Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 26th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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GlemSom:

hmm, I just found a post suggesting NOT to let MythTV get higher priority (which I had done according to other suggestions) – This seems to have helped on my problem... Can this really be true? -> //www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/2010-01/msg01843.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/mythtv . . . sg01843.html

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pulz:

wagnerrp: i know, im just looking to find basic info for the moment anyway

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GlemSom:

Currently running advanced X2 on my SD content, and not a single framed dropped in 5 minutes

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kormoc:

Sure. Realtime is extremely flaky and kernel dependent

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wagnerrp:

GlemSom: if you are running a realtime kernel or tinkering with thread priority, you are almost certainly doing something wrong

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kormoc:

which is why no distro ships with realtime enabled

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GlemSom:

wagnerrp, Well, I was! (read elsewhere that was a good idea...) :/

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wagnerrp:

this is why you dont trust people on the internet

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GlemSom:

heh :)

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wagnerrp:

theyre going to tell you to do something completely bats**t crazy, because they like to tinker for no good reason

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GlemSom:

Well, it seemed like a good idea... since I want MythTV to run as smooth as possible

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** kormoc distrusts wagnerrp and continues to screw up his kernel **

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GlemSom:

btw, what is the recommended schedular then? CFQ?

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kormoc:

GlemSom, real time is great... for a single task. You're doing many things at once with myth....

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wagnerrp:

theres good reason why windows warns you that youre probably doing a bad thing when you start tinkering with process priority in task manager

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kormoc:

GlemSom, That's just a IO scheduler. It's unlikely to help

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GlemSom:

kormoc, Ahh ok – guess that makes sense

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GlemSom:

Ok, I guess I should leave it playing for an hour or so – and check if it's still not dropping frames

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GlemSom:

You're from the Internet too... dunno if I should trust you guys then....

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wagnerrp:

you have to trust us, youre running our code

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GlemSom:

heh

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wagnerrp:

:)

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GlemSom:

I often check recordings on another computer, using mythweb and mplayer (just linearblend) – and there's a huge difference in quality even on SD content there – compared to advanced X2

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Twigger:

is advanced 1x better than temporal 2x?

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kormoc:

Twigger, is soft blue better then light blue?

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Twigger:

lol so they are close to the same?

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wagnerrp:

stop using pastels you pansy

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kormoc:

it's all up to your eyes. Some folks claim it's all the difference in the world, others like me can't even tell when they're on or off

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Twigger:

which one is the "better one" at least according to claims?

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kormoc:

all over the place

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Twigger:

I cant tell a difference in them

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kormoc:

the only thing that tends to hold true is folks claim that the 2x versions are better then the 1x versions

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Twigger:

I know I cant do advanced 2x on 1080i. That seems to be about the only one I cant do

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kormoc:

but between a 2x vs a 1x of a different one? it's kinda random which they like better

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wagnerrp:

one field FTW!

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Twigger:

isnt one field one of the worst?

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kormoc:

Depends on your eyes!

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kormoc:

I want to meet the guy who can tell when half the image is gone!

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wagnerrp:

but theres no combing at all

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Twigger:

so then none is as good as advance 2x if you are mr. magoo

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kormoc:

I personally just dump the feed to the tv and let the video card and tv figure it out

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wagnerrp:

if mr. magoo said he uses advanced 2x, then yes

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kormoc:

they were designed to handle interlaced content after all

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Twigger:

does that require sending a interlaced signal to the tv?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Twigger:

which is more preferred?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the user

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Twigger:

why the user?

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Twigger:

Because of the difference they may see?

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wagnerrp:

because theyre the one who will make the judgment about the quality

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: do any other media players or HTPC softwares that actually have theming allow independent UI and OSD?

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wagnerrp:

i always thought mythtv was the exception, rather than the norm, in that regard

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iamlindoro:

it's was exception of modern/major ones

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iamlindoro:

none of the other major contenders allow UI/OSD independence

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wagnerrp:

fg 1

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pulz:

im getting "could not get card info" in technotrend 1501 card, a card that works fine on tvheadend

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pulz:

any suggestions on where to look

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wagnerrp:

do you have tvheadend running?

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pulz:

nope

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pulz:

its killed

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wagnerrp:

try mythtv-setup again

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pulz:

as user or as root ?

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wagnerrp:

anyone with rights to the file

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wagnerrp:

usually that means someone in the 'video' user group

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wagnerrp:

thats read/write rights

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pulz:

wagnerrp: you where correct :)

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Beirdo:

OK, time to finish CSI, then test another piece of stuff I changed

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wagnerrp:

you could say that issue got...

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** wagnerrp puts on sunglasses **

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wagnerrp:

squashed like the bug it was

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wrong CSI, but sure :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, well the other CSI guy likes bugs too

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Beirdo:

how true

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Beirdo:

buncha freaks

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wagnerrp:

no, the freaks were in episode 4x05

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pulz:

wagnerrp: should i be able to scan from for channels setup ?

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

pulz: once you attach a video source to the tuner input, you should be able to scan for channels

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Beirdo:

got 9 patches stacked up waiting for soakin (pthreads->QThread)

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pulz:

wagnerrp: the reason im asking is that the scan button is greyed out

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wagnerrp:

i decided to take a rather more non-destructive approach to updating the protocol

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Beirdo:

oh?

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Beirdo:

you don't wanna just trash & fix?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just move the code i need for now, and get the jobqueue changes in first

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Beirdo:

ah, that sounds sensible

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wagnerrp:

the modular stuff really isnt needed for it

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wagnerrp:

and no one has near term plans for backend plugins

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Beirdo:

or not that they've mentioned :)

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wagnerrp:

well stuart m_ has mentioned its something he wants to do

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wagnerrp:

and its something sph ery would have to do to integrate the database

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wagnerrp:

but as for timelines of either of those...

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I hear ya

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wagnerrp:

pulz: the only reason i can think that the scan button would be greyed out is if there is no source attached to the tuner input

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wagnerrp:

and i really want to get to work on the jobqueue stuff

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I should go fix the threads in there before you delete them

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wagnerrp:

after all, thats the more pressing issue that will actually affect me

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im going to delete the whole jobqueue thread and make it event driven based off the backend protocol

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

I'll fix em in the meantime, if they are still tehre to be fixed

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wagnerrp:

although ill have to make a new scheduler thread running on the backend

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Beirdo:

I'm quite aware that some of the threads I'm reworking are gonna get tossed

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Beirdo:

no biggie

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Beirdo:

OK, patch testin time

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wagnerrp:

hehe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZRcxvGIWE

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Beirdo:

Patch seems to work

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Beirdo:

pushed

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Beirdo:

pretty sure this next one's tested enough too

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Beirdo:

HDHR Read Thread

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Beirdo:

I've been successfully recording with it since Tuesday

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pulz:

if i set mythtv to do a full scan, it only offers uk and germany, is there any other way to do a full scan ?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i wonder what this 'Syphr42' on the wiki is working on

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wagnerrp:

he would only be adding definitions for backend events if he were tinkering around in the protocol

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Beirdo:

you'd think

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pulz:

im trying to get mythtv to scan for me, but it quits pretty fast, w_Scan list this as an example TV|NRK3 HD|3045(2)|0,3042(ac3),|3044|189|118|Cable|330000|6900|v|-1|-1|256|-1|-1|-1|-1|- 1|153|||42499| --> 330000 frequenzy 6900K baud, QAM256

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pulz:

but scanning thiis doesnt do anything

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Twiggy2cents:

so a bad usb mouse caused my spare computer to beep like it had no memory or major issues... Freaking crazy

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Twiggy2cents:

and not show post

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xtort-:

Nice

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blizzard_:

Question, fenom says I have lock

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blizzard_:

myth says I dont

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blizzard_:

(TLMSc)

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blizzard_:

how can that be? and what can I do to get my channels back?

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blizzard_:

(signal at 85%, no ber or such)

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blizzard_:

status SCVYL | signal 84% | snr 82% | ber 0 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK

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SagaciousKJB:

Hey everyone, I ran across a really weird glitch with mythtv... For some reason it plays everything with a split view. I had to take a vid of it with my camera because it's hard to describe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkAGMWGL2tg ( only 13 seconds, more info in description)

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markk_:

SagaciousKJB: I bet you're using an ATI card? in which case you've re-discoverd a weird glitch in the video driver :) Try changing the deinterlacer – and set it to something other than bob

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SagaciousKJB:

markk_ Nice

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SagaciousKJB:

I just found a ticket that said it was an ATI glitch

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SagaciousKJB:

Someone trying to use bob, was going to ask if I could just switch to a different deinterlacer.

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SagaciousKJB:

Sweet, switched it to linear blend and it works great :D

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markk_:

cool

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SagaciousKJB:

Yeah, guess my google fu was strong tonight or something. Been trying to figure it out for a week

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SagaciousKJB:

Thanks anyway :P

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dingus:

hey i got three quick questions about my mythtv setup, ONE for some reasion, every few movies the movie basicly shifts into fast foward mode, and can only be played normally if i exit the movie and start it again (or bookmark it)

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dingus:

two for somreasion volume control dosent work on alsa:default:card=cmi770

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dingus:

three, which is better suited to storeing my video file, mp4 of mkv?

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justinh:

mp4 of mkv? like make an mp4 of an mkv? :P

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justinh:

mkv is just a container

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justinh:

it's not a format

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dingus:

im awaire that mkv is just a container, as is mp4, what would be better for use with mythtv

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justinh:

it doesn't matter

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dingus:

so there is upside or down side to eather?

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justinh:

mkv supports things basic mpeg files don't, like chapters & stuff – but if you're not going to use those there's no point choosing mkv

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dingus:

fair enough, do you have any insight to my other two issues?

