but if the the tuner is unavailable, the scheduler will figure out what to do on any rule that allows more than 1 recording |
| [22:13:46] | kormoc: | skd5aner, yes |
| [22:14:03] | sphery: | skd5aner: even if it's a single record find rule |
| [22:14:21] | sphery: | (just not for time slot rules--which users shouldn't ever use except in the most dire of circumstances) |
| [22:14:46] | kormoc: | skd5aner, Simon (not the requesting user) feels it's broken, as when you have 'reschedule higher priority recordings' turned on, you'd lose some recordings you might want, and if you turn that feature off (the default) you lose out on the optimal number of recordings! This means the answer is BROKEN! BROKEN I SAY! |
| [22:14:48] | skd5aner: | I've got an HD-PVR hooked up to my SBE, if I want exclusive access to the STB hooked up to it, I could just do a "service mythbackend stop" and bam... anything that would have recorded on that tuner goes away, maybe even goes to a Different tuner (unlikely in my scenario) or gets rescheduled |
| [22:14:48] | sphery: | i.e. those tie the scheduler's hands--and /that/ will cause far more scheduling issues than locking a tuner with a script when you don't want it used |
| [22:15:01] | skd5aner: | kormoc: ahh |
| [22:15:13] | skd5aner: | sorry – I know I could probably read this all myself :) |
| [22:15:13] | kormoc: | skd5aner, via the python bindings, you can just lock the tuner and keep the slave backend running so it can serve up content/etc |
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| [22:16:32] | skd5aner: | I can't remember what the heck I have for that setting... it's been so long since I've touched it |
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| [22:16:53] | skd5aner: | kormoc: only if that connection is persisted via the bindings, right? |
| [22:16:57] | kormoc: | yes |
| [22:17:12] | kormoc: | but it's easy enough to sleep until a specified time |
| [22:17:25] | sphery: | or event |
| [22:17:31] | skd5aner: | either way – this is all a hack |
| [22:17:32] | sphery: | or until the process is killed |
| [22:17:45] | skd5aner: | I guess, as a feature request, it's not a terrible one, but definitely more of a corner case |
| [22:17:51] | sphery: | skd5aner: yes, the /idea/ of stealing tuners from mythtv every day between certain times is a hack |
| [22:18:09] | sphery: | and if a user wants this, they should just set up recording rules that take it into account |
| [22:18:14] | sphery: | custom rules ftw! |
| [22:18:34] | sphery: | "But I don't want to have to do a custom rule for all my recordings." |
| [22:18:35] | skd5aner: | however – I could definitely see times where I would want/use a feature such as telling my HD-PVR that it needs to stop controlling my STB for a little bit (when I have guests over who are using the TV/STB) without going in and killing mythbackend |
| [22:19:04] | skd5aner: | sphery: that would be a pain, heh |
| [22:19:05] | kormoc: | skd5aner, for that just remove the source to input mapping for the tuner. |
| [22:19:06] | sphery: | "It's obviously /far/ more resource intensive. I like efficiency." (even if I don't understand the meaning of efficiency, let alone the code about which I'm making assumptions) |
| [22:19:27] | skd5aner: | kormoc: in mythtv-setup? |
| [22:19:32] | sphery: | and the capture card itself |
| [22:19:32] | kormoc: | skd5aner, yeah |
| [22:19:40] | sphery: | defined, but unconnected cards are a problem |
| [22:19:51] | skd5aner: | I mean, yea – that'd work – just not user friendly |
| [22:19:58] | sphery: | (adding a card takes all of 3 seconds, though) |
| [22:20:07] | kormoc: | sphery, I've run it before, it works well enough for a weekend of guests |
| [22:20:24] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, it will work for a while, but the bounds of "while" aren't defined |
| [22:20:27] | kormoc: | I had to leave the card defined, as mythbackend wouldn't run without one (at the time) |
| [22:20:30] | skd5aner: | wife is telling me that I've got to get on the grill or else she's going out to eat without me... lol – later guys |
| [22:20:33] | sphery: | in some circumstances, Bad Things will happen |
| [22:20:35] | kormoc: | heh, laters |
| [22:20:38] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
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| [22:21:03] | sphery: | (generally, one day, you'll start mythbackend and your schedule will be empty or broken or ...) |
