Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, January 28th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

mythtv, the HTPC software of choice for mcmurdo station

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sphery:

kormoc: heh, yeah

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sphery:

I wonder if the "greener for the world, I'm just paying a little bit to do my part" argument will come up

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sphery:

(the one that completely ignores the manufacture and distribution of the SSD)

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nutron:

Godwins Law will take effect.

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sphery:

and all the materials required to produce it

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sphery:

likely, yeah

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iamlindoro:

You know who else was always quoting laws

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iamlindoro:

Hitler

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nutron:

Wasn't he a ...

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kormoc:

witch?

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iamlindoro:

bed wetter?

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sphery:

and what else floats in watter?

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nutron:

sissy?

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kormoc:

Ducks!

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JEDIDIAH__:

he was in league with the Red Squirrel.

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nutron:

In my pants.

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** nutron kills another convo **

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kormoc:

MMMMMMMMMMOOOONSTER KILL

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nutron:

heh

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wagnerrp:

so apparently a couple days ago, some chinese tv channel posted video of air force trials

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wagnerrp:

J-10 aircraft shooting down drones

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wagnerrp:

turns out those drones were actually F-5s

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wagnerrp:

and the footage... Top Gun

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iamlindoro:

My Top Gun Blu-ray is one of my test discs in working on Myth's support... and so I've learned (multiple times now) that In the entire movie, they were only allowed to fire one missile, so every single time a missile is fired, it's the same exact footage, recut, cropped, and flipped to make it appear different

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kormoc:

ha

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nutron:

One day I'll remap my keybindings to allow me to jump to a channel. ctrl-n * 20 or so sucks

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sphery:

I like it when you're watching a nice HDTV show (or even DVD-quality) and they need footage of something like that, so they use stock footage--that's typically SDTV, low quality (usually NTSC or something), and very different color/style from the rest of the show.

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nutron:

Did anyone ever notice that The Golden Child was a terrible movie? I just realized that the other day, why I loved it when I was a kid... I don't know.

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wagnerrp:

and pillarboxed

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sphery:

and sometimes they don't properly deint before scaling or resampling

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nutron:

That and MacGyver

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sphery:

wait, I liked the Golden Child when I was a kid

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iamlindoro:

I STILL love Golden Child

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nutron:

So did I, I just don't get why I liked it.

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iamlindoro:

That movie is awesome

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sphery:

Seems I shouldn't ever watch it again if I don't want to find the truth

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sphery:

My favorite was Betty White...

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iamlindoro:

hot asian chick, Sardo Numspar, Eddie Murphy...

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sphery:

oh, wait, maybe that was different

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iamlindoro:

What's not to love!

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nutron:

or... Big Trouble in Little China

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sphery:

that's still good

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sphery:

a classic

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iamlindoro:

also awesome and still awesome

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nutron:

Aye, classic, but I find that I nitpick them now... wtf is wrong with me?

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sphery:

and Buckaroo Bonzai

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nutron:

Oh I know... I got married and I'm bitter.

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sphery:

heh, maybe that's the difference

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wagnerrp:

big bootay... tay... TAY!

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JEDIDIAH__:

you would think they would take some gunnery range footage or somesuch and let them use that. guess not.

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JEDIDIAH__:

these days it would be all CGI

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nutron:

Never got a chance to see Buckaroo Bonzai

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nutron:

Did I miss anything?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you missed everything

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iamlindoro:

Just the 80s

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nutron:

:o

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nutron:

But I can recite Gloria like a mofo... I didn't miss the 80's.

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kormoc:

big trouble++

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wagnerrp:

alien rastafarians, jeff goldbum as a cowboy

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iamlindoro:

Brain Surgeon Cowboy

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nutron:

lol! that sounds excellent

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sphery:

oh, it is most excellent

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_shad:

Went on a limb and bought the inlaws the $199 whitebox quad-core on tigerdirect.ca. Hopefully all is well :)

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nutron:

y'know that's being shipped from the states and you'll get hosed on the "brokerage fee" right? :)

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_shad:

They are paying for it – I don't have to waste time building it, so I'm not too concerned :

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_shad:

:P

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nutron:

I thought the 80's was all summed up by 3 classics. Back to the Future, The Lost Boys and Footloose

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nutron:

whitebox huh

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wagnerrp:

footloose?

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wagnerrp:

im going to stick it to the man by... dancing...

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jannau

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wagnerrp:

i just dont see that as a valid form of rebellion

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kormoc:

That's because it's not illegal in your town!

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nutron:

yep, that's right :), it fit with the cocaine habit I thought...

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nutron:

Oh ok, Spies Like Us was my number one favourite I gotta dig that out of my collection and watch it again...

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nutron:

or should I? I might come back tomorrow complaining about how lame it was...

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kormoc:

Doctor

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_shad:

Short Circuit ftw!

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wagnerrp:

the only thing youll think is lame is the drive-in beam weapon

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nutron:

heh

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nutron:

I remember obsessing over the cute russian chick

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wagnerrp:

the snow bunny by the nuclear missile?

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nutron:

yeah

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nutron:

her

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wagnerrp:

ooh.. real genius, surprised no one has mentioend that yet

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kormoc:

Dan Aykroyd's wife?

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nutron:

never saw/heard of real genius

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wagnerrp:

what what what?

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** kormoc blinks at nutron **

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nutron:

I don't know, I didn't have the internets back then.

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** kormoc thinks nutron was born in 1995 **

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nutron:

Am I the only one?

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nutron:

naw '77

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wagnerrp:

yes

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_shad:

fraid so :)

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nutron:

wtf.. link me a torrent!!! =)

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** nutron hides **

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** kormoc links nutron a kickban **

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nutron:

heh

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_shad:

gah. smart people use usenet

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nutron:

I've never come across it in the value dvd bin

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nutron:

that's my excuse

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_shad:

When I was a kid and we got a VCR, they gave us 100 free old release rentals – that's where I watched most of my movies

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nutron:

100 free rentals? seriously.. great deal. The first vcr I owned was a betamax... talk about gettin' hosed on rentals

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_shad:

yea

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_shad:

had to use it up in a year too. we watched way too many movies

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wagnerrp:

scanners

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nutron:

_shad: you must live in alberta... the land of excess :P

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wagnerrp:

ooh... indiana jones series

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nutron:

ok I've seen those :)

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wagnerrp:

the goonies

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wagnerrp:

stand by me

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_shad:

nutron: Ontario, land of boring

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nutron:

Yep good'un... gremlins!

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wagnerrp:

labyrinth

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nutron:

stand by me was my fav, I lived by the railroad tracks... always wanted to find a dead body ... somehow I thought that'd make me a hero

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sphery:

I have goonies and goonies 2 recorded, but haven't watched them

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sphery:

saw some or all of goonies long, long, long time ago

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wagnerrp:

clue

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wagnerrp:

erm... goonies 2?

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

they made a sequel?

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_shad:

Chuckie scarred me for life when I was a kid

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wagnerrp:

ferris bueller

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_shad:

Revenge of the Nerds was the best though

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wagnerrp:

the princess bride

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sphery:

oops, Goulies

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nutron:

Dirty Dancing!

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sphery:

and Goulies II

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nutron:

:P

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sphery:

sorry

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nutron:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

robocop

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nutron:

Ooooh, that one could use a remake, one of my favs too.

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wagnerrp:

they live

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_shad:

RoboCop was cool

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nutron:

just for cgi, ed207 was it? could use some cgi

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_shad:

Too much Terminator though

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wagnerrp:

UHF

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nutron:

OMG! UHF... I remember when Seinfeld started, I thought the guy (forget the actor's name) that did Kramer sold out... boy was I wrong.

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wagnerrp:

supplies!

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Cyd:

wagnerrp

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Cyd:

did you end up finding it?

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wagnerrp:

Cyd

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wagnerrp:

did i end up finding what?

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Cyd:

ah i see, wanna take it to PM?

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wagnerrp:

take what? what are you talking about?

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Cyd:

PM (private messages)

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Cyd:

like /query

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wagnerrp:

again, what are you talking about?

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Cyd:

our conversation from 20min ago

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wagnerrp:

uh huh...

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wagnerrp:

must have been onee-sided

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Cyd:

k you're making no sense right now so maybe when it clicks you'll PM me

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Cyd:

ask kormoc to 'refresh'

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Cyd:

keith4

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keith4__:

question: does MythTV do any of that "i thought you might like this show, so i recorded it for you even though you didn't ask me to" nonsense?

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sphery:

no

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nutron:

a kb sounds about right

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keith4__:

because my backend is showing "MonsterQuest: Piranha Invasion" as an upcoming recording, and I can't figure out why. I didn't set it to record that, and it doesn't show up in Recording Schedules

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nutron:

sphery: wasn't there a plugin waaay back?

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sphery:

keith4__: please pastebin the output of: mythbackend --printsched

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wagnerrp:

nutron: never anything official

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_shad:

keith4__: Custom search?

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sphery:

nutron: yeah, but I'm guessing he wouldn't have installed it

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_shad:

that maybe had monster or quest in the name?

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_shad:

I had that happen once

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nutron:

aye, it'd be cool still

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nutron:

patches welcome .. i know =)

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_shad:

Wanted to record a show that was more than 2 weeks away, did a custom search and record and then got other crap recorded too that had the name in it

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sphery:

nutron: fwiw: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/TVWish

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sphery:

no clue if it's been updated

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keith4__:

sphery: you want all of it, or just the MonsterQuest line?

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sphery:

keith4__: at least about 10 lines on each side of monsterquest

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keith4__:

I would blame the woman (see Real Housewives...), but she doesn't know what I'm talking about on this one: http://pastie.org/1504459

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keith4__:

_shad: it's possibly, I guess. god only knows what she does to this poor Myth setup when I'm not home

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sphery:

ok, so it's a "this channel" rule

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_shad:

keith4__: :) Mine just has a back log of 4 months of General Hospital

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sphery:

recording off source 2, card 1, input 1

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sphery:

on channel HSTRYHD

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sphery:

and if you go to mythweb recording schedules and look at all the hstryhd rules, you don't see anything that would hit it?

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_shad:

sphery: Can't he just go into mythfrontend and edit the recording details for the show and see what the recording options were?

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keith4__:

the only recording schedule on that channel is for Modern Marvels

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sphery:

yeah, if he's at a frontend

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keith4__:

bad listing data, maybe?

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sphery:

ok, then please do: mythbackend --resched

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sphery:

then wait about a minute or so, and check the upcoming recordings, again

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keith4__:

ok. stand by.

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sphery:

I'm thinking something that's not MythTV is changing your listings data

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sphery:

i.e. something editing db

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sphery:

or EIT-gone-wrong (used on a channel that you're using XMLTV or Schedules Direct on)

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keith4__:

... and now it's gone

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keith4__:

yes, I use Schedules Direct

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sphery:

yeah, something that's not MythTV changed your listings in your DB

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sphery:

do you have EIT enabled on that source and channel?

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keith4__:

no idea

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sphery:

you should disable it from the source (if you're not using EIT--which makes sense with US cable)

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keith4__:

ok. in mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

or, if nothing else, from each channel that gets data from SD

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sphery:

yeah, mythtv-setup

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sphery:

feel free to wait until recordings stop if necessary

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sphery:

but unless something else is directly editing your DB data, that's probably the issue

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keith4__:

excellent. this has been making me slightly crazy for months ;-)

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sphery:

and "disable it from the source" means video source

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sphery:

it's also possible that you could get this behavior if you have mythfilldatabase problems

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keith4__:

the only problems I have are the cable box dropping off the firewire bus ;-)

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sphery:

might want to make sure mythfilldatabase is set to create logs

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keith4__:

... and occasional instances of "... did you record this? what the hell?"

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sphery:

and then check to make sure you see Attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling. near the bottom

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mianos:

I'm running jamu now but it's downloading some gigs and saving them as jpeg

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keith4__:

EIT is disabled

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sphery:

do you have mythfilldatabase logs?

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keith4__:

don't think so

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sphery:

set it up to create them (also in mythtv-setup)

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sphery:

then check it, tomorrow, after a run

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keith4__:

ok. where in mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

for the message I mentioned above

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sphery:

General settings

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sphery:

something about mythfilldatabase loggings

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sphery:

you specify the file path

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kormoc:

Cyd, I think you need to take your medication now

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** Cyd eyes kormoc **

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keith4__:

hmmm. looks like mythfilldatabase is being run by a cron job, and the box is not checked in -setup

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** Cyd eyes keith4 **

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sphery:

keith4__: have mythbackend run it, instead

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Cyd:

kormoc, PM?

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sphery:

really you should have mythbackend run it and have it do so at the time suggested by SD

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sphery:

(and no longer run the cron job :)

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keith4__:

solid advice

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sphery:

keith4__: you may also want to test out mythfilldatabase argments of "--dd-grab-all" , but try it once from the command-line to make sure your backend can handle it

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mianos:

is there a 'normal' way to clear out all the video library metadata?

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sphery:

keith4__: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426

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mianos:

or is the 'normal' way to, after jamu completely wrecks it all up to use mysql and 'delete from' ?

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sphery:

mianos: I'm not the mythvideo expert, but I think the recommended solution is to point your Videos Storage Group to an empty directory, Scan for changes, then point the SG back to the right place

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mianos:

does not work

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mianos:

does not clear out genres

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mianos:

countries etc

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mianos:

I've seen that advice offered many times on the mailing lists

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sphery:

to fix that, you'd really want to do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406462#406462 , probably

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Cyd:

mianos

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Cyd:

how was your day

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sphery:

but I'm guessing that unused genres and countries are not important

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Cyd:

sphery whats up

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sphery:

and I know for a fact they'll be almost no effect on DB size

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keith4__:

sphery: okay, i will look into this. thank you so much!

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sphery:

keith4__: there are some other guys who hang out here who are mythvideo experts, so you may want to talk to them

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mianos:

thanks Cyd

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mianos:

ok the 'normal way' is more radical

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mianos:

drop table, not just delte from

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sphery:

yeah, basically drop your entire schema, then have frontend re-create it

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sphery:

and, btw, that will not work on unstable, so don't do it if you're running unstable/development code

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sphery:

if you're on 0.24-fixes or below, it will work

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mianos:

dev fromt he ubuntu myth dev PPA

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mianos:

.24 fixes

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sphery:

24-fixes is fine

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sphery:

and, above, when I said "there are some other guys who hang out here who are mythvideo experts, so you may want to talk to them", that was meant for you

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sphery:

my auto-complete caught the wrong person (last one I talked to)

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sphery:

sorry kei th4__ :)

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mianos:

I have what seems to be a bug but may be user error

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wagnerrp:

yes, moving the files out and rescanning should clear everything

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mianos:

it seems jama, sometimes downloads episode icons and saves them as gif but adds .jpg to the end

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mianos:

so so mythtv can't load them

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wagnerrp:

jamu shouldnt download gifs, because themoviedb.org shouldnt offer them

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mianos:

ythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(/var/lib/mythtv/coverart/Glee Season 1_coverart.jpg) failed to load image

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mianos:

if I look at the file

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mianos:

the first few bytes 'GIF89a .. '

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wagnerrp:

the same should hold true for thetvdb.com

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Cyd:

lol bill maher is the funniest asshole ever

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Cyd:

'yeah islam is a religion of peace, you get blown up and there's a peice of you over here, a piece of you over there'

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wagnerrp:

Cyd: we dont allow that kind of language in this channel

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Cyd:

my sincerest apologies

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Captain_Murdoch:

mianos, might be your Qt isn't compiled with GIF support.

