Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 6th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

s1n: you're allowed to run the database on any host on the network, though, so feel free to move that

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s1n:

sphery: i could run a master backend and move the db elsewhere?

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sphery:

s1n: and you can run mythjobqueue on a non-backend machine to use it for things like commercial flagging and transcoding (so you can disable commflag and transcode on your master backend)

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sphery:

s1n: yep... but no tunerless master backend

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sphery:

so put the database on any host, put the master backend and firewire capture on another host

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s1n:

are there dtv tuners?

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sphery:

dtv = digital tv?

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s1n:

yeah

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sphery:

yes, many

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s1n:

encrypted dtv?

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sphery:

though mythtv requires unencrypted video, so you may or may not be able to access your channels through digital

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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s1n:

yeah, i wasn't aware cable providers supported that anymore

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sphery:

see the link--it gives a good overview of options

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petethepirate:

[R]: I do have multiple entries in storage directories. I removed those in a virtual machine and when I did, mythweb stopped working correctly. Is there a way to remove those and have mythweb still work correctly?

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[R]:

petethepirate: huh?

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s1n:

yeah, i basically need an stb or over-the-air

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s1n:

tuners seem kinda like a dying idea with encrypted channels

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[R]:

s1n: over the air isn't encrypted...

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sphery:

yep, your cable/satellite privider wants to control your usage

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petethepirate:

[R]: you asked if I have storage groups, what I read at mythtv.org is that they would be located in storage directories. In storage directories yes I do have multiple entries. You said this would be the problem correct?

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[R]:

petethepirate: certain issues with iso over sotrage groups... yes

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petethepirate:

[R]: is there a known problem where it causes problems for mythweb if they are removed?

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[R]:

petethepirate: huh?

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s1n:

[R]: right and there are like 60 ota channels

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[R]:

s1n: you have that many?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, was testing my fix for QUERY_RECORDINGS and everything was backwards... then I remembered that I stuck a reverse() in the perl script after talking earlier

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s1n:

compared to my 800 encrypted channels

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petethepirate:

[R]: when I removed them in my virtual machine, it screwed up mythweb.

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[R]:

petethepirate: so put them back

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sphery:

petethepirate: do you have 0.24-fixes? Which specific version... please pastebin the output of mythbackend --version

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s1n:

i'll have to wait for a tunerless backend then

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[R]:

s1n: i musta missed... why do you need a tunerless backend?

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** sphery has been thinking of working on that for the last week **

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[R]:

sphery: i thought yo uwere gonna do the direct exit thing

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sphery:

[R]: heh, I actually have: mythtv/mythtv-remove_PlaybackExitPrompt_setting.patch

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[R]:

haha

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sphery:

and mythtv/mythtv-remove_NoPromptOnExit_setting.patch

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[R]:

sweet

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[R]:

sphery: when you get it all done... you'll backport it to 24 right?

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petethepirate:

[R]: whoops .23 http://pastebin.com/h2CGRgst

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[R]:

lol

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s1n:

[R]: because i have 1 machine that's really fast at encoding but i don't want it to run database, etc

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[R]:

s1n: you still didnt tell us what you are "encoding"

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s1n:

it's my desktop, fairly powerful machine

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petethepirate:

BTW didn't fix it, removed the artwork.

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wagnerrp:

s1n: he wants to transcode his recordings

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sphery:

the playback exit prompt is a bit more complex than I realized... We currently have playback exit prompt /and/ action on playback exit, and they can be done in any combination, so you may get your prompt in playback or once you get back to watch recordings

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[R]:

petethepirate: you cant do iso over storage groups at all on 23

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s1n:

only want i can get livetv is via firewire tuner

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wagnerrp:

s1n: why do you want to transcode stuff?

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sphery:

I have to simplify that and decide on "the right behavior"

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petethepirate:

[R]: I removed all but video.

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wagnerrp:

clip the commercials out, and leave it at that

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[R]:

petethepirate: um... ok?

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wagnerrp:

if you run out of hard drive space, buy more

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[R]:

s1n: huh?

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petethepirate:

[R]: still doesn't work. Now I have new problems (artwork is missing)

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[R]:

petethepirate: what doesn't work?

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sphery:

the NoPromptOnExit should work fine... just have to decide exactly what I want for the behaviors

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s1n:

i want a low power machine as the front end, high power backend can transcode

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petethepirate:

[R]: artwork is missing.

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[R]:

s1n: still thats what lots of people do

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wagnerrp:

s1n: but you said your STB was connected to your frontend, so your frontend would be your master backend

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[R]:

petethepirate: what did you do to break that?

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sphery:

s1n: best approach is low-power-usage, but powerful, backend

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s1n:

[R]: high power machine is desktop, don't want it running databases and such

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sphery:

s1n: like a mac mini or similar

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petethepirate:

[R]: I removed all storage groups but video.

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wagnerrp:

and your desktop would just be a separate jobqueue

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[R]:

s1n: you can put the database anywhere

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[R]:

petethepirate: why would you do dthat?

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sphery:

s1n: or a 25W PC, as at http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html

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wagnerrp:

you can run an independent jobqueue without requiring a full backend with tuners and storage

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s1n:

and, i have tons of ripped dvds, no need for a database to just play videos

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petethepirate:

[R]: because you told me to.

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[R]:

petethepirate: and if you remove the artwork storage group... this surprises you taht it breaks artwork?

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wagnerrp:

yes, you need the database to play videos

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[R]:

petethepirate: i NEVER told you to do anything of the sort

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s1n:

that seems wrong

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[R]:

s1n: rhen don't use mythtv

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s1n:

a database to play pre-recorded movies

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wagnerrp:

s1n: a database lookup is /much/ faster than trawling the filesystem

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sphery:

s1n: especially when you have multiple file systems on multiple network hosts

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wagnerrp:

and its /much much/ faster than having to open up a ton of individual files for metadata

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s1n:

does it have to be mysql

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wagnerrp:

yes

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s1n:

can it be sqlite?

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

s1n: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . _database.3F

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s1n:

what do you gain from using mysql? that seems like overkill

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sphery:

heh, only if MythTV is overkill

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wagnerrp:

performance and capability that you lack with sqllite

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petethepirate:

[R]: then what were you telling me to do?

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sphery:

if so, then go with TiVo or your cable company's DVR

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[R]:

petethepirate: i never todl you to do anything

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sphery:

MythTV is a /high performance/, luxury DVR

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petethepirate:

[R]: do you have a suggestion to fix this problem?

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wagnerrp:

s1n: these are all questions that have been asked and investigated many times in the past

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s1n:

hmm that's a bummer

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[R]:

petethepirate: 23 can't play isos over storage groups

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[R]:

petethepirate: i've alreayd said this

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sphery:

the reason sqlite won't work is explicitly described at the link I provided: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . _database.3F

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petethepirate:

[R]: then how do I play isos on it?

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wagnerrp:

s1n: this is a dedicated machine for your frontend, yes?

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[R]:

petethepirate: either dont use storage groups or upgrade

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petethepirate:

[R]: how do I not use storage groups?

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[R]:

[04:54:41] [R] i suggest you read the mythvideo documentation on the wiki

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[R]:

petethepirate: but not using storage groups is very much unrecommended

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petethepirate:

[R]: I've been reading it on and off for two weeks, and still can't find anything. Can you point me to a url?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

wagnerrp++

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[R]:

if that pages takes you 2 weeks to read...

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: I've read that page at least 20 times. I just read the storage groups section again. It doesn't tell how to turn it off.

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[R]:

wow... just wow

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petethepirate:

[R]: over and over and over.

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wagnerrp:

petethepirate: you delete the directories from the storage group

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[R]:

that's what she said

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wagnerrp:

and restart the backend

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wagnerrp:

if youre wondering how to do that, highlight the directory you want to remove, and press 'd'

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wagnerrp:

s1n: still around?

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sphery:

time to unplug all my tv/speakers and seal the through-the-wall so my nice air-conditioned air isn't sucked into my walls and attic

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wagnerrp:

cant just get some plumber's putty?

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wagnerrp:

or do you have a wall outlet that you want to insulate?

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sphery:

I'm just putting a 2" PVC "conduit" through the wall

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sphery:

makes it easy to run cables through, prevents air from leaking into the walls

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

is 2" big enough?

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judget:

is there a winblows or macintosh frontend for mythTV? (sorry to ask)

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wagnerrp:

yes, both

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judget:

how about droid?

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wagnerrp:

not official

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judget:

cool that will be my next project

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said?

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wagnerrp:

http://code.google.com/p/mythdroid/

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judget:

to get those 2 work OBW thank u gous for all the help

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judget:

thank u guys

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judget:

(and girls)

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wagnerrp:

dont think there are any of those here?

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judget:

hmmm i have a mouse that works on my desktop in mythfront end but not on my laptops or netbook

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wagnerrp:

every so often, its rare

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judget:

ok didnt want to offend anyone

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend does not like to run on netbooks

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wagnerrp:

E_NOPOWAH

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judget:

u know sexual discrimination, sexual harassment

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judget:

well this netbook has maverick and a gnome desktop

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wagnerrp:

processor? graphics?

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judget:

pentium ion i think

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judget:

at least a gig of ram

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wagnerrp:

pentium ion....

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judget:

decent graphics but not sure what Im using to foss drivers

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judget:

il have to look its upstarirs and im doewnstairs now

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wagnerrp:

the INTEL atom is a garbage processor, not powerful enough to do much of anything

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wagnerrp:

but if it is an ION system, paired with an nvidia graphics chip

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judget:

hey is it typical to have to do the grant all mysql for all frontends on a lan?

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wagnerrp:

you will be able to rely on VDPAU for decoding as long as its running linux

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wagnerrp:

you either have to grant to each device individually, or use a wildcard against a group of addresses

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judget:

prolly that it is my wifes but now she got an ipad from santa so i get to play with the netbook

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wagnerrp:

like 192.168.0.%

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wagnerrp:

and an ipad isnt going to do much of anything

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wagnerrp:

not enough CPU to decode video, not enough memory to run the frontend

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[R]:

this guy at my work loves his

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[R]:

oh, for myth

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wagnerrp:

and gimped hardware decoder for offloading

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judget:

im not surprized I was really pissed christmas eve when fresh out of the box it dont work untiul u install itunes (puke) and then give them a credit card

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[R]:

i thougth everyone knew you neede d to have itunes

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wagnerrp:

no winamp?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: to activate it

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[R]:

you NEED itunes

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Newbuntu81-2:

Hi All. Quick question. How would you find out if the NTSC cable coming into your house is analog or digital? I saw that some said they didn't need the NTSC analog part of the driver to work because most of Comcast is digital.