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wagnerrp:

so why a year and a half after routing XvBA over VAAPI has AMD decided to release XvBA directly?

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jannau:

wagnerrp: maybe they decided it 2 1/2 years ago and needed the time to actually release it

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wagnerrp:

jannau: well it first went into their drivers 2 1/2 years ago, they just never told anyone how to use it

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jannau:

well, I assume they told splitted desktop how to use it for the va-api backend

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jannau:

and I agree, it doesn't make any sense to release it now.

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize the VAAPI backend wasnt first-party

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Chat4940:

hello

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jannau:

I'm just speculating that amd contracted splitted desktop to do it

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jannau:

and goodbye

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jarle:

Anybody here using Norwegian Canal Digital on dvb-s?

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jarle:

I seem to have problems getting mythtv to show TV Norge on the new frequency, i get LMSC, but then mythtv complains about empty buffer?

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stuartm:

which script replaced the old rebuilddb one?

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BLZbubba_:

in the recent few version(s) of mythtv, the "w" key only has 2 modes – regular and zoom. is there a way to have it stretch out an anamorphic encoded 4x3 video?

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markk_:

BLZbubba: ctrl-w

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: there really is no script to replace the rebuilddatabase.pl

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wagnerrp:

if you want, i could build something into find_orphans that will request information from the user for a ttvdb/tmdb lookup

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: yeah, that's not what I'm after, the functionality of the old script (importing recordings into a database after a restore or from another machine)

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stuartm:

not importing videos into watch recordings

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wagnerrp:

erm... whats the difference?

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stuartm:

well it doesn't require tvdb/tmdb

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stuartm:

the old script still works, I grabbed it from the 0.23 branch and it's now in the wiki

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wagnerrp:

the script you put on the wiki just seems to ask the user for all that information

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wagnerrp:

rather than pulling it from some online database

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wagnerrp:

whether you get it from the user, or get it from some remote source... i dont really see the difference

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stuartm:

not everything you'll want to import will be listed on a remote source, e.g. news programmes, documentaries or magazine/talk shows

[18:06:53]

stuartm:

my point was simply that for my purposes the remote lookup wouldn't be required

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stuartm:

what would be cool is if the description/title/subtitle were pulled from the program table automatically

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wagnerrp:

that would work, but only if the show were a couple days old and the program table still populated

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wagnerrp:

better would be to pull from oldprogram or oldrecorded

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stuartm:

program table stays populated for at least 10 days

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wagnerrp:

which provide limited subsets of the data provided there

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wagnerrp:

oldprogram up to 300 days, oldrecorded stays forever

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stuartm:

but yeah, either/both

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wagnerrp:

but the question remains if you have that information, why dont you have the recorded entry for the recording itself?

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wagnerrp:

i just dont see much purpose of trying to glean information out of those tables because of that

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i would much rather get capt'm's idea of some external metadata file going

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stuartm:

a 5 day old backup will contain the programme info but not the recorded entry for a day old recording

[18:12:01]

wagnerrp:

something that would contain all of that information, and allow direct import

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wagnerrp:

ah, i see what youre getting at

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wagnerrp:

that would make sense then

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stuartm:

anyway, point is moot – I've put the script into the wiki now, so it's there if/when somebody needs it

[18:14:02]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i could put that stuff in find_orphans.py without much difficulty

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for purging the cache on the backup/restore page :)

[18:15:05]

wagnerrp:

"why do these links not work?" ... "uh, they do work"

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wagnerrp:

we really need to find a better solution to that

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sphery:

did you ever actually make the script to purge all?

[18:15:33]

sphery:

or did we find one on the 'net?

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wagnerrp:

no, i did not

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sphery:

maybe we should set up a cron job to do that once/(day|week|month)...

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wagnerrp:

im thinking it would be better to put together something using the pywikimedia stuff that actually runs off the recent changes

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wagnerrp:

and recurses down through categories and templates

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wagnerrp:

would be best to ask in #mediawiki, im sure were not the only people having this problem

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sphery:

that would be nice

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sphery:

heh, yeah--seems everyone should be having it

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sphery:

wonder what wikipedia does

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wagnerrp:

run a 3yr newer version?

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

ours is that old?

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sphery:

sounds like a job for Beirdo :)

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sphery:

Seems there's: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PurgeCache , which allows purging entire cache on request from a user in developer group

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wagnerrp:

were running 1.15.2, which seems... just under a year old

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sphery:

and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:PurgeList.php , but it requires a list of page names

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sphery:

and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Purge adds a Purge tab to the top of all pages

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sphery:

(and maybe we can change the Edit tab to say "Binge")

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justinh:

eugh, never been so tempted to reply to a -users ML thread.. but maybe it's best I CBA to check my subscription for fear of what I'll rant

[18:21:44]

wagnerrp:

justinh: theme stuff?

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sphery:

http://paulgu.com/wiki/How_do_I_purge_cached_pages has a command-line script

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sphery:

justinh: the "only one theme for OSD and GUI" thread?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: the "how dare you change your theming interface to be sensible like every other application" thread?

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sphery:

heh, I'm just about to start reading that oen

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sphery:

I figure any thread that gets a "needs to die" comment in #mythtv is worth reading :)

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justinh:

wagnerrp, sphery yeah that one

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justinh:

if I can keep it buttoned a bit I might chime in with a 'this kind of comment is why I stopped even bothering, yada yada'

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wagnerrp:

wow... build issue from a gentoo user still running a 2.6.25 kernel from sept 2008

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sphery:

yeah, hard part in those threads is keeping a cool head

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why people get so pissed off when you tell them 'if you dont like it, fix it'

[18:27:31]

justinh:

bah, let em rot. if any more chip in with the negativity then kill the thread

[18:27:48]

justinh:

wagnerrp: the whole culture of entitlement that ubuntu & its ilk have spawned, IMHO

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wagnerrp:

we like it this way, we wrote it, we are giving it to you for free as is

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justinh:

I have to admit the change gave me pause for thought initially

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justinh:

but where the hell are folks coming from with the 'totally unusable' schtick?

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** justinh resists coming in from the wife with bad eyesight angle ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

its our opinion against yours, and you are not paying us in money, parts, hosting, code, themes, or anything of any worth for your opinion to matter

[18:29:55]

wagnerrp:

its the open source way

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sphery:

iamlindoro: "DVBLink is a for-purchase third party product that nearly nobody will have. There's no compelling reason to support the latter over the former." ... Ummmm... Didn't you read the part of his post that said it would allow us to support people who use DreamBox to steal TV?

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wagnerrp:

clearly he doesnt understand open source

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i dont know why you couldnt add a module into the dreambox to stream content over multicast/rtsp

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wagnerrp:

if you really wanted to use it with mythtv, we provide the interface to do so

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sphery:

yeah, I think that's the best approach

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sphery:

I really don't want any DBox code in MythTV

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** justinh thought the dreambox could already do that streaming stuff **

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sphery:

since it's probably used for service-theft more than it's used for valid service access

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wagnerrp:

justinh: dont know, but there is a page on the wiki somewhere about how to route content from the dreambox into mythtv, using VLC as an iptv server

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justinh:

sphery: nothing you can prove either way – but still that doesn't give grounds for including it ;-)

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wagnerrp:

it all comes down to the fact that no devs have one to test with in order to maintain the support

[18:33:23]

wagnerrp:

we cant realistically support it

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justinh:

that's the best argument in the world :)

[18:34:42]

wagnerrp:

if someone wants to provide us a license for DVBLink, or DVBLink wants to contract us to provide support... then we can talk

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sphery:

Wow, "I have used myth a long time and have never encountered a theme with a decent UI and OSD." Amazing just how much the users pull the punches so they don't hurt anyone.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

let me sleep on it

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Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, and the same idiot doesn't wanna make his own

[18:38:04]

sphery:

oh, no, can't make my own

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justinh:

night look up how to get his email address blacklisted or something

[18:38:22]

justinh:

s/night/might/

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sphery:

much more fun to complain publicly, deride the efforts of others, and, generally, be mean aboutit

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wagnerrp:

sphery: but hes a developer and can give suggestions!

[18:38:31]

wagnerrp:

hes an idea man!

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Beirdo:

if you don't like other people's artistic ideas, and think they all suck... how about you use your OWN artistic ideas to make one you like

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sphery:

oooh... wonder if he has ideas about how to make an animated UI /with flames/?

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justinh:

when your suggestion is "shove it".. er.. I think you'll be needing an acid enema

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wagnerrp:

sphery: screw flames, cool kids use lens flare

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: nothing wrong with being an ideas man... but getting a clue is a requirement for playing well with others

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sphery:

ah, well we lost our flames idea man years ago, so seems the styles have changed in the interim

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sphery:

this is why we shouldn't run off the Flash developers with bad attitudes

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: nothing wrong with being an ideas man in a business position

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sphery:

I will admit that I had a bit of an argument with this guy in the past--back when I was a nobody

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wagnerrp:

but theres little worth to the ideas man in open source

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Beirdo:

well, having some people around with some vision and ideas is a good thing in a large project. But if they can't work well with anybody who can make them reality... not much point

[18:40:53]

wagnerrp:

the open source community is absolutely a meritocracy

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Beirdo:

absolutely

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wagnerrp:

you have to prove your worth before you can shovel your ideas onto others

[18:41:20]

wagnerrp:

in which case, youre not just an ideas man, youre a producer of some sort

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sphery:

and even then, you have to watch out for mutiny... ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe, true, I guess

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sphery:

"We don't Nieder-stinkin'-mayer"

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sphery:

oops, did I type that out loud

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wagnerrp:

toga toga toga toga toga!

