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Monday, February 7th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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darkdrgn2k:

ok im trying ot quirks out the mcusb

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darkdrgn2k:

usbhid.quirks=0x1784:0x0006:0x4 <- what does the 0x4 part mean

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kormoc:

no idea

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darkdrgn2k:

ok lesson # 1... SYNC YOUR CLOCK lmao

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darkdrgn2k:

thats why i couldnt change channels

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darkdrgn2k:

lesson #2 Monstercables arent THAT GREAT

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darkdrgn2k:

replace the monseter component cable with other component cable hdpvr works agin

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darkdrgn2k:

:(

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darkdrgn2k:

wont let me do it

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darkdrgn2k:

update channel set visible=0 where channum in (select visible from channel where visible=0);

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[R]:

if the hdpvr started working when you changed the calbes, tehy probaly just wern'et plugged in all the way

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[R]:

darkdrgn2k: what s iteh point of that statement?

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darkdrgn2k:

spent hours removing junk programming from visible list

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darkdrgn2k:

now i want to create another lineup containing only non-hd channels for the sd ird

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darkdrgn2k:

wish there was an api i can use to remove channels from sd without having to click on each one.

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wagnerrp:

i dont see how that would be any faster than unchecking channels

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: i have 608 channels hidden at the moment.. most of them in sequence blocks

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wagnerrp:

and they should be grouped off on the SD page by type

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wagnerrp:

uncheck the whole box

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wagnerrp:

s/box/group/

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darkdrgn2k:

its just easy in sql (i know i know) to do channum>x and channum<y

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darkdrgn2k:

and why (for the love of god) do these tv providers doulbe up on channels

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darkdrgn2k:

| 3197 | 1197 | APTNHD | Aboriginal Peoples Television Network HD | | 2 |

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darkdrgn2k:

| 2808 | 808 | APTNHD | Aboriginal Peoples Television Network HD | | 2 |

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darkdrgn2k:

Exact same channel in HD on 2 differnt cannums..

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wagnerrp:

this is in north america?

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darkdrgn2k:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

Express Vu

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darkdrgn2k:

seems liek their HD channels are around the 800s and then duplicated again in the 1200

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darkdrgn2k:

grrr

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darkdrgn2k:

althought myth will tune to hidden channels

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darkdrgn2k:

will it record on them to ir are teh expempt from recordings

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nutron-home:

shaw :(

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Valen:

having some difficulty with a tuner that seems a bit flaky, is there anything "off the shelf" that will do something if it notices a recording is failing?

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Valen:

run script, send email something?

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[R]:

nope

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[R]:

get better hardware

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sphery:

Valen: not off-the-shellf, but you could use a MythTV System Event ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events ) that hits on Recording started, then watch for the file to appear and verify the size grows over time as expected

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sphery:

There's also a bit of a hack at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6899

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sphery:

might be useful, though

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sphery:

but, yeah, [R]'s suggestion is best--reliable hardware makes for reliable MythTV

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sphery:

(though I'll admit that identifing which recordings fail is one step toward figuring out exactly what is wrong... hardware failure, signal issues, ...)

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kormoc:

Valen, I use http://stuff.kormoc.com/alertFailedRecordings.sh

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Valen:

[R] yes, because "better" hardware never ever fails

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[R]:

you admitted to having crappy hardware

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[R]:

so i said get better hardware

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kormoc:

Valen, I cron that every hour

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Valen:

my god your clever

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[R]:

kormoc: "recording failing on jessica" sounds dirty

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sphery:

though if it's an issue of the hardare providing no data (and no errors), then there won't be an error message in the log

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kormoc:

[R], it was dirtier when Christina had the two... big... powerful... hot... cpus...

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[R]:

kormoc: HAHA

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sphery:

but could also have a filter (swatch or similar) that watches the log file and reacts to a recorder failed message there

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[R]:

kormoc: POWERFUL!?

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Valen:

its a quite a reputable tuner, has worked fine for years, we had a heat wave the past week and it looks like something might be hinkey

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sphery:

http://swatch.sourceforge.net/

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kormoc:

[R], anyone who things otherwise is just not admitting reality

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sphery:

+ https://sourceforge.net/projects/swatch/

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Valen:

at the first sign of a problem my reaction is to try and find if it *is* in fact a problem

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kormoc:

I feel dirty. I have two Atoms in the house now

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** Valen has dual core atom for myth **

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Valen:

works well

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kormoc:

until you get something that vdpau won't work with

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Valen:

I only really watch FTA tv and DVD's on it

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Valen:

haven't had a problem yet

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kormoc:

you can't do the auto detect aspect ratio with HD.. plenty of things that it prevents ya from doing (it being the lack of cpu power)

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kormoc:

and amusingly enough, my gtv draws more power then my mac mini

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Valen:

still, its mainly used for watching free to air mpeg 2 streams

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Valen:

its all widescreen

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff. You have a simple enough usage model that it works for :)

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kormoc:

most folks don't

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Valen:

's all part of the plan

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Valen:

works ok for the occasional "catchup" ep that gets downloaded

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Valen:

they are all x264 or similar these days it seems

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Valen:

played 1080p blueray well too ;-> that was nice 5% cpu usage lol

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Valen:

sphery: thanks very much for helping

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Valen:

kormoc: I'll check the logs and see if that failed recording will actually show up

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sphery:

good luck

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kormoc:

Valen, that script is using the sql log feature, it's pretty handy

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Valen:

yeah, I'm noticing that ;->

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Valen:

mmm probably not going to work, just grepping the logs for failed only turned up cases where it failed to open the device

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Valen:

because it wasn't plugged in or had V4L/kernel version mismatches

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Valen:

I'm thinking spherys method might be more suitable

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Valen:

more "general purpose" perhaps

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Valen:

it'll find all the causes of failures

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Valen:

yay, another project

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wagnerrp:

Valen: discussion of your 'downloaded catchup' episodes is against channel rules in here

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Valen:

well it wont "find the cause" but it will notice them happneing

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Valen:

wagnerrp: downloading shows from the tv stations is against the rules?

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wagnerrp:

no station i know of allows you to

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Valen:

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/

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wagnerrp:

if there is one, a mythnetvision grabber would be great

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Valen:

which reminds me, it looks like i missed castle

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Valen:

damn

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Valen:

http://www.abc.net.au/iview/

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wagnerrp:

ok... so not downloaded

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wagnerrp:

streamed through flash

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Valen:

you can download those

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Valen:

they don't seem to have any mechanisms to restrict that so using wget Vs their flash player shouldn't pose a problem

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wagnerrp:

theyre actually using a basic http download for those?

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Valen:

most of em

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wagnerrp:

i thought all of those sites had switched to RTMPe, or microsoft's equivalent if theyre using silverlight

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Valen:

the hard part is working out the file name

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Valen:

one of the broadcasters here has

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sphery:

heh, had a preview pixmap for The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle that was all black, so I went to the point in the show where it wsa taken and it /is/ a valid frame in the show--it was after they showed the sun set and "Things were beginning to look mighty dark for our intrepid heroes."

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Valen:

funny the preview images you get sometimes

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wagnerrp:

even better when they 'game' the preview generator

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wagnerrp:

and insert a single frame at just the right place to get picked up by it

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Valen:

wagnerrp: I only notice that on sites that are probably also against the # rules ;-P

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wagnerrp:

it was a favorite of rick-rollers on youtube

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Valen:

might have to try that

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wagnerrp:

show something completely benign, with an unrelated title and... wait... no... its rick astley

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Valen:

or have they wized up to it

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Valen:

frame grabs have some random to them now?

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wagnerrp:

dont know if its still a problem now

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Valen:

rick astley is always a problem

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Valen:

;->

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sphery:

and all black one on Woodsmith Shop was where they cut between video of the host and the computer screen on which he was using a little shop design program

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sphery:

but that was a /very/ short segment of all black (about 1/2s each time they switch)--so just a very bad placement

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Valen:

I often feel like watching just the bit around the frame grab, usually it seems to be great at getting a shot of the model looking host of some "lifestyle" program getting out of the pool in the show before whatever is sposed to be reccorded

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Newbuntu81:

Is anyone using MythBuntu 10.10 and having problems with LiveTV showing "please wait" and it logging them out?

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[R]:

sounds like something is crashing

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[R]:

what does the log say

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wagnerrp:

livetv failures are almost always a problem in the backend

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wagnerrp:

so that would be backend logs

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Newbuntu81:

I'm fairly new to it. How do I show the log? I know how to show the pci devices (lspci) and the dgrep msg.

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wagnerrp:

/var/log/mythtv/

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Newbuntu81:

ok so you want the mythbackend.log?

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wagnerrp:

if you dont understand any of it

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Newbuntu81:

the very last line is interesting

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Newbuntu81:

sounds like it can't find a file to play it

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Newbuntu81:

2011-02–06 21:17:03.717 ProgramInfo(2431_20110131230000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '2431_20110131230000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found

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Newbuntu81:

I was reading through various web blogs and it sounds like the 10.10 version caused a lot of people problems with mythtv. I never saw that anyone had it fixed.

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Newbuntu81:

So I was curious if I should install 10.04 or 9.10 instead. I'm new to this.

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Newbuntu81:

I got my HVR 2250 to work with ATSC (digital over the air). Never could get it to play live tv.

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[R]:

the version of the dist you install has absolutely nothign to do with myth

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Newbuntu81:

I've since started researching how to make it work with standard cable...HVR 2250 dual tuners.

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sphery:

Newbuntu81: if you're trying to use Live TV and you have 0.24, make sure you have the newest-possible 0.24-fixes... there were many fixes for issues with Live TV in ht elast 2 weeks

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sphery:

Newbuntu81: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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sphery:

(assuming you're using *buntu)

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Newbuntu81:

Thanks sphery. I did an update, all new updates installed.

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Newbuntu81:

I'm running kernel 2.6.35–25 and myth 0.24. How would I check to see my "subversion" of myth 0.24?

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sphery:

mythbackend --version

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sphery:

and make sure everything is restarted properly after the update

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sphery:

(reboot doesn't hurt to make sure it is)

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Newbuntu81:

MythTV Version : 26437

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Newbuntu81:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-23-fixes

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Newbuntu81:

Network Protocol : 23056

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Newbuntu81:

Library API : 0.23.1.201000710–1

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Newbuntu81:

QT Version : 4.7.0

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sphery:

that's an old one

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sphery:

but it's 0.23-fixes, so it's not too bad

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Newbuntu81:

hahaha.

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sphery:

0.24 had some issues until just recently

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sphery:

(issues with Live TV, that is)

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Newbuntu81:

should i do an apt-get for mythtv?

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sphery:

either 0.23-fixes or 0.24-fixes should work OK

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sphery:

so it's up to you if you want to try switching to 0.24-fixes

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Newbuntu81:

by 0.24 "fixes", you mean a patch for what i have already?

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Newbuntu81:

or do you mean it's up to me if i want to try the newer 0.24, or roll back to 0.23?

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sphery:

fixes is the stable branch where we backport bug fixes

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sphery:

it's what the mythbuntu repositories track

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Newbuntu81:

ok

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sphery:

is this 10.10?

