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| [00:03:18] | MylesMan: | sphery do i want to upgrade both schemas? |
| [00:03:51] | sphery: | MylesMan: yes... you'll need to upgrade schemas for TV (which mythbackend or mythtv-setup will do) and all plugins (which the frontend will ask you if it can do) |
| [00:05:41] | MylesMan: | it says there are also other clents using the video schema do i just stop the backend |
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| [00:07:15] | sphery: | MylesMan: other clients would be other frontends, but as long as you're not actively doing mythvideo stuff on any system, it's unimportant |
| [00:07:28] | sphery: | MylesMan: just tell it to upgrade on only one of the frontends |
| [00:07:40] | MylesMan: | i just have one |
| [00:07:42] | sphery: | and restart the other frontends after that one frontend does all the plugin upgrades |
| [00:07:54] | sphery: | ok, well, it's just a guess about whether others are using it |
| [00:07:55] | sphery: | ignore it |
| [00:08:06] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [00:10:12] | sphery: | so, X doesn't like it when KMS doesn't like your video card |
| [00:10:27] | sphery: | was having to click about 1/2 inch above where I saw buttons, etc |
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| [00:25:42] | Telek: | Okay, asking here: I've got a 4 channel Bt878 Video Capture Card, it appears to have 12 video channels multiplexed 3 apiece across each of the capture chips. Is it possible to configure mythtv to support all 12 feeds, record, and display more than 1 feed on-screen at the same time? |
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| [00:26:08] | nutron: | what's the log for the channel? |
| [00:26:14] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [00:26:14] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [00:26:38] | wagnerrp: | Telek: normally, multi-channel brooktree cards are designed for security purposes and are video only, no audio |
| [00:26:50] | nutron: | wagnerrp: thanks |
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| [00:26:53] | wagnerrp: | those are no good for recording TV |
| [00:27:40] | Telek: | I'm well aware. I was asking if mythtv can record off one. It's got 4 audio channels FYI. |
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| [00:28:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can record off basic V4L2 framegrabbers, and brooktree cards fall within that category |
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| [00:28:42] | wagnerrp: | but its preferred to use MPEG encoders, such as the PVR-150 or -500, or the newer HVR-1600 or -2250 |
| [00:29:16] | Telek: | wagnerrp: Any ideas on what to look for in the v4l configuration for the extra channels? |
| [00:29:26] | nutron: | what's #mythtv-bsp ? |
| [00:29:28] | MylesMan: | any bell expressvu users |
| [00:29:30] | wagnerrp: | if you are looking at this card for security purposes, youre better off looking at Zoneminder or Motion |
| [00:29:31] | MylesMan: | ? |
| [00:29:38] | wagnerrp: | nutron: bug squashing party |
| [00:29:49] | wagnerrp: | used once or twice a year prior to feature freeze |
| [00:29:57] | Telek: | wagnerrp: It's already paid for. This is trying to transition from xp to linux. |
| [00:30:25] | nutron: | ahh, fair enough |
| [00:30:46] | wagnerrp: | Telek: you are wanting to capture scheduled TV off your cable/satellite box with this? |
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| [00:31:20] | MylesMan: | i need help configging my remote which already runs the front-end to run my sat-box |
| [00:31:39] | Telek: | wagnerrp: No, just do a straight pull of the video feeds, record to disk, and display on-screen. |
| [00:31:59] | MylesMan: | via the packaged ir cable |
| [00:32:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed for recording scheduled television, there are likely to be better tools for whatever you are attempting if you intend to do something else |
| [00:33:02] | Telek: | wagnerrp: Unfortunately there don't appear to be, which was why I was asking. |
| [00:33:15] | wagnerrp: | Zoneminder? |
| [00:33:48] | Telek: | Nope. It's broken on newer versions of php and hasn't been updated in over a year. |
| [00:34:12] | Telek: | Plus being web based it doesn't offer a good multi-feed display |
| [00:34:49] | wagnerrp: | well neither does MythTV for what its worth |
| [00:35:01] | Telek: | Okay, thanks anyways. |
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| [00:35:48] | ** wagnerrp wonders how you get 'security system' out of 'mythtv' ** | |
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| [00:39:03] | sphery: | closest we have is picture in picture and picture by picture, which are huge processor drains and dont' work in current mythtv |
| [00:39:09] | wagnerrp: | he left |
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| [00:39:17] | sphery: | heh, yeah, guess so |
| [00:39:24] | sphery: | probably for the best |
| [00:39:37] | MylesMan: | where do i put channel change scripts |
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| [00:39:46] | sphery: | mythtv isn't really appropriate for the wall-o-video |
| [00:39:48] | wagnerrp: | somewhere mythbackend can access them |
| [00:40:01] | sphery: | MylesMan: anywhere you like--just make sure to include the full path when you specify the script |
| [00:40:04] | wagnerrp: | you define the absolute path to the script when you tell mythtv to use it |
| [00:40:12] | nutron: | MylesMan: probably under /usr/local/bin .. unless your distro is somehow different. |
| [00:40:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know if it has to be executable? |
| [00:40:33] | wagnerrp: | in theory, it shouldnt |
| [00:40:40] | MylesMan: | it's ubuntu |
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| [00:40:43] | nutron: | wagnerrp: it does I thought |
| [00:40:43] | wagnerrp: | we wrap everything with 'sh -c ' |
| [00:40:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: don't know... I think with the old code we were using sh /path/to/script... |
| [00:40:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:41:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: we are in the new code too, unless you explicitly say otherwise |
| [00:41:14] | MylesMan: | and where do i specify the file |
| [00:41:16] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:41:16] | nutron: | oh? <lisp> sheckshi </lisp> |
| [00:41:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup |
| [00:41:27] | sphery: | MylesMan: in the input connections screen |
| [00:41:31] | MylesMan: | what |
| [00:41:38] | wagnerrp: | who? |
| [00:41:41] | sphery: | of mythtv-setup |
| [00:41:46] | MylesMan: | where |
| [00:41:49] | sphery: | we're working as a teem, here |
| [00:41:54] | MylesMan: | lol |
| [00:41:56] | sphery: | gotta follow all of us |
| [00:42:03] | MylesMan: | thx guys |
| [00:42:04] | sphery: | mythtv-setup, input connections |
| [00:42:12] | sphery: | select input, edit external channel change script |
| [00:42:22] | MylesMan: | can i name it w/e |
| [00:42:26] | MylesMan: | then |
| [00:42:34] | nutron: | heh, I'm just the guy with the lithp.. don't need to lithen to me really |
| [00:42:42] | sphery: | yep, whatever you like, as long as you use the same name on the file system and in mythtv-setup |
| [00:42:42] | nutron: | I'm just here for comedic effect |
| [00:42:55] | sphery: | nutron: no, all of us |
| [00:43:00] | sphery: | you're part of the team, too |
| [00:43:17] | nutron: | I'm writing an email to -users... I probably won't be soon :P |
| [00:43:28] | sphery: | wait... |
| [00:43:32] | sphery: | no complaining! |
| [00:43:38] | sphery: | besides, it's wagnerrp's fault |
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| [00:43:54] | sphery: | and there goes the team... |
| [00:44:03] | wagnerrp: | I know nothing! |
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| [00:44:18] | nutron: | nah, just observations :/ |
| [00:44:20] | Shadow__X: | should i use a specific revision of 0.24 fixes on osx? Or should i be able to get a successful build against the latest one |
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| [00:44:21] | nutron: | are those complaints? |
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| [00:44:41] | nutron: | err.. are those considered complaints? :) |
| [00:45:21] | sphery: | depends on what kind of mood I'm in when I read the mail |
| [00:45:26] | schultz is now known as wagnerrp | |
| [00:46:08] | nutron: | heh |
| [00:46:20] | ** nutron mails sphery some vicodin ** | |
| [00:46:38] | ** wagnerrp is confused... ** | |
| [00:46:41] | wagnerrp: | what is this email about? |
| [00:46:48] | nutron: | just observations |
| [00:47:07] | nutron: | spent a while on the other "media centers" on winbloze... saw differences etc.. |
| [00:47:14] | nutron: | it's friendly |
| [00:47:52] | wagnerrp: | if theyre real, thought out suggestions... and not just 'you should do this better' |
| [00:47:58] | wagnerrp: | it will be taken as intended |
| [00:48:27] | nutron: | nah, i know the drill |
| [00:48:42] | MylesMan: | is it a do txt |
| [00:48:49] | MylesMan: | or |
| [00:48:58] | MylesMan: | dot txt* |
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| [00:49:46] | nutron: | MylesMan: call it whatever you like... stb-number-1-channel-change-script would work just as well as stb-cc no extension is really required, again up to you |
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| [00:51:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, the annoying thing is that my 160GB and 300GB and 750GB and 1.5TB HDDs have been dying off, but the old 13GB UDMA/33 drives just won't die... |
| [00:52:18] | sphery: | and do you know how long it takes to copy a 10GiB file system off a UDMA/33 drive |
| [00:52:29] | sphery: | (to a different UDMA/33 drive) |
| [00:52:58] | nutron: | heh, i just took down a server which had 20 250gb seagate 7200.10's.. all worked fine, took out each one, and ran them through bb, only 3 remain.. all of them had problems... which I found quite odd |
| [00:53:03] | MylesMan: | is it the external channel change command box? |
