Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, February 28th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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darnell:

earlier today i used my 950q with my comcast box via svideo and got all of my channels on windows.. I have myth setup but I cant get any channels. Can someone help me figure this backend

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darnell:

tried everything

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wagnerrp:

add the card as a V4L tuner, using the /dev/video0 device

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wagnerrp:

add a video source, give it your schedules direct account information, pull the relevant channel lineup

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wagnerrp:

map the source to the svideo input on the card

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have an ir blaster set up, tell it to use /bin/true as the channel change script

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wagnerrp:

add a folder to the Default storage group, make sure the user who will be running mythbackend has permission to write to it

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darnell:

i have a wmc transmitter and ir blaster cords.. will it "just work"?

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wagnerrp:

exit mythtv-setup, run mythbackend, run mythfrontend, enter livetv

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darnell:

k brb

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wagnerrp:

no, they will work with effort

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darnell:

k

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wagnerrp:

but all mythtv can do is run a script with the channel number as the input

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wagnerrp:

its up to you to make the script do what you need it to

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darnell:

ok

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darnell:

brb

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wagnerrp:

there are likely some scripts available for the MCEUSB devices that will do what you need

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darnell:

and id just google for those?

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wagnerrp:

might be one on the wiki, dont know

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wagnerrp:

but that is one of the preferred devices for use as a blaster

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darnell:

in video sources, what do i choose for channel frequency table? us-cable?

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darnell:

us-bcast?

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wagnerrp:

you dont choose anything, because youre not going to be scanning

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darnell:

ok well the default was us-cable, ill just leave it there

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clgshaft:

If I want to change channels on a digital cable box, do I need lirc? I just want the backend to change the channel, im not using the hauppauge remote

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[R]:

clgshaft: how do you phsyically want to change it?

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clgshaft:

Ir from card to receiver

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[R]:

ir you need lirc

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clgshaft:

Just the ir cable?

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[R]:

huh?

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clgshaft:

The cable from the 2250 to cable box

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[R]:

you said ir

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clgshaft:

Not the mce unit

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[R]:

that makes no snese if its plugged into the cable box

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clgshaft:

No, doesn't it just sit in front of it, sends the ir signal

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[R]:

then there you go

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[R]:

[05:29:52] [R] ir you need lirc

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clgshaft:

Ok

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darnell_:

gonna try rebooting because that didn't work. when i hit watchtv, it pauses, then goes back to the same screen

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darnell_:

i setup capture card, source, input.. still nothing

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darnell_:

why does v4l /dev/video0 say camera1?

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Newbuntu81-2:

Anybody ever get an error like this when trying to watch an .asx stream via the mythweb page? "7135_20110227194400.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host.

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Newbuntu81-2:

This is from a secondary frontend. same error on the box that recorded it (secondary frontend) and master (primary backend)

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Newbuntu81-2:

Darnell, does your screen [when you try to watch] say Please Wait then kind of log you out?

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clgshaft:

hey guys i got my frontend working again, but when i watch the digital channels on my 2250 it crashes the kernel, has anyone ever seen this?

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Newbuntu81-2:

Nope. I got digital ATSC recording working on both my primary backend with 2250, and my secondary backend with 950q. Can't seem to get analog NTSC working though.

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clgshaft:

is there a conflict with having two 2250's on one system?

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Newbuntu81-2:

So here's a question. When I use the myth webpage to view recordings (not through the mythtv frontend)...recordings from my secondary backend show as recorded, but the button for .asx download seems to have an incorrect link. Do i have to do something to fix it?

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Newbuntu81-2:

(Like update the storage directories or something)

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Newbuntu81-2:

File on secondary backend is "7134_20110227195500.mpg"

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Newbuntu81-2:

Primary mythweb page link states the file is located at /mythweb/pl/stream/7134/1298854500.asx

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Newbuntu81-2:

But nothing is pointing it toward that 2nd box...not to mention the 7134 should be connected to the 129...

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imperfect-:

Anyone at all done myth streaming to GooglTV?

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Newbuntu81-2:

Anyone have luck getting the HVR 2250 to work in analog NTSC mode with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

imperfect-: mythtv can stream to the GTV just as well as it can to any other UPNP device

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wagnerrp:

that means, the UPNP device must be able to play the content as it exists on disk

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not do any form of on-the-fly transcoding

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wagnerrp:

and the GTV does not support any format that mythtv would record to

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imperfect-:

wagnerrp: i'm just trying to play avi'd and such I've downloaded

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imperfect-:

adn GTV can't pay shit it from winows modeia enter.

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imperfect-:

t's annotin

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kormoc:

imperfect-, don't talk about downloaded files in here

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kormoc:

and there's no SDK for the google tv out so we can't do anything right now anyway

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mianos:

Are there any examples of using the event system from python?

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mianos:

I've got the python bindings page up

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mianos:

It has stuff to query the front end. Is it possible to receive events, such as 'show ended'?

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mag0o:

sphery: re: broken db – some of my tables crashed hard and had to be repaired with USE_FRM which seemed to result in a loss of data. I had a somewhat recent backup that I used to import some of the shows that were recorded between then and the crash.

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wagnerrp:

mianos: the event system sends an event once per hostname

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wagnerrp:

the event handlers in the python bindings are to allow you to run a program on a remote machine, with no other instances of any mythtv applications

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wagnerrp:

and have it respond to system events

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wagnerrp:

for normal operation, just write a script that triggers normally, getting data fed to it on the command line

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mianos:

So it's probably not what I want. What I'd like to do is extend/read something so I can shutdown or exit the live TV player when a program ends

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wagnerrp:

when the recording ends? or when the playback ends?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events

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mianos:

I already have my script when playback ends.

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mianos:

When the current show ends is what I want.

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wagnerrp:

those are the list of events that trigger commands

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wagnerrp:

ones that you can use the mythtv handler to run programs when they trigger

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mianos:

OK, good events. I should change my script to use events and not poll every 20 seconds.

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wagnerrp:

this is a partial list of additional events

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Backend_M . . . _Protocol%29

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wagnerrp:

you can use the python bindings to set up a daemon to listen for any of these events

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wagnerrp:

and react in a programmed manner

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mianos:

OK, I'll give it a try. I have a python app that looks at what's going on and sends 'jumps'.

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wagnerrp:

you can also run 'be = BEEventMonitor()' to have it dump all received events to the terminal

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wagnerrp:

for an idea of what events will be called by various actions

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wagnerrp:

and 'BEEventMonitor(systemevents=True)' if you want system events as well

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wagnerrp:

but remember, system events are only sent once per hostname

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mianos:

That's OK for me. I have a combined master BE and frontend.

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sphery:

mag0o: ah, sorry about the lost data... USE_FRM tends to do that. :(

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wagnerrp:

meaning if the python bindings are receiving them, some other application may not, and will not run programs accordingly

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wagnerrp:

and additionally, if another application is already listening, the python bindings may not receive them instead

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sphery:

mag0o: glad you had a backup--even if it wasn't as current as would have been ideal

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mianos:

Are there any hints as to what will likely break if I listen to them all?

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mianos:

I don't have anything but astock mythbuntu PPA .24+fixes

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wagnerrp:

mianos: nothing will 'break' per se

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mianos:

I mean 'miss' events.

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wagnerrp:

the python bindings receiving the system events, will mean nothing else on that hostname will

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mianos:

There are no stock apps running as far as I can see,

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wagnerrp:

so if that hostname was set up to run something on that event, it will not happen

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wagnerrp:

but that is only for events marked SYSTEM_EVENT

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mianos:

Yes, that's what I understand you are saying.

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wagnerrp:

normal BACKEND_MESSAGE events will be sent to all connected clients

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adub:

well hdmi audio decided to quit working for no particular reason

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adub:

got through watching a recording and viola it quit working on mythtv

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adub:

everything else yet again hdmi audio works

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mag0o:

sphery: yeah, you'd think that after the data loss, i would have set up nightly cron db backups, but I'm lazy...

