| Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:14] | NeosVortex: | well I'll keep looking for it |
| [00:01:18] | NeosVortex: | a find only found one directory |
| [00:01:18] | NeosVortex: | -.- |
| [00:01:25] | NeosVortex: | with mythweb in it |
| [00:01:46] | NeosVortex: | thanks for oyur help iamlindoro |
| [00:01:52] | iamlindoro: | you are welcome |
| [00:02:06] | NeosVortex: | anyone know if hdhomerun with cablecard might potentially work with myth? |
| [00:02:18] | iamlindoro: | It already works with myth |
| [00:02:26] | iamlindoro: | HDHR engineers are myth users |
| [00:02:43] | iamlindoro: | with the obvious limitation that it will only work with copy freely channels |
| [00:02:51] | NeosVortex: | i thought the decryption wasn't going to be available for anything but windows 7 |
| [00:02:58] | NeosVortex: | ah |
| [00:03:07] | iamlindoro: | You're confusing decryption and DRM |
| [00:03:31] | iamlindoro: | copy freely channels can be and often are encrypted |
| [00:03:49] | NeosVortex: | what would be an example of copy freely channels |
| [00:03:54] | iamlindoro: | copy once or copy never channels are encrypted AND have DRM flags preventing their being recorded in the clear or shared between devices |
| [00:03:57] | NeosVortex: | would USA / ESPN fall into those categories? |
| [00:03:57] | kormoc: | What is up with the sudden popularity of these devices |
| [00:04:11] | iamlindoro: | Impossible to tell you by callsign what channels will be copy freely |
| [00:04:16] | kormoc: | NeosVortex, no, your local broadcast channels might tho |
| [00:04:23] | NeosVortex: | local broadcast is no problem |
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| [00:04:32] | iamlindoro: | especially as flags are per-show, not per channel, and because it will differ from company to company, and from town to town within the same company |
| [00:04:34] | NeosVortex: | was just hoping to get other things |
| [00:04:49] | iamlindoro: | You may be lucky enough to get everything but premium channels, you might get nothing |
| [00:04:52] | NeosVortex: | One of my friends at work had told me he was able to capture output from his samsung via firewire, is he bsing me or not? |
| [00:05:00] | iamlindoro: | you'll need to test or wait for someone to test to find out |
| [00:05:01] | NeosVortex: | *samsung stp |
| [00:05:07] | NeosVortex: | through comcast |
| [00:05:13] | iamlindoro: | firewire capture is possible, with similar sorts of limitations |
| [00:05:36] | iamlindoro: | ie, it will work and then not work from one program to the next, and differ wildly between company and market |
| [00:05:52] | iamlindoro: | You could live someplace where enarly everything is copy free, you could live somewhere where not even the locals are |
| [00:06:05] | NeosVortex: | That seems frustrating |
| [00:06:09] | NeosVortex: | luckily our local stuff is free |
| [00:06:23] | kormoc: | NeosVortex, so get a HDPVR and enjoy it all? |
| [00:06:39] | NeosVortex: | Myth is free |
| [00:06:46] | NeosVortex: | easier to justify |
| [00:06:48] | kormoc: | and the sky is blue |
| [00:06:58] | iamlindoro: | myth is free, but the hardware to run it is not |
| [00:06:59] | kormoc: | NeosVortex, the HDPVR is a capture device for myth |
| [00:07:16] | NeosVortex: | I have a hd-homerun for my capture device |
| [00:07:33] | kormoc: | and I own a car. not sure why that matters |
| [00:07:33] | iamlindoro: | and kormoc is suggesting a more capablecapture device |
| [00:08:04] | kormoc: | NeosVortex, you're talking about buying a new capture device (HDHRP) anyway, so why not buy one that will get you all your channels? |
| [00:08:13] | NeosVortex: | that's why i was asking about hd-homerun with cablecard, because wouldn't that get you all the channels? |
| [00:08:26] | kormoc: | NeosVortex, no, it won't |
| [00:08:27] | iamlindoro: | no, it will get you all the copy freely channels |
| [00:08:31] | NeosVortex: | alright |
| [00:08:40] | NeosVortex: | sorry for talking in circles still trying to get my head around all of this |
| [00:09:08] | NeosVortex: | and I've actually done a bit of reading on these topics |
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| [00:15:39] | Newbuntu81: | oh sorry, yep. I have about 4 of these windows open LOL |
| [00:15:45] | Newbuntu81: | trying to get some good help. |
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| [00:17:21] | Newbuntu81: | guess it helps if you type in the right window LOL |
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| [00:32:18] | wagnerrp: | NeosVortex: the HDHomeRun Prime will only get those same channels that your friend is capable of recording over firewire |
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| [00:32:35] | wagnerrp: | which really only has any bearing if he is using the same cable franchise |
| [00:38:41] | Beirdo: | dagnabit. |
| [00:38:51] | Beirdo: | BBC7 is no longer airing Goon Show |
| [00:38:57] | Beirdo: | or so it seems |
| [00:40:17] | wagnerrp: | mozilla plans to release versions 4–7 before the end of 2011 |
| [00:40:20] | wagnerrp: | ... why? |
| [00:40:44] | NeosVortex: | wagnerrp he uses the same |
| [00:41:09] | Beirdo: | Broadcast Thu, 13 Jan 2011, 19:00 on BBC Radio 7 but not available on BBC iPlayer. |
| [00:41:12] | Beirdo: | BAH |
| [00:41:17] | Beirdo: | stupid BBC |
| [00:43:07] | Newbuntu81: | LOL. I love BBC America--Top Gear! |
| [00:43:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, moar numbers is betterz |
| [00:43:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: why release verion 4.7 before the end of 2011? |
| [00:43:24] | sphery: | seems a sensible thing to do, IMHO |
| [00:43:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no.. theyre going to release Firefox 4, Firefox 5, Firefox 6, and Firefox 7 this year |
| [00:43:57] | wagnerrp: | not 4.7 |
| [00:44:07] | wagnerrp: | four-through-seven |
| [00:44:14] | Beirdo: | seems they bloody well axed iPlayer for Radio |
| [00:44:15] | sphery: | sure that's not a typo? |
| [00:44:27] | sphery: | but, hey, when Chrome is v9... |
| [00:44:28] | wagnerrp: | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap#Product_Roadmap |
| [00:44:46] | Twigg: | hey sphery can you check and see what your listing says is on at 7pm tonight? House or Human Target |
| [00:45:04] | wagnerrp: | Twigg: i bet his listing says neither |
| [00:45:16] | Twigg: | different timezone? |
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| [00:45:27] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
| [00:45:32] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [00:45:35] | sphery: | Twigg: it says The Simpsons :) |
| [00:45:36] | Twigg: | Ohh I meant fox btw |
| [00:45:43] | sphery: | Twigg: but at 8:00 it's House: Family Practice |
| [00:45:56] | ** sphery is neither Central, nor Mountain ** | |
| [00:45:57] | Twigg: | Fox just said that human target is on tonight |
| [00:46:02] | kormoc: | sphery, it's not a typo, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap |
| [00:46:14] | ekristen: | do you have an example of how to use 0.24, seems that its behavior might be a little different then the previous versions? |
| [00:46:17] | ** wagnerrp points kormoc at 2 minutes ago ** | |
| [00:46:25] | wagnerrp: | how to use 0.24.... |
| [00:46:31] | wagnerrp: | youre going to have to elaborate on that one |
| [00:46:32] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [00:46:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: he was just repeating it for emphasis |
| [00:46:44] | sphery: | and I now feel doubly-corrected! |
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| [00:47:01] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: make the db and be connection or rather instantiate it .. |
| [00:47:07] | ekristen: | let me pastebin some code |
| [00:47:13] | wagnerrp: | same way as before |
| [00:47:19] | wagnerrp: | db = MythDB(); be = MythBE() |
| [00:47:22] | sphery: | Twigg: "just said"? as in a commercial on TV? |
| [00:47:28] | Twigg: | correct |
| [00:48:29] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: hrm, line 72 of mythproto.py errors out on "self.host = self.db.settings.NULL.MasterServerIP" |
| [00:49:04] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: then somehow you have never run mythtv-setup |
| [00:49:16] | ekristen: | well I just did upgrade |
| [00:49:21] | sphery: | Twigg: well, if that's the case, TMS doesn't know about the change, yet |
| [00:49:32] | sphery: | guess you'll just have to record it and update the title/subtitle as required :) |
| [00:49:32] | wagnerrp: | even upgrading, your old settings should remain |
| [00:49:44] | sphery: | (and allow re-record if it doesn't get a House episode you want) |
| [00:49:49] | Twigg: | Or maybe fox was wrong, tongith was supposed to be the season finale I think |
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| [00:50:01] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: that line is just pulling the master backend address, which must be set in any function mythtv installation |
| [00:50:03] | sphery: | Twigg: and so will I--so thanks for the warning (I record both House and Human Target) |
| [00:50:22] | ekristen: | thats why I was a little confused ... I'll go rerun mythtv-setup |
| [00:50:27] | wagnerrp: | is it possible your config.xml is pointing at an empty database? |
| [00:50:31] | kormoc: | Twigg, fox.com says house |
| [00:50:33] | Twigg: | Thats what I figured, I knew you had about as many channels as I did and that you watched basically the same as me ;) |
| [00:50:36] | wagnerrp: | is your backend actually running? |
| [00:50:48] | wagnerrp: | without that value set, the backend should error out immediately as well |
| [00:50:51] | ekristen: | no, I am manually specifying the dbconn dict variable |
| [00:50:51] | sphery: | kormoc: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap#How_to_ship_faster ... um, for Internet-distributed code, wouldn't that just be a matter of buying a larger-bandwidth 'net connection or providing more mirrors? |
| [00:50:58] | Twigg: | I wonder if it was the wrong commercial, since I think tonight is the house season finale |
| [00:51:20] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: mythbackend is running |
| [00:51:21] | kormoc: | sphery, oh, for sure |
| [00:51:33] | ekristen: | and I am using this python library on another machine, not on the backend itself, just fyi |
| [00:51:41] | ekristen: | but I have verified all database connections and permissions |
| [00:51:51] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: only other thing i can think of is youre forcing it to a different database than the backend is running off of |
| [00:52:16] | kormoc: | sphery, wow, "No more than 50ms delay between user action and application reaction". That's unpossible! I can always put a 200ms timer in my app! |
| [00:52:36] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: there is only a single database |
| [00:52:41] | ekristen: | I checked that out |
| [00:53:03] | wagnerrp: | log into the database that you are specifying with the 'mysql' client |
| [00:53:18] | ekristen: | done |
| [00:53:27] | wagnerrp: | and run 'select data from settings where value="MasterBackendIP" and hostname is NULL;' |
| [00:54:05] | wagnerrp: | erm |
| [00:54:06] | ekristen: | nice, its empty |
| [00:54:13] | wagnerrp: | 'select data from settings where value="MasterServerIP" and hostname is NULL;' |
| [00:54:36] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, would be nice when Trac or Github DoS my Firefox... Can't close the browser tab or window--only kill the process--before it says, "This page is running a script that's taking too long, what do you want to do?" (which normally happens about the time the script is finishing, but I don't notice it for several minutes, then I have to hit Continue, then wait a bit--even though it's been waiting minutes for me to say to let it run...) |
| [00:55:17] | ekristen: | there we go |
| [00:55:21] | ekristen: | that worked |
| [00:55:34] | ekristen: | MasterServerIP is good to go |
| [00:55:39] | ekristen: | not MasterBackendIP |
| [00:55:50] | wagnerrp: | right, MasterBackendIP is nothing |
| [00:55:53] | kormoc: | sphery, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Dom.max_script_run_time |
| [00:55:57] | wagnerrp: | its MasterServerIP and BackendServerIP |
| [00:56:18] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: and that returned a value? |
| [00:56:26] | ekristen: | the second query did |
| [00:56:49] | sphery: | kormoc: I do wonder about, "TODO: Process change suggestions (w/Shaver)" I suppose they're trying to get rid of the *nix-y air of their developers... No scraggly beards! |
| [00:56:50] | wagnerrp: | could i see the actual backtrace? |
| [00:57:06] | ekristen: | sure |
| [00:57:07] | Newbuntu81: | I'm having trouble compiling a driver. I get 2 errors (from the log). Are these known issues? And how might I fix them? Errors are: 1) 'usb_buffer_free' AND 2) 'usb_buffer_alloc |
| [00:57:08] | ekristen: | one second |
| [00:57:43] | kormoc: | Newbuntu81, your kernel is too new, you can fix them or you can downgrade your kernel |
| [00:57:44] | ekristen: | http://pastebin.ca/2044388 |
| [00:57:46] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, aye |
| [00:58:12] | sphery: | kormoc: there's no way it's stopping mine after 10s... Maybe 10s of JS CPU time when the JS engine time doesn't count or something |
| [00:58:19] | sphery: | it takes /minutes/ for that popup to show |
| [00:58:26] | kormoc: | wow |
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| [00:58:35] | sphery: | (my max_script_run_time is set to 10s, the default) |
| [00:58:44] | wagnerrp: | minutes? i think it takes like 30 seconds for me |
| [00:59:20] | sphery: | assuming the about:config max_script_run_time is the same as dom.max_script_run_time, which doesn't appear under about:config |
| [00:59:30] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [00:59:31] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: this is 0.24? |
| [01:00:23] | ekristen: | the backend or the library? |
| [01:00:31] | wagnerrp: | python |
| [01:00:44] | Twigg: | it's house |
| [01:01:04] | _cal_: | how do I fix all these 'error opening jump program file buffer' random errors when switching to HD channels? |
| [01:01:23] | ekristen: | downloaded this tarball from github ... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/zipball/v0.24 ... and grabbed the bindings from there |
| [01:03:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that should be returning None, not erroring |
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| [01:04:40] | ekristen: | hrm |
| [01:05:08] | ekristen: | so? |
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| [01:07:23] | Newbuntu81: | <kormoc> Newbuntu81, your kernel is too new, you can fix them or you can downgrade your kernel |
| [01:07:56] | Newbuntu81: | Anyone know what version I should downgrade my Mythbuntu to? 2.6.34? 2.6.31? |
| [01:08:18] | wagnerrp: | i would look to see if there are updated drivers first |
| [01:08:40] | ekristen: | what do I need to do to fix this? something in the python code or in my database? |
| [01:09:03] | wagnerrp: | if 'mysql' used with the same settings you are feeding python worked |
| [01:09:08] | wagnerrp: | then its got to be something in python |
| [01:09:08] | sphery: | I purposefully started a DoS with 6e17b4de, and it took 45s to pup up the busy script dialog |
| [01:09:12] | wagnerrp: | but reading through the python code |
| [01:09:25] | sphery: | so not as bad as I thought, but still >> 10s |
| [01:09:30] | ekristen: | alright, I'll take a look see if I can understand the flow of things |
| [01:09:31] | wagnerrp: | i cant come up with any explanation of how you could be getting that error in that place |
| [01:09:40] | sphery: | then I hit continue, and it finished within 3s |
| [01:09:51] | sphery: | (3s wall time) |
| [01:10:02] | wagnerrp: | youre calling __getattr__ to get the 'MasterServerIP' |
| [01:10:10] | wagnerrp: | which is in turn calling __getitem__ |
| [01:10:48] | wagnerrp: | and that will either cache the proper value, and return it |
| [01:10:52] | wagnerrp: | or return None |
| [01:11:00] | _cal_: | oh okay it appears this "error opening jump program file buffer" ticket 9177 is a known problem so have to wait for a fix. |
| [01:11:55] | ekristen: | hrm |
| [01:12:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats the change for the programinfo refactor |
| [01:12:17] | wagnerrp: | wrong one? |
| [01:12:43] | ekristen: | why is it calling NULL in the variable? |
| [01:12:47] | ekristen: | self.db.settings.NULL.MasterServerIP |
| [01:13:08] | wagnerrp: | because NULL is the value mysql uses for an empty field |
| [01:13:14] | ekristen: | ah, gotcha |
| [01:13:17] | ekristen: | fair enough |
| [01:13:23] | wagnerrp: | theres no hostname for the setting, so rather than "", its NULL |
| [01:13:34] | wagnerrp: | and None already has other meaning |
| [01:13:51] | wagnerrp: | looking at this further, its erroring on line 27 of altdict.py |
| [01:14:12] | wagnerrp: | it should never have a keyerror |
| [01:14:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i cant see any program flow that would cause this |
| [01:14:55] | ekristen: | yeah the code looks solid to me too, so must be a database issue? |
| [01:14:59] | ekristen: | unless ... |
| [01:15:16] | wagnerrp: | OrdDict.__getitem__ and __contains__ are never altered |
| [01:15:22] | ekristen: | I swapped out MySQLdb library for a pure python based mysql library, but I doubt that should have any affect on it |
| [01:15:28] | ekristen: | because the database connection works fine |
| [01:15:41] | ekristen: | its just when I go to instantiate the mythtv.MythBE that it fails |
| [01:15:44] | wagnerrp: | and if im calling __setitem__, it should be setting something there |
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| [01:17:01] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of is its failing elsewhere in an unforeseen manner, that just happens to also raise a KeyError |
| [01:17:19] | wagnerrp: | could you add the line 'raise' to altdict.py:27 |
| [01:17:30] | ekristen: | sure thing one second ... |
| [01:17:32] | wagnerrp: | just a blank raise to pass the error up in taht try block, rather than create a new error |
| [01:17:58] | ekristen: | raise is already on line 27 |
| [01:18:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just insert a line 'raise' |
| [01:18:14] | ekristen: | ah sorry, misread |
| [01:18:21] | wagnerrp: | it will reraise the existing error, with the existing traceback |
| [01:18:27] | wagnerrp: | rather than generating a new one |
| [01:19:08] | ekristen: | http://pastebin.ca/2044392 |
| [01:20:12] | ekristen: | yup I understand, just misread what you had typed |
| [01:21:15] | wagnerrp: | that line number is wrong |
| [01:21:48] | ekristen: | on what? |
| [01:21:59] | wagnerrp: | the last error |
| [01:22:06] | wagnerrp: | database.py:877 |
| [01:22:38] | wagnerrp: | the original release https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/v0.24/m . . . /database.py |
| [01:22:58] | ekristen: | yeah I have some debug code that I was trying to figure out what was going on |
| [01:23:03] | wagnerrp: | and latest on the -fixes branch https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/fixes/0 . . . /database.py |
| [01:23:46] | wagnerrp: | so its failing on what should be line 828? |
| [01:23:57] | ekristen: | checking |
| [01:24:48] | ekristen: | yes |
| [01:24:49] | ekristen: | 828 |
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| [01:27:22] | wagnerrp: | could you run this and see what it does? http://pastebin.ca/2044394 |
| [01:27:33] | wagnerrp: | erm... should be 'fetchone', not 'getchone' |
| [01:28:24] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.ca/2044395 |
| [01:30:02] | ekristen: | where do you want me to put it? |
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| [01:30:20] | wagnerrp: | python interpreter |
| [01:30:25] | ekristen: | gotcha |
| [01:30:28] | wagnerrp: | wherever youre getting those errors |
| [01:30:33] | ekristen: | gotcha |