| [00:53:04] | Shadow__X: | faster than it would be from a cheap thumbdrive |
| [00:53:12] | sphery: | bb? |
| [00:53:16] | nutron: | sphery: bad blocks |
| [00:53:20] | sphery: | ahh |
| [00:53:22] | Beirdo: | as in a BB gun? |
| [00:53:24] | sphery: | yeah, I'm sure these may have some |
| [00:53:36] | sphery: | heh, a BB gun would probably have made them all not work |
| [00:53:52] | nutron: | I think the heat kept them going as the uptime on that server was just over 3 years. |
| [00:53:54] | Beirdo: | bad blocks aren't the end of hte world as long as there's still space in the reserve |
| [00:54:00] | sphery: | I wonder when I bought these drives |
| [00:54:04] | nutron: | smart never complained, not until I tested each individually |
| [00:54:07] | sphery: | I'm guessing it was 2001 kind of timeframe |
| [00:54:24] | sphery: | nutron: oh, yeah... don't get me started on SMART |
| [00:54:27] | nutron: | Beirdo: aye, no space left, some of the controller boards fried too |
| [00:54:32] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [00:54:43] | nutron: | sphery: heh trust me, I feel the same |
| [00:54:44] | Beirdo: | out of warranty, I presume? |
| [00:54:45] | sphery: | every single HDD failure I've ever had occurred before any SMART warnings |
| [00:54:51] | nutron: | absolutely out of warranty, yep |
| [00:55:09] | Beirdo: | they should call it stupidd, not smartd |
| [00:55:17] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [00:55:24] | nutron: | sphery: do you have smartd emailing you? I've had a few successful warning before pending doom. |
| [00:55:28] | sphery: | or SMART-*** technology |
| [00:55:47] | sphery: | nutron: I gave up on that a while back |
| [00:55:53] | Beirdo: | the only thing it's good for in my experience is graphing drive temperatures, and running periodic background self-tests |
| [00:55:57] | sphery: | so it's possible newer drives do better about admitting failure |
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| [00:56:59] | wagnerrp: | if i knew my way around cacti better, i would be graphing my drive temperatures with SMART |
| [00:57:07] | sphery: | I just figured since my warning was generally the screeching or clicking of the drive some days/weeks before total failure--and SMART wasn't saying anything on those drives--that it wasn't worth having SMART email me |
| [00:57:27] | nutron: | wagnerrp: I do that, on all the servers |
| [00:57:28] | wagnerrp: | but i could never get the inputs working properly |
| [00:57:31] | Beirdo: | my warning was usually the RAID card saying "WTH? where's that drive?!" |
| [00:57:49] | nutron: | the workstations are all diskless so no need there. |
| [00:58:05] | wagnerrp: | nutron: it should have been fairly trivial, my RAID card provides all that data straight onto the network over SNMP (it has its own network port) |
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| [00:58:47] | nutron: | sphery: hah I see yeah, I've found the clicking is 90% of the time by power. |
| [00:58:57] | nutron: | wagnerrp: oh for sure, that's a 3 minute job then |
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| [00:59:20] | nutron: | gah! I can't form a complete thought when writing and irc'ing :P |
| [00:59:21] | sphery: | nutron: caused by bad power supply or? |
| [00:59:53] | nutron: | sphery: not enough amps, I've only proved it on two drives (well watts too, but that's what I was measuring).. and yes, bad power |
| [01:00:11] | nutron: | bad power supply.. gah |
| [01:01:18] | sphery: | hmmm... if that's the case, I'm worried about my remote mythtv backend |
| [01:01:24] | wagnerrp: | nutron, sphery: yeah... my drives click when theres not enough power |
| [01:01:43] | sphery: | it's the last one to have a screech-click fail (and it has a nice 80 PLUS PSU) |
| [01:01:58] | wagnerrp: | never a 'screech', just a click |
| [01:01:59] | sphery: | oh, no, wait, it was my mbe (but also 80 PLUS) |
| [01:02:14] | nutron: | yeah just clicks... I've never hard a drive screech :/ |
| [01:02:23] | nutron: | that sounds toast or very close to it |
| [01:02:26] | sphery: | I think the screech on this one was some problem with the bearings/rotation |
| [01:02:28] | ** Beirdo needs to find himself a Franklin Planner refill. Hmmmm. ** | |
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| [01:02:48] | nutron: | Beirdo: it's called producteev.com :P |
| [01:03:05] | ** nutron scurries away ** | |
| [01:03:09] | Beirdo: | I use the real thing. |
| [01:03:11] | sphery: | which could also explain clicks (in the constant errors read after a head crash causing bad sectors, such that the controller keeps resetting?) |
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| [01:03:39] | nutron: | Beirdo: but what about the ink trees? ... being milked for your writing pleasure? |
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| [01:03:49] | Beirdo: | they like it |
| [01:03:55] | nutron: | lol! |
| [01:03:56] | wagnerrp: | my keyboard is starting to get flakey |
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| [01:04:06] | wagnerrp: | wonder if its dying... or just low on battery |
| [01:04:21] | nutron: | sphery: that could be it, power supply could be causing your issues |
| [01:04:51] | sphery: | I'll have to kill-a-watt the system, again, when I replace that HDD |
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| [01:05:13] | sphery: | but it seems I'm well within overall power usage specs |
| [01:05:33] | sphery: | don't know how to test individual HDD currents |
| [01:06:43] | nutron: | do you have one of those clamp ammeters? |
| [01:06:47] | nutron: | or multimeters? |
| [01:07:04] | sphery: | I have a multimeter with probes |
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| [01:08:16] | wagnerrp: | 1080x680? WTF did they get that one? |
| [01:09:05] | sphery: | strange choice, but basically 16:10 |
| [01:09:17] | sphery: | (1080x675 = 16:10) |
| [01:09:29] | Beirdo: | "oh crap, I thought that was 1080i" |
| [01:09:38] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:11:29] | wagnerrp: | 1920x1080@65 |
| [01:12:21] | sphery: | 65? fps? |
| [01:12:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's 5 better |
| [01:12:50] | sphery: | heh |
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| [01:13:17] | wagnerrp: | my tv goes up to 65 |
| [01:13:52] | awalls: | Didn't VESA monitors go up to 72? |
| [01:14:11] | sphery: | but why would you choose that for video? |
| [01:14:28] | wagnerrp: | and why would you attempt it on something that is clearly a TV |
| [01:14:38] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:14:40] | wagnerrp: | (a 46" Sharp in this case) |
| [01:14:49] | sphery: | it would never match video frame rate |
| [01:15:06] | sphery: | unless you created a strange video just to prove me wrong |
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| [01:15:50] | sphery: | 6 more GB to write |
| [01:15:53] | sphery: | slow... |
| [01:16:05] | wagnerrp: | awalls: im table-ifying our horrid mess of modelines on the wiki |
| [01:16:15] | wagnerrp: | i would just delete them, and say USE YOUR EDID |
| [01:16:19] | wagnerrp: | but people would complain |
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| [01:16:24] | wagnerrp: | so im cleaning them up instead |
| [01:16:38] | awalls: | Ah. |
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| [01:16:49] | awalls: | BTW, 65 = 5x13 |
| [01:17:08] | nutron: | sorry sphery phone call |
| [01:17:22] | awalls: | so maybe its something about using relatively prime numbers |
| [01:17:28] | nutron: | umm, so what I have is one of those clamp multimeters ($8.00 at the chinese tool place) |
| [01:17:32] | sphery: | awalls: heh |
| [01:17:43] | sphery: | awalls: Grade A Prime video |
| [01:18:04] | nutron: | place it over the 12v wire and power up the drive, you'll get the amp pull measurement through the 12v rail, do the same for the 5v, do the math and you have your draw |
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| [01:18:43] | wagnerrp: | math? |
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| [01:21:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:22:17] | sphery: | wonder if it's possible to get a clamp to put into a "normal" probe-type multimeter |
| [01:22:50] | mianos: | sure |
| [01:22:54] | nutron: | sphery: I've never seen one |
| [01:23:14] | mianos: | you just have to manually calculate them |
| [01:23:14] | wagnerrp: | all the clamp is going to do is pick up a current from the magnetic field |
| [01:23:23] | mianos: | I think the one I had was 100Mv per amp |
| [01:23:29] | wagnerrp: | a nice bridge circuit and you convert the current to a voltage |
| [01:23:31] | mianos: | it had a little watch battery in it though |
| [01:23:35] | wagnerrp: | which you measure with the probe ports |
| [01:23:39] | rooaus1: | sphery: Yeah, sure can. Usually give a mV output per mA or similar. |
| [01:23:40] | mianos: | 100mV |
| [01:23:45] | mianos: | haha not 100MV |
| [01:23:47] | nutron: | wagnerrp: oh cool |
| [01:23:54] | nutron: | MEGAVOLT! |
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| [01:24:11] | sphery: | wasn't that the bad guy in some animated show? :) |
| [01:24:21] | ** nutron starts humming some random 80's cliched cartoon intro ** | |
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| [01:24:21] | wagnerrp: | was megavolt ever a villain on a tv show? |
| [01:24:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i think youre thinking of 'megabyte' |
| [01:24:38] | sphery: | # Megavolt is a villain in the Disney animated series Darkwing Duck. |
| [01:24:41] | awalls: | um Megatron |
| [01:24:44] | sphery: | # Megavolt is a villain in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) |
| [01:24:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: was thinking of Megamind, actually :) |
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| [01:25:01] | nutron: | lol! trademark infringement... discuss! |
| [01:25:15] | wagnerrp: | really... i dont remember a megavolt in darkwing duck |
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| [01:25:24] | mianos: | but considering you can get a whole digital current probe for 20 bucks from dealextreme shipped |
