Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, March 5th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

sounds like a lot of work... I thought with clouds, you just floated stuff around and all was good.

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kormoc:

elastic clouds!

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wagnerrp:

re #9632: can we just require microsoft to be compatible with upnp?

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[R]:

haha

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wylie:

i just put xbmc on appletv2 hoping i could get the myth:// protocol stuff working — does anyone have this working? i prefer not use mythbox... this is for my kids TV vs family room where we run mythfrontend

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[R]:

unofficial programs taht interact with myth aren't really supported here

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[R]:

its probably not gonna work cuz most programs dont proerly implement the protocol

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wylie:

[R] mythbox works great if you like the interface (I don't) — it implements the protocol properly — my question is simply has anyone successfully been using the direct myth:// proto feature via xbmc vs something like mythbox... not looking for support, been running mythtv for 10 years

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wagnerrp:

wylie: i wont go so far as to say it implements it properly (having not thoroughly read the code), but at least it implements it sanely, having special handling for different protocol versions

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wagnerrp:

most third party implementations just outright disregard the protocol version

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wagnerrp:

but his point still stands

[03:10:34]

wagnerrp:

we dont write it, we dont maintain it, so we dont support it in this channel

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, mythbox has been abandoned in favor of a compiled C plugin

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** Beirdo grumbles **

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Beirdo:

I've inherited some machines (production ones to boot) that are behaving stupidly

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Beirdo:

oooh, this can't be good

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Beirdo:

/site contains a file system with errors, check forced.

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

(doing fsck -n, don't worry)

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wagnerrp:

this can't be good... youre running ext3?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

wonder what it would take to take that box down and do a proper fsck on it

[03:26:24]

Beirdo:

the weirdest thing... iostat and vmstat both show no blocks being read, only written

[03:28:51]

Beirdo:

sigh

[03:29:24]

Beirdo:

I think I'll take a break and go see what assembly is necessary on my new recliner chair that got delivered today... in a box

[03:29:27]

wylie:

wagnerrp i was not a fan of mythbox — would you happen to know the name of the compiled C plugin

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wagnerrp:

its not yet finished

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wagnerrp:

but by 'abandoned', i mean mythbox is no longer being maintained

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wylie:

ya, that's what i thought you meant — its ok if not finished, but would you happen to recall name of it? or nothing something sitting in a git or svn repo?

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wylie:

s/nothing/not

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wagnerrp:

theres discussion of it on their forums

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, i dont recall

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wylie:

hmmm.. mythbox has releases on 1/13/11 and 1/24/11 so doesn't look not maintained — closing open issues — but its issues is not why i don't like it — i just don't

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wylie:

eventually i'll take the time to try mythfrontend on atv2 — i'm pretty impressed with the form-factor — and you can add the broadcom crystalhd and drivers for hardware decoding of mpeg2, h264 and vc1 for up to 1080p for ~$40

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wylie:

a <4 inch square, <1inch tall frontend is what i've been drooling for, for years

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wagnerrp:

the ATV2 does not have a crystalhd decoder

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wylie:

you can add it

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wagnerrp:

no you cant

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wylie:

the chipset — i think you can — let me find the notes — of course, they could be wrong but i've seen the add-on and some photos of someone saying they are doing it

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wagnerrp:

the original ATV was a 1GHz P-M, and it used a minipcie wireless card

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wagnerrp:

you could replace the wireless card with a crystalhd decoder

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wagnerrp:

the new appletv is an A4, which is a 1GHz ARM A8, with an integrated PowerVR graphics chip and decoder

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wylie:

that makes sense and is in sync with what i recall reading — you are correct, obviously

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wagnerrp:

the video decoder is intentionally gimped by apple, limited either for thermal reasons, or to push their own itunes content which fits within the (rather severe) restrictions

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wylie:

makes sense

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not currently support VDA (apple's video decoder interface)

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wagnerrp:

but if it did, it would be limited to those gimped restrictions

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wagnerrp:

xbmc works because one of the developers found some hidden 'videotoolkit' interface, which accesses the hardware more directly, bypassing the documented VDA

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, the system only has 256MB of memory, and hardly any opengl performance

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wagnerrp:

256MB is really below the limit at which a bare, high definition mythfrontend is comfortable

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wagnerrp:

and thats assuming youre not pulling up tons of artwork

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wagnerrp:

the original ATV with a CHD decoder is at least semi-usable now as a mythtv frontend

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wagnerrp:

the ATV2 is not at all usable

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wagnerrp:

but neither has enough memory to really be worthwhile

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clgshaft:

That's some great info wagnerrp

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wylie:

great info — i happened to pick one up yesterday while passing an apple store after eating lunch. its still great for my kids to watch shows on netflix so i'm not terribly disappointed

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wagnerrp:

if it meets your needs with other softwares, thats great

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wagnerrp:

just dont expect it to run mythfrontend well

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wylie:

yup, clearly not worth the effort to even try it

[03:48:15]

wylie:

seriously appreciate the feedback as i would have wasted a lot of time tinkering and/or searching for more info — exactly what i needed to hear — not exactly what i wanted to hear, lol, but c'est la vie

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Beirdo:

"while passing an apple store"...

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Beirdo:

hhehe

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Beirdo:

doesn't sound like you passed it to me :)

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wagnerrp:

he passed through

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Beirdo:

it's like a 1980s GM station wagon "passing by" a gas station

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wagnerrp:

so he was pushed into the apple store?

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sphery:

so, The Cape is done... final episode online, only

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sphery:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/03/t . . . e-only/84550

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wagnerrp:

online only? WTF...

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sphery:

well, can't waste 1hr of broadcast time closing out the season/series

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wagnerrp:

that girl is the death of shows

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

but I like her

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wagnerrp:

do i continue watching? or just abandon?

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sphery:

I may watch the whole season in a hurry so I can watch the online episode before they pull it off

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sphery:

(which I have a feeling they'll do after about 2 weeks or so)

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sphery:

woah, didn't know the martian manhunter was on The Cape

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sphery:

ah, guess he's not... bad pic on the page, it's someone else

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sphery:

wow, and now Fringe is likely to be cancelled

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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sphery:

based on http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/02/27/b . . . ourced/83901

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sphery:

heh, and I just started watching Mad Love tonight--and it's likely to be cancelled

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wagnerrp:

never heard of it

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sphery:

lot of people are calling it a bad copy of "How I Met Your Mother"

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sphery:

I'd call it "What Happened After I Met Your Mother"

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sphery:

oh, but fox already renewed American Dad

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sphery:

can't kill bad animation, it seems

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sphery:

yeah, they are updating the bubble watch page... they've also lowered Fringe on http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/01/f . . . al-too/84054 from when I last looked at it (was 4 smileys earlier this week)

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wagnerrp:

why is mr sunshine on the bubble?

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wagnerrp:

its had all of four episodes, and like no advertising

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wagnerrp:

you cant cancel a show without even giving it a chance

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wagnerrp:

i thought greys anatomy was ended like two years ago

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sphery:

no, Grey's has been going strong

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wagnerrp:

i mean i thought they ended it, not that it was cancelled

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sphery:

just not getting the "Anything she wants" treatment since some political issues

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sphery:

so not as much advertising

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Beirdo:

it's still running.

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Beirdo:

and still Seattle-based :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

and that apple ad... erm, modern family

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sphery:

Shonda Rhimes... (She thought she single-handledly changed TV forever.)