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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sphery:

heh, was thinking of a different one

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sphery:

one who knows about FOSS mutiny

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Beirdo:

all too well.

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wagnerrp:

a recent one?

[18:44:20]

Beirdo:

aye

[18:44:32]

Beirdo:

What to do today.....

[18:44:57]

Beirdo:

got 6 more patches sitting in my stack waiting to be tested enough to be pushed

[18:45:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: his name is Michael... it's the politics in a related project that we depend on

[18:45:27]

wagnerrp:

is this michael jones the one who got on me for telling someone not to use an email service that put ads in?

[18:45:34]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, figured that was it

[18:46:03]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: oh, likely

[18:46:05]

wagnerrp:

i berated some hotmail user for putting ads in his signature, he shot back... with ads in his signature

[18:46:31]

sphery:

no, Michael Niedermayer of ffmpeg

[18:46:44]

sphery:

was basically the project lead, now... who knows?

[18:46:46]

wagnerrp:

no, im talking about our themes thread

[18:46:51]

sphery:

ohhh

[18:46:51]

wagnerrp:

michael jones

[18:46:53]

Beirdo:

and I got 7 more pthread->QThread patches to generate

[18:46:58]

sphery:

I see

[18:47:05]

sphery:

don't know if that's the same guy

[18:47:07]

Beirdo:

I guess I have my day set out for me

[18:48:02]

sphery:

"I'm not going to upgrade to a release where I lose functionality."

[18:48:20]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:48:21]

sphery:

seems he doesn't realize that "lose functionality" is all relative

[18:48:40]

sphery:

if you make independent themes, I lose the functionality of having the same theme elements in UI and OSD

[18:48:47]

sphery:

(and so do all themers)

[18:49:34]

sphery:

and lose the functionality of having a smaller, more resource-efficient theme

[18:49:46]

sphery:

(since it's the same theme, and can share elements, in UI and OSD)

[18:49:51]

wagnerrp:

no, it was someone else... dont remember who and have no idea how to find the thread in questino

[18:50:02]

sphery:

should have brought out that argument--to get the Atom-lovers to support us :)

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wagnerrp:

the atom lovers have plenty of memory

[18:51:37]

wagnerrp:

remember, they have shared memory, so they need at least 2GB to get the graphics card up to snuff

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, he gave a hearty "______-you"... based on the fact that there are 6 underscores, I take that to mean that it's a 6-character word. So, I'm thinking it's "forget"

[18:52:11]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:52:16]

sphery:

just wonder if it's a Ce Lo Green radio-edit "forget"...

[18:52:29]

wagnerrp:

sphery: clearly a voice-over

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm gonna go eat so I can hack on stuff today :)

[18:53:32]

wagnerrp:

doing perl then?

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sphery:

"Unfortunately, however, I feel that putting the appearance of the system so fully in the control of the "theme designer" is more of a mistake than allowing the user to create their own, useful, "inconsistent interface" that fits their needs and preferences..." ... Ummmm. Isn't that exactly what you told him to do--create his own theme?

[18:55:05]

wagnerrp:

sphery: but he wants to do it mixing and matching through a GUI, rather than using a text editor

[18:55:10]

wagnerrp:

i dont think hes a real programmer

[18:55:13]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and don't think he understands the critical issue of font face/size + text element size

[18:55:53]

Beirdo:

hehe, perl... not today

[18:55:59]

sphery:

i.e. he'd have to re-layout the entire theme after changing font face or size

[18:56:23]

Beirdo:

and having a GUI-based theme designer would be lovely, but I'm not volunteering to write it :)

[18:56:38]

sphery:

agreed

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justinh:

I better not send that

[18:56:57]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: sadly, i think thats the only real way were ever going to get any significant volume of themes

[18:57:06]

sphery:

yeah

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justinh:

what's wrong with less is more?

[18:57:20]

sphery:

but we're not likely to get the significant volume of code required for a GUI theme editor

[18:57:22]

Beirdo:

just mark his name down in the list of users that get coal on their next bug report... and let him be a d-bag

[18:57:40]

justinh:

IMHO a theme editor would be almost as big to write as a whole new frontend

[18:57:47]

Beirdo:

agreed

[18:57:59]

justinh:

ok, minus the player code.. but still

[18:58:01]

Beirdo:

it would be a lovely pipe dream

[18:58:14]

** Beirdo puts down the pipe and goes to go eat **

[18:58:18]

Beirdo:

be back in a bit

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wagnerrp:

whoops, i cant seem to remember my trac login

[18:59:33]

justinh:

http://pastebin.com/RJqE3uJZ

[19:00:41]

sphery:

Oh, btw, I'm a happy netizen, today. Internet was down another 5hrs today, so I called the ISP and got kicked up to a tech. He saw the cable modem was down and unable to pull an address. Then, after a few minutes of talking he noticed the modem came back up, so he was able to run a signal test. Said it all looked good, so he's suspecting the modem (which is exactly what I thought was the problem), and had me go swap it out.

[19:01:03]

justinh:

woohoo!

[19:01:14]

sphery:

I hope this ends my 5–13hr drop outs... Been wondering what all happens in here when I'm gone.

[19:01:25]

justinh:

sanity breaks out ;-)

[19:01:28]

sphery:

heh

[19:01:41]

sphery:

I figure you guys all discuss very important things that I'll need to know later

[19:01:54]

sphery:

and will cause someone to have to repeat it for em

[19:01:56]

justinh:

that's why there are logs

[19:02:09]

wagnerrp:

why do we still have tickets against 0.21?

[19:02:13]

sphery:

yeah, actually I used them heavily after the downtime

[19:02:24]

sphery:

(the logs, not the 0.21 tickets)

[19:02:43]

wagnerrp:

oh, im looking somewhere else

[19:02:47]

wagnerrp:

thats the version, not the milestone

[19:04:55]

wagnerrp:

ah... seems im using one of my older passwords for trac login

[19:07:15]

wagnerrp:

so speaking of trac, theres a ticket that never went through because the user couldnt figure out how to read that box that was telling him his entry was refused due to lack of email address

[19:07:48]

wagnerrp:

should i forward it on, or leave it abandoned, assuming someone who couldnt figure out how to provide an email address probably just has something misconfigured?

[19:09:10]

sphery:

what was the specific issue?

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wagnerrp:

something about the audio scanner not working properly

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sphery:

hmmmm

[19:09:35]

wagnerrp:

so he had to set something up manually in .asoundrc

[19:09:38]

sphery:

your call

[19:10:13]

sphery:

I haven't heard of any real issues with that--but I also don't know much about it, so who knows

[19:10:37]

wagnerrp:

well jya, its in the spam monitoring, today at 11:53, if you want to look at it

[19:11:11]

wagnerrp:

looking through that crap, its both impressive and depressing at the same time

[19:11:17]

sphery:

heh

[19:11:20]

wagnerrp:

its impressive how well the spam filtering is working

[19:11:39]

sphery:

I will say that was the one huge advantage of all the Internet downtime for me... significantly reduced the volume of spam

[19:11:41]

wagnerrp:

its depressing to realize that were doing better than 10:1 spam versus real comments

[19:11:48]

sphery:

wow

[19:12:08]

wagnerrp:

and they dont even seem to realize that none is getting through

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wagnerrp:

so they just keep trying the same things, over and over again

[19:13:40]

wagnerrp:

its not even meaningful spam, no sentient being would click on it

[19:13:50]

wagnerrp:

and there are no common domains used such that it could be for SEO

[19:13:55]

wagnerrp:

i just dont understand the purpose at all

[19:16:35]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[19:17:29]

sphery:

woah, new Readability

[19:17:45]

sphery:

ooh, and it's now interactive styling

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wagnerrp:

hahaha.... user on the mailing list wondering why they cant control the volume for passthrough HDMI audio

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sunkan:

I seem to remember that MythTV was reporting status regarding RT priority. With 0.24 I don't see this and it seems that it doesn't set RT prio either. Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

there should be no reason to mess with realtime kernels for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and really no reason to mess with thread or process priority either

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sphery:

sunkan: and all the realtime code (and messages) have been removed from the unstable/development version of MythTV--we don't have any need for it, now

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sunkan:

Ok.. So if a frontend is doing lots of other stuff how is that being prioritized down then?

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wagnerrp:

you let the scheduler decide how to handle things as needed

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wagnerrp:

and you 'nice' unimportant tasks

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sunkan:

Since I run the frontend on my desktop a lot and may have compiles and other stuff going in the background I have always made sure the RT prio to be working.. But I can't say I have had any issues yet, so I guess I can stop configuring for that now then..

[19:57:02]

kormoc:

sunkan, have you noticed a performance issue?

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sunkan:

No, not really.. And I do actually use nice when compiling stuff most of the time too..

[19:58:41]

sunkan:

Thanks for clarifying that it's deprecated.. I'll stop using it now (can't see that it's in use anyway since 0.24)

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saibot:

Hello all. Having some trouble with my new Myth install, wondering if anyone caln help. I installed Fedora 14 and then the mythtv packages from ATrpms. Most everything is working except for my remote control. I'm using a serial IR receiever and a Hauppauge remote transmitter. if I cat /dev/lirc0 and push buttons on my remote, I see data. However irw displays nothing, and the frontend does not respond. Can someone point me

[19:59:06]

saibot:

in the right direction?

[20:00:32]

wagnerrp:

saibot: is lircd running?