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[R]:

Newbuntu81–2: ntsc is analog

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judget:

well the guy in the mac store did not tell me that whn i bought it i use gtkpod for my ipod but actually i trashed that and now have all my songs and video on my androig G1

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Newbuntu81-2:

Ok let me rephrase that...is all coax cable NTSC analog?

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[R]:

Newbuntu81–2: no

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judget:

anyway we tolerate mac and despise winblows

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[R]:

Newbuntu81–2: a cable is a cable...

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[R]:

Newbuntu81–2: anythign can be put on a cable

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Newbuntu81-2:

So if comcast gives you channels 2–76, but only a couple of those channels require a "converter box", then would that mean that most of them are NTSC analog?

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[R]:

if you have an analog tv that can pick up channels without a box

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[R]:

then its analog

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judget:

anyway i found the setting that was hiding my mouse cursor gotta run and thanks again

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judget:

i am putting together a chapter for my course Vidiots Guide to Ubuntu Linux Ill send u the link so u can use it to help others when im done

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Newbuntu81-2:

ok. so if you wanted to pick up the few channels in that range that "require a cable box", could you do it with the ATSC driver? or is that just encryption over NTSC?

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[R]:

no cable companies encrypt analog channels anymore

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wagnerrp:

you cannot capture off a cable box using ATSC, you cannot encrypt NTSC

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[R]:

an atsc won't do you any good with cable

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wagnerrp:

[R]: s/anymore/ever/

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[R]:

wagnerrp: well "scrambled" is sort of encryption...

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wagnerrp:

but its not

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wagnerrp:

the scrambling was done at the pole, not at the headend

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[R]:

so?

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wagnerrp:

they scrambled your line in specifically

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[R]:

pole.... hehe

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judget_:

the netbook is an atom processoir

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt something you could descramble

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wagnerrp:

ok, storage access done... whats next

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wagnerrp:

ooh, jya is in

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wagnerrp:

jya: what audio data would you want sent into this hardware profiler?

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wagnerrp:

right now, im just grabbing the AudioOutputDevice out of the settings table

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Newbuntu81-2:

got it, thanks.

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wagnerrp:

but would you want that broken into parts? would you want stuff like upmixing, passthrough, softvol, etc...?

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Newbuntu81-2:

also, does anyone know what version kernel made changes that created the usb_buffer errors in compiling? was it 2.6.32 or above?

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petethepirate:

I did something to hose my system. I am at a database confirguration screen, prompts me for my language. Then a screen with the ip address and sql password, then next screen, click finish and it says it can not log in. I've changed the mysql password to what it shows in that screen. What am I doing wrong?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it's big enough... just need my video cable, speaker cables, and 2 USB cables (wireless keyboard/mouse receiver and USB remote reciever) to go through it. Old hole was smaller than the 2" pipe's inner diameter. Got the pipe in place, now to fill the old holes (one in each side of the wall)--was easiest to move it so the hole saw could get a clean start.

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jya:

wagnerrp: can't think of much really... what audio hardware they have, how many people are using passthrough (but if it's based on the hardware I guess you won't know that)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im just thinking about DVI, which wont fit through 2" PVC

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wagnerrp:

but then chances are thats never going to be a problem for your setup

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wagnerrp:

jya: smolt itself only does hardware, yes

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wagnerrp:

but this is information im pulling directly from mythtv

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wagnerrp:

so i can pull setup information

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jya:

wagnerrp: then upload the whole audio related database settings :)

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wagnerrp:

can do, i just dont know what all settings those are

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wagnerrp:

im pulling audiooutputdevice

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wagnerrp:

theres also audio48koverride, advancedaudiosettings, audiodefaultupmix, audioupmixtype

[01:30:05]

wagnerrp:

those are the only ones i could come up with using a "where value like '%audio%'"

[01:30:09]

wagnerrp:

although there may be more im not using

[01:33:50]

jya:

they would be define (in master/trunk) in audiogeneralsettings.cpp

[01:33:59]

jya:

I can retrieve those for you if you like.

[01:34:39]

jya:

This Michael Jones just made my blood boiled... Even I agreed with his first post.

[01:37:11]

confuzed_:

anyone here willing to spend some time with me to get digital audio passthrough working?

[01:38:14]

jya:

wagnerrp: Actually I could make a code that export the current audio detected capabilities. Those wouldn't be in the database

[01:38:28]

jya:

at what time is the upload of data done ?

[01:38:39]

jya:

is it right at the start of mythfrontend ?

[01:38:43]

wagnerrp:

jya: id leave it there, Beirdo is probably going to start delisting people if that thread continues

[01:38:46]

wagnerrp:

honestly, i dont know

[01:38:48]

[R]:

confuzed_: it should "just work" in 0.24

[01:39:00]

wagnerrp:

its run once when you run that utility the first time

[01:39:10]

wagnerrp:

but beyond that, theres some scheduler that does into play

[01:39:18]

jya:

ah... so audio may not even had been properly configured there

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confuzed_:

I can get it to some degree... but there is always something not right. If I go with pure ALSA, I get DD out to my reciever but it skips and the logs show that it's dropping frames to catch up, and whatnot. If I use Pulse, and specify a seperate digital audio output it doesn't passthrough AC3

[01:39:24]

wagnerrp:

presumably at some monthly interval or so

[01:39:45]

[R]:

well pulse sucks... so adding it in isn't going to make it good

[01:40:01]

wagnerrp:

confuzed_: pulseaudio will not do digital passthrough

[01:40:01]

jya:

wagnerrp: the wizard ask people to fill values in, regardless of what the hardware can do ; unlike the old settings that only offer an option if the hardware can actually do it

[01:40:07]

confuzed_:

[R], It does, but it doesn't.

[01:40:21]

[R]:

confuzed_: huh?

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jya:

confuzed_: pulse won't do passthrough. There are patches out there to make it do passthrough, but in the end it's just a hack.. for an application to do passthrough, it needs exclusive audio access ; something pulse doesn't provide

[01:41:14]

confuzed_:

wagnerrp, [R], I can get my reciever to detect that it is getting DD, but it keeps trying to switch from 2 to 6 channel, and the video keeps stuttering. I get a ton of errors in the logs

[01:41:29]

wagnerrp:

confuzed_: no, pulseaudio will not do passthrough

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jya:

confuzed_: is that with pulse or alsa ?

[01:41:39]

wagnerrp:

if it is sending DD to your receiver, it is compressing on the fly

[01:42:16]

jams:

jya, wagnerrp : i think it's less a matter of when it's run, vs the understanding that it's a process that runs outside of myth (python script). If python can get to it (even if that calls something else), then it can be reported back.

[01:42:17]

confuzed_:

I know... I have tried alsa and pulse. Drop the pulse thing now, I know it won't work.

[01:42:32]

confuzed_:

jya, With Alsa

[01:42:37]

petethepirate:

I've verified it's using the right mysql password, mysql it up and running, I can telnet to it, nothing in mysql.log or err, and /var/log/mysql/error.log shows everything is running fine. Any idea why it won't connect?

[01:43:05]

jya:

jams: it is a matter of when it's run. The information I'm interested in will only get known the first time someone will actually try to watch something

[01:43:15]

[R]:

petethepirate: what errors does the output of whatever myth program you are running sau

[01:43:17]

[R]:

say*

[01:43:25]

jya:

confuzed_: what are your settings and what version of myth are you using?

[01:43:40]

jya:

confuzed_: start with what audio output device did you use?

[01:43:57]

sphery:

wagnerrp: DVI fits through... it's 2" inner diameter

[01:44:08]

wagnerrp:

jya: if thats the case, it will just send default 'empty' values, in lieu of something be listed in the database

[01:44:17]

petethepirate:

[R]: it's the configuration database screen that comes up when I boot, it can't connect to upnp, and then says Cannot Login and gives me an ok button.

[01:44:19]

wagnerrp:

it would be the same process as a dedicated backend would do

[01:44:33]

[R]:

petethepirate: how is that any answer to what i said?

[01:44:51]

[R]:

petethepirate: myth logs to either a log file and/or stadnard output... so what is the error it outputs

[01:45:34]

jya:

wagnerrp: the way the audio settings work now ; is first the code detects what the hardware can do. then it does a AND with what's in the database

[01:45:54]

jya:

so for example, even if the user specified 6 channels output, but the hardware can only do 2 ; it will do 2

[01:46:31]

jya:

if the user configured for AC3 or DTS passthrough, but the hardware can't do passthrough (like using Pulse) it won't even try to do passthrough

[01:47:04]

wagnerrp:

but will it update the settings at that point? or will it keep them there in the event that capability will be available in the future

[01:47:13]

confuzed_:

jya, I am on 0.24-fixes from Mythbuntu nightly. Device: ALSA:iec958... passthroughs enabled, no adcanced config, 5.1 speaker config, no internal volume. With my AVIA AC3 test clip I get a ton of lines like : video is 5.4522 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up. probably 20 or so per second.

[01:47:18]

petethepirate:

[R]: http://pastebin.com/28Ckvrj2

[01:47:45]

[R]:

Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.132' (111)

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jya:

confuzed_: the audio device you entered; did that show up on the list, or you typed it yourself?

[01:48:08]

wagnerrp:

basically, what i get from what youre saying is that the database can never be trusted to have accurate audio information

[01:48:30]

[R]:

petethepirate: so either thats not the ip of your mysql server and/or theres a firewall somewehre

[01:48:44]

jya:

wagnerrp: it never updates the settings in the database. However, when the user go into the audio settings, the value entered there will be a subset of what the hardware was detected as being able to do

[01:48:50]

petethepirate:

[R]: I've verified that is the correct ip address, and there is no firewall.

[01:48:51]

confuzed_:

jya, on the list. As a side note, while this is going on , the video skips, and my reciever keeps flipping from 6 channel to stereo..

[01:48:52]

jya:

from that point the database is fully relevant

[01:48:57]

[R]:

petethepirate: how?

[01:49:06]

wagnerrp:

since each time, the code will try a best effort to follow the selected settings, but the revert back to what is actually possible

[01:49:22]

petethepirate:

[R]: ssh ifconfig and telnet.

[01:49:22]

confuzed_:

I am using an older EMU10k1 based SP LIve Digtal (not exactly sure which model)

[01:49:28]

confuzed_:

jya, I am using an older EMU10k1 based SP LIve Digtal (not exactly sure which model)

[01:49:28]

[R]:

petethepirate: huh?

[01:49:42]

wagnerrp:

petethepirate: telnet?

[01:49:42]

[R]:

petethepirate: how does any of that verify a valid mysql server?

