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Wednesday, February 2nd, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

sheeva IS a 'box' on its own

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wagnerrp:

one of those systems built into a wall wart

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sphery:

yeah, but some media box was using basically the sheevaplug board

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sphery:

maybe I'm just confusing all the underpowered boxes and grouping them together

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sphery:

"they all look the same to me"

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** sphery is underpowered-CPU-ist **

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

anyone ever built their own speakers?

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wagnerrp:

ive got a powered sub with a blown cone, but the box and amp are still good, looking to replace the speaker

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JEDIDIAH__:

shouldn't have turned it all the way up to 11

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wagnerrp:

nah, its just >10yrs old, the fabric surrounding the cone dried up and cracked

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wagnerrp:

so the cone rattles

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wagnerrp:

fabric, rubber, whatever that stuff is

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sphery:

wagnerrp: got plans for some I'd like to make, but it's so far down on the todo list, I haven't done it

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wagnerrp:

just wondering if anyone had preferred brands

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sphery:

the drivers, etc I was planning to get were basically a kit

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wagnerrp:

oh, you were going to build the speakers from scratch?

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wagnerrp:

not just build a case to put them in

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sphery:

well, build case and wire up drivers, tweeters, etc.

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sphery:

looking for the article--which, it seems, has moved around in the last 10yrs or so

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wagnerrp:

these are just a single piece sub, only one speaker/driver

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sphery:

so are you looking for replacement drivers?

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wagnerrp:

if thats what you call the speaker

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wagnerrp:

the big circular thing with a magnet and voice coil

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wagnerrp:

that thing

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

on that, I'm not a good reference

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wagnerrp:

yes, i need a new subwoofer driver

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wagnerrp:

not many people seem to sell those except for car audio

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sphery:

that's much of the reason why I was planning on getting a kit with pre-selected drivers

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sphery:

I think http://www.parts-express.com/ is where I found the best deals on them

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wagnerrp:

thats where im at currently

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wagnerrp:

looking at some Dayton units, i just have no idea who is a good brand

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sphery:

heh, yeah, just got my printouts/books

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sphery:

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wagnerrp:

theres no problem installing a speaker with a higher rated output than the amp right?

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wagnerrp:

as long as the resistance is matched

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sphery:

heh, no clue

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sphery:

impedance is important

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sphery:

other than that, I don't know anything

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sphery:

which is why the kit :)

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sphery:

seems that it was the Audax Designer Series plan I had settled on

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sphery:

by Dr. Joseph D'Appolito... page doesn't exist, now... http://www.audax.com/doit/us_ht01.shtml (have the printout)

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sphery:

also had a Vifa MTM design

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sphery:

anyway, was looking at Dayton for the subwoofer because they had very inexpensive drivers

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sphery:

btw, thanks for motivating me to walk down memory lane

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wagnerrp:

apparently comcast has activated their first batch of ipv6 users

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nutron:

When a trailers sg is set, how do you guys actually source the trailers? .. legally ..

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Plugh:

wagnerrp: You could repair the speaker.

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wagnerrp:

pull them off your dvds

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wagnerrp:

Plugh: no, the driver has already been trashed

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nutron:

wagnerrp: ahh, good point, I was thinking of something more automated

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nutron:

:P

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nutron:

i remember going through apple's trailers and others, but they all seem to have "rights" to advertising so I was stumped

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nutron:

uhh s/"rights"/rights/ and s/avertising/"advertising"/ .. there fixed

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its technically illegal to download and store those

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nutron:

Aye, I know, hence me asking. Never thought of the actual trailers on the dvd's I've already ripped.

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** nutron sulks at the thought **

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wagnerrp:

a violation of terms of service, affirmed by their UA locks

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nutron:

What's a UA lock?

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wagnerrp:

you have to identify yourself as an apple product

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nutron:

Ahh. Awesome.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I thought you were allowed to download, but only to stream using darwinserver (which has or had a Linux version)

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Beirdo:

i.e. another piece of Apple software

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kormoc:

I'm fairly certain they blocked downloading

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

it used to be allowed for that oh... 10 years back :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you can 'download' it all you want, but you just get a small discriptor .mov file

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wagnerrp:

that quicktime uses to find the real file

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Beirdo:

yeah, you had to download using a registered copy of QuickTime, and save-as.

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wagnerrp:

which is the same exact file, with 'h' prepended before the resolution, and hidden behind a UA lock

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Beirdo:

but yeah, this was a LONG time back, so. neh

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wagnerrp:

the UA lock is maybe... 3–4 years old

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

figures

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Beirdo:

go, Crapple

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

my mac mini is reporting it's hard drive is 107C (225F). I think that's wrong

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sphery:

kormoc: pour a glass of water over it and see if it boils and skitters

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wagnerrp:

nah, you need a lot hotter that that for that to happen

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nutron:

because I'm daft, and a punk. I want to know if there are any more "cool" user job scripts in the wiki... seems that the category doesn't list all of them. If so. How do I find them?

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** nutron == lame **

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sphery:

heh, good question--but when you do find them, please add the category label to their pages :)

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nutron:

sphery: heh that mythcommflag wrapper script says it's in category user jobs... but when I look at it, it's not in the list... or I missed it. Hence why I asked.

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kormoc:

nutron, search the wiki for "My Uber 1337 j0b"

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nutron:

I like the ideas people have, I don't get that many :P

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kormoc:

Woo! Nothing like using wine and commskip.exe to commflag in myth

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: oh? who is doing that?

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, reading some scrollback and saw talk of SG recording dirs vs banner dirs, etc.. I think we talked a while back about having a SG type, so if we had a 'recordings' type, then that would be the dir to clean up. speaking of that, we need to switch 'Default' to 'Recordings' at some point. I think that was the concensus at one point.

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: its still a command line application isnt it? i would be surprised if it took much effort compile it natively on linux

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, it uses the windows ddshow or whatever it is I believe. it's gone far beyond a simple recompile of mythcommflag ported to C.

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Captain_Murdoch:

directshow?

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wagnerrp:

directshow yeah... it uses that instead of ffmpeg for video decoding?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, not sure if it's optional or not. I think he also has a version which includes a licensed mpeg2 decoder for speed.

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JEDIDIAH__:

boiled hard drives...

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Captain_Murdoch:

might be why it requires directshow, so maybe that part can be commented out. early on, I gave them a makefile for compiling under Linux, but I stopped looking at it a long time ago.

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kormoc:

yeah, isn't it closed source?

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Captain_Murdoch:

that was before directshow.

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Captain_Murdoch:

should download it for kicks sometime and do a strings comparison.

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wagnerrp:

meaning it is now a complete rewrite from mythcommmflag?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think it's on it's 2nd or 3rd maintainer now.

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, I believe so.

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wagnerrp:

s/believe/hope/

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Captain_Murdoch:

he rewrote a lot rather quickly. I even merged some ideas back.

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's the reason for the strings comparison. I think I did that one, but can't recall.

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Captain_Murdoch:

s/one/once/

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I'm currently writing code to find orphaned PNG preview pixmaps and delete them (so we wouldn't have to worry about blocking deletes when preview gen is running). It will also be the basis of the code used for finding orphaned recording files and metadata. The challenge for the previews is determining whether I can silently delete a PNG in a non-special SG that's not a preview associated with an existing recording.

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** Captain_Murdoch pictures someone losing the only pictures they have of their long-dead great grammama just because they put the wrong dir in a SG. **

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

this is why I'm wondering what to do

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sphery:

other option is to move the garbage elsewhere

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sphery:

like a Garbage SG :)

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wagnerrp:

thats what they get for not having redundant backups of important stuff

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sphery:

Wait a minute. I added my Shirley Manson tracks to the Garbage Storage Group, but they don't show up, anywhere...

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sphery:

or could call it lost+found and make it nice and 1975

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[R]:

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nutron:

heh, remind me why the video preview doesn't work in the watch recordings interface again?

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nutron:

isn't it the same as the pip viewer when in a video?

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wagnerrp:

because it never really worked

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wagnerrp:

no, it wasnt

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt a proper video player

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nutron:

ahh damnit... it was sexy

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wagnerrp:

more like an animated gif on a loop

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wagnerrp:

now that the OSD has veen converted over to mythui

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nutron:

why not allow the user to select "create preview" then ffmpeg an mng... and go from there? sounds simple 'nuff

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wagnerrp:

and there is a PIP video window

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wagnerrp:

it should not be difficult to replace the video preview

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wagnerrp:

... it just takes someone actually taking the effort to do so

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nutron:

meh, qt scares the crap outta me

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wagnerrp:

qt makes c++ so much easier

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nutron:

so .. pip video window, somehow allow it to be considered a widget in the theme (I know I'm nub and don't know what I'm talking about)

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nutron:

just drawing a picture so I understand

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nutron:

so the pip viewer would just be called to show the vid right?