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sphery:

or 10.04?

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Newbuntu81:

yea

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Newbuntu81:

10.10 with updates

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Newbuntu81:

i ran the update manager and installed all patches it showed as available

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sphery:

I would say enable the mythbuntu auto-builds for 0.23-fixes (or 0.24-fixes) and update

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sphery:

that looks, actually, like the version that shipped with Ubuntu 10.10

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sphery:

and we've have a couple hundred bug fixes in 0.23-fixes since then

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Newbuntu81:

weird. i updated then rebooted

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sphery:

(or you can switch to 0.24-fixes and get it plus a bunch of fixes)

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Newbuntu81:

ok. how do i get the fixes?

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sphery:

I think you haven't enabled the auto-builds repository

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Newbuntu81:

probably not

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sphery:

so when you update, you're not getting updated mythtv

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Newbuntu81:

ah...

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Newbuntu81:

how do i enable it?

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sphery:

follow instructions at http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds and do not choose unstable/development/trunk/master/whatever they call it, now

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Valen:

sphery: if a file watcher was made (IE thing that checked a recording was actually working) and took some action on it failing, could that be included perhaps in contrib or some such?

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Newbuntu81:

ok

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sphery:

should be 0.23 or 0.24

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sphery:

Valen: Contrib has basically been moved to the wiki. It would be a /very/ good script to put on the wiki. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts (where, to get it on those pages, you would just add a category at the bottom, like: [[Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts]]

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Valen:

mmm interesting

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sphery:

you can see any of the existing script pages for the template (you'll also want to use a Code box and Script info to allow the mythwikiscripts program to automatically download the script

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Valen:

I'll look into it in some more detail if the tuner still seems to be having difficulties

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Valen:

only other "improvement" to myth that I feel strongly about is using innodb tables rather than myisam

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Valen:

but even though its free and gets you a stable database it'll never happen

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Newbuntu81:

Hi All. I'm trying to set MythTV to auto update. I'm following instructions on http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds. I installed the update, then reran Update Manager--there was nothing new. Am I doing something wrong?

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[R]:

mythbuntu != mythtv

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Valen:

Newbuntu81: you might have better luck in #mythbuntu

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Newbuntu81:

Thanks Valen.

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Newbuntu81:

I will try that channel.

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MylesMan:

hi all 2 questions 1. how can i save the output of irw to a txt and 2. my backend is startingb4 my usb tuner is there a script i can use at login to kill and relaunch me backend?

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wagnerrp:

'irw > some_file'

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MylesMan:

irw >> or just > cuz >> didnt work

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wagnerrp:

'>' means write to new file

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wagnerrp:

'>>' means append to end of existing file

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MylesMan:

i tried adding sudo killall mythbackend and mythbackend & to my fluxbox startup and no dice

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[R]:

foul

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[R]:

stupid nickelodeaon "hd"

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MylesMan:

no dice on irw

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Valen:

MylesMan: is it an upstart job on your machine?

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Valen:

is myth upstart now?

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MylesMan:

i'm not sure i'll check

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kormoc:

the mythbuntu team has a upstart script I blieve

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kormoc:

*believe

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kisak:

<offtopic> thus ends the superbowl </offtopic>

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Startup_Scripts

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MylesMan:

yeah they do

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MylesMan:

if it is upstart what do i do

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MylesMan:

i dont have a mouse atm

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Valen:

if its upstart you should be able to make it depend on something coming up

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Valen:

so it'll wait till the tuner is up

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Valen:

the exact mechanics of that are above my pay grade

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Valen:

kisak: any wardrobe malfunctions?

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kisak:

Valen: no

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Valen:

:-<

[03:16:07]

Valen:

most exciting part of American football ;-P

[03:17:46]

wagnerrp:

at least its better than non-american football... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvUIbqKyppY

[03:17:58]

JEDIDIAH__:

I have a keepalive script that kind of completely bypasses the whole init/upstart thing

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MylesMan:

jedidiah can u email me it

[03:22:09]

MylesMan:

?

[03:23:16]

MylesMan:

does it ensure that my tuner will be initialized

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kormoc:

MylesMan, or you could talk to the mythbuntu folks and get a proper fix rather then doing some weird workaround

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MylesMan:

yeah i'll just do that lol

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MylesMan:

*face-palm self*

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MylesMan:

ttyl

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darkdrgn2k:

is there a way to tell myth to prefer HD over SD recordings?

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, yes, there's an option to add a weight for HD shows

[03:28:05]

darkdrgn2k:

any idea where the option is

[03:28:08]

kormoc:

no

[03:31:18]

darkdrgn2k:

"Settings->Recording Priorities->Set Recording Prioritie"

[03:31:21]

darkdrgn2k:

wher would that be

[03:31:49]

kormoc:

exactly where you said?

[03:33:32]

darkdrgn2k:

yes

[03:33:35]

darkdrgn2k:

but settings WHERE

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wagnerrp:

in the UI?

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darkdrgn2k:

duuu

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darkdrgn2k:

tv settings LOL

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Valen:

suprised the answer to mylesmans problem wasnt "get a better tuner"

[03:41:29]

Valen:

;-P

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kormoc:

broken hardware is broken hardware

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Valen:

yes, but I'd rather find out its broken before loosing 4 days of shows

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wagnerrp:

we only outright say 'get a better tuner' to people with framegrabbers

[03:57:39]

kormoc:

Valen, I still fail to see how his drive taking awhile to load on boot is equivalent to a tuner that stops working randomly

[03:58:38]

Valen:

the myth community seems to be intollerant of any failure of hardware assuming that hardware can be arbitrarily perfect

[03:59:22]

Valen:

when high reliability people know that hardware failures happen and should be handled gracefully

[03:59:30]

** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

erm

[03:59:39]

kormoc:

so what should we do?

[04:00:04]

kormoc:

we ask the driver to send us data. The options are it sends us data, it doesn't send us data, or it sends us a error code

[04:00:06]

wagnerrp:

spend several thousand lines reworking the scheduler to handle a failed tune and fall over to the next available

[04:00:28]

Valen:

when somebody suggests using innodb in place of myisam as a power failure wont cause crashed tables don't respond with "get better power" perhaps?

[04:01:13]

Valen:

kormoc: I have had issues in the past where bad data from the tuner would crash the back end, still happens to my mother, she lives in a poor signal area

[04:01:20]

kormoc:

Valen, erm... you're taking this really personally... I'm sorry if your hardware failure and upstream driver failures have hurt your ego. Is there anything we can do to help you get over it sooner?

[04:01:30]

wagnerrp:

Valen: the simple fact is that we cannot do any automatic database correction unless we can guarantee that nothing else is simultaneously accessing the database, and will not access the database until were done

[04:01:34]

kormoc:

Valen, and we should get sample clips so we can reproduce and fix it then

[04:01:54]

wagnerrp:

the only way to do that is to switch to an embedded database, which is a future possibility that at least one dev is investigating

[04:02:50]

Valen:

kormoc: I've been using myth for many years now, this paticular tuner issue isn't the first problem I've had, and I agree if the tuner is failing, it needs to be fixed, but acknowledging that tuners do fail and having some method of alerting people about it doesn't seem outrageous

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kormoc:

Valen, if it's asking for data and getting nothing, we *don't* know it's the hardware. It could be a lot of things

[04:03:52]

Valen:

kormoc: thats true, and a decent action is to inform the user

[04:03:57]

Valen:

like RAID hard drives

[04:03:58]

kormoc:

Valen, patches welcome!

[04:04:18]

Valen:

wagnerrp: if you use innodb rather than myisam its fully ACID compliant, the odds of getting a corruption due to power failure or other similar issues are minimal

[04:04:19]

kormoc:

Valen, we have no notification system at all, someone who wants one will have to write it, perhaps that person is you

[04:04:24]

Valen:

thats why the big boys use it ;->

[04:04:40]

wagnerrp:

Valen: there is a 'system event' mechanism in mythtv, that allows you to run scripts at the beginning or end of various actions

[04:04:43]

kormoc:

Valen, not entirely true. There are plenty of 'tweaks' folks do that remove those protections

[04:04:44]

Valen:

kormoc: I gave up trying to help much when I got yelled at for suggesting the change to innodb

[04:04:52]

wagnerrp:

you can set up a pretty basic script to trigger at 'recording finished'

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kormoc:

Valen, erm... you didn't get yelled at for that

[04:05:09]

Valen:

I did when I suggested it a few years ago

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wagnerrp:

that checks to make sure the recording is there, and checks to make sure the file is of a reasonable size

[04:05:27]

kormoc:

Valen, well, who ever yelled at you was likely not a member of the development team

[04:05:32]

kormoc:

Valen, we have some... special users

[04:05:38]

Valen:

I had 3 failures in 4 months on 3 different myth boxes all recordedseek table crashes

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Valen:

power fail during recording seems to have a good chance of causing that

[04:05:54]

wagnerrp:

but there is no trivial way to actually tell if the recording is the proper recording, and not some other channel, or static

[04:06:10]

Valen:

wagnerrp: thats all true, but a best effort can be done

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kormoc:

Valen, we've had innodb tables in myth for over a year now

[04:06:40]

wagnerrp:

mythweather has been innodb for as long as i can recall

[04:06:59]

Valen:

thats interesting, a guy had recordedseek fail a few days ago after a power fail

[04:07:13]

Valen:

it was still isam as i recall,

[04:07:23]

Valen:

running mythbuntu 10.04

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kormoc:

Valen, we don't default to innodb (or myisam)

[04:07:30]

wagnerrp:

default for most tables is myisam still, yes

[04:07:51]

wagnerrp:

oh, its just system default?

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kormoc:

Valen, but that doesn't mean folks like me won't fix issues if they come up (and I've been running innodb entirely for months)

[04:07:55]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

[04:08:07]

Valen:

my suggestion was to change the default as it seems to have no issues and only benifits

[04:08:39]

kormoc:

Valen, given how many bug reports we get due to folks not having innodb as a engine (in regards to mythweather), sadly it is a issue for folks.

[04:10:01]

Valen:

see thats a fairly reasonable reason for debate, not, thats stupid, innodb is so heavy, isam works perfectly

[04:10:14]

kormoc:

Valen, no developer should have said that

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kormoc:

Valen, and it's myisam, isam is a long dead engine

[04:10:32]

Valen:

but if you are getting more innodb tables it might do to make it depend on innodb

[04:10:47]

kormoc:

only in mythweather right now, which is purely optional

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Valen:

sounded like there were more

[04:11:25]

kormoc:

mysql has switched to innodb being the default engine and so as the world turns, more and more folks will be using innodb

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kormoc:

Valen, one reason to not default with innodb is innodb performs horribly unless it's tuned properly

[04:12:05]

Valen:

kormoc: seems to work fine out of the box on my mums old P4

[04:12:17]

wagnerrp:

which goes right back to the embedded database, which would give us the control needed to make sure everything is set up properly

[04:12:19]

Valen:

nothing special done for that

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kormoc:

Valen, you're just lucky that the data fits in the buffer pool your distro defaulted to installing

[04:12:38]

Valen:

I'm not too keen on embeded DB, your thinking SQLlite?

