Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 4th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

*instant

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Beirdo:

0.00s, scheduled 0 recordings.

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: looks like SHOW ENGINES will list which one is default

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wagnerrp:

would you want that? or specifically the engine used for the settings table?

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kormoc:

I'd like to know what the settings table is using

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kormoc:

cause the default engine could change, but the in use engine won't

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wagnerrp:

apparently i can only store 281 petabytes in my settings table

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wagnerrp:

whats this 'version' value?

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wagnerrp:

anything important?

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kormoc:

nah. Just the version of the .frm file

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do you think Jay will be able to create his multiviewer for less than the $5–8K he said commercial solutions start at?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: sure, a couple CCTV cards, and a $50 graphics card

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wagnerrp:

plus $10k to pay an opengl programmer to write your viewer for you

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wagnerrp:

whoops, forgot about that part

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

and his latest messages are saying, "But yes, I'll need *much* better resolution than 320x240; I'll be focusing cameras through this thing."

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont get that part

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sphery:

guess he doesn't have CSI software for image enhancement

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kormoc:

640x480 is too big... 320x240 is way too small...

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kormoc:

and he has to fit 16 of them into 1920x1080

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kormoc:

or without chrome, 480x270 per feed

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wagnerrp:

why wouldnt the camera operators be focusing them?

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sphery:

he was talking about moving them around on screen

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sphery:

so I think he wants them all separate

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kormoc:

sphery, he wants them all displayed at the same time

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sphery:

or at least combind the "low res" ones and have a high-res pull out?

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

Hmmm... OK, maybe I misunderstood his "various places" in: "I'm planning to take between 8 and 16 640x480-grabbed NTSC signals, and scale *all of them* down to smaller pixel counts, and then position them in various places on one (or 2) 1920x1080 HD-VGA outputs (which will then go HDMI to a monitor)."

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wagnerrp:

livetv will be in the LiveTV recgroup, right?

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kormoc:

Aye

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ptriller:

Hi, any Idea what I should change in my config if I get picture hangs and 20 "Waited 100ms for video buffers" in the log withing 1 second

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kormoc:

ptriller, scan your audio devices

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mycosys:

wagnerrp – sounds like zoneminder?

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mycosys:

why would he re-invent the wheel

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kormoc:

zoneminder doesn't do full video feeds

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: hes talking about setting up some form of video wall for a low budget TV station

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wagnerrp:

completely different from what zoneminder does

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ptriller:

ok, I scanned and chose ALSA:hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 ... still the same

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mycosys:

k didnt see whole convo

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** sphery thinks he needs to get AMD to sponsor an EyeFinity display/project for him **

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: there wasnt one, its a mailing list thread

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sphery:

/especially/ if he wants to stay under $8K of his own money

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mycosys:

ahh

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mycosys:

how many displays?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: get a GSoC intern to do it

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kormoc:

8–16 feeds into 1 or 2 displays

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mycosys:

matrox hardware could give him 12 for a lot less than 8k iirc

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sphery:

mycosys: see my above comment quoting him at 19:14:31

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sphery:

mycosys: the hardware isn't the problem

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sphery:

it's the software

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: no matrox hardware will give you 12 high resolution displays with full motion video

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wagnerrp:

heck, i doubt any single computer would have that kind of throughput

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mycosys:

if you use a 4 output card and then tack on the triplehead2go?

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mycosys:

or SLI form dual nvidias

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mycosys:

*from

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wagnerrp:

just not enough bandwidth there on the bus

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kormoc:

MythLogBot, there's no reason to

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kormoc:

mycosys, he wants to go to one display

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wagnerrp:

considering everything youre outputting, you need to input as well

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kormoc:

or two

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mycosys:

what time is that gmt sphery?

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wagnerrp:

00:14:31

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kormoc:

no need to get more then out video out ports if you're only using two video outputs...

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sphery:

mycosys: it was 9 minutes ago

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mycosys:

oh -when u said video wall i thought it was the traditional matrix of lcds

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wagnerrp:

well i really meant one 1080p display on a wall

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mycosys:

only way i can see that doable would be using gpgpu

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mycosys:

probably across multiple machines

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wagnerrp:

well it wouldnt be gpgpu, it would just be opengl

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wagnerrp:

its dealing with scaling and coloring graphics

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sphery:

AMD EyeFinity!

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kormoc:

it's not hard at all

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wagnerrp:

exactly what the thing is designed for

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sphery:

:)

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kormoc:

just hasn't been done

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kormoc:

(that we know of)

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mycosys:

16 scales in realtime on one cpu might be.............

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kormoc:

not at all

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sphery:

I still think that by the time he buys an expensive multi-core Intel CPU + nice video card, plus other supporting equipment, he'll be way over $5–8K

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kormoc:

you can capture at the resolution you are outputting, and even if you didn't, GPU's are designed around that sorta thing

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kormoc:

scaling 16 opengl textures is ungodly fast

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mycosys:

fair 1

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sphery:

and since he's saying "if I could get $5–8K from the boss...", I'm thinking he'll need to be /way/ under

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mycosys:

hmmmm

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kormoc:

hardware shouldn't be more then 2k I'd think

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kormoc:

it's the software cost that will sink him

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wagnerrp:

but software is free

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kormoc:

oh right, i forgot

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kormoc:

I keep imagining I get paychecks for development work. I need to increase my meds

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mycosys:

if the bandwidth isnt an issue, a cheap an nasty kludge might be to have 8–12 mplayer or similar framelss outputting to a powerful gpu via compositing engine

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kormoc:

only 1 xv window at a time

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: correct, it would have to be opengl compositing

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wagnerrp:

Xv wouldnt work

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mycosys:

1366 has masses of BW and is cheap now

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mycosys:

esp if you manually set 6.4GT QPI

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wagnerrp:

for 16 SD inputs and a single HD output, just about anything would do

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mycosys:

havent done the bw calc lol

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sphery:

kormoc: even decoding 16 SDTV MPEG-2 streams concurrently?

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wagnerrp:

i was saying no system would have enough bandwidth to fill a 12-HD-display wall with video

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kormoc:

sphery, he's talking bt cards, it's a frame grabber

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kormoc:

sphery, so it's really just a memcpy

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sphery:

oh, so not actually recording anything

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kormoc:

right

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

so he just needs the bandwidth to push data from the 16 capture cards?

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kormoc:

Aye

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mycosys:

quick maths would seem only to be 2.2GT/s

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sphery:

and a nice opengl display program

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kormoc:

aye

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mycosys:

bidirctional would still be under 4.8 of qpi

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kormoc:

ugh... talk real numbers and not marketing numbers

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mycosys:

gbit better?

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kormoc:

yes

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mycosys:

6.4gbit of xeon qbi would do that without freakin

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mycosys:

irrelevant as it isnt what he wants to do, but... lol

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mycosys:

so why wouldnt just running 12 instances of mplayer under compiz be sufficient to do what he wants?

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kormoc:

of xeon Quark Biotech, Inc?

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kormoc:

uhh

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mycosys:

lol qpi

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kormoc:

no need to use compiz, just set them to be opengl

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mycosys:

isnt compositing required?

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kormoc:

so 6.4 gb/s over QuickPath Interconnect vs 6.4 gb/s over non quickpath eh?

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kormoc:

and he I assumed that the whole point of raw numbers was to remove the marketing

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mycosys:

huh???

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kormoc:

mycosys, no

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kormoc:

mycosys, QPI is purely a marketing term. It doesn't change anything

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mycosys:

it is a bus actually

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kormoc:

mycosys, 6.4 gb/sec is 6.4 gb/sec no matter if it's QPI or not QPI

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mycosys:

yeah – but no other processor bus on x86 has that kind of bandwidth

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kormoc:

uhh

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: the magnycours stuff has more bandwidth

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mycosys:

6.4GB/s, not Gb/s

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kormoc:

you said gbit...

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kormoc:

and now you're caliming gigabyte?