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wagnerrp:

in my little uninformed theory

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, im not sure how the PIP widget works with renderers other than opengl

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wagnerrp:

since both XV and VDPAU only support a single video window active at any given time

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nutron:

ah, it doesn't work on my vdapu front end, but tbh, haven't really spent any time trying to figure out why. always black

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wagnerrp:

that may be your explination

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markk_:

nutron: at some point, video will probably just become a widget and at that point, video preview is a no brainer and pip just becomes a video widget owned by another video widget

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markk_:

nutron: pip is broken in latest trunk and fixes

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nutron:

markk_: i see

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nutron:

what about my idea? mpeg to mng... play an "image" in the theme

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wagnerrp:

thats the way it used to happen, basically

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wagnerrp:

not likely to return

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nutron:

ffmpeg -> 500 frames -> convert to mng

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sphery:

I /hope/ it doesn't return

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sphery:

that was such a mess

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nutron:

ahh

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nutron:

but it worked :P

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wagnerrp:

sorta kinda

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nutron:

and it'd be usable in mythweb as a preview no?

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sphery:

but the broken non-MMX code was a great indicator of broken compiles

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sphery:

mythweb should be going to <video> or flash or ...

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sphery:

with proper backend support for transcoding

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nutron:

sphery: though those are busted too, trust me I'm not knocking here, just throwing out simple suggestions to have it work again

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nutron:

what non-mmx code?

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sphery:

yeah, they're busted

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sphery:

but at least they don't use bad hacks :)

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nutron:

I LOVE BAD HACKS!

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nutron:

:P

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sphery:

by non-mmx, I meant the code we used to have worked fine if compiled with mmx support, but if not, you got blue faces

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wagnerrp:

theres a lovely version of mythtv rewritten in 1700 lines of perl for you

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wagnerrp:

:)

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nutron:

wagnerrp: lol!~

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sphery:

so when people complained aobut blue faces in their previews, we knew immediately that they didn't compile properly

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sphery:

heh

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nutron:

ahhh

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nutron:

but so... that's their fault :P

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sphery:

nutron: and it was /designed/ around a browser

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sphery:

nutron: yeah, if they compiled it without MMX support (by tweaking flags they don't understand) and expected it to be fast enough to handle video, that's their fault :)

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nutron:

:P

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nutron:

Indeed ... indeed.

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sphery:

but it was a great way to quickly find those super-broken compiles so we didn't waste time debugging performance issues caused by it

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sphery:

i.e. that was the first thing they noticed, and the one they complained about first :)

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nutron:

well that's a feature then!

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** nutron decides he'd probably be wise to let this go **

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nutron:

hrrm is qt viewed as a great platform now or is it kind of a hinderance? objectional opinions welcomed... it kinda looks like it tries to do too much and not really good at anything (my first look at it in years)

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kormoc:

nutron, having used the old video preview system for years, I didn't even notice it disappeared for months

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kormoc:

nutron, a tiny 60x60 window is hardly big enough to really be useful as a video preview

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wagnerrp:

nutron: basically, it provides all sorts of nice utilities and functions for rolling an application

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nutron:

kormoc: ya gotta admit though, cool factor hits the ceiling when one shows off their setup

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nutron:

with the preview chugging along

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wagnerrp:

all the fancy dynamic text and array handling you normally only see on interpreted languages, it gives you in c++

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kormoc:

nutron, it's a framework. It tries to do everything well enough and works out okay

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nutron:

wagnerrp: ahh, from that perspective, that's cool

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kormoc:

nutron, nah. not when the cpu hits the ceiling and the fans spin up and the ui get sluggish...

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nutron:

kormoc: bah those were the athlon xp cast-off days. I got intel power now!

[03:52:30]

** nutron fires up his atom front-end with usb-everything attached **

[03:52:59]

wagnerrp:

power? what power?

[03:53:06]

kormoc:

as the mac mini champion with usb drives and tuners, I resemble that comment!

[03:53:32]

nutron:

kormoc: :'( seriously?

[03:53:43]

kormoc:

heh, seriously

[03:53:49]

nutron:

do you feel even a little bit dirty?

[03:53:57]

kormoc:

not at all. Why would I?

[03:54:14]

kormoc:

It's tiny, it's quiet, it's powerful. It works great for me :)

[03:54:22]

nutron:

you said usb tuners and drives no?

[03:54:36]

nutron:

alright, I'll lay off.

[03:54:38]

kormoc:

Aye, HDPVR is only available as a USB and a 1tb usb drive to record to works great :)

[03:54:44]

nutron:

one fears what he doesn't understand I guess

[03:54:45]

wagnerrp:

tuners... meh

[03:54:56]

wagnerrp:

but he should be ashamed for having USB hard drives

[03:54:57]

wagnerrp:

:P

[03:55:13]

kormoc:

I do have a HDHR as well, so I'm not entirely usb on that box

[03:55:19]

** kormoc laughs **

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nutron:

heh

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kormoc:

I'm waiting for a usb case that fits under the mini perfectly

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clever:

dare i mention i have USB swap on one system?

[03:56:06]

nutron:

...

[03:56:10]

kormoc:

clever, I'm surprised you have anything new enough to support USB

[03:56:29]

nutron:

clever: are you the guy with the p2 as a backend?

[03:56:30]

clever:

the hdd in that laptop has finaly failed completely, and the replacement one doesnt fit

[03:56:42]

clever:

the master backend is a P2

[03:56:49]

clever:

the laptop with the usb swap is a P3 1ghz

[03:57:04]

clever:

that laptop handles the commflag load

[03:57:05]

nutron:

do you want me to ship you some hardware?

[03:57:10]

nutron:

seriously

[03:57:13]

wagnerrp:

woah woah... hold on

[03:57:14]

kormoc:

nutron, he's the guy that figures out the worst possible way to do something (as long as it involves him not being forced to get a job and make money) and does it that way

[03:57:17]

clever:

depends on what the hardware is

[03:57:22]

wagnerrp:

does that P3 laptop even have USB 2.0?

[03:57:31]

clever:

wagnerrp: 1.0

[03:57:32]

kormoc:

nutron, don't do it. You're only rewarding his refusal to get a job and be a productive member of society!

[03:57:33]

wagnerrp:

mine sure doesnt

[03:57:42]

clever:

the P2 has 2.0, but the case blocks the ports

[03:57:50]

wagnerrp:

well hardly anything actually has USB 1.0

[03:57:59]

nutron:

kormoc: heh, why get a job when you have myth? and it's free!

[03:58:01]

clever:

the P2 has a sata/usb 2.0 PCI card

[03:58:28]

clever:

wagnerrp: let me check usbview

[03:58:36]

nutron:

you guys think I could do a swap on the mailing list or would that be totally o/t?

[03:58:59]

nutron:

i have hardware that's just being stacked right now..

[03:59:07]

sphery:

I think you all mean, "low-speed", "full-speed", and "high-speed"

[03:59:08]

wagnerrp:

clever: you know what the worst part about you doing crap like that is?

[03:59:15]

clever:

wagnerrp: what?

[03:59:16]

wagnerrp:

youre giving the sheevaplug and beagleboard users hope

[03:59:21]

clever:

lol

[03:59:28]

nutron:

LOL!

[03:59:29]

sphery:

those numbers are forboden!

[03:59:31]

kormoc:

nutron, he also follows that same logic with showering and other hygienic tasks

[03:59:57]

nutron:

oh :o

[03:59:57]

clever:

i used to run myth on the 1.6ghz P4

[04:00:00]

wagnerrp:

oh, we try so hard to break their spirits on the mailing list

[04:00:13]

clever:

but i had too many ivtv/lirc problems forcing a reboot, and thats my main server

[04:00:16]

nutron:

have you smelled him through the 'net? =O

[04:00:24]

kormoc:

nutron, I'd think it's okay to bring it up with a OT subject prefix and then move it off list to work out details. Also keep in mind we won't mediate any issues that come up

[04:00:44]

kormoc:

nutron, nah, awhile back he felt so inclined to give us a semi-weekly update on how many days it has been

[04:01:30]

nutron:

kormoc: aye ... i was thinking something like.. I need "this" i have this and this and this to offer, or hit me with anything else interesting... or... if you're poor and want to run myth I'll ship you any of this for the cost of shipping kinda topic

[04:01:47]

clever:

wagnerrp: hmmm, the computer is full speed usb, 12mb/s

[04:02:04]

clever:

it goes to a full speed 'usb 2.0' hub, thats running 12mb/s

[04:02:12]

[R]:

:(

[04:02:17]

[R]:

comcast activated ipv6 trial

[04:02:20]

clever:

and then the usb->ide adapter

[04:02:44]

sphery:

nutron: if you do bring up swap or whatever, someone will almost definitely tell you it's a no-no

[04:02:47]

clever:

bigest problem is that the system has a single usb port, so i need a hub

[04:02:54]

kormoc:

nutron, I'd say go for it and see how it works out. I've had good luck in the past with cyberknet

[04:03:08]

kormoc:

sphery, ooh?

[04:03:15]

sphery:

per: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiqu . . . _advertising

[04:03:16]

nutron:

sphery: ok, i won't bother... where'd be a good place for mythtv minded people to hang and do that sort of thing?

[04:03:30]

kormoc:

hrm

[04:03:32]

wagnerrp:

[R]: [20:26] <wagnerrp> apparently comcast has activated their first batch of ipv6 users

[04:03:50]

nutron:

but .. I don't really want to sell

[04:03:56]

[R]:

wagnerrp: lol

[04:04:10]

nutron:

who's gonna buy a dual athlon mp 2500+ mobo and 2gb ecc memory nowadays?