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mag0o:

(and it's just TV)

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Gibby:

i think i saw about 6 months ago, if you add another pvr to a backend you need to edit some kind of setting, i can't find the post or mailing list thread that talked about it, anyone know what I am talking about?

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wagnerrp:

if you set up mythtv properly in the first place, you dont need to change anything

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kormoc:

Another pvr? like a tivo?

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Gibby:

no, like i added 2 pvr-150's, it already had a hvr-1650, with the new ones it, it won't go splash screen

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kormoc:

we don't have a splash screen?

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mycosys:

should havce to add a source shouldnt you wagnerrp

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mycosys:

sorry – input – one of em lol

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sphery:

connect a new input--likely don't need a new source (assuming it gets the same channels as the other)

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imperfect-:

Anyone know why GoogleTV Hassn't offered more codec's ?

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imperfect-:

I spent 1k on a 40inch rv and ican't swatch my movies

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imperfect-:

it's annoting

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wagnerrp:

from what i understand, they arent your movies

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imperfect-:

You appare to have a gap in your understanding

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wagnerrp:

[21:03] <imperfect-> wagnerrp: i'm just trying to play avi'd and such I've downloaded

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imperfect-:

I use the term loosely.

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imperfect-:

In this case I've transcoded my DVD"s

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iamlindoro:

Then you appear to have a gap in your language skills

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iamlindoro:

And we aren't a google TV support channel, go ask Google

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imperfect-:

Shouldn't you bein a sweaty fervor over justi Beiber or something?

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Beirdo:

just what flew in and bit you in the butt?

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clgshaft:

hey guys, i switched my 2250's inputs, and it hasnt crashed for about 3 hours

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clgshaft:

still does not make sense

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** Newbuntu81 is away: Busy. Friend me if you're using the Hauppauge HVR 2250. **

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[R]:

friend me?

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[R]:

wtf

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wagnerrp:

thats what i said...

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Newbuntu81-2:

To chat later and figure the friggin 2250 out.

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wagnerrp:

that was his signoff message yesterday

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wagnerrp:

this is IRC, you cant 'friend' people

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Newbuntu81-2:

buddy list?

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Newbuntu81-2:

lol

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wagnerrp:

this is IRC, there is no buddy list

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Newbuntu81-2:

actually in xchat it's called "Friend list"

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Newbuntu81-2:

the point remains, i'm going to bed...if someone sees it and thinks "2250...i cant figure it out either"...the more help some of us can get, the better lol

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Beirdo:

"friend me"?

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Beirdo:

pffft

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Newbuntu81:

this better?

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** Newbuntu81 is away: is away. Leave me a msg me if you're using the Hauppauge HVR 2250. Can use all the help I can get. **

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wagnerrp:

well you cant leave someone a message unless they stay logged on

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wagnerrp:

which makes putting that comment in your signoff doubly odd

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kormoc:

well... you could via memoserv if it was a real nickname

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Newbuntu81:

no i signed off so i could get to settings to change it

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kormoc:

but anyway, the mailing list is likely the better place

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Newbuntu81:

I haven't used IRC in ages

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wagnerrp:

freenode has a signon bot?

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** Newbuntu81 is back (gone 00:02:12) **

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** Newbuntu81 is away: Leave me a msg me if you're using the Hauppauge HVR 2250. Can use all the help I can get. **

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kormoc:

yeah, memoserv is useful but so few folks know about it

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Newbuntu81:

ok so question....everyone can see the away msg when I mark away?

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[R]:

yes

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kormoc:

yes...

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Newbuntu81:

i have no clue what memoserv is but i'll have to read up on it

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[R]:

and its damn annoying

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[R]:

and no one cares

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Newbuntu81:

lmao

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Newbuntu81:

well then...sorry

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wagnerrp:

kormoc is correct, if several hours idling in here gets no response, then the mailing list is the better option

[05:47:06]

wagnerrp:

either ours, or maybe the linuxtv ones

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wagnerrp:

and if you are having kernel panics

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wagnerrp:

the linuxtv ones will probably be the better option

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kormoc:

linuxtv is the guys to fix the panics, aye

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kormoc:

as we just call their api, nothing more

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wagnerrp:

since nothing mythtv does should be able to cause a panic

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Newbuntu81:

ok, thanks for the tips. g'night

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wagnerrp:

'up to 12 mediamvp-hds can be connected on a network'

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wagnerrp:

its just a upnp box, why would there be a limit?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: dont you have mailing list admin rights?

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kormoc:

I think so

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wagnerrp:

could use a boot... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /311196.html

[05:53:17]

wagnerrp:

he actually sent that to 8 other address, including the mailing list

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kormoc:

unsubed

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wagnerrp:

thanks, seems he was a first time poster

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kormoc:

nah, he's posted before, but the last post was back in 2008

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wagnerrp:

must be before i started a local archive

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rileyp:

Hi all Im getting a line about 1/3 from top of screen Its like a tear that comes and goes in all my recordings

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justinh:

hahahaha. Best roving frontend in the clu-de-sac that is tablet computing. Tablet! Cloud! Zeitgeist!

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rileyp:

during playback asrock ion I am using and nvidia

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justinh:

cul-de-sac, even

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rileyp:

version 256 driver I think will confirm shortly

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rileyp:

270.18 is version

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justinh:

hmm I wonder if the massage therapist who just started following me on Twitter does happy endings

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rileyp:

your very helpfull tonight justinh

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justinh:

saveourtivo@yahoo ? heheh

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** justinh ponders if it's safe to buy a CPU from a taiwanese ebay seller **

[11:09:57]

justinh:

probably not, seen as the photo is of a big tray of chips

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justinh:

think I'd rather buy used from a UK seller

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harrisonk:

I am trying to setup a mythtv on a fresh Mint 10 install, I installed the version from the repos in Linux Mint. From there I fired up the mythbuntu control center (I'm still on mint though) and enabled a bunch of stuff but it didn't install corectly. So I just ran mythtv and it asked me what lanuage I wakted, from there it poped up an error that said "no upnp". I clicked okay and I can to a "login screen that I can't get p

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drindt:

someone can please take a look here: http://fpaste.org/XSwd/ and tell me what i can do to solve this?

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harrisonk:

drindt: you have a segfault

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harrisonk:

those arn't good

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drindt:

oh well? :D

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harrisonk:

I can't help you here but someone else could

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harrisonk:

just be pationt (I hate getting told that me self but that's the way IRC goes)

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drindt:

for sure :)

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drindt:

here is a bit more information about http://fpaste.org/KpQq/

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drindt:

i dont know whats happen, yesterday its working fine...

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harrisonk:

drindt: what version?

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harrisonk:

on what os?

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drindt:

0.24

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drindt:

linux

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harrisonk:

drindt: linux I know ubuntu? mint? Fedora?

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drindt:

Fedora 14

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harrisonk:

slackware?

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harrisonk:

ah

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drindt:

uaaah

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drindt:

no! :D

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harrisonk:

I have never used what?

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harrisonk:

sorry

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harrisonk:

*what?

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harrisonk:

awoodland: hello

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awoodland:

hi

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skd5aner:

!seen RDV_Linux

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MythLogBot:

RDV_Linux was last seen 15 days 4 hours 15 minutes 51 seconds ago

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skd5aner:

must not hang out in these parts anymore

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harrisonk:

hmm

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harrisonk:

!seen drindt

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MythLogBot:

drindt is here and has been idle for 5 minutes 8 seconds

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harrisonk:

cool

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drindt:

idle? not me

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harrisonk:

drindt: it's howlong you haven't posted

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harrisonk:

so can anyone help me with the following?