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mycosys:

gah

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mycosys:

i said wrong

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kormoc:

and besides ddr3 tripple channel 192 bit ram is 422.4 gbit/52.8 gbyte

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kormoc:

Hypertransport 3.1 is 409.6/51.2 vs QPI of 204.8/25.6

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mycosys:

good god how did i miss that

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mycosys:

mind boggling

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sphery:

kormoc: can you think of any good reason for powerpriority.priorityname to be utf8_bin versus utf8_general_ci?

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kormoc:

nope

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mycosys:

and hypertransport isnt limited to the length of a processor interconnect

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kormoc:

hypertransport and QPI are practically the same

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sphery:

kormoc: or, for that matter, keyword.phrase, recgrouppassword.recgroup, oldprogram.oldtitle, people.name, or storagegroup.dirname?

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wagnerrp:

and pci-express, and sata, and infiniband

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wagnerrp:

theyre all very high frequency serial interconnects, with error correction

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kormoc:

sphery, my understanding is there should be no reason to use bin over general

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kormoc:

sphery, unless it's actually binary data

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sphery:

kormoc: you could make the argument that a dirname is case-sensitive, but that's dependent on file systems, and I don't see a problem with just saying we don't support dirs having the same name, but different capitalization within the same storage group

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sphery:

cool... we're just using it because we had some failing db upgrades back in the utf8 conversion because of bad data management before hand.

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sphery:

I'll just do up a DB update to consolidate dups, re-key foreign references, and convert to utf8_general_ci

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mycosys:

for some reason i was under the (apparent) missaprehension that ht could be used between machines like infiniband, and qpi had issues with it

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mycosys:

in a cluster computing context

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wagnerrp:

sort of

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kormoc:

sphery, we were ci before the conversion, no?

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wagnerrp:

hypertransport was designed as a general purpose interconnect

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wagnerrp:

and you can get add-on chips that connect to a socket using HT, and there are some boards which have a HT slot for cards

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wagnerrp:

but they are very rare

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sphery:

kormoc: yes, but since we stored utf8 in columns that mysql treated as latin1, it didn't know when we had certain dups

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mycosys:

i have to say you guys are extremely mentally stimulating

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sphery:

kormoc: i.e. wasn't case-sensitive for non-latin characters

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sphery:

er, wasn't case insensitive

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kormoc:

ahh, I see

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mycosys:

i kinda love being wrong around you – get to learn

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wagnerrp:

crap... headphone cable finally gave out

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mycosys:

time for the portasol wagnerrp lol

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wagnerrp:

portasol?

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mycosys:

gas powered soldering iron

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kormoc:

meh

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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kormoc:

time for new headphones

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mycosys:

fix it lol

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wagnerrp:

ive got a spare

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ptriller:

Gah, now the log switches from "waitinng for video" to "video is ahead of audio" ....

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mycosys:

kk

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sphery:

sounds like you need to keep your video on a tighter leash

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wagnerrp:

although im moving my speaker control unit so the headphone jack is at a better angle

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sphery:

wow, no Big Bang Theory, Community, or 30 Rock tonight, and no Fringe tomorrow...

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sphery:

bad week for TV

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kormoc:

All three of those shows are good

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mycosys:

?

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mycosys:

4 maybe?

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kormoc:

No idea about Fringe

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mycosys:

kk

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sphery:

Fringe is good

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mycosys:

didnt do it for me

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mycosys:

better than 30rock tho

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mycosys:

other too kick butt

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mycosys:

*two

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kormoc:

dude... 30 rock is awesome

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mycosys:

wtf is wrong with the part of my brain that spells atm

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kormoc:

Snarf!

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wagnerrp:

bah, autoexpire isnt included in ProgramInfo

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mycosys:

have to give it another try lol

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Shadow__X:

sphery: whats in its place

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sphery:

just all reruns it seems

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sphery:

The Office marathon on NBC

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kormoc:

well, that makes sense

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kormoc:

no more Steve on the office after the next episode?

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sphery:

rerun of TBBT, and 42nd NAACP Image Awards instead of Fringe

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah... it won't be the same without him--and they /better/ not put Packer in his place

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wagnerrp:

bah... more awards shows

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wagnerrp:

packer?

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sphery:

I want Michael and Holly to go off and get married, and don't know who should take over the office

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kormoc:

ugh... fastest way to kill that show would be to bring packar back

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Shadow__X:

sphery: if they put packer in his place That would probably end it for me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: he's Michael's "friend" that Michael just realized was a terrible person last week

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wagnerrp:

who is packer?

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kormoc:

sphery, I could see a season with jim in charge, just to wrap up loose ends

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

i havent been watching it the past few months

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: he has shown up in earlier seasons

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, he would make a pretty good boss--which is why I can't see them doing that

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sphery:

though the whole Dwight v Jim thing /could/ maybe carry them through the season?

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wagnerrp:

is packer the bald SNL guy?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

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kormoc:

sphery, tis what I was thinking. Wrap up the erin angle, dwight goes super insane...

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sphery:

yeah, the erin angle has been very upsetting

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wagnerrp:

less upsetting than the myspace angle

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sphery:

I mean whats-his-name is OK, but shouldn't be dating erin

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kormoc:

yeah

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Twiggy2cents:

can you set recording schedules on the mobile mythweb?

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Twiggy2cents:

uhh ohh I killed my mythweb. I set the template to ipod and even after hitting reset template, it only resets the main page and not the rest

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Twiggy2cents:

I did it for just that session though

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: likely browser cache?

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sphery:

try a full refresh of browser

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Twiggy2cents:

Nope

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Twiggy2cents:

It does it on my phone when I set my user agent to pc

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Twiggy2cents:

I restart apache2 on the server and then tried restarting the whole computer

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Twiggy2cents:

Any ideas? Its like a chroot jail except there isnt a way to break out that I found

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Twiggy2cents:

When I reset the template, it goes to the main template and if I go to anything else I get a webpage not found error with ipod in the location its looking

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sphery:

how are you resetting?

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sphery:

?RESET_TMPL=true

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Twiggy2cents:

?RESET_SKIN&RESET_TMPL

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Twiggy2cents:

yours reset it to my original skin but it still is looking in ipod directories for the pages

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kormoc:

what version?

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Twiggy2cents:

current mythbuntu package

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wagnerrp:

sphery, kormoc: stats so far... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/44As1VwD

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, which is meaningless to most of us?

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Twiggy2cents:

lol I kinda figured. How do I check?

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** wagnerrp expects a snide comment from sphery about having a puny 1TB of recordings **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the link isn't loading

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** kormoc blames .ca **

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wagnerrp:

bah...

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/44As1VwD

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Twiggy2cents:

2:0.24.0+fixes.20110227.f169dd9–0ubuntu0mythbuntu1

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wagnerrp:

force of habit to put it in there

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kormoc:

sweet

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kormoc:

I'm not sure I like this 'The Cape' show

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kormoc:

it's kinda random

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, just means you have less on your TV TODO

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sphery:

kormoc: but Summer Glau

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sphery:

does a show need anything more?

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kormoc:

Kaylee?

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Shadow__X:

most of you guys don't backup your recordings right?

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sphery:

ok, maybe Summer Glau + Jewel Staite, but we all knows what happens you put them together

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wagnerrp:

i do

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sphery:

the network can't handle it

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kormoc:

sphery, true enough

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Twiggy2cents:

any idea how to unbreak the ipod f-up?

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, I do not. I can just re-record them

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, you shouldn't be having it happen

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kormoc:

the files were deleted

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: now mister sunshine... thats a great show

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kormoc:

Haven't seen that one yet

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah there is no ipod dir in modules/settings/tmpl

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wagnerrp:

'weve been over this. youre only supposed to work four hours per week, and yet you're always here in the suit and no one knows why'

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Twiggy2cents:

What would happen if I just symlinked default to ipod?

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Twiggy2cents:

break it more?

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Shadow__X:

oh ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Heh... doing some 'spring cleaning', I came across my son's old "Yamaha Motorcycle controller" for PS1 w/an xbox adapter... And with the xbox->usb adapter I made years ago, it works... ;-) That might work pretty neat for MAME...

