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Tuesday, March 1st, 2011, 00:05 UTC

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mycosys:

greetings fine lads and lasses on this fine day

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k-man:

greetings mycosys

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mycosys:

unusually quiet today

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k-man:

yes

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k-man:

sometimes i watch half a show, then have to break – is there a quick way to find shows i watched recently?

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sphery:

k-man: TV Playback/JUMPPREV ("Jump to previously played recording")

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sphery:

unbound by defauls

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k-man:

sphery: hmm... thanks

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sphery:

uses PREVCHAN in non-Live TV, too

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sphery:

(where that is H by default)

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sphery:

problem is you have to start playing something back to use it, though

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sphery:

I'd accept a patch that uses TV Frontend/JUMPPREV in Watch Recordings and starts that show playing

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sphery:

s/accept/love to see/

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sphery:

(it went on my TODO list, but that's not a short list)

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k-man:

sphery: or, how about if jumprev stepped through the watchrecordings list to each previously watched show?

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clgshaft:

Does anyone have two 2250's on one backend?

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sphery:

k-man: it does

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sphery:

it's a stack

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k-man:

the impression i got from you is that it plays the recording?

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sphery:

when you're playing a recording and you hit JUMPPREV, it goes to the last-played recording, then the one before that, then ...

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sphery:

it seems to know about ones you played in previous watching sessions, but I haven't dug into the code to see how

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sphery:

I'm pretty sure it's not writing stuff to the DB, so it's likely only within a single mythfrontend session

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sphery:

but that could be changed if appropriate

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mycosys:

damn you sphery – i am running out of buttons on my remote to bind and that one seems useful rofl

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mycosys:

nobody go to any effort to answer this – will look up at some point – but does myth record the entire mp2 PS from dvb-t, including subs? my sub button seems to do naff all on recordings and my fiancees sisters bf is deaf

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iamlindoro:

DVB-T is MPEG-TS, not PS, and yes, if there is a sub pid it gets recorded

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mycosys:

must have use the wrong keybinding :S

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iamlindoro:

Assuming you are on .24, just use the menu

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iamlindoro:

MENU->Subtitles->Select Subtitle

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mycosys:

so on ea subchannel on a carrier there are several transport streams? i had obviously misunderstood and thought there was oine ts with several ps inside

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iamlindoro:

any usable titles of any type will be visible

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mycosys:

using 0.22

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iamlindoro:

and no, no PS

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iamlindoro:

PS is program stream. PS is used for things like DVD

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iamlindoro:

a stream is one Transport Stream with multiple PIDs

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iamlindoro:

that is, a DVB stream is

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mycosys:

thank you once again for your elucidation iamlindoro – you seriously rock

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iamlindoro:

on .22 subtitle handling is fairly different

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mycosys:

had the same menu option

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iamlindoro:

it is much improved in .24, improved enough taht I would strongly suggest an upgrade to current .24-fixes

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mycosys:

but – messy way to do it

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mycosys:

will do sometime

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sphery:

mycosys: heh, we may be adding button-sequences to MythTV... there's a ticket for it and a preliminary patch (but it needs some care before it can go in)

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mycosys:

going to rebuild my old mythserver – do the upgrade on it, and then move the drive back to this one

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mycosys:

that would eb AWESOME sphery

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mycosys:

in a way that is beyond awesomeness

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mycosys:

thankfully the old and new servers are so closely related it is practical to move between them – one is nf4 with gt210 and sempron3800+, the other is nf4sli with 9600GT and x2 5200+

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mycosys:

stupid question – another i should research, but do you guys know off the top of your head if it is possible to unbind ctrl-alt-f1 to f4 from console switching in order to use them for something else? would love to use em as jump points (my remote is seen as a kb/mouse combo, great other than that and the uselesssness of the meta key on its own)

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mycosys:

possibly rebind em to f9-f12 lol

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tgm4883:

On 0.24 scheduling, MythTV should automatically not record shows that were previously marked as watched that are less than 364 days old right?

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tgm4883:

or is there additional setup required for that? I have a single schedule that seems to always want to record repeats, even though I've marked them as watched numerous times

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mycosys:

if it detects they are the same

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mycosys:

there is also a setting of how to detect repeats for ea schedule

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tgm4883:

yea, it's set to subtitle and description

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tgm4883:

And the episodes aren't generic either

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wagnerrp:

the detection method is only used if one or both episodes does not have an ID

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wagnerrp:

if they have IDs, and they have different IDs, they will be assumed to be different

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wagnerrp:

that cannot be disabled

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, bummer

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tgm4883:

not bummer that is the way it works, bummer that it seems they have different IDs

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mycosys:

where are you getting your listing info?

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mycosys:

tgm4883 ?

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tgm4883:

SD

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tgm4883:

sorry, walked out of the room

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mycosys:

if it were eit that would have explained it

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mycosys:

do you have eit scanning anabled on the channel involved?

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mycosys:

have had similar issues with eit overwriting goide info and causing both duplicates and missed recordings after setting it while i didnt have net for a few weeks (house move)

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mycosys:

had to go into each channel in the channel editor and remove it

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tgm4883:

Nope, SD only

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tgm4883:

I have two listings, but this particular show should only show up on one

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mycosys:

worth checking i would say

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tgm4883:

This show can only record on my HDPVR, which I only have one of

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mycosys:

go into the channel editor in mythtv-setup and check

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tgm4883:

opening now

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mycosys:

wb [R]

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tgm4883:

There is no check next to "use on air guide"

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[R]:

if its been over 12 hours

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tgm4883:

for that channel

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[R]:

"wb" isn't really appropriate

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mycosys:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/EIT

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mycosys:

try checking in ur listing source too

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kormoc:

you can't use EIT with a HDPVR

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mycosys:

is just an offchance – if either is set it might get rid of ur problem

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harrisonk:

!seen drindt

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MythLogBot:

drindt was last seen 7 hours 21 minutes 42 seconds ago

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kormoc:

tgm4883, by watched you mean deleted or you mean the watched flag on the recorded table entry?

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tgm4883:

kormoc, when I'm done watching a show, I hit the "Watched" flag. I don't delete any shows manually

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tgm4883:

so it should be marked as watched in the DB

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mycosys:

apologies

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tgm4883:

kormoc, now I don't remember ever seeing the show recorded twice on the hard drive. So the backend must have deleted it in the past after me marking it as watched

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tgm4883:

would that cause a re-record?

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tgm4883:

I'm trying to take a peek in the db now to see if I can find one of the old recorded duplicates and see if they have the same ID's

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kormoc:

Aye, I don't think the watch flag is stored after a recording expires

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kormoc:

but I'm trying to verify

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tgm4883:

kormoc, you know which field that would be? I see three in oldrecorded (duplicate recstatus reactivate)

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tgm4883:

that look worthy

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kormoc:

ahh. SELECT data FROM settings WHERE settings.value = 'RerecordWatched';

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tgm4883:

that returns a 1

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tgm4883:

so it looks enabled

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kormoc:

yeah

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tgm4883:

Is that a backend setting?

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tgm4883:

or somewhere in the frontend?

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kormoc:

it's set in the frontend but it's a global setting

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kormoc:

that said, I Don't see us honoring that in the autoexpire code...

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tgm4883:

hmm

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tgm4883:

well i'll make the change and see if some of these shows disappear from the recording schedule

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tgm4883:

will I need to run the scheduler to verify?

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kormoc:

1 is the value you want.

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kormoc:

oldrecorded.duplicate = 1 means do not record again

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kormoc:

I'd file a ticket if I was you, let someone take a look who knows that code better then I

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mycosys:

tgm4883 – you had an issue with the backend starting before udev finished, there is a guy with the same issue on #ubuntu-mythtv, would you help him?

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tgm4883:

kormoc, looking at the text of the setting in the frontend and what the value is when I query the DB again, it would seem that 0 is the desired result I want

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tgm4883:

I made the change, but figure I need to run the scheduler somehow to make the updates?

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kormoc:

hrm.. perhaps

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tgm4883:

or would a simple mythfilldatabase work?

