| Tuesday, February 15th, 2011, 00:10 UTC | ||
| [00:10:33] | Unhelpful: | hey, i got the software working, and apparently this is a know issue :) |
| [00:12:25] | ** sphery wonders how it's possible that with all the me-too's on the -users list thread about 0-byte recordings, tgm4883 hasn't gotten any replies on his thread, yet. ** | |
| [00:13:09] | sphery: | tgm4883: Oh, btw, the problem may or may not extend to non-HD-PVR capture devices, too... Some indications that ivtv-type devices and, possibly even, digital capture cards are affected |
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| [00:31:11] | vontrapp: | I am away from my computer but have shell access, I am about to lose some shows to autoexpire before I would get home |
| [00:31:24] | vontrapp: | all I need to do is change autoexpiremethod in the database and restart the frontend |
| [00:31:35] | kormoc: | the backend autoexpires |
| [00:31:45] | vontrapp: | so... what are the numerical values for the setting and what do they mean? |
| [00:31:50] | sphery: | best bet is to start copying the file to somewhere else |
| [00:32:04] | sphery: | after all, if mythtv is going to autoexpire the recording, it needs the space |
| [00:32:08] | vontrapp: | i don't have room, else it wouldn't be expiring, eh? ;) |
| [00:32:24] | sphery: | so you mean you want it to expire different recordings? |
| [00:32:29] | kormoc: | vontrapp, just go in via mythweb and toggle auto-expire off for those recordings you want to keep |
| [00:32:34] | sphery: | if so, just mark the recordings you want as not autoexpirable |
| [00:32:39] | vontrapp: | what happened is i set the autoexpire method to age/priority weighting |
| [00:32:51] | vontrapp: | but turns out that didn't work quite as well as I'd have liked |
| [00:33:07] | vontrapp: | so i'd like it to just expire the -7's i have instaed of the 0 that is currently slated |
| [00:33:26] | kormoc: | so x forwards and use the UI |
| [00:33:30] | kormoc: | *forward |
| [00:33:32] | sphery: | vontrapp: so go in to mythweb and delete the -7s |
| [00:33:46] | sphery: | you don't need to /let/ it autoexpire if you delete to make space |
| [00:33:52] | vontrapp: | x forwards UI would take me an hour to do what I could do in the database in 2 minutes |
| [00:34:08] | kormoc: | or you could take 30 seconds to do it in mythweb |
| [00:34:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i seem to have only gotten 4 minutes of jeopardy |
| [00:34:31] | sphery: | vontrapp: "what I could do in the database in 2 minutes" presuming you knew the data requirements and meanings for the data you want to manipulate |
| [00:34:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, watson? |
| [00:34:36] | vontrapp: | i'm averse to finding numerous long and esoteric filenames to manually delete, and then delete the database records, and make sure i'm keeping everything straight the whole time |
| [00:34:41] | sphery: | which, it seems you don't (and I don't) |
| [00:34:42] | vontrapp: | i'd much rather just change the autoexpire methods |
| [00:34:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: scratch that, jeopardy started 4 minutes ago |
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| [00:34:54] | vontrapp: | it *is* what I want to do anyway, and would do with the UI |
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| [00:34:56] | sphery: | vontrapp: mythweb... Recorded Programs. Delete button |
| [00:34:56] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was on at 7pm |
| [00:35:09] | sphery: | no long annoying filenames |
| [00:35:21] | sphery: | a *user* interface, designed for use |
| [00:35:23] | kormoc: | sphery, that's crazy talk! Using a web based UI for remote management! |
| [00:35:24] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yeah |
| [00:35:26] | vontrapp: | sphery: "assuming you knew the data requirements and meanings for the data" well isn't that the exact question i asked? ;) |
| [00:35:39] | sphery: | vontrapp: the UI knows... use it! |
| [00:35:50] | sphery: | vontrapp: are you saying you don't have access to mythweb? |
| [00:35:54] | vontrapp: | can i change the autoexpire setting from mythweb? |
| [00:35:59] | vontrapp: | i don't recall seeing it there |
| [00:36:03] | sphery: | though, IMHO, if you have access to ssh, you have access to mythweb |
| [00:36:05] | vontrapp: | and i have looked |
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| [00:36:14] | vontrapp: | i do have access to mythweb |
| [00:36:14] | sphery: | vontrapp: we're saying get rid of the recorings you want it to delete |
| [00:36:25] | kormoc: | vontrapp, or just mark the ones you care about as don't expire |
| [00:36:31] | sphery: | vontrapp: or tell the recordings you don't want it to delete not to autoexpire "Click to disable autoexpire" |
| [00:36:46] | sphery: | In MythWeb|Recorded Programs for /both/ approaches |
| [00:36:47] | vontrapp: | but I *want* to change the autoexpire method |
| [00:36:56] | sphery: | vontrapp: and when you get home tonight, you will... |
| [00:37:00] | kormoc: | vontrapp, and the only thing we'll do is tell you to use the UI |
| [00:37:16] | sphery: | this is to prevent "about to lose some shows to autoexpire before I would get home" |
| [00:37:22] | wagnerrp: | vontrapp: yes, you can change the autoexpire method from mythweb |
| [00:37:26] | sphery: | then when you get home, you use the UI to change autoexpire method |
| [00:37:26] | kormoc: | vontrapp, we don't support mucking with that data directly, and you shouldn't as you would have changed it, restarted the frontend and had it not take effect because you didn't know the backend handled that |
| [00:37:36] | wagnerrp: | you will have to mark individual shows to not expire |
| [00:37:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but you have to know the meaning of each value |
| [00:37:42] | vontrapp: | *sigh* whatever, I though somebody might know the numerical mappings of the database setting |
| [00:37:57] | sphery: | vontrapp: I think the answer is 42 |
| [00:38:00] | vontrapp: | lol |
| [00:38:02] | kormoc: | I agree. use 42 |
| [00:38:19] | kormoc: | I wonder if the backend would just segfault |
| [00:38:24] | sphery: | vontrapp: basically, we're just saying use the UI as it's meant to be used and don't try to outsmart the software |
| [00:38:31] | sphery: | because if you put in bad values, bad things will happen |
| [00:38:48] | sphery: | if you put in good values and don't properly restart all the parts that need restarting, you're likely to lose the wrong recordings |
| [00:38:53] | vontrapp: | that's why i asked for good values |
| [00:38:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im not sure what youre talking about numerical values |
| [00:38:55] | sphery: | if you do everything right, you might get lucky |
| [00:38:58] | wagnerrp: | isnt autoexpire just on or off? |
| [00:39:05] | wagnerrp: | (in mythweb) |
| [00:39:05] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, he wants to change the auto-expire method |
| [00:39:19] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know we had multiple |
| [00:39:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: autoexpire method is a list of numerical values that map to different means of determining which recording to expire |
| [00:39:31] | kormoc: | vontrapp, a good value doens't mean it will even work |
| [00:39:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you /can/ change autoexpire on an individual recording in mythweb easily without having to know underlying code details |
| [00:39:53] | sphery: | so I think that's what you were saying |
| [00:40:06] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:40:14] | wagnerrp: | just disable autoexpire on whatever he was concerned about |
| [00:40:24] | wagnerrp: | or as mentioned already, delete anything he doesnt |
| [00:40:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yep, that or deleting the shows he wants deleted are the best approaches--and easy to do with mythweb |
| [00:40:47] | sphery: | and if he has ssh access, he has mythweb access |
| [00:40:54] | sphery: | (thanks to ssh SOCKS5 proxy) |
| [00:41:12] | kormoc: | or just ssh port forwarding |
| [00:41:16] | sphery: | or even port forwardning |
| [00:41:18] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:42:06] | wagnerrp: | hehe... made in china |
| [00:42:09] | kormoc: | I wonder if the fix for the please wait screen is just a sleep 10 |
| [00:42:53] | sphery: | kormoc: did you see markk's commit from today that changed around order of init? Might fix or affect it. |
| [00:43:03] | sphery: | then again, I now realize you were joking |
| [00:43:05] | sphery: | lol |
| [00:43:07] | wagnerrp: | watson has foxconn socket frames on the boards |
| [00:43:08] | kormoc: | :) |
| [00:43:19] | wagnerrp: | wonder if they made the whole motherboard to go along with it |
| [00:43:20] | kormoc: | they want to wait? Let them wait! |
| [00:43:35] | sphery: | I forgot this is the most-critical issue ever to happen to mythtv |
| [00:43:44] | sphery: | the users for whom the Please Wait screen appeared no longer see it |
| [00:43:59] | kormoc: | I've never seen it |
| [00:43:59] | sphery: | (and the users for whom it didn't appear have no clue just how /terribly/ broken MythTV now is) |
| [00:44:11] | sphery: | ah, to be naive and clueless, like kormoc |
| [00:44:16] | sphery: | ;) |
| [00:44:17] | ** kormoc weeps for humanity... the humanity myth has ruined for all of time ** | |
| [00:44:26] | sphery: | lol |
| [00:44:53] | sphery: | 'tis fun to make fun of list mountains |
| [00:45:01] | sphery: | and cut them back down to the molehills they really are |
| [00:45:13] | wagnerrp: | why trabek... why are you explaining the daily double to watson |
| [00:45:16] | wagnerrp: | he cant hear you |
| [00:45:19] | ** sphery wonders where to put these megatons of rock and dirt that litter his floor ** | |
| [00:45:31] | kormoc: | anthill |
| [00:45:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, but but but... it's the rules! |
| [00:45:47] | sphery: | time to check if I'm getting jeopardy |
| [00:46:00] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, yeah--probably can't even call them mole-cricket hills |
| [00:46:19] | sphery: | s/can't/can/ |
| [00:46:49] | sphery: | oooh, I see Alex in my preview |
| [00:47:11] | sphery: | too bad it's not Watson |
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| [00:47:27] | wagnerrp: | man, theyre getting raped |
| [00:48:03] | sphery: | wow, after watching that Nova episode--and seeing how personally the lead took some of the jokes--that's not good to hear |
| [00:48:18] | wagnerrp: | well they shouldnt have given him that one |
| [00:48:19] | sphery: | but Ken Jennings and whats his name... I kind of expected it |
| [00:48:25] | wagnerrp: | 'maxwells silver hammer' isnt a person |
| [00:48:52] | wagnerrp: | no, they as in jennings and the other guy |
| [00:48:57] | wagnerrp: | theyre taking it hard |
| [00:49:14] | vontrapp: | kormoc: i did know i would restart the backend, for the record. |
| [00:50:15] | sphery: | ohhh |
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| [00:50:27] | sphery: | then the project lead will be happy |
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| [00:50:44] | wagnerrp: | first commercial and hes up by $4000 |
| [00:51:05] | sphery: | I definitely think this is one of those things like a standardized intelligence test--some questions are better for different test-takers |
| [00:51:10] | kormoc: | unless they're letting him win and pretending to be upset just to get him off his guard! |
| [00:51:33] | sphery: | if they've been mostly-trivial (facts, figures, etc.), Watson has the huge advantage |
| [00:51:46] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: its more the kind of thing that if he does come up with an answer, they cant compete on speed |
| [00:52:00] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [00:52:01] | sphery: | if there's more crazy word-play and "human experience" involved, it's advantage humanity |
| [00:52:25] | wagnerrp: | its less him against the humans, and more him against the complexity of the questions |
| [00:52:36] | sphery: | the nova episode about it was probably more interesting than the actual jeopardy will be |
| [00:52:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: exactly |
| [00:52:49] | kormoc: | "I'll take Alex's clothes for $500 Alex" "This is the color of my shoes." |
| [00:52:56] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:53:16] | kormoc: | Is he doing speech to text or is someone keying it in? |
| [00:53:21] | sphery: | On one of the trials, Watson said, "Chicks dig me for $500" |
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| [00:53:32] | sphery: | sounded very funny coming from a computer |
| [00:53:32] | kormoc: | nice |
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| [00:57:46] | wagnerrp: | he just repeated an answer, i thought they fixed that |
| [00:57:52] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [01:00:43] | sphery: | they only give him the correct answers, not the incorrect ones |
| [01:00:56] | sphery: | not very good for the ADA |
| [01:01:19] | wagnerrp: | they specifically showed the example on NOVA where he answered the same wrong answer as someone else |
| [01:01:34] | wagnerrp: | i figured they would have fixed that |
| [01:01:36] | sphery: | yeah, they didn't fix that since he can't hear |
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| [01:01:56] | sphery: | they fixed it so that he gets a text version of correct answers when it's revealed |
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| [01:02:14] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why they couldnt have tossed in another blade center to handle speech recognition |
| [01:02:33] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [01:02:51] | sphery: | they even talked about how speech recognition is the new frontier on the nova ep |
| [01:08:31] | Unhelpful: | presumably to focus on the "less solved" problems of language and data organization/retrieval (yes yes, decades of databases, but still unsolved with respect to general knowledge) |
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| [01:15:53] | ** Beirdo is an idiot ** | |
| [01:16:18] | Beirdo: | just went to rename some shows in my db... and promptly buggered em |
| [01:16:21] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [01:16:44] | Beirdo: | yet another example of why user access to the db is dangerous |
| [01:16:57] | Unhelpful: | iamlindoro: by "blu-ray support" did you mean this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/High_Definition_Disk_Formats |
| [01:17:09] | iamlindoro: | There's nothing to quote |
| [01:17:18] | Beirdo: | now all my concerts are "HDNET Concert Series" for both title AND subtitle... because I'm having a Monday |
| [01:17:22] | Beirdo: | Way to go. |
| [01:17:34] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that disc details our Blu-ray capabilities-- it's not "Blu-ray support," it's Blu-ray support. |
| [01:17:53] | Unhelpful: | no, supporting a blu-ray disc in the drive is blu-ray support... |
| [01:17:53] | wagnerrp: | "with no menus or bd+" |
| [01:17:54] | iamlindoro: | specifically, we do support direct playback from discs, and we do support playback of Blu-ray folder structures |
| [01:18:00] | iamlindoro: | Unhelpful, which we do |
| [01:18:13] | iamlindoro: | And which that page details |
| [01:18:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, And HDMV menu support is functional as well |
| [01:18:54] | wagnerrp: | oh? must have missed that commit |
| [01:19:04] | Unhelpful: | oh? that seems to be about ripping, but i see the mention of direct disc playback for bluray |
| [01:19:05] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Hundreds of commits-- many by me |
| [01:19:15] | iamlindoro: | Unhelpful, you need to read more carefully, then |
| [01:19:37] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/High_Definition_Di . . . commended.29 |
| [01:19:45] | iamlindoro: | "With TrueHD/MLP, DTS-HD MA, and E-AC-3 support in ffmpeg, Myth has gained full out-of-the-box support of playback for these files as of version 0.22. As of MythTV .24, the internal player is capable of playing Blu-ray disc structures both directly from the disc and from the folder structure on a hard drive." |
| [01:20:11] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Every time I referred to "HDMV navigation mode" in a commit, that was in reference to menu driven playback |
| [01:20:37] | iamlindoro: | Then mark did the work to get the OSD/rendering portion working several months ago |
| [01:21:09] | wagnerrp: | heh, ok... must not be following commits as closely as i should be |
| [01:21:10] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:21:36] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Confusingly, BD as a standard contains two menu implementations-- HDMV and BD-J |
| [01:22:04] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, HDMV menus and naviation now work in master. The BD-J code is sitting mostly unmaintained and needs someone from libbluray to finish that work |
| [01:22:45] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, But it will all be through the same API so when libbluray adds BD-J menu support, it'll work automatically in myth-- I have an patch sitting waiting to add BD-J support to myth when relevant |
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| [01:28:13] | Unhelpful: | iamlindoro: it's just forced off now because the implementation isn't usable yet? |
| [01:28:31] | iamlindoro: | Unhelpful, what is forced off? |
| [01:30:08] | iamlindoro: | Both Blu-ray support in general as well as Blu-ray menu support are perfectly usable |
| [01:30:58] | iamlindoro: | in .24, Blu-ray folder structure support works out of the box and from the disc playback works from the command line. In current master you can launch a disc directly from the UI and HDMV menus work by default with the proper environment variables set |
| [01:31:07] | iamlindoro: | So it's both usable, and enabled. |
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| [01:32:13] | Unhelpful: | iamlindoro: i meant support for whatever BD-J code is currently in libbluray, sorry i was unclear. |
| [01:33:00] | iamlindoro: | BD-J menu support doesn't exist yet. When that support is written, it occurs independently of our implementation, so it will "just work" with myth when someone from libbluray adds it |
| [01:33:50] | iamlindoro: | HDMV and BD-J hook into the same higher level API, which we have implemented and working. As the library project we use adds new functionality, we now gain it "for free" |
| [01:34:35] | iamlindoro: | HDMV menus, however, work right now, today, straight from the disc (which obviously presumes that the decryption libraries can handle your discs, which is independent of myth) |
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| [01:35:14] | iamlindoro: | and when there's not an HDMV menu, we have our own title switching mode that allows you to still play those unsupported discs using the myth UI to navigate instead of the BD menu |