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sphery:

heh, nice

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: get some nice force feedback steering wheel and setup a nice driving sim. Thats what i want to do in the future

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Analog steering, throttle and brake... 8 buttons, and a POV pad...

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: The clutch lever acts like a brake – I may re-wire that into one of the buttons instead if I use it. ;-) That's just plain stupid... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: really just get the frontend of a car and use that for the driving sim :)

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sphery:

clutch became a brake because of the converter?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Hehehe... ;-) Yeah, I think I've got a PC wheel somewhere with FF... It was the bomb for Need4Speed...

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sphery:

wow, so a little nuclear war could end global warming... http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/03/idUS259061949320110303

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I think it may be the way the controller is designed — it's a PlayStation controller that came with an adapter for Xbox and GameCube...

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Twiggy2cents:

woot I fixed it.. I just copied the files missing in the tmpl section to iPod

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: ah, makes sense

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Twiggy2cents:

so should there not be an option for an ipod layout if htere is no ipod files?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfi . . . MORTCONT.jpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

Heh... one page I just found about it while googling claims it's got "ABS-Anti-Lock Braking System"... Hehehehe yeah, right...

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sphery:

heh

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clgshaft:

hey guys, i got analog and digital working on one of my 2250's, using two just will not work. I need to add one more source as svideo cable, so i will have the 4 sources on one 2250

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clgshaft:

having the second 2250 crashes the kernel

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i am hideously low on memory

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adub:

hi guys back i just formatted again sound in everything except mythtv through hdmi

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tgm4883:

is there a way to test dvb tuners (like the pcHDTV 5500) outside of mythtv? I've attempted to just cat the frontend0, but it tells me that is invalid

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Shadow__X:

tgm4883: i am pretty sure you need to give it a freq table

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Shadow__X:

so you have to tune it to a specific freq then watch the output. Unless i am mistaken i believe you could use mplayer for that

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tgm4883:

ok

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tgm4883:

trying to work out why i seem to have lost the ability to tune nbc

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sphery:

tgm4883: use scan to create a channels.conf ( scan us-NTSC-center-frequencies-8VSB > ~/.azap/channels.conf ), then azap to tune ( azap -r WESH-DT ), then cat or dd /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0

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sphery:

yoru us-NTSC-center-frequencies-8VSB is probably somewhere in your share dirs

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tgm4883:

do I really need to tune it?

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tgm4883:

I've tuned it previously on mythtv

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sphery:

yeah, have to have azap running as long as you want to cat from it

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tgm4883:

ah

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sphery:

and you'll need to use whatever callsign your channels.conf has for the nbc in your area

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ugliefrog:

how do i change the recording directory to another hard drive in ubuntu

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tgm4883:

sphery, NTSC for a pcHDTV card using the digital side?

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sphery:

ugliefrog: start mythtv-setup and go to Storage Directories, then select a Storage Group, then select and edit, or create a new, directory entry

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sphery:

tgm4883: or us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB ... they're basically the same

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tgm4883:

on comcast, i'm thinking more along the lines of us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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sphery:

the difference being "rounding error" that's handled by the tuner's hardware fine tune

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ugliefrog:

sphery, I did that but the recordings never showed up...I reset it back to its default.....when you create a new directory under the default dir how will it know to use that one

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sphery:

ah, yeah, for cable, you'd use one of those

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sphery:

ugliefrog: it uses only the directories specified in the storage group, not subdirectories

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sphery:

ugliefrog: if you mean "a new directory under the default /storage group/", it just knows--it looks through all the dirs until it finds the recording

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sphery:

ugliefrog: if you're saying it's not recording to the new directory, that's because it likely has less space available than the one it is recording to

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sphery:

if you want it to stop using one of the directories currently in the storage group, you must delete that directory from the group (and should probably then move the recordings out of that directory and into one that is in the storage group)

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ugliefrog:

sphery, I dont want it to use the default dir.....mythtv is on a small partition...so I would like to have the recordings elsewhere...when u sya sub dir..do you meant it can cant be /username/home/Videos/mythtv/....

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tgm4883:

ugliefrog, it can't be in your home dir

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tgm4883:

or any home dir

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ugliefrog:

Dangitness

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sphery:

yeah, you should put it elsewhere

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sphery:

but you can use any directory at any level--just have to actually specify the full directory path in the storage group

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sphery:

don't use home dirs, though, because of permissions

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ugliefrog:

I have a seperate hard drive ill try that and see what happens.....

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sphery:

feel free to create a new dir on the same file system that houses home dirs--just don't put it under some user's home (where only that user can access it)

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tgm4883:

sphery, i'm guessing that in channels.conf it should list the channel name?

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sphery:

yeah, should be the first field

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tgm4883:

:(

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sphery:

something like: KNTV-HD :207000000:QAM_256:65:68:4

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tgm4883:

all i'm getting is this type of line

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tgm4883:

[0009]:765000000:QAM_256:0:2689:9

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sphery:

that [0009] is likely what it's using

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MythLogBot:

SVN 0009: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/6fb8538e

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sphery:

I have a feeling your cable co is either using the out-of-band info thing or just not labeling channels

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tgm4883:

I wonder if i need to try and use scte65scan

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sphery:

so it's likely saying "I'll make up a name using the frequency"

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sphery:

yeah, scte65... that out-of-band stuff :)

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sphery:

which cable co?

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wagnerrp:

ugh... fallout games would be so friggen easy if it werent for all the glitches

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tgm4883:

comcast

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I've gotten stuck in the map /so/ many times

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sphery:

tgm4883: then, likely, yeah

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** tgm4883 downloads **

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sphery:

not making a package for it?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i unloaded an entire clip of .50 BMG into a deathclaw, and nothing happened because the bullets caught in an invisible wall

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, now I have to decide between some Fallout 3 or starting a new series

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sphery:

nice...

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sphery:

and deathclaw's aren't easy to dispatch

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wagnerrp:

they are with an anti-material rifle

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wagnerrp:

as long as you can maintain your distance

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wagnerrp:

which is a problem when it wont accept keyboard commands

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wagnerrp:

like the one to stand up, and the one to start running

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

anti-material rifle... will have to look that up

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wagnerrp:

something new in F:NV

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sphery:

ah, haven't been to NV, yet

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wagnerrp:

deathclaws are actually fairly easy in F3

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wagnerrp:

one hit with the dart gun and theyre easy pickings

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wagnerrp:

even at lower levels

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sphery:

still cleaning up capital wasteland

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sphery:

I'll have to try that. I think I have schematics, but haven't made the gun, yet

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wagnerrp:

its glorious

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sphery:

was waiting 'til I got the 3rd copy

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wagnerrp:

just make multiples, and repair them

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tgm4883:

ok, so that seems to have produced some results

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wagnerrp:

plenty of parts for it laying around

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wagnerrp:

unless your repair skill is low

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sphery:

my repair's not too bad

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sphery:

plus I have all the merchants (and I've pimp'ed their wares, so they're high)

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sphery:

so, now you have me in the mood for some fallout... castle can wait

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rsalveti:

markk_: awesome, did you test with the pvr drivers?

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rsalveti:

that would be nice to have at natty, as we have both panda and beagle working with the pvr drivers

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rsalveti:

and now qt is compiled with the gles backend by default

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rsalveti:

but I don't know yet how many patches are needed, and if the mythtv team would easily accept this new feature

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rsalveti:

as they would probably need to maintain this patchset

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wagnerrp:

having fun with the commit hooks?

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tgm4883:

I'm trying to figure out why I can no longer tune NBCDT on my pcHDTV 5500 in mythtv. I thought it might be because I moved my backend to another cable outlet, but I am able to tune the channel fine in other software. When attempting to tune, I get this in the backend logs

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tgm4883:

2011-03–03 20:03:00.239 LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend.