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kormoc:

that would do it, aye

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tgm4883:

ok, let me run it

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend --resched might be faster, though

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iamlindoro:

(though it's likely too late ;) )

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, heh, yep too late

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tgm4883:

it's chugging away though

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tgm4883:

mythfilldatabase finished, doesn't appear to have removed those shows in upcoming recordings

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iamlindoro:

mfdb will ony by default add listings data to tomorrow and +14

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iamlindoro:

ie, two days

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iamlindoro:

if you need to clear the data you need to do --refresh-all --refresh-today

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iamlindoro:

or --dd-grab-all

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iamlindoro:

if all you need is a reschedule, mythbackend --resched will do that

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, yea I did --dd-grab-all

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tgm4883:

i'll try the --resched too though

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iamlindoro:

any concluded mfdb should trigger a resched at the end

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iamlindoro:

it may just be that you didn't manipulate the scheduling in the way you expected

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iamlindoro:

(but I haven't read the backlog and am stepping away from the PC)

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sphery:

tgm4883: are you sure they're actually duplicates?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Duplicate_matching , note especially the programid info

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tgm4883:

sphery, well they are duplicates from what the show is perspective, but from a technical standpoint I'm starting to think it's a data-listing issue

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sphery:

you need to compare programid

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tgm4883:

yea I'm looking for it now

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tgm4883:

I found oldrecorded, but where is upcoming stored?

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tgm4883:

is that just in programs?

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wagnerrp:

its not

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sphery:

oh, and all re-record watched does is say that when a show that's been watched gets autoexpired, it's deleted /and/ marked to allow re-record

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sphery:

if you change re-record watched tonight, it will only affect future recordings that get expired

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tgm4883:

sphery, ah, that might be the issue too

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sphery:

program is the listing, which is used to create upcoming recordings

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tgm4883:

is there a table specifically for upcoming?

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

all in memory

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sphery:

based on reschedule done against listings

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tgm4883:

ok, so I should be able to look in program and find the programid for the recording i'm looking at

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sphery:

iamlindoro / kormoc / wagnerrp : so, do you think maybe we should flip the default on "Re-record watched" (from true to false)

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iamlindoro:

yes

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tgm4883:

sphery, so in oldrecorded, i'm assuming one of these fields allows re-recording

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sphery:

duplicate

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sphery:

if 0, then it allows re-record

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sphery:

iamlindoro: cool, I'll do that (maybe tomorrow)

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sphery:

tgm4883: so, once you find the programid from program table, select recstatus, duplicate from oldrecorded where programid = 'whatever';

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tgm4883:

heh, some are set to 0, some are set to 1

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sphery:

any recstatus = -3 or 11 records with duplicate set to 1 will prevent re-record

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sphery:

even if you have additional records with duplicate = 0

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sphery:

i.e. only takes one match to prevent re-record

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tgm4883:

sphery, yep, this particular episode is showing duplicate = 0

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sphery:

for all episodes?

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tgm4883:

i'm betting that is my issue for all of these

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sphery:

er, all showings of that episode

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tgm4883:

yea for each of the same episode in oldrecorded

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tgm4883:

recstatus is either -3 or 8 on those

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sphery:

yeah, then you can go to mythfrontend Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded, find the episode, then Never record this show

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sphery:

8 just says it will record a later showing of the episode

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sphery:

it doesn't affect dup matches

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tgm4883:

ok then, so everything is working as it should and it isn't an issue with the listings

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sphery:

heh, right

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tgm4883:

now that i've made the re-record autoexpired shows change this should work as I want

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sphery:

but I will flip the default for re-record watched

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tgm4883:

sphery, awesome

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sphery:

when it first went in, true made sense, but now that most people tend to rely on (or, actually, have started to trust) autoexpire, makes more sense to have it disabled by default

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dashs:

I've changed fronted setup to jack:output and re-started but the jack port is not created or invisible with jack_lsp.

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tgm4883:

This is a low priority show that is rerun alot, so I'll just let it work itself out over time

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sphery:

heh, yeah, usually easiest

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tgm4883:

yep

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tgm4883:

thanks for the help sphery iamlindoro and kormoc

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iamlindoro:

np

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sphery:

yeah, seems kormoc knew it all along and I started to lead you astray

[03:34:16]

sphery:

fortunately I saw his comment once I started to catch up on scrollback

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sphery:

then I got more helpful :)

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sphery:

dashs: I don't know JACK, but: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/308808#308808

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tgm4883:

no worries, I have about 4 schedules that just record shows to make sure I have stuff to watch. This one is one I tend to keep up on so I knew that I had marked these as watched

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dashs:

sphery — join the crowd... thanx

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** sphery vows to never learn anything about the JACK Audio Connection Kit so he can keep saying that **

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sphery:

dashs: basically, that post seems to say you need to use "JACK:" not "JACK:output" --and note that it is case-sensitive

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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dashs:

sphery: checking it out — not using qjackctl, so I'm fumbling a bit

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sphery:

did you try just using "JACK:" for the MythTV setting value for Audio output device?

[03:45:48]

dashs:

yes, and defaulting the pass-thru device

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dashs:

Can't see any port being created by mythfrontend

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dashs:

I lnow jack is running OK — been using it for fluidsynth

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dashs:

opps know

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dashs:

Can't get frontend to create a jack output port — oh, well I can just stop jackd.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they made a joke about the iphone antenna in tonight's castle

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sphery:

heh, cool

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, Newton (from Fringe) is on Criminal Minds

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sphery:

must have a lot of money from the other universe--he's using iPhone 4's as burn phones

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mycosys:

burn phones?

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sphery:

yeah, like a phone you use to make a single call, then trash so they can't track you

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mycosys:

rofl

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mycosys:

seems fair, tho he must be buying em at apples cost (about $2 i reckon)

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** iamlindoro congratulates Beirdo on being the second official "real" user of mythtv's smolt server ;) **

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sphery:

woah, big brother is watching

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

mycosys, will you sell me ram at twice your estimated cost then?

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sphery:

kormoc: I'll buy some at $0.12 and sell it to you for $0.08--but I can make up for the loss in volume

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mycosys:

my cost – or the process manufacturing cost befor R&D?

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kormoc:

mycosys, I'd by 8 gigs of ram for twice your estimate of $2...

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mycosys:

lol

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mycosys:

so would i

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mycosys:

unfortunately there is money to be made

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kormoc:

I'd say 100% profit over your estimate is money

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, rewrite the smolt scripts to use http://packages.python.org/pyudev/ , I'll be back in the morning to check your progress

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iamlindoro:

;)

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mycosys:

why make 100% when you and the rest of the chain can make 1000%ea (apart from the retailer naturally)

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iamlindoro:

(since apparently not everyone will have hal installed, and hal was replaced by devicekit, but devicekit has been replaced by libudev, and that's the python interface)

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iamlindoro:

yay linux

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sphery:

p-yu-dev... sounds disgusting

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kormoc:

Because sadly they don't make nearly 1000% profit

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sphery:

at least not until you count the residuals from the networks and 30% off the top of all app store purchases

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Beirdo:

OMG. My backend will be recording until 2am

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mycosys:

jesus – royal comission into a trowaway line about trash phones

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Beirdo:

here I am wanting to restart it...

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mycosys:

bear in mind they are $800 or so here

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kormoc:

Ignoring the software, R&D, custom case, cables, etc, it's only ~$190 to build a iphone 4 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1719 . . . ost-usd18751

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Shadow__X:

that is the same for most top end smart phones though

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mycosys:

including shipping, profit for fab,k profit for foxconn etctecetc

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sphery:

can't discount the R&D costs, though... I mean how many billions have they spent trying to figure out how to make a white case for the 4s?

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kormoc:

but hey, a iphone in an altoid's case is still a iphone!

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Beirdo:

ignoring the software and R&D... in other words, pretending that it didn't cost anything to develop (which is far from true)

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sphery:

just like MythTV--no cost to develope

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, it just instantly appears

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kormoc:

the A4 cpu was free to make after all. Some bloke in R&D just said, make me a processor that will do what I want and it magically appeared

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sphery:

yeah, it grows organically out of comments about WAF on the list

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Shadow__X:

fully checked out too. No issues and fully finished

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Beirdo:

I know business people at work... who think that way

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sphery:

kormoc: "Computer, create a processor to..." I learned all my engineering and software development skills on ST:TNG

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kormoc:

Indeed! The future is now!