[04:04:47]

kormoc:

nutron, that's 10 years newer then clever's tech!

[04:04:55]

nutron:

heh

[04:05:05]

sphery:

nutron: good question... it would be nice if there were some place that could--but without any endorsement from mythtv project

[04:05:14]

clever:

my current frontend is an ok 1.6ghz laptop

[04:05:17]

kormoc:

tho, if the ecc ram is ddr2–667 FB, I'd be semi-interested

[04:05:24]

clever:

id use it as master too if i could have it run a capture card

[04:05:24]

nutron:

sphery: understood

[04:05:27]

kormoc:

(in the ram)

[04:05:28]

nutron:

kormoc: nah it's ddr

[04:05:30]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: no, ddr1

[04:05:33]

sphery:

don't know if there's any way of setting up groups in ebay or whatever...

[04:05:41]

kormoc:

there isn't

[04:05:45]

wagnerrp:

AMD didnt make the switch to DDR2 until the AM2 platform

[04:05:54]

kormoc:

mythtvtalk forums perhaps

[04:05:57]

nutron:

humm.. oh!

[04:06:01]

nutron:

I forgot about those

[04:06:04]

** nutron goes to look **

[04:06:09]

wagnerrp:

nutron: MP? you have a matched pair of processors to go with it?

[04:06:16]

nutron:

yep

[04:06:21]

sphery:

anyway, I think a lot of people would be interested in having a for-sale/-trade board, but don't know where it would fit

[04:06:34]

nutron:

with a matched pair of 1+kg of solid copper heatsinks.. heh

[04:06:59]

wagnerrp:

i need an upgrade

[04:06:59]

sphery:

I would recommend another mailing list for it, but don't know if having it would cause some people to see it as having a mythtv project endorsement or whatever

[04:07:05]

nutron:

i have three of those.. one has scsi onboard.. etc.. but that's just scratching the surface

[04:07:08]

wagnerrp:

but even that would still be a downgrade from my aged gear

[04:07:16]

kormoc:

sphery, could start a google group

[04:07:24]

sphery:

maybe mythtvtalk or one of the forums could set up a for-sale/for-trade forum

[04:07:25]

nutron:

wagnerrp: probably, but people like clever could make a go of it

[04:07:29]

nutron:

or whomever

[04:07:33]

nutron:

thing is

[04:07:34]

sphery:

kormoc: that would make sense, too

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[04:07:59]

nutron:

I've always been the charitable sort. if you plan on running any type of microsoft software on the hardware... the charity part goes out the window

[04:08:00]

sphery:

theen it's not mythtv.org, it could be set up with an explicit mention that it lacks endorsement

[04:08:56]

nutron:

sphery: are there any other forums?

[04:09:03]

wagnerrp:

nutron: the problem ive always had with selling computer gear is that by the time im done using it for my purposes, its not really worth selling

[04:09:09]

sphery:

and I had 1xPVR-350, 1xPVR-250, 1xPVR-150, and 1xPVR-150(PAL) sitting around for about 2 years before I finally found someone who wanted them and for whom I didn't mind paying the postage

[04:09:32]

sphery:

had we had a board/forum for it, I probably could have found someone who was willing to pay postage for me to give them out for free

[04:09:37]

nutron:

wagnerrp: I want to _give_ it away... or possibly trade for something I could use mythtv related

[04:09:53]

sphery:

wagnerrp: you know the fora better than I

[04:10:06]

jya:

kormoc: I have a few ECC DDR2–400Mhz if you're interested. 4 x 512MB stick in a server I don't use anymore

[04:10:11]

sphery:

is mythtvtalk really the only one?

[04:10:26]

wagnerrp:

sphery: only one i use, i think theres one more

[04:10:44]

wagnerrp:

theres the mythbuntu forum

[04:10:50]

sphery:

ah, yeah

[04:10:57]

wagnerrp:

maybe one or two others for other distros

[04:11:18]

sphery:

so if someone set up a google group, how would it get administered? anything special required?

[04:11:20]

** nutron still rides the debian bandwagon **

[04:11:33]

kormoc:

jya, thanks, but nah, I need 667

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sphery:

might even want to make it non-mythtv specific--some generic media center pc hardware type group

[04:11:57]

jya:

kormoc: I may well be 667MHz ; that was in an opteron server

[04:12:01]

jya:

I will have a check

[04:12:03]

** Captain_Murdoch will take pvr-x50 boards if anyone is giving them away. **

[04:12:10]

kormoc:

jya, cool, thanks much

[04:12:17]

sphery:

and have categories/subjects/... that can point to specific ones

[04:12:35]

nutron:

Captain_Murdoch: I might have two to give away in a bit... still running the old combinded fe/be system while I stabilize the new one

[04:12:44]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: heh, sorry, I sent mine to Grey Foxx a couple years back, so I'm all out

[04:12:47]

jya:

amazing how much they cost these days.. I had to replace a pair a few months ago ; damn hard to find and twice the price of 4GB stick DDR3

[04:12:48]

kormoc:

sphery, you can just set a few admins and share the responsibility,

[04:13:13]

sphery:

kormoc: cool... another possibility for you, nutron

[04:13:16]

wagnerrp:

jya: yeah, almost makes it worth it to just buy all new gear if you need a lot of memory

[04:13:17]

kormoc:

jya, yeah, I should have loaded up two years ago when they were cheap

[04:13:38]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, mac pro cost > memory cost :(

[04:13:41]

sphery:

not cheap because they're old gen?

[04:13:51]

nutron:

but... well... maybe the zealot in me needs to pipe down... i'd want it to be myth specific... winbloze has too many other pvr software "thingies"

[04:13:53]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: youre not going to be shoving DDR2 into a mac pro

[04:14:00]

sphery:

aren't memory prices, in general, dropping like a rock, right now?

[04:14:04]

kormoc:

sphery, yeah, they stopped making them and the stocks have mostly closed out

[04:14:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

I think two of my three AverMedia M179 fans have died. I have a 80MM case fan inside one case blowing across the boards. I think the pvr-x50 had better signal than the M179 boards as well.

[04:14:13]

sphery:

ah, yeah, those don't fall :)

[04:14:13]

jya:

sphery: they are ECC so not cheap to start with, and the older the generation, the more expensive it gets

[04:14:17]

wagnerrp:

sphery: DDR3 is dropping like a rock, DDR2 and 1 are still rising

[04:14:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: huh, didn't notice that... I guess they shifted too much production to DDR3

[04:14:48]

** jya feels like a new macbook air **

[04:14:53]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, reality disagrees, http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro . . . 8-specs.html

[04:15:04]

sphery:

jya: heh, does that mean you feel light and sleek?

[04:15:07]

jya:

Anyone knows how the nvidia 320M IGP handle VDPAU ?

[04:15:08]

kormoc:

oh whoops, 800 mhz ram

[04:15:29]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: the Intel Mac Pros use Xeons

[04:15:35]

wagnerrp:

which use FB-DIMMs

[04:15:44]

wagnerrp:

it may be using DDR2 modules

[04:15:48]

wagnerrp:

but on a completely different package

[04:15:52]

jya:

I bought a 2.8GHz 15" MBP 4 months ago, loaded it with 512GB SSD and 8GB RAM, but I got bored of it... the MBA is sooo sweet

[04:15:54]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, I need ddr2 ecc fb

[04:16:09]

wagnerrp:

AMD systems never used that

[04:16:15]

kormoc:

ahh, sad

[04:16:23]

wagnerrp:

only the Xeons did, and maybe some of the Sun gear

[04:16:36]

wagnerrp:

that stuff was never cheap

[04:16:46]

jya:

kormoc: how I missed the FB bit; mine aren't FB

[04:18:23]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, 04/02/2009, 4GB (2x2GB) was $93. I should have maxed out my ram then

[04:19:31]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: was that when the nehalem stuff first started coming out?

[04:19:38]

kormoc:

I think so, aye

[04:20:01]

wagnerrp:

must have been manufacturers wanting to dump old stock to make room for DDR3 server memory

[04:20:56]

kormoc:

yeah, likely so

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[04:27:14]

nutron:

hookay, I'm gonna go home early tonight, maybe even fondle some perl code... I'm still coding against -fixes... is that gonna be a prob for me?

[04:27:26]

wagnerrp:

not yet

[04:27:28]

nutron:

git's something I haven't had time for :/

[04:27:32]

wagnerrp:

but it will be

[04:27:42]

nutron:

Oh I know, I'm just biding my time :P

[04:28:01]

wagnerrp:

'course its going to be a problem for me too, and kormoc over there with his php

[04:28:16]

nutron:

it's all very hum-drum anyway, I fell like I don't even have to understand how myth works... just interpret python code... turn it into perl...

[04:28:44]

nutron:

I'm a hairy perl monkey with a penchant for pain (understanding python) =)

[04:28:50]

wagnerrp:

i intend to change the format of my stuff around a bit, just a heads up

[04:29:13]

kormoc:

nutron, the last person to poke at the perl bindings went awol shortly after

[04:29:21]

nutron:

well I haven't updated since svn went offline... so HA!