| [01:35:23] | iamlindoro: | which we smoothly fall back to |
| [01:36:09] | Unhelpful: | nice. HDMV is is still annoying design-whatever-GUI-you-want stuff, or a hiercarchical listing of contents? |
| [01:37:00] | iamlindoro: | HDMV is very similar to DVD style menus in form and function, but slightly more capable (it will do animation, sound effects, basic interactive content, etc) |
| [01:37:17] | iamlindoro: | BD-J is closer to full-fledged applications being run |
| [01:37:48] | iamlindoro: | and by closer, I mean that's exactly what it is |
| [01:38:32] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, so is bd+ |
| [01:38:59] | iamlindoro: | well, BD+ is a VM, but it's not exactly an arbitrary app |
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| [01:39:15] | Unhelpful: | ah, ok, so they still haven't put in a reasonable "machine-and-human-readable explanation of the contents" in this version. :/ |
| [01:39:17] | iamlindoro: | it can in a certain respect *become* an arbitrary app because it can interact with the BD-J VM |
| [01:39:56] | iamlindoro: | Most people don't *want* a file structure/playlist-- they want fancy visuals and extras... but if one were so inclined, they could author a disc to be just that |
| [01:39:59] | Unhelpful: | one wonders how the blind even play the things, and clearly they were intended to because some have descriptive audio tracks. :P |
| [01:40:40] | Unhelpful: | iamlindoro: oh, i want the extras, but i want sane organization. ;) |
| [01:40:43] | iamlindoro: | You could author a BD-J *or* HDMV menu to have a custom "reader" menu when the player was set up to play sight-impaired content |
| [01:41:20] | iamlindoro: | as you could just have the button enabled action include the playing of a sound effect in the player language that read the text and gave instructions on what other options were available |
| [01:41:56] | iamlindoro: | BD really does allow for quite a lot of nice authoring options, there's nothing preventing what you're looking for aside from the whims of the buying public |
| [01:41:59] | Unhelpful: | that sounds sane. makes me think nobody's done it. ;) |
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| [01:46:52] | Unhelpful: | so, afaict myth is *well* ahead of xine and mplayer, then ;) |
| [01:51:05] | iamlindoro: | there's a xine patch that adds much of the functionality we have, but we're the only ones to have it all out of the box, and mplayer is well behind |
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| [01:51:51] | Beirdo^2: | Now that was fun. |
| [01:52:00] | Unhelpful: | presumably mplayer will languish for *years* with support for playing titles and chapters specified on the command line, while developers say nobody wants menu support. |
| [01:53:18] | Beirdo^2: | 1lights and network went out at work |
| [01:55:02] | Beirdo^2: | Which I take as a sign that it is time to go home |
| [01:55:43] | Unhelpful: | nice. at my work they come back on in a few minutes, but all the equipment is fubar because it got power-cycled. |
| [01:56:41] | Beirdo^2: | My computer stayed on. But not the network. Hehe. So stupid |
| [01:58:49] | sphery: | heh, most work computers aren't too useful without the network |
| [01:58:56] | Beirdo^2: | So I'll finish my DB fixing when I get home |
| [01:59:46] | Beirdo^2: | Yeah. Dunno what they were thinking with that design |
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| [02:00:12] | sphery: | Unhelpful: heh, I never got why they didn't do dvd menu support |
| [02:00:26] | Beirdo^2: | All the operations group computers stayed on. But a fat lot of good that was |
| [02:00:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehe... At my work I've got a ups on the network and phone equipment – so everything will stay on for about 20–30 minutes in a power outage... |
| [02:00:35] | sphery: | on the bright side, though, it wasn't an issue for me since I'm not allowed to play dvd's with mplayer |
| [02:00:38] | Unhelpful: | sphery: don't they sort of have a terrible implementation of it for a while now? |
| [02:01:00] | sphery: | that sounds right... but it was a /long/ time they were without it |
| [02:01:02] | Unhelpful: | and the devs seem to just hate the *idea* of menus. you can tell it which title to play, so it's done. |
| [02:01:11] | Beirdo^2: | Our avaya phone system went down too |
| [02:01:47] | Unhelpful: | Beirdo^2: oh, we have *no* UPS of any kind except for the delayed-start backup power for the building. it's *so stupid*. |
| [02:01:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo^2: Ha! We have the same system at my work – and I administer it. ;-) |
| [02:02:14] | Beirdo^2: | Sucker. Hehe |
| [02:02:21] | Unhelpful: | the printers, industrial printers with power cables as thick as my arm, take about 10–20min to start up |
| [02:03:31] | Beirdo^2: | I just know I'm gonna get a call tonight |
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| [02:04:49] | sphery: | Beirdo^2: from destiny? |
| [02:05:04] | ** sphery can't wait for the film ** | |
| [02:05:29] | wagnerrp: | youve got to be careful about destiny |
| [02:05:29] | elmojo: | sphery: did you have any thoughts on people trying the v4l-dvb backports repo? |
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| [02:05:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ever play knights of the old republic? |
| [02:06:25] | sphery: | elmojo: seems to make sense to me... but may be a tall order for some users who just want to use packaged mythtv |
| [02:06:50] | sphery: | if we can find some who are willing to try, though, it may help determine where the problems are |
| [02:06:51] | Beirdo^2: | Hehe. From work silly boy.. heh |
| [02:07:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, never played it |
| [02:07:10] | elmojo: | we could let iamlindoro be a guinea pig since he is running 10.10 and seeing the issues too |
| [02:07:30] | sphery: | heh, if he has the time, that might work |
| [02:07:54] | wagnerrp: | you had several followers, and you could work through long dialogs and get backstory from them to get special abilities |
| [02:08:12] | wagnerrp: | one of them told a story about someone who knew he had a great destiny and was going to save people |
| [02:08:19] | elmojo: | sphery: has Devin gave his opinion on the matter yet? |
| [02:08:38] | elmojo: | I'm not following linuxtv very closely so I don't even know if the devs are working on a solution |
| [02:08:45] | sphery: | elmojo: I don't think so. Up until today, it's been mostly an un-said theory among a couple of us. |
| [02:08:48] | wagnerrp: | turns out he saved everyone by falling into a reactor core, destroying the ship, and allowing everyone else to escape when they were captured |
| [02:09:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, so not all calls from destiny would lead to good movies :) |
| [02:09:49] | wagnerrp: | once you got through that sequence, you had a number of response options |
| [02:09:54] | wagnerrp: | including 'i hate you old man' |
| [02:10:12] | elmojo: | sphery: I'm running the v4l-dvb backports on 10.04 with no issue – so if people try the backports with 10.10 and the problem persists then if might mean that it's more of a general kernel problem and not so much a driver code issue |
| [02:10:56] | sphery: | Beirdo^2: I think, however, it's important that you stay away from Columbia Generating Station, just in case. |
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| [02:11:08] | Beirdo^2: | Hehe |
| [02:11:35] | sphery: | elmojo: backports is Hg stuff backported to work with the 10.04 kernel? |
| [02:11:56] | sphery: | do they have packages for that? |
| [02:12:08] | sphery: | if so, it may be a quick, "easy" fix for people |
| [02:12:26] | sphery: | (if it worked on the iPhone, I'm sure I could say, "There's an app for that.") |
| [02:13:30] | tgm4883: | sphery, RE: the hdpvr 0-byte thread, i've updated it and asked for anyone on any distro that has the issue to post their info. Sure it's on a *buntu centric forum, but there isn't really a central place for this type of information gathering |
| [02:14:33] | sphery: | tgm4883: cool, thanks... did you mention even non-HDPVR, too? |
| [02:14:53] | sphery: | some are saying it's more widespread--but that may be other/unrelated issues... not enough data, yet, to know for sure |
| [02:15:05] | tgm4883: | sphery, ah, I did not, but I'll add that as well |
| [02:15:27] | sphery: | cool.. |
| [02:15:46] | sphery: | again, though, I can't believe the compelte lack of responses there, in spite of all the me-toos on the users list |
| [02:16:02] | tgm4883: | well, it's still early |
| [02:16:09] | tgm4883: | i just posted it 4 hours ago |
| [02:16:10] | sphery: | guess it's too much work to copy/paste: uname -a (and its output) |
| [02:16:17] | tgm4883: | and it's only 6PM PST |
| [02:16:26] | iamlindoro: | It might be worth asking for dmesg output for at/around the time of occurence |
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| [02:16:32] | sphery: | hope there are a lot of posts |
| [02:16:45] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, yep, I can do that too |
| [02:16:45] | sphery: | at least someone mentioned it in the -users thread, too |
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| [02:16:55] | iamlindoro: | for example, one of my tuners no re-uploads the firmware every single time there's an attempt to access it as of 10.10 |
| [02:17:00] | iamlindoro: | er now re-uploads |
| [02:17:06] | sphery: | so it's at least gotten some on-mythtv-users advertising |
| [02:17:06] | iamlindoro: | and produces a 0B file |
| [02:17:23] | sphery: | might be worth sending a message in a whole new thread on -users list so others see it |
| [02:17:26] | iamlindoro: | so dmesg at time of occurrence includes: |
| [02:17:27] | iamlindoro: | [1993974.911731] xc5000: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-xc5000–1.6.114.fw)... |
| [02:17:28] | iamlindoro: | [1993974.954126] xc5000: firmware read 12401 bytes. |
| [02:17:28] | iamlindoro: | [1993974.954128] xc5000: firmware uploading... |
| [02:17:28] | iamlindoro: | [1993981.623759] xc5000: firmware upload complete... |
| [02:17:32] | iamlindoro: | every... time. |
| [02:17:38] | sphery: | (since we were pretty deep in that thread when it was mentioned) |
| [02:17:53] | iamlindoro: | xc5000 also a pretty common driver so there might be others seeing same |
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| [02:18:27] | sphery: | and, wow, now I know tgm4883's real name... :) |
| [02:18:37] | tgm4883: | sphery, now you can stalk me |
| [02:18:47] | sphery: | btw, thanks a ton for taking the lead on this info gathering |
| [02:18:58] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: you mind trying the Hg backport drivers? |
| [02:19:09] | sphery: | it would be wonderful to find the problem so we can fix it (whereever it may be) |
| [02:19:35] | sphery: | I also like your sig on the forum... "Please don't threaten to go back to Windows. It does not increase your chances of receiving help and we will help you either way." |
| [02:19:37] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, I can (and will) try but heavy recording duty for a couple of days |
| [02:19:49] | sphery: | that's always an annoyingly-useless threat |
| [02:19:55] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Is that a repo, or do you just want me to compile and install hg? |
| [02:20:01] | iamlindoro: | either way is fine |
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| [02:20:15] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: you gotta clone it, compile and install |
| [02:20:21] | sphery: | :( |
| [02:20:32] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, okay, that's fine, have done so many times |
| [02:20:32] | sphery: | there should be a MSDS for that |
| [02:20:35] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea, my sig was a bit more harsh than that, but apparently being a sub-forum mod means it was a little too harsh |
| [02:20:43] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:20:51] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Something about your terminology threw me off and made me wonder if you were referring to some package archive |
| [02:20:56] | sphery: | I'm sure I agreed with the harsher one, too :) |
| [02:21:04] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/ |
| [02:21:08] | kisak: | I've had a handful of random zero byte captures for no clear reason |
| [02:21:12] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Yeah, I know :) |
| [02:21:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I'm sure I didn't help--I thought he meant package, so I started talking packages |
| [02:21:36] | kisak: | but a hdpvr isn't in play here |
| [02:21:44] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: and make sure you run 'make CONFIG_DVB_FIREDTV:=n' |
| [02:21:51] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, hahaha, I *KNOW* |
| [02:22:10] | elmojo: | you *KNOW* everything |
| [02:22:14] | iamlindoro: | I have compiled the v4l repos many many times :) |
| [02:22:21] | iamlindoro: | Not everything, just this one thing ;) |
| [02:22:44] | sphery: | kisak: what distro/version? |
| [02:22:48] | elmojo: | sorry for trying to help |
| [02:23:11] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, oh jeez, relax, I appreciate the attempt to help, just letting you know that I should be ok |
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| [02:24:51] | iamlindoro: | well that seemed excessive |
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| [02:25:54] | sphery: | seems we need to come up with an RFC for EOIP |
| [02:26:09] | sphery: | (emotions over ip--so people know which is a joke and which isn't) |
| [02:26:29] | Unhelpful: | sphery: easy, ";)" indicates joke content. ;) |
| [02:26:34] | kisak: | sphery: gentoo/mythtv 0.24-fixes |
| [02:26:39] | Unhelpful: | problem solved! ;) |
| [02:27:03] | kisak: | sphery: from 2-11–2011 |
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| [02:27:50] | sphery: | kisak: hmmm... could be related... Would probably be useful for you to post some info there, if you can tell your specific kernel, V4L/DVB and driver versions |
| [02:27:53] | sphery: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1687846 |
| [02:28:14] | sphery: | we're trying to track down commonalities |
| [02:29:25] | kisak: | sphery: to me it seems like a race condition when tuning multiple tuners at the same time |
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| [02:30:17] | sphery: | kisak: btw, which tuners? |
| [02:31:14] | kisak: | sphery: there is 2 firewire to a pair of QIP 7100 2, a PVR150 for aux capture, and a HDHR |
| [02:32:04] | sphery: | is it only the firewire that fails? |
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| [02:32:16] | sphery: | have you ever had a 0-byte from the 150 or hrhr? |
| [02:32:30] | kisak: | no, I was asking about a the last failure which I caught with the HDHR |
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| [02:33:06] | sphery: | ah, ok, hdhr is definitely good info--since that's one that tunes without an external channel change script |
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| [02:33:53] | kisak: | sphery: here is the log snippet: http://pastie.org/1554856 |
| [02:34:35] | kisak: | sphery: note the missing 'TVRec(7): rec->GetPathname(): '/mnt/recordings3/6629_20110211210000.mpg' |
| [02:34:47] | kisak: | meh, let me try that again |
| [02:35:10] | kisak: | sphery: note the missing "TVRec(4): rec->GetPathname(): '/mnt/recordings#/6624_20110211210000.mpg'" |
| [02:35:18] | sphery: | woah, you missed Supernatural? |
| [02:35:22] | sphery: | this /is/ a problem |
| [02:35:48] | kisak: | the silly clipboard grabbed the carrage return |
| [02:36:11] | kisak: | CSI:NY was missed |
| [02:36:17] | sphery: | heh, looked fine on my screen--something must have stripped the line feed |
| [02:36:36] | sphery: | ah, much better--I'd rather miss CSI:NY than Supernatural, any day |
| [02:36:42] | sphery: | (and I do like CSI:NY) |
| [02:37:14] | sphery: | interesting... never got an "Updating status" |
| [02:38:14] | elmojo: | sphery: I wonder if #9177 could be related to these tuner failures |
| [02:38:31] | sphery: | elmojo: wonder if http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/472073#472073 might be related? |
| [02:39:39] | sphery: | elmojo: hmmm. could be... user says it's fixed in current -fixes |
| [02:39:58] | elmojo: | sphery: that's the wrong user :) |
| [02:40:04] | sphery: | though if kisak has mythtv from 2-11–2011, he should have the important fixes |
| [02:40:17] | elmojo: | one of the "me too" users is reporting it's fixed |
| [02:40:22] | sphery: | ok, "a user" says :) |
| [02:40:50] | elmojo: | the original reporter has a different issue altogether where the backend never sends any data |
| [02:41:00] | tgm4883: | sphery, ok, i'm thinking this will cover everything, let me know if you want me to request anything else http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10459420 |
| [02:41:08] | elmojo: | sounds almost like a 0-byte recording failure |
| [02:41:10] | sphery: | elmojo: but the file is created on disk? |
| [02:41:34] | sphery: | tgm4883: excellent! |
| [02:41:36] | elmojo: | I'm not sure – the logs might indicate this but I'm not sure |
| [02:41:45] | elmojo: | the backend code isn't my specialty |
| [02:42:56] | kisak: | sphery: I'll be updating my HDHR firmware from 20100213 to 20100828 tonight, but I don't expect a noticable difference |
| [02:43:25] | elmojo: | kisak: you could also trying installing the v4l-dvb backport drivers |
| [02:43:50] | sphery: | elmojo: weird... 2010-11–03 15:12:36.927 LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend. \n2010-11–03 15:12:36.935 recording already exists... |
| [02:43:56] | kisak: | elmojo: backport drivers? |
| [02:44:14] | kisak: | backport from what? |
| [02:44:33] | sphery: | kisak: http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/ |
| [02:44:59] | elmojo: | the Hg repo specifically on that link |
| [02:45:02] | sphery: | but if there's an ebuild for your kernel to get the most-current vl4 code, use that |
| [02:45:12] | sphery: | I know nothing of Gentoo |
| [02:45:19] | elmojo: | it's easy to build stand alone |
| [02:46:11] | sphery: | ah, was just thinking that if there's an ebuild that handles details, it's less dangerous |
| [02:46:14] | elmojo: | clone it, 'make CONFIG_DVB_FIREDTV:=n', make install and then reboot |
| [02:46:27] | sphery: | cool, doesn't sound too bad |
| [02:47:09] | elmojo: | from what I can tell not everything gets backported and the driver differs quite a lot from the later kernels |
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| [02:47:43] | elmojo: | I could be very wrong, but the HD-PVR doesn't look like it's got a lot of the newer changes |
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| [02:48:51] | kisak: | well, I'm not going to reboot my server on a whim, so it'll need to wait until something major takes down the server for me to tack that on to the queue |