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Beirdo:

The future is yesterday!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

I think we can all agree, the past is over

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

Tell that to most people with ex-lovers...

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sphery:

but if you ever go back in time, don't step on anything!

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Beirdo:

no, just kick yourself in the nuts repeatedly so you don't make the mistakes you did

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Beirdo:

Trust me, you'll thank me later!

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Beirdo:

BOOT.

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kormoc:

Sounds like Beirdo hasn't had enough beer or too much beer today

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

the former

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mycosys:

hmmmm beer

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mycosys:

nah shouldnt

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Beirdo:

but I am trying to score an antique fridge to become my kegerator

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kormoc:

mycosys, yes, you should get sloshed right now

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Beirdo:

1951 General Electric

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mycosys:

hmmmm, bourbon

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mycosys:

is 5 to 4 pm kormoc

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kormoc:

so?

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Beirdo:

it's always beer:30

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

because right now its beer:55

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Beirdo:

hehe, oh, good point

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sphery:

woah, how did I miss that they made a movie out of "A Sound of Thunder"

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Beirdo:

one way or another, I will have a kegerator in a week or two

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sphery:

perhaps the 4.1/10 rating had something to do with it

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Beirdo:

if I can't score the old fridge, I'll just buy one from a supplier online

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

not doing the beer-can-design one?

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Beirdo:

nah, that would be funny though

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Beirdo:

but lifting a keg 4ft up off the floor... wouldn't be fun

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sphery:

true

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sphery:

isn't there an X game that does that

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Beirdo:

probably

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Beirdo:

a full 1/2 barrel keg is about 160–170lb

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Beirdo:

having to lift that up and into a Red Bull can-shaped cooler... not fun

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sphery:

ah, it's a keg toss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keg_Tossing

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Beirdo:

ah, that's wussie.. empty kegs?

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Beirdo:

:)

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mycosys:

could always jus make a TEC belt for it beirdo lol

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sphery:

yeah, not nearly as impressive as I had thought

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Beirdo:

I still couldn't hurl one far

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mycosys:

put the fridge on the keg, rather then the keg in the fridge

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sphery:

nor I

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Beirdo:

but far less impressive when empty

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sphery:

mycosys: heh

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mycosys:

should work

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mycosys:

lack insulation of courde lol

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mycosys:

*course

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Beirdo:

anyways, still need to hear back on if they can deliver the fridge to me :)

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mycosys:

could solve that tho – setup the tec belt in 2 balves with a hinge, make a mold around it and an empty keg, inject expanding foam

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

easier to just get a kegerator

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mycosys:

would be far cooler potentially tho

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mycosys:

and v light and easy to fit

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** kormoc thinks mycosys is not a apple purchaser **

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mycosys:

you are correct

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

have an eyePhone

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kormoc:

clean design is so underrated by most people

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mycosys:

am an engineering student and electronic teck – what use would i have for an apple?

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mycosys:

*tech

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kormoc:

you'll understand one day

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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mycosys:

i have a g4 – wouldnt mind a g5

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Beirdo:

?!

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mycosys:

you will understand someday – when u get hairy

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** Beirdo caresses his MacBook **

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** kormoc blinks at mycosys **

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** mycosys admires his latitude **

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Beirdo:

mycosys has obviously never met me.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

a latitude?

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mycosys:

e6400

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kormoc:

For most of us, we're well past the peak of the amount of hair we'll ever get. it's all on it's way out by now

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mycosys:

luckily none o that in my fam

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mycosys:

and i fervently deny any grey

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen a dell of sufficient build quality to be worth buying

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mycosys:

youve never seen a lt then

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mycosys:

*lat

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mycosys:

at leaat not the full metal bodied units

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wagnerrp:

the ones ive seen are all flimsy crap

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mycosys:

*least

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kormoc:

Ooh, I've taken plenty apart to fix their broken flimsy plastic guts before

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I've seen Dell workstations that are well put together

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mycosys:

not a lat you havent

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Beirdo:

but, dell annoys me still

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mycosys:

they are the same machine as the precision notebooks with a different gpu

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kormoc:

ooh, my mistake, I would have thought I'd know my memory better then you would, given it's in my head and all..

[05:09:22]

wagnerrp:

nothing like my tankpad which took a 4' fall to a tile floor

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mycosys:

so did my lat

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wagnerrp:

with the only effect being it broke up a clump of dust on the heatsink

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and made a loud clatter

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mycosys:

no effect here

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wagnerrp:

pissed off someone

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wagnerrp:

she had just finished cleaning off that table

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mycosys:

apart from some raised eyebrows

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wagnerrp:

i put my laptop on it, start it up, and it blows out a wad of dust

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Beirdo:

hair ball... ACK!

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mycosys:

kormoc – how can a metal machine have flimsy plastic guts?

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mycosys:

fyi the flimsiest machine i have ever seen was a thinkpad

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mycosys:

was held together by the tension of its skin

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wagnerrp:

i cant speak on the quality of current TPs

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kormoc:

mycosys, the outer case may be metal, but a ton of the connection points holding the drives in place are thin plastic pieces that have a tenancy to sheer off

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Beirdo:

Toshiba FTW for the crappiest ever

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wagnerrp:

mine is circa 2001

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mycosys:

not in an e6400 or e6500 kormoc

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mycosys:

this was 2nd hand in 2001 lol

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mycosys:

the tp that is

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kormoc:

uh huh

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Beirdo:

I need TP for my bunghole!

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Beirdo:

I miss Beavis & Butthead

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Beirdo:

hehe

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mycosys:

sigh

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mycosys:

ur arguing with me about a laptop i had in peices infront of me an hour ago

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Beirdo:

I am Cornholio! Are you threatening me?

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mycosys:

the only plastic part holding a drive is the quick removal mechanism on the e modular insert

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mycosys:

can add a screw if it conerns you – metal to metal then

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mycosys:

but given i use a 2nd hdd in there that would be silly

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kormoc:

Ooh, I'm not arguing, I'm just waiting for you to stop talking about it

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Beirdo:

LOL

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Shadow__X:

i lifted a gaming asus laptop by its edge and i heard quite a bit of plastic moving about

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mtrax:

hi, I'm trying to find out if a commit has been appliy to my package eg Ticket #9361

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mtrax:

my MythTV Version : v0.24-189-ge0a7720

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mtrax:

how do I marry those to up ?

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mtrax:

ie https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/649fa . . . 657a11cd178/ and my MythTV version

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wagnerrp:

the milestone is set to 0.25

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wagnerrp:

were it backported to fixes, the milestone would be 0.24.1

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mtrax:

no backport of that fix?

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[R]:

tahts not a fix

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[R]:

thats a feture

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mtrax:

new feature ?

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[R]:

no... he added an old feature...

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** [R] shakes his head **

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wagnerrp:

its at the discretion of the developer whether a fix warrants backporting

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wagnerrp:

usually depends on how bad the problem is, and how easy it would be to apply to the old code

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mtrax:

ok, so when is 0.25 targetted for approx?

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wagnerrp:

initially, we were hoping for may/june

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kormoc:

when it's done

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mtrax:

naturally

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wagnerrp:

but that doesnt look like its going to happen

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[R]:

kormoc: that's what she said

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wagnerrp:

were a long ways off from the primary goal of 0.25

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mtrax:

ok thanks, still living in hope to fix my sound issues with out of sync voice caused by the buffer issues

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mtrax:

been living with his sound issue for 6–12 months now..

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mtrax:

I live in hope one of this patches my fix my problem.. as I've tried everything that I can think of and other people too..

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[R]:

so try it out and see if it fixes your problem

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mtrax:

Im using rpms not source

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[R]:

and?

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kormoc:

mtrax, you can talk to the sound guy and see if he'll backport

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mtrax:

"ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun" and " Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAdDLL"

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mtrax:

ok I'll ping JVA to see if he can, thanks

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kormoc:

mtrax, and I assume you've re-scanned audio sources until you were blue in the face?

