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| [00:26:22] | wagnerrp: | silly gentoo users, you cant use mmx on amd64 platforms |
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| [00:30:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was thinking maybe cable box, but tv makes more sense |
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| [00:32:36] | sphery: | heh, just a wag |
| [00:32:51] | sphery: | no mmx on amd64? how come cat /proc/cpuinfo lists it? |
| [00:34:52] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure i saw somewhere that mmx was disabled in 64-bit mode |
| [00:35:22] | sphery: | could be |
| [00:35:32] | sphery: | I just assumed it worked on either side |
| [00:37:42] | wagnerrp: | looks like it could have been individual softwares that had it disabled |
| [00:38:40] | sphery: | so captions are making me wonder why "dysfunctional" has such a "disfunctional" spelling |
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| [01:12:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so whats this playback group popup thing? |
| [01:12:30] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen anything like that either |
| [01:12:59] | wagnerrp: | and whats with the guy claiming if you use more than one disk in a system, the world will come to an end? |
| [01:13:46] | GreyFoxx: | haha someone is seriously claiming something like that ? |
| [01:14:23] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /312014.html |
| [01:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | hahahahashahahaahahahahahahahahhaha |
| [01:15:05] | GreyFoxx: | awesome :) |
| [01:16:53] | wagnerrp: | and if once isnt enough... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /310789.html |
| [01:18:16] | kormoc: | yeah, the thread I got yelled at for thinking Seagate Engineers know more about Seagate drives then random forum users |
| [01:18:47] | wagnerrp: | he also appears to be a mythburn user, presumably because he cannot have more than one installed hard drive, and has run out of storage space |
| [01:19:57] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: clearly those users have access to those internal Seagate technical documents, and have implemented support for Seagate's non-standard SMART values in their local copy of smartmontools |
| [01:20:00] | wagnerrp: | duh |
| [01:21:08] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: seriously though, do you have any idea what that guy is even talking about? |
| [01:21:29] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the paper shows that as you get more drives in a box, the more likely one will fail |
| [01:21:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah, never knew about the playback group popup... do you have any groups defined or just default? |
| [01:21:46] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: isnt that simple statistics? |
| [01:21:48] | sphery: | the disk thing is news to me |
| [01:22:02] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [01:22:05] | sphery: | unless it's like saying, "If you drink water, you /will/ die." |
| [01:22:08] | sphery: | (eventually) |
| [01:22:34] | sphery: | i.e. correlation without causation |
| [01:22:38] | kormoc: | sphery, it's saying that the more people you put into the room, the more likely one will die in a specific time frame |
| [01:22:53] | sphery: | or, correlation with casualties |
| [01:23:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently there was some new zealand PM who fell for that, and tried to get dihydrogen monoxide listed as a controlled substance |
| [01:23:20] | GreyFoxx: | hahaha nice |
| [01:23:36] | sphery: | http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2168 |
| [01:24:05] | ** sphery nods to kormoc for introducting him to SMBC ** | |
| [01:24:19] | kormoc: | smbc++ |
| [01:25:29] | GreyFoxx: | hahah nice site :) |
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| [01:27:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so do you have non-default playback groups? |
| [01:27:08] | wagnerrp: | 1936 is a good one |
| [01:27:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive never used them, so i suppose i only have Default |
| [01:27:58] | sphery: | yeah, wondering if it only pops up for users who actually define non-default ones |
| [01:28:12] | wagnerrp: | and then dont specify which one theyre using? |
| [01:28:32] | sphery: | I have only default, and I've edited it (I like 15s skip back and 30s skip forward and 3m jump) |
| [01:28:49] | sphery: | they all get used based on a regexp match or something |
| [01:29:00] | sphery: | or recording rule match |
| [01:29:30] | sphery: | recording rule |
| [01:29:34] | sphery: | glad it's not regexp |
| [01:29:54] | sphery: | oh, wait, "Title match (regex):" |
| [01:30:06] | sphery: | it's regex trumps recording rule |
| [01:31:07] | wagnerrp: | ooh... 1854 is now my new explanation for everything |
| [01:32:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:35:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: after someone on list said I was "play[ing] Don Quixote", I was able to quote http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2134 |
| [01:35:42] | Tivana: | Good evening all! I was hoping someone could point me in the direction of mac-specific firewire scripts, I am getting the 'partial lock' error when I try to watch live TV on my newly-installed backend/frontend which is connected to an SA3250 via firewire. |
| [01:36:14] | [R]: | mac can use firewire? |
| [01:36:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that being someone who was saying that living where he does (which happens to be just down the street from me) he can't get any good TV and if I were in his position, I'd realize just how cable TV isn't a luxury, but is a necessity |
| [01:36:15] | wagnerrp: | Tivana: its not working because MONKEY-LIZARD IS DISPLEASED! |
| [01:37:21] | sphery: | Tivana: Mac OS X? |
| [01:37:24] | Tivana: | I don't know who monkey-lizard is but I respectfully request it quit wasting my time with this bad behavior |
| [01:37:33] | Tivana: | yes running OS X 10.6.6, macbook pro |
| [01:37:37] | sphery: | if so, I 1/8th remember hearing about some problem with firewire on Mac OS X |
| [01:37:51] | sphery: | meaning it's likely not just you or your script :) |
| [01:38:12] | Tivana: | I read that if you run the backend with "open with rosetta" (run the ppc bits) it would work, but the backend I have does not give that option |
| [01:38:38] | wagnerrp: | Tivana: perhaps you didnt see my immediately previous comment that '1854 is now my new explanation for everything'... http://www.smbc-comics.com/?db=comics&id=1854#comic |
| [01:38:43] | Tivana: | I d/l'ed FireRecord and it records perfectly over FW, I don't understand why Myth is more wonky |
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| [01:39:30] | Tivana: | oh lol, that about describes my last 15 years as an SA :D |
| [01:39:50] | kormoc: | Tivana, we don't compile PPC code for rosetta to run. |
| [01:40:25] | kormoc: | Tivana, The likely answer is someone updated the firewire code and it broke the OS X side of things. it's a rather... un-tested backend platform |
| [01:40:30] | Tivana: | it was from the wiki page and it was unclear how old the entry was, it's heartening to see the PPC bits have been killed tho |
| [01:41:07] | Tivana: | ok ty kormoc, I'll stop beating my head on it for now then |
| [01:41:41] | sphery: | Tivana: FWIW, MythTV on GNU/Linux works a treat :) |
| [01:41:45] | Tivana: | multiple searches brought up powering down/up all the components in specific orders, firewire_tester scripts, etc, but nothing I've tried / researched has either worked or applied to OS X |
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| [01:42:28] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure, though, that one of the Mac OS X developers mentioned something about a whole new firewire API in one of the new Mac OS X versions and that we don't support it |
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| [01:42:41] | sphery: | (and that it will require a significant rewrite of some stuff?) |
| [01:42:54] | sphery: | just can't find the ref |
| [01:42:59] | kormoc: | sphery, we're still targeting 10.5, so it shouldn't affect us (yet) |
| [01:43:09] | sphery: | he's running 10.6.6 |
| [01:43:16] | sphery: | where's the new one come in? |
| [01:43:26] | Tivana: | hmm.. I can downgrade to 10.5 if you think that will work |
| [01:43:28] | sphery: | maybe it's Lion? |
| [01:43:30] | kormoc: | sphery, sure, but xcode comes with multiple SDK's. We're telling it to compile binaries for 10.5 |
| [01:43:42] | sphery: | oh |
| [01:44:00] | sphery: | I will admit to knowing nothing about Mac OS |
| [01:44:04] | sphery: | so best bet is to ignore me :) |
| [01:44:28] | Tivana: | lol, kormoc is it likely if I reinstall down to 10.5 that it might work? |
| [01:44:30] | kormoc: | it /shouldn't/ affect us until we target 10.6, but I've certainly been wrong before |
| [01:44:50] | kormoc: | Tivana, you could give it a go, it's the os version that is most tested currently |
| [01:45:06] | sphery: | I can't even spell it... Is it Mac OS? Or MacOS? Or Mac OS X? Or MacOS X? Or ...? And do you say "X" or "Ten" or "criss-cross" or? |
| [01:45:18] | ** sphery is not a Mac Genius(TM) ** | |
| [01:45:26] | iamlindoro: | It's a skull and crossbones |
| [01:45:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:45:30] | Tivana: | I'll give it a shot, nothing compelling in 10.6 and I'd really like to see this work |
| [01:45:34] | iamlindoro: | properly pronounced Mac Oh Ess YARRRRRR |
| [01:45:44] | sphery: | lol |
| [01:46:35] | Tivana: | OS X and I pronounce it "Mac OS" because anything else gets confused looks |
| [01:46:54] | iamlindoro: | sphery, FWIW, I believe "ten" is correct |
| [01:47:11] | iamlindoro: | at least, that's what Steve says |
| [01:47:21] | sphery: | ah, I suppose he of all people should know |
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| [01:47:42] | Tivana: | so glad I popped in here, I would have been googling for hours on the FW part, I'll let you guys know if it's happier with 10.5 |
| [01:48:17] | sphery: | Tivana: I think the 10.5 thing meant that we compile such that we use the 10.5 APIs, but that 10.6 should run the compiled code without issue |
| [01:48:23] | sphery: | so likely downgrading won't help |
| [01:48:24] | sphery: | ? |
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| [01:51:06] | Tivana: | ah, scrolled back and re-read… hmm, well then I'm not sure what to do, I would think if it broke FW then there would have been a lot more screaming by now |
| [01:54:14] | sphery: | yeah, likely there would have been more discussion |
| [01:54:42] | sphery: | and since I couldn't find reference to the conversation I'm kind of remembering, I probably was missing a big part of the story |
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| [01:58:50] | ** mag0o makes a note of sphery not able to find a reference ** | |
| [01:59:01] | mag0o: | first time for everything? |
| [01:59:48] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:59:57] | sphery: | seems my powers are fading |
| [02:00:03] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [02:00:43] | Tivana: | os x could just be your kryptonite ! it has that kind of power I think |
| [02:01:08] | sphery: | yeah, I'd believe that |
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| [02:10:55] | Wicked: | is there any easy way to turn off comm flagging for my shows? |
| [02:11:00] | Wicked: | besides going through each rule? |
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| [02:11:21] | kormoc: | Wicked, turn it off in mythtv-setup? |
| [02:11:54] | Wicked: | gmm |
| [02:11:56] | Wicked: | *hmm |
