Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 27th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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Rabbit^^:

Yes, I will turn a different box into MythTV eventually.

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mycosys:

rabbit^^ you would need to add pvr software like media portal or gbpvr – have played with both, mythtv is miles better, also linux is faster and lower resource use to start with, so is better suited to your old system

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wagnerrp:

why run multiple independent PVRs?

[00:00:50]

wagnerrp:

choose one software, and stick with it

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mycosys:

in your shoes i would say grab a decent tuner, grab an nvidia video card (9xxx or later) and set up mythbuntu

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Beirdo:

there goes wagnerrp, making sense again :)

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Rabbit^^:

The only option I currently have that IS usable as a PVR is a notebook with Windows XP MCE 2005.

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mycosys:

what about the pentium d?

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mycosys:

oh – 8400GS is ok too as a vid card if u need to go that way

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Rabbit^^:

That is a desktop system. I am trying to get away from using the notebook for my PVR.

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: nah, you can get a GT210 for the same price

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mycosys:

yeah – btu 8400GS can be got in PCI or AGP, gt210 is pcie only

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wagnerrp:

an 8400 cannot be had for AGP, and should not be had for PCI

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dayglo98:

aargh scanning failed then mythtv-setup froze and I have 7 zombie mythtv-setup.re processes

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Rabbit^^:

Unfortunately, at this time I can only easily afford two pieces of my planned upgrade. I have chosen to get a 1TB HDD and the TV Tuner. Should the video card be the next replacement (before the OS or MoBo upgrade)?

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: you can usually get a 2TB drive for only a few dollars more than a 1TB one

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Rabbit^^:

Is the price difference greater than ten dollars?

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wagnerrp:

2TB drives have been seen as low as $70

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Rabbit^^:

WD seems to see 2TB ONLY in their green drives. Is that not the case?

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wagnerrp:

meaning their 2TB drives are all greens? or their green drives are all 2TB?

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wagnerrp:

because neither is true

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mycosys:

rabbit^^ would go the samsung anyway

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mycosys:

the ecogreen should be fine

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Rabbit^^:

WD 2TB capacity are only available in their green drives from what I find online.

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mycosys:

not true

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wagnerrp:

no, they sell 2TB blacks, but theyre usually around $150

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[R]:

this guy at my work got like 4 2tb blacks

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Rabbit^^:

My best luck has been with WD Caviar Blue drives, which appear to go no higher than 1TB.

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mycosys:

unfortunately the 2tb blacks arent great

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wagnerrp:

ive seen 7200RPM 2TB hitachis for under $100

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: yes, they no longer sell blus

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dayglo98:

If anyone has 2 seconds, when I get to channel scanning in mythtv-setup I get eno: Device or resource busy (16) in the terminal

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Rabbit^^:

WD themselves says they still manufacture that line. I called a couple weeks ago.

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wagnerrp:

dayglo98: only one application is allowed to control a digital tuner

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dayglo98:

I would guess so but I have nothing else running

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wagnerrp:

if you have multiple instances of mythtv-setup going, as you mentioned, and one of them is already scanning, you will get that error

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: they sell them in 2.5" form factor, not in 3.5"

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dayglo98:

I just have these zombi processes that I can't seem to remove from the process list

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Rabbit^^:

Caviar is their desktop live. Scorpio is notebook.

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Rabbit^^:

I get this from Western Digital's website.

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wagnerrp:

the fact that their last 3.5" blue came out nearly four years ago seems to indicate that they have abandoned that line

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mycosys:

seriously rabbit – the samsungs are great reliable drives – get one

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Rabbit^^:

Seagate's Barracuda line is mine second choice only because that is the brand the local shop that built the desktop system uses.

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wagnerrp:

everyone is going to have their own pet brand

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mycosys:

lol seagate have had issues aplenty in recent years

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wagnerrp:

its going to be a theological argument more than anything else

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mycosys:

most people wont go near em now

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mycosys:

i LOVE wd for high performance

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wagnerrp:

seagate had one bout of bad firmware

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Rabbit^^:

Trying telling that to my local shop :D

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wagnerrp:

they should be otherwise safe these days

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mycosys:

have had other reliability issues too wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

although my 750s tend to run hot, at least according to their SMART data

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wagnerrp:

a good 5C hotter than the WDs, and 10C hotter than the samsungs

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wagnerrp:

again, from their own reporting

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mycosys:

whirpool love thw sammys, silentpcreview love the sammys

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mycosys:

personally i love wd black, but it isnt appropriate for a htpc

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wagnerrp:

ive not yet had one of my samsungs fail on me

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mycosys:

nor i

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Rabbit^^:

I have only lost a Seagate and ONE WD My Book (PATA). I think the enclosure caused the My Book failure.

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wagnerrp:

honestly, id stay away from the greens until they fix their 4K block debacle

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[R]:

not all the greens are 4k

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[R]:

EARS vs EADS

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Rabbit^^:

The My Book was a SATA, but was powered via IDE-style once I removed it from the case.

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wagnerrp:

the new ones all are

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mycosys:

also need to get rid of intellipark to use em well with linux

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wagnerrp:

the EADS are hard to find

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[R]:

i have one

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[R]:

:P

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wagnerrp:

and the 2.5/3.0 disks are all 4K

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mycosys:

if you are using it under lin [r] disable intellipark

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[R]:

never heard of it

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wagnerrp:

the greens automatically park their heads and spin down after 8 seconds

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mycosys:

linux tends to have a write delay larger than that

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wagnerrp:

with the WD DOS utility, you can increase that to 30min

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: mythtv itself has a write delay of 1s

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mycosys:

cool

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Rabbit^^:

Replacing the GPU would be more beneficial (cost) than waiting to replace it at the same time as a MoBo upgrade?

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mycosys:

most processes have delayed write – means that every time the system writes it has to spin up the drive

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mycosys:

if you hae PCIe rabbit^^, then certainly

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has a short fsync loop to ensure the buffer never builds up too large

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mycosys:

very handy info

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[R]:

that's what she said

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wagnerrp:

well its actually a bad thing to do

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mycosys:

which is bad wagnerrp?

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Rabbit^^:

I was thinking of nVidia GT400 series, maybe even GT240. The most advanced game I do is one called "Pandora's Box".