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mtrax:

been there done that...

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mtrax:

I've even tried to get my HDMI output working .. with out succes so far...

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wagnerrp:

this smolt stuff sure has a lot of dependencies

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Beirdo:

I only found hal and python-urlgrabber

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wagnerrp:

dbus, pydbus, simplejson

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Beirdo:

interesting

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Beirdo:

I musta already had them somehow

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wagnerrp:

freebsd is barfing getting policykit installed

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kormoc:

I wish policykit never existed... ugh... what a pile...

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wagnerrp:

seems its expecting a whole bunch of xsl files to exist locally... only they arent

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wagnerrp:

i require a version of glib that isnt even available on freebsd to compile?

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clgshaft:

With the 2250, I should get two digital tuners right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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clgshaft:

Second tuner gets no signal

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clgshaft:

Tried two cards

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clgshaft:

Do other card fw conflict?

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

youre saying you have two 2250s and the second one doesnt get any signal?

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clgshaft:

Just seems I can't get anything to work right

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wagnerrp:

or you have a single, with adapter0 and adapter1, and adapter1 does not receive signal?

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clgshaft:

Yes

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clgshaft:

Nothing on adapter1

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clgshaft:

Tried allowing 2 and 1 recording in each

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wagnerrp:

you dont happen to be using video1 currently are you?

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clgshaft:

I have video 1 too, using video

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clgshaft:

Svideo

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wagnerrp:

you cannot use video0 and adapter0 at the same time

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wagnerrp:

similarly, you cannot use video1 and adapter1 at the same time

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clgshaft:

You mean to watch tv?

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wagnerrp:

you cannot be recording off them simultaneously

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clgshaft:

I'm only watching one at a time

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clgshaft:

Recording nothing

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clgshaft:

Is that normal?

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clgshaft:

If I setup the second 2250, it crashes the kernel

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Casper0082:

clgshaft: Yes, a 2250 has two digital tuners and I do run two of them in my backend

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clgshaft:

What distro?

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Casper0082:

I never had a panic running them both

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Casper0082:

ubuntu

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clgshaft:

Analog?

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Casper0082:

nah, just digital

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clgshaft:

The card works fine, analog svideo, and digital, just the second tuner is nit working

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clgshaft:

Not

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clgshaft:

For digital

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mycosys:

sweet – ctrl-alt-Fn can be rebound to alt-sysrq-Fn

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clgshaft:

If I setup for analog cable I get two tuners

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clgshaft:

Thanks guys

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: were you intending to do a mythweb ebuild?

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wagnerrp:

erm, nevermind... seems theres one there

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kormoc:

Aye, someone submitted one, I pulled it in

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wagnerrp:

you want a '--mythweb' flag for the ebuild builder? or are you fine just using '--packages=www-apps/mythweb'?

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Casper0082:

clgshaft: are you having problems when trying to watch analog and digital at the same time?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, whichever. It uses a different repo so I wasn't sure how best to add it in

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it would have to be a separate call since it would be a new hash

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_mashi:

who kow how to config mythtv to record 16:9 ? it always resize to 4:3

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[R]:

it records whatever you give it

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_mashi:

[R] : hmm.. i record tv and it resize to 4:#

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_mashi:

4:3

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[R]:

did yo uset your zoom setting wrong?

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_mashi:

[R] for recording ?

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[R]:

[11:51:21] [R] it records whatever you give it

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kormoc:

_mashi, what are you using to record?

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Beirdo:

go, kegworks.com

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Beirdo:

it's at a RHEL test page

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Beirdo:

as of a couple minutes ago

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

what is kegworks?

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Beirdo:

they sell parts, etc for beer keg setups

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[R]:

oh

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mianos:

myth plugin for kegs!

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mianos:

woot!

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Beirdo:

It would be cool to be able to setup a webserver to tell me how much beer I have in each keg, the pressures in the kegs and in the CO2 tank, the temperatures... :)

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wagnerrp:

would that be called a fountain of fancy?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it would be kegerator.ipv6.beirdo.ca

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it I can find a way to measure all that fun stuff safely and digitally, I'd put a small board on there to do it.

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[R]:

i went to this guys house this weekend

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[R]:

and he had a setup that was moniotring his power usage in real time

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[R]:

so if he can do that

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[R]:

you can monitor your keg i bet

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kormoc:

it's not about if you can or you can't. It's about if you have enough money to make it happen

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Beirdo:

monitoring liquid level inside a sealed keg... is not simple

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

Beirdo, meh. Digital scale

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Beirdo:

true enough

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[R]:

cam

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[R]:

can't you monitor pressure or anything

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kormoc:

pressure is unrelated to liquid level

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Beirdo:

temperature up the side of the keg, sure

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Beirdo:

but it's not foolproof

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floppyears:

I have an odd problem with mythtv after a recent upgrade. When I try to watch any ota tv, I get a blank screen like it's going to play, but then it crashes :(

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floppyears:

have you guys seen/heard of problems like this before?

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Beirdo:

off to the troubleshooting/debugging page with ya :) get a backtrace :)

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Beirdo:

my setup crashes in bursts, but then again, I run master... plus stuff I haven't even pushed to github yet

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Beirdo:

but basically, get the backtrace from the core dump, and the appropriate logs, and it's a good start for a ticket so we can debug. Oh, and --version :)

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floppyears:

thanks Beirdo

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Beirdo:

no problemo

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floppyears:

is 0.23 more stable than 0.24 ?

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Beirdo:

it may even show you well enough that you can determine what is causing the crash too

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Beirdo:

not that I recall

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floppyears:

how do you get a bakctrace?

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Beirdo:

pretty sure thats covered on the debugging page on the wiki

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Beirdo:

use a debug build, then use gdb

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Beirdo:

hehe, I could replace the gauges with digital ones that have current loop tranmission...

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Beirdo:

replace $10 analog gauges (4 of em) with $250 ones...

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Beirdo:

hahaha... $40 -> $1k

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Beirdo:

not worth it

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floppyears:

thanks Beirdo

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Beirdo:

no prob

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ServerSage:

So I'm seeing a lot of these in dmesg and am wondering how to track them down: [11821.433323] mythpreviewgen[3680]: segfault at 7f6e19582210 ip 00007f6e2d3055fb sp 00007f6e1298af48 error 7 in libmythavcodec.so.52.86.1[7f6e2d046000+423000]

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ServerSage:

And also the first time I run mythcommflag each day it spews "AFD Error: Unknown decoding error" over and over again.

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rooaus:

Beirdo: A lot of liquid level sensors are capacitive. But maybe the easy way is a load cell, the weight of the kegs should be pretty good.

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Beirdo:

yeah, probably

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justinh:

gah why must the android gmail app suck so much? think I should try going to pop3

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justinh:

oo, could it be that thread has been successfully snuffed out? Hope so

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ptriller:

Hi, nuvexport/mythtranscode messes up my audio when I use it to transcode h.264 HD programs. I noticed the original stream has 50 Hz

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ptriller:

the audio is in slowmotion in the result, is this a bug or do I need a newer version, or am I doing something wron ?

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justinh:

audio is slow motion? sounds like it could just be a samplerate your soundcard doesn't support

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justinh:

run ffmpeg -i on the transcoded file & see what it reports as the audio sample rate

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justinh:

looking to see if I can get a new scaler/output board for the lab's LCD TV & I'm frankly shocked how cheap replacement video boards are

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mianos:

Is there a way to run a command on a keypress if you don't run lirc?

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mianos:

My remote is a HID

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drindt:

wagnerrp: hallo, maybe i have found that issue what is preventing from updating the epg.

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drindt:

the weird is that when i try watch the channel a dialog appears what is telling me about channel lock, but why locking that channel? no one is using it actually.

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drindt:

maybe there someting is locked in the database, or wrong with the input sources or similar?

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jd:

hello world

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jd is now known as Guest73441

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Guest73441:

hello world

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Guest73441:

anybody out there?

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justinh:

nobody who wants to talk to somebody using a web IRC gateway :P

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Guest73441:

just jailbroke my apple tv, installed mythtv, can anybody help me configyre the settings?