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| [02:13:12] | Wicked: | what the heck....i checked earlier and i had a few shows recording tonight.....now i just looked again...and i have like 50 conflicts for the next few weeks...a couple a day. |
| [02:13:36] | Wicked: | when earlier i had no conflicts except maybe 13 days away due to the schdeulde data not goign further |
| [02:13:52] | Wicked: | what the heck would cause this? |
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| [02:14:19] | [R]: | schedule data updated? |
| [02:14:29] | [R]: | you triggered a reschedule? |
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| [02:15:03] | Wicked: | i have not done anything. i checked about a hour ago...went out for a run...took a shower then came back and checked again. |
| [02:15:48] | [R]: | both of those things can happen autonomously |
| [02:15:59] | Wicked: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2011-03–13 18:09 and ended on 2011-03–13 18:09. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 2 of 2 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. |
| [02:16:01] | Wicked: | i see that. |
| [02:16:02] | sphery: | Wicked: remote backend offline? |
| [02:16:10] | Wicked: | sphery, only one backend and its online |
| [02:16:20] | kormoc: | Wicked, is your SD account valid? |
| [02:16:21] | Wicked: | There's guide data until 2011-03–30 02:00 (17 days). |
| [02:16:28] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [02:16:28] | Wicked: | DataDirect Status: Your subscription expires on Fri Oct 14 12:28 PM |
| [02:16:32] | Wicked: | yea... |
| [02:16:34] | kormoc: | 17 days? |
| [02:16:34] | Wicked: | weird right? |
| [02:16:45] | Wicked: | it should only have 14 days |
| [02:16:48] | sphery: | and backend status shows all recorders online? |
| [02:16:58] | sphery: | 17 is possible with --dd-grab-all |
| [02:17:00] | Wicked: | Encoder Status |
| [02:17:00] | Wicked: | Encoder 1 is local on Core and is not recording. |
| [02:17:01] | Wicked: | Encoder 3 is local on Core and is recording 'Alaska State Troopers' on NGCHD. This recording is scheduled to end at 11:00 PM. |
| [02:17:05] | kormoc: | sphery, ooh? |
| [02:17:16] | sphery: | and the approximation of how we determine "days" of data |
| [02:17:16] | Wicked: | sphery, i am using that option as was recomended |
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| [02:17:41] | Wicked: | i just dont get why my schedule thrashed itself and is all fubar now |
| [02:17:43] | sphery: | it's likely full to 14 days and you have some data for some channels for up to 17days |
| [02:17:49] | sphery: | or 16.<some> |
| [02:18:12] | sphery: | Wicked: and you normally only have 2 cards? |
| [02:18:14] | Wicked: | yea |
| [02:18:24] | Wicked: | one pvr-150 and one firewire connection |
| [02:18:49] | sphery: | 2 stb's (or pvr-150 using tuner)? |
| [02:19:11] | Wicked: | 1 stb. 1 capture card group? 2 inputs |
| [02:19:19] | sphery: | input group |
| [02:19:22] | Wicked: | bingo |
| [02:19:35] | sphery: | so basically you can only use 1 card/input at a time? |
| [02:19:40] | Wicked: | correct |
| [02:19:54] | Wicked: | firewire does hd capture while pvr captures all else |
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| [02:20:03] | sphery: | strange... that would make losing a capture card not a possibility |
| [02:20:21] | Wicked: | this is the 2nd time my schedule has gone haywire |
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| [02:20:45] | Wicked: | im thinking its about time i drop all rules and start new ones....i have a feeling something somewhere is wrong |
| [02:20:51] | Wicked: | ive had this same database for like...years. |
| [02:21:07] | sphery: | whatever is happening shouldn't be |
| [02:21:11] | Wicked: | indeed |
| [02:21:48] | Wicked: | First recording: Wednesday September 17th, 2008 |
| [02:21:51] | Wicked: | :o |
| [02:21:57] | sphery: | I have heard of similar types of symptoms from users who have invalid input connections configuration--but that actually seem to work for a while--then out of nowhere, things go bad and the scheduler doesn't schedule things |
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| [02:22:13] | sphery: | i.e. this happens if you, for example, define a capture card in mythtv and do not connect inputs |
| [02:22:27] | sphery: | or if you define a video source and don't connect it to any inputs |
| [02:22:42] | sphery: | basically, you should only tell mythtv about the things it can actually use |
| [02:22:50] | Wicked: | well this has worked great...up until about a month or so ago...i tried to tell mythtv to NOT record a show...then all heck broke lose....then everything was fine. |
| [02:22:59] | Wicked: | now its happenign again(this time i didnt touch anything) |
| [02:23:04] | sphery: | I'd actually try the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 as a first step |
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| [02:23:24] | sphery: | if that doesn't work, then both the capture card and video sources portion of it |
| [02:23:31] | sphery: | if that doesn't work, I'd be out of ideas |
| [02:23:54] | Wicked: | hmmm |
| [02:24:09] | Wicked: | well |
| [02:24:18] | sphery: | fwiw, my database is still going good and: First recording: Monday May 3rd, 2004 |
| [02:24:54] | Tivana: | sphery I think you were actually correct about the new firewire API, I think 0.24 for OS X removed support for the firewire 'fix' (that was actually running mythbackend using rosetta) by being intel only – I'm going to try installing 0.23 and enabling rosetta instead to see if that fixes it |
| [02:24:56] | Wicked: | to be hounest....it took me like 1–2 hours to properly setup my channels for my firewire card. i only get like 10–20 channels with it...and have over 1000 channels.....which i had to go through and select hide for |
| [02:25:00] | Tivana: | based on this thread: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythtvformaco . . . opic/3955038 |
| [02:25:08] | Wicked: | i am not ready to do that again |
| [02:25:34] | sphery: | Wicked: and if you do the capture card portion of the above and everything seems good when you restart, but the actual problem is in your video sources configuration, then it will happen again. So, you might just want to do both the capture card and video sources portion of the post to be safe... |
| [02:25:54] | sphery: | but doing just the capture card portion, you won't lose any channel stuff |
| [02:26:05] | sphery: | and if the problem is there, then it won't happen again |
| [02:26:29] | sphery: | so you could just do capture card portion, then if it happens again, bring out the big nukes and do both capture card and video sources |
| [02:26:39] | sphery: | (video sources portion means you have to redo channels) |
| [02:26:45] | Wicked: | so you saying go into the setup and remove both cards....then readd them..resassing them...then re run mythfill? |
| [02:27:08] | Wicked: | idk. i do not want to go through all 1000 channels again. |
| [02:27:21] | Wicked: | it was painfully tedious and unplesant |
| [02:27:38] | Wicked: | i will avoid that route at all costs. |
| [02:27:47] | sphery: | mythfilldatabase isn't necessary |
| [02:28:01] | sphery: | unless you do the video sources stuff |
| [02:28:12] | sphery: | if you do just capture cards, channels and listings are unaffected |
| [02:28:48] | sphery: | just Delete all capture cards, create new cards (in opposite ordered desired for Live TV usage), then connect video sources to inputs (in order desired for recording usage), then profit |
| [02:28:55] | Wicked: | well..it seems that mythfill triggered this...or something else im not seeing. |
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| [02:29:07] | sphery: | I still think it's "something else" |
| [02:29:27] | sphery: | i.e. broken data in your input connections config--and it just "appeared" all was well before :) |
| [02:29:35] | Wicked: | i am running mythfill now(as i have a recording goign anyway) |
| [02:29:44] | Wicked: | and dont want to cancle the recording to enter mythsetup |
| [02:29:57] | sphery: | yeah, when you get a break in recording, try doing just the capture card stuff |
| [02:30:09] | Wicked: | its weird too. |
| [02:30:17] | Wicked: | its listing several shows conflicting at once |
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| [02:30:35] | Wicked: | as in for example: futurama is listed 2 times in the same slow |
| [02:31:13] | ** wagnerrp doesnt know what a slow is ** | |
| [02:31:18] | ugliefrog: | how do i remove all the config files so i can do a fresh install |
| [02:31:27] | Wicked: | lol |
| [02:31:28] | wagnerrp: | drop database mythconveg; |
| [02:31:32] | Wicked: | *show :) |
| [02:31:40] | Wicked: | http://picpaste.com/pics/mytht-broken-Lp45xx7s.1300069896.png |
| [02:31:54] | Wicked: | also...i dont think alot of those conflicting shows are new |
| [02:32:03] | Wicked: | which all my rules are for "new episodes only" |
| [02:32:19] | wagnerrp: | looks normal to me |
| [02:32:20] | Wicked: | like the office, futurama, top gear,... |
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| [02:33:16] | Wicked: | mythfill fixed it |
| [02:33:22] | Wicked: | so..what the heck is goign on? |
| [02:33:29] | Wicked: | should i just not use the dd-grab-all option? |
| [02:33:32] | wagnerrp: | scheduling as normal |
| [02:33:41] | sphery: | mythfilldatabase likely just triggered a new reschedule, which "fixed" the symptom |
| [02:33:42] | wagnerrp: | you have one 'fios hd' tuner |
| [02:33:45] | sphery: | the problem, however, still exists |
| [02:33:53] | Wicked: | manually running mythfill with no options is fine. |
| [02:34:01] | wagnerrp: | its already being used for alaska state troopers |
| [02:34:08] | wagnerrp: | so none of those other recordings could record |
| [02:34:11] | sphery: | --dd-grab-all can't do it |
| [02:34:15] | Wicked: | they shouldnt. |
| [02:34:26] | wagnerrp: | although for some reason, it wasnt picking up later showings |
| [02:34:47] | Wicked: | http://picpaste.com/pics/mythtv-fixed-9ZkuxWP7.1300070083.png |
| [02:34:48] | sphery: | but with --dd-grab-all, you can have data missing for a longer period of time, meaning that until that data is put back, your scheduling will be useless |
| [02:34:53] | Wicked: | thats normal now... |
| [02:35:04] | sphery: | but when mythfilldatabase completes, it /will/ ask for a reschedule |
| [02:35:05] | Wicked: | see how its not set to record *alot* of those shows that where conflicting? |
| [02:35:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i thought dd-grab-all did all days each time |
| [02:35:31] | wagnerrp: | g4 still exists? |
| [02:35:53] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [02:35:59] | Wicked: | but not in hd :( |
| [02:36:07] | sphery: | --dd-grab-all downloads listings for the entire lineup for all days (as much data as is available), then deletes all listings in the DB, then starts stuffing the new data back in |
| [02:36:22] | wagnerrp: | oh, right... gaps |
| [02:36:22] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [02:36:49] | wagnerrp: | perhaps we could create a temporary table to load the data into |
| [02:36:52] | sphery: | without --dd-grab-all, mfdb downloads listings for one day (tomorrow, +13, or somewhere in between), then deletes all listings in the DB for that day, then starts stuffing the new data back in, then downloads data for one day, then ... |
| [02:36:54] | wagnerrp: | and then just shift it in? |
| [02:37:02] | sphery: | and does it somewhere between 2 and 7 times |
| [02:37:04] | Wicked: | so if im understanding you right...which im prob not...dd-grab-all...tries to get more data...but does not handle scheduling the same as normal mythfill no options? |
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| [02:37:35] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: hes saying normal operation will not be lacking more than a day at a time |
| [02:37:44] | wagnerrp: | while dd-grab-all will dump it all at once |