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drindt:

if it so, it should say that. :)

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harrisonk:

I am trying to setup a mythtv on a fresh Mint 10 install, I installed the version from the repos in Linux Mint. From there I fired up the mythbuntu control center (I'm still on mint though) and enabled a bunch of stuff but it didn't install corectly. So I just ran mythtv and it asked me what lanuage I wakted, from there it poped up an error that said "no upnp". I clicked okay and I can to a "login screen that I can't get p

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drindt:

thats the ordinary setup process

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harrisonk:

I think it's because of the stuff that didn't install

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harrisonk:

which I am installing now

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drindt:

when its mythtv related, maybe that some different errors happen.

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drindt:

i have no clueness about ubuntu stuff.

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harrisonk:

hehe

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drindt:

but what you wrote sounds like an unconfigured client

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drindt:

erm frontend

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harrisonk:

I have no clue about Fedora stuff

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harrisonk:

drindt: ah I will check it after I install a bunch of stuff

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harrisonk:

or check back

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** drindt is loving myhttv on fedora. Have a complete kickstart to install recording box and clients. Takes fewer than 10 minutes for setup but unfortunately its hardware configuration depend. **

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drindt:

install your stuff first.

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drindt:

then run the setup

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harrisonk:

drindt: yep will do

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harrisonk:

drindt: are you new to mythtv or are you a guru?

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drindt:

nor a guru, nor new, i work with myth since years, but not very experienced because i just use few features of them.

[14:00:32]

drindt:

but i have nice hardware :)

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drindt:

the most interesting fact

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drindt:

for me

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harrisonk:

drindt: what hardware?

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drindt:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=190913& . . . l=9f43eb2172

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drindt:

i think you can imagine what it is when you see the pics :D

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harrisonk:

WOW

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harrisonk:

I have a Athlon XP 1.1 GHz

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drindt:

a very important factor was for me 1. silence, 2. low power consume

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harrisonk:

40 Gig hdd

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drindt:

the board has a atom 330

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harrisonk:

how does it run?

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drindt:

and 2x 500g disks what i never will fill :)

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harrisonk:

with an atom?

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drindt:

the processor has 2 cores with 2 ht units so 4 cores are simultaneos, a hdmi connector with a vdpau supported nvidia ion is also there, also crystal clear audio stuff with digital jack

[14:05:42]

drindt:

this board is perfect in my opinion, i have no issues with one expectation the board came just one time back from the s3 very annyoing.

[14:05:56]

drindt:

so it runs 24/7 but consumes just ~20Watts

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drindt:

ah not to forgot, the discs are raid1 (hardware)

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drindt:

maybe a disadvantage for most users is that the tv receiver connected via usb there.

[14:07:11]

drindt:

i have 2 receivers connected

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drindt:

harrisonk: if you want i can send you a component list.

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awoodland:

I'm using one of: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/ as my master backend

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justinh:

that's er.. nice

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justinh:

eek! How much?!

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awoodland:

not cheap, but it's an atom Z530

[14:16:40]

justinh:

so as a way of saving money...

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awoodland:

(it's also the only atom I've seen with hardware virtualisaiton support, which is very handy for other things)

[14:18:24]

justinh:

I'll stick to my real CPU ta very muchly :)

[14:20:03]

justinh:

so it costs a bit more to run than an atom system, but it also cost a lot less than a fit pc. On balance, I'm saving money

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Daverichter:

jemand da der deutsch spricht ?

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justinh:

#mythtv-de ?

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Daverichter:

ahhh thx

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harrisonk:

drindt: I think I got mythtv going

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drindt:

Daverichter: yes

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drindt:

justinh: you have a second for me?

[14:29:20]

justinh:

nope. If you have a question to ask about something ask the channel

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drindt:

justinh: thanks for quick looking: http://fpaste.org/XSwd/ http://fpaste.org/KpQq/

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drindt:

justinh: sorry for that

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** justinh goes to do some work instead **

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wagnerrp:

awoodland: not sure why you would want virtualization, much less want to attempt it on an Atom

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awoodland:

wagnerrp: I use it for two things: a) public facing services are isolated from main box very strongly

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awoodland:

b) I use it for testing some distributed systems i'm working on

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awoodland:

with LVM it's easy enough to build a test suite for highly distributed systems that can run over night

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awoodland:

(basically unit testing with big units)

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jams:

wagnerrp do we keep track of the name/location of the python binary used when checking if the bindings should be used?

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wagnerrp:

jams: the user can supply the python binary to use on the configure line

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wagnerrp:

and that gets automatically replaced in the hashbang entry in any executables installed with the python bindings

[15:01:32]

wagnerrp:

right now, thats just mythpython (interactive interpreter) and mythwikiscripts (program for pulling scripts off the wiki)

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wagnerrp:

ive considered modifying cpsvndir so that any other python files get the same treatment

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jams:

we will probably need todo that with the smolt files

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iamlindoro:

cpsvndir already uses the mythpython variable

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iamlindoro:

and the smolt files have already been modified to be inline with the rest of our installed scripts

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iamlindoro:

jams, What we really need is for someone to straighten out the smolt.mythtv.org server

[15:03:18]

iamlindoro:

since it won't accept any results as it is

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jams:

whats wrong with it?

[15:03:31]

jams:

hadn't checked

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iamlindoro:

attempting to submit anything to is produces an HTTP 500 error

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iamlindoro:

./sendProfile.py --submitOnly -a

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iamlindoro:

Error contacting Server: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 500: Internal error

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iamlindoro:

Could not send – Exiting

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iamlindoro:

and that's with SMOON_URL = "http://smolt.mythtv.org/"

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jams:

first submission worked

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jams:

let me try with a different client

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iamlindoro:

I can switch back to mythvantage and have it work, then switch to mythtv.org and it fails every time

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: should be PYTHON, not MYTHPYTHON

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, what should be? mythpython is handled in cpsvndir and I didn't put it there

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iamlindoro:

specifically, in the programs/scripts/cpsvndir one

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iamlindoro:

which is where I have put the smolt stuff to install from

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jams:

2nd submission worked, which include the mythstuff

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jams:

lookg fine to me

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iamlindoro:

jams, Just not the case here

[15:09:29]

iamlindoro:

Again, I can switch it back to mythvantage.com and it works every time, here it doesn't work across two systems

[15:09:29]

wagnerrp:

looks like... i put that there!

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

its set up from the scripts.pro

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jams:

whats the serverside error?

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't know

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GlemSom:

I have a mp4 file that plays fine in xbmc, but in MythTV it looks like the file is damaged (I get random blocks in the picture) I see this in the log: http://pastebin.com/UwFp06EY Anyone know what could be causing this ?

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wagnerrp:

if you dont mind running it, i can look at the serverside error

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iamlindoro:

The fact that you have encoded the file with too many reference frames

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iamlindoro:

bah, it just worked-- it seems the issue is interemittent since I haven't made any code changes this morning

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iamlindoro:

(I had it fail ~10 minutes ago)

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iamlindoro:

so there should be a failure in the log in the last few minutes

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wagnerrp:

yeah, well trac spams a whole bunch of crap on every page load

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wagnerrp:

needle in haystack and all...

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iamlindoro:

the timestamp should be immediately before I pasted the error into the channel

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wagnerrp:

nothing but trac errors from now since the past half an hour

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iamlindoro:

oh well, if it wants to work now that's fine with me

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iamlindoro:

I'll merge the branch later

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wagnerrp:

oh, looks like there are separate logs for smolt

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wagnerrp:

i actually see two people hitting it at 15:04UTC, but no errors listed for either

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iamlindoro:

The system at 15:04 doesn't seem to be my system

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iamlindoro:

mine would have been at 15:02 or so anyway

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wagnerrp:

im guessing youre the 71.xxx, comcast

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

theres a 184.xxx, roadrunner

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jams:

thats me

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iamlindoro:

The one from my IP produced the error

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wagnerrp:

these are just the access logs, nothing in the error log

[15:18:26]

iamlindoro:

Of course there's always the chance that we have an anonymous third party who tweaked something

[15:19:00]

iamlindoro:

All of that said, yes, it does seem to be submitting properly now

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iamlindoro:

When I can figure out how to do a branch merge, I'll merge to master, it should be good to go (though obviously there will be some need for further expansion to include updates/backends)

[15:20:38]

wagnerrp:

MythVantage 1.5 Monkey Beaches?