[04:29:26]

nutron:

that was me wasn't it?

[04:29:28]

nutron:

:P

[04:29:32]

kormoc:

Nah, Meshe

[04:29:50]

wagnerrp:

im going to make the Program class the primary class for dealing with recordings and guide data, internally using the database ORMs

[04:30:05]

wagnerrp:

make a new class for Video content, with similar behavior

[04:30:15]

nutron:

ah ok, recently? if he's working on it, I'm more than glad to stop workin' on it

[04:30:29]

nutron:

oh gothca

[04:30:31]

wagnerrp:

she, not for... a year and a half maybe?

[04:30:38]

wagnerrp:

!seen meshe

[04:30:38]

MythLogBot:

meshe was last seen 274 days 5 hours 22 minutes 39 seconds ago

[04:30:46]

wagnerrp:

she used to be fairly active in here

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wagnerrp:

dropped off the radar a while back

[04:30:59]

nutron:

oic

[04:31:08]

wagnerrp:

shes been poping up more on the mailing list in the past two months or so

[04:31:20]

darkdrgn2k:

is there a place to configure bitrate oon the hdpvr? is it in the recording proviles?

[04:31:53]

kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, yes

[04:31:56]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: did she ever actually submit anything? or was she just considering it on goading from sphery?

[04:31:57]

nutron:

i'm not privy to the goings on with the project (not that I need to be) so I figured I'd code against a stable tree, and see where that takes me

[04:32:09]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, a few smaller patches

[04:32:22]

wagnerrp:

nutron: the stable tree is going to look very different from the unstable here in relatively short order

[04:32:36]

sphery:

wagnerrp: she did submit a few patches

[04:32:53]

wagnerrp:

recordings and videos are going to get partially merged into a new set of tables

[04:33:00]

sphery:

think life got in the way of doing a full perl bindings rewrite

[04:33:28]

nutron:

ahh, yeah that's everyone's story though isn't it... heck it's mine all the time :/

[04:33:31]

wagnerrp:

that pesky life thinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng...

[04:33:38]

wagnerrp:

oof...

[04:34:15]

nutron:

runnin' a business, two kids, wife, a ****-on for big trucks and playing with myth makes me sleep very little

[04:34:16]

kormoc:

nutron, but you're the boss! You get to tell the peons to get back to work while you write perl myth bindings all day long!

[04:34:23]

nutron:

not to mention the dead animals in the pool :P

[04:34:47]

kormoc:

nutron, I figured all the dark rites at night where why you didn't sleep and had dead animals in the pool

[04:35:05]

nutron:

nah, not that kinda guy really... i'd rather do the grunt work if the guy beside me is better at what needs to be accomplished

[04:35:21]

kormoc:

it's so silly that to summon bezubab it has to rain toads

[04:35:27]

nutron:

LOL!

[04:35:59]

kormoc:

nutron, so what is your company if you're comfortable sharing?

[04:36:17]

nutron:

you downloaded from its server the other day.. but that's not the whole picture

[04:36:23]

nutron:

it's travel ... ski industry

[04:36:48]

nutron:

but fighting on the expedia level now :(

[04:37:14]

nutron:

lodgingcompany.com.. is live rates, and perl... and it's fast... :P

[04:37:53]

kormoc:

Ahh, interesting business

[04:38:00]

nutron:

and no.. no memcached in use there

[04:38:16]

nutron:

yeah.. branching to sun destinations now.

[04:38:43]

darkdrgn2k:

*sigh* is there anyway to test a usb connection

[04:38:45]

kormoc:

Have you considered partnering with groupon or livesocial?

[04:39:51]

nutron:

the business model doesn't really allow for that kind of thing, we don't dictate price... only margin .. odd huh? :P

[04:41:48]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

[04:45:12]

darkdrgn2k:

ok question, is there a way to configure the HDPVR to only record certain channels (ie the HD ones)

[04:45:28]

darkdrgn2k:

and a differt (sd) tuner to record the rest

[04:45:33]

darkdrgn2k:

using Schedule Direct

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wagnerrp:

you can create separate lineups for the two tuners, and only put certain channels on each

[04:46:52]

wagnerrp:

not sure why you would want to

[04:47:04]

darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: hdpvr record the SD channels as 1080i

[04:47:21]

darkdrgn2k:

linups in schedule dorect/

[04:47:22]

wagnerrp:

only because your cable box is outputting them as 1080i

[04:47:36]

darkdrgn2k:

yes but thats allot of wasted space :-P

[04:47:37]

wagnerrp:

likely because your cableco is broadcasting them as 10808i

[04:47:45]

nutron:

a'ight g'nite people

[04:47:54]

** kormoc waves **

[04:48:03]

darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: its satalite.. and they are not broadcasting them at 1080i i think the receiver upconverts

[04:48:04]

sphery:

nutron: but mongodb is web scale

[04:48:29]

sphery:

(ref the movie kormoc once linked here)

[04:48:31]

wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: then tell the receiver to output at broadcast resolution, and not upconvert

[04:48:49]

darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: dont think i can... receiver suck balls :-p

[04:48:53]

wagnerrp:

candyshards for mongo

[04:49:16]

darkdrgn2k:

anyway where do i create the linux, in Schedule Direct or myth

[04:49:39]

wagnerrp:

i think you create the linux in finland

[04:49:43]

wagnerrp:

in the early 90s

[04:49:55]

sphery:

the NSFW video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs

[04:50:17]

wagnerrp:

candyshards for mongo

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, but the linux is git now so it's everywhere. you create it offline on planes!

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wagnerrp:

that was fun

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** [R] gets all sad cuz wagnerrp has ipv6 **

[05:17:52]

wagnerrp:

no, backend crashed

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wagnerrp:

ive had ipv6 since 2009

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** [R] gets more sad **

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wagnerrp:

Jun 18, 2009 apparently

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[R]:

aparently openwrt has ipv6 tunneling builtin

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** wagnerrp wallows in his allocated space of 1.2 septillion addresses **

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wagnerrp:

i can run 281 trillion of your puny internets

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[R]:

lol

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** kormoc switches to ipv64 **

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kormoc:

The only thought I have with ipv6 is poor poor arp tables

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i dont think people are going to have any larger of subnets than they do now

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kormoc:

just wait until someone pings FFFF::FFFF::FFFF::FFFF::FFFF

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kormoc:

(::FFFF ?)

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wagnerrp:

::1

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darkdrgn2k:

255.255.255.255.255.255.255.255.255.255 LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

wow did you guys redo the onscreen program guide in the past few versions?

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wagnerrp:

yes, somewhere in the past few versions

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darkdrgn2k:

first time im looking at it.. VERY nice job

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darkdrgn2k:

its actualy usable now!

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wagnerrp:

is ceton actually working with us to support mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was being done as contracted work

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[R]:

contract killer? what?

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wagnerrp:

tuner support

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[R]:

:)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, that's my understanding as well

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wagnerrp:

i mean i thought they were paying to get it written, but werent actually writing it themselves

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[R]:

paying to have someone killed? what?

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wagnerrp:

yes, the heads of the five cable companies

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kormoc:

[R], yes, I'm paying to have you knocked off... who spilled the beans?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: excellent...

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[R]:

kormoc: :(

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** wagnerrp is getting more and more motivation to write an init system daily **

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[R]:

sweet

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[R]:

we need another one!

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wagnerrp:

i plan to announce lofty goals and meet zero expectations

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wagnerrp:

im just becoming ever more frustrated with bourne-based systems

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[R]:

so i've been fighting with IT at my work fro 2 weeks to let me run netcat

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[R]:

i admitted defeat today and let them win :(

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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[R]:

to test some stuff i was doing

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[R]:

which i had already worked around by writing a perl script

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wagnerrp:

i mean... how can they prevent you

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[R]:

symantec caught it

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wagnerrp:

if youve got an open socket to run the perl script through, whats the difference with netcat

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[R]:

i had to write the code in perl to do what i wanted

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[R]:

netcat "just works"

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[R]:

and tahts the point, there is no differnece, thats why IT is stupid

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wagnerrp:

i meant... how could they detect it, and why would they even care

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[R]:

symantec autoprotect got it

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[R]:

they care because they think its a threat to their network

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kormoc:

but... how?

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[R]:

even though i was running it behind a firewall

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing to detect

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kormoc:

they detected a open socket?

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wagnerrp:

youre just dumping data straight onto the network

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[R]:

the signature of the program

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wagnerrp:

lightly wrapped in tcp packets

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[R]:

symantec actually called the threat Netcat

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kormoc:

there is no signature of netcat

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[R]:

kormoc: the .exe

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kormoc:

so it detected the binary on your box

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[R]:

yes

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kormoc:

okay, that makes sense

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kormoc:

We thought you ment a network scanner caught it

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wagnerrp:

so that means youre running activeperl?

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wagnerrp:

eew

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[R]:

cygwin

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wagnerrp:

certainly perl is far more dangerous than netcat could ever be

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[R]:

which is exactly the point

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[R]:

they aren't the brightest crayons in the box

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wagnerrp:

baby puke yellow

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[R]:

oh man, i love this episode of mash

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[R]:

the one wher ethey exchange the money

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darkdrgn2k:

any one know how to compile media_tree of l4v?