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tgm4883:

actually there are some odd h264 looking errors too. Here is the last bit of backend log http://pastebin.com/isFG4Xnu

[04:07:26]

tgm4883:

also odd, when tuning the channel in live tv (in mythtv) it says I have signal of 99% and SNR of 3.9dB

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tgm4883:

any thoughts from anyone? I was thinking of trying to reimport a new channels.conf file. Initially I just did a scan in the backend, but just recently I used scte65scan to create it since I have comcast

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tgm4883:

also, this is on 2:0.24.0+fixes.20110302.0d3d3a4–0ubuntu0mythbuntu1

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markk_:

rsalveti: what do you mean by 'pvr drivers'?

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rsalveti:

markk_: the pvr sgx drivers

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rsalveti:

you can find the omap 3 one as libgles2-sgx-omap3

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rsalveti:

and the omap 4 as libgles2-sgx-omap4, but available only at the TI ppa

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rsalveti:

that will get you hardware acceleration for gles

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markk_:

rsalveti: yes – it was working with libgles2-sgx-omap3

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rsalveti:

awesome

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rsalveti:

I think ticket 9627 is basically because the stable release of mythtv doesn't have any gles support

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rsalveti:

and now that qt is compiled with gles, the mythtv build fails

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rsalveti:

so we could just disable the opengl support for arm, or apply the gles patches on top of it

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markk_:

rsalveti: the simplest thing to do for 0.24/fixes would be to force no opengl support, use the Qt UI painter and XVideo for video (with whatever the OMAP xvideo driver is...)

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markk_:

for master, there is still a configure fix that may be needed, otherwise opengl es 2.0 should be detected by the configure script and enabled. btw performance on the beagleboard was terrible – next to useless – largely to the memory limit. I didn't get video out with myth – but I think that was down to ffmpeg/neon optimisations crashing

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Beirdo:

Oooh, configure fix... I seem to remember having one of those to do

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markk_:

I have started on a new theme that is optimised for low memory/opengl 2.0 systems – it just uses plain rectangles and text. (anything other than a plain rect is converted to a texture and hence uses memory)

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rsalveti:

markk_: oh, ok, good to know

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rsalveti:

too bad even with gles the performance was still bad

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rsalveti:

so no luck for us until we have this new theme

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markk_:

the theme will help – but there is more to it than that. I suspect proper beagleboard support isn't realistic (though I'm still not sure my beagleboard is functioning well) – pandaboard may be a more realistic target (but I can't test – no hardware!)

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rsalveti:

well, at least they are now shipping the pandas again

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judget:

hi i notice that with version 0.24 there does not seem to be a place to set the mysql password for mythTV

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judget:

I did an upgrade on my system from 0.23 to 0.24

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judget:

can someone explain this change?

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judget:

because now my front end cannot connect to it any longer

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[R]:

its in ~/.mythtv

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Beirdo:

markk_: #9258 is closed, the config change is in.

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tgm4883:

hmm, so for those following along, everything seems to work correctly after deleting the channels and importing the new channels.conf

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tgm4883:

odd

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markk_:

Beirdo: thanks – I'll get the windows script in today :)

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Beirdo:

that's all it was waiting for?

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Beirdo:

I guess let's just make sure the buildbot likes it, but I didn't see anything that should break in the normal use, so we should be good then

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judget:

ok i have the correct password but it still will not connect although i can ping it

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judget:

it did connect b4 the upgrade

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[R]:

judget: "it will not connect" tells us nothing

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judget:

ok the specific message is Could not connect to the master backend server, Is it running? Is the IP address set for it in mythtv-setup correct?

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judget:

i think maybe it might be becoz on this machine it also has backend server?

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[R]:

that has nothing to do with not being able to connect to the mysql

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[R]:

pastebin the full log

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judget:

when i setup this machine, my laptop i did check the will other machines connect to this

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: milestone... i should have the commit hook handle that

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Beirdo:

hmmm, if it can, yeah

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Beirdo:

it probably will get it wrong at times though

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wagnerrp:

i think there should be enough data in the json packet to get it right

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judget:

nvm i looked at the log it is trying to connect to the local mysql server

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Beirdo:

well, what happens if we already fixed it on 0.24-fixes, then close the ticket with a commit to master?

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Beirdo:

that will be the minority of the time, I would guess though

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wagnerrp:

check to see if its already closed, and react accordingly

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Beirdo:

we are more likely to fix it on master, then backport to fixes

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Beirdo:

which should still set the milestone to 0.24.1

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Beirdo:

but hey, even best guess will make it a lot less manual tweaking

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clgshaft:

Beirdo: You have the 2250 right?

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Beirdo:

yes

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clgshaft:

Beirdo: How did you set the inputs in input connections on the backend?

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clgshaft:

I have ota and svideo on video0

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Beirdo:

the first digital and first analog go into an input group

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Beirdo:

and the same for the second of each

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clgshaft:

Ota on adapter0 and 1

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Beirdo:

and then connect the input connections as appropriate

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clgshaft:

Everything is connected fine

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clgshaft:

So if something is recording in video0 I can't watch adapter0?

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Beirdo:

of course not

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Beirdo:

that's why you need them to be in an input group together

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Beirdo:

then mythtv won't let you try

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clgshaft:

Ok, and still can't. Ok so if I was watching video0 can I change to adapter0?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

only to another input group

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clgshaft:

Ok

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Beirdo:

or ungrouped input

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clgshaft:

Did you set each dvb to record 1 or 2 at once?

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clgshaft:

That's under recording options

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Beirdo:

yes, I put 2 virtual tuners each

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clgshaft:

What does that do?

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Beirdo:

it will record up to 2 channels at a time if they share the same multiplex

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clgshaft:

Ok

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clgshaft:

I think I need another card, but I can't get anything to work

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clgshaft:

Tried a second 2250, 1600, and 950q

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clgshaft:

So I have 4 virtual tubers, dvb 3,4,5,6 going through the menu, if I select each of these should I get a signal?

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Beirdo:

in theory, if you set stuff up right

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Beirdo:

sorry, had a long day and all

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clgshaft:

Ok. I set video0 and adapter0 to the same input under input 1, left input 2 as generic. I don't get signal on dvb 5 and 6

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Beirdo:

huh?

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clgshaft:

5 and 6 would belong to adapter1 which has it's own input1 and input 2 was also left as generic

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Beirdo:

you need to create an *INPUT GROUP*

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clgshaft:

I did

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clgshaft:

Under create input group is input 1 and 2, both default to generic

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clgshaft:

If I have video0 adapter0 and adapter1, I should be able to record on adapter1 and watch either video0 or adapter0 right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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clgshaft:

Ok I think it is working fine, no crash for 30 minutes. Now I need to add another tuner

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clgshaft:

Any suggestions? I want another analog svideo and more digital ota

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wagnerrp:

suggestions for what?

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clgshaft:

Tuner card

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wagnerrp:

a second 2250?

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clgshaft:

Lol, it crashes the kernel

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wagnerrp:

you said it was working

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clgshaft:

I got a 2250, a 1600, and 2 950q's here that have zone sort of negative affect on my system

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clgshaft:

I have one working yes, a 2250, but I want more

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wagnerrp:

so get a second

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clgshaft:

As soon as a put a second 2250 into my pc the kernel crashes

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: ok, the commit hook should now be setting milestone

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Beirdo:

nice :)

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Beirdo:

best guess, I take it?

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wagnerrp:

its doing basic text sorting, so 0.23 > 0.24 > 0.24.1 > 0.25

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Beirdo:

k

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wagnerrp:

master tells it to take the last milestone in order, not including 'unknown'

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wagnerrp:

fixes/0.24 tells it to take the last milestone in order that starts with 0.24

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wagnerrp:

it will only set the milestone if none is set, or its setting to an earlier milestone

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wagnerrp:

i.e. changing from 0.25 to 0.24.1

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

that should save us a pile of manual setting

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wagnerrp:

the only issue will be during release time

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

where weve branched something, but havent yet updated the milestones to match

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wagnerrp:

or visa versa

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Beirdo:

yeah, we may have to override a bit

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Beirdo:

but still.