[20:00:55]

saibot:

yep, sure is. Sorry I didn't mention that

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wagnerrp:

then your lircd.conf is not configured for the IR codes being output by your lirc device

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wagnerrp:

lircd.conf maps IR codes to button names, which are what gets displayed by irw

[20:01:50]

wagnerrp:

those button names are then mapped to program events using the ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[20:02:05]

wagnerrp:

lircd reads from lirc0, mythtv reads from lircd

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saibot:

hmm... I did have an old working MythDora install that I took my lircd.conf from, something must have changed then.

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saibot:

Ok, I downloaded some new remote profiles and that seems to be making irw happy. I'm seeing the keys I hit in irw, but front end still not responding.

[20:12:35]

wagnerrp:

if you see them in irw, but mythfrontend isnt doing anything

[20:12:50]

wagnerrp:

then you need to revise your ~/.mythtv/lircrc and restart mythfrontend

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saibot:

hmm, ~/.mythtv/lircrc isn't present. How is that file generated/configured?

[20:15:02]

wagnerrp:

you generate it, mythfrontend reads it

[20:15:24]

wagnerrp:

there are some sample files available on the wiki

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saibot:

ok, thank you.

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wagnerrp:

saibot: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:LIRC_Configuration_Files

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saibot:

awesome! thank you

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saibot:

hmm, getting there. Some keys working, others kinda working, others not all together. Looks like I've got some tweaking to do. But I'm much further along than i was earlier. Thank you much wagnerrp!

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wagnerrp:

np

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stevieman:

When I try to transcode a video it fails with errors, I'm trying to find the exact error but my mythtvbackend.log is HUGE. Anything in particular I should be looking for?

[20:25:28]

wagnerrp:

truncate the backend log, HUP the backend, transcode something else, and pastebin the logs

[20:25:45]

wagnerrp:

or, you can run mythtranscode manually by specifying the jobid you want to use

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: we feel your pain

[20:28:17]

justinh:

whee. I sent something. It didn't have any fire in it

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justinh:

rewritten about a dozen times.. but still...

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justinh:

hehehehehehe. EHEHEHHEHEHEH. FIRE. FIRE FIRE FIRE!

[20:30:18]

wagnerrp:

settle down bevis

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: I've never truncated anything before.

[20:30:58]

wagnerrp:

stevieman: echo "" > /your/log/file

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wagnerrp:

note, you WILL have to HUP the backend, or else it will stop logging to the file

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: could I just rename the current log, touch a new .log and then manually run a transcode?

[20:32:44]

wagnerrp:

sure, but you have to make sure the file permissions on the new log are the same as the old

[20:32:47]

justinh:

oo just saw on The Twitter that LinHES is at Scale. I miss linux expos. The geeks, the smell.. the beers & late nights

[20:32:53]

wagnerrp:

and you still have to HUP the backend to get it to re-open the file

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: Can you help me do all this? My linux skills are lacking

[20:34:51]

wagnerrp:

kill -HUP <process id of your backend>

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: done

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wagnerrp:

now go into the frontend, and tell it to run the transcode a second time

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: cool, ok, I have a transcode job running. Doesn't seem to be doing anything according to the mythweb interface

[20:42:03]

wagnerrp:

it usually takes around half a minute before the job scheduler gets to it

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stevieman:

hmm my frontend jus crashed but the transcode is still going

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wagnerrp:

the transcoder, jobqueue, and backend, are all completely independent of the frontend

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: well that is a good thing

[20:49:10]

wagnerrp:

however a frontend crash is nevertheless troubleing

[20:50:01]

stevieman:

wagnerrp: yah, just going throught the frontend log to find out why it crashed

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stevieman:

so here is the pastebin from my frontend crash http://pastebin.com/C0XyzQnp

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wagnerrp:

holy crap

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wagnerrp:

my backend locks up trying to compile thunderbird

[21:03:07]

wagnerrp:

seems im 2GB into swap, with a single cc1plus instance pulling over 1.6GB of memory on its own

[21:03:36]

wagnerrp:

stevieman: i dont see anything in that log that would indicated a crash

[21:03:46]

wagnerrp:

it looked like playback failed, so you closed mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

no, thats the backend logs, not frontend

[21:04:38]

wagnerrp:

anyway, still dont see any indication of anything fatal

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: hmm strange cause I opened mythfrontend.log

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darnell:

hello, are there any ati tv tuner cards that work with mythtv? I have ati theatre 200, 500 550 650 lol

[21:11:18]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv does not support tuner cards directly, mythtv supports the DVB capture interface

[21:12:12]

wagnerrp:

and along with that, any cards that expose themselves through the DVB capture interface

[21:12:15]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

[21:13:14]

justinh:

so somebody loves ATI then. heheh.

[21:13:49]

darnell:

lol ati is great but honestly i picked up most of those cards buying stuff off craigslist that had them

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darnell:

pure coincidence they are all ati

[21:14:04]

wagnerrp:

no, ATI is great on windows

[21:14:10]

wagnerrp:

on linux, theyre pretty crummy

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darnell:

ok, well i have an hauppauge 950. i should set it up on windows and see what channels ill get and then try to use it on my linux partition

[21:16:14]

wagnerrp:

950 or 950q?

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darnell:

mythtv is funny though, sometimes i set it up and the backend works.. sometimes i install and it says no upnd

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darnell:

so frustrating and i've checked every mysql.txt there are to try to fix the problem

[21:16:57]

darnell:

its the 950q

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darnell:

usb

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wagnerrp:

the 950q works fine for digital, i wouldnt bother using it for analog

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darnell:

i have digital and alot of hd channels

[21:17:46]

darnell:

but i understand i cant use my cable box?

[21:18:08]

wagnerrp:

your cable box does not output a signal that a digital tuner could receive

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darnell:

just directly from the wall to the 950q.. can i get my 600 channels

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darnell:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

really....

[21:18:23]

wagnerrp:

with comcast?

[21:18:27]

darnell:

yes

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wagnerrp:

thats... rare...

[21:18:39]

darnell:

i have a dcx3400-m

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darnell:

its a comcast box dvr

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wagnerrp:

nearly all of those channels should be encrypted and unusable without a cablecard or cable box

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darnell:

so im stuck, i need to purchase a new tuner card..

[21:19:40]

wagnerrp:

oh, you were asking

[21:20:03]

wagnerrp:

check silicondust.com, they will show you what channels you can get unencrypted from your cable provider

[21:20:13]

darnell:

ok

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darnell:

im just asking here.. how is it that I have my cable box hooked up to my computer using an ati 650 or 550 and getting all channels but I cant do the same thing and use my 950q on ubuntu

[21:21:28]

darnell:

is it because the 950q is a "cable box" itself?

[21:21:35]

darnell:

sort to speak

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wagnerrp:

the ATI 550 and 650 should not be used for analog either

[21:21:49]

wagnerrp:

they should not be connected to your cable box

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darnell:

to be honest.. im not sure what i have going on except i know that...

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wagnerrp:

all of those ATI cards, as well as your 950q, are framegrabbers

[21:22:29]

darnell:

i have my cable coming from my wall into my comcast box and from the comcast box i have a coax going to my tuner card and i have all my channels

[21:22:32]

justinh:

I think you mean that you've got the cable box baseband videooutput going into the tuner card video input

[21:22:39]

wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are fine for direct playback, but are terrible for recording

[21:22:44]

darnell:

yes

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darnell:

justinh

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wagnerrp:

mythtv records, so you want a tuner card designed for recording

[21:22:49]

justinh:

eew.. RF from the cable STB.. bleugh

[21:22:54]

wagnerrp:

you want an MPEG encoder

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wagnerrp:

PVR-150/-500, or HVR-1600/-2250

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darnell:

yes justinh, but it works

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AndyCap:

justinh: because encrypted nothing is so much better quality. :)

[21:23:21]

justinh:

darnell: so the tuner card isn't actually *tuning* ANY channels at all

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wagnerrp:

or if you want HD, you want an hauppauge HDPVR

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justinh:

it's tuned into the output of the cable box. nothing else

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AndyCap:

at least it doesn't take up much space recording nothing

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wagnerrp:

darnell: what hes getting at is that the RF modulators on cable boxes are of poor quality

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justinh:

AndyCap: could save valuable time

[21:24:30]

wagnerrp:

so that extra mod-demod step is going to result in video of significantly lesser quality than just using the svideo or component output directly

[21:24:56]

darnell:

poor quality ok, but thats something im willing to except for now if i could get the same channels just using ubuntu with the same setup

[21:25:14]

darnell:

i suspect there are just no drivers for ubuntu to see the ati cards i have?

[21:25:19]

wagnerrp:

darnell: no, he is saying connect the STB to the svideo inputs on that card, rather than the RF inputs on that card

[21:25:22]

justinh:

darnell: analogue inputs won't work on ATI tuner devices in linux.. I can almost guarantee that

[21:25:35]

wagnerrp:

but im saying you dont want to use analog anything on any of those cards

[21:25:39]

wagnerrp:

you want to use an mpeg encoder

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wagnerrp:

such as one of the four cards i listed above

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darnell:

ok wagnerrp, ill get one of those cards but for now we are saying that i should use svideo ?

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wagnerrp:

should you wish to continue using some other PVR software, i would be giving the same exact advice

[21:27:12]

darnell:

and get "some" channels

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darnell:

ok

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wagnerrp:

if you intend to record, you should be using a card with a hardware video encoder

[21:27:38]

darnell:

i dont record honestly

[21:27:38]

justinh:

and an IR blaster ;-)

[21:27:41]

wagnerrp:

and if you intend to record off a STB, you should be using svideo or component

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darnell:

i just want to view my wifes favorite channels

[21:27:50]

wagnerrp:

darnell: if you are using PVR software, you are recording

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darnell:

theres only like two.

