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| [00:21:31] | stevezau: | I'm having troubles trying to find a usb ir receiver in Aus(sydney).. any chance someone here is from aus that knows where i can buy one? :D |
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| [01:55:47] | ** nutron sees a tumbleweed roll by ** | |
| [01:55:58] | nutron: | please don't tell me you guys actually party on fridays |
| [01:56:02] | nutron: | =) |
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| [02:03:29] | kormoc: | WOO! MYTH USERS GONE WILD!!! |
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| [02:04:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | that's later... and off line. |
| [02:05:22] | sphery: | so I flipped through 4 channels and still didn't see the tumbleweed... |
| [02:05:30] | sphery: | must have been moving fast |
| [02:06:37] | iamlindoro: | Oh god, IT'S A TWISTER! |
| [02:07:10] | ** kormoc waits for a cow to fly by ** | |
| [02:07:22] | sphery: | ooh, and there are Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton |
| [02:08:13] | nutron: | lol! |
| [02:10:39] | ** wagnerrp flashes kormoc ** | |
| [02:11:02] | ** nutron hides his beer ** | |
| [02:11:30] | kormoc: | nutron, you should see him when he's drunk! |
| [02:11:39] | wagnerrp: | WOO! |
| [02:11:43] | nutron: | colon-oh |
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| [02:46:01] | Beirdo: | mmmm. beer |
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| [03:00:47] | appamatto: | I'm getting some message "MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?" |
| [03:00:57] | appamatto: | When I try to do watch tv |
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| [03:02:27] | wagnerrp: | then you missed some step when configuring your tuner card |
| [03:02:48] | appamatto: | Hmm, I had to add my capture card, and it detected it as HVR-1600 |
| [03:02:56] | appamatto: | But this is happening after that |
| [03:03:45] | wagnerrp: | have you set up a video source? |
| [03:04:01] | appamatto: | Probably not |
| [03:04:22] | wagnerrp: | you need to go through each of steps 2, 3, and 4 |
| [03:04:30] | wagnerrp: | add your tuner card |
| [03:04:50] | wagnerrp: | create a video source, and import your channels from a schedules direct account (for analog only) |
| [03:05:00] | wagnerrp: | map one of the inputs on the tuner card to the video source |
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| [03:05:11] | wagnerrp: | and if you havent imported your channels, perform a scan |
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| [03:05:57] | appamatto: | Hmm |
| [03:06:15] | appamatto: | So if I have digital cable then I don't add a schedules direct account? |
| [03:06:32] | wagnerrp: | you still need an SD account for guide data |
| [03:06:39] | wagnerrp: | but you have to scan for channels manually |
| [03:06:45] | wagnerrp: | rather than importing them |
| [03:06:52] | appamatto: | Will SD detect my area and what not? |
| [03:07:16] | wagnerrp: | no, you give it a zip code, and it will list available cable providers in the area |
| [03:07:24] | wagnerrp: | cable/satellite/broadcast/... |
| [03:08:49] | appamatto: | oh sweet, it's detecting channels |
| [03:09:15] | appamatto: | unfortunately it seems that at some points the UI is not showing the focused dialog |
| [03:09:33] | wagnerrp: | with any luck, your channels will show up with names, and can be automagically be matched to your SD lineup |
| [03:09:48] | appamatto: | They showed up with names but the names were gibberish |
| [03:10:07] | wagnerrp: | for ones that arent/dont, you will have to manually define the XMLTV ID in the channel editor before mythtv can pull guide data for them |
| [03:11:16] | appamatto: | Hmm, no channels detected during scan |
| [03:11:34] | wagnerrp: | how did you scan? |
| [03:11:41] | wagnerrp: | what parameters? |
| [03:11:46] | appamatto: | I'm in the "Connect source to input" dialog |
| [03:11:58] | appamatto: | I used my video source, which I probably defined improperly |
| [03:12:12] | wagnerrp: | i mean... you should be scanning for QAM-256 channels, using the us-cable channel list |
| [03:12:17] | appamatto: | TV, Only Free, us-bcast and us-cable |
| [03:12:52] | wagnerrp: | bcast wont do any good, broadcast and cable use different frequency ranges |
| [03:13:16] | appamatto: | Does my video source have anything to do with this? |
| [03:13:45] | wagnerrp: | the 'video source' is just an internal id used to store the channels |
| [03:13:49] | Methuselah: | wagnerrp: I know quite a bit about oled, happened to look back at conversation yestaday and seen your question. |
| [03:13:56] | wagnerrp: | its to allow you to have multiple tuners attached to a single channel list |
| [03:14:18] | wagnerrp: | Methuselah: i dont know much of anything, or have any experience with, OLED |
| [03:14:21] | appamatto: | I should use SD I guess instead of the other option |
| [03:14:28] | wagnerrp: | im not sure why [R] asked me about that last night |
| [03:14:33] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: what other option? |
| [03:14:34] | appamatto: | maybe that would help with the scan? |
| [03:14:45] | appamatto: | I selected transmitted guide only |
| [03:15:04] | wagnerrp: | your cable provider will not transmit guide data over EIT |
| [03:15:09] | wagnerrp: | and it makes no difference for scanning |
| [03:15:31] | Methuselah: | wagnerrp: oh my bad I thought you were asking a question. |
| [03:16:07] | appamatto: | Hmm, so I should be scanning ok even if I messed up previous options? |
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| [03:16:50] | wagnerrp: | if mythtv-setup has even allowed you to scan for channels, it should be set up sufficiently correctly enough to work |
| [03:18:26] | appamatto: | Hmm, then possible tuner is bad? |
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| [03:18:45] | wagnerrp: | im guessing you scanned with incorrect options |
| [03:19:11] | wagnerrp: | you want to use the 'us-cable' channel list, with 'QAM-256' modulation |
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| [03:20:07] | kormoc: | Nuvexport's makefile needs to honor prefixes |
| [03:20:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ^^ |
| [03:20:43] | appamatto: | I don't see any QAM-256 setting |
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| [03:21:36] | wagnerrp: | under 'modulation' it should default to 'Terrestrial (8-VSB)' |
| [03:21:49] | wagnerrp: | you want 'Cable (QAM-256)' |
| [03:22:06] | appamatto: | Pretty sure there is no 'modulation' setting |
| [03:22:22] | wagnerrp: | i have the program up, im looking right at it |
| [03:22:36] | appamatto: | Hmm, I'm in mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [03:22:52] | appamatto: | In the 'Connect source to input' dialog I do 'Scan for channels' |
| [03:23:32] | appamatto: | I only have Video Source, Input, Desired Services, Only Free, Test Decryptability, Scan Type, and Channel frequency table |
| [03:23:47] | ** kormoc doesn't like Steven Adeff right now ** | |
| [03:24:04] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: is the frequency table at the very bottom of the window? |
| [03:24:26] | wagnerrp: | or is there some space before the cancel/back/next buttons |
| [03:24:52] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: ? |
| [03:24:55] | appamatto: | It's in the middle of the window |
| [03:25:12] | appamatto: | Maybe my monitor resolution is misset? |
| [03:25:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, getting pissy at the % time spent recording stat |
| [03:26:19] | appamatto: | wagnerrp, a lot of strange stuff has been happening, like tabbing through ui elements that don't appear on the screen |
| [03:26:28] | appamatto: | I'm using a standard monitor, not a TV to do this |
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| [03:27:30] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: i currently see this... http://imagebin.org/134946 |
| [03:27:51] | appamatto: | Oh nice |
| [03:27:53] | appamatto: | That would help |
| [03:28:05] | appamatto: | I basically have a huge space before and after Frequency Table |
| [03:28:13] | appamatto: | so that both Mod and range don't show up |
| [03:28:14] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [03:28:40] | iamlindoro: | what do you have scan type set to |
| [03:29:01] | appamatto: | yes, I'm doing a screen setup now |
| [03:29:04] | appamatto: | The resolution was goofy |
| [03:29:42] | Beirdo: | hmmm, better make a ticket for the nuvexport makefile issue |
| [03:30:08] | Beirdo: | I'm likely not gonna remember, my brain has been sucking lately |
| [03:31:22] | appamatto: | crap |
| [03:31:28] | appamatto: | Nevermind, it wasn't a screen thing |
| [03:31:53] | appamatto: | As soon as I focus past Channel frequency table I get to Next and then back to the top |
| [03:32:20] | appamatto: | Mine must be an old version? |
| [03:32:34] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i just did a backtrace, and the last call i see is the destructor for ThreadPool |
| [03:32:54] | wagnerrp: | being terminated by the HttpServer destructor |
| [03:33:24] | appamatto: | err, my bad guys. I haven't even installed the updates after installing mythbuntu yet. |
| [03:33:41] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, ^^ |
| [03:33:54] | wagnerrp: | that shouldnt be something that is broken by the 0.23.1 version shipped with mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [03:33:55] | iamlindoro: | ThreadPool dtor causing all apps to segfault on exit |
| [03:33:59] | iamlindoro: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/255a0 . . . 95d723854cf8 |
| [03:34:37] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: try switching to a different theme |
| [03:34:44] | appamatto: | ok |
| [03:34:51] | appamatto: | Well I've already started the updates |
| [03:34:55] | wagnerrp: | 'mythtv-setup -O Theme=Terra' |
| [03:35:00] | iamlindoro: | Qt screens aren't themed |
| [03:36:12] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: that commit should have fixed the segfault at exit |
| [03:36:28] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, kormoc and I have been seeing the opposite-- suddenly everything does |
| [03:36:29] | Beirdo: | it certainly did here |
| [03:36:40] | Beirdo: | hmm. |
| [03:36:48] | wagnerrp: | actually, im running a fairly old version, might be before the commit |
| [03:36:49] | appamatto: | wagnerrp, I haven't changed the theme though, it would be strange for it to be broken in the default theme, no? |
| [03:37:06] | Beirdo: | Well, I'll need to see backtraces to be able to determine the issue |
| [03:37:10] | iamlindoro: | Qt screens aren't themed |
| [03:38:15] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/gW7vNU0w |
| [03:39:07] | iamlindoro: | 331 is an if in current code |
| [03:39:20] | iamlindoro: | so sounds like yours is from pre-that commit |
| [03:40:02] | Beirdo: | seems that way, yes |
| [03:40:07] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I'd get a BT if MDM wasn't preventing getting even that far... sigh-- so first thing's first |
| [03:40:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:40:20] | Beirdo: | OK, well, when ya get one :) |
| [03:40:21] | iamlindoro: | need to get the downloadmanager to give up and die, then see if the segfault is still occurring, then get BT |
| [03:42:15] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, yours seems to be pre that commit, which is what prompted me to fix it... I was getting that same crash |
| [03:42:22] | appamatto: | That would be nice if they had fully-updated snapshots for *buntu in December or February |
| [03:42:51] | appamatto: | so that when you installed you didn't have to do so many updates |
| [03:47:36] | appamatto: | no dice, gentlemen |
| [03:48:50] | appamatto: | Yikes, I selected fetch channels from listing source |
| [03:48:59] | appamatto: | Do I need to do scanning for this to work? |
| [03:49:15] | wagnerrp: | yes, you cannot pull digital channels from the listing source |
| [03:49:20] | appamatto: | hmm |
| [03:49:25] | wagnerrp: | what tuner card do you have? |
| [03:49:29] | appamatto: | HVR-1600 |
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| [03:49:40] | wagnerrp: | did you define it as an mpeg encoder, or dvb tuner? |
| [03:49:52] | appamatto: | not sure |
| [03:50:13] | appamatto: | Analog V4L capture card |
| [03:50:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its not one of those |
| [03:50:50] | appamatto: | Hmmm |
| [03:50:58] | wagnerrp: | that card is two tuners in one |
| [03:51:12] | wagnerrp: | an analog tuner with mpeg encoder (which you can pull from your listings source) |
| [03:51:18] | wagnerrp: | and a dvb tuner (which must be scanned) |
| [03:51:32] | appamatto: | ok |
| [03:51:39] | wagnerrp: | create one of each, and create a separate video source for each |
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| [03:52:02] | devinheitmueller: | That device should work as an analog v4l capture card as well, but you won't get the benefits of the MPEG encoder unless you use "IVTV device" |
| [03:52:23] | appamatto: | So I should have one source with IVTV device and one with dvb? |
| [03:52:27] | wagnerrp: | true, but chances are mythtv autodetected the /dev/video0 device, which will /not/ work as a v4l capture card |
| [03:52:51] | devinheitmueller: | Correct. |
| [03:53:05] | devinheitmueller: | (although I've got some changes to make it work, they aren't upstream) |
| [03:53:29] | devinheitmueller: | Anyway, didn't mean to distract from the issue at hand. |
| [03:53:37] | appamatto: | Hmm |
| [03:53:49] | appamatto: | Any fancy settings matter in the DVB pane? |
| [03:54:00] | wagnerrp: | defaults should work fine for now |
| [03:54:03] | appamatto: | btw, this is pretty hard to setup, although I do realize it could be much harder |
| [03:54:27] | devinheitmueller: | appamatto: the important one is making sure you have specified ATSC or ClearQAM depending on which you are using. |
| [03:54:30] | wagnerrp: | thats something we hope to improve for 0.25 |
| [03:54:49] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: that only comes in when you actually go to scan for channels, not in the card definition |
| [03:54:50] | devinheitmueller: | Also, make sure you have the cable running into the "ATSC" input on the card and not the "TV" input. |
| [03:54:59] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: correct. |
| [03:55:05] | appamatto: | oh |
| [03:55:11] | appamatto: | I thought that was an output (the TV one) |
| [03:55:21] | devinheitmueller: | The HVR-1600 has two RF connectors. One is for analog and the other is for digital. |
| [03:55:22] | wagnerrp: | right, youll need to get a splitter and plug both inputs into your cable line |
| [03:55:34] | wagnerrp: | do the MCE ones have a third for radio? |
| [03:55:35] | devinheitmueller: | They are both inputs. |
| [03:55:47] | appamatto: | So for my video sources, should I specify schedules direct for both? |
| [03:55:48] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I think there are some models with FM as well. |
| [03:55:54] | appamatto: | (now that I have my account) |
| [03:56:50] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: yes, one account is allowed up to four lineups |
| [03:57:04] | wagnerrp: | create separate lineups for analog and digital cable |
| [03:57:13] | wagnerrp: | and separate video sources, one to each lineup |
| [03:57:28] | wagnerrp: | the analog cable, you can pull directly from schedules direct |
| [03:57:34] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: actually, now that I look again, I don't think there is an MCE SKU for the 1600 that includes a dedicated FM input. |
| [03:57:40] | appamatto: | I wonder if I'm actually getting analog cable |
| [03:58:08] | devinheitmueller: | appamatto: The ATSC input is the "shorter" RF connector on the card. Second from the top. |
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| [03:58:38] | devinheitmueller: | There is a pretty good picture here: http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html |
| [03:58:39] | appamatto: | Cool, yeah I'm pretty sure I put it in there |
| [03:58:44] | appamatto: | I guess that'll be the one I'll use |
| [03:59:02] | devinheitmueller: | (click on the "overview" tab for the pictures of the connectors") |
| [03:59:23] | appamatto: | I'm already splitting between cable modem and tv, do you think a second splitter will cause much signal degradation? |
| [03:59:46] | wagnerrp: | most cable installations support up to 4 devices before you start having to worry about signal attenuation |
| [03:59:48] | devinheitmueller: | If you're not getting digital channel lock, I would definitely try removing all the splitters as a test. |
| [04:00:28] | devinheitmueller: | appamatto: what Linux distro and version are you running? |
| [04:00:35] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [04:00:38] | devinheitmueller: | Ok. |
| [04:00:59] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, so he's got the ClearQAM tuning fixes then. Cool. |
| [04:01:21] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: silicondust maintains a database of what channels you should expect to get over clear QAM... |
| [04:01:33] | devinheitmueller: | He may wish to run a scan from the command line. That will narrow down whether he's got a tuning problem in general or whether it's something with MythTV. |
| [04:01:40] | wagnerrp: | just type in your zip code... http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ |
| [04:01:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, why are people so opposed to a once/day run of mythlink.pl without args |
| [04:02:14] | wagnerrp: | cron is the DEVIL... Devil... devil.... devil... |
| [04:02:29] | devinheitmueller: | appamatto: if you want to see if tuning is working in general, you can stop the mythtv backend and run the following from the command line: scan /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 |
| [04:02:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's why they made fcron! |
| [04:04:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was actually talking about something that would operate ignorant of mythtv, just removing links that no longer had a valid target |
| [04:04:38] | sphery: | yeah, I know, but why when running without args has the same effect |
| [04:04:44] | appamatto: | Sweet, I think it's scanning |
| [04:04:50] | appamatto: | since it found some encrypted channels |
| [04:04:52] | sphery: | i.e. solving an already-solved problem |
| [04:04:58] | wagnerrp: | same effect, but it takes whole seconds to run |
| [04:05:09] | devinheitmueller: | appamatto: bear in mind it is normal to see "timeout" error messages. That just means it didn't find anything on the target frequency. |
| [04:05:16] | iamlindoro: | what is it about users that makes them think that the dev list is "meet the devs?" |
| [04:05:33] | iamlindoro: | I don't care how much you want your audience to be the devs-- if you're not doing the development, don't post to the list |
| [04:05:50] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I thought the dev list didn't allow subscriptions without invitation? |
| [04:05:56] | iamlindoro: | Wouldn't that be nice |
| [04:06:23] | devinheitmueller: | Oh wait, I'm getting my lists/projects confused. Never mind. |
| [04:06:37] | wagnerrp: | nah, thats the /real/ dev list |
| [04:06:48] | iamlindoro: | heh, that's true too |
| [04:06:53] | devinheitmueller: | Ah. |
| [04:07:02] | sphery: | yes, and 6/86400 is an unacceptable ratio of mythbackend lacking some number of mythlink.pl links to having all of them! |
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| [04:07:03] | appamatto: | What's happening when it says "Timed out, 27 possible channels" ? |
| [04:07:03] | devinheitmueller: | Well, one of these days I will be worthy. ;-) |
| [04:07:23] | devinheitmueller: | appamatto: if you're getting "possible channels", that's a generally good sign. |
| [04:07:35] | wagnerrp: | start making patches, instead of just fiddling around with those drivers |
| [04:07:43] | iamlindoro: | The frequency in question had 27 pids but in all the time spent scanning it, no information was retrieved that indicates any of them is an actual viewable channel |
| [04:07:43] | wagnerrp: | who really needs tuner cards when we have the internet, right? |
| [04:07:53] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: heh. |
| [04:08:36] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Like I said, I realize I'm not worthy with my one meager patch. |
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| [04:09:13] | iamlindoro: | The private list is just committers, and doubt you want to spend enough time on myth to become one :) |
| [04:09:22] | sphery: | well, if the problem is with mythtv code not operating the way someone thinks it should, that sounds like a developer thing |
| [04:09:25] | iamlindoro: | though you easily could |
| [04:09:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, heh |
| [04:09:37] | sphery: | quick, someone redirect all mythtv-users traffic to mythtv-dev |
| [04:09:42] | appamatto: | Good thing you guys are here |
| [04:09:49] | appamatto: | This would've been very difficult |
| [04:10:01] | iamlindoro: | seriously, "No Robert, given this is to do with the underlying code and logic I deliberately put it on the dev list." |
| [04:10:02] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: yeah, being a committer usually amounts to producing enough viable patches that we dont want to have to commit them for you anymore |
| [04:10:19] | iamlindoro: | translation: "You guys know the right answers, so who cares whether it's appropriate, answer my question, monkey" |
| [04:10:22] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Yup, been there myself with my share of projects. |
| [04:10:39] | wagnerrp: | or in my case, producing a large enough bulk of code in a ticket, that no one else wants to maintain it |