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[R]:

and winchester tries to scam people and in the end has a pile of old money

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kormoc:

Left 4 Vampires?

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wagnerrp:

you will be if youre the slow runner

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kormoc:

Tis okay, I have a pocket full of peanuts

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wagnerrp:

those are to keep robert goulet away, they do nothing to vampires

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Xfiles episode "Bad Blood". Vampires have to pick up anything dropped on the floor. I was mistaken about peanuts, it was sunflower seeds. Moulder drops them and the vampire is OCD and has to pick them all up, one by one, counting

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall ever seeing that one

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kormoc:

it was one of the best episodes ever

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wagnerrp:

luke wilson was in that?

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mrfg:

Hi, I have question about mythtv on ubuntu server. I have 5 hauppauge hvr-2200 dual channel tv cards and I want to record 10 channels same time. Is it possible to using mythtv? what plugins, configuration I need? help

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

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[R]:

mrfg: no plugins

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[R]:

mrfg: the documentation is all you need

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mrfg:

[R] thanks, I will try

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dserban:

2011-02–01 21:59:30.132 TVRec(2): ASK_RECORDING 2 29 0 0 <-- what does that line of the log really say?

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dserban:

anyone?

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wagnerrp:

it says... '2011-02–01 21:59:30.132 TVRec(2): ASK_RECORDING 2 29 0 0'

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dserban:

record... on card id 2... ask for a recording 2 ... 29 ... 0 ... 0?

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dserban:

this is 20 seconds before my pvr150 locked up

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dserban:

with no feedback again.. :/

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nutron-home:

bah

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wagnerrp:

:)

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mianos:

it's a pretty normal message

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mianos:

on my myth box that is very stable it's in the log

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mianos:

so I don't thinkt hat's a sign of impending doom

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ec.cpp#L1711

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wagnerrp:

cardid, seconds until recording, bool of existing recording, bool of future scheduling options

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nutron-home:

wagnerrp, thanks... it seems that the program it attempted to record was on a different card.. 3 hours earlier when it locked... odd, I vaguely remember a ml post about this...

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nutron-home:

can i look back in time through the listings to see if it actually attempted a reschedule or if it was just delayed

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nutron-home:

?

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sphery:

nutron-home: frontend, Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded shows the status of all recording rules matches for the last 10 days (and history of all recorded/never-recorded episodes forever)

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sphery:

so you can find out why it did/didn't record any episode by looking there

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nutron-home:

ok I see. Thanks. Yeah the zero-byte files are marked as failed, it just successfully grabbed a show that was marked as faild

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nutron-home:

failed*

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nutron-home:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/467156#467156 that sounds exactly like my problem .. ugh .. guess it wasn't pci latency

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you still need to write linux drivers for the network card... :)

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nutron-home:

ugh and he doesn't get much help... i'll remove all my recorders and add them again

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nutron-home:

frikk this is making myth useless

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nutron-home:

bah!

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mrfg:

Hi, Is there any driver hauppauge hvr 2200 (2250) ANALOG driver for mythtv? I found digital only.

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wagnerrp:

no, there are no tuner drivers for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

there are however tuner drivers for linux

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wagnerrp:

including analog tuner drivers for the HVR-2200 cards

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jcarlos_:

Can someone tell me if mythtv-setup is the responsible of creating the tables in the database mythconverg ?

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wagnerrp:

tables are created when the database schema is set

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wagnerrp:

the primary schema is set by either running mythtv-setup or mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

the plugin schemas are set by running mythfrontend

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jcarlos:

Theanks

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jcarlos:

Thanks*

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mrfg:

wagnerrp, can you give me url where I can download hvr 2200 analog driver

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wagnerrp:

http://git.linuxtv.org/

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Can you tell me where in the code is the primary schema ?

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wagnerrp:

what are you looking to do?

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Only lurking ... :-)

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wagnerrp:

there are several 'dbcheck.cpp' files scattered about

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wagnerrp:

those hold the different schema configs

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: I thought there was a .sql file somewhere ...

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wagnerrp:

there is an mc.sql used to create the database, but that does little more than set the default character set

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wagnerrp:

the schema is entirely managed within the code

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Yes ... I found that file ... but not what I was looking for ...

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jcarlos:

I understand now ...

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wagnerrp:

default character set, and default credentials

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont think i used it when setting up my current database

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wagnerrp:

and that was like 5 years ago

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mianos:

on my ubuntu .24+fixes from the PPA the pip does not seem to work

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mianos:

there seems to be a few oustanding bugs

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wagnerrp:

its broken

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mianos:

is it normal it's broken at the moment?

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mianos:

ok

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mianos:

cool

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mianos:

well, not cool it's busted, it's just I've not busted it

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mianos:

overratted for me anyway

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wagnerrp:

apparently one of the things not yet re-enabled after the OSD and video player rewrite

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wagnerrp:

was shipped with it broken, as its a relatively unused feature

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wagnerrp:

three months its been out, and earlier today was actually the first time i had heard it wasnt working

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mianos:

I finally got the PS3 style joystock with flipout keyboard going all good and sat down with a key card to mess with all the goodies

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wagnerrp:

joystick with keyboard?

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mianos:

remote that's a joystick HID with keyboard

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wagnerrp:

sounds excessively large

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mianos:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/pc-console-games-ga . . . ing-fan.html

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mianos:

there are a few pluses

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wagnerrp:

huh... thats actually not bad

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mianos:

it's RF, it's got a charging dock

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mianos:

it's rated 10M but works from anyroom in my place

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mianos:

and the top bit has SAF

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wagnerrp:

why not bluetooth?

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mianos:

with the keyboard approved by me

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mianos:

good question, I actually thought it was bluetooth whe I ordered it

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mianos:

it's certainly not worth the 40 bucks I paid for it though

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

unusable buttons?

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mianos:

it works, sure, but it's not bluetooth and it's not a quality product, compared to a real sony BD remote

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wagnerrp:

ah

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mianos:

it all works now

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mianos:

plus, as is typical of these console controllers a lot of the buttons are the same code

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mianos:

pause, play etc etc

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mianos:

not that it's a huge issue

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zoran119:

hi everyone

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zoran119:

i have a remote working with lirc (irw confirms that it is working)

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zoran119:

but i am not sure what to do to get mythtv frontend listening to the keys

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zoran119:

can someone point me in the right direction?

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zoran119:

under setup->general there is lirc config section... do i need to put someting in there?

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waxhead:

zoran119, what distro are you using?

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waxhead:

what sort of remote is it?

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zoran119:

using slackware and the remote is topseed rm-vr1

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zoran119:

i got the config for the remote from lirc website and put it into /etc/lircd.conf

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zoran119:

irw reports that the remote is working

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waxhead:

so the keys are being picked up ok then?

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zoran119:

the only thing is that i had to start lirc with this 'lircd --device=/dev/lirc/0'

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zoran119:

waxhead: yes

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waxhead:

you should be able to set things like that in the /etc/lircd/hardware.conf

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waxhead:

I think.. I'm no expert

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waxhead:

however you'll also need something like the mythtv.conf in this link:

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waxhead:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Keithamus

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waxhead:

which is mostly an example..

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waxhead:

I'm fairly sure there's better links...

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waxhead:

for me I was able to get away with dpkg-reconfigure lirc and I was given a gui to pick the remote from

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waxhead:

I think there are canned configs...

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waxhead:

zoran119, look in something like /usr/share/lirc/remotes/

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waxhead:

then you can link to one of the right configs...

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waxhead:

I think...

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waxhead:

been a while since I've done it...

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vontrapp:

my mythbackend process just started spitting out a bunch of lines like this

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vontrapp:

CC length(27) seq_num(1) 0xe 0x39 0x15 ... ... ...

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stoth:

Hmm. what happened to myth-dev?

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iamlindoro:

There's a myth-dev?

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iamlindoro:

Our dev channel is #mythtv FWIW

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stoth:

thx

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iamlindoro:

(though I might be misunderstanding and you might mean the mailing list)

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iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: im looking at the mention of the MythSystem stuff in the major changes, and wondering if it should be in there

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wagnerrp:

i mean it was several thousand lines of new or rewritten code

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wagnerrp:

but from the end user perspective, they will never see any difference

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skd5aner:

OK, fair enough... does the rewrite enable/extend new functionality as a result?