| [01:30:35] | ekristen: | one second |
| [01:31:59] | ekristen: | that worked |
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| [01:32:19] | ekristen: | there is a double percent sign |
| [01:32:20] | wagnerrp: | and it returned the proper IP? |
| [01:32:23] | ekristen: | yes |
| [01:32:34] | ekristen: | let me try something |
| [01:32:44] | wagnerrp: | double percent means when you do substitution, replace it with a single percent |
| [01:32:53] | wagnerrp: | so when you do substitution again, it gets substituted |
| [01:32:57] | ekristen: | gotcha |
| [01:33:10] | ekristen: | let me print out the query that is being executed |
| [01:33:23] | wagnerrp: | 'MythLog._setlevel("all")' |
| [01:34:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any idea why you wouldnt you be able to schedule something to record on HBO? |
| [01:34:39] | wagnerrp: | they move to all VOD or something? |
| [01:35:00] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind... he says he is using VOD right there |
| [01:35:10] | nutron: | Any way known to have a recording rule show its matched results? |
| [01:35:16] | nutron: | ie. in the schedule? |
| [01:35:33] | wagnerrp: | nutron: yes... sorta |
| [01:35:33] | nutron: | I assume some sql seksi is required? |
| [01:35:45] | nutron: | wagnerrp: how? |
| [01:35:57] | wagnerrp: | the programinfo struct returned by the backend includes the recording rule set to record it |
| [01:36:07] | wagnerrp: | you can then match up that rule to the database |
| [01:36:32] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . aheap.py#L55 |
| [01:36:35] | nutron: | when is it returned by the backend? or do I call a function? |
| [01:36:43] | nutron: | oh k, kdanke |
| [01:36:47] | wagnerrp: | you get it through mythprotocol |
| [01:37:45] | wagnerrp: | that _getSortedPrograms method is just one i have to filter a list of ProgramInfo objects |
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| [01:38:00] | wagnerrp: | in this case, a list provided by the QUERY_GETALLPENDING command |
| [01:38:21] | nutron: | right, I see that. Alright /me goes to fiddle |
| [01:38:58] | nutron: | thanks |
| [01:42:29] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: self._where is "hostname is NULL" and key is "MasterServerIP" |
| [01:43:10] | ekristen: | which means the query would be 'SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value=hostname is NULL AND MasterServerIP LIMIT 1' |
| [01:44:08] | nutron: | holy crap, the release of squeeze opened the floodgates on sid... my box is almost borked |
| [01:44:23] | ** nutron giggles cuz he has apt-listbugs installed ** | |
| [01:45:28] | ekristen: | that query wouldn't work, unless I am missing something |
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| [01:47:38] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: what is the query suppose to look like? |
| [01:48:56] | RomioTango: | i did it wagnerrp i finally did it! |
| [01:48:59] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I put 'print ("SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value=%%s AND %s LIMIT 1" % self._where, key)' right above the cursor.execute |
| [01:49:04] | RomioTango: | i bought the gt430 |
| [01:49:27] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: and I get ('SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value=%s AND hostname IS NULL LIMIT 1', 'MasterServerIP') |
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| [01:53:34] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: think I figured it out |
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| [01:58:46] | sphery: | Twigg: Seems it was House, tonight--not Human Target |
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| [02:12:05] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [02:12:07] | ekristen: | solved one issue |
| [02:12:12] | ekristen: | now moving to the next ;) |
| [02:12:15] | ekristen: | BackendServerPort |
| [02:12:20] | ekristen: | is missing for some reason |
| [02:12:37] | ekristen: | 'SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value="BackendServerPort" AND hostname IS NULL LIMIT 1' is empty |
| [02:18:27] | Colbey: | Hi, folks. I was hoping someone could help me with some HDHomeRun connection issues I'm having. |
| [02:18:49] | Twigg: | sphery, Yeah I am watching it now |
| [02:19:05] | Colbey: | I suddenly started getting a "partial lock" all the time, even with a strong signal. Swapped out network cables and routers, but same problem. |
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| [02:24:11] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you back? |
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| [02:36:25] | mianos: | dumb question, will mythvideo play audio? |
| [02:36:48] | mianos: | ie. the video player not mythaudio |
| [02:36:59] | mianos: | I just want to scroll into directroies and play |
| [02:39:33] | wagnerrp: | mianos: no, mythmusic is for playing back audio |
| [02:39:42] | mianos: | ah ok |
| [02:39:45] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, the video player will error out if it does not find a video stream |
| [02:39:52] | mianos: | ok |
| [02:39:54] | mianos: | shame |
| [02:40:24] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: look at the query again, 'self._where' is substituted in first, through normal python text processing |
| [02:40:25] | _cal_: | what is the usual reason for the guide in livetv to be slow (for screens i have already looked at it is fast) |
| [02:40:38] | wagnerrp: | the key is substituted in later, by the mysql bindings |
| [02:40:50] | wagnerrp: | thats why the first value is '%%s' |
| [02:40:55] | ekristen: | gotcha |
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| [02:41:24] | ekristen: | I got past the MasterServerIP |
| [02:41:35] | ekristen: | and now I am on the whole BackendServerPort |
| [02:41:35] | wagnerrp: | if you turn on database logging (MythLog._setlevel('database')), it will print out all queries as it makes them |
| [02:41:48] | ekristen: | where in the library do I put it? |
| [02:41:56] | wagnerrp: | you dont |
| [02:42:04] | wagnerrp: | it pulls the port matched to that IP from the database |
| [02:42:14] | ekristen: | I understand, I meant the logging? |
| [02:47:08] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: never logs the query |
| [02:47:12] | ekristen: | before it errors out |
| [02:47:32] | clgshaft: | Hey guys, looks like mythtv is not locating the db |
| [02:47:46] | clgshaft: | Why would that happen? |
| [02:48:29] | [R]: | clgshaft: what makes you think that? |
| [02:49:33] | clgshaft: | No recordings |
| [02:49:40] | [R]: | what? |
| [02:49:46] | clgshaft: | Watch tv doesn't start |
| [02:51:16] | [R]: | maybe you could speak in sentences... |
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| [02:51:25] | clgshaft: | Ok |
| [02:51:38] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I am pretty sure that sql query is getting built backwards |
| [02:51:48] | ekristen: | self._where should be the second argument, not the first |
| [02:52:02] | ekristen: | otherwise you are putting self._where as the value of value |
| [02:52:58] | clgshaft: | I was watching a movie, went to live tv, watched the news. Exited and came back in, nothing would work so I Descartes the front and backend, no go, restarted the pc, no go. Tried to watch a previous recording and they are not there |
| [02:53:34] | tank-man: | what is descartes? |
| [02:53:35] | [R]: | clgshaft: well its not that its "not locating the db"... cuz nothing would work if tehre was no db |
| [02:53:37] | [R]: | tank-man: exit |
| [02:53:48] | [R]: | clgshaft: so you must have broken somehign |
| [02:54:14] | clgshaft: | I didn't do anything, weird |
| [02:54:34] | tank-man: | clgshaft, try looking at the a log file or some verbose output. Guessing will do no good |
| [02:54:35] | [R]: | what do the errors in the logs say |
| [02:56:56] | clgshaft: | Lots of errors |
| [02:57:47] | clgshaft: | Mythconverge recorded is marked as crashed and should be repaired |
| [02:58:16] | [R]: | ah, your database is crashed |
| [02:59:01] | clgshaft: | Ok. Fixable? |
| [02:59:16] | [R]: | theres tons of hits on google what to do when you get that error |
| [03:03:45] | clgshaft: | Thanks |
| [03:03:54] | clgshaft: | Hopefully I can get it fixed |
| [03:04:58] | [R]: | wagnerrp: you there? |
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| [03:19:22] | wagnerrp: | bleh, he left |
| [03:19:28] | wagnerrp: | [R]: what did you need? |
| [03:19:42] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so i finally saw some deinterlacing artifacts last night |
| [03:19:52] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [03:19:54] | [R]: | when using the "crappy" deinterlacer |
| [03:20:06] | wagnerrp: | talking about VDPAU ones? |
| [03:20:08] | [R]: | yeah |
| [03:26:46] | [R]: | crazy foreigners |
| [03:26:51] | [R]: | "hayche dee" |
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| [03:31:31] | wagnerrp: | wow... matt daemon on 30 rock |
| [03:33:22] | iamlindoro: | /etc/init.d/matt_daemon stop |
| [03:34:18] | iamlindoro: | update-rc.d matt_daemon disable |
| [03:34:25] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:34:29] | iamlindoro: | rm /etc/init.d/matt_daemon |
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| [03:35:07] | wagnerrp: | we use rc-update around here |
| [03:36:19] | [R]: | so someone told me they make styluses (stylii?) that work on capacative screens |
| [03:36:22] | [R]: | how does that work? |
| [03:39:16] | wagnerrp: | magnets |
| [03:40:29] | [R]: | have you heard that song miracles by insane clown posse |
| [03:40:35] | [R]: | freakin magnets, how do they work? |
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| [03:41:29] | wagnerrp: | im proud to say ive never heard anything by the insane clown posse |
| [03:41:49] | [R]: | a friend of mine insisted i listned to the song and watch the video |
| [03:43:45] | wagnerrp: | theres a bar called martinos near my last apartment |
| [03:44:02] | wagnerrp: | across the street from martinos is a music hall called bogarts |
| [03:44:15] | wagnerrp: | i was going to martinos one night, and there was an ICP show at bogarts |
| [03:44:25] | wagnerrp: | have you see the kind of people who go to ICP shows? |
| [03:44:43] | wagnerrp: | you want to put a whole lot of gone between you and freaks like that |
| [03:44:48] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:44:52] | [R]: | they all painted their faces? |
| [03:45:08] | wagnerrp: | most of 'em |
| [03:45:17] | wagnerrp: | i also saw a 'gimp' get out of a van and go in |
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| [04:02:06] | Beirdo: | ahhh. AC/DC – Big Balls |
| [04:02:29] | Beirdo: | I remember listening to this in grade 4 |
| [04:02:36] | Beirdo: | and it was already old :) |
| [04:12:10] | clgshaft: | Hey guys I got it fixed |
| [04:13:10] | Beirdo: | good |
| [04:14:48] | ** wagnerrp starts up a new episode of castle ** | |
| [04:17:37] | ** wagnerrp wishes he didnt have to see that 4 minutes of postroll of ABC's prostitut^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbachelor ** | |
| [04:20:04] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [04:27:06] | wagnerrp: | seriously, what is the purpose of that show? |
| [04:27:34] | Beirdo: | to whore themselves out |
| [04:27:36] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [04:27:58] | wagnerrp: | 2TB hitachi for $70 on newegg |
| [04:28:50] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [04:37:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i thought mathieson was meshe |
| [04:39:31] | sphery: | I think mathieson is a guy... |
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| [04:58:02] | RomioTango: | Have a non-mythtv related question but wouldn't mind someone in here's opinion given you're all rather intelligent people.. though IDK if this is the best place for relationship advice ;) |
| [04:58:23] | [R]: | its not |
| [04:58:37] | wagnerrp: | try ##dating ? |
| [04:58:38] | jamesd__: | choose the big screen tv over the girl! ;-p |
| [04:58:42] | RomioTango: | my gf and i are in our mid 20s and have been together for a couple months.. her lease is up in June and she's wanting to live together.. buy a house together... |
| [04:58:56] | RomioTango: | jamesd__, I already have a 52" samsung |
| [04:59:04] | wagnerrp: | definately the TV |
| [04:59:08] | wagnerrp: | shows before hos man |
| [04:59:19] | RomioTango: | and she's got a ~46" LG? lol |
| [04:59:24] | RomioTango: | it will be mythtv mania |
| [04:59:45] | RomioTango: | I finally have my server up and running |
| [04:59:48] | RomioTango: | and its glorious |
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| [05:00:54] | RomioTango: | gigabyte 880 mobo w/ an AMD X2 3.2ghz, (1) 1tb hdd for recordings, (3) 2tb hdds in raid 5 for videos/music, Nvidia GT430 |
| [05:01:09] | RomioTango: | pushing a 600w 5.1 system |
| [05:01:22] | RomioTango: | all enclosed in a dark wood and smoked glass tv stand |
| [05:01:51] | RomioTango: | had to install some fans i bought at coolerguys bc the tv stand was getting up to 120 degrees F |
| [05:03:30] | RomioTango: | dang wagnerrp you just wont shut up tonight |
| [05:03:40] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
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| [05:04:20] | jamesd__: | RomioTango, about your question its a buyers market, and prices may go down even more, so you better have the down payment put at least 10% down, and have money in savings to cover incase you get laid off... 3% down looks good at first but you can end up owing more than you can sell the house for. |
| [05:05:51] | RomioTango: | I know I won't be getting laid off anytime soon.. taking over one of our major clients not to mention I'm handling the new software integration we're implementing |
| [05:07:25] | RomioTango: | I'm just wondering if its a bad idea to be getting a house w/ a gf... |
| [05:07:51] | RomioTango: | i mean she and i get along great and we both want things to lead to marriage.. just idk if i should wait till theres a ring on her finger.. |
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| [05:22:04] | clgshaft: | Sounds like a scene from the bachelor |
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| [05:35:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you around? |
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| [05:44:01] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:44:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ^^^ |
| [05:44:19] | wagnerrp: | you said you were planning on breaking up the backend? |
| [05:44:32] | sphery: | wanting to |
| [05:44:42] | wagnerrp: | how were you intending to go about doing that? |
| [05:44:47] | sphery: | getting closer to top of my todo |
| [05:45:01] | wagnerrp: | specifically, im wondering about handling the connection to the master in the mainserver.cpp |
| [05:45:20] | wagnerrp: | right now, you pass a bool to that class whether you want it to be the master |
| [05:45:39] | wagnerrp: | wondering if there would be a better way to handle that |
| [05:45:49] | sphery: | don't know |
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| [05:47:29] | wagnerrp: | right now, theres a call in gCoreContext->IsMasterHost() that basically just checks for matching IPs |
| [05:47:41] | wagnerrp: | which used to be fine since any backend could serve as the master |
| [05:47:46] | wagnerrp: | and only backends ran protocol servers |
| [05:47:48] | wagnerrp: | but now... |
| [05:48:01] | sphery: | basically, my plan is to just remove the recorder function and job queue function from mythbackend and have them be one or 2 other apps... all the master-backend-only stuff would be a different app (scheduler, data access, etc.), and there's be a single app that the init script starts (mythtv?) that starts the required other apps (so, if they have defined capture cards, the recorder part gets started; if they have enabled jobs on the ... |
| [05:48:06] | sphery: | ... host, the job part is started; ...) |
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| [05:49:21] | sphery: | oh, and on the host designated as the master backend host, it would also start the scheduler, data acces, ... part |
| [05:50:08] | sphery: | I don't have any details on how it would decide if it should start the one-host-only "master backend" scheduler, data access, ... part |
| [05:50:40] | sphery: | initially I had planned to just keep doing it like we are now--based on the IP address specified for mbe in the database |
| [05:54:22] | wagnerrp: | i think the data access should stick with the recorder |
| [05:54:36] | wagnerrp: | unless the recorder is only going to be spawned at record time, and then close |
| [05:56:15] | sphery: | eventually, there will be only one process accessing the DB |
| [05:56:24] | sphery: | it has to be with the scheduler |
| [05:56:39] | wagnerrp: | by data access, i meant file access |
| [05:56:40] | sphery: | s/has to be/should be/ |
| [05:56:48] | sphery: | oh, yeah, that's files, not data :) |
| [05:57:01] | wagnerrp: | files are data, just not the data base |
| [05:57:05] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:57:22] | sphery: | yeah, well I left out file stuff since you seem to be on top of that |
| [05:57:49] | wagnerrp: | im just writing a module to handle it, not what will provide it |
| [05:57:51] | sphery: | but we do need file access even on systems without recorders |
| [05:58:18] | sphery: | for mythvideo files, etc. |
| [05:58:26] | wagnerrp: | right, im going to use a separate file server as a test case for developing and testing this library |
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| [06:20:07] | mikey_: | Hi |
| [06:20:18] | mikey_: | Anyone running trunk? |
| [06:20:35] | wagnerrp: | lots |
| [06:20:41] | mikey_: | OK cool |
| [06:21:17] | mikey_: | Dont suppose anyone knows why I get just the backgrond image when I start mythfrontend? |
| [06:21:24] | mikey_: | Last entried in the frontend log are: |
| [06:21:33] | mikey_: | 2011-02–08 19:14:38.797 Unlocking input devices |
| [06:21:34] | mikey_: | 2011-02–08 19:14:38.797 Unlocking input devices |
| [06:21:34] | mikey_: | 2011-02–08 19:14:38.797 Unlocking input devices |
| [06:21:56] | mikey_: | Can't see anything obviously wrong. Has something changed? |
| [06:22:08] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? |
| [06:22:31] | mikey_: | GeForce 9400 |
| [06:22:46] | wagnerrp: | could still be a messed up driver |
| [06:22:54] | wagnerrp: | try '-O ThemePainter=qt' |
| [06:23:05] | mikey_: | K |
| [06:23:38] | mikey_: | I get a blank white screen |
| [06:23:56] | wagnerrp: | try deleting your theme cache |
| [06:23:57] | mikey_: | Mythavtest works though |
| [06:24:13] | mikey_: | ow do I do that? |
| [06:24:17] | mikey_: | *how |
| [06:24:27] | wagnerrp: | it can be found in ~/.mythtv |
| [06:24:31] | mikey_: | k |
| [06:26:19] | mikey_: | Still no joy. However I notice in the new codebase there's no myththemes folder to install anymore. Am I missing something? |
| [06:26:49] | mikey_: | I lie |
| [06:26:57] | mikey_: | it's inside mythtv now |
| [06:28:25] | mikey_: | Any other ideas |
| [06:28:27] | mikey_: | ? |
| [06:30:59] | wagnerrp: | consequences of running a developmental version of software? |
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| [06:31:21] | mikey_: | Yeah sure. Just wanted to see if anyone had any idea. |
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| [06:32:19] | mikey_: | Esp since I dont seem to get anything relevant in the logs |
| [06:33:06] | wagnerrp: | turn up the logging |
| [06:33:10] | kormoc: | mike_, -v most |
| [06:33:27] | mikey_: | I've tried '-v all' and still not seen anything |
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| [06:33:51] | kormoc: | pastebin |
| [06:33:51] | mikey_: | Last entries are to do with database backup |
| [06:34:15] | mikey_: | k |
| [06:34:34] | MylesMan: | hello all i cant get my Captioning to work the backend and ivtv.conf are setup according the wiki but no dice |
| [06:35:02] | mikey_: | http://pastebin.com/uA3bVJKS |
