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| [00:09:51] | StevenR: | I have some DVDs stored as images... How do I play these? I tried copying one into the videos dir, but mythfrontend just complains about /dev/dvd not openable. (there's no optical drive, so no surprise)... how do I make it accept DVD images? |
| [00:10:24] | StevenR: | I'd prefer not to have to re-import/rip all my dvds again! :) |
| [00:10:25] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
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| [00:11:11] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: 0.23.1+fixes26437–0ubuntu1 |
| [00:11:39] | wagnerrp: | are these unencrypted? or straight rips using 'dd'? |
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| [00:11:55] | StevenR: | VLC plays these images just fine |
| [00:12:15] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: they're still encrypted, dd/brasero images |
| [00:12:53] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 only supports ISOs on local storage |
| [00:13:04] | StevenR: | ? |
| [00:13:06] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 supports ISOs on storage groups, but only unencrypted ones |
| [00:13:26] | wagnerrp: | for encrypted ISOs, you will need to use local storage |
| [00:13:55] | StevenR: | what do you mean "ISOs on local storage" ... they're on the same disk as the front/backend |
| [00:14:07] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are content streamed from the backend and defined in mythtv-setup |
| [00:14:33] | StevenR: | alternatively, can I automate the ripping with myth? |
| [00:14:43] | wagnerrp: | local storage is accessed directly by the frontend, and defined in mythfontend |
| [00:14:52] | StevenR: | ahhh |
| [00:14:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not currently have DVD ripping support |
| [00:15:08] | StevenR: | there's a menu option :S |
| [00:15:28] | wagnerrp: | in 0.23, yes... but it doesnt work well |
| [00:15:42] | wagnerrp: | it was removed in 0.24 as it was outdated, and broken |
| [00:16:19] | StevenR: | ok. so I need to use something else to script the ripping, and just move them into the videos dir afterwards? |
| [00:16:55] | adub_: | wagnerrp where should i check to see if audio is setup properly in mythtv |
| [00:17:22] | wagnerrp: | adub_: never used a framegrabber, i couldnt tell you how to set it up |
| [00:17:39] | adub_: | framegrabber is for live tv |
| [00:18:40] | wagnerrp: | does your card actually do audio capture? or are you doing passthrough to a sound card? |
| [00:19:13] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: so I need to use something else to script the ripping, and just move them into the videos dir afterwards? |
| [00:19:35] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what to suggest for linux |
| [00:19:47] | wagnerrp: | a lot of people use handbrake |
| [00:19:51] | wagnerrp: | ive never ripped dvds on linux |
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| [00:20:28] | StevenR: | that's ok... I'm not asking for help with the specifics of the ripping, just if that's what I need to do :) |
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| [00:27:34] | adub_: | not sure i have never used this card |
| [00:29:18] | adub_: | i had it given to me years ago and tucked it away in a drawer ever since just got it out |
| [00:30:03] | adub_: | 03:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [00:30:03] | adub_: | 03:07.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [00:30:17] | adub_: | ya lol i suppose it will capture both |
| [00:33:28] | adub_: | WinTV Go-Plus (Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture) |
| [00:33:31] | adub_: | there is more info |
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| [00:52:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...for DVDs I just use the dumpstream option in mplayer. |
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| [00:52:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | temporary stuff stays as vobs and stuff I want to keep is converted with a script |
| [00:52:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | handbrake is nice but it's not automated enough. |
| [00:55:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | bt878 is a bit of a relic. something like a PVR150 would be more useful but even that is discontinued due to the digital switch. |
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| [00:59:37] | adub: | i heard it is best to use xV linux driver with ati based capture cards |
| [01:00:00] | adub: | how can i force my card to try to use this card |
| [01:00:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | a capture card would be using video for linux (v4L( |
| [01:00:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | a capture card would be using video for linux (v4L) |
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| [01:02:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | not sure about linux support for ati capture cards though. |
| [01:02:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | back in the day "no ati" logos were popular. |
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| [01:05:51] | adub_: | this card is back in 2000 its older pci card |
| [01:06:00] | adub_: | i found a post that could prove promising |
| [01:07:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | back when dinosaurs ruled the earth, the bttv driver was used for the 878/879s. Then there's the i2c driver and whatever you need for the tuner. |
| [01:07:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | everything should be autodetected and loaded by the kernel these days. |
| [01:08:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | this is not really a good card for mythtv but should be OK for other capture duties. there's nothing for the analog tuner to tune into these days anymore. |
| [01:09:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | you will end up with huge files that are completely uncompressed. |
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| [01:16:29] | Newbuntu81: | I finally got my HVR 2250 analog card drivers compiled and it is using it. However, I have a blue screen and channel scan didn't find anything. Anyone have any tips? |
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| [01:20:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | analog is dead. what are you trying to feed this card, output from a cable box? |
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| [01:21:11] | Newbuntu81: | Analog cable...from cable provider through coax. |
| [01:21:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | just tune it to whatever channel the cable box is using. |
| [01:21:45] | Newbuntu81: | I don't have a cable box. |
| [01:22:40] | Newbuntu81: | I thought i had read that some got at least one of the two tuners to work with myth...in analog mode (via coax). |
| [01:24:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | since it's analog, you should be able to tune directly to any valid channel. Just pick one that you know has usable stuff on it. |
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| [01:27:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | you should be able to open up that device in something like xawtv and just flip through the channels. although I haven't tried it with that particular card. I used to do that with my old bt878 card. |
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| [01:27:55] | adub_: | for analog tv what card has the best picture quality |
| [01:28:46] | Newbuntu81: | Jedidiah: So you're saying that the newest driver for the 2250 won't allow the card to tune in the channel itself--and that i'd have to use the composite (AV) cables from a cable box or vcr tuner to feed it? |
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| [01:32:02] | Newbuntu81: | Does Kaffeine allow you to view (test) analog stations the same way that xawtv does? |
| [01:32:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...on the subject of DVD ripping. Apparently Slysoft's transcoder is build on mencoder. |
| [01:32:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | if you have composite AV cables, then that would probably give you a cleaner signal anyway. |
| [01:32:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | dunno about that driver. |
| [01:33:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | The last time I messed with analog cable, XawTV was a new and happening thing. |
| [01:34:46] | adub_: | is there a windows frontend to watch tv on my windows laptop |
| [01:35:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes there's a windows version of mythfrontend. |
| [01:35:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can also just play the files directly. |
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| [01:36:48] | adub_: | what frontend would you recommend |
| [01:36:59] | adub_: | maybe the video will come through better on my laptop |
| [01:37:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | I would just use something like mythrename and a samba share. |
| [01:37:54] | adub_: | i want to watch live tv |
| [01:38:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | good luck with that. |
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| [01:42:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | live tv is a dubious prospect in general, even if you are running on Linux. |
| [01:43:17] | skd5aner: | * sometimes |
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| [01:45:57] | adub_: | oh so basically use myth to record tv and that is it |
| [01:46:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | yup. |
| [01:46:23] | adub_: | will picture clarity be good and what not |
| [01:46:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | what -v options should I use for sorting out live tv? |
| [01:46:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | suddenly, it just crashes the frontends when I try to start live tv. |
| [01:47:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | It was kind of working before but now just doesn't at all. |
| [01:47:13] | adub_: | i have a remote stream working from my latop |
| [01:47:22] | adub_: | but its slow crappy and keeps buffering, lol |
| [01:47:29] | Newbuntu81: | that's why tv's now have multiple inputs...LOL. if you want to watch live tv, watch it on the tv itself. if you want to watch a recording, use the computer to project on the tv. |
| [01:47:53] | skd5aner: | JEDIDIAH__: what version are you running? |
| [01:47:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | 0.23 |
| [01:48:06] | skd5aner: | -v playback |
| [01:48:16] | Newbuntu81: | Jedidiah: what OS? |
| [01:48:40] | skd5aner: | adub_: you can use Live TV in mythtv, I do... it doesn't always play nice though |
| [01:48:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | Ubuntu 10.04 |
| [01:48:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | backend & frontend |
| [01:49:16] | Newbuntu81: | Ah. I started at the newest, 10.10 |
| [01:49:26] | skd5aner: | adub_: I used it less than 5% of the time, but I hate it when it doens't work correctly – like right now the version of fixes I'm running seems to have some issues that might have been resolved in the last few days for watching live tv |
| [01:49:50] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, whats the full version you are on? |
| [01:50:26] | skd5aner: | Newbuntu81: for me, switching the cable STB isn't really an option since I use it connected to and HD-PVR and the mythbackend has control of it |
| [01:51:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | mythfrontend version: tags/release-0–23 [0.23] www.mythtv.org |
| [01:51:24] | skd5aner: | JEDIDIAH__: mythfrontend --version |
| [01:52:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | MythTV Version : 0.23 |
| [01:52:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | MythTV Branch : tags/release-0–23 |
| [01:52:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | Network Protocol : 56 |
| [01:52:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | Library API : 0.23.20100429–1 |
| [01:52:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | QT Version : 4.5.2 |
| [01:52:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | Options compiled in: |
| [01:52:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | linux release using_oss using_alsa using_pulse using_pulseoutput using_backend using_directfb using_dvb using_frontend using_hdhomerun using_hdpvr using_iptv using_ivtv using_joystick_menu using_lirc using_mheg using_opengl_video using_opengl_vsync using_qtdbus using_qtwebkit using_v4l using_x11 using_xrandr using_xv using_xvmc using_xvmc_vld using_xvmcw using_bindings_perl using_bindings_python using_opengl using_ffmpeg_threads us |
| [01:52:05] | skd5aner: | JEDIDIAH__: you using a package or dod you install yourself? |
| [01:52:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | ing_live using_mheg |
| [01:52:18] | skd5aner: | because that's 0.23 release, it's not even fixes |
| [01:52:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes. I built the tarball release. |
| [01:52:55] | skd5aner: | You should be leveraging 0.23-fixes at the bare minimum... and I'd recommend upgrading to 0.24-fixes |
| [01:55:19] | skd5aner: | lots of broken stuff that's gotten fixed |
| [01:55:39] | Newbuntu81: | just create an image first...LOL |
| [01:55:44] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, yea you need to upgrade using the mythtv-updates repo provided by the mythbuntu team |
| [01:55:45] | Newbuntu81: | i'd be afraid of breaking something |
| [01:56:21] | skd5aner: | use the built in db backup tool, which also runs when you upgrade |
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| [01:56:52] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
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| [02:02:05] | skd5aner: | if you upgrade, make sure you uninstall your old libraries, or you'll probably see issues |
| [02:05:16] | Newbuntu81: | if i wanted to see at the command prompt (terminal) what video devices it sees and their port (i.e. dvb/video01), what command would i use? |
| [02:05:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have a self contained setup. very easy to cleanup. |
| [02:05:46] | Newbuntu81: | I'm familiar with the dmesg | grep lspci , grep lsusb, grep video commands... |
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| [02:07:42] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
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| [02:08:06] | wagnerrp: | barely |
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| [02:08:26] | ekristen: | quick question |
| [02:08:45] | ekristen: | can I used the 0.25 bindings with 0.24? or is there no backwards compatibility? |
| [02:08:59] | kormoc: | no, you have to use the bindings that ship with the backend |
| [02:11:52] | ekristen: | kormoc: I figured as much ;) |
| [02:12:16] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, there havent been any significant changes since |
| [02:12:24] | wagnerrp: | so it wouldnt be difficult to adapt it back |
| [02:13:05] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: thanks, I'll take a look, again I appreciate all the assistance you've given me with my little project ;) |
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| [02:43:52] | adub_: | what is the best card to get for mythtv |
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| [02:48:17] | kormoc: | adub_, which ever is best for you |
| [02:48:27] | adub_: | lol |
| [02:48:39] | adub_: | i think probably my card is old and crappy |
| [02:48:44] | adub_: | the video quality is poor |
| [02:49:23] | kormoc: | there really isn't any answer to that as it really depends on your wallet and your sources/goals |
| [02:49:36] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [02:49:36] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [02:50:22] | sphery: | but if your video quality is poor, that likely means you're using analog capture, and if that's the case, the "best tuner" would be anything that's not a frame grabber |
| [02:50:41] | sphery: | so, get a real hardware encoder, like the Hauppauge PVR-150 or HVR-1600 or HVR-2250 or whatever |
| [02:51:07] | sphery: | (noting, though, that 2250 requires /very/ new kernel/driver support, so will be a bit more challenging than others) |
| [02:54:19] | adub_: | im going to watch youtube videos on myth setups i guess to see quality |
| [02:55:04] | adub_: | sphery thanks a ton now those are dvb correct |
| [02:56:07] | sphery: | all the Hauppauge cards I mentioned have analog capture, but the 1600 and 2250 also have ATSC digital tuners |
| [02:56:50] | sphery: | the information at the tuners link contains information on ATSC/QAM/DVB cards as well as analog capture cards (but has information about frame grabbers as well as hardware encoders) |
| [02:57:12] | adub_: | sphery thanks but all i get is basic cable channels |
| [02:58:11] | adub_: | but your saying the atsc digital tuner cards will still record those better |
| [02:58:31] | sphery: | no, saying hardware encoders for analog are better than frame grabbers |
| [02:58:53] | sphery: | if you don't have digital channels available, the digital tuners would be useless |
| [02:59:04] | adub_: | thats what i was thinking |
| [02:59:05] | sphery: | but the other half, the analog encoder, would be useful |
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| [02:59:17] | sphery: | where are you in the world? |
| [02:59:29] | adub_: | usa arkansas |
| [02:59:52] | sphery: | then your cable co may have some unencrypted QAM channels on the line |
| [03:00:11] | adub_: | what are qam channels i think they do i seen a small listing |
| [03:00:13] | sphery: | and if so, a QAM tuner would be able to tune them and record the unaltered digital stream |
| [03:00:21] | sphery: | which would be the best quality you could get |
| [03:00:27] | adub_: | oh |
| [03:00:38] | adub_: | my tv quality on the analog is super good though |
| [03:00:42] | sphery: | but if any of it's encrypted, that won't be available with a QAM card and you'll need an analog encoder |
| [03:00:53] | adub_: | there isnt a card that would be able to output as nice as the sony tv i have? |
| [03:00:55] | sphery: | what card do you have, now, for capure? |
| [03:01:14] | adub_: | one sec |
| [03:01:17] | adub_: | ill tell ya |
| [03:01:52] | adub_: | 03:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [03:02:10] | sphery: | yeah, a BT878 is a frame grabber |
| [03:02:16] | adub_: | 03:07.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [03:02:30] | adub_: | and frame grabbers are just analog capture cards |
| [03:02:49] | adub_: | im pretty sure all i get is analog basic cable |
| [03:02:59] | sphery: | they just grab an image and leave it up to the application to do with it what they want |
| [03:03:07] | adub_: | oh |
| [03:03:30] | adub_: | so a dvb card like the pvr-150 you mentioned would be optimal |
| [03:03:36] | sphery: | a hardware encoder actually encodes the video and audio to an MPEG stream |
| [03:03:37] | adub_: | as far as providing picture quality |
| [03:03:46] | sphery: | PVR-150 is analog encoder only |
| [03:03:52] | adub_: | ahh i just had an ah ha moment |
| [03:04:08] | sphery: | HVR-1600 is one analog encoder and one atsc/qam digital tuner |
| [03:04:22] | adub_: | pvr-150 is probably what i need then though |
| [03:04:23] | sphery: | and HVR-2250 is 2x2 |
| [03:04:29] | adub_: | i have a few digital channels though |
| [03:04:37] | adub_: | but not a lot just the free ones they let through |
| [03:04:48] | wagnerrp: | '2x2'? |
| [03:05:04] | sphery: | PVR-150 can't be manufactured or imported to the US, thanks to the FCC protecting you from being duped since it doesn't have digital TV support |
| [03:05:09] | sphery: | but you can find them on ebay, etc |
| [03:05:21] | sphery: | or you can just get an HVR-1600 and not use the digital side |
| [03:05:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: isn't it 2 digital and 2 analog? |
| [03:05:38] | wagnerrp: | 2 hybrid tuners |
| [03:05:43] | wagnerrp: | not 4 separate |
| [03:05:51] | sphery: | ah |