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sphery:

I haven't started watching Mr Sunshine

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sphery:

is that the new one with Chandler?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

(Matthew Perry)

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

i usually like the stuff hes in

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Beirdo:

it's... OK, I guess

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Beirdo:

then there's Episodes

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sphery:

That'

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sphery:

s Joey's show?

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Beirdo:

on Showtime...

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Beirdo:

yep

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Beirdo:

Matt LeBlanc as himself as an actor

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

with gray hair!

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Beirdo:

it's OK too... I have already deleted every episode

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Beirdo:

aye

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Beirdo:

oh crap

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sphery:

he said he was dying his hair on friends

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Beirdo:

I forgot to restart the backend at noon

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Beirdo:

pretty lame when I have to do upgrades mid-day :)

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

the defenders is getting canned?

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sphery:

heh, 2 1/2 Men meltdown could save either Mad Love or ... My Dad Says

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wow, "Certain"--and not just once certain

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sphery:

wonder why it's klisted 2x

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sphery:

ah, seems they're showing numbers for Friday and non-Friday airings

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sphery:

(since Friday shows are often renewed with significantly lower ratings)

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wagnerrp:

it was getting good numbers too

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wagnerrp:

8.67M on a friday night

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wagnerrp:

double the viewers as fringe

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sphery:

well, Fringe isn't safe, yet, so...

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wagnerrp:

but if fringe is on the bubble, and something with double the viewership is canned?

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sphery:

different networks, though--and cbs has a stronger lineup

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sphery:

seems suspect behavior is lower than 4 smileys, now

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: want to make some threats to put an end to the UI/OSD thread

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wagnerrp:

it seems to have devolved past any sensible discussion and just into rants against users

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Beirdo:

hehe, I keep hoping it will die an unnatural death

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Beirdo:

Maybe we should go rattle a saber.

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sphery:

I was hoping for the quiet death, too

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Beirdo:

oooh, Royal Pains finale

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Beirdo:

wonder how long that's been waiting for me

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kisak_:

I want to have a slave mythbackend for additional storage space, is the master backend able to capture and save over the network using mythtv's protocol or do I need to nfs share the repo locations to the recording (master) backend?

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wagnerrp:

you should only be using a slave backend if you have a tuner on that machine

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wagnerrp:

if you have no tuner on that machine, just mount the storage to the master using NFS and leave it at that

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sphery:

which is also the only way for MythTV to record shows to a remote file system (using NFS/CIFS/...)

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sphery:

in other words, no, the master backend could not save over the network using mythtv's protocol

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Beirdo:

I think I need some Lithium AAs for my freezer's thermometer

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kisak_:

perhaps an analog thermometer is more appropreate for a freezer

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Beirdo:

pfft

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Beirdo:

that defeats the purpose of having a wireless thermometer :)

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Beirdo:

heh, now the receiver doesn't see them at all

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Beirdo:

even better

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

anyone happen to have a Mac G5 handy?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: well im really gutting this smolt stuff

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, i wonder how much of it is improvement, and how much is just difference in coding styles

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kormoc:

heh, we'll see when upstream takes a look at it :)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: for those historical statistics in mythweb, is there any way to tell the difference between a recording and livetv?

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wagnerrp:

for that matter, does livetv even spawn oldrecorded entries?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: maybe you know that one ^^^^

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I don't believe so

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wagnerrp:

so we really wouldnt be able to measure livetv use outside of a day or so

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kormoc:

Aye, but we could patch it in to be able to tell if we wanted

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wagnerrp:

from this point forward

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kormoc:

yeah

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FabriceMG:

what is libfftw3 (Sound Output Support) in configure option compilation?

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ugliefrog:

I finally got mythubuntu settup on a old box....my question is how do i setup a second frontend so i can access it from my main computer

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ugliefrog:

k...im closer i can connect but cant see recordings..

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ugliefrog:

i have mythbuntu installed on one pc...i can access it with my main pc except i cant see the recordings I can set them to record but once they are finished I CANT SEE THEM

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veehexx:

ugliefrog – i think i might of seen something with mythtv moving it to a folder somewhere else once recording has finished.

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veehexx:

i do know where, but it wasnt in the /home/ dir.

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veehexx:

*do = dont

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ugliefrog:

I can see them in the mythbuntu box....I guess Im not setting up the secondary frontend right

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veehexx:

ah – permissions then?

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ugliefrog:

i dont know.....i fumbled through the install...cant figure out the second frontend on my main pc to sccess it tho

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veehexx:

i dont know then!

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ugliefrog:

lol me either...do you know were a tutorial is on the net that explains secondary frontend?

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veehexx:

you've probably got more experience than i have with mythtv in all honesty. i'd look on the documentation/wiki links on mythtv.org. then google it.

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veehexx:

i'd expect it to just work once you have the firewall ports open/mytht backup setup right.

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dewman:

what is the correct usage for the 6200ch script? I am trying to tell it to use GUID but it doesnt seem to find the guid of the cable box.

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dewman:

so ie 6200ch guidnumber gives me a unknown guid number

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dewman:

thinking I would try the port it seems the syntax of 6200ch -v -n 0 is incorrect.

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dewman:

opps, i meant node not port

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ugliefrog:

i have pc "1" with mythbuntu installed I can connect to PC "1" with PC "2"...however PC "2" cant see any recordings....PC "2" can schedule recordings and view the guide

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dewman:

plug report shows node 0 is he node I want to use.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: If we do change it to distinguish between live recordings and real recordings, I'd like to see it done as a new RecStatusTypes of rsLiveTV. That may require flipping the status on exit, if we can't set it to rsLiveTV while recording (don't know the recorder well enough to know if it has to have rsRecording while recording). Also, we'd have to decide whether to keep old Live TV history (with current cleanup, it will ...

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sphery:

... be removed after 10 days if we change the recstatus, but would be easy to have it keep them). That said, all prior history would skew any statistics--since we can't distinguish between live and real past recordings.

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sphery:

I would lean toward using an rsLiveTV and cleaning it up after 10 days, rather than keeping it as history--but then again, maybe I'm biased, since I don't use Live TV

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sphery:

but since it wouldn't be useful for duplicate matching, cleaning it up makes sense (as live tv is not marked as eligible for duplicate matching, by default--meaning it should be cleaned up, now...)

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Newbuntu81-2:

Anyone have Mythbuntu 10.10 and an Hauppauge 2250 or 950q and actually get it to work in analog NTSC cable mode?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, actually, it looks like we don't even put Live TV into oldrecorded.

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FabriceMG:

sphery, I have one copilation error on last 0.24 ,util-nvctrl.cpp, 64bit

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sphery:

so no history is stored for it

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sphery:

FabriceMG: can you pastebin the error, please?

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FabriceMG:

20000 ligne

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FabriceMG:

!

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sphery:

ok, do this: make -j 1 2>&1 | tee $HOME/compile_fail.log

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sphery:

that should be short

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sphery:

(it will skip over all the already-compiled and just try to compile the part that fails)

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FabriceMG:

http://pastebin.com/K5AbVwPj

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FabriceMG:

It's my first compile on 64 bit

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dewman:

if I do 6200ch -v -GUIDNUMBER i get read failed for node one. if I try 6200ch -v -g GUIDNUMBER I get a usage screen. Not sure what I should try next

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sphery:

FabriceMG: looks like you have some broken system headers... the C++ locale header, specifically, /usr/include/c++/*/locale . The text inside it seems to be corrupted.