[01:50:00]

petethepirate:

[R]: I'm ssh'd into it right now, I've telneted into mysql to see if it is up, and used ifconfig on the box.

[01:50:20]

wagnerrp:

why not use the 'mysql' command line client and see if you can actually log in?

[01:50:22]

jya:

confuzed_: ok... try with this: check the advanced audio settings, and check the Force 48k

[01:50:27]

[R]:

wagnerrp: because that would be common sense

[01:50:32]

petethepirate:

[R]: that verified the ip address. The mysql server, I reset the password, then logged in as mythtv into mysql.

[01:50:40]

wagnerrp:

rather than use telnet to connect to something that does not speak telnet

[01:51:00]

[R]:

petethepirate: you can't log in to a mysql server with telnet... so...

[01:51:04]

petethepirate:

wagnerrp: I've used mysql -u username -p [ENTER] then password, it let me in.

[01:51:14]

petethepirate:

[R]: that was to verify the service is up and running.

[01:51:17]

[R]:

petethepirate: thats not specifying the ip... so...

[01:51:23]

[R]:

petethepirate: your not using that command from your myth box

[01:51:27]

[R]:

mythfrontend*

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confuzed_:

jya, I tried it again, just to be sure, and as expected, same issue.

[01:51:46]

wagnerrp:

petethepirate: if you dont specify an IP address, you are logging in through the local socket, which will always be 'localhost'

[01:51:55]

petethepirate:

[R]: ifconfig mysql password reset and logging into mysql were all done from the mythbbox.

[01:52:00]

confuzed_:

I can play the same video in mplayer without issue.

[01:52:07]

confuzed_:

jya, I can play the same video in mplayer without issue.

[01:52:19]

[R]:

petethepirate: if you are using 'mysql' w/o a password, then it is connect to localhost, so why are you not using localhost wit hteh frontend?

[01:52:19]

petethepirate:

wagnerrp: I have the ip address specified in mythtv. It shows it in the database configuration screen.

[01:52:27]

jya:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/jYyF99k0

[01:52:28]

[R]:

w/o an ip*

[01:52:36]

wagnerrp:

yes, but youre having problems connecting from a remote client, not the mythtv backend

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petethepirate:

[R]: I am using a password with mysql.

[01:52:47]

[R]:

petethepirate: i meant ip

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wagnerrp:

so logging in from the mythtv backend would not be relevant

[01:52:56]

jya:

confuzed_: you play with mplayer with AC3 passthrough ?

[01:53:11]

petethepirate:

Then why does the database connection screen keep telling me it can't log in?

[01:53:18]

[R]:

petethepirate: because it can't log in

[01:53:25]

[R]:

petethepirate: you have YET to prove your server is working

[01:53:33]

petethepirate:

[R]: how would I verify that?

[01:53:33]

wagnerrp:

petethepirate: is a the local frontend that cannot log in? or a remote one?

[01:53:39]

confuzed_:

jya, yes. let me log off my laptop and open xchat on the frontend so I can cut and paste from the logs... brb

[01:53:45]

[R]:

petethepirate: run mysql with the ip address from the box you can't log in from

[01:53:49]

petethepirate:

wagnerrp: it's one machine.

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wagnerrp:

and are you telling the frontend to connect to localhost, or an ip address?

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petethepirate:

[R]: it's one machine. When I login to mysql it's from the machine.

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[R]:

petethepirate: then what does ssh ahve to do with antying? yo uare ssh'ing to the box from itself?

[01:54:32]

petethepirate:

wagnerrp: ip address. I have to use an ip address for my remote.

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petethepirate:

[R]: ssh was one of the methods I used to verify the ip address is correct.

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[R]:

petethepirate: you verified the ip address of the ONE machien with myth all on it that its ip was right?

[01:55:08]

wagnerrp:

if you are connecting to mysql from an IP address, you must grant permission to the IP address you are currently on

[01:55:13]

** [R] gives up **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, guess I should say that dvi fits through as long as you do it first, then do all the speaker cables, etc.

[01:55:27]

wagnerrp:

you can test this by specifying '-h <address>' when running the mysql command line utility

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jya:

confuzed_: I need to see a full playbakc with -v audio,playback

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: mysql -u user -p -h 192.168.1.132?

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confuzed_:

jya, no problem... I will pastebin it and send it to you in a min.

[01:56:10]

wagnerrp:

yes

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petethepirate:

Let me try that.

[01:57:11]

petethepirate:

wagnerrp: it gave me an error that it can not connect.

[01:57:23]

wagnerrp:

then that would explain why mythtv cannot connect either

[01:57:27]

[R]:

lol

[01:57:36]

wagnerrp:

is it that it cannot connect period? or the username/password were wrong?

[01:57:40]

petethepirate:

Why will it not connect?

[01:57:58]

petethepirate:

wagnerrp: it said can not connect. I'll try again with a bad password to see if it gives me something different.

[01:58:05]

wagnerrp:

if it cannot connect period, then mysql is probably not listening on the network

[01:58:14]

wagnerrp:

you will have to correct that in mysql settings, and restart mysql

[01:58:21]

jya:

peterpops: if it can't connect, the issue isn't your password, is that the mysql server isn't running

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wagnerrp:

jya: more likely its just restricted to the local socket

[01:58:56]

jya:

wagnerrp: yeah that's the default I think with Fedora system and others

[01:58:59]

wagnerrp:

peterpops: ignore the above comment, bad tab completion

[01:59:33]

petethepirate:

I tried with the correct password several times, still wouldn't connect.

[01:59:45]

petethepirate:

wagnerrp: I don't know mysql how would I do that?

[01:59:46]

wagnerrp:

petethepirate: then mysql is not listening on the network

[01:59:53]

wagnerrp:

honestly, i dont know

[02:00:04]

jya:

peterpops: do you read what people are writing in response to your post or not ?

[02:00:08]

wagnerrp:

my OS of choice defaults to sanely listening on the network

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jams:

it's in my.cnf the option is called "skip-networking" make sure it's commented out

[02:00:56]

petethepirate:

jya: yes I do, and I have verified it is up and running by telneting to its port. I don't know mysql, so I don't know anything outside of that to do.

[02:01:02]

[R]:

wagnerrp: i dunno... is that sane really?

[02:01:29]

wagnerrp:

[R]: most people who are going to be running mysql are going to be running a server, and possibly multiple servers

[02:01:30]

jya:

petethepirate: and when you telnet to the port, it says can't connect. So either mysqld isn't running, or it isn't listening to the interface

[02:01:44]

wagnerrp:

its more likely youre going to want to connect from the network, than not

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petethepirate:

jya: I do connect when I telnet.

[02:01:55]

[R]:

wagnerrp: but if you are running it on a desktop dist...

[02:02:04]

jya:

petethepirate: on the same machine ?

[02:02:12]

wagnerrp:

then you probably shouldnt be running mysql

[02:02:12]

petethepirate:

jya: from a different machine.

[02:02:14]

jya:

from the same machine

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[R]:

wagnerrp: lol

[02:02:37]

jya:

then what you think is the right password, isn't

[02:03:01]

wagnerrp:

IMHO, if youre using a database that only a single machine is ever going to access, then you may as well write your application to use embedded sqlite or mysql

[02:03:09]

wagnerrp:

rather than connect to a remote server

[02:03:17]

wagnerrp:

if youre going to be running a server, use it as a server

[02:04:12]

jya:

wagnerrp: I see the point of mysql only listening on the local interface. I have a web server, with plenty of services required mysql: bugzilla, forums, wiki etc... the mysql is local; no need to access it externally

[02:04:38]

wagnerrp:

i see the point of being able to, i dont see the point of it being the default setting

[02:04:58]

[R]:

wagnerrp: one could say its a stupidity filter :)

[02:05:24]

wagnerrp:

securing a machine for people who dont know how to do it for themselves?

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[R]:

no, more like if you want to use an app that needs remote access you need to know what you are doing

[02:05:48]

jya:

wagnerrp: we seem pretty good at doing just that with mythtv...

[02:05:51]

confuzed_:

jya, sorry that took so long... I am out of practice, mythtv has been working so good I haven't been in here in over a year. (thanks for all the hard work, the sound setup really is better present issue excluded) My log is here: http://pastebin.com/jSr50cWp

[02:09:34]

jya:

confuzed_: if you uncheck AC3 and DTS passthrough, how does it play ?

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jya:

can you try playing that file locally rather than through storage group?

[02:10:48]

jya:

something like:

[02:10:56]

confuzed_:

jya, Same.

[02:11:03]

jya:

mythavtest -v audio,playback idch_AviaSurroundTest-AC3.avi

[02:11:16]

confuzed_:

jya, sure... give me a min.

[02:11:18]

wagnerrp:

jya: whats this 'MythControlsVolume'?

[02:11:39]

jya:

wagnerrp: it's the flag indicating it myth internal volume control will be active or not

[02:12:01]

jya:

if that flag isn't checked, the options for volume control aren't even appearing

[02:12:10]

wagnerrp:

internal, being softvol? or mixer controls?

[02:13:00]

jya:

either

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confuzed_:

jya, copied the file locally... same issue.

[02:13:15]

jya:

wagnerrp: this is the checkbox showed at the top of the audio settings

[02:13:31]

jya:

can you post the log of the file playing locally thanks

[02:13:50]

confuzed_:

jya, just so you know, its all AC3 videos and recordings... I am just using that file because I know for a fact that it has worked before.

[02:14:23]

jya:

wagnerrp: if MythControlsVolume is set, then we check what volume control are: ALSA:default or other, software, PCM or master etc..

[02:14:27]

jya:

confuzed_: yeah that's fine

[02:15:01]

confuzed_:

jya, playing it with "mplayer -ao alsa:device=iec958 -ac hwac3 idch_AviaSurroundTest-AC3.avi" works flawlessly.

[02:15:11]

jya:

ok

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confuzed_:

jya, the one thing I did notice that seems off is that mplayer reports the following, while mythtv had something different if I read the logs correctly: hwac3: switched to AC3, 384000 bps, 48000 Hz

[02:16:23]

jya:

48kHz is all that matter here

[02:16:42]

jya:

confuzed_: try the following then:

[02:16:48]

jya:

check again AC3 and DTS

[02:16:56]

jya:

check advanced audio settings

[02:16:57]

wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/rUGc99y3

[02:17:02]

wagnerrp:

jams: up to 52 entries now

[02:17:07]

jya:

check override passthrough device

[02:17:20]

jya:

in the passthrough output device

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jya:

put:

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jya:

ALSA:iec958:AES0=6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x00,AES3=0x01

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jya:

(that's what mplayer would use)

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wagnerrp:

is AudioDefaultUpmix a boolean?