| [02:37:47] | sphery: | Wicked: no, it's identical--just all done at once rather than in 2 to 7 partial increments |
| [02:38:08] | wagnerrp: | although the scheduling information should be stale at that point |
| [02:38:15] | Wicked: | hmm. i dont really see why that would make it geek out like this. |
| [02:38:39] | sphery: | Wicked: but because it necessarily takes longer to delete and then insert 14 (to 17) days of data than to delete and insert 1 day of data, there will be a longer period of time during which you have no listings when you use --dd-grab-all |
| [02:38:41] | Wicked: | but thats why im not a mythtv dev |
| [02:38:44] | Wicked: | and you guys are lol |
| [02:38:49] | sphery: | Wicked: however, mythfilldatabase will /always/ re-run the scheduler |
| [02:39:06] | sphery: | and, yeah, that's what I'm saying--that --dd-grab-all will /not/ make it "geek out like that" |
| [02:39:13] | ** wagnerrp prefers code monkey ** | |
| [02:39:26] | ** wagnerrp must get back to coding as MONKEY-LIZARD IS DISPLEASED ** | |
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| [02:39:54] | Wicked: | sphery, hmm. now im really confused... when you say --dd-grab-all will NOT make it "geek out like that".....when it did. |
| [02:40:04] | sphery: | Wicked: no, it didn't |
| [02:40:12] | wagnerrp: | no, hes saying it WILL cause problems during that interim period |
| [02:40:24] | Wicked: | im just trying to wrap my head around this and not trying to say your wrong or anything like that. im genually trying to understnad :) |
| [02:40:25] | wagnerrp: | but presumably that period will be some time late at night |
| [02:40:31] | wagnerrp: | and not the exact time you happen to look at it |
| [02:40:32] | sphery: | Wicked: mythfilldatabase performed a reschedule--as it does after /all/ mythfilldatabase runs--and something broke that reschedule |
| [02:40:40] | sphery: | Wicked: so whatever broke that reschedule is your real problem |
| [02:40:52] | Wicked: | oh ok. |
| [02:41:04] | Wicked: | and when i just reran it...it succedded |
| [02:41:37] | sphery: | Wicked: and I would guess that what broke that reschedule is either a) a timing issue (though reschedule with no data just yields no matches and can /not/, by definition, yield conflicts) or b) (my best guess) a problem with your input connections configuration |
| [02:42:17] | sphery: | where it's close, so it looks like it's working right, but things aren't defined properly, so depending on many factors, in some reschedules, mythbackend will get the wrong information and do the wrong thing |
| [02:42:39] | sphery: | and the best way to fix that is by clearing your input connections configuration and redoing them without the mistake :) |
| [02:42:52] | Wicked: | ok gotcha. |
| [02:42:55] | sphery: | start with the capture card portion since it's a 30s effort |
| [02:43:02] | Wicked: | yea |
| [02:43:12] | sphery: | and if you ever have the schedule "freaking out" again, then do both capture card and video sources :) |
| [02:43:25] | Wicked: | could it possibly be a corrupt mysql db? |
| [02:43:33] | Wicked: | ive been notcing mysqld taking up alot of cpu |
| [02:43:43] | Wicked: | when it doesnt seem like it should. |
| [02:43:48] | sphery: | I suppose it's possible |
| [02:44:04] | Wicked: | maybe i should try to run umm.... |
| [02:44:11] | Wicked: | i cant think of the name of it atm. |
| [02:44:14] | Wicked: | i have it written down |
| [02:44:20] | Wicked: | mysqlfix or something |
| [02:44:42] | Wicked: | mysqlcheck iirc |
| [02:45:18] | sphery: | or you can use optimize_mythdb.pl to run it for you |
| [02:45:32] | sphery: | (or run equivalent functionality, actually) |
| [02:45:42] | Wicked: | i was just googling around. i was gonna run mysql check 1st then that :) |
| [02:45:57] | Wicked: | as i have no idea what the optimize_mythdb.pl does. |
| [02:45:59] | sphery: | I actually run optimize_mythdb.pl in a cron job daily |
| [02:46:09] | sphery: | if you look at the script, you'll see it's nothing special |
| [02:46:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: fiddling around with all this database stuff in qt... makes me miss my nice database classes in the bindings |
| [02:46:41] | Wicked: | ah. |
| [02:46:44] | Wicked: | i have...never run it |
| [02:46:44] | sphery: | it's basically: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "ANALYZE TABLE <tablename>; OPTIMIZE TABLE <tablename>; |
| [02:46:44] | Wicked: | lol |
| [02:46:47] | sphery: | for each table |
| [02:46:50] | Wicked: | in like...2 years |
| [02:46:52] | Wicked: | maybe its time... |
| [02:47:04] | sphery: | (sorry about the missing end quote--new keyboard, not used to enter key |
| [02:47:21] | sphery: | the forgotten end paren, though, was just my mistake :) |
| [02:47:26] | Wicked: | is it safe to run anytime? |
| [02:47:34] | Wicked: | or should it run when nothing is going on? |
| [02:47:42] | sphery: | it's best if run when the system isn't busy |
| [02:47:42] | Wicked: | ie..can i run it now with 13 mins left in my show |
| [02:48:02] | sphery: | and especially if it's the first run in a long time |
| [02:48:17] | sphery: | it will lock tables when it does its work, and it can take a while if you haven't been running it daily |
| [02:48:39] | sphery: | it would likely work fine now, without causing problems, but I can't guarantee that |
| [02:48:41] | Wicked: | ah yea. it will be the 1st run in..... 2 years 5 months 24 days 7 hrs 27 mins |
| [02:48:43] | Wicked: | lol |
| [02:48:52] | sphery: | heh, yeah, I'd wait 13min |
| [02:49:24] | Wicked: | i think ill have to stick this in a cronjob when all is said and done. |
| [02:50:14] | sphery: | fwiw, you could give mysqltuner a try, too: wget mysqltuner.pl |
| [02:50:45] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [02:51:12] | Wicked: | never heard of it...looking into what it is now |
| [02:51:35] | Wicked: | ah. |
| [02:54:39] | sphery: | ooh, above I forgot the REPAIR TABLE part of the script :) |
| [02:56:51] | Wicked: | oh. also when im in the setup...i can disable comm flagging for everything? |
| [02:57:04] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:57:10] | wagnerrp: | you can disable commflag from running on your backend |
| [02:57:11] | Wicked: | commflagging is really bogging down my system and i dont really use it much |
| [02:57:27] | wagnerrp: | what is your system? |
| [02:57:28] | Wicked: | i just dont want to go through everysingle rule and turn it off |
| [02:57:49] | wagnerrp: | although i suppose commflagging an HDPVR would bog down most systems... |
| [02:57:52] | Wicked: | its ok. dualcore amd...3.1ghz, 4 gigs ram. |
| [02:58:01] | sphery: | uncheck "Allow commercial-detection jobs" |
| [02:58:08] | Wicked: | but yea. the hd stuff takes a long time |
| [02:58:10] | Wicked: | :) |
| [02:58:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I never notice |
| [02:58:20] | Wicked: | ah ok awesome. a quick way to turn it off on. |
| [02:58:24] | ** kormoc whistles and looks around ** | |
| [02:58:26] | sphery: | or you can set a period for jobs to run |
| [02:58:37] | sphery: | and have it do them when you're not using the system for other stuff |
| [02:58:46] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: that should be plenty fast for real time commflagging |
| [02:58:48] | Wicked: | i dont really need commflagging. i can skip commercials if i want :) |
| [02:58:58] | Wicked: | wagnerrp, its prob hdd |
| [02:59:03] | Wicked: | its old drive.... |
| [02:59:05] | Wicked: | *a |
| [02:59:06] | wagnerrp: | its probably not hdd |
| [02:59:14] | wagnerrp: | considering that video is pumping all of 1.5MB/s |
| [02:59:25] | Wicked: | hmm. |
| [02:59:28] | wagnerrp: | and you did have to store it TO the hdd in the first place at that speed |
| [02:59:29] | sphery: | could be if it has bad sectors and the drive is constantly re-reading and moving sectors |
| [02:59:43] | sphery: | that will kill performance like you wouldn't believe |
| [02:59:44] | Wicked: | well. whatever the case....when mythcomm is running the machine is kinda lagged. |
| [02:59:53] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: you can set a time frame to run the jobqueue during |
| [03:00:06] | wagnerrp: | such as... only run commflagging between midnight and 6am |
| [03:00:12] | Wicked: | ah yea. i normally: record, watch, delete.... |
| [03:00:14] | Wicked: | yea |
| [03:00:23] | Wicked: | recordings normally dont stick around for all too long |
| [03:00:47] | Wicked: | if i want a show archived for long periods ill re encode it to something more efficient :) |
| [03:01:05] | wagnerrp: | not bloodly likely |
| [03:02:45] | Wicked: | finally...time to run that script |
| [03:03:19] | Wicked: | ...didnt take that long |
| [03:03:20] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [03:03:38] | sphery: | heh, well better safe than sorry :) |
| [03:03:49] | sphery: | unless it didn't take long because it failed to run |
| [03:04:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im serious, when i think about how all of this would be done just by making an empty class of the proper name, this is extremely tedious |
| [03:04:48] | Wicked: | i did not see anything indicating a error |
| [03:04:57] | ** wagnerrp misses introspection ** | |
| [03:05:06] | Wicked: | and for good measure i also ran: mysqlcheck --auto-repair --all-databases -uroot -p |
| [03:05:11] | Wicked: | which showed "ok" |
| [03:05:14] | Wicked: | for all tables |
| [03:06:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: all of which? |
| [03:06:46] | wagnerrp: | this jobqueue stuff |
| [03:06:56] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [03:06:59] | wagnerrp: | a programinfo type class but for the jobqueue |
| [03:07:25] | Wicked: | hmmm. |
| [03:07:33] | Wicked: | i used to be able to run mythtv-setup over ssh |
| [03:07:41] | Wicked: | but it doesnt want to cooperate right now |
| [03:07:44] | wagnerrp: | you still can run mythtv-setup over ssh |
| [03:07:56] | wagnerrp: | try -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [03:08:45] | sphery: | :) |
| [03:08:55] | Wicked: | eek. still nothing :| |
| [03:09:11] | sphery: | love your idea for that--the one that's in master, now |
| [03:09:29] | sphery: | Wicked: what specifically is happening? error messages? anything? |
| [03:09:43] | Wicked: | yea http://picpaste.com/pics/error-sVylnQkd.1300072179.png |
| [03:09:51] | Wicked: | i could not copy paste due to it being on the other machine |
| [03:10:08] | Wicked: | but i can run other things over ssh |
| [03:10:16] | sphery: | ssh -Y |
| [03:10:20] | Wicked: | for example i can start "pureadmin" a gui for managing pureftpd |
| [03:10:20] | sphery: | perhaps? |
| [03:10:22] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [03:10:28] | Wicked: | im using "ssh -X machine" |
| [03:10:34] | sphery: | use -Y |
| [03:10:37] | sphery: | not -X |
| [03:11:31] | Wicked: | that produces a diff erorr. |
| [03:11:34] | Wicked: | let me pastebin |
| [03:11:46] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/sFguq139 |
| [03:12:19] | Wicked: | not sure that is too helpful though.. |
| [03:12:51] | sphery: | hmmm... weird |
| [03:13:07] | sphery: | segfault, it seems |
| [03:13:29] | sphery: | based on: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gnomesegvhandler": libgnomesegvhandler.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [03:13:37] | Wicked: | hmm. let me try to restart x here locally. i few x packages where updated 2 days ago |
| [03:13:45] | Wicked: | ..its worth a shot. |
| [03:13:46] | Wicked: | brb. |
| [03:17:01] | Wicked: | bingo |
| [03:17:04] | Wicked: | that worked |
| [03:18:33] | Wicked: | well. i appreciate all your guys's help tonight. thanks :) |
| [03:20:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: re: "fat monkey" -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/29/faceb . . . urkey_prank/ and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/31/faceb . . . ages_abused/ |