| [03:06:00] | sphery: | is the 1600 2 separate or 1 hybrid? |
| [03:06:05] | wagnerrp: | one pair of tuner and encoder can only be used for one purpose at a time |
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| [03:06:14] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 is two separate, one analog, one digital |
| [03:06:22] | adub_: | will pvr-150 do ntsc you say not imported to the US |
| [03:06:38] | sphery: | pvr-150 is ntsc only |
| [03:06:44] | jams: | sphery- when restoring a group of settings, should it leave any new settings intact or should it be considered a point in time restore such that any new settings will be removed? |
| [03:06:46] | wagnerrp: | the pvr-150 was never 'imported' |
| [03:06:48] | sphery: | fcc stopped hauppauge from selling it since it's not atsc |
| [03:06:59] | wagnerrp: | but since 2006 (?) it can no longer be produced |
| [03:07:12] | wagnerrp: | you cannot produce an analog tuner that is not also capable of ATSC |
| [03:07:25] | jams: | sphery- i have convinced myself that either one is valid |
| [03:07:29] | sphery: | jams: heh, good question |
| [03:07:31] | wagnerrp: | while they could strip off the tuner and just sell an encoder board... they dont |
| [03:07:35] | sphery: | yeah, I can see it going either way |
| [03:07:50] | sphery: | removing all settings and restoring the saved ones would give you defaults for new settings, which makes sense |
| [03:08:00] | sphery: | but some might argue, "well, I set that and I wanted it that way" |
| [03:08:03] | jams: | correct |
| [03:08:14] | sphery: | but I would counter-argue, "but you said to restore to the state from before you set that" |
| [03:08:18] | jams: | those are my two sides of the coin |
| [03:08:38] | wagnerrp: | wow... 35W idle == 126 euro |
| [03:08:39] | sphery: | I'd think that removing all and restoring the saved ones only (and getting defaults for the rest) would be the principle of least surprise |
| [03:08:44] | wagnerrp: | those are some excessive power rates |
| [03:09:00] | kormoc: | jams, sphery, My vote is remove all and restore |
| [03:09:07] | sphery: | that way, users don't need to know when a setting was added |
| [03:09:17] | jams: | works for me |
| [03:09:35] | sphery: | jams: cool, so with kormoc's vote, that makes 2 supporting that way, so you can officially call it "popular demand" and say it was out of your hands :) |
| [03:09:38] | jams: | i will leave the code todo the merge present but commented |
| [03:10:02] | jams: | it's all of 4 lines, but could produce very different results |
| [03:10:09] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:10:27] | wagnerrp: | oh f-- you FOX |
| [03:10:33] | jams: | back to testing |
| [03:10:41] | sphery: | funny ones will be the ones where DB schema updates fix/change settings |
| [03:11:04] | wagnerrp: | theyve got a ticker that they have reached an agreement with directtv, and directtv users can now access their broadcasts over satellite |
| [03:11:06] | adub_: | so moving from a framegrabber to an encoder would improve video quality a lot |
| [03:11:20] | wagnerrp: | well no f----- sh-- |
| [03:11:36] | sphery: | so when they save settings, then a DB schema update fixes something, then they re-apply, it could cause issues--unless you're just saving with made-up hostnames in the normal settings table or unless we actively fix the saved settings |
| [03:11:43] | wagnerrp: | clearly if theyre watching the channel to see the ticker, they realize that they can now watch the channel, and dont need a ticker to tell them so |
| [03:11:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what, and as a non-DirecTV subscriber, you don't find this important? |
| [03:12:09] | jams: | sphery- yeah i bet the chances of that are pretty low |
| [03:12:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: after all, they're obviously not telling the DirecTV users--who would know they can watch it since they're watching it |
| [03:13:29] | adub_: | so ditch the framegrabber and get a good encoder |
| [03:13:35] | wagnerrp: | absolutely! |
| [03:14:24] | sphery: | +1 |
| [03:15:05] | adub_: | cool |
| [03:15:13] | adub_: | what remote would you guys recommend |
| [03:16:28] | adub_: | someone sent me a link to a cool looking one on newegg but i lost the link |
| [03:17:04] | jams: | i like the streamzap |
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| [03:25:44] | adub_: | sphery so the 1600 is very compatible with the mythtv and linux like will detect out of box and what not |
| [03:26:28] | sphery: | heh, I make no promises |
| [03:26:53] | adub_: | was just curious you said you liked those |
| [03:26:58] | adub_: | which card do you use |
| [03:27:01] | sphery: | I will only say that it will work well once properly installed/configured |
| [03:27:19] | sphery: | I have some old ATSC cards that I wouldn't recommend to anyone' |
| [03:27:23] | sphery: | not doing any analog capture |
| [03:27:35] | adub_: | now the data sites |
| [03:27:51] | sphery: | but when I did, it was with PVR-x50's (and the HVR-1600 is basically a PVR-150 + an ATSC tuner) |
| [03:27:57] | adub_: | where you get channel line up will those display the digital channels in the online guide |
| [03:28:47] | sphery: | you specify which channels you have in your Schedules Direct lineup. Then you set up MythTV Video Sources to represent the unique list of channels available to various inputs |
| [03:29:05] | sphery: | so, you tell it which channels you get and it won't download or display information about the others |
| [03:29:42] | adub_: | ya i have schedules direct |
| [03:30:07] | adub_: | so there is a chance some of the channels off schedules direct will be digital |
| [03:30:27] | adub_: | in my programming guide |
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| [03:37:04] | sphery: | they have the digital channels available if you need them |
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| [03:37:53] | sphery: | so if you got an HVR-1600 (which is PCI, btw, not PCIe), and find you can get some channels via QAM, you'll be able to use the digital side, too |
| [03:38:11] | sphery: | adub_: also, note that you're only likely to be able to get the local channels via unencrypted QAM |
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| [03:41:45] | adub_: | but those will show up in the schedules direct listing |
| [03:43:04] | adub_: | has anyone used mvpmc not trying to get off topic but was wondering if this frontend was supported by windows |
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| [05:08:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: able to put in a stab at the ARM and Atom backends people are trying to run in the Myth vs. MCE thread |
| [05:13:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yours seems to get the point across |
| [05:14:12] | sphery: | nice post |
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| [05:26:55] | ** wagnerrp remains baffled by mythtv's event system ** | |
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| [05:47:45] | ** skd5aner looks around for life ** | |
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| [05:48:02] | wagnerrp: | !seen life |
| [05:48:02] | MythLogBot: | life was last seen 226 days 3 hours 23 minutes 2 seconds ago |
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| [05:52:12] | kormoc: | !seen self respect |
| [05:52:12] | MythLogBot: | self respect has not been seen here |
| [05:52:20] | wagnerrp: | ooh, spaces |
| [05:52:33] | wagnerrp: | !seen kormoc's marbles |
| [05:52:33] | MythLogBot: | kormoc's marbles has not been seen here |
| [05:52:48] | kormoc: | Oh what can of worms have I opened? |
| [05:53:28] | wagnerrp: | !seen open can of worms |
| [05:53:29] | MythLogBot: | open can of worms has not been seen here |
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| [05:53:36] | wagnerrp: | looks like none |
| [05:53:52] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:56:31] | rajendrau: | I have added "EventCmdRecStarted /usr/local/test.sh HANID% %STARTTIME% %PROGSTARTISOUTC% %PROGENDISOUTC%" in settings table. But test.sh is not getting invoked at the start of recording. How to fix this |
| [05:56:55] | wagnerrp: | stop tinkering in the database |
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| [05:57:17] | rajendrau: | restartded mythbackend also |
| [05:57:37] | wagnerrp: | theres a nice GUI to set that stuff in mythtv-setup |
| [05:59:49] | rajendrau: | but from the myth interface we can't add new entry to mythtv settings right |
| [06:00:22] | wagnerrp: | the interface in mythtv-setup is how you set those commands for the current host |
| [06:00:54] | kormoc: | I can't believe that HANID% and %PROGSTARTISOUTC% %PROGENDISOUTC% are correctly spelled |
| [06:01:01] | skd5aner: | er... should have said "signs of life" |
| [06:01:22] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the latter two are correct |
| [06:01:28] | kormoc: | ahh, ISO UTC |
| [06:01:33] | wagnerrp: | PROGSTART/END, and then the string format |
| [06:01:34] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [06:01:50] | kormoc: | I was reading it as Prog Startis Outc |
| [06:01:51] | rajendrau: | @kormoc it was HANID% |
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| [06:02:00] | rajendrau: | CHANID |
| [06:02:17] | wagnerrp: | what was the EXACT command you used to insert it into the database |
| [06:02:32] | wagnerrp: | because that string as above wont do a thing |
| [06:03:23] | wagnerrp: | presumably you added it improperly, which is why you shouldnt be adding it manually in the first place, but using the GUI |
| [06:04:28] | rajendrau: | INSERT INTO `settings` (value, data, hostname) VALUES |
| [06:04:30] | rajendrau: | ('EventCmdRecStarted', '/usr/local/test.sh %CHANID% %STARTTIME% %PROGSTARTISOUTC% %PROGENDISOUTC%', 'hst''); |
| [06:04:46] | sphery: | why, again, couldn't you use mythtv-setup to add the event handler? |
| [06:04:54] | sphery: | or event command |
| [06:05:32] | rajendrau: | yet, but didn't add that while setup |
| [06:05:51] | rajendrau: | hence trying to add these events now this way |
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| [06:07:46] | wagnerrp: | that didnt error from an unterminated quote? |
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| [06:09:54] | rajendrau: | i have inserted using php-myadmin. No issues with insertion (No '' after hst. Its only single ' |
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| [06:10:45] | sphery: | can you go into mythtv-setup and see what it says for the Recording Started event command? |
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| [06:13:41] | rajendrau: | In mythtv interface, MythTV -> Setting Table page it displays the entry correctly |
| [06:13:46] | rajendrau: | but not getting called |
| [06:14:05] | wagnerrp: | setting table page? |
| [06:14:10] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about mythweb? |
| [06:14:33] | wagnerrp: | mythtv itself has no screen anywhere that gives direct access to the settings table |
| [06:14:52] | sphery: | you can use SSH X forwarding if you need to to run mythtv-setup |
| [06:14:53] | rajendrau: | Its available in Mythweb |
| [06:14:58] | sphery: | ssh -Y host |
| [06:15:05] | sphery: | then just run mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [06:15:29] | kormoc: | I wonder if we should make that smart |
| [06:15:38] | kormoc: | automatically pick QT if we're tunneling via ssh |
| [06:15:42] | sphery: | that would be great |
| [06:15:46] | sphery: | how can we detect? |
| [06:15:49] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: what for? opengl works just fine tunneled over ssh |
| [06:15:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but slower |
| [06:16:30] | sphery: | especially if the display doesn't have good opengl access |
| [06:16:47] | kormoc: | sphery, SSH_CONNECTION, SSH_TTY or SSH_CLIENT? X display offset of :10 or higher? |
| [06:16:48] | sphery: | like the 2s or whatever the timeout is for each animated transition when you move the cursor |
| [06:16:59] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, cool |
| [06:17:32] | sphery: | or maybe just have markk do up some fance opengl test that determines if the display is fast enough for opengl UI, then just use opengl UI if it is |
| [06:17:34] | wagnerrp: | could we detect if the rendering library is MESA, and disable according to that? |
| [06:17:37] | sphery: | (and get rid of the setting) |
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| [06:17:50] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, aye, that'd be better IMHO |
| [06:18:04] | kormoc: | which we could also use to dump the setting |
| [06:18:05] | sphery: | there has to be some way to do a quick opengl perf test, too |
| [06:18:11] | wagnerrp: | pretty much any hardware accelerated opengl can run the UI |
| [06:18:21] | kormoc: | sphery, if the rendering lib is not hardware accelerated, default to qt? |
| [06:18:23] | sphery: | agreed |
| [06:18:26] | wagnerrp: | the renderer is more difficult |
| [06:18:28] | wagnerrp: | but not the UI |
| [06:18:42] | sphery: | yeah, the video renderer should stay a setting |
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| [06:18:53] | sphery: | with 2 options, opengl and vdpau ;) |
| [06:19:24] | sphery: | says a guy whose GF 7200 can't do good opengl rendering at timestretch with deint and OSD |
| [06:19:30] | sphery: | it's like a slide show |
| [06:20:01] | sphery: | gotta play with nvidia-settings because I think I can improve it some |
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| [06:20:13] | sphery: | also should get someone who has it working to give me the secret playback profile sauce |
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| [06:20:22] | sphery: | so I can put in a couple of example opengl ones |
| [06:20:57] | sphery: | since right now we basically have Xv examples and I want to be dumping that :) |
| [06:21:16] | sphery: | (plus vdpau, but nothing for non-vdpau, non-Xv |
| [06:21:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, even my ancient laptop with Rage128 graphics seems to run the UI well enough at 1600x1200 |
| [06:22:47] | wagnerrp: | (using opengl) |
| [06:23:08] | sphery: | oh, yeah, UI works fine for me |
| [06:23:12] | sphery: | it's just video that's an issue |
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| [06:23:44] | sphery: | but I think you were just providing support for your "if it's software OpenGL, disable; otherwise, enable" approach |
| [06:23:45] | wagnerrp: | im saying for UI, remove the setting, and only revert to qt if MESA is found |
| [06:23:49] | sphery: | all caught up now |
| [06:23:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:23:53] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:23:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:24:04] | sphery: | we should ask markk how best to detect that |
| [06:24:14] | sphery: | (meaning where at in the startup process) |
| [06:24:25] | wagnerrp: | we could... grep the output of xdpyinfo... |
| [06:24:26] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [06:24:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:24:44] | sphery: | just throw a qprocess call in there, right? |
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| [06:25:12] | wagnerrp: | no no, we need some custom fork/execv code, with pipes |
| [06:25:20] | wagnerrp: | or better, dump it to a file and read the file |
| [06:25:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that would work well |
| [06:25:28] | sphery: | seems we scared rajendrau off |
| [06:26:02] | sphery: | I was just about to tell him that without seeing what the UI sees--the UI that knows how the data should be structured, etc--it's hard to tell what's going on |
| [06:26:39] | sphery: | did he say he restarted the backend? |
| [06:26:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:26:59] | sphery: | ok, so it's not just a mythbackend --clearcache he needed |
| [06:27:20] | sphery: | nor whatever it takes to tell the event handler to reload the events |
| [06:28:29] | markk: | sphery: grep -ir "direct rendering" libs/libmythui/* |
| [06:28:35] | wagnerrp: | i seriously cannot figure out why multiple backends dont just endlessly bounce events between eachother |
| [06:29:35] | sphery: | markk: heh, whoops, didn't mean to ping you, but thanks :) |
| [06:32:51] | kormoc: | markk, Given you're around, any thoughts or fears with the plan? (Automatically falling back to QT for the GUI if we're not direct rendering)? |
| [06:33:10] | wagnerrp: | why direct rendering? |
| [06:33:17] | wagnerrp: | aiglx should be hardware accelerated |
| [06:33:27] | kormoc: | and would be direct, no? |
| [06:33:37] | wagnerrp: | Indirect |
| [06:33:52] | wagnerrp: | thats the 'I' in the acronym |
| [06:34:10] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to direct, where you bypass X and hit the driver directly |
| [06:34:24] | kormoc: | Ahh, I thought it lied and claimed to be direct |
| [06:34:33] | wagnerrp: | well... maybe it does |
| [06:34:52] | sphery: | markk: wow, so it looks like you're already detecting, so would we be able to just have mythmainwindow do a d->painter = new MythOpenGLPainter(); , then query that to see if it's direct rendering, and if so, continue opengl painter setup, and if not, delete the painter and set up the Qt painter |
| [06:35:28] | sphery: | granted, that completely ignores d3d9 and vdpau, but if we were to assume just Qt and OpenGL? |
| [06:36:17] | sphery: | I would hope that AIGLX would claim to be whatever the display actually is--direct or indirect |
| [06:36:23] | ** wagnerrp wonders if this will revert all those Compiz users back to the Qt painter ** | |
| [06:36:42] | sphery: | why would it? |
| [06:36:52] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure that only works with AIGLX |
| [06:37:06] | wagnerrp: | since youre rendering to the compositer, and not the video card |
| [06:37:55] | markk: | sphery: direct rendering at the moment is purely a debug thing, I've no idea whether aiglx reports itself as direct or not. should be easy enough to handle anyway. vdpau is not relevant here, d3d9 is a perfectly good painter option on windows (probably better option than opengl going forward) |
| [06:39:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, looks like aiglx passes though the info through from the target it's displaying on |
| [06:39:19] | sphery: | that's what I hoped it would do |
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| [06:40:10] | kormoc: | Well, it's easy enough to detect if we're in windows and default to d3d9 |
| [06:40:13] | sphery: | 2011-02–10 01:39:57.709 OpenGL: Direct rendering: No |
| [06:40:18] | sphery: | on my ssh -Y |
| [06:40:38] | sphery: | (and I have Mesa OpenGL on this system) |
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| [06:41:26] | sphery: | anyone have a hardware OpenGL system they can run a quick ssh -Y test with? (and, out of curiosity, maybe an ssh -X... don't know if it would try to hide that info?) |
| [06:42:24] | sphery: | so vdpau UI renderer isn't going to be supported/continued, right? |
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| [06:44:13] | kormoc: | sphery, -Y http://pastebin.com/xMpxx8pb -X http://pastebin.com/YpQ48nUm |
| [06:44:54] | sphery: | hmmm... OpenGL: OpenGL vendor : NVIDIA Corporation, but OpenGL: Direct rendering: No |
| [06:45:25] | kormoc: | Aye, my local box has a nvidia card, it's passing over my desktop's GLX info to mythtv-setup |
| [06:45:27] | sphery: | how's the performance via ssh? do you get a second or 2 delay between movements in menu? |
| [06:45:31] | kormoc: | the card in the mini is a 9400m |
| [06:46:09] | sphery: | right... just saying that you have good opengl on the X display |
| [06:46:20] | kormoc: | Nope, it's decently snappy |
| [06:47:10] | sphery: | seems it's only about 1s for me |
| [06:47:26] | skd5aner: | you guys on EST usually stay up this late on a regular basis? |
| [06:47:48] | sphery: | much faster with qt painter |
| [06:48:05] | sphery: | heh, I planned to get to bed at a decent hour, tonight, but... |
| [06:48:28] | kormoc: | skd5aner, I'm always amazed that both sphery and wagnerrp stay up later and get up earlier then I |