| [06:35:38] | wagnerrp: | looks like its backing up the database |
| [06:36:04] | mikey_: | Yeah, but that finishes at |
| [06:36:04] | mikey_: | 2011-02–08 19:34:24.074 Backed up database to file: '/var/lib/mythtv/db_backups/mythconverg-1269–20110208193422.sql.gz' |
| [06:36:04] | wagnerrp: | probably stalled trying to update the mythmusic schema |
| [06:36:07] | mikey_: | doesn't it? |
| [06:36:25] | wagnerrp: | it backs up the database, then waits for all other users to terminate |
| [06:36:28] | mikey_: | I see, can I get it to skip the mythmusic plugin altogether? |
| [06:36:37] | mikey_: | I dont use it |
| [06:36:58] | wagnerrp: | or maybe its the opposite |
| [06:37:10] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you can delete the shared library that mythmusic loads from |
| [06:37:15] | mikey_: | OK |
| [06:37:17] | wagnerrp: | go ahead and delete mythmovies while youre at it |
| [06:37:19] | mikey_: | Will try that |
| [06:37:22] | mikey_: | Yep |
| [06:38:08] | mikey_: | Bingo! |
| [06:38:16] | mikey_: | That you so much for helping |
| [06:38:42] | mikey_: | must've been waiting on mmusic |
| [06:38:47] | mikey_: | You're a star |
| [06:38:51] | MylesMan: | hey wagner? |
| [06:38:58] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [06:39:15] | MylesMan: | my captioning isnt working |
| [06:39:33] | wagnerrp: | cant help you there... never used it |
| [06:39:34] | MylesMan: | i have both the BE and ivtv.conf setup |
| [06:39:44] | wagnerrp: | never new of any ivtv.conf |
| [06:39:49] | MylesMan: | :( |
| [06:39:54] | wagnerrp: | knew |
| [06:40:03] | MylesMan: | its for captioning |
| [06:40:19] | MylesMan: | apparently |
| [06:40:22] | MylesMan: | lol |
| [06:40:45] | MylesMan: | meh no biggie |
| [06:41:15] | MylesMan: | now to just config it to shut-off when its done recording |
| [06:41:40] | MylesMan: | can i just go shutdown -h now? |
| [06:41:53] | MylesMan: | in the shutdown command |
| [06:42:02] | wagnerrp: | never used that either |
| [06:43:34] | MylesMan: | alright |
| [06:43:44] | MylesMan: | thx anyway |
| [06:43:48] | MylesMan: | :) |
| [06:44:23] | MylesMan: | what about adding a suspend command to the menu when i click escape |
| [06:44:35] | MylesMan: | or press escape |
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| [06:44:44] | MylesMan: | i should say |
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| [07:00:54] | sphery: | mikey_: your system is waiting for you to tell it to go ahead and upgrade the database... just answer with, "Yes, upgrade" |
| [07:01:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the UI is blank |
| [07:01:26] | wagnerrp: | nothing to respond to |
| [07:01:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ^^^ is fallout from the countclients actually working for the first time, ever |
| [07:01:41] | wagnerrp: | heh |
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| [07:03:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im going to add back in a bool in the constructor to decide whether or not to connect to the master |
| [07:03:43] | wagnerrp: | but leave in a hook to allow handlers to decide at some later point to disconnect and run standalone |
| [07:04:19] | wagnerrp: | with the intent being it could be used for automatic failover at some point |
| [07:05:14] | sphery: | danielk wants auto failover |
| [07:05:25] | sphery: | I'm not so much a fan of the idea, though |
| [07:05:29] | wagnerrp: | my only problem with autofailover is what to do with the database |
| [07:05:38] | sphery: | yeah |
| [07:05:47] | wagnerrp: | nearly everyone locates the database on the same system as their MBE |
| [07:05:48] | sphery: | plus, who's to say that the mbe did fail |
| [07:05:57] | sphery: | maybe it's just a network issue that's temporary |
| [07:06:17] | sphery: | and the replicated db's on all hosts is a crazy plan\ |
| [07:06:20] | sphery: | and way too complex |
| [07:06:31] | sphery: | especially cleaning up the aftermath |
| [07:06:44] | sphery: | now that we've failed over to a different host, how do we sync up everything after |
| [07:06:58] | sphery: | especially if 2 systems were acting as master at the same time |
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| [07:07:40] | sphery: | anyway, it doesn't hurt to plan for it--I'm just pretty sure that I won't ever use it, myself :) |
| [07:07:48] | wagnerrp: | the only way i could see it happening is if you had a scheduler/database process that ran on each machine |
| [07:08:09] | wagnerrp: | when you start them up, they decide automatically who will serve as the master and do scheduler duties |
| [07:08:21] | wagnerrp: | all database calls are automatically duplicated on all running machines |
| [07:08:32] | sphery: | until the network glitch |
| [07:08:35] | sphery: | then things diverge |
| [07:08:48] | wagnerrp: | you would at least three to make it work |
| [07:08:51] | sphery: | mysql does replication, for those who choose to go for it :) |
| [07:09:16] | wagnerrp: | or rather at least three separate machines in use for mythtv |
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| [07:09:28] | sphery: | I just don't want to build that into mythtv |
| [07:09:28] | wagnerrp: | after the disconnect, it sees who is still alive |
| [07:09:35] | sphery: | especially if we end up going embedded db |
| [07:09:38] | wagnerrp: | if youve got more than half, you are now the live segment |
| [07:09:42] | wagnerrp: | if less... you shut down |
| [07:09:54] | sphery: | then sync differences |
| [07:10:03] | sphery: | and somehow figure out what's right/what's not |
| [07:10:21] | wagnerrp: | easier to just flush and reload |
| [07:10:30] | wagnerrp: | do it like a failed drive on a raid |
| [07:10:32] | sphery: | what about everything that happened in the interim |
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| [07:10:41] | sphery: | like the 20GB of recordings |
| [07:10:48] | wagnerrp: | what everything? |
| [07:10:53] | sphery: | some of which are dups of recordings done by other backends |
| [07:10:55] | sphery: | and so on |
| [07:11:17] | wagnerrp: | no, if you get equal to or less than half the network segment, you shut down |
| [07:11:28] | wagnerrp: | you mark your database as tainted, and terminate |
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| [07:11:41] | sphery: | or settings changes done by a frontend that was connected to A when it wasn't talking to B |
| [07:11:45] | sphery: | or ... |
| [07:11:53] | wagnerrp: | when you come back online, you pull a complete fresh copy of the database from the good half |
| [07:11:57] | sphery: | ah, shut down the whole backend |
| [07:12:39] | sphery: | I thought you were talking about when the network comes back, whoever had the biggest slice during the glitch kept theirs |
| [07:12:54] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, if you did mysql replication correctly, it'll interleave just fine |
| [07:13:07] | sphery: | but you're talking about shutting down when you realize you're missing the rest of the network |
| [07:13:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: correct |
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| [07:13:35] | sphery: | kormoc: even if you had multiple clients writing to different mysql servers for a while? |
| [07:13:43] | wagnerrp: | rather, you shut down when you realize youre missing the rest of the primary nodes |
| [07:13:50] | MylesMan: | hey sphery? |
| [07:13:56] | sphery: | hey |
| [07:13:57] | MylesMan: | or wganer |
| [07:14:04] | wagnerrp: | have a short keepalive, five seconds or so |
| [07:14:05] | kormoc: | sphery, yes, assuming auto-increment with correct offsets and a valid replication loop |
| [07:14:19] | wagnerrp: | after that, send out a warning to the rest of the systems |
| [07:14:31] | wagnerrp: | like a popup on any frontends |
| [07:14:36] | sphery: | anyway, the whole plan seems very complicated, IMHO, for a DVR |
| [07:14:43] | wagnerrp: | yes, excessively complicated |
| [07:14:46] | MylesMan: | can i have it automatically change channels after i type a number w/o pushing select |
| [07:14:48] | kormoc: | sphery, as long as they only touch the stuff needed for themselves, it'll work great |
| [07:14:58] | wagnerrp: | only worthwhile if some corporate user wants to contract it in |
| [07:15:20] | sphery: | I like "simplistic failure tolerance"--i.e. each recorder keeps recording the things they were last told they would record until communication is restored |
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| [07:16:01] | wagnerrp: | so each recorder keeps their own local copy of the upcoming recordings? |
| [07:16:03] | sphery: | or even current... remote backends continue recording what they're currently recording, then wait for restored communications |
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| [07:16:25] | sphery: | can't answer myles |
| [07:16:47] | wagnerrp: | no, you sure cant... :) |
| [07:17:18] | wagnerrp: | anyway, this is all conjecture at this point |
| [07:17:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: they would keep a list of only the recordings they will do (each host gets a host-specific list) |
| [07:17:30] | sphery: | at most |
| [07:17:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont think any of us has a large enough system to consider a fully redundant backend |
| [07:17:38] | sphery: | I'm actually happy with current design |
| [07:17:59] | sphery: | I have 2xE10000 servers with automatic failover |
| [07:18:20] | wagnerrp: | Suns? |
| [07:18:23] | sphery: | (Sun Fire E10000) :) |
| [07:18:27] | sphery: | just joking |
| [07:18:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i thought those were full cabinet units |
| [07:19:03] | sphery: | yeah, they're huge |
| [07:19:22] | wagnerrp: | like... $100k+ for a small one |
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| [07:25:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: When I was working for a certain employer and we needed more storage for our systems, we submitted a request to the IT guys for a small server to run a large storage array. The IT guys said, "No, that server isn't powerful enough for your needs. You need an E10K. But, really, you guys need automatic failover, so you should get two E10Ks." They sent back the request with the pricing for their recommended solution (2xE10Ks). ... |
| [07:25:42] | sphery: | ... It was about 10x the cost of the system we spec'ed out--and didn't have a single HDD. Remember that the whole point of the purchase was to get storage. (This was in 1999, and the E10K was basically just released.) |
| [07:25:59] | wagnerrp: | ive heard this store before |
| [07:26:02] | wagnerrp: | story |
| [07:26:10] | sphery: | sorry |
| [07:26:14] | sphery: | forgot I mentioned it |
| [07:26:24] | sphery: | anyway, was so annoying |
| [07:26:30] | wagnerrp: | no problem |
| [07:26:34] | wagnerrp: | must have been years ago |
| [07:26:38] | sphery: | yeah |
| [07:26:39] | wagnerrp: | didnt know i heard it here |
| [07:26:55] | sphery: | ah, you mean when I mentioned it |
| [07:27:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i thought this was some quote from some 'it nightmare' site or something |
| [07:27:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:27:33] | sphery: | should be |
| [07:28:02] | kormoc: | amusing |
| [07:28:23] | sphery: | worst part is that when we refused to spend the money on them, the IT guys went to the big boss, and he made a command decision and we ended up wasting the money on them |
| [07:29:53] | sphery: | and our servers all ran custom software that would run for days, weeks, or months--all I/O bound, not CPU bound--and in the event of a failover, it would restart the process from the beginning, thereby saving the amount of time it would have taken for one of the guys running the job to be notified that it failed and to restart it. |
| [07:30:19] | sphery: | (the software not having been designed for failover) |
| [07:31:23] | sphery: | so, basically, it runs a 2-week job for a week, then server fails, then new server restarts it to run for 2 weeks--and because it's automatic failover, it finishes 2 hours faster than it would have if some guy just restarted the job on the new server after fail |
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| [07:38:16] | wagnerrp: | is there any reason to put 'void' in as an input for functions without an input? |
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| [07:53:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, doesn't a empty argument list imply a dynamic argument list? |
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| [07:53:45] | wagnerrp: | i thought you needed argv/argc for that |
| [07:54:12] | kormoc: | you do |
| [07:54:13] | wagnerrp: | i mean i though you needed to explicitly specify that |
| [07:54:41] | kormoc: | I was fairly certain you had to specify not via void |
| [07:54:43] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [07:54:59] | wagnerrp: | entirely possible |
| [07:55:12] | wagnerrp: | my c knowledge is entirely self taught |
| [07:55:17] | wagnerrp: | c/c++ |
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| [07:55:42] | Beirdo: | IIRC, it's an ANSI C/C++ thing |
| [07:55:42] | wagnerrp: | and fortran, and python, and matlab, and php, and... |
| [07:55:58] | wagnerrp: | there really want much of a focus on programming for being an engineering degree |
| [07:56:20] | Beirdo: | it is likely not 100% needed in C++, but will gack out a C compiler in some cases if you don't have a void there |
| [07:56:36] | wagnerrp: | we had some very basic intro to c++ course freshman year, that never expanded beyond basic terminal IO |
| [07:57:06] | Beirdo: | the only exceptions I remember are teh constructor and destructor |
| [07:57:24] | Beirdo: | but I think in C++, it's mostly a style thing |
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| [07:58:10] | Beirdo: | mmmm, more fun music (Ted Nugent this time) |
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| [08:31:47] | justinh: | time to do some xml mangling! |
| [08:31:52] | laga: | bless ya |
| [08:31:58] | justinh: | lol |
| [08:32:10] | justinh: | I hope nobody else likes what I manage to churn out this time ;-) |
| [08:32:26] | laga: | everybody likes a kitten theme |
| [08:33:16] | justinh: | funny, that reminds me I slapped some new photos of my boy onto picasa last night. Have to update the ones on my desktop at some point |
| [08:34:39] | laga: | hum, i will set up gallery on my server again. i've started to dislike hosted services alot |
| [08:34:47] | sphery: | wow, Hitachi 2TB HDD for $59.99 after $10MIR for today's newegg shell shocker deal 3 |
| [08:34:54] | justinh: | need a better camera. he doesn't like flash (hey who does these days?) but he moves so fast a lot of photos are just blurred |
| [08:35:03] | wagnerrp: | $60? they were $70 a couple hours ago |
| [08:35:06] | justinh: | never sits still for a minute, that lad |
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| [08:35:23] | laga: | justinh: heh, nice :) |
| [08:35:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: starting at 1:00pm PST |
| [08:35:44] | justinh: | laga: yeah I had my fill of flickr with its need to maintain a ****ing yahoo account |
| [08:35:47] | wagnerrp: | well.. they were $80+MIR, theyre now $70+MIR |
| [08:36:00] | justinh: | hmm what's my yahoo login again? and then my flickr login? ARGHH |
| [08:36:11] | laga: | justinh: so now you just need a google login? :) |
| [08:36:14] | wagnerrp: | no SSI? |
| [08:37:15] | justinh: | laga: I already use gmail, & it's all the same details |
| [08:37:25] | laga: | ah, yeah |
| [08:37:37] | justinh: | plus I back everything up to the myth box incase the cloud goes away ;-) |
| [08:37:43] | justinh: | and I back up the backup |
| [08:37:45] | laga: | i don't even have the google apps on my android phone.. not interested anymore in having my data mined :) |
| [08:38:06] | justinh: | oh I just denied them access to anything personal. you can do that |
| [08:38:18] | wagnerrp: | laga: but its being mined by someone who promised to do no evil... :P |
| [08:38:19] | justinh: | not that you can necessarily control everything apps can see |
| [08:38:24] | laga: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [08:38:42] | justinh: | & God only knows what a windows phone or iOS will do ;-) |
| [08:38:51] | laga: | justinh: i use the f-droid repo so i don't get flurry analytics and all that crap :) |
| [08:39:15] | justinh: | flurry analytics? wth is that? :-O |
| [08:39:50] | justinh: | I rooted my phone but er.. beyond that I'm not yet trusting enough to put an $IMAGE made by $SOMEGUY on my phone |
| [08:40:20] | justinh: | my home computer yes.. but my phone? hmmm |
| [08:40:25] | laga: | flurry analytics is some free tracking software. get an API key, put that in your app, add the .jar, and you can see how people use your app |
| [08:40:47] | justinh: | I'm still looking for a really good public transport planner app |
| [08:40:48] | laga: | i just use cyanogen, so that's not just some guy, but some guy who I know loves bacon |
| [08:41:00] | ** wagnerrp eyes kormoc ** | |
| [08:41:14] | justinh: | all the ones I've been able to find only bother to show you where you can go from where you are – which is totally useless |
| [08:41:48] | justinh: | if I'm in town & aiming to get the last bus home I need to know how to get to the bus stop which will take me home :-) |
| [08:42:30] | justinh: | they didn't think about destinations when they made the transport system API |
| [08:44:06] | justinh: | laga: I've heard that name around a lot. I don't care too much about their meal preferences ;-) |
| [08:44:26] | laga: | justinh: _bacon_. can't be a bad person. all kidding aside: |
| [08:44:31] | justinh: | lol |
| [08:44:45] | kormoc: | Bacon? |
| [08:44:49] | justinh: | people go on & on about bacon sometimes. I mean it's nice & all but er... |
| [08:44:56] | justinh: | much ado about FA |
| [08:45:08] | kormoc: | Bacon is so tasty! |
| [08:45:16] | Beirdo: | heheh. kormoc was woken up by bacon |
| [08:45:26] | justinh: | yes, but some people mention it multiple times a day.. very shoutily |
| [08:45:34] | justinh: | I find that a bit... weird |
| [08:45:35] | kormoc: | http://www.google.com/chromeos/demolab/ <-- amusing |
| [08:45:38] | laga: | justinh: cyanogenmod is built entirely from source (minus few apps like ROMManager, and the proprietary libs for your device). so it's a bit different from some random guy fscking around with the ROM provided by the OEM and winzipping it back into shape again |
| [08:45:55] | justinh: | laga: ahh. |
| [08:45:55] | laga: | kormoc: "You need Flash Player and allow javascript to see the content of this site.. " |
| [08:46:08] | laga: | justinh: you might even built it yourself. ;) |
| [08:46:16] | justinh: | laga: that'd be my plan |
| [08:46:29] | kormoc: | laga, yeah, but amusing. You get to 'destroy' laptops |
| [08:46:48] | laga: | cyanogen and the team take google's open source release, add some awesomeness on top and ship it |
| [08:46:53] | justinh: | some of the howtos I've seen about building Android... yeesh. |
| [08:47:01] | laga: | justinh: heh. |
| [08:47:19] | justinh: | they're just not written in English, by English speaking people |
| [08:47:31] | laga: | i've been working a bit on replicant. a CM fork which aims to replace all proprietary libs (usually copied from the OEM image) with free bits. that's.. fun. |
| [08:47:31] | justinh: | muppets |
| [08:47:51] | justinh: | heh I don't care if it's open or not so long as it works |
| [08:48:04] | laga: | doesn't work as well. ;) |
| [08:48:25] | justinh: | if somebody could fix the random wifi disconnects that'd be nice |
| [08:48:47] | justinh: | phone goes to sleep, disconnects – great. phone wakes up, fails to reconnect. Bad |
| [08:49:09] | justinh: | user goes to wifi settings, sees connect failed.. does it manually.. works first time. WTH |
| [08:49:32] | laga: | building android (CM) is easy. repo init some_url && repo sync && cd new_dir && source some_other_dir/envsetup.sh && lunch your_device&& make -j4 bacon |