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mianos:

ok, possible but unlikely

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Captain_Murdoch:

*nix doesn't care about extensions normally unless it's a brain-dead app.

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mianos:

it's ubuntu with the mythtv ppa

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mianos:

maybe it's a non free plugin to qt

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clever:

Captain_Murdoch: ive run into one or 2 gnome apps that do care

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Captain_Murdoch:

clever, my point still stands. :)

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, if thetvdb is serving up gifs, those images need to be taken down

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clever:

yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah, no argument there. just saying MythTV shouldn't be broken by a misnamed file.

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mianos:

yer it's actually TVDB

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mianos:

I just put it behind a transparent proxy

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mianos:

say I pick flashforward, from my DVD boxed set

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mianos:

http://www.thetvdb.com/api/0BB856A59C51D607/s . . . /banners.xml

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mianos:

so in that XML is seasons/84024-1–4.jp

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mianos:

so now jamu gets it

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mianos:

http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/seasons/84024-1-4.jpg

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mianos:

yet if I get it wget "http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/seasons/84024-1-4.jpg"

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mianos:

it's a GIF89a

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bcgrown:

my database got corrupted and i messed it up worse trying to follow the restore instructions on the wiki. can someone hold my hand through deleting the old db, creating a new one, and restoring from a backup?

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mianos:

hmm

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mianos:

ok I reverse all my comments

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wagnerrp:

firefox says that link is a jpeg

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mianos:

that's what 'looks like'

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mianos:

but maybe not

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mianos:

ok

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mianos:

my fault!

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mianos:

there is a second upstream transparent proxy

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mianos:

that is filtering the adds out!

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mianos:

obviously that little jog looks like an ad to it :(

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mianos:

sorry

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bcgrown:

I did this: mysql -uroot -p -e 'DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg;' and it looks like it worked

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bcgrown:

thn this: ./mythconverg_restore.pl --filename /media/hugevat/db-backups/mythconverg-1264–20110123051724.sql.gz --verbose

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bcgrown:

and it said it couldn't connect to the database. what did i miss?

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bcgrown:

wiki says to do this to create the db: mysql < mc.sql

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[R]:

of course it can't connect to the database

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[R]:

you dropped it

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bcgrown:

but that gives me an access denied

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[R]:

cuz you didnt specify the user/pass for mysql

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bcgrown:

[R]: hmm i got access denied when i did that, but apparently i had just typed the pw wrong

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Sparks_IT:

Would there be any issues with mythTV on AMD's new Brazos platform? or would it be more dependent on the Linux distro I choose to run?

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[R]:

what is brazos?

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Sparks_IT:

AMD Fusion line CPU + GPU combo...meant to compete with Intel Atom + ION systems

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[R]:

if its an underpowered cpu, good luck with that

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[R]:

as for gpu... amd's gpus suck

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Sparks_IT:

in terms of performance or support?

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[R]:

both

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wagnerrp:

Sparks_IT: the graphics chip is not well supported in linux

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wagnerrp:

and the CPU itself doesnt have the power to make up for it

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Sparks_IT:

interesting...I'm looking for a low power HTPC mostly used as a DVR...the system seemed like nice fit being only 18W

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bcgrown:

[R]: obviously i'm a mysql noob, can you give me a hand to restore my db?

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[R]:

just follow the directions

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wagnerrp:

Sparks_IT: try a mac mini

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wagnerrp:

easily falls under that power requirement

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bcgrown:

[R]: that's what i did... isn

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bcgrown:

't working

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[R]:

and the error...

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bcgrown:

well i ran the mc.sql thing, but then how do i set the password back to what it was, so my frontends can connect again?

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Sparks_IT:

wagnerrp: I looked at that, unfortuantely it doesn't meet my price range

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[R]:

bcgrown: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=set+mysql+user+password

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bcgrown:

Sparks_IT: What's wrong with one of the Atom+Ion nettops

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: you dont want to use one as a backend, and certainly not as a combo machine

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keith4__:

sphery: while I certainly prefer to do this the "correct way", is this really any better than running mythbackend --resched immediately after the mythfilldatabase cronjob?

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bcgrown:

[R]: SET PASSWORD FOR 'bob'@'%.loc.gov' = PASSWORD('newpass'); do i just use localhost as the hostname? the ip address?

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Sparks_IT:

bcgrown: from what I've seen AMD Brazos performs better the Atom + Ion

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wagnerrp:

are the fusion processors even available for purchase?

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[R]:

bcgrown: mc.sql only sets a password for mythtv@localhost

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[R]:

Sparks_IT: and underpowered cpu is an underpowered cpu

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Sparks_IT:

wagneerp: not yet

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bcgrown:

[R]: i'm so confused

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bcgrown:

i ran this: /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_restore.pl --drop_database --create_database --filename /media/hugevat/db-backups/mythconverg-1264–20110123051724.sql.gz --verbose and it said "Unable to connect to database"

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[R]:

that sucks

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bcgrown:

so... how do i make it able to connect?

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[R]:

read the help for the script and provide it with proper database credentails

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bcgrown:

does anyone else feel like actually being helpful?

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[R]:

115fps mpeg2 hd commflag

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wagnerrp:

crap....

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wagnerrp:

backend flaked out, and i missed all of tonight's recordings

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[R]:

that is one of the reasons my backend doesn't stay on 24/7

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kormoc:

Beirdo, git push -v doesn't give any more context

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wagnerrp:

seems seems like its my fault too

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wagnerrp:

i removed one of the cards from my slave backend, so it wasnt running, complaining about a missing tuner

[02:18:28]

wagnerrp:

i deleted the tuner, and started the slave without restarting the master

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wagnerrp:

so the master tried to use a slave that was missing a tuner, and got confused

[02:20:43]

wagnerrp:

that would also explain why mythfilldatabase has been hosed up and not pulling data since last week

[02:21:32]

wagnerrp:

no repeats in the schedule for any of the shows

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nutron:

yikes

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nutron:

bcgrown: I'd love to help you, but [R] pretty much already told you what to do...

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bcgrown:

nutron: well, i've been trying to follow the instructions but i'm kinda just going in circles

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nutron:

[R]: what kind of filesizes do you see for say 1/2 hour shows 1 hour shows with hd? I hear around 7gb per hour, but is that real-world?

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nutron:

bcgrown: you need to provide the credentials, there's information for the script on how to do that

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[R]:

nutron: depends on what codec it is... etc

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nutron:

mpeg you said

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[R]:

oh, you are talking about my mpeg2

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nutron:

oh yeah.. container.. yeah

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bcgrown:

nut

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bcgrown:

nutron: i am

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bcgrown:

nutron: i have the bac

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[R]:

looks like my qam tbs is 3.8gb for 30 minutes

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bcgrown:

backuprc set up (sorry, keyboard problems)

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[R]:

my qam fox is 3.4gb

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[R]:

my qam my45 is 3gb

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nutron:

that's about right then...

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nutron:

meh, my 6.5 tb array would drop from 3000 hours worth of programming to less than 1000 :(...

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nutron:

quantity ... !quality

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

you need to store 3000 hours?

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nutron:

yeah, it's the only way I get to ensure I have a chance to watch the documentaries I want to watch heh.

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nutron:

Otherwise everything gets owned by american idol, hellcats, one tree hill :( (among many others)

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nutron:

bcgrown: ./mythconverg_backup.pl --help <-- yes?

[02:30:38]

bcgrown:

i'm tempted to watch hellcats to see my workplace on TV... but not tempted enough to actually watch it :)

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bcgrown:

nutron: working on it.. gonna try again

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bcgrown:

had a bit of a laptop/keyboard falling down issue...

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nutron:

what workplace and what's hellcats about?... sounds like a bunch of emo cutters to me

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bcgrown:

it's filmed at UBC, and it's about cheerleaders or something lame like that. i think they show it on W, so that should tell you something there

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nutron:

ahh ubc, the good 'ol days

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wagnerrp:

chris tepe... i know that name

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wagnerrp:

where do i know that from...

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nutron:

meh cheerleaders... are they over 18? if so, i may have to start watching

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bcgrown:

nutron: W network = not worth watching

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nutron:

how do I add myself to the map? I need to make my mark!

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nutron:

bcgrown: heh true enough

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tgm4883:

sphery, so i've been trying to test mythbackend with mysql after bringing in all of directv and setting a bunch of shows to record at any time anywhere. this backend pretty much doesn't do jack now

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tgm4883:

updating to latest 0.24 build to verify, but it's just churning right now trying to bring up upcoming recordings in mythweb

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bcgrown:

[R]: what user should i be using to execute mc.sql. mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

system users are independent from mysql users

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: i know, i meant the mysql user. when i just do "mysql < mc.sql" it gave me an access denied error

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wagnerrp:

root

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: thanks

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: if i'm reading the script right, i still have to set the password manually before i run mythconverg_restore, is that right?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

maybe

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bcgrown:

lol

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wagnerrp:

its been like 5 years since ive done that

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bcgrown:

the MySQL manual says to do this: SET PASSWORD FOR 'bob'@'%.loc.gov' = PASSWORD('newpass');

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bcgrown:

do i just replace %.loc.gov with localhost?

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wagnerrp:

'%' is the wildcard character in mysql

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wagnerrp:

so '%.loc.gov' would grant access to that whole domain

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bcgrown:

but if i only want access from the backend itself, should i put the (static) IP address in, or localhost?

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wagnerrp:

are you going to access it from the static address? or from localhost?

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bcgrown:

is that a trick question? i'm either going to be sitting in front of it, or ssh'd into it

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wagnerrp:

whe you tell mythtv to connect to the database

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wagnerrp:

what address are you going to give it?

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bcgrown:

ip

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wagnerrp:

then you want to grant access to your ip address

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bcgrown:

ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table

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bcgrown:

:(

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wagnerrp:

because you need to grant access to a new user, not set a password for an existing one

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wagnerrp:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'<my ip address>' identified by '<my password>';

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure that line is explicitly given in the documentation

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: ok, did that.. and now I get "sh: gzip -d: not found"

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bcgrown:

when i run mythconverg_restore

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bcgrown:

i specified the backup with --filename=/path/to/file.gz

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: any ideas what that means?

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wagnerrp:

it means you have somehow managed to install a system without gzip

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bcgrown:

well, gzip certainly exists on my system

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bcgrown:

`which gzip` gives me /bin/gzip

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bcgrown:

and gzip runs when called

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bcgrown:

executed/whatever the proper term is

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mianos:

woot, jackpot, got some of the coverat working

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darkdrgn2k:

hey guys, i know this is not a myth related question but..... is there a way to mount (readonly is fine) 2 ex3 partitions into a common mountpoint

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[R]:

unionfs/aufs

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wagnerrp:

one becomes read-only, the other is a read-write layer on top

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darkdrgn2k:

readonly is fine

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clgshaft:

Anyone using the directv.pl script?

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bcgrown:

anyone know why mythconverg_restore can't find my gzip? i definitely do have it, and it's in my path

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bcgrown:

here's the error:

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bcgrown:

gzip -d exited with status: 127

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bcgrown:

gzip -d output:

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bcgrown:

shaggs: gzip -d: not found

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wagnerrp:

sounds like its somehow trying to run the command 'gzip -d', not 'gzip' '-d'

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bcgrown:

well here's the line from the script: $d_uncompress = 'gzip -d';

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bcgrown:

"Found 0 tables in the database. " is that normal?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never used it

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bcgrown:

le sigh

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bcgrown:

is there any other way to restore the db?

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bcgrown:

or should i just start from scratch? not like i had a lot in there anyway

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plut0:

i upgraded my kernel, lirc now uses kernel modules and i can't get it working with mythtv

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[R]:

lirc has always used kernel modules...

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plut0:

these modules are built into the kernel

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plut0:

for >=2.6.35

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Stevezau:

anyone know if its possible to somehow launch xbmc via mythtv?? some kinda shortcut to execute an external program??

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plut0:

looks like lirc is using devinput now

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can launch external programs via the menu xml

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[R]:

Stevezau: thers only like a million and one discussions about launching apps on the mailinglists

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Stevezau:

hmm ill search again

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plut0:

lirc is just horribly broke on recent kernels

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[R]:

i'm using lirc on 2.6.35 just fine...

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plut0:

which driver?

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darkdrgn2k:

hey is there an easy way to jump to a movie in myth movie like press A on the keyuboard for tha "a"s

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darkdrgn2k:

or rather Zs lol

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wagnerrp:

mythmovie?

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darkdrgn2k:

sorry

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darkdrgn2k:

mythvideo

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[R]:

plut0: lirc_serial

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm to bad scrolling sometimes sux :)

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plut0:

[R]: so you're using kernel staging drivers for lirc?

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[R]:

i'm usign wahtever is there

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[R]:

it "just works" like its always worked

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plut0:

[R]: what OS?

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[R]:

linux?

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plut0:

distro?

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[R]:

ubuntu

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plut0:

ok

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plut0:

they moved the lirc drivers into the kernel starting in 2.6.35

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[R]:

and?

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plut0:

well i'm lacking documentation and having trouble getting it to work

[03:56:28]

[R]:

pretty sure they didnt change the drivers...

[03:58:04]

plut0:

[R]: probably not so noticeable on Ubuntu

[03:58:17]

plut0:

[R]: i'm using gentoo

[03:58:27]

plut0:

installing lirc through the package manager caused a kernel oops

[03:58:43]

plut0:

did some research, found out i had to compile them from the kernel now

[03:58:51]

plut0:

config files are different

[03:58:55]

plut0:

/dev/lirc0 doesn't exist anymore

[03:59:03]

[R]:

does here...

[03:59:07]

[R]:

sounds like you didnt load the proper module

[03:59:07]

plut0:

i'd say thats a pretty drastic change

[03:59:26]

plut0:

[R]: well i'm on 2.6.36

[03:59:43]

[R]:

and/or your gentoo is being stupid with udev

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kormoc:

config files are not different and it depends on the driver if lirc0 is there or not

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plut0:

lirc_imon was added in 2.6.35

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plut0:

[R]: doesn't use /dev/lirc0 anymore, uses /dev/input/event* now

[04:00:44]

kormoc:

plut0, the lirc version in portage does not support in kernel lirc modules

[04:00:58]

plut0:

kormoc: i know

[04:01:02]

plut0:

i compiled them myself

[04:01:03]

kormoc:

plut0, and yes, the majority of lirc devices stull use /dev/lirc0

[04:01:13]

kormoc:

so please stop telling people they don't

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[R]:

plut0: lric has support dev input for like ever

[04:01:55]

plut0:

right, thats the old lirc

[04:01:58]

kormoc:

plut0, after all you've said, you've never asked a question. Is this just a brain dump without purpose?