| [06:48:57] | skd5aner: | I used to be a night owl... but not for the last few years... |
| [06:49:22] | skd5aner: | kormoc: heh – yea... I work with a couple guys, on east coast, one west... |
| [06:49:24] | sphery: | I'm wondering what "load glyph failed err=6 face=0xb45440, glyph=1600\nQFontEngine: Glyph neither outline nor bitmap format=0" is all about in kormoc's log |
| [06:49:41] | kormoc: | sphery, I figured it means I don't have the font locally? |
| [06:50:13] | skd5aner: | they almost always are exchanging emails, one wakes up at 4AM when the other one is getting ready for bed... |
| [06:50:16] | sphery: | we only load fonts from inside the main mythtv/fonts and theme dirs |
| [06:50:36] | skd5aner: | 4AM EST that is |
| [06:50:40] | sphery: | all other font requests are just requests via Qt to the font server or whatever |
| [06:52:23] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-12196 -> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-12638 |
| [06:52:28] | sphery: | so looks like a Qt bug |
| [06:53:08] | kormoc: | nice |
| [06:53:21] | sphery: | they've fixed it... can't tell which release, though |
| [06:55:05] | sphery: | kormoc: fixed for 4.8.0 |
| [06:55:14] | sphery: | had to log in to find out |
| [06:55:18] | kormoc: | snazzy sauce |
| [06:55:28] | sphery: | no, wait, just had to learn to read |
| [06:55:47] | sphery: | logging in was unnecessary, it seems |
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| [06:56:21] | scorp007: | how do I update all metadata for all movies? |
| [06:56:44] | scorp007: | using I think 0.24 (how do I check?) |
| [06:57:17] | wagnerrp: | scorp007: have you ever pulled metadata for this content before? |
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| [06:57:51] | scorp007: | partially, I think, in an older release. |
| [06:58:08] | scorp007: | actually using MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-23-fixes |
| [06:58:17] | scorp007: | mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [06:58:48] | wagnerrp: | in 0.23, there is no way in mythtv to do a bulk metadata pull, upgrade to 0.24 |
| [06:59:08] | scorp007: | what about on the command line? |
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| [06:59:37] | wagnerrp: | in 0.23, you can only individually pull, with the hotkey 'w' |
| [06:59:48] | scorp007: | ah, interesting — let me see |
| [07:00:42] | wagnerrp: | hey! i think i just figured out whats killing mythfs |
| [07:01:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: can you think of any /good/ reason why mythbackend would be broadcasting out new preview images? |
| [07:01:50] | wagnerrp: | i had my event monitor class open and running |
| [07:02:04] | wagnerrp: | and it just barfed when the backend sent a GENERATED_PIXMAP |
| [07:02:25] | sphery: | I think it sends an event to frontends so they know to reload the preview if they're in watch recordings or whatever |
| [07:02:43] | sphery: | danielk wanted the preview to change on all frontends immediately when he set a new bookmark |
| [07:02:44] | wagnerrp: | it sends the whole thing |
| [07:03:11] | sphery: | I don't remember details of the design they ended up going with |
| [07:03:37] | sphery: | I think Capt M and danielk would know best what it's doing and why |
| [07:03:46] | skd5aner: | scorp007: you could use jamu, but you might as well upgrade as wagnerrp said |
| [07:05:15] | wagnerrp: | then theres this qchecksum that is 8 bits |
| [07:05:30] | wagnerrp: | seems awfully small |
| [07:07:03] | wagnerrp: | anyway... it terminated the event thread with an unhandled exception |
| [07:07:14] | wagnerrp: | which may have taken down the whole connection as well |
| [07:07:32] | wagnerrp: | explaining why mythfs intermittently fails |
| [07:07:52] | wagnerrp: | would at least explain why i stop getting update/delete events |
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| [07:09:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the buffer is filled with garbage data |
| [07:09:48] | wagnerrp: | rendering the open connection unusable |
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| [07:29:47] | scorp007: | ok, I upgraded. |
| [07:30:00] | scorp007: | pressing 'w' seems to get a background picture, but no cover art. |
| [07:30:25] | wagnerrp: | it should pull coverart if coverart is available |
| [07:30:54] | scorp007: | should I use some script like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FillMythMetadata.pl ? |
| [07:31:13] | wagnerrp: | no, in 0.24, there is a bulk metadata download in mythvideo |
| [07:31:19] | wagnerrp: | that was the whole purpose of upgrading |
| [07:32:38] | wagnerrp: | if you set it right, it will automatically run the bulk download whenever you scan for new content |
| [07:33:18] | scorp007: | what must I set? |
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| [07:37:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp / kormoc : http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Xm2rR35C |
| [07:37:59] | sphery: | via my ssh -Y to an ATI with MESA GL |
| [07:38:13] | wagnerrp: | scorp007: the 'retrieve all details' manually triggers a bulk update |
| [07:38:15] | sphery: | (or from an ATI) |
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| [07:38:34] | kormoc: | sphery, awesomesauce |
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| [07:38:51] | wagnerrp: | and under metadata settings, there is an option to perform the update automatically after a scan |
| [07:38:57] | sphery: | kormoc: question is whether it disables when it should |
| [07:38:58] | sphery: | n't |
| [07:39:16] | sphery: | nice idea, though |
| [07:39:20] | wagnerrp: | facny |
| [07:39:28] | wagnerrp: | one way to find out... commit it and wait for people to complain |
| [07:39:32] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [07:39:56] | scorp007: | wagnerrp, hmm, seems to be getting everything except cover art... |
| [07:40:07] | scorp007: | do I need any of this "storage group" stuff for it to work? |
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| [07:40:34] | wagnerrp: | it will work regardless, however you should be using storage groups |
| [07:40:42] | wagnerrp: | the /only/ reason not to is if you have encrypted ISOs |
| [07:40:52] | scorp007: | wagnerrp, what do they offer me: |
| [07:40:53] | scorp007: | ? |
| [07:41:07] | wagnerrp: | do you have multiple frontends? |
| [07:41:11] | scorp007: | nope |
| [07:41:38] | wagnerrp: | well then if nothing else, it enables the 'mythbackend --scanvideos' call |
| [07:41:43] | wagnerrp: | or maybe thats only in 0.25 |
| [07:41:49] | wagnerrp: | dont remember when that got added |
| [07:42:14] | wagnerrp: | regardless, local files are due for removal in a future version |
| [07:42:35] | scorp007: | local files? |
| [07:42:45] | wagnerrp: | when you told mythtv where your videos were |
| [07:42:54] | wagnerrp: | did you define the folders in mythfrontend? or in mythtv-setup? |
| [07:42:57] | scorp007: | so, they'll get rid of that? And replace it with what? |
| [07:43:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah, that's usually a good--and /very/ fast--way of finding out if it's not going to work |
| [07:43:16] | scorp007: | my videos go in /var/lib/mythtv/videos, etc. |
| [07:43:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, but where did you define that path? |
| [07:43:39] | wagnerrp: | did you set that in mythfrontend? or mythtv-setup? |
| [07:43:44] | scorp007: | gee, I couldn't say — someone else did that. Could have been either |
| [07:44:02] | scorp007: | I sortof "inherited" this box. |
| [07:44:07] | wagnerrp: | if anyone set it, it would be mythbuntu |
| [07:44:26] | wagnerrp: | in which case, it would depend on when the database was first created whether it were set to use storage groups or local folders |
| [07:44:27] | scorp007: | ok, so what does that mean for me? |
| [07:44:39] | scorp007: | oh |
| [07:44:54] | scorp007: | so what is the problem with local folders? |
| [07:45:07] | wagnerrp: | they are only accessible locally |
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| [07:45:15] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to storage groups |
| [07:45:20] | wagnerrp: | which if the frontend cannot access it locally |
| [07:45:21] | scorp007: | but they're on the backend server? |
| [07:45:24] | wagnerrp: | the backend will stream the files |
| [07:45:39] | scorp007: | ah, so that's a bad thing? |
| [07:45:42] | wagnerrp: | it removes the need to set up NFS for viewing on remote frontends |
| [07:45:47] | wagnerrp: | everything 'just works' |
| [07:45:52] | wagnerrp: | no external setup required |
| [07:46:11] | scorp007: | so.. each frontend has a mirror of all the videos? |
| [07:46:20] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [07:46:38] | scorp007: | if it no longer streams them from the backend ... ? |
| [07:46:40] | wagnerrp: | with local folders, mythfrontend will access the content directly off the filesystem |
| [07:46:47] | wagnerrp: | that is the old way of doing things |
| [07:46:53] | scorp007: | oh |
| [07:47:07] | wagnerrp: | and if the content is located elsewhere, you must set up some network share, and mount it on the frontend, in order to access it |
| [07:47:17] | wagnerrp: | the new way of doing things is to use storage groups |
| [07:47:24] | scorp007: | oh, I think I see .. the reason this didn't affect me is because the frontend is on the same box as the backend for me |
| [07:47:24] | wagnerrp: | where the folders are defined in mythtv-setup |
| [07:47:28] | wagnerrp: | and content is managed by the backend |
| [07:47:50] | wagnerrp: | for single systems, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference |
| [07:48:01] | wagnerrp: | for multiple frontends, storage groups is much easier to manage |
| [07:48:21] | scorp007: | ok — so for the time being I'll leave them local — as long as it isn't breaking cover art... |
| [07:48:24] | wagnerrp: | and carrying around two different means of defining video storage is nothing but confusing to users |
| [07:48:34] | wagnerrp: | as long as you define the folders to store the artwork in |
| [07:48:41] | wagnerrp: | and the frontend has write access to those folders |
| [07:48:42] | scorp007: | aren't there defaults? |
| [07:48:46] | wagnerrp: | local folders should continue to work |
| [07:48:52] | wagnerrp: | no, there are no defaults in mythtv |
| [07:48:56] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu may have set defaults |
| [07:48:56] | scorp007: | I have a folder in /var/lib/mythtv/coverart but it's empty? |
| [07:49:00] | scorp007: | ahh. |
| [07:49:03] | scorp007: | I have that |
| [07:49:06] | wagnerrp: | but that is mythbuntu, not mythtv |
| [07:50:26] | scorp007: | there seems to be a change in .24 where you can't have 2 instances of the frontend on the same machine running, else it segfaults. |
| [07:50:30] | scorp007: | can't acquire some mutex. |
| [07:50:39] | scorp007: | then it keeps trying to restart itself. |
| [07:50:43] | sphery: | scorp007: fixed in development |
| [07:50:48] | scorp007: | which part? |
| [07:50:51] | sphery: | scorp007: and in 0.24-fixes, you just need to configure properly |
| [07:50:58] | sphery: | the "change in .24 where you can't have 2 instances of the frontend on the same machine running, else it segfaults" |
| [07:51:04] | scorp007: | oh |
| [07:51:05] | sphery: | to configure properly, set ServicePort |
| [07:51:12] | scorp007: | does it go back to the old behavior? |
| [07:51:24] | scorp007: | or just "gracefully" disallows it? |
| [07:51:25] | sphery: | scorp007: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/471284#471284 |
| [07:51:35] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/470161#470161 |
| [07:52:03] | sphery: | scorp007: and thank Beirdo (whose busy working on improving the displayed duration of recordings) for the fix :) |
| [07:52:30] | sphery: | and thank wagnerrp for identifying the true problem and how to properly configure the frontend so it works |
| [07:52:32] | scorp007: | but.. if I set the service port in that xml file, won't that be read in for each running instance? |
| [07:52:37] | sphery: | (the ServicePort stuff) |
| [07:52:50] | sphery: | scorp007: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/470254#470254 |
| [07:53:03] | sphery: | or http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/470255#470255 |
| [07:53:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: actually, theres a bit more effort involved for mythbuntu |
| [07:53:29] | wagnerrp: | since they have their wrappers which force a specific config file regardless of user settings |
| [07:53:37] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [07:53:40] | sphery: | fun |
| [07:53:46] | scorp007: | hmm.. bit of a hassle. Why not revert to the behavior in .23? |
| [07:53:52] | scorp007: | or was .23 "stupid" ? |
| [07:54:01] | sphery: | technically, IMHO, yes it was stupid |
| [07:54:03] | sphery: | but it's a bug |
| [07:54:06] | sphery: | it's in 0.24-fixes |
| [07:54:11] | sphery: | the fix is rather invasive |
| [07:54:14] | sphery: | so it may not be backported |
| [07:54:31] | scorp007: | does that package require manual hackery with the $HOME stuff? |
| [07:54:47] | sphery: | and, even though current unstable/development code allows you to run 2 instances of mythfrontend misconfigured, we may disable that ability and force users to configure properly |
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| [07:55:13] | Beirdo: | but at least it ain't crashing :) |
| [07:55:16] | sphery: | since we're getting more and more UPnP media renderer stuff that requires the web server that we can't create when you don't specify a valid ServicePort |
| [07:55:18] | kormoc: | scorp007, export MYTHCONFDIR=/path/here |
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| [07:55:39] | wagnerrp: | kormoc, scorp007: youll need to run mythfrontend.real, not just mythfrontend |
| [07:55:53] | scorp007: | yeah, but it's an extra step I'll need to remember to do each time... |
| [07:55:56] | sphery: | the royal mythfrontend... |
| [07:56:10] | sphery: | scorp007: scripts... |
| [07:56:12] | kormoc: | scorp007, you can use aliases or your own wrapper |
| [07:56:21] | scorp007: | hmmm, I suppose. |
| [07:56:35] | sphery: | cp /usr/bin/mythfrontend /usr/bin/mythsecondend |
| [07:56:50] | sphery: | then edit that wrapper to set the MYTHCONFDIR or HOME as appropriate |
| [07:57:53] | sphery: | I have to say that I'm truly amazed at how many people are running multiple frontend instances on single systems |
| [07:57:59] | sphery: | I really don't get the idea at all |
| [07:58:07] | scorp007: | ..so, any hints on how I can debug why everything but the cover art is being pulled? |
| [07:58:31] | scorp007: | sphery, well, my reason is because I have one running on NX (remote desktop) and one on the TV. |
| [07:58:31] | sphery: | but since that bug got in, we've had a ton of people who have showed up |
| [07:58:46] | wagnerrp: | file permissions on whatever folder you have defined for coverart |
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| [07:59:00] | wagnerrp: | or... no folder set for coverart |
| [07:59:01] | sphery: | scorp007: so the NX one is just a remote display you can use for configuring things like MythVideo metadata when you don't have the TV on? |
| [07:59:07] | sphery: | if so, that kind of makes sense |
| [07:59:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, thats what i use it for |
| [07:59:16] | scorp007: | sphery, yes, and the TV is in a different room. |
| [07:59:32] | sphery: | it's just the idea of using multiple frontends each trying to play back video that I think is crazy |
| [07:59:37] | sphery: | cool |
| [07:59:43] | sphery: | thanks, also, for explaining :) |
| [07:59:48] | scorp007: | sure |
| [08:01:18] | scorp007: | hmm, where are the paths configured again? |
| [08:01:38] | wagnerrp: | frontend, setup, media settings, mythvideo |
| [08:01:55] | scorp007: | ah, thanks, was about to open the backend setup |
| [08:02:22] | wagnerrp: | if youre using storage groups, its option 6 in mythtv-setup |
| [08:03:02] | justinh: | why do they put a wrapper around mythfrontend anyway? |
| [08:03:48] | sphery: | well, since we don't have a nice candy coating, they found it melts in your hands--so they decided to put a wrapper on it so all the kids don't make messes |
| [08:04:02] | justinh: | ahh |
| [08:04:02] | scorp007: | is "directory that hold move posters" what I'm looking for? |
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| [08:06:56] | scorp007: | heh, it isn't clear which of the paths refers to cover art... |
| [08:07:26] | justinh: | yes, I believe it is |
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| [08:07:40] | justinh: | because it says 'cover art' |
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| [08:08:10] | scorp007: | doesn't say cover art here... |
| [08:08:21] | scorp007: | unless "movie posters" <=> "cover art" |
| [08:08:23] | justinh: | it does when you look in the right place |
| [08:08:40] | justinh: | in mythtv-setup like wagnerrp said |
| [08:08:43] | scorp007: | I'm in utilities -> media config > general |
| [08:08:48] | scorp007: | ah, but I'm not using storage groups |
| [08:09:07] | justinh: | you can't set paths for fanart/coverart in mythfrontend |
| [08:09:09] | scorp007: | I'd like the ability to play it with external players, which the wiki says won't work with stg groups |
| [08:09:24] | scorp007: | you can for fanart, in the config page I'm in |
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| [08:10:01] | scorp007: | aha! |
| [08:10:07] | scorp007: | It was indeed movie posters! |
| [08:10:45] | justinh: | heh didn't realise local paths for that much were still supported |
| [08:10:57] | justinh: | oh well maybe they'll go when external player support is banished |
| [08:11:01] | justinh: | can't happen soon enough IMHO |
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| [08:11:20] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [08:11:56] | justinh: | you can't use external players with XBMC.. and for once I agree with something they do ;-) |
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| [08:14:08] | justinh: | did I read the users ML right earlier – Mr Khupal thinking about moving to MCE?! I thought he used to be a mover&shaker in this part of the OSS world |
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| [08:15:56] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, I was surprised, too |
| [08:16:07] | scorp007: | is it possible to rename some movies for which the metadata grabber has a hard time finding the match? |
| [08:16:08] | sphery: | guess life is getting in the way of FOSS |
| [08:16:34] | sphery: | scorp007: INFO|Metadata Options|Edit Metadata, then change Title |
| [08:16:47] | scorp007: | ah, thanks |
| [08:16:49] | sphery: | (I think it's INFO, not MENU, but I may have them backwards) |
| [08:16:51] | justinh: | mind, when an actual mythical covergence box that does everything I need appears in a shop I'll probably replace mythtv with it too. I've always said that :) |
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| [08:17:19] | justinh: | s/does everything I want/doesn't suck ass/ |
| [08:17:31] | justinh: | there may be a very long wait ;-) |
| [08:17:54] | scorp007: | err, what is "info" ? I thought it was a menu? |
| [08:18:09] | justinh: | kind of a sore point, the INFO & MENU menus |
| [08:18:32] | scorp007: | ah, I press "i" eh? |
| [08:18:41] | justinh: | but yeah in mythvideo & possibly other places the INFO key brings up another menu |
| [08:19:12] | justinh: | kinda counterintuitive IMHO but nobody has yet thought of a better way to do things & put it into practice |
| [08:19:49] | scorp007: | works great, thanks! |
| [08:20:07] | justinh: | I had a stab at it for the 'watch recordings' screen – where we used to have INFO & MENU menus too – and not everybody likes the solution |
| [08:21:11] | scorp007: | err, when you erase a field, and hit OK it goes back to the old value... |
| [08:21:14] | justinh: | need to find a way to reduce the number of menu *items* first. there are 2 menu keys because there are currently too many options to put in one menu |