| [02:49:25] | elmojo: | kisak: you can reload the module and it should work fine |
| [02:49:40] | elmojo: | I think the Makefile has a module reload option too |
| [02:50:22] | elmojo: | I usually just tell people to reboot since most people know how to do it – obviously iamlindoro would know how to do this |
| [02:50:42] | knightr: | elmojo, AFAIK the mercurial repo is no longer maintained, you must use the media.build git repo now I believe... |
| [02:51:08] | elmojo: | knightr: yes, that's why we want to try it – it's old :) |
| [02:51:30] | knightr: | elmojo, ah ok, you're doing it on purpose... sorry... :( |
| [02:52:27] | elmojo: | knightr: thanks for the head up though because I have been wanting to check out the latest HD-PVR code and didn't know where to look |
| [02:52:38] | kisak: | elmojo: what do ya know ... dvb-core is a module |
| [02:52:46] | knightr: | np |
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| [02:57:43] | elmojo: | kisak: please report back if it helps or not |
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| [03:01:52] | sphery: | kisak: that log excerpt you posted was showing a CSI: NY failure on your HDHR, right? |
| [03:02:13] | kisak: | elmojo: looks like all the important bits are modules ... seems like I predicted this might happen since I'm usually against modules |
| [03:02:37] | kisak: | sphery: yes, and the same tuner got the show moments later via livetv |
| [03:02:41] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:02:47] | sphery: | thx |
| [03:03:26] | kisak: | I cancelled the capture since it was a dud to free the tuner and fired it up in livetv |
| [03:06:20] | sphery: | kisak: btw, how did you define your HDHR tuners? Did you specify IP addresses or do the auto-detect thing? |
| [03:06:40] | sphery: | there's a known problem where specifying IP address causes failures when the 2nd tuner is in use |
| [03:06:43] | kisak: | sphery: since there's only one, autodetect is used |
| [03:07:50] | sphery: | it's a single-tuner HDHR or you mean one dual-tuner HDHR |
| [03:08:43] | elmojo: | kisak: so you aren't using dvb module but have them compiled in the kernel? |
| [03:09:01] | kisak: | sphery: tuner 4,5, and 6 is tuner 1 on the HDHR, tuner 7 and 8 is tuner 2 on the HDHR |
| [03:09:34] | kisak: | sphery: yes, it's a dual tuner model |
| [03:11:25] | sphery: | cool |
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| [03:13:45] | Darksynz: | can someone help with mythtv backend for windows |
| [03:14:29] | Darksynz: | ive installed the prebuilt windows installation and get connot connect and no upnd. |
| [03:14:34] | Darksynz: | what should i be editing |
| [03:14:58] | kisak: | to be honest, your OS |
| [03:15:18] | wagnerrp: | Darksynz: there is no mythtv backend for windows |
| [03:15:27] | Darksynz: | yes yes, |
| [03:15:32] | wagnerrp: | frontend only |
| [03:15:39] | Darksynz: | ive tried to use ubuntu for mythtv but its an even larger pain in the but |
| [03:15:44] | Darksynz: | most tv cards dont work |
| [03:15:48] | Darksynz: | especially ati |
| [03:15:52] | Darksynz: | so i went back to windows |
| [03:15:59] | wagnerrp: | thats why we say to buy nvidia |
| [03:16:14] | wagnerrp: | and we dont support tuner cards, we support the v4l and dvb apis |
| [03:16:20] | wagnerrp: | check their site for what cards are supported |
| [03:16:22] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [03:16:22] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [03:16:24] | Darksynz: | i understand, but i dont have time or extra money to go out and just buy invidia |
| [03:16:39] | Darksynz: | ok.. |
| [03:16:41] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up a GT210 for $25 on newegg |
| [03:16:58] | Darksynz: | still.. there is all this extra stuff.. |
| [03:17:02] | Darksynz: | schedules direct etc |
| [03:17:11] | Darksynz: | is there help for windows? thats what i have now |
| [03:17:24] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, we dont have a backend that runs on windows |
| [03:17:25] | Darksynz: | i dont want windows either man, but its what i have beccause stuff just works |
| [03:17:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'll bet you spend more on fast-food a week than an entire year of SD membership, a whole $20. |
| [03:17:54] | kisak: | A GT240 for $35 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261060 |
| [03:17:56] | wagnerrp: | and youre not going to find worthwhile free guide data in north america |
| [03:18:26] | Darksynz: | ?? works just fine in wmc??? |
| [03:18:37] | Darksynz: | my guide, im just trying to support myth |
| [03:18:39] | wagnerrp: | with WMC, the guide data is included in the cost of the program |
| [03:18:44] | Darksynz: | i c |
| [03:18:53] | wagnerrp: | that several hundred you pay for the software covers the licensing fee |
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| [03:20:41] | Darksynz: | ok, since i have windows, ill install wubi and try again. i have a hauppauge 950q that is "suppose to work with ubuntu" but i never got any action out of it |
| [03:21:04] | wagnerrp: | yes, the 950q should be usable in linux for digital broadcasts and digital cable |
| [03:23:30] | Darksynz: | the problem i have with it is.. i have a comcast cable box which supports HD. cAN I run a cable to the box and one from the box to the 950q and get tv? or should it come from the wall straight to the 985q? i think i wont get all of my channels i pay for |
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| [03:24:11] | wagnerrp: | digital cable boxes do not output modulated digital video |
| [03:24:31] | sphery: | so straight from wall (or splitter) to 950q |
| [03:24:32] | wagnerrp: | you can either connect the 950q to the cable line directly, and get whatever you can unencrypted |
| [03:24:40] | sphery: | you'll get the unencrypted "clear" QAM |
| [03:24:46] | wagnerrp: | you can use firewire capture off the cable box, and get whatever is marked 'copy freely' |
| [03:25:17] | wagnerrp: | or you can get an analog capture device, like an old PVR-150, new HVR-1600, or something USB like HVR-1950 or HDPVR |
| [03:25:24] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [03:26:20] | sphery: | and, mostly, the only unencrypted cable tv channels you're likely to get are the local (broadcast) channels |
| [03:27:05] | Darksynz: | so like stated earlier, i should just invest in that tv tuner off newegg? |
| [03:27:24] | Darksynz: | i would need to purchase a firewire cable |
| [03:27:28] | wagnerrp: | the 985q? |
| [03:28:04] | wagnerrp: | a firewire cable is a couple bucks |
| [03:28:16] | Darksynz: | well, if i can only pick up local stations on linux with the 950q, that doesnt cut it.. i pay to much for cable for that lol |
| [03:28:21] | wagnerrp: | and if your cable box does not support firewire, comcast is required to provide one at no additional cost |
| [03:28:34] | wagnerrp: | (assuming you have HD cable) |
| [03:28:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: on the -users list, someone said that's no longer true |
| [03:28:58] | Darksynz: | i do have hd cable. watch hd all the time. this cable box is a dvr as well |
| [03:29:07] | sphery: | in the mce thread |
| [03:29:23] | Darksynz: | i just want the easiest way to use linux and get all my channels.. |
| [03:29:31] | wagnerrp: | anything that is not unencrypted (and thus cannot be received by that digital tuner), must either be done over firewire or analog capture from the cable box |
| [03:29:31] | Darksynz: | i have no use to windows, i hate it |
| [03:29:43] | wagnerrp: | for analog capture, that means something that does MPEG encoding |
| [03:30:08] | wagnerrp: | PVR-150, PVR-500, PVR-USB2, HVR-1600, HVR-1950, HVR-2250, HDPVR |
| [03:30:25] | wagnerrp: | anything other than those cards is going to be a framegrabber, and not something you want to use for analog recording |
| [03:30:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | So for HD capture, HD-PVR |
| [03:31:02] | Darksynz: | wow. if you only knew how many tv tuners ive purchased to make this work.. |
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| [03:31:30] | Darksynz: | i have ati 500 550 650, some lame phillips tuners, 950q etc |
| [03:31:58] | wagnerrp: | phillips makes the actual hardware tuner chip, they dont make full cards |
| [03:32:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/471555#471555 |
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| [03:32:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darksynz: Why didn't you read up on what works with Myth first? |
| [03:32:11] | stevieman: | is there a really good way of accessing content on CBS, NBC etc in mythtv in a style similar to Huludesktop? |
| [03:32:27] | [R]: | stevieman: mythnetvision |
| [03:32:29] | sphery: | haven't read the actuall fcc docs (nor would I be able to understand the legaleze), but... |
| [03:32:32] | wagnerrp: | stevieman: hulu, through mythnetvision |
| [03:32:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i didnt think that mandate had taken effect yet |
| [03:32:58] | Darksynz: | jeff.. because im hardheaded i guess. actually most of those tuner cards i got in a bundle that i purchased off craigslist |
| [03:32:59] | Darksynz: | lol |
| [03:33:03] | stevieman: | I have not heard of this mythnetvision you speak of, Quick to the Google! :) |
| [03:33:07] | Darksynz: | so i was determined to make them work |
| [03:33:09] | wagnerrp: | well anyway, hopefully the need for firewire will be deprecated by the hdhomerun prime |
| [03:33:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | .. re: hulu – assuming they are not locked down to 'windows' with silverlight or something stupid like that, like lots of hulu content is now... |
| [03:33:26] | wagnerrp: | Darksynz: there are only a few tuners mythtv supports directly |
| [03:33:30] | Darksynz: | ill go to bartells and see if they have afirewire cable |
| [03:33:30] | wagnerrp: | everything else... |
| [03:33:32] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [03:33:32] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [03:33:57] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: not flash? when did that happen? |
| [03:34:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: could well be... they said the Dec 1 2012 is the timeline for the "next" interface, but it does sound like they're saying that the firewire is not required in the interim |
| [03:34:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darksynz: If you want to capture HD, and get EVERY channel you sub to, you need a HD-PVR... It captures HD via the Analog HD outputs. |
| [03:34:48] | sphery: | i.e. "suck it up citizens, the cable co can abuse their monopoly for 2 years" |
| [03:34:51] | stevieman: | J-e-f-f-A: I've only run across Flash stuff on Hulu. Hulu Desktop is all flash. Netflix on the other hand of Silverlight |
| [03:35:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Half the videos I tried to view from Hulu in mythnetvision would not play anything but the advertisement... |
| [03:35:37] | Darksynz: | jeff, thank you. ill make a trip to bestbuy. how much do those cost? |
| [03:35:41] | stevieman: | J-e-f-f-A: Were they Hulu Plus shows, they are poorly marked |
| [03:35:42] | Darksynz: | hd-pvr |
| [03:35:52] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: I can't get YouTube on it... I get a gray box with a light-colored horizontal line taking up the center 2/3 of the box |
| [03:35:54] | wagnerrp: | like $200 |
| [03:35:56] | Darksynz: | you have a model code/number for me? |
| [03:35:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darksynz: About $199 – a bit pricey, but worth every $$$ |
| [03:36:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | 1212 |
| [03:36:21] | sphery: | I have also seen Phonon errors in my log files, but haven't verified they're from the YouTube (and not from actual working Flash sites) |
| [03:36:29] | Darksynz: | hrm, bestbuy doesnt have that for sure here. where online can i purchase? |
| [03:36:43] | Darksynz: | newegg? |
| [03:36:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darksynz: They do carry it – I was in a BB yesterday out here, and they had one on the shelf. |
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| [03:37:05] | Darksynz: | ok. |
| [03:37:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Maybe they're just out at your store? ;-) |
| [03:37:10] | sphery: | Darksynz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR , fwiw |
| [03:37:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darksynz: Check online. ;-) |
| [03:37:15] | Darksynz: | thanks jeff |
| [03:37:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darksynz: I have two, with two FiOS HD boxes... And many, many folks here have them too. ;-) |
| [03:40:08] | gregL: | Would anyone know where the database backup and restore scripts have gone? The link on the wiki is returning a 404... |
| [03:40:30] | [R]: | its part of the tarball... |
| [03:40:50] | gregL: | Humm can't seem to find it.. |
| [03:41:10] | [R]: | mythconverg_backup.pl |
| [03:41:15] | [R]: | mythconverg_restore.pl |
| [03:41:34] | Darksynz: | Hauppauge – TV HD Stick USB 2.0 TV Tuner with PVR |
| [03:41:42] | Darksynz: | thats what my best buy has |
| [03:41:43] | gregL: | Yeah, but a find or locate returns nothing.. |
| [03:41:51] | Darksynz: | and im in seattle, lame selection no? |
| [03:42:53] | Darksynz: | jeff, tell me about this firewire again please in the meantime. if i had a firewire cable.. what channels would i get again? |
| [03:42:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darksynz: That sounds like the 950Q – not the 1212. Check out the link sphery posted... Looks like you'll have to order it online. Maybe even from 'bestbuy.com' if they have a free 'ship to store' option... |
| [03:43:07] | wagnerrp: | Darksynz: anything marked 'copy freely' |
| [03:43:16] | wagnerrp: | digital cable has three copy protection levels |
| [03:43:23] | wagnerrp: | copy freely, copy once, and copy never |
| [03:43:44] | wagnerrp: | copy freely content can be passed unencrypted to any device |
| [03:43:46] | [R]: | gregL: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . pts/database |
| [03:43:57] | wagnerrp: | copy once and copy never content can only be passed to authorized devices |
| [03:44:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Which could be *everything* you subscribe to, or could be just locals, or could be nothing... depending on your cable company... And even if you get some stuff, they'll probably lock it down once they realize it's 'open'... |
| [03:44:23] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you around? |
| [03:44:36] | wagnerrp: | you ever try firewire capture off comcast in your area? |
| [03:45:06] | Darksynz: | so you are pretty much saying that my cable company and most are tyrants |
| [03:45:23] | wagnerrp: | yep |
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| [03:45:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Darksynz: but of course... All of them are. |
| [03:45:35] | wagnerrp: | take the customers for as much as they can get away with |
| [03:45:37] | Beirdo: | OK, db all fixed. |
| [03:45:51] | Beirdo: | now I need to not mess it up again :) |
| [03:46:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you ever give firewire a try? |
| [03:46:16] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [03:46:17] | wagnerrp: | or just go straight to an HDPVR |
| [03:46:21] | Beirdo: | I don't have cable |
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| [03:46:24] | gregL: | [R], Thanks,I looked hi and low and couldn't find them... |
| [03:46:32] | Beirdo: | otherwise I woulda tried it :) |
| [03:46:34] | wagnerrp: | i thought you had an HDPVR though |
| [03:46:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, hooked to a DirecTV receiver |
| [03:46:56] | wagnerrp: | oh... satellite... |
| [03:46:59] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [03:47:02] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [03:49:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | I would have had DishHD, but Dish didn't show me any love until I called to cancel after ordering FiOS... To upgrade my dish service (which I had for 12 years!), they wanted me to pay $30 more a month... when switching to FiOS HD would cost me about $15 LESS... no contest... |
| [03:49:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | *plus* my internet speeds jumped from 15/2 to 35/35 with no additional cost. ;-) |
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| [03:50:04] | Beirdo: | the sat/cable/etc companies are all a bunch of ripoff artists |
| [03:50:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | agreed. |
| [03:50:23] | stevieman: | how do I check my myth version? |
| [03:50:40] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend --version |
| [03:50:40] | stevieman: | Beirdo: You'r not Canadian are you? |
| [03:50:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, and? |
| [03:50:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | If I wasn't so addicted to programs on 'cable/sat' stations I wouldn't even have 'cable' anymore... |
| [03:51:47] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: drop it, and buy dvds |
| [03:51:48] | sphery: | MythTV solved that problem for me |
| [03:52:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, probably. ;-) |
| [03:52:03] | stevieman: | Beirdo: Then you speak the truth |
| [03:52:18] | Beirdo: | I don't see the connection :) |
| [03:52:28] | wagnerrp: | he only trusts canucks |
| [03:52:35] | sphery: | MythTV recorded so much TV for me that I got greater than 1 season behind on watching shows, at which point DVDs are available for them, so I could drop the cable (satellite) and just buy DVDs |
| [03:53:04] | stevieman: | Beirdo: Canadian Sat/Cable companies rank pretty high on the Evil Scale, |
| [03:53:06] | sphery: | still have to watch S5 of Stargate Atlantis |
| [03:53:17] | Beirdo: | and sphery has us to tell him what new DVDs to buy |
| [03:53:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hey... I was in Canada for a week (Toronto), surely you can trust me too... Hehehehe... |
| [03:53:41] | Beirdo: | stevieman: Rogers is... benign compared to Comcast from all I've heard |
| [03:53:42] | sphery: | true--plenty of people have seen the shows before I'm ready to buy them, so they can tell me if it's worth it |
| [03:54:17] | stevieman: | Beirdo: Well the UBB crap was pretty evil |
| [03:54:48] | Beirdo: | I've been out of Canada for nearly 6 years now |
| [03:55:03] | stevieman: | guess I won't be using mythnetvision :( Terrified to update to .24 |
| [03:55:16] | Beirdo: | OK, I can't add.. nearly 5. |
| [03:55:32] | stevieman: | Beirdo: Well if you want to good old Candian outrage readup on UBB. |
| [03:56:14] | Beirdo: | nah, we Canadians are too good at pointless whining |
| [03:56:52] | stevieman: | Beirdo: Well openmedia.ca ran a pretty good campaign |
| [03:58:35] | Beirdo: | take it like a Canadian... grab yer ankles and wait for the USA to screw ya good |
| [03:58:45] | sphery: | stevieman: MythTV 0.24 seems /very/ stable |