| [08:50:02] | laga: | justinh: http://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.wahtod.wififixer |
| [08:50:07] | justinh: | another thing about bacon.. reminds me of somebody :P |
| [08:51:15] | justinh: | er.. apply for the pilot program & get a free netbook? hmmm let me just think about that for one sec |
| [08:51:34] | justinh: | based in the US? BAH |
| [08:51:54] | kormoc: | justinh, meh. If you're not a web dev, it's a pretty useless laptop |
| [08:52:00] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:53:09] | kormoc: | it's just a chrome browser. That's it. No terminal. No other apps. No windows. |
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| [08:53:28] | kormoc: | lots of work to get it usable as everything has to live in the cloud/online |
| [08:53:33] | wagnerrp: | what kind of power? |
| [08:53:40] | kormoc: | you can't even log in on it without an internet connection |
| [08:53:51] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's a 1.6 ghz atom with intel gfx |
| [08:54:25] | Beirdo: | perfect. Ship one to sphery :) |
| [08:54:44] | justinh: | surely hackable though ... |
| [08:54:54] | Beirdo: | Oh crap, blah |
| [08:54:59] | justinh: | but I'd be pretty sure that'd be a violation of some T&Cs |
| [08:55:09] | kormoc: | justinh, nah. Firmware is signed. If it doesn't match it'll reflash back to the signed firmware automatically |
| [08:55:10] | Beirdo: | that last track is two tracks |
| [08:55:27] | kormoc: | justinh, well, this one has a developer mode that turns that off, but the idea is to not do that |
| [08:55:29] | laga: | signed firmware.. everything lives in the cloud.. no thanks? |
| [08:55:42] | Beirdo: | I guess I'll wait for this side of the Jethro Tull LP to finish capturing. |
| [08:55:59] | kormoc: | laga, it's a internet appliance, nothing more and it's actually pretty usable with that metric in mind |
| [08:56:04] | Beirdo: | laga... you being paranoid? have a wireless mouse! |
| [08:56:16] | Beirdo: | heh, good to see old names around. |
| [08:56:21] | kormoc: | laga, the idea is you give it to your grandma and even if she gets hacked, reboot and it's all back to pristine |
| [08:56:41] | Beirdo: | I do like that concept |
| [08:56:46] | laga: | odd, especially cause google developer phones – or even later regular google phones – can be flashed w/o a problem from a computer |
| [08:56:52] | justinh: | don't like the concept of the cloud |
| [08:57:12] | kormoc: | laga, well, this is purely reference hardware with a extremely beta os, so who knows what will change before it goes live |
| [08:57:14] | justinh: | in theory it's great, but beyond that.. who owns the data & who's responsible for its upkeep? |
| [08:57:18] | laga: | well, the signed thing is cool – if you could bypass that. |
| [08:57:30] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i like the 'cloud' concept from the Windows ad... you know they one where the 'cloud' is your desktop at home, that you can pull TV shows off of |
| [08:57:34] | laga: | and i don't like the cloud either, same as justinh |
| [08:57:44] | kormoc: | justinh, the cloud is controlled by where you go |
| [08:57:45] | justinh: | see the recent flickr case ;) |
| [08:57:51] | kormoc: | justinh, go to your own local install and you own the data |
| [08:58:00] | laga: | Beirdo: good to see _you_ around :) |
| [08:58:00] | wagnerrp: | oh wait, thats not a cloud, thats just a normal client server concept that has been around since the advent of the internet |
| [08:58:02] | wagnerrp: | silly me |
| [08:58:12] | justinh: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [08:58:52] | Beirdo: | To the cloud... pfft. |
| [08:58:54] | justinh: | got myself a dropbox account a while back.. still not really used it in anger |
| [08:59:35] | justinh: | maybe I wouldn't hate this new stuff if it wasn't just used so readily as an excuse to be 'zeitgeisty' |
| [08:59:51] | justinh: | like ... wait for it .. virtualisation |
| [09:00:09] | Beirdo: | justinh: you will make a great grumpy old man in time |
| [09:00:17] | laga: | he is |
| [09:00:24] | justinh: | I HATE hype |
| [09:00:30] | Beirdo: | he's got the grumpy down :) |
| [09:00:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:00:36] | ** laga making backups of all his DVDs to disk.. so they can be used with mythvideo ** | |
| [09:00:45] | laga: | this household needs moar mythtv, my friends |
| [09:00:51] | Beirdo: | I'd have to agree though, a lot of this stuff is overhyped |
| [09:00:56] | justinh: | all households do ;-) |
| [09:01:10] | justinh: | "we need storage". "CLOUD! CLOUD! CLOUD!" |
| [09:01:22] | justinh: | "we need more servers" "CLOUD! CLOUD! VIRTUAL CLOUD!" |
| [09:01:27] | Beirdo: | my boss may have bought into the stupidity that is PCI-E FLASH drives |
| [09:01:44] | justinh: | liek SHUT UP already.. do a proper analysis first |
| [09:01:45] | Beirdo: | as it's "10–100x faster" |
| [09:01:51] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [09:02:02] | laga: | back in the day, there was webmail, and everything was.. good? now i'm mostly concerned about privacy.. i mean, my cat pictures are reasonably safe in the cloud IF i back them up locally as well |
| [09:02:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: whats the problem with pcie flash drives? |
| [09:02:33] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: for the size they need for the database server, it would be about $300k |
| [09:02:34] | justinh: | the problem with everything is that it's being sold to gullible people by consultants ;-) |
| [09:02:35] | wagnerrp: | or are you just saying people are using them for tasks completely unneeding of that kind of IOPS? |
| [09:02:37] | Beirdo: | there's #1 |
| [09:03:01] | laga: | justinh: how does dropbox make money? |
| [09:03:02] | Beirdo: | #2... it just delays the inevitable if they don't fix the bloody schema |
| [09:03:06] | justinh: | laga: I dunno |
| [09:03:07] | wagnerrp: | oh, yeah... when youre talking about terabyte archive databases... |
| [09:03:17] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [09:03:25] | Beirdo: | small scale, they are sensible |
| [09:03:28] | wagnerrp: | multi-terabyte even |
| [09:03:49] | justinh: | laga: for my own data I care about, there's er.. ssh thingy wossname I forget the name of |
| [09:03:51] | wagnerrp: | you can get a 2TB one for $10K or so |
| [09:03:59] | Beirdo: | and then some boneheaded exec said "you need this for your project too" |
| [09:04:10] | Beirdo: | ummm NO we don't, thanks |
| [09:04:13] | laga: | i had some OSM data on my SSD and sql queries were.. fast. not that fast, though, thanks to dm-crypt :/ |
| [09:04:21] | Beirdo: | you go waste money on your own stuff, thans |
| [09:04:43] | Beirdo: | anyways... :) |
| [09:05:02] | Beirdo: | but tomorrow, I get to spec out 50 servers |
| [09:05:20] | Beirdo: | and keep a hairy eyeball on the installation of 4 more |
| [09:05:42] | kormoc: | Beirdo, FusionIO? |
| [09:05:53] | Beirdo: | I think I will be needing beer |
| [09:06:02] | Beirdo: | I think that was the one yeah |
| [09:06:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah... 2TB Z-Drive for $8272 |
| [09:06:32] | wagnerrp: | just how big of a database are you talking? |
| [09:07:05] | justinh: | oh yeah WinSCIP :-) |
| [09:07:11] | justinh: | er WinSCP |
| [09:07:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, problem with fusion io is they're the king of IOPS. When a typical drive gets 100–200 IOPS, a good SSD gets 65,000–90,000 IOPS, having a card that can do 120,000 IOPS isn't /that/ much better |
| [09:09:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but the question then becomes size |
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| [09:09:19] | wagnerrp: | is it easier to do one card, or a bunch of SSDs in a RAID |
| [09:10:07] | kormoc: | They have some issues as well |
| [09:10:15] | kormoc: | the duo and quads show up as 2 or 4 SD devices |
| [09:10:32] | justinh: | grrr. WORK. Go away work |
| [09:10:32] | kormoc: | to get speced space you need to use DM or similar which doesn't push TRIM down |
| [09:10:56] | laga: | i thought DM can do TRIM now? |
| [09:11:04] | laga: | only dm-crypt doesn't do that AFAIR |
| [09:11:28] | kormoc: | laga, Ooh? That's new then! I shall have to research |
| [09:11:35] | laga: | kormoc: i hope i'm right :) |
| [09:12:08] | laga: | ignoring whether Mr. Beirdo needs an SSD for his database or not, SSDs are *awesome*. |
| [09:12:20] | laga: | i want to get one for my desktop, but they're also expensive :) |
| [09:12:36] | Beirdo: | yeah, they have uses |
| [09:12:59] | Beirdo: | but they do cost too much |
| [09:13:20] | laga: | it's getting better |
| [09:13:26] | laga: | top of the line will always cost a lot |
| [09:13:43] | kormoc: | laga, looks like 2.6.37 + ext4 does push discards down though DM, that's snazzy |
| [09:13:57] | laga: | kormoc: :) |
| [09:14:02] | kormoc: | Beirdo, the OCZ Z drives are Much cheaper for similar performance specs |
| [09:14:09] | kormoc: | Beirdo, and larger sizes |
| [09:14:15] | wagnerrp: | anyone have a copy of python 2.7 installed? |
| [09:14:19] | Beirdo: | good luck convincing the pinheads of that |
| [09:14:24] | laga: | wagnerrp: *raises hands* |
| [09:14:25] | kormoc: | Beirdo, and the new Sandforce 2000 controllers will do wonders in the 2.5" SSD space |
| [09:14:36] | laga: | oh, new sandforce controllers? nice. |
| [09:14:42] | wagnerrp: | laga: could you run 'import xml; print xml.__version__' |
| [09:14:44] | justinh: | I wish our webdev guy would hurry up & finish the web app version of our time/attendance system – then I can go right ahead & switch to loonix on my work desktop :D |
| [09:14:47] | laga: | i hope the 1200 controllers will be cheaper then |
| [09:15:01] | kormoc: | laga, aye, they're slated for q2 of this year (I believe) |
| [09:15:03] | justinh: | then I can have a mythtv system on my desktop & not have to rely on NX'ing to home :D |
| [09:15:12] | laga: | wagnerrp: 0.8.4 |
| [09:15:34] | kormoc: | Batched discards too! 2.6.37 will be a good release for the ext4 SSD users |
| [09:15:40] | wagnerrp: | thats... completely different from what i was expecting |
| [09:15:59] | laga: | wagnerrp: that's on arch. |
| [09:16:11] | ** justinh wonders if groups can be shown as being in playlists ** | |
| [09:17:10] | justinh: | infact I wonder what happens when the buttonlists for groups & recordings are inherited from the same base & it has statetypes.. do the groups show any activity... hmm |
| [09:17:58] | wagnerrp: | laga: that package looks to be like 6 yrs old |
| [09:18:17] | wagnerrp: | and abandoned |
| [09:18:48] | laga: | wagnerrp: i never use the default XML api in python, fwiw. i don't have any other boxen with python 2.7 here, sorry :/ |
| [09:19:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but if it overwrites the integrated XML api in python... thats really bad |
| [09:19:20] | laga: | oh. |
| [09:19:29] | laga: | let me check my package manager.. |
| [09:19:30] | wagnerrp: | 'xml' is an internal library in python |
| [09:19:49] | wagnerrp: | and __version__ should supply a 5-digit integer |
| [09:19:54] | wagnerrp: | somewhere in the 4xxxx range |
| [09:21:08] | laga: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/nC6d4rxQ |
| [09:21:11] | laga: | output of "help" |
| [09:21:25] | laga: | help(xml), that is |
| [09:21:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, PyXML hasnt been touched since december, 04 |
| [09:22:15] | wagnerrp: | im surprised it even works with py2.7 |
| [09:22:17] | laga: | yeah, and i have pyxml installed. |
| [09:22:27] | laga: | so let me try removing it. |
| [09:22:34] | wagnerrp: | nah, dont worry about it |
| [09:22:35] | laga: | wagnerrp: mind you, this could all be specific to my install here |
| [09:22:38] | wagnerrp: | ill just install a copy here |
| [09:22:40] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [09:23:05] | laga: | does xml support xpath? i believe that was the reason i used lxml |
| [09:23:14] | laga: | or BeautifulSoup if necessary :/ |
| [09:23:30] | wagnerrp: | no, and thats the reason i use lxml for the python bindings |
| [09:23:39] | laga: | heh |
| [09:23:48] | wagnerrp: | RDV uses it for his stuff too, but apparently he uses the built in xml for something still |
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| [09:24:05] | wagnerrp: | and people on ubuntu 11.04 are complaining that it no longer has a __version__ value |
| [09:24:12] | laga: | i've recently started to code a lot in python for my BA thesis. it feels so incredibly easy. i can whip out important parts in one afternoon. |
| [09:24:22] | laga: | oh, duh. |
| [09:27:38] | justinh: | sigh. board with an Atmel MCU on it needs programming but its 'designer' didn't see fit to use our standard 0.1" header. he's brought the programming connections out to vias 0.5 mm apart |
| [09:28:07] | ** justinh smacks the designer in the face with a hammer repeatedly ** | |
| [09:28:36] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [09:30:18] | justinh: | that board is already on its 5th respin. oy oy oy |
| [09:31:43] | justinh: | it's something that takes coaxial telemetry & converts it to RS485.. oh and a PoE PSU. how's that taken so many respins already? LOL |
| [09:32:10] | Beirdo: | that sounds rather... easy... conceptually |
| [09:32:17] | justinh: | it is |
| [09:32:37] | justinh: | small board a few inches across by 2 inches |
| [09:32:46] | justinh: | maybe 4x2" |
| [09:32:55] | Beirdo: | of course, it would depend on the protocol in the telemetry, and all... but still |
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| [09:36:56] | justinh: | loads of different telemetry protocols |
| [09:37:44] | wagnerrp: | but different protocols should amount to different firmware and an eeprom flash right? |
| [09:37:50] | wagnerrp: | not a new board? |
| [09:37:58] | Beirdo: | sounds like |
| [09:38:12] | Beirdo: | the new boards would mostly be snafus |
| [09:39:06] | justinh: | different protocols are handled in the software |
| [09:39:23] | justinh: | it can do all the common ones |
| [09:39:35] | justinh: | and yes, SNAFUs... loads of em ;-) |
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| [09:39:45] | justinh: | we employ too many old people here |
| [09:40:05] | justinh: | not enough young, fit women |
| [09:41:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:41:25] | Beirdo: | with loose morals or otherwise, no doubt |
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| [09:42:52] | justinh: | younger people would be a start |
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| [09:43:27] | justinh: | I was sent down south last week to modify some mobile DVRs to correct a design probl.. erm.. better suit the customer |
| [09:43:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [09:44:20] | justinh: | 3 of us went on the trip & we had a laugh.. and managed to get through 150 units in 2 days. that's 150 units with 40 screws, 4 jackposts & stupid extruded housings |
| [09:45:04] | Beirdo: | open housing.. smash with hammer... close housing. |
| [09:45:53] | justinh: | stupid designer had put a transient absorber in the ignition sensing circuit *after* an EMI reduction inductor. which was great, til there was a spike on the ignition sense wire. transorb device conducted, went low impedance.. sent godknows what current through the inductor & it went FFFT! |
| [09:46:24] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [09:46:39] | justinh: | the fix was (get this!) to remove the transient absorber rather than retrofit a resistor to the ign sense wire |
| [09:46:57] | justinh: | stop it blowing up by.. removing the protection. sigh |
| [09:47:10] | Beirdo: | omg |
| [09:47:21] | justinh: | I tried for 2 days to sell the right solution to a manager but he insisted on removing a component |
| [09:47:21] | Beirdo: | so the next time, it will fry it good |
| [09:47:25] | justinh: | yup |
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| [09:47:42] | justinh: | the opamp it goes into has internal clamp diodes.. it'll be alright |
| [09:47:45] | Beirdo: | now that the "disposable" protection is gone... |
| [09:48:18] | justinh: | I mean 'alright'.. which begs the question why the transorb is on there |
| [09:48:58] | justinh: | managers should never be allowed anywhere near engineering decisions |
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| [09:49:17] | Beirdo: | manglers FTW |
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| [09:56:55] | justinh: | oh yeah, I'm really liking this new scheme |
| [09:57:01] | justinh: | (theme scheme) |
| [09:57:34] | justinh: | reflecting states of recordings with different coloured background shapes |
| [09:57:59] | justinh: | red for recording.. (I think) yellow for processing, green (maybe) for playlist ... |
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| [10:01:10] | Beirdo: | anyways, bedtime... 1.5h ago |
| [10:01:16] | Beirdo: | I should go sleep |
| [10:04:31] | justinh: | ahh. snag... playlist overrides recording |
| [10:05:23] | wagnerrp: | how do you squash a git merge again? |
| [10:05:40] | justinh: | hmm. I could always split this though... |
| [10:06:40] | justinh: | bingo! |
| [10:07:08] | justinh: | and now to change the background to grey |
| [10:08:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: git merge --squash? |
| [10:08:33] | Beirdo: | not sure that's what you were looking for though |
| [10:09:35] | Beirdo: | anyways, really gotta go sleep |
| [10:09:43] | Beirdo: | night all |
| [10:11:14] | wagnerrp: | well whatever i did... i f'd up good |
| [10:11:16] | justinh: | night |
| [10:11:22] | wagnerrp: | managed to rehash existing commits |
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| [10:15:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah.... Beirdo or xris, im going to need some help resolving this tomorrow |
| [10:16:58] | justinh: | here we go.. http://imagebin.org/136694 playlist & transcoding status reflected at the same time :) |
| [10:17:22] | justinh: | colours will likely be changed at some point |
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| [10:18:23] | justinh: | decided against animated icons & colour changing since they all end up asynchronous & look too busy if the system is er.. busy |
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| [10:22:54] | justinh: | hmm might even have room for an onscreen key |
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| [10:30:24] | justinh: | gah the 'processing' |
| [10:30:34] | justinh: | statetype isn't working. might only be a 0.24 thing |
| [10:40:57] | justinh: | commflagged statetype isn't working as a background either :-\ |
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| [11:45:27] | justinh: | #mythtv-theming Cannot send to channel |
| [11:45:32] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [11:46:04] | laga: | no noobs allowed ;) |
| [11:46:18] | justinh: | heh |
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| [11:56:22] | ** justinh goes to find Dustybin's theme ** | |
| [11:56:57] | laga: | where is he, btw? |
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| [11:58:47] | justinh: | dunno. maybe providing a lifetime's worth of source material for psdisasters.com |
| [11:59:45] | justinh: | can't believe this. I brought a thing of thai chicken soup in yesterday, took half out & ate it.. left the container with the rest in the fridge at work. somebody's ****ing nicked it! |
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| [12:01:48] | laga: | i seriously wonder how that even happens. i mean, everybody you ask, nobody would ever admit to doing such a thing |
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| [12:03:30] | AndyCap: | nicked or thrown out? |
| [12:03:42] | justinh: | what difference does it make? |
| [12:03:45] | justinh: | it's no longer there |
| [12:04:01] | justinh: | as for why it'd been thrown out – it was fine at 12pm |
| [12:04:12] | justinh: | so I very much doubt it'd gone mouldy by 5pm |
| [12:04:51] | justinh: | and no it wasn't out of date either |
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| [12:06:06] | ** justinh goes out to buy a sandwich ** | |