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justinh:

oh dear

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Guest73441:

trying to wind a windows 7 compatible backend for it

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Guest73441:

find

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justinh:

there isn't a backend you can run on windows AFAIK

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justinh:

or maybe there is but I know this much – you'd need a networked tuner

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justinh:

see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Windows

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iamlindoro:

justinh is correct, there is no windows backend, and the apple TV is a useless myth system, give up now

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Guest73441:

thanks, just thought id ask here

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justinh:

appletv.. pfft

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justinh:

saw a vid of xbmc running on the ATV2 (1080P!! LOL) & was almost tempted but then thought.. meh.. XBMC

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wagnerrp:

justinh: presumably, that device has the same decode capacity as the pulsobo hardware (since its running the same chip)

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wagnerrp:

apple artificially limits the capability, but the XBMC guys found some underlying, undocumented API that they hoped would give them full access

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justinh:

it allegedly does now

[15:51:36]

wagnerrp:

what they are actually capable of pulling out of it... is still undocumented

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wagnerrp:

well this was all what they released in early january, which they themselves considered pre-alpha

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wagnerrp:

buggy, unstable, but the userbase went nuts with it

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justinh:

I wouldn't be too bothered about 1080P res playback, not when the whole hardware is Â£99

[15:52:43]

justinh:

ah but then I remember the crappy remote

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justinh:

the really crappy Apple remote

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wagnerrp:

who needs more than six buttons?

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justinh:

ME

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justinh:

anyhoo, good day today. improved the wifi reception of my droid phone by a very large factor. stupid cheap printed antennas

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justinh:

the antennas are all mounted on a plastic housing – self adhesive stuff & the contact area is underneath. the printed antenna stuff goes through a hole in the inner rear cover.. and the wifi antenna one had a minute crack where it was folded over

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Dracos-Carazza:

hui folks

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Dracos-Carazza:

how can I use my own epg grabber command?

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justinh:

short answer is: you can't, not without resorting to making your own xmltv grabber

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wagnerrp:

correct, you write a script or program to generate the proper XMLTV format file

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wagnerrp:

and then import that into mythtv

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Dracos-Carazza:

you mean the output of the script?

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justinh:

yes. it has to be in xmltv format

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Dracos-Carazza:

is it :)

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Dracos-Carazza:

how can I import it? via mythfilldatabase?

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justinh:

mythfilldatabase --help will tell you

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wagnerrp:

if the output is in xmltv format, then you just use it like any other xmltv grabber

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Dracos-Carazza:

ok i will try it :)

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dashs:

I have a fundamental problem with mythtv setup back and front — I can't determine what the editing paradigm is on the multi-select items like main audio device. This documented?

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wagnerrp:

you want to do what?

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sphery:

dashs: it's an editable combobox, so you can select an item from the list using left/right keys or you can type a new value using other keys

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sphery:

only requirement is that you provide a valid value :)

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CiaranG:

The audio select one is a bit of a funny one, because you can only select from the list if you hit 'scan for audio devices' first

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sphery:

ah, didn't realize that--that's new since the scan

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sphery:

thanks for the extra info

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CiaranG:

I found myself pressing left/right and wondering why nothing was happening the first time I saw that screen

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CiaranG:

Although, iirc, it does actually tell you on the screen that you need to scan first

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iamlindoro:

Of course, in trunk you can just use the simple setup wizard and the devices are scanned on the way into that screen... not to mention it's idiot-proof and prettier :)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/audio.png

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iamlindoro:

Little, simple, different

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wagnerrp:

NEVER say that

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wagnerrp:

else someone finds an idiot to prove you wrong

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iamlindoro:

heh, the idiot-proof part?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, that was my line

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skd5aner:

is there a "theme" or specific goals for this current development cycle?

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kormoc:

"Git it done"

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv-setup is the primary goal for this cycle

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skd5aner:

I'm seeing a lot of cool little pet projects by several folks, but nothing that looks like a consistent goal across all the devs

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wagnerrp:

effectively, yes

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skd5aner:

what's the current ETA for freeze?

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skd5aner:

... or a target release month

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iamlindoro:

none

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skd5aner:

k – I thought the new methodology was approx. ~6 month cycles?

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iamlindoro:

it was/is

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skd5aner:

just curious if that was still the thinking or just seeing how it goes?

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iamlindoro:

There's just no firm freeze date because the guy who had to crack the whip the last two or three cycles to try to make those goals actually happen has gotten a little tired of all the distress it causes

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skd5aner:

the joys of being a project manager

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skd5aner:

always have to play bad cop

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iamlindoro:

Since there's no indication that any large projects will be starting soon, I would suspect we will set a freeze date somewhere just after the dust settles on the next ffmpeg sync

[18:31:09]

iamlindoro:

So probably still roughly on-time, just nothing revelatory in .25

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iamlindoro:

A few things that I think are important features, but no "big big" projects

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skd5aner:

heck – control via remote of MNV is enough for me to want the next release

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iamlindoro:

ie, usability improvements, stability, HD audio passthrough, remote in MNV, menus in blu-ray

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iamlindoro:

those are the big ones that come to mind

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iamlindoro:

anyway, off to run

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skd5aner:

how are the menus in blu-ray progressing?

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skd5aner:

alright – later

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veehexx2:

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: trac commit hooks work now – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /078514.html ?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yeah, fixed that on saturday

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skd5aner:

who did?

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** wagnerrp did **

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wagnerrp:

two hours tracking it down, turns out to be a single wrong line

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** skd5aner prepares to shower wagnerrp in gifts **

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wagnerrp:

seriously, one line

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skd5aner:

nice

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skd5aner:

I see a lot of dupe emails in the mailman archive though on the 27'th

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wagnerrp:

my fault

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skd5aner:

I'm sure those probably worked their way through

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Beirdo:

well, my fault and wagnerrp's fault :)

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** skd5aner forgives **

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Beirdo:

we were both messing with things :)

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wagnerrp:

merge commit into a feature branch got picked up by the commit hook

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wagnerrp:

and the commit hook was not set up to filter out feature branches

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skd5aner:

"feature branch" everything except for master and -fixes?

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Beirdo:

the trac hook, right?

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wagnerrp:

now only commits to the master and fixes/0.* branches will have effect on trac

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Beirdo:

good work, my man :)

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skd5aner:

you guys do track mythweb repository changes the same way right?

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skd5aner:

I just haven't seen any in a long time and haven't manually went out and checked github

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Beirdo:

yes, I believe so

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Beirdo:

let me check

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skd5aner:

I know kormoc and team usually work in batches anyway

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wagnerrp:

mythweb uses the same master and fixes/0.* style

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Beirdo:

it will only hit the email hook, but yes

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Beirdo:

trac is only connected to the mythtv repo

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skd5aner:

is that a limitation, or just haven't gotten around to allowing the mythweb repo to do it as well?

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Beirdo:

it's not allowing mythweb... it's trac only being designed for one

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kormoc:

skd5aner, xris is doing a massive rewrite right now so until that's done there's little use doing anything else to it

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Beirdo:

I'm sure if we wanted it to, we could adjust, but basically if you see a SHA1 in trac, it's going to assume it's in the mythtv repo

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skd5aner:

kormoc: ahhh, good to know – thanks

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Beirdo:

kormoc: other than minor tweaks, but we don't need many if any, thankfully )

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skd5aner:

I keep my blinders typicall on what's mentioned in here (when I happen to be looking) and what gets sent to -commits, so I don't always see the whole picture

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Beirdo:

couldn't blame ya

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Beirdo:

far too much going on to try to keep the big picture in the brain most of the time

[18:57:51]

kormoc:

Money goes into the account... Money gets removed from the account... it seems so pointless some days...

[19:00:13]

xris:

kormoc: my massive rewrite is essentially dead.

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sphery:

ah, and here I thought kormoc finally figured out FOSS and told you to completely rewrite MythWeb in Python

[19:06:14]

xris:

I briefly considered doing it in mojolicious and perl, but then I remembered that kormoc knows where I live.