| [22:21:16] | sphery: | so for short term it's probably not /too/ bad |
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| [22:21:25] | sphery: | but I wouldn't do it on my system :) |
| [22:22:10] | sphery: | then again, I'd just take 3 minutes to show the guests how to use Live TV and then take 2s to show them how to use Watch Recordings to allow them to watch any of my > 1400 recordings |
| [22:23:40] | skd5aner: | sphery: until your guests found a way to break live tv playback and freeze and segfault mythtv like mine did 3 times last month over a weekend on latest fixes :S |
| [22:24:11] | skd5aner: | also, most people don't have a library of every TV show recorded in the last 3 years to chose from :D |
| [22:24:17] | skd5aner: | like you |
| [22:24:31] | skd5aner: | you should work out licensing deals with the networks and hotels :D |
| [22:25:16] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:27:17] | sphery: | funny thing is when my parents were visiting one time I had some work to do, so I showed them how to use the Watch Recordings stuff, then they asked, "Well, can we just watch stuff that's on now?" so I showed them Live TV, then when I finished, I came back and saw them watching the CSI (which they had started watching 20min before the end of the episode). That specific episode was also already recorded in Watch Recordings. |
| [22:32:20] | kormoc: | ha |
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| [22:33:33] | clever: | sphery: ok, submit a feature request ticket for that! |
| [22:33:48] | clever: | if you start to livetv a show thats already fully recorded, offer the user to switch over |
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| [22:46:18] | sphery: | clever: heh, yeah, would be nice--but since I don't use Live TV, it wouldn't help me :) |
| [22:46:35] | sphery: | (and there's a reason I haven't offered to set up MythTV for my parents) |
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| [22:51:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why the guy cant just rent a second STB |
| [22:54:11] | sphery: | yeah, would be best--since MythTV is designed to have exclusive access to the tuner |
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| [23:08:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...same problem as an old school Tivo. At a certain point you just have to accept that some recordings will get trashed because some throwback wants to watch proper live tv. |
| [23:10:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | which reminds me... I need to reorder my tuners to better accomodate the "live tv override". |
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| [23:22:49] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: And remember that you can add capture cards in a different order from card inputs. Input order is used for recording preference, from lowest to highest; and--with "Avoid conflicts between Live TV and scheduled shows" enabled--card order is used for Live TV preference, from highest to lowest. |
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| [23:34:21] | wagnerrp: | why do we still have users asking if they should upgrade to 64-bit? |
| [23:34:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, because other -users are claiming 64 bit is worse! |
| [23:35:35] | wagnerrp: | friggen luddites |
| [23:35:46] | wagnerrp: | amd64 has been a primary platform on linux for like eight years now |
| [23:36:45] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [23:44:37] | kormoc: | I'm also amused at the folks who say "You can't migrate an existing system from 32 bit to 64 bit!" |
| [23:44:42] | kormoc: | I did that *years* ago |
| [23:44:48] | kormoc: | it's not /that/ hard |
| [23:45:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why you would really want to |
| [23:45:18] | kormoc: | meh |
| [23:45:33] | kormoc: | just boot off a disk, chroot into it, change the arch, dist upgrade, reboot |
| [23:45:38] | wagnerrp: | theres just something refreshing about a reinstall from scratch |
| [23:45:54] | wagnerrp: | you learn new things, each new install you can do better, cleaner, faster |
| [23:46:08] | kormoc: | sure |
| [23:46:25] | wagnerrp: | i know it took me a couple tried to get my netboot setup working well |
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