| [03:58:55] | sphery: | stevieman: just be careful about upgrading your distro :) |
| [03:59:36] | stevieman: | sphery: Everytime I try to upgrade something goes very wrong..... I just got my wife liking the idea of mythtv, breaking it now would be bad |
| [03:59:50] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [04:00:10] | sphery: | I did a very uneventful upgrade to 0.24-fixes 2 weeks ago |
| [04:00:23] | sphery: | but I didn't change my distro/drivers/... |
| [04:00:31] | stevieman: | perhaps when it's time for a new backend I'll switch to .24, until then I'll have to live with .23 |
| [04:00:46] | tgm4883: | I always say stick on the same distro version for as long as you can (if it works) |
| [04:01:06] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, proven = a lot less stress |
| [04:01:08] | stevieman: | it would be nice to have PBS etc in mythtv though |
| [04:01:25] | tgm4883: | which is why for 10.04 as long as 10.04 is supported (3 years) we are providing all future mythtv versions for it |
| [04:01:46] | sphery: | I have to say that normally I wouldn't ever consider upgrading mythtv during a TV season, but I chose to specifically to get access to the new 0.24-fixes MythNetvision functionality |
| [04:02:12] | stevieman: | what are the nightmare enducing steps I need to follow |
| [04:02:12] | sphery: | I stayed on 0.21-fixes until mid-0.23-fixes timeframe because I refused to upgrade during the season |
| [04:02:29] | sphery: | so I missed all of 0.22 and about half of the life of 0.23-fixes |
| [04:03:02] | Beirdo: | wuss :) |
| [04:03:07] | sphery: | heh |
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| [04:03:17] | sphery: | hey, the SAF is important |
| [04:03:21] | sphery: | (self-approval factor) |
| [04:04:05] | sphery: | I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me! |
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| [04:05:41] | Beirdo: | I find breakage in my myth system to be very... inspirational |
| [04:06:25] | wagnerrp: | most people find it an inspiration... to complain :) |
| [04:06:52] | Beirdo: | hehe. it inspires me to squash bugs under my booots |
| [04:06:54] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:11:27] | stevieman: | oh, before I head to sleep, is there a way to watch avi's etc of a DVD? Right now I copy the file to the HD and then scan for changes. I would love to put in the DVD and watch the show right from the disc |
| [04:12:02] | wagnerrp: | you can define a local directory in mythvideo, and use browse mode |
| [04:12:21] | wagnerrp: | use an automounted daemon that mounts the disk automatically when you put it in the drive |
| [04:13:34] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: well it auto mounts discs right now... so I should be able to browse to the dvd drive? |
| [04:13:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [04:14:10] | wagnerrp: | note that browse mode will result in a lot of other undesirable behavior |
| [04:14:19] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: ok, well I'll worry about that later, I have to feed the cat. |
| [04:14:30] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: such as? |
| [04:14:59] | wagnerrp: | much longer loading times, since it has to re-process the entire file system |
| [04:15:30] | wagnerrp: | different display, it will no longer merge multiple directories, and you cant use the alternate metadata sort modes |
| [04:15:41] | wagnerrp: | poor handling of metadata and artwork |
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| [04:16:34] | nutron: | Ohai! |
| [04:17:28] | nutron: | Under the wiki, when a page says it's in a category, but then you click the category, the page you came from .. isn't inside the category list.. uhh, that's lame. Is that an automated function of mediawiki, or does one have to actually edit the category page? |
| [04:17:56] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: I'll think I'll just stick with the copy, paste, scan and view method right now |
| [04:18:05] | stevieman: | well see you all later |
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| [05:08:55] | sphery: | nutron: what page? likely just needs a cache purche |
| [05:08:58] | sphery: | er, purge |
| [05:09:14] | sphery: | yes, embarrassingly, English /is/ my first language |
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| [05:18:23] | nutron: | sphery: heh it updated magically :/ |
| [05:18:31] | nutron: | I swear I wasn't smoking anything. |
| [05:18:47] | sphery: | heh, it was likely the page cache |
| [05:18:54] | sphery: | did you just log in? |
| [05:18:58] | nutron: | Well it seems that my hung card symptoms are back, just took a lot longer for it to show up now. |
| [05:18:59] | sphery: | if so, that's likely the magic |
| [05:19:01] | wagnerrp: | beat me to it |
| [05:19:02] | nutron: | Yeah. |
| [05:19:13] | sphery: | since there's a separate logged-in/not-logged-in cache |
| [05:19:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the page cache is disabled when you log on |
| [05:19:15] | sphery: | what page? |
| [05:19:21] | sphery: | ah, that's what it is |
| [05:19:31] | nutron: | I think I'll write my sob story on the ivtv list. :/ I don't know who to blame, the driver, myth, the cards or the mobo. |
| [05:19:34] | wagnerrp: | i assume |
| [05:19:36] | ** sphery /really/ wants to purge the cache ** | |
| [05:19:39] | nutron: | Oh. |
| [05:19:44] | nutron: | That's hoober lame. |
| [05:19:52] | ** wagnerrp would rather purche it ** | |
| [05:19:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:20:07] | sphery: | ?action=purche |
| [05:20:10] | sphery: | heh, didn't fix it |
| [05:20:13] | nutron: | Just got my das keyboard. Now I'm looking at getting a unisys kb. And call it done forever. |
| [05:20:25] | nutron: | purchuss! |
| [05:20:42] | nutron: | It's sweet, y'all need to experience the mechanical sexy. |
| [05:20:43] | sphery: | anyone have any dentist's pliers? |
| [05:20:53] | sphery: | starting to think we may have to pull teeth to find out whichpage |
| [05:20:58] | nutron: | Whatever for? |
| [05:21:05] | nutron: | sphery: oh hah the category page? |
| [05:21:09] | nutron: | Release Notes |
| [05:21:09] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:21:11] | sphery: | thx |
| [05:21:16] | ** nutron apologises ** | |
| [05:21:20] | sphery: | :) |
| [05:21:25] | ** nutron felt like shootin' the crap ** | |
| [05:21:30] | sphery: | wow, yeah |
| [05:21:35] | sphery: | nothing since 0.22 |
| [05:21:39] | nutron: | aye |
| [05:21:49] | sphery: | ah, now goes to 0.25 |
| [05:21:56] | sphery: | thanks |
| [05:22:09] | sphery: | and I won't tell anyone you were on that page... I'm sure you just go there for the articles |
| [05:22:11] | nutron: | np. I thought I'd lost it. |
| [05:22:34] | nutron: | Hah, just wanted to see the category since 24.1 was mentioned.. then disappeared |
| [05:23:43] | sphery: | so, fox is airing reruns of Simpsons episodes that occurred back when we were using tv_grab_na, that scraped the zap2it website (before DataDirect and Schedules Direct) |
| [05:24:05] | sphery: | and my system is re-recording them since the guide data sucked back then (and didn't have good program id's, etc.) |
| [05:24:18] | sphery: | and the bad part is I just can't delete them without re-watching them |
| [05:24:35] | nutron: | hah |
| [05:24:46] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [05:25:00] | Beirdo: | sucker. Time to watch Bart then |
| [05:25:18] | nutron: | simpsons.. 20 years of nothing but cerebral humor |
| [05:27:58] | wagnerrp: | nutron: is das keyboard the one with no characters on the buttons? |
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| [05:51:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's the remake of the IBM Model M with same click and feel (and, yes, there's a version with no characters on the keys--the Ultimate) |
| [05:52:46] | sphery: | I'd love one--just don't want to pay for one :) |
| [05:53:18] | wagnerrp: | go to a computer convention |
| [05:53:28] | wagnerrp: | you could probably pick up a grimy M for $20 |
| [05:53:37] | wagnerrp: | a pass through the dish washer and youre golden |
| [05:53:44] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:53:49] | sphery: | you can dishwasher a keyboard? |
| [05:54:02] | sphery: | or just an old model m? |
| [05:54:08] | kisak: | you need a single key? |
| [05:54:16] | kisak: | they sell those on ebay |
| [05:54:19] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, you could pop the keys off, gut the innards |
| [05:54:24] | wagnerrp: | put those in |
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| [05:54:52] | sphery: | kisak: heh, I'd need the package deal with all the keys (and guts :) |
| [05:54:56] | wagnerrp: | its not like there any any complex electronics in there, just make sure its all dried before you power it up |
| [05:55:16] | kisak: | sphery: it's not much more for the whole keyboard |
| [05:55:18] | sphery: | hmmm, might be worth it if I could find one for that price |
| [05:56:01] | kisak: | sphery: what's the exact model |
| [05:56:16] | sphery: | lot of 5 for M's for $42.99, 14h25m bidding left |
| [05:56:39] | sphery: | I just want a nice keyboard rather than the cheap one I have here |
| [05:56:52] | wagnerrp: | make sure they dont have the old AT connectors |
| [05:57:03] | sphery: | I have an AT->PS2 connector |
| [05:57:08] | sphery: | :) |
| [05:57:23] | kisak: | I have a stack of AT keyboards <.< |
| [05:57:41] | sphery: | amazed how many there are on ebay |
| [05:58:05] | kisak: | some you could bludgen someone pretty well with it |
| [05:58:10] | sphery: | a "new in box" 1993 one for $129.95--only $10 more than the das keyboard Model S Ultimate |
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| [05:58:40] | sphery: | yeah, the M's were hefty and well-built |
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| [06:16:12] | wagnerrp: | http://bash.org/?659196 |
| [06:20:05] | bonelifer: | trying to use mythnuv2mkv via a User Job. Using it manually works, but not the user job. It never fires off. |
| [06:23:15] | wagnerrp: | is that user job enabled to run on the backend youre trying to run it on? |
| [06:23:34] | bonelifer: | hm, where do I set that. |
| [06:23:47] | wagnerrp: | same place you defined the user job |
| [06:23:56] | wagnerrp: | maybe on the page after |
| [06:24:07] | bonelifer: | ok, brb, using kvm |
| [06:24:57] | wagnerrp: | kvm? monitor switch or virtualization? |
| [06:26:55] | bonelifer: | hardware |
| [06:27:19] | bonelifer: | Rosewil RKV-2U |
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| [06:30:51] | bonelifer: | using .23.1 so it was 2 pages before |
| [06:31:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont think that stuff has changed in several years |
| [06:31:29] | bonelifer: | thanks. I believe it's working |
| [06:31:37] | wagnerrp: | i was hoping to rewrite it for 0.25, but i doubt i get to it before 0.26 |
| [06:31:48] | wagnerrp: | too much other stuff stands in the way that needs to be resolved first |
| [06:31:52] | bonelifer: | Not sure why I didn't see I've been in there before |
| [06:33:51] | bonelifer: | will be glad when I get this all setup and moved to the TV. |
| [06:36:41] | bonelifer: | wishes I knew why .24 hates me. when I did the channel scan it just added all the possible channels that could be had, instead of the ones that were available. finally decided it wasn't worth it and reinstalled. something like 80 channels of static. :( |
| [06:39:26] | bonelifer: | yes, it's definately working, the CPU usage has shot up to about where I remember the manual run going. nice to have 2.2gb of show turn in 589mb |
| [06:40:15] | wagnerrp: | not sure how youre managing that |
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| [06:41:05] | wagnerrp: | h.264 was only designed to have double the compression efficiency of mpeg2 |
| [06:41:07] | bonelifer: | recording from a PVR-500 at the normal settings and mythnuv2mkv's norming settings with 16:9 |
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| [06:42:02] | wagnerrp: | output from the IVTV stuff tends to be rather noisy, very difficult for a compressor to handle |
| [06:42:17] | wagnerrp: | cutting your bitrate that far is going to cause some very visible losses in quality |
| [06:42:38] | bonelifer: | I've looked at the finished piece and seems alright |
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| [06:43:49] | bonelifer: | Like I said, I haven't changed any quality settings in mythtv or the script |
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| [06:47:46] | wagnerrp: | meh... i appreciate him writing tools for the community, but ive never liked to see large programs written in bourne |
| [06:48:00] | wagnerrp: | and i really dislike seeing people use mysql from bourne script |
| [06:48:30] | nutron: | sorrytely working, the CPU usage has shot up to about where I remember the manual run going. nice to have 2.2gb of show turn in 589mb |
| [06:48:34] | bonelifer: | I'm just glad to have a program that preserves the metadata whether in recordings or if I move it to videos. |
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| [06:49:45] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py ... dumps a recording into mythvideo, with metadata lookup and user definable format string |
| [06:50:23] | bonelifer: | I had tried that earlier, had to get the one from the Ticket, but at the time it didn't work for me, I assume because of the same problem |
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| [06:50:46] | wagnerrp: | looks like mythnuv2mkv will not work with 0.24 or later |
| [06:51:07] | wagnerrp: | because it relies on an output from the metadata grabber scripts that it will no longer receive |
| [06:51:27] | bonelifer: | wishes the wiki had at least linked to the last version of mythvideoexport that worked with .23 |
| [06:51:48] | bonelifer: | I may give it a try now that I know what was wrong |
| [06:52:01] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . videxport.py |
| [06:52:34] | nutron: | sorry i was pricing a keyboard from unicomp... black blank keys to the rescue! |
| [06:52:43] | nutron: | wagnerrp: yes i have the ultimate with blank keys... |
| [06:52:51] | nutron: | it's beautiful.. it's ... very very nice to type on... |
| [06:53:00] | nutron: | I don't think I'll ever go back to cheap crap again... |
| [06:53:06] | wagnerrp: | too loud for my tastes |
| [06:53:24] | wagnerrp: | my logitech elite is loud enough |
| [06:53:51] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i love typing on my circa 2001 IBM laptop |
| [06:54:35] | bonelifer: | I've come to love my Microsoft Wireless Keyboard/Mouse 700 series. |
| [06:54:53] | wagnerrp: | microsoft mice dont fit my hand |
| [06:54:56] | bonelifer: | managed to find them cheaply brand new |
| [06:55:46] | wagnerrp: | had an old microsoft trackball i liked, nice alternative if id been cramping up on a mouse, or needed to recharge the batterie |
| [06:55:47] | wagnerrp: | s |
| [06:55:53] | bonelifer: | this one seems comparible to my Logitech wired optical circa early to mid 2000's |
| [06:56:29] | bonelifer: | though your hands maybe larger than mine, when I was in marching band I had to wear medium gloves |
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| [06:57:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got big hands |
| [06:57:07] | wagnerrp: | and a symmetric mouse? |
| [06:57:47] | bonelifer: | a friend laughs at me, we caller the "Midgit" and while I'm 6 foot tall and she's like 5 foot 5 inches, we have the same size hands. |
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| [06:59:19] | nutron: | wagnerrp: aye, noisy, but great to type on |
| [06:59:53] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt be able to stay up late and work |
| [06:59:58] | nutron: | I'm getting a customizer with black blank keys. So goin' back to 1995 and hopefully never having to catch up to todays crappy standards. |
| [06:59:59] | wagnerrp: | people would come beat me senseless |
| [07:00:03] | nutron: | hah |
| [07:00:04] | bonelifer: | I need to wedge something between the batteries in the mouse and the battery door. which is why I'm using the old wired optical right now. |
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| [07:00:28] | nutron: | This thing _is_ loud, but really not as loud as most may think. Depends on how hard you hit the keys really. |
| [07:00:29] | wagnerrp: | nutron: ive become too attached to my media keys |
| [07:00:43] | wagnerrp: | i would have to get a separate keypad |
| [07:00:55] | wagnerrp: | although honestly, its been something ive considered for some time |
| [07:01:21] | wagnerrp: | and is it less loud than an M? because those are awfully noisy and ive got one at work |
| [07:02:32] | Beirdo: | I want an old IBM keyboard. |
| [07:02:34] | bonelifer: | the ones we had in middle school on the Win 3.11 with Networking were loud for sure |
| [07:02:37] | nutron: | wagnerrp: well |
| [07:02:40] | Beirdo: | loud as crap, but the best ever |
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| [07:03:06] | nutron: | I don't know, the M is noisy .. the das.. is less pingy, more mech sounding, but bottoms out too hard, that's the noisy part |
| [07:03:15] | Beirdo: | and doubles as a good blunt weapon too |
| [07:03:20] | wagnerrp: | actually, what i REALLY want is a monitor that wont grey out when i slouch in my seat |
| [07:03:50] | bonelifer: | I'm just glad to no long have CRT's |
| [07:03:55] | wagnerrp: | friggen TN panels |
| [07:03:57] | nutron: | Beirdo: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html ... that's what I'm gettin' with black blank keys |
| [07:04:29] | bonelifer: | remember in college almost dropping mine moving into the Sophomore dorms going up one flight of stairs. |
| [07:04:50] | Beirdo: | if it isn't a real IBM, it's not as good :) |
| [07:05:18] | nutron: | Beirdo: they bought the rights, it's the same just a little lighter |
| [07:05:18] | Beirdo: | they had the most awesome tactile feedback |
| [07:05:34] | nutron: | same tooling.. and it's based on the model m |
| [07:05:43] | Beirdo: | lighter? aka craptacular? |
| [07:05:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:05:56] | Beirdo: | I'll have to buy one and try it |
| [07:06:00] | nutron: | nah like 50 g lighter i think.. like 2oz |
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| [07:06:21] | nutron: | bb in 2 |
| [07:06:40] | bonelifer: | is it made in China with 80% more lead than the original. |
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| [07:06:45] | bonelifer: | :) |
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| [07:07:13] | Beirdo: | all the better to beat lusers with |
| [07:08:49] | nutron: | just goto http://geekhack.com if you want to find out about m's |
| [07:08:58] | nutron: | hah. |
| [07:09:15] | nutron: | The cleaning crew were tossing things at my balcony window.. |
| [07:09:29] | nutron: | seems the rfid card they have to get into the building somehow... doesn't work |
| [07:09:32] | Beirdo: | they wanna get some? |