[04:12:44]

kormoc:

Valen, no, embedded mysql

[04:13:03]

Valen:

can you still connect to that externally?

[04:13:07]

kormoc:

yes

[04:13:13]

kormoc:

(with a little work)

[04:13:22]

wagnerrp:

well.. that bit of it is still up to debate

[04:13:25]

Valen:

define "a little work" lol

[04:13:34]

wagnerrp:

some devs want access, some want it restricted

[04:13:50]

kormoc:

we'd have to listen to a socket and pass the data though, it still speaks mysql, it's up to us if we want to expose it or not

[04:15:10]

Valen:

I'd prefer access being available myself, I've used it a few times to fix things

[04:15:45]

wagnerrp:

the argument against is that the backend should intelligently fix what it can, and provide access over mythprotocol for everything else

[04:15:56]

wagnerrp:

which would require a /much/ expanded mythprotocol

[04:16:18]

Valen:

heh unless its an API call of "run this SQL and send the results back"

[04:16:34]

wagnerrp:

and would also require all existing frontends to have a new backend counterpart to perform the necessary DB calls and expose its data over mythprotocol

[04:16:59]

wagnerrp:

and in order to pull that off... one would certainly be able to make a plugin to do exactly that

[04:17:17]

Valen:

sounds too messy to me

[04:17:40]

Valen:

give access to the back end to let "smart humans" fix stuff by hand when its needed

[04:17:54]

Valen:

or people with magic tools that you haven't thought of yet

[04:18:05]

wagnerrp:

sadly among our user base, the 'smart humans' are far and few between

[04:18:13]

Valen:

and keep the mythprotcol for myth

[04:18:13]

wagnerrp:

some know what theyre doing and can do things right

[04:18:20]

wagnerrp:

most end up screwing things up

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sphery:

and, more importantly, if some smart human builds a magic tool that's useful, they need to build it right and make it available to everyeone

[04:18:33]

Valen:

heh, thats their fault lol

[04:18:40]

wagnerrp:

the idea for those 'magic tools' would be to use the perl/php/python bindings to create those tools

[04:18:52]

sphery:

i.e. scripts and direct DB data hacking don't make for a usable MythTV

[04:19:05]

sphery:

so if you have something that fixes a problem, do up a real patch and let everyone benefit :)

[04:19:08]

wagnerrp:

or write new bindings for java/ruby/whatever to access them

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sphery:

or that

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Valen:

I spose when I was looking at doing stuff myth had no other bindings

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darkdrgn2k:

any one know if theres is a "discreat power" options for happauge's ir blasters

[04:19:37]

Valen:

and I "do" python

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sphery:

kormoc: so, do you have any experience with embedded mysql?

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Valen:

well "did"

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sphery:

I've heard it eats data files...

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kormoc:

sphery, very little

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kormoc:

sphery, I'd say that entirely depends on how you set it up

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sphery:

but don't know whether that's embedded mysql or the app in which it was embedded

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sphery:

makes sense to me

[04:20:27]

mianos:

this "Mythvideo-scanner YET another imdb details grabber" is damned fine

[04:20:32]

mianos:

specially compared to Jamu

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wagnerrp:

imdb grabber?

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sphery:

grabbing imdb is a violation of ToS

[04:20:54]

kormoc:

mianos, aye, it's something we can't support

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sphery:

so I /hope/ that's just a legacy name

[04:21:00]

mianos:

well I'm sure it's not approved by this channel

[04:21:05]

mianos:

but it works really well

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well... they could be pulling from the downloadable text database

[04:21:17]

wagnerrp:

thats fully compliant

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kormoc:

no, it's a google code project

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sphery:

does imdb actually update that?

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wagnerrp:

donno

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mianos:

http://code.google.com/p/mythvideo-scanner/

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kormoc:

yeah, that's the TOS breaking one

[04:22:04]

sphery:

ah, yay

[04:22:15]

sphery:

more "steal stuff" projects on Google Code

[04:22:27]

mianos:

I'm not a fan of perl, jamu is all in python which is better

[04:22:28]

kormoc:

it's also a donation driven project

[04:22:42]

mianos:

but actually working well, that really helps for me

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kormoc:

"ooh, imdb broke something? well, if you donate enough, I'll fix it!"

[04:22:57]

sphery:

kormoc: well, don't you think you should donate some money to the guy who's helping you steal metadata?

[04:22:58]

kormoc:

nothing like extorting money from your users so they can steal

[04:23:02]

mianos:

source is on SVN

[04:23:04]

wagnerrp:

mianos: the tmdb and ttvdb scripts in mythtv work pretty well too

[04:23:14]

mianos:

ok

[04:23:17]

wagnerrp:

the only reasons they wouldnt work well is if you either (a) named your files wrong

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mianos:

the normal ones?

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kormoc:

mianos, the one built into myth

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wagnerrp:

or (b) have content that has not been put into their respective websites

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sphery:

just like how it's common courtesy to donate money to an app that helps you rename your stolen, downloaded videos so that they'll work more easily in mythtv

[04:23:47]

wagnerrp:

at which point, you should add the content to their respective websites

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mianos:

so it's unnapproved

[04:24:18]

mianos:

oh well it works

[04:24:19]

wagnerrp:

imdb made it very well known that they do not want bots and scrapers accessing their site

[04:24:28]

mianos:

like cddb

[04:24:33]

wagnerrp:

thats the entire reason thetvdb themoviedb and tvrage were set up

[04:24:40]

mianos:

but jamu looks at imdb

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wagnerrp:

as an alternative when imdb shut us out

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kormoc:

mianos, unapproved, unsupported, old (go two year old codebase!), breaks your database, etc

[04:24:59]

kormoc:

mianos, no, it doesn't

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Valen:

If a "monitor" script/event thing is going to be well recieved I'll look into it

[04:25:17]

darkdrgn2k:

is there a script to scrub missing recordings?

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darkdrgn2k:

from the databasere

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wagnerrp:

find_orphans.py

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sphery:

wagnerrp: $markers->{scene} = [ "PROPER","SCREENER","KAMERA","INTERNAL", "LiNE","iAPULA","LIMITED","DIMENSION",&q uot;DIAMOND","inf","iNFAMOUS" ];

[04:25:33]

kormoc:

Valen, sure

[04:25:40]

Valen:

any suggestions? I'm thinking if it picks up a failure it should slurp some logs and include that

[04:25:41]

Shadow__X:

is anyone thats on comcast here have bbc america in hd?

[04:25:47]

Valen:

perhaps a 2 stage system

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wagnerrp:

Valen: check out the system events interface, should be fairly easy to write something triggered by those to check things

[04:25:56]

sphery:

I really wish Google would kick off projects that are meant to rename videos of stolen movies

[04:26:10]

wagnerrp:

unless you want something that can detect a backend segfault or such

[04:26:11]

kormoc:

Valen, keep in mind, most of our users have broken email setups so if you pimp it out, let them know that's a requirement

[04:26:24]

sphery:

I wonder if it "works better" because it's parsing out all the stealy info from the file names

[04:26:27]

Valen:

step 1 find there is a problem, step 2 script for user defined action

[04:26:39]

Valen:

so it could SMS or email or both

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py

[04:27:20]

Valen:

kormoc: heh if I do it in python I'll let lusers put in the smtp server they want it sent to so they can pick their ISP if thats their desire lol

[04:27:21]

wagnerrp:

sphery: did i mention theres a race condition in there?

[04:27:30]

sphery:

in your new code?

[04:27:35]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[04:27:36]

sphery:

I haven't had a chance to even look at it, yet

[04:27:47]

wagnerrp:

its a rather obscure one

[04:27:56]

wagnerrp:

since its pulling the recording list from the database

[04:28:07]

wagnerrp:

when you tell it to delete recordings, and refresh immediately

[04:28:16]

wagnerrp:

the backend hasnt actually gotten around to deleting them

[04:28:19]

darkdrgn2k:

hmm find orphas crashes LOL

[04:28:21]

wagnerrp:

so they still show up

[04:28:23]

sphery:

I pulled a muscle at beach volleyball, today, so I've been completely unproductive due to my sulking

[04:28:24]

wagnerrp:

crashes?

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darkdrgn2k:

AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'delete'

[04:28:31]

darkdrgn2k:

well tracebacks..

[04:28:42]

wagnerrp:

tracebacks indicate a crash

[04:28:52]

darkdrgn2k:

yeh stacktrace..

[04:28:52]

sphery:

was that the error that just requires users to update to current?

[04:28:54]

wagnerrp:

need a full traceback

[04:29:31]

darkdrgn2k:

http://pastebin.com/Mq2J1CEP

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darkdrgn2k:

huh.. nm

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darkdrgn2k:

i think it was a refresh issue

[04:30:15]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, seems thats the problem im referring to

[04:30:45]

wagnerrp:

the entry shows up in the database, so i think its an orphaned recording and list it

[04:31:11]

wagnerrp:

but when i go to delete it, i have to pull a program info from the backend, to send it back to the backend

[04:31:21]

wagnerrp:

the backend has already deleted it at that time, so i get an error

[04:31:24]

wagnerrp:

currently unhandled

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sphery:

oh, I was talking about darkdrgn2k's issue

[04:31:53]

wagnerrp:

yes, darkdrgn2k's issue is the one i just mentioned five minutes ago

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sphery:

heh, ran a find_orphans.py on my new 0.24 system, and it works like a charm

[04:33:29]

wagnerrp:

i thought you didnt have orphans

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sphery:

422MB of DB Backups (in the one directory in the DB Backups Storage Group), and no orphaned anything

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: worked fine here to.... i ran it twice in a row second time i crashed.. but a min or 2 later all the recordings disapeard so i think it was some kind of sync issue

[04:34:23]

sphery:

weird

[04:34:51]

darkdrgn2k:

hmmm this is wierd

[04:34:52]

darkdrgn2k:

in sd

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darkdrgn2k:

..! My Dad Says: Lock and Load (Rerun)

[04:35:05]

darkdrgn2k:

but the original air date is feb 10th (same day it says its a rerun)

[04:36:24]

sphery:

re-scheduled after preempted?

[04:36:31]

sphery:

maybe by State of the Onion?

[04:36:37]

wagnerrp:

i keep having spurious recordings show up out of nowhere

[04:36:49]

wagnerrp:

like this one, a discover channel recording from 2008

[04:36:54]

wagnerrp:

where did it come from?

[04:37:02]

wagnerrp:

it wasnt there before

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: odly its atthe correct time that it airs each week

[04:38:59]

darkdrgn2k:

gawd i missed myth's scheduling logit

[04:39:02]

darkdrgn2k:

*logic

[04:39:06]

darkdrgn2k:

so glad to have it back

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the type of thing that qualifies for an interrupt scheduled TV with a scroller around here: "Breaking News from Local 6: Orlando Fire Rescue Crews are responding to Universal's Islands of Adventure, where a ride at the Wizarding World of Harry Potter is Stuck..."