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jams:

what about it?

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wagnerrp:

interesting system name

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wagnerrp:

(looking at the /static/stats/stats.html:OS

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jams:

figured

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jams:

it's the only place that was really published

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wagnerrp:

theres a lot of people with system names to be filled in by OEM

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iamlindoro:

Would be nice if it didn't detect Ubuntu as Debian sid

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jams:

buggy bios

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jams:

well perhaps the ubuntu ppl can figure that out

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diana_labb:

alguna nena bi

[17:36:56]

diana_labb:

aquiii

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wagnerrp:

uh huh...

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diana_labb:

lol

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diana_labb:

(b)

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wagnerrp:

are you actually here for mythtv help?

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wagnerrp:

well that answers that...

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iamlindoro:

IRC for blackberry...

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iamlindoro:

As though IRC isn't bad enough on a real display

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wagnerrp:

does '(b)' map to some emoticon or something?

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iamlindoro:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

cant really google for that

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jams:

wagnerrp- for MS communicator it's a beer mug

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iamlindoro:

Well at least he brought booz

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iamlindoro:

e

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jams:

(B) is also a beer mug according to communicator

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** wagnerrp goes for food **

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trumee:

i am trying to test pvr-500 cards composite input. i tried mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:input=1:width=768:height=576:device=/dev/video2:audiorate=48000

[17:59:35]

trumee:

but it is failing

[18:00:07]

trumee:

http://www.pastie.org/1617620

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trumee:

anybody know how i can test the composite input of Pvr-xx cards?

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sphery:

Tons of wives are still complaining on list... Wonder why they all have guy names.

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trumee:

sphery: any idea about pvr-xx composite input?

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wagnerrp:

use svideo instead... :)

[18:15:23]

trumee:

wagnerrp: i only have a composite video feed :(

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trumee:

wagnerrp: is there any way i could test composite without setting up in myth?

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wagnerrp:

v4l2-ctl -some-stuff-to-set-the-input

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wagnerrp:

cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg

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sphery:

trumee: test with ^^^

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sphery:

wagnerrp is /way/ too fast

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trumee:

v4lctl -c /dev/video1 setinput "Composite 1"

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trumee:

dlopen: /usr/lib64/xawtv/flt-disor.so: undefined symbol: tan

[18:17:29]

trumee:

dlopen: /usr/lib64/xawtv/flt-gamma.so: undefined symbol: pow

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trumee:

wagnerrp: hey, that workded

[18:18:20]

trumee:

wagnerrp, sphery:thanks

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wagnerrp:

well subway was a poor choice for lunch

[18:19:13]

wagnerrp:

they had a trainee make the sandwich

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wagnerrp:

its falling apart, im struggling to eat it

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sphery:

but it's fresh

[18:19:55]

sphery:

and only $5

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wagnerrp:

they forgot to cut it, do you know how unwieldy a footlong sandwich actually is?

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iamlindoro:

I see all that Subway product placement has gotten through to you both

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sphery:

and I'm sure wagnerrp is losing weight as we speak

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sphery:

probably due to his inability to actually eat the sandwich

[18:22:09]

wagnerrp:

yeah, with these low calorie meatballs

[18:22:10]

sphery:

now we know Jarod's secret

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

Nah, Jarod's secret was getting the garden veggie sub toasted

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kormoc:

so nasty... can't eat...

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kormoc:

Or the Seafood one... I never get why they ask for certain subs

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wagnerrp:

no, jarod's secret was the fact that he lived 3mi from subway, and walked it every day

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sphery:

wouldn't the seafood one have mayo or something?

[18:23:36]

wagnerrp:

you could lose weight even eating mcdonalds

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sphery:

guess if they use miracle hwhip fat free...

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** sphery nods toward Stewie **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: exactly--weight loss is all about calories

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sphery:

has nothing to do with what specifically you eat

[18:25:01]

sphery:

other than the fact that it's possible/easy/desirable to eat more of some things than others

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sphery:

"Apps for Your Printer: Rediscover Printing by HP!"

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sphery:

grrr... are we really moving to a world where every functionality, service, or page on the 'net requires a different app?

[18:28:20]

iamlindoro:

and an app store

[18:31:27]

sphery:

where someone takes 10–30% off the top of the sale of all these useless apps (ones we wouldn't need if we just used browsers, etc)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: theres an app for your hatred

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

"0.24.1 milestone that is 2 months late" ???

[18:42:26]

wagnerrp:

wtf... someone wrote a script to merge themes... in bash...

[18:43:22]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: WHY DON'T YOU WANT THE PEOPLE TO HAVE WHAT THEY WANT, JERK

[18:43:32]

iamlindoro:

Sheesh, you MythTV devs are so anti-choice

[18:43:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and someone else wrote a script to change font size... in bash...

[18:44:08]

sphery:

(actually, he tried to make it work in standard bourne shell, but may have missed)

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wagnerrp:

i dont like the term anti-choice

[18:45:14]

sphery:

"choice challenged"

[18:45:37]

wagnerrp:

i like to think theres some intelligent 'designer' somewhere, who knows what the users really need, and gives it to them rather than lets them randomly find their way

[18:45:57]

sphery:

I thought you lived in OH, not KS?

[18:46:13]

wagnerrp:

kentucky

[18:46:18]

sphery:

heh

[18:46:33]

wagnerrp:

my god man, weve got the creation museum, and were building noah's theme park

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: http://smolt.mythtv.org/reports/view_device/G . . . Force%20210]

[19:01:04]

iamlindoro:

What do you get there?

[19:01:15]

iamlindoro:

It seems like any attempt to view a device results in a server error

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trumee:

wagnerrp: just realised the card is missing the bracket for mounting :(, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . TRK:MEWAX:IT

[19:12:46]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, server error here

[19:13:34]

wagnerrp:

trumee: it was probably used in one of the HP MCE boxes

[19:13:45]

wagnerrp:

they have their own custom bracket, rather than the standard ATX one

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trumee:

wagnerrp: He mentioned something about an "Elonex Lumina PC". So how do i mount this card then?

[19:17:23]

trumee:

wagnerrp: ah! can i use Pvr-250s bracket on this thing? Are the brackets the same for the two?

[19:17:54]

wagnerrp:

no, since the -500 will have an extra RF jack

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trumee:

wagnerrp: what about pvr-150?

[19:18:31]

wagnerrp:

the MCE variant might work

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awalls:

RCA connectors vs phono jack though

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awalls:

for audio

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wagnerrp:

the one on the ebay link looks like an MCE variant too, it has RCA connectors

[19:19:42]

trumee:

wagnerrp: right. i will look around for it. Perhaps i can buy a creative live sound blaster! and drill its brackets.

[19:20:12]

trumee:

wagnerrp: this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOUNDCARD-PCI-CT4810-CR . . . em27b8efb181

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** awalls envisions duct tape carefully positioned on the back of a chassis to keep RF connectors in place.... **

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iamlindoro:

awalls: anything to save that extra two bucks

[19:27:17]

awalls:

A novel custom case can be found here http://www.g-news.ch/articles/nhp200nc/

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jams:

iamlindoro- what pubid are you using?

[19:31:19]

jams:

to get the above timeout

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jams:

well 500 error..i suspect it's a timeout/pooling issue

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iamlindoro:

jams: no pubid

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iamlindoro:

click recent, then any of the recent devices

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: for the hardwareprofile stuff, I see you have the stdout attached back on the MythSystem setup, but I don't see you ever reading the output. Was that intentional?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: m_hardwareProfile = system.ReadAll();

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Beirdo:

am I looking at an old patch... one sec :)

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: It's part of master

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: That said, there's at least one case where it could do without it-- does it really matter? (I'll remove where it's not needed, but just curious)

[19:35:30]

Beirdo:

it wouldn't matter much, no

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Beirdo:

I guess it would keep the stdout from polluting the logs potentially :)

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jams:

i see, works on my test RHEL system. I would say it's a db pool size thing.