| [08:22:44] | justinh: | it might frickin help if just one of the so-called 'UI guys' actually stops by & helps by coming up with some ideas instead of just coming along & yelling how the UI sucks & how they'd never do it so badly in their day job. grrr |
| [08:23:18] | justinh: | scorp007: how do you mean? |
| [08:24:08] | sphery: | justinh: well, we drove away the guy who was going to give us a Flash-animated UI with flames, so I don't think we'll be getting any UIs that people "would pay for" |
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| [08:24:36] | justinh: | sphery: heh. we don't need no freekin flash, that's fer sure |
| [08:25:01] | scorp007: | justinh, when you erase the subtitle field, save the change, it goes back to what it was. |
| [08:25:13] | justinh: | scorp007: that's probably a design feature |
| [08:25:14] | sphery: | heh--remember the guy in #mythtv who called Chutt names? |
| [08:25:26] | scorp007: | also, is there a quick way to reset the "season" et al fields to 0 because they're meaningless for movies? |
| [08:25:37] | sphery: | scorp007: reset metadata, same menu |
| [08:25:38] | scorp007: | without pressing the left arrow keys 2000 times? |
| [08:25:52] | scorp007: | but that resets it to all the wrong stuff I'm trying to get rid of. |
| [08:25:59] | sphery: | then go in, edit your title, then look up the info |
| [08:26:00] | justinh: | scorp007: I just set, and then re-set (i.e. erased) a subtitle on a video |
| [08:26:14] | justinh: | so you're doing something wrong :) |
| [08:26:23] | scorp007: | you just pressed backspace a bunch of times? |
| [08:26:36] | justinh: | yes then I went down to DONE & clicked it |
| [08:26:42] | justinh: | and then it was gone :-) |
| [08:26:51] | justinh: | it being the subtitle |
| [08:27:05] | scorp007: | maybe it's my theme? |
| [08:27:15] | justinh: | sphery: yeah I seem to remember the c bomb being used that day |
| [08:27:57] | justinh: | sphery: btw do you know if the textedit widget has had any attention since 0.23? the cursor always seems confusingly out of step here |
| [08:28:14] | justinh: | maybe that was a qt thing I can't remember |
| [08:28:46] | scorp007: | ah, got it — the title was misspelled for some bizarre reason. |
| [08:29:24] | sphery: | yeah, that guy |
| [08:29:37] | sphery: | justinh: no, no attention--but it needs it |
| [08:29:49] | sphery: | probably will happen when it gets the multiline capability |
| [08:30:25] | sphery: | I think the cursor is messed up because of kerning--and because we're estimating char widths for it, but I'm not positive |
| [08:31:11] | justinh: | still need to have a good think on about how to do away with the mythbrowser sections of theme too. variable size widgets that can be scrolled... but how to do it in code? heh |
| [08:31:25] | sphery: | yeah |
| [08:31:49] | sphery: | I keep wanting to mythui all of the recording details screen |
| [08:31:58] | sphery: | allowing statetypes and all |
| [08:32:22] | sphery: | just have plenty of other things on the todo and that particular task would require first learning mythui, so... |
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| [08:32:38] | justinh: | yeah me too but then I remember the reason why it's been done that way for now |
| [08:32:47] | justinh: | and then I feel sad :) |
| [08:33:20] | justinh: | qt6 probably has some neat way of doing it in addition to all the other whizzy stuff it does |
| [08:34:12] | justinh: | I'm hopeful that opengl will be a requirement sooner rather than later, then maybe we'll just have one UI painter |
| [08:36:40] | sphery: | yeah, same here |
| [08:36:47] | justinh: | still feel a bit HNNNG about that coverflow type widget being added to the unofficial squeezebox plugin – and going about it by stuffing it into the plugin itself instead of adding it to the UI |
| [08:46:25] | MMlosh: | Hi! I have unbastardized my inputs.. does that mean I can beg for help again? (and only about problems I had even before, I swear) |
| [08:48:35] | Beirdo: | justinh: there's an issue with opengl for remote ui management that still needs to be addressed though |
| [08:48:47] | Beirdo: | i.e. over VNC or the like |
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| [08:57:04] | justinh: | Beirdo: oh yeah |
| [08:57:42] | justinh: | mind XBMC don't bother. they just say 'eeew you got no opengl kthxbai" |
| [08:58:04] | justinh: | xbmc on NX desktop... wah wahhhhhhh |
| [08:58:12] | Beirdo: | but yeah, be nice to use just opengl and let the rest disappear |
| [08:58:43] | Beirdo: | the problem being that some devs use things like VirtualBox or the like for testing at times |
| [08:59:20] | Beirdo: | so we'll see what the solution path ends up being |
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| [09:00:58] | Beirdo: | yay, success |
| [09:01:08] | justinh: | could still use a theme designer app too. testing themes has always been intensive but mythui makes that even more so |
| [09:01:40] | Beirdo: | I'll defer to your experience there. :) |
| [09:01:51] | Beirdo: | sounds like a good plan to me though |
| [09:02:06] | justinh: | I've got a couple of popup menus that don't work right |
| [09:02:22] | justinh: | they're inherited from somewhere but i'm darned if I can figure out where |
| [09:03:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:03:23] | Beirdo: | beats me. I still have to dig through code in the UI part quite a bit |
| [09:04:19] | justinh: | hey I wonder if there's extra VERBOSE I can turn on |
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| [09:06:17] | justinh: | bah the -v gui refactor was for 0.24 |
| [09:07:08] | justinh: | ROFL... "Costing only £85 per year, Ugg Boots are statistically the most reliable and best value female contraceptive." |
| [09:09:19] | laga: | heh |
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| [09:10:32] | justinh: | and "The number of people opting not to have children rises 6.4% every year. Coincidentally, World of Warcraft is growing at the same rate." |
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| [09:20:13] | Beirdo: | the BBC H.264 support code seems to have significantly slowed down H.264 commflag for me |
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| [09:23:32] | justinh: | nasty, Adobe loving BBC |
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| [09:43:34] | justinh: | Beirdo: kinda moot though – there are no commercials as such on BBC channels ;-) |
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| [10:23:08] | Stevezau: | Im using xfce and mythtv 0.24-latest svn.. sometimes when i quit mythtv it leaves an inprint of that was playing on the xfce background.. if i start mythtv backup or even xbmc and watch a vid the black bits go a bit weird, dunno how to explain it. |
| [10:23:11] | Stevezau: | any ideas what can cause this? |
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| [10:27:29] | justinh: | using SiS graphics? :-O |
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| [10:27:46] | justinh: | or ATI with the open source driver? |
| [10:27:47] | mycosys: | hey guys – lil question, does libmyth-perl provide the same functionality and calls as libmythtv-perl? there is a package name change under ubuntu which is stuffing stuff up for me (0.22). i suppose mostly wondering if mythexport will work with libmythtv-perl, when it says it depends on libmyth-perl (can always do a build if it will) |
| [10:27:52] | justinh: | or the nvidia open source driver? |
| [10:28:22] | mycosys: | can forget the nvidia binary blob lol |
| [10:28:26] | mycosys: | *cant |
| [10:29:47] | justinh: | no, if he was using the nvidia binary blob he likely wouldn't be seeing strange drawing problems in X |
| [10:30:14] | mycosys: | trudat |
| [10:31:57] | Stevezau: | justinh Nvidia |
| [10:32:15] | Stevezau: | using the driver from nvidia.com |
| [10:32:25] | justinh: | then maybe you've got buggy drivers |
| [10:32:35] | Stevezau: | NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 260.19.36 Tue Jan 18 16:56:11 PST 2011 |
| [10:32:46] | Stevezau: | ill try a diff version |
| [10:32:56] | justinh: | as for whether I know what version is/isn't buggy.. MEH :-) |
| [10:33:03] | justinh: | short answer: I don't |
| [10:33:06] | Stevezau: | yeh trail and error :) |
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| [10:33:49] | mycosys: | did you download it and run the installer? |
| [10:34:07] | mycosys: | what distro> |
| [10:34:08] | mycosys: | ? |
| [10:34:08] | justinh: | anyway I thought it was always best to use your distro's package |
| [10:34:20] | mycosys: | depends if ti provides what you need |
| [10:34:36] | Stevezau: | ive got the latest geforce gtx 580 card |
| [10:34:41] | justinh: | most modern distros do |
| [10:34:49] | mycosys: | my mythserver is on unbuntu jaunty, didnt have full support for mt gt210 |
| [10:34:52] | justinh: | oo talk about over cooking it |
| [10:34:53] | Stevezau: | i assumed the distro package was a bit to old for that card |
| [10:34:53] | mycosys: | *my |
| [10:35:05] | mycosys: | dont assume – check |
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| [10:35:25] | Stevezau: | well i did.. preformance drop using the distro package |
| [10:35:37] | justinh: | whoah HOW much does that card cost? LOL |
| [10:35:38] | mycosys: | did you try envy? |
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| [10:35:57] | Stevezau: | justinh not that much.. |
| [10:36:17] | justinh: | November last year it cost £399 |
| [10:36:39] | Stevezau: | cost me about $400 aud |
| [10:36:59] | mycosys: | should start lookin at a 460 lol |
| [10:37:05] | justinh: | still – way over cooking it for mythtv |
| [10:37:36] | Stevezau: | lol so? |
| [10:37:39] | mycosys: | gt210 is awesome for myth |
| [10:37:49] | mycosys: | so – you would hear it over ur playback lol |
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| [10:38:01] | mycosys: | can buy a whole server for the price o that card lol |
| [10:38:08] | Stevezau: | lol |
| [10:38:20] | justinh: | just saying. I mean you coulda just got a new mac mini for the price of that card & the rest of the frontend |
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| [10:38:29] | Stevezau: | ive got 4 frontends |
| [10:38:35] | Stevezau: | and 1 backend.. |
| [10:38:39] | mycosys: | the card wont help them at all |
| [10:38:50] | Stevezau: | im not broke |
| [10:38:51] | Stevezau: | i can afford it |
| [10:38:52] | Stevezau: | lol |
| [10:38:56] | mycosys: | so? |
| [10:39:06] | Stevezau: | so who cares |
| [10:39:12] | mycosys: | is a waste of power, money and you could put it in sli in ur gamer |
| [10:39:20] | Stevezau: | i dont play games |
| [10:39:26] | mycosys: | so sell the card |
| [10:39:29] | Stevezau: | lol |
| [10:39:29] | Stevezau: | wtf |
| [10:39:31] | Stevezau: | are u my mother? |
| [10:39:34] | justinh: | oh well. good luck trying other drivers anyway |
| [10:39:41] | mycosys: | or use it for distributed computing |
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| [10:39:58] | Stevezau: | it will just last me a long time |
| [10:40:14] | Stevezau: | but.. u know playing 1080p hd movies the gpu sites at 60% usage |
| [10:40:25] | mycosys: | no mate, not ur mum, an electronic tech with decades experience \who knows ur putting unnecessary load and heat into ur system, and making what could be silent noisy |
| [10:40:26] | justinh: | 1080p HD movies |
| [10:40:27] | justinh: | pfft |
| [10:40:34] | mycosys: | roflmao |
| [10:40:46] | mycosys: | my gt210 is at 80% doing HD movies |
| [10:40:47] | Stevezau: | i mean hd tv |
| [10:40:48] | MMlosh: | just for the record – I guess something like that happens to me too... sometimes there is the "system tray" on edges of 4:3 movie when switching desktops (wide screen) |
| [10:40:54] | ** justinh puts all his money on '1080Pee MKVs' ** | |
| [10:40:56] | mycosys: | ur doin something very wrong |
| [10:41:24] | Stevezau: | mycosys its also the backend and its in my living room.. noise is not an issue and i use it for other things.. all my frontends are ion2 shuttle xs35gt;s |
| [10:41:41] | justinh: | heh from one extreme to the other |
| [10:41:51] | Stevezau: | yep |
| [10:42:09] | mycosys: | had a combined backend/frontend runnign 3 other frontends – was a sempron 3800+ with a gt210 |
| [10:42:17] | mycosys: | just upgraded it to dual core |
| [10:42:21] | Stevezau: | good for you |
| [10:42:24] | Stevezau: | :) |
| [10:42:30] | mycosys: | no other reason than i had the dual sitting round |
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| [10:42:57] | ** justinh ran 3 frontends off an athlon 800 backend with 512MB RAM & a Geforce4MX card at a linux expo a few years back. So there ** | |
| [10:43:42] | Stevezau: | the xs35gt can't handle high quality hd tv channels tho |
| [10:43:50] | Stevezau: | vdpau high quality that is |
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| [10:45:17] | mycosys: | the ONLY reason for having a card like that in a server is to run GPGPU on it (ie BOINC/Folding@Home) |
| [10:45:31] | mycosys: | god i hope ur on 100% renewable energy lol |
| [10:45:52] | Stevezau: | 80% of my energy is renewable actually |
| [10:46:15] | mycosys: | lot less worrying then :) |
| [10:46:28] | Stevezau: | well thats what im meant to be paying for.. who knows if thats really the truth.. |
| [10:46:30] | justinh: | isn't there like NO 1080P actually being broadcast over the air still? |
| [10:46:35] | mycosys: | but still unneeded heat and noise, and psu load in ur machine |
| [10:46:38] | Stevezau: | 1080i |
| [10:46:52] | Stevezau: | its dead quiet |
| [10:46:54] | Stevezau: | i cant even hear it |
| [10:47:12] | justinh: | anyway maybe your card isn't even supported in nvidia's own driver yet |
| [10:47:38] | Stevezau: | maybe.. but it also happens on the xs35gt ion2 |
| [10:47:39] | justinh: | last time I bought a card the cheapest one I could buy was like an 8600 |
| [10:48:07] | mycosys: | what is the exact symptom steve? |
| [10:48:37] | mycosys: | and what distro? |
| [10:50:32] | Stevezau: | ok ill try explain.. when i exit mythtv after watching tv it goes back to the xfce desktop. on the desktop bg you can see something that looks like an inprint of what was displayed on mythtv just before it closed.. its like its overlayed on the background (no colors).. If i startup xbmc and watch something it appears the black areas of the vid goes all weird looking esp if there is |
| [10:50:32] | Stevezau: | movement.. |
| [10:50:43] | Stevezau: | ubuntu 10.10 |
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| [10:52:45] | mycosys: | what do you have myth set to use to draw the interface (Paint Engine), OpenGL or QT? |
| [10:52:58] | Stevezau: | opengl |
| [10:53:12] | mycosys: | try QT see if it helps |
| [10:53:35] | Stevezau: | ill give it a go |
| [10:54:07] | mycosys: | likely to be slower but may fix it |
| [10:54:18] | justinh: | I doubt it'll fix it |
| [10:54:39] | justinh: | maybe try binning compiz or whatever the hell they call the stupid desktop FX stuff these days – if it's even enabled |
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| [10:55:39] | mycosys: | would be unlikely under xfce i would think |
| [10:56:20] | Stevezau: | ah ok |
| [10:56:23] | Stevezau: | ill give it all ok |
| [10:56:31] | Stevezau: | cant at the moment.. gf is using it :| |
| [10:56:33] | Stevezau: | thanks tho |
| [10:56:33] | mycosys: | ur distro 64 or 32bit? |
| [10:56:36] | Stevezau: | 64 |
| [10:56:51] | mycosys: | unusual for myth machine in my exp |
| [10:57:17] | justinh: | still yet to take the 64-bit plunge despite having used 64bit CPUs for a while |
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| [10:59:14] | mycosys: | been using em since before core, but only ever used 64 on database servers til my desky/gamer went win7 |
| [10:59:47] | justinh: | heh win7.. something else I've yet to inflict upon myself |
| [10:59:59] | mycosys: | as doze goes it isnt bad |
| [11:00:05] | mycosys: | def better than xp |
| [11:00:17] | justinh: | vista lasted all of about 2 days on my laptop when I bought it |
| [11:00:26] | mycosys: | ewwwwwww |
| [11:00:41] | mycosys: | my fiancee uses it, i refuse to |
| [11:00:48] | justinh: | I don't care so long as it lets me get what I need to do, done |
| [11:00:56] | justinh: | Xp still works so it stays :) |
| [11:01:11] | mycosys: | weirdest one would be the guest machine – mac G3 under suse |
| [11:01:33] | justinh: | if only they'd bring out Ableton Live & Sony Vegas for linux... |
| [11:01:49] | justinh: | please don't say Ardour & Pitivi ;-) |
| [11:01:52] | mycosys: | for people i dont trust to be sensible – if they can even get malware onto it i would give them several internets |
| [11:04:13] | mycosys: | g4 not g3 lol |
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| [12:38:01] | rekoil: | hey guys, i'm thinking of setting up a mythtv backend for DVB-S2, but my satellite provider encrypts most of the channels so i need a CI reader hooked up |
| [12:38:04] | rekoil: | any tips? |
| [12:38:25] | wagnerrp: | get a DVB-S2 card with a CI slot? |
| [12:38:40] | wagnerrp: | is that CI or CI+? |
| [12:38:49] | wagnerrp: | the latter is full DRM, and unusable by mythtv |
| [12:40:00] | rekoil: | err, no clue to be honest, how would i find out? |
| [12:40:05] | rekoil: | ask my provider? |
| [12:40:14] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [12:40:22] | rekoil: | kk |
| [12:40:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports CI only on cards with a built in slot |
| [12:40:37] | rekoil: | ah |
| [12:40:40] | rekoil: | damn |
| [12:40:43] | wagnerrp: | either directly on board, or through a daughter card, doesnt matter |
| [12:40:46] | rekoil: | that limits me quite a lot :P |
| [12:40:51] | wagnerrp: | it does not support independent card readers |
| [12:41:02] | rekoil: | server only has PCIe readers |
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| [12:41:06] | rekoil: | slots* |
| [12:41:49] | rekoil: | the only such card i've found is the NetUP dual-dvb-s2-ci card |
| [12:42:00] | rekoil: | would be perfect... except it costs 900 usd |
| [12:42:09] | rekoil: | which is a little over my budget |
| [12:42:12] | rekoil: | :P |
| [12:42:21] | wagnerrp: | thats... rather pricey |
| [12:43:20] | rekoil: | yes :P |
| [12:43:46] | rekoil: | the guys at turbosight told me that a usb ci module would work |
| [12:43:47] | wagnerrp: | http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/product/6990.html ? |
| [12:43:55] | wagnerrp: | not with mythtv it doesnt |
| [12:43:57] | henkpoley: | All of a sudden one of my frontends only loads to it's grey background screen, log: http://pastebin.com/pGJeSUXS |
| [12:44:11] | rekoil: | wagnerrp: yes i had looked at that, but they told me that one wont be out for at least another year |
| [12:44:32] | henkpoley: | It appears there's some problem with MySQL (starting at line 380), but what is it, and how to fix it ? |
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| [12:44:32] | wagnerrp: | how do they claim support for any of that crap if its not even out yet? |
| [12:45:00] | rekoil: | wagnerrp: the tbs6980 is out, that works |
| [12:45:04] | rekoil: | but no ci slots |
| [12:45:12] | rekoil: | they sell a separate usb based module |
| [12:45:31] | rekoil: | i guess they never did say specifically that it would work with mythtv |
| [12:45:41] | henkpoley: | My other remote/local frontends are okeydokey |
| [12:45:46] | henkpoley: | Can anybody help my debug ? |
| [12:45:50] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will not access a separate CAM |
| [12:46:04] | wagnerrp: | now if their own driver works some magic and accesses a USB CAM internally |
| [12:46:08] | wagnerrp: | that will work |
| [12:46:18] | wagnerrp: | but the driver has to provide mythtv with unencrypted output |
| [12:46:29] | rekoil: | yeah i figured so |
| [12:46:48] | rekoil: | guess i'll wait until a more suited card pops up |
| [12:47:29] | wagnerrp: | you can always use HDPVRs connected to STBs |
| [12:47:47] | rekoil: | like a separate box? |
| [12:48:00] | rekoil: | to decode signal? |
| [12:48:26] | wagnerrp: | external satellite receiver to decode and output HD component video |