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wagnerrp:

there is no straight playback

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darnell:

ok, im just using wmc

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darnell:

ok

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wagnerrp:

WMC records, it does not pass through video

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justinh:

so if you just want to *watch* TV on a computer look away from MythTV now :)

[21:28:24]

darnell:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

if you just want to WATCH tv, you want something like TVTime

[21:28:53]

wagnerrp:

all it does is grab frames straight from the capture card, and dump them straight into the video card

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wagnerrp:

no processing needed

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darnell:

tvtime lame :( i like myth because its more like wmc in video and music interface

[21:29:09]

darnell:

ok..

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wagnerrp:

if you are using something that does anything other than direct playback, you will be recording video

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darnell:

which of the cards u listed above do u think the best?

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wagnerrp:

and should you be recording video, you want a card that does hardware encoding

[21:29:39]

wagnerrp:

darnell: they are for different purposes

[21:29:48]

wagnerrp:

the 150 and 500 are single and dual capture, no longer in production

[21:30:06]

wagnerrp:

the 1600 and 2250 are single and dual capture, with digital tuners, and are in production

[21:30:25]

wagnerrp:

if you just want analog capture, pick up one of the older cards off ebay

[21:30:32]

wagnerrp:

if you want to use an antenna, pick up one of the newer cards

[21:30:54]

darnell:

and will these work "out of the box" or more firmware is needed?

[21:31:12]

wagnerrp:

the 150, 500, and 1600 should work out of the box with most linux distros

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 should work out of the box with any linux distro running a sufficiently new kernel

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wagnerrp:

meaning something like 2.6.37 or 2.6.38

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darnell:

ok

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darnell:

gotcha

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darnell:

ill get one of those.. now, whats the deal with this no upnd when i install myth sometimes

[21:32:27]

wagnerrp:

upnp

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wagnerrp:

mythtv uses upnp for auto-detection of the master backend

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darnell:

i almost went to sagetv since its available for linux but i need to pay upfront. no trial

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wagnerrp:

mythtv also runs a upnp server on the master backend to stream to any upnp capable playback devices

[21:33:08]

wagnerrp:

either way, lack of upnp is a non-fatal error

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darnell:

but i looked at the mysql.tx and used the same user/pass etc and still it says cannot login

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darnell:

so u are saying i need to install upnd?

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wagnerrp:

no, 'upnd' is nothing

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wagnerrp:

upnp

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wagnerrp:

and you still dont install anything, it is a service running in the master backend

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darnell:

well shouldnt that start when it sudo apt-get install mythtv?

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darnell:

or even reboot

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt what start?

[21:34:46]

darnell:

the upnp service

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darnell:

because it says no upnp

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wagnerrp:

by 'service', i mean its a thread in the 'mythbackend' process

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justinh:

there's more to installing mythtv than just apt-get

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stevieman:

while I wait for the transcode to finish, anyone know how I can adjust the volume? I have to almost have my TV volume all the way just to hear the audio. I've got myth's volume all the way up and I am not using the line out jack.

[21:35:35]

wagnerrp:

its saying it cannot find a upnp server, because your master backend is not running to respond to its query

[21:35:54]

wagnerrp:

its only searching for the master backend because it cannot connect to the database to know that IT IS the master backend

[21:36:33]

wagnerrp:

darnell: what have you done to try to get mythtv running?

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darnell:

so is there a clean explanation how to make it see that it is the backend? i've looked everywhere

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wagnerrp:

exact steps

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wagnerrp:

you ran 'apt-get install'... and then what?

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darnell:

ill have to check but most apt-get install mythtv .. maybe mythtv-backend and some other dependencies.. im not sure since im on my windows partition now..

[21:38:01]

darnell:

ive even install mythtv-control-centre and done everything in that

[21:38:02]

wagnerrp:

you installed it... and then what did you do?

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darnell:

i installed it and then I go to system, and click on mythtv backend config

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wagnerrp:

so you did all the stuff in mythtv-setup?

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darnell:

i think.. again, i'd have to log into my ubuntu partition

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wagnerrp:

you gave it an IP address to use

[21:39:00]

wagnerrp:

you defined your tuner card

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wagnerrp:

you set up a video source

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wagnerrp:

mapped that source to your tuner card's input

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wagnerrp:

scanned for channels

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wagnerrp:

set up storage

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darnell:

mythtv-setup merely ask for "language" and then says no upnp.

[21:39:34]

darnell:

thats what im saying

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darnell:

sometimes i install it...

[21:40:04]

darnell:

lets say.. on a fresh partition and it works fine and im able to configure tv tuner and schedules direct etc..

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darnell:

even though now i find my tuner cards dont work..

[21:40:21]

darnell:

but i cant even get to that is what im saying

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wagnerrp:

so you cant even get mythtv-setup to open?

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wagnerrp:

if thats the case, you have not even set up the initial database for it to log onto

[21:41:31]

justinh:

on a new install of mythtv on ubuntu did you ever notice those screens which popped up? Did you just dismiss them without ever reading them properly?

[21:41:38]

wagnerrp:

you need to find a step-by-step howto for mythubuntu, and follow it

[21:42:04]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is not something you can just 'wing' without reading documentation

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darnell:

yeah, none of them are really clear. the boxes show up, but i read not to put in a password ..

[21:42:19]

justinh:

it's pretty darn hard to fail at installing mythtv on ubuntu believe it or not. So long as you read those nice messages it pops up during installation

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darnell:

but then mysql adds its on password..

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darnell:

etc

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wagnerrp:

mysql does no such thing

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darnell:

mythtv is kinda hard to deal with man

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darnell:

ok..

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu may do something as such

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justinh:

as wagnerrp said you can't install mythtv just by stabbing buttons & hoping for the best

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wagnerrp:

but thats mythbuntu

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darnell:

lets do this... ill show u.. ill log into my linux partition and be back

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darnell:

tell me though..

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wagnerrp:

and really, mythbuntu has a significantly different setup process than if you were just installing mythtv manually

[21:43:25]

wagnerrp:

you should be in #mythbuntu asking for help

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darnell:

how do i delete and purge all mythtv so i can start over fresh

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darnell:

?

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wagnerrp:

all information mythtv uses is stored in the database

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wagnerrp:

if you delete the database, you start fresh

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darnell:

whats the command

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wagnerrp:

... unless mythbuntu stores other stuff externally

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darnell:

no mythubuntu..

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darnell:

just mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you said you were running mythbuntu

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darnell:

sorry, i meant mythtv

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wagnerrp:

if you are running mythtv on ubuntu, you are running mythbuntu

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darnell:

i have ubuntu 10.04.. fresh install pretty much after updates

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wagnerrp:

with mythbuntu control center

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wagnerrp:

and all of mythbuntu's wrapper scripts

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wagnerrp:

and all sorts of other stuff that go a long way to automate a lot of mythtv's installation

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darnell:

ok, i understand.. how do i delete it all..? just from synaptic?

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wagnerrp:

but will render someone who is actually running mythtv from scratch lost

[21:45:51]

wagnerrp:

which is why most people in here cant help you, but the people in #mythbuntu could

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wagnerrp:

deleting the packages will not flush the data

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wagnerrp:

because the data is stored in a mysql database

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tgm4883:

darnell, what exactly are you trying to do?

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wagnerrp:

even deleting the mysql package will not do it, because apt will not destroy the database itself

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darnell:

i want to take whatever i have of mythtv i have on my ubuntu system and start from scratch and have someone help me go through this and get it setup correctly.. then i'll go out tonight and get the proper tuner that will work for it. tgm4883

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darnell:

so what should it do? sudo apt-get remove "what"

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tgm4883:

I wonder if purging mysql would remove the db?

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tgm4883:

I would think yes

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wagnerrp:

i would hope the package manager would leave the actual database files around

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, well there is a difference between a remove and a purge

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wagnerrp:

especially since those were not installed, but generated later by the application

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darnell:

i dont know.. i know enough about linux to use it well..

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wagnerrp:

ah, never used apt

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darnell:

not anything else

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tgm4883:

is there an issue with the current db?

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wagnerrp:

probably not

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darnell:

apparently tgm4883. here is what ill do..

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tgm4883:

whats the problem?

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darnell:

ill just stay here and ill reinstall ubuntu fresh and do updates.

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darnell:

then ill ask how to get this mythtv up and running

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** tgm4883 still wonders what the issue is **

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tgm4883:

it's pretty difficult to get to a place where you need to scrap the db

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darnell:

the issue is tgm4883 ...

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wagnerrp:

darnell: and when you do so, you will still be running mythbuntu, with all of its automated setup and wrapper scripts

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wagnerrp:

not mythtv

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wagnerrp:

meaning this will still be the wrong place to ask for installation help

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darnell:

wagnerrp...ok.. but how is..

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: he cant get mythtv-setup to find the database

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tgm4883:

does the db actually exist?

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wagnerrp:

presumably MCC set it up for him

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tgm4883:

did he install a master backend or a slave backend?

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darnell:

ubuntu 10.04 still mythubuntu when i install only ubuntu 10.04 and then type sudo apt-get install mythtv

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darnell:

?

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darnell:

i thought mythtv is an application and mythubuntu is an OS

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tgm4883:

darnell, did you install mythbuntu-control-centre?

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu is the project maintaining the mythtv packages for ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

if you get mythtv from ubuntu, you are running the mythbuntu packages

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tgm4883:

darnell, what is the output of 'dpkg -l mythtv-backend-master'

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darnell:

YES, because a forum online told me i should when i was having the no upnp or upnd problem

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wagnerrp:

if you are running the mythbuntu OS, you are running ubuntu pre-loaded with the mythbuntu packages

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cryptkpr:

Hello, I have a non-writable samba share containing my xvid movie collection on my network that I would like to be able to watch on my mythtv box. Is it possible or do I have to have the directory writable?