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Beirdo:

SubmitProfile was the one I noticed it in.

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: It's probably worth having in the logs on the chance that the script fails

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Beirdo:

and I guess DeleteProfile

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iamlindoro:

in which case it outputs the issue (ie, is it a python issue, a server issue, etc)

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wagnerrp:

awalls: somehow i doubt that machine could actually play serious sam

[19:38:00]

awalls:

But it can float.. :)

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wsuetholz:

wagnerrp: thank you for your pointers 2 weeks ago. I did manage to reload the BE last week, and upgrade to 0.24.

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** wagnerrp has no recollection what those may have been **

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wsuetholz:

thats ok. i at least remembered...

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wsuetholz:

which was the main thing

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wagnerrp:

to wiki spam in one day...

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wagnerrp:

two

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wsuetholz:

backed up all the recordings and videos metadata and reconfigured all my tuners

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: nice work with the SMOLT integration, BTW :)

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Beirdo:

we need it in the backend eventually too, but nice. :)

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Thanks, have you tried it yet? I have to commit the update bits later

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Beirdo:

I'll be trying it tonight :)

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iamlindoro:

Adding it to the housekeeper as a monthly job would be ~4 lines of code

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Beirdo:

I was too busy killing pthreads to get to trying it on the weekend

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Beirdo:

yeah, it would be quite simple :)

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iamlindoro:

I have to test one aspect of the auto-profile-update code at home and then I'll commit that tonight

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wagnerrp:

oof, my backend has been offline since friday night

[20:00:15]

wagnerrp:

good thing i decided to check what was going to record tonight

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sphery:

hope it was after primetime... Fringe and Supernatural were on Friday

[20:02:00]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[20:02:26]

wagnerrp:

i was doing... something, dont remember what

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sphery:

anyone else dislike the fact that we're getting lots of discussion on github comments and pull requests on github rather than their going to the lists and trac...

[20:02:32]

wagnerrp:

that was consuming large volumes of memory

[20:02:41]

wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

especially the pull requests without trac tickets...

[20:02:49]

sphery:

very annoying

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sphery:

only reason I haven't said anything is because it seems they're all pretty much packaging-related pull requests, and I don't care about the packaging stuff...

[20:03:38]

sphery:

just hoping it doesn't spill over into other stuff

[20:04:32]

sphery:

maybe if we get an SVN primary repo with a git mirror, that will slow or stop

[20:04:47]

sphery:

especially if the git mirror's primary is not github

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if thats something we could hook onto, and redirect to the -dev list

[20:05:44]

wagnerrp:

so discussion about it would continue there

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sphery:

don't know

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sphery:

maybe github has a hook for it, too?

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sphery:

though the pull requests would be hard to handle... since it would require creating or updating a ticket in trac

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sphery:

I think the right solution is "education" :)

[20:09:14]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: was this urlgrabber stuff something that already existed in smolt?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yes, though it can *easily* be dropped AFAICT

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iamlindoro:

just rewrite the bit that counts the encoders

[20:10:18]

iamlindoro:

which currently parses the backend status page, yuck

[20:10:42]

wagnerrp:

im just wondering if we really need that library, or if we could use one of the 1st party urllib/urllib2

[20:10:55]

wagnerrp:

or yeah, i could just have it use the bindings and pull directly from the database

[20:11:22]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: There's probably a fair amount you can do with that part, I was expecting you would probably want to

[20:11:32]

iamlindoro:

my understanding is that the bindings weren't as reliable when this was written

[20:11:36]

iamlindoro:

you could probably add a lot of neat stuff

[20:11:42]

nordle:

Hello. On a regular basis the mythbackend of this 0.24 Mythbuntu 10.10 box dies. It happens around the start of new recordings, I get the 1st few seconds then nothing but a dead mythbackend. What should I do to try and fix this? The log files appear to clear down when the service is restarted I've just noticed.

[20:11:57]

sphery:

bindings++ :)

[20:12:37]

sphery:

yeah, I think when it was originally written the python bindings were just an idea in MythVideo

[20:12:37]

wagnerrp:

jams: around?

[20:12:55]

sphery:

so didn't handle any interaction with the backend, etc.

[20:13:08]

sphery:

basically, worse than the perl bindings

[20:13:13]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I only added the dep check, btw

[20:13:38]

wagnerrp:

yeah, looking through the code, and it seems that same library is used for the scripts that communicate with the server as well

[20:15:22]

sphery:

wow, another Groupon for 3 Redbox rentals for $1

[20:15:24]

sphery:

http://my.groupon.com/deals/redbox

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iamlindoro:

I am sure so long as we stay true to the protocol you can feel free to rewrite it however you like

[20:16:05]

sphery:

explains why so many people steal movies... after all, paying $0.33 to watch it is just highway robbery

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jams:

wagnerrp- busy, but will be back in about ~30min

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sphery:

and, of course, if you and a couple of friends watch it, it's /still/ like $0.11 each...

[20:16:56]

wagnerrp:

just curious if you know why they use urlgrabber instead of the built in modules

[20:17:17]

wagnerrp:

maybe it was written before those integrated modules were available...

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jams:

for what piece?

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jams:

if it's the tuner section it was me playing around and that code doesn't work

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harrisonk:

hello all

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wagnerrp:

smolt.py and deleteProfile.py

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harrisonk:

I found that I need to install firmware for my video card (this is a link to a linuxtv wiki: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechniSat_Air2PC-ATSC-PCI )

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harrisonk:

do I need to compile a kernel or load a modual or what?

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sphery:

just follow the instructions at the link you gave

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harrisonk:

okay

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harrisonk:

!seen drint

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MythLogBot:

drint has not been seen here

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sphery:

harrisonk: i.e.: cd /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation/dvb/ && perl get_dvb_firmware nxt2002

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harrisonk:

sphery: thanks

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sphery:

then: Once the download is complete, place a copy of the firmware file in your /lib/firmware directory. (This directory may differ with some distros; consult your distro's documentation for the appropriate location).

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harrisonk:

!seen drindt

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MythLogBot:

drindt was last seen 1 hour 4 minutes 1 second ago

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sphery:

assuming you have the 2nd rev

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sphery:

harrisonk: then the easiest thing to do is to reboot your system and it will pick up and load the new firmware

[20:27:46]

harrisonk:

sphery: I am using the latest kernel

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harrisonk:

wait

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jams:

wagnerrp- #1 iamlindoro parsed the comment correctly. When the myth stuff was added the bindings didn't exist. They did exisit for the tuner section but they were just as likely to connect you to /dev/null or /dev/kitchen_sink as the real backend. As to urlgrabber was used for delete profile all i'm going to say is "intern"

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jams:

with that said if you change it to use url2, make is a seperate commit because i plan on committing most changes upstream.

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iamlindoro:

jams: think you got cut off there

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iamlindoro:

after "all I'm going to say is "intern""

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jams:

to sum it up..blame the intern who used smolt as a learning project and some things slipped through

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iamlindoro:

The good news is with the python bindings as mature as they are now, there's probably a ton of really cool stuff that could be reported

[20:38:46]

wagnerrp:

jams: so convert those two files separately, to allow you to run the patch as-is?

[20:38:59]

jams:

yes please

[20:38:59]

iamlindoro:

Number of tuners, a breakdown of type, maybe some *basic* recording demographics (ie, number of hours recorded lifetime)

[20:39:38]

jams:

i have wanted number tuners/host to work for some time but it always fell to the bottom of the list of things todo

[20:39:53]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont know if xris asked you, but we were talking about posting an email to the developer list about what metrics we want to pull

[20:40:02]

wagnerrp:

he wanted to wait until you got back in before writing it up

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jams:

we can also change how system_role is calculated. right now it relys on an outside process to tell you

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jams:

he mentioned an email, but nothing was discussed

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harrisonk:

how do I start the mythtv backend?