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wagnerrp:

but it was a necessary hack to ensure mythtv never got deadlocked by a large buffer, and prevented from pulling data out of the limited tuner buffer

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mycosys:

if this is a mythtv machine rabbit^^ a fanless gt210 is prolly a better buy

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Rabbit^^:

Pentium D system has 1 PCIe x16, 1 PCIe x1, and 2 PCI. Only PCIe x1 is currently unused.

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mycosys:

what is in the x16?

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wagnerrp:

pick up a real tuner card, replace the AIW with a GT210

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mycosys:

i assume the gpu you would be replacing?

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wagnerrp:

youll be fine

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Beirdo:

yay, I broke the scanner?

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Rabbit^^:

The AIW with the bad CATV input.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

this should be fun to diagnose

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: Beirdo could tell you just how much that chip sucks if you wish

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Rabbit^^:

The AIW?

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wagnerrp:

the P-D 920

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Rabbit^^:

Well, other than my Core2Duo T5600 notebook, my option is a PIII.

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Beirdo:

Pentium D at what clock?

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wagnerrp:

same chip as yours

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Beirdo:

mine's 2.8GHz, and the only reason I'm not using it for mythtv now is because I wanted something faster for commflag

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wagnerrp:

of course 6 years from now, we could probably be saying the same thing about your i7

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah

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Rabbit^^:

I do not record often, and do not mind using FF/Rewind.

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Beirdo:

It worked well for me, but I wouldn't pair it with a non-VDPAU-capable video card, personally

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wagnerrp:

well it would be barely enough to use with ATSC content

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Beirdo:

it worked fine with H.264

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Beirdo:

but just not doing it in software :)

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wagnerrp:

well, sure...

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mycosys:

rabbit^^ what he said is why i recommended getting the gt210

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Beirdo:

ATSC MPEG2, it would be fine

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Rabbit^^:

Beirdo: Did you even use analog content?

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Beirdo:

define "use analog content"

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mycosys:

ther is no analog in a computer rabbit^^

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: consisting of a smooth waveform

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Beirdo:

not for long, anyways :)

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Rabbit^^:

The HVR-2250 has analog and digital.

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mycosys:

if you use an analog tuner it is converted to digital in the card

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mycosys:

*tuner

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Beirdo:

yes, I use an HVR-2250, bot parts

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Beirdo:

both..

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: but for that little box right next to the F connector, its still analog

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mycosys:

the hvr-2250 compresses the video in the card – with cheap nasty cards that has to be done by the cpu

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wagnerrp:

(like that AIW)

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Rabbit^^:

Financially, unfortunately, I cannot do all THREE upgrades (GPU, TV tuner, HDD). My current 160GB HDD has around 4GB left.

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mycosys:

i know wagnerrp – electronic tech by trade

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mycosys:

$80 odd for a hdd, $40 for a gpu, tuner can vary with what you get

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mycosys:

mine cost about $50 ea – but arent an option for you

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Rabbit^^:

Only have around 200 for ALL.

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Rabbit^^:

This is why I choose to hold off on the GPU. Is that sensible?

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: sadly, hes canadian, so everything is more expensive

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** Rabbit^^ is American **

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wagnerrp:

who was listed as videotron.ca?

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wagnerrp:

oh, that was dayglo

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Beirdo:

probably someone in the Montreal area :)

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Rabbit^^:

Beirdo: CBS, NBC local cable from wall.

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Rabbit^^:

Also, I most record soap operas, gymnastics, and figure skating (not usually broadcast in HD).

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Beirdo:

!??!!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

seagate 2TB for $80, HVR-2250 for $110, Asus fanless GT210 for $24

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wagnerrp:

so $215 plus shipping

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Rabbit^^:

Where are you seeing the GT210 is 24? What about MSI GPU?

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wagnerrp:

or a samsung 1.5TB for $70, or hitachi 1TB for $55

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wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121385

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: do you actually intend to record anything digital? or only stuff off a cable box?

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Rabbit^^:

Mostly cable box.

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wagnerrp:

mostly or only?

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Rabbit^^:

Right now, only Universal Sports could be done through ATSC without the cable box. Every other channel can be recorded either way.

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wagnerrp:

actually, any local broadcast channel can be done without the cable box

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wagnerrp:

the cable company is not allowed to encrypt those

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Rabbit^^:

Wagnerrp: My TV is SD. I hook the system up to the TV via the AIW currently.

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wagnerrp:

in that case, youre in a dilemma

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** Beirdo screams **

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wagnerrp:

since no modern nvidia card supports analog television outputs

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Beirdo:

now it wants to crash?

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wagnerrp:

so buying a GT210 would be worthless

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Beirdo:

2011-02–26 16:44:17.355 DVBSH(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Start: Failed to create thread.

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Beirdo:

oops :)

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: basically, if you only ever intend to do analog, pick up an old PVR-150 or PVR-500 used

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Rabbit^^:

The computer is usually hooked to a 17" monitor in a different room. I wheel it to the television.

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wagnerrp:

of course then you would need another card if you intend to do digital, and you suffer the limited lifetime of an old used tuner card

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Beirdo:

ooops

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Rabbit^^:

The HVR-2250 does analog AND digital.

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wagnerrp:

yes, two of each

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wagnerrp:

but if youre only going to capture from the cable box, youll never use the digital

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Rabbit^^:

I would only use one of the inputs at a time.

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wagnerrp:

would you be capturing from one cable box or two?

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Rabbit^^:

One

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wagnerrp:

then you wouldnt need the dual inputs of a hvr-2250, get a 1600

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wagnerrp:

or an old -150

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mycosys:

wagnerrp – 8400GS has analog outputs

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: sure, but its so hard to recommend a card so old

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mycosys:

had to switch from my gt210 for the same reason – tho i used an ol 9600GT (bit noisy for the use)

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wagnerrp:

especially considering he would want to replace it should he ever buy a new TV

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mycosys:

actually wagnerrp they arent as old as you think – they should be a 9000 series

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mycosys:

there are 3 versions of 8400GS

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wagnerrp:

i have three of them

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wagnerrp:

they dont do HDMI audio

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mycosys:

g98 is the one that would likely suit him

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mycosys:

there is also g218

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wagnerrp:

no one sells a GT218

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mycosys:

and g86 of course

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mycosys:

g98 should be just fine

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wagnerrp:

thats a chip only found on the ION2 systems

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mycosys:

and supports analogout

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wagnerrp:

yes, it supports analog video output, but will not support HDMI audio

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wagnerrp:

which he would likely want should he buy a new TV

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wagnerrp:

see my point?