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darnell:

im not though, im running ubuntu 10.04 lts with the mythtv and control center application installed

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wagnerrp:

cryptkpr: mythtv does not need write access

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darnell:

tgm.. give me a few moments to reboot and ill give u the answer to that question

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tgm4883:

darnell, what is the output of 'dpkg -l mythtv-backend-master'

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wagnerrp:

darnell: no, you are running ubuntu 10.04 with the mythbuntu packages installed

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darnell:

hrm..

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darnell:

how did that happen?

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darnell:

i just simply wanted mythtv... so i typed sudo apt-get install mythtv

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wagnerrp:

because the mythbuntu project provides the mythtv packages for ubuntu

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darnell:

and maybe some other things i was told

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wagnerrp:

yes, and that installed mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, darnell thats a moot point

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darnell:

hrm

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darnell:

?

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tgm4883:

it doesn't really matter

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: im trying to explain to him why #mythbuntu is the proper place for him to get setup help

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cryptkpr:

wagnerrp: what is the best way to go about setting that up?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, ah

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wagnerrp:

since there is a lot more setup that someone installing mythtv from scratch would do, that a mythbuntu user would not

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wagnerrp:

meaning i really have no idea where he is or what needs to be done

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wagnerrp:

cryptkpr: go into mythtv-setup, storage directories, add the mount point of your samba share to the Videos directory

[21:56:43]

darnell:

thats ok. Im listening to you guys.. im logging into ubuntu now

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yea all our users really need to do is mythtv-setup after installing the right package

[21:57:28]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: right, meaning if he cant access the database, something bad happened that you would need a fellow mythbuntu user to properly diagnose

[21:57:55]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, can he even log into the db via mysql?

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wagnerrp:

cryptkpr: you will want to define folders for the various types of artwork, and you will want them to be writable

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darnell:

i dont want mythubuntu :( i just want mythtv boohoo'

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tgm4883:

darnell, just answer the question

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: presumably, since he was claiming he made sure the login/password in mysql.txt was correct

[21:58:44]

wagnerrp:

of course he could have been talking about his username and password to the system

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tgm4883:

I don't want to try and explain all of this

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cryptkpr:

wagnerrp: already mounted the share and added it to the videos directory but it keeps giving not writable and i dont see anything in my media library

[21:59:19]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: you might enjoy this one... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/473240

[21:59:31]

wagnerrp:

cryptkpr: have you told mythtv to scan for content?

[21:59:43]

darnell:

ill need to login to irc on the other computer, then ill paste the question u asked earlier. just a moment

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darnell:

pretty much it says reinstall required though

[22:00:18]

cryptkpr:

did a mythfilldatabase but Im guessing thats not right.

[22:00:36]

wagnerrp:

no, go into the videos directory, m --> scan for videos

[22:00:36]

darnell:

uppercase-bad etc

[22:00:42]

darnell:

brb

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darnell_:

darnell@Zhara-LR:~$ sudo dpkg -l mythtv-backend-master

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darnell_:

[sudo] password for darnell:

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darnell_:

Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold

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darnell_:

| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend

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darnell_:

|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)

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darnell_:

||/ Name Version Description

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darnell_:

+++-==============-==============-============================================

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darnell_:

ii mythtv-backend 0.23.0+fixes24 Metapackage to setup and configure a "Master

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darnell_:

darnell@Zhara-LR:~$

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** tgm4883 sighs **

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darnell_:

sorry if thats spamming

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tgm4883:

darnell, what is the output of 'dpkg -l mythtv-backend-master'

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wagnerrp:

is that the end of it?

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darnell:

thats it man

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tgm4883:

or this is a better question

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darnell:

all of it

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tgm4883:

dpkg -l mysql-server*

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wagnerrp:

do not paste more than two lines in

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wagnerrp:

anything more, use a pastebin site

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darnell:

ok

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tgm4883:

cause i'm pretty sure I know the issue

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tgm4883:

also, you are using 0.23.0 pre-release

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darnell_:

i mythtv-backend 0.23.0+fixes24 Metapackage to setup and configure a "Master

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darnell_:

darnell@Zhara-LR:~$ dpkg -l mysql-server

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darnell_:

Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold

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darnell_:

| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend

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tgm4883:

OMG

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darnell_:

|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)

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darnell_:

||/ Name Version Description

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darnell_:

ii mysql-server 5.1.41–3ubuntu MySQL database server (metapackage depending

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darnell_:

darnell@Zhara-LR:~$

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o wagnerrp

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darnell:

thats what it says

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darnell:

why OMG

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darnell:

?

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darnell:

cant be that bad, i can just reinstall

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wagnerrp:

because you keep spamming the channel

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darnell:

u said 2 lines man..

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wagnerrp:

as i said, do not paste more than two lines in

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wagnerrp:

thats like 10

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darnell:

i cant help it if it does more

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wagnerrp:

yes you can, you just dont do it

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tgm4883:

darnell, you can read?

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darnell:

ok, since i dont know pastebin, someone tell me where pastebin is..

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darnell:

every acts like everyone that comes here knows all of this stuff

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wagnerrp:

!url lmgtfy pastebin

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=pastebin

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[R]:

darnell: you mean like that url in the topic?

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wagnerrp:

we do act like everyone that comes in here has read the channel topic

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wagnerrp:

thats just common practice on IRC

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I think you'll enjoy this one http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10497859&postcount=13

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tgm4883:

I couldn't handle it anymore today

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: yeah, saw the comment in the other channel, thats why i posted the gossamer thread link

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tgm4883:

heh

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darnell:

listen, im only here because i represent a big company here in seattle that wants to use ubuntu and mythtv. im sorry if i didnt read the topic but i suspect most people dont care, they just want an answer

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darnell:

ill post it in the pastebin

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** tgm4883 wonders what that has to do with anything? " i represent a big company here in seattle" **

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use mythtv for commercial purposes, there is a fairly large mythtv community in seattle, including multiple developers

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wagnerrp:

i would bet they would love to help you under contract

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darnell:

nevermind. we'll just use wmc or sage or something

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darnell:

they do..

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darnell:

its fine. nevermind

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darnell:

we've been looking at ubuntu and myth a long time wanting to invest.

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tgm4883:

since mythtv is free software, that is a pretty empty threat

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darnell:

its not a threat..

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darnell:

we know its free..

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[R]:

rofl

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darnell:

we wanted to invest anyway to ..

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darnell:

again, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

invest... what? we dont take donations

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darnell:

heh, i bet you would have

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tgm4883:

darnell, again, empty threat

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wagnerrp:

no, it is project policy not to take donations

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justinh:

darnell: no, no donations can be taken

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darnell:

its not a threat, i dont threaten. just wanted a little help and to go somewhere thats user friendly..

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wagnerrp:

we accept patches, and certain developers have added support for various things under contract

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darnell:

which obviously there is a lacking thereof..

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tgm4883:

darnell, yea, thats exactly what you are doing here. Trying to threaten us, or make us feel bad for not helping you

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darnell:

no..

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tgm4883:

in reality, all we ask is that you follow some simple rules

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darnell:

ill figure it out in time all on my own.

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tgm4883:

darnell, yes

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, you are using mythbuntu, which is supposed to do a number of things which seem to not have happened

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darnell:

i dont need this to turn into an argument ...

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tgm4883:

since if you really didn't care and didn't want to theaten, you would have just left the channel

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wagnerrp:

the only comments ive been making are to urge you to the correct channel that would better assist you

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jya:

wagnerrp: what is it with the audio scanner ?

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tgm4883:

as a mythbuntu (not mythtv) developer, I can attempt to assist you. The people here have been trying to help you

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jya:

where can I read this spam folder?

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darnell:

tgm, i dont mean to threaten, its not my nature just to leave.. thats all

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darnell:

just wanted help so that i can train others

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wagnerrp:

jya: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/admin/spamfilter/monitor/35087

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tgm4883:

darnell, i'd be happy to help. as would the people in this irc chat

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tgm4883:

but your comments come across as threats

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jya:

wagnerrp: the minute he upgrades his ALSA to something recent, this will be fixed

[22:17:18]

wagnerrp:

darnell: we just cant help you with basic setup, as mythbuntu does a lot of its own thing for that

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darnell:

im beginning to understand that.. what i dont understand is this...

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darnell:

if i installed ubuntu 10.04.. at what point did it become mythubuntu?

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jya:

the new alsalib creates an alias to all those hdmi device ; like hdmi:CARD=1,DEV=x with x = 1 to 9 usually

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wagnerrp:

and explaining how to go through and doing everything manually, as with a stock mythtv install, would likely cause problems with other things mythbuntu expects to be in place

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tgm4883:

darnell, yea that gets a little confusing

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justinh:

and the thing about the messages shown during installation – it's vitally important that you do the right thing there. if you don't know what should go where & why just ask

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tgm4883:

the mythbuntu team provides the mythtv packages to ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

darnell: mythbuntu is the project that provides mythtv packages for ubuntu

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darnell:

because im on my partition now and it looks like 10.04 to me

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wagnerrp:

if you install 'mythtv' through the ubuntu package repositories, you get the same modified mythtv install as you would if you installed mythbuntu the OS

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tgm4883:

darnell, it's still different, wagnerrp is simplifying it a bit

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, for the record, our channel is #ubuntu-mythtv

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tgm4883:

might make for less confusion

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: i thought one linked to the other

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wagnerrp:

or redirected, or some such

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tgm4883:

yea #mythbuntu forwards

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jya:

darnell: mythbuntu == ubuntu, with some specific packages on top of it. there's no difference in it, can go from one to the other and vice-versa

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wagnerrp:

and some other packages removed, like ubuntu and pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

erm.. gentoo

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wagnerrp:

gnome

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wagnerrp:

gad

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wagnerrp:

and some other packages removed, like gnome and pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

there, that works

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jya:

look at mythbuntu as a pre-packaged ubuntu distro, without stuff that have no use with mythtv

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drindt:

please help me, i got since months no epg anymore for 3 channels. so i checked now and another programm gots epg with same receiver, what can i do guys?