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sphery:

(this in an old recording from July)

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wagnerrp:

we get to hear about kangaroos on the loose

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mianos:

it's getting info from imdb and covers from tvrage.com

[04:47:26]

sphery:

heh... at lest that's mildly interesting--versus just trying to incite panick because some park ride stopped...

[04:47:40]

mianos:

it does an episode lookup from imdb

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wagnerrp:

mianos: why not just pull everything from tvrage?

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wagnerrp:

its going to be a lot easier, considering tvrage has a real API you can poll

[04:48:16]

mianos:

I dunno, I guess it's simpler to work out the possible macthes if your library is not perfectly named as per the temple of mythtv

[04:48:17]

wagnerrp:

all that hard work, just to do something youre not supposed to be doing in the first place

[04:48:40]

sphery:

well, it does make it easier to deal with filenames of stolen videos

[04:48:48]

wagnerrp:

im not talking about that

[04:48:58]

sphery:

I'm just very upset about that

[04:48:58]

wagnerrp:

im saying why doesnt that script pull data from tvrage

[04:49:09]

wagnerrp:

why does it have to pull from imdb

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mianos:

it downloads the basic text of the imdb page

[04:49:11]

sphery:

but I agree--it shouldn't be hitting imdb

[04:49:30]

mianos:

Poster Image: http://images.tvrage.com/shows/8/7884.jpg

[04:49:30]

mianos:

Screenshot Image: http://images.tvrage.com/screencaps/40/7884/1064810200.jpg

[04:49:32]

wagnerrp:

mianos: youre not getting me, tvrage makes their data available through an API

[04:49:32]

mianos:

etc

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wagnerrp:

you ask it a question, it responds in an extensible format designed for computers to read

[04:49:57]

wagnerrp:

not some messy HTML page that must be parsed and scraped

[04:50:03]

mianos:

as XML yes I see the data

[04:50:12]

sphery:

and you don't violate terms of service of the site you're using

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mianos:

I had to look at it when I was trying to work out wtf jamu was not working

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wagnerrp:

so why are they pulling from imdb, when tvrage, or thetvdb, or themoviedb is far far FAR easier to interface with

[04:51:06]

mianos:

for episodes

[04:51:07]

wagnerrp:

it makes no sense

[04:51:18]

wagnerrp:

no, those other sites already provide that data

[04:51:24]

Newbuntu81:

Can anyone state what firmware should be used for setting up the HVR-2250 with Mythv 0.24?

[04:51:37]

Newbuntu81:

Should it be 1) NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw, or 2) v4l-saa7164–1.0.3.fw? I want both tuners set to cable, not over the air.

[04:55:23]

wagnerrp:

sphery: ive pushed the new branch, whenever you want to look into it... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/modular-proto

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sphery:

Newbuntu81: did you see: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppau . . . 250#Firmware

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sphery:

wagnerrp: cool, I'll take a look

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wagnerrp:

id like to clean up the dependencies

[05:03:07]

wagnerrp:

right now, its a blanket requirement of everything

[05:03:16]

wagnerrp:

which means a large memory footprint

[05:03:21]

wagnerrp:

but... that can be fixed later

[05:05:02]

wagnerrp:

oh, and libmythprotoserver.pro

[05:05:19]

wagnerrp:

ive got a really messy '-L$${LIBDIR}/qt4

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wagnerrp:

just to get it to compile

[05:05:31]

wagnerrp:

never did figure out what i was doing wrong there

[05:05:39]

wagnerrp:

if youve got any ideas

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sphery:

not sure on that

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sphery:

I'm definitely not a qmake guy

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kormoc:

"Mythbuntu .24-fixed" Awesome

[05:47:53]

kormoc:

that Mythbuntu won't go breeding anymore!

[05:50:06]

wagnerrp:

what could cause a circuit board to make a hissing noise?

[05:52:02]

Shadow__X:

caps?

[05:52:25]

kormoc:

snakes

[05:53:34]

Shadow__X:

kormoc: i recently purchased a mac mini and have to say i am thoroughly impressed with how low the power consumption is

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, yeah, they did a great job engineering that box (Intel, Apple, whomever deserves the praise)

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wagnerrp:

its the LEDs that are making all the noise

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Shadow__X:

do LEDs normally emit sound?

[05:57:10]

wagnerrp:

well something is wrong, because this doesnt have enough power to run a hard drive

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Shadow__X:

all i need to do is get a successful build of .24-fixes and I can start contributing builds automatically to sourceforge for us

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: if you would like the buildbot to test build your new branch, just let me know

[06:07:41]

wagnerrp:

nah, maybe later once i get it more filled out

[06:07:50]

Beirdo:

k, no problemo :)

[06:08:31]

Beirdo:

Phil Collins on the turntable :)

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: Were you one of the people discussing an automatic build script for osx?

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Beirdo:

yes, but not the one doing the scripting

[06:10:47]

Beirdo:

I need to touch base with Stuart on that... see where he is

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Shadow__X:

ok because after i get through my own build issues of the fe. I would like to contribute builds for osx

[06:11:32]

Beirdo:

well, we don't provide binaries.

[06:11:43]

Shadow__X:

i have something that is little more than calling the osx-packager script and then renames the built package with the appropriate build number

[06:12:01]

Beirdo:

we were just going to do continuous integration-style builds after every commit

[06:12:10]

Shadow__X:

officially maybe not but there are linked builds on sourceforge

[06:12:26]

Beirdo:

that's their problem :)

[06:13:11]

Shadow__X:

every commit on trunk presumable?

[06:13:21]

Beirdo:

there is no trunk

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Beirdo:

only master

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Beirdo:

:)

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Shadow__X:

sorry, master then

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Beirdo:

we test build fixes/0.24 and master, currently

[06:14:16]

Beirdo:

but only on Linux, OSX and Win32 are coming once we have them sorted out

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darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: youll have win32 builds for master?

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Shadow__X:

so then at the very least i am saying i am willing to run and provide builds for fixes/0.24.

[06:15:16]

Beirdo:

we'll be test building, but not providing binaries

[06:15:28]

Beirdo:

cool

[06:15:43]

Beirdo:

might save a few people the trouble

[06:15:55]

darkdrgn2k:

i need to figure out how to build the win32 so i can watch tv on my laptop

[06:17:01]

Beirdo:

there is a very long thread on the dev mailing list all about the new win32 buildscript that's not quite ready for the repository last I checked, but getting quite close

[06:17:28]

darkdrgn2k:

nno rush lol

[06:17:29]

darkdrgn2k:

i can wayt

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darkdrgn2k:

acutaly i wanna get into plugin devel, i figure its a good way to learn how myth works so maybe someday i can actualy contribute

[06:31:04]

darkdrgn2k:

is ther anyway to check if the sat receiver is on?

[06:31:11]

darkdrgn2k:

ie take a screenshot?

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wagnerrp:

not sure what youre asking

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: im using IR to talk to the ird... but if the ird is off, cant really tune

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darkdrgn2k:

wondering if there is a way to check if the ird is on or off

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darkdrgn2k:

to be honst i just wanna figure out a way i can reset everythign to a "known" state

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Shadow__X:

check if the process is running?

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darkdrgn2k:

Shadow__X: yeh but im trying to figure out is the receiver is actually on

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Shadow__X:

could you check under dev? I am not sure if it shows up there

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darkdrgn2k:

Shadow__X: im talking about the external receiver

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Shadow__X:

presumable it would show up under /dev if it was on but of course i could just be plain ol wrong

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Shadow__X:

ah sorry

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darkdrgn2k:

Shadow__X: like then thing you ir blast TO lol

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darkdrgn2k:

hence screen shit idea

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Shadow__X:

you could send a ir blast to it then check if it received it

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darkdrgn2k:

how do you check....

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darkdrgn2k:

see on the other reciver i got the power_on button but the happauge firmware only has POWER (toggle)

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Shadow__X:

i believe its irw

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Shadow__X:

if i am understanding you correctly that is

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darkdrgn2k:

Shadow__X: LOL im trying to check if my satalite receiver is on..

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darkdrgn2k:

if its NOT on it wont change channels...

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darkdrgn2k:

if its NOT on i can turn it on by blasing "POWER"

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darkdrgn2k:

if its ON however blasing power will turn it off

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darkdrgn2k:

soooo how do i check if its ON or OFF

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Shadow__X:

try tuning a channel?

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Shadow__X:

or you know GO to the receiver?

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh ... its in a closet..

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darkdrgn2k:

and im trying to figure out an automated way if im not around, and the receiver turns of (for whatever reason) nothign will record

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darkdrgn2k:

rather black screen will record

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Shadow__X:

i have not had the most experience with ird. I just use an ir receiver for my remote currently

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, try to tune. if it fails, hit it with a power event, try tuning

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kormoc:

that said, I just had my set to be always on and called it good

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darkdrgn2k:

ok

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darkdrgn2k:

hey stupid question

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darkdrgn2k:

i know the wiki said DONT DO IT

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darkdrgn2k:

but what is the harm of using something like mplayer to pull a frame out of /dev/video0

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wagnerrp:

s/power event/hammer/

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darkdrgn2k:

that bad?

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wagnerrp:

why use mplayer?

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darkdrgn2k:

*shrug* frist thing that came to mind

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darkdrgn2k:

got a better suggestion

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wagnerrp:

mythffmpeg or mythpreviewgen

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kormoc:

cause it can screw up if myth is reading from it at the time

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: what if i check the status of the tuner first

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wagnerrp:

there is that too

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, you can try it, just don't come crying here when it breaks

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darkdrgn2k:

understandable

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darkdrgn2k:

just trying to figurr out what the implications are

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wagnerrp:

crocodile tears

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darkdrgn2k:

i mean i COULD shut down mythbackend if its not recording.. do the screenshot... and then start it up again..

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Shadow__X:

when has that disclaimer stopped someone from crying foul

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** darkdrgn2k points out TOS one siets **

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darkdrgn2k:

thats kinda a disclaimer

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GTswagger:

So, I upgraded hardware, and I'm getting no sound despite sound working everywhere else. Not using Pulse. Set as ALSA:Default:CARD:Intel (Realtek ALC892 Intel HD). Tried all the others it detected for giggles ... no change.

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GTswagger:

Only clue when running mythfrontend -v audio

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GTswagger:

is: AO: Pause 1 ... AO: Output AudioLoop:Pause

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GTswagger:

Any ideas??

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Shadow__X:

GTswagger: in the frontend did you scan for audio?

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GTswagger:

Shadow__X: yes

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you remember anything about the VDPAU painter?

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kormoc:

a little

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kormoc:

what's up?

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wagnerrp:

didnt mark disable it because it didnt work properly?

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kormoc:

afaik, yes

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wagnerrp:

and this error would otherwise indicate a user had forced it in use? "VDPAU Painter: Clearing VDPAU painter cache."

[07:08:24]

kormoc:

Yes

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kormoc:

wait...