| [12:48:30] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR to capture it from there |
| [12:48:49] | wagnerrp: | youll also need some means of control over the external receiver, IR or otherwise |
| [12:48:59] | rekoil: | sounds tricky |
| [12:49:22] | rekoil: | and the NetUP card will likely not be much more expensive than a setup like that :P |
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| [12:49:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, $200/HDPVR (US prices) plus whatever the receiver itself is |
| [12:51:52] | justinh: | wonder what's happening about the whole USB CI / virtual tuner stuff |
| [12:51:59] | rekoil: | mythtv is the only way to stream tv to xbmc right? |
| [12:52:09] | justinh: | rekoil: no |
| [12:52:26] | justinh: | TV headend is alleged to work too |
| [12:52:31] | rekoil: | but nothing else can do the decode with a separate usb reader right? |
| [12:52:40] | justinh: | I say alleged because I've not tested it & can't vouch for it |
| [12:52:42] | rekoil: | i mean |
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| [12:52:54] | rekoil: | nothing would do what i want with a usb ci card right? |
| [12:52:56] | justinh: | rekoil: nothing you can discuss here, no |
| [12:53:01] | rekoil: | lol |
| [12:53:07] | rekoil: | *hint hint* |
| [12:53:16] | rekoil: | nah i wanna use mythtv anyway |
| [12:53:55] | justinh: | if you really want to resort to other methods you won't get any help for that here so you'll have to go looking under rocks :P |
| [12:54:49] | rekoil: | justinh: i know how irc channels work... |
| [12:55:14] | rekoil: | not about to ask for help with microsoft word in a mythtv channel |
| [12:55:34] | rekoil: | kk, well thanks for the help guys |
| [12:55:40] | justinh: | np |
| [12:55:54] | justinh: | if the situation wasn't so precarious legally it might be a different story |
| [12:56:10] | rekoil: | what do you mean? |
| [12:56:42] | justinh: | I mean that non-hardware decryption is a very grey area in terms of law in some places – specifically where this project's spiritual home is |
| [12:57:01] | justinh: | nevermind whether or not there are possible legal uses for it |
| [12:57:30] | justinh: | therefore as far as mythtv is concerned you either access encrippled stuff with hardware – or you don't do it at all |
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| [12:57:44] | rekoil: | right |
| [12:58:30] | justinh: | it's a big shame because recently the only way to use pay TV with newer tuners is soon going to be via those USB CAM/CI boxes |
| [12:59:05] | rekoil: | to be perfectly honest i don't see the big problem with software decryption |
| [12:59:35] | rekoil: | you're still gonna need to access the CAM module and smartcard to get the valid decryption keys |
| [12:59:36] | justinh: | it hasn't been tested in court yet, and mythtv doesn't want to be the first to be whipped |
| [13:00:05] | rekoil: | fair enough |
| [13:00:33] | justinh: | cos in the US you just can't get a CAM for pay TV services – so in the eyes of any US outfit looking for a victim... |
| [13:00:58] | justinh: | CI+, btw – now that is going to screw everybody using linux completely |
| [13:01:18] | rekoil: | wait, they don't allow you to use cam modules at all? |
| [13:01:32] | justinh: | no way to completely lock a stream down all the way from source to display.. so they won't allow it |
| [13:01:43] | justinh: | rekoil: no, in the US you use their hardware or not at all |
| [13:02:03] | rekoil: | justinh: there's no way to lock a stream down anywhere |
| [13:02:11] | justinh: | and they don't sell anything separately. so you get the set top box.. or you don't get anything |
| [13:02:21] | rekoil: | there will always be a weak point somewhere |
| [13:02:45] | justinh: | sure – but it's now basically illegal in most places in the world to unravel encryption |
| [13:03:06] | justinh: | even Europe is getting – or has already got – its own version of the DMCA |
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| [13:04:00] | rekoil: | the dmca is seriously flawed |
| [13:04:02] | justinh: | we got it in the UK... |
| [13:04:29] | rekoil: | stipulating how content is used is riddiculous |
| [13:04:31] | justinh: | true, but *you* go to court & test it. I dare you |
| [13:04:45] | justinh: | no open source project wants to be in that test case |
| [13:05:02] | justinh: | nobody involved with an open source project wants to be held responsible |
| [13:05:25] | justinh: | in an ideal world, with the best lawyers & if money was no object – SURE |
| [13:05:39] | rekoil: | justinh: i realise that, i'm on your side mate |
| [13:05:54] | justinh: | I'm not saying I agree with any of these draconian measures |
| [13:06:03] | rekoil: | the project managers are gonna decide how to go abouts this shit |
| [13:06:46] | rekoil: | my only point is: if i purchase the right to view something, i don't want someone to decide how i will display that content |
| [13:06:47] | wagnerrp: | justinh: there arent even any CI+ tuner cards anyway are there? |
| [13:06:55] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not as far as I know |
| [13:06:59] | wagnerrp: | rekoil: watch the language in this channel |
| [13:07:08] | rekoil: | sorry champ |
| [13:07:11] | rekoil: | won't happen again |
| [13:07:25] | justinh: | wagnerrp: so if there's no hardware in the 1st place... that's more than half the battle for em |
| [13:08:00] | justinh: | I always say that if it was me wanting to lock everything down to maximise my revenue I'd be doing as much as they are |
| [13:08:14] | justinh: | and if the customers are stupid enough to keep coming.. HAHAHAHA |
| [13:08:32] | justinh: | (which sadly, it seems as though they are) |
| [13:09:43] | rekoil: | justinh: i see that side of the matter too, but i do still firmly believe that making content available to as many as possible for as low a price as financially viable is the right way to go |
| [13:09:55] | justinh: | rekoil: tell that to the board ;-) |
| [13:10:10] | rekoil: | they won't like me very much if i say that |
| [13:10:31] | justinh: | profit++++++++++++++++++ |
| [13:10:36] | rekoil: | cause that means they don't get to have 500 yachts and 250 vacation homes in every country |
| [13:10:40] | wagnerrp: | justinh: the sad fact is that the supreme court already decided what our legal right is as far as content |
| [13:10:51] | wagnerrp: | DMCA just completely bypassed that ruling |
| [13:10:59] | wagnerrp: | and the SCOTUS didnt do anything |
| [13:11:13] | justinh: | er... that sounds pretty unconstitutional |
| [13:11:28] | henkpoley: | Here locally Ziggo (cable provder) has lots of old settop boxes rolled out, so they'll keep regular CI around for a while. |
| [13:11:29] | justinh: | oh wait it's okay cos big.biz decided it was ok |
| [13:11:51] | henkpoley: | Luckily my internet provider is rummaging with IPTV, so maybe I can hop onto that when needed |
| [13:12:00] | rekoil: | henkpoley: same with my provider i reckon |
| [13:12:26] | wagnerrp: | henkpoley: hopefully theyll be as enlightened as freebox out of france |
| [13:12:38] | justinh: | maybe one day we'll look back on this time in history & remember it fondly. Those were the days.. when the TV wasn't hooked into the viewing chair & you could still opt to leave the room when the unskippable ads came on |
| [13:12:48] | henkpoley: | Hah, Ziggo is already rolling out CI+ |
| [13:12:58] | henkpoley: | Or is Freebox CI+ ? |
| [13:13:18] | wagnerrp: | freebox is nothing, unencrypted |
| [13:13:35] | rekoil: | anyone know if the sagem hd pvr 101-st is ci+ |
| [13:13:36] | ** justinh wonders if his camcorder has 24fps detection.. won't be too long before they all do I expect ** | |
| [13:13:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont honestly know how they handle conditional access |
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| [13:14:00] | rekoil: | cause that's the latest box my provider has rolled out |
| [13:14:05] | henkpoley: | I believe XS4ALL (my ISP) is in bed with Silverlight, which makes sense in term of video quality/CPU |
| [13:14:06] | rekoil: | afaik |
| [13:14:17] | justinh: | rekoil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Interface |
| [13:14:39] | rekoil: | sweet |
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| [13:14:44] | rekoil: | i'm with canal digital |
| [13:14:51] | rekoil: | not listed as a ci+ user in sweden |
| [13:15:03] | justinh: | yet ;-) |
| [13:15:15] | henkpoley: | Just updated MySQL server to 5.1, lets see if that fixes the odd errors on one of my frontend |
| [13:15:17] | henkpoley: | ..s |
| [13:15:22] | rekoil: | yes well i'm sure there will be a grace period of a few years anyway |
| [13:15:50] | justinh: | so, way I see it we can either all rise up & fight this – and I do really mean *all*.. or we can go to sleep & be owned forever.. til the revolution |
| [13:16:07] | justinh: | and when I say 'fight' I mean just stop buying their stuff til they take notice |
| [13:16:15] | rekoil: | my provider supplies free CAM modules anyway |
| [13:16:26] | rekoil: | i'm sure they will continue to do so with CI+ |
| [13:16:40] | henkpoley: | All DVB TVs sold around here have CI+ |
| [13:16:52] | henkpoley: | I guess nobbody will notice |
| [13:17:05] | henkpoley: | all others have their tea-warmer settop-boxes |
| [13:17:12] | henkpoley: | 65W idle, or something |
| [13:17:16] | justinh: | none of this would matter, of course.. if what they were doing didn't adversely affect anybody |
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| [13:17:25] | henkpoley: | Or 40W, at least it was a lot |
| [13:17:39] | justinh: | my cable STB is never off whenit's in standby |
| [13:17:44] | justinh: | not even a little bit |
| [13:18:23] | justinh: | so now it's hooked into my TV standby saver. TV goes into standby, the saver turns off a mains block, then turns off the TV power too |
| [13:19:06] | henkpoley: | My TV has a physical relays-switch inside, you hear it make a sweet 'click' sound after 15 min in standby |
| [13:19:18] | justinh: | my frontend is soon gonna be hooked into that aswell – and I'll modify the shutdown command to run a script to IR blast the TV off so it'll shut down the lot just by going to the exit & shutdown menu :) |
| [13:19:42] | rekoil: | nice |
| [13:19:49] | justinh: | when I was running it diskless the TV just powered the frontend off anyway |
| [13:20:15] | justinh: | sometimes we forgot to shut down first.. and nothing really bad ever happened |
| [13:20:23] | rekoil: | i wanna setup something to control lights when credits roll on movies in my database :P |
| [13:20:32] | justinh: | easy peasy |
| [13:20:39] | justinh: | with the right hardware |
| [13:20:54] | justinh: | and maybe once mythtv supports multiple bookmarks |
| [13:21:04] | rekoil: | some kinda z-wave system with a controller on the server |
| [13:21:15] | rekoil: | justinh: nah it'll be through xbmc |
| [13:21:16] | justinh: | that wireless stuff is way expensive |
| [13:21:35] | henkpoley: | Anybody knows small systems with VDPAU (so recent Nvidia) and somewhat decent CPU (I don't like Intel Atom very much) ? |
| [13:21:40] | rekoil: | mythtv isn't optimized enough for hd playback on an appletv2 :P |
| [13:22:01] | henkpoley: | Do they even have it running on AppleTV2 ? |
| [13:22:05] | justinh: | rekoil: heh – it was a stroke of luck that apple released the API for the HW decode |
| [13:22:07] | rekoil: | henkpoley: yes |
| [13:22:12] | rekoil: | 1080p works fine |
| [13:22:21] | justinh: | I scoffed when I first heard about it but then read about the API release |
| [13:22:26] | henkpoley: | So that's MythTV/ARM ? |
| [13:22:43] | justinh: | mind, they had to add dirty area redrawing to their GUI libs |
| [13:22:44] | rekoil: | 1ghz cpu, powervr sgx 535 running 1080p |
| [13:22:48] | rekoil: | henkpoley: no no, xbmc |
| [13:22:53] | rekoil: | sorry |
| [13:22:59] | henkpoley: | Interesting |
| [13:23:37] | justinh: | I doubt it'll be enough to handle very high bitrate stuff from discs though |
| [13:23:40] | henkpoley: | Does it have a browser with VDA accelerated html5-video support too ? |
| [13:23:47] | justinh: | henkpoley: no |
| [13:23:49] | henkpoley: | I just needs treaming |
| [13:23:51] | rekoil: | justinh: no, strictly x264 1080p |
| [13:23:53] | henkpoley: | streaming |
| [13:24:14] | justinh: | rekoil: so you mean low bitrate rips :P |
| [13:24:20] | rekoil: | henkpoley: there's a browser for it, don't know about acceleration |
| [13:25:09] | henkpoley: | I need a system for a teener, the Mac Mini G4 doesn't quite pull all current broadcast (in recent months, bitrate got heavier) |
| [13:25:33] | henkpoley: | Teen, so would also need youtube stuff :P |
| [13:25:49] | rekoil: | henkpoley: the aTV2 does youtube stock |
| [13:26:01] | rekoil: | and i think xbmc has support for youtube as well |
| [13:26:06] | henkpoley: | XBMC on aTV2 does LiveTV too ? |
| [13:26:25] | rekoil: | not sure about that, like i've said i don't have my backend setup yet |
| [13:26:34] | rekoil: | but it should |
| [13:26:44] | henkpoley: | How beta is this ? |
| [13:26:58] | rekoil: | not classified as beta at all actually |
| [13:27:17] | justinh: | for a hundred notes I've been tempted once I learned of the HW acceleration stuff.. but then I remembered OneBigList(tm) |
| [13:27:33] | henkpoley: | Only released Jan 20th ;-) |
| [13:27:41] | rekoil: | yeah it's recent |
| [13:27:44] | justinh: | that's XBMC's main feature. OneBigList(tm) |
| [13:27:52] | rekoil: | but it's been in development for a long time |
| [13:27:55] | justinh: | mythtv recordings... one big list |
| [13:28:14] | henkpoley: | Is OneBigList a GTD joke ? |
| [13:28:35] | justinh: | no, it's mine |
| [13:28:53] | justinh: | all my 1000 mythtv recordings shown as one big list. no groups |
| [13:29:17] | rekoil: | meh |
| [13:29:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | I'm not sure I would call that a feature. |
| [13:29:23] | rekoil: | so does my PVR anyway :P |
| [13:29:31] | henkpoley: | Ah wait, AppleTV2 is not sold here |
| [13:29:54] | rekoil: | henkpoley: not here either, purchased mine on holiday in australia :) |
| [13:30:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | one things about YouTube is the fact that they are using the new acceleration features in flash. So an ION could be useful for that. Still worthless for Hulu though. |
| [13:30:02] | rekoil: | JEDIDIAH__: (i'm sure that's what justinh was getting at :P) |
| [13:30:02] | justinh: | you can add one of those new fangled decoder baords into an appletv 1 though |
| [13:30:08] | ** henkpoley checks ebay ** | |
| [13:30:20] | rekoil: | justinh: yeah i have that too :P |
| [13:30:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | I am sure justin doesn't have to settle for that, just as I don't. |
| [13:30:39] | rekoil: | but you sacrifice wifi |
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| [13:31:25] | rekoil: | and to be honest, the aTV2 does it better |
| [13:31:36] | henkpoley: | rekoil: when do you sacriface wifi? You're talking CrystalHD isn't it ? |
| [13:31:37] | justinh: | I can live without wifi for media playback. like totally |
| [13:31:43] | rekoil: | henkpoley: yes |
| [13:31:53] | henkpoley: | All my remote frontends are on WiFi |
| [13:32:29] | henkpoley: | None of them run very well though.. |
| [13:32:49] | rekoil: | aTV2 is the perfect frontend for me |
| [13:33:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | Yes I wonder if there is any way to make a wireless frontend suck less besides running a wire. |
| [13:34:10] | rekoil: | get a better wifi network? |
| [13:35:22] | henkpoley: | I'll probably need to roll out gigabit ethernet, and upgrade my airport 802.11n to the gigabit model too |
| [13:35:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | I suppose I could try a N wap. |
| [13:36:07] | rekoil: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah you can't really stream HD over 802.11g :P |
| [13:36:26] | henkpoley: | It's already on 5GHz with 50MHz wide band WiFi here |
| [13:36:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | most of my HD recordings are h264 so it should be less of a problem. |
| [13:37:37] | rekoil: | justinh: i have a very high bitrate the matrix rip that i can try on the aTV2 |
| [13:37:54] | rekoil: | made it for testing, just forgot about it |
| [13:38:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | how are you going to get it to to the aTV? won't iTunes object to it first? |
| [13:39:52] | rekoil: | JEDIDIAH__: no i have xbmc on my atv2 |
| [13:40:06] | rekoil: | i'll stream it over a gbit ethernet cable |
| [13:40:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | my atv is still stock. |
| [13:40:52] | rekoil: | aTV1 ? |
| [13:41:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | atv2. |
| [13:41:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | my atv1 always ran Linux. |
| [13:41:38] | rekoil: | oh |
| [13:41:51] | rekoil: | oh right it was henkpoley that couldn't get one |
| [13:42:19] | rekoil: | JEDIDIAH__: i'd advice you to save your atv2's 4.2.1 shsh as soon as possible if you wanna jailbreak it in the future |
| [13:42:22] | henkpoley: | Well, they are sold in Germany and the UK, so it's probably just €15 shipping extra |
| [13:42:44] | rekoil: | you'll need an application called TinyUmbrella and a microUSB cable to do so |
| [13:42:47] | rekoil: | it's very easy |
| [13:43:10] | rekoil: | henkpoley: where do you live? |
| [13:43:13] | henkpoley: | I already use the umbrella, still don't have a MicroSUB though :P |
| [13:43:16] | henkpoley: | Netherlands |
| [13:43:25] | rekoil: | ah kk |
| [13:43:26] | justinh: | anyway before the hate mail comes rolling in, or they order a hit again.. maybe XBMC does mythtv integration differently nowadays. It's been a while since I looked at it |
| [13:43:38] | rekoil: | lol |
| [13:43:41] | rekoil: | hope so! |
| [13:44:02] | henkpoley: | I'm starting XMBC on my MacBook right now |
| [13:44:20] | henkpoley: | So lets see |
| [13:44:31] | rekoil: | henkpoley: got the latest release? |
| [13:44:56] | henkpoley: | Just downloaded 10.0, so yes |
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| [13:45:20] | rekoil: | kk awesome |
| [13:45:34] | justinh: | somebody really didn't like it when I explained to folks at a linux expo that although XBMC for the original xbox was open source it had to be built with tools you're not supposed to have. that caused a few raised eyebrows |
| [13:45:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | playing with my other jailbroken devices really dampened my enthusiasm about jailbreaking the ATV2. |
| [13:46:17] | henkpoley: | Installing "MythBox" |
| [13:46:41] | rekoil: | JEDIDIAH__: you don't want xbmc on it? :P |
| [13:46:54] | justinh: | but then that was mostly cos I saw the filenames they were playing.. release group names & all – after somebody had the audacity to castigate me for playing Tv recordings instead of CC videos. Sheesh |
| [13:47:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | I could just put XBMC on the myth box sitting next to it. |
| [13:47:27] | justinh: | FOSS advocacy sure.. but piracy advocacy? lol |
| [13:47:38] | henkpoley: | I wonder if they have XBMC for the iPhone 4 planned :P |
| [13:47:50] | justinh: | they dun done it |
| [13:47:55] | rekoil: | henkpoley: it's already released |
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| [13:48:11] | henkpoley: | Maybe I should test it over there first then |
| [13:48:15] | justinh: | and the iSanitaryTowel |
| [13:49:08] | rekoil: | henkpoley: it's the same hardware as the aTV2 so yeah, it would run just as well i reckon |
| [13:49:17] | rekoil: | i hate the fact that so many people associate jailbreaking with piracy |
| [13:49:22] | henkpoley: | Except the UI is very different |
| [13:49:33] | rekoil: | sure, it enables it, but it enables so much more |
| [13:49:41] | henkpoley: | I don't even think they have the same UIKit, and of course touch is missing |
| [13:49:43] | justinh: | just wait til the 1st test case for that lol |
| [13:49:52] | rekoil: | henkpoley: it does have uikit |
| [13:50:02] | rekoil: | justinh: jailbreaking is already legal in the states |