[19:06:26]

sphery:

heh

[19:06:33]

wagnerrp:

lock the doors, get the shotgun

[19:06:50]

kormoc:

I figured the world was gonna end when I created https://github.com/kormoc/OpenMonr

[19:07:29]

xris:

kormoc: I'd actually be willing to work on a django type project... :)

[19:08:43]

kormoc:

you have commit access

[19:08:48]

sphery:

Could do it in Java using some beyond-the-basics-of-the-spec JavaServer Faces implementation and using features that only work properly with Oracle's JVM (and not OpenJDK/IcedTea). Then, not only would people have to figure out how to configure a Java app server, but they'd also need to run Oracle's binary, and some specific implementation of JSF.

[19:08:55]

sphery:

I have a feeling that tons of users would love that...

[19:09:08]

kormoc:

and if some python guru like wagnerrp wanted access, could arrange that too... ;)

[19:09:23]

xris:

kormoc: I meant for mythweb. :P

[19:09:35]

kormoc:

sphery, ooh, we'd just package it in a vm image that they could deploy to ec2 and use!

[19:09:36]

** xris got very upset at PHP's lack of mixins. **

[19:09:38]

kormoc:

xris, bah!

[19:09:51]

sphery:

kormoc: nice... then it's "cloud-ified"

[19:09:55]

** kormoc revokes xris' access **

[19:10:05]

wagnerrp:

personally, id love to see any significant rewrite be dropping apache for some embedded server

[19:10:24]

wagnerrp:

even if it just meant the same exact mythweb code using an internal php interpreter

[19:11:00]

sphery:

I'm not a fan of that... at least not until we have a useful embedded server

[19:11:00]

sphery:

and even then, I don't really think creating our own apache is useful

[19:11:00]

kormoc:

What ever happened to the backend guys writing their one c++ based mythweb?

[19:11:13]

wagnerrp:

never got past a mention by stuartm

[19:11:13]

sphery:

if there's a drop-in embedded web server (to HTTP as embedded MySQL is to MySQL), then I'm all for it

[19:11:25]

wagnerrp:

unless youre talking about the mythtv-setup stuff?

[19:11:26]

sphery:

but if it's a "roll-your-own" server, I don't like the plan

[19:11:31]

wagnerrp:

yeah... that never really went anywhere either

[19:11:51]

sphery:

oh, and Tomcat embedded isn't a good choice :)

[19:12:37]

kormoc:

meh, what folks* want is a service where you hit up mythweb on mythweb.mythtv.org, punch in credentials and have it phone home to do the work.

[19:12:51]

sphery:

http://www.hughes.com.au/products/libhttpd/ ...

[19:12:54]

kormoc:

*folks being the non-paranoid folks, paranoid folks would run and hide

[19:13:01]

sphery:

only problem is it seems it hasn't been updated since Feb 2005

[19:13:50]

sphery:

heh, how about this for MythWeb: http://portolano.cs.washington.edu/projects/hydra/

[19:14:09]

xris:

sphery: lol

[19:14:24]

sphery:

sales could go toward funding xris and kormoc's retirement

[19:14:57]

kormoc:

xris, but yeah, if you want to rewrite mythweb in python, go ahead. More maintainers are a good thing and sadly php guys with free time are rare it seems

[19:15:31]

sphery:

kormoc: and it will make that one user happy--and help him to learn that his approach of threatening a developer is how to get your way in FOSS

[19:15:40]

kormoc:

Indeed!

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harrisonk:

what is this I hear about a wythweb rewrite in python?

[19:17:22]

harrisonk:

*mythweb

[19:17:31]

wagnerrp:

harrisonk: inside joke

[19:17:49]

xris:

harrisonk: yeah. it's actually Ruby.

[19:17:55]

** xris ducks **

[19:18:04]

harrisonk:

RUBY!!!

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wagnerrp:

several years back, some user demanded kormoc rewrite mythweb using python in a private email, claiming bending to the users' every will was the 'open source way'

[19:18:16]

harrisonk:

what's wrong with Python?

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[19:18:30]

wagnerrp:

nothing, its just not php

[19:18:39]

wagnerrp:

php being the language mythweb is currently written in

[19:18:48]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: mind kicking that guy for me

[19:19:03]

wagnerrp:

what guy?

[19:19:11]

harrisonk:

the guy in the email

[19:19:20]

wagnerrp:

kormoc no longer has the email in question

[19:19:22]

harrisonk:

the "some user"

[19:19:30]

harrisonk:

I know

[19:19:42]

harrisonk:

well I don't but still

[19:19:48]

wagnerrp:

cant very well kick them if we dont know who he is

[19:19:58]

harrisonk:

that guy didn't do his reasearch

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jaervosz:

does anyone have any success with hdmi output to a panasonic tx-32lxd85f, i only get garbled output at low resolution and blank screen going any higher

[19:20:25]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: it was just a joke

[19:20:30]

harrisonk:

and it wasn't me

[19:21:14]

sphery:

I still think that rewriting MythWeb and then convincing people we used Ruby on Rails would be easy... <?php echo 'Application Error (Rails)' ?>

[19:21:15]

harrisonk:

jaervosz: I wish I had something that size to begin with

[19:21:36]

sphery:

minus the last ?

[19:21:42]

harrisonk:

why isn't is ruby on roads?

[19:21:56]

jaervosz:

harrisonk: it's not that big, though the blank screen seems intimidating:)

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harrisonk:

jaervosz: is it a flat screen?

[19:22:26]

harrisonk:

or CRT type?

[19:22:37]

jaervosz:

harrisonk: yeah 32" hd ready

[19:22:46]

harrisonk:

jaervosz: awesome

[19:23:04]

harrisonk:

HD ready what does that mean?

[19:23:17]

harrisonk:

you in Canada?

[19:23:30]

jaervosz:

jaervosz: no in europe, it's 720p not 1080

[19:23:38]

harrisonk:

ah I see

[19:23:40]

sphery:

HD Ready typically means it's lacking a tuner/demuxer/decoder

[19:23:57]

harrisonk:

sphery: thanks

[19:23:58]

sphery:

i.e. it's a monitor that can accept HDTV via some non-ATSC/non-QAM signal

[19:24:14]

sphery:

(like Component, VGA, DVI, HDMI, ...)

[19:24:53]

harrisonk:

I need some guidence on this card: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechniSat_Air2PC-ATSC-PCI

[19:24:58]

jaervosz:

it was working perfectly with my nmt a-100 via hdmi

[19:25:28]

harrisonk:

down near the bottom of the page it says how to install the firmware

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harrisonk:

but when I follow it it, during the download of the kernel modual (i think) is says there is no server to find what it needs

[19:28:01]

harrisonk:

any ideas?

[19:30:05]

harrisonk:

also where does the script get the files from?

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harrisonk:

any ideas anyone?

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blizzard_:

Question: each time I start the backend, I get the following error message.

[19:41:16]

blizzard_:

Warning: Your frequency setting (10934000) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000)

[19:41:28]

blizzard_:

I know what it says, but what does it mean?

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wagnerrp:

it means you or someone else did bad things in the database

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blizzard_:

oh

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blizzard_:

thats usually me =(

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blizzard_:

havnt fiddled with frequencies tho

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skd5aner:

I'm a bit confused – is the "hardware profiler" part of the mythsmolt that's been branched off or is it already included in master? http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /078641.html

[19:54:29]

kormoc:

I have no idea

[19:54:53]

kormoc:

I thought it was in master but my build last night doesn't seem to include it

[19:54:59]

Beirdo:

it is in master

[19:55:39]

Beirdo:

to get to it, you go to Setup -> Setup Wizard, I think it is

[19:56:03]

Beirdo:

and you need to update your theme (Arclight has a new version out with the support)

[19:56:17]

ServerSage:

So every time I run mythcommflag I'm getting "AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error" and the a segmentation fault. :( This is on files created from an hdpvr, if that has relevance.

[19:56:25]

kormoc:

ahh

[19:57:01]

Beirdo:

otherwise it will complain in the frontend log that your theme doesn't support the required windows, or something along those lines

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I couldn't track down where that was merged into core?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: so is the openmonr supposed to be like cacti?