[20:55:46]

wagnerrp:

so moodyjunk is looking to replace his (fairly new) 9500GT because of a dead fan

[20:56:02]

wagnerrp:

so hes looking for more cards that have fans that will die in a short period of time?

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skd5aner:

harrisonk: what distro?

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skd5aner:

harrisonk: you can always just run "mythbackend" from the command line

[20:56:17]

harrisonk:

is he giving away his old one?

[20:56:30]

skd5aner:

in mythbuntu I believe you can just run "service mythbackend start"

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wagnerrp:

harrisonk: what good would it be? it has a dead fan

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skd5aner:

or /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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harrisonk:

wagnerrp: just replace the fan

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harrisonk:

skd5aner: thanks

[20:57:03]

wagnerrp:

a GT210 would be just as capable as a 9500GT, and cost about as much as a replecement fan

[20:57:50]

wagnerrp:

remember, those fans are pretty much hard mounted into the heatsink these days

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harrisonk:

how muck does the fan cost?!!!!

[20:57:57]

wagnerrp:

you cant replace the fan without replacing the heatsink

[20:58:04]

harrisonk:

yea

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harrisonk:

there is ebay

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iamlindoro:

anyone know if most/all modern distros have /etc/lsb-release ?

[21:02:14]

iamlindoro:

Seems that might be the better place to parse distro/version than expecting certain static files like smolt current does

[21:02:27]

wagnerrp:

freebsd and gentoo do not

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jams:

they do not

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jams:

you will notice that is does lsb_release as a last resort

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wagnerrp:

out of curiosity, was smolt written by a Geisel fan?

[21:06:30]

jams:

yes some parts

[21:07:04]

wagnerrp:

smolt and smoon, and some other names just sound right out of a dr. suess book

[21:12:31]

wagnerrp:

bah

[21:13:02]

wagnerrp:

i need to write some script to automatically compile for freebsd

[21:13:07]

wagnerrp:

keep forgetting to set env stuff

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jams:

smolt is a take on the term smelt

[21:15:52]

iamlindoro:

jams: I don't think it uses it as a last resort ATM

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justinh:

oh dear. I think the silence detecting commflagger has flagged its last & has to go

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justinh:

that's 2 recordings it's messed up now

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont see anything here that urlgrabber does that urllib2 cannot do

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iamlindoro:

jams: ah, you mean the executable

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wagnerrp:

justinh: you were saying it worked so well before

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iamlindoro:

I was referring to the staatic file which contains the distro name, version, etc.

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iamlindoro:

ie, /etc/lsb-release, not /usr/bin/lsb_release

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justinh:

wagnerrp: it did, but it's gone crazy a few too many times

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justinh:

I CBA to debug it – not that it's readable enough for me to be able to debug

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jams:

oh oops yeah i see what your saying now

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jams:

i read the path wrong on your first statement

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iamlindoro:

yeah, too close

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iamlindoro:

just looking at how to get it to properly ID Ubuntu but haven't been inspired with the right answer yet

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wagnerrp:

jams: does smolt actually support proxies?

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wagnerrp:

i see mention of proxies in the url code

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wagnerrp:

but i done see anywhere that they are set to anything other than None

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jams:

it's supposed to but I have never had the need to use one, so I can't say for sure

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wagnerrp:

im thinking of writing a global request factory, which would generate new urllib2.Request objects as needed, following the proper root address, user agent, and proxy settings

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justinh:

request factory? but the wiki already exists

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** justinh hides **

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wagnerrp:

something where you tell it all that information, and it does it automatically

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wagnerrp:

rather than passing the connection information onto every little bit of the code

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iamlindoro:

heh, we run the risk of becoming the upstream for smolt like we have for NUV ;)

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jams:

naw it will all get committed back. I will try to make sure of that

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iamlindoro:

Not that it would be the worst thing in the world, though

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iamlindoro:

this is at least not like a container, this is just something that we can use in a contained way

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sphery:

256-processor Atom-based server? that just seems crazy. (Specifically the Seamicro SM10000–64.)

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sphery:

I don't see why some smaller number of more powerful cpus with real power scaling wouldn't be better

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they call it 'physicalization'

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

im not kidding

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wagnerrp:

and yes, it is rediculous

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sphery:

but it's "low power"

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sphery:

Atom = low power, as any fule know

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kormoc:

sphery, it's why I replaced the 100 watt light bulb in my living room with 200 1 watt bulbs! Saving the earth one room at a time!

[21:43:03]

sphery:

heh

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justinh:

look at my pogoplug master backend! bask in its money saving glory!

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sphery:

yeah, I love that whole idea... People say that using fluorescent lights is always saving power... So, rather than turn on the 60W incandescent spot lighting for the area where they're working, they turn on the overhead fluorescent lights with two 34W bulbs

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justinh:

and politely ignore the mysql server & storage farm in the rack next door to it

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sphery:

and they're "saving power"

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justinh:

sphery: nah fluoro rating numbers aren't power draw

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justinh:

they're supposed to mean 'equivalent to x watts of incandescent'

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sphery:

I would love to say that Atom is just the fluorescent light of computing, but it's actually pretty low efficiency for compute

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sphery:

justinh: my 11W compact fluorescents would beg to differ

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kormoc:

justinh, depends. A lot of the time you'll see "100 watt equivalent 34 watt CFL"

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sphery:

maybe it's just here in the US, but ours are labeled by what they actually take

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justinh:

oh yeah forgot about the new ones

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wagnerrp:

sphery: so its 256 processors (512 cores) at 1.66GHz (800MHz i7 equivalent) in a 10U case

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sphery:

and, yeah, they do tend ot also mention the equivalency

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justinh:

over here back in the day they used to say equiv to

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wagnerrp:

so thats around 2200W at full TDP

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justinh:

I try to avoid buying energy savers where I can. they're *CRAP*

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and won't scale down much if at all, right?

[21:46:14]

sphery:

power scaling that is

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justinh:

although I don't regret trying a pair of LED bulbs for the bedside lamps

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sphery:

yeah, I'm all for energy saving when it also saves me money (even if it is long term)

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sphery:

but when it's pay more to get less, I'm not that interested

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sphery:

which pretty much sums up my position on the whole ATom thing :)

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wagnerrp:

so thats the equivalent of some 48 high end server processors? seems awfully high

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, so you'd need 37 i7 2600S processors for equivalent power, using 2405W (without calculating turbo boost performance)

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sphery:

power equivalent or compute equivalent?

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wagnerrp:

compute

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kormoc:

and assuming HT is useless

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

well anyway, you can stuff some 4 processors per U

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wagnerrp:

meaning you could use real processors, and get just as high density

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sphery:

and get power scaling when not at full load :)

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sphery:

so, looks like Toshiba is getting out of the Cell processor business?

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kormoc:

and get turbo boost. A few heavy threads? run at 3.8 ghz, a ton of threads, run them all at 2.8 ghz

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wagnerrp:

no, thats 8.5W for the processor itself

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wagnerrp:

so probably 20W for the system

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wagnerrp:

make it 5kW for the whole system

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sphery:

so you're saying their 2200W atom system is equivalent to a 5kW core i7 system?

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iamlindoro:

hmm, so looks like Newegg only has the HDHR Singles now, presumably because they're being replaced with the new models

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wagnerrp:

no, im saying its closer to 5kW, not 2.2

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iamlindoro:

but no new models, and the HDHR prime is starting to look sorta vapory

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wagnerrp:

2.2 is just what the processors themselves draw

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sphery:

HDHR singles? Those are the ones that are individually wrapped in a plastic?

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wagnerrp:

not the memory, not the chipset, not the disks

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sphery:

oh, no wait, that's Kraft processed cheese food

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sphery:

ah, so the 5kW is for the Atom system (not just Atom procs)... so you could do as well or better with real procs?