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kormoc:

I'm using the opengl painter and I'm getting VDPAU painter clearing in my logs

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kormoc:

I'm thinking he's just clearing them all the time just to be safe

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Cydd:

http://ijustwanttofitin.com/wp-content/upload . . . reencaps.jpg

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** kormoc blinks at Cydd **

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Cydd:

oh come on kormoc

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Cydd:

that's funny

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wagnerrp:

nah, that was a month and a half ago, no sense bringing that back up

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wagnerrp:

its a shame the movie came out so fast, only 4.5 months since theatrical release

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wagnerrp:

couldnt have caught him for having the file before the disc was even available in stores

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sphery:

heh, I got that show from Redbox... not bad, but not great... and thanks for helping me remember that show--it answers a question I had

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, you use freebsd?

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Beirdo:

to the cloud...

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, he's a masochist that way :)

[08:06:24]

Beirdo:

but hey, whatever works.

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kormoc:

Beirdo, cloud sucks when it has no IM/IRC

[08:07:20]

Beirdo:

oh?

[08:07:32]

Beirdo:

we'll have to get MS to fix that

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Beirdo:

snicker

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kormoc:

Got a CR-48, no joy on the IM/IRC

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Beirdo:

sounds like a cool toy otherwise

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kormoc:

sorta... Track pad makes me want to kill someone

[08:10:33]

kormoc:

but overall... It's the future... it really is.

[08:10:43]

kormoc:

and it's up to devs to make it a reality

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Beirdo:

as always :)

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Beirdo:

Well, I'll say one thing for The Beatles... their albums sure used stereo :)

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: they really explored the space?

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Beirdo:

you gotta remember, stereo was new back then... they have the instruments placed in 3D space pretty much

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stanman246:

hi i installed mythbuntu and later i installed ubuntu-desktop. Ubuntu is running fine, but if i try to run mythbackend -v i get an error that libmythtv-0.23.1.so.0 cannot be found

[10:33:38]

stanman246:

i did go to mythbuntu/auto-builds and added the 0.24 repository

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laga:

stanman246: run a full system upgrade

[11:02:19]

stanman246:

i went into synaptic and upgraded all the 0.23 to 0.24 and at least the backend setup is running now ;-)

[11:03:34]

stanman246:

i think my tv card is broke ;-)

[11:03:39]

stanman246:

+n

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justinh:

Beirdo: hard panned instrumentation *sucks*

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justinh:

(IMHO). Not so bad over speakers but in headphones it feels like my ears are being pulled off

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laga:

justinh: ohai!

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Valen:

that tuner is toast now

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Valen:

died all the way

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Valen:

only gets like 30% signal on either tuner

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justinh:

laga: hi hi. how's things?

[11:29:19]

laga:

justinh: good, good. not too much time these days :) for you?

[11:29:43]

justinh:

not bad. life is very tiring these days :)

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laga:

heh

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justinh:

my wife went away for the weekend just gone, helping her sister celebrate her birthday. Left me with the boy. 24/7 * 2..

[11:30:58]

laga:

congrats on the boy :)

[11:31:05]

justinh:

cheers

[11:31:18]

justinh:

6 months old now. time is flying

[11:31:58]

laga:

living the good life, i see :)

[11:33:07]

justinh:

ZOMG! just had a text to say my mortgage has *finally* completed. Am I ever glad about that. Been through the mill with that application :-\

[11:35:14]

justinh:

I started taking my 'concept' theme in another direction last night. Going back to the old way

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laga:

nice!

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justinh:

having lived with horizontal group lists in 'watch recordings' for a few months I've decided to go back

[11:38:19]

justinh:

I'd still prefer to be able to flatten the view so either the group list or recording list is visible at the same time but wth

[11:39:21]

justinh:

hmm. I wonder if they could both occupy an overlapping area. can't remember if I ever tried that or not

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stanman246:

hmm.. i keep getting the notice that the frontend couldn't connect to the master server, how do i troubleshoot that?

[11:59:21]

stanman246:

i set it in mythtv-setup

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stanman246:

and in the frontend

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stanman246:

if i run mythfrontend from the commandline i get: coneecting to backend server: 192.168.1.4:6543 (which is the same machine BE/FE on this ip) and then times out. what to check?

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justinh:

stanman246: 1. is the MBE running bound to the LAN IP or 127.0.0.1 ?

[12:21:46]

justinh:

2. is your mysql server configured to allow connections from other machines?

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stanman246:

1 yes, 2. how to check?

[12:22:23]

justinh:

mysql -u USER -pPASSWORD -h IP_ADDRESS

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stanman246:

where USER is mythtv and Password is the one in the backend config?

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justinh:

sigh

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CiaranG:

If they're on the same machine, the answer to 2 probabl fdoesn't matter

[12:23:22]

CiaranG:

The answer to 1 can't be "yes" though ;)

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stanman246:

sry, kinda new to this...

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stanman246:

lol

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justinh:

no, you just put some frickin random username & password in

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stanman246:

it's running to the local ip (192.168.1.4)

[12:24:56]

CiaranG:

Are you sure the backend service is actually running?

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CiaranG:

e.g. (assuming it's linux):

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CiaranG:

ps -A | grep mythbackend

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stanman246:

i ran mythbackend from the command line and saw it connected to mythconverg at 192.168.1.4. Then the last line is Scheduler, Error: no channel sources defined

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stanman246:

so i don't think it's running

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justinh:

and if it's not linux you're in trouble ;-)

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stanman246:

lol

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stanman246:

mythbuntu

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justinh:

oh that's one for #mythbuntu then

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justinh:

sorted

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justinh:

hang on – no channel sources defined. I thought this was supposed to have been an upgrade

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justinh:

or was it more a 'delete everything, fresh install newer version' 'upgrade' ?

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stanman246:

actually it's a new install, cause my other box broke

[12:28:14]

stanman246:

so now i found out my analogue card wasn't working anymore and i tried the demo

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justinh:

demo of a working full mythtv system? I wonder how they wangled that

[12:29:26]

justinh:

anyhoo – whatever – sounds like you missed a step in mythtv-setup

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stanman246:

hmm ok, will turn back to it then...

[12:31:14]

justinh:

whether you want to watch/record TV with mythtv or not you've got to have a tuner defined – and a 'video source' defined for it & associated with it via 'Input Connections'

[12:36:42]

justinh:

so, all that piracy of TV shows on the internets – it's been Sky TV's fault all along http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/news . . . y-surge.html

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stanman246:

so i've created a demo tv card, added that to the videosources, and put it in Input Connections

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stanman246:

but if i want to leave the backend it prompts: Card 1 (type mpeg2ts) is set to start on channel aa which doesn't exist. Do you want to return and fix this?

[13:04:23]

stanman246:

...i'm a bit lost....

[13:04:57]

stanman246:

if i exit and try to run the backend, it exits with: failed to bind port 6543. Exiting

[13:05:00]

stanman246:

what am i missing?

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justinh:

it's likely already running

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justinh:

mythtv-setup on ubuntu stops the backend if it's running, and restarts it upon exiting

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justinh:

and yeah if you set mythbackend to start on a channel that doesn't exist it'll complain in mythtv-setup

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stanman246:

ah i see

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stanman246:

i rebooted and the mythfrontend came up nicely!

[13:19:40]

stanman246:

i can watch the 'livetv' (the mpg), but without sound, so a new challenge

[13:20:04]

stanman246:

also if i hit esc the frontend freezes

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stanman246:

i've killed the process and started it from the command line and at the point where i hit esc i get: TV: attempting to change from watchinglivetv to none and it all freezes :(

[13:21:22]

stanman246:

so i need to killall mythfrontend.real again

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stanman246:

mythbackend.log gives met numerouw tfw_buf_size(2097152) 's what's that?

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stanman246:

*numerous

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stanman246:

after i've killed the frontend in the backend log i can see Finisched recording Unknown: channel 1000... i'm lost again...

[13:26:44]

stanman246:

still doubting if i'd buy a dvb-c card for the machine.... what if it doesn't work...

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stanman246:

don't know how i should handle the freezes, any tips?

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justinh:

maybe try setting mythtv up properly first. that'd be where I'd go

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stanman246:

gonna flip in the livecd again and then do a clean install...

[14:29:25]

stanman246:

could it be i choose dutch for the installation language?

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

if you don't know any Dutch, yes

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justinh:

anyway, using mythtv without tuners is NOT a supported method here

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justinh:

and FWIW if you don't even need TV I'd recommend you use something else

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stanman246:

just haven't got the hardware yet, but when i do have the right dvb-c hardware, i'd like to use mythtv, so i thought: why not start now ;-)

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stanman246:

i thought because of the backend/frontend setup i'd use it untill then to server video's and music through our house

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't 'serve' music across a network

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justinh:

yet

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stanman246:

oh, ok....

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stanman246:

thought there was a 'listen to music' option

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justinh:

there is

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justinh:

but it's not served over the network

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stanman246:

but just for local music?

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justinh:

yes

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stanman246:

aha, also from shares?

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justinh:

no

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stanman246:

hmm.. 2 bad...

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justinh:

unless you *mount* the shares so they look local

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stanman246:

well i was hoping i could make a bootcd/usb and then boot into a 'media centre' idea with any network enabled machine....

[15:04:37]

stanman246:

guess that's not gonna work then...

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justinh:

it could

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justinh:

if you set it up properly it could. like, if you mount remote shares to the same place every time

[15:05:42]

stanman246:

so creating a bootable usb including the mounted remote shares would do the trick?

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justinh:

did I not just say that? :-\

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stanman246:

sry

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stanman246:

i really want to use mythtv for this. watching livetv and recording can be done later

[15:08:43]

stanman246:

for now i just want the video's and music to be available

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stanman246:

so i need to set it up with the demo tv then

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justinh:

you need to set up *a* tuner so if you have no hardware the 'demo' or dummy tuner is what you need

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justinh:

but do it *properly*

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justinh:

do each stage of mythtv-setup in turn

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stanman246:

hmm

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stanman246:

gonna give up for now i gues

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stanman246:

need 2 go

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stanman246:

thanks for all the info

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kisak:

ok, I've given a fairly good attempt at getting bluray to play, but I'm hitting a snag with a "Player(0), Error: Couldn't find an A/V decoder ..."

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kisak:

mythavtest fails with that

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kisak:

I have a MKBv3 and a MKBv9 test disc which both have the same result

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iamlindoro:

kisak: We cannot really overtly help you with decryption libraries here

[16:07:02]

kisak:

iamlindoro: decryption is not the problem

[16:07:07]

iamlindoro:

kisak: Yes, it is

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mgolisch:

is this possible at all?