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wagnerrp:

the only other issue would be if my assumptions of the internals of trac are dead wrong, and the whole thing just bails

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how to set up the runtime environment for it

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wagnerrp:

so i dont know how to manually test

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wagnerrp:

other than just having someone commit something

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

basically, theres a Ticket()['milestone'] value

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wagnerrp:

and i dont know if thats a Milestone object, or a string

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wagnerrp:

im thinking its a string

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wagnerrp:

although thats not how i would have programmed it...

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Beirdo:

yeah well :)

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** wagnerrp is just happy theres another soul maintaining the protocol documentation on the wiki **

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clgshaft:

I have both 2250's working right now, 10 minutes no crash, but I've seen it go longer. 4 ota digital tuners would be nice to have.

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mycosys:

3 is nice

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clgshaft:

3?

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mycosys:

3xAusus u3100mini here

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clgshaft:

Oh, 2 hauppauge 2250 here. 1600 and 2 950's waiting to be used

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wagnerrp:

so you have seven digital tuners, and five analog

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wagnerrp:

eight independent

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clgshaft:

If they all worked

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clgshaft:

1600 and 950's do not work

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mycosys:

only 1 hour a day of television worth watchin? on 14 channels at once?

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clgshaft:

1600 fails to initialize, 950's crash the backend

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clgshaft:

Shit I'm at 20 minutes, no crash

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Beirdo_:

language.

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Beirdo_ is now known as Beirdo

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clgshaft:

Sorry, excited

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** Beirdo watches more It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia **

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clgshaft:

Ok guys seems to be working. Thanks for the help

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clgshaft:

What do I need to make lirc work? I have done yum install lirc

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justinh:

I suggest reading the LIRC docs

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justinh:

blimmin car park barrier entry system wouldn't acknowledge my keyfob til 0630. Had to sit there like a lemon for 10 minutes. And I won't get this time back, so I'm a editing xml

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wylie:

i just recently got a appletv2 — was considering jailbreaking for xbmc — but wanting to use myth:// protocol vs mythbox plugin --- anyone know if that works on dharma?

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justinh:

why not try asking in #xbmc instead? more likely to meet XBMC users there

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justinh:

s/users/fans

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justinh:

or hey, just *try* it out. You'll likely end up becoming frustrated with how little you can do with the thing & jailbreaking it anyway :P

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dewman:

howdy....I am looking for firewiredevice.cpp, can someone point me to a location of where i can download it from? I checked the wiki and didnt find it there....

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hashbang:

dewman: it's in the MythTV source tree. What are you hoping to do with it?

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dewman:

hashbang: I was told that it should help me get my motorola box up and going.... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/474069#474069

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hashbang:

dewman: OK, so you'll need to download the MythTV source code, patch it as per that email, then recompile and install

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hashbang:

dewman: it sounds as though that won't be something you'll be completely comfortable doing

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dewman:

hashbang: Your right....But I was able to get firewire_primer and firewire_tester working yesterday...That was a hurdle. =)

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dewman:

hashbang: is there a way to search for that file on github?

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ptriller:

does anyone have an idea if mythreplex works with H264 streams ?

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justinh:

I'm assuming mythreplex doesn't work with h.264 streams or you wouldn't be asking

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justinh:

though I dunno why it wouldn't. AFAIK it *should* work with any format mythtv can play

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ptriller:

I checked the code.. only MPEG2..

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justinh:

ah well. no mytharchiving h.264 for you :-)

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hashbang:

dewman: it should be in mythtv/libs/libmythtv/firewiredevice.cpp

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dewman:

so no more using the webchat interface.... that didnt work so hot...

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dewman:

hashbang, sorry i fell off for a moment...

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hashbang:

dewman: it should be in mythtv/libs/libmythtv/firewiredevice.cpp

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dewman:

hashbang, ok, i got it...I also found video_source as well.

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stevieman:

My mythfillDB is not running automatically. If I launch the backend, exit and say yes to running mythfill then it works just fine, however it doesn't run automatically to keep my guide up to date. I haven't been able to find where to turn this on.

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Newbuntu81:

Has anyone recently updated to the 2.6.35-27-generic kernel and is now having trouble?

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stevieman:

Yah, my system stopped booting properly

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wagnerrp:

ptriller: correct, mythtv currently cannot losslessly cut h264 content

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wagnerrp:

of course, were you to write up support, im sure theres several hundred users who would love you for it

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ptriller:

urgh, I am not sure if I am particualaly fond of reading the h264 spec :)

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clgshaft:

justinh: I have read the docs, still a newbie here

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wagnerrp:

apple has restricted the iphone version of opera to users over 17 only...

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wagnerrp:

apparently, its an objectionable browser

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: well, not so much the app, as the fact the app permits access to the entire web. Presumably there are parental controls on the standard iPhone browser in order to make this non-hypocritical.

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clgshaft:

Hey guys my 2 2250's went the night without crashing

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for crying out loud, Freenode...

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dewman:

someone give me a pointer on how to compile 6200ch.c? I get am getting a strange error when doing it. http://pastebin.com/gbBzcChp

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dewman:

sorry for the improper english usage there....

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Newbuntu81:

anyone have the HVR 2250 working in mythtv with Mythbuntu 10.10?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so, if the iPad was /the/ perfect frontend device, is the iPad 2 /two times/ the perfect frontend device?

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iamlindoro:

/kick sphery

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iamlindoro:

/kickban sphery

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iamlindoro:

/mode +b #mythtv-users sphery

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sphery:

heh, sorry

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iamlindoro:

/topic "Sphery Free Zone"

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sphery:

I just heard that iPad 2 has "double" the CPU performance (because it's now dual core) and 9x the graphics performance (of course, no mention of what that means anywhere in sight)

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sphery:

so figure it must be even better for mythfrontend, now

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

don't encourage the people who don't know oyu're kidding

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sphery:

yeah, I should admit I'm /definitely/ kidding

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sphery:

especially since the channel is so quiet, what with all the connectivity issues

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sphery:

oh, and I should have also mentioned the additional requirements we have for libav*, too

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sphery:

good post

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Shadow__X:

so if wanted a mobile frontend that was lightweight were would i look

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Shadow__X:

i have a 500 price range and i would need it to be wireless

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sphery:

and now to get some stuff done, so I might be able to step outside and see the X-37B launch

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iamlindoro:

I'd look into an antigravity generator

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iamlindoro:

500 = billion, right?

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Shadow__X:

yup

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iamlindoro:

Well there you go, another happy customer

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Shadow__X:

sphery: you could do something similar for the ipod touch's and transcode the recording then serv it up that way

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sphery:

Shadow__X: yeah, if you're willing to waste cpu time/energy transcoding to mobile-compatible formats, you could use many devices through the UPnP interface

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sphery:

IMHO, that's about the best you'll get for a mobile "mythtv frontend"

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stevieman:

My mythfillDB is not running automatically. If I launch the backend, exit and say yes to running mythfill then it works just fine, however it doesn't run automatically to keep my guide up to date. I haven't been able to find where to turn this on.

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup, general

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stevieman:

iamlindoro: Thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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clgshaft:

Is there plans to make a iPad a frontend?

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sphery:

clgshaft: no, that was all a joke

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clgshaft:

Oh, why? Not possible?

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sphery:

some people on the list had said it would be perfect--completely ignoring the app store restrictions, lack of availability of drivers for hardware decode, insufficient RAM, paltry processor, non-Unix-like OS without any of the support for things mythfrontend needs (such as support for the Qt application development platform), Apple-specific development languages, ...

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sphery:

I could go on, but there's just so many reasons why iPad and iPhone/iPod would be terrible for mythfrontend that it would take a long time to go through them all :)

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sphery:

best bet for locked-down platforms is to use UPnP to stream transcoded-to-formats-and-sizes-that-the-mobile-device-can-handle versions of your recordings

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clgshaft:

I'll try the transcode, did before with no success

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clgshaft:

Thanks for the explanation

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wagnerrp:

stevieman: there is no dialog in mythtv that give the option of immediately running mythfilldatabase

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: No but when I exit the backend setup it prompts me to run mythfill. It was getting old having to do that. Apparently I turned off the auto update in the general tab at some point. I checked and it was not checked. I should be good to go now.