| [04:10:46] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:11:14] | sphery: | and they reward you by making you have to deal with other people's patches and (worse) bug reports and (worst) bug reports lacking enough information for you to do anything with them |
| [04:11:19] | sphery: | :) |
| [04:11:56] | wagnerrp: | 'heres commit access, you deal with it' |
| [04:12:11] | sphery: | and this one really caught me off guard--once I got commit privs, people actually got the impression that I would actually get around to writing the code I kept promising |
| [04:12:23] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Yup, been there plenty of times myself. The irritating ones are where somebody submits a patch that "works for them" but it will obviously break a bunch of other stuff. It's not really their fault, but you have to point out that the patch cannot be accepted as-is. |
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| [04:13:22] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: yeah, and usually the details of why it breaks for others are complex enough and the focus of the reporter so narrow that it's nearly impossible to convince them that it can't be done that way |
| [04:13:30] | devinheitmueller: | Yup. |
| [04:13:43] | sphery: | anyway, I have a feeling you get to deal with a lot of even crazier reports than I do |
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| [04:14:08] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I have a separate problem: In some cases I cannot explain due to NDA issues why something cannot be a certain way. |
| [04:14:08] | sphery: | considering we have a relatively small and well-informed group of users, versus "anyone with Linux and certain hardware" |
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| [04:14:23] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that's something that would be even worse |
| [04:14:47] | sphery: | I've seen a couple of times on the lists where people were asking you things that it was obvious you just couldn't answer |
| [04:15:02] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: It's hard to say to somebody, "Trust me, that weird code path *really* needs to be done this way". |
| [04:15:13] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [04:16:01] | devinheitmueller: | On the flipside, I've been on the other side of that conversation, so I know how annoying it can be for some developer to tell me that. How do I know whether you *really* know what the hell you are talking about and that I should trust you? |
| [04:16:22] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah. |
| [04:16:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:16:58] | Beirdo: | it's all a lose-lose... but we survive, basically |
| [04:17:13] | sphery: | I'm just glad I don't have to deal with NDAs |
| [04:17:24] | devinheitmueller: | In fact I've had what could really be the worst case scenario: being told to "trust me, it has to be this way", then going to work for the company, seeing the specs/datasheets myself and finding out that the person who told me that was just wrong. |
| [04:17:25] | sphery: | been lucky enough to be able to actively avoid NDAs |
| [04:17:43] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Yeah, they can be both a blessing and a curse. |
| [04:17:43] | sphery: | heh, wow |
| [04:17:58] | sphery: | so did you get it cleaned up after getting the job or? |
| [04:18:03] | ** wagnerrp was already signing NDAs in collage ** | |
| [04:18:13] | sphery: | maybe it was just not worth it at that point |
| [04:18:16] | devinheitmueller: | In the couple of cases where it happened, it wasn't malice or anything. Just misplaced trust. |
| [04:18:24] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: it's a work in progress. |
| [04:18:29] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [04:18:48] | appamatto: | wow, it found 170 "mpeg channels" |
| [04:18:58] | sphery: | and, yeah, I would be very surprised to see malice as a root reason for any of that |
| [04:19:02] | appamatto: | Should these be manually checked? |
| [04:19:10] | sphery: | in general, developers want good code--even if they have to eat some crow to get there |
| [04:19:11] | devinheitmueller: | appamatto: bear in mind, that includes encrypted channels as well as radio. |
| [04:19:19] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: correct. |
| [04:19:25] | iamlindoro: | doesn't include encrytped unless he told it to |
| [04:19:37] | iamlindoro: | by default, unencrypted only |
| [04:19:38] | Beirdo: | properly cooked crow is likely quite tasty :) |
| [04:19:40] | appamatto: | Yeah, I did Onl Free |
| [04:19:40] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: the command-line "scan" tool does. |
| [04:19:47] | appamatto: | And I'm in the GUI |
| [04:19:48] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller, but he's not using command line scan |
| [04:19:59] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Oh, did he switch to the real scanner? Cool. |
| [04:20:02] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, now I'm wondering if you're serious... |
| [04:20:05] | devinheitmueller: | nevermind then. |
| [04:20:10] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [04:20:11] | sphery: | island food, maybe? |
| [04:20:19] | Beirdo: | no, I'm being silly |
| [04:20:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:20:28] | Beirdo: | Kentucky-Fried Crow? |
| [04:20:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:20:33] | wagnerrp: | come on sphery, found food is never tasty |
| [04:20:51] | sphery: | I was picturing a couple guys at Pike Place Market throwing crow around as people order it |
| [04:20:56] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [04:22:36] | ** Beirdo wants his pizza! ** | |
| [04:22:46] | sphery: | with extra crow |
| [04:22:51] | Beirdo: | definitely |
| [04:22:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:23:20] | kormoc: | Crow has got to be nasty tasting... too much ill meat in their diet |
| [04:23:46] | Beirdo: | yeah, garbage eaters and scavengers generally aren't too high on the yummy list |
| [04:23:47] | wagnerrp: | its ok, they have a license to it |
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| [04:35:18] | wagnerrp: | ugh... my hard drive dock is dead |
| [04:35:54] | wagnerrp: | ive got a toolless 3.5" mobile drive case i can use instead... but its just not the same |
| [04:36:43] | wagnerrp: | ... and now i need a new usb hub too |
| [04:37:23] | wagnerrp: | anyone ever used a trayless hotswap bay? |
| [04:38:05] | kormoc: | the ones you just slap a drive in? |
| [04:38:12] | kormoc: | vertically? |
| [04:38:21] | wagnerrp: | no, ive got one of those now, dead |
| [04:38:30] | wagnerrp: | im talking about ones that fit in a 5.25" slot |
| [04:38:45] | kormoc: | Ahh, nah, I haven't |
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| [04:39:43] | appamatto: | Hmm, when I do watch tv now it says "Please Wait..." and then goes back to the menu |
| [04:40:07] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: that usually indicates a failure on the backend |
| [04:40:11] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
| [04:40:14] | wagnerrp: | /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [04:41:10] | appamatto: | ah, it's because I didn't setup analog and there is a channel called "please ..." |
| [04:41:42] | wagnerrp: | no, that is the dialog you get when the frontend is waiting for a video stream from the backend |
| [04:41:52] | wagnerrp: | the backend never sends it, so the frontend fails livetv |
| [04:41:56] | appamatto: | hmm |
| [04:42:09] | appamatto: | Well it did say in the logs that there was a problem with that channel |
| [04:42:28] | appamatto: | I'll just delete the analog card for now, since it isn't plugged in |
| [04:43:21] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817998041 |
| [04:44:41] | kormoc: | huh |
| [04:45:24] | wagnerrp: | same concept as the vertical ones, but internal |
| [04:46:43] | appamatto: | wagnerrp, for the analog source, should I just do fetch channels from listings? |
| [04:47:00] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: yes |
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| [04:51:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im not a coder, but your program should be written this way.... |
| [04:51:54] | [qwerty]: | Anyone familiar with a work around for the problem with kernel 2.6.35 and saa7164 usb_buffer_alloc problem? |
| [04:52:16] | devinheitmueller: | [qwerty]: that's not actually related to the saa7164. |
| [04:52:25] | wagnerrp: | i thought the 7164s were pcie |
| [04:52:32] | devinheitmueller: | They renamed a few functions in the kernel, so the saa7164 trees on kernellabs.com stopped working. |
| [04:52:40] | devinheitmueller: | (due to other drivers in the v4l-dvb tree) |
| [04:53:07] | devinheitmueller: | You need to rename all call from "usb_buffer_alloc()" to "usb_alloc_coherent()" |
| [04:53:31] | [qwerty]: | If anyone is talking to me, I can't see anything. New irc client isn't doing something right. |
| [04:53:41] | wagnerrp: | fun... |
| [04:53:43] | devinheitmueller: | uh. |
| [04:54:07] | devinheitmueller: | perhaps he means PMs? |
| [04:54:14] | devinheitmueller: | [qwerty]: can you read this? |
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| [04:55:21] | wagnerrp: | so thats a no? |
| [04:55:38] | qwerty_: | If you asked me a question :) |
| [04:55:51] | qwerty_: | Could you paste back what I missed please? |
| [04:55:52] | devinheitmueller: | qwerty_: I'm not retyping all that crap. Read the mythtv-users logs. |
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| [04:56:14] | qwerty_: | devinheitmueller: ok. |
| [04:56:35] | devinheitmueller: | qwerty_: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2011-01-29 |
| [04:56:48] | qwerty_: | Thanks. |
| [04:57:14] | appamatto: | wooot! Live TV working. Thanks guys! |
| [04:57:26] | devinheitmueller: | another satisfied customer. :-) |
| [04:57:30] | qwerty_: | devinheitmueller: thanks for the answer. |
| [04:57:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [04:58:06] | devinheitmueller: | Gratuitous renaming of functions. Dumb kernel developers. |
| [04:58:43] | kormoc: | Why didn't they wrapper it with a depreciated warning? |
| [04:58:57] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: because they don't care about out-of-tree compatibility. |
| [04:59:07] | kormoc: | silly |
| [04:59:23] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: somebody did a global search/replace against the git tip, and they were perfectly happy. |
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| [05:12:09] | qwerty_: | Why is it when I paste ":s/usb_buffer_alloc/usb_alloc_coherent" in vi it says usb_buffer_alloc not found, but I search for it, and paste the same thing again it works? |
| [05:13:13] | devinheitmueller: | Because vi is the root of evil? |
| [05:13:25] | Beirdo: | well, the middle two letters at least |
| [05:14:27] | Beirdo: | because :s only runs on the current line, IIRC |
| [05:14:33] | wagnerrp: | perhaps... the center of all evil? |
| [05:14:56] | Beirdo: | :g/usb_buffer_alloc/s//usb_alloc_coherent/g |
| [05:15:04] | Beirdo: | IIRC |
| [05:16:38] | kormoc: | :%s/usb_buffer_alloc/usb_alloc_coherent/g |
| [05:16:52] | qwerty_: | Done manually, compiling. |
| [05:17:15] | qwerty_: | Still breaking. |
| [05:17:48] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, it will probably fail on the corresponding free routine as well. Pastebin the output. |
| [05:20:43] | qwerty_: | http://pastebin.com/zgXcnQEh |
| [05:21:30] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, you need to search/replace the frees as well. |
| [05:21:43] | devinheitmueller: | Should be usb_free_coherent() |
| [05:22:08] | qwerty_: | What I am searching for? |
| [05:22:15] | devinheitmueller: | usb_buffer_free |
| [05:22:35] | qwerty_: | Thanks. |
| [05:22:37] | Beirdo: | holy crapola.. another schema upgrade :) |
| [05:22:44] | Beirdo: | this is getting to be a habit |
| [05:23:19] | qwerty_: | And :g for global search and replace? |
| [05:23:29] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:23:47] | Beirdo: | and the /g on the end says to match multiple times on each line |
| [05:23:53] | qwerty_: | Thats weird. I seem to remember using the hell out of :s. |
| [05:24:23] | wagnerrp: | i thought there was a % that went in there somewhere |
| [05:24:42] | qwerty_: | Hmm, maybe it was %s. I'll try that. |
| [05:25:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, kormoc put that one up... it will likely work. vi is so unix that there's multiple right ways to do anything |
| [05:27:15] | kormoc: | %s is search, /g on the end matches more then the first one found |
| [05:27:24] | qwerty_: | %s worked. |
| [05:27:45] | kormoc: | Beirdo, at least it's not emacs! |
| [05:27:46] | ** kormoc ducks ** | |
| [05:27:53] | Beirdo: | hehee |
| [05:27:58] | Beirdo: | good point :) |
| [05:30:36] | qwerty_: | Broke http://pastebin.com/EUz6bQCx |
| [05:31:18] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I've seen that before but forgot what was needed to work around it. Dump the error into Google and it should give you the answer. |
| [05:32:33] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i hate looking at people's fstabs with uuid mounts |
| [05:32:38] | wagnerrp: | just so ugly... |
| [05:32:57] | kormoc: | LABEL='' ;) |
| [05:33:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont know whats wrong with you linux people, we dont need any of that crap on freebsd |
| [05:33:32] | kormoc: | LABEL='host-role' |
| [05:34:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, meh, it's nice when you have lots of filesystems attached via remote storage |
| [05:34:36] | wagnerrp: | you mean iscsi/ataoe stuff? |
| [05:35:05] | kormoc: | well, my usb drives attached to my mini get exposed in different orders at boot |
| [05:35:16] | kormoc: | so /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd swap nodes at times |
| [05:35:38] | kormoc: | could fix via udev or I can just say, whichever filesystem has label jessica-tv mount to /mnt/tv and call it good |
| [05:35:42] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah, dont know how usb stuff would get handled by bsd |
| [05:36:07] | wagnerrp: | but at least proper buses remain static always |
| [05:36:17] | wagnerrp: | and dont get reordered by drives being added and removed |
| [05:36:21] | kormoc: | until a drive fails and they renumber? |
| [05:36:38] | kormoc: | ooh? How do they pull that magic off? |
| [05:36:39] | wagnerrp: | ad8 is always ad8, even if there is no ad1–7 |
| [05:37:03] | wagnerrp: | meaning, the secondary drive on the 4th ATA controller |
| [05:37:05] | kormoc: | hrm. I wonder how that works with hardware raid cards |
| [05:37:10] | wagnerrp: | or 8th sata drive |
| [05:37:22] | kormoc: | unless they reserve all 255 possible units |
| [05:37:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, they use the LUN |
| [05:37:47] | kormoc: | ahh, huh |
| [05:38:34] | wagnerrp: | my big array is LUN 1, with passthrough disks on LUN 0 and LUN 2 |
| [05:38:53] | wagnerrp: | if i remove the passthrough disks, my array is still found through da1 |
| [05:39:22] | wagnerrp: | of course ZFS internally does the UUID-style mounts anyway |
| [05:39:31] | wagnerrp: | at least i dont have to see it in my fstab... :) |
| [05:39:36] | kormoc: | I just wonder if 3ware controllers will do that correctly or not |
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| [05:44:18] | qwerty_: | Made progress here http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1445 but broke again, google was no help. http://pastebin.com/PRydhadz |
| [05:45:11] | devinheitmueller: | Oh how my own posts come back to haunt me. :-) |
| [05:46:05] | qwerty_: | I didn't notice that. :) |
| [05:46:44] | devinheitmueller: | You can probably just compare the dvb_net.c that came with 2.6.35. I doubt it's changed much. |
| [05:47:21] | qwerty_: | I followed the instructions from Craig at October 20, 2010, 8:11 am. |
| [05:48:42] | devinheitmueller: | I'm sure it can be done. It's just a merge. I just haven't dug into the problem lately. |
| [05:49:43] | qwerty_: | I'm going to use an older kernel until it gets backported. Thanks for the help. |
| [05:49:49] | devinheitmueller: | np |
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| [05:55:20] | chelz: | if i have two tuner cards, one that ignores the broadcast flag and one that doesn't, would mythtv know to switch to the one that ignores the flag to record programs that need it? |
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| [05:55:42] | devinheitmueller: | chelz: there is no such thing as a broadcast flag. |
| [05:55:43] | [R]: | myth knows nothing of the broadcast flag |
| [05:55:44] | kormoc: | 1. There is no broadcast flag |
| [05:55:48] | qwerty_: | How would the broadcast flag affect myth? |
| [05:55:58] | kormoc: | 2. It all depends on how you setup your sources |
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| [05:56:36] | kormoc: | qwerty_, wikipedia page on it has all the answers on what it was attempting to do |
| [05:56:48] | qwerty_: | apt-get install broadcastflag-lib :P~ |
| [05:56:55] | chelz: | i thought that if something was marked "unrecordable" in the cable tv stream then cards can't record it. is there nothing like that in the us at least? |
| [05:57:18] | wagnerrp: | cable is not broadcast |
| [05:57:27] | kormoc: | chelz, broadcast flag != digital cable flags |
| [05:57:31] | chelz: | oh |
| [05:57:39] | wagnerrp: | there is no broadcast flag, so there is nothing for a tuner card to ignore |
| [05:57:47] | kormoc: | chelz, currently there are no digital tuners that support cable card and has linux drivers |
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| [05:58:07] | qwerty_: | chelz: the card just passes the stream, it's the dvr that records or doesn't. They would have to put that limit into mythtv and that's never going to happen. |
| [05:58:17] | kormoc: | chelz, the ones that are on their way will only support copy-freely streams and there is no getting around that |
| [05:58:26] | kormoc: | qwerty_, that's not entirely true |
| [05:58:35] | qwerty_: | It's not? |
| [05:59:00] | wagnerrp: | qwerty_: any compliant device will refuse to feed the data to the system were the flag set |
| [05:59:07] | kormoc: | He's talking digital cable + cable card, the hardware won't allow a non-copy-freely stream to exit to a untrusted driver |
| [05:59:26] | qwerty_: | wagnerrp: wouldn't that stop you from being able to watch it altogether? |
| [05:59:43] | wagnerrp: | on an untrusted device, yes |
| [05:59:44] | kormoc: | qwerty_, on a untrusted device, yes |
| [05:59:50] | wagnerrp: | jinx |
| [05:59:52] | chelz: | oh, so just make a driver that looks really trustworthy but works with myth, right? |
| [06:00:00] | kormoc: | chelz, no |
| [06:00:04] | chelz: | oh ;/ |
| [06:00:05] | kormoc: | chelz, it's not that simple |
| [06:00:24] | wagnerrp: | you /could/ make a driver that looks trustworthy |
| [06:00:34] | kormoc: | non-trivially |
| [06:00:35] | chelz: | well like sounds like hdcp but that was handled pretty well |
| [06:00:35] | [R]: | do you dress it up? |
| [06:00:36] | wagnerrp: | doing so would require creating a valid authentication key |
| [06:00:41] | [R]: | and give it maybe a tophat? |
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| [06:00:56] | kormoc: | [R], monocle |
| [06:00:59] | wagnerrp: | chelz: and it only took several years to do so, and likely an insider who ended up releasing it |
| [06:00:59] | [R]: | chelz: hdcp has nothing to do with digital cable |
| [06:01:04] | [R]: | kormoc: ah yes... and a cane |
| [06:01:53] | wagnerrp: | chelz: that key was too large to reasonably be discovered, it had to have been leaked |
| [06:01:57] | kormoc: | chelz, eventually everything gets broken/released/etc, but it's unlikely to happen anytime soon and as soon as it does they'll release updated card that updates the keys and you're searching for another key for years |
| [06:02:27] | kormoc: | chelz, it's the same tech that keeps credit card numbers secure online. Leaks are *way* more likely then breaks |
| [06:03:04] | chelz: | so would things like that not even be recordable by analog tivos today? |
| [06:03:20] | wagnerrp: | there is nothing that cannot be recorded over analog |
| [06:03:38] | chelz: | hmm so those digital to analog boxes just let everything through right? |
| [06:03:41] | kormoc: | chelz, which is why the HDPVR is a great card |
| [06:04:02] | wagnerrp: | the box has to output to a tv, and something else can intercept that |
| [06:04:02] | kormoc: | chelz, assuming it's fed to the device, yes (see attempts at closing the analog 'hole') |
| [06:04:15] | wagnerrp: | there is no way to encrypt analog |
| [06:04:24] | kormoc: | analogoatse.cx |
| [06:04:26] | chelz: | yeah, that's good hm |
| [06:04:31] | [R]: | chelz: the digital to analog boxes are for over the air atsc |
| [06:04:31] | chelz: | i'm on comcast cable here in the US. i'm looking to have 3–4 tuners that ideally could record from an antenna and (i think) digital cable. i don't know if it's all digital, but we have these digital to analog converter boxes we had to activate. what should i make sure the cards i look at have? atsc/clearqam/ntsc ? |
| [06:04:35] | wagnerrp: | nor is there any way to prevent a device from recording it, that wouldnt otherwise prevent the tv from handling it |
| [06:04:55] | wagnerrp: | chelz: the DTA boxes will output NTSC |
| [06:04:59] | kormoc: | chelz, for antenna, HDHR is great, for the cable, HDPVR + cable box per 'tuner' you want |
| [06:05:13] | kormoc: | ooh? They're HD? |
| [06:05:18] | [R]: | capturing over video output would make me want to cry |
| [06:05:19] | kormoc: | ooh, ntsc... sd |
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| [06:05:25] | [R]: | sd analog video* |
| [06:05:26] | wagnerrp: | DTA boxes are modulated NTSC |
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| [06:05:34] | wagnerrp: | no video outputw |
| [06:05:46] | [R]: | that's even worse! |