[21:53:57]

mianos:

I can vouch for the power figures, I have a D515, it has a TDP of 13W but it draws 30W RMS from the wall.

[21:54:15]

mianos:

Oops, I mean a D525.

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wagnerrp:

mianos: im just making these numbers up at the moment

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kormoc:

sphery, processors would draw a little more(~10%) but less power supplies == less waste. Overall should be much better

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kormoc:

and way better if idle

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mianos:

That's why I am saying, mine is not made up, it's measure.

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sphery:

cool

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mianos:

Measured/

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: well hopefully theyre just using one big DC PSU in there

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sphery:

mianos: and that's 30W whether at idle or load, right?

[21:55:58]

mianos:

I have a pico switch mode rail supply and an SSD and no fans. That's probably as good as it gets.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, sure, which you can do yourself as well

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, which means those savings would be about the same

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sphery:

Heh, as good as it gets with Atom... Now a nice Core 2 Duo Mobile-based system...

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mianos:

30W idle yes, it goes to about 36W RMS when transcoding. ABout 33 when watching live TV.

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sphery:

ah, so a little bit of savings at idle... wonder if that's mainly system savings or if some is in the CPU

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wagnerrp:

anyway... yeah, the real server would be denser, lower idle power, not significantly more load power, better single threaded performance, more memory

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sphery:

but wouldn't have the low-power buzzword "Atom"

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mianos:

I think sphery is right in that an i3 mobile in a simialr setup would not use up much more when idling.

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jams:

iamlindoro- try it now please http://smolt.mythtv.org/reports/view_device/G . . . Force%20210]

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wagnerrp:

mianos: actually, the core2-based mac mini uses less power than an atom

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wagnerrp:

whether idling or under load

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sphery:

mianos: yeah, i3, too... I was thinking specifically of the Mac Mini, which idles at about 9W

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sphery:

and for kormoc's (which idles at 13W), he's been getting about 16W average draw, IIRC

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mianos:

sphery, 9W idle sounds too low, I thinkt hat would be for the CPU, not from the power point.

[21:59:29]

sphery:

ah, you're right... it's 10W

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sphery:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468?viewlocale=en_US

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sphery:

kormoc has the Mac mini (Early 2009) IIRC

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kormoc:

Aye. early 2009 model

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wagnerrp:

sphery: and the systems would probably be equivalently priced around $50k for each

[22:00:13]

sphery:

oh, and his is a combined frontend/backend system

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sphery:

doing recording, commflagging, playback

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iamlindoro:

jams: Yeah, no crash now but no data either

[22:01:02]

iamlindoro:

jams: Though other devices seem to, so looks like it's fine

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sphery:

mianos: but it is /system/ draw... pretty sure kormoc measured his with a Kill-a-Watt

[22:01:20]

iamlindoro:

jams: ah, was just xchat breaking the link

[22:01:23]

kormoc:

sphery, close. UPS measured

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mianos:

sphery, too low, it's got a little disk in it right?

[22:01:35]

sphery:

ah, I see

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kormoc:

mianos, yes, a little disk

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sphery:

a good disk will idle at about 1W (or 2W max)

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mianos:

spun down I guess so.

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sphery:

it's a 2.5", so designed for low power

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sphery:

and probably lower than my "good disk" numbers, above (which were based on 3.5")

[22:03:01]

sphery:

yeah, seems that they should be < 1W for 2.5" at idle

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sphery:

based on http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2.5-hard-d . . . ion,681.html

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wagnerrp:

sphery: scratch that, theyre apparently using some blend of infiniband

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iamlindoro:

jams, sphery, et al: system specs actually tend towards the higher edn, much to my surprise: http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html

[22:04:18]

wagnerrp:

which means their price just tripled

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kormoc:

my entire DB is in ram, so it only spins up to write. I have the buffer pool set to delay flushing to disk as much as possible, so it only spins up rarely to do a big flush and then spin right back down

[22:04:32]

jams:

good

[22:04:43]

iamlindoro:

ie, the average user so far (mostly linhes users) tend to have > 1 GB of RAM and > 2 Ghz Processors

[22:04:55]

iamlindoro:

that's a nice metric to use when people complain about losing XvMC :)

[22:04:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: the core i price tripled?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, that Atom system

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

theyre on some high bandwidth, low latency backplane

[22:05:40]

wagnerrp:

thats the only way they could pull off the performance numbers theyre coming up with

[22:05:54]

wagnerrp:

besting a 1400 socket, quad core, traditional server

[22:05:57]

iamlindoro:

will be more interesting when we get .25 out and start to see a more broad representation of folks

[22:06:00]

jams:

it really is just linhes users, j-rod never got it committed to mythdora like he said he was going to

[22:06:04]

sphery:

kormoc: I heard that if you use /dev/null as the storage backend for your MySQL database, you'll get extremely low power draw /and/ it's web-scale!

[22:06:09]

jams:

pestering him for years now

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iamlindoro:

I suspect there will be one bump in the ION range and another in the high end

[22:06:23]

iamlindoro:

jams: Heh, well no choice now :)

[22:06:35]

jams:

yeah

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kormoc:

sphery, the blackhole storage engine! ;)

[22:06:37]

iamlindoro:

jams: LineHES plus iamlindoro, haha

[22:06:44]

kormoc:

sphery, we should use that as the default engine for myth!

[22:06:45]

iamlindoro:

the lonely "debian" user ;)

[22:06:47]

wagnerrp:

sphery: of course that does mean the traditional servers become that much cheaper when you have to buy that fewer infiniband cards, and that fewer network ports

[22:06:57]

jams:

it's why i asked years ago to get it in core but for whatever reason it didn't happen

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** kormoc looks forward to being the first 8 core entry **

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iamlindoro:

jams: Better late than never I guess?

[22:07:18]

jams:

yeah

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sphery:

wagnerrp: they're saying prices start just under $150K for the Atom system

[22:08:09]

wagnerrp:

well there you go, right on the money

[22:08:17]

wagnerrp:

i said 50K

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wagnerrp:

and then when i saw they were using something other than gigE, i said triple it

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

so traditional wins, again

[22:09:05]

sphery:

how will the infiniband affect power draw?

[22:09:29]

wagnerrp:

maybe 10W per card? plus all the networking equipment

[22:09:44]

wagnerrp:

the biggest issue with something like Atoms in a data center is licensing costs

[22:09:45]

sphery:

how many cards would they have for the 256-proc system?

[22:09:49]

iamlindoro:

jams: How hard/possible would it be to get a report that was constrained to the last ~45 days? Since systems will be reporting back monthly, that should give a pretty accurate "heartbeat" of out opt-in users number and statswise

[22:10:04]

wagnerrp:

at least for the HPC market, you pay per core, per CPU, or per node

[22:10:07]

sphery:

heh, yeah, what's an oracle license for a 512-proc system? :)

[22:10:16]

iamlindoro:

jams: stats.html seems to work nicely, but I'm curious about the number of registered hosts who have turned up in the recent past versus all-time

[22:10:28]

wagnerrp:

either way, it becomes cheaper to run as fast processors as possible, with as many per system as possible

[22:10:37]

iamlindoro:

so if user # takes a nosedive we can catch it from month to month

[22:11:10]

sphery:

wagnerrp: cool... thanks for running numbers for me. I didn't have the background to know for sure, but everything I did know said it's likely to be a bad idea.

[22:11:29]

sphery:

s/bad idea/a plan by marketing, not engineers/

[22:11:41]

wagnerrp:

infiniband is e-x-p-e-n-s-i-v-e

[22:11:46]

iamlindoro:

jams: Heh, I am dumb, it actually does say active hosts for the last 90 days-- so I guess the question becomes can we get a report of all the stats for just those users/a shorter period/etc.

[22:12:02]

wagnerrp:

right now, we end up paying around $800 for our compute nodes

[22:12:17]

jams:

so withing the last 45 days not 90?

[22:12:18]

wagnerrp:

which gets us a decent quad core, 4GB of memory, a disk, and gige

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, you need a number of infiniband cards that scales with the number of procs?