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| [03:38:01] | Wicked: | oh..i know this is not what mythtv is for...but it would be nice to have....is there anyway to set it up so mythtv is just passing the video/audio through?. it would be cool to have like a special channel you can goto and have it be closer to real time...so i could use VOD stuff from my provider. |
| [03:38:24] | Wicked: | ...i know mythtv is not designed for this..but is it possible? and has anyone done anything like this? |
| [03:39:13] | sphery: | I think the closest you'll get to that is having an EXECTV item in a menu, and set it up to call tvtime or xawtv or whatever |
| [03:40:17] | Wicked: | ah. yea that wont really work for my setup. my mythtv box is headless and i only use remote frontends. |
| [03:40:48] | sphery: | in that case, getting closer to real time will be virtually impossible |
| [03:41:02] | sphery: | you'll still have buffering, and skipping the disk won't improve stuff |
| [03:41:07] | sphery: | (since the network comes into play) |
| [03:41:46] | sphery: | at least, I would guess that's the case |
| [03:42:18] | Wicked: | yea |
| [03:42:36] | Wicked: | i know it wont be realtime...but i was hoping for the closest i could get. |
| [03:42:47] | Wicked: | right now i can hit a button and wait 3–5 seconds |
| [03:42:49] | Wicked: | lol |
| [03:43:00] | Wicked: | which makes browsing menus less then ideal |
| [03:43:33] | wagnerrp: | then simple, a few hours of hacking would tie irw on one machine to irsend on another |
| [03:43:39] | sphery: | yeah, definitely painful trying to do interactive stuff on an STB through MythTV |
| [03:43:40] | wagnerrp: | or half an hour if you knew what you were doing |
| [03:45:07] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [03:45:21] | Wicked: | is there settings my mythtv to adjust the buffer size? |
| [03:45:23] | Wicked: | or time |
| [03:45:31] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [03:45:38] | Wicked: | i didnt think so |
| [03:46:32] | Wicked: | hmm. im getting alot of stuttering while watching tv.... |
| [03:46:37] | Wicked: | and short pauses |
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| [03:48:10] | Wicked: | i tried both using vdpau profiles and non vdpau...still seem to be getting it...now it seems to really do it when the osd is onscreen |
| [03:48:33] | wagnerrp: | what video card do you have? |
| [03:48:45] | Wicked: | gtx260 |
| [03:48:54] | Wicked: | using latest drivers from nvidia |
| [03:49:47] | Wicked: | using the "high quality" profile seems to play the video smoother...but the osd looks worse and it seems to lockup video a bit when the osd comes/goes |
| [03:50:09] | Wicked: | (no vdpau high quality that is) |
| [03:50:29] | Wicked: | with vdpau it seems to pause/stutter every few seconds with playback |
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| [03:56:09] | Wicked: | oh well. ill look into this more tomorrow...i need to get off the computer |
| [03:56:19] | Wicked: | again thanks for all the help guys. :) |
| [03:59:40] | Tivana: | Success w/10.6 OS X + 0.23 over Firewire! |
| [04:01:36] | Tivana: | and it's totally ok that I'm the only one excited about it! |
| [04:10:41] | kormoc: | Tivana, so 0.24 has the regression? |
| [04:11:35] | Tivana: | yes, the intel-only version does not properly support firewire |
| [04:11:40] | Tivana: | which is 0.24 |
| [04:12:27] | kormoc: | Tivana, ahh, gotcha |
| [04:13:46] | Tivana: | I'll keep an eye out for an update with a fix, but I'm good for now, very happy it's up and running |
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| [04:40:44] | ugliefrog: | is there away to reset the tuner card from the terminal...i had my card out and in another machine....I put it back in my machine but when i start to watch tv it says |
| [04:40:59] | ugliefrog: | please wait and goes back to menu |
| [04:41:00] | wagnerrp: | unload and load the kernel module |
| [04:41:30] | ugliefrog: | ok how do you unload and then load the kernel module |
| [04:42:40] | wagnerrp: | rmmod |
| [04:43:18] | ugliefrog: | thats it..ok i can manage that |
| [04:44:41] | ugliefrog: | well thats not it...i thought i would just ype it in but there are some arguments |
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| [04:51:51] | wagnerrp: | rmmod <the module you want to remove> |
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| [05:49:07] | kisak_: | I don't understand why mythtv would successfully capture 18MB of an episode and then silently drop the capture (off of a HDHR) |
| [05:49:26] | wagnerrp: | were you... recording two shows? |
| [05:49:57] | kisak_: | the previous timeslot had 2 recording on seperate tuners of the HDHR |
| [05:50:40] | wagnerrp: | two separate physical or virtual tuners? |
| [05:50:49] | kisak_: | it' |
| [05:51:06] | kisak_: | it's the dual tuner HDHR model |
| [05:51:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, and the mythtv libraries for accessing the dual tuner model have a bug |
| [05:51:36] | wagnerrp: | where if you use IPs rather than device IDs to access the tuners |
| [05:51:43] | wagnerrp: | you will only ever be able to access the first tuner |
| [05:52:16] | wagnerrp: | along with all sorts of complications where mythtv retunes an in-use first tuner, because it thinks it is controlling the second |
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| [05:53:18] | kisak_: | So I take it this is an ongoing issue which is documented and there's no point in troubleshooting this particular case? |
| [05:53:40] | wagnerrp: | the issue is resolved by deleting your tuners, and adding them back using the device ID |
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| [05:54:09] | kisak_: | I have never used the HDHR by direct IP |
| [05:54:30] | wagnerrp: | how long ago did you set it up? |
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| [05:55:12] | wagnerrp: | even still, i would just check to make sure |
| [05:55:25] | wagnerrp: | considering thats a fairly easy fix |
| [05:55:32] | wagnerrp: | and i dont know of anything else that could be causing it |
| [05:55:43] | kisak_: | they were last re-added when I dropped all the tuners after a server move shortly after moving to 0.24-fixes |
| [05:57:46] | kisak_: | why you lousy piece of config ... it is using manual IP assignment |
| [05:58:38] | ** wagnerrp wins ** | |
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| [06:14:17] | kisak_: | wagnerrp: well, thanks for the nudge, is there a easier way to reassign the tuner IDs other than dropping all the tuners and re-adding them? |
| [06:15:13] | wagnerrp: | nope, because if you try to change them in the UI, it makes new ones anyway, and the whole thing gets screwed up |
| [06:15:26] | wagnerrp: | if you kept the default timings and such |
| [06:15:46] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt take more than 2 minutes to delete them all, add them all back, and remap the sources |
| [06:16:33] | kisak_: | I'll just need to log all the settings since it's getting to have been too long since I made the channel changer settings |
| [06:16:52] | wagnerrp: | you may want to delete all tuners, and add them all back |
| [06:17:02] | wagnerrp: | if you got additional tuners, and want to maintain ordering for scheduler purposes |
| [06:17:30] | ** wagnerrp goes to bed ** | |
| [06:18:02] | kisak_: | I just want to get rid of double digit tuner IDs because Retro-wide doesn't show the second digit |
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| [10:39:24] | hashbang: | morning, all! |
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| [10:53:31] | justinh: | morning :-) |
| [10:55:12] | justinh: | heh "a dev has been threatening to remove the program details page because he doesn't like the fact that it uses html". +1 |
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| [12:00:27] | waxhead: | hi, the mythtv.org web site as a link to Trac for bug tracking, but only points to code.mythtv.org, no trac |
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| [12:02:59] | skd5aner: | waxhead: look at the links at code.mythtv.org |
| [12:03:33] | skd5aner: | waxhead: it's the most basic of web pages, there's only 19 words on it and 3 links |
| [12:03:33] | waxhead: | skd5aner, duh.. sorry for the noise.. :-/ |
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| [14:37:00] | skd5aner: | !seen RDV_linux |
| [14:37:00] | MythLogBot: | RDV_linux was last seen 29 days 5 hours 1 minute 22 seconds ago |
| [14:52:48] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: if a user makes a hardware change, such as adding a new video card, will the hardware profiler be able to detect that a change occured and prompt for creation of a new hardware profile? |
| [14:53:07] | iamlindoro: | There is never a need for a new profile |
| [14:53:12] | iamlindoro: | the same profile gets updated monthly |
| [14:53:27] | iamlindoro: | you wouldn't want a totally fresh profile, just for the single one you have to be kept current |
| [14:56:48] | skd5aner: | gotcha – I suppose that's what I meant – a way to "refresh" the profile |
| [14:56:53] | skd5aner: | cool |
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| [15:01:49] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: each version of each profile is stored historically (i think) |
| [15:01:59] | wagnerrp: | so overwriting an existing profile doesnt actually delete any information |
| [15:02:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Really? Must all be server-side, I haven't seen any way to roll back trhough time |
| [15:03:21] | skd5aner: | is it safe to say that data sent to the smolt server is anonymously collected/stored ? |
| [15:03:40] | iamlindoro: | not only is it safe to say so, it's explicitly said |
| [15:04:00] | iamlindoro: | the popups that prompt the user about the data collection specifically let them know that it's anonymous |
| [15:04:00] | skd5aner: | I would assume that there is still a unique ID that ties a machine to a stored profile, correct? |
| [15:04:16] | iamlindoro: | there's a randomly generated string that the client identifies as |
| [15:04:31] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: cool, just getting to March in the commit log, so might be asking some pre-emptive questions here which have already been asked/answered :) |
| [15:05:00] | skd5aner: | basically, when your branch was merged into master |
| [15:05:40] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: yeah, i thought the information collected was permanent, there just wasnt anything set up to view it at current |
| [15:05:58] | wagnerrp: | that said, i havent actually looked through the server at all |
| [15:08:14] | wagnerrp: | perhaps not, because uuid alone is a unique key |
| [15:08:32] | wagnerrp: | it does not repeat, so it would have to overwrite the last one |
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| [15:30:04] | jams: | it deletes the old data and replaces it with new. It does not keep a history |
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| [15:31:07] | skd5aner: | great, chrome locked up after an hour of edits to the wiki :P |
| [15:32:18] | skd5aner: | sweet – closed it, reopened it and the tabs last opened, and my changes are still there |
| [15:32:26] | skd5aner: | Chrome FTW! |
| [15:32:53] | wagnerrp: | chrome locked up |
| [15:33:46] | skd5aner: | is that a question? |
| [15:33:53] | wagnerrp: | that was a statement |
| [15:34:11] | wagnerrp: | youre saying chrome is great because of how well it recovers from problems |
| [15:34:29] | wagnerrp: | thats like saying you buy from X hard drive manufacturer because of their great warranty |
| [15:34:41] | skd5aner: | well, if something's going to happen, at least recover gracefully |