| [06:05:50] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [06:06:04] | [R]: | reminds me of my rf modulator for the nintendo |
| [06:06:12] | wagnerrp: | actually, ive got one right here |
| [06:06:23] | [R]: | the comcast thing or the nintendo thing? |
| [06:06:23] | kormoc: | chelz, but yeah, if you want two cable channels at once, grab two cable boxes from comcast and two hdpvrs and call it good. |
| [06:06:24] | chelz: | kormoc: HDPVR is like a full on device. i'm planning on having everything be in a micro atx case with 2–3 tuner cards and stuff |
| [06:06:47] | chelz: | or i may not be seeing the right hdpvr product |
| [06:06:54] | kormoc: | chelz, it's the only way you'll get all your channels in HD |
| [06:06:59] | kormoc: | chelz, and it's USB |
| [06:07:20] | kormoc: | chelz, and why would you do anything but the hdhr for OTA? |
| [06:07:25] | chelz: | oh i'm fine without hd for now. all our TVs are SD |
| [06:07:32] | chelz: | cost reasons |
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| [06:07:53] | kormoc: | chelz, HDHR is a dual tuner network OTA digital receiver for $80 with multirec |
| [06:08:00] | kormoc: | you're not gonna find cheaper cards |
| [06:08:15] | wagnerrp: | you can find USB ones a bit cheaper |
| [06:08:22] | [R]: | how much bandwidth is in a full atsc channel? |
| [06:08:26] | wagnerrp: | and theyre not always available for $80 |
| [06:08:28] | chelz: | ohh hd home run |
| [06:08:32] | wagnerrp: | 19.4Mbps |
| [06:08:38] | chelz: | thought you meant http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116030 |
| [06:08:42] | wagnerrp: | roughly double for a QAM256 |
| [06:08:55] | kormoc: | chelz, for your cable boxes, yes |
| [06:09:05] | kormoc: | chelz, for OTA, you'd want the HDHR |
| [06:09:05] | chelz: | so it's better to keep DTA boxes and connect them to a tuner card? instead of digital tuner cards? |
| [06:09:11] | [R]: | do they list 100mbps as a req for the hdhr? |
| [06:09:18] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [06:09:40] | kormoc: | chelz, you said you wanted OTA and cable capturing, correct? |
| [06:10:08] | chelz: | kormoc: yes. like the most compatible antenna stuff and somehow our comcast stuff |
| [06:10:36] | chelz: | right now we have a single series2 tivo dvr. aging quite a bit. works okay with the boxes, but i've heard great things about mythtv |
| [06:11:31] | wagnerrp: | anyone know where i might be able to buy some of those nice 'warranty void if broken' stickers? |
| [06:11:47] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:11:57] | kormoc: | chelz, the pvr150 (or whatever the newest model is) is likely what you're after |
| [06:12:03] | [R]: | we have stickers at my work, that leave a colored mark if you peel them |
| [06:12:56] | chelz: | kormoc: would using cards be all that different from the hdhr? |
| [06:13:59] | kormoc: | chelz, you would only want to use a HDHR for the OTA stuff |
| [06:14:12] | wagnerrp: | because you have to fit them in your computer |
| [06:14:22] | kormoc: | wait, am I wrong here? |
| [06:14:37] | kormoc: | does the DTwhatnot box mean the signal is unencrypted? |
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| [06:14:52] | kormoc: | chelz, forgive my lapses in knowledge, I'm fairly drunk |
| [06:14:55] | wagnerrp: | a HDHR can be put anywhere, tuners have to all be stuffed inside your micro-atx box |
| [06:15:12] | wagnerrp: | the DTAs output analog modulated NTSC video |
| [06:15:34] | kormoc: | the DTA won't decrypt, right? |
| [06:16:07] | wagnerrp: | yes, it does |
| [06:16:16] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [06:16:32] | chelz: | we have to activate it, so they have some kind of thing going on to make sure we're legit customers |
| [06:16:35] | kormoc: | so hdhr won't work on their output or input, right? |
| [06:16:38] | [R]: | decrypts to eye teery sd |
| [06:17:00] | [R]: | kormoc: its ntsc output |
| [06:17:12] | kormoc: | HDHR is digital only, no? |
| [06:17:20] | [R]: | qam and atsc, yes |
| [06:18:07] | chelz: | oh |
| [06:18:16] | kormoc: | right, so the HDHR won't work with his boxes nor will they work in place of his box |
| [06:18:40] | wagnerrp: | they will only be able to access the clear QAM stuff |
| [06:18:44] | wagnerrp: | the boxes can access more |
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| [06:19:13] | wagnerrp: | think this broadcom chip is functional as a modulator? |
| [06:19:41] | chelz: | how does one determine if their cable signal thing is clearqam or encryptedqam? |
| [06:20:05] | wagnerrp: | http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ |
| [06:20:07] | kormoc: | chelz, assume everything but local channels are encrypted |
| [06:20:12] | kormoc: | or check that |
| [06:20:26] | chelz: | aha nice |
| [06:20:26] | dougt_: | i updated recently, and I noticed that fast forward is slower... and on screen there is text that says "Searching....". is this because the seekdata is missing form the files? |
| [06:21:03] | chelz: | uhm kind of a sidenode but pretty important for my purposes, is closed captioning supported always? or do some cards not support it? |
| [06:21:25] | devinheitmueller: | chelz: for digital, it is there regardless of the card. For analog, it varies by card. |
| [06:21:46] | chelz: | good to know |
| [06:21:59] | wagnerrp: | ive got these two four-point solder demarks near the rf output... wonder if those maybe svideo ports |
| [06:22:08] | devinheitmueller: | All cards sold in the United States *can* do CC. It's mostly a question of the state of the driver. |
| [06:22:40] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: imagebin a picture and I can probably tell you. |
| [06:22:52] | wagnerrp: | hang on |
| [06:23:30] | kormoc: | I'd imagine your DTA box might strip them? |
| [06:23:49] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: probably depopulated to reduce cost, yes. |
| [06:23:52] | chelz: | kormoc: well right now with normal tv and tivo we seem to get CCs fine |
| [06:24:22] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: oh, you mean CC data? No, they are legally required to preserve EIA-608 CC. |
| [06:24:29] | chelz: | i think i found a list of cards with drivers that support CC on some video-linux site.. i'll just find that again |
| [06:24:41] | chelz: | so to replace a DTA box, if i ever wanted to, one would need like a cablecard thing right (which don't work on linux)? |
| [06:24:50] | devinheitmueller: | chelz: what card are you thinking of? I can probably tell you whether it has CC support for analog. |
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| [06:26:06] | chelz: | devinheitmueller: i haven't really decided on any cards yet. i'm still figuring out what i need to make sure they support |
| [06:26:20] | chelz: | ideally i'd like four tuners, so i'm thinking two dual tuner cards |
| [06:26:42] | devinheitmueller: | Hmmm, that does make me wonder whether Steven finished the CC support for the HVR-2250... |
| [06:26:57] | devinheitmueller: | probably. |
| [06:27:32] | chelz: | devinheitmueller: would the HVR-2250 support analog recording? |
| [06:27:37] | devinheitmueller: | chelz: yes. |
| [06:27:59] | devinheitmueller: | It has two tuners, which can do digital or analog (and the analog has an MPEG encoder) |
| [06:28:09] | Beirdo: | there is a vbi device, but it doesn't work in the same way as the vbi support in ivtv |
| [06:28:14] | chelz: | ah |
| [06:28:32] | Beirdo: | past that, I don't recall much for that part. heh |
| [06:28:40] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: Well, the ivtv VBI device is a poor reference. |
| [06:29:10] | devinheitmueller: | If I recall, the IVTV does some really non-standard stuff with it's VBI delivery. |
| [06:29:11] | Beirdo: | true. I think that's what mythtv code supports for a standalone vbi device though |
| [06:29:15] | dougt_: | Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired |
| [06:29:19] | dougt_: | :( |
| [06:29:19] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: Ouch, really? |
| [06:29:23] | Beirdo: | but nothing that can't get overhauled |
| [06:29:35] | devinheitmueller: | I cannot say I'm surprised given the popularity of the card. |
| [06:29:38] | Beirdo: | I know it supports vbi with dvb (IIRC) |
| [06:30:10] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: what? With ATSC, the CC data is already in the MPEG stream and just passed through. |
| [06:30:15] | devinheitmueller: | (all ATSC adapters work that way) |
| [06:30:15] | Beirdo: | but on analog mpeg... ivtv is the main one supported in the code. not sure how much we'd have to tweak to support hte others |
| [06:30:35] | chelz: | ok according to http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ i need 8vsb and qam256. is clearqam the same as qam256? and what is atsc? |
| [06:30:47] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's what I meant (I'm a BIT on the drunkish side, sorry fro the confusion) |
| [06:30:49] | [R]: | chelz: 8vsb is over the air |
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| [06:31:09] | chelz: | oh so 8vsb and ota mean the same thing. good to know |
| [06:31:12] | [R]: | chelz: the qam channels they are the ones you can pick up taht are unecnrypted |
| [06:31:55] | dougt_: | mysqlcheck --auto-repair -A -u mythtv -p FTW |
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| [06:32:49] | chelz: | i think they're all unencrypted |
| [06:33:09] | chelz: | wagnerrp, [R], kormoc: do these look unencrypted? http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_4297605 |
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| [06:33:28] | [R]: | [11:31:12] [R] chelz: the qam channels they are the ones you can pick up taht are unecnrypted |
| [06:33:30] | [R]: | s/they/there/ |
| [06:33:55] | chelz: | what are encrypted channels called? |
| [06:34:15] | [R]: | encrypted channels |
| [06:34:17] | chelz: | since i though they were qam too |
| [06:34:56] | Beirdo: | hmmm, wonder if there's any CC on this A Team off RTV (OTA) |
| [06:35:19] | wagnerrp: | that was surprisingly hard to find a cable to access this camera |
| [06:36:01] | Beirdo: | doesn't seem to be |
| [06:36:03] | Beirdo: | crud |
| [06:36:19] | [R]: | Beirdo: does your rtv have snappy commericals? we have one here "RTV... seven point 2... cox ninety three" and they repeat it like 3 times |
| [06:36:56] | Beirdo: | mostly commercials for rascals and other geezer-oriented stuff |
| [06:37:09] | chelz: | hm so the only way for a tuner to take encrypted channels straight is is with a cablecard right? |
| [06:37:10] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: still around? |
| [06:37:21] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, haven't been looking at IRC for a while though. |
| [06:37:53] | wagnerrp: | should probably make sure my IP is still good before sending you a link.. |
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| [06:38:08] | wagnerrp: | and no it isnt... |
| [06:38:08] | Beirdo: | ahhh, but CW has CC on the Nikita episode I got |
| [06:38:46] | Beirdo: | wish the HDPVR did CC as well, but meh, I don't really need it |
| [06:39:08] | [R]: | i've neve been able to undersatnd hwo it would do cc |
| [06:39:10] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: HD component video inherently doesn't support VBI. |
| [06:39:10] | wagnerrp: | c'mon godaddy... is it so hard to put DNS controls on the front page |
| [06:39:21] | chelz: | Beirdo: what card(s) do you use that got CC? |
| [06:39:27] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: heh, I hadn't thought of that wrinkle :) |
| [06:39:49] | Beirdo: | chelz: OTA from my HDHomerun, and OTA from the HVR-2250, I think |
| [06:40:08] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/DSCN0158.JPG |
| [06:40:12] | wagnerrp: | its a big'un |
| [06:40:14] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: In theory, it can be supported at 480i/p, but support by both transmitters and receivers is spotty. |
| [06:40:30] | chelz: | Beirdo: oh nice, so the hvr-2250 does cc stuff fine these days? |
| [06:40:49] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: makes sense |
| [06:41:01] | Beirdo: | chelz: in digital mode, I believe so, yes. |
| [06:41:38] | Beirdo: | the format used in analog mode (if it's completed) isn't what mythtv currently does (from what I remember trying to get it working a few months back) |
| [06:41:55] | Beirdo: | analog capture otherwise works wonderfully for me |
| [06:42:19] | chelz: | hmm is there some slightly older dual tuner analog+digital card that does analog cc? |
| [06:42:52] | Beirdo: | if the vbi drivers are in fact complete, it probably wouldn't take much to make it work |
| [06:43:05] | devinheitmueller: | chelz: Dual analog cards that have MPEG encoders are pretty rare. |
| [06:43:28] | devinheitmueller: | The 2250 is the only one i know of that has dual digital, dual analog, *and* MPEG encoders. |
| [06:43:45] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: looking at the pic now. Do you mean BN1/BN2 ? |
| [06:43:49] | Beirdo: | that's what I was thinking too, but wasn't sure |
| [06:43:56] | wagnerrp: | are there any non-hauppauge cards with digital and mpeg encoders? |
| [06:43:58] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: I think it's wagnerrp's pic :) |
| [06:44:03] | devinheitmueller: | Pardon. |
| [06:44:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, BW1 and BW2 |
| [06:44:09] | Beirdo: | no problemo :) |
| [06:44:26] | chelz: | wagnerrp: good question |
| [06:44:28] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: BW1 is just a UART. Probably a debug port for a serial console. |
| [06:44:45] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: regarding non-Hauppauge cards, none that I can think of. |
| [06:45:00] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Dvico has a dual digital card that has analog, but no MPEG encoder. |
| [06:45:23] | devinheitmueller: | Aver might have something, but good luck seeing it supported under Linux. |
| [06:45:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean hauppauge is pretty much the only game in town if you want to record analog |
| [06:45:55] | wagnerrp: | (with an mpeg encoder, rather than framegrabber) |
| [06:45:59] | chelz: | i'm hedging my bets, in case i ever need to work with the output of some dta-type box |
| [06:46:25] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Leadtek has a couple of cx18 based boards (same chip as the HVR-1600). I don't know if they are available in the US though. |
| [06:47:00] | wagnerrp: | 'complete QAM-to-NTSC converter on a single chip' |
| [06:47:06] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: BW2 is probably just a second debug port. |
| [06:47:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if that reads 'NTSC modulator' |
| [06:47:49] | [R]: | i've seen "ntsc video" refer to video going out on svideo or component |
| [06:47:57] | [R]: | composite* |
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| [06:48:05] | devinheitmueller: | I looked at the 35450 a bit at one point. It's an SOC with MPEG decoder and scaler. |
| [06:48:56] | devinheitmueller: | The modulator would not be on chip. It would output S-video, and a modulator under one of the shields would do the heavy lifting. |
| [06:49:20] | chelz: | googling isn't really giving me anything so: where would one go/look for the latest on hvr-2250 analog CC support? |
| [06:49:29] | [R]: | RF makes my head hurt |
| [06:49:39] | [R]: | chelz: linuxtv's website |
| [06:49:51] | chelz: | aha |
| [06:49:53] | wagnerrp: | i see no traces going into that shield from the top or bottom |
| [06:49:56] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: If you *really* cared about finding the S-video, I'm sure you could poke around with a scope and find it. |
| [06:50:10] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: They could be on an interior layer |
| [06:50:11] | [R]: | wagnerrp: the hardware guys at my work like ot remind me that boards have mulitple layers in them |
| [06:50:15] | chelz: | thanks |
| [06:50:16] | wagnerrp: | so i can only assume its an interior layer |
| [06:50:17] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [06:50:31] | wagnerrp: | which would mean i would have to desolder the shield to get at them |
| [06:50:41] | devinheitmueller: | The linuxtv.org website won't have any info on CC for the 2250. |
| [06:50:46] | [R]: | devinheitmueller: what does svideo look like? |
| [06:51:17] | devinheitmueller: | [R]: that's a tricky question. It's a waveform. :-) |
| [06:51:25] | [R]: | hehe |
| [06:51:29] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: my 'scope' would be hitting points on the board with a wire connected to the tv... :P |
| [06:51:46] | ** wagnerrp has no electronics gear besides a cheap radioshack iron ** | |
| [06:51:52] | devinheitmueller: | heh. |
| [06:52:00] | qwerty_: | devinheitmueller: got it! |
| [06:52:06] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, you would probably want to poke around for a 27 MHz signal. |
| [06:52:13] | devinheitmueller: | (or it could be 13.5, I forget) |
| [06:52:18] | qwerty_: | chelz: pay VERY close attention to what I'm about to say if your going to get the 2250. |
| [06:52:28] | chelz: | qwerty_: paying |
| [06:53:59] | qwerty_: | The instructions at http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1445 from Clark at November 29, 2010, 10:00 pm. They work. |
| [06:54:03] | wagnerrp: | well the UART port may be interesting for some sort of control other than IR |
| [06:54:16] | wagnerrp: | but ive really not got the experience or equipment to pull that off |
| [06:54:22] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: if you really wanted to reverse engineer it, perhaps. |
| [06:54:30] | wagnerrp: | time to close it back up i guess... thanks |
| [06:54:35] | nutron: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQo2FJPLeQk <--- just... wow |
| [06:55:34] | chelz: | qwerty_: oh nice, thanks |
| [06:55:42] | qwerty_: | np |
| [06:55:59] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: i still need to get my -150s working in the first place |
| [06:56:01] | devinheitmueller: | qwerty_: Oh, you just installed the current v4l-dvb tree? Well, duh, of course that would work. |
| [06:56:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:56:20] | qwerty_: | What did I do different? |
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| [06:56:44] | devinheitmueller: | qwerty_: You didn't install the bleeding edge driver. You just installed what was already upstream. |
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| [06:56:56] | qwerty_: | As long as it works :) |
| [06:56:57] | wagnerrp: | i moved them over to my master backend (fbsd) a couple weeks ago |
| [06:57:05] | wagnerrp: | the 'cxm' driver is working |
| [06:57:10] | Beirdo: | which, IIRC, has exactly what my setup has |
| [06:57:10] | devinheitmueller: | ... which is fine, of course, but I assumed you already knew you could do that. |
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| [06:57:19] | wagnerrp: | tuners show up, firmware is loaded, i can pull video off them from the command line |
| [06:57:30] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv isnt properly enumerating the available inputs |
| [06:57:30] | chelz: | so this is just for my curiosity, is the hdhr basically the best way to get hd stuff to mythtv? |
| [06:57:46] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR is /a/ way to get unencrypted HD stuff to mythtv |
| [06:57:47] | Beirdo: | "stuff" isn't very specific |
| [06:57:56] | wagnerrp: | and currently, its a relatively cheap one |
| [06:57:57] | qwerty_: | Failing to open /dev/d vb/adapter0 |
| [06:58:21] | wagnerrp: | well theres your problem, youre inserting unicode into your device nodes |
| [06:58:30] | qwerty_: | Huh? |
| [06:58:31] | Beirdo: | snicker |
| [06:58:46] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, I'm going to bed. Have a good night. |
| [06:58:54] | wagnerrp: | night, thanks again for looking |
| [06:58:57] | devinheitmueller: | np |
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| [07:00:26] | chelz: | anyone who has a minute, would you check if there's info here about whether or not comcast cable stuff is encrypted? http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . 5#sidebyside |
| [07:00:38] | wagnerrp: | chelz: nothing on that page is encrypted |
| [07:00:44] | wagnerrp: | anything you see there will be accessible in mythtv |
| [07:01:45] | chelz: | ah hmm. what does stuff like "74–7595" under channel mean? |
| [07:01:51] | qwerty_: | wagnerrp: what did you mean by unicode into my device nodes? |
| [07:02:05] | chelz: | does it mean both channels are the same? |
| [07:02:27] | wagnerrp: | chelz: when not given a proper name by the stream, mythtv uses the physical channel, and the stream id |
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| [07:03:10] | chelz: | ah, stream id. interesting |
| [07:03:56] | chelz: | well as far as i can tell, i think all the channels are available |
| [07:04:12] | chelz: | for basic cable at least |
| [07:04:59] | wagnerrp: | if your local franchise has not gotten a 'privacy mode' waiver yet, everything the DTAs use will be unencrypted |
| [07:05:05] | wagnerrp: | to not expect that to remain forever |
| [07:05:35] | wagnerrp: | are you comcast or astound? |
| [07:05:38] | chelz: | comcast |
| [07:05:55] | wagnerrp: | so you only have access to your local channels |
| [07:06:21] | chelz: | yeah. but that seems to be like what basic cable offers. stuff like cartoon network and those |
| [07:06:45] | chelz: | if stuff does wind up encrypted, how long would it take until that happens? |
| [07:07:38] | wagnerrp: | all those K____ channels, those cant be encrypted |
| [07:07:38] | chelz: | oh wait i was looking at astound, you're right, bunch of channels are missing |
| [07:07:47] | wagnerrp: | local channels must be in the clear |
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| [07:08:06] | wagnerrp: | cspan, shopping, public access, no one bothers to encrypt those |