| [07:09:46] | nutron: | I haven't had a chick throw things at my window since I was 17 :) |
| [07:10:35] | nutron: | Hmm there's 4 of them, I don't think I'd last. |
| [07:10:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:11:03] | Beirdo: | be a good day to try |
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| [07:14:36] | nutron: | :P |
| [07:14:56] | nutron: | I'm also trying to slowly switch to colemak layout in this transition |
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| [07:15:09] | nutron: | oh woe is me and my "i can do it" attitude |
| [07:16:49] | bonelifer: | meh, no thanks. |
| [07:17:17] | bonelifer: | learned to type on QWERTY on an old electric type writer. |
| [07:17:47] | nutron: | aye, though I still find that I get lost on qwerty sometimes... tried colemak for 2 hours and it felt much.. much calmer |
| [07:17:49] | bonelifer: | strangely my high school typing class had to be the most fun I had in any class I took |
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| [07:21:29] | bonelifer: | why TBS put Conan on at 10pm in my TZ defies logic. It puts it on during the local news. mythtv to the rescue. |
| [07:23:36] | [R]: | who care about the newz |
| [07:24:14] | kormoc: | Conan is the news |
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| [07:24:44] | [R]: | i used to watch the late late with craig ferguson |
| [07:24:46] | bonelifer: | that and the name of the show. Get's me artwork from some Conan movie mad in 2009 |
| [07:24:48] | [R]: | that used to be cool |
| [07:24:58] | bonelifer: | still like Craig |
| [07:25:16] | kormoc: | bonelifer, Yeah... I've noticed the artwork thing |
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| [07:25:47] | bonelifer: | trying to redownload brings up only movie posters for various Conan movies |
| [07:25:52] | bonelifer: | :( |
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| [07:29:23] | kormoc: | all you east coasters get to deal with a solar event in the morning, http://www.astronomyreport.com/research/Solar . . . _Morning.asp |
| [07:30:24] | bonelifer: | I'm so glad it's back up into the mid sixties here. 17 and 19 F in the morning doesn't make me happy |
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| [07:41:26] | sphery: | kormoc: thanks for the warning--do you think a warm blanket will protect me if I stay in bed? |
| [07:41:51] | kormoc: | I'd put on a tinfoil hat at least |
| [07:41:58] | sphery: | good plan |
| [07:50:03] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:50:24] | nutron: | yikes... birth defects ++ :/ |
| [07:58:48] | laga: | Beirdo: how is the bike? |
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| [08:00:20] | Beirdo: | didn't use it today.. pouring rain |
| [08:02:57] | kormoc: | pouring is too soft a word |
| [08:03:07] | kormoc: | gail is more the word I'd use |
| [08:03:26] | laga: | ah, too bad |
| [08:03:47] | laga: | i need to get some water-proof pants.. it sucks to arrive at work drenched in rain |
| [08:04:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:04:45] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:05:23] | Beirdo: | I need to chart the course to work, and try it, but I know I'm not completely ready yet. |
| [08:05:32] | laga: | how long is it? |
| [08:05:46] | Beirdo: | 3 miles or so |
| [08:06:06] | Beirdo: | I think there's one big stinking hill on 4th Ave |
| [08:06:11] | laga: | ah. well, you can always try on the weekend or after work |
| [08:06:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, exactly |
| [08:06:24] | laga: | your stamina will increase very quickly |
| [08:06:40] | Beirdo: | yup, I expect so |
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| [08:07:17] | Beirdo: | if the weather didn't suck today, I woulda tried for a short run after work today, I think |
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| [08:08:54] | laga: | tomorrow |
| [08:09:00] | laga: | the most important part is showing up ;) |
| [08:11:49] | Beirdo: | aye |
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| [14:35:14] | wsuetholz: | Hello, I'm going to be doing a fresh install soon, and am looking for the tables I need to restore in order to move all my Metadata and recording information over, while forcing me to redefine all my tuners and servers, since there seem to be some junk in there. |
| [14:35:46] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [14:35:47] | wsuetholz: | Is there a script that will just back up the information I need without the site/server information? |
| [14:35:50] | wagnerrp: | just do a full restore |
| [14:36:14] | wsuetholz: | But, I want to clean up things |
| [14:36:34] | wsuetholz: | Every time I do a scan for changes it complains about a server entry |
| [14:36:44] | wsuetholz: | I want to reorder my tuners |
| [14:36:56] | wagnerrp: | so 'delete all tuners' and recreate them |
| [14:37:02] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt take more than a couple minutes |
| [14:37:20] | wsuetholz: | I did that, and it didn't quite do what I wanted. |
| [14:37:32] | wagnerrp: | did you do 'delete all tuners on <hostname>'? |
| [14:37:46] | wagnerrp: | because the global delete will do exactly what you are looking for |
| [14:37:47] | wsuetholz: | 3 HDHomeruns, and one PVR-500 |
| [14:38:06] | wsuetholz: | I want the PVR-500 to be last |
| [14:38:14] | wagnerrp: | removes all tuners and card inputs, and resets the numbering |
| [14:39:16] | wsuetholz: | How do I get rid of the stored information about the BE and FEs? |
| [14:39:57] | wagnerrp: | except for the scenario you described above, theres really no reason to |
| [14:40:10] | wsuetholz: | Oh, btw, thanks for responding, even if I'm being a pain about this ;-) |
| [14:40:26] | wagnerrp: | and aside from a direct DB edit, which is generally unrecommended, i cant think of one |
| [14:40:54] | wagnerrp: | 'delete from settings where hostname="<unused host>";' |
| [14:41:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if youre around, maybe youve got a better option |
| [14:42:03] | wsuetholz: | Is everything specific to the machines stored in the settings table? |
| [14:42:04] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember if the video scan checks all registered hostnames |
| [14:42:09] | wagnerrp: | or all Videos storage directories |
| [14:42:29] | wagnerrp: | there are global settings, but they arent going to be causing problems |
| [14:42:40] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that youre trying to scan a server that will no longer respond |
| [14:43:06] | wsuetholz: | That actually brings up my next big question.. Do I have to do something special to move to storage groups? A point to the wiki is fine.. |
| [14:43:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont know of a good way to resolve that |
| [14:43:34] | wsuetholz: | yes, that was why I was thinking about picking what tables to restore, rather then doing a full restore. |
| [14:43:40] | wagnerrp: | remove the folders from the local definitions in the backend |
| [14:43:51] | wagnerrp: | add the folders to the Videos storage group in mythtv-setup |
| [14:44:25] | wagnerrp: | if you are getting errors about BEs not existing in the scan, you should already have those folders set up |
| [14:44:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not automatically do it for you |
| [14:46:18] | wsuetholz: | Yes, I tried to switch already last upgrade, I seem to have gotten the recordings working with storage groups |
| [14:46:48] | wagnerrp: | no, recordings have worked since they were introduced in 0.20 |
| [14:46:51] | wagnerrp: | it was never optional |
| [14:47:06] | wagnerrp: | people were forcefully migrated over |
| [14:48:43] | wsuetholz: | Ah, ok that explains it.. |
| [14:50:11] | wsuetholz: | After I move to storage groups, I should no longer need to share any of my partitions anymore, either via NFS or Samba, right? |
| [14:50:43] | wagnerrp: | for videos, yes |
| [14:51:01] | wagnerrp: | music and galleries have not yet been moved over to storage groups |
| [14:53:14] | wsuetholz: | Ok, thanks for the information |
| [14:57:05] | wsuetholz: | Back to what you said about removes all tuners... What numbering is being reset? The channels? Because the inputs/tuners just seem to keep incrementing.. |
| [14:59:11] | wagnerrp: | youre worried about seeing things like 'encoder 27' in mythweb, right? |
| [15:00:17] | wsuetholz: | yes |
| [15:00:41] | wagnerrp: | yes, 'delete all tuners' resets that value' |
| [15:01:28] | wsuetholz: | Thats in the Mythtv backend settings, right? Because I've done that in the past, and I don't recall it doing that. |
| [15:01:42] | ** squidly waves ** | |
| [15:01:52] | wagnerrp: | #)$(*)@#(*$#@#)(!!!! |
| [15:02:21] | wagnerrp: | been hearing some clicking noise for the past five minutes |
| [15:02:29] | squidly: | Is there an HDMI capture card for HD stuff |
| [15:02:30] | wagnerrp: | got louder, and louder |
| [15:02:36] | squidly: | wagnerrp: drive? |
| [15:02:46] | wagnerrp: | finally open up my case, feel the graphics fan and its slowing down |
| [15:02:54] | wagnerrp: | clicking slower and slower |
| [15:03:09] | wagnerrp: | the instant it finally stops clicking, my computer locks up |
| [15:03:16] | squidly: | wagnerrp: ouch! |
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| [15:05:28] | wsuetholz: | I had to do that in order to redo the HDHR Virtual tuners.. T1V1, T2V1, T3V1, T4V1, T1V2, T2V2, ... |
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| [15:06:40] | wsuetholz: | It's kind of a pain to set up the interleaved virtual tuners for LiveTV to use. |
| [15:07:22] | wagnerrp: | the fan itself seems find, but its dragging on the shield for some reason |
| [15:08:44] | wsuetholz: | It's also not as important any more, because I gave in and got a "real" TV for the bedroom, so the WAF has settled down. I was trying to just use MythTV hooked to a 28" monitor. |
| [15:11:04] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with using a large monitor? |
| [15:11:20] | justinh: | squidly: no there isn't – at least not one you can use in linux – and also not one that'd work with HDCP sources |
| [15:11:47] | justinh: | squidly: HDFury to Hauppauge HDPVR would work. allegedly |
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| [15:12:33] | wsuetholz: | The LiveTV kept failing, and if there were recordings going on the first tuner, it sometimes didn't let her change channels easily. |
| [15:13:35] | wsuetholz: | She wakes at 5AM, and I wake at 7AM, not while I had that setup. Since I kept being woken by her complaints about the setup I HAD to put in... |
| [15:14:00] | justinh: | you need a baby |
| [15:14:05] | wsuetholz: | So, now I have a 28" monitor for my laptop.. |
| [15:14:12] | justinh: | then the baby can wake you up early instead |
| [15:14:13] | wsuetholz: | Been there, done that.. 4 kids |
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| [15:14:38] | justinh: | I solved the problem by deleting the 'watch tv' menu option |
| [15:14:42] | wsuetholz: | they are exponential as far as trouble goes. |
| [15:15:27] | wsuetholz: | Not an option, given that she likes to watch her news in the morning, and sometimes she switches between stations. |
| [15:15:48] | justinh: | IMHO you went the right way anyway. take the computer out of the equation for dump TV viewing |
| [15:15:53] | justinh: | s/dump/dumb |
| [15:16:40] | laga: | so she is watching tv in the bedroom while you're asleep? |
| [15:16:47] | wsuetholz: | yes |
| [15:17:52] | justinh: | wife wants a TV in the bathroom – and access to her recordings |
| [15:18:05] | justinh: | I'm saying no |
| [15:18:18] | justinh: | no to bedroom TV too |
| [15:18:35] | justinh: | there should always be something better to do :P |
| [15:18:49] | wsuetholz: | Well, we've always had a TV in the bedroom, We both say no to in the bathroom.. |
| [15:19:22] | justinh: | I used to have a TV in the bedroom at home. got rid of it. wasted way too many weekend mornings |
| [15:20:06] | justinh: | and now, with a 6 month old at home there'd be no chance of ever watching anything in the morning anyway.. so... self fulfilling prophecy & all that :D |
| [15:20:21] | wsuetholz: | We also say no to the kids, but they each have a laptop, with the WIFI controlled by the router, on for about 2hrs every night. |
| [15:20:38] | wagnerrp: | so do i buy a replacement fan? |
| [15:20:42] | wagnerrp: | or just replace the whole card? |
| [15:21:15] | justinh: | isn't it about as cheap to replace a whole card? |
| [15:21:22] | wsuetholz: | depends on how old the card is, and whether you can still get a card for the bus in your PC. |
| [15:21:46] | justinh: | like uh.. fan assy for $15 but a new card might only be another $10 |
| [15:21:46] | wsuetholz: | I ended up having to get a PCI video card, because you can't find current AGP cards |
| [15:22:18] | wsuetholz: | yes, I have old stuff. I even have some PDP-11's |
| [15:22:33] | justinh: | lol |
| [15:22:33] | wagnerrp: | justinh: this is a 9800GT, so i would be looking for something relatively high end |
| [15:22:44] | wagnerrp: | saw some 460 on newegg for $130 |
| [15:23:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | the tiger direct B&M store had 430s for $60 |
| [15:23:04] | justinh: | wagnerrp: do you want to upgrade or not? I guess that's the real question |
| [15:23:08] | wsuetholz: | Is it your myth box? |
| [15:23:12] | wagnerrp: | no, desktop |
| [15:23:33] | wagnerrp: | i was actually looking at some large fanless heatsink last time i was up at microcenter |
| [15:23:43] | wagnerrp: | but decided to drop it and walk out since the line was an hour long |
| [15:23:59] | justinh: | I had to tolerate live tv last weekend. Oh boy. zapping sucks |
| [15:24:49] | wagnerrp: | im cut down to one monitor, since my secondary doesnt have two DVI ports |
| [15:25:03] | wsuetholz: | I don't quite have my family trained that Live TV stinks, skipping commercials is the best... |
| [15:25:26] | wagnerrp: | id like to get something today, and a video card at microcenter isnt going to be cheap |
| [15:25:45] | justinh: | all my family have DVRs now.. and they're not too bad either – but they just don't use the DVR enough |
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| [15:28:08] | wagnerrp: | i have to tell you, im using a single monitor, and i dont like it |
| [15:29:00] | justinh: | LOL @ the appletv2 user who says his teensy weensy box has 'no problem playing 1080P from BD'.. yeah.. transcoded to 6Mb/sec. |
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| [15:34:49] | wsuetholz: | wagnerrp: do you have any old machines laying around that you could borrow a fan from temporarily? |
| [15:35:17] | wsuetholz: | even if the fan doesn't directly fit, you might be able to tape it on... |
| [15:35:23] | wagnerrp: | no, the fan is attached to the heatsink |
| [15:35:58] | wagnerrp: | and the heatsink is set up in a manner that a strapped on fan wont flow properly |
| [15:36:31] | wsuetholz: | would it be enough to get by for a few days while you wait for a more cost effective replacement? |
| [15:37:07] | wsuetholz: | can you yank off the cover of the fan so it's no longer hitting it? |
| [15:38:21] | wagnerrp: | no, the heatsink really wont work that way |
| [15:38:26] | wagnerrp: | air must be forced from the side |
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| [15:40:02] | squidly: | justinh: thanks. Would the normal red/yello/white work for HD or do I need something else? |
| [15:40:15] | justinh: | normal red/yello/white? |
| [15:40:17] | squidly: | DirecTV gave me the H24 boxes |
| [15:40:29] | squidly: | yea the composet cord |
| [15:40:33] | justinh: | by that you mean COMPOSITE, LEFT AUDIO & RIGHT AUDIO |
| [15:40:40] | justinh: | NO. no use for HD |
| [15:40:49] | justinh: | composite & svideo are standard def only |
| [15:41:20] | squidly: | justinh: correct sorry. Was not sure the correct working. So to get HD from my new Boxes what would I need? |
| [15:41:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes. that appletv user was rather silly. |
| [15:41:38] | squidly: | I know I will need two new cards |
| [15:41:53] | wsuetholz: | what kind of video card, what kind of connections on your TV? |
| [15:41:57] | justinh: | squidly: hauppauge hdpvr – if the boxes have component out |
| [15:42:15] | squidly: | justinh: they do. They have Composit, HDMI, and Component |
| [15:42:21] | justinh: | squidly: and if they only have HDMI out, HDFury *and* Hauppauge HDPVR |
| [15:42:29] | squidly: | and ethernet. I may see if I can get that info |
| [15:42:38] | justinh: | ethernet will be of NO USE to you |
| [15:42:48] | justinh: | at least not for capturing video from them |
| [15:42:59] | squidly: | yea.. but control? |
| [15:43:57] | wsuetholz: | you're talking about the 1212 card? Wouldn't a HDMI capture card have worries about the capture flag? |
| [15:44:00] | wagnerrp: | heres what i was looking at last time i was up there... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186016 |
| [15:44:08] | wagnerrp: | wsuetholz: capture flag? |
| [15:44:17] | wagnerrp: | no, with HDMI capture you have to worry about HDCP |
| [15:44:19] | justinh: | wsuetholz: wth have you got the idea it'd HDMI input? |
| [15:44:33] | wagnerrp: | and ALL content coming out of an HDMI port will be encrypted with HDCP and completely unusable |
| [15:44:37] | justinh: | Hauppauge HDPVR is ****COMPONENT**** only |
| [15:45:04] | justinh: | so to grab HDMI you'd need the HDFury device to turn HDMI into component |
| [15:45:06] | squidly: | justinh: yea I looked that up.. I would prefer an internal card |
| [15:45:12] | wsuetholz: | Yes, I knew about the HDPVR, not the HDFury, and since you mentioned HDMI I assumed that the HDFury was HDMI |
| [15:45:24] | wagnerrp: | if youre talking about the hauppauge colossus, which is a card (as opposed to the hdpvr which is a box), it does have HDMI input, and again, it cannot capture anything off a cble box |
| [15:45:28] | justinh: | look up the hdfury then |
| [15:46:50] | wsuetholz: | Ok, I have one of those kind of things because my HDMI port on my TV doesn't work anymore, so I have to go Component to it. |
| [15:47:27] | wagnerrp: | this think is $30 at microcenter, they offer a $20 1yr warranty |
| [15:47:29] | squidly: | Yea I was thinking of using the HDMI mostly for cable clean. |
| [15:47:35] | squidly: | wagnerrp: not bad :D |
| [15:47:40] | justinh: | cable clean? |
| [15:47:41] | wagnerrp: | WTF are you going to cover on a fanless heatsink |
| [15:47:48] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing to fail |
| [15:47:49] | justinh: | do they speak English in what? |
| [15:47:56] | wagnerrp: | unless the off chance you burn out the heatpipes |
| [15:48:58] | squidly: | justinh: no.. it's to get people who really dont know wtf they are doing to spend more money |
| [15:49:55] | justinh: | squidly: what are you smoking? you said "Yea I was thinking of using the HDMI mostly for cable clean.". and I said "cable clean?"... as in .. wth are you talking about? |
| [15:50:24] | wagnerrp: | he means he doesnt want separate audio and video |
| [15:50:29] | wagnerrp: | one cable instead of five |