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jya:

wagnerrp: I would have marked that bug as invalid anyway. It's an alsa issue, and if he want to use ALSA:hw:1,7 for passthrough, he already can

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wagnerrp:

fair enough, just ignore it then

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darnell:

ok guys, i hear you. lets say i format the drive and start over.. what steps do i need to take to install mythtv

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justinh:

*please* read some documentation

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justinh:

*ubuntu* *specific* documentation

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darnell:

and now my curiosity is driving me crazy.. what then is the difference installing mythtv besides mythubuntu..

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tgm4883:

darnell, install mythbuntu

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darnell:

should i install mythubuntu as an os and i wouldnt have this issue?

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wagnerrp:

darnell: mythbuntu, as well as the mythtv packages for ubuntu, automate a lot of the setup that you would otherwise have to do manually

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tgm4883:

thats the easiest way to install a ubuntu based media center with mythtv

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justinh:

no, you might still get this issue because it does actually require the user to be awake when they install it

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wagnerrp:

as such, the initial setup is different, and the instructions we would normally give in here would not work

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tgm4883:

darnell, http://mythbuntu.org/about

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wagnerrp:

similarly, the help we would give when something went wrong would not work

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wagnerrp:

once you have mythtv installed, we can help you from mythtv-setup forward

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wagnerrp:

but things like the database setup would be ubuntu specific

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darnell:

so im gonna download an iso of mythubuntu and install from there. ill do nothing after the install besides come here and ask for assistance

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justinh:

*please* read some documentation first

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wagnerrp:

you read the documentation for installing mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

you only come in here and ask for assistance if something breaks

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justinh:

you'll be doing yourself a big favour and save yourself some time

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wagnerrp:

and if you cant even get mythtv-setup running because of database issues, then you ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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justinh:

if you read the docs & need help understanding stuff... sure

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wagnerrp:

all of the mythbuntu control center stuff is their area of expertise

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wagnerrp:

many of us have never even seen it

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o wagnerrp

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tgm4883:

darnell, i'd grab 10.04, cause it's LTS and offers future mythtv versions though the mythbuntu team provided repos

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justinh:

oh wow that gallery3 stuff is a CPU hog

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justinh:

load average: 19.26, 9.54, 4.58

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wagnerrp:

thumbnail generation?

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awalls:

19.26! wow.

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wagnerrp:

hopefully those get cached

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justinh:

image rotation

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drindt:

please help me, i got since months no epg anymore for 3 channels. so i checked now and another programm gots epg with same receiver, what can i do guys?

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wagnerrp:

tell you to not use EIT?

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darnell:

tgm4883, you would grab "mythubuntu" 10.04?

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tgm4883:

yes

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu, no extra 'u'

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darnell_:

gothca

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justinh:

wonder if there's a setup option to nice the imagemagick stuff

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justinh:

if there's not.. erm.. I might have to put gallery3 in the can

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darnell_:

although i love the extra "u"...

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darnell_:

sounds so ice... anyway.. bbl.

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darnell_:

nice

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wagnerrp:

drindt: look through the open tickets for the EIT component on trac

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wagnerrp:

see if anything matches your issue

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wagnerrp:

if not, post a new ticket and someone who knows what theyre doing with EIT will tell you what information they need

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wagnerrp:

drindt: theres probably only one person currently active in here who has any idea what theyre doing with EIT, and i doubt he knows enough about the mythtv internals to have any idea what might be wrong

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drindt:

wagnerrp: active EIT scan should be disabled?

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justinh:

try it with & without

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wagnerrp:

one way pulls EIT data during active recordings, the other actively scans channels on its own while the tuners are otherwise idle

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justinh:

but if you don't have active EIT scanning enabled you might run into problems if you don't record those channels much

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wagnerrp:

i can never remember which is which

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wagnerrp:

justinh: active is the one that runs during idle time?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: active is going off & getting the EIT data whenever. the other is just during recorings

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justinh:

as far as I know it is

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justinh:

so if you don't enable active scanning, need EPG data for channel X but seldom record from channel X.. er...

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justinh:

it depends how the EIT data is carried where you are

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drindt:

ok i disabled this option, in the log i cant find errors about eit, so i reboot the machine now and check it.

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wagnerrp:

reboot why?

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justinh:

rrrrr. how is this thing so blimmin slow?

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justinh:

all it's doing is losslessly rotating a 12 megapixel jpeg.. lol

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wagnerrp:

can you losslessly rotate jpegs?

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[R]:

i think i rmemeber seeing that anytime you change a jpeg it alwyas looses qualiti

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wagnerrp:

yes, because you have to decompress, and recompress

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wagnerrp:

you cannot edit a compressed file directly

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justinh:

maybe it's not lossless, though I'm sure PSP claims it can

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wagnerrp:

PSP?

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justinh:

paintshop pro

[22:52:24]

justinh:

http://www.ammara.com/support/technologies/lo . . . otation.html

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wagnerrp:

well you could probably edit one block without recompressing the whole file, but that block will not be lossless

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wagnerrp:

if its truly lossless, then there is really no processing

[22:53:13]

wagnerrp:

youre just flipping some flag in the file

[22:53:26]

wagnerrp:

it should be not much slower than just copying the file

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justinh:

anyhoo.. whenever I've done a 'lossless' rotate it takes longer than opening it, doing the rotate & saving it

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** wagnerrp wonders if neXyon is ever going to make it over here **

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i dont understand the whole concept of 'unrotatable area' on that page

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justinh:

something about block sizes & rounding

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wagnerrp:

i mean if youre doing lossless, youre going jpeg to jpeg

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wagnerrp:

so the original image is going to have to be divisible by 16 just like the resultant image

[22:59:05]

wagnerrp:

so it should not be possible to have a jpeg that would have non-rotatable areas

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wagnerrp:

i mean you cant have a 26x47 image, any more than you could have a 47x26 image

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wagnerrp:

unless am i misunderstanding something?

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justinh:

I dunno. gallery3 reckons it can do it losslessly

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justinh:

I try not to read too much about how image compression works in depth ;)

[23:04:19]

wagnerrp:

i mean im saying that the same constraints will apply globally

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AndyCap:

gallery uses jpegtran still?

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wagnerrp:

you should not be able to produce a jpeg of the necessary dimensions that when rotated, it would exceed the block sizes

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justinh:

ok I believe you. now I'm off to bed. early night for a saturday heh

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, convert blah.jpg -resize 799x799 foo.jpg ; jpegtran -rot 90 foo.jpg > bar.jpg produces one with the unrotated strip of 7 pixels

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: but a jpg cannot exist at 799x799

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mycosys:

guys – just wanted to give you much kudos on dealing with darnell_ so well – i hope all ur stuff survived intact – would have been hard not to smash something

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wagnerrp:

it must be divisible by 8 or 16

[23:11:52]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: or does jpg use some funky padding that for whatever reason cannot be rotated with the rest of the block?

[23:11:53]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, an image format not supporting arbitrary sizes wouldn't fly. Is there perhaps just one component of the data that needs to be %8

[23:12:14]

mycosys:

thats to u wagnerrp and tgm4883 esp

[23:12:15]

wagnerrp:

compressed video doesnt support arbitrary sizes

[23:12:32]

wagnerrp:

all of the mpeg family must be divisible by 16

[23:12:47]

wagnerrp:

which means 1920x1080 video has an extra 8 rows of padding

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AndyCap:

The top and left of a JPEG image must lie on a block boundary, but the bottom and right need not do so.

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dayglo98:

hello all

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mycosys:

!hello

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mycosys:

!ask

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: do you know if that was one of the complaints about the VP8/WebM image format? that it couldnt support arbitrary resolutions?

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dayglo98:

anyone willing to lend a hand regarding a hauppauge HDPRV-1250 ?

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wagnerrp:

no such thing

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** mycosys is pretty sure wagnerrp has this one lol **

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dayglo98:

Bah I meant a PVR-1250 :p

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darnell_:

guy, you make no sense. ???

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wagnerrp:

theres an HDPVR, and an HVR-1250, but they are completely different devices

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darnell_:

dealing with darnell? what is that supose to mean?

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wagnerrp:

although there is an issue with lspci where it will mistake some third card for a fictitious HDPVR-1250

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dayglo98:

ok lemme get the box it came in...lspci lists it as HDPVR-1250 model 1196 rev 04

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dayglo98:

oh i see

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dayglo98:

HVR-1250 it is

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dayglo98:

model 1201 according to the box

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-1250 should work out-of-the-box with any kernel 2.6.27 (i think) or newer

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wagnerrp:

i hope youre not running centos?

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dayglo98:

nope ubuntu 10.10 x64

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ubuntu should have a driver module built for it

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wagnerrp:

it should be autodetected, loaded, and you should have a /dev/dvb/adapter<n>/

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dayglo98:

I have been without linux for 5 years and first time trying to run myth-tv, can I run myth-tv in windowed mode ?