| [07:08:47] | wagnerrp: | oxygen, bravo, and a&e are about the only two surprising things on there |
| [07:08:53] | wagnerrp: | everything else seems fairly normal |
| [07:08:59] | wagnerrp: | however, youre in the bay area |
| [07:09:15] | wagnerrp: | and apparently the bay area comcast franchise runs most of their channels copy-freely |
| [07:09:30] | Beirdo: | I wish they WOULD encrypt the shopping channels... and oxygen |
| [07:09:53] | chelz: | oh so a good tuner box i could use over firewire or something? |
| [07:10:02] | wagnerrp: | so in the event mythtv supports the ceton tuner (probably by 0.25), or silicondust starts shipping their units, you should be able to use those to pick up most of the channels |
| [07:10:12] | wagnerrp: | firewire would probably work too |
| [07:10:39] | Beirdo: | I think I'll head to bed... got plenty of mythtv-y things to do tomorrow |
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| [07:11:12] | wagnerrp: | i need to figure out why my backend is being bitchy |
| [07:11:17] | wagnerrp: | nothing recorded since wednesday |
| [07:11:28] | Beirdo: | give it some midol |
| [07:11:44] | Beirdo: | is there a mfd still running? |
| [07:11:46] | nutron: | serial terminal ftw! |
| [07:11:57] | qwerty_: | Will mythtv work without video sources if I am using a grabber? I have guide data, but I'm getting tuner errors. |
| [07:11:57] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [07:12:13] | wagnerrp: | how would you define a grabber without a video source? |
| [07:12:14] | nutron: | that used to work didn't it? |
| [07:12:27] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: K, fair enough, thought I'd check |
| [07:12:30] | qwerty_: | wagnerrp: mythweb shows my guide data. |
| [07:12:42] | wagnerrp: | you cannot have channels if you dont have a video source |
| [07:12:43] | kormoc: | qwerty_, but... you can't record off of that data |
| [07:12:46] | chelz: | would mythtv be likely to support almost any firewire tv tuner box i get? |
| [07:12:51] | Beirdo: | I have a wee fix I've been testing for mfd's shutdown which seems to get wedged at times |
| [07:13:03] | wagnerrp: | chelz: mythtv should be able to support just about any firewire cable box you get |
| [07:13:14] | Beirdo: | night all |
| [07:13:18] | chelz: | night Beirdo |
| [07:13:28] | nutron: | hmm I wonder if canuckistanian cable companies will let me record off the firewire in hd |
| [07:13:32] | wagnerrp: | usually any devices that are not supported directly, can be supported just by adding a line or two to the code so mythtv recognizes it |
| [07:13:36] | nutron: | rhetorical question, no answer needed |
| [07:13:41] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [07:13:43] | chelz: | does firewire include CC data? and what format is the firewire signal in? |
| [07:13:55] | wagnerrp: | CC? closed caption? |
| [07:14:06] | kormoc: | it's the same as via a digital tuner |
| [07:15:17] | chelz: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [07:15:17] | chelz: | ah |
| [07:15:34] | nutron: | lol has anyone ever used dinodirect? |
| [07:16:46] | chelz: | dang hm. i was kind of hoping to eventually get away from cable and getting 4 firewire tuners isn't exactly a good way to keep away. otherwise i guess i'd need 4 DTA boxes and hook those up to a HVR-2250 |
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| [07:17:29] | nutron: | instead of actually shipping what i ordered, they insist on giving me a credit... |
| [07:17:32] | wagnerrp: | chelz: you dont purchase firewire tuners |
| [07:17:40] | wagnerrp: | you rent cable boxes from your cable company |
| [07:17:45] | nutron: | just plug-it-in |
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| [07:18:49] | chelz: | wagnerrp: i thought they were like DTA things. i kinda remember something about buying a DTA box |
| [07:23:05] | chelz: | hmm |
| [07:24:55] | qwerty_: | Anyone know why I keep getting a message at boot that I'm downloading firmare? |
| [07:26:04] | wagnerrp: | because some tuner cards need firmware loaded |
| [07:26:09] | kormoc: | qwerty_, cause it's uploading newer firmware from the disk to a tuner card or a cpu |
| [07:26:22] | qwerty_: | kormoc: every time I boot? |
| [07:27:04] | kormoc: | yes |
| [07:27:12] | kormoc: | it's non-persistant |
| [07:27:31] | kormoc: | wouldn't want a failed upload to kill your device would ya? |
| [07:27:57] | qwerty_: | Huh? |
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| [07:34:25] | wagnerrp: | qwerty_: tuner cards function like little embedded computers |
| [07:34:28] | wagnerrp: | they need code to run |
| [07:34:31] | wagnerrp: | that code is the firmware |
| [07:34:50] | qwerty_: | wagnerrp: right I know that, but why is it trying to download firmware EVERY time I reboot. |
| [07:34:57] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to risk that code being corrupted, and making the device unusable |
| [07:35:01] | chelz: | are cable boxes / tuner boxes sold anywhere? i mean they have to be |
| [07:35:11] | wagnerrp: | so every time you boot, your computer pushes the firmware into the device |
| [07:35:17] | wagnerrp: | youre not downloading off the internet |
| [07:35:23] | wagnerrp: | youre downloading off the system bus |
| [07:35:28] | qwerty_: | Oh... |
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| [07:35:31] | wagnerrp: | chelz: not to consumers |
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| [07:37:44] | chelz: | hmm seem to be a few on ebay but not really any on amazon |
| [07:38:26] | innatech: | Having a little trouble getting my HD-PVR recognized and assigned a /dev/video node after an update to 2.6.35–25 (from -22). I have a newer unit with the 4903 device ID. I deleted my old copy of the driver source, pulled it again from mercurial, and then added the 4903 ID lines. However, when I make and install I the unit isn't recognized and modinfo shows the USB ID isn't in the driver. What am I doing wrong? |
| [07:40:34] | kormoc: | chelz, even if you buy one the cable co doesn't have to activate it on their network |
| [07:41:36] | chelz: | kormoc: would they refuse to activate some boxes? i mean if i'm a legit customer and everything it seems like they should activate whatever |
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| [07:45:37] | kormoc: | chelz, lost money, can't confirm the firmware is legit, can't confirm it's not stolen, etc |
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| [07:48:35] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i thought they had to active any valid cable-card using device |
| [07:49:12] | qwerty_: | Where can I get some information on why my tuner card has an error? |
| [07:50:16] | chelz: | they might get to decide what counts as "valid" |
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| [07:50:27] | chelz: | qwerty_: do you get an error message or something? |
| [07:50:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I thought that hasn't passed? |
| [07:50:41] | qwerty_: | chelz: no just says it has an error. |
| [07:50:52] | kormoc: | English or Russian? |
| [07:51:08] | kormoc: | I am saddened by the changing of the york peppermint patty girl |
| [07:55:07] | nutron: | odd.. |
| [07:55:50] | qwerty_: | Anyone? |
| [07:58:19] | chelz: | qwerty_: what's the specific message it gives? you might also try checking the mythtv logs, wherever those are |
| [07:59:02] | qwerty_: | chelz: Tuner 1 [ mpeg: /dev/video0 ] has an error, nothing in the logs I can see. |
| [07:59:28] | kormoc: | pastebin the backend logs and the output from dmesg |
| [08:00:59] | chelz: | what does it mean for a card to support NTSC or not? like alongside ATSC and ClearQAM. does it mean analog over the air? |
| [08:01:15] | wagnerrp: | there is no analog over the air |
| [08:02:31] | qwerty_: | http://pastebin.com/yRe5TDUy |
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| [08:05:16] | chelz: | hrm |
| [08:05:47] | chelz: | is it just redundant? saying "this card isn't pal"? |
| [08:06:32] | chelz: | or hm, if ntsc is different from atsc, then dta boxes might just put out ntsc |
| [08:06:41] | kormoc: | chelz, you'd be surprised "I bought this pvr-150-PAL and it's not working with my ntsc!" |
| [08:06:43] | wagnerrp: | yes, they output ATSC |
| [08:06:49] | chelz: | oh |
| [08:06:56] | wagnerrp: | erm... NTSC |
| [08:06:59] | chelz: | oh |
| [08:07:01] | wagnerrp: | the analog stuff |
| [08:07:13] | wagnerrp: | ATSC is digital broadcast, NTSC is analog broadcast |
| [08:07:15] | chelz: | so i take it ntsc is not atsc, just to be totally clear |
| [08:07:16] | chelz: | aha |
| [08:07:23] | kormoc: | qwerty_, it tells you the issue, "Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?" |
| [08:07:25] | chelz: | good to know, thanks :) |
| [08:07:53] | qwerty_: | kormoc: I still haven't got any data from schedules direct yet. Is that it? |
| [08:07:57] | kormoc: | chelz, PAL is another standard like NTSC used widely in Europe |
| [08:08:21] | kormoc: | qwerty_, you need to get a data source and attach it to a input on your card, it doesn't matter if it is SD or other data sources (depending where you live) |
| [08:08:24] | chelz: | kormoc: yeah i know about pal/ntsc from vidja games |
| [08:09:10] | kormoc: | vidja? sounds like a STD |
| [08:09:57] | innatech: | Fixed the driver. Something had gone wrong with make. Video nodes are created normally again. Now that I'm looking at dmesg, I'm seeing a warning about untested HDPVR firmware. Is that normal for the current versionlevels? |
| [08:10:28] | kormoc: | innatech, aye, that's normal |
| [08:10:35] | chelz: | kormoc: i would not contest that :P |
| [08:11:08] | qwerty_: | Can someone update with schedules direct to see if they are having problems? |
| [08:11:32] | innatech: | kormoc, cool, thanks. |
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| [08:30:11] | Chat7343: | how do i change my name? |
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| [08:31:00] | wagnerrp: | !url lmgtfy irc change name |
| [08:31:00] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=irc%20change%20name |
| [08:31:19] | SplitTail: | i got it!! |
| [08:31:38] | ** wagnerrp goes to bed ** | |
| [08:35:15] | SplitTail: | so no one chats? |
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| [08:35:51] | chelz: | cya wagnerrp |
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| [08:40:36] | innatech: | qwerty, it's working for me. |
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| [09:23:14] | mianos: | OMG, first thing I added to the jamu per use config file brings up a known bug |
| [09:24:20] | mianos: | [ignore-directory] |
| [09:24:44] | mianos: | self.config['ignore-directory'].append(unicode(cfg.get(section, option), 'utf8')) |
| [09:24:45] | mianos: | TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported |
| [09:24:49] | mianos: | aaahg! |
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| [12:43:21] | chelz: | anyone know if you can have ntsc and atsc on the same coax at the same time? |
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| [12:50:19] | knightr: | chelz, if you are talking OTA (and not a mix of OTA and cable), yes... |
| [12:50:43] | chelz: | nice! |
| [12:51:08] | chelz: | yeah i want to do like a reverse splitter combining coax from a DTA and coax from a DTA box that outputs ntsc |
| [12:51:11] | nutron: | standard def should be enough for anyone... |
| [12:51:18] | chelz: | i hear that :P |
| [12:51:21] | ** nutron turns off bill gates quote mode ** | |
| [12:51:58] | chelz: | is this page legitimate? as in, does the HVR-2250 really support all of that just fine with mythtv? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Analog_Hardware_Encoder_Cards |
| [12:52:18] | knightr: | DTA? |
| [12:52:47] | chelz: | it's the name for these comcast cable boxes that convert encrypted digital cable to analog |
| [12:53:14] | knightr: | the big problem with the 2250 is that most kernel don't have analog support for it currently... |
| [12:53:23] | knightr: | s/kernel/kernels |
| [12:54:34] | knightr: | chelz, then in that case I doubt you could combined... combining OTA and cable can apparently cause interference and is apparently illegal because of it... |
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| [12:55:05] | chelz: | oh |
| [12:55:29] | chelz: | dang.. i'll need to figure something out |
| [12:55:44] | nutron: | y'know... nothing's more tiring than sitting in front of a computer and waiting for stuff to finish |
| [12:56:00] | chelz: | knightr: thx for the warning but a guy earlier tonight going by qwerty_ linked me to this and it seems like it works with the right magic sauce http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1445#comment-1977 |
| [12:59:45] | knightr: | yep, that's essentially their (new) backport tree AFAIK but it doesn't come stock, you have to compile (which some people don't want to do), might not always work and you have to recompile each time you update your kernel... |
| [13:00:30] | chelz: | i'm hoping to not touch the box once i get it all working |
| [13:01:09] | knightr: | support for it stock will probably be in 2.6.37... |
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| [13:01:26] | knightr: | ok... |
| [13:01:59] | chelz: | ah, that'll be nice |
| [13:02:32] | knightr: | only distro which currently has it AFAIK is Fedora 14 (with a 2.6.35 kernel) but that was a backport... |
| [13:02:53] | chelz: | is "it" v4l? |
| [13:03:02] | knightr: | yep... |
| [13:03:24] | knightr: | yep, v4l with analog support for the hvr-2250... |
| [13:03:50] | chelz: | ah |
| [13:04:36] | chelz: | i think there are some ubuntu v4l PPAs |
| [13:05:05] | chelz: | knightr: is there a released version of v4l officially with analog support for hvr-2250 that you know of? |
| [13:05:16] | knightr: | maybe... |
| [13:05:39] | chelz: | i just need a version number, to know if the PPAs have it or not |
| [13:05:41] | knightr: | chelz, not sure I understand your question... |
| [13:05:54] | dlonie: | Hi all, I'm running fixes-0.24, and I can't get mythmusic to work. I see a lot of these in my backend log: |
| [13:05:58] | dlonie: | Table 'mythconverg.music_songs' doesn't exist |
| [13:06:31] | dlonie: | Sure enough, /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg doesn't have any music_* entries. |
| [13:06:44] | dlonie: | Is there a way to rebuild those tables? |
| [13:06:46] | knightr: | hmm, sorry, don't know... you would have to have an idea of when it was released I would say to check if Steven Toth had issued his pull request for it (analog support). |
| [13:07:59] | chelz: | ah, alright |
| [13:08:56] | knightr: | dlonie, any idea why they are not there? |
| [13:09:59] | knightr: | I know MythWeather uses a special type for its tables which is not always installed but I don't thing MythMusic does... |
| [13:10:11] | knightr: | s/thing/think |
| [13:13:42] | dlonie: | I have no idea. This database has been in use for several years, maybe a scheme change got missed? |
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| [13:14:05] | knightr: | it should have destroyed it though... |
| [13:14:14] | dlonie: | I've never really used mythmusic before, so this could have been like this for a while. |
| [13:15:16] | knightr: | if I'm not mistaken you can have them recreated by messing with the schema version of these tables... let me check if I can find something.. |
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| [13:15:42] | dlonie: | Thanks knightr |
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| [13:19:45] | knightr: | dlonie, I found one (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1473793.html) but I'm checking to see if I can find a more "official" one.. |
| [13:20:14] | ** knightr wished sphery was here... :) ** | |
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| [13:26:19] | knightr: | dlonie, yep, it's the right proc, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407454#407454 Mike is one of the devs (if not the dev) which is most familiar with the database... |
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| [13:27:17] | dlonie: | knightr: Awesome, trying it now... |
| [13:28:45] | dlonie: | That worked :-) Thanks for the help! |
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| [13:28:58] | knightr: | dlonie, np.. |
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| [15:29:17] | cleith: | Hello |
| [15:29:57] | cleith: | Anybody know why enabling COMPOSITE is so incompatible with myth? |
| [15:30:51] | cleith: | Prior to 0.24 I used to be able to leave it enabled, but for 0.24 I pretty much have to disable to get good playback on a 9500gt. |
| [15:31:16] | cleith: | Is it a "horsepower" thing? What if I had a more powerful card? |
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| [15:51:26] | cleith: | later |
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| [16:01:22] | Diverdude: | I have some movie-files (atriology) called [01]moviename, [02]moviename and [03]moviename...But for some reason, when viewed in mythTV the [01], [02] and [03] parts of the filenames are ignored...Why? |
| [16:01:22] | MythLogBot: | SVN 02: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/654df684 |
| [16:01:23] | MythLogBot: | No match for SVN revision 03 |
| [16:04:53] | Diverdude: | any1? |
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| [16:28:17] | sn9: | i do realize this topic has been discussed to death repeatedly in the past, but can someone please clarify the conventional wisdom on exactly what part of "Except for that information which is in the public domain or for which you have been given written permission by TV Guide or the copyright owner, you may not copy, modify, publish, transmit, distribute, perform, display, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or |
| [16:28:17] | sn9: | in any way exploit the content of the TV Guide Website or any portion thereof." would be violated by an XMLTV grabber that parses their tab-separated values stream? thanx |
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| [16:57:23] | wagnerrp: | sn9: an xmltv grabber would probably be considered a derivative work |
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| [16:57:47] | sn9: | hmm |
| [16:59:18] | wagnerrp: | sn9: the simple fact is that those websites can and do change very often, resulting in breakage of any scraper |
| [16:59:25] | sn9: | and i guess the tab-separated values can be a "portion" even though they are not displayed directly but only serve as input to the javascript and css... |
| [16:59:34] | wagnerrp: | page scrapers are never desirable when there is another solution |
| [16:59:40] | wagnerrp: | namely schedules direct |
| [16:59:46] | sn9: | i am not talking about scraping html here |
| [16:59:53] | FabriceMG: | jamus is for pirate, he uses pictures without the owner's acceptance |
| [17:00:04] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [17:00:25] | sn9: | is the "eh?" to me or to FabriceMG? |
| [17:00:30] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG |
| [17:00:56] | wagnerrp: | just a strange, random outburst |
| [17:01:05] | sn9: | ok |
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| [17:01:57] | FabriceMG: | sasc is pirate, but jamu no, ! strange idea |
| [17:02:27] | wagnerrp: | no, jamu pulls images from themoviedb.org and thetvdb.com |
| [17:02:45] | wagnerrp: | images that are claimed by the uploader to be freely redistributable |
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| [17:03:05] | wagnerrp: | images that have an easy DMCA takedown mechanism should they not be freely redistributable |
| [17:03:55] | FabriceMG: | no comment, wagnerrp, it's totaly wrong |
| [17:04:26] | sn9: | or would a common definition of page scraping include parsing tables that have no markup? |
| [17:05:16] | [R]: | FabriceMG: what part of what he is is "wrong"? |
| [17:05:25] | [R]: | what he said* |
| [17:06:32] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: the simple fact is that the vast majority of SASC use is to violate one of two things |
| [17:07:01] | wagnerrp: | users either want to A) share a conditional access card in violation of their provider's terms of service, in order to avoid renting a second card |
| [17:07:31] | wagnerrp: | or B) access the conditional access broadcasts illegally without any card |
| [17:08:02] | wagnerrp: | there is some perfectly valid use of it, but not much |
| [17:08:07] | wagnerrp: | so we do not support it, period |
| [17:10:20] | FabriceMG: | What I like with you (mythtv manager), is that illegal depends on who has programmed |
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| [17:12:05] | wagnerrp: | well... thats sorta how it works |
| [17:12:11] | t4tm0h: | hey wassup |
| [17:12:16] | wagnerrp: | our servers are based over here, our developers are based over here |
| [17:12:43] | wagnerrp: | if we assist you in doing something that would be considered illegal over here, we would be culpable |
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| [17:12:55] | t4tm0h: | are you with Myth wagner? |
| [17:13:07] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [17:13:08] | [R]: | FabriceMG: you still havnet explain how jamu is illegal |
| [17:13:15] | t4tm0h: | where are you located? |
| [17:13:19] | [R]: | t4tm0h: but shhh... hes top sekrit |
| [17:13:33] | t4tm0h: | where are the myth people located is what i mean |
| [17:13:36] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: just over the river |
| [17:13:36] | t4tm0h: | you said "over here" |
| [17:13:47] | wagnerrp: | 'over here' meaning the US |
| [17:13:48] | [R]: | t4tm0h: theres been quite a lengthy mailing list discussion aboot that |
| [17:14:08] | t4tm0h: | oh ok.. i'm in the US |
| [17:14:15] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2011 . . . /308688.html |
| [17:14:30] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: actually, youre probably within 10 miles of me |
| [17:14:41] | t4tm0h: | you in ohio? |
| [17:14:45] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [17:14:49] | t4tm0h: | ky in? |
| [17:15:03] | wagnerrp: | "<wagnerrp> t4tm0h: just over the river" |