| [15:50:38] | justinh: | mostly for cable clean |
| [15:50:58] | justinh: | obviously some variant of English from an English speaking country I've not experienced before |
| [15:51:04] | wsuetholz: | I really don't pay much attention to the requirements for cable, since I do OTA only. There are quite a few channels here. |
| [15:51:10] | squidly: | justinh: sorry.. tired :( keeping the physical cables clean around my server. Not have to run a ton of cables and have a mess around my server. |
| [15:52:06] | justinh: | HDMI to the Fury, short neat component to the HDPVR. :) |
| [15:52:24] | squidly: | I missed what you said also. That is what I get for having 4 desktops all full.. |
| [15:52:58] | justinh: | I think if I was ever in the position of having to capture from a STB again I don't think I'd even bother. At all |
| [15:54:18] | wsuetholz: | justinh: what do you capture now? |
| [15:54:29] | justinh: | certainly not once you add the cost of HDMI conversion, component capture device.. then the actual subscription costs too.. meh |
| [15:54:30] | squidly: | justinh: Same here. I think After I'm doing with my contract I will just shutdown and capture off OIA |
| [15:54:42] | wagnerrp: | you think this memory will need cooling? |
| [15:54:55] | justinh: | everything I get is over the air. No HD yet |
| [15:58:34] | wsuetholz: | How many stations do you have? I have 30, with 2 that are duplicated, on of which has a HD and a SD signal. |
| [15:58:40] | wsuetholz: | all OTA |
| [15:59:30] | wsuetholz: | 14 future use that I didn't count |
| [16:00:25] | wsuetholz: | So far, any cable specific shows they want, I've been able to find, without needing cable. |
| [16:00:44] | justinh: | I dunno. I delete most of them once I'm done scanning |
| [16:01:10] | squidly: | wsuetholz: yea.. hulu is awesome! |
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| [16:01:32] | justinh: | 36 T Vchannels in my db |
| [16:01:49] | justinh: | there are probably more than 60 broadcast but I trim the chaff |
| [16:02:20] | wsuetholz: | Where are you, I'm in a "small" market in SE Wisconsin.. |
| [16:02:20] | justinh: | on terrestrial TV there are no HD channels we can use in mythtv yet. stupid dvb-t2 |
| [16:03:36] | wsuetholz: | The local news stations run the Big Market shows in the morning, they only care about what's going on in New York |
| [16:04:42] | justinh: | even if freeview HD was usable in mythtv I still wouldn't be rushing to get HD ready |
| [16:04:43] | wsuetholz: | We have 7 stations that regularly show HD content. |
| [16:04:55] | vontrapp: | fwiw, you can use composite cables for component, but you still need actual component output and input, of course |
| [16:05:32] | ** vontrapp is in utah and has probably 5 or 6 HD channels OTA ** | |
| [16:05:55] | justinh: | the UK has about 5 or 6 HD channels free to wait |
| [16:06:02] | justinh: | free to wait? free to AIR |
| [16:06:10] | justinh: | that's the *whole* of the UK |
| [16:06:14] | justinh: | 6 channels. Meh |
| [16:06:18] | iamlindoro: | !url logs |
| [16:06:18] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [16:06:45] | vontrapp: | i get about 25 channels total i think, all digital but mostly sd |
| [16:07:45] | wsuetholz: | We actually have 7 actual channels/frequencies, the rest are subchannels |
| [16:08:20] | hashbang: | UK TV channels seem to mostly be repeats, shopping channels and soft porn. :-] |
| [16:08:48] | justinh: | more channels != Good |
| [16:08:50] | wsuetholz: | repeats, yes most of the channels are showing old content. |
| [16:09:54] | hashbang: | justinh: that said, now that we have more channels, you might as well get them, because the stuff you /want/ to watch is scattered amongst a greater number of channels. |
| [16:10:03] | justinh: | while zapping at the weekend I went past a shopping channel which was advertising some crazy 'Zumba' event or other. whatever they smoke it's not hard enough. they're still alive |
| [16:10:18] | justinh: | hashbang: I disagree. there's FA worth paying for |
| [16:10:41] | wagnerrp: | everyone loves some good broadcast soft core porn |
| [16:10:54] | hashbang: | justinh: oh, I just meant getting the full range of Freeview/Freesat, rather than paying Murdoch or Virgin... |
| [16:11:04] | justinh: | I used to have a mid level subscription for my cable but I killed it off |
| [16:11:30] | justinh: | £30++ a month ... adds up to a few box sets.. if you can actually be bothered |
| [16:11:36] | wsuetholz: | but I've been recording old shows, Like Hogans Heroes, Sea Hunt, Stargate SG1, Star Trek, Benny Hill |
| [16:12:01] | justinh: | benny hill??? ROFLMAO |
| [16:12:03] | ** vontrapp wishes he got star trek :( ** | |
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| [16:12:36] | squidly: | vontrapp: what one? |
| [16:12:37] | squidly: | lol |
| [16:12:43] | wsuetholz: | Yep, a station here seems to have just run 4 hours of Benny Hill shows.. I still like the hose behind the tree.. |
| [16:12:44] | hashbang: | justinh: likewise, it pays for a pretty decent lovefilm/easycinema DVD-by-post sub |
| [16:13:20] | vontrapp: | squidly: what star trek? any... never was much into TOS though |
| [16:13:27] | justinh: | I used to be a bit of a film buff.. well more than I am now for sure. I'll never get back all those hours lost watching lousy films |
| [16:13:44] | wsuetholz: | The Star Trek was the original one starting from the very beginning, including the original pilot.. |
| [16:14:00] | justinh: | and now all I need is for someone to implore me to see a film (e.g. Avatar) & I add it to my |
| [16:14:02] | wsuetholz: | interesting how the uniforms changed. |
| [16:14:04] | squidly: | vontrapp: lol.. |
| [16:14:08] | justinh: | 'never gonna see EVER' list |
| [16:14:30] | vontrapp: | justinh: pleeeease watch avatar! you just *have* to!! |
| [16:14:47] | ** justinh adds Avatar to the list again. That's 10 times it's on the list now ** | |
| [16:14:53] | vontrapp: | haha |
| [16:15:02] | wagnerrp: | you know, ive never seen it, i really have no desire to see it |
| [16:15:07] | wsuetholz: | My cousin spoke about how when she was growing up, it was a big deal to be old enough to watch Star Trek because of the violence in it.. She grew up in Germany. |
| [16:15:22] | justinh: | if they ever do an edited version so it fits into 2 hours or so.. maybe |
| [16:15:48] | justinh: | wsuetholz: heh over there they're hard on violence.. less so on sexy stuff |
| [16:15:59] | justinh: | wsuetholz: in the US it's the other way around.. I'd rather be German |
| [16:16:20] | justinh: | oh noes! somebody accidentally showed a nipple on live tv! cut the feed! |
| [16:16:37] | justinh: | while on other channels people are regularly being cut up, shot, tortured.. sheesh |
| [16:17:11] | justinh: | anywhere that OKs violence before sex scenes is totally messed up IMHO |
| [16:17:14] | wagnerrp: | justinh: what about spanish, where 'wardrobe malfunctions' are just part of the fun |
| [16:17:20] | vontrapp: | justinh: ugh, you reminded me of 24 |
| [16:17:24] | vontrapp: | thanks a lot |
| [16:17:30] | justinh: | heh |
| [16:17:36] | justinh: | I liked 24. Mostly |
| [16:17:38] | squidly: | justinh: Avatar was good. I really liked it |
| [16:18:05] | justinh: | listen folks: I don't CARE what you think about Avatar. In my mind it sucks, so would be a waste of my time |
| [16:18:10] | wsuetholz: | Of course this conversation was in the 80's Before the movies and the follow up series. |
| [16:18:50] | wsuetholz: | In a lot of ways it did stink, but the graphics were pretty nice. Just watch it without the sound and it's much better. |
| [16:18:55] | squidly: | justinh: yep.. To each their own :D My wife loves some movies I walk out of the room and I'm ashamed my drives have been spoiled by having to work it. |
| [16:19:12] | wagnerrp: | squidly: avatar was just way over-hyped, and left a bad taste in my mouth |
| [16:19:14] | justinh: | so anwyay – you americans sort your ideas out. we need way more scenes of a sexual nature & way less violence. maybe the world will end up less screwed up as a whole too |
| [16:19:22] | wagnerrp: | for better or worse, ive made up my mind without ever having seen it |
| [16:20:00] | wagnerrp: | and camerons ravings about writing this thing 15 years ago and only just now having the technology to properly pull it off is a load of crap |
| [16:20:01] | wsuetholz: | We are still controlled by a Puritanical elite :-D |
| [16:20:07] | justinh: | I mean on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd much rather any kid of mine accidentally saw a pron flick than something like SAW or Hostel |
| [16:20:11] | wagnerrp: | since the exact same movie was made in the early 90s |
| [16:20:20] | wagnerrp: | except they may everyone tiny instead of huge |
| [16:20:21] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: it was better than I was expecting, and the 3D was technically very good. Still couldn't help thinking "Dances with Smurfs" throughout, though... |
| [16:20:42] | justinh: | wsuetholz: since when is making films where the characters are gruseomly tortured puritanical though? that's what I can't figure |
| [16:21:08] | vontrapp: | justinh: war-crazed puritans |
| [16:21:13] | squidly: | wagnerrp: yea if it was not so hyped it would have been a lot better |
| [16:21:20] | vontrapp: | hypocritical? you betcha! |
| [16:21:26] | justinh: | meh |
| [16:21:26] | wsuetholz: | So long as there is no sex, everything is ok to show.. Kind of sad really. |
| [16:21:49] | justinh: | just don't ask any questions about how we got here as individuals huh |
| [16:22:44] | justinh: | hey maybe when you've got a generation who are totally not bothered by gore you'll actually start winning wars :-P |
| [16:23:03] | justinh: | suddenly it all becomes crystal clear :D |
| [16:23:33] | vontrapp: | i sure hope not. IMO the US needs a really good ass whooping |
| [16:23:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | Avatar looks like it would look great on an Imax screen but is otherwise a pretty mediocre film. |
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| [16:25:46] | wagnerrp: | and if youre just watching a film for the visuals, you may as well watch something thats not so preachy anti-corporation |
| [16:26:12] | wsuetholz: | I don't really understand why it's ok to commit violence against anybody. And people that promote targeting the US and it's citizens, even in jest are prompting violence.. |
| [16:27:16] | squidly: | anyone seen the new tron yet? |
| [16:27:21] | justinh: | nope |
| [16:27:23] | vontrapp: | wsuetholz: i should rephrase, more like a big can of humble is what the US needs, hopefully without violence |
| [16:27:24] | wsuetholz: | Ever read "Brother Jonathan" by Crawford Kilian? There corporations became the new nations.. |
| [16:27:37] | justinh: | heard the soundtrack is good – but when a review mentions that first it's seldom a good sign |
| [16:27:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | Yeah. might as well just watch a documentary on Homestead. |
| [16:27:50] | squidly: | justinh: yea very bad sign |
| [16:27:51] | squidly: | brb |
| [16:28:09] | vontrapp: | i actually don't remember the soundtrack |
| [16:28:31] | justinh: | what was the last reboot I heard about that made me laugh? Oh yeah. No. I forgot |
| [16:28:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | American corporations deserve all of the rhetorical grief they get. |
| [16:28:41] | vontrapp: | the lightcycles were good, but I'm not sure whether to be disappointed that they didn't turn at 90 degree angles |
| [16:28:49] | wsuetholz: | I just don't like that the theaters are forcing you to pay the upcharge for 3D. I'm perfectly fine watching these things in 2D, but they show 1 seating 2D and all the rest 3D. |
| [16:28:55] | laga: | vontrapp: they did NOT? |
| [16:29:00] | justinh: | it's some lame sounding live action deal of a cartoon from the 80s |
| [16:29:05] | wsuetholz: | And make you pay an extra $3 for the priviledge. |
| [16:29:12] | justinh: | $3? |
| [16:29:32] | justinh: | jees. over here the seats for 3d start at £10, and they make you pay for the glasses |
| [16:29:46] | vontrapp: | justinh: $3 *more* |
| [16:29:46] | wsuetholz: | on top of the base $15 to get in. |
| [16:29:53] | vontrapp: | $9 total i think |
| [16:30:00] | justinh: | $15?! |
| [16:30:02] | justinh: | yikes |
| [16:30:11] | justinh: | no wonder the industry was in trouble lol |
| [16:30:16] | wsuetholz: | It's not cheap to go the the movies in the states.. |
| [16:30:23] | vontrapp: | wsuetholz: where's that at? |
| [16:30:29] | justinh: | it's not cheap over here either |
| [16:30:33] | vontrapp: | tron 3d cost me $9 iirc |
| [16:30:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can wait for the blu ray and end up spending less. |
| [16:30:44] | justinh: | <3 Orange Wednesday :-P |
| [16:30:58] | wsuetholz: | Last time we tried was in Minnesota, but it was the same in Chicago. |
| [16:31:28] | vontrapp: | but depending on the theatre can cost us much as 12 or 13, but 15 seems outrageous |
| [16:31:33] | wsuetholz: | We don't go to alot of movies. What with having to buy 6 tickets, Where the age for the adult tickets is 12. |
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| [16:32:51] | justinh: | not surprised |
| [16:32:52] | wsuetholz: | Maybe the $15 I'm thinking about was with the surcharge.. That would make sense. I was just so upset that they were charging more for the 3D, I must have fixated on the total. |
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| [16:33:16] | justinh: | here is like £7 per seat prime time, concessions take yer eyes out |
| [16:33:24] | wsuetholz: | Almost as bad as trying to go to a sporting event.. |
| [16:33:40] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yeah, popcorn and a drink are like $5 |
| [16:33:43] | wagnerrp: | (each) |
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| [16:33:50] | vontrapp: | yeah, i was looking at a movie last weekend, and asked the guy "what is this d-box thing" a chair that moves during the movie apparantly. that one did cost $16 |
| [16:33:59] | wagnerrp: | of course theres enough calories there that it could be half your food for that day |
| [16:34:00] | justinh: | we got free tickets to see a film a while back – but 2 hotdogs, 2 drinks & 2 popcorns came to like £15 |
| [16:34:28] | justinh: | a great deal is the 'VIP area' here. £10 in, great armchair style seat, free concessions |
| [16:34:28] | vontrapp: | i never buy concessions |
| [16:34:43] | justinh: | oh and licenced bar so if the movie blows you can get drunk |
| [16:34:46] | vontrapp: | justinh: wow! |
| [16:34:59] | wagnerrp: | well... we never /pay/ for concessions |
| [16:35:02] | justinh: | spiderman.. I got very very drunk |
| [16:35:11] | justinh: | 2 bottles of wine drunk |
| [16:35:20] | wsuetholz: | I don't know of any movie theatres that have bars. |
| [16:35:21] | wagnerrp: | or movies for that matter |
| [16:35:42] | justinh: | wsuetholz: oh that puritan stuff again. |
| [16:35:51] | wsuetholz: | must be |
| [16:36:01] | iamlindoro: | We have a whole line of cinemas with bars, and in-seat drink service too |
| [16:36:08] | justinh: | so you can go see a film where somebody is disembowelled in some sick game onscreen but not drink a beer with it... lol |
| [16:36:41] | wagnerrp: | get there at midnight, empty theater, dump the contents of the popcorn bin into a garbage bag, be as loud as you want |
| [16:36:42] | wsuetholz: | Are vampire movies and shows back in in the UK? |
| [16:36:44] | wagnerrp: | its great |
| [16:36:52] | chiluk: | Is anyone else having issue with the progress bar in mythvideo not keeping up with h264 videos that have been transcoded using handbrake? basically the progress bar runs about 20% slow or so, so at the end of a 55 minute show the progress bar only reads 44 minutes or so (times just an example). |
| [16:37:28] | wsuetholz: | chiluk: I haven't noticed that. |
| [16:37:39] | hashbang: | justinh: our local Odeon has become my fave over Showcase for 3D films; they do Orange Wednesdays, the glasses are reusable, and the projection is sharper than at Showcase (even the brand new 'De Lux') |
| [16:37:39] | chiluk: | do you watch handbraked dvds? |
| [16:37:42] | wsuetholz: | doesn't mean it's not happening though. |
| [16:38:12] | justinh: | hashbang: oh to be nearer an odeon. we have sucky cineworld here |
| [16:38:29] | justinh: | got my money back for them showing the film out of focus last time & haven't been back since |
| [16:38:30] | wsuetholz: | Yes, that has become my preferred way of reading them in. Sometimes HB has problems reading the DVDS, then I use thoggen to read them in, and HB crashes trying to read the OGG Video. |
| [16:38:37] | chiluk: | we have the drafthouse in Austin http://drafthouse.com/main/franchise/ |
| [16:38:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have seen odd progress bar issues with h264 transcodes in mythvideo. I am sure the devs will tell me that I just have upgrade to .24-fixes (as I am still running 0.23) |
| [16:39:12] | chiluk: | yeah I'm on 23.1 as well. |
| [16:39:17] | justinh: | eep. time to drive home & see the boy |
| [16:39:30] | wsuetholz: | bye |
| [16:39:48] | iamlindoro: | Yes, we would. All known progress bar duration issues are solved in current .24-fixes. |
| [16:39:54] | hashbang: | justinh: we've got a Cineworld. Nothing special about it apart from it shows lots of Bollywood, but it's in a rough suburb |
| [16:39:57] | chiluk: | normally i wouldn't care, but if I try to jump forward or back it jumps forward or back from where the progress bar thinks it is at.. |
| [16:40:01] | chiluk: | which pisses off the wife. |
| [16:40:09] | wsuetholz: | enjoy this age, soon he'll be crawling and getting into everything, then asking to borrow the car. |
| [16:40:20] | wsuetholz: | it goes fast! |
| [16:40:25] | chiluk: | iamlindoro... any chance they might get backported to 23.1? |
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| [16:40:41] | iamlindoro: | chiluk: virtually none, .24 is our current release |
| [16:40:43] | wsuetholz: | I'm still telling mine that they need their Doctorate before they can drive, or date even... |
| [16:41:04] | chiluk: | alright.. I guess I'll just have to wait for my next upgrade cycle... |
| [16:41:30] | wsuetholz: | It's not going over very well any more. They keep asking me when I got my doctorate... |
| [16:41:49] | vontrapp: | lol |
| [16:42:15] | chiluk: | you should have started with you can drive when you can afford to crash. |
| [16:42:23] | wsuetholz: | If they'd buy it, it would save me a LOT on car insurance. |
| [16:42:35] | elmojo: | progress bar issues with 0.23? |
| [16:42:47] | wagnerrp: | you know, my computer is so quiet with that video card removed |
| [16:42:51] | chiluk: | elmojo... yeah... on 23.1 with mythbuntu |
| [16:42:51] | elmojo: | now that's a new one – luckily I can't be blamed for that either |
| [16:42:59] | vontrapp: | i think i'll tell my kids that they can get their GED and then i'll completely emancipate them, no takebacks though! :) |