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| [12:23:55] | justinh: | oh – just out of curiosity I looked in the fridge on the other floor – and there's my soup. WTF |
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| [12:26:57] | justinh: | time to grep the source I guess |
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| [12:32:57] | AndyCap: | justinh: got a wormhole in the fridge? |
| [12:35:30] | justinh: | scouse cleaners more like |
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| [12:36:57] | justinh: | dirty cows, the ones who come in after core hours. I was in the lab once & they hadn't seen me working on a DVR so their conversation was er.. how shall I say.. unfettered. "and then he asked me to suck his **** and you know what I DID".. filth |
| [12:37:19] | justinh: | better in a scouse accent too :P |
| [12:37:42] | laga: | well, so there was some dick sucking. |
| [12:37:49] | laga: | oh. sorry. family-friendly etc. |
| [12:38:14] | justinh: | I won't tell. Promise |
| [12:38:49] | justinh: | wouldn't think it too professional of anybody at work to discuss sexual acts as such though |
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| [12:40:48] | laga: | i suppose it's ok if the act in question happened during work hours |
| [12:40:54] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:42:25] | justinh: | still can't figure out this statetype lark |
| [12:42:38] | justinh: | I might have to upgrade or something. sigh |
| [12:44:55] | justinh: | try another theme. see what that does |
| [12:46:04] | justinh: | doesn't seem to be doing anything with Terra either |
| [12:51:23] | justinh: | ah nuts |
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| [12:56:40] | justinh: | sigh. I'm in a catch-22 here |
| [12:57:01] | justinh: | I can't move up to 0.24 til this theme is compliant – but I can't test it fully without 0.24 |
| [13:00:30] | justinh: | whoah. that was a surprise |
| [13:04:24] | justinh: | not as much out of spec as I thought – and most of it is simply fixable |
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| [13:54:35] | justinh: | wow that xml validation is mean |
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| [14:16:15] | GreyFoxx: | I have a question for all of you out there using your ISP/colo companies email hosting. Do most of them allow you to manage your own email filtering blacklists? |
| [14:16:37] | GreyFoxx: | So user@blah.com can't email you, or to just drop all @blah.com emails from all of your domains ? |
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| [14:46:08] | ** justinh spreads a little happiness & reports a few ebay sellers for selling stuff that doesn't belong to them ** | |
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| [14:50:17] | justinh: | awww they changed the submission stuff |
| [14:50:38] | justinh: | now only law enforcement & actual owners of the property can report items |
| [14:50:39] | justinh: | boo |
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| [14:59:27] | rigel: | hi, the lirc mailing list archive is slow, and i was wondering about a custom lircrc. for instance, if i want to press a button to bring up vlc, for instance, and then have that also switch the function of a number of other buttons until i press another function button and close vlc |
| [14:59:43] | rigel: | how would i go about doing that? |
| [15:00:18] | GreyFoxx: | justin: What were they selling ? |
| [15:00:25] | rigel: | i mean, i could have a script that re-spawns irexec with a new .lircrc, and have a different rc file for each function |
| [15:00:28] | rigel: | but that seems kludgy |
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| [15:05:27] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: cable STBs |
| [15:06:08] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [15:06:14] | justinh: | rigel: I think you need to read the lirc docs & bone up on irexec. and FWIW VLC sucks IMHO |
| [15:06:53] | rigel: | ive read everything on the lirc website |
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| [15:08:01] | justinh: | anyway if you assign your button definitions properly you don't need to mess with mappings as you suggest |
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| [15:13:10] | Gnarle: | Good day all, I'm having some issues with lirc 0.9pre1 and my hauppauge 250 remote |
| [15:13:22] | Gnarle: | not getting a /dev/input/... device |
| [15:13:26] | Gnarle: | Any suggestions? |
| [15:13:30] | justinh: | what is this?! Frickin #lirc ? |
| [15:14:18] | Gnarle: | trying there also, some here may have experience and solved my issue... lirc+mythtv is common |
| [15:14:24] | justinh: | oh cross-posting |
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| [15:49:36] | justinh: | and another one bites the dust. yet another engineer leaves the building |
| [15:49:45] | justinh: | management is driving people away :) |
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| [16:06:55] | justinh: | wow. just read up on how recording priority works. oof |
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| [16:24:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: in case youre wondering, i just ended up rebasing and deleting the last <n> commits, and then re-pulling them |
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| [17:14:41] | brfransen: | I just upgraded to .24-fixes and the osd progress never moves off 0:00 during playback for any of my .nuv analog recordings. Any ideas? |
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| [18:02:11] | skd5aner: | hmm, updated to latest .24-fixes and now jamu is broke :( |
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| [18:06:16] | skd5aner: | here's the output of jamu -MWV, looks like there's some issue with unicode – http://pastebin.com/pwyGHpmP |
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| [18:07:27] | wagnerrp: | fun |
| [18:08:26] | skd5aner: | heh, yea... It had been working back in December :( |
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| [18:10:15] | skd5aner: | looks like this might be the culprit – https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/5aa7665 |
| [18:10:46] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ^? |
| [18:11:49] | skd5aner: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [18:11:49] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux was last seen 2 days 10 hours 50 minutes 9 seconds ago |
| [18:16:46] | skd5aner: | bingo – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . jamu;#470081 |
| [18:17:53] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: seems those changes might need to be applied per RDV's advice in that thread |
| [18:19:16] | iamlindoro: | if he wants it applied, he can submit a patch, but I'm not just going to wing it |
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| [18:21:59] | skd5aner: | yup, that fixed it for me :) |
| [18:22:12] | iamlindoro: | ping him next time you see him |
| [18:22:16] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ok, will do |
| [18:22:39] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure he'll be fine with it, it's just important to me that people feel ownership of their code, committer or not |
| [18:23:10] | skd5aner: | I can understand that |
| [18:24:41] | skd5aner: | but, just to play devil's advocate (not necessarily in this case, but as a generallity), how long should a known bug sit waiting for the owner to address it if there's a fix known to work? Again – just a general curiosity, not really disagreeing with your philosophy |
| [18:29:24] | iamlindoro: | JAMU is a deprecated script |
| [18:29:28] | iamlindoro: | due for removal |
| [18:29:40] | iamlindoro: | If it were in actual myth functionality, we'd fix it |
| [18:29:48] | iamlindoro: | if you'd like, I can simply remove JAMU instaead |
| [18:30:13] | iamlindoro: | and "fix known to work" is not the same as "tested by the author not to break anything else |
| [18:30:46] | iamlindoro: | Because quite frankly, neither you, nor I, nor anyone else has the level of familiarity with JAMU I consider required to confirm something as an acceptable fix |
| [18:30:57] | iamlindoro: | besides the script's author |
| [18:32:12] | iamlindoro: | Doug has a suite of tests he runs changes through to confirm there aren't any regressions-- finding something on the users list that works for two of you doesn't have the same compelling level of confidence |
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| [18:34:32] | rhollan: | sigh.. thinking of rebuilding a myth box: had mythbuntu but want something closer to mythtv without their hacks |
| [18:35:20] | rhollan: | are there any suggestions for a minimal OS install to put mythtv on top of? |
| [18:35:46] | tgm4883: | hacks? |
| [18:36:12] | rhollan: | I was under the impression that mythbuntu forked mythtv for their integrated solution... no? |
| [18:36:19] | tgm4883: | no |
| [18:36:23] | wagnerrp: | thats linuxmce |
| [18:36:24] | rhollan: | Hmmm. |
| [18:36:47] | tgm4883: | we have a few patches we add |
| [18:36:51] | tgm4883: | but not a fork for sure |
| [18:36:54] | rhollan: | perhaps I just borked things up so bad that I should reinstall then. |
| [18:37:16] | rhollan: | I'm not getting cover art anymore, for one. |
| [18:37:31] | tgm4883: | !logs |
| [18:37:40] | tgm4883: | bah, wrong channel, no zinn :( |
| [18:38:02] | wagnerrp: | rhollan: what mythbuntu /has/ done is write a bunch of wrapper scripts and other utilities that automate a number of tasks for setup of mythtv |
| [18:38:06] | wagnerrp: | but that doesnt make it a fork |
| [18:38:11] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [18:38:11] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [18:38:36] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, nah, I was looking for this |
| [18:38:37] | tgm4883: | Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/ You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin. |
| [18:38:49] | rhollan: | do they mess with storage directories? I never got that working rigjht and just finally gave up... it's months later now and I want to clean things up... possibly start from scratch. |
| [18:39:03] | tgm4883: | rhollan, we add default ones if thats what you mean |
| [18:39:08] | wagnerrp: | the define defaults, but do not 'mess with them' |
| [18:39:17] | tgm4883: | did you have your storage directories in your home directory? |
| [18:40:06] | rhollan: | no.. but I was confused as to importing: I had ISO rips and CD rips and was not sure if importing copied them or made symlink trees and then got metadata (cover art... some of which I already had). |
| [18:40:59] | rhollan: | I don't want to re-rip one by one and let myth index stuff and do all the DB goodness it does: I want to throw a bunch of files and directories at it. |
| [18:41:21] | tgm4883: | copy the files into the right directory? |
| [18:41:32] | tgm4883: | or add a dir to the storage group? |
| [18:41:42] | wagnerrp: | just point the 'Videos' group at where ever your content is |
| [18:41:44] | rhollan: | sure, but isn't there some DB indexing that has to happen so it can find cover art? |
| [18:41:46] | wagnerrp: | name it sensibly |
| [18:41:50] | wagnerrp: | and have mythtv scan for it |
| [18:42:10] | tgm4883: | rhollan, done when you hit scan for changes I believe |
| [18:42:17] | wagnerrp: | when you scan (if you have this option set) it will automatically pull metadata and artwork for all content from themoviedb or thetvdb |
| [18:42:23] | rhollan: | Ah. I suppose I can try that. |
| [18:42:44] | rhollan: | Though, that's part of the problem: I HAVE cover art for some of the content that it didn't find (mostly CD cover art) |
| [18:42:55] | rhollan: | DVDs too |
| [18:44:16] | tgm4883: | rhollan, so follow the guidelines for folder images http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Folder_Images |
| [18:44:21] | rhollan: | I remember also placing mythWeb behind an authentication mechanism, and had to change some of the scripts... which were probably changed back in an update. |
| [18:44:36] | rhollan: | So, I should probably start from scratch. |
| [18:44:38] | tgm4883: | thats for mythvideo, not sure if that applies to mythmusic too |
| [18:44:52] | tgm4883: | rhollan, mythweb authentication is enabled via MCC |
| [18:45:08] | rhollan: | Is that new (as in the past 6–7 months?) |
| [18:46:09] | tgm4883: | nope |
| [18:46:12] | rhollan: | I suppose my big question is if there is any argument from the "mythtv" gurus to avoid mythbuntu or not when I reinstall. |
| [18:46:29] | tgm4883: | I say use Mythbuntu, but i'm bias |
| [18:46:34] | rhollan: | How does MCC integrate with OpenLDAP? Can I configure queries? |
| [18:46:46] | rhollan: | Yeah, I started with Mythbuntu for the convenience. |
| [18:47:11] | tgm4883: | MCC doesn't integrate with openldap, the only authentication it adds is in apache |
| [18:47:16] | ** rhollan stores user service authentication in an LDAP database. ** | |
| [18:47:29] | rhollan: | Yeah, but apache can talk to OpenLDAP |
| [18:47:33] | tgm4883: | yea you'd have to set that up custom then |
| [18:47:44] | tgm4883: | rhollan, right, the MCC setup for that isn't that complex |
| [18:47:59] | rhollan: | Right. I did that, and then had to fix some scripts... which got reverted on the next update... not surprisingly. |
| [18:48:29] | tgm4883: | You would need to open a bug for that, there was an issue with it that would reset that authenticaion, but it shouldn't anymore |
| [18:48:34] | tgm4883: | that was likely the issue you were having |
| [18:48:59] | rhollan: | Ah. I guess I should retry then. Perhaps I hacked the auth stuff in wrong when I did it |
| [18:49:53] | rhollan: | I was using apache to hand off auth via an LDAP query, but it got lost on some subsequent requests (maybe from javascript on the mythweb pages served? Don't remember any more) |
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| [18:52:23] | rhollan: | I think you guys answered my main question: that I should not shun mythbuntu: it embelishes but does not fork |
| [18:52:26] | rhollan: | thanks |
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| [18:54:38] | skd5aner: | hmmm, ttvdb.com still collects zap2it/SchedulesDirect ID as a field |
| [18:56:06] | sphery: | rhollan: or, put another way, mythbuntu is pretty much what you'd have if you took plain ubuntu, then reconfigured it for best MythTV operation (though you may get a few extras with mythbuntu, too) |
| [18:56:09] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: NP, I have no issues waiting to talk with RDV when he returns – I was just curious, that's all :) |
| [18:56:21] | sphery: | rhollan: i.e. mythbuntu is MythTV on Ubuntu done right |
| [18:56:43] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, the TMS identifier collection is annoying |
| [18:57:27] | rhollan: | sphery: thanks... that's EXACTLY what I wanted.. .I don;'t know where I got the impression it was a 'bad' mythtv port or fork |
| [18:58:01] | skd5aner: | btw- I know JAMU is deprecated, but it's still very useful for recordings – I'm sure you've probably got something waiting in the wings though for that (if not already committed) |
| [18:58:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is that identifier tag copyrighted or something? |
| [18:58:13] | sphery: | as wagnerrp mentioned, you may have just confused it with Linux MCE (though whether to call that bad or not I'll leave to someone else to decide) |
| [18:58:32] | wagnerrp: | it seems like it would actually be great for pulling additional information off of ttvdb |
| [18:58:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: pretty sure it is... they generate it directly and make sure that no 2 episodes and no 2 shows have the same |
| [18:58:43] | wagnerrp: | or is the implication that people are copying the TMS data verbatim |
| [18:58:43] | rhollan: | See, I have a media server that does double duty for the home: sinking email, ntp server, caching web server, caching DNS server, and a few other things. So, I want a "decent but not bloated" OS under myth on it. One day, I might dedicate a mythtv box. |
| [18:58:45] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: apparently, it's proprietary and considered property of TMS |
| [18:58:57] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: or so I've been told |
| [18:59:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: all we need to do is use a different value... generate one internally to tmdb/ttvdb (ideally with coordination or at least different formats so no overlap), then there's no question at all whether it's usable |
| [18:59:42] | wagnerrp: | rhollan: then pick up a spare init script, run ubuntu server, install mythtv manually, and call it a day |
| [19:00:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: there already is that ID |
| [19:00:12] | wagnerrp: | the series ID in combination with season and episode number |
| [19:00:13] | sphery: | then just get rid of the TMS one |
| [19:00:39] | sphery: | that's not a 'fact' by any stretch of the definition |
| [19:01:04] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, i've not tested it, but I'm unsure whether the server kernel would have support for tv cards |
| [19:01:17] | sphery: | it's a unique identifier for a show that was assigned by them, so they shouldn't be collecting it |
| [19:01:20] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: ah, didnt think of that |
| [19:01:37] | tgm4883: | I have no reason to believe it wouldn't, but it does come with a different kernel specified as "server" |
| [19:01:48] | tgm4883: | which i would think would strip out some of that stuff |
| [19:02:47] | skd5aner: | sphery, wagnerrp: it's just a field they collect, I suppose for correlation purposes to existing data sources... for example, they collect tv.com ID, IMDB ID, and TMS ID – as optional fields. Of course, the assign their own unique ID as well, but I suppose their thinking was that the metadata could be used to "link" shows based on other unique IDs |
| [19:03:09] | skd5aner: | I guess the point is, from what I've been told, they shouldn't be collecting TMS ID since it's against the TOS to do so |
| [19:03:34] | rhollan: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's what I was thinking... but if mythbuntu is "good enough" to be "ubuntu server plus all the UI stuff mythtv needs", that's good enough for me — I just got a misperception in my head. |
| [19:03:36] | skd5aner: | I think their intentions were probably innocent, but it's a matter of if they're allowed to do it or not |
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| [19:04:47] | wagnerrp: | this customEvent on the protocol server is painful... |
| [19:04:53] | rhollan: | What I actually did, was install mythbuntu, THEN add all the other stuff (like Roundcube mail). Then when I saw how nice RC mail's auth system was, I wanted to use that for remote mythtv web users (as in, listen to my music at work). |
| [19:05:09] | sphery: | rhollan: IMHO, 99% of the "bloat" in a modern distro (where HDD bloat is completely ignored because it's irrelevant in these days of $60 2TB HDDs--though the following may also apply to the HDD bloat), is their choosing to run a bloated desktop environment (GNOME or KDE). So, as long as you choose to use something other than GNOME/KDE, you should be fine. IIRC, Mythbuntu uses XFCE by default, which is /much/ better than using GNOME/KDE, ... |
| [19:05:15] | sphery: | ... but if you want it even leaner, you can switch to a plain window manager (no desktop environment), like Fluxbox (about 1MB memory footprint) or even RatPoison (300kB memory footprint). |
| [19:05:42] | wagnerrp: | right, the bloat is in otherwise unused disk space |
| [19:05:46] | tgm4883: | yep, we still use XFCE |
| [19:05:52] | wagnerrp: | its not like its actually running, consuming memory or CPU |
| [19:06:01] | Wicked: | :o 60$ 2tb drives? |
| [19:06:12] | rhollan: | sphery: yeah, I thought that too... but there tend to be a bunch of other services besides the desktop: printer daemons and what not. |
| [19:06:16] | ** Wicked wants ** | |