| [01:25:31] | nutron: | wagnerrp: wasn't he the stupid rat with the silly helmet? |
| [01:25:43] | nutron: | mianos: link me |
| [01:25:45] | wagnerrp: | its been like 15 years since ive seen that show |
| [01:25:52] | mianos: | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/1-3-lcd-handheld . . . -2-aaa-42272 |
| [01:25:54] | nutron: | he had a lithp! |
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| [01:26:29] | nutron: | mianos: thanks |
| [01:26:35] | sphery: | 3.5GB to do |
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| [01:26:43] | nutron: | i paid 8.00 for that last year :P |
| [01:26:49] | sphery: | wondering if one/both of the drives is actually PIO/4 or something |
| [01:26:50] | nutron: | silly recession and china |
| [01:27:03] | mianos: | DX is not always the best place to get stuff too |
| [01:27:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: why are you trying to pull off these things? |
| [01:27:26] | sphery: | heh, just the leftover drives I had available for setting up a system |
| [01:27:28] | mianos: | ok http://www.dealextreme.com/p/auto-range-clamp . . . t3266l-14866 |
| [01:27:34] | mianos: | 11.82 |
| [01:27:39] | mianos: | not quite 8 |
| [01:27:54] | sphery: | for some reason those dealextreme links are just spinning for me |
| [01:28:07] | wagnerrp: | works for me |
| [01:28:30] | nutron: | hmm that last one's spinning for me too. |
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| [01:28:40] | rooaus1: | http://au.element14.com/_/cp-09/probe-current . . . a/dp/1003036 is a high (only 200A) current clamp but you can get different ranges. |
| [01:28:43] | nutron: | ctrl-shit-r to the rescue |
| [01:28:47] | nutron: | err shift.. |
| [01:29:37] | sphery: | cool, that one works |
| [01:29:52] | wagnerrp: | oh no, /only/ 200A |
| [01:30:18] | sphery: | I get the site icon for dx |
| [01:30:40] | wagnerrp: | certainly plenty for any consumer application |
| [01:30:41] | sphery: | they must not serve my kind |
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| [01:32:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I tried using traceroute and found that there are several people on that web site with slower net connections than I have |
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| [01:32:51] | rooaus1: | wagnerrp: Oh for consumer it is overkill, was mainly try to indicate although it was high for domestic it isn't for industrial (which most of the devices are for). |
| [01:32:56] | nutron: | Hmm I wonder if there's a problem with 32bit words in my ethernet driver .. or .. uhh... it's told me it has uploaded 32 tibibytes in 264 days... that works out to 121 gigs a day which my uplink can't handle at 3mbps |
| [01:33:42] | sphery: | tibibits, perhaps? |
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| [01:34:15] | nutron: | 31.9 TiB is what it shows |
| [01:34:36] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [01:34:37] | sphery: | weird |
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| [01:35:17] | nutron: | yeah I'll chalk it up to weird and move on |
| [01:35:18] | nutron: | :P |
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| [01:37:40] | sphery: | heh |
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| [01:37:45] | sphery: | yeah, I do the same, often |
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| [01:39:20] | sphery: | nutron: heh, I'm definitely a much smaller user of 'net than you. On my system (64 days uptime): RX bytes:324279713 (309.2 Mb) TX bytes:2802726275 (2672.8 Mb) |
| [01:39:44] | sphery: | they do say Mb, but if RX bytes really is bytes, that's MiB |
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| [01:45:12] | nutron: | sphery: this was my email server... unless someone in the office is running a porn-by-email sorta business, I can't see how that's even possible |
| [01:45:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:45:56] | sphery: | yeah, TiB is a lot of 'net usage |
| [01:46:20] | kormoc: | meh, just a day's worth |
| [01:46:21] | nutron: | sphery: aye, I did a double take, it says what it means... the significant RX bytes: saying 33747750780197 is pretty umm lots? |
| [01:46:22] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
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| [01:47:14] | nutron: | kormoc: bittorrent does chew up a lot |
| [01:47:16] | ** nutron ducks ** | |
| [01:47:48] | nutron: | heh i even run a bittorrent client at the office... distribuiting apt sources and debian iso images |
| [01:47:51] | nutron: | yay for legal |
| [01:48:08] | kormoc: | nutron, heh, I can barely break 1 tb a day, it'd be impressive to do that multiple days in a row |
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| [01:48:54] | nutron: | kormoc: doesn't look like it was ivtv... i re-arranged my cards as 4-2-3–1 and haven't had a lockup since... it's still weird but I'll let it record for a week see if it drops out |
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| [01:49:35] | kormoc: | weird |
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| [01:49:45] | nutron: | but 2 was the major culprit and 1 dropped out once in a while... 2 is in the same spot and isn't dying... gotta be some sort of deadlock :/ how or what, I don't know |
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| [01:50:58] | nutron: | yeah, the sad part is... I'm going to be running the exact same motherboard for a slave backend, and a different frontend... the fun doesn't cease here! |
| [01:51:11] | kormoc: | heh |
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| [01:52:00] | nutron: | I should really invest in server hardware for ... servers. Though it's at home, and Tyan's really been pickpocketing me lately |
| [01:52:32] | kormoc: | supermicro! ;) |
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| [01:53:58] | Twiggy2cents: | without changing anything(except for updates), my status page has stopped responding(I have restarted mythbackend) It shows an error in mythweb and doesnt come up directly either. Is there anything important to look for? |
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| [01:54:18] | kormoc: | Twiggy2cents, what's the error? |
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| [01:54:44] | Twiggy2cents: | http://pastebin.com/wN16Hrys |
| [01:55:22] | kormoc: | that says that the ip is wrong, the backend isn't running, the backend is behind a firewall, or something similar |
| [01:55:49] | wagnerrp: | can you hit http://<backend>:6544/ directly? |
| [01:56:00] | Twiggy2cents: | nope |
| [01:56:08] | Twiggy2cents: | That ip is static and that is over lan |
| [01:56:50] | sphery: | backend log file? |
| [01:56:59] | sphery: | look for something about thread pool exhausted |
| [01:57:08] | sphery: | or some other network error |
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| [02:00:01] | Twiggy2cents: | spherry I didnt see anything |
| [02:00:30] | sphery: | and the backend is in fact still running? |
| [02:00:36] | sphery: | have you tried restarting it? |
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| [02:01:16] | Twiggy2cents: | Will mythbackend setup mess up a currently recording episode |
| [02:01:28] | Twiggy2cents: | sphery, correct it is still running and fully functional |
| [02:01:34] | Twiggy2cents: | It has been restarted |
| [02:01:43] | Twiggy2cents: | It hasent worked for a while |
| [02:01:53] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: no, it will warn you if the backend is already running, and give you the option to continue or shut it down |
| [02:02:06] | wagnerrp: | but most of what you set will not take effect until you restart the backend |
| [02:02:09] | wagnerrp: | HOWEVER |
| [02:02:10] | Twiggy2cents: | Man I need two tuners.... I have to watch supernatural so I can record fringe. Life is rough |
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| [02:02:25] | wagnerrp: | if you are running mythbuntu, their wrapper scripts WILL automatically terminate the backend |
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| [02:03:20] | Twiggy2cents: | hmm my backend IS running mythbuntu. even mythtv-setup will cause the wrapper scripts to kill the backend? |
| [02:04:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup IS a wrapper script on ubuntu |
| [02:04:20] | wagnerrp: | they moved the setup program elsewhere |
| [02:04:24] | wagnerrp: | and the wrapper script calls it |
| [02:04:24] | Twiggy2cents: | doh |
| [02:04:46] | Twiggy2cents: | So I will just wait till the end of the hour and check then |
| [02:04:55] | Twiggy2cents: | There is an option to turn the status page on and off right? |
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| [02:06:12] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [02:06:33] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to turn it off? |
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| [02:07:06] | mianos: | CPU Temperature: +64.0°C |
| [02:07:08] | mianos: | oh dear |
| [02:07:15] | Twiggy2cents: | I just wanted to make sure it was on since it doesnt work. I saw somethign about it. Is there an option to change the ip for the status page? |
| [02:07:20] | mianos: | hottest day of the year and I fired off some commercial detection |
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| [02:07:26] | mianos: | on my passive box |
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| [02:07:36] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: yes, you change the IP address that the backend listens on |
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| [02:08:10] | Twiggy2cents: | okay I will check that make sure something/somebody didnt accidently change it. Gotta keep up with the gremlins |
| [02:08:33] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: if someone/something changed it, your frontend would no longer be able to connect to your backend |
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| [02:08:48] | Twiggy2cents: | because of the status page port? |
| [02:08:53] | Twiggy2cents: | Thats what I meant to say |
| [02:08:58] | Twiggy2cents: | sorry for wrong terminology |
| [02:09:01] | wagnerrp: | because of the backend server ip |