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| [15:35:11] | skd5aner: | Would never have expected a browser to "save" the form data prior to a crash and restore it |
| [15:36:53] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: do you know if the hardware profiler added any additional dependencies? I see that kormoc added some to the gentoo ebuild, but wanted to double check with you first before assuming what he added were indeed new requirements |
| [15:37:03] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ref. https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/ecd4e83d9 |
| [15:38:13] | wagnerrp: | yes, several |
| [15:38:16] | wagnerrp: | but im removing them |
| [15:38:24] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: actually – back to your analogy... it'd be a little more like buying a hard drive from manufacturer X, and it crashes, and then when it was restored to functionallity, all my data was automatically receovered |
| [15:38:25] | wagnerrp: | my local copy of the profiler has no requirements |
| [15:38:48] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: alright, I'll hold off on putting them in the dependency change section of the wiki – thanks |
| [15:39:19] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: let me know if that changes – I really want that section to be as close to 100% accurate/complete as possible at release |
| [15:39:27] | wagnerrp: | will do |
| [15:40:03] | skd5aner: | Is there a full list of required dependencies anywhere? |
| [15:40:14] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [15:40:17] | skd5aner: | I think there was a trac wiki page about some of the external dependencies and who managed them |
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| [15:41:04] | skd5aner: | Might make a good wiki page – I'd be willing to put it together, or at least get a good start on it, but I would probably struggle to ensure it was 100% accurate |
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| [15:43:21] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: heh, just had to click "Next Message" one more time ;) http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /078711.html |
| [15:44:03] | wagnerrp: | oh, i did commit that |
| [15:44:16] | skd5aner: | sans the bindings piece I suppose |
| [15:44:21] | wagnerrp: | ok, well all thats left is that urlgrabber, which has been removed in my local copy |
| [15:47:03] | wagnerrp: | now thats a strong building... http://betacache.gawkerassets.com/assets/imag . . . .ss_full.jpg |
| [15:48:27] | skd5aner: | I'll give you $20 if you sleep in it overnight |
| [15:48:45] | wagnerrp: | in the building, or on the boat? |
| [15:48:46] | skd5aner: | (and make it out the next day) |
| [15:48:51] | skd5aner: | building ;) |
| [15:50:28] | skd5aner: | sphery: shouldn't this actually say "Don't allow _slave_ backends to upgrade the database" since the database could potentially be remote from where the masterbackend is? http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /078713.html |
| [15:51:04] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, backends shouldnt be allowed to upgrade, period |
| [15:51:12] | wagnerrp: | make mythtv-setup do it, make it a deliberate action |
| [15:51:22] | wagnerrp: | of course mythtv-setup will be going away here... so... |
| [15:56:35] | sphery: | skd5aner: the master backend is the master backend, regardless of where the database is located |
| [15:56:51] | sphery: | but, yeah, that's the functionality it gives |
| [15:56:58] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, I just was saying... what does "remote" mean |
| [15:57:06] | skd5aner: | I would assume you mean "slave" |
| [15:57:17] | sphery: | no, I mean "remote" to the master backend |
| [15:57:20] | sphery: | i.e. not the master backend |
| [15:57:37] | skd5aner: | wouldn't any backend that's not the master backend be a slave backend? |
| [15:57:48] | sphery: | I don't say "slave" because of the baggage and the fact that some people I've worked with have a distaste for the term in computing |
| [15:58:20] | sphery: | skd5aner: exactly, any non-master-backend and any frontend are remote to the master backend |
| [15:58:29] | sphery: | in other words, "Allow only the master backend to upgrade the database" |
| [15:58:31] | skd5aner: | eh... PC :P |
| [15:59:14] | sphery: | I'd actually prefer it the way wagnerrp mentioned, but there are some people who don't want to figure out whether a DB upgrade is required before restarting their backends, so I was making our current approach safer without causing them to be upset |
| [15:59:28] | sphery: | s/master backend/master mythbackend/ |
| [15:59:40] | sphery: | since it's the process, and not a host or anything |
| [16:00:05] | skd5aner: | sphery: cool, I just wasn't sure why you just didn't use the term "slave backend" – which I just thought was basically the official mythtv term for any backend which is not the master |
| [16:00:37] | skd5aner: | and, if you intentionally didn' use "slave" because you litterally meant something else besides that |
| [16:01:02] | sphery: | no, just mean "only allow the master mythbackend process to upgrade the DB" |
| [16:01:12] | skd5aner: | k |
| [16:01:17] | sphery: | now I just have to get wagnerrp to convince the hold-outs that no backend should be allowed to upgrade the DB |
| [16:01:32] | sphery: | but, in the meantime, this is better than what we had |
| [16:02:05] | skd5aner: | that's the way I had reflected it in the release notes – like I said, I hate to assume anything – especially when people use different verbiage :) |
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| [16:02:18] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [16:02:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well when you break out the scheduler from the backend, you could rename the slaves to be children |
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| [16:03:24] | wagnerrp: | and if you wanted, you could add in some capability to allow a child backend to migrate from one scheduler to the next automatically |
| [16:03:28] | sphery: | I definitely don't mind your asking... better to get the right info out there than to try to figure out what I meant when it's not clear. :) |
| [16:03:40] | wagnerrp: | at which point it would be a 'stepchild' backend |
| [16:03:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I'm actually walking down that path, now |
| [16:04:05] | skd5aner: | sphery: well, if you didn't have the aversion to the word "slave" – I wouldn't have had to – but I'm just picking on you now |
| [16:04:08] | wagnerrp: | but then you might start running into problems with people running themes with flames |
| [16:04:37] | sphery: | currently doing the "change --logfile to --logpath and allow either a file or directory path" change that we'll need for that (and will have to do the same for --pidfile |
| [16:04:50] | wagnerrp: | all that red on the monitor (head).... for some reason the scheduler doesnt like recording things on the red-headed stepchild backend |
| [16:05:17] | sphery: | then mythtvd will be able to start multiple processes and pass a (directory) --logpath to them and they'll use their application name (which is already in there) to create the log file name |
| [16:05:31] | sphery: | heh |
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| [16:05:53] | skd5aner: | I think you should throw the word "zombie" in there somewhere... zombie backends |
| [16:06:08] | wagnerrp: | careful, they eat your recordings |
| [16:06:22] | skd5aner: | MUST... SCHEDULE... BRAI.... ERRR.... RECORDINGS |
| [16:07:29] | jams: | is that why sometimes ppl get 0 byte recordings |
| [16:09:11] | sphery: | sometimes it's not zombies... sometimes the dingos eat them. |
| [16:09:33] | sphery: | it's a dangerous world inside MythTV |
| [16:10:58] | jarle: | "DTVRec(1) Error: PES start code not found in TS packet with PUSI set" <- http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9616 Anybody seens this? This is a real show stopper for several of my HD channels... |
| [16:12:59] | sphery: | I haven't seen it. My first attempt at fixing it would be to rescan channels (but I can't guarantee that will help at all). If nothing else, it's probably worth a try. Just do a backup before ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ), and if it doesn't help, restore the old ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file ) if you don't want to redo all your channels. |
| [16:25:17] | jarle: | sphery: this is on a pretty new channel scan so I doubt that re-scanning will make any difference. as it affects several channels, and I'm apparently not the only one seeing this... |
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| [16:41:31] | kisak_: | wagnerrp: good afternoon, I finally got around for the day and re-added my tuners, looks like everything works with Livetv, I'm about to setup a test to see if the bad behavior is still around |
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| [16:48:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so does that mean that mythvideo doesn't update the filename in the videometadata record when a file gets renamed? |
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| [16:53:14] | wagnerrp: | no, it does update the filename, it doesnt re-parse the filename |
| [16:53:31] | wagnerrp: | meaning it doesnt pull new title/subtitle/season/episode out of it |
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| [17:06:38] | iamlindoro: | Nor would you want it to, as it would defeat the purpose of the hashing |
| [17:07:40] | iamlindoro: | If I put in a file called "Pilot.mpg" and then fix all the metadata to be Title = Fringe, Subtitle = Pilot, Season = 1, Episode = 1, and then move it around, rename it, whatever, reparsing the filename to overwrite those changes would be harmful |
| [17:08:02] | iamlindoro: | That said, I can probably look into making sure the metadata reset reparses |
| [17:09:02] | wagnerrp: | i initially thought adding brackets to the stuff that was blanked out would be fairly trivial, but it appears that is not the case |
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| [17:10:30] | wagnerrp: | since anything contained within them in the title/subtitle is blanked out |
| [17:10:43] | wagnerrp: | the primary regular expression would have to be designed to handle them for the season/episode directly |
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| [17:11:52] | wagnerrp: | which would require some of the more complex behaviors of regular expressions |
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| [17:37:51] | Beirdo: | #9663. I will look at this later in the day if it has not been fixed by then |
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| [17:38:19] | Beirdo: | right now I have this lovely thing called "work" |
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| [17:50:40] | wagnerrp: | is that where i go to collect the hundred thousand ohloh seems to think my code is worth? |
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| [17:55:40] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [17:55:45] | sid3windr: | yeah ours is also a bit exaggerated |
| [17:55:46] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [17:55:51] | sid3windr: | it says 15 man years |
| [17:55:57] | sid3windr: | but it's been 1 developer for 4 years and 2 for 2 years |
| [17:56:02] | sid3windr: | we must be supercoders :> |
| [17:58:42] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, were worth exactly zilch until you try to commercialize it |
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| [18:10:24] | iamlindoro: | Could probably get even more if you get yourselv one of them fancy government contracts |
| [18:10:41] | iamlindoro: | s/MythTV/UAVTV/g -> PROFIT |
| [18:10:55] | iamlindoro: | It's not a DVR, it's an archival system for predator drone footage |