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mgolisch:

iam not aware of any linux bd+ capable player

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kisak:

iamlindoro: aacskeys acts like the encryption stuff is in order

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iamlindoro:

kisak: aacskeys is not used by mythtv

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iamlindoro:

kisak: This is all the same problem-- you are not following the instructions carefully

[16:08:44]

iamlindoro:

*LIBAACS* is the decryption library

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iamlindoro:

you need to have libaacs compiled and installed, and when you do that, you can turn up the verbostiy of the blu-ray and decryption libs, as explained in the wiki, to see *exactly* what's going on

[16:10:05]

iamlindoro:

if your KEYDB.cfg is invalid, it'll tell you so-- if libaacs is not installed, it'll be obvious from the logs... all the information is there, you're just not reading or following it carefully

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kisak:

well, the response I get from mythavtest indicates the problem is neither a libaacs or a KEYDB.cfg problem

[16:20:23]

iamlindoro:

kisak: post logs

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iamlindoro:

with the BD debug verbosity turned up

[16:20:55]

kisak:

iamlindoro: BD_DEBUG_MASK=8?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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kisak:

http://pastie.org/1537356

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kisak:

line 252 is where things derail

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iamlindoro:

BD_DEBUG_MASK is not getting set

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iamlindoro:

Since none of the Blu-ray debug logging is there

[16:24:55]

iamlindoro:

So you have a weird shell setup, you need to set it set up such that the env variable is properly set, then post new logs

[16:25:15]

iamlindoro:

But I'm telling you right now, your problem is either no libaacs installed, or a KEYDB.cfg syntax error

[16:25:41]

iamlindoro:

or as a third possibility, pointing at the wrong mountpoint

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Lunar_Lamp:

I'm wanting to isntall a new mythtv instance from scratch, but want my database on a remote host. Should I install it from scratch locally, and then just dump the local db, import it remotely, and change the config? Or does the install allow me to natively install the db remotely?

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iamlindoro:

MythTV as we ship it does no DB install whatsoever-- installing it locally or remotely is no difference

[16:42:02]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like you might be blurring the lines betwen MythTV and the stuff your packager does to make things easier

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro: hmm, very, very possible.

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iamlindoro:

MythTV as we ship it (source) just comes with a .sql file which initializes the DB-- it's up to the user to run that sql scrip tto create the DB wherever they want it

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iamlindoro:

So if you're installing myth in that fashion, you just run the DB script on the host where you want myth, properly configure your config.xml/mysql.txt files to point at that DB host, and you're off and running

[16:44:31]

iamlindoro:

in the event of an install like the above, though, packages probably make it more complicated rather than less so

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kisak:

iamlindoro: well, I finally got a productive error message, it failed to calculate the unique volume key

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro: yeah, I guess my method was the worst-case scenario, which is hadly a major chunk of work :-)

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iamlindoro:

kisak: pastebin

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iamlindoro:

kisak: and cat /proc/mounts and pastebin that

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kisak:

http://pastie.org/1537469

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kisak:

the repeative chunk was omited

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iamlindoro:

syntax error: line 7

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iamlindoro:

bad entry at or around line 61

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iamlindoro:

So your KEYDB.cfg is invalid

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iamlindoro:

weird cut and paste, syntax error is actually somewhere on line 6 or 7

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iamlindoro:

I'd randomly guess that it's your Host Certificate entry that is flawed, but tough to tell without seeing it

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kisak:

seems accurate

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kisak:

ok, thanks for nudging me in a direction I can work with

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iamlindoro:

np, just make sure you EXACTLY follow the example in the template file, including adding line breaks, prefacing it with 0x, slashes at ends of lines, etc.

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kisak:

ok, looks like it was parsing or HOST_NONCE and HOST_KEY_POINT which I omitted because http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=155671 states "

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kisak:

Scroll down to the example | HC | entry. The contents of the HostKeyCertificate.txt give you the HOST_PRIV_KEY and HOST_CERT values. Insert them. The nonce and keypoint can be ignored."

[17:09:02]

iamlindoro:

Can be ignored in that you can leave them all 0s

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kisak:

I know that now

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iamlindoro:

ignored != deleted ;)

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kisak:

well, I just didn't write it to start with, since I didn't cut/paste from the template

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iamlindoro:

working now?

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kisak:

it is

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iamlindoro:

ok

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kisak:

and the peasents rejoice

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mrec:

is there any bug known with analog TV?

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mrec:

I'm doing a channel scan and mythtv reports a signal strength on every channel

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mrec:

while other applications in the background report that there's no signal on most of the channels

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mrec:

mythtv 0.24 ubuntu 10.10

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iamlindoro:

Heh, so Dell is sending me a little Mini 10 with CrystalHD for free... but the downside is they won't ship it until April 5th

[18:04:10]

iamlindoro:

still, 1366x768 display, 250GB drive, I'm thinking it might make a fun fakeintosh

[18:04:20]

wagnerrp:

built up rebates from work purchases?

[18:04:45]

iamlindoro:

nah, I am just always squeezing the business sales rep :)

[18:05:15]

iamlindoro:

In this particular case, though, I think the free Mini was part of a deal they had running for everyone with the purchase of some other full laptops

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Shadow__X:

they had something similar a while back. If you bought a specific laptop from them you could get a 10v for 50 bucks

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Shadow__X:

which gpu will your 10 have

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iamlindoro:

Intel + CrystalHD

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wagnerrp:

good enough for opengl? or stuck with xv?

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iamlindoro:

Since I don't intend to put Linux on, Intel shouldn't hamstring me

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iamlindoro:

I'm not sure I'd ever use it for myth, more likely I'll just hack Snow Leopard on and use it for little incidental stuff like e-mail/terminal/whatever

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Beirdo:

oooh, a toy :)

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Shadow__X:

hopefully that trackpad is better than the one on my 10v. Especially running Leopard it was a pain

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iamlindoro:

In truth I should probably just sell it

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Shadow__X:

but once you get past that my 10v running leopard was decent

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iamlindoro:

I've got a Macbook Pro, I've got multiple desktops-- I've really got no need for it at all

[18:14:19]

iamlindoro:

Could probably use the money a lot more

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Shadow__X:

personally once i got a macbook i have not really looked upon the netbook again. So it might make sense to sell it.

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Beirdo:

OK, someone needs to get the BBC to go IPv6

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: beacuse ipv6 has poor geolocation data at the moment?

[19:37:11]

Beirdo:

that's a lousy excues

[19:37:15]

Beirdo:

excuse rather

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Beirdo:

and there's no reason that should be the case

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AndyCap:

I thought more of it as an opportunity.

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Beirdo:

heh

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AndyCap:

but why should the bbc go to ipv6?

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Beirdo:

because everyone needs to in the next couple years

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AndyCap:

Not the Phone Company :P

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Beirdo:

ipv4 is dying rapidly... it's down to the regional registries now... RIPE is predicted to run out of assignment space near the end of 2011, IIRC

[19:39:54]

Beirdo:

and each ISP has maybe 6–8 months of growth-space available

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Beirdo:

so in 2 years or so, ISPs will be out of IPv4 is the general gist

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** AndyCap sees huge growth opportunities for NAT **

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

NAT is crap

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AndyCap:

NAT is full of win.

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Beirdo:

NAT has *no* win

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Beirdo:

it is crap

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AndyCap:

suddenly an ISP don't have an address shortage

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AndyCap:

additional bonus points: customers must use our voip service

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Beirdo:

no, they only have all the support issues, expensive proxies, etc.

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Beirdo:

it's crap, just go IPv6

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AndyCap:

they've downsized the support department so no additional cost there. :)

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Beirdo:

anyways... tell the Beeb to get with the program :)

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Beirdo:

preferrably before geolocation dbs catch up

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Beirdo:

ooooh, I need to re-rip this LP

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Beirdo:

the noise reduction screwed it badly

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Beirdo:

it has that grating... electronic swishiness... to it

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AndyCap:

wasn't it audacity that got shipped with those usb-lp rippers

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Beirdo:

yes, it is

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Beirdo:

but I don't have one :)

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AndyCap:

you have a real lp player?

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Beirdo:

I have a proper turntable, and a USB pre-amp

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

but I use audacity anyways

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Beirdo:

audacity ate the audio on this one with the noise reduction. I have a few I need to redo

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AndyCap:

Om nom nom

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Beirdo:

back to listening to the Beatles

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Beirdo:

that one, I did only click removal

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Beirdo:

it was too scratched to do noise reduction to my satisfaction

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AndyCap:

hmm, ipv6.google.com didn't want to talk to me. did I bork my setup

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Beirdo:

you musta :)

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Beirdo:

it's pingable for me

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Beirdo:

from home, of course

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Beirdo:

boo!

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Beirdo:

ABC.net.au has geolocation restrictions too

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Beirdo:

screw you guys too :)

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AndyCap:

Ah, crap.

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AndyCap:

stupid radvd died.

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Beirdo:

that would do it

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Beirdo:

although... ABC is on akamai

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Beirdo:

so... come World IPv6 day, I bet...

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BobLfoot:

anybody tried the -inversecutlist option with mythtranscode I can't seem to get it working

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wagnerrp:

there is such a setting?

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BobLfoot:

yes wagnerrp it's a documented feature , just not sure how well it works or was tested

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wagnerrp:

looks like its '--inversecut', are you misspelling it?

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Beirdo:

oh... wagnerrp: would you be interested in doing a buildbot slave for freebsd?

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tomimo:

have you guys seen a lot of "multiplex is not available" errors lately with DVB & multirec systems ?

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BobLfoot:

I might have misspelled in my post

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: love to... when i get the hardware to run it on... :)

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Beirdo:

oooh, still borked? ouch

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tomimo:

it seems like the more virtual tuners are enabled per card, the more propable it is to receive this "multiplex is not available" error and missing recordings

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BobLfoot:

yes wagnerrp --inversecut would be the correct nomeclature

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BobLfoot:

and it doesn't take well to $(mythcommflag afilename --getcutlist) for the cutlist spec

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wagnerrp:

BobLfoot: just invert the list when youre in edit mode, and run it normally

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what borked?

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: I missed that option – i can invert in myth kewl

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wagnerrp:

its in the 'm' menu

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BobLfoot:

I'll check it out once I rebuild the borked seektable

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BobLfoot:

my tweaking at commandline somehow hosed the seektable. Oh well nothing life shattering was lost

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BobLfoot:

thanks wagnerrp as always

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wagnerrp:

apparently the new sandybridge chips are an absolute beast for floating point

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rigel:

hi, im having problems with lirc

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rigel:

i only have one transmitter but i have /dev/lirc0 and /dev/lirc1 showing up

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Shadow__X:

and the chipsets are pretty good at leaks too

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rigel:

and whichever one i switch /etc/lirc/hardware.conf to, it doesnt work

[20:10:57]

rigel:

but then reloading lircd and assigning it to the other of the two lirc devices, it will show keypressws in irw

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rigel:

its a usb receiver, so my wild-ass guess is that lircd is loading before the receiver is coming up?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: maybe we should make a wiki to put all this stuff on so we dont keep repeating ourselves... :)

[20:38:05]

Wicked:

anyone in here familiar with how fios works? im trying to find a irc channel to ask some questions. I figured id ask in here since you guys are really smart with tv related technology(and just technology in general)

[20:38:34]

wagnerrp:

i have a general understanding, shoot

[20:38:43]

Wicked:

ok

[20:38:45]

Wicked:

thanks.

[20:39:45]

Wicked:

Anyways. the questions is...i have fios tv/inet/phone. i pay for 15/5 inet...but lately im getting close to 50mbit down and 10mbit up. I read that the tv(NOT on demand) is on a diff wavelength and therefor cannot affect the inet. But the ondemand stuff is iptv which does go over the inet.