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wagnerrp:

to the programmer, yes

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know who you want to gear the release notes to

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skd5aner:

If it's an enabler to something, then we might want to leave it in with a tag line that says that the rewrite "enables new exciting features not previously possible" or something

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skd5aner:

end-user

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skd5aner:

but, I do tend to mention things in the release notes that have major impact, even if not to the user's experience

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skd5aner:

if for no other reason then to simply recognize the hard work

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wagnerrp:

it was previously possible using one of a number of other methods

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skd5aner:

also, myth-ui and some of the translation and theme stuff is sometimes where I take exception and do include "developer" related changes since themers and translaters might be interested in seeing that stuff called out... same for some of hte binding stuff

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wagnerrp:

but there used to be half a dozen or so other interfaces

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wagnerrp:

the rewrite allows them to instead all use a single set of internal code

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I'll remove it from the major changes section, I also included it in the misc. section, so I can just leave the line item there rather than calling it out as a major change at the top :)

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wagnerrp:

well its up to you

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skd5aner:

nah, you convienced me... it was something I debated for a short bit before adding it anyway

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wagnerrp:

im just thinking from the end user.. 'mythsystem? whats that? it doesnt seem to have made any difference'

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skd5aner:

exactly

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skd5aner:

alright, pretty busy at work, I'll take care of it later today

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skd5aner:

thx

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wagnerrp:

no rush

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wagnerrp:

odd.. the 'support libraries' doesnt have an edit button

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FabriceMG:

hello

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, i have located the problem

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FabriceMG:

I have 1 python script , i use 0.24 Python Bindings

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, sorry, I ate

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kormoc:

oh god

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kormoc:

Tom Bongiorno is telling the -users list that cablecards will work in linux now

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FabriceMG:

I have make 1 python script, I use basic function

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FabriceMG:

BE = MythBE()

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FabriceMG:

DB = MythDB()

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FabriceMG:

program = BE.getRecording(int(opts.chanid), int(opts.starttime))

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kormoc:

FabriceMG, for the love of god, please use a pastebin rather then copying and pasting into the channel

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JEDIDIAH__:

He's not the first.

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wagnerrp:

still waiting for a question

[19:17:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

It's not like people didnt' get excited about the silicon dust one before.

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JEDIDIAH__:

Personally, I am still waiting to see either one at Frys or Microcenter.

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FabriceMG:

since this WeekEnd, If i launch this script on console or in job queue , while script running, if you launch 1 livetv, the frontend is very very very slow

[19:18:03]

wagnerrp:

the HDHRP is not yet available for sale, and ive heard the ceton tuners are on back order for the better part of a year

[19:18:20]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what this script is or does

[19:18:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

well yeah. my view of CC tuners has always been that they are pretty vaporous...

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wagnerrp:

i see a bit of code meant to get program info from the backend

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wagnerrp:

something that should take all of a few dozen milliseconds even on a slow machine

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FabriceMG:

only that

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FabriceMG:

i have some error on logfile master , i pastebin

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FabriceMG:

http://pastebin.com/qcmYtc3m

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FabriceMG:

I think there is a mistake on 0.24 Python Bindings and MythSocket

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wagnerrp:

there are some known issues with the backend socket server, that cause it to go nuts and stop responding to information

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wagnerrp:

while im not sure what causes it, the python bindings shouldnt be doing anything special to trigger it

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FabriceMG:

and this error block the frontend com's

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FabriceMG:

it started this wendend

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FabriceMG:

it started this weekend

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FabriceMG:

on 0.24 fixe mythbuntu

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FabriceMG:

on my script only that http://pastebin.com/yCWWqmJK

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wagnerrp:

first, there is no need to int() those inputs

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wagnerrp:

the function will handle them as strings just fine

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wagnerrp:

second, thats the wrong way to update the jobstatus

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wagnerrp:

use Job(jobid).update({'status':<whatever>})

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wagnerrp:

or Job(jobid).setStatus(<whatever>)

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FabriceMG:

if you want

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wagnerrp:

as far as causing problems with the backend, its possible that the getRecording call is causing the backend to go haywire

[19:34:28]

wagnerrp:

but its likely the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back"

[19:34:44]

wagnerrp:

unless youre sending some bad data to it that the backend cannot handle, it should work

[19:35:29]

wagnerrp:

there are a lot of reports on the mailing list about the backend socket server seizing up and spewing those errors to the log

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what the cause or solution is, other than to just restart the backend when it happens

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FabriceMG:

I make 1 little test with Job(jobid).setStatus(<whatever>)

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FabriceMG:

Where is Job function in 0.24 ?

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wagnerrp:

'from MythTV import Job'

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

too bad that Job doesn't pay $$$

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FabriceMG:

Beirdo,what is Error 6 in mythtranscode? :)

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Beirdo:

dunno, you'd have to go read the code or the logs

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . /exitcodes.h

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt be any errors that low

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Beirdo:

you'll have to look at the same version you are running, of course

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Beirdo:

that got renumbered

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wagnerrp:

oh right, forgot about that

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wagnerrp:

but even before, there were none that low

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Beirdo:

which means something is doing "return 6" effectively

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FabriceMG:

terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'

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FabriceMG:

what(): std::bad_alloc

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FabriceMG:

I have sometime is error , I make 2 pass with mencode in fifo mode of mythranscode, frist pass , no problem but sometime in second pass , boummm

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, bad news, the bug is on BE or DB object ! not on Job , I have disabled Job function

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FabriceMG:

I research

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wagnerrp:

of course its not on Job, you werent using Job

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wagnerrp:

the only call that could cause problems with the backend are calls made through MythBE

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wagnerrp:

of which you only made one

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wagnerrp:

but that call works

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wagnerrp:

so unless you were feeding that call bad data, such that it broke something in the backend, it should not cause problems wither

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wagnerrp:

either

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wagnerrp:

unless it just happened to be the unlucky call that caused some other bug to exhibit itself

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blk:

in my brand new mythbuntu setup, the backend segfaults at startup. The last message show in -v all is "WorkerThread:Run – Exiting: HTTP_WorkerThread" and gdb says its crashing in the ThreadPool destructor from libmythupnp-0.24.so.0. Any ideas on what that is? Running with --noupnp doesn't help either

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wagnerrp:

destructor means its shutting down, not starting up

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wagnerrp:

and if its shutting down automatically, that means you have a problem in your configuration that caused mythbackend to refuse to run

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, did you have 1 version 0.24 fixe?

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wagnerrp:

not sure what youre asking

[20:09:36]

FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, did you have 0.24 fixe version?

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wagnerrp:

no, im running trunk, but that call has not changed since the 0.24 release

[20:10:34]

wagnerrp:

honestly, i dont think its changed since the 0.21 release

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blk:

wagnerrp, could be, as i get "Scheduler, Error: No capture cards are defined" but i guess myth should also run without capture cards.. otherwise destructors are called when an object is destroyed which also happens all the time during runtime

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wagnerrp:

blk: the threadpool will not terminate until mythbackend itself is terminating

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wagnerrp:

and no, mythbackend cannot run without capture cards

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wagnerrp:

mythtv exists to record tv

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wagnerrp:

to record tv, you need capture cards

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wagnerrp:

theres no purpose to run if there are no capture cards defined

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blk:

wagnerrp, nah – i also had it running (0.23 i think) on my carpc.. definitely no capture card there

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wagnerrp:

tunerless operation has always been an unsupported mode of use

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wagnerrp:

in 0.24, a sanity check was added into the scheduler code which caused it to terminate if improperly configured

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wagnerrp:

it had the side effect of making tunerless operation not function at all

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wagnerrp:

but since that is not supported anyway, it was not something that was seen as needing to be fixed before release

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blk:

is there a dummy tuner to configure?

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wagnerrp:

yes, there is

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blk:

(while i'm waiting for the capture card)

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wagnerrp:

but ive never used it, so i dont know how to set it up

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wagnerrp:

0.25 is going to have mythtv-setup be consumed by mythbackend, and served up as a webpage

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wagnerrp:

which will require tunerless operation to function, if for no other reason than to allow the user to configure a tuner for the first time

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wagnerrp:

with mythvideo/music/gallery planned to be merged into the core mythfrontend, rather than as plugins, expect to see mythtv migrate to something more functional as a general HTPC

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wagnerrp:

rather than designed to record TV

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blk:

good to know.. but i'm not gonna run 0.25 at this point.. i'll try to setup one of these demo-recorders

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wagnerrp:

0.25 isnt out yet anyway, and the web configuration not yet written

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wagnerrp:

the unstable branch still requires tuners be configured to run

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kormoc:

Woo! OCZ's Z-Drive R3 supports NCQ

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** kormoc facepalms **

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why a flash drive would even need that

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's a enterprise pci-e flash drive, it's not even using a sata interface. I bet it's just a checkbox for marketing/PHBs

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wagnerrp:

i had always though TRIM support, and an intelligent idle garbage collector were key for those things

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wagnerrp:

well if its PCIe, that probably means it shows up as a SAS controller

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wagnerrp:

which supports NCQ

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kormoc:

just weird that they'd even make that a point on the feature list

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wagnerrp:

'The channels available for capture with the Ceton InfiniTV 4 with CableCard will be identical to those available over FireWire.' ... has anyone ever confirmed that?