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| [18:16:11] | sphery: | How do I get UAVTV to work faster. It seems like there's a multi-second delay between when I tell it to turn left and when I see it turn. Also, the UAVs seem to crash a lot, even though I tell them to turn. |
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| [18:20:32] | iamlindoro: | Thus archival, not remote viewing |
| [18:20:36] | iamlindoro: | No LiveTV! |
| [18:20:36] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:21:22] | wagnerrp: | s/TV/surveillance/ |
| [18:21:56] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but the customer is always right |
| [18:22:17] | sphery: | besides, I don't have a separate TV for driving it, so I just want to hook it up to my UAVTV |
| [18:22:21] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:23:04] | ** wagnerrp proposes UAWTime for the more inexpensive, less capable variety, with no recording support ** | |
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| [18:47:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: why change the file name parsing to not ignore bracketed info (since we've always ignored it in the past when creating titles) |
| [18:47:55] | wagnerrp: | see the user's example... 'Title [01x05] – Subtitle' |
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| [18:48:15] | wagnerrp: | 'Title 01x05 – Subtitle' is currently a valid format |
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| [18:48:47] | wagnerrp: | while something like 'Title (2009) 01x05 – Subtitle', the year would be ignored |
| [18:48:57] | sphery: | yeah, but what's wrong with making the user use a supported file name format? |
| [18:49:15] | wagnerrp: | nothing, thats why im leaving the regular expressing 'fix' up to him |
| [18:49:16] | sphery: | besides, the bracketed info is removed before parsing, right? |
| [18:49:22] | wagnerrp: | no, after |
| [18:49:41] | wagnerrp: | brackets are only allowed when used in the title and subtitle |
| [18:49:46] | sphery: | ah, yeah, after |
| [18:49:52] | wagnerrp: | use in the season/episode areas will fail the regular expression |
| [18:50:02] | wagnerrp: | and anything inside the bracketed area is nulled |
| [18:50:33] | sphery: | so it's just a matter of adding the brackets you want to allow as separators to the separator list, right? |
| [18:50:47] | sphery: | still, I think the best solution is for the user to use the right formats :) |
| [18:50:54] | wagnerrp: | no, because then it would remove the brackets everywhere |
| [18:51:08] | sphery: | remove them everywhere? |
| [18:51:09] | wagnerrp: | including the brackets around information in the title/subtitle which would otherwise be removed with the brackets |
| [18:51:27] | wagnerrp: | right now, that '(2009)' would be removed from the text completely |
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| [18:51:37] | sphery: | right |
| [18:51:46] | wagnerrp: | if parentheses were added to the list of separators |
| [18:52:02] | wagnerrp: | it would be passed to the regular expression as 'Title 2009 01x05 – Subtitle' |
| [18:52:08] | wagnerrp: | so the title would then be 'Title 2009' |
| [18:52:12] | wagnerrp: | which wouldnt match anything |
| [18:52:12] | sphery: | and if ( and ) and [ and ] were allowable separators, then it would just check to see if that was a valid season/episode (and it won't be) |
| [18:52:23] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
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| [18:52:34] | iamlindoro: | There's a reason the regexp has basically not changed for several years |
| [18:52:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: separators are used in teh regex |
| [18:52:49] | wagnerrp: | no, they arent |
| [18:52:55] | sphery: | um, yeah, they are |
| [18:52:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery and I talked through a million different scenarios when we first worked it out |
| [18:53:03] | wagnerrp: | '%20', '.', and '_' are stripped out ahead of time |
| [18:53:14] | sphery: | QString regexp = QString( ).arg(separator) |
| [18:53:44] | wagnerrp: | if you did that, the ')' would get stipped off the end of the title |
| [18:53:52] | wagnerrp: | and 'Title (2009' would be passed on |
| [18:53:54] | sphery: | anyway, if someone wants to do it and if iamlindoro wants to allow (and test) the change, that's fine |
| [18:54:13] | wagnerrp: | and since its not closed, it would be passed on to the database |
| [18:54:19] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, my previous demand for any change to it is that they create files with ALL examples found on the wiki page and test regressions |
| [18:54:25] | sphery: | I just think that users following the documented formats shouldn't be too much to ask |
| [18:54:42] | wagnerrp: | certainly not, there sure are plenty of usable formats |
| [18:54:59] | iamlindoro: | I will accept any improvements which meet that criteria and which are not obviously for the purpose of enhancing theft |
| [18:55:04] | wagnerrp: | but if the user wants to add more, and it doesnt bother the existing ones (and it isnt just to enable the use of downloaded files), more power to them |
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| [18:56:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I have some fixes that allow me to use it with all my file names and strip out info, like whether it was encoded with x264 codec and the name of the group that transcoded it for me |
| [18:56:15] | sphery: | oh, wait, ... |
| [18:56:16] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:56:40] | sphery: | sorry, it wasn't an enhancement for that--it was just a couple of scripts that already exist on google code |
| [18:56:59] | sphery: | MythStealMyVideoAndStickItToTheMan.sh |
| [18:57:06] | sphery: | and so on |
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| [20:22:33] | Nede: | hi chat!!!!! |
| [20:22:52] | kormoc: | A/S/L? |
| [20:23:01] | Nede: | Sorry for english, by google translate: |
| [20:23:04] | Nede: | All times while watching a live TV channel and, according to the timetables of TV Guide xmltv retrieved from, a program ends and another begins on the tv guide I have a still image and audio for 5 seconds and everything seems blocked, then again as if nothing had happened. |
| [20:23:04] | Nede: | I also feel that the backend at the time doing something, but I did not understand something. |
| [20:23:35] | Nede: | I hope you understand |
| [20:23:39] | kormoc: | Nede, on the program change, we start a new recording file, it can take some time to do so |
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| [20:24:52] | Nede: | kormoc, I figured, with a faster HDD could be solved? |
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| [20:25:34] | kormoc: | Nede, perhaps. it depends on the specific cause |
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| [20:26:07] | Nede: | kormoc, or raid? |
| [20:26:22] | kormoc: | you're not recording at any speed that raid would help with |
| [20:27:47] | Nede: | kormoc, but it is a common problem or is it just me who lament the problem? |
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| [20:28:11] | kormoc: | Nede, 5 seconds is uncommonly long, but people do notice the switch |
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| [20:30:10] | Nede: | kormoc, I feel your level of fans at that time the backend is under stress .... I'm still putting together a new machine that will replace it, we'll see ... |
| [20:34:56] | Nede: | I'm going! kormoc thank you for the time you've given me! Until next time! |
| [20:35:21] | kormoc: | You're quite welcome |
| [20:35:58] | Nede: | ;-) |
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| [20:45:14] | wagnerrp: | oh no, hes growing |
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| [20:49:40] | iamlindoro: | must be near the nuke plant in Japan |
| [20:49:44] | ** iamlindoro pokes sphery ** | |
| [20:50:07] | iamlindoro: | s/carter05_/gojira/ |
| [20:50:13] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:50:52] | mythexport: | i'm sorry if i'm not seeing my configs correctly.. I'm running maverick and mythexport is not putting audio out.. i want to see my configs but all i can see is in /usr/share/mythexport/configs... do i need to build a new file? |
| [20:51:19] | wagnerrp: | we dont support mythexport here, thats a mythbuntu utility |
| [20:51:22] | kormoc: | mythexport, mythexport isn't a script we maintain |
| [20:51:34] | mythexport: | dag nabbit... |
| [20:51:36] | wagnerrp: | you might find someone here who uses it, but its not likely |
| [20:51:44] | mythexport: | thanks! |
| [20:51:49] | iamlindoro: | I thought we banned names with myth in them? |
| [20:51:51] | sphery: | there are no mythexport experts here only mythexperts |
| [20:51:52] | wagnerrp: | better to try #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [20:52:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro: maybe it requires a full mythtv in them? |
| [20:52:08] | iamlindoro: | maybe so |
| [20:52:17] | sphery: | I wouldn't oppose a change |
| [20:52:22] | mythexport: | i have had myth running .. you all rock..love the program! |
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| [20:54:22] | Radiator: | Hi all, I'm looking for some help in using a Broadcom Crystal HD decorder the ***15 type in mythtv. |
| [20:54:53] | kormoc: | you're censoring your model type? |
| [20:55:15] | sphery: | kormoc: trying to keep the channel family friendly |
| [20:55:19] | Radiator: | No, just can't remember the exact model name. :) soory |
| [20:55:34] | sphery: | IIRC 15 is the more likely to be somewhat usable one |
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| [20:55:46] | sphery: | though, IMHO, neither is really usable (that said, I've never tried either) |
| [20:55:56] | Radiator: | Broadcom Corporation Device 1615 |
| [20:56:00] | Radiator: | to be exact. |
| [20:56:03] | sphery: | just based on the discussions of the troubles that the video development guys have with them |
| [20:56:04] | iamlindoro: | sphery, well that's what Broadcom gets for naming the card the f**k15 |
| [20:56:09] | sphery: | heh |
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| [20:57:49] | Radiator: | So I installed the drivers based on the mythtv wiki, and the wilsonet site, but besides seeing Loading crystalhd v3.10.0 .... and the init in dmesg, I can't seem to find any info on where to proceed. |
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| [20:59:22] | Radiator: | I'll gladly fill in the blanks in the mythtv wiki if I get pointed in the right direction... |
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| [21:00:18] | iamlindoro: | Radiator, have you compiled mythtv against the crystalhd libraries? |
| [21:00:49] | iamlindoro: | ie, with --enable-crystalhd |
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| [21:01:02] | Radiator: | No, i'm using the builds from http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.24/ubuntu ... |
| [21:01:20] | iamlindoro: | if you ahve the right lib version, and the driver is working, and you compiled myth against those libs, then all you need to do is set up your playback profile to use the crystalhd as the decoder |
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| [21:01:44] | Radiator: | So, I must recompile the frontend... |
| [21:02:12] | iamlindoro: | You don't compile one or the other, you compile MythTV as a whole |
| [21:02:28] | ** tgm4883 looks at the compile logs ** | |
| [21:02:33] | iamlindoro: | and yes, it must be compiled with the --enable-crystalhd flag and all the correct libraries and firmware present |
| [21:02:44] | Radiator: | yes, understand.. but the last time I compiled myth, the --disable-backend was available. |
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| [21:02:54] | iamlindoro: | That would have been many years ago |