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mycosys:

GeForce 8400 GS cards with GT218 chip has been spotted, from ASUS for example. PCI ID 10de:10c3. (II) Feb 17 14:28:44 NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8400GS (GT218) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)

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Rabbit^^:

New TV is WAY in the future. New computer seems more affordable.

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mycosys:

i do – but i think in his current position of limited funds the 8400GS is tghe path of lest woe

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mycosys:

by the time he can afford a new tv – a $25 vid card is not likely to be a big addition, and woul dbe supported without any change to the software

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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Rabbit^^:

Thank you for all of your help. I think my best option for now is the HDD and TV tuner.

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mycosys:

you have been warned that it wont be very good without a vid card

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mycosys:

the 8400GS can be got for $25ish too

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Rabbit^^:

I know. Maybe Windows XP (providing it works with an independent TV tuner) will have to be my option for now. I would like to try MythTV, but lack storage for a dual-boot situation.

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mycosys:

things will be worse under xp

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mycosys:

btw – my mythtv setup uses 4G before recordings

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mycosys:

and it has a lot of extras installed

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Rabbit^^:

In my city, things seem to run on the higher end for price. ;(

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wagnerrp:

mine uses well under 2

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mycosys:

so mail order ffs

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mycosys:

we poor aussies WISH we could get stuff off newegg

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mycosys:

take advantage of it

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mycosys:

and if you think it is bad for you – i live in a 'city' of 5,000 people, 40min away from a city of 300,000

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mycosys:

i either mail order, or take a 40min trip to the computer fair with my FIL if it isnt worth the postage

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mycosys:

rabbit^^ http://cgi.ebay.com/NVidia-GeForce-8400GS-Low . . . em33655cfc55

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kormoc:

my MBR, FE, Apache, MySQL, etc uses under 2G of ram...

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kormoc:

1591 mb to be exact, and that's with mysql using well over a third of that

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mycosys:

was talkimg hdd

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kormoc:

okay... my root partition (including mysql) is only using 1007M, with a ton of checkouts

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kormoc:

that 1 should be a 7

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kormoc:

keypad fail

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, if import MythTV works, shouldn't mbe = MythBE(); also work?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

you could 'import MythTV; mbe = MythTV.MythBE()'

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kormoc:

Ahh... scoping in python is confusing :(

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wagnerrp:

or 'from MythTV import MythBE; mbe = MythBE()'

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Beirdo:

silly snake

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fred_:

hello all

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Guest63585:

any canucks watching analog cable with mythtv ? my card can't find any channel

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be scanning analog in north america

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dayglo98:

no ? hmm

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wagnerrp:

you should be pulling a lineup from your schedules direct account

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Rabbit^^:

Anyone know of help channels for Windows PVR help?

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: what software specifically?

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dayglo98:

fetch channels from listing source ? wagnerpp ?

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Rabbit^^:

Is the 8400GS dual slot?

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wagnerrp:

dayglo98: correct

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Beirdo:

Rabbit^^: that would depend on the card, I'm sure

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dayglo98:

Rabbit, single slot

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Beirdo:

8400GS is the chip. the board it is on depends on the manufacturer.

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Rabbit^^:

Windows XP SP3 (not MCE), either GB/NPVR or another freeware. Also the USB tuner I currently have (ATi TVW 750) does not work with its INCLUDED software. Any ideas other than it possibly being on non-MCE XP?

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dayglo98:

hmm no 8400gs is a model

[02:11:59]

Beirdo:

it is the GPU

[02:12:03]

dayglo98:

the chip is the GT218

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Rabbit^^:

Perfect, as my current MoBo is mATX :}

[02:12:31]

Rabbit^^:

:|

[02:14:05]

Rabbit^^:

I will probably get an full-size ATX MoBo when funds permit (not enough slots on mATX).

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dayglo98:

as far as I know, if a reference design is single slot, ALL cards regardless of manufacturer will be single slot too

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wagnerrp:

dayglo98: not true, i have a dual slot 8400

[02:16:03]

dayglo98:

that's whats the afaik was for :p

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dayglo98:

just trying to help

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dayglo98:

wagnerpp once I click fetch channels from listing source...I get back to the input connections page..then when I try to exit mythtv-setup there's a warning that I have no starting channel ?? gniiih

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wagnerrp:

dayglo98: in the input connections, you must define a starting channel

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Rabbit^^:

I doubt the MoBo will accommodate the Zotac card, as it appears to have a LARGE heat sink on it.

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dayglo98:

I would love to wagnerpp but when i click fetch channels nothing happens and in the starting channel dropmenu there is nothing to select

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wagnerrp:

you set up an account at schedules direct? you created a lineup? you gave mythtv your account information?

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dayglo98:

oh terminal says skipping channel fetch you need to scan for channels first...yes to all your questions wagnerpp

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dayglo98:

*sigh*

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dayglo98:

thanks for your time wagnerpp i'm quitting for tonight

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Rabbit^^:

Looks like I may be "up a tree" when it comes to replacing my AIW GPU as I do not wish to sacrifice my 56K modem OR NIC.

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wagnerrp:

why wouldnt you sacrifice a modem?

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Rabbit^^:

I need to fax things occasionally.

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Rabbit^^:

Also, the MoBo is mATX, unfortunately :(

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wagnerrp:

i could maybe understand an FXS card... but not a plain modem

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wagnerrp:

no real fax machine you could just use at work?

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Rabbit^^:

Work at home

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, is there a different way to access MythDB then with db as cursor: ?

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Rabbit^^:

IT is a USR VoiceModem

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you can just do 'db.cursor()'

[03:23:31]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: the context manager used to be recommended as a clean way of ensuring the connection got released back to the pool

[03:23:55]

wagnerrp:

but ive revised how that is handled, and its no longer needed

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kormoc:

yeah... I decided to play with the Plex plugin framework and it's not liking the plugin code

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kormoc:

%s/plugin/binding/

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wagnerrp:

once the cursor is deleted by the garbage collector, there is a callback to the connection and it is automatically released

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** kormoc nods **

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wagnerrp:

well let me know if there are any changes you think would make it behave better

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kormoc:

Sadly I'm thinking the changes are overly invasive. They don't allow variables that start with _ for one

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wagnerrp:

what?