| [02:09:17] | wagnerrp: | that page just listens on the backend server ip |
| [02:09:26] | wagnerrp: | the same one the frontend pulls to know what to connect to |
| [02:09:55] | wagnerrp: | WTF... people are putting TV definitions into the modeline database page... without modelines |
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| [02:16:03] | Twiggy2cents: | I have a question, if I update mythtv(throught an ubuntu package manager) does it restart mythtv, does it update it while it runs, does it run the current version until its restarted? |
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| [02:16:59] | [R]: | Twiggy2cents: the ubuntu packages will stop the backend during hte upgrade |
| [02:17:00] | wagnerrp: | any sensible linux package manager will update in-place, while mythtv continues to run |
| [02:17:03] | [R]: | but the frontend stays the same |
| [02:17:27] | wagnerrp: | note that any external calls such as mythfilldatabase or mythpreviewgen would be the new version |
| [02:17:29] | [R]: | and consequently start the backend when its done |
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| [02:17:34] | wagnerrp: | why does it stop the backend? |
| [02:17:40] | [R]: | wagnerrp: why not? |
| [02:17:45] | [R]: | hehe |
| [02:17:58] | wagnerrp: | because there is no reason to |
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| [02:18:07] | [R]: | i think its stadnard practice for htem to restart any daemon you upgrade |
| [02:18:14] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason to /try/ to be like windows |
| [02:18:18] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:18:55] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, would there ever be a reason to? |
| [02:19:00] | Twiggy2cents: | so... it either does or it doesnt? |
| [02:19:08] | [R]: | [07:16:58] [R] Twiggy2cents: the ubuntu packages will stop the backend during hte upgrade |
| [02:19:19] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: i build and install new versions of mythtv underneath a running backend all the time |
| [02:19:28] | Twiggy2cents: | thank you [R] |
| [02:19:36] | wagnerrp: | when im ready, 20 seconds and the new version is started and running |
| [02:19:41] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, what about backend code changes? |
| [02:19:51] | wagnerrp: | what about them? |
| [02:19:58] | tgm4883: | wouldn't that require a backend restart? |
| [02:20:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, once its installed, i can restart at my leisure |
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| [02:20:49] | tgm4883: | I see your point, but thats kinda what it does right now |
| [02:20:54] | tgm4883: | just restarts the backend process |
| [02:21:04] | tgm4883: | which is what you would probably want to do during an upgrade? |
| [02:21:14] | wagnerrp: | at some point after the upgrade, yes |
| [02:21:17] | mihanson: | I am having a problem getting mythweb working. Hoping someone can help. The details: arch: ARM (guruplug armv5te) OS: Custom (mostly Plugapps.com with some custom packages) Software: Lighttpd 1.4.28 (I know not officially supported, but it's worked well in the past), PHP 5.3.5 with Suhosin patch, MythTV 0.24-fixes (git cloned yesterday). Symptoms: White page loads with 2 "MythTV" links upper left. Links point to "h |
| [02:21:17] | mihanson: | ttp://guruplug/mythweb/root_url". root_url is defined in includes/defines.php. I have tried the modules_path symlink fix with no success. I have googled my brains out since yesterday and I can find users with what sounds like my issue, but they all seem to be fixed with the aforementioned symlink. Lighty logs are clean. I made a simple index.html file in the web root that lighty loads just fine, so lighty is workin |
| [02:21:18] | mihanson: | g. Does anyone have any ideas of what I should be looking for? |
| [02:21:33] | wagnerrp: | but like in Twiggy2cents's case, if im recording something, i would want to wait until its done |
| [02:21:38] | MylesMan: | my menu layout is all messed up (watch live tv is in utilities |
| [02:22:07] | MylesMan: | how do i revert |
| [02:22:18] | wagnerrp: | mihanson: why bother running mythweb on a guruplug if it has to access a backend running elsewhere? |
| [02:22:19] | Twiggy2cents: | Another question, if it was recording something and I updated at the same time, would it still kill the backend or would it wait/fail |
| [02:22:24] | MylesMan: | to the default |
| [02:22:31] | wagnerrp: | why not just run apache on the more powerful backend machine elsewhere |
| [02:22:41] | [R]: | Twiggy2cents: the packagsd always stop the backend |
| [02:22:44] | mihanson: | wagnerrp: It runs on an eSATA connected HDD. |
| [02:22:46] | Twiggy2cents: | okay |
| [02:22:49] | Twiggy2cents: | good to know |
| [02:22:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ok, but I think for the majority of people, they would want to restart the backend at that time. Usually our users are doing an update to try and fix something |
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| [02:24:04] | mihanson: | wagnerrp: I don't want to have an electron sucking machine running 24/7. I'd rather suck just 7w instead of 150w+ |
| [02:24:32] | wagnerrp: | but mythweb wont do anything if it cant access the backend |
| [02:24:52] | mihanson: | wagnerrp: the guru is the backend. :) |
| [02:25:16] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have the power to run the backend |
| [02:25:26] | mihanson: | Sure it does |
| [02:25:26] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [02:25:28] | wagnerrp: | theres not even enough power to run mysql at any decent speed |
| [02:25:36] | mihanson: | I was doing it with 0.23 for months |
| [02:26:08] | wagnerrp: | not sure what youre using that sucks down 150W either |
| [02:26:39] | wagnerrp: | you can make a nice i5 desktop idle at under 30W |
| [02:26:53] | wagnerrp: | you can get a mac mini with a powerful core2duo that idles under 10W |
| [02:26:56] | mianos: | D525 29W RMS from the power point :) |
| [02:27:10] | mianos: | watching TV and recoding |
| [02:27:13] | mianos: | recording |
| [02:27:23] | wagnerrp: | not sure why you would want to run your backend on an underpowered Atom either |
| [02:27:45] | mianos: | seems to go OK |
| [02:27:55] | mianos: | 18GHz 2 core 2 threads |
| [02:28:12] | mianos: | I have an AMD server so I could run a backend or ssh transcode jobs over there too |
| [02:28:15] | wagnerrp: | slow guide data handling, slow database queries, slow commercial flagging |
| [02:28:22] | mianos: | if I haev any issues with anything getting behind |
| [02:28:32] | mihanson: | wagnerrp: I truely appreciate any insight you have, but I was not asking about what the best hardware was. I was hoping for some help with mythweb. |
| [02:28:48] | mianos: | fast guide, fast database access, medium commercial flagging |
| [02:28:49] | wagnerrp: | as you mentioned, lighthttpd is not officially supported |
| [02:28:56] | sphery: | and one of the devs here has clocked his combined frontend/backend Mac Mini C2D (which is an older model with 13W idle) at averaging 16W over time |
| [02:29:02] | wagnerrp: | not likely youre going to find more than 2–3 people in here who has ever tried |
| [02:29:19] | ** wagnerrp is in the other 187 users who havent ** | |
| [02:29:26] | mianos: | this is 3W idle but I'm not on top of the S4 yet |
| [02:29:31] | mianos: | few issues |
| [02:30:04] | sphery: | cpu is likely 3W idle |
| [02:30:09] | sphery: | the system is more likely 20+ |
| [02:30:20] | mianos: | the whole system is 3W |
| [02:30:28] | mianos: | I have a power point RMS pwoer meter |
| [02:30:35] | mihanson: | wagnerrp: So you have no suggestions other than change hardware? |
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| [02:30:56] | wagnerrp: | change hardware, so you can afford to use the vastly more tested apache, yes |
| [02:31:12] | mihanson: | thanks for your time |
| [02:31:25] | wagnerrp: | glad to point you towards the light |
| [02:31:29] | mianos: | ah sorry |
| [02:31:35] | mianos: | yes 3W is S4 not idle |
| [02:31:39] | mianos: | idle is 30W |
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| [02:31:45] | mianos: | I missunderstood that line |
| [02:32:01] | wagnerrp: | mianos: the desktop atoms dont really ever idle |
| [02:32:06] | mianos: | 29W idle 31–32 working |
| [02:32:15] | sphery: | yeah, suspend at 3W makes more sense |
| [02:32:20] | wagnerrp: | in order to cut down on transistor count to make them as dirt cheap as possible |
| [02:32:20] | mianos: | 34 commercial flagging |
| [02:32:30] | wagnerrp: | the ripped out all the power gating |
| [02:32:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but intel marketing says they're low-power-usage, so they must be! |
| [02:32:44] | mianos: | yes, there is no throttling |
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| [02:32:58] | wagnerrp: | so idle and full load are about the same |
| [02:33:11] | mianos: | in my experience looking at it the last few days yes |
| [02:33:49] | wagnerrp: | when youre spending $60/mo on FIOS, why are you so stickler about that last 20W that an ARM will get you over an x86 chip? |
| [02:34:14] | sphery: | mianos: the goal of low-power usage is actually a good one, but, unfortunately, Intel is telling people to go about it the wrong way. (Note, though, that I'm a confirmed Atom hater.) |
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| [02:34:33] | wagnerrp: | thats assuming hes not paying double that for phone and cable service as well |
| [02:34:33] | sphery: | that said, if your atom system meets your needs, it's good enough |
| [02:35:08] | wagnerrp: | its good enough if you dont have a lot of channels or tuners, and you dont intend to do commflagging or transcoding |
| [02:35:33] | wagnerrp: | a lot of channels and tuners... your scheduler runs are going to go through the roof |
| [02:35:39] | sphery: | yeah, I should say, "good enough /for you/" |
| [02:35:49] | sphery: | so as to imply that it's not a good system to recommend to others |
| [02:35:54] | sphery: | as so many on the list do |