[20:40:01]

Wicked:

So im wondering if they extra bandwidth could be due to people use on demand in my house?

[20:40:09]

Wicked:

http://forums.verizon.com/t5/FiOS-Internet/Fi . . . t/m-p/254811

[20:40:14]

Wicked:

is where i got the idea from

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Wicked:

i dont exactly want to call and complain about 35 extra mbits! lol

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wagnerrp:

there are three different wavelengths in use, one for upstream, one for downstream, and one for video

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wagnerrp:

normal cable providers have to share the video bandwidth with data, but thats not the case with fios

[20:42:16]

Wicked:

yea.

[20:42:22]

wagnerrp:

they have the full 870MHz (~5.5gbps) for video

[20:42:26]

Wicked:

mmm

[20:42:28]

Wicked:

lol

[20:42:52]

wagnerrp:

so then the 2.4gbps and 1.2gbps of downstream and upstream is shared among the 32 subscribers on that fiber

[20:43:02]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah

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Wicked:

i originally thought it was a fluke...when it was 1st hooked up we where getting pretty close to the right speeds(~18mbit down and 6up)....but last 2 days...we are getting ~50mbits down and ~8up

[20:43:33]

wagnerrp:

now their boxes use the data lines for communication with their headend

[20:43:40]

wagnerrp:

but i assumed all video was done through the cable lines

[20:43:44]

Wicked:

the guy did say we have the highest priority plug in the fios

[20:43:51]

Wicked:

and that only 3 people are on the line

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wagnerrp:

since they didnt have to share it with data, there should be plenty of bandwidth available in the cable broadcast for on-demand

[20:44:08]

Wicked:

and he also stated that we had a incredibly hot/clean connections

[20:44:48]

wagnerrp:

its possible theyve just unlocked the connections for the full 75mbps per household through their 'last mile'

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Wicked:

well from my understanding...it using a moca router in my house and uses the inet for vod

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wagnerrp:

and put bandwidth restrictions upstream

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wagnerrp:

which would allow you do far exceed your allotted 15mbps for use with in-network stuff

[20:45:22]

wagnerrp:

but thats just speculation

[20:45:31]

Wicked:

yea.

[20:45:40]

Wicked:

ok. well i just got a phone call. i have to head out.

[20:45:42]

wagnerrp:

your internet traffic is doing 50mbps? or benchmarks to their site is doing that?

[20:45:45]

Wicked:

but thanks for the explination :)

[20:45:49]

Wicked:

inet

[20:45:56]

Wicked:

ive tested it on speedtest and speakeasy

[20:46:01]

Wicked:

like 20 times each

[20:46:08]

wagnerrp:

yeah, if youre getting it, and theyre not charging you, dont worry about it

[20:46:10]

Wicked:

consistently getting 40–50mbit down

[20:46:17]

wagnerrp:

just keep an eye on your bill

[20:46:18]

Wicked:

and 6–10up

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Wicked:

yea.

[20:46:37]

Wicked:

well. they offer like 15/5, 25/25 and 50/50

[20:46:51]

Wicked:

so it would seem im still on the 15/5 since im not getting the boost in upstream

[20:46:57]

Wicked:

but yea. will have to keep and eye on the bill

[20:47:15]

Wicked:

again. thanks for the explanation :)

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** wagnerrp anxiously awaits his fiber **

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iamlindoro:

Too bad Verizon has basically halted their expansion of FIOS

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wagnerrp:

my local phone co seems to halted theirs too

[20:48:47]

wagnerrp:

at the top of my f**king street

[20:48:51]

iamlindoro:

At least, a few months ago they had put out a press release saying they had stopped applying for permits for new construction until the economy improves, boooo

[20:49:18]

Beirdo:

oh, I'd be really annoyed

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Beirdo:

not that I can even GET their service in Seattle... stupid should-be-illegal no-compete agreements

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it though

[20:52:13]

wagnerrp:

there hasnt been a peep from the phone company about it

[20:52:23]

wagnerrp:

no advertisements, no anything

[20:52:37]

wagnerrp:

apparently they sell it door-to-door when they actually roll it out to a street

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Beirdo:

well that's lame

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wagnerrp:

theyre intentionally not telling anyone the schedule for it

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wagnerrp:

afraid the cableco will swoop in with deals and discounts

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Beirdo:

of course... as then they'd have to try to meet a schedule too

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wagnerrp:

i honestly dont know what theyre concerned about

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wagnerrp:

once you roll fiber, youre done

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Beirdo:

one would think

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wagnerrp:

if you need to expand, you open up dark fiber, you run more wavelengths down the existing fiber, theres no need for physical expansion

[20:56:20]

wagnerrp:

meanwhile digital cable has used the same modulation and bandwidth limits since they started?

[20:56:36]

wagnerrp:

or were older networks QAM-64?

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wagnerrp:

im just saying fiber has a monstrous amount of bandwidth that in the long run, copper will never be able to match

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sphery:

Steel and aluminum have huge bandwidth, too... Like steel trucks or aluminum aircraft (with HDDs or discs or whatever inside :)

[21:01:04]

iamlindoro:

My running shoes have big bandwidth

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Beirdo:

running shoes + backpack :)

[21:02:34]

Beirdo:

fill it with 3TB drives, that's some pretty reasonable bandwidth for sure

[21:06:22]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: good luck reading data off those hard drives after theyve been bouncing in a backpack

[21:06:38]

Beirdo:

hahah

[21:06:56]

Beirdo:

well... actually, probably OK if packaged fairly, but yeah

[21:07:10]

Beirdo:

OK, backpack full of SSD drives and USB thumb drives?

[21:07:37]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah yeah... real runners really dont have much up/down motion in a proper gait

[21:08:05]

wagnerrp:

but the people around here runn^H^H^H^Hjogging on the streets have no clue how to properly run

[21:08:11]

wagnerrp:

of course for some people, thats a good thing

[21:11:06]

clever:

sphery: overnight shipping might be cheaper then internet soon, http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png

[21:12:02]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

and that's an expensive SSD

[21:12:48]

clever:

only real problem with that idea is the latency

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sphery:

not ideal for "online" gaming

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but gaming shouldnt eat 25gig/month

[21:13:19]

clever:

its only going to hurt things like netflix online

[21:13:22]

clever:

or p2p

[21:13:22]

Beirdo:

neither should much... legal

[21:13:35]

clever:

netflix is legal, but hard on the bandwidth

[21:13:44]

Beirdo:

netflix is available for Canada?

[21:13:50]

Beirdo:

wasn't last I looked

[21:13:55]

clever:

never bothered to check, we already own enough movies

[21:14:22]

clever:

theres probly other services that will run into the same problem and wind up costing you twice to watch

[21:14:28]

Beirdo:

anyways, if it is, just get the ISPs to make netflix unmetered

[21:15:35]

clever:

ive also heard that some ISP's are limiting the download speed from youtube

[21:15:58]

Beirdo:

good idea

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sphery:

heh, nanny mode... After a while, you just get a flash image that says, "Don't you have something better to do with your life?"

[21:18:16]

clever:

i had a windows program a while break, i think it was called break time

[21:18:34]

clever:

after ~15mins of pc use, it would pop up a msg and disable the keyboard/mouse

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wagnerrp:

clever: what if you download your games through some service

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wagnerrp:

stuff i get through steam is always over 5GB these days, sometimes over 10GB

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: easy...

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clever:

wagnerrp: same thing, WoW downloads patches over bit torrent

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wagnerrp:

i would imaging stuff for the PS3 is a lot bigger

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Beirdo:

use your neighbor's wifi

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Beirdo:

that will teach em to leave it open...

[21:21:00]

clever:

the entire game is near 25gig now, a complete download and reinstall would use a month worth of bandwidth

[21:21:05]

Beirdo:

oh wait, that's unethical... and illegal...

[21:21:09]

clever:

then i couldnt play at all without risking over-charges

[21:21:11]

wagnerrp:

multiple people in a household using youtube, or watching apple trailers, or some HULU use

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wagnerrp:

it all eats through bandwidth very quickly

[21:21:39]

Beirdo:

just think of the frat house... all that pr0n will kill them!

[21:22:00]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, and a california judge just ruled that legal!

[21:22:01]

wagnerrp:

:)

[21:23:49]

wagnerrp:

anyway, there are very legitimate ways for a large family to eat up large amounts of bandwidth

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK. Limited number of em, but I'll grant you that

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Beirdo:

although the need for bandwidth increases over time

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MylesMan:

in 0.24 how do i change my osd theme its not in playback anymore

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MylesMan:

?

[21:34:01]

wagnerrp:

there is no OSD theme in 0.24

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MylesMan:

oh

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Beirdo:

no separate OSD theme. it's built-in to the themes now, IIRC

[21:34:54]

wagnerrp:

yep

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MylesMan:

how come

[21:35:07]

MylesMan:

?

[21:35:24]

wagnerrp:

so the theme author can maintain a single theme throughout

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sphery:

because now the UI and the OSD use the same renderer, so they use the same theme

[21:35:36]

sphery:

i.e. it's all just the theme

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MylesMan:

oh i see

[21:35:56]

sphery:

and can share the same UI elements and such

[21:36:02]

MylesMan:

can i enlarge the fonts

[21:36:07]

sphery:

(and more sharing is becoming possible)

[21:36:09]

MylesMan:

of the osd

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wagnerrp:

now UI elements can show up during playback, video elements can show up in the menu

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sphery:

only by editing the theme

[21:36:35]

wagnerrp:

so being able to maintain the theme throughout becomes important

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MylesMan:

my crt-tv blows from a distance

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sphery:

MylesMan: as themes decide how much room is available for stuff on screen, the theme has to specify the font size or things won't fit

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MylesMan:

no it all makes perfect sense architecturally i was just curious

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** wagnerrp just compared Cable Labs to the Vogons on the mailing list **

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MylesMan:

so i have to adjust theme then

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MylesMan:

where are they stored

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wagnerrp:

${PREFIX}/share/mythtv/

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MylesMan:

prefix being ~/

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MylesMan:

?

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wagnerrp:

prefix being whatever you or your distro used with configuring mythtv

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wagnerrp:

unless otherwise specified, mythtv will default to /usr/local

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JEDIDIAH__:

that's insulting to Vogons.

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sphery:

but if you've installed the theme using the theme chooser, it exists in ~/.mythtv/themes

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sphery:

MylesMan: ^^^

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justinh:

<font name="DAFONT" face="Comic Sans MS" pixelsize="220" /> sorted :P

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justinh:

oh crap. only one word fits onscreen now

[21:48:54]

justinh:

hang on – did I read the scrollback right?

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MylesMan:

thx sphery

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justinh:

"video elements can show up in the menu" ?