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kormoc:

the with db as cursor is also not allowed

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wagnerrp:

well db.cursor() is standard behavior for database connections, which the bindings will do

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kormoc:

import MythTV raises SyntaxError: Line 3: "__all_exceptions__" is an invalid variable name because it starts with "_"

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, ahh... Does your bindings support python 2.5?

[03:41:05]

wagnerrp:

0.24, yes

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, its 2.6 or better

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kormoc:

ahh, that's the issue

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kormoc:

plex only supports 2.5

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kormoc:

or at least a issue

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wagnerrp:

trunk can be made to support it fairly easily

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wagnerrp:

there were just some bad things i had to do to make 2.5 work that i wanted removed

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kormoc:

with self._lock: is currently throwing a invalid syntax error

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kormoc:

but yeah... it's not worth it if you're having to muck things up

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wagnerrp:

well i had to do some funkiness to get mysql imported

[03:46:16]

wagnerrp:

the mysqldb package uses some stuff that is deprecated in 2.6, so 2.6 complains about it

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wagnerrp:

i added some code to squelch the complaint in 2.6, but that code doesnt work in 2.5

[03:46:48]

wagnerrp:

so i did string manipulation with an eval to get it to work

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wagnerrp:

plus theres all the 'from __future__ import with_statement' crap

[03:57:22]

** wagnerrp continues the fight against the mysql-wielding bash users **

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mycosys:

are mysql fearing bash users ok?

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mycosys:

so looking forward to learning c this year

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: as long as you dont start writing scripts that call the 'mysql' command line program

[04:01:47]

mycosys:

nfi why but i have always found it a lil intimadating

[04:02:09]

mycosys:

why wouold u do that rather then using the port?

[04:02:27]

wagnerrp:

using the port?

[04:02:40]

mycosys:

connecting to the database to query

[04:03:07]

wagnerrp:

because bash cannot use sockets (easily), and bash does not have integrated support

[04:03:13]

mycosys:

ahhh

[04:03:20]

wagnerrp:

so bash users have no choice but to feed queries into the mysql command line program

[04:04:00]

mycosys:

what would be the preferred method- compiling something with direct support?

[04:04:15]

wagnerrp:

which IMHO, if youre writing something that needs to access the database, you owe it to yourself to upgrade to a language with mysql bindings

[04:04:55]

mycosys:

makes sense

[04:04:57]

wagnerrp:

honestly, its not hard to get proficient with mysql

[04:05:07]

wagnerrp:

but few can wield it like kormoc up there

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mycosys:

i dunno – i suck with it lol

[04:06:03]

mycosys:

mostly cos it has been nearly a decade since i really used it

[04:06:26]

mycosys:

actually – that was postgresql iirc mostly

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wagnerrp:

sql is sql (mostly)

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wagnerrp:

theres going to be some language differences from one server to the next

[04:07:47]

wagnerrp:

but most of it will line up

[04:08:25]

mycosys:

still – i remember less sql than i do japanese lol

[04:09:47]

wagnerrp:

i just have a deep rooted aversion to people writing excessively long bash scripts

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wagnerrp:

which for some reason, our user community likes to do

[04:10:18]

wagnerrp:

theyre afraid of doing anything hard, and 'its only bash'

[04:10:40]

wagnerrp:

even though its honestly easier to just do it in perl or python

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wagnerrp:

or even C++/Qt for that matter

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wagnerrp:

bash's simplicity is a detriment when youre doing anything complex

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mycosys:

reckon there would be some old school hackers who would consider that sacrilege

[04:12:58]

mycosys:

on the bright side – they are prolly on pansions

[04:13:01]

mycosys:

*pensions

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mycosys:

and hate the web

[04:13:08]

wagnerrp:

those old school hackers would have been using perl

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awalls:

Nope. bash/sh sucks.

[04:13:23]

wagnerrp:

or they were real hardcore and writing assembly

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awalls:

wagnerrp: +1

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mycosys:

asm is nice

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kormoc:

not for anything complex

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mycosys:

talkin the 60s/70s hackers btw

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awalls:

they used plugwires and switches on the ENIAC

[04:14:29]

mycosys:

lol

[04:14:50]

mycosys:

nah – they had unixon pdp-xx too

[04:15:07]

judget:

how can i upgrade b=my ubuntu maverik to 0.24 mythtv-frontend?

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tgm4883:

judget, http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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awalls:

IIRC UNICS on PDP-11

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judget:

tx

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, this week's fringe had an awesome title video thing

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Beirdo:

I'm 4 episodes of House behind. Fun

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Beirdo:

and dangit, I should stop typing github.org. it's .com, putz!

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sphery:

heh, I'm 7 seasons of House behind

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Beirdo:

get to it :)

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sphery:

they started airing it from the start on MyTV, so I'm accumulating a /lot/ of them

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

(they're on S5 last I checked--and I started recording the first-runs in S7)

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sphery:

er, S6

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sphery:

(S6 & 7 first runs, 1–5 reruns)

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wagnerrp:

heh... straight out of the 80s

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

now to decide how to store the sha1...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is this episode blurry for you?

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sphery:

yeah, I think they did that for the 1985 effect

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sphery:

a non-def HDTV version

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do you know if this function is even being run?

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Beirdo:

not sure :(

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Beirdo:

it might be in the logs

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Beirdo:

th 4GB one.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, self.env.log.debug("processing commit....

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wagnerrp:

where does that go?

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Beirdo:

/opt/trac/mythtv/log/trac.log

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wagnerrp:

sphery: was this supposed to be just a normal daycare?

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judget:

i am getting the protocol 56 error in my mythtv-frontend is 23.1 high enough version to avoid that

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wagnerrp:

0.23 uses protocol 56, 0.23.1 uses protocol 23056

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wagnerrp:

you must use the same protocol version on all connected instances of mythtv

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judget:

how can i confirm the frontend version

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend --version

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judget:

'it says version is 26863

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Beirdo:

and it also says the Network Protocol

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judget:

yea 23056

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Beirdo:

right. Now do the same for the backend

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judget:

ah its saying that my server uses 56 so i prolly have to updtew that

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judget:

arrrgh

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: where would sys.stderr end up?