| [02:36:40] | wagnerrp: | but the sheeva/guruplugs? not really good for much of anything |
| [02:37:20] | sphery: | agreed on that |
| [02:37:22] | mianos: | for me it's good and I have other machines on the network for transcoding |
| [02:37:36] | sphery: | atom makes more sense than the *plugs |
| [02:37:50] | wagnerrp: | then just skip the atom all together, and shovel your backend onto one of the other machines |
| [02:38:09] | sphery: | especially if the other machines are on 24/7, anyway |
| [02:38:25] | sphery: | and if not, then you could set them up to shut down when not in use |
| [02:38:33] | sphery: | which is, by far, the best way to get good power savings |
| [02:39:46] | wagnerrp: | 10% duty cycle would be just as good as cutting a 300W beast down to your 30W atom |
| [02:39:56] | sphery: | yep |
| [02:40:11] | wagnerrp: | thats two hours of recording per night, plus some overlap |
| [02:40:28] | sphery: | and a 150W (still rather beasty system) at 10% is better than a 24/7 30W atom |
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| [02:41:06] | wagnerrp: | and while you can do the same with the atom, youre saving maybe $25/yr to do so |
| [02:45:18] | nutron: | Your Globalscale Technologies product (the ?Product?) is warranted by Globalscale Technologies to be free from defects in material and workmanship for a period of one month from the date of shipment (the ?Warranty Period?) .. lol screw the guruplug |
| [02:45:49] | nutron: | I'd walk away from that in a heartbeat. |
| [02:45:50] | MylesMan: | my menu layout is all messed up (watch live tv is in utilities) is there a way to fix this |
| [02:45:53] | sphery: | heh, better get the express shipping option :) |
| [02:46:14] | sphery: | MylesMan: choose the menu theme you want in mythfrontend settings |
| [02:46:14] | nutron: | MylesMan: set it in setup, there's an option for type of menu. This is done on your frontend of course. |
| [02:46:27] | nutron: | sphery: you said it better |
| [02:46:39] | nutron: | MylesMan: ignore the guy with the lithp |
| [02:46:39] | sphery: | heh, pretty much the same |
| [02:46:51] | MylesMan: | oh is that what that does :P |
| [02:46:59] | nutron: | heh |
| [02:47:11] | ** nutron rethinks his 300,000 character email ** | |
| [02:47:21] | wagnerrp: | thats a big email |
| [02:47:24] | MylesMan: | and my usb tuner didn't init at boot |
| [02:47:27] | sphery: | woah, lots of complaints |
| [02:47:43] | wagnerrp: | didnt you already do one of these a few months back? |
| [02:47:43] | sphery: | I may have to save my novel-length reply 'til Monday |
| [02:47:45] | nutron: | hah, it's one of those "honey we need to talk" kind of emails :P |
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| [02:47:51] | MylesMan: | but i'ma reboot'n try again |
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| [02:47:58] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure i remember replying to it |
| [02:48:02] | wagnerrp: | no... that was your wiki profile |
| [02:48:06] | nutron: | wagnerrp: nah, i did but didn't send it for fear that I'd end up in my own pool |
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| [02:48:24] | nutron: | yeah that was supposed to be super sekrit |
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| [02:50:17] | wagnerrp: | i kept the response friendly |
| [02:50:42] | nutron: | :P |
| [02:51:01] | nutron: | just my own thoughts really |
| [02:53:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, now I understand why you were so focused on Prius last night |
| [02:54:07] | wagnerrp: | which show was i watching? i forget |
| [02:54:13] | sphery: | Bones |
| [02:54:17] | wagnerrp: | at, right |
| [02:54:17] | nutron: | omg lol i've been typing and none of my keystrokes have shown up yet... hooray for looking at the keyboard and my desk :/ |
| [02:55:37] | wagnerrp: | only 16 modelines left |
| [02:56:33] | ** wagnerrp wonders how many people are going to look at the list of manufacturers, and wonder WTF 'lucky gold' is ** | |
| [02:57:08] | nutron: | what? that's like goldstar in the 90's... rebranded to LG, upped their QA standards ... profit! |
| [02:57:12] | sphery: | Criminal Minds: Suspect Behavior: Two of a Kind ... there it is |
| [02:57:28] | sphery: | I /knew/ that episode was setting us up for a spin-off |
| [02:57:43] | nutron: | a spin-off? |
| [02:57:54] | sphery: | the one with Forest Whitaker |
| [02:57:59] | wagnerrp: | i think i saw somewhere that House was getting a spinoff |
| [02:58:09] | nutron: | y'know what I realized? That gideon was the spanish dude on princess bride... |
| [02:58:13] | sphery: | what will it be called? Home? |
| [02:58:27] | wagnerrp: | nutron: the spanish dude is dead |
| [02:58:36] | nutron: | :o what? |
| [02:58:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, he died back in the 1920s or something |
| [02:59:15] | nutron: | urgh? the guy.. y'know uhh ... what? |
| [02:59:37] | wagnerrp: | (dead like me) |
| [03:00:52] | sphery: | Yeah, I liked Gideon |
| [03:00:58] | sphery: | and Elle and JJ |
| [03:01:05] | sphery: | they're getting rid of all the best ones |
| [03:01:10] | sphery: | at least they kept Derek |
| [03:01:15] | wagnerrp: | hehe... zap2it is recommending Anna Chapman for the next Bond girl |
| [03:01:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:01:42] | sphery: | real-world experience? check! |
| [03:03:08] | sphery: | so I can't figure out how mythweb is choosing the default recording group for schedules |
| [03:03:19] | sphery: | I added a Miscellaneous group for random things, and it's now the default |
| [03:03:38] | sphery: | before, it was using Default (which is what I wanted) except for movies, where it would use Movies |
| [03:03:50] | sphery: | which is also what I wanted |
| [03:03:55] | sphery: | just don't get the Miscellaneous one |
| [03:04:43] | sphery: | may have to look at the code |
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| [03:21:43] | wagnerrp: | well the page is now about half its former size |
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| [03:22:04] | wagnerrp: | and still probably 10x larger than it should be |
| [03:24:10] | Twiggy2cents: | so I guess I hadnt restart mythbackend for a while. I killed the backend and restarted and voila it works again |
| [03:24:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Thanks for the advice |
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| [04:00:22] | achew22: | I have a primer script that calls for test-mpeg2. does anyone know what package provides that in ubuntu? |
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| [04:46:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: this one is a hard one... |
| [04:46:42] | wagnerrp: | a blue Beetle drives by, appears on screen for a few frames |
| [04:46:55] | wagnerrp: | Walter yells 'punch buggy', and puches Peter |
| [04:47:08] | wagnerrp: | just Walter? or product placement? |
| [04:51:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, not sure... |
| [04:52:08] | sphery: | I want to be watching Fringe right now |
| [04:52:18] | sphery: | but I've decided tonight I'm upgrading to 0.24-fixes |
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| [04:57:27] | sphery: | OK, watching Fringe while the current recording completes, then upgrade! |
| [04:59:28] | wagnerrp: | hey, its jolonir |
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| [05:00:37] | sphery: | Jolinar? |
| [05:00:52] | wagnerrp: | tokra guy |
| [05:01:01] | sphery: | which host? |
| [05:01:16] | wagnerrp: | the actor, on fringe |
| [05:02:46] | sphery: | haven't gotten there |
| [05:02:57] | wagnerrp: | its a company man, bit character |
| [05:03:00] | wagnerrp: | doesnt do much |
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| [05:03:31] | sphery: | I don't remember Jolinar in a male host |
| [05:03:42] | sphery: | Jolinar was Martouf's mate... Are you thinking of Martouf? |
| [05:03:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, martouf |
| [05:03:54] | sphery: | Jolinar inhabited Carter for a while |
| [05:04:06] | sphery: | ah, makes more sense--and now I know exactly which actor :) |
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| [05:04:46] | sphery: | It seems that some actress named Tanya Reid played the non-Sam Jolinar |
| [05:04:57] | sphery: | don't remember her--so I was going to be very impressed that you recognized her |
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| [05:05:25] | wagnerrp: | it never was a her |
| [05:05:33] | wagnerrp: | she was in a male host when sam picked her up |
| [05:05:49] | sphery: | yeah, that's what I was thinking, too |
| [05:06:13] | sphery: | but http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/characters . . . lkshur.shtml says Tanya Reid played her |
| [05:08:19] | sphery: | seems this is her: http://www.stargate-project.de/stargate/image . . . /jolinar.jpg |
| [05:08:28] | sphery: | must have been just a bit in a dream sequence |
| [05:08:51] | sphery: | anyway, watching for Martouf |
| [05:09:03] | wagnerrp: | hes there for like 15 seconds |
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| [05:10:18] | sphery: | heh, on a shelf in Belly's storage room, "Dr Spock's Baby and Child Care" |
| [05:10:28] | sphery: | fits the show and a great reference |
| [05:10:40] | MylesMan: | i need serious help |
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| [05:11:10] | MylesMan: | i hooked up my comp to an old crt via s-vid |
| [05:11:24] | MylesMan: | it was black & white |
| [05:11:40] | MylesMan: | so installed nvidia-96 package |
| [05:11:45] | wagnerrp: | no, you need mcbain... http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1946223 |
| [05:11:57] | MylesMan: | and now i've got no X |
| [05:12:15] | MylesMan: | it fails to init the glx module |
| [05:12:16] | wagnerrp: | svideo has separate brightness and color |
| [05:12:28] | wagnerrp: | if the color pin is damaged, you will get black and white video |
| [05:12:42] | sphery: | S-video with no color is usually due to using either a one-way S-video to composite adapter the wrong way or due to setting your system to Composite output or due to broken cable |