| [16:43:26] | wagnerrp: | holy crap, my cpu fan is dead |
| [16:43:31] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: It's an issue fixed by generating a seektable-- but .23.1 doesn't have your non-seektable fixes |
| [16:43:43] | vontrapp: | my computer is so quiet! ... and dead... |
| [16:43:46] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: So .23.1 users can just gen a seektable, but .24 users don't have to |
| [16:44:05] | wsuetholz: | I'm still pushing for a doctorate, so they can take care of their parents in a manner to which they are not accustomed ;-) |
| [16:44:39] | elmojo: | chiluk: run 'ffmpeg -i' against the recording and see if it gets the duration correct or not |
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| [16:45:36] | wsuetholz: | iamlindoro: how do you generate a seektable for a MKV h264 video? |
| [16:45:57] | wagnerrp: | no cpu fan and im still only at 28C |
| [16:46:04] | wsuetholz: | and, is that something to bring up to the handbrake devs? |
| [16:46:09] | elmojo: | wsueholz: I believe we disabled the ability to generate a seektable for MKV files |
| [16:46:25] | chiluk: | mine are packaged as m4v... |
| [16:46:27] | elmojo: | it shouldn't be necessary |
| [16:46:47] | wagnerrp: | m4v != mkv |
| [16:46:52] | wagnerrp: | m4v is nothing |
| [16:47:10] | wagnerrp: | its an incorrect extension for things that should be mp4 |
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| [16:47:59] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: new Intel CPUs are pretty cool; my Q6600 is at 21C (26 on one core, 22/23 on other 3), my MythTV i5–760 is on 31.5C (cores 28/29/31/32C) |
| [16:48:14] | wsuetholz: | yes, but handbrake doesn't allow you to easily change it to mp4. |
| [16:48:18] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: ambient is probably about 19–20C |
| [16:48:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | that's a definite improvement. |
| [16:48:35] | chiluk: | sorry wagnerrp m4v is the default output using handbrake ... which as far as I know is very widely used. |
| [16:49:09] | wsuetholz: | chiluk: Jamu doesn't like m4v. |
| [16:49:29] | wagnerrp: | wsuetholz: got nothing to do with JAMU |
| [16:49:34] | chiluk: | glorious.. that may be another one of my problems. |
| [16:49:45] | wagnerrp: | JAMU just pulls the supported list of extensions out of the database table mythvideo itself uses |
| [16:49:47] | elmojo: | wsuetholz, chiluk: could you both run 'ffmpeg -i' against your problematic videos and post the results |
| [16:50:11] | chiluk: | elmojo trying I have to find one that I know the duration to.. |
| [16:50:16] | elmojo: | it sounds like the frame rate might be getting misdetected which should be fixed in 0.24 |
| [16:50:18] | chiluk: | one sec.. *(goes to grab dvd case) |
| [16:50:20] | wsuetholz: | Well, I was recently running jamu on my videos, and it didn't like the m4v files. I changed them to mp4 and it liked them. Just was mentioning it to chiluk. |
| [16:51:16] | chiluk: | elmojo Spaceballs comes in with Duration: 01:36:10.52 |
| [16:51:21] | chiluk: | which matches the dvd case.. |
| [16:51:39] | wsuetholz: | Well, I didn't add m4v into myth, so that would explain it. It really didn't matter much to me, since I don't have many, and like you said they really should be mp4. |
| [16:52:27] | wsuetholz: | Speaking of Jamu... Does it let you enter in codes for either of the two db sites it looks at in 0.24? |
| [16:52:50] | elmojo: | chiluk: my guess is that ffmpeg provided the wrong fps to mythtv – I made a change in 0.24 for better fps detection – specifically for MKV frame rate |
| [16:53:00] | wagnerrp: | wsuetholz: interactive mode may |
| [16:53:12] | wagnerrp: | but if you have to enter codes, why not just do it from within the GUI |
| [16:53:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | how fast does seektable generation usually run? |
| [16:53:42] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: usually about as fast as you can read the file |
| [16:53:51] | wsuetholz: | I was running through all my videos, which had no Metadata anymore. Lost on a prior upgrade. |
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| [16:54:13] | elmojo: | chiluk: post the line from ffmpeg -i with tbn, tbc on it |
| [16:54:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | ok. never saw fps numbers that high before. |
| [16:54:27] | wsuetholz: | wagnerp: Thanks for all your help and suggestions |
| [16:54:48] | wsuetholz: | gtg need to actually work. |
| [16:55:01] | wagnerrp: | when mythtranscode runs the seektable generation after a clipping |
| [16:55:06] | wagnerrp: | it never takes more than 2–3 minutes |
| [16:55:09] | chiluk: | Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 720x480 [PAR 32:27 DAR 16:9], 1120 kb/s, PAR 1706:1215 DAR 853:405, 23.97 fps, 90k tbr, 90k tbn, 180k tbc |
| [16:55:54] | elmojo: | chiluk: this should be fixed in 0.24 |
| [16:55:57] | chiluk: | so as far as I can tell the duration from ffmpeg -i matches the duration in the progress bar correctly... |
| [16:56:10] | chiluk: | but the progress indicator doesn't keep up with the video. |
| [16:56:40] | chiluk: | ah alright... I guess I will just be patient and fix it when I move to .24 *(I don't want to update all 3 frontends a.t.m. |
| [16:56:41] | wagnerrp: | 20C swing between idle and full load, just hit 50C |
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| [16:56:49] | wagnerrp: | still, thats not bad at all for no fan |
| [16:56:55] | elmojo: | chiluk: right, in 0.23 the progress bar position is calculated based on the number for frames and the frame rate – so if the frame rate is wrong then the position will be wrong |
| [16:57:08] | chiluk: | ah cool. |
| [16:57:25] | chiluk: | any chance the .24 fix can be backported to .23? |
| [16:57:31] | chiluk: | if so can you point me to the specific patch? |
| [16:57:38] | elmojo: | nope – I almost didn't backport it to 0.24 |
| [16:57:50] | elmojo: | the code has changed too much |
| [16:58:01] | chiluk: | nuts. |
| [16:58:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | did you try generating a seektable for the file? |
| [16:58:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | that seemed to fix the problems I was seeing. |
| [16:58:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | pretty fast too. I am up to season 8 of the first show I tried this on (generating the seektables) |
| [16:59:28] | chiluk: | too much hassle... I'd rather create a fix for myth... or move to .24. |
| [16:59:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | you could do your entire library in one line on the shell |
| [17:00:21] | elmojo: | I recommend the move to 0.24 as long as you don't upgrade the OS/Distro at the same time |
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| [17:00:33] | elmojo: | 0.24 is extremely nice |
| [17:01:01] | chiluk: | I tried it with the original release of mythbuntu 10.10, and had some weird crashing issues... |
| [17:01:13] | chiluk: | I figure it's probably gotten quite a bit more stable since then. |
| [17:02:54] | elmojo: | chiluk: be careful, there are reports that may indicate some dvb issues with newer distros like Ubuntu 10.10 and FC14 |
| [17:03:19] | chiluk: | I haven't had any issues with my dvb card.. |
| [17:03:21] | elmojo: | chiluk: it's quite a polished release at this point |
| [17:03:26] | elmojo: | are you using 10.10? |
| [17:03:39] | chiluk: | yes.. |
| [17:03:44] | elmojo: | you should be fine then |
| [17:03:46] | chiluk: | I did have to find and install the firmware for it. |
| [17:04:05] | chiluk: | but aside from that I'm a happy camper. |
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| [17:19:45] | wagnerrp: | we had some old deck furniture that we through out last night |
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| [17:20:00] | wagnerrp: | it was iron, and the metal had rusted away under the paint |
| [17:20:08] | wagnerrp: | it was honestly unsafe to sit on |
| [17:20:24] | wagnerrp: | ... they were gone before the garbage men came by this morning |
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| [17:33:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, wind? |
| [17:33:35] | wagnerrp: | garbage pickers i assume |
| [17:34:20] | kormoc: | ahh |
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| [18:45:35] | Beirdo: | sphery_: you're dangling again :) |
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| [18:47:34] | Beirdo: | and squidly's using IPv6. Good squidly :) |
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| [18:49:05] | sphery_: | wsuetholz: To clean up your Storage Groups: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/443039#443039 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/443159#443159 |
| [18:49:48] | sphery_: | Beirdo: heh: sphery #mythtv-theming Cannot change nickname while banned on channel |
| [18:49:57] | Beirdo: | say what? |
| [18:49:59] | Beirdo: | banned? |
| [18:50:03] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [18:50:18] | sphery_: | someone messed up the bans on that channel |
| [18:50:20] | sphery_: | someone who's not banned should really fix them... |
| [18:50:52] | sphery_: | wsuetholz: and wagnerrp was correct about how to delete and reorder tuners. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [18:51:33] | sphery_: | wsuetholz: and, like he said, those are the only 2 things that need cleaning up. Deleting settings from the settings table will save you all of 8kiB of HDD space--and do absolutely nothing for performance |
| [18:52:42] | Beirdo: | you should be able to unban yourself via chanserv. you have ops |
| [18:53:09] | wsuetholz: | sphery_: Thank you for the info, and your time researching those threads. |
| [18:53:10] | sphery_: | hmmm |
| [18:53:32] | iamlindoro: | just leave, identify, and rejoin |
| [18:53:44] | iamlindoro: | and you're right, the channel is jacked up but everyone claims it's the same as all the others |
| [18:53:48] | sphery_: | wsuetholz: heh, I keep those handy :) |
| [18:54:05] | sphery_: | I /should/ really write up some pages on the wiki, but time... |
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| [18:59:24] | wsuetholz: | Does the settings table care about the case of the hostname.. For example I have both "Livingroom" and "livingroom" defined. |
| [18:59:42] | wsuetholz: | "WJSLaptop" and "wjslaptop" |
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| [19:00:43] | sphery: | wsuetholz: the settings table doesn't, but the code in MythTV may |
| [19:02:43] | sphery: | looks like for the general case, the code doesn't care |
| [19:02:51] | sphery: | so it shouldn't be a problem |
| [19:03:08] | wsuetholz: | The values are different... |
| [19:03:24] | wsuetholz: | This is the kind of stuff that I was looking to clean up. |
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| [19:03:52] | sphery: | values or data? |
| [19:03:57] | sphery: | values are setting names |
| [19:04:11] | sphery: | data are the specified data stored in the setting |
| [19:05:14] | wsuetholz: | I am going to reinstall, and try to make sure that the host names are correct from the start, And the IP addresses too. Presently I have an IP address on the BE that is wrong because of trying virtual machines at one point. |
| [19:05:42] | wsuetholz: | wrong is subjective of course... I want it to be .1, and it's .240 |
| [19:05:46] | sphery: | you can edit ip addresses in mythtv-setup general settings |
| [19:06:28] | sphery: | but if you're really concerned, the only semi-supported way of cleaning up the DB (mainly meant for cleaning up the DB when you break your schema, not the data) is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup |
| [19:06:30] | wsuetholz: | yes, and then change it on all the FE's |
| [19:06:37] | sphery: | make sure you read the details, too |
| [19:06:47] | sphery: | for cleaning up data, it's literally just a waste of time |
| [19:07:37] | wagnerrp: | why is it that people must drive the same speed right next to each other? |
| [19:07:54] | ** sphery wonders why wagnerrp is texting while driving ** | |
| [19:07:58] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:08:14] | skd5aner: | Are commit hooks working now for trac? |
| [19:08:19] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [19:08:19] | sphery: | It must be super-empathic people... |
| [19:08:32] | skd5aner: | ahhh, darn – I saw this and thought maybe :) http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /078054.html |
| [19:08:36] | wsuetholz: | Ok, thanks again. I did grab the irclog for today to make sure that I can reread.. Maybe eventually the wisdom supplied will sink in eventually.. |
| [19:08:56] | skd5aner: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [19:08:56] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux was last seen 2 days 9 hours 33 minutes 18 seconds ago |
| [19:09:15] | ** wagnerrp debates whether to use the thermal pad that came with the heatsink, or slather on AS5 ** | |
| [19:09:40] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: what cpu? |
| [19:09:45] | wagnerrp: | GT9800 |
| [19:09:53] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [19:09:53] | wagnerrp: | 9800GT rather |
| [19:10:10] | skd5aner: | bet it gets hot... stock heatsink? |
| [19:10:43] | wagnerrp: | replacement, fanless |
| [19:10:58] | wagnerrp: | the little blower crapped out |
| [19:11:05] | wagnerrp: | that thing was the beating heart of my computer |
| [19:11:05] | skd5aner: | hmmm, in that case I'd probably go AS5 |
| [19:11:10] | wagnerrp: | its starts clicking noisily |
| [19:11:23] | wagnerrp: | it slows down, clicks slower and slower |
| [19:11:31] | wagnerrp: | the instant the clicks stopped, the machine locked up |
| [19:11:31] | skd5aner: | If it was a heatsink with a fan, I'd probably just use the thermal pad |
| [19:11:50] | wagnerrp: | would have been amazing... if my computer hadnt just locked up |
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| [19:20:17] | sphery: | woah... another accidental keypress, another previously-unknown functionality in Firefox. Now if only I could figure out what it's actually doing. Ctrl-Shift-N |
| [19:20:19] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: someone linked to some interesting test material on ticket 9582 – not sure if you'd find it interesting enough to leverage with some of your sample/test content stuff or not, but I thought it looked interesting – http://ncamftp.wgbh.org/DTV/CEA%20test%20material/Iteration_1/ |
| [19:20:22] | wagnerrp: | new page? |
| [19:20:23] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: contains some CC test stuff |
| [19:20:24] | sphery: | new window with some number of tabs from the history, for me |
| [19:20:26] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's going through a stack of last-closed windows |
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| [19:20:29] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: The point of the samples is to get playback working with moderate average HD and SD bitrates and codecs-- is there any reason this content would be better suited? |
| [19:20:35] | iamlindoro: | It is not to test subtitles, close captions/etc. |
| [19:20:35] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I haven't yet played aroudn with the samples, but I would doubt it |
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| [19:21:04] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't appear relevant to the purpose of the Setup Wizard |
| [19:21:09] | iamlindoro: | but if you find it is, let me know |
| [19:21:36] | skd5aner: | cool, np... yea, just thought it was cool – but probably outside of the scope of the setup wizard |
| [19:22:22] | skd5aner: | might be better suited for a "test bed" for development moreso than end-user setup |
| [19:25:45] | iamlindoro: | That sounds like it's probably accurate |
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| [19:34:57] | iamlindoro: | It does seem like a good development tool for verifying CEA captions, though |
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| [19:42:17] | skd5aner: | w00t! release notes for 0.25 and 0.24-fixes up-to-date for the first time since Mid-December... |
| [19:42:49] | ** skd5aner takes a deep sigh of relief ** | |
| [19:43:08] | iamlindoro: | nice job |
| [19:44:00] | skd5aner: | ty :) Now, if I can stay a few days behind, I can actually take time to read all the tickets again rather than just trying to get through -commits as quickly as possible |
| [19:45:20] | wagnerrp: | well this is a bit of a problem |
| [19:45:49] | wagnerrp: | i bought a toolless hotswap bay for my desktop |
| [19:46:06] | wagnerrp: | it has a floating internal mount for vibration control |
| [19:46:27] | Unhelpful: | and it vibrates inside the bay? ;) |
| [19:46:28] | wagnerrp: | but my desktop has toolless 5.25" bays |
| [19:46:40] | wagnerrp: | so theres nothing to support those floating mounts |
| [19:46:49] | wagnerrp: | its just kind of jammed in there with them bent up |
| [19:47:16] | kormoc: | Awesome |
| [19:47:53] | Unhelpful: | oh. that is less ironic and possibly more troublesome than i thought. my 5.25" bays had screws when i did a diy NAS, but the hotwsap bays never fit in them neatly, were much too tight, and can probably never come out. |
| [19:48:35] | wagnerrp: | and its riveted in place, so i cant just replace the rubber spacers with hard plastic ones |
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| [19:52:13] | wagnerrp: | xris: im talking about using JSON for the internal protocol |
| [19:53:58] | wagnerrp: | xris: right now, a programinfo would be something like 'Community[]:[]Mixology Certification[]:[]When the study group members realize Troy is turning 21, they decide to take him to the bars; Shirley pulls down photos of her that are posted at the bar; Abed talks to a fellow sci-fi nerd.[]:[]Sitcom[]:[]4642[]:[]5_1[]:[]WLWT-HD[]:[]WLWT-HD[]:[]myth://10.254.1.31:6543/4642_20110113203000.m . . . :[]12949...' |
| [19:54:00] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, thats just nasty to look at |
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| [19:54:23] | wagnerrp: | youre required to pass every field every time |
| [19:54:31] | wagnerrp: | youre required to maintain the same order every time |
| [19:54:55] | sphery: | I still like protobuf for internal and json for mythxml stuff... |
| [19:55:04] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:55:32] | wagnerrp: | if were going to expand mythxml to be as capable as mythproto, sure |
| [19:55:44] | sphery: | and, it has the benefit of making it more likely for people to use higher-level tools for communication with MythTV--i.e. use bindings or just use mythxml. |
| [19:56:06] | sphery: | even if the bindings wrap all the functionality that's not available to mythxml |
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| [20:01:26] | sphery: | xris: don't know if this means something to you, but it seems that most people using protobuf with PHP are doing it through a compiler at http://sourceforge.net/projects/spbc/ rather than using the (inactive) php-protobuf project at http://code.google.com/p/php-protobuf/ |