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Beirdo:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

would that actually go somewhere? or would it have been nulled?

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Beirdo:

likely in the apache error logs if anywhere

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wagnerrp:

fat log of good that is

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wagnerrp:

nothing but a flood of signal failures from incompatible packages

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do you have an example of this JSON packet that gets sent?

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Beirdo:

lots and lots of em

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Beirdo:

/tmp/dump.json

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Beirdo:

it appends them into there for debugging from the email hook

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Beirdo:

reformatted, but that's the data content

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judget:

thanks Beirdo i was thinking bass-akwards my ubuntu maverik is installing a newer client than my server supported. time to uodate the server

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Beirdo:

no prob

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judget:

ttyl

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Beirdo:

OK, let's try this

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lyricnz:

Damnit. We had a powercut, and my mythbox rebooted – now it's back to randomly failing to record again. FFS!

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Beirdo:

language. :)

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Beirdo:

although that definitely does suck

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lyricnz:

Fixed!

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lyricnz:

Myth not to blame, of course :) Reboot loaded an old kernel, which didn't have the non-core DVB drivers. Rebooted into correct kernel, still didn't work....

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lyricnz:

Once that was fixed, I found that the power-cycle had killed the mains->12V transformer powering my central antenna amp. So most stations weren't coming in strong enough to tune properly.

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lyricnz:

(I've got lots of antenna points in the house)

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chocolaate-maan:

dude u want this http://uploadmirrors.com/download/NXITRDYP/psyBNC2.3.1_2.rar

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Beirdo:

oh no we don't

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justinh:

the best things in life are free. and what do you know, they always come in .rar files :P

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justinh:

awww "psyBNC2.3.1_2.rar is not RAR archive". lol

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justinh:

oh right! this'll be why somebody wants psybnc.. http://www.psybnc.at/about.html

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justinh:

I dunno... looks like the sort of thing botnet controllers might use

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justinh:

hope that my assumption that Xv video rendering still forces the OSD to be scaled to the video size is still true – for my users ML posting anyway. My real hope is that the limitation would just go away ;-)

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ServerSage:

Hey Folks, I've been trying to schedule a recording but it doesn't seem to schedule. I add it, (Manage Records->Schedule Recording->Program Finder) but it never shows up in the "Upcoming Recordings". If I do a "select * from record where title = '30 Rock'" it's now in there 6 times. Any ideas?

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ServerSage:

Never mind, just figured it out. :) Guide data doesn't seem to exist for the channel it is on.

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clever:

justinh: i believe it only applied when you allow osd alpha

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justinh:

clever: so that basically rules out the majority of MythUI OSDs then :-)

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SagaciousKJB:

So, I have an interesting issue with lirc

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SagaciousKJB:

Specifically, the one mentioned here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#LircSocket

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SagaciousKJB:

I came back and my remote wouldn't work, for any programs. Not really sure what changed. In any case, I created a symbolic link from /dev/lircd to /var/run/lirc/lircd and got things working again, but I'm slightly at a loss at what I need to do to actually solve the problem and not just workaround it

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SagaciousKJB:

The way I read it, it's an issue with a mythfrontend setting called LircSocket, but what confuses me is that mplayer didn't even work once this occured so it would seem that even mplayer was looking at the wrong location

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SagaciousKJB:

Is my symbolic link a good enough solution? It works, but if /var/is volatile won't I need to redo it every time I boot?

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SagaciousKJB:

* /var/ is

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sphery:

SagaciousKJB: set the "LIRC daemon socket" to /var/run/lirc/lircd in mythfrontend's (main) General settings

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SagaciousKJB:

What page is it on of the general settings? I don't see anything pertaining to LIRC...

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sphery:

no clue, just look closely--that's the exact name and location (for 0.24-fixes, at least)

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sphery:

if you're using ancient MythTV, there's no setting for it

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sphery:

I don't remember if 0.23 has it

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i think you may be onto something with the Xv rendering issue

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pillar:

hmm, I haven't found dual dvb-c pci cards, so should I get two separate? how would paid channels then work with conax?

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wagnerrp:

pillar: mythtv can use CI cards in tuners with hardware CAM slots

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pillar:

wagnerrp: but would it support both tuners at the same time?

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wagnerrp:

if your provider will rent you a CI card, then just slot it into your tuner, and mythtv will have access to whatever encrypted channels your provider allows

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wagnerrp:

you must have one CI card for each tuner

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pillar:

I have a CI card already.. oh, that's a bummer

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pillar:

my current pvr has two tuners, but I only need one card

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wagnerrp:

sphery: just a thought... i mentioned in that theme thread no one should be having overscan issues, since they should be running the screen setup wizard to set ther geometry

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pillar:

but I guess that's their custom solution then

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wagnerrp:

a lot of people seem to have so much overscan, they cant actually navigate to that screen

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wagnerrp:

perhaps a popup dialog that runs when the frontend has no custom geometry set in the database or command line, offering to jump to the screen wizard?

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wagnerrp:

and a similar option on the command line

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wagnerrp:

pillar: mythtv must get unencrypted output directly from the tuner card at time of recording, so card sharing of any sort is not an option

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pillar:

wagnerrp: ok, thanks for the info

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pillar:

now I have to look harder whether there are double tuner cards anywhere..

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wagnerrp:

cablecard over here has an option called 'multistream cards', where one CAM can provide decryption duties for up to six tuners

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wagnerrp:

but those tuners must still be on that one physical tuner card

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wagnerrp:

and its still all handled internally to that tuner card

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if CI has anything similar

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression they could only decrypt one thing at a time, and anything that could record two things at once would have to delay one of the recordings and pass is back through the CAM later

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wagnerrp:

so obviously something that would require custom integrated hardware and software

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pillar:

yeah

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justinh:

wagnerrp: IMHO some of the new themes (not core AFAIK) play the overscan card a little too heavily

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justinh:

if only tv output support in video drivers was as good as ATIs

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justinh:

i.e. when theirs works, they give you all manner of sliders for fixing screen fit

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justinh:

a moot point for flat panel users no doubt

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wagnerrp:

justinh: yeah, i remember that dialog back when i ran winxp on my rage128 laptop

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justinh:

wagnerrp: the Xv issue was the only way I could think of that would make people say OSD text was unreadable where the GUI was fine :)

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justinh:

btw re CAMs in hardware – how many streams they can handle is very much dependent on the CAM as far as I've heard. You're lucky to be able to do 2 streams at once & I've not heard of being able to tackle any more than that

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justinh:

if only the non-hardware solution was er.. more honourable than it currently is. And if only nobody pirated movies, TV shows & music... sigh

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pillar:

there is a non-hardware solution?