| [05:13:05] | sphery: | (broken cable or connectors, that is) |
| [05:13:21] | MylesMan: | where do i change the output |
| [05:14:15] | MylesMan: | it gives colour now during bootsplash |
| [05:14:27] | sphery: | likely some nvidia or X setting |
| [05:14:33] | MylesMan: | it didnt b4 installing the 96 pkg |
| [05:15:06] | MylesMan: | but then the kernel mod doesnt load nor does x |
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| [05:20:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so that's how they make the boneless chicken |
| [05:21:33] | wagnerrp: | looks like next week will center on folivia |
| [05:22:18] | sphery: | ah, fun |
| [05:22:28] | sphery: | I've been wondering what she's up to |
| [05:22:39] | wagnerrp: | roaches |
| [05:22:41] | wagnerrp: | apparently |
| [05:24:28] | sphery: | for when they take over the earth? |
| [05:25:29] | wagnerrp: | nah... flour beetles are even more hearty than roaches |
| [05:26:03] | sphery: | but after we're gone, who's going to make the flour for them? |
| [05:26:04] | sphery: | :) |
| [05:26:18] | wagnerrp: | wild grains |
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| [05:34:50] | iamlindoro: | Wow, FINALLY ffmpeg-mt submitted for review |
| [05:35:09] | iamlindoro: | guess it's a good thing we have no idea which ffmpeg to use and nobody willing to do a sync |
| [05:39:32] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:39:47] | sphery: | maybe we should just make it a setting so people can choose which ffmpeg to use |
| [05:40:13] | iamlindoro: | When we choose one or the other, we will of course be accused of taking away choice |
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| [05:42:45] | sphery: | yeah, should just use the system libs |
| [05:42:51] | sphery: | who needs ts support, anyway? |
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| [06:04:25] | MylesMan: | i'm getting an unable to create videooutput interface error |
| [06:05:24] | MylesMan: | can som1 help |
| [06:06:08] | MylesMan: | if it helps i just installed the nvidia-96 drivers |
| [06:06:25] | wagnerrp: | and youre trying to use the Slim profile? |
| [06:08:35] | Beirdo: | beer is a good thing. |
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| [06:09:19] | MylesMan: | yes slim |
| [06:09:54] | Beirdo: | I think I will carefully avoid coding tonight :) |
| [06:09:55] | MylesMan: | u mean vdpau slim yes? |
| [06:10:15] | wagnerrp: | i mean 'Slim' |
| [06:10:21] | wagnerrp: | why would you use 'VDPAU Slim'? |
| [06:10:46] | MylesMan: | either way yes |
| [06:11:04] | MylesMan: | i assumed slim ment low cpu usage |
| [06:11:17] | wagnerrp: | not either way, theyre two separate playback profiles |
| [06:11:43] | MylesMan: | ok well i'm set to vdpauy slim |
| [06:11:45] | MylesMan: | atm |
| [06:11:58] | MylesMan: | vdpau* |
| [06:12:08] | wagnerrp: | you dont have a VDPAU capable card, nor do you have VDPAU capable drivers |
| [06:12:11] | wagnerrp: | set it to 'Slim' |
| [06:13:42] | MylesMan: | k tworks just no sound |
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| [06:23:17] | MylesMan: | i've no sound right now |
| [06:23:25] | MylesMan: | in playback |
| [06:23:28] | wagnerrp: | so go through the sound configuration |
| [06:23:32] | MylesMan: | i did |
| [06:23:35] | wagnerrp: | sound and video are completely independent |
| [06:24:37] | MylesMan: | i have tried a couple of alsa setups and am now trying pulse |
| [06:24:53] | wagnerrp: | you have pulse installed? |
| [06:24:55] | MylesMan: | and i checked my mixer |
| [06:24:57] | MylesMan: | yah |
| [06:25:01] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [06:25:20] | MylesMan: | i couldnt get any sound w/o it believe it or not |
| [06:25:34] | wagnerrp: | pulse doesnt do anything |
| [06:25:39] | wagnerrp: | its an intermediate layer |
| [06:25:51] | wagnerrp: | it has to access ALSA to get access to the sound hardware |
| [06:26:09] | wagnerrp: | if you can get pulse working, you can get ALSA working |
| [06:26:09] | MylesMan: | OSS worked in knoppmyth but idk how to install it on ubuntu |
| [06:26:26] | MylesMan: | like which pkg |
| [06:26:31] | MylesMan: | to use |
| [06:26:45] | sphery: | yay, I get to remove the mtd start script |
| [06:26:58] | sphery: | and all my theme installs |
| [06:27:14] | wagnerrp: | thats a long upgrade |
| [06:27:18] | sphery: | and will get the benefit of 0.24-fixes MythNetvision |
| [06:27:35] | sphery: | long upgrade? |
| [06:28:00] | wagnerrp: | been working on this thing for like an hour and a half |
| [06:28:25] | sphery: | MylesMan: he means use ALSA without the middle man... Use ALSA directly and get rid of Pulse audio |
| [06:29:07] | sphery: | ah, I just started the compile a few minutes ago. I was watching Fringe |
| [06:29:13] | sphery: | one of the few shows I watch at 1x |
| [06:29:26] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [06:29:48] | sphery: | and since I'm switching Qt libs, I didn't want to switch over to Qt 4.7.1 with my 0.23-fixes that was compiled against 4.6.2 |
| [06:30:05] | MylesMan: | i'm gonna test & see if it's livetv only or everything |
| [06:30:10] | sphery: | so waited 'til I could shut off all mythtv stuff |
| [06:30:11] | MylesMan: | first |
| [06:30:17] | wagnerrp: | MylesMan: what tuner card do you have? |
| [06:30:29] | MylesMan: | HVR-1950 |
| [06:30:32] | MylesMan: | usb |
| [06:30:46] | wagnerrp: | ok, so youre guaranteed to have audio |
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| [06:30:52] | MylesMan: | yah |
| [06:30:53] | wagnerrp: | its not a tuner misconfiguration |
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| [06:31:24] | MylesMan: | !time |
| [06:31:34] | MylesMan: | awww |
| [06:31:38] | MylesMan: | lol |
| [06:32:52] | MylesMan: | ok i dont even have sound on a podcast |
| [06:33:42] | sphery: | you mean outside of mythtv? |
| [06:33:54] | MylesMan: | no in mythnews |
| [06:34:04] | sphery: | try something outside of mythtv |
| [06:34:08] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [06:34:13] | sphery: | since mythtv uses the same audio configuration everywhere |
| [06:35:34] | sphery: | ooh, I can delete all my preview pixmaps and regen them with the new smart offset |
| [06:38:09] | MylesMan: | no ssound anyware |
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| [07:14:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know anything about the videosource code? |
| [07:15:57] | sphery: | a bit |
| [07:16:01] | sphery: | what's the ? |
| [07:16:31] | wagnerrp: | im getting this line... ProbeAudioInputs(/dev/cxm0,HDPVR) |
| [07:16:49] | wagnerrp: | but i cant trace it back and come up with any explanation as to why it thinks its an HDPVR |
| [07:16:56] | wagnerrp: | its listed as an MPEG in the database |
| [07:17:08] | wagnerrp: | and as far as i can tell, that value is pulled as text straight from the database |
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| [07:20:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hmmm... don't know about that. it's more the cardutil stuff... :( |
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| [07:39:04] | wagnerrp: | [26588] |
| [07:39:04] | MythLogBot: | SVN 26588: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/c1ffffba |
| [07:48:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, got my mbe and frontend upgraded. The little Athlon XP 2400+ remote backend is still compiling mythtv (haven't even gotten to plugins, yet) |
| [07:49:26] | wagnerrp: | heh, yeah, my 2600+ takes quite a while |
| [07:50:06] | ** wagnerrp needs a faster backend ** | |
| [07:50:33] | kormoc: | really? how long? |
| [07:51:08] | wagnerrp: | i think just shy of an hour |
| [07:51:25] | kormoc: | youch |
| [07:51:51] | sphery: | 02.05 01:29:07 <+sphery> ah, I just started the compile a few minutes ago. I was watching Fringe |
| [07:52:01] | sphery: | and it just now finished the mythtv compile |
| [07:52:02] | wagnerrp: | its gentoo though, so i just 'emerge -uD world' and go to bed |
| [07:52:11] | sphery: | at 02:50-ish |
| [07:52:28] | sphery: | so 1:20min to compile mythtv |
| [07:52:32] | sphery: | now to do plugins |
| [07:53:06] | kormoc: | I didn't realize they were so slow |
| [07:53:14] | wagnerrp: | its a single core |
| [07:53:22] | wagnerrp: | youre used to dual/quad machines for so long now |
| [07:53:33] | kormoc: | ahh, true enough |
| [07:53:35] | wagnerrp: | /oct |
| [07:54:03] | kormoc: | Best CEO name ever, http://www.foodforthepoor.org/about/leadership/ |
| [07:54:09] | sphery: | kormoc: not bad when you use ccache, but since these are production systems, I don't re-compile frequently, and since I just upgraded from 0.23-fixes, I cleared the cache |
| [07:54:47] | wagnerrp: | amazing |
| [07:56:29] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:56:51] | sphery: | bet he's heard all the jokes |
| [07:57:07] | wagnerrp: | im getting closer... have autodetection working |
| [07:57:17] | wagnerrp: | still cant pick up the available ports |
| [07:57:31] | kormoc: | His bio reads like a big joke, Mahfood has resided in South Florida since 1977. |
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| [08:08:06] | sphery: | updating site maps. |
| [08:12:30] | wagnerrp: | linking takes too long... |
| [08:13:03] | nutron: | sphery: what do you mean by remote mbe? like offsite? |
| [08:13:34] | wagnerrp: | remote backend, not mbe |
| [08:13:45] | wagnerrp: | i.e. slave backend |
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| [08:19:08] | sphery: | nutron: remote like 2nd |
| [08:19:20] | sphery: | yeah, just a slave backend |
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| [08:19:52] | nutron: | sphery: ahh k |
| [08:20:04] | sphery: | but say remote because in real life I've met some people who dislike use of that word in tech |
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| [08:20:18] | sphery: | so, updating the pbs tree takes a long time |
| [08:21:06] | sid3windr: | sphery: heh, those people also banished IDE from the computers then? ;) |
| [08:21:24] | sphery: | why IDE? |
| [08:21:31] | nutron: | master/slave heh |
| [08:21:31] | sid3windr: | masters/slave setup? ;) |
| [08:21:39] | sphery: | oh, yeah |