| [19:06:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | there is a lot of stuff that's started automatically in gnome that you can easily turn off. kde is probably the same. |
| [19:06:22] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: yeah, low power hitachi on newegg today |
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| [19:06:31] | wagnerrp: | $70+$10MIR |
| [19:06:32] | Wicked: | damn my unemployed status! |
| [19:06:48] | Wicked: | ive been looking to snag up ~4 drives for an array |
| [19:06:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | an ION frontend is going to be knackered by wifi before it implodes due to gnome bloat. |
| [19:07:01] | tgm4883: | $60 2TB drives! damn my married status! |
| [19:07:12] | rhollan: | damn by status as fighing a child custody suit (ex had kids truant, I have them now, she wants them back, and STATE is backing her... to get her off of welfare) |
| [19:07:13] | tgm4883: | ;) |
| [19:07:14] | sphery: | BTW, the $60 2TB deal starts in 2 hrs |
| [19:07:42] | blizzard_: | 2TB drives, damn my pr0n |
| [19:07:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | what? cheap product should be just the thing for "married status". It's the $400 drives that are a WAF problems. |
| [19:07:52] | Wicked: | hmm. sphery where is it listed/ |
| [19:07:59] | tgm4883: | what i actually need is a gigabit switch that doesn't suck |
| [19:08:02] | Wicked: | i just looked under the daily deals and did not see it |
| [19:08:07] | sphery: | Wicked: http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx in 2 hrs |
| [19:08:10] | rhollan: | $60 2TB? *that drooling comes from my visions of RAID* |
| [19:08:11] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: you and me both |
| [19:08:18] | Wicked: | thanks sphery |
| [19:08:20] | sphery: | 1PM PST through midnight PST |
| [19:08:43] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [19:09:06] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, i've gone though 2 linksys business class ones and a dlink green one. All are pretty crap |
| [19:09:19] | tgm4883: | the linksys ones died after < 6 months |
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| [19:09:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was disappointed in mine |
| [19:09:47] | wagnerrp: | lasted maybe a year before the fan burned up, the switch itself was soon to follow |
| [19:10:04] | wagnerrp: | it was an 8-port switch and one of the ports /never/ worked |
| [19:10:14] | sphery: | I need to switch my chained 8-ports for a 24-port |
| [19:10:24] | wagnerrp: | it would connect, but could never achieve more than ~4kbps |
| [19:10:29] | rhollan: | I've actually had better luck with Netgear than Stinksys |
| [19:10:47] | wagnerrp: | rhollan: ive got two netgear switches, and theyre both crap |
| [19:10:49] | blizzard_: | rhollan, i'm the other way around |
| [19:10:59] | wagnerrp: | theyve both been replaced once, one of them twice |
| [19:11:04] | blizzard_: | I prefere linksys before netcrap |
| [19:11:06] | rhollan: | I guess they both have Q/C problems |
| [19:11:09] | wagnerrp: | and then tend to get caught in broadcast loops |
| [19:11:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | I dunno. Isn't Newegg notorious for poorly packaging hard drives? |
| [19:11:33] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: yes, but whether that's actually a problem is the one thing that people haven't proven |
| [19:11:43] | wagnerrp: | all my network traffic stops, and i go downstairs to see the switches blinking away like mad |
| [19:11:46] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: I get all my HDDs from newegg and have never had a DOA |
| [19:11:50] | rhollan: | haven't had any trouble with their WNDR3300 or 802.11n bridge |
| [19:12:00] | rhollan: | *crosses fingers* |
| [19:12:11] | sphery: | I have a feeling most of the people complaining are seeing a different problem, then blaming the one thing they see |
| [19:12:14] | wagnerrp: | rhollan: we had the same exact problem on commercial 24-port netgear garbage |
| [19:12:22] | rhollan: | running 802.11 WPA2/Enterprise |
| [19:12:30] | wagnerrp: | only solution was to power them all down, and back up |
| [19:12:46] | wagnerrp: | if any were left running, it would 'infect' the rest of them on the network |
| [19:12:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | that is a common affliction everywhere. blame the most convenient victim. |
| [19:12:51] | ** rhollan remembers that the myth box is ALSO a wireless auth radius server... using the same ldap database ** | |
| [19:12:52] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: and, FWIW, when I RMAed my Seagate 1.5TB, I used the newegg packaging from a WD Caviar Green and Seagate considered it appropriately packed |
| [19:12:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yea I have a dlink that says my xbox is connected. The xbox says no cable connected at all. dlink says the same even if I remove the cable. Have to unplug the thing to get it to reset |
| [19:13:10] | tgm4883: | I had a cheap trendnet one once that melted the plastic off of itself |
| [19:13:20] | wagnerrp: | meanwhile the linksys 24-ports we had would happily continue passing traffic without a problem |
| [19:13:22] | skd5aner: | where do screenshots get dumped when using the screenshot keybinding? |
| [19:13:30] | skd5aner: | screenshot SG? |
| [19:13:36] | sphery: | skd5aner: key binding or jump point? |
| [19:13:38] | sphery: | there are 2 |
| [19:13:41] | sphery: | different places for each |
| [19:13:46] | skd5aner: | ah, well... both then? |
| [19:13:53] | skd5aner: | I was going to use Alt-S for a jump point |
| [19:14:08] | skd5aner: | but what's the difference? |
| [19:14:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...it might finally be time to build that backup array then. |
| [19:14:23] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/457807#457807 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 92813#392813 |
| [19:14:59] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: the above said, I take no responsibility if you get a run of broken/damaged HDDs from newegg due to improper packaging :) |
| [19:15:23] | ** sphery employs a little "Cover Your Chat" ** | |
| [19:15:37] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks for the links |
| [19:15:40] | ** blizzard_ employs a midget ** | |
| [19:15:59] | blizzard_: | naaah, thats a bad jobe |
| [19:16:05] | ** blizzard_ employs a small guy ** | |
| [19:16:12] | tgm4883: | The last hard drives I got were packaged great. There is a 50/50 chance I got them from newegg, might have been amazon though |
| [19:16:23] | sphery: | blizzard employs a bunch of dwarves and elves and trolls and ogres |
| [19:16:38] | sphery: | WoW, that was a bad joke |
| [19:16:39] | skd5aner: | you should have seen the box Samsung sent my replacement RMA drive back in >:( |
| [19:16:57] | blizzard_: | already have the elves/trolls/ogres and a small army of goblins |
| [19:17:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | what's the limit going to be on that? how many drives? |
| [19:17:04] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh, Seagate finally "shipped" mine (at least they printed the label--UPS still doesn't have it, yet) |
| [19:17:08] | wagnerrp: | sealed in a ES bag or plastic case, wrapped in several layers of large size bubble packing... ive never had a problem with newegg |
| [19:17:26] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: since its a MIR, probably one per household |
| [19:17:40] | skd5aner: | sphery: heh |
| [19:17:48] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, still $70 for a 2TB isn't bad either |
| [19:17:55] | skd5aner: | due to the snow storms in the midwest, my 2 day shipping from Amazon took a full calendar week |
| [19:18:12] | sphery: | skd5aner: I now understand why it took you so long to get your MythTV box back up and running since you had to wait for a couple RMAs |
| [19:18:20] | blizzard_: | Question: QUAD vs Quattro LNB's.. what should I use? (two satellite positions and I want to fully utilize myth...) |
| [19:18:26] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, interesting, my 2 day shipping took only an extra day. It was over the weekend though |
| [19:18:36] | sphery: | skd5aner: hope it was Prime... otherwise, that sucks that you paid extra for it and didn't get it |
| [19:18:36] | wagnerrp: | is there a difference? |
| [19:18:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | yup. I had the same issue... saw 3 or 4 entries in the tracking page citing weather. |
| [19:18:58] | blizzard_: | wagn: yes =( |
| [19:18:59] | skd5aner: | yea, then I realized I didn't have any thermal paste, so that took another day – but actually I just gave up and went to Radio Shack and bought it because Amazon cancelled that order because apparently they were out of stock |
| [19:19:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: maybe Quattro LNBs have more yellow? |
| [19:19:16] | skd5aner: | yea – amazon prime |
| [19:19:25] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, who doesn't have extra thermal paste just lying around? |
| [19:19:26] | blizzard_: | no, quad LNB's are more or less four LNB's in one housing |
| [19:19:33] | skd5aner: | and, I didn't really need it that fast – UPS just dropped it off 10 mins ago :) |
| [19:19:43] | blizzard_: | Quattro splits horizontal, low, high etc in four different paths... |
| [19:19:51] | blizzard_: | and requires a multiswitch |
| [19:20:00] | blizzard_: | not really sure what's the best solution for me =/ |
| [19:20:10] | sphery: | tgm4883: heh, I have a ton of it, but never had any quality paste until I re-seated my XBox 360 mobo to try to prevent the RRoD (decided that's one system where good paste was worth it) |
| [19:20:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | ne1 got any direct experience with the TR5M-BP? |
| [19:20:22] | sphery: | bought some AS for it |
| [19:20:33] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks for the details on the screenshots – I wonder if the jumppoint works with VDPAU |
| [19:20:43] | sphery: | skd5aner: think so |
| [19:20:52] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea, AS is pretty good |
| [19:20:59] | ** rhollan wishes there were other GSM carriers besides tmobile and at&t in U.S. ** | |
| [19:21:22] | sphery: | LTE ftw! |
| [19:21:32] | skd5aner: | sphery: not sure if I missed it, but I didn't see where those get placed? |
| [19:21:33] | ** tgm4883 uses sprint ** | |
| [19:21:50] | sphery: | seems there will be (some? more?) convergence, finally, come 4G |
| [19:21:52] | skd5aner: | sphery: you mean 3.25G? ;) |
| [19:22:02] | rhollan: | ordered phone on line.... order does not go through... buy phone retail... UPS *surprise* two days later... returns retail phone.... WTILL waiting for refund. |
| [19:22:09] | tgm4883: | oh not that argument |
| [19:22:22] | sphery: | heh, LTE will be 4G, right? but Sprint/T-Mobile/AT&T's current 4G isn't |
| [19:22:31] | skd5aner: | None have true 4G |
| [19:22:59] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, technical vs practical |
| [19:23:07] | rhollan: | perhaps, but son's Samsung Vibrant is a lot snappier than my 3G myTouch |
| [19:23:10] | sphery: | I do think that the "more G's" superbowl commercial was useful--as a "who cares about Gs" |
| [19:23:22] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: technical versus marketing ;) |
| [19:23:23] | skd5aner: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#ITU_Requireme . . . ss_standards |
| [19:23:29] | sphery: | rhollan: but the myTouch 4G is a beautiful phone--at least in the ads |
| [19:23:40] | ** rhollan thanks himself for getting n unlimited data plan for son ** | |
| [19:24:06] | rhollan: | I looked at the myTouch 4G... I like the bigger Samsung screen |
| [19:24:10] | skd5aner: | 4G is a specification, that none of the 4G networks meets – but the ITU has allowed them some leeway in saying 4G to mean more like "pre-4G" or "4'th generation" |
| [19:24:17] | rhollan: | though, it's about the limit for a phone |
| [19:24:36] | rhollan: | ITU succumed to marketting pressure... boooo! |
| [19:24:52] | skd5aner: | sphery: yes, the myTouch 4G is HOT... |
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| [19:25:07] | ** sphery doesn't remember a screen on the myTouch 4G... ** | |
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| [19:25:18] | skd5aner: | and I don't mean the phone, I mean the actress who's portraying a myTouch 4G |
| [19:25:30] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, meh, carriers went to the next available technology and as a progression, called it 4G. IIRC, the 4G specification didn't exist at the time |
| [19:25:31] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh, same here... Carly Foulkes |
| [19:25:32] | skd5aner: | I'm happy with my Droid 2 |
| [19:25:57] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: 4G as a spec has existed for years ttbomk, like since 2003 at least in draft form |
| [19:26:03] | tgm4883: | so either A) the ITU should call it 5G, or B) they should abandon the #G and go somewhere else |
| [19:26:16] | sphery: | +1 on abandoning G |
| [19:26:19] | sphery: | it's meaningless |
| [19:26:27] | skd5aner: | I guess the point being is, the carriers are screwing with people's minds |
| [19:26:37] | sphery: | and who cares which generation it is... use some useful measure of quality/bandwidth/capability/... |
| [19:26:51] | skd5aner: | they see their competitors are hyping 3G phones, so what can they do... I know, push an upgrade to their network and call it 4G... IT'S BETTER! |
| [19:27:14] | skd5aner: | sphery: that's what the ITU spec is supposed to do, the carriers blew that to hell though |
| [19:27:16] | sphery: | that's the problem--it's just marketing by the numbers and it's meaningless |
| [19:27:46] | skd5aner: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#ITU_Requireme . . . ss_standards |
| [19:28:02] | skd5aner: | Peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements. |
| [19:28:43] | skd5aner: | regardless – I'm happy there's progress |
| [19:28:45] | sphery: | yeah, but when you're measuring something where data rates fall off from certain very small sweet spots, even those numbers are meaningless |
| [19:28:54] | sphery: | at least in my opinion |
| [19:29:14] | skd5aner: | damn, I just closed my browser window iwht like 20 tabs open :P |
| [19:29:27] | sphery: | I hate that Ctrl Q |
| [19:29:32] | sphery: | so close to Ctrl W |
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| [19:30:03] | skd5aner: | sphery: sorry, to go back to screenshots a second – so where do they get placed? |
| [19:30:05] | ** tgm4883 lobbies for a "sustained download/upload speed" instead of #G or any other number ** | |
| [19:30:09] | skd5aner: | I might have missed it in those links, but didn't notice it |
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| [19:33:42] | sphery: | skd5aner: the GUI screenshot (jump point) uses screenshot path (default /tmp), but the in-playback screen shot uses ~/.mythtv |
| [19:39:16] | skd5aner: | yea, just found it :) |
| [19:39:17] | skd5aner: | thanks |
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| [19:41:04] | skd5aner: | looks not to work with VDPAU |
| [19:41:09] | skd5aner: | just get a black screen |
| [19:41:27] | skd5aner: | np, I can switch to get the screenshots |
| [19:41:48] | skd5aner: | (the jumpoint that is) |
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| [20:10:07] | ** rhollan is tearing his hear out over an xsd compilation ** | |
| [20:10:18] | rhollan: | s/hear/hair/ |
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| [20:25:39] | justinh: | ls -al /var/www/ |
| [20:25:43] | justinh: | haha oops |
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| [20:36:06] | wagnerrp: | gah... why cant people read |
| [20:36:40] | wagnerrp: | 'please attach all output as a FILE in bug reports' |
| [20:37:14] | wagnerrp: | i guess that means i should paste the raw text into the ticket |
| [20:38:09] | sphery: | you've played a bit with the trac stuff... any way we could make a new field on the form for: mythbackend --version or mythfrontend --version output, and then have that stored to an attachment? |
| [20:38:18] | sphery: | or is that way more hacking than it's worth? |
| [20:38:33] | kormoc: | that's a lot of work actually |
| [20:38:39] | kormoc: | the to a file part at least |
| [20:39:21] | sphery: | :( |
| [20:39:37] | sphery: | how about just stuffing it in a different DB field so it's not used in the searches? |
| [20:40:45] | wagnerrp: | easiest would be to write some form into mythweb, or the new setup server, to hook into the XMLRPC calls and create new tickets automagically |
| [20:41:27] | wagnerrp: | then it wouldnt be non-native behavior we would have to maintain, that would not be likely to be accepted upstream |
| [20:41:30] | sphery: | but both of those presume you're able to run the ticket-generating parts of the code :) |
| [20:41:40] | wagnerrp: | true |
| [20:42:22] | sphery: | anyway, just thought it might be nice to make it more in-your-face--since your changing the wording of the --version output didn't seem to be enough |
| [20:42:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what's worse is I'm pretty sure that ticket is a dup |
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| [20:48:35] | wagnerrp: | and all this 'WAF is very low' crap annoys me too |
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| [20:48:41] | wagnerrp: | just own up |
| [20:48:52] | wagnerrp: | your mythtv system isnt stable, and youre not happy |
| [20:48:58] | wagnerrp: | dont blame it on the W |
| [20:50:04] | sphery: | and don't make it sound like we, the community, are responsible for letting you down |
| [20:50:13] | sphery: | it's FOSS, so get involved and do something about it |
| [20:51:45] | justinh: | I'm constantly irked by folks on twitter whining about it |
| [20:51:59] | justinh: | muh, hubby goes away & frickin mythtv falls over AGAIN |
| [20:52:20] | kormoc: | I'm really wanting to tell folks that the answer to WAF is divorce |
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| [20:53:16] | justinh: | what they really mean I think is 'mythtv is making me look inept' ;-) |
| [20:53:27] | sphery: | the real question is whether it's really MythTV that results in the reduced WAF or if it may be the H that's the root cause |
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| [20:53:44] | sphery: | justinh: exactly! |
| [20:53:50] | justinh: | my wife is totally understanding & realises that no PVR is perfect |
| [20:54:02] | sphery: | wait, mine is... |
| [20:54:13] | justinh: | for every 1 recording she's missed her mates with SKY+ have missed tens each |
| [20:54:14] | sphery: | it's the stupid hardware that's not :) |
| [20:55:08] | justinh: | mind, not many hardware PVRs get a complete revamp every few years ;-) New HDDs, new system... |
| [20:55:09] | sphery: | yeah, a friend of mine with a Cable DVR had some hundred+ shows recorded--including a whole season of his favorite show, and the DVR failed. Cable co replaced it for him--but he and his wife lost all those unwatched recordings. |
| [20:55:42] | justinh: | I lost my root HDD last year & all I misplaced was one recording – which was a dupe anyway :D |
| [20:55:45] | sphery: | it happens... not much you can do about it other than set up mirroring or whatever |
| [20:55:50] | wagnerrp: | but wait! you can upgrade your cable service to $100/mo and get all of those on demand! |
| [20:56:20] | sphery: | I just lost 274 recordings on a 1.5TB HDD crash, but only 37 were actually interesting--and most of those will re-air this summer, so, meh... |
| [20:56:23] | justinh: | we get loads of stuff on demand for free |
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| [20:56:47] | rhollan: | kormoc: divorce, yes, but it is expensive. Esp. if you have kids like I do. |
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| [20:57:31] | kormoc: | rhollan, okay... hitman? |