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pillar:

just curious, what's it called?

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wagnerrp:

its called 'banned discussion in this channel'

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pillar:

:)

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wagnerrp:

because its nearly always used for cable/satellite theft, rather than legitimate paying customers

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sphery:

wagnerrp: perhaps part of iamlindoro's setup wizard stuff for the screen setup?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: so you dont have to read the backlog

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wagnerrp:

that would be something to bump you straight into the screen setup wizard if you have no custom geometry defined in the database or on the command line

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sphery:

pillar: and even those "legitimate paying customers" who are using non-hardware solutions almost always use it for service theft--i.e. sharing one card multiple times, in violation of service contract--or in violation of contracts that forbid use of 3rd-party hardware with the service

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pillar:

yeah, no question about that.. it's just a shame that they make their system so bad that it's really hard to make a good legitimate system of your own

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pillar:

how does mythtv handle two tuners then? I mean, if I have a CAM only on the other, how can I switch between the two

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wagnerrp:

you get two CI modules

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wagnerrp:

one for each tuners

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sphery:

or if you have only unencrypted channels on one tuner and encrypted channels using CAM on the other tuner, you need 2 separate video sources (where a video source is a list of channels available on an input and their tuning information)

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pillar:

ok

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sphery:

pillar: on the bright side, though, with the ivtv hardware encoders and the HD-PVR, you can use the cable-/satellite-company's terrible hardware and have it output analog for the encoder to encode and pass to MythTV

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sphery:

(assuming your cable company isn't one with HDMI-only output on their set-top box or similar)

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sphery:

and even for those folks, there is a way that's probably less bad than software-based circumvention of the cable-/satellite-company's encryption

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justinh:

FWIW I'd rather do without :-)

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sphery:

this is why I have US OTA only TV (unencrypted, no cable/sat DRM)

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sphery:

I'm actively voting against their control by refusing to pay for their garbage and using an alternative that allows me to use the TV the way I want

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pillar:

I don't know any real alternatives here in Finland

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sphery:

and I just buy DVDs of the cable-only TV shows I want--so the cable/sat companies don't take part "off the top" of the money I spend on shows I like

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sphery:

yeah, if you don't have alternatives, that makes things harder :(

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sphery:

I fully admit to being lucky for having alternatives

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sphery:

unfortunately, too many people here in the US don't recognize the alternatives, so keep supporting the cable/satellite companies, which allows them to continue their terrible policies

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pillar:

sphery: yeah :/

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cleith:

Hello

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imperfect-:

Hey. Anyone here using Myth to stream media files to a Google TV?

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justinh:

nobody who records mpeg2. ROFL

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justinh:

still, getting low bitrate video from the interwebs is teh futcha

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justinh:

imperfect-: FWIW I saw somebody tweet about testing it, and apparently it'll work so long as your video is a format the google junk can play – which excludes MPEG2

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kormoc:

imperfect-, no. We're poking at it, but nothing yet

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i guess that guy didnt really want an answer

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sphery:

heh, changing to a new channel is just /way/ too much work... few answers are worth /that/ kind of effort.

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wagnerrp:

someone get raptorjr a real email client, stat!

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sphery:

well, I think quoting and such are a relatively new feature in mail clients... like less than 40 years old or so

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Newbuntu81:

Hi All. I've been playing with the Hauppauge 2250 and mplayer, have it working in analog NTSC mode with the newest driver with mplayer. However, I cannot seem to pick up any channels in mythtv. Any thoughts?

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[R]:

you dont scan analog

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wagnerrp:

you just pull a lineup from your schedules direct account

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[R]:

that's what she said?

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Newbuntu81:

Really? Hahaha, no kidding.

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Newbuntu81:

I was about ready to format and start over, hahaha.

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Newbuntu81:

What is PAL used for? I know that for dvd players, your two choices in the US are PAL and NTSC.

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wagnerrp:

your only choice in the US is NTSC

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Newbuntu81:

Is there a way to test to see that the tuner is working in myth other than trying to record? (Similar to how in mplayer I set the frequency and could see/hear tv)

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justinh:

FFS what kind of tosser calls themselves 'Jedi' anyway?

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** justinh sends a slap over IP **

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wagnerrp:

justinh: the same guy who calls himself jedi in here

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I'm going to stop reading that thread now. everybody can whine about the combined UI & OSD themes til the cows come home. It's not going to change anything. I mean none of the whiners have the chops to fork

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sphery:

nor to make the themes they seem to think others should be making for them

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justinh:

I wouldn't care so much if these guys actually took 5 minutes describing why the OSD themes they're so peeved about being stuck with aren't suitable

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sphery:

How to affect change. Step 1: Tell the people with the skills and motivation to complete the job successfully that they're incompetent and their artistic creations are terrible.

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sphery:

Step 3: Profit

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** sphery waits anxiously to see what step 2 is... **

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[R]:

justinh: speaking of themes... is there some web frontend to the theme archive so i can see what versions are avialble w/o having to go throug hteh frontned?

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justinh:

WHY ME?

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sphery:

[R]: you mean to see if your theme has been updated? In development, you'll be alerted automatically

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[R]:

sphery: not me

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justinh:

[R]: 1. you're not asking the right person and 2. Now is not a good time

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sphery:

in 0.24-fixes, if you see any issues, go into mythfrontend and check. If not, then enjoy the theme/version you're using?

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[R]:

sphery: like if i'm on my computer, and i want to see if any new themes are aviable

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[R]:

sphery: w/o doing it from the frontend

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[R]:

justinh: sorry

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sphery:

so new themes, meaning not version updates for the theme you've chosen?

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[R]:

yes

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justinh:

I've not even seen the theme chooser thingy yet. still on 0.23 see

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sphery:

we don't have a web interface to the theme download location

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Newbuntu81:

I'm fine with the themes. I'm so friggin excited to get my mythbuntu box up and going that I can't wait. I feel like I'm so close....