| [08:21:49] | sphery: | heh, maybe that's why we now have sata |
| [08:21:55] | sphery: | if so, well worth it :) |
| [08:21:58] | sid3windr: | let's now stop dns slaving! |
| [08:21:58] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [08:22:10] | nutron: | why call it a server/client? That's wrong too, I shink waithreshess are shekshi |
| [08:22:12] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [08:22:18] | sphery: | in recent years, though, they've been calling it IDE Primary and IDE Secondary |
| [08:22:25] | sid3windr: | really? |
| [08:22:37] | sphery: | or wait, still Primary Master and Primary Slave |
| [08:22:38] | sid3windr: | I'd have understood that as the first and second controller though |
| [08:22:40] | sid3windr: | not the device on |
| [08:22:40] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [08:22:42] | sid3windr: | yeah |
| [08:22:44] | sphery: | right... |
| [08:22:45] | sphery: | yeah |
| [08:22:58] | sid3windr: | now you just have a good slave and a worse one |
| [08:23:03] | sid3windr: | ie the primary and the secondary :> |
| [08:23:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, some people just get overly sensitive about things that happend ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY YEARS AGO |
| [08:23:34] | sphery: | 1383 mythtv 20 0 953m 337m 56m S 103 16.8 13:39.22 mythfrontend |
| [08:24:17] | sphery: | pretty impressive for having just started up my upgraded mythfrontend about 15–20 min ago |
| [08:24:29] | sphery: | PBS is killing MNV |
| [08:24:53] | sphery: | might have to remove that tree and just rely on recording all the good stuff (which I do, anyway) |
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| [08:38:42] | sid3windr: | what's an mnv? :) |
| [08:38:52] | sphery: | MythNetvision |
| [08:39:01] | sid3windr: | yes, right after I typed it I realized ;) |
| [08:39:06] | wagnerrp: | monkey needing volvo |
| [08:39:15] | sid3windr: | one can't need a volvo.. :P |
| [08:39:25] | wagnerrp: | you can if youre a monkey |
| [08:39:30] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [08:42:25] | sphery: | seems running an update the 2nd time isn't any faster |
| [08:42:44] | sphery: | should have added everything the first time |
| [08:42:51] | sphery: | very cool, though |
| [08:43:02] | sphery: | lots of good new stuff in 0.24 mnv |
| [08:43:03] | wagnerrp: | is it at all possible QString.toAscii() would be stripping numbers off strings? |
| [08:43:32] | sphery: | shouldn't strip any arabic numerals, since they're all ascii |
| [08:44:46] | sphery: | perhaps the old qstring-used-from-multiple-threads issue? |
| [08:44:56] | wagnerrp: | im getting an error "Could not open '/dev/cxm' to pro..." |
| [08:45:03] | wagnerrp: | when it should be trying to open /dev/cxm0 |
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| [08:46:11] | sphery: | trying to make a pvr-x50 work on bsd? |
| [08:46:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [08:46:24] | wagnerrp: | somehow open() isnt working |
| [08:46:54] | wagnerrp: | perhaps some sort of locking issue |
| [08:50:23] | sphery: | this is the v4l layer? |
| [08:50:33] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [08:50:38] | sphery: | we do call open multiple times on the device |
| [08:50:46] | sphery: | wonder if bsd or the v4l layer doesn't like that |
| [08:50:51] | wagnerrp: | yes, but as far as i can tell, we close it immediately |
| [08:51:06] | wagnerrp: | im putting open/close verbose statements around everything to check |
| [08:51:12] | wagnerrp: | two opens and weve got a problem |
| [08:52:32] | sphery: | well, in general, we do open already-opened devices |
| [08:52:42] | sphery: | it was the source of a huge argument |
| [08:53:20] | sphery: | where some driver didn't work that way, and danielk said that v4l allows it and wouldn't change our usage or put a hack in for the broken driver |
| [09:01:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont see back-to-back instances of opening |
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| [09:09:36] | sphery: | heh, I think QUERY_RECORDINGS Delete got broken (no longer backwards sort, so seems identical to QUERY_RECORDINGS Play) |
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| [10:32:29] | k-man: | the backend has been crashing on me for the past few weeks – is there any -v option i should add to try and get something useful? |
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| [11:36:12] | kenni: | [25632] |
| [11:36:12] | MythLogBot: | SVN 25632: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9604a136 |
| [11:36:16] | kenni: | [25633] |
| [11:36:16] | MythLogBot: | SVN 25633: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8b50efbf |
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| [12:45:53] | jarle: | What is the best way to combine mythtv and xbmc on the frontend these days? Running both xmbc and mythfrontend, or going for an integrated solution? |
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| [13:50:07] | blizzard_: | any way of doing a lossless transcode which deinterlaces? |
| [13:50:19] | blizzard_: | and keeps it in mpeg format? |
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| [14:16:22] | Dorward: | I've just set up a user job, gone to a recorded program in mythweb, and tried to run it. It has been sitting in the job queue for half an hour without moving. Is this expected? Can I force it to run sooner? Can I get debug information for attempts to run it? Thanks. |
| [14:18:23] | tank-man: | there is a setting for when user jobs are run. Did you set that setting for any time? i set mine to 12:01am to 1159pm |
| [14:20:44] | Dorward: | tank-man: Ah. I'll go and have a look for it. Thanks. |
| [14:23:06] | Dorward: | JobQueueWindowEnd/Start? They are set to 23:59 and 00:00. So they should be able to run all the time. |
| [14:23:45] | ** Dorward finds JobAllowUserJob1 set to 0 and changes it to 1 ** | |
| [14:24:07] | tank-man: | wouldn't that make it run in a 1min time window? |
| [14:24:24] | Dorward: | tank-man: End is listed before Start. So its 00:00–23:59 |
| [14:24:38] | tank-man: | and it can be set thru the menus, no need to directly change the DB |
| [14:24:48] | tank-man: | ok |
| [14:24:49] | Dorward: | I'm using the menus |
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| [14:36:37] | noii: | mythtv has started hanging after I finish watching a recording on "Please Wait…" never gets back to the menu |
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| [14:37:36] | noii: | has anyone seen this before? |
| [14:38:10] | noii: | the last entry in mythfrontend.log is "~MythContext waiting for threads to exit." |
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| [15:05:39] | spydmobile: | hi there, im on mythbuntu auto builds. when I turned on the mythweb plug in in mythbuntu control center, and fired it up I get : Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=50, backend=56) |
| [15:06:06] | spydmobile: | how do I correct this odd version mismatch? |
| [15:06:49] | jams: | looks like mythweb needs to be updated |
| [15:07:27] | spydmobile: | i agree just not sure how to make that happen |
| [15:08:38] | jams: | neither am i, but i bet #ubuntu-mythtv would know |
| [15:09:48] | spydmobile: | I cross possted there but they tend to take a good deal of time, but good advice thanks ;-) |
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| [16:49:57] | Gibby: | anyway to copy keybindings from 1 FE to another? |
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| [16:50:45] | [R]: | Gibby: its all in the db... |
| [16:50:50] | [R]: | its on "on the fe" |
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| [16:59:16] | Gibby: | hmmm wish i was better with DB's |
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| [17:00:28] | [R]: | i wish i was a millionaire |
| [17:00:31] | [R]: | we can't all get what we want |
| [17:01:12] | tank-man: | just one million? why not a multi billionare |
| [17:01:40] | Gibby: | lol, anyone have a C series Mitsubishi TV? |
| [17:01:43] | [R]: | one is enough i think |
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| [17:19:12] | ** StevenR waits impatiently for hard disks, DVI cable and speakers to show up ** | |
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| [17:26:55] | wagnerrp: | new parts on a saturday? |
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| [17:32:24] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, help |
| [17:33:59] | FabriceMG: | I have make 1 virtual machine mythbuntu 10.10 , mythtv 0.24 autobluid |
| [17:34:02] | FabriceMG: | http://pastebin.com/NJeyGVAC |
| [17:34:33] | wagnerrp: | this VM is just for testing? |
| [17:34:34] | FabriceMG: | the backend stop , and nothing after |
| [17:34:39] | FabriceMG: | yes |
| [17:35:08] | FabriceMG: | the DB is ok |
| [17:35:09] | wagnerrp: | no capture cards are defined, you never went through mythtv-setup |
| [17:36:09] | FabriceMG: | yes |
| [17:36:21] | FabriceMG: | the backend stop after |
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| [17:39:32] | FabriceMG: | standart configuration, very basic |
| [17:40:21] | wagnerrp: | you must define a tuner card, video source with at least one channel, and map the source to one of the inputs on the card before you can run the backend |
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| [17:41:18] | FabriceMG: | with 0.23 ,no problem in VM |
| [17:41:30] | FabriceMG: | hummm |
| [17:41:37] | wagnerrp: | there was a sanity check added to the scheduler that requires this now |
| [17:41:46] | wagnerrp: | tunerless operation has never been supported |
| [17:41:52] | wagnerrp: | its just now unintentionally enforced |
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| [17:42:46] | FabriceMG: | it's not cool for testing |
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| [17:44:02] | wagnerrp: | it hasnt changed anything |
| [17:44:17] | wagnerrp: | tons of things would silently not work properly previously with a tunerless backend |
| [17:44:32] | wagnerrp: | for proper testing, you should have had a tuner of some sort available anyway |