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| [17:15:24] | t4tm0h: | ahh well the closest river to me is the Great Miami :) |
| [17:15:36] | t4tm0h: | but i assume you mean the Ohio |
| [17:15:36] | wagnerrp: | the big one |
| [17:15:50] | t4tm0h: | cool, are you a developer? |
| [17:15:57] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [17:16:23] | t4tm0h: | you guys need to code something to where during commercials, i can get the stats for my NFL game right on the screen with the Info button |
| [17:16:25] | t4tm0h: | or something like that |
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| [17:16:44] | [R]: | t4tm0h: or just skkip them |
| [17:16:46] | [R]: | problem solved |
| [17:16:51] | wagnerrp: | its been suggested |
| [17:16:51] | t4tm0h: | skip wha? |
| [17:16:59] | [R]: | the commercials... |
| [17:17:09] | t4tm0h: | ohhh.... well i'm talking live R |
| [17:17:09] | wagnerrp: | start the game halfway through |
| [17:17:14] | wagnerrp: | fast forward through the commercials |
| [17:17:14] | [R]: | liver? |
| [17:17:15] | t4tm0h: | right wagner |
| [17:17:43] | t4tm0h: | if i wanted to start coding my own stuff onto myth what would i need CPP? |
| [17:18:38] | wagnerrp: | with the new UI and OSD interface, you could create a plugin that would provide a new OSD widget |
| [17:19:06] | t4tm0h: | i've got a question, I have not set up a mythbox ever.... right now i've been checking it out via VMware, could i start putting stuff on it and then run remastersys and create an ISO and set it up that way? |
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| [17:19:18] | wagnerrp: | you could either scrape and render your own information on there, or just open up a webpage that runs in a sidebar |
| [17:19:20] | StevenR: | hrrm. I'm looking at building a myth box. Basically a couple of 1TB or so disks, and a low power CPU/mobo combo. I plan to use my laptop as an output device to view files over the lan. But I'm not sure how powerful hardware I need. Can I use an dual core atom for the backend? Or do I need something more powerful? If so, what can I use that's powerful enough, but still reasonably low power |
| [17:19:38] | wagnerrp: | whether you could hook into the player and get proper control over it... i dont know |
| [17:19:51] | wagnerrp: | ive never looked into that bit of code |
| [17:20:23] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: ideally, you would set up one or more dedicated linux machines to run mythtv |
| [17:20:29] | t4tm0h: | I've actually got a ton of questions, i'm seriously diggin this MythTV though.... a lot of stuff i wanna do with it |
| [17:20:36] | wagnerrp: | preferably none of them virtualized |
| [17:21:06] | wagnerrp: | StevenR: you dont want a low power cpu/mobo |
| [17:21:14] | wagnerrp: | you can bet buy with ION and the like for the frontends |
| [17:21:19] | t4tm0h: | oh yeah, i don't plan on keeping it Virtualized, i'd wanna compile stuff onto it in VMware, then make an ISO from it, If that would be possible |
| [17:21:50] | wagnerrp: | but at least for the backend, pick up a dual core (non-Atom) processor minimum |
| [17:22:06] | wagnerrp: | an Athlon 2, Core 2, i3/i5 |
| [17:22:08] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [17:22:11] | t4tm0h: | are there minimum hardware requirements as far as RAM CPU? |
| [17:22:30] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt go lower than 1GB |
| [17:22:36] | t4tm0h: | that's what i figure |
| [17:22:39] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: right, well, given that, what's low power in that space? |
| [17:22:55] | wagnerrp: | StevenR: all of them are fairly low power |
| [17:23:01] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: really, I'm looking for something that can idle at low power |
| [17:23:13] | wagnerrp: | you could put together an athlon 2 or core 2 system that idles under 40W |
| [17:23:19] | wagnerrp: | and an i3 that idles under 30W |
| [17:23:44] | wagnerrp: | or you can get something like a mac mini which runs lower power than even the 'vaunted' Atoms |
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| [17:24:43] | wagnerrp: | tuner cards are going to require power, hard drives are going to require power, memory is going to require power... and none of that is going to change depending on your choice of motherboard and processor |
| [17:25:18] | t4tm0h: | question: i plan to just capture digital air signals........... what kind of capture card would i need? |
| [17:25:36] | wagnerrp: | ATSC tuner |
| [17:25:39] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [17:25:39] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [17:25:54] | t4tm0h: | is there anything different from ATSC and dvb? |
| [17:25:59] | ** J-e-f-f-A casts a vote for the HDHomeRun network tuner. ;-) ** | |
| [17:26:23] | wagnerrp: | OTA broadcast over here uses ATSC |
| [17:26:28] | wagnerrp: | digital cable uses QAM |
| [17:26:35] | stuartm: | is anyone having playback/gl problems with the nvidia drivers in the latest ubuntu? |
| [17:26:44] | t4tm0h: | so if i decided to go to cable, i would need a different card correct? |
| [17:26:52] | wagnerrp: | and while there are still a few low power stations still running NTSC, you dont want to bother with those |
| [17:27:06] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: no, there are very few ATSC cards available that do not support QAM |
| [17:27:22] | wagnerrp: | however do note that most channels on digital cable will be encrypted, and inaccessible by mythtv at this time |
| [17:27:33] | wagnerrp: | the only way to record those would be a rented cable box and analog capture |
| [17:27:49] | t4tm0h: | so i'd wanna cable box with firewire? |
| [17:27:50] | wagnerrp: | either standard definition capture over a PVR-150/500/1600/2250 |
| [17:27:54] | sn9: | anything with xc3028 supports atsc but not qam |
| [17:27:59] | wagnerrp: | or high definition capture with an HDPVR |
| [17:28:10] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: firewire is an option, but its hit or miss |
| [17:28:22] | t4tm0h: | it would still need to decrypt? |
| [17:28:28] | wagnerrp: | there is a system called '5c' which is meant to protect content over firewire |
| [17:28:46] | wagnerrp: | it involves a handshaking and encryption scheme for firewire that mythtv does not support |
| [17:28:55] | wagnerrp: | you may get everything over firewire, you may get nothing |
| [17:29:05] | t4tm0h: | are there any plans to allow the main player to play RTMP streams? |
| [17:29:06] | wagnerrp: | it all depends on what time warner has flagged for protection |
| [17:29:29] | wagnerrp: | the only widely used RTMP streams i know of are those used by Hulu |
| [17:29:36] | wagnerrp: | which is actually RTMPe (e for encrypted) |
| [17:30:02] | wagnerrp: | there is a mythnetvision plugin, which will provide access to hulu content through the flash player |
| [17:30:09] | wagnerrp: | live playback only |
| [17:30:14] | t4tm0h: | I watch a lot of channels from over seas... they put their channels on their sites with RTMP... i'd like them to be playable on MythTV, i have managed to get them playing thru the WEB interface |
| [17:30:38] | wagnerrp: | we have IPTV support |
| [17:30:48] | t4tm0h: | what is IPTV |
| [17:31:15] | wagnerrp: | but that is currently intended for one particular provider in northern france, using RTP/RTSP streams, over multicast, with an m3u file to describe them |
| [17:31:29] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple other providers around the world that are compatible |
| [17:31:33] | wagnerrp: | but its fairly limited |
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| [17:32:10] | t4tm0h: | does myth still have the NetFlix plugin? |
| [17:32:24] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: if you want to fork mythtv to include those features we consider unlawful, be my guest |
| [17:32:44] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: the mythflix plugin never supported streaming, it was only an interface to manage your DVD mail queue |
| [17:32:54] | t4tm0h: | oh ok |
| [17:33:05] | wagnerrp: | further, there cannot be netflix support under linux due to outside forces |
| [17:33:19] | wagnerrp: | netflix streams using silverlight |
| [17:33:29] | wagnerrp: | silverlight uses a DRM mechanism that is not available in moonlight |
| [17:33:36] | wagnerrp: | moonlight being the linux blend of silverlight |
| [17:33:44] | t4tm0h: | I thought i set up my Games correctly, i have installed FCEU and i have the roms directory pointed correctly, however when i click SCAN FOR GAMES, it does nothing |
| [17:34:06] | t4tm0h: | i think i installed the SQL correctly after removing some lines |
| [17:34:07] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about mythgame |
| [17:34:21] | t4tm0h: | is there an IRC channel for that? |
| [17:34:30] | wagnerrp: | for... mythgame? |
| [17:34:34] | t4tm0h: | correct |
| [17:35:02] | wagnerrp: | no, theres this main channel, one for theming, and a couple other unofficial language specific channels |
| [17:35:16] | t4tm0h: | cool thanks |
| [17:35:36] | t4tm0h: | what is an inexpensive ATSC card that is myth friendly? |
| [17:36:08] | [R]: | anything supported by linuxtv |
| [17:36:31] | t4tm0h: | also, if i plan on creating a server... and using myth on multiple TVs with MVP... i would need multiple ATSC cards? |
| [17:37:06] | wagnerrp: | kworld makes some cheap PCI cards, ive got a HVR-1250 thats pretty cheap for PCIe, and then the HDHomeRun (dual tuner) is network attached, and usually on sale for <$100 these days |
| [17:37:09] | wagnerrp: | MVP? |
| [17:37:17] | t4tm0h: | mediaMVP |
| [17:37:42] | wagnerrp: | the old old one? |
| [17:37:44] | [R]: | t4tm0h: you need 1 tuner for each multiplex you want to tune at once |
| [17:38:06] | t4tm0h: | is there a card that can do multiple channels for multiple TVs? |
| [17:38:12] | t4tm0h: | i'm a bit confused on this to be honest |
| [17:38:19] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can buy dual tuners |
| [17:38:24] | wagnerrp: | or you can buy multiple tuner cards |
| [17:38:25] | t4tm0h: | sweet |
| [17:38:43] | t4tm0h: | hmm maybe mediaMVP is out of date? |
| [17:38:46] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: thanks. probably go for a wee shuttle in that case with usb tuners |
| [17:38:56] | wagnerrp: | you will need one physical tuner for every instance of livetv you want running |
| [17:39:04] | [R]: | usb tuners make me want to cry |
| [17:39:08] | wagnerrp: | but then thats not the point of a DVR |
| [17:39:09] | [R]: | wagnerrp: lies |
| [17:39:13] | [R]: | wagnerrp: multirec |
| [17:39:22] | t4tm0h: | even with the Multi tuner wagner? |
| [17:39:23] | StevenR: | [R]: why? |
| [17:39:26] | wagnerrp: | multirec and livetv sessions dont play well together |
| [17:39:35] | [R]: | StevenR: usb makes me want to cry |
| [17:39:46] | wagnerrp: | since one use or another is always going to have to flip to a new card to change channels |
| [17:39:47] | [R]: | i've tried it, seemed to work |
| [17:40:08] | wagnerrp: | the point of a DVR is to pre-record everything you may want to watch, and watch it at a later time |
| [17:40:24] | t4tm0h: | i'm a bit confused on this.......... lets say i create a myth server... it's in a closet.... how would i connect it to an HDTV that is 2 floors below? is there a wireless device? |
| [17:40:25] | [R]: | if you want to watch livetv with atsc |
| [17:40:30] | [R]: | why not just plug your tv into the antenna? |
| [17:40:50] | [R]: | t4tm0h: myth needs a wired network for stablility |
| [17:40:59] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: you build a small PC to run a mythfrontend, and put it next to the HDTV |
| [17:41:14] | t4tm0h: | oh ok, i thought thats what mediaMVP did |
| [17:41:17] | wagnerrp: | wireless network is limited bandwidth, and will have drops |
| [17:41:25] | wagnerrp: | B cannot handle HDTV streams |
| [17:41:33] | t4tm0h: | i have no problem with the network... my home network is wired |
| [17:41:37] | wagnerrp: | G can really only handle one at a time, and only with good signal |
| [17:41:48] | wagnerrp: | and all of them will have dropouts, which mythtv does not buffer for |
| [17:41:56] | t4tm0h: | but it would require a PC and not a console device? |
| [17:42:02] | wagnerrp: | ideally, yes |
| [17:42:11] | wagnerrp: | you can use UPNP to stream to any compliant device |
| [17:42:28] | wagnerrp: | but that device would have to handle the ATSC recordings directly, mythtv will not transcode for them |
| [17:42:40] | wagnerrp: | and UPNP does not support livetv at this time |
| [17:43:03] | wagnerrp: | the original mediamvp is only good for standard definition content |
| [17:43:10] | wagnerrp: | it will choke on ATSC recordings |
| [17:43:17] | t4tm0h: | so, is there any advantage to having a "server" and multiple front ends? |
| [17:43:18] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about the mediamvp hd |
| [17:43:35] | t4tm0h: | or should i just make all my machines backend/frontend? |
| [17:43:46] | wagnerrp: | backends must have tuner cards |
| [17:44:05] | wagnerrp: | if you want to run antenna drops to each frontend, you can make them all combo machines |
| [17:45:55] | t4tm0h: | if i had one server, with one tuner card... and multiple front ends... any ATSC broadcast would go to all the front ends... and i couldnt watch seperate channels on seperate front ends..... even with a multicard??? |
| [17:46:27] | wagnerrp: | if you have multiple frontends and one tuner card, only one of those frontends would be able to use livetv at any given time |
| [17:46:59] | wagnerrp: | the other frontends could be viewing previously recorded programs, mythvideo content, mythmusic content, or anything else in any other plugin that doesnt depend on a tuner card |
| [17:47:45] | t4tm0h: | alright this is where my confusion is..........if i have a server..... are the front ends receiving the signals from coaxile or ethernet? |
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| [17:48:10] | wagnerrp: | the backends record, the frontends play |
| [17:48:30] | t4tm0h: | hmm i'm very confused on this! |
| [17:48:39] | wagnerrp: | for livetv, its still a recording, stored to disk, and streamed to the frontend for playback |
| [17:48:59] | t4tm0h: | ohh really.... how long is the delay? |
| [17:49:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv adds maybe 1–2 seconds |
| [17:49:17] | t4tm0h: | since it's stored on disk, couldnt all the front ends watch the same channel at the same time? |
| [17:49:32] | wagnerrp: | yes, typically livetv recordings are filtered |
| [17:49:44] | wagnerrp: | but you can remove the filter to see the content in the recorded programs list |
| [17:49:46] | wagnerrp: | and play them |
| [17:50:00] | wagnerrp: | they will only be playing that recording though |
| [17:50:04] | t4tm0h: | why are they filtered? |
| [17:50:09] | wagnerrp: | they will not follow the main frontend through channel changes |
| [17:50:13] | t4tm0h: | is it the signal filtering them or is it myth? |
| [17:50:24] | wagnerrp: | they are filtered from the list of recorded programs |
| [17:50:40] | wagnerrp: | because most people dont want to see hundreds of could second long recordings made by someone channel surfing |
| [17:50:46] | wagnerrp: | s/could/couple/ |
| [17:51:04] | wagnerrp: | by default, only scheduled recordings show up in the 'watch recordings' screen |
| [17:51:13] | t4tm0h: | right |
| [17:51:42] | t4tm0h: | so i heard there are 2 ways to get a program guide... one is thru the signal... the other is thru xml is that right? |
| [17:52:30] | wagnerrp: | you can get EIT data through the broadcast, but in north america, its pretty much useless |
| [17:52:40] | t4tm0h: | why is that? |
| [17:53:01] | wagnerrp: | you get somewhere between the next show or two, to maybe a day in advance |
| [17:53:16] | wagnerrp: | not enough for any proper scheduler |
| [17:53:23] | t4tm0h: | oh, so how does the program guide work.... or does it ? |
| [17:53:45] | wagnerrp: | get a schedules direct account, have mythtv pull the next two weeks of guide data from their service |
| [17:53:56] | t4tm0h: | do you pick the channels? |
| [17:54:14] | wagnerrp: | you pick a lineup |
| [17:54:22] | StevenR: | what's the EIT/similar data like in the UK ? |
| [17:54:41] | wagnerrp: | for broadcast, they would give you transmitters so many miles from your zip code |
| [17:54:45] | wagnerrp: | im not sure what the range is |
| [17:54:54] | wagnerrp: | StevenR: i know a lot of people use radiotimes |
| [17:55:04] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: via xmltv you mean? |
| [17:55:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, schedules direct is the only such service that is hardwired into mythtv |
| [17:55:35] | wagnerrp: | everything else interfaces through xmltv |
| [17:55:43] | StevenR: | ahh |
| [17:55:50] | StevenR: | fair enough |
| [17:56:00] | t4tm0h: | hmm... what i would like.........is to get program guides not only for my local OTA........... but also the RTMP streams that i watch from europe......... is that possible? or do you guys just give the local guide |
| [17:56:16] | t4tm0h: | i see it's $20 a year.... i can deal with that lol |
| [17:56:50] | wagnerrp: | SD only provides guide data for shows available over here |
| [17:56:56] | t4tm0h: | oh ok |
| [17:57:08] | wagnerrp: | broadcast stations, cable networks, satellite providers, maybe some FTA satellite |
| [17:57:20] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt have data available for whatever these RTMP streams are |
| [17:57:29] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, mythtv will not support them for recording at this time |
| [17:57:40] | t4tm0h: | if i hooked up myth to direct tv..........would i get a program guide? |
| [17:57:54] | t4tm0h: | without the schedule direct service i mean |
| [17:58:10] | wagnerrp: | directtv only provides guide data that can be accessed through their set top boxes |
| [17:58:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not have access to that data |
| [17:58:25] | wagnerrp: | you couldnt hook mythtv directly up to a satellite dish either |
| [17:58:27] | t4tm0h: | right, but i heard you can firewire connect to myth? |
| [17:58:36] | wagnerrp: | you would have to do analog capture through the STB |
| [17:58:44] | wagnerrp: | and directtv boxes do not support firewire |
| [17:58:44] | t4tm0h: | or is it that all you get is the picture |
| [17:58:53] | t4tm0h: | ok |
| [17:59:00] | [R]: | mythtv is an expensive hobby |
| [17:59:05] | wagnerrp: | that firewire bit is an FCC mandate that only applies to caple companies |
| [17:59:06] | [R]: | if you can't afford $20/yr... |
| [17:59:14] | wagnerrp: | arent all hobbies? |
| [17:59:17] | t4tm0h: | lol |
| [17:59:27] | [R]: | what if your hobby was collecting used soda cans |
| [17:59:29] | [R]: | thats free.. |
| [17:59:31] | t4tm0h: | i can afford $20 a year..........otherwise i wouldnt spend hundreds to build a box |
| [18:00:13] | t4tm0h: | i'm planning on building a 10tb home server for this thing |
| [18:00:15] | wagnerrp: | many people just have some misconception that mythtv is a cheap dvr |
| [18:00:26] | t4tm0h: | in the long run, it is |
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| [18:00:38] | wagnerrp: | 10tb is pretty good, thats probably the higher end of midrange systems |
| [18:00:53] | [R]: | so is my 2.5tb like peanuts? |
| [18:01:38] | wagnerrp: | yep... :) |
| [18:01:45] | [R]: | :( |
| [18:01:53] | wagnerrp: | of the 200 people in here, i would bet at least 20 of them are above the 10TB mark |
| [18:02:00] | t4tm0h: | alright... me and my room mate share a house.........he's a truck driver... is there anything with myth that would allow him to catch a stream from myth from his laptop? |
| [18:02:20] | [R]: | over the intenet? |
| [18:02:24] | wagnerrp: | if you have enough upstream bandwidth, he could just VPN in and use it directly |
| [18:02:32] | t4tm0h: | we're both Browns fans ;) so when the game is on... and he's in chicago..... he'll wanna watch the game too |
| [18:02:34] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, mythweb offers a flash stream |
| [18:03:02] | wagnerrp: | mythweb currently only supports streaming of pre-recorded shows |
| [18:03:05] | wagnerrp: | it cannot do livetv |
| [18:03:10] | kormoc: | [R], my tiny mini has access to 4tb of space via usb... |
| [18:03:17] | t4tm0h: | i think he'd be ok with the recorded show.........higher quality |
| [18:03:39] | [R]: | :=( |
| [18:03:42] | t4tm0h: | but see there wouldnt be much of a point to stream it thru flash when he could just DL it from the server right? |
| [18:03:52] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: the other option is to just download the raw recording through mythweb, and play it locally |
| [18:03:58] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, depends on your bandwidth |
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| [18:04:03] | t4tm0h: | right... exactly what i was saying |
| [18:04:08] | [R]: | kormoc: that's what she said |
| [18:04:18] | wagnerrp: | when streamed through flash, it will be downscaled and transcoded to SD resolutions, and i think 384kbps is the default |
| [18:04:30] | t4tm0h: | right so no HD thru flash eh |
| [18:04:34] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, the flash streaming is pretty much setup so I could watch tv at work in a tiny window |
| [18:04:37] | wagnerrp: | while your ATSC recordings will be closer to 15mbps |
| [18:04:57] | t4tm0h: | really OTA comes in at 15mbps? |
| [18:05:06] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [18:05:09] | t4tm0h: | amazing |
| [18:05:24] | wagnerrp: | total channel throughput is 19.4mbps |
| [18:05:26] | FabriceMG: | question, it's possible to normalize sound? example, on MortorTV for commercials +30db increasing |
| [18:05:34] | wagnerrp: | but the stations around here all have subchannels |
| [18:05:43] | wagnerrp: | NBC and ABC have weather channels |
| [18:05:43] | t4tm0h: | right |
| [18:05:47] | [R]: | FabriceMG: just skip commercials... problem solved |