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FabriceMG:

ubuntu 10.10 64Bit, build-essential installed

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sphery:

FabriceMG: can you open that file in a text editor?

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FabriceMG:

which file?

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sphery:

/usr/include/c++/*/locale

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FabriceMG:

the file is good with gedit

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FabriceMG:

http://pastebin.com/w2SytwGs

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FabriceMG:

i have forced PREFIX=/usr/bin in configure

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FabriceMG:

configure -> http://pastebin.com/TYa1hSqy

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FabriceMG:

I try without prefix

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sphery:

FabriceMG: why /usr/bin? you want --prefix=/usr

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sphery:

FabriceMG: do a make distclean

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sphery:

then re-run with ./configure --prefix=/usr

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FabriceMG:

ubuntu is /usr/bin for all executable, no?

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sphery:

and do you really need a debug build? it will disable all optimizations (and give terrible performance)

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sphery:

that's the executable prefix

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: /usr would be the global prefix

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sphery:

but mythtv has non-executables that get installed into $PREFIX/lib, $PREFIX/include, ...

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wagnerrp:

which would then tell mythtv to put stuff in /usr/share, /usr/bin, /usr/lib, etc...

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sphery:

executables will go into $PREFIX/bin

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sphery:

you don't want /usr/bin/lib, /usr/bin/include, /usr/bin/bin, ...

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wagnerrp:

there are command line options for configure that let you set each one of those paths individually

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FabriceMG:

all build in mythbuntu have debug option actived

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wagnerrp:

but they are almost never necessary

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sphery:

FabriceMG: if you're building mythtv to /use/, you should use /only/: ./configure --prefix=/usr --compile-type=release --enable-proc-opt

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im just interested in tracking livetv, to add it as a statistic

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wagnerrp:

to see just how much people watch it

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wagnerrp:

without full historical data (and we currently have none), its pretty much useless

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sphery:

both perl and python bindings are enabled by default (but we don't yet have pyhton bindings :)

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wagnerrp:

no pyhton yet? quick, someone write a new language

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah... we could start to store it, but--personally--I'm not that interested in knowing. It won't affect my priorities (sure, call me a self-centered jerk, but I will continue to work on the things that I care about :)

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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sphery:

others may be more interested

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FabriceMG:

sphery, without prefix option, he compile , thx

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sphery:

without prefix, it will install to /usr/local

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sphery:

which is probably correct, anyway

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wagnerrp:

oldrecorded is only going to store stuff that actually recorded, right?

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sphery:

only records > 10 days old will be either recorded or "never recorded"

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sphery:

"never recorded" meaning that a user created a fake recording entry with "never record"

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sphery:

so recstatus -3 or 11

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sphery:

that said, there's a small chance that there could be additional entries that aren't cleaned up when mythtv crashes, and I'll put a patch in to fix that shortly

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sphery:

i.e. some recstatus 2 entries that were left when mythbackend crashed in the middle of a recording

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ugliefrog:

My second frontend cant see recorded videos and set programs to record but when they are finished it cant see them

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sphery:

ugliefrog: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

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wagnerrp:

ugliefrog: then you set some filter in watch recordings

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** sphery thinks we should clean up the FAQ and make it a bit more useful **

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sphery:

some of those FAQs aren't so FA

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dewman:

is the 6200ch script on the wiki pretty current?

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sphery:

dewman: the most-current known coppy

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sphery:

dewman: wanna become a maintainer for it? :)

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dewman:

sphery, haha....umm...probally not a good idea since I cant even get my firewire working. =)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I need to send an e-mail to the list to see if anyone wants to become an official maintainer for one or more of the (especially non-script, usually firewire) channel changers (or primers)

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sphery:

would be nice to have a real project for them

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FabriceMG:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9074

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sphery:

that could release versions and maintain a repo, with committers who actually use the scripts and know how they work

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FabriceMG:

the other fanart script work again in 0.25?

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sphery:

seems it hasn't been updated

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sphery:

feel free to fix it, then upload it

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sphery:

unless someone does so, it will just sit in trac :)

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: in order for it to work, it must output data in this manner... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format

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dewman:

sphery, have you used the 6200 script?

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sphery:

(hasn't been updated to work with version 0.24+)

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sphery:

dewman: no, I don't do firewire (or cable)

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dewman:

ok..

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, I had a script in 0.22 and 0.23 for MetaData, now there are only Jamu

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dewman:

is the 6200 script the only way to find out the vendor_id and model_id of my cable box? I would open a ticket to get the vendor_id added and model_id added if I could figure it out how to find those ID's

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: no, there is a new extensible metadata format (replacing the old plain text version), and none of those scripts have been updated to support it

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kormoc:

FabriceMG, no, now the grabber is written into myth directly

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wagnerrp:

theres a difference

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wagnerrp:

and yes, jamu will likely be deprecated by 0.25

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wagnerrp:

just as soon as sphery gets this recordedinfo stuff committed

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FabriceMG:

I was asked to update to 0.24 and 0.24. I replied that it was not possible !!!!!

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FabriceMG:

0.24 and 0.25

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: what do you mean its not possible?

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wagnerrp:

its a different output format

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wagnerrp:

you have to output XML instead of colon separated key/value pairs

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FabriceMG:

oki for jamu, I make modification for 0.25 in my script

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: is this an external grabber that inserts stuff directly into the database (like jamu)? or is this a grabber to be run by mythtv (like ttvdb.py or tmdb.py)?

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, jamu is largely deprecated, replaced by functionality built into mythtv

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ugliefrog:

wagnerrp, where is the filter watch recordings at?....the backend or the front end

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wagnerrp:

more of that type will not be accepted in mythtv

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/gy2bMc2c

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wagnerrp:

but youre welcome to paste it to the wiki

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asdfplf:

hi. can someone tell me if its possible to set a custom codec/renderer for a selected channel?

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ugliefrog:

where is the filter watch recordings at?....the backend or the front end

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wagnerrp:

ugliefrog: frontend, when in watch recordings, hit 'm'

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ugliefrog:

ok

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG_afk: if that script outputs data from '-v', '-M', and '-D' in the format specified by http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format , then i see no problem

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . y_choices.3F ... I'm impressed--it doesn't recommend ION garbage. I have a feeling you had a hand in that.

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wagnerrp:

in which case it is not an alternative to jamu, but rather one for tmdb.py

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but its still years old

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sphery:

I'm doing some minor updates, including linking to the mac mini power consumption page and the Tom's 25W PC article

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wagnerrp:

asdfplf: no, renderers are only selected by video resolution, and codec is automatically chosen by the video output code

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sphery:

is mini-itx useful?

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sphery:

it says speeds between 600MHz and 1.6GHz

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sphery:

seems useless

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wagnerrp:

thats because its years old, and probably talking about (useless) VIA systems

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you cant stuff anything smaller than a 3.2GHz dual core in this thing... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135259

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I updated it and removed the mini-itx stuff, but linked choosing frontend hardware.

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sphery:

feel free to add back any mini-itx stuff you like (I just didn't know anything about it, and what was there was no longer useful, so...)

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wagnerrp:

right

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sphery:

wagnerrp: should the US/Netherlands stuff be in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . cable_box.3F ?