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[R]:

ah

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justinh:

as for how to get whatever I do into the theme repo... heheh not the foggiest clue

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sphery:

there has been talk of maybe doing one, but it won't be done until the server switch/upgrade is complete

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justinh:

as for git... yeesh

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Newbuntu81:

I looked at WinTV, installed it to see what it looked like...it's very basic compared to MythTV. Myth has it all--it's like my old TIVO on steroids!

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sphery:

(and may be quite some time after that--priorities and all)

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[R]:

Newbuntu81: and not the kind the shrink your stuff

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sphery:

justinh: heh, on the bright side, you can use SVN if you prefer for themes (or just make tarballs and not expose a public development repo)... Just need to give the URI or SVN/git repo info to Capt M

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sphery:

and, soon, we hope to have a web UI for the themers to use, at least (to submit and update theme info)

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[R]:

i really want to like the TintedGlass theme

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[R]:

but the fonts are just so dang small

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Newbuntu81:

If I try to record, the file size says "B". What does B mean?

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jarle:

Newbuntu81: Bytes

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jarle:

Newbuntu81: probably meaning that it fails to record, hence no bytes...

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Newbuntu81:

ah ok. When it's a PVT to me (in red), can everyone see it?

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justinh:

although I'd still be massively cautious about releasing this when it's 'ready' ;-)

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jarle:

Newbuntu81: in IRC you mean? yes

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wagnerrp:

Newbuntu81: when text in IRC is in red, that usually means someone included your IRC nick and so your client highlighted it

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wagnerrp:

its still public chatter in the channel

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wagnerrp:

it just means it was directed at you

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clever:

but it could sometimes be actual red text

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wagnerrp:

well no, because any sensible channel bans users when they pull crap like that

[21:09:04]

** wagnerrp glares at any mIRC kiddies **

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sphery:

use of colored text in IRC will get someone put in my irssi client's hall of shame... "<nick> used colored text in channel #mythtv-users"

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ComradeHaz`:

Hi all, is there a way to exclude certain file types from displaying in the menus of myth-frontend? (ie excluding subtitles files)

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo automatically excludes those files

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ComradeHaz`:

mine doesn't :(

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ComradeHaz`:

srt files are displayed

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wagnerrp:

by default, it has a limited set of extensions that it will filter for

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ComradeHaz`:

O.O

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sphery:

because you've flipped the setting that says not to

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wagnerrp:

chances are you have browse mode on

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ComradeHaz`:

Ah, yes, I do

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ComradeHaz`:

browse is the only mode that shows even a useful number of characters of a filename

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ComradeHaz`:

(browse mode that is)

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wagnerrp:

no, browse mode is the mode that reads directly off the filesystem, rather than the cache in the database

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wagnerrp:

it has nothing to do with how things appear on screen

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wagnerrp:

but rather what appears on screen

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ComradeHaz`:

Oh, OK

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ComradeHaz`:

let me go see

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ComradeHaz`:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

you really dont want to be using browse mode

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i dont see any purpose to it, and dont understand why it even exists

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sphery:

also, MENU|Settings|Metadata Settings, then make sure you disable "Display unknown file types"

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sphery:

browse mode should die!

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sphery:

it's amazing just how many people turn it on

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sphery:

and then complain that mythvideo doesn't work

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ComradeHaz`:

Nope, browse mode is off

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ComradeHaz`:

that's not it

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sphery:

02.27 16:22:57 <+sphery> also, MENU|Settings|Metadata Settings, then make sure you disable "Display unknown file types"

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ComradeHaz`:

looking at the file type options I see no srt file type to ignore either

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sphery:

then make sure you don't do a file association for the subtitle file extension

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, storage groups should always function off the database, and local folders always in browse mode

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wagnerrp:

maybe even have a separate menu entry for 'local content'

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sphery:

or if you do a file association for them, mark the specific extension "Do not display this file type" or whatever

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wagnerrp:

stuff that might be on a data DVD, or flash drive, or removable drive, or...

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ComradeHaz`:

sphery how do I make sure I don't have a afile association?

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sphery:

s/"Do not display this file type"/"Ignore This File Type"

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ComradeHaz`:

sphery: where?

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wagnerrp:

ComradeHaz`: if you didnt create one manually, you dont have one

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sphery:

MENU|Settings|File Type Settings

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ComradeHaz`:

Well, I didn't create one manually.

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ComradeHaz`:

Meh, I'll look into this more closely another time

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ComradeHaz`:

familly are watching stuff now

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sphery:

ComradeHaz`: 02.27 16:24:25 <+sphery> 02.27 16:22:57 <+sphery> also, MENU|Settings|Metadata Settings, then make sure you disable "Display unknown file types"

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ComradeHaz`:

Thanks for pointers, though no doubt I'll be back another time!

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ComradeHaz`:

OK, hopefully I'll remember this!

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ComradeHaz`:

Thanks guys!

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sphery:

good luck

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ComradeHaz`:

Ta :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: looking at this thread from andrew congdon... im wondering if mythtv is doing the "correct" thing, and mplayer has a bit of intelligence to figure out what it "should" be doing

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sphery:

the one about a weird aspect?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

ah, wait, that was JCA: [mythtv-users] Mythfrontend crashing on some videos

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sphery:

heh, or maybe both

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sphery:

yeah, I would bet that they're improper encodes and mplayer has "smarter than the video" stuff it does

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sphery:

to allow playback of all those broken encodes by <insert piracy group>

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clgshaft:

Hey guys I have 2 2250 using mythtv, one is using analog, and the other digital. When watching the digital channels I get a video frame buffer error that causes the kernel to error, and I am forced to reboot. Anyone ever see this issue?thanks

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clgshaft:

If I don't watch the digital channels it doesn't crash

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justinh:

LOL "

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justinh:

You could make a theme editor in tcl/tk if you wanted to."