[22:12:39]

wagnerrp:

the basic 20gbps cards cost that much just on their own

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kormoc:

sphery, or have a IB node per x compute nodes and have it spit to gigE...

[22:12:53]

sphery:

meaning 256-proc vs 37-proc would be a hugely different number of infiniband cards?

[22:13:14]

jams:

iamlindoro- changing the 90 day thing is pretty simple

[22:13:18]

wagnerrp:

to network up a hundred of them would cause another $30K or so

[22:13:25]

wagnerrp:

for the switches

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iamlindoro:

jams: I am not saying we should do it across the board, I am just wondering if there's a more granular reporting interface

[22:14:39]

iamlindoro:

ie, sicne we're going to have a monthly report-back, a ~45 report of everything might have some data value about the size of the community in a given month, surrounding releases, after some big decision or change, etc.

[22:14:42]

wagnerrp:

how about some sort of line chart, unique hosts per day/week/month

[22:14:45]

AndyCap:

I must say mythtv is getting demanding if one needs infiniband and 256 processors to run it

[22:15:01]

sphery:

AndyCap: only for those of us who want Arclight

[22:15:01]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: to be fair, theyre just Atoms

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sphery:

AndyCap: but if you want to run MythCenter-wide, you only need 128 procs

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AndyCap:

sphery: ah, ok then. :)

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wagnerrp:

so a nice quad-core would work in its place

[22:15:28]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Of course nobody really *wants* arclight, they're just forced to use it since it looks best after merging with BlackCurves-OSD ;)

[22:15:29]

trumee:

wagnerrp: bought an pvr-150 card to salvage the bracket, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . TRK:MEWNX:IT

[22:15:35]

AndyCap:

sphery: but do I need a PVR-350 in each of them?

[22:15:51]

jams:

as of right now it's more a global thing. Better reporting is on the list of things to improve but no one has done it yet

[22:16:05]

iamlindoro:

jams: Fair enough, was mostly just curious

[22:16:09]

sphery:

iamlindoro: true... I made a new theme, Frankenstein-wide. It's exactly what I want. I just copied random files from each theme dir.

[22:16:26]

sphery:

but I understand not everyone can do that... I mean, I wouldn't ask my grandma to do that.

[22:16:28]

jams:

wagnerrp- yes the linechart can be done, in fact i would want to replace that crappy graph on the front page with such a chart

[22:16:37]

iamlindoro:

I do think that longer term maybe having something that encompasses the momentary size of the community (iby constraining everything viewed to the last 30 or so days) might be helpful

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, 45 days seems reasonable if clients up date roughly every 30, that'd be 30 days + 2 weeks for scheduler data to run out. if they're not online by then, they fall off the stats

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sphery:

we need a real-time icon on the mythtv home page showing the number of users... "128", "127", "129", "245922013820219", "123", "124", ...

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jams:

iamlindoro- 90 was choosen because it seemed to be a good balance between active submissions and not killing mysql

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sphery:

oops, seems I used the Windows progress bar code to create my numbers

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iamlindoro:

jams: Yeah-- though the 90 only gives the host count, right? so I can't say, for example, see the hardware associated with the last 90 days only?

[22:18:41]

iamlindoro:

I'd be curious to see what the current CPU spread is versus the all-time CPU spread (which is of less value, probably)

[22:18:52]

iamlindoro:

(etc)

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jams:

i know what your saying..we just have to get there

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jams:

first thing would be to update our smoon and go from there. We are using a slightly older version because a "person who will remain nameless" broke the myth support in the current version of smoon

[22:19:57]

jams:

broke it and told me to fix it

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jams:

which i have not done =)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I just wanted to be sure there wasn't a functionality I had missed before suggesting we develop one ;)

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jams:

naw the reporting ui is a bit static in that sense

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jams:

wanted to hook up a BI tool to it just for kicks

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jams:

but well the good ones cost money

[22:23:12]

jams:

sure i could do it for my own usage, but wouldn't be able to make the ui public

[22:23:41]

jams:

btw i just updated the stats..they now include 4 new hosts

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jams:

which are proably your test ids

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iamlindoro:

Might be, I was a little sloppy about cleaning up for the first couple of hours I was workiong on it

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iamlindoro:

but have tried to always delete when starting from scratch since then

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iamlindoro:

ie, delete from the server before starting from scratch, that is

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jams:

sure

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iamlindoro:

jams: Do the stats need a manual bump periodically, or is that all done on the fly? (I don't know what you mean by updating the stats)

[22:26:33]

jams:

there is a process that is run periodically to regen the html pages

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok-- recent seems to regen all the time, though, right?

[22:27:33]

jams:

don't follow that question

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wagnerrp:

jams: do you care about python version support for this stuff?

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iamlindoro:

If I submit a profile and navigate to http://smolt.mythtv.org/reports/recent, it seems to appear immediately

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jams:

iamlindoro- oh right that is dynamic. it's only the front page of stats that is static

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok

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iamlindoro:

I follow now, thanks

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jams:

wagnerrp- well 2.4 is what is included with debian and rhel

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wagnerrp:

surely debian has moved on

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wagnerrp:

and rhel 6 has python 2.6

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jams:

right just saying rhel 5 is python 2.4

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jams:

with that said there is some pythong 2.6 specific stuff in there

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if urllib2 is included in 2.4

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sphery:

but mythtv requires 2.6+, right?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: this is with regard to pushing my changes upstream

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kormoc:

sphery, -master does, 0.24 requires 2.5+

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sphery:

ahhh, sorry, missed that

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sphery:

nvm

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wagnerrp:

i want to get rid of urlgrabber if we dont actually need it

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sphery:

good plan

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jams:

wagnerrp- import urllib2 workes with python 2.4

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wagnerrp:

its just a dependency that doesnt seem to provide anything not include by first party python modules

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wagnerrp:

theres a lot of really old code in here

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wagnerrp:

old-style classes from before python2.1

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iamlindoro:

jams, wagnerrp: Think it might be worth clearing the theme table since it considers each resolution a different theme-- can just pull the theme value from the DB

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iamlindoro:

jams, wagnerrp: First month submissions will basically always be Terra, but that will get amended in subsequent months

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: we only support one cached theme now, right?

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wagnerrp:

thats static? i dont recall seeing the option in the UI any longer

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iamlindoro:

What's static?

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iamlindoro:

We support two cached themes IIRC

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wagnerrp:

the theme cache size

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iamlindoro:

yes, it's not longer an option

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wagnerrp:

ah

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iamlindoro:

it's a sensible default

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iamlindoro:

but at least at any resolution, Terra in teh database == Terra

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iamlindoro:

versus the current means of detecting it relies on last modified stamps, and considers each resolution a different theme

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iamlindoro:

effin freenode

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kormoc:

this is horrible...

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jams:

actually i didn't like it that way either, but the more i hought about it the more it grew on me to say a theme at 640x480 is different then that at 1280x720. thats nto to say it couldn't be presented differently but i like having both bits of info theme & res

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sphery:

maybe report them as 2 different bits of info, then :)

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jams:

res is something you can't always get out of the db.

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jams:

sphery- yes the two can be seperated in the reporting phase, or even in the submission phase for that matter. guess all im saying is I like having res & theme

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sphery:

(theme, and geometry as WxH+x+y)

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sphery:

though for users with 0x0+0+0 = full screen, you'd be missing the "what is full screen res"

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jams:

correct

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jams:

which is what i said in less words

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sphery:

but we do have all that info in the MythMainWindow, so could just put a call in there to grab it

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sphery:

granted, that requires more changes, but...

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I don't mind having both bits of info, but IMO would be nice to not have them conjoined (or at least, not without choosing to compare both)

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iamlindoro:

2011-02–28 15:31:02.969 Last hardware profile update was > 30 days ago, update required...

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iamlindoro:

lovely :)

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iamlindoro:

and pushed

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