[20:20:36]

wagnerrp:

i always just considered that internet conjecture

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, test this http://pastebin.com/57ep6tRS

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kormoc:

sadly there are no PCI-e SSD platforms that support trim, but aye, GC is key

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'm fairly certain that was confirmed at CES last year when SD talked to them directly

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wagnerrp:

dont use isinstance

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FabriceMG:

launch this script in console on backend and after launch 1 frontend and watch LiveTV

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wagnerrp:

there are very few times when that is needed

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FabriceMG:

if you want

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wagnerrp:

and in that case... just do 'if opts.chanid is None'

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wagnerrp:

or even 'if not opts.chanid'

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wagnerrp:

since a chanid of 0 is inavlid

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wagnerrp:

you run some CheckProgram(), but that function is not defined

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FabriceMG:

delete

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wagnerrp:

the whole 'get path of recording' block... look at the findfile() function in the bindings

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wagnerrp:

it returns the storage group that the file can be found in

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wagnerrp:

so your path would be sg.dirname+filename

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wagnerrp:

well thats nice... seems 'raw' on pastebin doesnt actually mean what you would expect

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wagnerrp:

download still wraps it in the same HTML garbage

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sphery:

raw just gives you a page with plain text

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sphery:

Download gives you the file as a download

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wagnerrp:

sphery: look at the source, its not plain text

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sphery:

but both seem to substitute dos line breaks

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sphery:

heh, wow

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sphery:

it is

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sphery:

so it's raw for copy/paste

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sphery:

probably done that way because a certain "smarter than mime-types, thank you" browser completely disregards server-specified Content-Type headers when it recognized the format

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sphery:

so depending on what's pasted, IE would do the wrong thing without HTML wrapper

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sphery:

thank MS--don't blame Pastebin :)

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FabriceMG:

Chrome

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sphery:

but using a real browser won't help, here, since they designed the site for the least, common browser

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sphery:

(not least-common, but least, common)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: those DOS newlines explain why the normal shebang isnt working

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, pretty much have to dos2unix it

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wagnerrp:

python will run it directly, i just cant have the system automatically decide what to run it in

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wagnerrp:

so, aside from all the various syntax errors that needed to be corrected, it runs just fine

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sphery:

Qt 4.7 is huge

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wagnerrp:

picks up a program, finds the recording, starts idle looping

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sphery:

470MB for examples and framework install + 715MB for debug symbols

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FabriceMG:

http://pastebin.com/ruscWx8d

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FabriceMG:

reformated

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justdave:

jya: been digging in scrollback and don't see that anyone's mentioned it... did you know your ubuntu repo is signed with an expired key? (and thus synaptic refuses to update from it)

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wagnerrp:

its still not doing anything that would cause trouble with the backend

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wagnerrp:

unless youre sending it bad information

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wagnerrp:

what are you using as the chanid and starttime?

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sphery:

justdave: I heard that GeoHot cracked his keys and distributed them on the 'net

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wagnerrp:

the backend protocol is not very robust against bad data

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justdave:

ah, how lovely. :|

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wagnerrp:

no, scratch that

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wagnerrp:

you cant send bad data to the backend

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FabriceMG:

I launch with mythweb , but the information is good

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wagnerrp:

since i force it into a format that the frontend will accept

[20:42:52]

wagnerrp:

either the bindings themselves raise an error due to bad format

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FabriceMG:

i have the good chanid and starttime

[20:43:03]

wagnerrp:

or the backend will simply not find a match

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FabriceMG:

look your mythbakend log file

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wagnerrp:

nothing of note for the past several hours

[20:45:05]

wagnerrp:

other than MFD cant find 'wget' for some odd reason

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sphery:

do we know what specific errors FabriceMG is seeing?

[20:45:42]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the one where the backend socket server goes haywire, and stops fielding requests

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sphery:

ahhh

[20:45:49]

wagnerrp:

completely unrelated to the bindings

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

seems to be a problem with certain hardware and/or distros (due to their specific combination of kernel, libs, etc)

[20:46:40]

sphery:

where not all users see it, but those who do see it a lot

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** sphery is one who does not see it, so can't really debug it **

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FabriceMG:

sphery, http://pastebin.com/ze96MDv7

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, its a problem that we know of, but we cant reliably reproduce, and have no idea the cause

[20:47:07]

wagnerrp:

but that cause is not the python bindings

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sphery:

yeah, I think that's just the typical "socket issues" that no one knows what's causing

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sphery:

and no one can really repro to debugh

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sphery:

what kind of backend system?

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sphery:

hardware wise

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, the error is on master backend and the frontend , not on python bindings and the master backend

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FabriceMG:

Mythbuntu 10.10 , 0.24 autobluid

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wagnerrp:

so why are you questioning me about this script causing it?

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FabriceMG:

1 busy socket

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FabriceMG:

after , i launch mythranscode, mencoder, oggenc

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wagnerrp:

the bindings will keep a protocol socket open so long as you have that 'MythBE' object open

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FabriceMG:

sphery, It's 1 Dell 540s with 3 DVBT (nova 500 TD HD + 1 stick)

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sphery:

so processor and memory?

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sphery:

looks like C2D or C2Q 2.8GHz...

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sphery:

so that should be good for a backend

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FabriceMG:

STUDIO DESKTOP 540ST : INTEL CORE 2 DUO + 2 Go + Hard drive 2x 1.5To + Nvidia GT220

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sphery:

so that means the socket issues probably aren't caused by under-spec'ed systems just being overloaded

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FabriceMG:

before sunday , no problem, I have updated monday, I have see this error

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jya:

justdave: re-download the signing key; I extended it on the day it expired

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FabriceMG:

new test, if i launch the little script (http://pastebin.com/ruscWx8d) on slave and frontend on 1 other computer

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FabriceMG:

I see this error on master log file

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FabriceMG:

If I stop the script on slave, this error disappear and the livetv on frontend is run precfectly

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wagnerrp:

are you getting a bunch of errors about HTTP::ThreadPool?

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blk:

wagnerrp, thanks setting up a dummy source indeed worked :)

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FabriceMG:

if I launch the script on master , the frontend is more fast but the error is again present in backend log file

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wagnerrp:

what error?

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FabriceMG:

2011-02–02 22:13:51.787 MythSocket(ffffffffb389b9e8:47): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (923 errors)

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blk:

and for anyone getting segfaults when trying to change the audio settings, change the theme to something different than Mythbuntu

[21:19:20]

sphery:

blk: segfaults using mythbuntu theme?

[21:19:36]

sphery:

blk: have you updated to most-current mythbuntu theme?

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blk:

sphery, i have the 0.24 ppa repo up to date

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sphery:

does that contain a myththemes package?

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blk:

sphery, got into a mutex lockup when trying to load an image that's required on the music settings page (didn't bother to check which)

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sphery:

hmmm

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blk:

sphery, i'm not sure.. i'll check

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sphery:

that would be worth getting a bug report with backtrace for, if you have the tiem

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sphery:

was just wondering if you're supposed to use the theme chooser to download most current or if they're still pushing myththemes packages to you

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wagnerrp:

i need to learn cython and rewrite my socket code...

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sphery:

(for every single changed theme, including ones you're not using...)

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Chat7857:

hey room im new here

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, did you have one explanation?

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blk:

sphery, https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.24 there's only a single mythtv package – they must be packing everything in there

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wagnerrp:

the socket error you describe is something completely unrelated to the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

there is another issue with the backend, something to do with the HTTP::ThreadPool

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FabriceMG:

i think to

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, python socket connections are allocating threads from that pool

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Chat7857:

im frm jamaica

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wagnerrp:

and since those never get deallocated due to a bug

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FabriceMG:

Frontend <-> masterBackend

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wagnerrp:

the pool gets filled

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wagnerrp:

meaning new connections cannot be made

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wagnerrp:

causing new recordings from slave backends to fail

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wagnerrp:

and possible issues with the frontend that ive not seen

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wagnerrp:

either way, thats also unrelated to the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

and is another bug in mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

both can only be resolved by restarting the backend

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darkdrgn2k:

hey guys really stupid question but when applying IRBlaster to devices

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darkdrgn2k:

do you put the RED side towards the IR reciever or the white sticky side?

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wagnerrp:

the sticky side

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wagnerrp:

but you remove the white wax paper first

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FabriceMG:

For ask one evolution of mythranscode, I make 1 ticket?

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darkdrgn2k:

is there a generic example of a blaster script availabl

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wagnerrp:

tickets are for bugs and patches only

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wagnerrp:

feature requests are not accepted

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FabriceMG:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you can open one and mark it as a task, if you intend to supply patches at a later date

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stuckey:

how do I use this?

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sphery:

blk: yeah, it seems to have myththemes in it, so it's not just out of date

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sphery:

it's something that needs a ticket and a backtrace and a fix :)

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wagnerrp:

stuckey: do you even know what 'this' is?

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blk:

sphery, i'll provide the former two when i'm back at the machine

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, Add to mythtranscode one option for select the language on mpeg file

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: there are less than a dozen active developers, with a code base 2.5 million lines large, we dont take feature requests

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wagnerrp:

we take patches to fulfill feature requests

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wagnerrp:

and there are several wishlist pages on the wiki, that people can look at for ideas if they have any free time

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stuckey:

wagnerrp: i run mythfrontend and it asks me stuff that I don't know about then it says can't login.

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wagnerrp:

stuckey: have you read anything about mythtv? or did you just install some package and hit 'run'?

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stuckey:

installed packages and hit run.

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wagnerrp:

then you need to read the documentation

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wagnerrp:

you need to create a database for mythtv to use

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wagnerrp:

you need to configure your tuner cards and recording storage in mythtv-setup

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stuckey:

this is beyond my capabilities.