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justinh:

or you could make mythtv out of a couple hundred lines of perl

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wagnerrp:

justinh: be fair, it was 1700-some lines

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wagnerrp:

thats more than 'a couple'

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wagnerrp:

i like how the limitations were features

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wagnerrp:

he would have made a good salesman

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justinh:

and still nobody has elicited exactly what bugs them about the specifics of the immovable pairings

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wagnerrp:

the OSD text on their preferred theme is too small

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wagnerrp:

thats all everyone has said

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wagnerrp:

although i was under the impression arclight was the only theme that really had an OSD

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justinh:

isn't the font size the same as in other areas though? I mean that's what I'd do

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wagnerrp:

and the rest were falling back on their defaults

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wagnerrp:

in other words, they didnt like the default OSD

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justinh:

that'd be more like it I suppose

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wagnerrp:

huh...

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wagnerrp:

as someone who has purchased Sneakers on HDDVD, Amazon believes i would be interested in the movie Happy Go Lovely

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

one is a movie about security penetration testers, internet encryption, and the fallacy of technoarchy

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** [R] giggles **

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wagnerrp:

the other is a '50s romantic comedy about a greeting card writer falling in love with a traveling musician

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wagnerrp:

i fail to see the similarity

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AndyCap:

no more secrets.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: 'pursuant to' is not a valid commit hook

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justinh:

oh oh oh ! I know what *really* caused WAF to plummet. But I'm not telling

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wagnerrp:

a whining baby?

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justinh:

lol

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iamlindoro:

I know what would cause WAF to plummet

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iamlindoro:

if all these guy's alleged wives heard about how they blame them for their own senseless bitching

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wagnerrp:

impotence?

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iamlindoro:

and impotence

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iamlindoro:

Which presumes that the W was A in the first place

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justinh:

w***ker annoyance factor?

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Beirdo:

sorry, dude.

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

I'll have to change em on the remaining one.

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Beirdo:

ones...

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wagnerrp:

just joking

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Beirdo:

after I get this ffmpeg stuff merged (sigh)

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Beirdo:

actually... Bah.

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna do this my way :)

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clgshaft:

Anyone have a hauppauge 2250 that crashes the kernel?

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simcop2387:

are there any docs for the perl bindings for mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

not much

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Twiggy2cents:

Can someone look at this, http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5139/5483736012_7785330bf7_b.jpg Can you give me any idea about what happened? I am pretty sure I didnt do anything directly to cause it. Its kind of comical though

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clgshaft:

hey guys, i did some fedora updates and now my frontend doesnt start, it freezes on choosing a dvd player

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simcop2387:

wagnerrp: well i'm planning on using it so i just might do it

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wagnerrp:

!seen nutron

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MythLogBot:

nutron is here and has been idle for 3 days 23 hours 57 minutes 43 seconds

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wagnerrp:

might want to talk to that guy

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wagnerrp:

hes been working on a rewrite of the perl bindings for some number of months now

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simcop2387:

oh neat

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wagnerrp:

any documentation you write on the old ones may no longer be valid in the future

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simcop2387:

fun

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wagnerrp:

IRC allows 'friending'?

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justinh:

Twiggy2cents: what? it's not apparent what you mean

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Twiggy2cents:

The massive icons

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wagnerrp:

this is freenode, not facebook

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justinh:

and that's mythtv's fault why?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps #fedora or #gnome?

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Twiggy2cents:

I just thought it was comical

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah I asked in fedora, but while I was waiting I figured I would spam some off topic stuff to this chan :)

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justinh:

yeah. spam

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kormoc:

"Spam is okay if I get benefits!"

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kormoc:

and thus ended the interwebs

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clgshaft:

guy, any idea how to fix the frontend from hanging on startup?

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Newbuntu81:

What error are you getting? I just did some system updates and keep getting an error on my secondary backend saying the time zones are different, but they are not. Both are using NTP set to the same servers, time/date are the same on both.

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iamlindoro:

time/date != timezone

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Newbuntu81:

where do you set timezone?

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clgshaft:

there is no error in the log, the frontend just hangs on the main backend

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Newbuntu81:

Seems weird that after an update my timezone is changed LOL

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clgshaft:

other frontend works fine

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clgshaft:

it has to do with loading the dvd

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Newbuntu81:

Both of mine are set to America\New_York

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Newbuntu81:

So mine are both on the same timezone, and time/date is set to NTP to same server.

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mianos:

I would like to have the TV turn off at the end of a show. Does anyone know if it is possible without coding?

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wagnerrp:

mianos: yes, see the event system

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[R]:

your myth system can trun off your tv?

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mianos:

ok, I'll start to have a look at the event system. Teh python binding thing worked really well.

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mianos:

[R], actually it does, but maybe I was not 100% clear, I'd like myth to leave the TV mode, once it does that the whle thing will shutdown if it's idle.

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[R]:

"tv mode"?

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mianos:

The mode in which it is playing live TV. Could interpret that in any other way?

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[R]:

theres a livetv timeout...

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[R]:

but livetv sucks

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[R]:

you shodu'nt be using it

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mianos:

I agree, it's best avoided. On the other hand I have kids and 2 channels with no advertising content

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[R]:

and?

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Newbuntu81:

Reboot fixed the timezone issue. Weird.

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mianos:

With no adds, live TV is pretty good

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[R]:

not relaly

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[R]:

i dont not watch livetv because of commericals

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mianos:

Yes

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mianos:

On the other hand I have kids and 2 channels with no advertising content

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Newbuntu81:

Yea I figure if i want live TV, i'll just use the TV's tuner. Most things I watch are recorded.

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Twiggy2cents:

I like livetv for the fact that you can pause it if you need to do something

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[R]:

Twiggy2cents: you can do taht with recordinngs too...

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Twiggy2cents:

yes, I meant if you were in a situation where you were going to watch it live

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Newbuntu81:

Ah, right. I do use that with my Direct TV DVR at times...if the phone rings. But it's rare i watch anything live. Mostly recordings.

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ikrabbe:

I once had a mythfrontend setup that was able to resize the tv window. I somehow cannot get there again. Any hints are appreciated. Currently I use tvsize = guisize, and start mythfrontend -w --geometry WxH to reduce the size of my mythtv window.

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ikrabbe:

But I want a setup where the tv window automatically matched the window size

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ikrabbe:

^matches even

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Newbuntu81:

What's the command to get back from watching Live TV or a recording? ESC?

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Twiggy2cents:

back

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Twiggy2cents:

or esc

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ikrabbe:

btw: I can live with a fullscreen gui, but it would be really nice if the tv window would resize to the current window size

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wagnerrp:

well i wonder how that post to the theme/osd thread gets taken

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