| [20:57:35] | ** sphery uses the "If I record 85% garbage and only 15% good shows, when I have a drive failure, it's not a big deal" approach to fault tolerance ** | |
| [20:58:04] | sphery: | rhollan: kormoc knows a guy who knows a guy |
| [20:58:28] | wagnerrp: | he works dirt cheap |
| [20:58:37] | wagnerrp: | and does dirty deeds |
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| [21:03:04] | justinh: | that'd be what I call a sour divorce |
| [21:04:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | if it were important you would just buy the DVD right? '-) |
| [21:04:15] | sphery: | "Both the internal and external IP addresses on the backend were set to the hostname. The error went away when I set them to the actual IP (e.g., 192.168.1.100) This is not a permanent fix since Network Manager does not allow static IPs. (although in my experience it is usually consistent in assigning the same IPs to computers)." |
| [21:04:33] | sphery: | What, putting an IP address in a setting called IP address works, but putting a hostname in a field called IP address doesn't work? |
| [21:04:40] | sphery: | how misleading |
| [21:05:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: not to mention the fact that Network Manager allows setting static IPs |
| [21:05:07] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:05:30] | sphery: | yeah, hoping someone will look up the instructions and send them to the list and cc her |
| [21:05:31] | wagnerrp: | and somehow he thinks Network Manager is some distributed DHCP-like program |
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| [21:06:15] | GreyFoxx: | 3 |
| [21:06:18] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [21:06:22] | wagnerrp: | 4 |
| [21:06:42] | iamlindoro: | 5, I win |
| [21:06:45] | iamlindoro: | GAME OVER |
| [21:06:56] | iamlindoro: | and no, you can't call 6 now, game is over |
| [21:07:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what thread was that? i remember reading it but dont remember where |
| [21:07:10] | ** iamlindoro wonders why people would assume that the composite connection on their capture card was a video out ** | |
| [21:07:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9559 |
| [21:07:31] | wagnerrp: | oh, right... closed ticket |
| [21:07:32] | sphery: | or do you mean the instructions on network manager? |
| [21:07:59] | sphery: | those I'm not sure of... |
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| [21:08:18] | sphery: | #9562 is also annoying |
| [21:08:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was considering closing that FRWAP |
| [21:08:54] | sphery: | "My NFS or network is so bad that checking the file system's space available makes some themes unusable" |
| [21:08:58] | iamlindoro: | Someone should also close the "the scheduler is slow" ticket |
| [21:09:02] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: because RCA wasn't smart enough to not make both ends of the cable the same. ;-) |
| [21:09:11] | iamlindoro: | that's a prime "prove it's a bug or shove off" ticket |
| [21:09:16] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: heh |
| [21:09:20] | sphery: | [mythtv] QUERY_FREE_SPACE_LIST every 15 seconds may be the real problem |
| [21:09:38] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: A deficiency shared by $EveryOtherConsumerVideoCable too, though |
| [21:10:00] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/468372#468372 |
| [21:10:05] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: unfortunately. |
| [21:10:26] | devinheitmueller: | after years of serial port crap, I was so pleased when USB came out with a descent cable design. |
| [21:10:44] | iamlindoro: | descent into madness, that is |
| [21:10:59] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: yeah, but because of it, you get incessant requests for an A-to-A cable |
| [21:11:02] | sphery: | but usb3, er, superspeed usb might be useful for more than mice/keyboards |
| [21:11:09] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: heh. |
| [21:11:10] | ** justinh laughs ** | |
| [21:11:20] | justinh: | a manager got me to make an A-to-A cable the other week |
| [21:11:29] | sphery: | wait, you're saying my new USB is superspeed. It's not full speed, anymore? I want the rest of my speed! |
| [21:11:37] | wagnerrp: | justinh: did you let him plug it in to fry the equipment? |
| [21:11:40] | sphery: | I hate USB marketing |
| [21:11:46] | wagnerrp: | 'this is broken, you must have wired it wrong' |
| [21:11:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: it was for a 'special' |
| [21:11:56] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: that's right up there with people who go into the hardware store looking for a male-to-male power cable for their generator. |
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| [21:12:32] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: i dont get it |
| [21:12:53] | wagnerrp: | isnt that how most of them are designed? |
| [21:13:02] | wagnerrp: | you trip a breaker to cut off mains power |
| [21:13:02] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: people want to backfeed the power from their generator onto their house's circuit, so they can power the house when the power goes out. |
| [21:13:16] | wagnerrp: | plug the generator into a wall outlet, and presto |
| [21:13:35] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I hope you're being sarcastic. |
| [21:13:51] | clever: | usualy, the cutoff panel has a metal level in place, so turning the generator breaker on forces the main breaker off |
| [21:13:53] | wagnerrp: | i realize youre only going to get 15A, which isnt going to run much |
| [21:13:57] | clever: | so it cant back feed into the grid |
| [21:14:05] | clever: | lever* |
| [21:14:12] | wagnerrp: | and if you try to do that while connected to the mains, youre going to break stuff |
| [21:14:28] | wagnerrp: | but yes, i thought thats how you hooked up small residential generators |
| [21:14:45] | ** wagnerrp has never looked too closely at small residential generators ** | |
| [21:14:48] | devinheitmueller: | clever: correct. You need to wire a dedicated cutoff ahead of the panel if you're going to put power onto the house circuit. |
| [21:15:40] | wagnerrp: | i thought just about anyone with a breaker panel had one of those |
| [21:16:12] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: No. You cannot do just cut the main breaker. |
| [21:16:30] | wagnerrp: | ok, i thought you could |
| [21:18:01] | Shadow__X: | I am not sure if anyone reported this but the mysql mirrir the osx packager script uses does not have the package anymore. I did no see anything on the message board so i thought i would bring it up |
| [21:18:21] | Shadow__X: | the mirror in question is http://mysql.he.net/Downloads/MySQL-5.0/mysql-5.0.89.tar.gz |
| [21:19:51] | sphery: | Shadow__X: was changed yesterday |
| [21:20:28] | sphery: | Shadow__X: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/4c . . . 860fa7ba102a |
| [21:20:28] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: if you really care: http://www.ehow.com/how_2105893_hook-up-emergency-generator.html |
| [21:20:39] | Shadow__X: | sphery: oh ok sorry about that. |
| [21:21:02] | sphery: | Shadow__X: note the branch, though (and, no, I have no clue whether you should use OSX-buildbot or OSX-fixes or master or ...) |
| [21:21:57] | Shadow__X: | oh thats fun. A bunch of branches. That would explain it i got the latest from use-git and it was using the old mirror |
| [21:22:18] | sphery: | ah, yeah, forgot about Use-Git |
| [21:22:38] | sphery: | you should make a Shadow-OSX branch and consolidate fixes from all of them |
| [21:22:42] | sphery: | ;) |
| [21:22:48] | Shadow__X: | i didn't think to use another branch since nigel has been doing soo much work on use-git |
| [21:23:12] | sphery: | but, hey, making it easy for everyone and their brother to branch is why git is so great, right? |
| [21:23:22] | Shadow__X: | sphery: yeah honestly what i wanted to do was make an automatic build bot and whatever i had to do i was going to bit it in a repo |
| [21:23:25] | sphery: | look at how much extra work we're getting from all these contributors |
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| [21:23:34] | sphery: | s/extra work/extra forks/ |
| [21:23:43] | darkdrgn2k: | hey guys |
| [21:23:51] | darkdrgn2k: | ok for some reason i dont have audio in my front end |
| [21:23:52] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/31CjT9Ve |
| [21:23:55] | darkdrgn2k: | dont see any errors... |
| [21:24:38] | ** wagnerrp feels like crap ** | |
| [21:24:48] | ** darkdrgn2k hands wagnerrp a cup of tea ** | |
| [21:25:34] | sphery: | I hope it's green tea... I heard on a commercial that it makes you healthy, happy, and wise |
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| [21:26:02] | darkdrgn2k: | naa this stuff is yello |
| [21:26:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | better off with earl grey. |
| [21:26:12] | sphery: | made from snow? |
| [21:26:32] | ** darkdrgn2k looks outside at all the snow ** | |
| [21:27:02] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: have you tried going into mythfrontend (main) general settings and rescannign for audio, and selecting one of the found devices |
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| [21:27:14] | sphery: | note, also, that it will leave you on whatever you had--even if it doesn't match a found device |
| [21:27:32] | sphery: | so you may want to go through, change it to some random other value, then go back through and change it to what you actually want |
| [21:27:48] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: the stuff worked at one point donno what happend |
| [21:28:00] | darkdrgn2k: | yestruday i tried the TEST.. and it worked then stopped. |
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| [21:29:45] | darkdrgn2k: | kk ill try that... |
| [21:30:03] | darkdrgn2k: | in the mean time anyone know how to blacklist my dam remote from registering as HID device |
| [21:30:05] | darkdrgn2k: | cd /dev |
| [21:30:06] | darkdrgn2k: | ls |
| [21:30:07] | darkdrgn2k: | dmesg |
| [21:30:09] | darkdrgn2k: | (doh!) |
| [21:30:19] | ** darkdrgn2k mad at ALT TAB ** | |
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| [21:31:23] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: thank you that seemed to have worked |
| [21:31:32] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: cool |
| [21:31:39] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: if lirc connects to it with the devinput driver, it blocks xorg from using it |
| [21:31:40] | sphery: | I can't say I understand it, but glad it worked :) |
| [21:31:58] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: well i get double presses on my arrows |
| [21:31:59] | clever: | and its nice enough to only do so when it has an lirc client |
| [21:32:08] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: if i stop lirc i get single presses.. |
| [21:32:19] | clever: | open both xev and irw |
| [21:32:32] | clever: | xev will show x11 events, while irw will show lirc events |
| [21:32:40] | clever: | is it one each, or double lirc? |
| [21:32:51] | Shadow__X: | sphery: thanks for the heads up |
| [21:34:35] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: booth x11 and irw respond to the arrow keypresses |
| [21:34:54] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/pVkst7rn |
| [21:35:18] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: and your already using devinput? |
| [21:35:39] | darkdrgn2k: | no idea what devinput is :-p |
| [21:36:28] | justinh: | Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| [21:36:35] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: using mceusb lirc driver if thats what you mean |
| [21:36:41] | clever: | /usr/sbin/lircd -P /var/run/lircd.pid -H devinput -d .... |
| [21:36:45] | justinh: | BBC iPlayer app is coming to Android. but not those which don't do Flash. |
| [21:36:57] | justinh: | darn BBC & their Adobe love |
| [21:37:09] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: the devinput driver connects to an HID device (keyboard/mouse) and turns it into an lirc source |
| [21:37:21] | darkdrgn2k: | /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [21:37:49] | clever: | thats something kernel side |
| [21:38:01] | clever: | so yeah, its completely diff from devinput |
| [21:38:16] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: using the stck init script from FEDORA |
| [21:38:25] | darkdrgn2k: | no additiona command line argumens |
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| [21:38:55] | darkdrgn2k: | and the usb is definatly hitting HID: |
| [21:38:55] | darkdrgn2k: | [ 6.429150] input: Media Center Ed. eHome Infrared Remote Transceiver (1784:0006) as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/usb4/4–1/4–1:1.0/rc/rc0/input5 |
| [21:38:59] | clever: | i think you can use some xorg.conf magic to force it to use a certain keyboard instead of all |
| [21:39:46] | justinh: | I'm beginning to despise the BBC |
| [21:40:03] | darkdrgn2k: | i was reading that there is a "quirks" paramater part of usbhid |
| [21:40:38] | clever: | parm: quirks:Add/modify USB HID quirks by specifying quirks=vendorID:productID:quirks where vendorID, productID, and quirks are all in 0x-prefixed hex (array of charp) |
| [21:40:56] | darkdrgn2k: | ok yeh wahts the last paramater |
| [21:40:58] | darkdrgn2k: | dont undersatnd it |
| [21:41:04] | clever: | vendor/product id are easy, quirks, no idea |
| [21:41:11] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh same with my problem |
| [21:42:08] | clever: | kernel-parameters.txt has an example |
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| [21:42:25] | MylesMan: | hey all |
| [21:42:42] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [21:42:50] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: seems to have the full table of values |
| [21:43:36] | clever: | quirks=0x...:0x...:i should ignore it |
| [21:43:49] | clever: | lsusb -n will show the vendor/product id |
| [21:44:03] | darkdrgn2k: | that part i have 0x1784:0x0006 |
| [21:44:06] | darkdrgn2k: | whats the past aparam |
| [21:44:27] | clever: | i = IGNORE_DEVICE (don't bind to this device); |
| [21:44:37] | clever: | Flags is a set of characters, each corresponding to a common usb-storage quirk flag as follows: |
| [21:45:24] | MylesMan: | i tried downloading a theme via the theme chooser and it gave me an error to the effect of error downloading theme files from master-backend could it be b/c i dont have the actual master backend package installed? |
| [21:45:30] | darkdrgn2k: | i thoguht that was for usb storage |
| [21:46:42] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: let me re-read the file |
| [21:46:44] | darkdrgn2k: | all the examples i seen for hid is a 0x number (0x004 it seems) |
| [21:47:20] | clever: | yeah, this example was under storage |
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| [21:48:13] | clever: | drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-quirks.c should give better answers |
| [21:48:19] | darkdrgn2k: | example is usbhid.quirks=0xeef:0x1:0x40 |
| [21:48:26] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm yeh never thoguht of looking in code |
| [21:49:31] | clever: | i'm in the middle of installing a new system, so i still have the full kernel source |
| [21:50:10] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm |
| [21:50:11] | darkdrgn2k: | #define HID_QUIRK_IGNORE 0x00000004 |
| [21:50:19] | darkdrgn2k: | line 309of hid.h |
| [21:50:50] | clever: | yeah, under include/linux |
| [21:51:19] | darkdrgn2k: | that part i have 0x1784:0x0006:0x00000004 ? |
| [21:51:28] | clever: | the extra 0s can probly go away |
| [21:51:39] | darkdrgn2k: | that part i have 0x1784:0x6:0x4 ? |
| [21:51:40] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh |
| [21:51:42] | clever: | 0x1784:0x0006:0x4 |
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| [21:51:50] | clever: | should work |
| [21:51:59] | clever: | just keep in mind, unloading usbhid will disable all hid devices |
| [21:52:10] | clever: | i unloaded it once, from a usb keyboard |
| [21:52:14] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: seems hid is compiled into kernel |
| [21:52:17] | clever: | then i couldnt reload it:P |
| [21:52:22] | darkdrgn2k: | so this has to be a boot-time kernel option |
| [21:52:25] | darkdrgn2k: | iirc |
| [21:52:29] | clever: | i saw mention of runtime changing of the option |
| [21:52:34] | clever: | in the hid-quirks.c file |
| [21:52:50] | clever: | or you can just add usbhid.quicks=.... to your kernel cmd line |
| [21:53:10] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh thats what im doing just ranr gurb-install |
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| [21:53:12] | ** darkdrgn2k corrses fingers ** | |
| [21:53:38] | clever: | usbhid_modify_dquirk: add/replace a HID quirk |
| [21:53:52] | clever: | grub-install shouldnt be needed |
| [21:53:58] | clever: | just edit the menu.lst |
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| [21:54:10] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm i always edit /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| [21:54:13] | clever: | it isnt lilo |
| [21:54:23] | clever: | yeah, the exact file name doesnt really matter either |
| [21:54:33] | clever: | grub-install hard-codes the path into the boot loader |
| [21:54:41] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh their linked |
| [21:54:45] | darkdrgn2k: | LOL i remember lilo |
| [21:54:49] | darkdrgn2k: | but it didnt look like it worked |
| [21:55:14] | clever: | usbhid_modify_dquirk looks like the function we want, i just dont see any way to run it |
| [21:55:38] | darkdrgn2k: | [ 0.000000] Command line: ro root=UUID=4c41b646-fb86–4de8–9bf8–27e36318e2a5 rd_NO_LUKS rd_NO_LVM rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYTABLE=us rhgb quiet rdblacklist=nouveau nouveau.modeset=0 usbhid.quirks=0x1784:0x6:0x4 |
| [21:56:10] | clever: | you can also read it from /proc/cmdline |
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| [21:57:27] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm |
| [21:57:27] | darkdrgn2k: | [ 4.387754] udev[449]: starting version 161 |
| [21:57:28] | darkdrgn2k: | [ 6.015290] IR NEC protocol handler initialized |
| [21:57:28] | darkdrgn2k: | [ 6.027459] Registered IR keymap rc-rc6-mce |
| [21:58:13] | clever: | sscanf(quirks_param[n], "0x%hx:0x%hx:0x%x", seems to be the key to how it parses the argument |
| [21:58:30] | darkdrgn2k: | im thinking MAYBE just maybe its not hid? |
| [21:58:50] | darkdrgn2k: | udev seems to pick up IR NEC protocol handler ? |
| [21:58:58] | clever: | it must be hid to function in x11 |
| [22:00:08] | clever: | not sure what else to try |
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| [22:01:41] | Thunder-: | Is it possible to configure mythtv entirely through mythweb (without mythsetup) ? |
| [22:02:08] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [22:02:45] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: nor do i :( |
| [22:02:54] | darkdrgn2k: | i could comment out the up and left right |
| [22:03:00] | darkdrgn2k: | but the stupid power button on the remote shuts the pc down |
| [22:03:03] | darkdrgn2k: | via hid |
| [22:03:07] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: you could try ignoring the mceusb driver and using devinput |
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| [22:03:32] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: most of the keys dont work |
| [22:03:35] | darkdrgn2k: | (or arnt mapped) |
| [22:03:41] | clever: | devinput would connect thru HID and force x to ignore it |
| [22:03:42] | darkdrgn2k: | not even numbers |
| [22:03:50] | clever: | ouch |
| [22:03:57] | clever: | most of my keys work, but do whacky things |
| [22:03:58] | darkdrgn2k: | just arrows and poewr |
| [22:04:03] | clever: | the close button sends alt+f4 |
| [22:04:11] | darkdrgn2k: | LOL |
| [22:04:26] | clever: | if i hit the abc button twice, it sends a, backspace, b |
| [22:04:40] | clever: | it works fine in notepad, but in myth, it would just wreak havoc |