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wagnerrp:

no, it merely suggests that if you have altered your lineup, you may want to

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!trout freenode splitty

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: Oh I understand that, I was using it to run mythfill because I forgot about the command line and disabled the auto run at some point. I figured I should start the auto run again now that we are using the mythbox to replace the PVR

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dewman:

quick question again, I have updated firewire_device.cpp with a new model id, how would I go about compiling it to see if it works?

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iamlindoro:

You need to compile mythtv in its entirety

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iamlindoro:

you can't just compile one .cpp file, as that file is just a small part of the overall library which must in turn be linked against all the applications

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dewman:

o lovely...

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iamlindoro:

So the short answer is, compile and install your full copy of the MythTV source, plus plugins, with your modifications applied

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wagnerrp:

N517rv... i dont have high hopes for that username

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rhpot1991:

iamlindoro: isn't there some generic firewire device he can use instead?

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iamlindoro:

I've never heard of the generic device working for anyone, since he's attempting to do capture

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i just realized, that ebuild i put together that just installs the bindings does not install any of mythtv/programs/scripts

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wagnerrp:

meaning none of the metadata stuff in the python bindings will work

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wagnerrp:

think that will be much of a problem?

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judget:

Hi my frontend will ot connect to the mater backend

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judget:

logs show — 2011-03–04 14:42:29.442 MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.7:6543 (try 1 of 1)

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judget:

2011-03–04 14:42:29.442 Connection to master server timed out.

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judget:

Either the server is down or the master server settings

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judget:

in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address

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judget:

yes that is what is set for my backend server

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judget:

lloks like it did conenct to the mysql db though

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, hrm... it'd likely be useful to install the scripts with things

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judget:

also have an error in the log mythfront.log showing failed to conect to Unix Socket /var/run/lirc/lircd

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judget:

any ideas would be appreciated?

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judget:

on the backend machine the local mythfrontend will also not connect

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wagnerrp:

looks like ryan patterson just threw fuel on the fire

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jams:

wagnerrp- for the myth data, do you have plans to put controls around it so the user can decline to send back a peice of data? Or is it all or nothing

[20:08:05]

wagnerrp:

i was intending all-or-nothing

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judget:

is there an easy way to check the mythconverg DB after an upgrade I acnnoit connect to the mythmasterbackend

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thoughts?

[20:09:19]

wagnerrp:

judget: looks like the database is working just fine, since the frontend knew where to find the backend

[20:09:27]

wagnerrp:

the problem seems to be that your backend is not actually running

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jams:

I'm not talking in the ui, just in the cfg file like the other bits of data

[20:10:13]

wagnerrp:

right, i saw the gating stuff in there currently

[20:10:31]

jams:

wanted to make the clear..in the ui would be a mess

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering how much use those data points will be if users can opt out

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wagnerrp:

personally, i think it should be all or nothing

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wagnerrp:

and if there are things it collects that may trouble users, well then we probably just shouldnt collect it

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jams:

i suspect very few will change it. Really i found the gate stuff to be the most helpful when debugging/troubleshooting

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judget:

ok wagnerrp I did a manual start of the mythbackend is 1264 the correct db schema version for 0.24?

[20:14:56]

wagnerrp:

i honestly dont remember

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wagnerrp:

looks like yes

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judget:

well it still will not connect

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judget:

either from a laptop running mythfrontend or running mythfrontend on the same machine as the backend

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jams:

gated would be my preference, but if it doesn't happen so be it. Just as long as the entire MYTH section can be gated.

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judget:

so i checked my protocls and they seem to be correct and as we agree the mysql is connecting bu the master backend does not let me connect

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judget:

could this be a db corruption as a result of the db upgrade process?

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wagnerrp:

you have run 'ps ax | grep mythbackend' and confirmed the backend is actually running?

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judget:

yup

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judget:

judget@MythTV2:~$ ps aux | grep mythbackend

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judget:

judget 2214 0.0 0.1 3324 804 pts/0 S+ 15:27 0:00 grep --color=auto mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

so no, mythbackend is not running

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judget:

hmmm

[20:29:22]

wagnerrp:

if the backend is not running, then clearly there would be no way for the frontend to connect to it

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judget:

wagnerrp look at thios pastebin pls http://pastebin.com/00iHqtFw

[20:32:01]

wagnerrp:

you never configured mythtv

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wagnerrp:

of course it wont run

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judget:

yes I did from system admionistration mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

whatever you did, you did not configure your tuner complete

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wagnerrp:

ly

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judget:

besides this was an update from 0.23 which ahd been running

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judget:

i have no tuner in this box just a capture card

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wagnerrp:

a capture card connected to a cable box?

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judget:

no

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judget:

im really jjust using it for playing videos streaming

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judget:

at this point

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is designed for recording tv, and requires a properly set up capture device, and channels

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judget:

well it worked b4 with version 0.23

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ptriller:

How writes those videp codec specs, I get braindamage just looking at them ..

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ptriller:

*Who

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wagnerrp:

judget: it may have worked in the past, but a tunerless system has never been officially supported or tested

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wagnerrp:

so no official feature was removed

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judget:

ok wagnerrp i have another system at home that has a tuner card. meanwjhile i will try to set this up as a dummy tuner or trash it

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judget:

wagnerrpp i think i found a way to use the inout test recorder and a stored mpeg file to fcreate a dummy tuner

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wuddigel:

hi good evening, can anybody help me configuratign my tv-card "Hauppauge Nova-S-Plus"? i don't know what kind of card this is.

[21:21:31]

wagnerrp:

DVB-S

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wagnerrp:

digital satellit ereceiver

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wuddigel:

yes, ok. but I'm in the mythtv-setup and what type must i select

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wagnerrp:

DVB

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wuddigel:

ok i have choosen this an then i get an error while scanning transponders

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iamlindoro:

You need to read the DVB-S documentation

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iamlindoro:

ie, you need to set up your whole diseqc tree, etc.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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KaZeR:

hello guys

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KaZeR:

can someone help me with that issue? http://pastebin.com/U8XRTqcf

[21:37:25]

KaZeR:

i have the exact same problem on two boxes. i have a static image when watching livetv, and the logs gets flooded with that "waited 100ms" message

[21:37:43]

wagnerrp:

how big are the recordings?

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iamlindoro:

audio

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iamlindoro:

(determines the rate at which video is played, and your audio device is...)

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wagnerrp:

its the 'NULL' audio device stuff?

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iamlindoro:

There's enough video for it to determine codec and how many tracks there are, so minimally something is getting written out

[21:39:10]

iamlindoro:

so my money is on the fact that audio appears to be completely misconfigured/unconfigured

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sphery:

KaZeR: out of curiosity, what version of mythtv is this?

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iamlindoro:

.24ish

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iamlindoro:

or later

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iamlindoro:

(based on the GL resource cleanups)

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sphery:

yeah, wondering if it's unstable/development

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iamlindoro:

could be

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KaZeR:

sphery, 0.24

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sphery:

cool, just wondered

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sphery:

definitely need to fix up audio, though

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KaZeR:

i have no audio issues, so far

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iamlindoro:

KaZeR: Using stock MythTV? Who is your package provider?

[21:45:11]

** KaZeR crosses fingers **

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KaZeR:

iamlindoro, this is 0.24 from mythtv.org, compiled by hand

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wagnerrp:

so, from the old subversion repository?

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KaZeR:

my 2 ubuntu frontends have this issue, my archlinux frontend works fine

[21:46:22]

KaZeR:

wagnerrp, is this question for me?

[21:46:26]

wagnerrp:

yes

[21:46:38]

wagnerrp:

because if youre using the 0.24 release snapshot, you shouldnt be

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wagnerrp:

those really only exist because some packagers require them

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wagnerrp:

if youre building from source, use git, and use the fixes/0.24 branch

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sphery:

KaZeR: "2011-03–04 22:35:12.319 Opening NULL audio device." says you have audio issues.