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend will operate in windowed mode, you can either set it permanently in the appearance settings, or force it on the command line with --windowed

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wagnerrp:

however it will not be dynamically resizeable

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dayglo98:

ok

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wagnerrp:

you can move it around, but resizing it will require the application to reset

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dayglo98:

oh this reminds me of an issue

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dayglo98:

is it normal (guess not) that my mouse cursor only appears when I am over anykind of menu or drop down list

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dayglo98:

in myth-tv

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv is designed to be used with a remote, on a tv, where a mouse cursor i not desired

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wagnerrp:

the default behavior is to hide the cursor

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wagnerrp:

but you can make the cursor visible in the frontend appearance settings

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dayglo98:

thanks

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dayglo98:

well it's quite akward coz I'm guessing there's a cancel/apply/ok button down the screen but i can't see it

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Rabbit^^:

I do not quite understand what VDPAU is? Does someone still need an independent TV tuner AND and a GPU?

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wagnerrp:

specify the size of the frontend manually on the command line with '--geometry <width>x<height>'

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dayglo98:

great thanks

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: VDPAU is nvidia's interface for hardware accelerated video decoding

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mycosys:

Rabbit^^ vdpau means that the conversion of the video to something you can see is done by your video card rather than your cpu

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wagnerrp:

has nothing to do with recording

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU is used for display, which is a frontend task

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wagnerrp:

tuners are used for recording, which is a backend task

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wagnerrp:

the two never mix

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Wicked:

Rabbit^^, basically hd video is hard for a cpu to decode. vdpau offloads video to your graphics card which handles it MUCH better resulting in less strain on the cpu

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[R]:

Wicked: hard for a crappy cpu to decode...

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Rabbit^^:

Does AMD (ATI) have something similar?

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wagnerrp:

yes, hd video is hard for OLD cpus to decode, modern chips really have little trouble with it

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you shodn't say old though... because atoms arent old

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Rabbit^^:

Is the Pentium D modern enough?

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Wicked:

my modern core2duo still chokes on some 1080 stuff

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Wicked:

using vdpau results in much better playback

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: they have XvBA, which they only released the specs on today

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wagnerrp:

they also have a backend interface through VAAPI, which is not stable, and not supported by mythtv

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wagnerrp:

[R]: thats not a CPU, thats an advanced microcontroller

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

good one

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Rabbit^^:

With that spec apply to any AIW GPUs?

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wagnerrp:

would what apply?

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Rabbit^^:

XvBA?

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wagnerrp:

the question is moot, as mythtv does not support it

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dayglo98:

anyone wants to hold my hand for the mythtv-setup ?

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dayglo98:

i just washed em :p

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[R]:

dayglo98: i charge $50//hr

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dayglo98:

i'm outta luck then :p

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Wicked:

i always suspected [R] of being a escort.

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wagnerrp:

dayglo98: the documentation is there for 'hand holding', were here for specific questions

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dayglo98:

haha

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[R]:

Wicked: i prefer the term manstitute

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: $50/hr is a cheap escort

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: no, don't know what problems people have with WebM images

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Rabbit^^:

My desktop CPU is a Pentium D 920. Is that system viable as a PVR?

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dayglo98:

Oh I guess I wasn't paying attention when i read the doc, i'll be back after reading

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Wicked:

wagnerrp, some of us like to save money anyway possible

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Wicked:

;)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and yet over priced for [R]. Curious.

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dayglo98:

funny i just watched deuce bigalow american gigolo last night

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AndyCap:

[R]: just a gigolo?

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Wicked:

lol

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Wicked:

Rabbit^^, yes and no.

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: i wouldnt consider a pentium d viable for anything but needless power consumption

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Wicked:

Rabbit^^, id personally go out and buy a nvidia based card and use vdpau

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wagnerrp:

although it should work fine for ATSC content, if youre just trying to get used to mythtv

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Wicked:

Rabbit^^, it combined with a nvidia(something in the or better then 2 series) would be ok

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wagnerrp:

i would recommend replacing it with a modern athlon II X2, or core2duo

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Rabbit^^:

I am keeping the AIW for DISPLAY only. I plan on purchasing a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-2250.

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wagnerrp:

no, you should not use an AMD card for video playback in linux

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wagnerrp:

their drivers are not reliable

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Wicked:

ati/amd gpu's in linux are bad.

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Wicked:

nvidia's linux support is 100 times better.

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Wicked:

and offer more features(in linux)

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Rabbit^^:

I cannot find the my Intel D945GTP support the proper socket for a Core2. Does that seem possible?

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wagnerrp:

amd IS getting better, but theyre just not there yet

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Wicked:

yea. maybe in a year or two they will be "good enough to use)®

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, if they get close you can bet they will get rewritten

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dayglo98:

lol i have my first question already, when I choose new card--->Card Type

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wagnerrp:

dayglo98: the HVR-1250 is a DVB card

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dayglo98:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

select that in the dropdown, and the card should be autodetected

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Rabbit^^:

My top two upgrades at this time are a 1TB HDD and the TV tuner.

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mycosys:

yes rabbit^^ a pentium d 920 can work just fine as a backend, and with a decent video card as a frontend

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mycosys:

i had a sempron64 3800+ doing the job using a GT210 video card, and 3 tuners

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wagnerrp:

it can work as a backend, but its really a bit underpowered, and it is 6yr old hardware

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mycosys:

but you will NEED to have hardware encoding tuners, or digital tuners

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wagnerrp:

the -2250 he is looking at getting fits that bill

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mycosys:

just upgraded my backend/frontend to an athlon64 x2 5200+ – not much faster but less power hungry than what he has

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wagnerrp:

vastly faster

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mycosys:

the 3800+ sure wasnt

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Rabbit^^:

I will eventually upgrade this system to a Core Series (probably i5–650) and put the current MoBo in a case currently house an UNUSED PIII (HDD cannabalized for Pentium D system)?

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wagnerrp:

a 5200+ probably has a good 50–60% more performance than the D-920

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wagnerrp:

at least its a dual core P4, and not the older single cores

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mycosys:

i would lean to the althlon II rabbit^^ they are cheap as chips and perform very well

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wagnerrp:

any i5 will be more that sufficient than anything you want to play in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

more than sufficient for

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wagnerrp:

that processor will be sufficient as a starter system

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wagnerrp:

but its underpowered, at least for my tastes

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Rabbit^^:

Right now, that system is Windows XP Pro with SP3. I am having a devil of a time getting this set-up to function as a DVR. It currently does NOT have an independent TV tuner, just an AIW 2006 Series PCIe.

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wagnerrp:

ive got a similarly capable opteron 1.8, that i am in dire need of replacement

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mycosys:

just would mean commercial flaggin and transcoding takes longer

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wagnerrp:

of course... there are people who run their backend on Atoms and even ARMs, that are somehow content with it

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mycosys:

i only upgraded from the sempron cos i upgraded my desktop

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mycosys:

took me a year to get round to it

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Rabbit^^:

The XP Pro is non-MCE.

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: the AIW cards were never well supported in linux

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wagnerrp:

its very likely it will not be usable as a tuner card

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wagnerrp:

but... the linuxtv guys would have the final say

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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Rabbit^^:

The tuner has sporadically worked snce around six months after I purchased the system (mostly not), which is why I thought an independent TV tuner would be a wise option.

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 will work well for digital

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wagnerrp:

if you want it for analog, you will either need a very recent kernel, or will need to build your own driver modules for it

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Rabbit^^:

I want it connected to a cable box.

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wagnerrp:

then you will need analog support

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mycosys:

ubuntu 10.10 would have a recent enough kernel wouldnt it?

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wagnerrp:

doubtful

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mycosys:

.35 iirc it shipped with

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wagnerrp:

support was not merged in until .37, maybe .38

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wagnerrp:

awalls: you remember which one?

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wagnerrp:

guess hes idling

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awalls:

soory. reading logs now..

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awalls:

/sorry/

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wagnerrp:

what kernel were the 2250 analog drivers merged into? .37 or .38?

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awalls:

wagnerrp: No, I don't remember which one.

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awalls:

I'd have to look again

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wagnerrp:

nah, no need

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: just assume youll need to build the drivers for that card manually if you want analog

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wagnerrp:

awalls: thanks

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dayglo98:

can anyone tell me what scan settings i should use for canadian standard cabletv ?

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awalls:

I would hope that v4l2-ctl --list-devices will show one if the HVR-2250 driver in use has any associated analog device nodes.

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wagnerrp:

dayglo98: us-cable frequency list, qam-256 modulation

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wagnerrp:

awalls: he hasnt bought it yet

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dayglo98:

thanks I will try that

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awalls:

Ah.

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dayglo98:

Cancelling the ongoing scan I had froze mythtv

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lotia is now known as lotia-away

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** awalls goes back to seeing how hard it will be to convert cx18 to videobuf2 **

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wagnerrp:

videobuf2?

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Rabbit^^:

Does anyone know if the Windows XP Pro SP3 (non-MCE) system might FUNCTION when an independent TV tuner is added?

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awalls:

New kernel internal implementation of of core video buffer handling.

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wagnerrp:

ah

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awalls:

videobuf(1) had lots of weird and odd bugs.

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** kormoc blinks at Rabbit^^ **

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Rabbit^^:

That is, function as a PVR?

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wagnerrp:

Rabbit^^: i would surely hope windows would not stop functioning simply by adding a card

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awalls:

cx18 and ivtv never used it, which is why those drivers are stuck with only read()/write() type streaming

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wagnerrp:

i dont know enough about tuner drivers to know why you would want anything more

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awalls:

fewer copies so one saves CPU cycles.

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Rabbit^^:

No, I am hoping to use the Windows XP Pro SP3 (non-MCE) as a PVR. It functions fine otherwise.

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wagnerrp:

so you are not hoping to use mythtv?

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