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confuzed_:

jya, same story.

[02:21:23]

jya:

wagnerrp: yes

[02:21:38]

jya:

confuzed_: ok then try for the passthrough device:

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jya:

ALSA:iec958:AES0=6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x00,AES3=0x00

[02:22:39]

wagnerrp:

ok, bit more sensible values... http://pastebin.com/qJz2HqTC

[02:23:50]

wagnerrp:

although MythControlsVolume is is false, even though im using analog audio

[02:24:00]

wagnerrp:

which is odd but not really a problem since i control volume through my tv anyway

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confuzed_:

jya, same.

[02:25:18]

confuzed_:

jya, perhaps a bit smoother, but hard to judge.

[02:25:45]

jya:

you still get bufferunderruns

[02:26:01]

jya:

Can you try the code from my repo ?

[02:26:20]

jya:

http://www.avenard.org/media/Ubuntu_Repositor . . . ository.html

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confuzed_:

jya, yeah same errors in log. I will try your repo's

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jya:

at this stage; buffer underruns are more likely than not related to your hardware being to slow somewhere

[02:27:02]

jya:

change your video profile playback

[02:27:19]

jya:

to something like default (I see you've configured it to use VDPAU, but you don't have a vdpau card)

[02:27:35]

jya:

try the "Default" playback profile or CPU+ only

[02:28:10]

jya:

confuzed_: I'd like to see the log with -v audio,playback with that passthrough override just to check what you actually did enter

[02:29:01]

confuzed_:

jya, funny, I don't remember configuring anything for VDPAU... I'll look at that. I have a custom playback profile with basically the most minimal settings possible, I even disabled all deinterlacing just to eliminate possible causes.

[02:29:25]

confuzed_:

jya, I will paste a new log in one min.

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wagnerrp:

confuzed_: you created a new profile? or you edited an existing one?

[02:32:15]

confuzed_:

wagnerrp, edited CPU+

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confuzed_:

wagnerrp, it evolved over time... this frontend has been in operation for about 3 years now.

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Newbuntu81-2:

wow, 3 years!!!

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mycosys:

about the same as my backend Newbuntu81–2

[02:34:13]

confuzed_:

3 years isn't long... my database has been around for 5–6 I think... though I may have done a partial restore when I upgraded once.

[02:35:35]

jya:

confuzed_: at this stage you have buffer underruns ; this is the result of the PC not decoding the video/audio quickly enough to write to to the audio card

[02:35:49]

jya:

the audio card is timed so it output a continuous flow

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confuzed_:

Newbuntu81–2, Number of shows:

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confuzed_:

389

[02:35:56]

confuzed_:

Number of episodes:

[02:35:56]

confuzed_:

10254

[02:35:56]

confuzed_:

First recording:

[02:35:56]

confuzed_:

Sunday February 19th, 2006

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confuzed_:

Last recording:

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jya:

it has to be fed audio at very regular interval

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confuzed_:

Saturday March 5th, 2011

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confuzed_:

Total Running Time:

[02:36:04]

confuzed_:

5 years 13 days 11 hrs 26 mins

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confuzed_:

Total Recorded:

[02:36:08]

confuzed_:

11 months 22 days 7 hrs 42 mins

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confuzed_:

OOPs.. sorry didn't mean to spam the list

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wagnerrp:

i only ask as there is a known issue with those dialog boxes that they do not allow you to select anything but the defaults

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Newbuntu81-2:

heck i'm still trying to get a distribution to work. i popped a 2nd drive in and am trying mythbuntu 10.04 while researching, and downloading fedora 14.

[02:36:29]

jya:

what's your CPU usage when you are playing things?

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wagnerrp:

i.e. you cannot create a new playback profile besides defining it in the code directly

[02:36:50]

Newbuntu81-2:

At least i'm learning Linux...maybe nowhere near as close as some of you, but i'm learning.

[02:37:24]

Beirdo:

ugh, so tired.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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jya:

wagnerrp: is this a new bug?

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Newbuntu81-2:

Newbie question...does the backend and frontend have to be the same distribution? Meaning can I run Fedora on the backend, and Mythbuntu on the frontend? (as long as the API, branches, etc. are the same)?

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confuzed_:

jya, this is odd... I have no problem playing out of an analog port, and this card used to work fine on .23, I would think passthrough would be less work. CP Usage is minimal, only about 10% IIRC with now IO wait.

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wagnerrp:

jya: very old one, some issue with how we handle the Qt

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jya:

always used to define my own playback profile; though I had to do it in two ways. Define the profile; as soon as I edit something , I have to save and go back to it

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[R]:

Newbuntu81–2: no, as long as its the same version

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wagnerrp:

i think it only affects the actual Qt dialogs, not the ones that have been converted to MythUI

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jya:

wagnerrp: yeah, the profile editor has always been buggy

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Beirdo:

I think I'll go make some coffee

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jya:

like you add a new config in the profile, and it doesn't show up

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sphery:

always since the Qt4 switch

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sphery:

worked fine before that

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jya:

but if you go straight to saving, and come back again: there they show

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jya:

confuzed_: once you've switched to my repo

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jya:

there's a new audio setup

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jya:

it's not in general anymore

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jya:

make sure you reset the audio to the default settings (e.g. deselect the override passthrough)

[02:40:37]

kisak_:

I wonder if detecting audio stream changes could be used as another method to try to help the mythcommflagger

[02:40:44]

jya:

in advanced audio settings, everything should be unchecked but the HBR passthrough

[02:40:54]

jya:

that's the only setting that is checked by default.

[02:41:26]

jya:

in the audio config screen, there's a "Test Audio" this one will play just audio, no video etc.. there you can check more easily what the problem is and if there is a problem

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jya:

no need to scan for audio device either anymore; it's automatic now

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jya:

so select the IEC958 device showing up in the list

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jya:

check AC3 and DTS

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jya:

go into speaker test

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jya:

click or test all

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jya:

and see what's going on

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jya:

start with mythfrontend -v audio,playback first

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confuzed_:

jya, what is the best way to upgrade to your repo... I have latest mythbuntu builds and yours don't appear as upgrades to them.

[02:43:24]

jya:

confuzed_: disable the mythbuntu repo

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jya:

enable my repo

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jya:

if it doesn't upgrade automatically

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jya:

uninstall the mythtv packages, then re-install

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jya:

it will be fine, they are identical packages other than for the underlying mythtv code

[02:44:25]

Newbuntu81-2:

Did anyone ever get the analog NTSC working with mythbuntu 10.10? I could only get ATSC working.

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[R]:

Newbuntu81–2: if you have a supported card... it works just fine

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jya:

Newbuntu81–2: atsc: transport medium, ntsc : signal type. e.g you can have ntsc in a atsc stream

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Newbuntu81-2:

I have two 2250s, a 950q, and 850. And I can't make any of them work in analog NTSC mode. LOL. Frustrating.

[02:46:10]

[R]:

"i cant make it work" doesn't really tell us anything

[02:46:33]

Newbuntu81-2:

I was looking at dropping back to mythbuntu 10.04, still researching. Looks like Fedora 14 has built in analog support in the driver, newer kernel.

[02:46:46]

jya:

you still have ntsc analog in the US still ?

[02:47:01]

jya:

didn't they switch completely like 2 years ago?

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[R]:

jya: the lower channels on cable tv

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[R]:

jya: thats just over the air

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Newbuntu81-2:

Some channels are still NTSC analog.

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Newbuntu81-2:

(via cable).

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Newbuntu81-2:

For some channels you have to get the "secret decoder box"...aka they want more money.

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confuzed_:

jya, just realized that I need to enable testing or bleading to see your myth builds... which should I use?

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jya:

confuzed_: no .. you only need "stable"

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jya:

do not activate testing nor bleeding

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confuzed:

jya, Ok... upgraded to your repo, and now I see buffer underruns just having the Audio test page open.

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jya:

confuzed: something didgy with your audio card then..

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jya:

cause all that page is open is write at regular interval audio data

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jya:

and as soon as you're in this page it writes 0

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jya:

to play silence

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jya:

you can try with speaker-test if you want, but you are likely going to see the same thing (you have to use stereo test though)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: have watched any of hawaii 50?

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wagnerrp:

they did a great enhance

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wagnerrp:

cell phone camera from about 50 yards, zooming in enough to get the tread patterns off a tire

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wagnerrp:

but when they zoomed in that last time, they magically rotated the camera up about 20 degrees

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confuzed:

jya, Please read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10527386#post10527386

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jya:

you have a very broken understanding on what this buffer size means

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confuzed:

figures

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confuzed:

thought I was on to something

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jya:

this is a buffer size in "samples"

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jya:

9600 frames = 38400 bytes

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jya:

all that we need to get 200ms of audio buffer

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confuzed:

can I force it to use 65536?

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jya:

now if you want to change this, you can edit the source code and change it to say 400ms

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jya:

65kB is the default alsa hardware buffer size

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jya:

which is what mplay is showing you

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jya:

that's the default alsa buffer size

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jya:

if you want to change this ; you edit mythtv/libs/libmyth/audiooutputalsa.cpp line 407

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jya:

and change buffer_time = period_time << 2; // buffer 200ms worth of samples

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jya:

into buffer_time = period_time << 4; // buffer 400ms worth of samples

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jya:

won't change a thing for you, but hey.. if you want to try

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jya:

if you set your system to be stereo only

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confuzed:

nah... not looking to recompile...been a really long time since I did that

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jya:

do you get buffer underruns too ?

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confuzed:

with your repo... I get tons of them

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jya:

with stereo?

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confuzed:

oh... no

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confuzed:

I don't think so.

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confuzed:

let me check

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jya:

the 5.1 audio test actually re-encode the 6 channels PCM stream into AC3

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jya:

in stereo, it does nothing

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confuzed:

Actually, yes just opening the audio test windows does give underruns on iec958. Analog works fine

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jya:

in stereo too ?

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confuzed:

yes

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jya:

can you try speaker-test -c2 -Diec958

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jya:

does it work for you?

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confuzed:

yes

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jya:

what value of period size and buffer size does it use?

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confuzed:

Buffer size range from 512 to 16384

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confuzed:

Period size range from 256 to 8192

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confuzed:

Using max buffer size 16384

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confuzed:

Periods = 4

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confuzed:

was set period_size = 4096

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confuzed:

was set buffer_size = 16384

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jya:

let me add a setting to force a bigger audio buffer

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jya:

see if that works any better

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jya:

but building packages can take several hours

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jya:

it would be easier if you could compile mythtv

[05:33:13]

jya:

and I send you a ptch

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jya:

patch

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confuzed:

I can, but you will need to walk me through it.