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wagnerrp:

reading documentation is beyond your capabilities?

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stuckey:

i don't know what a database is.

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wagnerrp:

thats why you read the documentation, so it can walk you through what you need to do

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: stupid question but wouldnt a distro include the database in its pacakge?

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stuckey:

why isn't this done automatically?

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wagnerrp:

because mythtv doesnt run its own database, it uses mysql which will need to be installed on your system

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wagnerrp:

and since mythtv cannot know the root login to mysql without you telling it, you have to create the database on your own

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darkdrgn2k:

staylo: if you want a plug and play copy of myth go with mythdora for mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

if you use something like mythbuntu, it will do the basic database configuration for you

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wagnerrp:

like darkdrgn2k suggests

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wagnerrp:

you will still need to manually configure your tuner cards in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

but it will automate a lot of the installation tasks

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stuckey:

okay, i'll check back with this later.

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** wagnerrp prods sphery about embedded mysql **

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wagnerrp:

:)

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sphery:

hmmm... what?

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wagnerrp:

stuckey> why isn't this done automatically?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: didn't Beirdo fix the http threadpool issue

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sphery:

maybe it wasn't backported

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wagnerrp:

i believe it was

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wagnerrp:

meaning the daily builds /should/ have picked it up

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wagnerrp:

but you know how those shoulds work

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sphery:

heh, yeah, embedded mysql would be nice

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

embedded mysql means more direct support work for sphery :)

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Beirdo:

I think I backported the threadpool fix

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darkdrgn2k:

um hey is there a way to pull a snapshot of whats currently going through a capture card in myth?

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wagnerrp:

you can request a screenshot from a current recording with the proper mythproto calls

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darkdrgn2k:

ok good to know... what if its not currently recording

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wagnerrp:

then theres nothing to snapshot

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darkdrgn2k:

trying to figure out a way to make the irblaster script detect if the device is actualy on or not....

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darkdrgn2k:

figured analysing a snapshot would work well

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to control?

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Beirdo:

Hmm. looks as though I did NOT backport that fix

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darkdrgn2k:

Bell HD Receiver

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wagnerrp:

so satellite?

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darkdrgn2k:

ya

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wagnerrp:

is it directv or dish that does the network control?

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sphery:

doesn't the discrete power code for the dish boxes work with that

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darkdrgn2k:

well box DOES have an ethernet jack on it

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darkdrgn2k:

but i dont think it works for control

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration

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darkdrgn2k:

o.O hmm i wonder if bell was nice enought to allow for that..

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sphery:

If using the discrete power_on button, I recommend you do not include it in a channel change script. If the receiver is, in fact, off, it will not receive/process additional commands after the "power_on" until it has finished booting. Therefore, if you do most of your recording during primetime, you could set up a daily cron job to send a "power_on" a few minutes before primetime begins. You may even try sending the command more often ...

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sphery:

... (i.e. at 25 and 55 past each hour), but test this out before any important recordings.

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sphery:

unless they've changed their remote protocol, that should be the best lirc config for dish and bell stbs

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm interesting thanx

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Beirdo:

looks like I backtraced half the fix, which gets almost all of it, but not the part that keeps exiting from crashing

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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darkdrgn2k:

my power button config for lirc is power 0x0000000000000800

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darkdrgn2k:

ok ill have to play with it

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darkdrgn2k:

thanx

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sphery:

I recommend trying that exact lirc config to replace yours

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Beirdo:

there, other half backported

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darkdrgn2k:

well pwoeron seemed to work

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Steve_Goodey:

"how do I use this?" Classic, almost wet myself.

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xand:

thanks so much Freeview >:|

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Steve_Goodey:

xand: What have they done?

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xand:

broke most of my channels last week due to changing frequencies or whatever

[22:29:04]

Steve_Goodey:

xand: Digital Switchover or something else?

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xand:

something else

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xand:

http://www.freeview.co.uk/Resolutions/About-C . . . n-26-January

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Shadow__X:

!seen stuarta

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MythLogBot:

stuarta was last seen 5 days 10 hours 37 minutes 18 seconds ago

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Steve_Goodey:

xand: Not good, how did you get on with the retune? I need to do similair due to new channels and some moving.

[22:32:05]

xand:

I haven't done it yet.

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xand:

didn't know about it until today

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Steve_Goodey:

xand: Ouch! Lost recordings?

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skd5aner:

easy question – what's "svn info" in git?

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xand:

yes

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kormoc:

skd5aner, http://justamemo.com/2009/02/09/git-info-almost-like-svn-info/

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skd5aner:

kormoc: heh, ok :)

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kormoc:

skd5aner, officially it's 'cat .git/config` but that's a little nicer output

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skd5aner:

so, what's the built in command to see what's checked out?

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skd5aner:

pulled, whatever

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xand:

argh this is a nightmare

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kormoc:

skd5aner, git log

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kormoc:

?

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skd5aner:

I don't know :S

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skd5aner:

I'm just looking for some stupid way to say "here's the current SHA hash version you have pulled of this branch" and maybe the incremental number version that was talked about too

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skd5aner:

svn info was pretty easy

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kormoc:

git status?

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** kormoc nudges Beirdo **

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skd5aner:

nah, status doesn't give me more than "# On branch fixes/0.24" :(

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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skd5aner:

git log gives a TON of stuff

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Beirdo:

git describe?

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skd5aner:

YAY

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skd5aner:

we have a winner

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Beirdo:

that doesn't tell you which branch you are currently on

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** skd5aner gives Beirdo a thank you note **

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Beirdo:

but git branch would tell you that (or git status)

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skd5aner:

v0.24-61-gf3ddc58

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Beirdo:

heh, no prob.

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skd5aner:

good enough for my needs, I know I'm always using fixes :)

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skd5aner:

kormoc: thanks for throwing stuff out there

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Beirdo:

well, that reads... 61 commits after the tag v0.24, and the commit hash starts with f3ddc58

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skd5aner:

what's the g?

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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Beirdo:

which should give you the majority of what you're looking for

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kormoc:

worthless and annoying!

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Beirdo:

it's a g for git

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skd5aner:

:P

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Beirdo:

and yeah, other than that, serves nearly no purpose

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kormoc:

"Is it a hash that starts with g or is it a git hash?"

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Beirdo:

hashes can't start with g

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Beirdo:

hashes are hexidecimal :)

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kormoc:

there is no requirement for that to be true!

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** sphery starts to post all hashes in base-17 **

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Beirdo:

yes there is, actually

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** kormoc releases the K-Hash, base 17 and waits for the internet police to arrest him **

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Beirdo:

hehe. Git uses SHA1, base 16 representation

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AndyCap:

kormoc: the K-10 units are on their way

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Beirdo:

if you did that, it would no longer be git, it would be kit

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: does it have walking led lights?

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Beirdo:

Dunno, you'd have to ask kormoc... he invented it :)

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Beirdo:

git-get-tar-commit-id

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Beirdo:

say what?!

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Beirdo:

gives you the commit ID from a git-archive tarball?!

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sphery:

ah, yeah, ggtci

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Beirdo:

that could be useful for some who like to pull tarballs )

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

seems git really does have a command for everything

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Beirdo:

buried deeply, there's all sorts of cool and (un)interesting crap in there

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kormoc:

yes... crap is the correct descriptor... ;)

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Beirdo:

now now, there's plenty of crap in other VCS too

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kormoc:

Hrm

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kormoc:

plzip -d 7gb.lz requires more then 20 gigs of free ram... that's kinda a problem

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sphery:

strange

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sphery:

must be a huge dictionary?

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sphery:

seems default for lzip is 8MiB dictionary...

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sphery:

(assuming -6, 32MiB for -9)

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kormoc:

I'm piping it to tar, perhaps that's an issue...

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sphery:

ah, could be...

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sphery:

tar maintains info on each inode, so it can properly handle hard links, IIRC

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sphery:

but then again, maybe that's only on creation

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kormoc:

bzip -d | tar works fine

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kormoc:

same with gzip -d | tar

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** kormoc shrugs **

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sphery:

could be a mem leak in *lzip

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sphery:

or are you using pv or something?

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kormoc:

I am using pv, aye

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kormoc:

pv | plzip -d | tar...

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sphery:

wonder if something in the pipeline is causing it to keep stuff in memory

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kormoc:

hrm

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sphery:

though if all is the same other than the plzip -d, that doesn't make sense

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kormoc:

I should test that, aye. I'm just glad OOM didn't wipe ssh

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sphery:

(for the other compressors)

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sphery:

heh, yeah, that would be bad

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kormoc:

aye, exactly the same command line

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sphery:

kormoc: Decompression-only code for LZMA generally compiles to around 5 KiB and the amount of RAM required during decompression is principally determined by the size of the sliding window used during compression. Small code size and relatively low memory overhead, particularly with smaller dictionary lengths, and free source code make the LZMA decompression algorithm well-suited to embedded applications. (per ...

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sphery:

... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lempel%E2%80%93Z . . . in_algorithm )

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kormoc:

weird

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sphery:

maybe you just need to use a less-powerful embedded system

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kormoc:

oh, for sure

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