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wagnerrp:

actually, bei rdo runs his backend on a mini-itx system

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sphery:

cool, we can find someone to put that info back

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sphery:

just figured the old stuff did more harm than good, implying a 600MHz system was sufficient

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wagnerrp:

2.93GHz quad core, six-drive software RAID, HVR-2250, HDHR, and HDPVR, all in a little cube case

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wagnerrp:

one of these things... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112265

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sphery:

yeah, that would be a good one to recommend

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wagnerrp:

i think hes got an additional mini-pcie controller card for optical and boot drives

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sphery:

wagnerrp: for http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . n_Windows.3F , I assume your python fuse thing wouldn't apply? Should be be recommending boxee and xb mc?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it would apply as much as mythlink.pl

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wagnerrp:

in that you would have to run it in a *nix box, and share it over samba

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sphery:

also, for http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . _Mac_OS_X.3F , we should remove all mention of G5-based macs, right?

[18:29:24]

sphery:

ah, so do you want me to add it to the mythlink.pl line (I just added :)

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wagnerrp:

the G5s only came in powermac tower form, never any laptops

[18:30:03]

wagnerrp:

(maybe they made some all-in-one imacs)

[18:30:26]

sphery:

but, regardless of what they are, we don't support G5-based Mac OS X builds, right?

[18:30:33]

wagnerrp:

chances are anyone who spent the cash for one of their big workstations has moved on and upgraded

[18:30:40]

wagnerrp:

i thought we did

[18:30:51]

wagnerrp:

but theyre rather underperforming for HD needs

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sphery:

stupid search...

[18:31:12]

sphery:

g5 is too short

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wagnerrp:

i think clock-for-clock they do about as well as a P4, at least for ffmpeg software decoding

[18:31:19]

sphery:

/but/ that's what I need to search for

[18:31:51]

sphery:

well, I'm removing reference

[18:32:00]

wagnerrp:

they should do better, but i imagine that architecture doesnt get much hand optimization love

[18:32:04]

sphery:

if nothing else, someone shouldn't go out and buy a g5 system for mythtv

[18:32:31]

wagnerrp:

no more than going out and buying an old P4 server for mythtv

[18:32:45]

wagnerrp:

but hey, people actually still do that

[18:32:46]

wagnerrp:

so....

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sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

but, now, they won't do it on our "recommendation"

[18:33:28]

sphery:

so, fuse thing in mythlink.pl line?

[18:34:09]

wagnerrp:

honestly, im a bit reluctant to recommend mythfs on the wiki

[18:34:25]

wagnerrp:

there are some issues using the python bindings long term

[18:34:34]

wagnerrp:

stuff doesnt reconnect like its supposed to

[18:34:46]

wagnerrp:

and my god that thing sucks memory

[18:34:57]

sphery:

ok, just wanted to offer the choice

[18:35:07]

sphery:

since you would be the one who'd get stuck helping people...

[18:35:16]

sphery:

and I thought you had mentioned some reservations about advertising it

[18:35:57]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . uld_I_use.3F is a bit out of date

[18:36:51]

wagnerrp:

honestly, ive been holding off using it

[18:36:59]

wagnerrp:

until i get a new backend with more memory

[18:37:20]

wagnerrp:

ill suck down a GB of memory streaming a show from a remote backend

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wagnerrp:

which causes other stuff to die in swap

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wagnerrp:

not anything im intentionally doing, i think fuse just sucks up anything and everything it can get its hands on before going to swap

[18:41:04]

wagnerrp:

and as other applications get paged out, it grabs more

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sphery:

yeah, I can see that happening

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sphery:

I've never trusted fuse all that much

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sphery:

let alone "simple scripting interface to fuse" (for python, perl, ...)

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sphery:

I think http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . uld_I_use.3F is much better--and much smarter, now

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wagnerrp:

seems the process im using to get distinct shows is one higher than using 'count(distinct title)' in sql

[18:49:01]

wagnerrp:

because python is case sensitive, and Nova and NOVA are then two different shows

[18:49:21]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if thats anything i should bother fixing

[18:51:42]

wagnerrp:

sphery: any suggestion on how i could get tuner type?

[18:52:05]

wagnerrp:

the basic type is easy, can pull that from the database

[18:52:18]

wagnerrp:

but stuartm is looking for breaking out the types of dvb tuner

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sphery:

no idea how best to do that

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sphery:

I was thinking the same--about how challenging that would be--when the specifics were mentioned

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wagnerrp:

!seen jya

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MythLogBot:

jya was last seen 8 hours 49 minutes 55 seconds ago

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** sphery wonders if he broke the wiki **

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sphery:

can you get to wiki pages?

[18:56:31]

wagnerrp:

works fine for me

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sphery:

I can get to non-wiki pages, but not wikiw

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sphery:

even when I spell it right

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sphery:

ok, working now

[18:57:44]

sphery:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "". MySQL returned error "1205: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (localhost)".

[18:57:48]

sphery:

seems it auto-restarted?

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wagnerrp:

was about to say it was probably a database lock

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sphery:

or the timeout was enough

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sphery:

lost that change, too... glad it was a simple one

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wagnerrp:

sphery: should i just pull the playback profile name? or actually parse out its settings?

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sphery:

profile name is generally meaningless

[19:04:52]

sphery:

I can give you a query that will do a crosstab of playback profile groups

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wagnerrp:

sure

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[19:06:41]

sphery:

http://pastebin.com/BGdzgAAE

[19:06:54]

sphery:

wow, in the pastebin 3.0 upgrade, mythtv.pastebin.org has disappeared

[19:07:07]

sphery:

er, .com ... now just redirects to mythtv.pastebin.com

[19:07:14]

sphery:

er, redirects to pastebin.com

[19:07:24]

wagnerrp:

yeah, noticed that

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** sphery is flabbergasted by the change--obviously **

[19:07:34]

wagnerrp:

thats a big query...

[19:08:01]

sphery:

wagnerrp: that query has limitations--i.e. if the user specifies more than 5 comparisons, we won't see them... but it will give us a very good idea of how it's structured

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qbee:

hello all

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think the UI supported more than five anyway

[19:08:34]

sphery:

wagnerrp: since users can edit the default playback profile groups and can create their own custom ones, just reporting group names won't help

[19:08:36]

wagnerrp:

or does it scroll?

[19:08:44]

sphery:

it adds new ones as you need them

[19:08:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but youre off the screen past five

[19:09:10]

sphery:

yeah, depending on screen size

[19:09:31]

sphery:

but since the editor is borked bad--and has been since we went to qt4, no one really edits anymore (at least not more than a simple one)

[19:10:03]

sphery:

qbee: btw, hello...

[19:10:29]

qbee:

;)

[19:10:59]

sphery:

wagnerrp: you can add a new WHERE in there for a specific profile group name

[19:11:03]

sphery:

should be easy enough

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sphery:

and if reporting it, using \G rather than ; may make sense

[19:11:33]

sphery:

(i.e. flat results, not table)

[19:12:29]

sphery:

wow, I have 86 playback profiles

[19:12:54]

sphery:

in 29 groups

[19:14:50]

sphery:

and seems you'll want a where for the host, too

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you only use \G if running it on the command line

[19:19:34]

sphery:

yeah, didn't know how you were grabbing data

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wagnerrp:

surely you dont think i would be writing this in python and using the command line mysql application

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I just assumed you'd use bash

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Nede:

hi chat!!!!

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Nede:

Hauppauge WinTV-CI found?????????

[19:28:35]

wagnerrp:

eh?

[19:28:45]

Nede:

hi wagnerrp

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Nede:

common interface

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wagnerrp:

are you asking if we know where you can purchase that card?