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jya:

ok

[05:33:38]

jya:

first get the source code

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jya:

git clone git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git

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jya:

probably will have to install git: sudo apt-get install git

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jya:

or easier

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jya:

give me a shell access to your machine, I do it for you

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confuzed:

I won't learn anything that way.

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jya:

ok

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confuzed:

besides, I'd have to open up my router and stuff.

[05:35:57]

wagnerrp:

youll learn not to give people on the internet shell access to your machine... :)

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jya:

so

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confuzed:

I know the basics, but it's been a long time.

[05:36:10]

jya:

git clone git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git

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confuzed:

... I know better, but didn't want to offend.

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confuzed:

I am running your code... if you wanted to rootkit me you woulda already done it ;-)

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jya:

I have better things to do :)

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confuzed:

probably gonna need build essentials too right?

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jya:

that comes ..

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jya:

sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv

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confuzed:

Wow...the repos are fast tonight... pulling at over 1.5Mb/ sec

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confuzed:

Ok.. git and build-dep done.

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jya:

ok

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jya:

git checkout jyavenard/backports/fixes/0.24

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confuzed:

Fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git

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jya:

you have to be in the mythtv folder

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confuzed:

do I need to be in the .git repo

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jya:

when you ran the git clone command

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jya:

it created a mythtv folder

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confuzed:

yep

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jya:

cd into it

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confuzed:

thought so

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confuzed:

done

[05:45:37]

jya:

actually cd mythtv/mythtv

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jya:

now: git checkout jyavenard/backports/fixes/0.24

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confuzed:

done

[05:46:41]

jya:

ok edit the file libs/libmyth/audiooutputalsa.cpp

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confuzed:

didn't download anything yet though... I assume I need to clone again?

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jya:

no you don't

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jya:

that's the beauty of git

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jya:

once git clone is done

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jya:

you have an identical mirror of the original repo

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jya:

that's also why it's so big

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confuzed:

ahh...

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confuzed:

not quite like CVS then

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jya:

no

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jya:

so emacs libs/libmyth/audiooutputalsa.cpp (or use you favourite editor)

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confuzed:

what line again?

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jya:

line 426

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jya:

replace period_time = 50000

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jya:

with : period_time = 85000

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confuzed:

done

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jya:

(this is the period time that speaker-test used, so let's re-use that one)

[05:51:04]

jya:

ok you are in the mythtv/mythtv directory ?

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confuzed:

yes

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jya:

run the command:

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jya:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mythtv-fixes --compile-type=debug

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jya:

then you do:

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jya:

sudo mkdir -p /usr/local/mythtv-fixes

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jya:

then sudo chown -R your_username /usr/local/mythtv-fixes

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jya:

how many processors in your machine ?

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confuzed:

P4 3ghz... hyperthreaded

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jya:

ok

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jya:

once th econfigure is done

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confuzed:

so, 2 according to top

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jya:

you do:

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jya:

make -j2

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jya:

and you want a good 10 minutes

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jya:

wait

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jya:

and I get myself a cup of coffee

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confuzed:

compiling

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confuzed:

lol... wish I could buy it for ya

[05:54:33]

jya:

I just trimmed trees for 4 hours, I'm stuffed

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confuzed:

I suppose I could donate on your site eh

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jya:

don't care if you do really..

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jya:

but don't give me $5 :)

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jya:

there's nothing worse than helping someone for hours and they give you after 3 hours $5. I prefer nothing

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confuzed:

lol... makes sense

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confuzed:

I guess it is kinda insulting.

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jya:

kinda :)

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confuzed:

do you get many donations?

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jya:

used to..

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jya:

haven't in a while

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jya:

ok coffee

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jya:

which folder is it up to now ?

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jya:

damn, it's such a nice day here... ouside, in the evening sun, got 29degres

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confuzed:

not even sure how to tell...

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jya:

confuzed: should be finish no?

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confuzed:

not done yet

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jya:

haven't used a P4 for a while :)

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confuzed:

lol... If I had thought about it I would have built it on my backend

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jya:

after that, it goes much faster once ccache has done its thing

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confuzed:

so where are you that the weather is so nice... I'm in Tennessee, been great for the last few weeks

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jya:

Melbourne, Australia

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confuzed:

Ahh. I think I knew that. Been a Myth user for so long now... but the last few years have been so easy that it really isn't even a hobby any more... it all just works.

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confuzed:

I used to spend hours following mailing lists and in IRC. This is the first time I have done anything remotely complicated in at least 2 years.

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jya:

looking at the mplayer source code, they use a .5s audio buffer

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jya:

or at least they try to use .5s

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confuzed:

what does myth use?

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jya:

.2s

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confuzed:

that might be all it is.

[06:20:04]

jya:

because that's what fit in the default 64kB audio buffer

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jya:

I had it set a 400ms for a little while, this broke audio playback on my backend

[06:20:46]

confuzed:

I saw a ticket from early in 0.24 that referenced 20000 and 40000 I though

[06:20:56]

jya:

there's no universal value that works for everyone

[06:21:12]

confuzed:

hmm. Can it be made user selectable?

[06:21:30]

jya:

the aim is to reduce the settings, not make it more complicated

[06:21:34]

confuzed:

finally... it's done

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jya:

ok

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jya:

now make install

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jya:

once installation is done you do:

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jya:

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/mythtv-fixes/lib /usr/local/mythtv-fixes/bin/mythfrontend -v audio,playback

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jya:

then go into the audio settings again, and try the audio test

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confuzed:

segfault

[06:24:05]

confuzed:

opening audio settings

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jya:

?

[06:24:36]

jya:

run it again? maybe it was a one off

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confuzed:

it was.

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jya:

with some nvidia drivers, OpenGL crashes

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confuzed:

no more buffer errors... the test is kinda sketchy, but it seems to be working, sorta

[06:26:36]

jya:

ok

[06:26:43]

jya:

so try again with mythavtest

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jya:

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/mythtv-fixes/lib /usr/local/mythtv-fixes/bin/mythavtest -v audio,playback testfikeac3.blah

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confuzed:

hmm... just tried to play a recording... it was doing the same thing... not as severely but it was still doing it

[06:28:11]

confuzed:

let me try the original test file

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jya:

what value does it get now for the buffer_size and period_size?

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confuzed:

ALSA: Buffer time = 340000 us

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confuzed:

2011-03–06 01:29:05.122 ALSA: Period time = 85000 us

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confuzed:

2011-03–06 01:29:05.123 ALSA: Buffer size = 16320 | Period size = 4080

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jya:

so pretty much the same as what speaker-test was using

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confuzed:

I don't know how to translate that into what speaker-test reported

[06:30:41]

jya:

speaker_test use the maximum it can

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jya:

rounded to a nice value

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confuzed:

still get a lot of: 2011-03–06 01:29:05.646 Player(0): Video is 21.252 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

[06:30:57]

confuzed:

2011-03–06 01:29:05.646 Player(0): Video is 21.3456 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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jya:

but no more buffer underruns ?

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jya:

you said before speaker-test returned 4064 for period size and 16384 buffer size

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confuzed:

I don't see it saying underrun

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jya:

ok then what you have no is a different problem

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confuzed:

Rate set to 48000Hz (requested 48000Hz)

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confuzed:

Buffer size range from 512 to 16384

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confuzed:

Period size range from 256 to 8192

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confuzed:

Using max buffer size 16384

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confuzed:

Periods = 4

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confuzed:

was set period_size = 4096

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confuzed:

was set buffer_size = 16384

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jya:

but you should get good audio

[06:33:27]

jya:

speaker-test use the maximum buffer size it can

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jya:

with 4 interrupts per buffer

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jya:

so period_size = buffer_size / 4

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jya:

mplayer aim for .5s of audio buffer, and 16 interrupts

[06:34:10]

jya:

so period_size = buffer_size / 16

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confuzed:

what did we change in our rebuild

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jya:

I used the same value as what speaker-test used (kind of)

[06:35:07]

jya:

it used values 1.7 times bigger

[06:35:14]

jya:

85ms = 50 ms * 1.7

[06:35:24]

jya:

hence the 85000 I made you put in the code

[06:35:57]

jya:

does this ac3 test file plays audio properly?

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jya:

(other than the dropped video frame, but that doesn't impact the sound)

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confuzed:

yeah... used to play great when I was using this card on 0.23

[06:36:33]

confuzed:

no... the dropped frames do cause sound to stutter

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jya:

in 0.23 ; the value it was using for both were totally random :)

[06:36:45]

jya:

let's try the mplayer value then

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jya:

re-edit that file

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confuzed:

what to

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jya:

line 426

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confuzed:

yeah

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jya:

change period_size to period_time = 21333;

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jya:

change buffer_time = period_time << 4;

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confuzed:

? you lost me

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confuzed:

there is no period_size

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jya:

period_time

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jya:

period_time = 21333;

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jya:

buffer_time = period_time << 4;

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confuzed:

got it

[06:39:15]

jya:

that should give you period_time = 1024 (or about) and buffer_time = 16 times that

[06:39:31]

jya:

then recompile

[06:39:39]

jya:

should be much faster now that you've run the build

[06:39:43]

confuzed:

just make & make install

[06:39:52]

confuzed:

?

[06:40:00]

jya:

yes

[06:40:05]

jya:

or make install directly

[06:40:16]

confuzed:

?

[06:40:36]

confuzed:

I do need to make first right?

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jya:

no

[06:41:48]

jya:

make install will build first

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confuzed:

really... didn't know that

[06:42:00]

jya:

but if you want to do it,

[06:42:07]

jya:

depends on the makefile

[06:42:10]

jya:

but in myth

[06:42:17]

jya:

make install run make default first

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confuzed:

ahh... I am decent with scripting languages, I cannot seem to get my head around compiled languages... it's always the build process that confuses me.

[06:43:18]

confuzed:

ok... installed... testing...

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jya:

what are the values reported now for buffer and period ?

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confuzed:

nailed it... playing smooth so far

[06:44:32]

confuzed:

saw a few dropped frames in the beginning as expected.