| [22:05:16] | darkdrgn2k: | *sigh* |
| [22:05:19] | darkdrgn2k: | quirks should have workd |
| [22:05:47] | darkdrgn2k: | i got the numbesr right: |
| [22:05:47] | darkdrgn2k: | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 1784:0006 TopSeed Technology Corp. eHome Infrared Transceiver |
| [22:05:52] | darkdrgn2k: | usbhid.quirks=0x1784:0x6:0x4 |
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| [22:08:42] | darkdrgn2k: | ONLY the buttons wrork in hid mode |
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| [22:12:03] | justinh: | lol. the royal family have ruled out showing the royal wedding in 3D |
| [22:12:21] | clever: | :D |
| [22:14:58] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: any idea where i can find module options for mceusb ? |
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| [22:16:34] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: the SQL call is correct |
| [22:16:42] | wagnerrp: | there are two separate string replacements |
| [22:16:50] | wagnerrp: | one done by python, one done by the mysql bindings |
| [22:17:15] | wagnerrp: | the current code in trunk makes this much more clear |
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| [22:18:03] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I think the issue is that I had to replace the mysqldb library with a mysql library that is written entirely in python for cross system compatibility, I am trying to narrow it down if it is the mysql code or something else right now |
| [22:18:09] | ekristen: | but that makes sense what you just said |
| [22:18:20] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: modinfo mceusb |
| [22:18:39] | clever: | any module you have installed can give info like that |
| [22:18:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive seen that library, mythbox uses it for their stuff |
| [22:18:55] | darkdrgn2k: | o_O wow |
| [22:19:18] | darkdrgn2k: | to bad no options |
| [22:19:31] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: yeah I'm not sure |
| [22:19:39] | darkdrgn2k: | seems mceusb kernel module is responsible for the keybaord intpout to |
| [22:20:09] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: i only see debug on mceusb.c |
| [22:20:30] | darkdrgn2k: | taths what i see to |
| [22:20:31] | darkdrgn2k: | =( |
| [22:20:40] | clever: | 1.91 version |
| [22:20:56] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: if I fix the query in the code to take out the replace done by the mysql library and I get stuck on BackendServerPort, which I don't have in my db, but if I add it it still doesn't work and throughs the same error |
| [22:21:36] | darkdrgn2k: | is trhere ANY way to prevent shutdown from a keyboard button |
| [22:22:01] | noii: | mythtv has started hanging for me after I finish watching every recording on "Please Wait…" never gets back to the menu |
| [22:22:17] | noii: | has anyone seen this before? |
| [22:22:39] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: its either an x11 app like gnome doing it nicely for you, or /etc/inittab |
| [22:23:08] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: dont have gnome |
| [22:23:18] | darkdrgn2k: | using blackbo |
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| [22:23:54] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: check inittab first |
| [22:24:08] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: fedora usses /etc/init and cant find a halt command in there |
| [22:24:49] | clever: | might be something liek this |
| [22:24:50] | clever: | ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now |
| [22:25:09] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh all i got is crtaltdelete.. |
| [22:25:11] | darkdrgn2k: | nothign else |
| [22:25:19] | clever: | if thats not it, you can try disabling blackbo for a moment, alter your .xinitrc so it only runs xterm and nothing else |
| [22:25:28] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: thanks for all your help so far, I'll keep at it, hopefully I can resolve it |
| [22:26:20] | darkdrgn2k: | grrrr |
| [22:26:23] | darkdrgn2k: | xev didn tpick it up |
| [22:26:24] | darkdrgn2k: | Broadcast message from root@mythTV |
| [22:26:24] | darkdrgn2k: | (unknown) at 17:26 ... |
| [22:27:08] | clever: | next step would be to rename shutdown and put a bash script in its place |
| [22:27:18] | darkdrgn2k: | hmmmm |
| [22:27:22] | darkdrgn2k: | i guess i could do that lOl |
| [22:27:23] | clever: | something to log various things, like ps -eH x > /tmp/psehx |
| [22:27:39] | clever: | ps -eH x gives a tree, so you can see exactly what called 'shutdown' |
| [22:29:27] | darkdrgn2k: | dont see shtdown anywhere |
| [22:29:32] | clever: | type shutdown |
| [22:29:38] | clever: | run that exact command in a shell |
| [22:29:58] | darkdrgn2k: | [root@mythTV sbin]# cat /tmp/psehx | grep shut |
| [22:30:03] | darkdrgn2k: | doesnt return a thing |
| [22:30:17] | clever: | does the file even exist? |
| [22:30:23] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh |
| [22:30:30] | clever: | pastebin it |
| [22:30:31] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm |
| [22:31:07] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/UXtcZKXB |
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| [22:32:00] | clever: | darkdrgn2k: was that actualy inside a bash script called shutdown? |
| [22:32:06] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh |
| [22:32:11] | darkdrgn2k: | i foudn where it should be its BASH - |
| [22:32:17] | darkdrgn2k: | so missing command line arguments |
| [22:32:37] | clever: | the log shows that you ran shutdown right from under ssh |
| [22:32:50] | clever: | not from hitting a power button on the remote |
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| [22:32:59] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh i ran that from bash |
| [22:33:10] | darkdrgn2k: | 1 sec |
| [22:33:11] | clever: | need to put it into a shutdown bash script, and then hit the button |
| [22:33:14] | clever: | to see what calls shutdown |
| [22:33:53] | darkdrgn2k: | .say /usr/sbin/acpid |
| [22:34:06] | darkdrgn2k: | 1442 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/acpid |
| [22:34:06] | darkdrgn2k: | 2245 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/acpi/actions/power.sh |
| [22:34:06] | darkdrgn2k: | 2249 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/acpi/actions/power.sh |
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| [22:34:26] | clever: | ah, so just edit power.sh |
| [22:34:32] | darkdrgn2k: | or event |
| [22:35:00] | darkdrgn2k: | yay |
| [22:35:02] | clever: | or /etc/acpi/events/something |
| [22:35:10] | clever: | there should be a rule in events/ saying to run power.sh |
| [22:35:26] | clever: | then you just undo renaming shutdown so it can actualy work |
| [22:36:03] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh got that :) |
| [22:36:09] | darkdrgn2k: | ok well at least thats done |
| [22:36:18] | darkdrgn2k: | ill just remove the arrows from myth and call it defeat |
| [22:36:21] | darkdrgn2k: | i mean lricrc |
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| [22:40:12] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: if you want, check out what ive done in 0.25 |
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| [22:40:23] | wagnerrp: | it now supports two separate mysql libraries |
| [22:40:30] | wagnerrp: | and you should be able to add a third similarly |
| [22:40:39] | wagnerrp: | if neither of those work for you |
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| [22:43:36] | Newbuntu81: | I've made some progress since yesterday, I believe resolving the usb_buffer_alloc and usb_buffer_free errors. Has anyone with an HVR 2250 run into issues with dvb_net.c when compiling? All helpful eyes are appreciated. Details at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10440736#post10440736, post #74 (pg 8). Thanks! |
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| [23:02:49] | Valen: | for a while now I've been noticing a weird thing, when myth is playing if I switch desktop I can still see whatever is playing "showing through" black areas on the other desktops |
| [23:03:11] | kormoc: | Turn off Desktop Effects |
| [23:03:14] | Valen: | googling myth and black is prone to finding lots of other things lol |
| [23:03:24] | Valen: | kormoc: figured it'd be something like that |
| [23:03:49] | Valen: | I wasn't aware they were turned on, mythbuntu uses xfce |
| [23:04:16] | kormoc: | XFCE still uses the composite extensions for transparency and similar effects |
| [23:04:16] | Valen: | I presume Option "Composite" "Disable" into Xorg might do it in a non GUI way? |
| [23:04:23] | kormoc: | Aye, that should |
| [23:04:41] | Valen: | will that affect other things much? |
| [23:05:01] | kormoc: | Shouldn't |
| [23:05:03] | Valen: | my mythbox is atom based, offloading as much as possible is a good thing lol |
| [23:06:20] | Valen: | hmm interesting, its already off it seems |
| [23:06:54] | kormoc: | Do you have a transparency color defined in your xorg conf? |
| [23:07:44] | Valen: | nothing that leaps out as saying transparency color |
| [23:08:02] | StevenR: | hrrm. Where is the backend port configured? It appears to be set to 6543, but the mythtv-backend process is listening on 6549 |
| [23:08:13] | StevenR: | I can't see any setting where this is configured. |
| [23:08:24] | kormoc: | StevenR, we have a range of ports we use |
| [23:08:31] | kormoc: | 6543 to 6549 |
| [23:08:35] | Valen: | http://pastebin.com/eg5Mvpvf is xorg.conf |
| [23:09:14] | StevenR: | kormoc: yes. but I can't set the frontends to use 6549 |
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| [23:09:20] | StevenR: | they just complain |
| [23:09:42] | kormoc: | Valen, AddARGBGLXVisuals and AddARGBVisuals should be off as well I believe |
| [23:10:10] | kormoc: | StevenR, likely because that's not the right port for the frontends to use |
| [23:10:40] | StevenR: | kormoc: what do you mean? |
| [23:11:01] | StevenR: | kormoc: the only port listening is 6549.... but I can't configure the frontends to use that. |
| [23:11:23] | kormoc: | StevenR, it should be listening to 6543, 6544 and 6549 |
| [23:11:25] | Valen: | kormoc: that go into screen? |
| [23:11:39] | Valen: | seems to be some debate lol |
| [23:11:48] | StevenR: | kormoc: nope |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | Valen, you have them in your device section, just toggle them false there |
| [23:12:04] | kormoc: | StevenR, well, that's the problem |
| [23:12:12] | Valen: | kormoc: duh, thanks ;-> |
| [23:12:13] | StevenR: | kormoc: just 6549, netstat -nltup only shows that for mythbackend |
| [23:12:26] | StevenR: | kormoc: well yes, but how do I fix that? |
| [23:12:58] | kormoc: | StevenR, pastebin the backend logs |
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| [23:16:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, what kind of general purpose cpu performance would you expect of the new TI OMAP 5 (with dual-core ARM Coretex A15) |
| [23:17:50] | StevenR: | kormoc: it's failing to connect to the db, claims to be using /home/mythtv/.mythtv ... should the mysql password be in plaintext in mysql.txt and config.xml ? |
| [23:18:20] | sphery: | StevenR: yes |
| [23:18:31] | sphery: | thanks for reminding me to fix it to use config.xml properly |
| [23:20:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | I wouldn't do any commflagging on the TI OMAP 5. |
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| [23:21:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:22:02] | sphery: | just wondering where it might stack in with the other low-power-usage chips |
| [23:22:11] | sphery: | definitely not right for mythtv, yet |
| [23:22:40] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [23:23:04] | StevenR: | now I'm getting this from a remote frontend 2011-02–08 23:22:24.487 Protocol version mismatch (frontend=56,backend=23056) |
| [23:23:05] | kormoc: | so the atom in the chrome notebook doesn't have a discrete gpu. It's built into the cpu. |
| [23:23:34] | sphery: | like dual-die single package thing? |
| [23:23:55] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [23:24:16] | sphery: | intel graphics, then, I'd assume? |
| [23:24:19] | kormoc: | GMA 3150, no hardware video decoding at all |
| [23:24:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:24:42] | sphery: | who needs video decoding on the client, anyway |
| [23:24:50] | sphery: | we'll just do it in the cloud--like the MS commercial |
| [23:24:54] | sphery: | "To the cloud!" |
| [23:25:25] | sphery: | (FWIW, there's actually a gaming company that's doing that--rendering on the server and pumping the video back to the client.) |
| [23:25:30] | kormoc: | I'm really amused. It's a 13W power draw, steady. |
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| [23:25:35] | Valen: | because lets face it, youtube doesn't exist |
| [23:25:38] | Shadow__X: | by anychance has the spinning beachball issue been fixed on os X .24 fixes? |
| [23:25:49] | Valen: | stupid windows ads |
| [23:25:53] | ** kormoc blinks at Shadow__X ** | |
| [23:26:09] | sphery: | Shadow__X: I hear if you change your wait icon to something else, like a peeling banana, you won't see the spinning beachball |
| [23:27:07] | kormoc: | ha! no hardware accelerated vertex shaders or pixel shaders, all software done |
| [23:27:10] | sphery: | OnLive being the gaming company: http://www.onlive.com/ |
| [23:27:39] | sphery: | http://www.onlive.com/service/cloudgaming |
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| [23:27:43] | Shadow__X: | there have been a few people that have the same issue that i have on os x .24 fixes. You can navigate through the menus fine but when you go to play a video your mouse turns into the spinning beach ball and when/if keyboard input is read it is over 15 secounds later, sometimes over a minute |
| [23:27:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | hey kormoc, any thoughts on how to get Snow Leopard to stop disabling the second core on my nv mini? |
| [23:28:10] | sphery: | Shadow__X: someone said it may be because the scheduler is running and the UI gets blocked |
| [23:28:22] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, not offhand. never ran into that issue |
| [23:28:46] | sphery: | sounds like it may be a thermal protection thing? |
| [23:28:56] | sphery: | are you sure the HS/Fan is working properly? |
| [23:29:17] | Shadow__X: | sphery: is there something I can do? |
| [23:29:42] | Shadow__X: | JEDIDIAH__: how hot does it get before the cpu gets disabled |
| [23:29:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | fan's on full blast and the reported temp is fine. |
| [23:29:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | it starts up like that. |
| [23:30:17] | Shadow__X: | have you reset the smc perhaps? |
| [23:30:47] | Shadow__X: | or pram. It certaintly couldn't hurt |
| [23:31:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | ok. I will try that. |
| [23:31:27] | kormoc: | check for a firmware update? |
| [23:31:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | it was running hot before, but in installed a fan controller to cool it down. |
| [23:32:16] | sphery: | Shadow__X: DELETE FROM program WHERE starttime > DATE_ADD(CURDATE(), INTERVAL 1 DAY) or starttime < DATE_ADD(CURDATE(), INTERVAL -1 DAY); |
| [23:32:24] | sphery: | then try it, and see if it's much shorter time |
| [23:32:40] | sphery: | in theory the reschedule will be much faster with much less program data |
| [23:33:41] | Shadow__X: | so the scheduler could be a problem only on os x and only on the newer .24 fixes builds? |
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| [23:36:02] | sphery: | Shadow__X: you tell me... try deleting most of your listings, as above, and see if the symptom changes :) |
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| [23:36:21] | sphery: | but, yes, it's possible that differences in threading may cause different effects |
| [23:37:45] | Shadow__X: | would that be deleting my listings data from SD? |
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| [23:38:50] | sphery: | yep |
| [23:39:16] | sphery: | which is what mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all is for... just test, then report results, then refill listings |
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| [23:40:05] | Shadow__X: | ok i have no problem testing things i just want to make sure what they do |
| [23:40:09] | sphery: | at least deleting the newer than today ones is useful: DELETE FROM program WHERE starttime > DATE_ADD(CURDATE(), INTERVAL 1 DAY); |
| [23:40:17] | sphery: | might be enough to show a difference |
| [23:43:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was under the impression that ARM was more efficient per clock than an Atom for integer ops |
| [23:44:07] | wagnerrp: | but woefully inadequate for anything floating point |
| [23:45:07] | StevenR: | woo. I have streamed "live" tv over the wlan :D |
| [23:45:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, interesting |
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| [23:49:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: looks like they're at least addressing FP performance: http://eda360insider.wordpress.com/2010/11/10 . . . uperstar-ip/ -> "As you can see, general-purpose performance [of the A-15] is nearly double [that of the A8] and floating-point performance is nearly 7x. (The presenter admitted that the Cortex-A8's FPU was relatively slow.)" |
| [23:50:18] | sphery: | still don't know how 7x A8 compares to Atom or similar |
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| [23:50:45] | wagnerrp: | woefully inadequate... :) |
| [23:50:49] | sphery: | wonder if that was with or without the NEON |
| [23:51:31] | Newbuntu81: | Does anyone know how to pull a few specific files from a .tar.bz2 file and copy them into a specific folder? |
| [23:51:48] | sphery: | Cortex-A15 NEON Media Processing Engine (MPE): The Cortex-A15 MPE provides an engine that offers both the performance and functionality of the Cortex-A15 Floating-Point Unit plus an implementation of the NEON Advanced SIMD instruction set for further acceleration of media and signal processing functions. The MPE extends the Cortex-A15 processor's floating-point unit (FPU) to provide a quad-MAC and additional 64-bit and 128-bit register ... |
| [23:51:54] | sphery: | ... set supporting a rich set of SIMD operations over 8, 16 and 32-bit integer and 32-bit Floating-Point data quantities every cycle. |
| [23:51:57] | sphery: | http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a15.php on spec's tab |
| [23:52:06] | Newbuntu81: | in the folder named "/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.35", is the zipped file named "linux-source-2.6.35.tar.bz2". I need to pull out all *.h and *.c files from this directory inside the .tar.gz2 folder named "/linux-source-2.6.35/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core/". Can you do it all in one step or do you have to untar everything, then copy it? I just want those 19 files. |
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| [23:53:17] | sphery: | you could easily untar just the desired directory, see man tar for details |
| [23:53:24] | Newbuntu81: | thanks |
| [23:54:05] | sphery: | you could get even fancier and use tar tf to get a table of contents, then filter out all that you don't want and use that in a pipe to a tar xf to get just what you want, but I'd say that's not worth the effort |
| [23:54:38] | sphery: | the hard part is finding what pathname to use... it's likely either linux-source-2.6.35/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core or drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core , but you can find out using tar tf |
| [23:54:46] | Newbuntu81: | lol. ok. I'm still new...but i'm following...somehow LOL |
| [23:54:58] | Newbuntu81: | man tar it is :-) |
| [23:55:33] | sphery: | basically, just add the path you want to extract after the tar xf |
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