| [13:50:09] | justinh: | bet apple can't wait to have an end user licence agreement where they tell you you're only renting the hardware |
| [13:50:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | it depends on the device (whether it's legal or not) |
| [13:50:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | Sony is having a field day presently. |
| [13:50:32] | rekoil: | lol |
| [13:51:28] | justinh: | rekoil: I wasn't saying jailbreaking is like piracy. I was saying that taking an xbox running XBMC to an expo & playing downloaded pirated videos is like piracy |
| [13:51:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | I could see the courts having a very narrow view of what the copyright registrar declared wrt phones. |
| [13:52:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | no. That's just sloppy. rename the videos. although some people would accuse you anyways. |
| [13:52:25] | rekoil: | justinh: yeah i know, but when you said that it got me thinking about piracy and i just wanted to mention that i hate how jailbreaking is associated with piracy :) |
| [13:52:54] | justinh: | rekoil: especially seeing as earlier that day I had a very animated discussion – er I mean the bloke yelled at me a lot – about why I wasn't using CC videos instead of TV |
| [13:53:04] | henkpoley: | Ehh, XMBC needs NFS mounts ? |
| [13:53:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | xbmc will use a variety of things, network file system wise. |
| [13:53:30] | rekoil: | it does samba just fine |
| [13:54:15] | henkpoley: | Also, can XMBC wake up the backend system ? |
| [13:54:48] | rekoil: | no idea i'm afraid |
| [13:54:58] | justinh: | wonder if they fixed the hostname/IP issue |
| [13:55:12] | rekoil: | which issue? |
| [13:55:13] | justinh: | a while back it'd only work with a resolvable host name for a myth backend |
| [13:55:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | Isn't WOL more dependent onthe backend box itself> |
| [13:55:25] | justinh: | if you put the IP address in it'd appear to work but nothing would play |
| [13:55:49] | henkpoley: | Well, it needs to send the WOL packet, the other stuff I have already solved |
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| [13:56:33] | henkpoley: | Also, I'm currently using the mythbackend fileserver, not smb/nfs |
| [13:57:02] | justinh: | not that it's much sweat to set NFS up |
| [13:57:04] | henkpoley: | I can't really get any joy in needing to debug another network system |
| [13:57:15] | justinh: | SMB on the other hand.. oy oy oy |
| [13:57:34] | rekoil: | smb isn't that bad |
| [13:57:42] | henkpoley: | Isn't NFS giving stall problems on OS X when the server goes away (like always, with a laptop client) |
| [13:57:45] | rekoil: | xbmc does http as well |
| [13:58:07] | henkpoley: | stall as in, hanging the filesystem (or at least Finder) |
| [13:58:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | why not use SMB for macos? seems to work with minimal fuss. |
| [13:58:55] | rekoil: | afp is best with macs |
| [13:59:03] | rekoil: | but i use samba and it works fine |
| [13:59:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | afp is more of a bother to setup on non-macs. |
| [13:59:37] | rekoil: | yes |
| [13:59:39] | rekoil: | indeed it is |
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| [14:00:35] | henkpoley: | My backend is linux (as for most I guess) |
| [14:00:51] | rekoil: | linux ftw |
| [14:01:13] | henkpoley: | Odd that XBMC does stream LiveTV through mythbackend |
| [14:01:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | my backend is based on NFS and has always been setup to accomodate windows machines (meaning SMB too) |
| [14:03:09] | Azelphur: | I'm evil, there's only one windows user in my house. So I just said run a vm :D |
| [14:03:19] | Azelphur: | (He couldn't get the windows frontend to work, kept crashing) |
| [14:03:28] | justinh: | no, evil would be saying no to windows at all :D |
| [14:03:39] | Azelphur: | vm is sort of no to windows at all? :D |
| [14:03:41] | justinh: | and then burning the windows install CD |
| [14:03:51] | henkpoley: | Does the windows frontend even work (I don't have a fast enough Windows system atm anyways) ? |
| [14:03:57] | justinh: | no, saying no absolutely. no windows, not even in a virtual machine :D |
| [14:04:02] | henkpoley: | And does it have hardware video decoding ? |
| [14:04:03] | Azelphur: | haha |
| [14:04:10] | justinh: | henkpoley: no it doesn't |
| [14:04:27] | ** henkpoley scratches more options ** | |
| [14:04:31] | justinh: | and it just isn't going away |
| [14:05:02] | justinh: | not even sure if XBMC does hardware acceleration on windows |
| [14:05:56] | justinh: | oops. yes they do now. lol |
| [14:06:58] | ** henkpoley tries XBMC in my iphone ** | |
| [14:07:51] | henkpoley: | I don't think there's MythBox for XBMC/iOS |
| [14:08:47] | henkpoley: | Oh wait, there's something under Video Add-ons |
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| [14:10:31] | henkpoley: | Now lets see if I can open the configuration thingy of MythBox |
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| [14:12:58] | henkpoley: | Ah, on iOS you just need to open MythBox, it will give an error, then switch to config |
| [14:13:24] | henkpoley: | WTF, tiny on screen buttons.. |
| [14:23:21] | rekoil: | henkpoley: it's not been optimized for iphone yet |
| [14:23:49] | rekoil: | you can use xbmc_remote to control it though i reckon |
| [14:25:20] | rekoil: | svn repo http://atv-xbmc-launcher.googlecode.com/svn/b . . . /xbmc_remote |
| [14:25:35] | rekoil: | don't forget to enable control from other systems first though |
| [14:28:21] | henkpoley: | XBMC remote means that another XBMC takes it over |
| [14:28:25] | henkpoley: | ? |
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| [14:32:05] | rekoil: | oh wait, i should probably mention that that is an x86 osx binary |
| [14:32:14] | rekoil: | of course, the source is there too |
| [14:32:16] | rekoil: | and no |
| [14:32:29] | rekoil: | it just creates a window which passes keyboard presses to the xbmc client |
| [14:32:41] | henkpoley: | My OS X XBMC does have options to publish itself over UPNP |
| [14:32:50] | henkpoley: | But I can't really find those options on my iPhone |
| [14:33:12] | rekoil: | no, it has other options in that menu though |
| [14:33:15] | henkpoley: | Might be on Page 2 of "Program Addons" |
| [14:33:20] | rekoil: | no |
| [14:33:21] | henkpoley: | No idea how to get there thouh |
| [14:33:28] | rekoil: | settings > network |
| [14:33:46] | rekoil: | "allow programs on other systems to control xbmc" |
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| [14:39:25] | rekoil: | oh right, one thing, we haven't figure out how to output 1080p on the atv2 yet |
| [14:39:36] | rekoil: | so it decodes 1080p and outputs 720p :P |
| [14:41:33] | henkpoley: | XBMC/Mac also only shows the latest (10?) recordings .. |
| [14:42:39] | henkpoley: | Ah well, being able to watch it comfortably without stutter is better than it being in the best resolution. |
| [14:42:42] | rekoil: | alright, so xbmc on atv2 doesn't do vc1 |
| [14:42:42] | rekoil: | lol |
| [14:42:52] | rekoil: | that gets passed off to the cpu |
| [14:42:56] | rekoil: | which struggles |
| [14:42:58] | rekoil: | to say the least |
| [14:43:27] | henkpoley: | Also XBMC apparently downloads the first result off Google Images ? |
| [14:44:04] | henkpoley: | Gives rather odd results :P |
| [14:44:19] | henkpoley: | I don't think I want to use XBMC as a myth frontend ;) |
| [14:44:53] | rekoil: | lol |
| [14:46:17] | henkpoley: | The idea was nice for a while though :P (sweet Apple TV) |
| [14:47:09] | rekoil: | is there arm support for mythtv frontend? |
| [14:47:18] | rekoil: | (or whatever you use as frontend) |
| [14:47:40] | henkpoley: | You mean for XBMC on iOS ? |
| [14:47:51] | henkpoley: | Or wasn't it directed at me ? |
| [14:48:06] | rekoil: | it was |
| [14:48:15] | rekoil: | and i meant in general |
| [14:48:18] | rekoil: | like, linux |
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| [14:50:35] | rekoil: | right |
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| [14:50:51] | henkpoley: | It appears people have ffmpeg and QT working on ARM, so the core should be available |
| [14:51:40] | rekoil: | well then you're in luck, cause the idroid project is currently porting linux to the A4 devices |
| [14:53:41] | rekoil: | does mythtv frontend do any hardware acceleration for displaying video? |
| [14:54:17] | AndyCap: | rekoil: nvidia vdpau, and I think xvmc |
| [14:54:47] | rekoil: | right, well that's not going to work on atv2 |
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| [14:56:35] | rekoil: | maybe xvmc can be harnessed on the atv2 without too much hassle |
| [14:56:46] | rekoil: | but anyway, that's far into the future :P |
| [14:57:26] | AndyCap: | rekoil: except it's going away |
| [14:57:54] | rekoil: | well, i will re-add it if xbmc myth frontend sucks so much |
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| [14:58:35] | rekoil: | ...or i'll work on the xbmc frontend :P |
| [14:58:44] | rekoil: | that's probably way easier |
| [14:59:06] | rekoil: | that way i can pass off all the nasty stuff to davilla :P |
| [14:59:14] | henkpoley: | I believe the MythBox addon is under the 'script' category, so it might be simple to adapt |
| [14:59:31] | rekoil: | i'm sure it will be |
| [14:59:36] | rekoil: | anyway, nice talking to you guys |
| [14:59:59] | henkpoley: | I still don't know hot to fix my broken frontend though.. |
| [15:00:18] | rekoil: | if you're interested in linux on atv2, i'm in #idroid-dev on this network |
| [15:00:35] | rekoil: | not much is happening right now, but we'll get there, eventually |
| [15:00:37] | rekoil: | :P |
| [15:00:42] | rekoil: | bye bye |
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| [15:01:02] | henkpoley: | Well, I;d like to have better than Mac Mini G4 frontend like yesterday.. |
| [15:01:10] | henkpoley: | No in 6 months time after much hacking ;) |
| [15:01:18] | henkpoley: | Though that's fun too |
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| [15:03:29] | henkpoley: | MythBox appears to be Python + libFFMPEG |
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| [16:17:29] | henkpoley: | Why am I not seeing anything in MythFrontend ? As in, I only see the grey background of the theme |
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| [16:19:37] | justinh: | WTH? I've just had a ranty email from a video company claiming the website I run has infringed its copyright |
| [16:20:04] | justinh: | it's a dog training club site & some of the people who run courses have embedded youtube videos in a page |
| [16:20:15] | justinh: | copyright.. of a video uploaded to youtube? hmm |
| [16:20:32] | henkpoley: | You are mistaken, that's just by some lawfirm that hopes to get some money on behalf of a client. |
| [16:20:43] | justinh: | "I hope this matter will be dealt with imediatly." |
| [16:20:47] | justinh: | some lawyer |
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| [16:21:33] | iamlindoro: | If they don't want their videos to be embeddable, then they need to set them as non embeddable on youtube |
| [16:21:45] | justinh: | yeh I'm gonna hit her with that |
| [16:21:49] | iamlindoro: | It's one checkbox |
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| [16:29:17] | justinh: | and it's only one video. for a 'pro' outfit it's also not what I'd call worth paying for.. or even watching |
| [16:29:21] | justinh: | deleted |
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| [16:41:35] | justinh: | er.. youtube seem to say otherwise |
| [16:49:03] | justinh: | or not. wth I'm gonna give the woman some stick |
| [16:49:34] | justinh: | the email ends with BTW if you'd like to hire my photo/video company... LOL |
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| [17:03:01] | justinh: | video in question was badly shot, awfully titled, nastily edited and er.. had Sandie Shaw – Puppet On A String as its soundtrack – and they preached to ME about copyright |
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| [17:06:47] | wagnerrp: | so apparently some company is trying to replace copper with aluminum for high power conductors in electric vehicles |
| [17:06:54] | wagnerrp: | in order to stem the tide of copper theft |
| [17:07:11] | justinh: | great! |
| [17:07:22] | wagnerrp: | why cant we just make copper theft a capitol offense? |
| [17:08:02] | wagnerrp: | i mean seriously, you steal installed copper, youre worthless vermin |
| [17:08:32] | iamlindoro: | justinh: "Thank you very much for bringing the posting of your video to my attention. I am glad we share a similar dedication to the protection of intellectual property rights. Because of our shared passion for intellectual property, I have contacted Universal Music to see if they would extend to me similar licensing terms to those offered to you in the shooting of my own material. Thanks." |
| [17:08:41] | wagnerrp: | youre ether destroying piping which could take thousands to replace, and tens of thousands of water damage |
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| [17:09:10] | wagnerrp: | or youre destroying transformers, something that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars |
| [17:09:22] | wagnerrp: | all for at most a few hundred worth of scrap |
| [17:10:20] | justinh: | iamlindoro: heh. I pondered doing that. the video was awful anyway.. it was dragging the page down |
| [17:10:57] | uW: | tell me about it..i've seen cases these morons cut live wire |
| [17:10:58] | justinh: | eew. just looked at her website. I see an opportunity |
| [17:11:20] | wagnerrp: | uW: well... in that case it IS a capitol offense |
| [17:11:45] | wagnerrp: | with immediate judgment and sentencing |
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| [17:13:09] | uW: | yup..and the best part is that they are so stupid that they can't tell the difference between fiber and copper, so all of a sudden a reel of fiber disappears |
| [17:13:30] | justinh: | why do I have a feeling she's really not going to like my reply.. and I wasn't even being a smartass |
| [17:17:09] | wagnerrp: | uW: destroying power substations? destroying fiber communications lines? that smells of terrorism! |
| [17:18:34] | uW: | wagnerrp: lol |
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| [17:23:33] | sid3windr: | an offense to the capitol, eh |
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| [17:33:45] | lordbla: | hi everyone |
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| [17:34:47] | lordbla: | i currently have some stability-issues with my mythtv-frontend |
| [17:37:08] | lordbla: | like, when mythtv is transcoing or commercial-flagging and i want to watch a record, it will tell me to wait, freeze and never wake up |
| [17:37:45] | wagnerrp: | you mean when you hit play, the screen will blank with the text 'Please wait...'? |
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| [17:37:53] | lordbla: | aye |
| [17:38:05] | wagnerrp: | are these recordings, or live tv? |
| [17:38:25] | lordbla: | recordings |
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| [17:38:50] | wagnerrp: | youre transcoding/commflagging on this machine? or a remote backend? |
| [17:38:58] | lordbla: | same machine |
| [17:39:08] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin your frontend logs? |
| [17:39:44] | lordbla: | sure, might take some minutes |
| [17:42:04] | lordbla: | trying to force the error, but it currently won't happen :-) |
| [17:43:04] | lordbla: | frontend logging was disabled |
| [17:43:35] | lordbla: | just activated and will post as soon as it happens again :- |
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| [17:56:40] | lordbla: | pastebin.com/xsWmN00d |
| [17:57:14] | lordbla: | sorry, logging was activated, just searched at the wrong place |
| [17:58:23] | lordbla: | that's todays log, killed the frontend via xkill several times today, but only after it got unresponsive |
| [17:58:41] | wagnerrp: | do you have multiple instances of the frontend going simultaneously? |
| [17:58:51] | wagnerrp: | the timing on these logs seems impossible otherwise |
| [17:58:53] | lordbla: | nope |
| [17:59:27] | wagnerrp: | and the backend is running at the same time, also feeding into this same log file |
| [17:59:33] | lordbla: | maybe xkill didn't kill the full frontend? |
| [17:59:48] | wagnerrp: | oh, no... thats probably the preview generator running |
| [18:00:05] | wagnerrp: | dont know why the frontend would be running that though |
| [18:00:11] | wagnerrp: | looks awfully messy |
| [18:00:32] | wagnerrp: | im talking about stuff like starting at 2453 |
| [18:00:46] | lordbla: | mythbuntu, hadly changed configs |
| [18:01:51] | Beirdo: | I feel like replying to the ML.. "WTF is a tunner?" |
| [18:02:50] | wagnerrp: | an airforce lt general who took part commanding the berlin airlift |
| [18:02:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:03:31] | henkpoley: | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tunner |
| [18:03:56] | Beirdo: | tunning means putting into a large cask (about 252 gallons) |
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| [18:04:11] | wagnerrp: | oh, so he wants to know how large to make his glass pack? |
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| [18:04:36] | wagnerrp: | henkpoley: what video card do you have? |
| [18:04:40] | Beirdo: | but "tunner" ain't a word :) |
| [18:04:56] | Beirdo: | and nobody bothers to fix the speeling |
| [18:05:14] | wagnerrp: | sure it is... its an aircraft loader... http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/tunner.htm |
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| [18:07:03] | Beirdo: | no, that's a Tunner |
| [18:07:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:07:12] | Beirdo: | i.e. it's a proper name |
| [18:08:39] | lordbla: | i guess my problem is in lines 1811–1820? |
| [18:08:55] | wagnerrp: | thats what im thinking |
| [18:09:23] | lordbla: | so might be a driver issue? |
| [18:09:40] | lordbla: | or some other app blocking vdpau... |
| [18:11:41] | lordbla: | i sometimes used mplayer to check my transcodes while the frontend was running |
| [18:11:57] | lordbla: | but not playing |
| [18:12:54] | lordbla: | then quit mplayer and just switched back to frontend |
| [18:13:01] | henkpoley: | I've seen reports that Flash 10.2 with VDPAU enabled can break VDPAU playback (on some hardware) after has played a video. |
| [18:13:13] | henkpoley: | So I guess VDPAU is sometimes a bit wonky |
| [18:13:33] | henkpoley: | What happens after a fresh boot / X restart ? |
| [18:14:06] | lordbla: | everything working fine after that |
| [18:14:55] | lordbla: | have to leave now |
| [18:15:09] | lordbla: | see you later :-) |
| [18:19:34] | kormoc: | henkpoley, I wouldn't blame VDPAU on that, flash acceleration is new and likely just doesn't reset the hardware back to vanilla correctly |
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| [18:20:12] | henkpoley: | Well, when a program has quit, that should not be a problem. |
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| [18:44:35] | kormoc: | henkpoley, sadly it's up to the program to reset the card back |
| [18:45:11] | henkpoley: | Is that in a way that any new app can't reset it ? |
| [18:46:25] | bobgill: | Trying to run mythbackup_converge.pl and got error: http://pastebin.com/Wbfftxef |
| [18:49:56] | kormoc: | henkpoley, I'm not sure. I think you have to release the resources by handles and without the addresses for the handles, I don't know if you can |
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| [18:50:29] | kormoc: | bobgill, install Config::Vars |
| [18:50:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | In response to the "backwards compatible API" thread, I feel like responding "Your suggestion to improve the API has been noted, and is targeted for release in MythTV version 1.0" ;-) |
| [18:51:49] | henkpoley: | Would be pretty odd for a unix implementation that after you close all files in /dev (by crashing, for example) the driver will not abort. But it's possible. |