[04:02:21]

plut0:

anyways

[04:02:29]

** kormoc sighs **

[04:02:39]

plut0:

so lirc daemon is running some of the keys work some don't

[04:02:52]

plut0:

using the dev input default config

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plut0:

mode2 doesn't work, neither does irrecord so i have no idea how to get the IR codes

[04:03:28]

[R]:

sounds like you aren't running them properly

[04:03:31]

kormoc:

tell it to stop using the event driver

[04:03:42]

kormoc:

you can't use mode2 or irrecord or irw with the event driver

[04:03:42]

plut0:

kormoc: i don't think i have a choice on this kernel

[04:03:46]

kormoc:

yes, yes you do

[04:03:51]

plut0:

kormoc: great, tell me how

[04:04:13]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: how far did you end up getting with your USB IR box?

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plut0:

from lirc website, "From 2.6.36 on all LIRC kernel drivers are already included in the kernel. There has been a slight interface change in the LIRC ioctls that will affect 64-bit kernels."

[04:05:28]

[R]:

no where does it say you can only use event

[04:05:37]

plut0:

^^

[04:06:07]

[R]:

all it says is all the existing drivers are now part of the kernel so you dont need a seperate pacakge

[04:06:14]

plut0:

great, tell me how to go back to /dev/lirc0 and i'll be happy

[04:06:19]

[R]:

load the proper driver

[04:06:34]

plut0:

imon loaded, done, now what?

[04:06:51]

[R]:

if the proper driver was loaded, you'd have /dev/lirc0

[04:07:07]

plut0:

[R]: i guess you missed my quote from above

[04:07:17]

kormoc:

Jesus H Christ

[04:07:17]

[R]:

plut0: ?

[04:07:29]

kormoc:

he doesn't want help, he just wants to argue that it's broken

[04:07:33]

[R]:

lol

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plut0:

not like i'm pulling it out of my ass, its right on lirc's website

[04:07:42]

[R]:

plut0: huh?

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kormoc:

plut0, NOTHING ON THAT PAGE SAYS EVENTDEV IS REQUIRED

[04:07:56]

plut0:

"From 2.6.36 on all LIRC kernel drivers are already included in the kernel. There has been a slight interface change in the LIRC ioctls that will affect 64-bit kernels."

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kormoc:

Reading comprehension just sucks these days

[04:08:01]

[R]:

plut0: and?

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kormoc:

plut0, NOTHING SAYS EVENTDEV IS THE ONLY KERNEL DRIVER

[04:08:11]

[R]:

kormoc: i blame the schools

[04:08:31]

[R]:

kormoc: i think it started when they stopped letting teachers beat their students

[04:09:04]

plut0:

you guys are so not helpful

[04:09:39]

kormoc:

yeah, cause all this time as I'm looking up the info you need is just to waste my own time eh?

[04:10:01]

plut0:

kormoc: you don't think i've been researching this for hours already?

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kormoc:

plut0, and I'm sorry you're so bad at that

[04:11:05]

plut0:

kormoc: you don't have to be insulting

[04:11:40]

kormoc:

Nor do you have to refuse to listen to me when I try to correct your incorrect assumptions

[04:11:50]

plut0:

kormoc: i'm listening, go ahead

[04:13:17]

kormoc:

pastebin lsmod please

[04:14:34]

plut0:

http://pastebin.com/3t4t9Gaj

[04:15:11]

kormoc:

okay. You need to follow the LIRC page on preventing the usbhid interface from grabbing it, see http://www.lirc.org/html/imon.html

[04:15:14]

plut0:

kormoc: imon is my device btw

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plut0:

kormoc: k checking it out

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kormoc:

you also shouldn't have lirc_imon and imon loaded at the same time

[04:15:56]

kormoc:

lirc_imon is from the lirc package, imon is the kernel driver, you can't mix and match kernel modules like that

[04:16:20]

plut0:

kormoc: actually they are both from the kernel

[04:16:30]

kormoc:

no they are not

[04:16:37]

plut0:

imon is from multimedia, lirc_Imon is from staging

[04:16:58]

plut0:

CONFIG_IR_IMON=m

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plut0:

CONFIG_LIRC_IMON=m

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kormoc:

that's a symbol not a kernel module

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plut0:

kormoc: just trying to tell you they are both from kernel, the lirc package from portage didn't build any drivers

[04:17:51]

kormoc:

but hey, you must know more then me as you keep arguing, so I'll just wonder off now that I've given you the page you need to fix your issue

[04:18:12]

plut0:

kormoc: which do you want me to use?

[04:18:17]

kormoc:

imon only

[04:18:18]

plut0:

kormoc: imon or lirc_imon ?

[04:18:20]

plut0:

k

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plut0:

kormoc: i'm having trouble finding usbhid for imon in dmesg

[04:22:33]

tgm4883:

sphery, so testing using --resched, looks like "Scheduled 4120 items in 131.1 = 0.06 match + 131.01 place"

[04:22:35]

kormoc:

pastebin dmesg

[04:22:36]

tgm4883:

just defaults

[04:23:36]

tgm4883:

with that though, mythbackend was pegged at 100% for about the whole time, mysql didn't pull anything noteworthy of CPU time

[04:24:02]

Methuselah:

you know how mythtv has the ability to change sockets for lirc , is there any way to do the same thing with irexec. I believe it defaults to using /dev/lircd.

[04:24:22]

plut0:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/aQ7mhfm2

[04:25:00]

plut0:

this it? input: iMON Remote (15c2:ffdc) as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0b.0/usb2/2–4/2–4:1.0/rc/rc0/input6

[04:25:22]

kormoc:

Yeah, that's what I'd use

[04:25:54]

plut0:

so something like

[04:26:06]

plut0:

usbhid.quirks=0x15c2:0xffdc

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kormoc:

that said, this is not the issue

[04:26:25]

plut0:

well, the module version of that anyways

[04:26:36]

kormoc:

imon_incoming_packet: unknown keypress is an entirely different issue

[04:27:03]

kormoc:

you need to make a list of the codes and which buttons make those codes and email them to j-rod

[04:27:17]

plut0:

kormoc: the example shows 3 hex, whats the 3rd for?

[04:27:53]

plut0:

options usbhid quirks=0x15c2:0x0045:0x0004

[04:27:58]

kormoc:

not entirely sure actually

[04:28:17]

plut0:

yeah not sure how they got the 3rd from the example

[04:29:05]

kormoc:

your issue is actually that the driver doesn't know which keys to create, j-rod is the maintainer and if you give him the info he needs, he can fix it upstream

[04:31:16]

plut0:

what a pain in the ass this is

[04:37:41]

plut0:

kormoc: quirks=vendorID:productID:quirks

[04:38:01]

plut0:

guessing the 3rd digit is static

[04:38:23]

plut0:

anyways, i tried modprobing usbhid with quirks and it still grabbed imon when i loaded the module

[04:40:25]

kormoc:

<kormoc> your issue is actually that the driver doesn't know which keys to create, j-rod is the maintainer and if you give him the info he needs, he can fix it upstream

[04:40:30]

plut0:

kormoc: gonna try removing lirc_imon from the kernel

[04:40:48]

plut0:

kormoc: i think those errors were from me messing with the lircd.conf files earlier

[04:40:58]

kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

tgm4883: yeah, another user was getting http://pastebin.com/iGi4a0t9 with a pretty nice core 2 duo 3GHz/2GB RAM and 490 channels and 625 rules . I'm guessing your the processor on your test system is less powerful?

[04:41:42]

sphery:

(that being basically 7K items scheduled in 1min)

[04:41:55]

kormoc:

welp, you're likely at the point where if the quarks doesn't work, reboot cleanly, default lirc.conf, post your dmesg to the -users list and see if jarod answers. He'd know best

[04:42:20]

tgm4883:

sphery, interesting, is that a Ubuntu system?

[04:42:23]

plut0:

kormoc: k, i'm rebooting now, i removed everything from the kernel except imon

[04:42:30]

tgm4883:

my system is about as powerful

[04:42:57]

tgm4883:

I take that back, my CPU isn't

[04:43:01]

tgm4883:

C2D @ 1.86GHz

[04:43:06]

tgm4883:

2GB ram

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kormoc:

tgm4883, C2DM @ 2GHz, Scheduled 2923 items in 11.0 = 0.00 match + 11.00 place

[04:44:19]

tgm4883:

yea mine seems to take way longer than that

[04:44:44]

tgm4883:

but it doesn't look like it's mysql, mythbackend is pegged at 100% CPU during that time

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kormoc:

Scheduled 5304 items in 15.2 = 0.00 match + 15.23 place

[04:45:31]

plut0:

kormoc: looks like usbhid still grabbed the device on bootup

[04:45:35]

sphery:

tgm4883: not sure... I assumed so... It's ThisNewGuy's system. ( ThisNewGuy, is that *buntu?)

[04:45:55]

kormoc:

plut0, hrm... it might be worth mailing the lirc list asking for what that 3rd number is

[04:46:11]

kormoc:

tgm4883, swapping?

[04:47:14]

sphery:

the numbers seem to be about what I'd expect of a similarly-tuned system (based on 1.8GHz C2D vs 3.0GHz C2D)

[04:47:32]

tgm4883:

kormoc, gnome monitor shows no swap partition usage

[04:47:38]

sphery:

kormoc: how many rules? and which type of rules (predominantly)

[04:48:25]

sphery:

and how many channels, too

[04:49:42]

tgm4883:

just ran it again, mythbackend 101 CPU, mysqld not in the top 20

[04:50:22]

kormoc:

254 rules, 4 record anytime on channel, 114 record anytime anychannel, 134 find_one, 1 find_daily, 113 channels, 3 tunes (11 counting virtual tuners)

[04:50:49]

tgm4883:

cheduled 4111 items in 131.1 = 2.20 match + 128.87 place

[04:50:57]

sphery:

tgm4883: and how many channels and rules for your test?

[04:51:07]

tgm4883:

sphery, easy way to find that?

[04:51:07]

sphery:

I'm guessing several hundred channels

[04:51:17]

kormoc:

tgm4883, SELECT COUNT(0) FROM channel;

[04:51:21]

sphery:

only easy way I know is ^^^

[04:51:35]

sphery:

and SELECT COUNT(0) FROM record;

[04:51:39]

plut0:

kormoc: so what should i expect if usbhid didn't grab imon?

[04:51:58]

kormoc:

plut0, honestly, it looked right

[04:51:59]

tgm4883:

943 channels

[04:52:14]

sphery:

yeah, that would be tons of programs to sift through

[04:52:19]

tgm4883:

15 rules

[04:52:21]

sphery:

likely many matches on them

[04:52:23]

kormoc:

SELECT COUNT(0) FROM program;

[04:52:23]

plut0:

kormoc: and how do i build a working lircd.conf?

[04:52:30]

sphery:

kormoc: do you have reschedule higher priorities set?

[04:52:33]

kormoc:

plut0, easiest is to use the example one

[04:52:33]

tgm4883:

all are record anytime anywhere

[04:52:38]

kormoc:

sphery, negative

[04:52:38]

sphery:

I'm betting tgm4883 does

[04:52:48]

kormoc:

Yeah... hrm...

[04:52:50]

sphery:

that would make place much more complex, too

[04:53:18]

tgm4883:

sphery, I don't think so, I literally just opened up mythweb, went to the listings, and picked a bunch of shows for it to record

[04:53:23]

plut0:

kormoc: devinput or imon example?

[04:53:35]

kormoc:

plut0, imon example

[04:53:39]

kormoc:

it should ship with a example config

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tgm4883:

this is my desktop, which isn't on my main mythtv system so it's just for testing

[04:53:58]

sphery:

tgm4883: it defaults to true, so if you didn't change it

[04:54:05]

kormoc:

tgm4883, if you don't mind, give my-huge.cnf a try

[04:54:08]

sphery:

It's GRSchedMoveHigher

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tgm4883:

374027

[04:54:17]

tgm4883:

^^ SELECT COUNT(0) FROM program;

[04:54:22]

sphery:

er, no, it's SchedMoveHigher

[04:54:33]

kormoc:

73294 here

[04:54:45]

sphery:

I'd be interested to know what a run with SchedMoveHigher=0 gives you

[04:55:06]

tgm4883:

sphery, I don't have any priorities set though

[04:55:10]

tgm4883:

everything is set to 0

[04:55:16]

sphery:

priorities always exist

[04:55:21]

sphery:

even if you set them all to 0

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tgm4883:

ok

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kormoc:

tgm4883, it'll use row order if there's a tie in numeric level

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sphery:

rule type comes into play, then order of creation, ...

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kormoc:

sphery, aye, rule type overrides, forgot bout those

[04:56:03]

tgm4883:

ok

[04:56:15]

sphery:

i.e. we needed tie breakers so that the scheduler is deterministic :)

[04:56:18]

tgm4883:

hmm, it may tie in, I can't even get into the specific rules in mythweb

[04:56:28]

tgm4883:

just get server error

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sphery:

mythweb (actually php) may choke if you have too many

[04:56:55]

kormoc:

sphery, we do per second recording eh?

[04:57:04]

tgm4883:

sphery, so with SchedMoveHigher=0, do I need to set that for each in the db, or can I set that when running --resched?

[04:57:10]

sphery:

per-second? you mean order of creation?

[04:57:16]

kormoc:

sphery, for recording

[04:57:33]

kormoc:

sphery, we support say record channel x for 1 second then record channel y for 1 second, right?

[04:57:55]

sphery:

tgm4883: you can set it in mythweb settings or DB--then mythbackend --clearcache , then mythbackend --resched

[04:58:21]

sphery:

command-line override won't work since mythbackend --resched simply sends a message to the running backend

[04:58:27]

sphery:

more of a mythmessage --resched

[04:58:37]

sphery:

which may not be a bad way of breaking that out ...

[04:58:38]

kormoc:

mythIPC --resched

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tgm4883:

ah thats not a schedule specific setting, thats system wide

[04:58:48]

kormoc:

aye, it's systemwide

[04:59:25]

sphery:

kormoc: the start/end times do have second resolution, but I've never actually tried a shorter-than-one-minute recording

[04:59:37]

sphery:

right, system-wide

[04:59:46]

sphery:

"System-wide is on your side"

[05:00:13]

** sphery realizes that ad jingle jokes are likely lost on this channel **

[05:00:51]

kormoc:

heh, Nation Pam is on your.... sam...

[05:01:15]

plut0:

kormoc: when i run lircd, should -d driver should i be using? imon or devinput?

[05:01:22]

plut0:

which*

[05:01:24]

kormoc:

imon

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plut0:

k

[05:01:52]

sphery:

kormoc answers in the affirmative with a Jamaican accent

[05:02:04]

plut0:

lol

[05:03:18]

tgm4883:

clearing cache now, i've set it to movehigher to 0 and will test resched when clearcache is done

[05:03:56]

sphery:

thx

[05:04:02]

kormoc:

sphery, I just keep thinking about how much easier it would be to have say 1 minute or 5 minute resolution on scheduling rather then per second

[05:04:03]

sphery:

clearcache should be very fast, though

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sphery:

kormoc: agreed... 1-minute is probably best--with the networks 9:01 end times, etc.