[19:29:49]

wagnerrp:

looks like thats not a card

[19:29:56]

wagnerrp:

but rather an external card reader

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wagnerrp:

we dont support such solutions

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wagnerrp:

only tuner cards with built in CAMs

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Nede:

one moment...

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Nede:

that you know works with hvr-4000

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt work with any hardware

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wagnerrp:

it only works with software

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judget:

where is the setting that stops the mythfrontend from continously restarting?

[19:32:28]

wagnerrp:

it relies on the software (or the drivers) to route video through that device for decryption

[19:32:34]

wagnerrp:

which mythtv will no do

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sphery:

judget: that's a distro-specific start script doing that

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judget:

im uisng the mythbuntu dist of the frontend v 0.24

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judget:

i thought there had been something in the mythbuntu control panel thingey

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wagnerrp:

then lacking any mythbuntu users listening in here currently, you should try in #ubuntu-mythtv

[19:34:02]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm wondering when syphr42 will get to QUERY_RECORDINGS and "correct" the documentation for Delete

[19:34:15]

Nede:

wagnerrp: I threw the money down the toilet then?

[19:34:30]

sphery:

wagnerrp: odds that it will be before I fix QUERY_RECORDINGS Delete?

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wagnerrp:

Nede: mythtv does not use external card readers

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wagnerrp:

sphery: honestly, ive never used anything but Play

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sphery:

judget: mythbuntu control panel is distro specific, too... you'll need to find a mythbuntu user to help

[19:35:55]

sphery:

I use delete when I looking for recent recordings

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sphery:

when you have 1400 recordings and only need to parse the 10-most-recent, it can be much more efficient

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sphery:

(rather than ignoring 1390, then parsing the ones you want)

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wagnerrp:

out of curiosity, how long would it take you to run 'progs = MythBE().getRecordings()'?

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sphery:

so, I type "python", then ???

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wagnerrp:

mythpython

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sphery:

using MythTV;

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judget:

it is mythtv frontend running on ubuntu 10.4 obtained from the mythbuntu repos ppa

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sphery:

wagnerrp: less than 1s

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wagnerrp:

the mythpython script automatically loads all the relevant modules

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wagnerrp:

well thats not bad at all

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sphery:

yeah, it's just nicer to start where you want to start

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** tgm4883 peaks at backlog **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well then that would be progs[-9:]

[19:40:07]

sphery:

wagnerrp: also, for example, on my status page, I like to list "Shows Recorded Today" from most-recent to least recent, which I can't do with Play, unless I reorder them myself

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sphery:

heh, not in perl bindings

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sphery:

(old script :)

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sphery:

specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_recent_recordings.pl , which doesn't work in 0.24+ because Delete got broken in the programinfo refactor

[19:41:05]

wagnerrp:

doesnt Play order them temporally?

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sphery:

so I had to change it to Play and now everything is backwards

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sphery:

Play is from oldest to newest

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wagnerrp:

right

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sphery:

I want newest to oldest

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wagnerrp:

perl cant just run in reverse?

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sphery:

i.e. I want Delete

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sphery:

you could probably adjust the foreach

[19:42:19]

sphery:

but since our protocol has a documented approach for doing the query with the proper order...

[19:42:52]

sphery:

seems you have to actually use the reverse() function to reverse the order of the array

[19:43:03]

sphery:

copy one array to another

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wagnerrp:

yeah, or run the for loop in reverse

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sphery:

right, but as a for loop, not a foreach

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tgm4883:

judget, it's under startup behavior

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sphery:

tgm4883: thanks... my ignorance prevented me from helping :)

[19:43:55]

wagnerrp:

but since youre just creating a new array of references to mutable objects, it shouldnt take long

[19:44:01]

sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, mythpython is very nice

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sphery:

no, shouldn't

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judget:

startup behavior in the config for the app or the control center?

[19:44:16]

sphery:

but we document a Delete behavio

[19:44:24]

sphery:

I'm assuming it's used in MythTV, too...

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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wagnerrp:

apparently my license expired 4 months ago

[19:47:11]

wagnerrp:

i wonder what would happen if i drove to the DMV to get it renewed

[19:47:15]

judget:

ok in the control center I do not have the checkbox automatically start MythTV frontend but it seems to keep restarting if it crashes

[19:47:20]

tgm4883:

judget, control centre

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judget:

perhaps we are talking about two diff items?

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tgm4883:

it shouldn't restart if it crashes. There is no functionality we have for that

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tgm4883:

in mythbuntu ^

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judget:

ok well is mythbuntu and mythtv different animals?

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tgm4883:

mythbuntu is ubuntu+mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu adds a lot of wrapper scripts and utilities

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wagnerrp:

specifically, the behavior you are seeing where mythfrontend is automatically restarting

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, those are in ubuntu+mythtv as well

[19:49:02]

judget:

i understand that mythbuntu can come on a dvd ffor a complete install

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wagnerrp:

that is something the wrapper script is doing for you

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, and no, we don't have that functionality

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wagnerrp:

that is not mythtv behavior

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, backend only

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tgm4883:

not frontend

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wagnerrp:

judget: how are you starting mythfrontend?

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judget:

ok coz i got the repos update utility from mythbuntu.org/auto-build as had been suggested

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Nede:

wagnerrp: you have to recommend a PCI card + DVB-S/S2 common interface and PCI dvb-t + common interface?

[19:50:22]

Nede:

What works well out of the box in mythtv?

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judget:

i was starting it from the sound and video menu but on this maschine it does not conect to the mysql

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judget:

so it keeps restarting for the config

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tgm4883:

the only thing mythbuntu adds for restarting the frontend is a remote control combination, and even then, you have to enable it

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wagnerrp:

Nede: for mythtv, you need a card with built in slots like this one... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/File:NetUP_ . . . S2_front.jpg

[19:52:42]

judget:

wagnerrp u were right about the tuner thing last nite on my box at home i have a tuner and got that working 2 day thanks

[19:54:01]

judget:

my laptop connects to the server but my desktop cant seem to login to mysql

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judget:

and i did the grant all to mythconverg.* with the mythtv@hostname thing

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I stand corrected... both Play and Delete are broken--they're not returned in time order (close, but not exact)

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sphery:

i.e. mine ends with the 3 within the last 24 hours, preceded by 20 older ones, one within the last 24 hours, then about 30 old ones, one within 24 hours, 50 old ones, one within the last 24 hours

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sphery:

so both Play /and/ Delete need fixing

[20:05:57]

sphery:

I think we're getting "db order", not any real sort

[20:07:02]

sphery:

hard part is that the programinfo refactor changed the function definitions, so now we don't pass whether it's a Play or Delete

[20:07:02]

judget:

anyway im gonna completely uninstall and reinstall the frontend on that machine

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sphery:

so it's not just a matter of adding the order by

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qbee_:

is possible to change the default mythvideo grabber (tmdb.py) to another one in 0.24, i can't find the option as 0.23-fix... (btw i now the old scripts doesnt work, i just ask for the possibility)

[20:21:32]

wagnerrp:

the dialogs were not written, because there were no alternatives

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wagnerrp:

0.25 now has the dialogs, but there are still no alternatives

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wagnerrp:

if you are looking to write one, you can fake it by changing the relevant setting the the database

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judget:

i have one client that cannot login even after a reinstall of the frontend

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judget:

is that a mysql thing?