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KaZeR:

wagnerrp, i downloaded http://www.mythtv.org/download and used the same tarball on my backend and my 3 frontends

[21:48:02]

KaZeR:

sphery, good point

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wagnerrp:

KaZeR: yes, those really shouldnt be used

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KaZeR:

wagnerrp, what's the recommended way then?

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wagnerrp:

if youre going to build from source, build from up to date source

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iamlindoro:

If all you want if .24, then you shouldn't use source on ubuntu at all

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wagnerrp:

[16:47] <wagnerrp> if youre building from source, use git, and use the fixes/0.24 branch

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sphery:

KaZeR: as specified http://code.mythtv.org/trac/

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KaZeR:

wagnerrp, svn-trunk ?

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iamlindoro:

just install the mythbuntu repos and use their .24 packages

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wagnerrp:

we dont use svn

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sphery:

and no, not trunk, not master, not unstable/development

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iamlindoro:

more specifically, their .24-fixes packages

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sphery:

0.24-fixes :)

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sphery:

agreed, though, that the mythbuntu packages make the most sense

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sphery:

unless you're actually modifying the code/developing or testing patches/...

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KaZeR:

nop

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KaZeR:

but the ubuntu package requires a slightly different version than my backend provides (1254 vs 1264 i believe)

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sphery:

mythbuntu 0.24 uses DB schema version 1264, mythbuntu 0.23.x uses DB schema version 1254

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KaZeR:

damn ut's 0.23

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KaZeR:

indeed

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sphery:

the same as every 0.24/0.23

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sphery:

just enable 0.24 packages if you want 0.24

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KaZeR:

thanks, i'll have a look at that

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sphery:

(assuming you have a new enough ubuntu release)

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KaZeR:

i have 10.10

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sphery:

KaZeR: see http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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KaZeR:

thanks sphery

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sphery:

10.10 is definitely new enough :)

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sphery:

they have both 0.23.1 and 0.24 packages for 10.10

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sphery:

all based off the fixes branches (with all the important bug fixes--including some pretty critical Live TV fixes :)

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KaZeR:

good to know!

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wuddigel:

thank you for your help iamlindoro. it works i found my Channels. I shoud read the fucking manual:)

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iamlindoro:

and the channel rules

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iamlindoro:

but you are welcome

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iamlindoro:

Suspect it was language barrier, not malicious

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jams:

eh it was only a kick

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sphery:

did you specify a reason?

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wagnerrp:

the user's name

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sphery:

if not, we should probably explain if he comes back

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jams:

i msged him right after the kick with the reason

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justinh:

I need to report an email address as spam so it'll get blocked all over the place. I saw the email address on the -users ML. Is it wrong to try & do that?

[22:21:38]

justinh:

keeps whining something about 'WAT' or 'WEF' or something. It's very annoying

[22:21:44]

iamlindoro:

only if we like him

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iamlindoro:

if we hate him, it's ok

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wagnerrp:

justinh: but hes mike jones, bitch!

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justinh:

dunno about *him* per se but his attitude sucks IMHO

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I actually have a good friend by that name, but this is undoubtedly not him

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justinh:

... "but if that XML file can be structured in such a way to lend

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justinh:

itself to being customized without complete redsign.. "

[22:25:17]

wagnerrp:

yes yes, he doesnt know what hes talking about

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wagnerrp:

that discussion should have been left a week ago at 'we tried, we couldnt get it to work. if you think you know better, have at it!'

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justinh:

aye :-)

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justinh:

this is one way forums are better than MLs...

[22:26:38]

wagnerrp:

and in fewer words, that IS the concept behind 'patches welcome'

[22:26:47]

justinh:

at least a mod could edit/delete/ban :-)

[22:26:55]

wagnerrp:

and/or lock the thread

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iamlindoro:

In theory a mod to our ML could do that

[22:27:05]

wagnerrp:

you know, maybe we can lock the thread

[22:27:10]

iamlindoro:

but the ML is the Wild West

[22:27:19]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: are you saying our mailing list could delete emails?

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justinh:

hmm I see the problem though

[22:27:31]

wagnerrp:

that sounds like something microsoft would think up

[22:27:42]

justinh:

WHOAH.. you frickin fascists, censoring my whining

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justinh:

;-)

[22:28:15]

justinh:

on reflection, maybe it'd cause more bother than it's worth – hence nobody bothering previously

[22:28:55]

justinh:

hey maybe people would enjoy a UI like this, where the content providers push video adverts onto your PVR http://twitpic.com/464g1j

[22:29:16]

justinh:

look at that screen – bristling with information. LOL

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sphery:

iamlindoro: definitely the Wild West... and with wagnerrp's brain dead SMTP server, we don't even have a Sheriff, anymore

[22:29:48]

wagnerrp:

i havent actually tried sending any posts besides that one thread

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if somehow that text got flagged as spam

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sphery:

justinh: didn't a few groups in India and China and ... try to do that with MythTV...

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wagnerrp:

so however many times i tried to send it, it would get flagged the same

[22:30:20]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i could send it from work, see if it goes through

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justinh:

sphery: I thought they were more about inserting their own ads into recordings

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sphery:

and, by "try", I mean, "send an e-mail to -dev list demanding that others teach them how MythTV works, document it, then make changes to allow them to insert their own ads on top of the ads in the broadcast they're recording"

[22:31:08]

justinh:

sorry, insertings advertisings into the the breakings of recordings

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

that's what I was talking about

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justinh:

rent-a-coder not quite getting the OSS ethos either

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sphery:

guess the picture you show sn't as bad since it just puts an ad on the EPG

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i think your explanation of their actions was longer than the email you send

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wagnerrp:

youre talking about that one guy asking for documentation a few weeks back?

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sphery:

(and probably isn't a violation of broacast agreements/ToS)

[22:32:44]

justinh:

sphery: stuffing ads into my list of recordings is something I'd call a nono

[22:32:59]

sphery:

wagnerrp: the guys who pop up once or twice a year asking how they can cut to their own ads during detected commercials in Live TV playback

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justinh:

esp. if I own the hardware. er.. paid for it outright

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i dont actually remember seeing any of those

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sphery:

but, yeah, their e-mails are also short--due to language barrier, I think

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justinh:

pah & tish to the language barrier

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wagnerrp:

justinh: thats what some people call profit!

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justinh:

we've hired bods to do programming at various places I've worked for – they come over from wherever & their knowledge of the lingo & culture is amazing

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sphery:

justinh: I agree--it's a no no for me, too... but that's why I'm using MythTV and not some cable-co DVR :)

[22:34:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: one of them: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/432831#432831

[22:35:30]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/255467#255467

[22:35:58]

sphery:

and I know I've missed a couple of them... maybe those were in #mythtv, not on list...

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[R]:

i recorded a show 'babies behind bars'... i thought it was a show about kids being in jail... but its about mothers who give birth in prison... LAME

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justinh:

heh what did you expect?

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sphery:

and here I expected it to be old home videos of Lindsay Lohan and her ilk partying at the pubs when they were still infants

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[R]:

lol

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I always like the ones that are posted by random indian guy a, and then re-posted three days later by random indian guy b

[22:38:06]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Turnover must be high at Theftech

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, those were the ones I was trying to find

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sphery:

because they're so ... demonstrative of the theme

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iamlindoro:

So looks like NewEgg got the new HDHR in stock, but you still can't buy an HDHR Prime

[22:42:41]

iamlindoro:

Weird, though... the specs list ATSC, QAM... *and* DVB-T

[22:42:44]

sphery:

I think the HDHR Prime should come with a nice shield-shaped label that says, "HDHR PRIME"

[22:42:47]

iamlindoro:

wonder if they've unified the designs

[22:42:53]

sphery:

not like the USDA would sue them... :)

[22:43:34]

sphery:

would be a good thing if they're unified

[22:46:44]

wagnerrp:

odd

[22:46:53]

wagnerrp:

couldnt log into my mail server

[22:47:02]

wagnerrp:

because my mail server couldnt find my sql server

[22:47:10]

wagnerrp:

because my dns server was down and lookup was failing

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wagnerrp:

still nothing?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im thinking theres something wrong with my subscription

[22:51:09]

wagnerrp:

sending email through a roadrunner SMTP server didnt work either

[22:55:50]

sphery:

wagnerrp: weird

[22:56:33]

sphery:

you'd think that beirdo would have seen it coming in and being rejected if your smtp server were actually delivering it to mythtv.org

[22:56:46]

sphery:

might want to have him check for the more-recent one

[22:56:51]

sphery:

with the other smtp server

[22:57:07]

sphery:

and I /still/ want to know what that Atom message said...