[21:49:53]

wagnerrp:

if you read that there are no separate OSD themes now, yes

[21:49:58]

justinh:

srsly? :-O

[21:50:19]

sphery:

justinh: just change the size of the given area to 18260x250

[21:50:27]

wagnerrp:

justinh: yes, provided someone write a new OSD widget, yes

[21:50:35]

justinh:

sphery: & it'll add a scrollbar?: ;-)

[21:50:37]

wagnerrp:

erm... video playback widget

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wagnerrp:

the video preview thing

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justinh:

wagnerrp: ah. still waiting for that then

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** justinh adds that to his to-do list ;-) **

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sphery:

justinh: no, this is assuming you're running X at 38400x21600

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justinh:

and the notification widget

[21:52:00]

sphery:

isn't everyone?

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sphery:

High-definition wasn't good enough for me. I run at high-dictionary

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** wagnerrp hasnt bought his barn-sized video wall yet **

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sphery:

it gives me tons more definitions

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justinh:

heheh

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qwerty_:

Anyone run into this before? lirc_serial: this usually means that there is no receiver attached to the selected port

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MylesMan:

my reciever doesnt have a serial port and the channel script i have doesnt work for my model am i stuck w/using two remotes

[21:56:28]

MylesMan:

?

[21:57:01]

MylesMan:

the script was for ir channel ctrl

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justinh:

MylesMan: ?

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MylesMan:

IR channel changing via myth and my tuner card doesnt work on my sat reciever and it doesnt have a serial port

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justinh:

you need to uhh... like read the docs for irsend..

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justinh:

and lirc

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justinh:

and it's BYE BYE fanart on the recordings screen

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justinh:

sod it. again I've tried to live with it & it's not working

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sphery:

why not just stop downloading fan art for TV series--something you have to manually do...

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wagnerrp:

jamu will do it automatically, mythvideo shows of the same name will store fanart in a place the recordings screen can find it

[22:12:30]

sphery:

well, manually meaning you have to set up jamu

[22:12:44]

sphery:

if you're not using the recordings stuff, why use jamu

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: mythtv doesnt support tuners on OSX does it?

[22:19:20]

wagnerrp:

just the HDHR and possibly firewire?

[22:20:41]

mianos:

hdhomerun

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mianos:

no?

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wagnerrp:

i did say that

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mianos:

no I mean HDHR seems HD Homerun

[22:21:35]

mianos:

do a web search on HDHR

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wagnerrp:

means, yes

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, firewire in theoretically supported but I don't believe I got anywhere with it when I tried it

[22:22:40]

mianos:

they are not available with AUs DTV at the moment

[22:22:42]

mianos:

no stock

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: but no USB/PCI/PCIe tuners?

[22:23:24]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

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** kormoc blinks at mianos **

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mianos:

I wanted to get one last month, ordered it and ended up with a dual USB tuner

[22:24:04]

mianos:

no stock at supplier or any distributors

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mianos:

it's all run out

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wagnerrp:

ended up with? you got something other than you ordered?

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kormoc:

wow, I'd return that

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mianos:

no, I ended up with a 'shipped' status and nothing :)

[22:24:39]

mianos:

so I went and bougth a dual tuenr USB

[22:25:33]

mianos:

which, although I had to patch and compile my own driver works very well

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MylesMan:

any bell expressvu users here

[22:26:20]

MylesMan:

?

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sphery:

only thing Iknow about Bell ExpressVu is that users wanting a good lirc config should check out the one in the wiki for the Dish network STBs

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MylesMan:

ok

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MylesMan:

i'll try it

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sphery:

DISHNetworkLIRCConfigutation, IIRC

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MylesMan:

yeah i've it bookmarked

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MylesMan:

lol

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sphery:

anyway, if you were looking for some non-LIRC info, I apoligize for the sidetrack

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Cydd:

i need help with my homework

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kormoc:

Cydd, and I want a pony

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Newbuntu81:

wow 195 ppl...who knew that many ppl even used MythTV!

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xand:

ppl? what

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Newbuntu81:

What's your homework, Cydd.

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Newbuntu81:

ppl=people abbreviated

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kormoc:

Newbuntu81, nice backhanded compliment.

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Newbuntu81:

LOL Kormoc. I'm quite glad there are this many people using MythTV. That means it will be supported for much longer. I was afraid TIVO or Comcast's new merger with NBC might be the end of free services like MythTV.

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kormoc:

Newbuntu81, given we've been around for a decade now, I doubt you have to worry

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Newbuntu81:

Does Red mean it's a private message? Still getting used to Xchat

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kormoc:

Newbuntu81, and given we have nothing to do with Comcast, TIVO, or NBC, what they do doesn't affect us

[22:50:11]

kormoc:

Newbuntu81, no, it means it had your nickname in it

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Newbuntu81:

Well the FCC allowed the Comcast/NBC merger to go through. In time, Comcast/NBC could disallow services like NetFlix from downloading tv episodes created by NBC (it's possible). Who knows what the future holds--we'll find out in 7 years.

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kormoc:

Newbuntu81, we're very widely used out side of the US. Even if the US can't use myth, myth will still have plenty of users

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Newbuntu81:

Good to know.

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Newbuntu81:

So anybody using the HVR 2250 card with Myth? I'm trying to get it working in analog mode. It works for over the air (ATSC).

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MylesMan:

anybody using the dishnetwork lirc?

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MylesMan:

cuz it aint working for me using bell

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Newbuntu81:

I've been reading up on Steven Toth's work and it looks like a week ago someone was trying to further his work of the HVR 2250 driver to function with analog.

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iamlindoro:

I can't imagine what anyone was doing a week ago, the HVR-2250 has supported analog in linux for many months

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Newbuntu81:

I think someone is developing the drivers for analog for 2250. I'll find a link.

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iamlindoro:

no, nobody is "developing" them

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iamlindoro:

there has been analog support for the HVR-2250 for many months

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, don't you know, nothing is ever outdated on the interwebs!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, This is why I never use relative times on the internet :)

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Newbuntu81:

LOL

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Newbuntu81:

Sorry. We can make up a pseudonym for him.

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iamlindoro:

who is "him?"

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iamlindoro:

There is no him

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iamlindoro:

please listen

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iamlindoro:

There's no need to develop analog support for the HVR-2250

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iamlindoro:

it's been available for nearly a year

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laga:

y the toths no working on teh analogs

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Newbuntu81:

iamlindoro, can i PM you?

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iamlindoro:

No

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Newbuntu81:

ok.

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Newbuntu81:

Here's the last I saw of analog being mentioned other than people trying to develop it.

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Newbuntu81:

"Experimental analog support was released by KernelLabs on July 31, 2010. See here for more details related to installing analog support: KernelLabs saa7164 analog "

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Beirdo:

ugh

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iamlindoro:

That's not "trying"

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iamlindoro:

that's writing support, and releasing it

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kormoc:

Newbuntu81, you know it's 2011, right?

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iamlindoro:

According to his nick, he's from January 2008 ;)

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Newbuntu81:

Born in 1981, and I'm new to Ubuntu. :-)

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iamlindoro:

nonetheless, as you quoted, analog support for the HVR-2250 has been available since last July

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iamlindoro:

So compile, install, enjoy

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iamlindoro:

and no, we're not the right channel to help you learn to do that

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iamlindoro:

though they might be able to help in #linuxtv

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kormoc:

%s/able/willing/

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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NeosVortex:

hello guys, just updated my mythbox to the latest release on fedora core 13, and got the following errors, could someone please point me in the right direction

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NeosVortex:

User Notice at /var/www/html/classes/MythBackend.php, line 100:

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NeosVortex:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=23056, backend=63)

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NeosVortex:

User Notice at /var/www/html/classes/MythBackend.php, line 124:

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NeosVortex:

Failed to set php timezone to

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NeosVortex:

User Notice at /var/www/html/classes/MythBackend.php, line 100:

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NeosVortex:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=23056, backend=63)

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NeosVortex:

Warning at /var/www/html/modules/_shared/tmpl/default/header.php, line 16:

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NeosVortex:

Cannot modify header information – headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/html/includes/errors.php:148)

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iamlindoro:

You upgraded your backend, but failed to upgrade mythweb

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iamlindoro:

and USE A PASTEBIN

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NeosVortex:

for 8 lines?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

for anythign greater than two lines

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NeosVortex:

well I upgraded mythweb as well

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iamlindoro:

the logs state otherwise

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NeosVortex:

i even did a rpm -e mythweb --nodeps

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NeosVortex:

then re-installed it

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iamlindoro:

Your mythweb is .23.1, your backend is trunk

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NeosVortex:

i've never had an issue with yum not updating both at the same time

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NeosVortex:

do I have to go outside the yum repo to grab the latest mythweb then?

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MylesMan:

in xterm how do enlarge the font

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iamlindoro:

you'd need to ask your packager

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iamlindoro:

MylesMan, sounds like you want your distro's channel

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MylesMan:

ok

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NeosVortex:

-.-

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NeosVortex:

I'll see what I can do

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NeosVortex:

my mythweb is .24.2

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NeosVortex:

[ben@cinema ~]$ sudo rpm -qa | grep -i mythweb

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NeosVortex:

mythweb-0.24–2.fc13.x86_64

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iamlindoro:

No, it's not

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NeosVortex:

sorry package manager doesn't lie

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iamlindoro:

Your mythweb package may claim to be, but your mythweb is .23.1

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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Beirdo:

that doesn't say 0.24.2

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, care to weigh in?

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Beirdo:

that says 0.24–2

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, "Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=23056, backend=63)"

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NeosVortex:

is there a mythweb.conf that's invalidly set?

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iamlindoro:

no

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NeosVortex:

I'll remove again and install

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iamlindoro:

Your mythweb is .23.1

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NeosVortex:

arning: /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf saved as /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf.rpmsave

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iamlindoro:

period

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kormoc:

yeah, weirdness

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NeosVortex:

---> Package mythweb.x86_64 0:0.24–2.fc13 set to be installed

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Nothing particularly weird, just that mythweb is .23.1, feel free to confirm ;)

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** Beirdo swings a pastebin trout around idly **

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kormoc:

Aye, it's 0.23.1

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iamlindoro:

NeosVortex, ^^

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iamlindoro:

That's from the mythweb dev

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NeosVortex:

http://pastebin.com/1TCGxy16

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NeosVortex:

every package i have is .24 -.-

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iamlindoro:

every package you have *says* .24

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iamlindoro:

that doesn't mean what's getting isntalled is

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Beirdo:

or what's being run (if it's being run from an old install, for instance)

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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iamlindoro:

NeosVortex, in case you didn't understand that part, Beirdo is essentially suggesting that while your package might be installing mythweb in one spot, the mythweb being run might be installed in another

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iamlindoro:

but regardless, the mythweb at issue is undoubtedly .23.1

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iamlindoro:

And no amount of package listing will make it otherwise

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NeosVortex:

so wouldn't that be a mythweb.conf issue then?

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NeosVortex:

like i had asked?

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iamlindoro:

presuming your package was working properly, it shouldn't be

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iamlindoro:

but if your package is broken, sure

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iamlindoro:

essentially, if you are running a mythweb.conf configured for .23.1 pointing at a .23.1 mythweb dir, then your package isn't actually installed/properly installed even if it claims it is.

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