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[R]:

judget: "login"?

[20:24:19]

wagnerrp:

is it possible your mysql server simply isnt configured to allow network logins?

[20:24:44]

judget:

the frontend has the correct pw and database name ip and all but cannot login to the backend

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judget:

well i currently now have another client loggged in

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wagnerrp:

log into the backend? or log into the database?

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wagnerrp:

those are two separate things

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judget:

i belieeve it is not getting into the db it has to do that first right?

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judget:

reight and the setup screen keeps coming back to the mysql settings

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[R]:

don't "belive" anything

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[R]:

just show us the log

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wagnerrp:

correct, it must access the database to figure out where the backend is

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judget:

so I think it is not getting past the mysql login

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qbee_:

ok, thank you wagnerrp

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judget:

which log would u like to see speciofically?

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wagnerrp:

frontend, of the one that cannot connect

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wagnerrp:

qbee_: note that if you intend to write one, it must comply with the new XML metadata format

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qbee_:

i now, i just read the wiki last night, thank you, i should leave now, c u all

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judget:

nvm i fixed it with the mysql grant all on mythconverg .....

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sphery:

wow, Sony got the subpoena to get the list of all visitors to George Hotz website over the last 26 months... wonder if I ever clicked through there when reading an article about it (and got a subpoena to get all of George Hotz info from Google and Twitter... gotta love the whole "trust the cloud" concept)

[20:43:48]

Dillweed:

i'm trying to get fluxbox to autostart mythwelcome, but so far I'm missing something in one of the config files. do i place the mythwelcome in the startup config file or apps file? that is if anyone is using fluxbox as the window manager

[20:44:01]

judget:

anyone get the occasiuonal burst of white noise in the audio Im using pulse on video PB

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sphery:

Dillweed: ./fluxbox/startup

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[R]:

judget: no sane person uses pulse

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Dillweed:

ok thanks. I just had to do some more reading, because it looks like I got it to work.

[20:49:13]

Dillweed:

what does most people use for audio?

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[R]:

Dillweed: a sound card?

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sphery:

direct ALSA (i.e. ALSA without the pulse plugin for alsa and without the pulse audio server)

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wagnerrp:

Dillweed: pulseaudio is just a soundserver

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wagnerrp:

a middle layer between the applications, and the hardware interface (ALSA)

[20:51:33]

wagnerrp:

it does not have any hardware support of its own

[20:52:16]

wagnerrp:

there are very few people who need more capability than ALSA and DMIX already provide

[20:53:15]

sphery:

more capability, such as extreme audio latency affecting audio/video sync, forcing users to only use 2-channel audio, ...

[20:53:18]

wagnerrp:

pulseaudio was forced on us for that less than a percent that actually need to redirect in-flight audio without application consent, and redirect audio to a remote machine

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sphery:

all those wonderful capabilities that pulse audio provides

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wagnerrp:

and that less than a percent could have already been using the half a dozen other sound servers that are already capable of such actions

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sphery:

or could have easily installed Pulse Audio themselves

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wagnerrp:

including JACK, which is specifically designed for low latency multimedia purposes

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sphery:

+1 for JACK... if doing advanced audio, do it right

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wagnerrp:

Dillweed: dont be mistaken that pulseaudio actually brings any new capability to the table

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wagnerrp:

someone just had an itch to make a sound server, and for whatever reasons, they didnt like any of the existing offerings, so they wrote their own new one from scratch

[20:57:07]

wagnerrp:

now theres nothing wrong with that

[20:57:27]

wagnerrp:

except that it has some serious deficiencies, and the major distros are touting it as the best thing since sliced bread

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Dillweed:

lol, k thanks for the information

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Dillweed:

[R] i'm using something onboard.

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[R]:

Dillweed: s/card/device/

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Dillweed:

ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device

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Dillweed:

i'm using alsa, but i was just wondering if there was something else or something better

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[R]:

are you hyaving sound problems?

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wagnerrp:

Dillweed: ALSA and OSS are the only two systems with any significant hardware support

[21:01:49]

wagnerrp:

anything else either wont work, or will be a sound server layered on top of one of those two systems

[21:03:46]

Dillweed:

no sound problems, just trying to keep my outdate hardware working as long as possible. with each update the resource usage gets higher.

[21:04:05]

[R]:

well if you're not having problems

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[R]:

the nwh do yo uthink you need "somethign better"

[21:04:42]

Dillweed:

just wondering if something uses less resources.

[21:05:13]

wagnerrp:

right, as mentioned, anything else will just be layered on top and consume additional resources

[21:05:37]

[R]:

so you are having problems?

[21:05:57]

Nede:

wagnerrp: this common interface for technotrend t-1500 and TT-budget S2–3200 is compatible for mythtv?

[21:06:30]

Nede:

http://www.tt-pc.com/2720/TT-budget_CI.html

[21:06:53]

wagnerrp:

Nede: mythtv supports common interface when using cards with integrated CAM slots

[21:07:16]

Dillweed:

no not really, but it takes forever to get into mythtv interface.

[21:07:19]

wagnerrp:

mythtv just has to tell the card to provide unencrypted video, and all decryption is handled internally within the card, before mythtv ever touches it

[21:07:30]

[R]:

Dillweed: what does myth load time have to do with audio?

[21:07:33]

wagnerrp:

Dillweed: how much memory do you have?

[21:07:42]

Dillweed:

i was using xfce as my window environment, but i have changed to fluxbox.

[21:08:06]

Dillweed:

load time with audio nothing, but if it saves on resources down the road then i'm going to change.

[21:08:17]

sphery:

heh, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/04/doj_i . . . _vp8_attack/ ... why fix our broken patent system, when you can just sue people who are trying to enforce their patents under the antitrust act

[21:08:18]

Nede:

ah!!!! Bad!!!!!!!

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[R]:

Dillweed: getting a new computer will "save on resources"

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wagnerrp:

Nede: bad?

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Dillweed:

lol, you need to convince my wife.

[21:08:57]

[R]:

well it sounds like theres nothing wrong...

[21:09:14]

sphery:

IMHO, it's not bad that MythTV doesn't support theft of content or theft of service

[21:10:50]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well hes actually wanting to use one of the hauppauge USB CAMs

[21:10:59]

judget:

who said I was ane?

[21:11:00]

wagnerrp:

which sadly is a legitimate use caught in the crossfire

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Nede:

wagnerrp: so I can only put cards like the one I've indicated

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judget:

who said I was sane?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: or, legitimate on Windows? :)

[21:12:51]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not provide psychological services to the clinically insane

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sphery:

ok, reading about DoJ's investigation into the MPEG-LA patent pool for WebM just proves how broken our patent system is... When even the DoJ doesn't have a clue how it works, something needs fixing.

[21:13:24]

Dillweed:

now if I can just get the fluxbox border on the bottom to disappear

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judget:

ok i changed it back to alsa an it works

[21:14:06]

judget:

but i am still not sane

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sphery:

Dillweed: set toolbar onTop to false

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Dillweed:

sphery: where do I put that?

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sphery:

Dillweed: or, looks like Maximize over should be enabled

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** wagnerrp thinks sphery uses fluxbox for his window manager **

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sphery:

changing terms since I started using it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, how did you guess?

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sphery:

Dillweed: in the configuration menu (generally right-click, Fluxbox, Configuration), find Toolbar, then Maximize Over and enable it

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Dillweed:

ok, however I'm sshing into the box and changing the config files. there actually isn't a mouse connected to the computer

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sphery:

session.screen0.toolbar.maxOver

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Dillweed:

would this work session.screen0.toolbar.visible:

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Dillweed:

to false?