[05:04:59]

sphery:

I know some EIT users get per-second start times, but I think starting 13s early wouldn't be the end of the world for them

[05:05:09]

tgm4883:

hmm

[05:05:10]

tgm4883:

Unknown command: CLEAR_SETTINGS_CACHE

[05:05:14]

tgm4883:

that doesn't look good

[05:05:18]

tgm4883:

in backend log

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sphery:

or could even have EIT "correct" to the nearest minute before inserting

[05:05:39]

sphery:

tgm4883: hmmm... strange

[05:05:56]

sphery:

you did mythbackend --clearcache

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tgm4883:

yep

[05:06:10]

tgm4883:

copied from your command

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Methuselah:

In mythtv setup general there's a setting for "lirc keypress application", what is this setting for?

[05:07:45]

tgm4883:

sphery, I did it again, no errors it appears this time

[05:08:13]

sphery:

Methuselah: it's a removed setting--won't exist after 0.24. It runs some external process every time any LIRC button press is received by MythTV (so if you hold down Volume Up, it will run the same application 20 times)

[05:08:30]

sphery:

Methuselah: don't use it--if you want to run an application in response to LIRC button presses, use irexec

[05:08:46]

sphery:

tgm4883: hmmm.... maybe it was some network/socket issue

[05:09:33]

tgm4883:

possibly, running resched now

[05:10:39]

tgm4883:

still taking forever, i'll try huge after this

[05:11:20]

tgm4883:

not sure it will help though, it's still all mythbackend CPU usage

[05:11:44]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

[05:11:47]

tgm4883:

Scheduled 4102 items in 141.7 = 0.06 match + 141.59 place

[05:11:57]

tgm4883:

match takes less time, but place takes more

[05:11:58]

tgm4883:

odd

[05:12:09]

sphery:

wow, so even higher without reschedule higher priority...

[05:12:11]

kormoc:

hrm

[05:12:29]

kormoc:

tgm4883, you have 0 oldrecorded on this box?

[05:12:59]

tgm4883:

kormoc, 227 records in oldrecorded

[05:13:12]

kormoc:

okay, so nothing horrible

[05:13:35]

Methuselah:

sphery: man i think irexec, only listens in on /dev/lircd, I don't think it possible to change it /dev/lircd3 for example, correct?

[05:13:50]

tgm4883:

looks like I have ~2,000,000 records in the entire db

[05:18:05]

plut0:

kormoc: imon isn't listed as a supported driver for lircd -H

[05:18:54]

kormoc:

plut0, what version of lirc?

[05:18:57]

plut0:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/ywhJCY82

[05:19:07]

plut0:

lircd 0.9.0-pre1

[05:19:44]

kormoc:

hrm

[05:19:50]

kormoc:

devinput might be it for that driver then

[05:19:55]

plut0:

yeah

[05:21:32]

plut0:

i'm confused though

[05:21:44]

plut0:

when i recompiled lirc to include imon

[05:21:58]

plut0:

it failed saying staging support was required in the kernel

[05:22:25]

sphery:

Methuselah: don't know... if it doesn't support user-specified sockets, it needs fixing (i.e. it should do its job--MythTV shouldn't have to)

[05:22:37]

plut0:

so i had to enable CONFIG_LIRC_STAGING & CONFIG_LIRC_IMON

[05:22:52]

plut0:

which is different than CONFIG_IR_IMON

[05:22:55]

plut0:

as you pointed out

[05:23:07]

sphery:

irexec is /significantly/ better than the lirc keypress application to start with, so if all irexec needs is a new command-line arg to specify socket, it should be easy to write a patch and push it through

[05:23:20]

plut0:

so since i have lirc_imon now, how can lirc talk with that driver ?

[05:23:38]

sphery:

(where lirc keypress application is the hack that was in mythtv)

[05:23:58]

Methuselah:

sphery: I may have found my first project. thanks.

[05:24:05]

sphery:

or, perhaps you can rearrange your lirc devices so the socket is where you need it...

[05:24:11]

sphery:

patching irexec would be best, though

[05:24:26]

Methuselah:

yeah it should be easy enough.

[05:24:49]

kormoc:

plut0, I honestly think you need to talk to J-rod about this now, you're beyond currently documented stuff now

[05:25:04]

kormoc:

plut0, it should be as easy as modprobe imon;/etc/init.d/lircd start

[05:25:26]

plut0:

kormoc: i'm looking at the alternative lirc_imon right now

[05:25:37]

plut0:

kormoc: the module is loaded but i don't know what the /device is for it

[05:25:47]

plut0:

[ 117.158321] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 253

[05:25:52]

plut0:

where is it ??

[05:26:09]

kormoc:

weird, it should give a minor node number

[05:26:19]

plut0:

its not in /dev/input

[05:26:35]

plut0:

which is where the imon module creates it

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darnell:

can i get some help with this no backend upnd thing

[05:50:22]

[R]:

"thing"?

[05:50:32]

darnell:

issue

[05:50:45]

wagnerrp:

we need more information

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[R]:

wagnerrp: no need

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sphery:

darnell: it's simply saying, "I didn't automatically find a backend I could connect to, so you'll need to provide the information to find the backend"

[05:50:54]

[R]:

i'll just pull out my crystal ball

[05:51:01]

sphery:

don't worry--I have one

[05:51:33]

darnell:

if you search google its a huge problem. no clear guides to fix it

[05:51:44]

sphery:

it's not a problem

[05:51:44]

darnell:

on running mythtv-setup

[05:51:46]

sphery:

it's informational

[05:51:51]

darnell:

k

[05:51:51]

sphery:

just fill in the info it's asking for

[05:52:08]

darnell:

how am i suppose to fill in info i dont know?

[05:52:11]

[R]:

wagnerrp: do you know anyting about OLED?

[05:52:14]

darnell:

its the initial setup?

[05:52:38]

wagnerrp:

darnell: you give it the login information that you set in mysql

[05:52:45]

sphery:

yes, and it's asking you for backend and database info

[05:52:55]

darnell:

sphery, i never setup a password for mysql

[05:53:04]

darnell:

can i start from scratch here...

[05:53:12]

wagnerrp:

darnell: then you need to follow the directions on the website

[05:53:13]

darnell:

should i just delete and reinstall?

[05:53:34]

darnell:

ive set it up before, its never said that before

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sphery:

distro packages may have set a db password

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darnell:

k

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Stevezau:

can anyone point me in the direction of getting a HOLTEK mce receiver to work in lirc so i can use harmoney remote in mythtv. been searching google without much luck

[05:56:43]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, off the top of your head, do you know if we have any way to find the IP of a FE? if it's a BE, we can check the setting, but I don't think there's a way to do that for a FE.

[05:57:08]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: don't think there's anything

[05:57:30]

sphery:

IIRC, kormoc was doing some tricky thing to find them for the mythweb remote

[05:57:38]

sphery:

don't rememder details, though

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wagnerrp:

aside from the socket calls to do so... none that i know of

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wagnerrp:

sphery: in both mythweb and the python bindings, we just get a list of hostnames with networkcontrolport defined

[05:58:37]

wagnerrp:

and from there, test them each individually to see if theyre online

[05:59:09]

kormoc:

Yeah, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . tend.php#L40

[05:59:10]

sphery:

ah, yeah, that's it

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: would be wonderful to have the mbe remember all clients that check in (and keep track of who's still around/last contact type info)

[06:00:32]

wagnerrp:

thats something i could add in fairly easily

[06:00:41]

wagnerrp:

a new protocol call to enumerate all connected clients

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sphery:

darnell: btw, calling one of the project developers names is not a good way to inspire people to help you

[06:03:14]

kormoc:

darnell, you likely shouldn't be so fragile about people pointing you in the proper direction for help

[06:03:25]

** kormoc laughs **

[06:04:03]

sphery:

he thinks just because he's in the witness relocation program that he can act however he wants

[06:04:14]

sphery:

(bad My Name is Earl reference... nvm)

[06:04:42]

kormoc:

I miss that show

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darnell:

ichuckle

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sphery:

yeah, wasn't a bad show

[06:08:27]

dougt_:

wagnerrp: any advice if I wan't to record a random channel for 1m on each tuner? basically what i want to end up with is a way to verify that the my setup is working more or less

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sphery:

dougt_: manual recording rules

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dougt_:

there have been some cases where everything looks fine, but the file is empty because my hd-pvr hangs.

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kormoc:

sphery, witness relocation program isn't working so well when he has a linked in profile, he's a used car (it) dealer! http://www.linkedin.com/in/darnellkeith

[06:09:11]

dougt_:

sphery: yup. in python.

[06:09:31]

sphery:

ah, I see... I'll leave you to the expert you were looking for

[06:09:53]

sphery:

kormoc: heh, yeah, social networking + witness relocation probably isn't a good mix

[06:10:03]

sphery:

The Thompsons!

[06:10:05]

dougt_:

sphery: i was hoping it would be trivial, but it looks harder than I thought.

[06:10:44]

sphery:

yeah, we don't have any high-level support for recording rule creation in the backend, so bindings would have to do a lot of work for you

[06:10:48]

sphery:

don't know if they do

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dougt_:

sphery: maybe perl has such support since mythweb does it?

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sphery:

no, perl bindings are very much less capable than python bindings

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dougt_:

sphery: clearly mythweb does stuff.

[06:12:34]

dougt_:

:D

[06:12:38]

sphery:

they're basically just a wrapper around the socket and some structures for holding data

[06:12:40]

wagnerrp:

dougt_: been meaning to add livetv chain support to the bindings for the better part of a year now, never got around to it

[06:12:45]

sphery:

mythweb is php, though :)

[06:12:53]

sphery:

but mythweb does it "manually"

[06:13:03]

kormoc:

Bad mythweb!

[06:13:10]

sphery:

wagnerrp: do you have recording rule creation support?

[06:13:12]

wagnerrp:

there are php bindings, but mythweb hasnt been updated to use them yet

[06:13:16]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i can do that

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kormoc:

It never would have ended up this way if it was written in ruby from the start!

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sphery:

kormoc: well, better that it does it manually than not at all :)

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: is there a clean/clever way of doing this... or waiting on your livetv support is the best option?

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sphery:

kormoc: or if someone would have just converted it to Python when he was told to do so

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kormoc:

indeed!

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sphery:

wagnerrp: manual recording rules would work

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wagnerrp:

sphery: all the stuff in the bindings is intended to create rules based off programinfos and guide entries

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wagnerrp:

but you can work it up manually

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: does that mean just search the guide for something, record that, then cancel the recording after a bit?

[06:18:43]

wagnerrp:

no, you create a manual recording

[06:18:52]

wagnerrp:

manually set the start and end times, as well as the channel

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xris:

sphery: I keep trying to get one of my coworkers (with free time) to help rewrite those perl bindings....

[06:18:59]

wagnerrp:

you can set a name, or leave it blank

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wagnerrp:

xris: nutron has already put together a fair bit of work towards that

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xris:

cool

[06:19:48]

xris:

I think I only chatted with him briefly about that

[06:20:27]

sphery:

xris: heh, that would be cool... I think nut ron was also motivated to help with them--but wasn't sure if it was something we wanted

[06:20:51]

sphery:

ah, but wagnerrp already mentioned that... I'm way too slow tonight

[06:20:58]

xris:

can't hurt to have more.. making it easier to create bindings is one of the reasons I keep hoping for a consolidated API

[06:21:06]

sphery:

yeah

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: got any examples?

[06:21:22]

sphery:

would be nice to get cdevs stuff in so the bindings can make use of it

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xris:

waiting for dblain to commit his stuff is also one of the reasons I haven't put a lot of thought into anything yet.

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sphery:

yeah

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xris:

though php/mythweb would still get my first attention.

[06:21:53]

xris:

what little time kormoc or I seem to have these days.

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sphery:

then again, wagnerrp got a full complement of capability wrapping the backend protocol, so the perl bindings could do the same

[06:22:41]

sphery:

then, if we get new API support, they could be updated to work with the new api

[06:23:16]

sphery:

and if they do their job--and hide the details of the implementation from the user--it won't be a problem for any scripts developed against the bindings

[06:23:31]

xris:

yeah, it was more a matter of consistent objects, etc.

[06:23:47]

xris:

mythproto is not particularly good for representing hash/struct data

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sphery:

yeah, plus would be nice to get better interpretation of the data, too

[06:24:33]

sphery:

i.e. versus having to maintain a list of lookups for values in all of C++, Python, Perl, and PHP code

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xris:

I would really like to see some non-version-dependent API stuff. it would/could spur better relationships with third party devs (esp. as we start to get android/iphone apps, etc)

[06:26:09]

sphery:

for things like 0x0400 = FL_TRANSCODED , etc.

[06:28:46]

xris:

yeah, that, too

[06:29:34]

xris:

though I suppose an API call to pull a hash of those values from the backend might be interesting. Though I suppose it wouldn't be too helpful — it's not like we *move* them, just add more.

[06:31:00]

sphery:

yeah, just that we have so many of them

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xris:

that's because we have silly C programmers who like to save memory and be... efficient. ;)

[06:35:19]

wagnerrp:

dougt_: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2040717

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dougt_:

dude. thanks!

[06:36:46]

dougt_:

wagnerrp: i'll post something in the next day or two

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wagnerrp:

timedelta is in seconds, if you didnt catch that

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wagnerrp:

xris: we have c++ developers, were not fooling anyone about saving memory

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xris:

lol

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Beirdo:

dangit, Fox OTA has signal issues with this antenna again

[07:32:24]

Beirdo:

took out a perfectly good House episode

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Cyd:

maybe you shouldnt be watching tv?

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Beirdo:

whatever

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Cyd:

jk

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Cyd:

ily

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Beirdo:

stupid channel

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Cyd:

?

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Cyd:

you sound downtrodden

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Beirdo:

you try watching a glitchy show and see what you thingk of the broadcaster

[07:42:09]

Beirdo:

and it glitches out the most interesting parts of the show

[07:44:20]

** Cyd hugs Beirdo **

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Cyd:

it sucks i know

[07:44:33]

Cyd:

d/l the episode afterwards

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Cyd:

if you'd like?

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Beirdo:

no

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Cyd:

you know what Beirdo

[07:54:21]

Cyd:

FU

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Beirdo:

tis illegal, and definitely not tolerated

[07:54:31]

Cyd:

im talking about hulu

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Cyd:

dont you americans have that on there or something?

[07:54:46]

Cyd:

i cant access hulu (from canada) so i wouldnt know

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Beirdo:

I'm not an American

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Cyd:

oh you're from the UK

[07:55:17]

Beirdo:

no

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Cyd:

you have a cute english accent?

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Cyd:

i loooooooove english accents

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Beirdo:

BTW, there's no need to be abusive, especially if you want to keep from getting banned.

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Cyd:

you whine a lot

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Cyd:

anyways i g2g, lets bury the hatchett

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Beirdo:

oO

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Beirdo:

someone wants a hatchet buried in their head with that attitude

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justinh:

wow, so not everybody from Canada is a non-idiot. Surprising

[08:27:59]

justinh:

nice. after rescanning yesterday I only need to fix one xmltvid

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justinh:

heh and one channum

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Beirdo:

justinh: yeah, our Prime Minister proved that years ago

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Beirdo:

anyways, off to bed

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justinh:

mornin stuarta

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stuarta:

morning

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** stuarta decided to come visit for the first time in a while **

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justinh:

heh. I've started coming back occasionally

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justinh:

hmm is it even worth trying to sort out CITV or should I just delete it?