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sphery:

I need my daily atom denial

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wagnerrp:

forwarded

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sphery:

heh, cool, thx

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you sure your SMTP server is relaying /anything/? I'm not seeing the message (and doesn't even seem to have hit my server)

[23:02:04]

wagnerrp:

i can send emails to myself, and other of my accounts

[23:02:21]

wagnerrp:

i have been sending emails to the developer list

[23:02:34]

wagnerrp:

and they have been showing up as expected

[23:02:53]

sphery:

you used your normal e-mail address for from?

[23:03:16]

wagnerrp:

yes

[23:03:36]

sphery:

definitely hasn't hit, yet

[23:03:43]

wagnerrp:

ive been doing it this way for years

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine both servers would change practice within a day of each other

[23:06:07]

sphery:

something is definitely up with your outgoing... you should try mailing iamlindoro and see if he gets it

[23:06:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i can send stuff to my other accounts, and see them there

[23:06:51]

sphery:

yeah, I'm actually checking my sendmail logs and haven't seen anything from that from hit my server

[23:06:58]

sphery:

so it's not just mail filtering

[23:07:04]

sphery:

(though you are on my whitelist)

[23:08:14]

sphery:

actually running a filter to catch any line with your first or last name in it

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sphery:

(filter on the logs, so I can see if something hits)

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sphery:

that's not my mail filter :)

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wagnerrp:

that one go through?

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sphery:

yes

[23:10:49]

wagnerrp:

so, theres something specifically wrong with the text in that email

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

how is that even possible?

[23:10:59]

sphery:

you're being censored!

[23:11:17]

sphery:

or message size?

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wagnerrp:

seriously, that makes no sense

[23:11:26]

wagnerrp:

it wasnt that long

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mianos:

It's got "I have an Atom PC" in it

[23:11:40]

sphery:

maybe try a test to me with a kB or 2 of random text?

[23:12:06]

sphery:

heh, and my log filter did show it going through :)

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wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/GMBh4vXq

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wagnerrp:

crap!

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wagnerrp:

'Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM detection filter.'

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sphery:

heh

[23:16:44]

sphery:

same text as e-mail?

[23:16:51]

wagnerrp:

same text as email

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wagnerrp:

there, page is up

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sphery:

for http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware link?

[23:17:39]

wagnerrp:

i find it hard to believe thats enough to filter off of

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sphery:

no joke

[23:17:53]

sphery:

maybe the Tom's 25W PC link?

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sphery:

pastebin is doing it for any link: http://pastebin.com/St1JF1ss

[23:18:44]

wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

but its still amusing im being blocked at every turn

[23:19:04]

sphery:

but if your outgoing mail server is filtering for spam, that's... crazy

[23:19:17]

wagnerrp:

but both zoomtown AND time warner?

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sphery:

and I don't have /any/ RBLs or spam filtering on mine

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wagnerrp:

two completely independent companies

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sphery:

weird

[23:19:52]

mianos:

I find it surprising that there is never an discussion on ION vs ION2. Just an observation.

[23:19:57]

mianos:

ION2 is not a 'ASIC'

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sphery:

I could copy the text into a message, then send it from my server using your from?

[23:20:10]

sphery:

just to see what happens... :)

[23:20:12]

wagnerrp:

mianos: sure it is, they both are, they all are

[23:20:28]

mianos:

It impliements, with the nvidia firmware, the old API but all the video processing is done with a set of CUDA processors

[23:20:38]

wagnerrp:

mianos: no, its not

[23:20:58]

wagnerrp:

the deinterlacing and scaling is all done on the shader cores

[23:21:04]

wagnerrp:

the video decoding is done within a custom ASIC

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mianos:

Application Specific Initegrated Circuit

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wagnerrp:

correct

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sphery:

mianos: that was ati's plan, and nvidia went with dedicated decoder hardware, so people said nvidia was doing it the expensive way

[23:21:33]

sphery:

then ati couldn't make it work with just shaders, so they added dedicated decoder hardware

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mianos:

OK, my missundterstanding then

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sphery:

and then everyone said, "wow, guess nvidia knew what they were doing"

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mianos:

I thought the decoding was done in the CUDA

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wagnerrp:

nope

[23:23:11]

wagnerrp:

thats why they can have successive generations of purevideo, each with different capabilities

[23:23:37]

wagnerrp:

if the decoding was done in software, there would be no reason why certain cards could do VC-1, while others could do MPEG4ASP

[23:23:43]

sphery:

wagnerrp: great reply, though

[23:23:45]

wagnerrp:

it would all be a function of power

[23:23:54]

wagnerrp:

sadly, it will never see the light of day

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sphery:

heh, I could help it on its way

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sphery:

I'd still be interested to know if it goes through with your from but sent via my server

[23:24:43]

wagnerrp:

mianos: in the case of VC-1, certain cards were lacing the entropy decompressor, and that WAS implemented in shader hardware for those systems

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wagnerrp:

s/lacing/lacking/

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sphery:

wagnerrp: or do you have a nice gmail account you set up the from on for this one?

[23:25:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery: nope, ive always sent everything from raymond at wagnerrp

[23:25:45]

wagnerrp:

i have a gmail account, but i never use it

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sphery:

right, just log into gmail, set its address to raymond@, then send the e-mail from their interface/via their servers

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sphery:

and see if it goes through

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wagnerrp:

but threading wouldnt work, and that would be... evil

[23:27:03]

sphery:

hmmm... don't know how to add headers to a gmail message

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, what about setting up gmail account as an SMTP server on your normal mail client?

[23:30:09]

sphery:

then swap smtp server, send, then swap back?

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** sphery really wants to know what broke **

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wagnerrp:

test email through gmail went through

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wagnerrp:

no, not gonna work

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wagnerrp:

it rewrites the FROM

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wagnerrp:

it actually puts the original from address into the gmail address with a '+caf_=<address>' after the account name

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sphery:

on gmail settings there's a "send as" or something

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sphery:

Mail Settings|Accounts and Import|Send mail as

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sphery:

you may need to change that, too, even if you use your own client

[23:38:50]

sphery:

but that might just do reply-to

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Beirdo:

something in here or nearby is going beep-beep-beep

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Beirdo:

but very quietly

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** wagnerrp wonders how many times hes going to send this thing before it goes through **

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sphery:

don't hear it on my irc client...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i thought we were off 'the cloud' and back on our own server

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wagnerrp:

look at that!

[23:41:50]

wagnerrp:

it worked!

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wagnerrp:

now to get gmail set up as my email relay

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sphery:

so it's likely some problem with your 2 different service providers?

[23:43:01]

wagnerrp:

perhaps theyre using the same filtering software?

[23:43:29]

sphery:

maybe they don't like "new.mythtv.org"?

[23:44:18]

wagnerrp:

new?

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sphery:

looks good, though--and threaded properly

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sphery:

see headers...

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sphery:

Received: from mythtv.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by new.mythtv.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3936EAE8E78;

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sphery:

guess, though, that would be on the inbound side...

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sphery:

so, nvm

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Beirdo:

we are still on the cloud

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Beirdo:

gonna get all the stuff off the old server, reformat, reinstall

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Beirdo:

then move it all back there

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