| [20:01:52] | xris: | sphery: yeah, but using that would violate my "only easily-accessible parts" requirement for mythweb |
| [20:02:06] | sphery: | ok |
| [20:02:36] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:03:06] | kormoc: | we'd just ship a version of that with the backend, build it and compile the current backend protobuf pieces and use them |
| [20:04:18] | sphery: | there's also http://code.google.com/p/pb4php/ , but it's labeled a beta |
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| [20:05:38] | sphery: | anyway, if dblain ever lets anyone look at his code (I /really/ would love to see him put it into a repo somewhere, even if it's not ready) and it works like he's described, I think it would fulfill the json requirement nicely, so I like the idea of having another small/fast protocol available |
| [20:05:49] | sphery: | instead of doing mythproto in json and mythxml in json |
| [20:05:53] | xris: | yeah, would be nice to get it into a branch |
| [20:08:22] | xris: | kormoc: and make php-devel stuff a build requirement for the backend? |
| [20:08:40] | xris: | sounds like a lot of work if json works well enough for php and will be there already. |
| [20:08:43] | kormoc: | uhh |
| [20:08:58] | kormoc: | that project just dumps php objects. It doesn't require php afaik |
| [20:09:42] | xris: | ah, that could be cool, then. I thought it was a php extension |
| [20:10:16] | kormoc: | negative |
| [20:11:10] | xris: | no time to look right not. trying to work on a must-do project while fighting severe back pain from a pinched nerve. |
| [20:11:48] | sphery: | :( Get better (and good luck with the project) |
| [20:12:22] | xris: | thx. |
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| [20:17:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, sphery, I'd prefer json to protobuf for the simple reason that I can see the contents of json and we can still print out the full network request/response with "-v network,extra" |
| [20:18:45] | xris: | that's a good point |
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| [20:33:11] | justinh: | jees The Gadget Show has sunk to new lows. It's now even more like Top Gear |
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| [20:37:29] | ** xris likes top gear ** | |
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| [20:41:03] | ptriller: | Hi, I want to write a small python script for mythtv, is there a way to get information about the video (mpeg2/mpeg4, resolution ?) I didn't find anything in the wiki |
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| [20:41:28] | xris: | ptriller: it should be in the database |
| [20:41:48] | wagnerrp: | resolution will be, codecs wont |
| [20:42:04] | wagnerrp: | and ive not put anything in the bindings to make it easy to access that stuff either |
| [20:42:13] | ptriller: | well I can guess.. 720p is mpeg4 the rest is mpeg2, so no problem |
| [20:42:30] | wagnerrp: | thats not at all true |
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| [20:43:36] | ptriller: | not ? I thought hd channels were mpeg4 |
| [20:43:52] | wagnerrp: | they can be h264 |
| [20:44:07] | wagnerrp: | but 'mpeg4' typically means mpeg4 asp, which they certainly will not be |
| [20:44:12] | wagnerrp: | and they could just as likely be mpeg2 |
| [20:46:12] | xris: | ptriller: depends on how you get your HD. all of my HD stuff is mpeg2 |
| [20:46:12] | ptriller: | hmm, ok. How does mythtranscode figure out what it is, can I use that ? |
| [20:46:37] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode uses the libav* libraries to read and decode the video |
| [20:47:09] | wagnerrp: | you could use the System() call to run 'mythffmpeg -i <file>' and process the output to get the information you need |
| [20:48:42] | ptriller: | Ok, that sounds doable. Thanks |
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| [20:51:16] | skd5aner: | weird – http://www.pcworld.com/article/219700/Disposa . . . ?tk=rss_news |
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| [20:53:41] | cityLights: | hi all |
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| [20:53:59] | cityLights: | can I ask "how to run a full scan in dvb-c" here? |
| [20:54:17] | cityLights: | I googled about a prgram called w_scan |
| [20:54:29] | cityLights: | I know the symbol rate and the qam |
| [20:54:50] | justinh: | you can't do a full scan with dvb-c or dvb-s. you have to know an initial frequency to scan |
| [20:54:55] | justinh: | *with mythtv |
| [20:58:08] | cityLights: | I want to generate that famous channels.conf file |
| [20:59:03] | wagnerrp: | gah... i hate indian CSRs |
| [20:59:21] | cityLights: | hi wagnerrp , long time no c |
| [20:59:50] | wagnerrp: | 'youve been calling me for the past several days to tell me about the problem with my account, but when i pick up the phone, there is never anyone there' |
| [20:59:59] | wagnerrp: | 'do you want us to stop calling you?' |
| [21:00:19] | wagnerrp: | 'no, i want you to tell me why there is never anyone on the other end of the phone when i pick up' |
| [21:00:25] | skd5aner: | anyone know why jamu wouldn't download artwork for a TV series even when a manual override with the ttvdb id is entered in the conf file? |
| [21:00:33] | wagnerrp: | 'if you want, we can remove that number and only call on your cell phone' |
| [21:00:34] | wagnerrp: | ..... |
| [21:00:42] | uW: | lol |
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| [21:01:39] | wagnerrp: | paid my CC bill two weeks ago] |
| [21:01:47] | wagnerrp: | but apparently it never went through |
| [21:02:00] | wagnerrp: | and they were unable to contact me to let me know, because every time they call, the line is dead |
| [21:05:20] | justinh: | cityLights: nobody should be using a .conf file anymore anyway |
| [21:05:44] | justinh: | sure, to glean information to base a proper scan in mythtv-setup from but certainly not importing it |
| [21:06:03] | justinh: | and whoevers howto guide is still saying to import a channels.conf file is probably out of date |
| [21:06:34] | cityLights: | ok, so I dont need external programs – only mythtv? |
| [21:06:42] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [21:06:42] | justinh: | in theory |
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| [21:07:02] | cityLights: | I got the symbol rate its qam256 , must I have the frequency? |
| [21:07:41] | justinh: | yes |
| [21:07:49] | justinh: | didn't I make that clear before? |
| [21:08:06] | cityLights: | yes you did |
| [21:08:22] | cityLights: | so if I got all this info , – what does a scan mean |
| [21:08:29] | cityLights: | ? |
| [21:08:34] | justinh: | what do you mean, what does a scan mean? |
| [21:09:14] | cityLights: | in the analog world when I scan , I test each frequency to see if there is a signal there |
| [21:09:28] | cityLights: | how do I do that in the dvb-c world? |
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| [21:10:18] | cityLights: | ha? |
| [21:10:32] | cityLights: | well, I guess I need to google more |
| [21:10:56] | wagnerrp: | fffffffuuuuuuuuuccccc....... |
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| [21:11:25] | ** wagnerrp just snapped off the SATA data support on his boot drive ** | |
| [21:13:02] | laga_: | oh damn |
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| [21:15:22] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: heh, that happened to me on one of my drives... it still stuck in the cable, but surprisingly enough, it can still use the same cable if I side it on the pins really carefully – drive has worked that way for 4 years |
| [21:15:37] | skd5aner: | s/side/slide |
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| [21:16:53] | wagnerrp: | and i dont have any spare boards, because i snapped it off the other one too |
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| [21:17:27] | skd5aner: | So, I've had to enter several TV series as overrides in the jamu.conf and all have worked fine, except now I have one that won't work and it acts really weird... |
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| [21:18:03] | wagnerrp: | looks like im going to be reinstalling on a WD 320GB tonight |
| [21:18:06] | skd5aner: | Per the logs, it finds the series, finds that it has artwork, but then it never downloads it and spits out "tvdb Series not found(SportsNation)". It doesn't seem to make any sense – http://mythtv.pastebin.com/hJVjvPJm |
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| [21:21:09] | wagnerrp: | i find myself reinstalling because of snapped SATA connectors more than anything else |
| [21:22:20] | skd5aner: | geeze, how forceful are you? |
| [21:22:22] | sphery: | snapped the connector off the drive? like broke the drive so it's unusable? |
| [21:22:38] | sphery: | or off the controller card? |
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| [21:23:35] | wagnerrp: | snapped off the drive |
| [21:23:57] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: are the pins still attached or did they snap off with the plastic piece? |
| [21:23:59] | wagnerrp: | the only way i can get a reliable connection is through a hotswap bay or external caddy |
| [21:24:04] | wagnerrp: | pins are still there |
| [21:24:10] | sphery: | wow |
| [21:24:14] | wagnerrp: | im running off it by putting it in my new hotswap bay |
| [21:24:20] | skd5aner: | have you tried using the drive with the cable that has the piece stuck in it? |
| [21:24:21] | sphery: | and you replace them when this happens? |
| [21:24:24] | wagnerrp: | which means the hotswap bay is pointless because i cant remove the drive from it |
| [21:24:32] | skd5aner: | it'll still "hold" the pins in the right position? |
| [21:24:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what else am i going to do with them? |
| [21:24:44] | wagnerrp: | i cant very well use them normally |
| [21:24:49] | wagnerrp: | theyre too old for warranty |
| [21:24:55] | wagnerrp: | too small for worthwhile bulk storage |
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| [21:25:32] | sphery: | oh, I meant replace the connectors, but it seems you replace the drives |
| [21:25:34] | skd5aner: | like I said, I've got one drive I've been using like that for ~4 years |
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| [21:25:43] | wagnerrp: | how am i supposed to replace the connector? |
| [21:25:57] | wagnerrp: | closest i could do would be to replace the controller board on the back of the drive |
| [21:26:04] | skd5aner: | Plastic piece is snapped off in the SATA cable end, and I just slip it over the pins... works just the same |
| [21:26:17] | wagnerrp: | tape the cable in place? |
| [21:26:28] | skd5aner: | it holds in place without issue |
| [21:26:38] | skd5aner: | what would cause it to slip off? |
| [21:26:53] | wagnerrp: | sliding the 3.5" tray into the case |
| [21:26:58] | skd5aner: | the plastic piece provides enough friction to not slide off the pins |
| [21:27:19] | skd5aner: | so your drive connects directly to the plug or is there a cable involved? |
| [21:27:28] | skd5aner: | (for hotswap) |
| [21:27:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah, the how was going to be my next question |
| [21:28:51] | kormoc: | sphery, 760k? That's like 2 window managers! |
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| [21:29:16] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, ok, I stand corrected--symvis is critical, we must use it on all platforms |
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| [21:34:44] | skd5aner: | WHOA! Google index my pastebin from 20 mins ago. When I searched " |
| [21:34:44] | skd5aner: | tvdb Series not found" it came up on the first page! |
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| [21:36:13] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: for SATA hotswap, the drive connects directly to the plug on the backplane |
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| [21:36:45] | skd5aner: | well, can you jam (or is the broken piece) already jammed into the plug? |
| [21:37:03] | skd5aner: | I mean, you could always remove remove it with a needlenose plier |
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| [21:41:42] | wagnerrp: | success! |
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| [21:45:22] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: my suggestion? |
| [21:46:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, put the broken piece back on the drive |
| [21:46:37] | wagnerrp: | plugged it in |
| [21:46:48] | wagnerrp: | that provided enough stability for the metal retention clip on the cable to work |
| [21:49:23] | wagnerrp: | seems i broke my door |
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| [23:00:04] | justinh: | ooo bad Tivo. http://www.reghardware.com/2011/02/15/tivo_to . . . uk_set_tops/ |
| [23:00:48] | kormoc: | justinh, they're just taking a page from myth! With the XvMC kill off.... |
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| [23:01:39] | justinh: | heh |
| [23:01:53] | justinh: | and the eventual Xv kill off |
| [23:01:54] | kwmonroe (kwmonroe!~kwmonroe@32.97.110.64) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| [23:02:22] | kormoc: | Indeed! |
| [23:05:20] | mishehu_ is now known as mishehu | |
| [23:06:20] | iamlindoro: | Shhhh! We'll never be able to spring it on the users in advance of doing it by like a year, to a chorus of how rushed it feels, if you keep blabbing in channel |
| [23:06:39] | iamlindoro: | I mean Xv is only 20ish years old, it's got LOADS of life left in it |
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| [23:07:34] | justinh: | somebody'll counter that argyment by stating how old opengl is :P |
| [23:07:50] | iamlindoro: | Exactly-- they can just move to that for their old technology needs ;) |
| [23:08:28] | iamlindoro: | And if Xv were capable of 1/100th of what you can do with GL, we wouldn't be talking about scrapping it |
| [23:08:56] | iamlindoro: | Xv never made anything rotate on a cube, I'll have you know |
| [23:08:58] | iamlindoro: | nor combust |
| [23:09:00] | justinh: | my take on it is – I don't care so long as it doesn't affect me ;-) |
| [23:09:01] | iamlindoro: | case closed |
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| [23:09:19] | sphery: | kormoc: if MythTV works properly for 9 years after we stop development, I'd consider that an amazing feat |
| [23:09:30] | sphery: | kormoc: considering they stopped selling those 9 years ago |
| [23:09:45] | justinh: | nobody ever said those tivos never had to be reloaded |
| [23:09:46] | sphery: | don't see why people are so upset over this |
| [23:09:58] | justinh: | psst – tivo owners are special |
| [23:10:00] | sphery: | lifetime of the hardware for subscription, right? |
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| [23:10:05] | justinh: | believe me I used to work with one |
| [23:10:26] | iamlindoro: | I used to work with a guy who wrote the unofficial tivo manual |
| [23:10:34] | iamlindoro: | and whose license plate was "Tivoguy" |
| [23:10:35] | iamlindoro: | top that |
| [23:10:58] | justinh: | don't play top trumps in IRC ;-) |
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| [23:11:18] | iamlindoro: | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764543369 |
| [23:11:23] | iamlindoro: | That fella right there |
| [23:11:50] | iamlindoro: | what a goof |
| [23:12:19] | sphery: | wow, amazing how many people feel the lack of Please Wait is the worst thing to happen to MythTV since sliced captions |
| [23:12:36] | sphery: | especially considering a lot of us never got it before the changes |
| [23:12:45] | ** sphery assumes only the slow systems ever saw it ** | |
| [23:12:53] | iamlindoro: | And given the MASSIVE playback start speedup taht precipitated it |
| [23:13:02] | sphery: | perhaps it's actually necessary on Atom hardware |
| [23:13:05] | sphery: | :) |
| [23:13:10] | iamlindoro: | I said the other day, it's like winning a free mansion and complaining about the ugly drapes |
| [23:13:33] | sphery: | I press play and don't see a Please Wait screen, then playback starts on my Atom system 25s later... |
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| [23:13:39] | sphery: | agreed |
| [23:14:17] | Beirdo: | I think the mailing lists will be getting a pruning of borked emails soon ;) |
| [23:14:28] | Beirdo: | or at least have their delivery shut off |
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| [23:17:33] | sphery: | Unhelpful: Any chance you know which revision of 0.24-fixes you were using when you tried to create your initial DB and it failed? |
| [23:17:41] | sphery: | Unhelpful: I'm unable to reproduce the failure |
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| [23:38:04] | JEDIDIAH___: | any thoughts on changing filename.filemarkup to something that can be indexed? |
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| [23:42:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: any idea if anyone (Intel and ATI video users) still need to set LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT to get a GUI in mythtv? |
| [23:43:01] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH___: it's in the works |
| [23:43:15] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH___: complete change to all of recorded and mythvideo data storage |
| [23:44:00] | JEDIDIAH___: | cool. |
| [23:44:39] | JEDIDIAH___: | I think I am going to have about 10M rows in that table after I'm done processing my video collection. |
| [23:44:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm thinking that since I haven't had to tell anyone to do that for ages, it's no longer required... If it is required, it means anyone doing so will use the Qt painter if I commit the auto-detect direct-rendering and set theme painter appropriately patch. |
| [23:44:56] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH___: yeah, for you the change will make a nice difference in DB size |
| [23:45:05] | sphery: | mythvideo portion will probably happen first, too |
| [23:45:15] | JEDIDIAH___: | I don't mind size so much as response time. |
| [23:45:45] | sphery: | I just need to figure out what overlapping tv/movie metadata we have in tv and video tables so I can break that out, then i can start the conversion |
| [23:46:36] | JEDIDIAH___: | the recorder being aware of what's in mythvideo would be most cool. |
| [23:47:35] | sphery: | yeah, that will be much easier with the new schema |
| [23:51:13] | k-man: | is there some way to make a key that will set group view filter to a specific group? |
| [23:51:20] | k-man: | recording group that is |
| [23:52:56] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH___: we do have an index on filemarkup.filename, but it will become a much easier to index one |
| [23:58:25] | sphery: | k-man: there's TV Frontend|CHANGERECGROUP to pop up the dialog. There's TV Frontend|PAGELEFT and PAGERIGHT to go to the previous/next group in the list. |
| [23:58:55] | sphery: | k-man: I /think/ there's a way to have the Watch Recordings screen start in a particular group, but I don't remember how |
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