[09:13:43]

deegan:

Ok so I need to do a rescan of my channels to get just one single new channel using DVB-S. My question here is, since i dont want to mess up my current channel list is it better to do "scan single transport" and specify the specific frequency etc. rather than to do a full scan?

[09:13:46]

justinh:

bah. DELETE

[09:14:12]

deegan:

I spent like a full day just to get that list nice and clean so i dont want it to be messed up with a new scan. :)

[09:14:19]

justinh:

deegan: for minimal disruption, just scan a specific transponder if you know where it is

[09:14:30]

justinh:

but make sure it's an existing transponder

[09:15:36]

deegan:

justinh: ok but does it make a difference if i pick "full scan (tuned)" or "scan single existing transport". transport and transponder are not the same thing?

[09:15:46]

deegan:

I'm getting the terminology mixed up. :

[09:16:10]

justinh:

transport is the same as transponder

[09:16:28]

deegan:

great stuff. :)

[09:16:42]

stuarta:

full scan will go through the whole lot again. hence "full" :)

[09:16:50]

justinh:

DVB-T doesn't have transponders as such, so that's probably why mythtv doesn't just call em that

[09:17:23]

stuarta:

technically they are transports on either medium

[09:17:34]

stuarta:

just for some reason they often get called transponders on dvb-s

[09:17:43]

stuarta:

which isn't really correct

[09:18:00]

justinh:

the transponder is the thing wot does the transmitting

[09:18:10]

stuarta:

yup

[09:18:28]

deegan:

man i gotta say this stuff is great once you get a hang of it. Now i can easily update the channel list for new channels in the future. :)

[09:18:34]

stuarta:

it's the thing that does the beep fizzle blarp...

[09:18:36]

mianos:

and here each has 3–6 channels

[09:18:53]

justinh:

hmm mythweb is throwing a wobbler when I try to list a channel that doesn't appear to have any EPG data

[09:18:57]

stuarta:

5–18 here

[09:19:09]

mianos:

two tuners and changing channels can get quite confusing as to channels dissapearing

[09:19:53]

justinh:

I hate when channels get rearranged

[09:19:54]

deegan:

While i'm scanning i got some time for another little question. when the day comes that i put more dvb-s tuners in my box will i just need to assign the same channel list to the new tuner or do i have to rescan everything again or how does that work with mythtv using tuners that are not currently in use?

[09:19:56]

justinh:

HATE IT

[09:20:14]

justinh:

deegan: the former

[09:20:18]

stuarta:

deegan: assign it the same "data source" and it'll be fine

[09:20:31]

deegan:

lovely.

[09:20:46]

** stuarta tum te tums **

[09:21:21]

mianos:

you can do either

[09:21:27]

justinh:

ah. Asboloot Radio has no guide data

[09:21:28]

mianos:

it will see all the same channels on the scan

[09:21:44]

justinh:

but the point is you don't HAVE to rescan fully

[09:21:53]

mianos:

no true

[09:22:04]

mianos:

save a channels.conf

[09:22:08]

mianos:

handy

[09:22:16]

justinh:

and you'd have to assign the new tuner to the data source anyway, so it'd be a wasted step

[09:22:26]

stuarta:

you don't even need to scan if you assign it the same data source as the old one

[09:22:34]

stuarta:

since _all_ the channels are the same

[09:22:59]

justinh:

looks like they're gonna scrap our flexitime here :(

[09:23:18]

stuarta:

the answer to that is exact timekeeping

[09:23:21]

justinh:

this might have something to do with the CEO nearly taking the front of my car off when I left at 4pm on Monday

[09:23:30]

justinh:

he was cutting the corner

[09:23:45]

stuarta:

swines

[09:24:05]

justinh:

expect nothing else from somebody whose hobby is driving a racing car :P

[09:24:16]

justinh:

follow the racing line or the highway code? hmmm

[09:24:58]

justinh:

anyway apparently the development team being able to leave at 3.30pm is affecting how well products are selling

[09:25:01]

stuarta:

the two are mutually exclusive

[09:26:35]

justinh:

I need to hack up mythweb to show me useful channel info not the silly colour/hue/brightness junk

[09:26:44]

justinh:

like uh.. which mux it's on

[09:27:07]

justinh:

oo. if I do that now it'll save me time in later life

[09:39:32]

justinh:

http://imagebin.org/134814 ta-da!

[09:49:50]

justinh:

hahahaha WHOOPS

[09:49:56]

justinh:

time to restore the db from a backup

[09:50:55]

justinh:

warning: futzing about with mythweb settings pages in a hurry can seriously harm your channel table

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hashbang:

morning all

[09:51:46]

justinh:

good job I have mythconverg-1254–20110128085202.sql.gz from before I started messing this morning :)

[09:51:50]

justinh:

morning hashbang

[09:52:27]

hashbang:

justinh: wotcha

[09:52:39]

hashbang:

justinh: database backups always considered useful. :-)

[09:53:41]

justinh:

specially when you're messing about with mythweb settings pages

[09:53:54]

justinh:

I messed up in the SUBMIT stuff somewhere

[09:54:08]

justinh:

ended up wiping out the serviceids in the channel table. oops

[09:56:04]

justinh:

oh. not just those. everything. rofl

[09:56:45]

justinh:

hope a mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < mythconverg-1254–20110128085202.sql sorts it out

[10:00:40]

justinh:

oh yeah. the update query in set_channels.php had stuff in the wrong order

[10:03:38]

justinh:

don't try this at home, folks ;-)

[10:03:54]

justinh:

darn. still messed it up. now I swapped serviceid & mplexid

[10:05:04]

justinh:

been a long while since I mucked around with php mysql stuff. forgot that variables can be swapped around/messed about if you put stuff in the wrong order

[10:06:21]

hashbang:

ouch. :-(

[10:07:15]

justinh:

well, I had to do something. what use is it to have finetune, colour, brightness, contrast, hue if you've got digital TV? ;-)

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justinh:

that'll be another bonus to doing away with framegrabber support in mythtv :D

[10:13:59]

hashbang:

justinh: when you say "the update query in set_channels.php had stuff in the wrong order", are you referring to a bug in current mythweb, or just your local dev fork?

[10:15:02]

justinh:

my hackery :)

[10:15:25]

shiznix:

hi all, i have mythtv working fine in linux on a htpc, my dilemma is that i need to sometimes dual boot this htpc into windows and so of course during the times it's booted into windows the scheduled recordings are not performed

[10:15:27]

justinh:

I stuffed new variables & crap in there & neglected to put the fields in the right order to correlate with variables

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justinh:

shiznix: so don't boot into windows

[10:16:07]

justinh:

then there'll be no dilemma

[10:16:07]

hashbang:

justinh: aha, phew. :-)

[10:16:31]

shiznix:

so i'm looking into compiling/installing mythtv for windows so that it may share the same database with linux

[10:16:36]

justinh:

shiznix: I expect you'd have similar problems if you powered the box down & unplugged it from the mains. it'd miss recordings then too

[10:16:42]

justinh:

shiznix: recoridng won't work in windows

[10:16:51]

shiznix:

justinh: heheh, i wish it were that simple :)

[10:17:05]

hashbang:

shiznix: then there's the issue of which filesystem you'd use that could be used equally by both Windows and Linux...

[10:17:25]

shiznix:

indeed..

[10:17:29]

justinh:

then there's the issue that no capture cards will work with a mythtv backend on windows

[10:17:40]

hashbang:

shiznix: I think the recommendation would be "don't do that, it'll hurt"

[10:17:56]

justinh:

and the issue that even in a VM you'll be lucky if capture cards will work

[10:18:06]

hashbang:

shiznix: why are you dual booting? Why not run Windows within a VM?

[10:18:44]

shiznix:

i read that mythbackend will record from a hdhomerun stream in windows

[10:18:53]

** hashbang bets the answer is 'Windows games' :-) **

[10:19:10]

shiznix:

hashbang: correct!

[10:19:20]

justinh:

pity there's no way to set a BIOS shutdown time as well as a wakeup time – then you could have mythbackend reboot the machine out of windows via the BIOS when it's time to record :D

[10:19:47]

justinh:

shiznix: so just have a windows backend working with network recorders then

[10:20:02]

justinh:

don't chop & change. it'll be more pain than it's worth

[10:20:36]

justinh:

or – and here's a far out concept – get a machine just to play games/be a mythtv backend

[10:20:41]

shiznix:

i'm wondering if there exists something in software for windows that would emulate that hdhomerun stream for mythbackend

[10:20:45]

justinh:

no

[10:20:47]

justinh:

there isn't

[10:20:56]

shiznix:

hrmm :|

[10:20:59]

justinh:

apart from an actual HDHR

[10:21:33]

justinh:

besides, I'm not sure a myth backend would run so well on a machine you're playing games on

[10:22:05]

justinh:

I wouldn't bet my house on it being able to do so reliably. you know what games can be like

[10:22:29]

justinh:

with windows being so good at handling multitasking & all that ;-)

[10:22:31]

shiznix:

good point

[10:23:42]

justinh:

hey Ebay guy, don't complain to me when I leave you bad feedback because your item description wasn't accurate *and* you've been pestering me to leave good feedback since before you shipped the item

[10:23:56]

justinh:

needy ****

[10:24:09]

hashbang:

justinh: shiznix: have a dedicated linux mythbackend that's on 24x7, and dual boot the (tuner-free) frontends, more like?

[10:24:36]

justinh:

or just give up playing games. they all suck anyway :D

[10:24:46]

justinh:

or get a console instead :D

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stuarta:

that's what i'd do, get a console

[10:25:13]

stuarta:

the exception being strategy type games

[10:25:18]

stuarta:

civilization etc

[10:25:24]

stuarta:

or WoW

[10:25:24]

shiznix:

well i do love my need4speed and hawx

[10:26:13]

shiznix:

but i get most of my console love from the emulators these days

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justinh:

I barely have enough time to watch what I record let alone play games :-\

[10:27:37]

justinh:

then again, a 6 month old is more entertaining than either TV or games.. occasionally

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stuarta:

6mths eh? Mine's nearly 15months!

[10:30:30]

shiznix:

2 years, 4 years + another on the way here

[10:31:03]

justinh:

looks like ours is set to skip the crawling stage

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shiznix:

which is why the boot into win sometimes gets forgotten about until "oh crap, we missed recording that one!!"

[10:31:10]

justinh:

wants to stand up all the time

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justinh:

shiznix: maybe a dedicated backend is the way forward for you then

[10:32:50]

justinh:

it also helps – cos then you can have a big cheap fugly noisy machine with loads of disks inside, hidden away somewhere

[10:32:59]

justinh:

that's what I do :)

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justinh:

I'm gonna look at sending it into standby land soon though

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shiznix:

yes, some good ideas there

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justinh:

that's the biggest benefit of using mythtv over *any* other software DVR

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justinh:

you're not bound to having it all in one box :D

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shiznix:

oh yeah it really is perfect in that regard

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shiznix:

i just need some thinking time now to weigh up some options

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shiznix:

big thanks!!

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shiznix:

i wonder if the tuner hardware could be seen in colinux...

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shiznix:

so the mythbackend runs in colinux and the frontend runs in win

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shiznix:

i know that kind of abstraction has worked for me in the past when dealing with a linux FS that is not supported in win

[10:43:20]

clever:

shiznix: to get the tuner to function in colinux, i'm thinking you need to make colinux properly claim the resources under the windows kernel

[10:43:22]

shiznix:

but anyway, it comes back to the whole performance issue again

[10:43:45]

clever:

and then modify the virtual memory settings so the linux kernel has permision to access it

[10:45:23]

clever:

iirc, colinux has the VM setup so the linux kernel can only access the chunk set asside for it

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shiznix:

hmm i see

[10:46:11]

clever:

if you properly ask the windows kernel for the resources on the card (irq, io, mem), you shouldnt get conflicts when a windows driver tries to use the card

[10:46:55]

clever:

but i dont know the details on how windows kernel drivers work

[10:47:08]

clever:

just the linux way

[10:47:33]

shiznix:

clever: thanks for the insight

[10:48:27]

justinh:

and again I'd reiterate that it's still probably not a good idea.

[10:48:51]

clever:

ive tried running a frontend under colinux before, but the performance was horid

[10:49:07]

clever:

ive gotten better performance from running the frontend inside VNC, even with video playback

[10:50:02]

justinh:

haha that gives me the impression colinux is far from ideal then

[10:50:21]

clever:

the problem is that it had to pipe all video thru X11 over tcp

[10:50:34]

clever:

any drawing commands had to go thru that long path

[10:50:52]

shiznix:

exactly, you wouldn't get that with colinux'ing the backend instead

[10:50:56]

clever:

mythfrontend->Xvnc4 has less lag, and then the Xvnc4->tcp->viewer path is more buffered

[10:51:15]

clever:

shiznix: yeah, colinux is better suited for the backend then any GUI

[10:51:58]

clever:

ive run a mythjobqueue under colinux before, just to have an extra core flagging away

[10:53:03]

shiznix:

and actually, the frontend in win would hardly be used much at all here – i just really need a way to guarantee the scheduled recordings are still performed

[10:53:53]

shiznix:

and the schedules are normally done through mythweb

[10:55:32]

justinh:

so how are you watching what you record?

[10:57:21]

shiznix:

xbmc

[10:57:48]

** shiznix ducks **

[10:58:08]

justinh:

figured as much

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justinh:

and you only use mythtv cos tvheadend doesn't do much :P

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shiznix:

i have an old love and familiarity for mythtv

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shiznix:

xbmc just happens to be a very slick frontend to that

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justinh:

s/slick/sucky/ (IMHO)

[11:05:45]

justinh:

ooo look – all my recorded shows as one big list!

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stuarta:

it seems to be favoured by those who don't just watch stuff they record...

[11:07:03]

** justinh wonders if he'll easily be able to get a nvidia-gpu powered version of his laptop mainboard **

[11:07:19]

justinh:

prolly cheaper just to buy a new laptop

[11:08:27]

shiznix:

but really, i could equally be using windows media player or mplayer to watch the recordings – the recordings worth keeping all end up being encoded away :)

[11:08:50]

shiznix:

and i still use mythfrontend on this laptop to do the edit cutlist

[11:09:27]

justinh:

I need a laptop that'll let me watch flashplayer without tearing on windows and linux.. which kinda rules out intel

[11:09:46]

shiznix:

so mythtv is just one huge piece of the puzzle for me

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justinh:

I don't have any love for XBMC whatsoever – and at times when myth has irked me to the point of looking elsewhere it's *still* been disappointing to find out once you get past the shiny UI the other media centres are a crock

[11:10:57]

shiznix:

justinh: i've had good mileage from my Dell Studio 17" (Intel i5 CPU w/integrate GPU)

[11:11:26]

justinh:

oh, no arbitrary jumping.. no timestretching.. MEH

[11:11:41]

justinh:

but you can jump to an ABSOLUTE time in XBMC.. WTF

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Stevezau:

i want to add a button to mainmenu.xml.. do i have to edit the theme or can i make a local one in ~/.mythtv

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shiznix:

well, thanks much for the conversation but i must be saying goodnight now

[11:23:03]

shiznix:

g'nite ;)

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justinh:

Stevezau: you can do either

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quicksilver:

I wonder if the IBM Watson – Jeopardy game will be broadcast on any UK channels

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quicksilver:

I'd be really interested to see it

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justinh:

anyone here ever bought LED strips from dealextreme for domestic lighting jobs like illuminating the inside of a wardrobe?