[19:58:46]

Beirdo:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/4ecbd . . . 625993dc6594

[19:58:50]

skd5aner:

I guess, to even ask a dumber question – is the "Hardware profiler" part of mythsmolt, or part of something else?

[19:59:06]

Beirdo:

there is no mythsmolt

[19:59:15]

wagnerrp:

or more like ganglia?

[19:59:17]

Beirdo:

it is called the Hardware Profiler :)

[19:59:18]

skd5aner:

well, the "evolution" of?

[19:59:23]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, combo of the two

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Beirdo:

it's a mythtv frontend for connecting to our smolt server

[19:59:52]

skd5aner:

k – thanks

[20:00:10]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: how come that commit says "Merge branch 'master' into simple-smolt" – wouldn't that be backwards?

[20:00:18]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, the first goal is to get cacti like graphing done that can handle hardware/software changes pretty transparently

[20:00:39]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, make a change, rescan the host, everything works right

[20:00:43]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: that sounds like a sync of master into the simple-smolt branch, no?

[20:01:20]

kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah... I'm not seeing an arclight update...

[20:01:29]

Beirdo:

yes, and then simple-smolt was merged back into master

[20:01:32]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: wouldn't this be the merge? https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/e407a . . . ec7ea9d2a22a

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Beirdo:

kormoc: you need to grab it directly from the source, the theme chooser hasn't caught it yet due to the themeinfo.xml not being updated

[20:02:25]

Beirdo:

it's actually at 25.7 on the source server

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skd5aner:

why is the description so vauge? "Merge branch 'master' of github.com:MythTV/mythtv". Seems like it should say something like merging branch 'simple-smolt' into 'master' or something?

[20:03:31]

Beirdo:

and no

[20:03:49]

Beirdo:

that was jya merging his parallel changes with the smolt stuff

[20:04:03]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: I guess what I'm getting at (asking), is that if one is only following what gets commited to master, it was impossible to see any details about the smolt/hardware profiler stuff getting commited without looking at the entire network graph and activity within each feature branch prior to merge

[20:04:42]

Beirdo:

that was a choice we made to reduce the email spam

[20:04:54]

Beirdo:

anyways, I'm heading out to lunch

[20:05:09]

skd5aner:

Where in this history does it show that file being added to master? https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/e407 . . . eprofile.cpp

[20:06:12]

skd5aner:

I'm just totally lost I guess – someone could have worked on an entire feature branch, but you'd never see anything related to when it was committed to master?

[20:07:57]

skd5aner:

If Ilook at the blue line here, at Feb 28, second line from the top, I see it gets put into master, but no details that a branch was ever put there? https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/network

[20:08:26]

skd5aner:

until JYA's merge, I mentioned above, which you are saying were just parallel changes

[20:09:01]

skd5aner:

does this make sense to anyone else (since Beirdo's at lunch) – just wondering if I'm the only one not getting it?

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kormoc:

skd5aner, merges don't show up in the file history I believe... because they didn't change the file

[20:09:50]

kormoc:

(unless you cherrypick)

[20:10:41]

skd5aner:

So, again – in my tiny git-ignorant brain... how/when did the simple-smolt branch get put into master, and by whom?

[20:11:11]

kormoc:

I honestly don't know if you can tell

[20:12:14]

skd5aner:

So if someone works in a feature branch for 3 months, does 10,000 commits in the branch, then decides they want to merge it all back into master, that doesn't show up anywhere? It just magically happens but isn't recorded?

[20:13:00]

kormoc:

that's my understanding, the commits all just get applied to the master

[20:13:02]

skd5aner:

(and yes, I understand that from a tracking standpoint, the changes in the branch are only recorded on github and not via email hooks – I'm only referring to when a branch gets folded back into master)

[20:13:39]

disposab1e:

i installed mythtv-backend on my home server and the frontend on the desktop. now mythtv-backend complains it has no BackendServerIP defined because i can't run mythtv-setup on the server (no graphics card). isn't there a text based setup tool? if not, where do i configure it manually? (my /etc/mythtv only has mysql.txt in it)

[20:13:40]

kormoc:

and they get folded into the existing history

[20:14:05]

wagnerrp:

disposab1e: why cant you run mythtv-setup on the backend?

[20:14:25]

skd5aner:

kormoc: thanks for trying to explain – I hear what you're saying, it's just still extremely confusing to me... not sure if that's just me, or the nature of the beast and everyone is confused :S

[20:14:56]

kormoc:

skd5aner, I think it's just people accept that history is fluid and thus don't question

[20:15:55]

skd5aner:

I guess, in my use case, I'm trucking along, looking at what gets commited to master, tracking it for the release notes... then all of a sudden see a commit to something that never existed in master before "Hardware profiler" – but I never saw when the hardware profile got committed – no evidence of that merge

[20:16:13]

skd5aner:

but I swear I've seen other branch merges, but maybe I'm crazy

[20:16:29]

kormoc:

it might just be different flags do things differently

[20:17:09]

disposab1e:

wagnerrp: it's complicated. (no graphics card and no ssh -X in dropbear)

[20:17:41]

skd5aner:

well, I guess I can only follow it the way that -commits shows it... if I miss things I miss things, but man it can be easy to get "lost" in what's going on

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wagnerrp:

disposab1e: so dont use ssh forwarding?

[20:20:31]

wagnerrp:

just render mythtv-setup directly to the remote server

[20:21:10]

disposab1e:

and i thought my question was simple.

[20:21:27]

disposab1e:

is there a text based mythtv setup tool?

[20:21:30]

wagnerrp:

the answer is no, there is no text-based setup, only mythtv-setup

[20:22:03]

wagnerrp:

set the environmental variable DISPLAY to <remotemachine>:0.0

[20:22:19]

wagnerrp:

and either set up the ~/.Xauthority properly

[20:22:29]

disposab1e:

wagnerrp: does mythtv-setup save configuration into db or a text file?

[20:22:30]

wagnerrp:

or use 'xhost +<backendserver>

[20:22:36]

wagnerrp:

the database

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disposab1e:

wagnerrp: thank you

[20:23:09]

wagnerrp:

dont expect to manually set things up in the database, and make things work

[20:23:12]

wagnerrp:

use mythtv-setup

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sphery:

current dropbear implements X11 forwarding

[20:25:25]

sphery:

seems it has since version 0.32 from May 24, 2003

[20:25:40]

sphery:

maybe yours was compiled without support for it?

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sphery:

(actually, I should say the dropbear searver supports it... but you are likely using a real display on a real distro, right?)

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wagnerrp:

wow, boxee just scored $16.5M in investments

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justinh:

and it'll still suck tomorrow

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justinh:

s/suck/be\ of\ any\ use\ to\ UK\ peeps/

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justinh:

"On the morning of March 8th we will pick up a Jeep Cherokee (or something similar Hertz tells us) and get going. We will drive it like a rental, play loud music, moon fellow travelers, eat greasy food, stay in cheap motels. Weâ€™ll also be giving out T-shirts & Boxee Boxes by D-Link along the way."

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justinh:

yeah sounds just like the kind of company I want to invest in

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why you would want a boxee box

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sphery:

kormoc: sorry for my being slow... planning to backport that mysql 5.5 patch to 0.24 later today

[21:11:40]

wagnerrp:

its so fugly and non-form-compliant

[21:11:56]

kormoc:

sphery, the logging one?

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sphery:

oh, I see.. that was the logging one

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kormoc:

sphery, cause I'm just now getting around to starting fresh with your fixed-logging patch

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sphery:

I thought it was the fix-the-2-hardcoded-wrong-format strings one

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sphery:

cool, so just running with the logging for grep'ing to see if there are other problems?

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kormoc:

Yeah

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kormoc:

oldrecorded is certainly a problem area

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kormoc:

will get a better list as today progresses

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sphery:

ok

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sphery:

oldrecorded isn't using prepared queries?

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kormoc:

not sure. haven't looked into it much

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sphery:

I greped the whole source for the date pattern within single quotes... I guess some may have used the mysql-extension double quotes in hard-coded SQL strings...