| [18:52:06] | bobgill: | kormoc: how? |
| [18:52:34] | kormoc: | bobgill, your package manager? cpan? |
| [18:53:06] | kormoc: | henkpoley, no, it's all in the card's memory, not the kernel's memory. Different levels |
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| [18:53:58] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: too soon. version 100.0 |
| [18:54:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Hehehehe... ;-) I figured it would be at least 75 revisions away, what's that, about 32.5 years? |
| [18:54:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | er.. releases away. ;-) |
| [18:55:03] | Beirdo: | well, 1.0 may not be that far off, depends on how the version numbers flow out |
| [18:55:38] | sid3windr: | 75 releases after 0.25 there's 0.100, J-e-f-f-A ;) |
| [18:56:00] | kormoc: | Version 1.eINF |
| [18:56:07] | wagnerrp: | look at firefox, 10 years to get to version 4 |
| [18:56:14] | wagnerrp: | and then 4, 5, 6, and 7 all in one year |
| [18:56:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think there was talk of realigning our version numbers ongoing |
| [18:56:34] | Beirdo: | so who knows. |
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| [18:57:03] | wagnerrp: | a while back, there was talk about defining several future improvements that addition of such would mark version 1.0 |
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| [18:57:36] | Beirdo: | yeah. so who knows how many version it would take from here to 1.0 :) |
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| [18:58:30] | wagnerrp: | minimal backwards compatibility for aged frontends would be something i would like for 1.0 |
| [18:58:42] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, thats not going to happen until we have an embedded database |
| [18:59:02] | wagnerrp: | and that alone wont do it, we need to convert /all/ sql queries into mythprotocol |
| [18:59:18] | Beirdo: | whatever said protocol may be at that point |
| [19:00:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | right. ;-) |
| [19:00:23] | Beirdo: | I'm just waiting for a broadcaster to include []:[] in an episode title, just to mess us up |
| [19:00:31] | wagnerrp: | by that point, id also like to move away from the '[]:[]' and ' ' demarcation |
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| [19:00:42] | bobgill: | ok installed config::vars and re-ran mythconverg_backup.pl and get this error: http://pastebin.com/wiSCUzj5 |
| [19:00:55] | wagnerrp: | personally, id be happy just using json |
| [19:01:06] | Beirdo: | json sounds like a good option to me |
| [19:01:08] | wagnerrp: | its fairly lightweight, supports objects |
| [19:01:18] | wagnerrp: | ive not looked into protobuf |
| [19:01:22] | Beirdo: | protobuf is nice, but json is more supported by various languages |
| [19:01:33] | wagnerrp: | but to be honest, i dont know what protobuf would get us that we couldnt do with json |
| [19:01:37] | wagnerrp: | besides another dependency |
| [19:01:56] | Beirdo: | a more strictly defined protocol |
| [19:02:03] | Beirdo: | but do we really want/need thatn? |
| [19:02:20] | Beirdo: | I'd be fine with json |
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| [19:07:22] | wagnerrp: | that way, things could be named and order would no longer matter |
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| [19:07:46] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:07:54] | wagnerrp: | and with the modular server changes im making, you could just load in additional objects for handling older protocol versions |
| [19:08:12] | Beirdo: | we'd still need to define the contents of said object, but it's easier to extend |
| [19:09:02] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, it would not be easy, but at leas do-able |
| [19:09:11] | wagnerrp: | but not until all database access is removed |
| [19:09:17] | Beirdo: | actually, in my MUD code, I'm considering turfing the protobuf layer completely, and going with only json |
| [19:09:28] | qwerty__: | I just changed video cards, and now when X loads the monitor powers off. In console it works fine. I set it up for s-video out but the card didn't have s-video out. Now the card does have s-video out. I connect it to the tv through a rf modulator and sees comes on. What's the problem? How do I reconfigure it for my video card? |
| [19:10:00] | wagnerrp: | say that again? |
| [19:10:12] | wagnerrp: | youre running X, you plug svideo-->tv and get no signal |
| [19:10:24] | wagnerrp: | but if you do svideo-->modulator-->rf-->tv, you get signal? |
| [19:10:54] | qwerty__: | I had a video card with hdmi out, no hdmi. It came up fine on my monitor. I put in a new video card with s-video. Command line comes up fine, but when I go to the gui the monitor now powers itself off. |
| [19:11:26] | qwerty__: | I get nothing in gui, or tv. |
| [19:11:48] | wagnerrp: | what do you want it to output on? |
| [19:12:01] | qwerty__: | Output to vga and s-video. |
| [19:12:10] | wagnerrp: | and? both at the same time? |
| [19:12:28] | qwerty__: | It's fine with vga on the command line, it's the gui and s-video it's now working on. |
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| [19:12:52] | wagnerrp: | dump your existing xorg.conf |
| [19:12:55] | wagnerrp: | log in as root |
| [19:13:02] | wagnerrp: | run 'X -configure' |
| [19:13:17] | wagnerrp: | copy the new /root/xorg.conf.net to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| [19:13:20] | wagnerrp: | startx |
| [19:13:25] | wagnerrp: | go into nvidia-setup |
| [19:13:29] | wagnerrp: | and configure your displays from there |
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| [19:18:00] | qwerty__: | Monitor comes on, but I get just a black screen. |
| [19:19:05] | wagnerrp: | what distro are you running? |
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| [19:19:24] | qwerty__: | wagnerrp: mythbuntu. |
| [19:19:35] | wagnerrp: | might want to try in #ubuntu |
| [19:19:53] | wagnerrp: | im sure theyve funkified the normal Xorg setup in order to be more automated |
| [19:20:02] | wagnerrp: | meaning the normal procedure may no longer work |
| [19:20:04] | qwerty__: | Ok thanks. |
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| [19:23:27] | wagnerrp: | 'if i dont want to pay for the content, i can always search the internet and find it somewhere else' |
| [19:23:35] | wagnerrp: | come on people... why do you say these things... |
| [19:24:23] | Shadow__X: | for some of the same reasons why twitter is around? People like to blurt things out |
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| [19:25:24] | wagnerrp: | its like people posting images of themselves brandishing weapons and their weed farm on facebook |
| [19:25:37] | wagnerrp: | hey! come arrest me! |
| [19:27:08] | Azelphur: | http://500motivators.com/plog-content/thumbs/ . . . em-filez.jpg |
| [19:27:09] | Azelphur: | like this? :D |
| [19:27:59] | ** wagnerrp notices the word 'replica' printed on the side of those guns ** | |
| [19:28:16] | skd5aner: | and desert eagle .50 printed on the side of mine |
| [19:28:28] | Azelphur: | lol |
| [19:28:49] | Azelphur: | I have small non lethal weaponry, I can temporarily blind people with my phone \o/ |
| [19:28:58] | ** wagnerrp supposes he woke on on the wrong end of two smoking barrels ** | |
| [19:29:05] | wagnerrp: | yeeeaaaahhhhh |
| [19:29:05] | skd5aner: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [19:29:05] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux is here and has been idle for 21 hours 7 minutes 40 seconds |
| [19:29:08] | ** wagnerrp puts on subglasses ** | |
| [19:29:13] | wagnerrp: | sunglasses |
| [19:29:16] | Azelphur: | haha |
| [19:29:22] | Azelphur: | problem solved :p |
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| [19:30:16] | wagnerrp: | is that a cigar cutter or a bulky flash drive? |
| [19:30:46] | wagnerrp: | he cleans those guns using the palmolive in the background |
| [19:30:46] | kormoc: | is that a bloody knife? |
| [19:31:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont see blood, just a kitchen knife |
| [19:31:08] | kormoc: | it looks red to me |
| [19:31:30] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: I noticed that jamu is no longer working for me in current 0.24-fixes, but it appears you sent a suggested fix to the mailing list. I tested it out, and it appears to work. Any chance you'd be willing to submit that as a patch for fixes? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/467219#467219 |
| [19:35:19] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: let me know if you'd like some additional details |
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| [19:37:40] | skd5aner: | got to reboot |
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| [19:39:46] | wagnerrp: | is the PCI bus bi-directional? or broadcast? |
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| [19:46:28] | qwerty__: | Fixed. Added 'UseDisplayDelive DFP to xorg.conf, restarted x. Didn't start, removed the entry, restarted X, now works. File this under WTF? |
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| [19:47:25] | wagnerrp: | DFP is digital flat panel, meaning DVI or HDMI |
| [19:47:30] | wagnerrp: | not VGA |
| [19:48:11] | qwerty__: | wagnerrp: all I did was add an entry to xorg.conf, restarted x, it erred out. I removed the entry, and now it works. |
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| [19:54:37] | sphery: | Any users here who run MythTV on a system with Compiz who can give me a line out of their mythfrontend log file? |
| [19:54:55] | qwerty__: | It works! Now I just have to wait on the ir receiver to get here and my mythtv will finally be up and running. |
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| [20:02:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, does it need to be current HEAD or can it be an older version? |
| [20:04:11] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: 0.24-fixes would be fine |
| [20:04:37] | sphery: | looking for the line in the OpenGL init that says whether it's using direct or indirect rendering |
| [20:04:50] | sphery: | at -v general level, so in default log output |
| [20:05:05] | sphery: | should be just after the "Using the OpenGL Painter" line |
| [20:07:14] | sphery: | something like: 2011-02–05 04:24:19.836 OpenGL: Direct rendering: Yes |
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| [20:12:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | OpenGL: Direct Rendering: Yes |
| [20:13:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's trunk from right before the git cutover I think. |
| [20:13:29] | sphery: | and with Compiz running? |
| [20:13:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes, got my 6-sided sphere with cube caps, etc.. :) |
| [20:13:56] | sphery: | if so, that's awesome--means we can likely auto-detect which theme-painter to use |
| [20:14:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | are there any compiz options which might affect that. let me go check my config for a sec. |
| [20:14:50] | sphery: | no, if you're running compiz, that's enough |
| [20:15:10] | sphery: | though one last question... do you know if yours is a Compiz that uses Xgl or one that uses AIGLX? |
| [20:15:35] | sphery: | Since May 22, 2006, Compiz has been using AIGLX, but since you're known to run CentOS for ages... :) |
| [20:15:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | this is Fedora 12 |
| [20:15:50] | sphery: | cool, so should be an AIGLX one |
| [20:15:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | laptop :) |
| [20:15:52] | sphery: | nice |
| [20:16:03] | sphery: | Guess I can just push the patch and see who yells... :) |
| [20:16:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | and my FE's at home already have a FE14 nfsroot image waiting for them. just need to work out a volume control issue. |
| [20:16:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | nice upgrade, FC5 -> FE14 for the FE's. :) |
| [20:16:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | or F14 I guess, no E in there. |
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| [20:16:59] | sphery: | btw, this is a patch that wagnerrp and kormoc came up with--autodetect whether we can do sufficiently-fast OpenGL to use the GL painter, so that you don't have to do -O ThemePainter=qt when you ssh |
| [20:17:17] | sphery: | wow, FC5->FC14... that's like 8 better! |
| [20:17:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | 9 even |
| [20:17:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:17:37] | wagnerrp: | more, autodetect if there is opengl hardware underneath... any opengl hardware should be fast enough |
| [20:17:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | which is a concidence since before FC5 it was RH9 |
| [20:18:00] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:18:38] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: thanks a lot for looking/testing for me |
| [20:18:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, not necessarily. I also need to swap out my ancient NVidia GeForce4 MX 440 from the main FE. :) |
| [20:18:45] | sphery: | should make things a lot easier for people |
| [20:18:54] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: yes necessarily |
| [20:19:01] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: that's still good for the (current) UI OpenGL |
| [20:19:08] | wagnerrp: | my rage 128 in my laptop has no problem handling the opengl UI painter |
| [20:19:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | works but is slow |
| [20:19:16] | wagnerrp: | at 1600x1200 |
| [20:19:23] | wagnerrp: | 16MB of raw powah! |
| [20:19:30] | sphery: | I ran 1920x1080@60Hz on my GF4MX440 with OpenGL theme painter |
| [20:20:06] | sphery: | only places where the OpenGL was insufficient were video rendering and Goom and MythGallery OpenGL transitions |
| [20:20:22] | sphery: | (and the last may have been more an issue with memory bandwidth than the OpenGL performance) |
| [20:20:53] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: while youre here, im struggling to follow the code path for BACKEND_MESSAGES in a slave backend |
| [20:20:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | guess I can say it's a combinatio of things making it 'slow' compared to what we're upgrading from (Qt painter w/ Titivillus theme, so that shows you how far production systems are about to jump) |
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| [20:21:27] | wagnerrp: | in remoteutil.cpp, it seems that if the process has registered as a backend, it sends the message back into the event queue |
| [20:21:40] | wagnerrp: | and MainServer::customEvent is supposed to handle it from there |
| [20:21:53] | sphery: | wow, big jump |
| [20:22:17] | sphery: | I actually just upgraded from MythTV 0.23-fixes to 0.24-fixes--and in the middle of a TV season |
| [20:22:30] | wagnerrp: | although it seems like that same code should run for both inbound and outbound messages |
| [20:22:39] | sphery: | I skipped 0.22 and held off on 0.23-fixes until the season ended (so ran 0.21-fixes for a long time) |
| [20:22:49] | wagnerrp: | how does it know not to bounce the message right back out to the rest of the network? |
| [20:23:08] | sphery: | but I was actually more trusting of 0.24-fixes than 0.23-fixes (where I knew most all of the issues of 0.23-fixes) |
| [20:23:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, we don't want slaves to open another MBE connection via gCoreContext, so they send an event to MainServer::customEvent so it can send over the existing MBE connection. |
| [20:23:37] | wagnerrp: | titivillus... meaning you were still running 0.21? |
| [20:23:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, no comment. :) |
| [20:24:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/were/are/ |
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| [20:24:20] | sphery: | 0.21-fixes was a good version |
| [20:24:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | need to do a few things before I can switch. |
| [20:24:28] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: right, i saw that it maintains its own connection and callbacks so commands can be sent directly to slave backends |
| [20:24:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, very stable. |
| [20:24:33] | sphery: | everyone knows it's the 2nd best version--only bested by 0.18.1 |
| [20:24:52] | sphery: | (which I'm pretty sure one of our vocal users is still running) |
| [20:24:53] | wagnerrp: | but what i dont understand is what happens to inbound messages |
| [20:25:05] | wagnerrp: | say a SYSTEM_EVENT comes in |
| [20:25:27] | wagnerrp: | the ProcessRequestWork should strip BACKEND_MESSAGE from it |
| [20:25:32] | wagnerrp: | and pass it on to the rest of the system |
| [20:25:52] | wagnerrp: | that event will get passed onto itself |
| [20:26:04] | wagnerrp: | so a slave backend should broadcast it right back out to the network |
| [20:26:16] | wagnerrp: | which doesnt happen, and i dont understand why |
| [20:27:22] | wagnerrp: | the same case with any other inbound BACKEND_MESSAGE |
| [20:28:29] | wagnerrp: | it should get sent into the event queue, picked up by MainServer::customEvent, and dumped right back out onto the network to any connected client that wants events |
| [20:29:17] | wagnerrp: | unless im looking at it wrong, and the upstream connection will never be marked as wanting events |
| [20:29:46] | wagnerrp: | but then i dont understand how messages originating from the slave backend make it to the master for broadcast to the rest of the network |
| [20:32:00] | wagnerrp: | unless do messages never originate from slave backends? |
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| [20:35:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | slaves don't 'want events' when they connect, so events don't get propogated to slaves like they do to FE's. that's a big part of why we don't want slaves connecting tot he MBE with gCoreContext because that would set wants events on that connection (wel, it used to, I think I fixed that a while back). so we have to explicitly send to a slave. that's done in loops in various places. |
| [20:35:20] | ** Captain_Murdoch stops to think of more to explain. ** | |
| [20:36:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | when slaves receive a BACKEND_MESSAGE, they send it out as an event to all their registered ::customEvent handlers. |
| [20:36:53] | wagnerrp: | ah, so thats why only CLEAR_SETTINGS_CACHE and GLOBAL_ messages are pushed out to slaves |
| [20:39:05] | ** Captain_Murdoch is trying to recall if we send out BACKEND_MESSAGES from the master to SBE's. ** | |
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| [20:42:54] | wagnerrp: | it does not appear so |
| [20:42:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | slaves don't re-broadcast every event they receive to the master, but if a slave did somehow have wantsevents turned on, they could get into an event loop of BACKEND_MESSAGEs I think. sorry, my brain is elsewhere. I really need to write this all down, I work in that code seldom enough that I've had to look through it a few times myself to remember how things happen. |
| [20:43:17] | wagnerrp: | thats exactly what im doing |
| [20:43:32] | wagnerrp: | the upstream connection is announced as a Monitor, rather than a SlaveBackend |
| [20:43:42] | wagnerrp: | so it is receiving those events, and bouncing them right back to the master |
| [20:44:47] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if it would be worth reworking that whole pathway |
| [20:45:05] | wagnerrp: | maybe tagging messages with some sort of hash, to prevent them from being processed more than once |
| [20:45:17] | wagnerrp: | store the hash, flush it after a few seconds |
| [20:45:32] | wagnerrp: | if you get a repeat hash, let it die |
| [20:46:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | even a simple 'we received this, so don't send it' flag if we had a more structured protocol or handled it in a more structured way internally rather than a strlist. |
| [20:47:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | master should be the only one resending things. |