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confuzed:

2011-03–06 01:43:27.734 ALSA: Buffer time = 341333 us

[06:45:02]

confuzed:

2011-03–06 01:43:27.734 ALSA: Period time = 21333 us

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confuzed:

2011-03–06 01:43:27.734 ALSA: Buffer size = 16384 | Period size = 1024

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confuzed:

2011-03–06 01:43:27.734 AO: Audio fragment size: 2048

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jya:

yeah, those are the values used by mplayer

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confuzed:

not sure why myth says the period size is 1/4 what speaker-test says though

[06:46:25]

jya:

that's something you control in the code

[06:46:28]

confuzed:

let me try playing an HD recording

[06:46:32]

jya:

the << 2 or << 4

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jya:

<< 2 = * 4

[06:46:42]

jya:

<< 4 = * 16

[06:47:11]

jya:

(<< 2 is compiled using a shift instructions rather than a multiply, hence it's faster)

[06:47:40]

jya:

speaker-test use the maximum buffer size it can use (your is obviously 64kB)

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confuzed:

damn

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Beirdo:

heh. if gcc is working properly, * 4 and << 2 on an int are identical (once you turn on the optimizer)

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jya:

I would have thought that speaker-test (which is written by alsa developer) would have been more accurate of real time usage than mplayer

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confuzed:

same crap playing an hd recording from my hdhr

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jya:

confuzed: could be your processor being too slow though

[06:49:20]

jya:

Beirdo: on 64 bits, I found it not to be the case

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jya:

at least with gcc 4.4

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confuzed:

let me figure out what the file is and play it in mplayer

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Beirdo:

interesting. they really messed up the optimizer then

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jya:

when I do :

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jya:

long long var = 0;

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Beirdo:

but I like << 2 myself, I came from the embedded side

[06:50:21]

jya:

you can see that it assign an int, and convert int (32 bits) to 64 bits

[06:50:35]

jya:

I lost a bet there a year ago :)

[06:50:39]

Beirdo:

that's because... it's...

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Beirdo:

long long var = 0l;

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jya:

sure

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jya:

but surely, doing long long var = 0

[06:51:11]

Beirdo:

but I woulda thougt it would be smart enough to optimize THAT

[06:51:12]

jya:

you could assume it's smart enough to do long long var = 0LL;

[06:51:16]

Beirdo:

yeah

[06:51:36]

Beirdo:

how odd

[06:51:44]

Beirdo:

anyways, I like << :)

[06:51:55]

Beirdo:

it's more explicit

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jya:

confuzed: if that works for you, I may change the way the buffer size is calculated and copy the loginc of mplayer

[06:52:07]

Beirdo:

and keeps people from changing it to * 6 :)

[06:52:11]

jya:

Beirdo: I think so to

[06:52:19]

jya:

too

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jya:

the alsa utilities, always use a period size = 1/4th of the buffer size

[06:53:32]

jya:

so that's the figure I used ; thinking that it would be better on slow machine

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confuzed:

Ok... playing in mplayer works fine for the same file... here are the relevant details:

[06:53:35]

confuzed:

alsa-init: requested format: 48000 Hz, 2 channels, 108

[06:53:35]

confuzed:

alsa-init: using ALSA 1.0.23

[06:53:35]

confuzed:

alsa-spdif-init: playing AC3, 2 channels

[06:53:35]

confuzed:

alsa-init: using device spdif

[06:53:35]

confuzed:

alsa-init: pcm opened in blocking mode

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confuzed:

[AO_ALSA] Format ac3be is not supported by hardware, trying default.

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confuzed:

alsa-init: got buffersize=65536

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confuzed:

alsa-init: got period size 1024

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confuzed:

alsa: 48000 Hz/2 channels/4 bpf/65536 bytes buffer/Signed 16 bit Little Endian

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confuzed:

AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch ac3le (2 bytes per sample)

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** Beirdo slaps confuzed with pastebin.com **

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confuzed:

damn.. 1 too many lines?

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jya:

Beirdo: it's easier for me that way :)

[06:54:26]

Beirdo:

1 too many? about 6 too many :)

[06:54:33]

Beirdo:

anyways :)

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confuzed:

oh... I thought that was a bot slapping me

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jya:

confuzed: the buffer size showed by mplayer is in bytes

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jya:

not in samples like mythtv

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confuzed:

I understand that some sort of translation must be made... I just don't quite get it.

[06:55:47]

jya:

so 16384 = 65535 bytes

[06:55:58]

jya:

those are the values returned by ALSA

[06:56:10]

jya:

buffer size and period size are expressed in samples/frames

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jya:

16384 frames = 16384 * 2 (stereo) * 2 (16 bits audio) = 65536

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jya:

do you get buffer underruns though?

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confuzed:

does little-endian vs big-endian make a difference?

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jya:

confuzed: you have no choice, you have a little endian PC

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confuzed:

ok... just making sure

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wagnerrp:

endianness is something built into the hardware

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jya:

do you have buffer underruns ?

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confuzed:

I do indeed get buffer underruns

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wagnerrp:

you cant change it

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confuzed:

er... wait.. one sec

[06:58:08]

jya:

wagnerrp: with alsa, some cards expect big-endian samples

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jya:

AC3 is big-endian

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jya:

that's why mplayer is trying AC3 big-endian

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jya:

but I don't have any cards actually supporting it

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confuzed:

yes I do... I just tested again... I get the an underrun followed by a bunch of lines of doubling video frame rate.

[06:59:59]

jya:

what about in the audio test?

[07:00:41]

jya:

SD videos worked well right?

[07:01:09]

jya:

playing HD with a P4 and no hardware accelerated graphic, isn't going to take you far anyway

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confuzed:

Ok... I can open the test screen with no underruns like I had before

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jya:

and SD playback is okay?

[07:01:52]

confuzed:

And the test runs

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confuzed:

yes... but I don't think its using 5.1 audio

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confuzed:

so 2 channel audio works

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jya:

the AC3 ttest video file plays okay?

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confuzed:

funny thing is, even with 2 channel audio I get pauses in the sound and I see my lfe channel on my reciever turning on and off

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jya:

2 channels audio doesn't have LFE

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confuzed:

I know

[07:04:52]

jya:

so you haven't answered my question still

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confuzed:

I think it's just signifying a stutter in the digial audio stream

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jya:

does that AC3 test video works fine ?

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confuzed:

let me run it one more time

[07:05:43]

confuzed:

yeah... the AC3 audio test appears to be working good

[07:06:28]

confuzed:

so the passthrough is good... the 5.1 upconverted audio is not looking good.

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confuzed:

sure enough, If I disable 5.1 upmix, my stereo show works good

[07:08:33]

jya:

your machine is likely too slow

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confuzed:

I don't see how... it works fine with analog audio

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confuzed:

both cores are over 50% idle

[07:09:55]

confuzed:

well "cores" anyway

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jya:

or more likely, the video playback profile you're using isn't the right one

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confuzed:

hmm... just re-enabled extra audio buffering... seems smoot now

[07:11:02]

confuzed:

smooth

[07:11:27]

confuzed:

so it looks like all my test cases are good again

[07:11:38]

jya:

confuzed: that audio buffer is different to the alsa one we've played with

[07:11:58]

jya:

confuzed: hyperthreading in P4 was crap, don't look at it like it's a multi-core

[07:12:12]

confuzed:

I know.

[07:12:51]

jya:

ok... I'm going to make changes to the audio code tonight

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confuzed:

Ok... so with extra audio buffering on I now get perfect 5.1 upmix in "best" mode for 2channel... and smooth 5.1 AC3

[07:13:02]

jya:

you'll just have to update your install

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confuzed:

You rock JYA.

[07:13:20]

jya:

I think extra audio buffering should be made the default

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confuzed:

I agree... I forgot I had turned it off when we started testing this.

[07:13:36]

jya:

it's the default if you're using vdpau

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jya:

but that's not my part of the code... so I won't touch that

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confuzed:

So what time is it there?

[07:19:10]

jya:

6:20PM

[07:19:15]

jya:

perfect evening

[07:19:37]

jya:

right.. I'm off, got a call must attend another emergency (also computer related).. Bike here I come

[07:19:43]

jya:

see ya

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confuzed:

Thanks again sir... all test cases worked DTS, AAC, AC3, 2chan...etc.

[07:20:47]

confuzed:

We are all indebted to you!

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wagnerrp:

i dont think jya has (or wants) anything to do with 2chan

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confuzed:

lol

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confuzed:

I must say though... other than this little hiccup... 0.24's changes in the audio department have been awesome. Getting this card working with passthrough took me almost a week the first time back on 0.18 or 0.19

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confuzed:

And then of course, most of my AAC files wouldn't work right so I had to teach the wife to change the settings when she wanted to play them

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wagnerrp:

aac music? or videos with aac?

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confuzed:

videos with AAC. That was as recently as 0.23

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confuzed:

the sound would be SLLLLLOOOOOWWW unless we switched to 2 channel IIRC

[07:27:07]

wagnerrp:

yeah, something like that

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wagnerrp:

issue with FAAD versus the ffmpeg decoder

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confuzed:

yeah... I think that was it.

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wagnerrp:

one worked properly with 5.1 content

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wagnerrp:

the other worked properly with some broadcast format

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confuzed:

Anyway... I have been on 0.24 since it was released and all I can say is the transition from 0.23 was probably the biggest step forward on so many fronts that I have seen since I started with mythtv back on 0.16 (I think)

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confuzed:

There are a few things that I miss... but the improvements more than make up for them.

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wagnerrp:

if you say independent UI and OSD themes, there are probably a few devs waiting to maul you

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confuzed:

lol... I know better

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confuzed:

I have mixed feelings about that.

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wagnerrp:

there probably wouldnt be so much discussion about that if we had a couple widgets written up

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wagnerrp:

popup widgets, that is

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wagnerrp:

the simple fact is that if you have UI objects able to exist in both realms, you must have a single interface

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wagnerrp:

i mean thats the end of discussion, theres no way around it

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wagnerrp:

and even just having the popup notifier widget working to show that would have been sufficient

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confuzed:

My thinking is that instead of making them separate... allow the themer to include more than one OSD with their theme... then have a few OSD templates that the themer can include and tweak to match their theme

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wagnerrp:

well they can write multiple versions of a theme, with different OSDs

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confuzed:

That way, folks can use the UI theme they like with a selection of different (fully integrated) osd styles.

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confuzed:

Yeah... I suppose they could. I am thinking more along the lines of "standard" OSD templates. IE "low-res", "high-res", etc. All themes should include customized versions of those templates, in addition to their personal vision.

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confuzed:

+

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wagnerrp:

that would require the themer to write OSDs for someone other than themselves

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wagnerrp:

OSS developers are selfish

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confuzed:

I know... thats why someone would need to make them very simple for themers to incorporate. IE, drop the XML in the theme folder and tweak a few typeface and color options.

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wagnerrp:

that would imply a very limited theme interface

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confuzed:

Only for those standard "template" OSD options.

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confuzed:

The themer could still include their own fully integrated OSD

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wagnerrp:

the whole point of the new ui was to remove all such restrictions

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wagnerrp:

you force people to follow some template, they wont be able to do something that would make sense with the rest of the theme, in their artistic view

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confuzed:

I know, I am just trying to find a middle ground.