| [18:05:49] | wagnerrp: | CBS runs CW |
| [18:05:55] | wagnerrp: | FOX has their movie channel |
| [18:06:03] | t4tm0h: | THIS? lol |
| [18:06:10] | t4tm0h: | my room mate watches that channel |
| [18:06:14] | FabriceMG: | [R], in live , no possible |
| [18:06:29] | [R]: | FabriceMG: why would you waste time and money setting up mythtv if you're juts gonn watch livetv |
| [18:06:33] | kormoc: | Wasn't blootube Justinh? |
| [18:06:56] | kormoc: | FabriceMG, right now, no there is no way |
| [18:07:29] | t4tm0h: | i alright not sure if there is a right way to ask this or not but oh well..........what's the best method to get Justintv/ustream/veetle on myth? |
| [18:07:51] | FabriceMG: | [R], good idea, suppress livetv then |
| [18:08:35] | t4tm0h: | i'd really love to see you guys at MYTH put some effort into those type of streaming, moreso than youtube/etc |
| [18:08:59] | t4tm0h: | i know it's prolly a huge request |
| [18:09:00] | [R]: | t4tm0h: mythnetvision does web suff |
| [18:09:03] | [R]: | stuff |
| [18:09:33] | t4tm0h: | i don't see mythnet on mine.........is it just the WATCH INTERNET PORTION? |
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| [18:09:42] | [R]: | yes |
| [18:09:44] | [R]: | 352x480i |
| [18:09:47] | [R]: | what the hell is that... |
| [18:09:56] | kormoc: | 480i |
| [18:10:10] | t4tm0h: | how would i get that setup? would i need to create my own python script? |
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| [18:10:47] | [R]: | kormoc: 352? |
| [18:10:51] | FabriceMG: | kormoc, no way, I don"t think, it's hard but encode in realtime the sound and apply normalization |
| [18:11:00] | [R]: | t4tm0h: if one doesnt exist... yes |
| [18:11:13] | kormoc: | FabriceMG, Patches Welcome |
| [18:11:29] | kormoc: | [R], Analog is... fluid with it's resolutions |
| [18:12:48] | t4tm0h: | yeah if i get those python scripts working, where would i upload em for the community? |
| [18:13:07] | [R]: | the wiki |
| [18:13:11] | [R]: | or trac |
| [18:13:12] | t4tm0h: | cool |
| [18:14:17] | t4tm0h: | the thing is, when i look at the the other netvision scripts, they don't look like python.......they look like xml |
| [18:14:51] | [R]: | its a lot of different stuff |
| [18:14:54] | [R]: | xml, pytyhon, perl, etc |
| [18:15:08] | [R]: | you need a script, python or perl, and xml stuff for config and what not |
| [18:15:21] | t4tm0h: | really? the scripts look really short... i dont see any python or perl inside them.......am i not seeing the full code? |
| [18:15:42] | [R]: | what are you looking at? |
| [18:15:43] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: most of the scripts are written in python, some in perl |
| [18:15:48] | t4tm0h: | i was looking at the wiki |
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| [18:15:51] | wagnerrp: | they OUTPUT xml for mythnetvision to read in |
| [18:15:53] | [R]: | t4tm0h: theres lots of files for a single grabber |
| [18:15:57] | wagnerrp: | that is the output they have to produce |
| [18:16:01] | wagnerrp: | not the code to produce it |
| [18:16:29] | t4tm0h: | oh ok |
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| [18:16:47] | [R]: | i should writ a book "making a mythnetvision grabbetr for fun and profit" |
| [18:16:51] | t4tm0h: | where can i see the full code for a single grabber? |
| [18:16:55] | wagnerrp: | mythnetvision uses a format very similar to RSS |
| [18:16:59] | [R]: | "step 1: write a grabber" "step 2: ???" "step 3: profit" |
| [18:17:04] | wagnerrp: | with the intent that RSS feeds can be used directly |
| [18:17:05] | t4tm0h: | lol R |
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| [18:17:15] | [R]: | t4tm0h: theres tons of grabbers that come with myth |
| [18:17:33] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . ernetcontent |
| [18:17:39] | t4tm0h: | are there? when i opened it for the first time, it gave me like 6 options for grabbers on the mythnetvision portion |
| [18:18:31] | t4tm0h: | ahhhhhhhhhh ok now this looks like python |
| [18:19:16] | t4tm0h: | does the netvision player support rtmp/mms? |
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| [18:19:38] | wagnerrp: | it supports browser-based playback, as well as HTTP downloads |
| [18:19:55] | t4tm0h: | so i would basically play it thru a flash player |
| [18:20:07] | wagnerrp: | if a flash player is available, you could do that |
| [18:21:04] | [R]: | does webkit support html5? |
| [18:21:07] | t4tm0h: | leads me to my next question...... anyway to make it full screen? because the netvision player is about 3/4 of the screen and has a large blue border |
| [18:21:09] | hno: | Hi. I want to apply cutlists permanently on the recorded files, but get confused by the recoding settings needed for doing "no recoding, just apply cutlist". ANyone having some guidance on how things should be set for this? |
| [18:21:23] | [R]: | t4tm0h: i hax0red up my theme for that |
| [18:21:30] | t4tm0h: | yeah? |
| [18:21:41] | t4tm0h: | i'd like a full screen like you did lol |
| [18:21:49] | [R]: | so hax0r up your theme |
| [18:21:50] | wagnerrp: | hno: do a lossless transcode with mythtranscode |
| [18:22:01] | t4tm0h: | i'd also like to figure out how to get a flash player to autofull screen |
| [18:22:16] | wagnerrp: | note that cutlists are not the same thing as skiplists, which are what the commercial flagger produces |
| [18:22:24] | [R]: | t4tm0h: some flash players suport javascript apis |
| [18:22:38] | [R]: | t4tm0h: master branch has support for youtbuer's js stuff |
| [18:22:48] | t4tm0h: | yeah? which one that supports rtmp has those apis? |
| [18:23:06] | [R]: | no clue |
| [18:23:09] | t4tm0h: | lol |
| [18:24:02] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: description on how to use the JS APIs have to be written into the grabbers |
| [18:24:08] | [R]: | i do questionable things with rtmpdump and it seems to work nicely for me |
| [18:24:10] | hno: | wagnerrp: Yes, I do mean cutlists, not skiplists. |
| [18:25:12] | t4tm0h: | i really wish i knew what i was doing wrong with the game scan |
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| [18:25:52] | Mattzm: | Hello, can anyone in here help me with using Mythbox as a frontend on a separate computer to the server running the backend? |
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| [18:26:06] | wagnerrp: | mythbox? |
| [18:27:02] | Mattzm: | Yeah, the MythTV frontend for XBMC. As far as I can find, it has no IRC channel, so I was hoping someone in here might use it and have experience with it. |
| [18:27:19] | [R]: | mtyhbox is a horribl horrible hacky hack that no longer? works with myth |
| [18:27:24] | [R]: | unless they hax0red in that too... |
| [18:27:45] | wagnerrp: | mythbox itself isnt bad, the problem is the rest of xbmc |
| [18:27:52] | wagnerrp: | xbmc 'supports' myth protocol for playback |
| [18:27:54] | wagnerrp: | but not really |
| [18:28:04] | [R]: | i thought you were always talkin smack because it lied about the protocol |
| [18:28:12] | wagnerrp: | xbmc does, not mythbox |
| [18:28:18] | [R]: | oh... hrm |
| [18:28:32] | Mattzm: | Oh. It's in the new XBMC dharma repo, so i assumed it was currently supported. My bad. Essentially I want it to look at a different IP for the backend instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| [18:28:34] | wagnerrp: | mythbox actually is limited to certain ranges, and does different handling based off the version returned |
| [18:28:42] | wagnerrp: | while xbmc itself just lies |
| [18:28:55] | t4tm0h: | anyone ever tried running mythtv on top of backtrack? |
| [18:29:02] | wagnerrp: | backtrack? |
| [18:29:19] | t4tm0h: | yeah it's a pentest OS |
| [18:29:26] | t4tm0h: | based on ubuntu |
| [18:29:29] | t4tm0h: | kubuntu |
| [18:29:40] | wagnerrp: | it should work fine |
| [18:29:43] | [R]: | myth doenst care what dist its running in |
| [18:29:47] | [R]: | as long as it has the libs it needs |
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| [18:30:02] | t4tm0h: | yeah i was thinking bout making a h4x0r tv system |
| [18:30:20] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [18:30:23] | ** kormoc blinks at t4tm0h ** | |
| [18:30:48] | t4tm0h: | so i can run metasploit from my bed on the big screen... why not? |
| [18:30:49] | Shadow__X: | are you taking an axe to your tv? |
| [18:31:00] | Shadow__X: | going to Hack away at it perhaps? |
| [18:31:41] | hno: | wagnerrp: Is this correct: Edit the "Detect automatically from MPEG2" profile and select lossless. Same for MPEG4 profile. Then select "Detect automatically" as profile when transcoding? |
| [18:32:00] | wagnerrp: | there is no lossless transcode for mpeg4 or rtjpeg, just mpeg2 |
| [18:32:48] | t4tm0h: | basically, what i'd like to do is run 3 TVs that can all run different channels at once.......... what is going to be the best way to accomplish this with myth? is the server idea really not a good idea? |
| [18:33:08] | wagnerrp: | one backend, with three tuners |
| [18:33:48] | t4tm0h: | ok my question is this, how do the 3 front ends receive their input? does the backend run coaxile to the other machines? |
| [18:33:56] | t4tm0h: | or do they run ethernet? |
| [18:33:57] | wagnerrp: | ethernet |
| [18:34:15] | t4tm0h: | how many mbps does ethernet handle? |
| [18:34:28] | kormoc: | 10, 100, or 1000 |
| [18:34:31] | wagnerrp: | 10, 100, 1000, 10000... depends on your gear |
| [18:34:35] | t4tm0h: | you said the signals come in at 15 |
| [18:34:44] | t4tm0h: | a standard nic? |
| [18:34:51] | kormoc: | depends on the standard nic |
| [18:34:52] | wagnerrp: | standard nic, cat5/6 |
| [18:35:03] | kormoc: | and the hub/router/switch |
| [18:35:12] | t4tm0h: | thats what i run , standard nic cat 5... what is the likely mbps? |
| [18:35:16] | wagnerrp: | for a shared backend, gigabit is preferred |
| [18:35:23] | hno: | wagnerrp: There is a flag for that in the "Detect automatically from MPEG4" profile dialog anyway. |
| [18:35:29] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, for someone who wants to run metasploit, you don't seem to know anything at all about networking? |
| [18:35:48] | t4tm0h: | if i understood networking, i wouldnt run metasploit ;) |
| [18:35:55] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, likely mbps depends on your nics, the hubs/switches/routers |
| [18:36:02] | kormoc: | there's no single answer we can give you |
| [18:36:04] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: he is planning on hacking on a comparably low resolution tv from across the room, after all |
| [18:36:14] | kormoc: | true enough |
| [18:36:44] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, if I was you, I'd go research the tech rather then run script kiddy stuff |
| [18:37:18] | wagnerrp: | no one is going to pay to hire a penetration tester who just runs other peoples' scripts |
| [18:37:25] | t4tm0h: | ahh well ... you didn't seem to know what a standard nic runs at |
| [18:37:43] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, Jesus H Christ |
| [18:37:54] | t4tm0h: | just sayinnn dude |
| [18:37:54] | [R]: | "stadnard" what |
| [18:37:57] | wagnerrp: | thats because there are two speeds 'standard nics' come in these days |
| [18:37:59] | wagnerrp: | there is no standard |
| [18:38:03] | wagnerrp: | you have to define what nic |
| [18:38:08] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, there is no such thing as a standard nic |
| [18:38:18] | ** [R] loves hax0rs ** | |
| [18:38:24] | kormoc: | it's like talking to a wall |
| [18:38:30] | wagnerrp: | youve got 100mbit, and youve got gigabit |
| [18:38:37] | wagnerrp: | gigabit is standard these days |
| [18:38:44] | wagnerrp: | but 100mbit is frequent to come by |
| [18:38:46] | t4tm0h: | i'm sure mine is 100 |
| [18:38:47] | [R]: | i miss 10mbit bnc |
| [18:38:50] | [R]: | that was the bomb diggity |
| [18:38:52] | kormoc: | and even if your nic is gigabit, if your router/switch/hub isn't, your network will not be |
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| [18:38:57] | wagnerrp: | so we cant tell you want it is, unless you tell us what it is |
| [18:39:03] | kormoc: | your nic is NOT the only factor in your network speed |
| [18:39:17] | kormoc: | Jesus, it's not a complicated issue |
| [18:40:10] | wagnerrp: | [R]: im disappointed |
| [18:40:19] | wagnerrp: | all this talk about penetration, and not a single joke? |
| [18:40:27] | [R]: | lol |
| [18:40:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, he's still upset at my deep penetration testing of his mom last night |
| [18:40:52] | [R]: | lol |
| [18:41:06] | t4tm0h: | and... you failed the test |
| [18:41:25] | [R]: | t4tm0h: the test of if we were l33t hax0rs? |
| [18:41:26] | t4tm0h: | she wanted a gigabit connection, you were kilobit |
| [18:41:35] | kormoc: | Wow! Joke fail! |
| [18:41:45] | wagnerrp: | 1000000kbit? |
| [18:42:33] | t4tm0h: | some jokes r too easy... not many people will jump at em |
| [18:44:29] | t4tm0h: | question....... if ota streams are 15mbps, wouldnt a 100 connection be more than enough? |
| [18:45:00] | wagnerrp: | seeking uses more, multiple connections use multuples |
| [18:45:11] | kormoc: | network overhead |
| [18:45:20] | wagnerrp: | if youre running several frontends, gigabit on at least the backend is preferable |
| [18:45:40] | t4tm0h: | ahh ok, i think all my machines here are 100 |
| [18:46:15] | [R]: | if you have a gigabit backend, and a gigabit switch but 100mbit clients |
| [18:46:24] | [R]: | does the backend<->switch still run at gigabit? |
| [18:46:28] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:46:28] | t4tm0h: | but for the build i'll go gig, since the machines are all running 100, would i need to change router? |
| [18:46:30] | kormoc: | [R], yes |
| [18:46:35] | t4tm0h: | ir tuns 1000 to the router |
| [18:46:38] | t4tm0h: | runs |
| [18:46:40] | t4tm0h: | correct? |
| [18:46:44] | wagnerrp: | switch |
| [18:46:48] | wagnerrp: | switch != router |
| [18:46:50] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, depends on if your router supports gig or not |
| [18:47:13] | wagnerrp: | a switch allows communication between machines within a single subnet |
| [18:47:23] | wagnerrp: | a router allows communications between machines on different subnets |
| [18:47:27] | trumee: | is there any utility other than scantv which can scan analogue channels? |
| [18:47:36] | [R]: | kormoc: but then woudn'lt the switch get backed up with data? |
| [18:47:40] | wagnerrp: | trumee: mythtv can scan analog channels |
| [18:47:43] | trumee: | something which could be run on the console |
| [18:48:05] | trumee: | wagnerrp: other than mythtv, because it doesnt work for me. |
| [18:48:14] | wagnerrp: | [R]: no, the backend can only communicate with each frontend at 100mbps, but it can communicate with 10 of them at that speed simultaneously |
| [18:48:17] | kormoc: | [R], nah, tcp has rate limiting built in, it'll ramp up speed until it backs up and then the be will slow down and settle on a speed |
| [18:48:27] | wagnerrp: | trumee: then you need to upgrade beyond 0.22 |
| [18:48:35] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i am using 0.23 |
| [18:48:35] | [R]: | wagnerrp: ah |
| [18:48:53] | wagnerrp: | trumee: then you must be using analog capture rather than a tuner |
| [18:49:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot scan when using an external tuner |
| [18:49:25] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i am using pvr-250 cards |
| [18:49:46] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: analog scanning was re-enabled in 0.23, wasnt it? |
| [18:49:47] | trumee: | wagnerrp: and no i am not doing analogue capture |
| [18:49:54] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i can scan fine using scantv |
| [18:50:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I think so |
| [18:50:33] | trumee: | wagnerrp: but i was wondering if there is any other utility out there which can do the same job |
| [18:51:20] | t4tm0h: | I have a dish, if i got a dvb card... can myth get the FTA stations? |
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| [18:51:45] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: what size of dish |
| [18:51:56] | wagnerrp: | your average 18" mini-dish wont do any good for C-band |
| [18:52:00] | t4tm0h: | it's a directtv dish from back in the day |
| [18:52:22] | wagnerrp: | no, you need one of the big ugly 6' jobs |
| [18:52:44] | t4tm0h: | reallyyyy... there is no FTA sat i could pick up with that dish? |
| [18:52:56] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have the gain for it |
| [18:53:22] | t4tm0h: | most of the FTA channels are streamed on the internet anyway from what i've seen |
| [18:53:30] | arriflex: | bigger the better, it takes a ten footer in my neck of the woods |
| [18:53:52] | t4tm0h: | if i had a satelite that big i'd point it at more interesting things than FTA |
| [18:53:56] | wagnerrp: | most of the FTA stuff is either channels you get on local broadcast anyway, foreign stuff, or religious |
| [18:54:07] | wagnerrp: | there are a lot of religious stations on there for some reason |
| [18:54:14] | t4tm0h: | well i like god, especially foreign ones |
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| [18:56:27] | arriflex: | Anybody familiar with video stuttering on .23.1 using vdpau and hdmi audio? |
| [18:57:32] | arriflex: | I've got it happening on both a 210 and an ION |
| [18:57:55] | arriflex: | No problem when I use CPU profiles on a different frontend. |
| [18:58:13] | wagnerrp: | likely encoded in a manner VDPAU isnt happy with |
| [18:58:31] | arriflex: | No problem when I use audio other than the nvidia outputs |
| [18:59:17] | [R]: | vdpau and hdmi audio works fine on my ion |
| [18:59:22] | arriflex: | It seems to be something to do with the audio bitrate, anything over 192 kbps seems to be a problem |
| [18:59:24] | t4tm0h: | will my front end machines that run off my server need ot meet any hardware specifications or could i use some p4 celeron machine? |
| [18:59:44] | hno: | A DVB question. I have a cheap DVB-T USB stick, and obviously it supports multiple concurrent recordings of channels in the same multiplex. Is there a limit on how many concurrent channels can be received from a receiver like this? |
| [18:59:49] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: they will need enough power to decode the video |
| [18:59:56] | wagnerrp: | which means a pretty high end P4 for ATSC |
| [19:00:00] | hno: | or can I expect to be able to record every channel in the same multiplex? |
| [19:00:08] | wagnerrp: | probably 2.8GHz or better required |
| [19:00:10] | arriflex: | [R] does it work playing back anything with audio over 192 kbps? |
| [19:00:13] | [R]: | hno: i think myth has a limit of 4 or so |
| [19:00:24] | [R]: | arriflex: i duno... i play whatever the hdpvr encodes |
| [19:00:30] | wagnerrp: | hno: there is a hard set limit of 5 simultaneous recordings per multirec |
| [19:00:33] | [R]: | actually i guess its whate4ver my cable box is putting out |
| [19:00:41] | arriflex: | I think the hdpvr is mp3? |
| [19:00:45] | wagnerrp: | with a default to 2 |
| [19:00:45] | arriflex: | for audio |
| [19:00:54] | [R]: | arriflex: i've played 1.5mbps dts before... |
| [19:01:18] | arriflex: | Howabout AC3? |
| [19:01:28] | [R]: | dts is better than ac3... |
| [19:01:33] | [R]: | i dunno |
| [19:01:39] | [R]: | whatver is on dvds and my digital csable channels |
| [19:01:40] | hno: | wagnerrp: Thanks. Already found the default setting and increased it to 3 which solved my immediate needs. Just wondering where the limit is. |
| [19:01:55] | arriflex: | I know, but my CBS affiliate is running into me with AC3 at around 256kbps |
| [19:02:03] | arriflex: | It is the only station I have a probem with |
| [19:02:17] | t4tm0h: | i see some ATSC cards going for like $20 on google shopping, are these things going to do what i need em to do? |
| [19:02:20] | arriflex: | That is the only thing that differentiates those files from others that are find |
| [19:02:22] | arriflex: | fine |
| [19:02:43] | [R]: | t4tm0h: if linuxtv supports it... yes |
| [19:03:42] | t4tm0h: | where is a linuxtv db for atsc? |
| [19:03:58] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [19:03:58] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [19:04:21] | t4tm0h: | ty sir |
| [19:04:39] | t4tm0h: | !url porn |
| [19:04:39] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword porn |
| [19:05:01] | [R]: | arriflex: at what point did you ask to /msg me? |
| [19:05:13] | ** kormoc blinks at t4tm0h ** | |
| [19:05:21] | arriflex: | sorry, don't know what I'm doing with irc. |
| [19:05:39] | arriflex: | How do I do the @[R] type thing you're doing for me? |
| [19:05:48] | [R]: | arriflex: jsut type my name |
| [19:05:54] | kormoc: | type "[R], " |
| [19:06:01] | arriflex: | Got it. Thanks, [R] |
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| [19:09:27] | t4tm0h: | looks like these ATI HDTV Wonder's are inexpensive |
| [19:09:51] | arriflex: | [R]: I'll see what I can find for asound.conf on google... |
| [19:10:05] | [R]: | t4tm0h: i've got one |
| [19:10:35] | t4tm0h: | does it work fine with your mythtv? |
| [19:10:54] | [R]: | no |
| [19:10:56] | [R]: | it doenst work at all |
| [19:10:58] | [R]: | thats why i have it |
| [19:11:10] | t4tm0h: | hmmm the link says it works |
| [19:11:14] | [R]: | does it? |
| [19:11:21] | [R]: | than i guess ti works... |
| [19:11:52] | t4tm0h: | if i get one with 2 inputs...........is that the same as getting 2 cards? |
| [19:12:04] | kormoc: | depends on the card |
| [19:12:07] | [R]: | ati hdtv wonder isn't a dual tuner |
| [19:12:23] | t4tm0h: | yeah i see R |
| [19:12:51] | t4tm0h: | i was just curious, instead of wasting slots on multiple tuner cards... i'd like to get a few connections off of one if possible |
| [19:14:10] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: the most tuners you can currently get on a card is 2 |
| [19:14:20] | wagnerrp: | or you can get something like an HDHomeRun which is external |