| [20:47:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | ie, FE sends to master to get to SBE. |
| [20:47:20] | wagnerrp: | i can just add that directly to the MythEvent class |
| [20:47:35] | wagnerrp: | with a check at that top of the method to return if it was received |
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| [20:56:27] | wagnerrp: | should slavebackends getting a 'MESSAGE' forward it upstream? |
| [20:56:55] | wagnerrp: | or should all those already be sent to the master by the originating client? |
| [21:03:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | clients only connect directly to slaves for file transfers. they should never send anything to a SBE that is destined for the MBE. |
| [21:03:42] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [21:04:09] | wagnerrp: | all those messages from the clients would be through gCoreContext, which only connects to the master backend? |
| [21:04:11] | adub_: | anyone in here just run mythbuntu as os install?? |
| [21:04:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | the whole system definitely needs documenting. |
| [21:05:03] | wagnerrp: | also, per a discussion in here with Beirdo earlier |
| [21:05:19] | wagnerrp: | what are your thoughts on switching to something like json for data transfer |
| [21:05:27] | wagnerrp: | instead of the existing []:[] divider |
| [21:05:58] | wagnerrp: | protobuf was being thrown around a lot months ago, but theres no real need for it |
| [21:06:40] | wagnerrp: | and a json parser could be added fairly easily without need for external library |
| [21:07:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | probably depends on what it expands something like a programinfo wire structure to. that's one of the things we exchange most often. if it takes 2–3x the space because of overhead then that's an argument against when you have 1000+ recordings. I'm not against it, we need better structure. just need to make sure we consider performance with our dataset. |
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| [21:08:32] | wagnerrp: | size for a programinfo might as much as double |
| [21:08:46] | qwerty__: | The video card I am using isnt power enough to handle the hd I get from the networks (no sd available) how can I change the settings so mythtv doesn't record it in such high quality, or change the playback? I can't find this setting. |
| [21:08:48] | wagnerrp: | basically, youre going to end up with a minimal amount of markup, and names for all the fields passes |
| [21:08:50] | wagnerrp: | passed |
| [21:09:22] | wagnerrp: | the field names are what would hurt us on space, but what would make it a lot cleaner to implement |
| [21:09:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | if it helps readability and backwards compatibility and cleans up code, then I'm all for it. :) |
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| [21:09:53] | adub_: | has anyone in here used the hvr 1250 cards? |
| [21:09:59] | wagnerrp: | i have one, yes |
| [21:10:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | provided it doesn't take me a lot longer to read the program list. |
| [21:10:18] | adub_: | Hauppauge 1196 WinTV HVR-1250 Hybrid TV Tuner Card |
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| [21:10:31] | adub_: | wagerrp you like it im borrowing from a friend so i can test it out |
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| [21:10:48] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: basically, instead of 'tag1[]:[]tag2[]:[]tag3...' |
| [21:10:56] | adub_: | so woo hoo i have an instant encoder yesterday framgrabber today encoder but im redoing my machine something went crazy with it |
| [21:11:08] | wagnerrp: | you would have '"name": "tag1", "name": "tag2", ...' |
| [21:11:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) we need to look at optimizing that. load only the current recgroup, etc.. possibly load the complete list in the background so we can cache it for quick recgroup switches. |
| [21:11:36] | adub_: | im doing a fresh os install and to save me some grief and headache im just going to ride with mythbuntu |
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| [21:11:40] | adub_: | as an OS |
| [21:11:44] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: the benefit would be you could pass only the fields you actually need |
| [21:11:53] | wagnerrp: | rather than the entire structure every time |
| [21:12:28] | wagnerrp: | adub_: didnt you say you were doing analog cable? |
| [21:12:49] | adub_: | yes |
| [21:12:56] | wagnerrp: | the 1250 is a digital tuner |
| [21:13:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, hard to tell what you need since the theme can access pretty much anything. |
| [21:13:07] | adub_: | but it will pull in analog channels wont it |
| [21:13:28] | wagnerrp: | last i checked, the linux drivers did not support analog on that card |
| [21:13:36] | wagnerrp: | nor would you want to use it anyway, since its a framegrabber |
| [21:14:32] | adub_: | hvr 1250 is a framegrabber |
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| [21:14:52] | wagnerrp: | digital tuner and framegrabber (that likely doesnt work in linux) |
| [21:14:57] | wagnerrp: | the digital tuner part works great |
| [21:15:01] | wagnerrp: | never given me problems |
| [21:15:23] | wagnerrp: | i only had to manually compile drivers for it for the first few months i had it |
| [21:15:29] | wagnerrp: | after that, the drivers were included in the kernel |
| [21:15:35] | wagnerrp: | that was maybe... 2.6.27? |
| [21:15:53] | wagnerrp: | somewhere around three years ago |
| [21:16:01] | adub_: | ya i have used this card before |
| [21:16:48] | adub_: | so if schedules direct it will not display the analog channels |
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| [21:18:42] | wagnerrp: | if you want analog, you should get a hardware encoder |
| [21:18:51] | wagnerrp: | an old PVR-150, or a new HVR-1600 or -2250 |
| [21:19:02] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct doesnt factor in here anywhere |
| [21:20:13] | adub_: | oh |
| [21:20:37] | adub_: | i was thinking that if i had 1250 with schedules i could see channels |
| [21:20:56] | adub_: | the hvr will do digital and analog encoding and is linux ready on both |
| [21:21:15] | wagnerrp: | if the analog side is not supported in linux, being able to pull a channel lineup from schedules direct is irrelevant |
| [21:21:52] | adub_: | seems like for the money the hvr-1600 would be best plus its pci-e |
| [21:22:01] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 is PCI |
| [21:22:01] | adub_: | and i may be able to pull some digital channels |
| [21:22:11] | adub_: | oh darn |
| [21:22:20] | adub_: | the 2250 is pci-e |
| [21:22:28] | adub_: | does the pci-e play a large factor in all this |
| [21:22:57] | wagnerrp: | only in so far as your system has to have the space for it |
| [21:23:14] | wagnerrp: | youre going to be capturing at bitrates of a couple MB/s |
| [21:23:23] | wagnerrp: | no where near the limit of either of those busses |
| [21:23:36] | adub_: | gotcha |
| [21:28:03] | adub_: | wagnerrp what remote do you like with myth |
| [21:28:17] | wagnerrp: | i use mceusb units |
| [21:28:49] | adub_: | do you have a link |
| [21:29:15] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote |
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| [21:30:55] | adub_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 03-_-Product |
| [21:31:03] | adub_: | that one will work fine?? |
| [21:31:43] | wagnerrp: | thats the remote ive got, different receiver though |
| [21:31:46] | wagnerrp: | should work fine |
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| [21:32:42] | uW: | i want the professional installation for only $249.99 |
| [21:33:14] | uW: | i wanna protect my investment |
| [21:34:02] | wagnerrp: | if that for installing a new toaster on your counter? |
| [21:35:04] | adub_: | umm diy its always better to learn |
| [21:35:13] | uW: | and the bread is not included :( |
| [21:35:23] | adub_: | though sometimes painful its more fun and knowledge is power if your computer takes a crap you wont be out another 249.99 |
| [21:35:26] | wagnerrp: | adub_: some people just want turnkey |
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| [21:35:48] | uW: | i wonder if anybody has ever bought that from newegg..for a remote..hmmm |
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| [21:36:05] | wagnerrp: | wait... they were offering that for the remote? |
| [21:36:14] | uW: | oh yeah! |
| [21:36:28] | wagnerrp: | but the remote is not programmable |
| [21:36:31] | wagnerrp: | what would he program? |
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| [21:37:04] | wagnerrp: | is he going to get it configured with LIRC as a blaster with full macro support to manage all my other components? |
| [21:37:04] | uW: | lets look at the more info.."Installer will come to your home" |
| [21:37:23] | uW: | "Program remote for audio/video components in the same room" |
| [21:37:36] | uW: | up to 8 devices |
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| [21:37:53] | kisak: | hello |
| [21:38:26] | adub_: | uW your on irc and know how to log on here your ahead of the curve |
| [21:38:27] | adub_: | just diy |
| [21:38:28] | kisak: | where is the setting that goes with RingBuffer::kLiveTVOpenTimeout for 0.24-fixes |
| [21:38:29] | uW: | but...No connection or re-connection of audio/video components..you u have to do that part |
| [21:39:28] | adub_: | understand how the system works though that you have a database a backend and a client |
| [21:40:00] | uW: | 249.99 is a great price! |
| [21:40:01] | wagnerrp: | kisak: if its a k___, thats k for konstant |
| [21:40:09] | wagnerrp: | it does not change, there is no setting to change it |
| [21:40:36] | kisak: | well, I need to make it longer because it's too short for my setup |
| [21:40:46] | wagnerrp: | explain |
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| [21:41:37] | wagnerrp: | that setting is for how long after the backend starts recording should it try to pull data before erroring out |
| [21:42:06] | wagnerrp: | if you need to tell the backend to wait longer before attempting to start recording, that is a different setting |
| [21:42:12] | kisak: | there's a number of channels which are tuned through firewire which need up to about 4–5 seconds to get a lock and 2 seconds makes it bounce out of livetv |
| [21:42:35] | wagnerrp: | your channel change script should not return until the cable box has confirmed lock |
| [21:42:50] | wagnerrp: | and should return failed if it does not log |
| [21:42:51] | wagnerrp: | lock |
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| [21:43:43] | kisak: | hmm ... has 6200ch changed to help this |
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| [21:44:44] | wagnerrp: | if you cant do that cleanly, then you need to put a wait in the code for the worst case scenario |
| [21:45:18] | adub_: | i guess im going to go with the 1600 |
| [21:45:58] | wagnerrp: | honestly, id pay the extra for a 2250 |
| [21:46:02] | adub_: | so if there are some digital channels that arent encrypted in my area then they will show up in schedules direct |
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| [21:46:15] | adub_: | why wagnerrp |
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| [21:46:24] | adub_: | whats the benefit other than the dual tuner |
| [21:46:34] | wagnerrp: | because its a dual hybrid |
| [21:46:36] | adub_: | i seen the card has two tuners |
| [21:46:49] | wagnerrp: | you can record two digital, or two analog, or one analog and one digital |
| [21:46:53] | adub_: | not sure how i would hook two devices up to |
| [21:47:00] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 just does one analog or one digital |
| [21:47:18] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct will give the entire digital cable lineup in your area |
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| [21:47:43] | wagnerrp: | you will have to scan for digital channels manually, and then match up the xmltv ids for each channel |
| [21:47:50] | adub_: | thinking how i could benefit from doing it like that |
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| [21:48:27] | adub_: | the plan is have 3 tvs in the house |
| [21:48:28] | wagnerrp: | if you have two overlapping analog recordings, or two overlapping digital recordings |
| [21:48:36] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 will have to reschedule for a later date |
| [21:48:52] | wagnerrp: | chances are most of your recordings are going to end up being from the local broadcasters |
| [21:48:55] | adub_: | wouldnt i have to have 4 coax going into the card |
| [21:49:08] | wagnerrp: | meaning you will be recording them over clear digital off the cable line |
| [21:49:25] | wagnerrp: | that card has a single coaxial input |
| [21:49:31] | wagnerrp: | with an internal splitter |
| [21:49:43] | iamlindoro: | 1600 = 2 coaxial inputs |
| [21:49:56] | wagnerrp: | right, one for analog, one for digital |
| [21:50:01] | iamlindoro: | right |
| [21:50:13] | wagnerrp: | so with the 2250, that does have the downside that you cannot use cable for analog, and antenna for digital |
| [21:50:16] | iamlindoro: | oh, ok, referring to the 2250 |
| [21:50:22] | wagnerrp: | since there is only the one input |
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| [21:50:56] | adub_: | but the upside is i can record two things at the same time |
| [21:51:15] | wagnerrp: | you can record two things on the 1600, but only one analog and one digital |
| [21:51:16] | adub_: | oh crap maybe the 150 is what i need i will not have two coax |
| [21:51:21] | adub_: | if the signals are seperate |
| [21:51:22] | wagnerrp: | the 2250 will allow you to mix and match |
| [21:51:34] | wagnerrp: | the 150 is a single analog tuner |
| [21:51:35] | adub_: | right i follow now |
| [21:51:51] | adub_: | but is an encoder also unlike my hvr-1250 |
| [21:51:52] | kisak: | wagnerrp: well, 6200ch hasn't seen any changes since I added my set top box (QIP 7100 2) several months ago, so if it has poor behavior, then it's been that way all along |
| [21:52:05] | adub_: | or my friends hvr-1250 |
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| [21:52:32] | adub_: | i will not have two coax coming into the room |
| [21:52:37] | wagnerrp: | or yes, you could use a 1600 and a 1250, or a 1600 and 150, or any other combination of tuners you want |
| [21:52:50] | adub_: | but no matter what |
| [21:52:58] | adub_: | i have to have both coax plugged in |
| [21:52:59] | wagnerrp: | you dont need two coax coming into the room, you get a splitter |
| [21:53:17] | wagnerrp: | with the 1600, you will need to run cable to both inputs |
| [21:53:24] | adub_: | my line is split 3 ways already |
| [21:54:50] | adub_: | im afraid id lose too much quality splitting the line that much |
| [21:55:02] | adub_: | one line coming in there is a splitter at the cable box |
| [21:55:10] | adub_: | outside the house |
| [21:55:29] | kormoc: | so get a amplified splitter |
| [21:55:40] | adub_: | ok now that makes sense |
| [21:55:47] | adub_: | amplified 3 way splitter |
| [21:55:57] | adub_: | to the main box outside |
| [21:56:09] | adub_: | then amplified two way splitter inside |
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| [21:56:51] | adub_: | also what do you think of this im wireless throughout my house do you think it would be worth upgrading the network to N |
| [21:57:23] | adub_: | i want ot stream live tv using laptops running windows and using a myth client |
| [21:57:37] | adub_: | dunno if you guys have a recommendation of a myth client to use |
| [21:59:29] | justinh: | mythfrontend rocks! |
| [21:59:47] | justinh: | also not using wireless rocks! |
| [22:00:27] | adub_: | oh im sure not using wireless is best but in my setup just not practical |
| [22:01:11] | justinh: | well, you can rest assured that your mileage may vary |
| [22:01:20] | justinh: | it may work well all the time, it may not |
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| [22:01:47] | justinh: | it may flake out just when a show comes to a very interesting part or it may not |
| [22:02:07] | justinh: | none of the specs involved in wireless networking are guaranteed or absolute |
| [22:02:32] | adub_: | wagnerrp where did you get your info on 1250 being a framegrabber its newer than 150 |
| [22:02:41] | adub_: | or at least i thought it was |
| [22:03:08] | justinh: | adub_: lots of digital tuners cards are digital demodulators bolted onto framegrabbers |
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| [22:04:16] | adub_: | but the 150 1600 and 2250 some of the go to supported cards that are encoders and have supporting analog and digital drivers in linux making em ideal for myth |
| [22:04:40] | justinh: | even encoding chips need working drivers though |
| [22:05:18] | adub_: | so those cards that are encoders have working linux drivers out of kernel |
| [22:05:18] | justinh: | and if there ain't no working driver for the analogue side of a card.. you're stuffed |
| [22:05:26] | justinh: | not necessarily |
| [22:06:05] | adub_: | hell ill prolly just ride with the 1600 |
| [22:06:35] | adub_: | does the 1600 have an svideo input on it |
| [22:06:40] | justinh: | hybrid stuff is a plain waste of money IMHO |
| [22:07:02] | adub_: | why |
| [22:07:09] | kisak: | here's what's happening when changing channel in livetv: http://pastie.org/1550623 it seems to correspond to https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/4e8d935 since the default timeout for that tuner is set to 8 seconds iirc |
| [22:07:22] | adub_: | i would think if you run svideo to the card and tv the analog output would be ideal with svideo on the tuner car |
| [22:07:23] | adub_: | d |
| [22:07:25] | justinh: | because if it's not a dual/multi tuner you can't use digital *and* analogue at the same time |
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| [22:08:03] | justinh: | and you can't just slap svideo or even composite onto a Y splitter & expect it to work right |
| [22:08:12] | justinh: | i.e. take one output & split it to 2 inputs |
| [22:08:50] | adub_: | couldnt you run from the svideo to the tv for output to the tv from the card tho |
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| [22:09:21] | justinh: | it'd be an INput not an OUTput |
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| [22:10:33] | adub_: | http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=pvr-150& . . . 3286.c0.m301 |
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| [22:10:46] | adub_: | why in the listing are some cards longer than other ones |
| [22:11:17] | justinh: | low profile cards |
| [22:11:56] | justinh: | same stuff on the board, just a different layout so they'll fit in a case that's less high |
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| [22:27:02] | justinh: | hahaha Virgin Media want £150 for a Tivo box? |
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| [22:30:51] | Beirdo: | will it be a virgin when you get it? |
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| [22:43:24] | adub_: | all the ota channels will come in through right?? doesnt schedules direct have a listing for the ota channels in an area and can this list just be combined with the cable list |
| [22:43:50] | adub_: | thinking to get an ota antenna pull down the hd channels hook that end to the 1600 and then the cable to the analog tuner |
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| [22:44:45] | adub_: | just wondering how schedle direct does the ota channels in the guide or can you combine them |
| [22:45:13] | adub_: | this way i know ill get all the analog channels im shooting for and all the digital ota channels |
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| [23:13:07] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [23:13:23] | ** Beirdo wonders when Santana will be playing in Seattle next ** | |
| [23:13:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:13:39] | Beirdo: | seems he'll be in Australia in March |
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