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confuzed:

It's not about forcing them to follow a template... they would still have complete creative control over their OSD. They would just be expected to provide more than one OSD, the additional ones would be written for them and they would simply adjust color and typeface and a few other minimal things so it doesn't clash. The user would either choose the fully integrated OSD, or one of the "standard" options.

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confuzed:

It's just an idea to satisfy everyone.

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confuzed:

I don't really care, my family likes Terra and screams if I change anything. Though they do complain about the 24hr clock.

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confuzed:

I personally like it, I have had more conversations about mythtv due to that silly clock... when a guest sees that they always ask questions and I get to show them all the other themes and explain how community developed software works... great conversation starter.

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wagnerrp:

well the consensus among devs so far seems to be that we need a single official theme, designed for usability

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wagnerrp:

and then just leave everything else up to independent themers

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confuzed:

I would like to see a standard theme, perhaps with various color/transparency options.

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confuzed:

But, honestly, I doubt I would use it... Most themes suffer from the same problem, too much stuff on the screen. That's why we like Terra in this house, everything is large and easy to understand. A few screens frustrate me but overall, I like the navigation.

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confuzed:

Well... it's almost 3am here. Nice chatting with you Ray... have a great evening!

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wagnerrp:

night

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confuzed:

Thanks for all your contributions... they do not go unappreciated!

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saloman:

hey canadian here

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saloman:

anyone frm bc

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veehexx:

hey all. can someone pastebin their /etc/lirc/hardware.conf for an mceusb device please..

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Beirdo:

well, I think it's almost bedtime.... 3am.

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Chat0120:

hi

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ugliefrog:

xbmc as a frontend on box a (mythfrontend on box a doesnt see anything thats why i used xbmc as a frontend)......mythtv backend on box b...........can view tv setup recording even see the recordings....however i try and play it..it gives an error in reference to the local directory....under settings Local Recording Directorie(s) the default setting is /var/lib/mythtv/recordings....is there something else i need to set to watch th

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ugliefrog:

ese videos

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judget:

hi when deciding to place my own videos on my mythtv backend what format is recommended for streaming over lan and wireless lan?

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judget:

anyone have any practical experience with this?

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wagnerrp:

nothing is recommended for wireless lan

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wagnerrp:

and wired lan can handle whatever type of video you want

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wagnerrp:

its generally easiest to just store the ISO or VOB off the DVD directly

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judget:

how about thumbnail management?

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wagnerrp:

what about it?

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judget:

i added a bunch -o-videos but no thumnails appear in my gallery

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kisak_:

I'm trying to record to a nfs share, and it appears to not allow files to be written to it, anyone care to help me troubleshoot it?

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo has no ability to natively generate thumbnails for content

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judget:

prolly need permissions for mythtv group

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wagnerrp:

you can pull thumbnails and other artwork from a metadata source (tmdb/ttvdb)

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judget:

ok but i decide to make my own what format and how to implement them?

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wagnerrp:

or you can write up a script to loop through your content and generate with mythpreviewgen

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kisak_:

from the recording backend the shared folder appears to be owned by mythtv:video

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wagnerrp:

jpeg or png, doesnt really matter

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wagnerrp:

kisak_: NFS doesnt care about names, only numbers

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judget:

there is nothing in settings to pint to a specific thumbnail for a specific video clip?

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wagnerrp:

are the mythtv and video user/group using the same IDs on both hosts?

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kisak_:

wagnerrp: right, and the numbers line up to the recording backend

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wagnerrp:

judget: the video itself will reference a thumbnail to use in the database

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wagnerrp:

stored in the Screenshots storage group

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wagnerrp:

but it will not generate that on its own

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wagnerrp:

you have to define that manually, or through the metadata grabbers

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judget:

hmmm then perhaps i am placing them on the backend incorrectly

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judget:

perhaps u couild direct me to that secion in documentation?

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wagnerrp:

judget: the 'folder.jpg' is the only file that mythvideo will automatically seek out in the videos directory tree

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wagnerrp:

all other artwork must be explicitly defined for that video in the database, and must be found in the respective storage group for its type (Coverart, Screenshots, Banners, etc...)

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wagnerrp:

theres no real documentation for this anywhere, as users are not expected to manually provide their own artwork

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wagnerrp:

its expected that they pull it through one of the metadata grabbers

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judget:

ok sooo well none of my videos that i copied to my videos fiolder are showing thumbnails

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wagnerrp:

are these commercial movies/tvshows?

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judget:

how do i manage the metadata grabbers

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wagnerrp:

select one, press 'w'

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judget:

my own video clips that I made

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wagnerrp:

your own personal video clips will not work with the metadata grabbers

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wagnerrp:

theyre designed for commercial content

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wagnerrp:

there was some script recently floating around the mailing list that would generate screenshots for other content

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judget:

ya when i press w a timeline runs briefly then nothing happensd... of course

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wagnerrp:

or at least mention of one, i dont know if it ever got posted

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judget:

yea i found the .pl script

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judget:

is there a default pw for the mythtv user?

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kisak_:

well, not sure what tinkering did it, but the nfs share is online now

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wagnerrp:

that would be something to ask your distro, mythtv does not create that user

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judget:

wagnerp do u mean ask at the ubuncu channel?

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judget:

i installed from the ppa mythbuntu distro

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wagnerrp:

#ubuntu-mythtv, yes

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judget:

ok thanks again for your assistance

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judget:

i found the thumbnail perl script and it looks like wagnerrp made a note there about modifying the script for perl bindings can u explain please?

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wagnerrp:

any perl script that accesses the database should be using the perl bindings, if for no other reason than for discovery of the database

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judget:

ok thanks wagnerrp all i need now is to try to figure ouit the pw for the user mythtv no response yet from the other channel

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wagnerrp:

chances are that script is too old to use with current mythvideo

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judget:

ok then what are my choices to add thumbnails for my video clips assuming the script is too old

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pak0:

hi there

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pak0:

good afternoon all people

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pak0:

i`m trying to make a dvd with mytharchive, the program creates the iso, but when he try it to burn it to a blank dvd, the program ask for a blank dvd and can do nothing

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pak0:

is about the permissions on dvd but i dont knot how to solved

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pak0:

i think the problem is on /dev/dvd, maybe is /dev/sr0 or anything

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confuzed:

Can anyone here answer a couple questions about theming?

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confuzed:

Writing/changing one... not trying to debate the new UI/OSD theme choices.

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Captain_Murdoch:

confuzed, there's a #mythtv-theming which is dedicated to questions like that. not sure how much quicker you'll get an answer there, but it keeps the subject more on-topic.

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confuzed:

didn't know that... I'll take a look

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confuzed:

Captain_Murdoch, every time I try to send anything in the mythtv-theming channel I get a "cannot send to channel" error. What's that about?

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kormoc:

you need to register your nick with nickserv and be logged in

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confuzed:

Strange... I thought XChat did that for me

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kormoc:

it's a extra step. Xchat will login for you, but it won't register

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confuzed:

so mythtv-users doesn't require it?

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kormoc:

right

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clgshaft:

Does the ir blaster work on the 2250?

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clgshaft:

Can I use a mce unit to send ir commands to a cable box, the backend to send the command, no a remote control

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[R]:

if you have a transmitter and set it up properly...

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clgshaft:

What kind of transmitter?

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clgshaft:

I have a mce from a 1600

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[R]:

huh?

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[R]:

an ir transmistter...

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[R]:

also known as an "ir blaster"

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clgshaft:

Yes

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[R]:

yes what

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clgshaft:

The USB mce unit

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clgshaft:

An ir blaster

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[R]:

well there yo ugo

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clgshaft:

But I believe it is designed to use a remote control

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[R]:

a blaster can't be "designed to be used a remote"

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[R]:

that makes no sense

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[R]:

a blaster is a blaster and it transmits signals

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[R]:

tahts the point

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clgshaft:

The mce has a ir receiver that takes a command and then sends to the receiver, so you would use a remote control to send that command

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clgshaft:

Cable box, sat receiver

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kormoc:

the microsoft mce usb is a combo pack

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kormoc:

it can be used to generate remote signals

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kormoc:

and it can be used to receive remote signals

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clgshaft:

Ok

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clgshaft:

But I want to change channels through the backend with my keyboard

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kormoc:

and it will

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kormoc:

the backend knows how to generate the ir commands that get sent to the cable box via the mceusb ir blaster

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kormoc:

no remote input required

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clgshaft:

Ok, do you know of a guide? I need lirc?

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clgshaft:

Sorry but I really don't understand the concept, I have thus mce a cable box and I use my keyboard for changing channels

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kormoc:

okay...

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clgshaft:

So I can make thus work

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kormoc:

You understand when you press buttons on a remote it changes channels on the cable box? It does that by generating ir signals and sending them. lirc allows your computer to do the same thing. Myth uses lirc and so when you tell myth to change channels, it'll use lirc to generate the ir signals and it changes the channel on the cable box

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clgshaft:

Ok that makes sense

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clgshaft:

So lirc will send commands through the mce to the cable box

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kormoc:

Aye

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clgshaft:

Do you know of a guide?

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kormoc:

there's likely one in the wiki (wiki.mythtv.org)

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clgshaft:

Ok thanks for the help

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Newbuntu81-2:

Whoohoo, 2.6.37 kernel with onboard support for hvr 2250!

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petethepirate:

Newbuntu81–2: I have been having nothing but trouble trying to get my 2250 working with 2.6.37. Where did you find that information? And installation instructions?

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judget:

error opening jump program file prolly means i missed something in the backend configs?

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judget:

when i try to change channels

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wagnerrp:

typically, yes

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judget:

hint?

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wagnerrp:

check the backend logs

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wagnerrp:

petethepirate: the 2250 has been supports for several kernels now

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qwebirc84049:

anyone know why i cannot select "uk radio times" in myth-setup->video source->listings grabber ??? (the only options available are EIT or schedules direct) (using mythbuntu 10.10)

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: where can I find information on getting it to work? I've been working on this since last night.

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wagnerrp:

EIT and schedules direct are the only two sources supported directly

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wagnerrp:

everything else will have to be accessed through the generic XMLTV interface

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qwebirc84049:

any how-to links to walk me through that please?

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wagnerrp:

petethepirate: digital support has been included in the kernel since 2.6.33 or so

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wagnerrp:

analog support is something much more recent

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, ive never used the card so i have no recommendations

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: since .35 the drivers have been broken. I thought that what the person was referring to was the drivers getting fixed.