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sphery:

that wuold also work

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sphery:

but then you'll not have a toolbar

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sphery:

you may also need to set slit.onTop to false

[21:22:26]

sphery:

er, maxOver

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sphery:

keep forgetting they changed it

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Dillweed:

yea i'm not too concerned about not having a toolbar. just tested it and it works :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: how do you think freespace should be handled?

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wagnerrp:

should every machine on the system return the same?

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wagnerrp:

or should each machine be responsible for its own local storage?

[21:51:07]

wagnerrp:

or should the master handle all storage?

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sphery:

handled where? for the smolt thing?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

im thinking the master backend be the only one that returns storage information

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sphery:

how does QUERY_FREE_SPACE work?

[21:52:16]

wagnerrp:

so theres no conflicts where backends have access to the same storage

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sphery:

well, I know some users (me) don't use network file systems

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sphery:

so it may seem unusual to see the same directory names showing different storage available

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wagnerrp:

yeah, none of my stuff is shared over NFS either

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sphery:

unless you specify hostnames with it, too

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sphery:

I have code in the backend status page that shows total free space (and we use the encoderlink code to get per-filesystem free space)

[21:54:37]

sphery:

if we just need total space, I could move the stuff from backend status to a lib and we could use that?

[21:55:02]

sphery:

I need to move it to a lib, anyway, since we should be using the same code for the frontend's status screen

[21:55:09]

sphery:

system status

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sphery:

not sure exactly what info you (they?) are looking for or for what purpose

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sphery:

so not sure how best to get it

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seagullarity:

can someone take a look at my log file? http://pastebin.com/fbrXBPRq

[21:57:08]

seagullarity:

I'm having trouble connecting to the sql server

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sphery:

seagullarity: you need to run mythtv-setup and define capture cards

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jams:

wagnerrp- filesystem info is already being sent back with each macihne

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jams:

that includes used/free/total

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sphery:

after that, if a properly-configured mythbackend still has mysql issues, then we can look again :)

[21:58:28]

seagullarity:

sphery, it's not detecting my capture cards *because* of this problem

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seagullarity:

should never have to manually add a card

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sphery:

seagullarity: there are no errors before MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database. Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions?

[21:59:17]

sphery:

seagullarity: ummmm, yeah, mythtv-setup requires you to manually add cards

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sphery:

as autodetecting the card /and/ configuration and service information is impossible

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wagnerrp:

jams: yeah, but im looking for filesystems mythtv is allowed to use for storage

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seagullarity:

okay

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seagullarity:

I guess I mis-read the mythtv documentation in that case :p

[22:02:42]

wagnerrp:

like, free and total available for recording, free and total available for mythvideo

[22:02:57]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt be storing hostnames or mount points

[22:03:06]

wagnerrp:

since those would likely have identifying names in them

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wagnerrp:

and this is supposed to be anonymous

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jams:

yes no hostnames

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jams:

i see. I would only report back on machines that have tuners

[22:04:15]

wagnerrp:

right

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jams:

if names overlap so be it

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jams:

FS not names

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sphery:

wagnerrp: also, you aren't just assuming that if there's no entry in storagegroups for a host that it has no storage, right?

[22:04:59]

wagnerrp:

i guess were not really doing full system information at this point, just individual machines

[22:05:14]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no, i would fall through to the master storage group definitions

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wagnerrp:

for recordings anyway

[22:06:12]

wagnerrp:

and only include storage groups that are either livetv, default, or included in an existing recording or record rule

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sphery:

ah, cool

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wagnerrp:

jams: ive moved all of the Host() data into separate files that handle their own gating, and get loaded into a common dictionary, prefixed by their section

[22:12:44]

wagnerrp:

so the data items as they exist in my local version are now... http://pastebin.com/Jspzucft

[22:15:45]

jams:

nice

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jams:

thats alot of stuff

[22:16:24]

wagnerrp:

that mythtv_uuid is the one you wanted, a global value stored in the database for all machines using that database to return

[22:16:55]

wagnerrp:

anyway, the consequence of doing it in this modular fashion is that all the existing variable names will change

[22:17:04]

wagnerrp:

i dont know how difficult it would be in the server to manage that

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jams:

i don't foresee it being to much of a problem

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wagnerrp:

the other problem is it breaks all the existing translations

[22:22:48]

jams:

on the server side it gets converted back to a dict, and then we pull out the items we want. host_data["mem_ram"]

[22:22:57]

jams:

yes now that could be a bit of a problem

[22:23:35]

wagnerrp:

that output is from the 'view' option in scanProfile.py, and for now, just outputted directly from the dict keys

[22:23:53]

jams:

figured

[22:24:18]

wagnerrp:

now the translation tool could be used as the mechanism to translate it back to a user-readable format for all languages

[22:25:16]

jams:

whats this mythtv_expiretime ?

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jams:

and upcomingtime

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wagnerrp:

amount of recordings marked as capable of autoexpire

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jams:

ah

[22:25:45]

wagnerrp:

and total time of upcoming recordings

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wagnerrp:

so all but 8hrs of my recordings are marked as auto-expireable

[22:26:32]

wagnerrp:

and ive got 16hrs of upcoming recordings in the next two week

[22:26:33]

wagnerrp:

s

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jams:

with audio , is someone is useing /dev/dsp are we considering that to be OSS?

[22:26:55]

wagnerrp:

honestly, i need to talk to jya about what all he wants in there

[22:26:59]

wagnerrp:

but hes offline currently

[22:27:00]

jams:

k

[22:27:01]

wagnerrp:

!seen jya

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MythLogBot:

jya was last seen 12 hours 22 minutes 55 seconds ago

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jams:

i care less about the card and more about the subsystem

[22:27:28]

wagnerrp:

that value is just directly what comes out of the database

[22:27:30]

jams:

but i'm sure jya wants more

[22:27:31]

jams:

right

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jams:

really from that vaule you could determine what subsystem is used. but it would be a 100% type of thing

[22:28:30]

jams:

this is good stuff

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wagnerrp:

well the script should be doing that internally

[22:28:54]

wagnerrp:

maybe audiosubsystem, audiodevice, audio....

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jams:

right

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jams:

tzoffset of -18000 ?

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wagnerrp:

-18000/3600 = -5hrs

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jams:

ah

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jams:

hehe makes sense

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wagnerrp:

the other times are all datetime.timedelta objects, and however python decides to output those as strings

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wagnerrp:

if easier, i could convert everything to seconds

[22:34:09]

wagnerrp:

although it doesnt do negative times well

[22:34:24]

wagnerrp:

it would be '-1 day, 19:00:00'

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jams:

with timezone offsets i have only seen them expressed in hours.

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Nede:

wagnerrp: mythtv site (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards) says that the CI is supported on TechnoTrend TT-1500 and S2–3200, with the help of the additional module connected with the cable card (TT budget_CI-http://www.tt-pc.com/2720/TT-budget_CI.html). I can confirm what I said?

