Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, January 22nd, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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k-man:

wagnerrp: i just rebuilt and installed mythfrontend, made it crash, reran gdb and i still get that warning

[00:02:06]

k-man:

reran gdb on the new core file that is

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k-man:

hmm.. even though i did a make install, the mythfrontend binary seems to be old

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k-man:

is it bad that make install strips the binary?

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k-man:

or does it?

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wagnerrp:

you cannot produce useful tracebacks with the debugging striped out of it

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wagnerrp:

or really even debug it in any meaninful manner

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k-man:

wagnerrp: i think thats the problem then

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k-man:

i just copied the bin manually

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k-man:

i'll see if that improves things

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sphery:

if you want a debug-enabled build, you need to build with --compile-type=profile or =debug

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sphery:

since you most likely need symbols in all sorts of libs--not just mythfrontend binary

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Beirdo:

it's amazing how people now seen to know who Daft Punk are.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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k-man:

sphery: yeah, i did do that

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nutron_:

Beirdo: did they have another recent release?

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Beirdo:

umm, you watch Tron Legacy?

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k-man:

anyway, no time now, ill trty later

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nutron_:

Nope not yet.

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Beirdo:

the entire sound track is them

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Beirdo:

and they have a cameo

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sphery:

if you configure with --compile-type=profile or =debug , make install won't strip the binaries on install

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sphery:

so sounds like maybe some stuff wasn't rebuild--did you do a make clean?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i thought the internet at large knew about daft punk for the better part of the last decade

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wagnerrp:

or are you talking about the general public in real life?

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sphery:

(but note that there's no need for debug symbols in Qt)

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Beirdo:

general public.

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Beirdo:

they are one of the few bands of the type I actually like

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Beirdo:

I have the LP for Discovery :)

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Beirdo:

and a CD of it somewhere

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wagnerrp:

discovery was good... didnt much like homework

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Beirdo:

yeah, different sound

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Beirdo:

oh, and my LP of Discovery... unopened (so far), and costs more than the CD

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Beirdo:

heh

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nutron_:

are people seriously this retarded? Memo just went out to all staff that if they plan on using the toaster oven, do not put plastics in it...

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nutron_:

I just bought that thing a couple months back...

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kormoc:

yes, people are

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wagnerrp:

nutron_: but what else are you going to use, youre not supposed to put metals in the toaster over, right?

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nutron_:

heh

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nutron_:

This is why I'm gonna put cameras up... I want vengance!

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russell5:

of course i get a new tuner so i can record up to 3 things at once now and of course i need 4 tonight :(

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JEDIDIAH__:

I suppose these people haven't ever heard of ceramic pots and plates...

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JEDIDIAH__:

although paper plates could be interesting

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hipitihop:

mythfrontend sometimes locks up when navigating through recording lists with the remote. trying to use killall on mythfrontend.real does not kill it, can someone point me in the right direction

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nutron:

anything on those logs/db?

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mianos:

this may be a dumb question

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mianos:

but I have an HTPC with tuners and an SSD

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mianos:

works OK so far

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mianos:

but the storage system is downstairs

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mianos:

ubuntu

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mianos:

connected with GBit

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mianos:

should I export the filesystems using NFS or CIFS

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mianos:

or can I use sotrage groups and a slave backend just to export the video and stuff from the larg disk downstairs?

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mianos:

ie no tuners in the basement

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hipitihop:

mianos, I'm sure there are many ways to do this including mounting your downstairs storage over nfs, but I suspect the mythtv way is to use storage groups and slave back-end

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mianos:

yes

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mianos:

I want the 'proper' way

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mianos:

but slaves have to have tuners right?

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hipitihop:

mianos, afaik that is exactly what groups allow and uses its own protocol so does not need nfs, but also there are some caveats to using storage groups with mythtv so check those too before you commit

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mianos:

no ISOs

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mianos:

no external videoplayers

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mianos:

no problems

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hipitihop:

as far as each backend must have tuners, I don't know about, but would think not, at least logically it should not be a requirement, besides, there is probably a way for a backend to user a tuner on another machine, this is linux, but getting out of my depth

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JEDIDIAH__:

if you connecting your myth machines with GigE, using NFS mounts on another box is certainly a very doable option for now.