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sphery:

hope not--those are much harder to find since there's a ton of valid Qt ISO usage in C++ code

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sphery:

definitely appreciate your testing for me, though

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kormoc:

sphery, libs/libmythtv/recordinginfo.cpp:1136

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kormoc:

no worries

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kormoc:

I'm assuming we could remove the toString(QT::ISODate) there?

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, looks like it will need it--with the toString() it become a string, formatted as we specified (rather than a date using a MYSQL_TIME)

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sphery:

I'll do a search for bindValue(.*toString(Qt::ISODate later today

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sphery:

actually, I'll probably just search for Qt::ISODate

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: when you merge a branch with another, if the merge can be done by fast-forwarding, it will not put a merge commit in.

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Beirdo:

it will just effectively append the missing commits onto the end of the branch

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Beirdo:

so, if you look at the current network... when simple-smolt was going to be merged in, jya's commit (ea4e81cb) was the tip of master

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: in essence, almost a "silent" merge so to speak?

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Beirdo:

that got merged into simple-smolt, giving commit 4ecbdf5e.

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Beirdo:

then THAT was merged back into master.

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Beirdo:

yeah, pretty much

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Beirdo:

sometimes you need to look at the end result, as it can get confusing

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Beirdo:

after that second merge, the tip of master and the tip of simple-smolt were both on 4ecvdf5e

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: is that a recommended practice? Or is there a better way/recommendation of doing it?

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Beirdo:

you can force a message to be made, I think

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Beirdo:

gimme a sec

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I'm not suggesting to make life more difficult, I just assumed the way this merge was done is fairly opaque and hard to follow without simply knowing it happened?

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Beirdo:

4ecbdf5e2 did get reported in the -commits ML when it was merged into master

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skd5aner:

but if there's an easy way to merge so that it's announced, similiar to how branches were merged in svn, that would be nice I would think for everyone

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Beirdo:

I'm not sure, there may be a way to make it more obvious

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Beirdo:

it was announced

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Beirdo:

I'm looking at the email right now

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skd5aner:

Yea, I understand what you mean...

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skd5aner:

"Merge branch 'master' into simple-smolt"

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Beirdo:

it's just confusing as the message shows:

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Beirdo:

correct

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Beirdo:

but that was on master :)

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skd5aner:

but, I didn't realize that litterally meant that master and smolt are now one in the same – I took that to mean what the old SVN messages meant which meant someone was bringing a branch up to date by syncing master to it

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skd5aner:

you know what I mean?

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Beirdo:

yeah, we can look at seeing if there's a way to force it to show the merge in a simpler way

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Beirdo:

yeah

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skd5aner:

yea – like I said, I'm just trying to learn – now that I know what those message mean, I can interpret it a little better in the future

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Beirdo:

well, it was... then it got merged back, but all the merge-back did was to add the old commits into the master branch, and no new commits were needed

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Beirdo:

it's confusing, agreed

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skd5aner:

that said, I just thought I'd let you know my feedback in case ths was just a matter of doing it one way versus the other – like now most devs do use cherry-pick when backporting which is great for showing the related git commit from master

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Beirdo:

I think git merge --no-ff is what would force the new merge commit

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya

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Beirdo:

With --no-ff Generate a merge commit even if the merge resolved as a fast-forward.

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skd5aner:

cool – I'll sit back down now :)

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Beirdo:

I think that would make it easier to grok :)

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skd5aner:

hmm, that could be helpful – maybe you can play around with it next time you have the opportunity to merge and see what happens

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

but anyways, we all will get used to looking at the network diagram :)

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skd5aner:

I was just like "what the heck is this hardware profiler thing and how the heck is it already getting edits in master?" heh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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skd5aner:

yea, I tend to not go to github, but I'm finding that I almost have to in order to sort out cases like this

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skd5aner:

email is such a linear method, it works 90% of the time, but can't really show the full picture that easily

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Beirdo:

if it gets non-linear (as it does at times) sometimes it's best to look at the graph

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skd5aner:

well – thanks for the details Guru Beirdo

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Beirdo:

that particular merge made me go look at the JSON dumps of the commit hook notifications when it happened

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skd5aner:

you are most wise, I'm sure you'll reach grand master of the 33'rd order of git in no time

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Beirdo:

I was worried that a merge into simple-smolt got read wrong as being on master.

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: personally, ive got rules so each individual branch goes into its own imap folder

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Beirdo:

but it's in there twice... one in each branch

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: that might work – if I actually used an email client – I use mailman's archive – I'm old school ;)

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wagnerrp:

if i see a merge commit, i just have to look at the emails to date in that folder to see whats included

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skd5aner:

yea, I use browser history... purple I've checked it, blue is new ;)

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skd5aner:

major PITA when something happens and the history goes away

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mianos:

Does anyone know if there is a normal way to run a script (in my case python) from the keyboard if I am not using lirc? (HID) I have a script that shuts down myth after the current LiveTV program ends and I'd like to activate it from a button.

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judget:

regarding mythfrontend and mythbackend do both versions have to match or is there some backwards compatability?

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wagnerrp:

they have to match in protocol and schema version

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wagnerrp:

on the release branches, a change in either of those will result in a new point release

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judget:

ok then my ubuntu 10.10 had 23.1 in synaptic which is not compatable with my 10.4 running 23.0 so is there a way to force the 10.10 ubuntu to install the 23.0 mythfrontend?

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wagnerrp:

better to force your 10.04 backend to update to 23.1

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judget:

ok so after i do that then i also have to update any frontends i am running also to 23.1 right?

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tgm4883:

judget, all of your machines would need to be 0.23.1 yes

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judget:

ok thats what i thought i just wanted to be sure

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judget:

and i asume that 23.1 has improvements anyway right

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wagnerrp:

point releases along a fixes branch are rare

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judget:

any reason that i should noit just move up to v24?

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wagnerrp:

so the fact that there was one means there was an issue serious enough to release one

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wagnerrp:

thats up to you, but is an option

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iamlindoro:

It also makes it a lot more likely you'll get support for any encountered issues (as it's our current release and most of us aren't interested in .23 any more)

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wagnerrp:

most of us arent interested in 0.24 any more, to be completely honest

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judget:

ha i thought .24 was the latest

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wagnerrp:

its the latest release, yes

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wagnerrp:

very little development ever goes on in a release version

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judget:

ok i did a mythfrontend version and the version says 24158 how does that relate to 23.x etc

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jams:

iamlindoro- On first run are the hardware screens supposed to open, or does the user still need to naviagate to the wizard section

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lwizardl:

hey guys

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lwizardl:

wondering a couple things 1) does mythtv support drives full of dvd vobs directories of ripped discs. example would be /DVDs/IronMan2/ for playback with menu selections etc

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lwizardl:

2) when configuring mythtv to use a comcast motorolla 6200 hd box would it be best to directly use the firewire or to use the video out going into the video in on the tuner card

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judget:

can someone explain or direct me to the place where it explans the version as displayed by the mythfrontend — version? such as what is meant by the QT version? is that quicktime?

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mycosys:

QT is QT – formerly by trolltech, now by nokia. afaik it doesnt expand to anything. is a library set/toolkit for screen drawing

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iamlindoro:

Actually, Qt is Qt

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iamlindoro:

QT is Quicktime

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iamlindoro:

and no, it's not for screen drawing

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iamlindoro:

Qt is what we use in MythTV

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iamlindoro:

it's a toolkit for all aspects of application creation, only one of which is graphical

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iamlindoro:

There's a mistaken impression out there that it's a graphical toolkit/widget toolkit

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iamlindoro:

Qt is a cross-platform framework that allows us to do things like string handling, date and time handling, threading, and other basic application development tasks in a way that is consistent and identical on Windows, Linux, OS X, and others

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wagnerrp:

judget: if youre running 24158, then youre running.... nothing

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wagnerrp:

that is no version

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wagnerrp:

its an unstable, development build

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wagnerrp:

from several weeks before the 0.23 release

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judget:

OK I appreciate the advice. should I goto the www.mythtv.org/repos before installing and then install and setmyself up for the newer version?

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wagnerrp:

you should be using the mythbuntu provided repository

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sphery:

judget: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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