| [19:14:23] | t4tm0h: | on the wiki it says "dual RF inputs" but in the image of the one i'm looking at, there is only one coax connection, maybe the newer versions have 2? |
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| [19:14:46] | [R]: | dual inputs != dual tuners |
| [19:14:51] | [R]: | the ati i have has 2 coax connections |
| [19:14:53] | [R]: | 1 for qam and 1 for atsc |
| [19:14:58] | wagnerrp: | i doubt that |
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| [19:15:34] | t4tm0h: | hmm what is a qam connection? what does it use |
| [19:16:21] | [R]: | qam is what digital cable uses |
| [19:16:41] | t4tm0h: | oh ok, so basically they both plug in using coaxile, it just decrypts 2 types of transmission? |
| [19:16:46] | [R]: | i really hate my hdpvr... i switch to a channel and it works for like a second or two... than freezes... than continues |
| [19:17:01] | [R]: | digital tuner cards for the us dont decrypt anyting |
| [19:17:23] | wagnerrp: | im betting one is for digital, the other for analog |
| [19:17:40] | t4tm0h: | there is only 1 coaxile connection, thats why i was wondering |
| [19:17:56] | wagnerrp: | unless theyre actually intending you to have it hooked up to both antenna and cable, with an internal switch to go between them |
| [19:17:58] | t4tm0h: | it looks like there is another type of input on there, i've just never seen it before |
| [19:18:19] | wagnerrp: | the other connector is for a breakout cable |
| [19:18:39] | t4tm0h: | oh ok ty |
| [19:19:01] | wagnerrp: | [R]: yeah, its got to be analog |
| [19:19:11] | wagnerrp: | because the VE model is missing it |
| [19:19:17] | t4tm0h: | yeah i might go with this card, because it will allow me to use cable if i decide |
| [19:19:28] | t4tm0h: | and it's inexpensive |
| [19:19:33] | kormoc: | I hate users |
| [19:19:37] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: just about any ATSC card will allow you to use cable if you decide |
| [19:19:50] | t4tm0h: | yeah i've noticed that wagner |
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| [19:20:48] | kormoc: | Anthony Rooney, you've been added to my list... |
| [19:21:14] | [R]: | kormoc: i don't think you're supposed to make the contents of your hit list public... |
| [19:21:49] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: did he actually type that into the console directly? carriage return and all? |
| [19:21:49] | kormoc: | [R], Meh, when a meteoroid hits his house then people will be impressed with my powar! |
| [19:21:51] | t4tm0h: | you in nwpt/cvg wagner? |
| [19:21:59] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [19:22:00] | wagnerrp: | fort thomas |
| [19:22:06] | t4tm0h: | Hamilton here |
| [19:22:21] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: wow. thats just... wow... |
| [19:22:39] | t4tm0h: | i use to play a lot of shows in Newport, that's why iasked |
| [19:23:00] | kormoc: | Not understanding basic unix permissions means "It is a shame such a good solution as MYTH is so undermined by such SLOPPY oversights and poor design" |
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| [19:23:23] | ** kormoc works on his RFC for DIAFoIP ** | |
| [19:24:03] | [R]: | kormoc: dare i ask? |
| [19:24:09] | wagnerrp: | die in a fire |
| [19:24:25] | [R]: | die in a fire over ip... /me ponders |
| [19:24:37] | kormoc: | "I don't understand why not, using the Linux OS they do not simply copy the UI that people are familiar with in the Windows products? It appears as if the Linux Talaban are determined that everything should be done in a terminal and they want the solution to be exclusive to a very small sub set elite who think just like them." |
| [19:24:42] | wagnerrp: | he actually ran... |
| [19:24:44] | kormoc: | Wow... just wow |
| [19:24:47] | wagnerrp: | sudo chown -R mythtv:mythtv |
| [19:24:54] | wagnerrp: | /media/Store/Recordings |
| [19:24:58] | wagnerrp: | and wondered why it did nothing |
| [19:25:23] | [R]: | wtf... |
| [19:25:29] | [R]: | no one is forcing him to use linux or myth |
| [19:26:01] | t4tm0h: | what's a good SMALL linux distro to run mythtv |
| [19:26:07] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: want to inform him the POSIX systems and Xwindows were around long before windows was a glint in gate's eye? |
| [19:26:14] | t4tm0h: | Ubuntu is nice, but a lil too builky |
| [19:26:20] | hno: | wagnerrp: The limit of 5 concurrent recordings, is that per server or per receiver? Thinking of adding a second receiver so I can receive both multiplex channels I have TV channels on, and may then need more than 5 concurrent recordings occationally. |
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| [19:26:34] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: who cares, youre planning on on having 10TB of storage |
| [19:26:43] | wagnerrp: | hno: that is per physical tuner |
| [19:26:48] | t4tm0h: | yeah but that's eventually |
| [19:26:54] | t4tm0h: | i'll prolly start off with 4 |
| [19:27:02] | wagnerrp: | a complete mythbuntu install is probably all of 4GB |
| [19:27:10] | [R]: | my root is using 6.2gb |
| [19:27:12] | wagnerrp: | thats half an hour of recording time |
| [19:27:17] | [R]: | AND that includes a full frontend filesystem also |
| [19:27:19] | wagnerrp: | ok, 45 minutes |
| [19:27:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's more efficient |
| [19:27:31] | t4tm0h: | damn... 4gb for half an hour? |
| [19:27:35] | [R]: | AND the compressed versino of my frontend filesystem |
| [19:27:43] | clever: | i think my frontend is under 512mb compressed, linux and mythtv |
| [19:27:44] | arriflex: | wagnerrp: I just did a mythbuntu FE install which was out of the box at around 2gb |
| [19:27:46] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: 19mbps, do the math |
| [19:27:50] | sphery: | after all, it's extremely inefficient to delete all links and recreate |
| [19:28:11] | t4tm0h: | can you get it to record at a lower rate? |
| [19:28:23] | wagnerrp: | no, you get the video as it is streamed by the broadcaster |
| [19:28:38] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, feel free, I'm just telling him to STFU or GTFO (only nicer) |
| [19:28:42] | t4tm0h: | how long does it store for? |
| [19:28:55] | wagnerrp: | livetv? around a day, or until you run out of room |
| [19:29:04] | wagnerrp: | recordings, until you tell it to delete them, or it runs out of room |
| [19:29:23] | t4tm0h: | i'm sure there is a way to tell myth to not record for a full day right? |
| [19:29:34] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [19:29:46] | hno: | wagnerrp: Thanks. So I should be all set then I think. Just need to fix the antenna as the second receiver I have do not have as good reception as the first and need something better than the bundled small antenna to be usable. Oddly they both are 100% identical externally, but internal chipset completely different. |
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| [19:29:54] | t4tm0h: | i mean to be honest, the only recordings i would want.........is what i program to record |
| [19:30:02] | t4tm0h: | or if i pause a show |
| [19:30:10] | wagnerrp: | all livetv sessions are recordings |
| [19:30:16] | wagnerrp: | they get recorded to disk |
| [19:30:22] | t4tm0h: | from a few seconds prior right? |
| [19:30:31] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [19:30:32] | wagnerrp: | from when you first started on that channel |
| [19:30:32] | kormoc: | wha? |
| [19:30:39] | wagnerrp: | or when the show started if you were already on that channel |
| [19:30:56] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt just start recording when you hit pause |
| [19:31:00] | wagnerrp: | its always recording, all the time |
| [19:31:08] | t4tm0h: | what is the minimum HD requirement? |
| [19:31:12] | hno: | does it split livetv recordings per the EPG, or only when you select a new program? |
| [19:31:18] | wagnerrp: | livetv is nothing more than a scheduled recording, with a bit of glue to allow control by the frontend |
| [19:31:25] | [R]: | t4tm0h: requiremnet for what |
| [19:31:30] | t4tm0h: | for mythtv |
| [19:31:33] | wagnerrp: | recording time in hours X 7GB |
| [19:31:35] | [R]: | t4tm0h: for what... |
| [19:31:41] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, whatever |
| [19:32:23] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, it depends on os disk requirements + minimim storage requirements for your longest show you're recording |
| [19:32:48] | kormoc: | if you only record 30 minute shows it's different then if you record Dos Boot – Extended Directors Cut |
| [19:33:05] | t4tm0h: | Das? |
| [19:33:16] | [R]: | isn't that movie in german? |
| [19:33:17] | t4tm0h: | is that a long movie |
| [19:33:22] | wagnerrp: | like 4 hours |
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| [19:33:44] | arriflex: | or an ATSC stream of Henry V |
| [19:33:51] | t4tm0h: | is mythtv recording every single channel? |
| [19:33:53] | kormoc: | 293 minutes for the uncut version, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082096/ |
| [19:33:56] | [R]: | t4tm0h: only when you tell it to |
| [19:34:00] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv records your livetv sessions |
| [19:34:16] | t4tm0h: | if i wanted it to record every single channel, it could? |
| [19:34:24] | wagnerrp: | sure, if you give it enough tuners |
| [19:34:32] | kormoc: | and people do |
| [19:34:33] | t4tm0h: | oh ok, that clears that up! |
| [19:34:36] | arriflex: | My biggest recordings are sporting events like golf or tennis in HD for six or eight hours. |
| [19:34:41] | wagnerrp: | although that would cause all sorts of problems with the scheduler, it is not designed to do so |
| [19:34:42] | [R]: | golf |
| [19:34:44] | [R]: | awesome! |
| [19:34:46] | t4tm0h: | that's about all i'd ever record Arriflex |
| [19:34:48] | t4tm0h: | football |
| [19:34:56] | t4tm0h: | and once in a while a tv show |
| [19:34:58] | hno: | wagnerrp: What kind of problems? |
| [19:35:00] | t4tm0h: | maybe one a week |
| [19:35:18] | kormoc: | hno, it takes forever to schedule and we reschedule a lot |
| [19:35:20] | wagnerrp: | hno: the scheduler is designed to record individual shows |
| [19:35:33] | wagnerrp: | tell it to record /every/ individual show is horribly inefficient |
| [19:36:00] | arriflex: | you'd need lots of storage! |
| [19:36:06] | [R]: | does the scheduling time grow exponentnially? |
| [19:36:10] | arriflex: | to record /every/ show |
| [19:36:12] | [R]: | arriflex: that's what she said |
| [19:36:17] | hno: | storage is no big problem. |
| [19:36:39] | wagnerrp: | [R]: recording count is linear, tuner count is not |
| [19:36:58] | kormoc: | [R], it extremely depends on your database tuning as well |
| [19:37:02] | t4tm0h: | here is the thing, i wouldnt want mythTV to fill up all my storage full of live tv recordings of shows from the day that i don't care about... does it only record as you watch it? |
| [19:37:18] | [R]: | t4tm0h: myth doesnt randomly record things |
| [19:37:24] | [R]: | [12:33:56] [R] t4tm0h: only when you tell it to |
| [19:37:25] | kormoc: | [R], for me, scheduler time went up not much at all when I added 2/10 tuners, but my db is tuned extremely well |
| [19:37:30] | hno: | t4tm0h: It automatically erases livetv recordings pretty quick. |
| [19:37:32] | t4tm0h: | well it's recording as you watch it correct? |
| [19:37:36] | arriflex: | t4tm0h: It will prioritize scheduled recordings |
| [19:37:44] | [R]: | t4tm0h: yes... because you told it that is what yo uare watching |
| [19:37:48] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, yes, as you watch it, they'll record |
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| [19:38:02] | t4tm0h: | how long does what i watch stay on the HD? |
| [19:38:14] | t4tm0h: | do i have to manually delete live TV recordings? |
| [19:38:14] | [R]: | t4tm0h: a day or if you need more space |
| [19:38:26] | [R]: | of course not |
| [19:38:28] | [R]: | thatd be stupid |
| [19:38:48] | [R]: | unless you specifically say no expire to recrodings (which yo ucan't do on livetv)... myth always deletes if it needs to |
| [19:39:00] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, you tell myth 'I want to keep a minimum of x space free' and when it drops to that, it'll expire recordings to keep that space free. Livetv is the first to expire |
| [19:39:01] | t4tm0h: | can you say "expire every hour"? |
| [19:39:08] | hno: | you only need to delete them if you don't want others using your mythtv to see what you watched |
| [19:39:10] | [R]: | t4tm0h: the point of that woudl bge? |
| [19:39:31] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, the expire thread runs every 15 minutes and on-demand |
| [19:39:46] | kormoc: | hno, t4tm0h watches Opera and doesn't want anyone to know! |
| [19:39:51] | arriflex: | I honestly can't remember the last time I deleted a recording |
| [19:40:14] | arriflex: | expire works great! |
| [19:40:16] | hno: | I sometime delete failed recordings. |
| [19:40:22] | t4tm0h: | no i mean, there is no reason to store 300gbs of stuff that you don't want to keep right? |
| [19:40:26] | t4tm0h: | that's what i'm saying |
| [19:40:36] | [R]: | t4tm0h: if you need the space, myth will expire it |
| [19:40:41] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, 300 gb is a lot of tv to watch in a day |
| [19:40:43] | [R]: | t4tm0h: if you dont need th sapce... it'll expire the next day |
| [19:40:55] | [R]: | kormoc: THAT'S what she saaid |
| [19:41:05] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, it sounds like you just don't want live tv to record to the drive and that means not using myth |
| [19:41:15] | [R]: | that's only 2 channels for 24 hours... |
| [19:41:45] | t4tm0h: | kormoc, i'd like the option of pausing a show and watching it later though |
| [19:41:48] | kormoc: | [R], assuming full bitrate the entire time |
| [19:41:52] | [R]: | kormoc: well yeha |
| [19:41:56] | t4tm0h: | and being able to rewind |
| [19:41:56] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, that means it goes to the disk |
| [19:42:01] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, what's your real issue? |
| [19:42:15] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, you don't want data hanging around but you want it to hang around... which is it? |
| [19:42:38] | t4tm0h: | my real issue is, i don't want a whole day's worth of TV being stored on an HD lol |
| [19:42:44] | [R]: | t4tm0h: because... |
| [19:42:51] | t4tm0h: | because i don't need it |
| [19:43:03] | [R]: | t4tm0h: thats why myth auto expires it |
| [19:43:17] | t4tm0h: | i could change the expiration right? |
| [19:43:23] | [R]: | i think its in days |
| [19:43:23] | t4tm0h: | to like 3 hours or so? |
| [19:43:28] | hno: | t4tm0h: There isn't really any functional differences between "trashcan emptied daily or when full" or "trashcan emptied every hour". |
| [19:43:51] | [R]: | t4tm0h: you still havent explained why it matters |
| [19:43:52] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, and so if you pause a show for 3 hours (or it's a football game that is longer then 3 hours) you'd want it to be gone when you go to play it? |
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| [19:45:04] | t4tm0h: | i guess you all don't get my point |
| [19:45:08] | arriflex: | Just schedule the stuff you want to keep, watch what you happen to watch. |
| [19:45:11] | [R]: | t4tm0h: there is no point... |
| [19:45:12] | wagnerrp: | no, we really dont |
| [19:45:38] | FabriceMG: | Mythtranscode: |
| [19:45:40] | wagnerrp: | they stay around for 24 hours, that means around 100GB per tuner maximum |
| [19:45:55] | FabriceMG: | 2011-01–29 20:28:37.466 Honoring the cutlist while transcoding |
| [19:45:55] | FabriceMG: | 2011-01–29 20:28:37.469 Cutlist : 12363,27363- |
| [19:45:55] | FabriceMG: | 2011-01–29 20:28:37.469 Original Length: 164736 frames |
| [19:45:55] | FabriceMG: | 2011-01–29 20:28:37.469 New Length : 152373 frames |
| [19:45:59] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about starting with 4TB of storage |
| [19:46:06] | kormoc: | FabriceMG, pastebin please |
| [19:46:23] | t4tm0h: | well, i'll fill up 4 TBs full of movies pretty quickly dude |
| [19:46:42] | [R]: | t4tm0h: and if you need the space, myth will expire livetv |
| [19:46:47] | hno: | t4tm0h: Then your livetv recordings will start to expire very quickly. |
| [19:47:02] | t4tm0h: | i'm a fan of space, i like my space ... its mine, and i want to keep it |
| [19:47:23] | hno: | t4tm0h: And you get to keep it. myth just borrows it a little. |
| [19:47:25] | kormoc: | space is just unused potential |
| [19:47:34] | [R]: | if you ahve empty space |
| [19:47:36] | [R]: | thats wasted space |
| [19:47:38] | FabriceMG: | kormoc, error in fomula , the new length is 15000 frames, not original – 15000 |
| [19:47:39] | [R]: | just like unused ram is wasted ram |
| [19:47:59] | kormoc: | FabriceMG, okay, and you filed a ticket so someone can fix it? |
| [19:48:14] | wagnerrp: | DVDs average around 7GB, HDDVDs 18GB, and bluray 30GB |
| [19:48:21] | wagnerrp: | 4TB of storage is still going to go a long way |
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| [19:48:41] | t4tm0h: | damn........ bluray is 30gb?????????? |
| [19:48:55] | [R]: | that's what swhe said |
| [19:48:55] | wagnerrp: | the main movie is generally 25–30 |
| [19:49:00] | wagnerrp: | not including all the bonus content |
| [19:49:01] | t4tm0h: | lol R |
| [19:49:08] | hno: | wagnerrp: Filled 1TB in some weeks here. |
| [19:49:11] | [R]: | "bonus content" |
| [19:49:14] | [R]: | *wink* |
| [19:49:22] | t4tm0h: | what is the difference between blueray and HD? |
| [19:49:34] | hno: | t4tm0h: Competing standars. |
| [19:49:37] | t4tm0h: | I don't even have a console blueray player |
| [19:49:39] | wagnerrp: | one is a format, the other is a marketing term |
| [19:49:40] | hno: | standards. |
| [19:49:46] | FabriceMG: | kormoc, I going to write a ticket of 0.24 fixe |
| [19:49:50] | [R]: | "blueray" is nothing... |
| [19:50:08] | t4tm0h: | damn............ competing standards? one takes 2 times as much space.....my space |
| [19:50:13] | kormoc: | what is the difference between apples and oranges |
| [19:50:25] | [R]: | t4tm0h: what ARE you talking about? |
| [19:50:28] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, you swear a lot and it is against channel rules, FYI |
| [19:50:45] | t4tm0h: | my bad..........i do swear a lot |
| [19:51:06] | hno: | t4tm0h: both are generally copy protected so you won't store them in myth anyway. |
| [19:51:24] | wagnerrp: | competing standards? what standards? |
| [19:51:24] | t4tm0h: | you can't break em? |
| [19:51:28] | kormoc: | hno, HD != HD-DVD |
| [19:51:31] | wagnerrp: | 'HD' is just a marketing term, not a standard |
| [19:52:11] | ** hno assumes t4tm0h meant HDDVD, and is pretty sure about it. ** | |
| [19:52:34] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, Did you? |
| [19:52:37] | wagnerrp: | HDDVD is a 2-layer, 15GB/layer disk |
| [19:52:39] | t4tm0h: | obviously |
| [19:52:44] | wagnerrp: | bluray is a 2-layer, 25GB/layer disk |
| [19:52:44] | FabriceMG: | question, It's possible to change language in mythtranscode? example: backend is FR but I want EN for transcoding |
| [19:52:52] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, say what you mean! ;) |
| [19:52:59] | [R]: | mean what you say! |
| [19:53:07] | t4tm0h: | is there any noticable difference in quality? |
| [19:53:21] | t4tm0h: | blu vs hd |
| [19:53:24] | t4tm0h: | sorryyyyyyyyy |
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| [19:53:34] | [R]: | t4tm0h: depends on the bitrate |
| [19:53:35] | t4tm0h: | blue ray vs HDDVD |
| [19:53:37] | sailerboy: | sup |
| [19:53:42] | sailerboy: | i have a couple questions |
| [19:53:48] | [R]: | you can have a high bitrate hddvd and a low bitrate bluray |
| [19:53:55] | wagnerrp: | there are going to be good and bad transfers for each |
| [19:54:04] | t4tm0h: | i mean here is the thing......... i have an HD quality (or it looks HD to me) football game that is like 3 gbs |
| [19:54:04] | wagnerrp: | the bigger issue is that they no longer make HDDVDs |
| [19:54:06] | sailerboy: | first, is there anyone that uses verizon fios? |
| [19:54:14] | sailerboy: | and is there any way i can mantain duel tuners? |
| [19:54:16] | wagnerrp: | and there are only about 50 or so movies you might want to buy on that format |
| [19:54:26] | [R]: | t4tm0h: tv has nothing to do with hddvd |
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| [19:54:31] | sailerboy: | second, is there a windows frontend? |
| [19:54:32] | kormoc: | sailerboy, with FIOS? Get two boxes and two HDPVRs |
| [19:54:39] | wagnerrp: | sailerboy: verizon FIOS functions like any other digital cable provider |
| [19:54:54] | t4tm0h: | well im speaking about HD recordings in general R |
| [19:54:54] | sailerboy: | do i need the cable box? |
| [19:55:05] | sailerboy: | i'm assuming yes |
| [19:55:07] | kormoc: | sailerboy, with FIOS, yes |
| [19:55:22] | sailerboy: | ok, so |
| [19:55:25] | sailerboy: | assuming i have the cable box |
| [19:55:27] | hno: | t4tm0h: HD in general is just a marketing term for "a resolution bigger than standard definition TV" |
| [19:55:31] | sailerboy: | and it has duel tuners |
| [19:55:38] | ** wagnerrp doesnt know what '3 gbs' would even look like ** | |
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| [19:55:51] | sailerboy: | i read somewhere you could control the cable box via firewire |
| [19:56:03] | wagnerrp: | technically, the SDI backbones broadcasters use run at that bitrate |
| [19:56:11] | t4tm0h: | if i record a football game (i assume that mythtv excludes commercials in recording?)... how many GBs is it? |
| [19:56:11] | wagnerrp: | 1920x1080x60x24 |
| [19:56:12] | sailerboy: | so could i use the cable box to stream all the data over to mythtv |
| [19:56:12] | kormoc: | sailerboy, if you're talking about the FIOS dual tuner DVR, only the first tuner is usable with a HDPVR |
| [19:56:33] | wagnerrp: | t4tm0h: youre probably looking at 20–25GB |
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| [19:56:35] | sailerboy: | so basically, i'm screwed? |