| [21:02:58] | Radiator: | and since my target device is an appletv... |
| [21:03:13] | Radiator: | i really don't want to recomple everything... |
| [21:03:26] | ** iamlindoro shrugs ** | |
| [21:03:31] | kormoc: | Radiator, all that flag did was not create a binary, it still compiled everything, just didn't link it all together (saving a few seconds of time) |
| [21:03:49] | Radiator: | every second is of value. |
| [21:03:51] | Radiator: | :) |
| [21:03:53] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, Radiator nope, CrystalHD support no |
| [21:04:07] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, figured as much |
| [21:04:08] | kormoc: | Radiator, then I'd say the appletv was a poor choice in the saving time category :P |
| [21:04:15] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, any reason to not add it? |
| [21:04:41] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, Nope, other than it requiring a version of the CrystalHD library that ubuntu almost certainly doesn't package |
| [21:04:54] | Radiator: | its currently working much better, than ANY of the 5–6 frontends i've been with for the last 5–6 years. |
| [21:05:06] | sphery: | is it even considered "supported", yet? |
| [21:05:07] | tgm4883: | what version? |
| [21:05:26] | kormoc: | Radiator, meh. The mac mini is where it's at IMHO ;) |
| [21:05:27] | Radiator: | The first gen, if thats what you are asking. |
| [21:05:39] | sphery: | mac mini >>>>>>>> apple tv |
| [21:05:42] | Radiator: | I just replaced my mac mini... |
| [21:05:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I believe we somewhat officially support the 70015 card, but do not support the 70012 card in any official way |
| [21:05:49] | Radiator: | exactly... with an appletv. |
| [21:06:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, couldn't remember what the latest was on it |
| [21:06:16] | sphery: | Radiator: so you went from a real computer to a piece of junk? |
| [21:06:20] | kormoc: | Radiator, so you got rid of a core, lowered the clock speed, dropped the ram to a quarter and dropped the video card down two generations as a upgrade? |
| [21:06:24] | Radiator: | no... kormoc.... |
| [21:06:36] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, You'd need to check the commit logs-- as of when the support was added a couple months ago, it required a day-and-date current version from jarod's git repository |
| [21:06:37] | Radiator: | as I said, its much better. |
| [21:06:56] | sphery: | apple tv is not better than mac mini |
| [21:07:11] | kormoc: | Radiator, no, it's not. It's a old pentium m with 256 megs of ram and a 7300 nvidia gpu. it's really not better |
| [21:07:12] | sphery: | apple tv isn't even a real computer (especially the new apple tv) |
| [21:07:14] | ** iamlindoro notes that there are many versions of the Mac Mini, but that the only way an Apple TV could be better would be if you were replacing an old PowerPC version ** | |
| [21:07:24] | Radiator: | If its more responsive, has, lest stutter, uses less energy, then why not? |
| [21:07:42] | tgm4883: | Radiator, aren't you here because it.... doesn't work? |
| [21:08:10] | Radiator: | No, it works perfectly with my currend dvb-t provier (h264 SD)... |
| [21:08:20] | sphery: | Radiator: see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 ... definitely, any 2009 or newer mac mini will leave any apple TV to shame |
| [21:08:50] | sphery: | the 2007 models are better than apple tv, but they don't have a VDPAU-compatible video card, so not worth it |
| [21:08:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | Even the much maligned ION will put the new ATV to shame. |
| [21:08:57] | kormoc: | Radiator, actually, your apple tv uses more power then my mini. You have a 48 watt draw, my mini uses on average 17 watts |
| [21:09:03] | sphery: | and 10W idle for mac mini... |
| [21:09:14] | Radiator: | How much was your mac mini? |
| [21:09:16] | sphery: | where, with VDPAU, you'd spend nearly all your time at idle |
| [21:09:47] | ** sphery wonders why so many people don't seem to realize that MythTV is not about cheap ** | |
| [21:09:52] | Radiator: | The price difference of the 2 machines compensates for the power consumption of several years of usage. |
| [21:09:56] | kormoc: | Radiator, doesn't matter. We're debating technical specs. Your claiming that the tech is better in the apple tv, we're disagreeing. There's nothing about money |
| [21:10:24] | kormoc: | Radiator, you're the one that ditched a mini for a apple tv and claimed power savings |
| [21:10:31] | Radiator: | And since, I have both machines sitting infront of me on the shelf, for some strange reason, the appletv wins. |
| [21:10:46] | ** tgm4883 guesses misconfiguration ** | |
| [21:10:55] | ** kormoc agrees with tgm4883 ** | |
| [21:10:55] | Radiator: | bad guess.. |
| [21:11:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | It can't win if it can't play stuff. I dumped my old ATV and Minis for this very reason. |
| [21:11:16] | tgm4883: | Radiator, proof? |
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| [21:11:29] | kormoc: | Radiator, no. I really doubt that a core2duo is worse then a pentium 3 M |
| [21:11:32] | iamlindoro: | [25857] |
| [21:11:32] | MythLogBot: | SVN 25857: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9c3564aa |
| [21:11:33] | Radiator: | W.A.F... |
| [21:11:41] | Radiator: | no better proof needded. |
| [21:11:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: that depends, it could be one of those ULV Core2s at 1.2GHz |
| [21:11:55] | kormoc: | Radiator, I mean really, dual core, 64 bit, 2.4 ghz vs 733 mhz pentium 3 m |
| [21:12:02] | tgm4883: | Radiator, how does that prove you configured it correctly? |
| [21:12:12] | sphery: | ah, so it's not you who's wrong, but your W |
| [21:12:27] | wagnerrp: | they were making tualitins up to 1.4GHz i believe, before they renamed them |
| [21:12:30] | tgm4883: | sphery, no, he's still wrong |
| [21:12:33] | sphery: | (really, doesn't quoting "WAF" just say, "Yeah, it's not me, but it's my stupid W."?) |
| [21:12:52] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, Sorry, trying to find a firm version number but all I can seem to come up with is that it needed the git repository from Jarod's site as of January |
| [21:12:58] | sphery: | like, "I love MythTV and all its bugs, but my W doesn't" |
| [21:13:14] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, thats cool. I've pinged superm1 to see any reason we can't add support |
| [21:13:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | you gotta do a better job at selling this thing. Play your cards right and you get carte blanche on computing expenses and directed to by the Mini. |
| [21:13:27] | ** sphery just wants people to actually stand by their own assertions rather than blame them on some W ** | |
| [21:13:30] | tgm4883: | if truely necessary, we might be able to compile it ourselves |
| [21:13:41] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, If ubuntu is packaging that-ish or something later (or wouldn't mind starting to do so) I think supporting it out of the box would be nice |
| [21:14:08] | sphery: | granted, that applied more to the people complaining about WAF than to people who get improved WAF |
| [21:14:15] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, I see no problems supporting it, other that i'm not sure any of us have the hardware. We can at least add in the compile flags |
| [21:14:52] | Radiator: | Btw, I don't really get what your problems are with a user that is happy with his/her setup, not to speak of a high WAF. |
| [21:15:01] | tgm4883: | How's this for WAF. Everytime we are at friends houses she complains that we have to watch commercials :) |
| [21:15:21] | tgm4883: | Radiator, I have no problem with you being happy with your setup |
| [21:15:28] | sphery: | agreed |
| [21:15:33] | tgm4883: | but you shouldn't be unhappy with people telling you that you are incorrect |
| [21:15:43] | wagnerrp: | except youre not happy with your setup, youre here because its not working |
| [21:15:48] | tgm4883: | or rather, you can be unhappy, but be unhappy and know you are wrong |
| [21:16:09] | sphery: | Radiator: and you wouldn't need a Crystal HD card with a 2009+ Mac Mini |
| [21:16:14] | tgm4883: | don't defend your position just because it's what you started out defending |
| [21:16:20] | sphery: | you'd have VDPAU which is tons better than Crystal HD |
| [21:16:58] | sphery: | and for that matter, you'd have VDPAU with any other frontend that has an appropriately-chosen nvidia graphics card |
| [21:17:00] | Radiator: | Why do I need a dual core, 64 bit, 2.4 ghz when a pentium M processor and a crystal hd can play back with less horsepower? |
| [21:17:21] | wagnerrp: | for anything the hardware decoder in the CHD doesnt work for |
| [21:17:31] | wagnerrp: | for the same reasons youre not using the built in XvMC support |
| [21:17:53] | sphery: | and, because playback with Crystal HD seems to be troublesome--and, therefore, likely even more so on under-spec'ed hardware |
| [21:17:59] | tgm4883: | Radiator, if the apple TV works for you, great. Just don't pretend that it's a superior machine |
| [21:18:00] | wagnerrp: | using custom ASICs is inherently limiting |
| [21:18:02] | Radiator: | Btw, I don't think that buying a computer, with an integrated video decoding solution is the right way. |
| [21:18:23] | tgm4883: | .... |
| [21:18:24] | iamlindoro: | waiiiiiiiiiiiit |
| [21:18:27] | sphery: | nvidia graphics card is no more integrated than crystal hd |
| [21:18:27] | Radiator: | The crystal hd can be replace-ed anytime. |
| [21:18:49] | sphery: | unless you get integrated nvidia chipset--but even then, you can disable that by plugging in a dedicated nvidia graphics card |
| [21:19:00] | Radiator: | But what good is a videocard in a device that does not need its capabilities? |
| [21:19:02] | sphery: | anytime, even |
| [21:19:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | No. My nv430 can be replaced any time. I just installed it yesterday. Options on yoru CHD are limited at best. |
| [21:19:10] | ** tgm4883 was unaware that the appletv was upgradable ** | |
| [21:19:15] | sphery: | um, how do you display video without a video card |
| [21:19:18] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: its not, really |
| [21:19:26] | wagnerrp: | but you can replace the wifi card with a CHD decoder |
| [21:19:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | yeah, the old appletv can be upgraded. |
| [21:19:32] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, but he just said it was? |
| [21:19:49] | wagnerrp: | the wifi card was installed using a mini-pcie x1 slot |
| [21:20:02] | tgm4883: | crystal HD is upgradable? |
| [21:20:13] | wagnerrp: | no, theres really just the one feature set at this time |
| [21:20:17] | Radiator: | Yes. |
| [21:20:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...you gotta wonder how that happened. would have thought it would have been another soldered on component like everything else. |
| [21:20:32] | Radiator: | Just like any nvidia card. |
| [21:20:37] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: probably cheaper |
| [21:20:55] | sphery: | anyway, I'll just flat out say that I dislike the Apple TV, almost as much as I dislike ION systems |
| [21:21:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...whether or not your nvidia card is soldered in is entirely dependent on what box you buy. |
| [21:21:05] | sphery: | Atom-based ION, that is |
| [21:21:25] | sphery: | and all my comments will be affected by that dislike |
| [21:21:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | I don't need to play Oil Rush on a MythBox. '-p |
| [21:21:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...although that could be interesting. |
| [21:22:11] | wagnerrp: | no, but mythfrontend really isnt happy with only 256MB of system memory |