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Stevezau:

justinh where do i put the mainmenu.xml in my home folder tho

[12:08:27]

Stevezau:

will it overrise?

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Stevezau:

override*

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justinh:

you said in ~/.mythtv/ which was about right IIRC

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Stevezau:

k

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Stevezau:

thanks

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justinh:

if not there then maybe ~/.mythtv/theme

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justinh:

I always go for the jugular, not the home dir ;-)

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stevezau:

justinh i think its diff in 0.24

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stevezau:

cant find mainmenu.xml

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justinh:

if won't be in your home dir already

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justinh:

you have to copy it there

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justinh:

by default it's not there

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justinh:

but if you put it there it'll override the default one in $share/mythtv/themes

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stevezau:

yeh but what im saying is its not there in the /usr/share/mythtv/themes also

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justinh:

/usr/share/mythtv/themes/menuthemename

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justinh:

i.e. /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/

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stevezau:

ah

[12:20:26]

stevezau:

in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu

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stevezau:

thanks

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hashbang:

justinh: I get some tearing on flashplayer even with a 7600GT and nVidia's 256 drivers. What are you doing to/hoping will eliminate it?

[12:35:10]

justinh:

I heard that disabling compiz might help on linux. nothing you can do on windows though

[12:35:19]

justinh:

I get tearing on either OS :(

[12:36:49]

justinh:

must surely be better when you're using HW acceleration

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hashbang:

justinh: I don't think I've got compiz enabled anyway, so I suspect I'm doing as well as I can.

[12:40:31]

hashbang:

justinh: there's http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/2008/08/sec . . . file_1.html, I suppose

[12:43:38]

justinh:

suppose

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justinh:

flash needs to start sucking less

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justinh:

that or sites like iPlayer / 4OD etc need to go html5

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justinh:

or just let other players deal with playback duties

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justinh:

since their whole argument for binding it in to flash to hard is defeated by a simple, easily got library

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justinh:

and besides, if I wanted to start sharing BBC & other shows on P2P networks I'd just record it over the air

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justinh:

not bother ripping the LQ flash stream

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justinh:

stupid argument

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wagnerrp:

gbutters: why do you get a fancy push pin and the rest of us have lame bubbles... :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

...I agree wholeheartedly with the "crock" sentiment expressed earlier.

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justinh:

hey I don't care who agrees with me ;-)

[13:27:17]

justinh:

all the different ones have their vices but there are no points for guessing which suits me best

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JEDIDIAH__:

I experiment with alternatives all the time.

[13:30:51]

justinh:

once I discounted the ones that didn't even run after installing that didn't leave much :P

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hashbang:

justinh: hmmm, looks like flashplayer wants composite enabled whilst http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Tearing.2FStuttering says MythTV wants it disabled...

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

hmmm still no EIT data for Absolute (crap) Radio

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justinh:

oh SOD OFF mythbackend. ProcessPAT: Program not found in PAT. Rescan your transports.

[14:35:49]

justinh:

what it means is "delete all your channels and rescan because apparently rescanning existing transports just doesn't cut it"

[14:37:45]

justinh:

or maybe it does cut it but I'm damned if I can make sense of it finding off air channels, potentially conflicting.. or whatever

[14:40:40]

justinh:

aw crap. myth has fair screwed up here

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hashbang:

justinh: I always used to find I was best off stopping mythbackend, running scandvb, then manually creating rows in the channels table. :-(

[14:43:37]

hashbang:

justinh: PITA, mind.

[14:43:42]

justinh:

precisely

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justinh:

whoah we've got channel M now

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justinh:

a whole mux just for us!

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justinh:

missed that with just a scan of existing muxes

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JEDIDIAH__:

which version of flashplayer? I have all of my mythboxes set to disable composite and have had no problems running flash

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justinh:

hahaha all freeveiw/freesat users need to read this: http://www.aerialsandtv.com/cableandleads.htm . . . TypesOfCable

[15:27:49]

justinh:

actually everybody who uses digital TV could do with reading it

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JEDIDIAH__:

the coax cable information should be in the main wiki.

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exempla:

Any ideas how I can programatically get frontend status?

[15:42:39]

wagnerrp:

through the control status

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wagnerrp:

erm, control socket

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wagnerrp:

'query location'

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hashbang:

JEDIDIAH__: supposedly, composite extension should be enabled for flash for best performance. it certainly /works/ without it, though.

[15:43:09]

exempla:

is that the network control interface?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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exempla:

thanks for the pointer

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ThisNewGuy:

kormoc: changing tmpdir to /dev/shm doesn't seem to make much of a difference but replacing p.description with left(p.desciprtion, 16000) gives the same performance boost as "" and doesn't lose any data

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ThisNewGuy:

I updated http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9517 with this info

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idl0r:

hey guys, is anybody using the thermaltake DH101 remote control with imon?

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stinga:

I'm not :-(

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you found a new friend

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JEDIDIAH__:

flash is a pig either way. don't think composite is going to help enough to matter.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: the flash video decoders arent half bad

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wagnerrp:

flash is a complete pig because it does all compositing in software

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wagnerrp:

they enabled opengl for use in flash back in 2008

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wagnerrp:

but no one allows their players to actually use it

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wagnerrp:

if they did, all the problems with heavy CPU consumption for otherwise trivial video playback would be a non-issue

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JEDIDIAH__:

sounds a lot like communism.

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JEDIDIAH__:

flash itself has even newer/better improvements that aren't widely used yet.

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JEDIDIAH__:

of course a lot of webmasters are probably suffering from "lowest common denominator" type thinking.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...all in all, it's a good argument for "external" video players in general.

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, id rather have flash than realplayer

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sphery:

wagnerrp: new friend?

[17:26:05]

wagnerrp:

udo replied to the closed ticket you commented on

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i replied properly in the -dev list

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I knew that was going to stir him

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sphery:

yeah, I see, now... funny--he's now complaining that his solution broke it

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wagnerrp:

i think he was being facetious

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wagnerrp:

commenting on how its actually displaying a number, rather than being locked at 100%

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sphery:

no, before, he complained that it said 400%

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sphery:

he thought it should say 100%

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sphery:

oooh, #9518 is awesome

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iamlindoro:

Should probably note it needs a reconfigure

[17:34:50]

sphery:

heh, wow, #9518 is close, now

[17:34:58]

sphery:

it's like I speak and people do my bidding...

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sphery:

I am the kind of the channel!

[17:35:07]

sphery:

er, king

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sphery:

not of spelling, though

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yes, that sounds nice!!! ;-)

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sphery:

seems users are upset that iamlindoro removed the ability to download video metadata from the 'net in 0.24

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iamlindoro:

Wait til you see what I do in .25

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iamlindoro:

I'm going to remove the ability to play the videos

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sphery:

heh

[19:05:34]

iamlindoro:

MythVideo will become a list of text that you enter yourself

[19:05:35]

sphery:

well, that seems to be a very unnecessary action, anyway

[19:05:38]

iamlindoro:

It's going to be awesome

[19:05:39]

wagnerrp:

'how am i supposed to use mythtv if i cant call mplayer????'

[19:05:40]

sphery:

after all, when everyone

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kormoc:

The most user friendly interface is a rock. there's no surprises there

[19:05:51]

sphery:

's buying Atom-based frontends that can't play back their content...

[19:06:08]

kormoc:

indeed

[19:06:31]

sphery:

so removing the ability to play videos would finally make Atom systems just as good for MythTV as any other

[19:06:40]

sphery:

about time someone helped out the green crowd

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wagnerrp:

'i have to use an external player, since mythtv cannot handle my 300-file rar archive'

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kormoc:

sphery, I like the guy's reply to my "You're not saving any money" mail. Rather then being grownup and giving his parents some money to cover bills he rather spend a few hundred to save them a few watts

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

but this way he gets a toy

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kormoc:

if I had a kid that could afford a mythbox and a SSD, to the curb they'd go

[19:07:46]

sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

There's a reason why I'm not ever going to be a parent

[19:07:58]

JEDIDIAH__:

Up until 0.23, I used my external player to watch broadcast recordings that crashed the internal player.

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kormoc:

and it took until 0.23 for us to fix it because we never knew certain broadcast recordings crashed the internal player

[19:10:38]

sphery:

kormoc: This is why I keep saying you need to become the MythTV world ambassador. Pack up your Mac Mini system and travel the world to every single broadcast market in every single country and record shows from every single channel and test them out. After all, how else are we going to find video that causes our player trouble?

[19:10:52]

kormoc:

Indeed

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JEDIDIAH__:

put up an antenna.

[19:11:02]

kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, Already do

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wagnerrp:

a really big one

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kormoc:

I should use the space needle as a antenna!

[19:11:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

JEDIDIAH__: And how would he test DVB-T and DVB-S streams from other countries?

[19:11:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: there ya go. ;-)

[19:11:52]

sphery:

Guess we could go to the island in LOST, which seems to have some surprising reception anomalies. That way we could even test recordings from shows in other times.

[19:11:58]

JEDIDIAH__:

there you go wag. very nice avoidance methodology that not all of us can employ.

[19:12:05]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: thats what the really big antenna is for

[19:12:06]

sphery:

anyone here know Charles Widmore?

[19:12:32]

kormoc:

sphery, I also like how VLC is slaughtering supported video codecs now. They're dropping dozens of 'broken' formats each release that we support, but hey, Mythtv is the one that has the troubles playing back videos!

[19:12:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I knew a 'Chuck' in High-School, but I don't think his last name was "Windmore". ;-)

[19:12:51]

** kormoc blinks at JEDIDIAH__ **

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kormoc:

you really come across as a extremely bitter old man

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sphery:

kormoc: heh, I didn't realize they were doing that. Might explain the thread about how VLC couldn't play some recordings

[19:13:21]

sphery:

where the users said that it's because mythtv backend changed how it's writing the digital recordings

[19:13:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

wow — and here I thought VLC could play *anything*....

[19:13:37]

JEDIDIAH__:

I chimed in on that one.

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sphery:

maybe they're just focusing on stolen videos...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they claimed they were digital broadcast recordings

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JEDIDIAH__:

yeah... because it's all about piracy.

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, 1.0.5 dropped support for my Sony Digital camera's mpeg-2 videos

[19:14:24]

wagnerrp:

and doing a lossless 'transcode' to convert them to PS file fixed playback

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sphery:

(I have no reason to believe that they are or that they are better at playing pirated content than other players, but just making a comment about how that seems to be what many people want supported.)

[19:14:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Jeepers...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yep, and now mythtv backend writes the digital broadcast recordings differently so vlc can't play them

[19:15:28]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, if it's not mkv containers, they don't care anymore

[19:15:31]

wagnerrp:

has anything changed in how we wrote them since switching away from nuvs?

[19:15:40]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, when I submitted a bug report they told me to use handbreak to fix it

[19:15:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: grr... that's annoying.

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JEDIDIAH__:

sound like you got a taste of your own medicine.

[19:16:13]

sphery:

wagnerrp: no... that was what was surprising about the comment

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sphery:

we just dump the data to disk

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, I really hope you just leave someday

[19:16:46]

wagnerrp:

you transcode to support limited hardware, you replace or fix limited software

[19:16:47]

sphery:

they mentioned something about a change from PS to TS, but we write what we get, so...

[19:17:16]

kormoc:

the PS/TS was only changed due to certain cards reporting they could handle both but actually only spit out one no matter the setting, no?

[19:17:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... maybe he was here yesterday with a different nic?

[19:17:31]

kormoc:

(and was only affecting ivtv cards?)

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sphery:

kormoc: they were talking digital broadcast

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wagnerrp:

i thought ivtv cards all defaulted to PS

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sphery:

and, we dropped ts for ivtv because it had no advantages for our usage, and only made recordings larger

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kormoc:

ahh, that's what it was

[19:18:39]

sphery:

but we did support users changing ivtv to use ts for a while

[19:18:49]

kormoc:

I wonder if there's a good formula for compression to time

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JEDIDIAH__:

how much bigger did it make the recordings?

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sphery:

maybe some of the early ivtv did better with ts or something

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sphery:

about 15% IIRC

[19:19:17]

kormoc:

ts allowed you to jump around pretty easily, no?

[19:19:32]

sphery:

TTBOMK, it's a format designed for unstable links, so it includes additional info for error correction

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wagnerrp:

TS allows a recording to be chopped up at will

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wagnerrp:

you can start at any point, rather than having to have a complete file

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sphery:

i.e. good for broadcast, but unnecessary when going from main memory to HDD

[19:20:25]

wagnerrp:

you get significant overhead from continually reprinting the stream information

[19:20:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: that's how I understand it too...

[19:21:30]

sphery:

heh, MythTV is on wikipedia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_transport_stream page

[19:21:58]

sphery:

"Programs that open TS files" ... Maybe they need to remove VLC from that list, now :_

[19:21:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: ha! ;-) I was just heading to wikipedia to find a page on TS... ;-)

[19:22:29]

sphery:

heh, yeah. any time I say something that I'm not positive about, I have to look for information so I can retract my statement if I'm wrong

[19:23:07]

sphery:

seems it's error correction + what wagnerrp said, but I don't see any mention of size difference compared to PS

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wagnerrp:

10–15% sounds about right

[19:24:30]

wagnerrp:

that accounts for the discrepancy in filesizes after i clip my recordings

[19:24:51]

wagnerrp:

ill clip out 30% of the show, but the file will be 40% smaller

[19:25:23]

kormoc:

clip and convert to PS?

[19:25:51]

wagnerrp:

pretty sure mythtranscode (replex) outputs PS files

[19:26:10]

kormoc:

so I got another request for mythweb ebulds (and nuvexport ebuilds)

[19:26:14]

wagnerrp:

either that, or my local broadcasters run the ads at higher bitrates than the rest of the show

[19:26:26]

kormoc:

I wonder if I should just do one as folks seem to really want it

[19:26:34]

sphery:

kormoc: e-copies?

[19:26:42]

wagnerrp:

i still dont understand why you would want a mythweb ebuild

[19:26:48]

wagnerrp:

or an ebuild for any web application

[19:26:55]

sphery:

ebuild-build

[19:26:59]

sphery:

= e

[19:27:24]

** kormoc shrugs **

[19:27:40]

JEDIDIAH__:

I have noticed cable channels where the commercials look much better than the shows. Looks like HD for the commercials and bad SD for the shows.