| [19:56:37] | kormoc: | sailerboy, you can use firewire to control the box yes but it will only give you very few of the channels if you try to use firewire to record from your box |
| [19:56:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not exclude commercials while recording |
| [19:56:48] | t4tm0h: | oh ok ty wag |
| [19:56:55] | wagnerrp: | it flags commercials, which can later be confirmed, and clipped out |
| [19:56:56] | sailerboy: | there's no way i can use two tuners? |
| [19:56:57] | kormoc: | sailerboy, or you return it and get two standard boxes |
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| [19:57:08] | sailerboy: | i sorta need hd tv |
| [19:57:27] | t4tm0h: | is there any converter on mythtv to shrink the size for storage? |
| [19:57:28] | kormoc: | sailerboy, you can get HD tv via their standard single tuner HD cable box |
| [19:57:28] | wagnerrp: | sailerboy: mythtv can only tune and record those channels that verizon broadcasts unencrypted |
| [19:57:39] | wagnerrp: | anything else, and you will have to rent a cable box, and do analog capture |
| [19:57:44] | sphery: | t4tm0h: not worth it--when you can buy 2TB HDDs for $69.99 |
| [19:57:49] | sailerboy: | that would take up a crapload of space though |
| [19:57:59] | sailerboy: | the tv area is already packed |
| [19:58:01] | sailerboy: | :( |
| [19:58:03] | sphery: | 2TB = ~ 285hrs of HDTV |
| [19:58:04] | wagnerrp: | sailerboy: HD video does take up a crapload of space |
| [19:58:10] | sailerboy: | physical space |
| [19:58:22] | sphery: | put the HDDs in some other room |
| [19:58:22] | wagnerrp: | so stick it all in a closet, or basement |
| [19:58:24] | kormoc: | sailerboy, with myth you can put a backend with the boxes and HDPVR in the basement, closet, etc and have a slim frontend next to the tv |
| [19:58:36] | sphery: | or, as I do, put the whole MythTV system in some other room |
| [19:58:37] | sailerboy: | hmm |
| [19:58:38] | sailerboy: | maybe |
| [19:58:42] | sailerboy: | that may work |
| [19:58:55] | sailerboy: | i don't really have any computers to use as a frontend though |
| [19:58:58] | sphery: | all you need it to pipe audio/video/remote sensor to your viewing room |
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| [19:59:13] | sailerboy: | idk |
| [19:59:14] | kormoc: | sailerboy, or if your house is setup, aye, sphery's solution works great too |
| [19:59:18] | sphery: | I just ran a speaker and video cables through the wall |
| [19:59:19] | t4tm0h: | maybe my eyesite sucks but i doubt i'm going to see a whole lotta difference between a 25gb recording and a 5 gb recording lol |
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| [19:59:27] | sailerboy: | maybe i can live without live tv |
| [19:59:34] | sailerboy: | and just use the shitty verizon dvr to record livetv |
| [19:59:36] | sailerboy: | and playback |
| [19:59:40] | [R]: | t4tm0h: than just record sd |
| [19:59:44] | sphery: | can also go around walls (at baseboard or in conduits) |
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| [20:00:04] | t4tm0h: | SD? |
| [20:00:12] | t4tm0h: | SD is an acronym for wha? |
| [20:00:16] | sailerboy: | standard def |
| [20:00:22] | t4tm0h: | oh ok |
| [20:00:33] | t4tm0h: | mythtv gives you the option to record SD? |
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| [20:00:50] | [R]: | t4tm0h: recrod from a stadnard definition source |
| [20:00:53] | kormoc: | if your tuner card and signal is SD, it'll record it as SD |
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| [20:00:59] | sphery: | t4tm0h: that said, once you record shows, you can transcode them. IMHO, transcoding HDTV is a waste of power, though |
| [20:01:10] | [R]: | guys gonna have 4tb of space |
| [20:01:17] | [R]: | and hes worried about recrodigns taking up too much space |
| [20:01:21] | ** [R] just shakes his head ** | |
| [20:02:04] | t4tm0h: | right, while you have 285 hours of footage on your 2tb.........i'll have a few thousand of basically equal quality lol |
| [20:02:12] | sphery: | and even transcoding SDTV is not worthwhile (though it's less processor intensive, there's less to gain since it's usually lower bitrate in the first place, and you'd have to transcode significantly more SDTV than HDTV to get equivalent storage savings, so...) |
| [20:02:35] | wagnerrp: | s/basically equal/much lesser |
| [20:02:36] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, it's certainly not equal quality |
| [20:02:42] | sphery: | 4TB = 571 hours or so |
| [20:02:48] | [R]: | 391 programs, using 1.3 TB (10 days 3 hrs 25 mins) out of 2.4 TB (476 GB free). |
| [20:02:51] | sphery: | assuming ATSC-like bitrates |
| [20:03:40] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, http://www.northernlightsvideo.com/photos/HD_ . . . edited-1.jpg http://www.superchannel.ca/templates/images/hd101_compare.jpg |
| [20:03:56] | sphery: | 1237 programs, using 5.2 TB (1 month 19 days 6 hrs 28 mins) out of 7.6 TB (2.4 TB free). |
| [20:04:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | SD broadcasts can be remarkably wasteful in terms of the amount of space they take up in an ATSC stream. |
| [20:04:14] | sphery: | after removing a couple of disks due to failure |
| [20:04:24] | kormoc: | 177 programs, using 555 GB (7 days 10 hrs 36 mins) out of 931 GB (332 GB free). |
| [20:04:41] | ** kormoc hangs his head in shame ** | |
| [20:04:49] | t4tm0h: | how much does an SD movie take up? |
| [20:04:54] | kormoc: | depends |
| [20:05:01] | [R]: | t4tm0h: depends on the bitrate, the codec, etc |
| [20:05:02] | wagnerrp: | usually 2–3GB |
| [20:05:08] | sphery: | t4tm0h: so when your 2TB HDD with a few thousand recordings of "basically equal quality" fails, you'll lose a few thousand recordings |
| [20:05:24] | sphery: | t4tm0h: I lost 274 recordings when my 1.5TB failed |
| [20:05:34] | t4tm0h: | alright kormac, talk about a marketing ploy, that hd101compare pic is what you call Marketing |
| [20:05:36] | wagnerrp: | last time i recorded anything on my SD subchannels, it was 1–1.5GB/hr |
| [20:05:37] | sphery: | I'm glad it wasn't my only HDD or I'd have lost everything |
| [20:05:54] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, no, it's not |
| [20:06:05] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, SD has a reduced color space |
| [20:06:07] | t4tm0h: | that first link..........believable..........2nd link.........pure marketing |
| [20:06:32] | kormoc: | but hey, don't let reality stand in the way of your world view |
| [20:06:50] | [R]: | i love that thign they used to have at bestbuy |
| [20:06:57] | [R]: | where it was a movie in sd and hd at the same time |
| [20:07:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, well most of the displays at best buy arent set up properly anyway |
| [20:07:57] | sphery: | kormoc: but if you get a Sharp Quattron, you'll still have a yellow fish in SDTV, right? |
| [20:08:12] | kormoc: | sphery, oh, for sure! Sulu wouldn't lie to me! |
| [20:08:24] | sphery: | yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| [20:09:15] | sphery: | I bought my TV before the Quattron was available, so I upgraded it to Quattron-like color. I got a flashlight, put yellow cellophane over the front of it, and aim it at the screen. |
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| [20:09:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can always make up your own mind by getting the DVD and BD of the same movie and doing a direct comparison with your own setup. |
| [20:09:41] | sphery: | and, when there's nothing on screen I want to be more yellow, I can just aim it behind the screen and I have ambilight |
| [20:09:54] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, DVD's are much higher quality then SD tv signals |
| [20:10:00] | kormoc: | sphery, ooh! Good idea! |
| [20:10:03] | sphery: | yes, DVD is /much/ higher quality |
| [20:10:24] | [R]: | dvd is progressive |
| [20:10:25] | qwerty_: | I do a channel scan and it finds nothing. It shows 0 percent signal strength hauppauge 2250. Anyone have any ideas? |
| [20:10:32] | sphery: | to the point that, IMHO, the step from NTSC to DVD is *huge* and the step from DVD to HDTV is much smaller |
| [20:10:34] | [R]: | qwerty_: plug in the cable? |
| [20:10:44] | qwerty_: | [R]: plugged in. |
| [20:11:09] | wagnerrp: | qwerty_: you have it set up as a DVB tuner? |
| [20:11:24] | qwerty_: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [20:11:37] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, you defined it as a DVB DTV tuner? |
| [20:12:35] | qwerty_: | wagnerrp: are you talking about capture card setup? If so ivtv mpeg-2 encoder card /dev/video0 |
| [20:12:45] | wagnerrp: | why are you scanning analog? |
| [20:13:04] | kormoc: | Ahh, no wonder it's cold in here, wasn't commflagging |
| [20:13:06] | wagnerrp: | pull a lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [20:13:26] | qwerty_: | What should I have it set to? Schedules direct isn't downloading anything, working with them right now to get that fixed. |
| [20:15:58] | kormoc: | t4tm0h, here's another good exmaple of HD vs SD, http://www.popcornhour.ro/img/HDTV_vs_SDTV.jpg |
| [20:16:21] | qwerty_: | wagnerrp: why did you ask why I am scanning analog? |
| [20:16:22] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [20:16:32] | kormoc: | qwerty_, cause you shoudln't be |
| [20:16:49] | qwerty_: | kormoc: is /dev/video0 wrong? |
| [20:16:59] | wagnerrp: | that is correct for analog |
| [20:17:07] | wagnerrp: | but you shouldnt be scanning analog |
| [20:17:10] | qwerty_: | What should it be for digital? |
| [20:17:23] | wagnerrp: | you arent doing digital, youre using it as an MPEG encoder |
| [20:17:40] | qwerty_: | Is the card type set wrong? |
| [20:17:50] | wagnerrp: | not if youre trying to do analog |
| [20:18:05] | qwerty_: | What should it be for digital? |
| [20:18:23] | wagnerrp: | DVB DTV adapter, and /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [20:20:13] | kormoc: | qwerty_, for SD tv, you should wait for Schedules Direct to fix your issue and use the lineup information from them and not scan |
| [20:20:59] | wagnerrp: | scanning for analog now is just going to cause a big headache when trying to pull guide data later |
| [20:21:13] | qwerty_: | Ok I have it changed. |
| [20:21:36] | qwerty_: | Is lots of 401 unauthorized followed by a 200 ok in schedules direct normal? Their faq says it is. |
| [20:21:46] | kormoc: | yes, it is |
| [20:22:03] | qwerty_: | What file is it writing to? |
| [20:22:31] | kormoc: | somewhere in /tmp |
| [20:24:19] | sphery: | someone just reported a bug I fixed in trunk 4 days ago |
| [20:25:55] | stuartm: | sphery: someone always reports a bug that was just fixed |
| [20:26:56] | stuartm: | I've seen tickets opened for 2 year old bugs just one day after I commit a fix |
| [20:29:16] | qwerty_: | Progress, it trys to watch tv before failing. |
| [20:30:08] | qwerty_: | Does mythfilldatabase download lots of small files? |
| [20:30:51] | sphery: | heh, turns out it's just almost fixed |
| [20:31:03] | sphery: | just need one more line to finish the fix |
| [20:31:43] | kormoc: | qwerty_, if by lots you mean 14, then yes |
| [20:31:50] | sphery: | stuartm: heh, yeah. always strange how the timing can work out |
| [20:31:57] | kormoc: | (for the first run, 3 for additional runs) |
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| [20:33:23] | sphery: | stuartm: I won't be able to backport https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/32839 . . . 591e1cacc4b/ to -fixes, right? Since it requires changes to programinfo.h... |
| [20:34:44] | sphery: | should probably have been a binary version change, but I left it off that one (but we had several right after) |
| [20:43:40] | qwerty_: | What files would I check for permission problems with mythfilldatabase? |
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| [20:47:02] | t4tm0h: | i just wanted you all to know that space is very important |
| [20:47:40] | t4tm0h: | check your HD space daily, i have mine forwarded to my android.. hourly |
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| [20:58:02] | tgm4883: | wow |
| [20:58:13] | tgm4883: | I just read all the backlog from t4tm0h |
| [20:58:16] | tgm4883: | just.... wow |
| [21:00:49] | kormoc: | He's so l33t! We should strive to be more like him! Hourly free space warnings? So useful for when your drives run off and live out on the streets! |
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| [21:01:12] | tgm4883: | kormoc, yea, it made my laugh quite a bit |
| [21:01:23] | tgm4883: | guy is a little paranoid |
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| [21:01:44] | [R]: | what is wrong with ABC family |
| [21:01:56] | [R]: | this movei is got borders on top and bottom |
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| [21:03:00] | [R]: | oh no |
| [21:03:01] | [R]: | now its fine |
| [21:03:03] | [R]: | its just the credits |
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| [21:09:56] | trumee: | i have two tuners, is there any place i can specify the recordings to be done using tuner 1? |
| [21:10:33] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can define a preferred input |
| [21:10:52] | trumee: | wagnerrp: in the backend or the front end? |
| [21:11:05] | wagnerrp: | per recording rule |
| [21:12:20] | iamlindoro: | though that is no guarantee |
| [21:12:33] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ah i see a preferred input in mythweb. thank you |
| [21:12:48] | wagnerrp: | it will prefer that input if its available |
| [21:12:52] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, it will use something else |
| [21:13:30] | trumee: | right, |
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| [21:23:11] | qwerty_: | What would cause this error? DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: SetChannelByString(2.1): Failed to initialize multiplex options |
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| [21:38:43] | hashbang: | evening all |
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| [21:42:04] | hno: | good evening hashbang |
| [21:42:36] | hashbang: | hno: how goes it? |
| [21:44:46] | hno: | Is there some way to set perferred tuner? When doing multiple recordings from the same tuner it shows up as multiple inputs. In my case I will have two tuners and would prefer them to stay tuned to a specific multiplex channel each, and only retune if the other tuner fails. |
| [21:46:21] | wagnerrp: | do you actually have an instance where you failed a recording because both tuners were set to the same mux? |
| [21:48:00] | hno: | Well, I have not cabled things up properly yet, so reception is not equal on the two. |
| [21:48:22] | hashbang: | hno: the lowest numbered tuner is reputedly preferred |
| [21:49:19] | ** hashbang is hacking the detect-silence.sh script into something that's workable for commflagging UK TV ** | |
| [21:50:31] | wagnerrp: | script? |
| [21:51:14] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silence-detect.sh is what I'm starting from |
| [21:51:28] | wagnerrp: | scripts are dirty, why not make it a proper commflagging method |
| [21:51:56] | wagnerrp: | wow, that script is surprisingly small |
| [21:52:28] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: at the moment, I've got it rigged up so that it wraps mythcommflag for manually-triggered 'Begin Commercial Detection' jobs |
| [21:52:31] | hno: | which would be good if it reception where equal on the two. Have two multiplex channels I want to receive. Both can receive both channels, but current antennas conditions makes that it's easier to adjust for the better reception of one of the channels per tuner, and reception may be worse if it tunes to the other channel. |
| [21:52:40] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: yup, impressive, innit? |
| [21:52:47] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: (I didn't write the original!) |
| [21:53:11] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: it doesn't seem to work on all channels, but it does work well for the ones the author lists |
| [21:53:44] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: goes to show the strength of UNIX's "do one thing and do it well" philosophy |
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| [21:53:59] | wagnerrp: | well not really |
| [21:54:18] | wagnerrp: | theyre using mp3splt for a wholly different purpose than it was designed |
| [21:54:23] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: exactly. |
| [21:54:40] | qwerty_: | Should I have a file named something.xmltv somewhere on my hard drive? |
| [21:54:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning mp3splt isnt doing its job well at all |
| [21:54:44] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: because it does its job well, it can be repurposed in this way. |
| [21:54:48] | wagnerrp: | its doing something completely different |
| [21:55:25] | wagnerrp: | besides, it probably wouldnt be very hard at all to add in some routine into the commflagger to detect volume levels |
| [21:55:38] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: but it does a good job of logging what it does, in a regular way which can be easily parsed. |
| [21:57:03] | hashbang: | qwerty_: yup. IIRC, mythtv-setup will walk you through creating it when you create a "video source" (listings source, really, sorta) |
| [21:57:53] | wagnerrp: | qwerty_: no, mythfilldatabase does not use xmltv grabbers for schedules direct |
| [21:58:50] | qwerty_: | I'm still getting 0% strength. Antenna is plugged in. |
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| [21:59:37] | ** hashbang didn't realise qwerty_ was using Schedules Direct ** | |
| [22:07:07] | sphery: | qwerty_: ttbomk, the strength reading is mostly meaningless since it's not standard across hardware/drivers |
| [22:07:40] | sphery: | I do recommend attempting to tune outside mythtv with azap, then capture and see if your hardware/drivers are set up properly |
| [22:07:48] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: arent you an Amazon Prime user? |
| [22:08:04] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:08:14] | sphery: | he's USDA certified |
| [22:08:15] | wagnerrp: | http://gizmodo.com/5746738 |
| [22:09:34] | sphery: | and if they only supported GNU/Linux, it would be awesome |
| [22:09:41] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [22:10:09] | Beirdo: | I think that's a "when you buy the DVD you get streaming free" thing |
| [22:10:24] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [22:10:46] | Beirdo: | it doesn't show that option here |
| [22:11:02] | Beirdo: | great books, I wonder how much they messed em up for the movies |
| [22:13:02] | Beirdo: | just pre-ordered the 3-movie BluRay set |
| [22:13:38] | wagnerrp: | i love the people commenting on how 480p sucks, but the 3mbps 720p netflix spread is so much better |
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| [22:15:01] | Beirdo: | people are stupid |
| [22:15:02] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [22:18:13] | wagnerrp: | well people are starting to read that Getting Started page, so i moved it |
| [22:18:35] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how long it takes before i start to hear complaining from nhtrader |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:19:41] | wagnerrp: | 165 reads even... got a fair bit of traffic these past few days |
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| [22:21:34] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [22:21:45] | Beirdo: | forgot to put the scheduler in the array |
| [22:23:23] | wagnerrp: | cycling images... odds on a clean update this go around? |
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| [22:25:09] | wagnerrp: | i really wish this iscsi target would let me change out shares without restarting the server |
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| [22:27:17] | Beirdo: | OK, that time it actually started the doxygen buildslave |
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| [22:37:34] | chelz: | wagnerrp: are you around and have a minute? |
| [22:38:06] | wagnerrp: | just ask your question, someone will get to it eventually |
| [22:39:19] | chelz: | wagnerrp: well i saw you basically made and have the only edits on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Analog_Hardware_Encoder_Cards (thanks a *ton* for the page btw) and i was wondering if you based the info in it on personal tests or what, like how sure should i be when that says a card supports CC for it to actually support CC? |
| [22:39:51] | wagnerrp: | no, i based the info on it from a bunch of separate pages that used to exist on the wiki |
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| [22:40:19] | wagnerrp: | if you look at most of the links on those cards, they are almost all external links to the linuxtv wiki |
| [22:40:32] | wagnerrp: | every single one of those cards used to have a page on the mythtv wiki |
| [22:40:50] | wagnerrp: | only mythtv does not maintain the drivers for those cards, or support them directly in any way |
| [22:41:13] | chelz: | so the driver pages are the best places to check to make sure about CC support? |
| [22:41:27] | wagnerrp: | so i condensed it all down to a couple pages, deleted the pages with matching entries on the linuxtv wiki, and locked those handful of pages that didnt have a match |
| [22:41:42] | wagnerrp: | honestly, ive never used closed caption with mythtv |
| [22:42:20] | wagnerrp: | best option would probably be to ask in #linuxtv, or the linuxtv mailing lists |
| [22:42:31] | wagnerrp: | if you cant find the information on their wiki |
| [22:43:15] | wagnerrp: | all of the IVTV cards should support closed caption |
| [22:43:27] | chelz: | finding them for sale is the tricky part |
| [22:43:34] | wagnerrp: | but i only know that because i remember seeing stuff where it would be broken, and then fixed and then broken and fixed again.... |
| [22:43:41] | chelz: | hah |
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