| [21:22:27] | wagnerrp: | not unless youre running mythcenter at a relatively low display resolution |
| [21:22:44] | Radiator: | wagnerrp: i'm running the appletv at 720p... and all is fine memory wise |
| [21:22:47] | sphery: | or Iulius and MythTV 0.21-fixes |
| [21:23:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | sometimes I am amazed my ATV worked as well as it did for as long as it did. |
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| [21:24:52] | Radiator: | Currently watching a dvb-t h264 stream on my atv: Cpu(s): 57.0%us, 2.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 38.4%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 2.0%si, 0.0%st, Mem: 246968k total, 242288k used, 4680k free, 1896k buffers |
| [21:25:09] | wagnerrp: | so you are effectively out of memory |
| [21:25:10] | sphery: | without the crystal hd? |
| [21:25:22] | wagnerrp: | 6.5MB free |
| [21:25:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | I could never play anything beyond 480p x264 on the ATV. |
| [21:25:38] | sphery: | if that's using some non-MythTV program, it doesn't measure MythTV memory usage |
| [21:26:00] | Radiator: | thats from top :) |
| [21:26:04] | sphery: | assuming that since you came here for help getting crystal HD working in MythTV, you don't have it working in MythTV, yet |
| [21:26:32] | sphery: | and since I would be very surprised if the Apple TV could play high-definition h.264 using software decode |
| [21:26:37] | Radiator: | i think "top" supports all types of programs :) |
| [21:26:42] | sphery: | I'm assuming you're playing back using something that's not MythTV |
| [21:27:00] | Radiator: | 915 mythtv 20 0 377m 144m 43m S 52.8 59.7 40:57.89 mythfrontend.real |
| [21:27:08] | sphery: | so that's playing back using MythTV? |
| [21:27:15] | sphery: | and software decode on the Apple TV? |
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| [21:27:20] | Radiator: | 52.8 is PU |
| [21:27:27] | Radiator: | yep. |
| [21:27:27] | sphery: | and it's 57% CPU? |
| [21:27:38] | Radiator: | yes.. |
| [21:28:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: meaning its standard definition content, around 2–3Mbps |
| [21:28:13] | sphery: | yeah, would pretty much have to be |
| [21:28:15] | wagnerrp: | roughly DVD quality |
| [21:28:17] | Radiator: | Yes... |
| [21:28:20] | tgm4883: | yea he said it was SD |
| [21:28:22] | tgm4883: | not HD |
| [21:28:35] | Radiator: | Well, its perfect for my needs currently. |
| [21:28:50] | sphery: | 1GHz Pentium-M and high-bitrate H.264 probably don't mix well |
| [21:28:51] | wagnerrp: | right, just dont switch to a theme with artwork |
| [21:28:52] | iamlindoro: | Hungarian women look better in 480p |
| [21:29:00] | iamlindoro: | or, if at all possible, in 240i |
| [21:29:12] | MMlosh: | Jamu / mythfilldatabase is connecting to port 80 of amazon aws server... is that OK? why? |
| [21:29:17] | iamlindoro: | come to think of it, 120i on a cell phone is probably best |
| [21:29:26] | Radiator: | iamlindoro: WTF? |
| [21:29:43] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, actually, it better be displayed in ASCII art |
| [21:29:50] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:30:02] | Radiator: | Where are you guy's from? |
| [21:30:17] | Radiator: | Middle earth? |
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| [21:30:20] | Radiator: | :) |
| [21:30:23] | Radiator: | Deeper? |
| [21:30:29] | ** tgm4883 chants USA! USA! USA! ** | |
| [21:30:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | Gallifrey. We Shift Time. |
| [21:30:34] | Radiator: | :) |
| [21:30:43] | Radiator: | I could have guessed. |
| [21:30:49] | iamlindoro: | if (MythLocale.toString() == "hu") { videooutput->SetFilter("softfocus"); } |
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| [21:32:20] | Radiator: | Too much time there... time for me to go recompile, thank you everyone for your kind help, and advice. Have fun, and watch myth! |
| [21:32:42] | sphery: | good luck |
| [21:33:11] | sphery: | and despite all I said, I hope the system works well enough to fit your needs sufficiently |
| [21:34:12] | Radiator: | thanks sphery! I'll def. post some results after i finnish... And Rob, go run! :) |
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| [21:35:19] | iamlindoro: | wonder which rob he meant |
| [21:35:56] | iamlindoro: | I guess if you spent *that* much effort you could figure out that I'm the runner, Kormoc is the cute one, sphery is the nice one, and wagnerrp is the good dancer |
| [21:36:10] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:36:16] | wagnerrp: | its the latin blood |
| [21:36:27] | sphery: | you mean sphery is the not-right-thinking one |
| [21:36:33] | ** tgm4883 calls dibs on being the noob ** | |
| [21:36:38] | sphery: | it's on the -users list, plain for all to see |
| [21:37:47] | jcarlos: | Can someone tell me where must I set this variable ? |
| [21:37:50] | jcarlos: | 2011-03–14 22:31:25.202 UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap – no VideoStartupDir set, skipping scan. |
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| [21:39:08] | sphery: | jcarlos: you're on 0.24-fixes, right? |
| [21:39:16] | jcarlos: | Yes |
| [21:39:20] | sphery: | if so, don't worry about it, it's something that won't happen in 0.25 |
| [21:39:34] | iamlindoro: | unless he's hoping to use uPnP right now |
| [21:39:45] | jcarlos: | sphery: But I can not see my videos from my uPnP client !! |
| [21:39:52] | sphery: | it's not an error, just that our 0.24-fixes (and back through 0.22) has an old UPnP video scanner |
| [21:39:54] | jcarlos: | iamlindoro: That is |
| [21:40:24] | iamlindoro: | in which case run the frontend on your backend with mythvideo installed, and set the video dir in Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->video Settings->General, page 1 |
| [21:40:55] | jcarlos: | iamlindoro: My frontend is in another machine ... |
| [21:41:07] | sphery: | mythfrontend is just a program |
| [21:42:04] | jcarlos: | sphery: Yes ... I know ... I thought iamlindoro wanted I run my frontend in the same machine as my backend ... |
| [21:42:15] | jcarlos: | "run the frontend on your backen" |
| [21:42:16] | jcarlos: | :-) |
| [21:42:29] | sphery: | no, you run the mythfrontend program on the machine that's running mythbackend |
| [21:42:41] | sphery: | just run it once so you can set the setting |
| [21:42:50] | sphery: | then exit, then the UPnP scanner will work |
| [21:43:19] | jcarlos: | sphery: Mmmm ... my backend has no frontend installed ... |
| [21:43:29] | jcarlos: | sphery: Remember ... a dockstar ... ;-) |
| [21:43:59] | sphery: | and the mythfrontend package will add how many MB of stuff? Like 10, maybe? |
| [21:44:11] | ** iamlindoro checks the phases of the moon ** | |
| [21:44:19] | iamlindoro: | is it just me? Is it crazy day in -users? |
| [21:44:23] | sphery: | anyway, the place you set it is where iamlindoro mentioned |
| [21:45:03] | jcarlos: | sphery: iamlindoro I only want to avoid install the frontend ... |
| [21:45:06] | sphery: | mythfrontend, Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->video Settings->General, page 1 , on the machine where those videos exist |
| [21:45:23] | iamlindoro: | The frontend is literally a dozen or so megabytes |
| [21:45:27] | jcarlos: | sphery: Can I set the config directly in the database ? |
| [21:45:45] | iamlindoro: | 19M, in fact, and that's a profile build |
| [21:45:51] | iamlindoro: | so smaller for a normal build |
| [21:46:15] | jcarlos: | iamlindoro: Can I set the config directly in the database ? |
| [21:46:29] | iamlindoro: | Not if you expect our help |
| [21:46:35] | jcarlos: | iamlindoro: Hehe |
| [21:46:36] | jcarlos: | OK |
| [21:46:44] | iamlindoro: | As once you start manually mucking with the database, we will no longer answer your questions here |
| [21:46:58] | iamlindoro: | So we'll just assume further questions are on a compromised config |
| [21:47:29] | sphery: | if you're going to write your own raw data into the settings values, at least do so through mythweb |
| [21:47:39] | sphery: | but you lose all checking--see the big red warning |
| [21:47:56] | sphery: | really, though, 10MB... not that big a deal |
| [21:48:12] | jcarlos: | sphery: I understand ... |
| [21:48:43] | sphery: | mythfrontend app itself is about 2.5MB and I'm leaving a margin of another 3x that for any mythfrontend-only libs, if there are any |
| [21:48:57] | sphery: | and, in theory, you could install the package, run it, then uninstall it |
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| [21:49:27] | sphery: | though I'm a fan of having it there when you need it :) |
| [21:49:45] | jcarlos: | sphery: Yes I know ... but I thought it would be easier to set the value in the database ... |
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| [21:50:22] | sphery: | if setting it directly, though, try mythweb |
| [21:50:33] | jcarlos: | sphery: Yes ... that was my intention ... |
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| [23:27:46] | skd5aner: | so, is MythXML deprecated or just gone? and does the new framework API have a name? |
| [23:27:47] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /078841.html |
| [23:28:11] | wagnerrp: | i assume its named MythXML |
| [23:28:25] | wagnerrp: | might want to ask dblain |
| [23:28:26] | skd5aner: | so, MythXML v2 so to speak? |
| [23:28:32] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
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| [23:28:45] | skd5aner: | k |
| [23:28:46] | wagnerrp: | hes not around this channel, but hes usually idling in the other |
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| [23:50:29] | beadle: | hi all. commercial matching seems to be pretty flakey these days. seemed worse since a recent release. using Fedora. I set strict on. is this feature in flux or broken or what? |
| [23:50:38] | Beirdo: | I want more toys |
| [23:51:37] | kormoc: | beadle, it all depends on your upstream provider. They often change how they're doing the commercials and that affects the detection quality |
| [23:53:01] | beadle: | kormoc yeah I notice strange frames and insertion of commercials right up to the network feed frame... I just wondered what the sense of the myth community was. |
| [23:53:53] | sphery: | basically, the short story is that the commercial flaggers haven't changed in years |
| [23:54:08] | sphery: | no one has really felt the need to spend any time on them |
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| [23:54:23] | beadle: | sphery# ahh well that eliminates one thing I' |
| [23:54:26] | sphery: | so changes to the quality of detection are likely external, not due to mythtv |
| [23:54:27] | beadle: | d wondered about |
| [23:54:38] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:55:14] | beadle: | dangit I forget how to address someone specificallly in IIRC channel. is it name: ? |
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| [23:57:20] | beadle: | sphery: is that for lack of inspiration? |
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| [23:57:32] | sphery: | yeah, name: |
| [23:58:07] | sphery: | and more lack of motivation because what we have tends to work well enough that no one is that interested in spending time to improve it |
| [23:58:35] | beadle: | sphery: can't fault that. |
| [23:58:48] | sphery: | there have been many users who have come to us with plans to spend time on it, and at least 2 who have spent quite a bit of time on it |
| [23:59:09] | beadle: | it's not a simple thing |
| [23:59:23] | sphery: | but in the end, nothing useful came from the efforts... basically, they found that there wasn't much to gain |
| [23:59:28] | sphery: | and lots of work to get the little bit of gain |
| [23:59:54] | beadle: | do they have a list or website? |
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