[19:27:54]

wagnerrp:

at least php ones, you copy it into youre web root, and.... youre done

[19:28:14]

sphery:

so giving a link to code a user could virtually copy/paste into MythTV to get the new feature they want isn't enough to get them to do a patch

[19:28:30]

sphery:

instead, frwop

[19:28:33]

kormoc:

yeah... I really want to just standardize on .htaccess files and dump the .conf ones, it's configuration overhead we just don't need

[19:28:54]

sphery:

didn't we move off .htaccess before?

[19:28:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

JEDIDIAH__: That's what happens when you watch TV shows from the 70's and 80's.

[19:29:00]

kormoc:

sphery, aye

[19:29:14]

sphery:

so everything that's old is new again?

[19:29:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

or 90s.

[19:29:24]

kormoc:

sphery, it was xris' call and I never agreed with it

[19:29:29]

sphery:

ahhh

[19:29:34]

JEDIDIAH__:

Although some of my personal stuff is even older. Looks much better too.

[19:29:47]

sphery:

I don't know apache well enough to know what's best

[19:29:49]

sphery:

just wondered

[19:30:09]

kormoc:

sphery, it's one of those micro optimizations that you'll never tell the difference from

[19:30:15]

sphery:

ahhh

[19:30:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

JEDIDIAH__: Yeah, but watch an episode of "A-Team" or "Simon & Simon", and you'll say to yourself "Wow, I didn't think it was so blurry back then..."

[19:30:39]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: is .htaccess read at apache load, or page serve?

[19:30:47]

JEDIDIAH__:

You must be too young to have watched TV back in those days.

[19:31:04]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: agreed... I've been trying to figure out if it's relative difference or if it's degredation of film/source material or ...

[19:31:19]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, page load

[19:31:25]

sphery:

it seems that '90s shows tend to look today like '70s shows looked in the '90s

[19:31:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

JEDIDIAH__: No, I'm actually 42... ;-) Just young @ heart... ;-)

[19:32:00]

sphery:

kormoc: and can you get support for the "other" httpds? (lighttpd and nginx and ...)

[19:32:13]

wagnerrp:

i remember thinking the special effects on tv shows in the 90s looked impressive

[19:32:15]

sphery:

or does it require different .htaccesses

[19:32:15]

kormoc:

sphery, heh, nah, they need the config files, but who cares! ;)

[19:32:21]

sphery:

heh

[19:32:24]

sphery:

works for me

[19:32:37]

kormoc:

we have upnp detection in mythweb now

[19:32:40]

sphery:

after all, I'm one of those strange people who tries to choose the right tool for any job

[19:32:55]

kormoc:

there's even less of a reason to prevent drop and run functionality imho

[19:33:02]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: when you detect once, do you store it to the htaccess for further use?

[19:33:11]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, negative, we detect each time

[19:33:20]

wagnerrp:

that doesnt take a lot of time?

[19:33:22]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, it'll be cached "soon"

[19:33:27]

wagnerrp:

ah

[19:33:36]

JEDIDIAH__:

depends on the show. Some were better than others. all had to deal with pretty tight time and money constraints. (effects)

[19:33:36]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, locally, negative.

[19:33:57]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I can't tell when I'm on upnp or not with mythweb on the same machine

[19:34:24]

sphery:

so, I'm struggling with how much I can change a user-submitted patch...

[19:34:36]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, but we're also only using the first one. The plan is to , on first run, detect all, give a list, user picks, it's cached until it can't connect and then goes back to detect all and give a list

[19:34:49]

sphery:

trying to figure out if I should do a commit of a basically unmodified patch with --author and then another commit with my changes on top or ...

[19:34:55]

wagnerrp:

or until a server reboot

[19:35:00]

kormoc:

sphery, sed -e '/.*//'

[19:35:02]

wagnerrp:

or is this a persistent cache?

[19:35:11]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, persistent cache was the plan

[19:35:41]

kormoc:

likely a proto mismatch will also trigger a full re-scan

[19:35:47]

sphery:

I think I'm going to do 2 commits so that it's got better attribution

[19:35:51]

JEDIDIAH__:

why is it a big deal? just commit the original and the patch. seems like not much of a bother.

[19:36:31]

kormoc:

sphery, aye, do two

[19:38:08]

sphery:

I'll just comment out the things that can't be executed or will cause problems

[19:38:29]

sphery:

(i.e. puts a key binding into a different context from the one I want)

[19:38:50]

kormoc:

if you do it as a single push, it shouldn't matter, no?

[19:39:48]

sphery:

shouldn't, but I don't like the idea of having a revision where if a user pulled it for some strange reason they'd make things ugly :)

[19:40:02]

kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff

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appamatto:

Hello. I'm thinking about setting up a computer with mythtv. Right now I have a couple of problems: my TV has no guide and it takes around 2 or 3 seconds to change the channel, even though it's a new Toshiba HDTV. Will mythtv be able to help with these?

[19:53:49]

wagnerrp:

in some ways

[19:54:34]

wagnerrp:

channel change times of a couple seconds is just a consequence of a digital tuner, and unavoidable

[19:54:52]

wagnerrp:

but with a DVR, the intent is that you watch recorded content, rather than channel surfing

[19:55:29]

appamatto:

Do you still change channels using the computer?

[19:55:56]

wagnerrp:

depends on where youre recording from

[19:56:11]

wagnerrp:

if youre using a tuner, the computer and the tuner card changes channels directly

[19:56:35]

wagnerrp:

if youre using video capture with an external tuner, like a cable or satellite box, you need to send a signal to the box to change the channel

[19:56:44]

wagnerrp:

over IR, serial, firewire, or ethernet

[19:57:41]

wagnerrp:

youre connected through linode, where are you actually located?

[19:57:49]

wagnerrp:

north america? europe? australia?

[19:57:50]

appamatto:

I'm in TX

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wagnerrp:

in north america, broadcast guide data is pretty poor

[19:58:13]

JEDIDIAH__:

any PVR will have the same channel change delay, as will a digital cable box.

[19:58:26]

wagnerrp:

most times, you only get the current and next show

[19:58:29]

appamatto:

I don't have a cable box, I just have the cable coming through the wall

[19:58:35]

wagnerrp:

some places ive heard as much as a day

[19:58:47]

wagnerrp:

you would sign up for an account on Schedules Direct

[19:58:57]

wagnerrp:

$20/yr, for guide data two weeks out

[19:59:11]

appamatto:

Hmm, surprised there isn't an open databes

[19:59:22]

wagnerrp:

there was, it got abused

[19:59:39]

wagnerrp:

zap2it used to provide guide data for non-commercial use

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JEDIDIAH__:

HDHR seems to change channels quick enough but I've never timed it. Been a PVR user for a long time and I stopped fixating on the channel change delay a long time ago.

[19:59:48]

wagnerrp:

but it was abused by commercial entities, and shut down

[20:00:17]

wagnerrp:

so schedulesdirect was set up by the community to license the data from Tribune Media Services (the company who ran zap2it) for a nominal fee

[20:00:39]

appamatto:

So would it make sense to split the cable and have one going directly to my TV and the other going to my mythtv box?

[20:00:43]

JEDIDIAH__:

interestingly enough, the elgato annual fee for guide data is about the same.

[20:01:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

are you using a cable card?

[20:01:14]

appamatto:

I don't have a box, I need to go buy a tuner card

[20:01:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

cable card isn't a box.

[20:01:31]

wagnerrp:

youre using digital cable?

[20:01:48]

appamatto:

Yes, it has digital and analog I think

[20:02:06]

wagnerrp:

analog cable, you want an MPEG encoder

[20:02:18]

wagnerrp:

a cheap PVR-150/500, or a newer HVR-1600 or HVR-2250

[20:02:30]

wagnerrp:

digital cable, there are plenty of digital tuners that will work

[20:02:33]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

[20:03:23]

wagnerrp:

however tuners will only be usable with unencryted content

[20:03:56]

wagnerrp:

if your toshiba tv has a cablecard that you are using for digital cable, you will not be able to view those channels

[20:04:16]

wagnerrp:

if your toshiba tv only has a clear qam tuner, that you are using with unencrypted digital cable, a digital tuner with mythtv can access all those channels

[20:04:46]

uW:

i have the hvr-1600 and its pretty good

[20:04:57]

JEDIDIAH__:

a cheap qam tuner, perhaps USB might be a good first start here. Just plug it into one of your PCs and try things out.

[20:09:40]

wagnerrp:

you can find decent enough QAM tuners for $30-$40 retail

[20:10:21]

appamatto:

wagnerrp, I have a terrible vision of my computer making tons of noise sitting next to my tv :p

[20:10:30]

wagnerrp:

note that all tuners will give you the same exact video

[20:10:42]

wagnerrp:

so for capture, one tuner is as good as the next

[20:10:51]

wagnerrp:

some will have better tuners, but that will only be needed for broadcast

[20:10:57]

sphery:

I put my 3 MythTV boxes in a different room and ran a video cable and speaker cables through the wall

[20:11:45]

sphery:

(My A/V receiver is also in the other room. My entertainment center consists exclusively of a screen and speakers--everything else is "invisible" and quiet as possible--since they're not even in the viewing room.)

[20:12:01]

sphery:

closets also work well

[20:12:05]

appamatto:

Hmm, how can I tell if I'm using encrypted channels?

[20:13:04]

appamatto:

I hope these tuners don't require PCI-e, since my video card is in that slot

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J-e-f-f-A:

appamatto: Which tuners? PVR-150/500 are standard PCI – the HVR-2250 is PCIe – and IIRC, the 1600 is standard PCI. </me checks>

[20:41:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

appamatto: yep, 1600 is PCI.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I guess I could figure out the time spent recording buy doing max() and min() on overlapping recordings, but it's a rough query (Re stats)

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wagnerrp:

appamatto: if you are not renting a card from your cable company that looks like a PCMCIA card for a laptop, you are not using encrypted channels on your tv

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: does mythweb still have any issues regarding forwarding to a different port?

[21:01:05]

kormoc:

not that I know of

[21:02:09]

wagnerrp:

the wiki user i was complaining about is back, doing edits on mythweb now

[21:02:21]

** kormoc blinks **

[21:02:24]

kormoc:

url?

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wagnerrp:

he make a new 'Usage' section... http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb#Usage

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kormoc:

Wow... he's extremely.... something...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, he's using :80, the same port that http:// means

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** kormoc blinks at "Notably, if you're accessing a linux systems (ubuntu/kubuntu/etc), change these files: /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny." **

[21:06:11]

sphery:

I didn't realize that MythWeb was using tcp wrappers

[21:06:53]

tgm4883:

who's doing this?

[21:07:42]

sphery:

I've always wondered why tcp wrappers is installed everywhere, when the author basically abandoned it and no one seems to have picked it up and made it a modern, supported package

[21:07:56]

sphery:

tgm4883: see the mythweb wiki page wagnerrp linked

[21:08:00]

sphery:

was just a user editingit

[21:08:48]

sphery:

(and, yes, regarding tcp wrappers, I know that Debian is patching it to make it compile, but it's far from a modern, well-supported package)

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sphery:

heh, #9526

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sphery:

don't see how MythTV can break DNS name resolution

[21:12:22]

kormoc:

sphery, I *knew* we shouldn't have required bind as a run time dep

[21:12:25]

sphery:

only potential way that could happen is with a DoS

[21:12:41]

sphery:

and since we don't support use of DNS/hostnames (but only of IP addresses)...

[21:13:16]

sphery:

of course, if you have to type in IP address numbers, that's very much going against the principle of keepitsimpleengineering

[21:13:47]

sphery:

ah, and a .7z attachment

[21:13:48]

sphery:

fun

[21:15:14]

sphery:

I'll let someone else who actually has 7zip look to see if he's configuring with a hostname where it explicitly says "IP address"

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kormoc:

sphery, p7zip is cross platform and GPL friendly iirc?

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kormoc:

sphery, nah, he's using ips

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sphery:

yeah, it's not so much the license that I dislike about 7zip (LGPL, but also with parts under the RAR license), but the design/Windows philosophy

[21:23:06]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: are you going to backport a0fcdbbc8ae4 to 0.24?

[21:23:23]

wagnerrp:

thats the filemarkup stuff

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kormoc:

nothing in his logs indicates any problems

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kormoc:

other then failure to connect to the master back end

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sphery:

So, when you have an undo list, should it say, "Undo – Move Next Cut Start Here," when you won't be where you were when you selected "Move Next Cut Start Here" or should it just say, "Undo – Move Mark"?

[21:25:19]

sphery:

i.e. do you want to use the exact words used when they did the initial action or generalize them?

[21:25:34]

sphery:

I'd think exact words would be better for helping people remember what exactly they did

[21:25:43]

sphery:

but I'm not a UI guy, so...

[21:26:47]

sphery:

Failure to Connect... That was the one with Matthew McConaughey, right?

[21:28:25]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: for trunk, it doesnt matter since ill just use the scanner in the backend

[21:28:37]

wagnerrp:

but im wondering if i should have a similar fix for 0.24 in the python bindings

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kormoc:

sphery, sad... pbzip2 doesn't look to use mutliple procs to decompress

[21:51:42]

sphery:

does plzip -d use multiple threads/procs?

[21:51:51]

kormoc:

donno, testing that now

[21:52:18]

sphery:

seemed for my with lzip -d, I was I/O bound, anyway

[21:52:24]

sphery:

s/my/me/

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sphery:

So, here's a complex one... When we a user decides to revert changes during editing a recording, we use the term, "Undo changes". Adding an undo menu entry for that would be, "Undo – Undo changes", seems wierd

[21:55:00]

kormoc:

Redo Changes

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sphery:

he currently has Undo – Load Cut List (which is undoing how we revert changes, but likely to be confusing to the user... "I didn't load a cut list.")

[21:55:38]

sphery:

well, we also have a Redo menu

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kormoc:

ha

[21:55:53]

sphery:

so Redo changes would likely get confusing there

[21:56:11]

sphery:

I'm definitely overthinking these strings, but...

[21:56:14]

kormoc:

Abandon all hope ye who enter

[21:56:23]

sphery:

besides, they can always be improved later

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I do despise backporting, I must say, but I don't have a solid reason it shouldn't be

[21:58:06]

sphery:

but git cherry-pick -x is so fun

[21:58:50]

sphery:

then compiling, uninstalling the dev MythTV, installing -fixes, restoring a -fixes DB, then testing makes it so much more fun

[22:01:12]

iamlindoro:

I was making so much progress on MythTV this afternoon, then poof

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: You turned into a frog? ;-)

[22:14:26]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: maybe if you kiss him...

[22:14:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: ewww.... I don't think so!!!!!!

[22:15:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

where's meshe shen you need her? ;-)

[22:15:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

s/shen/when/ ;-)

[22:15:45]

sphery:

but I thought it had to be a prince

[22:16:01]

sphery:

stupid Disney... failing to prepare me for real life

[22:16:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

HA!

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[22:16:26]

** skd5aner has his mythtv systems back online **

[22:16:30]

skd5aner:

24 days

[22:16:35]

sphery:

yay

[22:16:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: What happened?

[22:16:44]

sphery:

I can't imagine being MythTV-less for 24 days

[22:16:45]

skd5aner:

All is well again in the world!