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wagnerrp:

jams: there are a couple time zones offset by half an hour

[22:35:22]

jams:

did not know that

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wagnerrp:

Nede: those cards have integrated CAMs, attached through a ribbon cable to a daughter card

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wagnerrp:

whether the CAM is located on the same board, or on a daughter card, makes no difference, so long as the card provides unencrypted video to mythtv directly

[22:37:20]

jams:

i see you also have a motherboard made by "System manufacturer"

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wagnerrp:

jams: yeah, i think just about anyone who hasnt purchased a full system from an OEM is going to have that

[22:38:03]

wagnerrp:

seems im supposed to have burned my own ROM with that data

[22:38:14]

jams:

it's pretty common

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jams:

that and "to be filled in by oem"

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Nede:

wagnerrp: ok, so it might work

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Nede:

wagnerrp: one more question, but the S2–3200 I have ever seen on the site that does mythtv DVB-S ...., possible?

[22:42:17]

wagnerrp:

jams: looks like some areas of new zealand are +13:45

[22:42:30]

wagnerrp:

Nede: the list on the mythtv site is not comprehensive

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, the semi-official list is maintained on the linuxtv wiki

[22:43:06]

wagnerrp:

and the official list is the product/device id lists in the drivers themselves

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Nede:

ok!!!!

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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Nede:

THANK YOU!!!!!!

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wagnerrp:

venezuela (and soon to be columbia) operate at -4:30

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wagnerrp:

newfoundland is -3:30

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wagnerrp:

jams: yeah, i dont see anything needing finer granularity than a quarter hour

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jams:

it's amazing they have 1/4 hour

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Newbuntu81-2:

In linux, is there a way to show all tv devices by port? example: video 0=/dev/video0, video1=/dev/video1

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wagnerrp:

not really sure what youre asking

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wagnerrp:

cant you just look at /dev, and see whats in there?

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petethepirate:

To play a iso file, you have to remove storage groups. I did this in a virtual machine, and that stopped mythweb from working. What do you have to do to get it to play isos, and keep mythweb working?

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wagnerrp:

ISOs work just fine in storage groups

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wagnerrp:

and mythweb really doesnt handle mythvideo content properly, storage groups or not

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Dillweed:

are there any cablecard available for linux?

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wagnerrp:

the HDHomeRun Prime has worked in MythTV for about 10 months no

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wagnerrp:

w

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Dillweed:

i mean are there any cablecard tuners with linux drivers?

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wagnerrp:

technically, both cablecard tuners that are going to be on the open market are network attached

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wagnerrp:

and as such cannot have drivers

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Dillweed:

maybe I'm misunderstanding, but looking at this site here http://www.gearlog.com/2009/09/hauppauge_to_s . . . card_tu.php, it seems to me that cards are available, but there aren't drivers or built in kernel support?

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wagnerrp:

ive not heard of any cablecard tuners from hauppauge, avermedia, or dvico

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wagnerrp:

the only ones i know of are the one from ceton (which has a several month backlog of orders) and the one from silicondust (which is ready to go but waiting licensing from cable labs)

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wagnerrp:

both of which are network-attached-tuners

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wagnerrp:

and i would assume any of these other cablecard tuners would follow suit with the same design

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wagnerrp:

the Ceton cablecard tuner is actually a network card

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wagnerrp:

it has an internal private network, with an embedded linux device at the opposite end

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wagnerrp:

the embedded linux system actually captures video, and manages access to it

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wagnerrp:

its done this way as a mechanism to prevent DMA probes from attempting to break the conditional access system

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Dillweed:

does that mean they won't ever work regular home built pvr computers?

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[R]:

we are watching super size me

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[R]:

(after just eating burger king)... haha

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petethepirate:

When I try to play an iso running the frontend from a console, I get iso Unable to find image file: mv_browse_nocover_large.png, and another error that says it's trying to play a dvd. I put a dvd in, and it played fine. Tried to play it again and same thing, but the dvd (i put it in since it tried the dvd after the iso) light never came on. The iso I am trying to play is on the hard drive. What's causing it to do this?

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petethepirate:

http://pastebin.com/RQtCRrgg

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[R]:

what version of myth, where is the iso, how are you playign it

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sphery:

petethepirate: mythfrontend isn't meant to be used as a one-off playback app... what exactly are you using for the command-line?

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petethepirate:

[R]: .24, /var/lib/mythtv/videos, and trying to play it through media library -> watch videos -> iso file

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[R]:

so you're not using storage groups...

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petethepirate:

sphery: to get information. I'm not finding anything useful /var/log/*

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[R]:

right?

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petethepirate:

[R]: I'm not sure what those are.

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sphery:

petethepirate: so "When I try to play an iso running the frontend from a console" just means that you're running mythfrontend normally, but watching in the console to get errors

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[R]:

its a setting in mythtv-setup... so if you dknt know what storage groups are... sounds like you didnt properly set up myth

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petethepirate:

[R]: googled it, all videos are in /var/lib/mythtv/videos live tv/recordings are in a different path.

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[R]:

petethepirate: thats not what i asked

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petethepirate:

[R]: let me go through the setup and see what I have.

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petethepirate:

[R]: I can't shut the back end down for 15 minutes. Looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups I'm sure I'm not using them. It's a front/back end system. Am I misunderstanding your question?

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[R]:

who said you needed to shtudown the backend?

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petethepirate:

[R]: that page says it's in mythtv-setup, that shuts down the backend when I run it.

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[R]:

mythtv-setup doesnt shutdown the backend...

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[R]:

it might prompt you to... but thats about it

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petethepirate:

[R]: when I run it I get a dialogue box that tells me it's going to shut it down, I get ok/cancel.

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[R]:

thats not mythtv doing that...

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[R]:

well the only way i can think of that you would get an error like that

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[R]:

is ifr you were trying to play iso through storage group

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[R]:

play an encrypted iso*

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petethepirate:

[R]: just tried it again, it said it would stop the back end, I got a yes/no prompt.

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[R]:

well like i said

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[R]:

thats not myth doing that

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petethepirate:

[R]: its not encrypted, it's a file.

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[R]:

petethepirate: lol

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[R]:

that doestn preclude it from being encrypted

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petethepirate:

[R]: it plays on my desktop fine. This happens with all isos, even ripped isos.

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[R]:

huh?

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petethepirate:

The isos, they play on my desktop computer. This problem happens with all iso files.

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[R]:

they play fine... tehy dont play fine... you're being confusing

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petethepirate:

They play on the desktop computer, not on the mythtv.

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[R]:

and?

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petethepirate:

If it's encrypted it wouldn't play on the desktop.

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[R]:

i suggest you read the mythvideo documentation on the wiki

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[R]:

petethepirate: how did you arrive at that conclusion?

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petethepirate:

[R]: to play it on the desktop I would have to decrypt it.

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[R]:

no...

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[R]:

dvd decryptino happens automatically

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petethepirate:

I don't have libcss.

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[R]:

ok, then i guess its not encrypted

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s1n:

i can't seem to find anything that describes how to do this:

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s1n:

i want to have 1 machine that is responsible for the encoding only (no database), both the frontend and this encoding machine/farm can access files via nfs

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[R]:

s1n: encoding what?

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s1n:

video off firewire stb

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sphery:

s1n: we don't currently support tunerless backend machines, and we currently require the scheduling and data access to occur in the master backend

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sphery:

s1n: we do plan to break up mythbackend, eventually, but it won't be available in release form until at the soonest 0.25

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s1n:

the frontend can have the database and firewire stb, but it'll be underpowered compared to an alternative machine on the network

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sphery:

(currently not done in development leading toward 0.25)

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[R]:

s1n: you're not encoding anything with firewire...

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