| [17:45:46] | FabriceMG: | Why with mythbuntu 10.10, the backend start normaly without tuner? !!!!!! |
| [17:46:02] | wagnerrp: | no, it will start, but it will not function properly |
| [17:46:55] | FabriceMG: | one solution ? |
| [17:47:05] | wagnerrp: | physical or dummy tuner |
| [17:47:44] | FabriceMG: | dunny tuner ???? |
| [17:48:07] | wagnerrp: | as in a fake device to aide in testing |
| [17:48:35] | FabriceMG: | yes but did you have 1 example? |
| [17:48:48] | wagnerrp: | nope, never used it |
| [17:48:52] | FabriceMG: | :) |
| [17:48:55] | wagnerrp: | i use physical tuners for my testing machines |
| [17:49:03] | FabriceMG: | not in VM? |
| [17:49:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont use VMs |
| [17:49:53] | wagnerrp: | VMs should only be used if you want to completely isolate a virtual system for security or testing needs |
| [17:50:04] | wagnerrp: | or if you want to run a different kernel from the host OS |
| [17:50:15] | wagnerrp: | i have no need for any of that |
| [17:50:17] | FabriceMG: | I search why I have the MythSocket error ( python / frontend) with proper install |
| [17:52:46] | FabriceMG: | One option for run the backend and force to start without tuner? |
| [17:52:55] | wagnerrp: | create a dummy tuner |
| [17:53:14] | wagnerrp: | physical or virtual, it has to have one |
| [17:53:14] | FabriceMG: | google is my friend , then |
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| [17:59:29] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: no, unfortunately. Ebuyer failed me, so I've had to cancel and re-order from somewhere else. I should have been building my myth backend today, but instead, I have to wait til Tues for the disks and second DVB tunder |
| [17:59:34] | StevenR: | *tuner |
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| [18:09:05] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, I have choise Freebox TV ( network) , it's work now |
| [18:17:22] | Gibby: | /etc/mythtv/session-settings will run anything that is in there when the FE starts right? |
| [18:17:41] | wagnerrp: | not by mythtv's doing |
| [18:17:57] | wagnerrp: | whether your system wants to run that is a different matter |
| [18:19:52] | Gibby: | hmm ok, i tink i was mistold about that file t |
| [18:20:05] | Gibby: | i will figure out another way |
| [18:20:11] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like something GDM might start when you log in |
| [18:21:46] | Gibby: | trying to get some xmodmaps to run on start up so i had them in there, i thought they were working but it doesn't look like it now |
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| [18:42:23] | Gibby: | what is the tool that is used to watch ir commands? |
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| [18:50:09] | Exoit: | im having some problems with my hvr3000 with mythtv 0.24 i can find all my channels with the dvbscan tool but mythtv can't find any channels not even when i import the channels.conf. Have anyone else experienced this before ? |
| [18:50:30] | jams: | Gibby- irw will work if you have the config files defined |
| [18:50:36] | jams: | mode2 is for watching raw |
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| [19:00:40] | Gibby: | yeah i was actually looking for "xev" lol, just couldn't remember it |
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| [19:11:42] | kormoc: | Gibby, Zev > Xev (Lexx reference!) |
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| [20:04:07] | wagnerrp: | so i fail to understand what the purpose of a line 'LANG=$LANG' would serve |
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| [20:04:29] | [R]: | where |
| [20:04:29] | wagnerrp: | one user suggested it, another user blindly repeated it |
| [20:04:35] | [R]: | ml? |
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| [20:04:48] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2011 . . . /309449.html |
| [20:05:08] | wagnerrp: | followed by http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9177#comment:15 |
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| [20:05:55] | [R]: | thats whats in the mythbuntu script |
| [20:05:56] | [R]: | haha |
| [20:06:18] | [R]: | it migth be because the variable isn't exported |
| [20:06:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: better would be LC_ALL= |
| [20:07:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems the CXM driver simply is not returning any information when trying to enumerate inputs |
| [20:07:18] | sphery: | we need language and character encoding info specified since qt auto-detects it from the system |
| [20:07:38] | wagnerrp: | nothing to do with mythtv itself, the driver is broken |
| [20:07:50] | sphery: | but it seems that some *buntu users aren't getting proper encoding info through--since I've told a couple to set LC_ALL and that fixed things |
| [20:08:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah :( |
| [20:08:13] | sphery: | but on the bright side, you can still use a real OS for a mythtv backend ;) |
| [20:09:07] | wagnerrp: | frankly, it doesnt make sense |
| [20:09:19] | wagnerrp: | i see the code to handle that ioctl call |
| [20:09:32] | wagnerrp: | and it should return something for any input between 0–10 |
| [20:09:46] | wagnerrp: | ... although that doesnt sound proper in its own right |
| [20:10:09] | sphery: | heh, I'm pretty sure you know the guy who would know that driver best... ;) |
| [20:11:23] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how much of the code is duplicated from the ivtv drivers |
| [20:12:43] | sphery: | ahhh, I figured it was mostly wholesale copy with a few mods since you said it was a v4l layer |
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| [20:12:58] | sphery: | but maybe the driver provides that layer (versus a driver working on top of that layer) |
| [20:13:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the driver is below that layer |
| [20:13:32] | wagnerrp: | the ioctl still is probably pretty wholesale copy |
| [20:13:44] | wagnerrp: | but the kernel and hardware interface is going to be diverged |
| [20:14:01] | sphery: | yeah, makes sense |
| [20:14:15] | sphery: | probably a better design that way |
| [20:14:19] | wagnerrp: | s/still/stuff/ |
| [20:14:20] | sphery: | than an emulation mode |
| [20:15:02] | wagnerrp: | it only exposes itself through V4L for software compatibility |
| [20:15:30] | sphery: | rebuilding the seek tables for all my recordings (because of the upgrade to 0.24-fixes) |
| [20:15:36] | sphery: | taking quite some time |
| [20:15:42] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [20:16:03] | sphery: | after about 10hrs: (397 of 573) 1091_20101031210000.mpg on one system and (335 of 681) 1681_20080120123000.mpg on the other |
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| [20:16:31] | sphery: | since the pre-0,24 seektables were broken due to some bug in the pre-0.24 player |
| [20:16:50] | sphery: | so pre-0.24 seektables work with pre-0.24 player but before/after doesn't work |
| [20:17:13] | sphery: | i.e. when I deleted all my previews so I could get better ones (with the smart preview offset), I got a bunch of B frame images |
| [20:25:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: honestly, if i would have to spend time fixing this driver... it would be better spent porting something like saa7164 |
| [20:26:13] | sphery: | a framegrabber?\ |
| [20:26:28] | wagnerrp: | saa7164 == hvr-2250 |
| [20:26:38] | sphery: | the analog or digital side? |
| [20:26:55] | sphery: | but, yeah, makes sense--newer hardware would be more useful |
| [20:27:02] | sphery: | / more available |
| [20:30:59] | wagnerrp: | although its kind of a catch 22 |
| [20:31:09] | wagnerrp: | people dont use freebsd because of lack of driver support |
| [20:31:23] | wagnerrp: | so theres no many people who would use drivers were they supported |
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| [21:04:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | that catch-22 was true even in the mid 90s. |
| [21:05:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | although you would think that the BSD guys could peek at our source. |
| [21:06:28] | wagnerrp: | i did say port, not write from scratch |
| [21:12:45] | wagnerrp: | but yea... tuner support in freebsd leaves /very/ much to be desired |
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| [22:03:54] | tgm4883: | sphery, is there any reason not to use --dd-grab-all with mythfilldatabase? |
| [22:04:04] | tgm4883: | sphery, perhaps for people that don't use SD? |
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| [22:05:04] | wagnerrp: | i assume for people using XMLTV grabbers, it will have no effect and be silently ignored |
| [22:05:31] | wagnerrp: | it does have the capacity to cause problems with people on older or underpowered backends |
| [22:05:44] | wagnerrp: | since it will pull much more memory and processor |
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| [23:34:36] | qwerty_: | I run lircd with -n, then run irw, I get nothing. syslog, dmesg, etc, nothing. Nothing on the screen. Why wouldn't I get any response? |
| [23:35:02] | wagnerrp: | your lircd.conf is not configured for the output of your remote |
| [23:35:22] | wagnerrp: | try running mode2 with lircd NOT running, and see what you get |
| [23:36:26] | qwerty_: | mode2 nothing. |
| [23:36:53] | wagnerrp: | do you even have a /dev/lirc<n> node? |
| [23:37:17] | qwerty_: | I have /dev/lirc lirc0 lircd and lircd1. |
| [23:37:38] | qwerty_: | lirc is a symlink to lirc0. |
| [23:37:43] | wagnerrp: | run mode2 against /dev/lirc0, mash some buttons, and see what happens |
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| [23:39:20] | qwerty_: | could not open /dev/lirc0 and default_init(): Device or resource busy, made sure lircd was down, tried it again and the same thing. Still nothing in dmesg or syslog. |
| [23:39:46] | wagnerrp: | if its busy, then lircd is still running |
| [23:40:23] | qwerty_: | ps xa|grep lirc returns nothing. |
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| [23:46:26] | qwerty_: | Any other ideas? |
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