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wagnerrp:

the drivers have NOT been broken

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wagnerrp:

perhaps those modules shipped with ubuntu have been broken

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wagnerrp:

but that is something completely different

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Newbuntu81-2:

I couldn't get mythtv to work with the 2250 drivers in Mythbuntu 10.10.

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Newbuntu81-2:

clgshaft told me about integrated support in Fedora 14, so that's what i'm on now. Popped in a 2nd hard drive so i wouldn't lose my Mythbuntu settings.

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Newbuntu81-2:

I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.37 earlier today, it has the newest stoth driver. Did a mplayer command and could watch 2 NTSC cable programs at the same time--in both Mythbuntu 10.10 and Fedora 14 running kernel 2.6.37

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judget:

ah unknown video codec — please goto TV settings recording profile and setup the four software encoders...

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wagnerrp:

judget: what tuner card do you have?

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judget:

hauppauge 44981 LF

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wagnerrp:

eew.... old wintv-go

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petethepirate:

Why would I get this error? I've been trying to find ti_wilink_st.h since last night. media_build/v4l/fmdrv_common.c:41: fatal error: linux/ti_wilink_st.h: No such file or directory

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judget:

well i did not pay anything for it :)

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wagnerrp:

judget: id surely hope not

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judget:

courtesy of ABC TV dumpster

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wagnerrp:

for analog, look around craigslist or ebay, pick up an old PVR-150 or -500

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wagnerrp:

should be about $20/tuner (so $40 for the -500)

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judget:

i will prolly get a digital card soon

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judget:

especially since comcast is phasing out the analog distribution as we speak

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wagnerrp:

you might want to read up on http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if any of these buy-it-now cards for >$30 ever sell

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jarle:

I just recently discovered the mobile mythweb version, however there is no way to create recording rules through that?

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jarle:

(my phone automatically displays the mobile version of mythweb when connecting..)

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judget:

wagnerp so is it the card or the settings? what do u think?

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wagnerrp:

definitely both

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[R]:

jarle: i think i'm using the "mobile version"... and it seems the same as the regular one to me

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jarle:

[R]: I see a special layout, just for mobile media...

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[R]:

yeah, i switched to the mobile version

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[R]:

and it had all the regular features

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, hes talking about the highly limited WEP mode

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wagnerrp:

very simple, text only

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

i put the WAP tempalte on

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[R]:

is that differnet?

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jarle:

[R]: However, I can select "reset layout", and then I see the normal layout...

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wagnerrp:

WEP/WAP, i never remember the acronym

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[R]:

i dunno, i switched to the WAP, it looked differnet, but it still had all the same things

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[R]:

lemme look at it in android

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jarle:

somehow /var/www/mythweb/modules/tv/list.php tries to access modules/tv/tmpl/iPod/list.php which doesn't exist..

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judget:

well im looking in the 4 software encoders do i ned to enable auto-transcoding?

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wagnerrp:

if you are using a framegrabber (like a wintv-go), you will need to compress all recordings on-the-fly

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[R]:

jarle: ok, it looks like if i set it to iPod/WAP i get some kind of error

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jarle:

[R]: where do you change that setting?

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[R]:

jarle: in the settings...

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[R]:

skin/template

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jarle:

[R]: it tries to access the iPod dir at you place too?

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[R]:

if i set it to ipod

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jarle:

[R]: are you able to figure out where the bug is?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc or sphery around?

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[R]:

no, cuz i dont care

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kormoc:

yes

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wagnerrp:

whats the issue with mysql 5.5?

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wagnerrp:

would it cause segfaults on mythtv 0.24?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, 2011-12–31T23:59:59 isn't valid. 2011-12–31 23:59:59 is

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kormoc:

and no, shouldn't segfault

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jarle:

[R]: I'm not able to see any skin settings in my normal browser, only on my phone?

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[R]:

um...

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[R]:

i have 7 skins

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[R]:

and 3 templates

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wagnerrp:

trying to figure out this one... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/problems-mysql-data . . . 8/#post56562

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jarle:

[R]: just select settings from the main menu, and then you see skin settings??

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[R]:

yup

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, run with -v database for the mythtv-setup part

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'm thinking he didn't run mc.sql

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kormoc:

jarle, http://ip/mythweb/settings/mythweb/session

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wagnerrp:

yeah, looks like the archlinux directions have you log into mysql and create the database directly

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and didn't we roll up recently?

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jarle:

kormoc: thnx!

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wagnerrp:

schema rollup shouldnt matter, since mc.sql only creates the database and sets the encoding

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wagnerrp:

it leaves the tables for mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

ahh, I thought we were rolling them into mc.sql

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wagnerrp:

nah

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wagnerrp:

previously, the database would get created at some low 12xx number

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wagnerrp:

and then update all the way to current

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** [R] loves fruit roll ups **

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[R]:

thats what we're talking abour right?

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[R]:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

wow, this archlinux guide is _old_

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kisak_:

I'm running 0.24-fixes and occasionally I get a recording in which has some sort of damage to the start of the file which prevents the audio stream from starting

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and, thanks to kormoc, we may have fixed all the issues with mysql 5.5, now

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sphery:

(in trunk, not 0.24)

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kormoc:

Least with standard backend functionality ;)

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kisak_:

how'd they go from mysql 5.1 to 5.5?

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kisak_:

where'd 5.2 go?

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kormoc:

kisak_, it's still possible. and there's a 6 beta that's been out for a year longer then the 5.5 beta

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kormoc:

(in other words, mysql development is just wild)

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kisak_:

it just seems odd to me since mysql versioning is normally slow and sane

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[R]:

kisak_: i see a 5.2 and a 5.4

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kormoc:

kisak_, and then they were sold to sun and half the team left, then they were sold to oracle and half the team left again....

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kormoc:

[R], there's a 5.3 branch somewhere as well

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[R]:

kormoc: so that means no one is left? or 1/4 of the original team...

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kormoc:

[R], 1/4th

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kormoc:

but plenty of new folks inbound as well

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prl2:

I'm using minimyth with mythtv 0.24. I am able to access the nfs mount of my videos on /mnt/videos, and it is configured to look there, but nothing appears in Media Library -> Watch Videos.

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prl2:

The Internet says I need to scan for new videos, but nowhere do I see that option.

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wagnerrp:

press 'm'

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wagnerrp:

is this a dedicated frontend?

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prl2:

ah – _that_ menu. Didn't know I could do that.

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prl2:

hm it found it. An option 'Storage Groups' appeared with an awkward overlay of a question mark and '1'. Inside there is my video. No metadata appears, and hitting play just flickers the screen. :/

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wagnerrp:

you should only see 'storage groups' if you are in file browse mode

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prl2:

Running a backend-only server, and this is a pxe booted diskless dedicated frontend.

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wagnerrp:

you almost certainly dont want to be in browse mode

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wagnerrp:

is the video content stored on your backend?

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prl2:

From main menu, I go Media Library -> Watch Videos and see that

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prl2:

Yes it is, and there is an nfs mount to /mnt/videos

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wagnerrp:

and you configured the storage on the backend using storage groups?

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wagnerrp:

if you are using storage groups, then you have no need or want for NFS

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prl2:

I used the default setup and dropped my files into /var/lib/mythtv/videos

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wagnerrp:

if you are not using storage groups, you should be

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prl2:

ok, so if the default backend setup uses storage groups, I need to change something on my frontend to use that instead of the nfs share?

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wagnerrp:

if the videos are stored in the backend, and the paths defined in the Videos storage group

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wagnerrp:

then you have to do... nothing!

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wagnerrp:

thats the whole point of storage groups

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wagnerrp:

frontends just have access to the content, no configuration needed

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wagnerrp:

in contrast, if you were using the old paths defined in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

each frontend would need to be configured independently

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wagnerrp:

and the videos shared over NFS manually

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prl2:

hm... in the media settings -> videos portion on my frontend, there still is a 'directories that hold videos' option and such. Do I just ignore that?

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wagnerrp:

ignore it, its likely to go away in the near future

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prl2:

ok. so the video shows up in a storage group now, but doesn't play. Is there a log or something to look at specifically for a reason?

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wagnerrp:

check the backend logs to see if it had a problem opening the files

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prl2:

hm nothing in the backend logs

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prl2:

just that the frontend was added as a client

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wagnerrp:

what type of file is this?

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prl2:

mp4

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wagnerrp:

mp4 should have no problem playing

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prl2:

also I guess it's telling that is says 'runtime: 0 minutes' on the play window... guess it can't even open it?

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wagnerrp:

runtime is an arbitrary value defined in the metadata

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wagnerrp:

has nothing to do with the file itself

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prl2:

ah k – wasn't sure if that was metatdata or part of the format

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prl2:

file in /var/lib/mythtv/videos is owned by mythtv and is world readable...

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prl2:

rebooting the frontend without nfs and seeing if it still sees things correctly

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wagnerrp:

or you could just unmount nfs

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prl2:

I made some other changes in the conf file – want to start clean before making assumptions

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prl2:

back up now

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prl2:

ok it sees the second video I added (another mp4) but playing either of them just has a 'please wait' screen flash up for an instant then disappear

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wagnerrp:

frontend logs?

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prl2:

aha got something this time

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prl2:

"Failed to open remote file (myth://Videos@127.0.0.1:6543/Futurama – 6..."

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wagnerrp:

127.0.0.1....

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prl2:

that 127.0.0.1 should probably be the master

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prl2:

yep

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats a problem

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prl2:

is that configured in the db?

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt even be able to connect to the backend

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prl2:

I had to change some earlier from 127.0.0.1

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prl2:

primary and backendserver options in the database for this frontend host

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prl2:

changed them to the real ip

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wagnerrp:

you arent doing something foolish like having multiple database servers are you?

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prl2:

nope

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prl2:

but on first config, it was connecting ok to the db server, but then trying to connect to a backend server on 127.0.0.1.

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prl2:

basically did an "update settings set data='myip' where value='MasterServerIP' and hostname='myhostname';" on the db

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wagnerrp:

open mysql, and 'truncate table videometadata';

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup on the master backend

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prl2:

k

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wagnerrp:

make sure the masterserverip and backendserverip are set to the master backend's network accessible ip

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wagnerrp:

restart the backend

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wagnerrp:

restart the frontend

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wagnerrp:

and rescan

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prl2:

done – frontend restarting now

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prl2:

appears to be working well :)

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prl2:

just a bit of an aspect ratio problem then I'll be on my way! thanks

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jya:

confuzed: I'm about to start a new build on the jyavenard/backports/fixes/0.24

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jya:

before I do; could you run git pull on your git checkout and recompile and let me know if all is working for you still

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