[22:17:04]

skd5aner:

sphery: I was telling the wife, that since 2004, this is the first "major" outage I've had

[22:17:26]

skd5aner:

everything else has been minor stuff, a few days here or there due to hardware failure or cable issues, etc

[22:17:37]

sphery:

last time I had a major hardware failure on my MythTV systems, I took down a separate computer I had (the internal server with all my network-internal services) to replace it

[22:17:46]

skd5aner:

not bad for a consumer home built option with 0 SLA :)

[22:18:01]

sphery:

was easier doing without my normal network stuff than without mythtv

[22:18:04]

iamlindoro:

Sigh, John Pilkington

[22:18:22]

skd5aner:

sphery: well, I did have my other motherboard fail, but it was sporatic, started going out once a month, then once a week, then a few times a week, then a few times a day

[22:18:30]

skd5aner:

sphery: I knew at that point to get a replacement

[22:18:38]

iamlindoro:

"Attempts have been made in the past by me and others to draw attention to these problems and a I remember one other cut-down .iso being posted, but in the end it seems simpler to accept that this isn't a matter of great importance or interest in the dev world and just use the unpolished product as is – or use another player."

[22:18:39]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[22:18:50]

skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: I had the mobo fail (it was only 3 months old)

[22:19:03]

skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: and a Hard Drive was starting to fail (wouldn't power up)

[22:19:10]

iamlindoro:

Never mind the cut down ISO in question is now gone, every timed he has opened older than December has been fixed, and that he has gotten tons and tons of attention for his problems

[22:19:14]

iamlindoro:

we're STILL the jerks

[22:19:20]

iamlindoro:

er every ticket

[22:19:53]

iamlindoro:

If anyone wondered why we don't triage tickets more often, THIS is why-- we have to justify, fight, and argue our way through every single closed ticket

[22:20:02]

sphery:

well, it's not like anyone else can fix it... I mean, our source code is only available for perusal to those who have signed our super-restrictive NDA

[22:20:12]

iamlindoro:

Even when the issue is almost certainly fixed and the sample has long since gone missing

[22:20:24]

skd5aner:

sphery: the MBE acts as a server for a few other things, so it was really frustrating to say the least – and I'm VERY sick of commercials again

[22:20:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: ouch. yeah, my only major failure since my start in 2005 was when I ran a software raid5, and had two drives die – one the 'click of death', the other silently failed when I attempted to cold-start to replace the COD drive... grrr...

[22:20:46]

skd5aner:

Now I hope hulu has a lot of shows I've missed that last few weeks

[22:21:20]

sphery:

skd5aner: heh, good luck with Hulu "We don't want your business, you hippies" .com

[22:21:42]

sphery:

they seem to be blocking all versions of Flash prior to 10.2

[22:22:02]

skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: yea, that's frustrating – I'm not worried about data failure – all my important stuff is backed up (but woudl be very irritating) and I ahve spare drives sitting around – but a bad motherboard, I was at the mercy of the turn-around time of gigabyte's service department (on the other side of the country)

[22:22:09]

sphery:

and since Adobe killed the GNU/Linux x86_64 Flash...

[22:22:14]

skd5aner:

so 4–5 days ground one way, 4–5 days ground back

[22:22:23]

sphery:

haven't tried with a pre-alpha or alpha or beta of 10.2

[22:22:36]

skd5aner:

sphery: I've got 10.2 "square"

[22:22:46]

skd5aner:

seems to work when I tested it in late Dec.

[22:22:48]

sphery:

not for x86_64, right?

[22:22:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: ah... I've got a few 'spare' motherboards around, so I'd be back up relatively quickly, but slower cpu/mem. ;-)

[22:23:05]

sphery:

they seem to have removed it before it went final

[22:23:06]

skd5aner:

sphery: for x86_64

[22:23:15]

sphery:

then it's a pre-alpha/alpha/beta

[22:23:23]

skd5aner:

I think alpha

[22:23:35]

sphery:

Adobe is so evil

[22:23:50]

sphery:

don't get why they don't continue to make it available after the development period

[22:23:56]

sphery:

and why they keep cancelling it

[22:23:59]

skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: I've got a few motherboards around, but hard to just throw them in as a temporary thing

[22:24:11]

sphery:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html

[22:24:16]

skd5aner:

sphery: yea, didn't know they cancelled square?

[22:24:19]

sphery:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/

[22:24:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: Right, but 24 days? ;-) I would have done it the 1st day. ;-)

[22:24:30]

hashbang:

sphery: probably because they don't want to carry on shipping something with known security vulnerabilities?

[22:24:35]

sphery:

no, they cancelled GNU/Linux x86_64 flash

[22:24:36]

sphery:

again

[22:24:54]

skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: heh – yea, come to think of it though, my only spare that woudl support my # of drives was the flakey one

[22:25:02]

sphery:

hashbang: what difference is there between x86_64 10.2 and x86_32 10.2?

[22:25:07]

hashbang:

sphery: TBH, I'd just be quite happy if they auto-built x86_64 versions in step with the x86 version, and it just broke from time to time

[22:25:29]

sphery:

well, they don't even have the 64-bit ones available, now

[22:25:37]

skd5aner:

On the flip side, I did discover a few interested shows cause I was watching live tv via the STB ;)

[22:25:47]

sphery:

unless you google, find the name of an old one they used to ship, and then try to plug that file name into their download link

[22:25:54]

** skd5aner is an evil, naughty live tv advocate ;) **

[22:26:20]

sphery:

only means you're not doing enough recording rules

[22:26:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: "Live TV"??? What's that??? ;-)

[22:26:41]

sphery:

i.e. you should have been recording those shows from the start and decide later whether to watch/continue recording :)

[22:26:46]

hashbang:

sphery: the x86_64 version is 10.2.161.23, the x86 version is 10.2.152.14

[22:26:57]

skd5aner:

also, I love my Nevo Q50 remote even more now... I've started putting in z-wave dimmer switches for my lighting, and now my remote can control my lights :D

[22:27:07]

sphery:

hashbang: where is this x86_64 version? it's not on their web site

[22:27:13]

sphery:

Important: Flash Player 10.2 does not replace the Flash Player "Square" preview release. To test native 64-bit browser support, please visit the Flash Player "Square" preview page for more information

[22:27:28]

hashbang:

sphery: I've got a copy from when it was available

[22:27:35]

skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: it's this thing, where lots of shows exist, that you'd otherwise never discover because you were locked into what you limited yourself to in your recording schedules ;)

[22:27:42]

sphery:

oh, wait, seems you can get there at http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/square/

[22:28:09]

sphery:

111710

[22:28:26]

skd5aner:

sphery: truth be told, it's hard enough to keep up with what I do record because I do want to watch a lot... but there are several shows, including ones on PBS, that I'm not going to ever learn about any other way than to constantly be looking at hte guide in advance I guess?

[22:28:37]

sphery:

10_2_p3

[22:28:49]

skd5aner:

sphery: : yes, that's what I was referring to

[22:29:21]

hashbang:

sphery: that's the older 10.1 x86_64 version

[22:29:21]

sphery:

yeah, their web site kept linking the old page at http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html, which linked the normal download page

[22:29:39]

skd5aner:

yea, they cancelled that in June or something last year?

[22:29:42]

sphery:

took forever to find the one with a 64-bit download

[22:29:49]

skd5aner:

I think Square came out in ~Sept?

[22:30:01]

sphery:

wait, 10_2_p3 is 10.1?

[22:30:32]

skd5aner:

don't recall

[22:31:04]

hashbang:

sphery: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flash . . . 92710.tar.gz

[22:31:49]

skd5aner:

heh – 47 mythbackend 6 0 2011-01–28 17:15:16 hercules MythBackend started as master server

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skd5aner:

48 scheduler 6 0 2011-01–03 05:04:08 hercules Scheduled items Scheduled 2280 items in 7.7 = 3.48 match + 4.26 place

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skd5aner:

2011-01–03 05:04:08 to 2011-01–28 17:15:16 – sequential mythtv log entries ;)

[22:34:03]

skd5aner:

sphery: what's the recommend mythfilldatabase option for getting all updates?

[22:34:27]

iamlindoro:

--dd-grab-all

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skd5aner:

thx

[22:36:52]

justinh:

1138

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J-e-f-f-A:

5:38 ;-)

[22:37:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: hope you're not still @ work... DOH!

[22:38:19]

hashbang:

sphery: hmmm, looks like your version is newer

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hashbang:

10.3.162.29

[22:38:52]

sphery:

yeah, they're definitely making it hard to find stuff, now

[22:38:54]

justinh:

nah I left work a fair few hours ago :)

[22:38:56]

sphery:

all this rearranging

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hashbang:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5943#comment:7 # can anyone give a steer on this?

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Nede:

hi chat

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kormoc:

Such a caring personal greeting! Wowzers!

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J-e-f-f-A:

!seen chat

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MythLogBot:

chat has not been seen here

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[22:46:27]

Nede:

I understood this: the user "alice" myth-frontend launch, watch tv, I have the audio but no video.

[22:46:27]

Nede:

If you launch the frontend user "sergio" all ok!

[22:46:27]

Nede:

OS: Ubuntu 10.04

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nede: sounds like your 'alice' user does not have access to the audio hardware, but 'sergio' does... Thus a permissions issue. Why not just use a dedicated 'mythtv' user?

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** J-e-f-f-A heads home. ;-) **

[22:52:05]

Nede:

J-e-f-f-A: Audio is ok. Video broken. Group video is checked!

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JEDIDIAH__:

Yes. What's up with the sergio and alice routine?

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justinh:

sounds like a video in the making

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appamatto:

Hey. Just picked up an HVR-1600. Is the 8-pin power connector necessary?

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appamatto:

Is mythbuntu the way to go?

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justinh:

appamatto: mythbuntu guys say so

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appamatto:

justinh, hehe

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appamatto:

I guess I'll give it a try.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: How can you close a "dvd buttons don't always display properly" ticket before you've tested every single DVD in existence? Or did you do some testing I don't know about. ;)

[23:08:33]

appamatto:

Any idea about the power connector on the HVR-1600?

[23:08:51]

Beirdo:

hehehe.

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sphery:

absence of proof isn't proof and all

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Beirdo:

makes ya wanna drink some overproof booze, I tell ya

[23:09:56]

sphery:

Dear world: Please send a copy of all your self-copyrighted DVDs, and the original of all your commercial DVDs, to iamlindoro so he can test them and get the ticket closed.

[23:10:24]

Beirdo:

all DVDs will remain the property of iamlindoro.

[23:10:25]

sphery:

at least this way, people don't have to lose thier home movies--just any DVD they've every purchased

[23:10:25]

Beirdo:

:)

[23:10:34]

sphery:

yep

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Beirdo:

sounds like a good way to get him a nice collection too :)

[23:10:55]

sphery:

his house would look like the section of the garbage asteroid with AOL CDs

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Beirdo:

hehe

[23:12:20]

Beirdo:

those things made nice beer coasters

[23:12:37]

Beirdo:

just put little rubber feet on the bottom

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JEDIDIAH__:

did that guy ever say what DVDs were causing the problem?

[23:15:07]

Beirdo:

now why would he do that?

[23:15:18]

Beirdo:

that only makes sense :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

bet it's Pink Floyd.

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sphery:

he mentioned mytharchive-made ones

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Beirdo:

hey look. two simultaneous A-Team recordings today

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JEDIDIAH__:

sounds like they promptly escaped from the Sleuth netwwork.

[23:20:38]

JEDIDIAH__:

are they at least different shows?

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Beirdo:

yup

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JEDIDIAH__:

I've had guide data issues cause dupes.

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JEDIDIAH__:

cable vs. broadcast, different network affiliates in the same area.

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Beirdo:

yeah, this is Centric and RTV

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blizzard_:

does anyone know if it's possible to install mythfrontend on the dlink boxee hardware?

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tank-man:

why do that?

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tank-man:

why not just use a normal pc

[23:29:36]

blizzard_:

I need a cheap small piece of hardware to run as a frontend in the bedroom

[23:30:12]

blizzard_:

and if possible, the boxee hardware is quiet a bargin for that amount of money

[23:31:01]

blizzard_:

I used to think that the zotac zbox + mem + ir + usb stick was the best bang for the buck...

[23:31:09]

sphery:

cheap is as cheap does

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blizzard_:

ues

[23:31:25]

blizzard_:

yes

[23:31:26]

sphery:

(in other words, you likely get what you pay for)

[23:31:36]

blizzard_:

yep

[23:32:01]

blizzard_:

ie a purpous buildt box with slow processor

[23:32:07]

blizzard_:

hardware acceleration for video

[23:32:14]

blizzard_:

ie, precisly what I want

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sphery:

slow processor and likely very little ram

[23:32:42]

blizzard_:

doesnt matter as long as it can play video

[23:32:48]

JEDIDIAH__:

boxxee is $200. An ion is $270.

[23:32:48]

tank-man:

how do you know you want it, you are still wondering if it runs gnu/linux or mythfrontend

[23:32:51]

blizzard_:

its the only purpous

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sphery:

mythfrontend requires quite a bit of ram to hold all the theme images

[23:33:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

plus the boxee box is oddly shapped.

[23:33:10]

blizzard_:

yep, got the zbox at the moment, and im really satisfied with it

[23:34:57]

sphery:

are you talk8ing about the tegra 2 one?

[23:35:06]

sphery:

if so, can you even get video drivers for it?

[23:35:21]

JEDIDIAH__:

I have an asrock 330 in the bedroom. It was pretty cheap when I got it but no so much now.

[23:35:44]

blizzard_:

jedi: looked at that one

[23:35:56]

JEDIDIAH__:

normal linux support for arm socs would be real cool.

[23:36:08]

blizzard_:

but went for the zbox instead

[23:36:15]

blizzard_:

newer, better and cheaper =)

[23:36:16]

JEDIDIAH__:

PC makes don't seem interested in making cheap gear.

[23:36:22]

JEDIDIAH__:

PC maker don't seem interested in making cheap gear.

[23:37:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

there's very little to distinguish an ION besides price.

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blizzard_:

http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_wra . . . &lang=nd

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blizzard_:

thats my current frontend

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blizzard_:

booting on a usb stick

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have a complete Zotac system on order.

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JEDIDIAH__:

also have a giada that LJ recently reviewed.

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's a shame the $200 revo got discontinued

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im not saying it should or shouldnt be, just that if you do, ill follow suit

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JEDIDIAH__:

why not boot the Zotac off of an SD card Blizz?

[23:45:22]

wagnerrp:

appamatto: the HVR-1600 does not have a power connector

[23:45:38]

wagnerrp:

if you plug any sort of power supply into it, you /will/ destroy it

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sphery:

weird

[23:46:13]

sphery:

commit messages for my 3 commits came in in a different order from commit

[23:46:44]

sphery:

came across #mythtv-commits in order, so it may just be the limitations of SMTP date resolution

[23:48:02]

sphery:

forgot the --author

[23:48:24]

sphery:

whole reason I separated the commits

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blizzard_:

Jed: had a usb stick laying around when I played with it

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blizzard_:

first idea was to use NFS boot

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blizzard_:

but had some problems with the kernel compile or something so just to get it running I prepped the USB stick...

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blizzard_:

and as usual, temporary solutions tends to turn into permanent solutions...

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