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hipitihop:

JEDIDIAH__, agreed, I have a mount to my NAS which actually runs across wireless and a softlink in the myth video directory to pickup additional movies on the nas, and playback is fine, so GigE will yawn at the requirements I suspect

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mianos:

yes it's all gig

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mianos:

works full rate with a proper switch

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mianos:

cost more than $10 USD

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cal_:

where is the v-sync setting for opengl?

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JEDIDIAH__:

running myth across wifi doesn't seem to work so well.

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mianos:

for me wifi is great for a bit of browsing and email

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JEDIDIAH__:

dunno whether or not to blame that on NFS or wifi in general

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have one dedicated backend connected via wifi. The rest of the house is wired except for devices that have no means to be.

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JEDIDIAH__:

s/backend/frontend/

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hipitihop:

I found playback is ok most of the time.. I think wifi is just flaky at best so probably blame it on it

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JEDIDIAH__:

sometimes it works, sometimes it hangs and I have to kill the frontend.

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hipitihop:

JEDIDIAH__, on that topic, how do you normally do the kill, I find using killall doesn't work for me, process still there locked up

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hipitihop:

or is there a way to restart it.. I tend to ssh in from another machine

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JEDIDIAH__:

still working on that for the wifi box. most boxes I use a kill -9 -1. everything restarts itself.

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JEDIDIAH__:

my wifi box is unusual as it's sitting on top of gnome rather than openbox

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hipitihop:

what's the last one a -9 -1 ???

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hipitihop:

mine is mythbuntu setup, so it's ubuntu with xfce

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JEDIDIAH__:

kill -9 -1

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JEDIDIAH__:

used to alias that to "seppuku"

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JEDIDIAH__:

use with care

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hipitihop:

so that kills everything ... in my case I have combined backend and frontend and also run asterisk on same machine, so I doubt I want to do that

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hipitihop:

is there a higher level signal I can use then -9 ?

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wagnerrp:

-10?

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wagnerrp:

looks like you can do all the way up to -31 on x86 linux

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hipitihop:

"sudo killall -9 -v mythfrontend.re" although says killed, it is still there, should I just keep increasing the signal ?

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kormoc:

if it survives a -9 it's a zombie in a wedged state. It's only going to go away by unwedging itself or a reboot

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wagnerrp:

hipitihop: what do you think -9 is?

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wagnerrp:

to me, thats just some random number

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wagnerrp:

it may do something here, it may do something completely different over there

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wagnerrp:

thats why we dont use them

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, posix does define them

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, I thought -9 is the signal, am I doing something moronic here ?

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wagnerrp:

SIGKILL or -KILL is the signal

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wagnerrp:

-9 is just the integer it is mapped to on your particular system (and it just so happens to be standard for all POSIX systems)

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wagnerrp:

many of the other codes are not

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JEDIDIAH__:

-9 is the signal to unconditionally terminate the process whether it responds or not.

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kormoc:

hipitihop, you don't pick random numbers, 14 is ALRM (alarm clock). Not overly useful to kill a process

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the only time ive ever seen something survive SIGKILL is when its caught in IO deadlock

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, only if your OS is conforming to posix standards

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wagnerrp:

hipitihop: the point is, you dont use -9, you use -KILL

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hipitihop:

I see, thanks for the lesson. I also see that killall without -9 uses signal 15 .. but neither seem to kill the frontend

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wagnerrp:

and when writing code, you dont use 9, you import signal.h and use SIGKILL

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kormoc:

hipitihop, just reboot

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wagnerrp:

and it doesnt use -15, it uses SIGTERM or -TERM

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JEDIDIAH__:

You say that as if Linux is any more weird than AIX or HPUX or Ultrix.

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wagnerrp:

use the names, not the numbers

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hipitihop:

kormoc, sure, but this is a combined backend, frontend and also runs a asterisk server, so a little inelegant imo

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kormoc:

hipitihop, it's wedged. if a TERM doesn't kill it, the kernel *can't* kill it. It's your only answer

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kormoc:

there's no SIGSUPERKILL here

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wagnerrp:

right, if -KILL doesnt work, something very bad has happened

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hipitihop:

kormoc, I see, so before I restart what is the best log to check why it locked up ? it was in teh middle of playback and someone used the remote to navigate away, not the first time this has happened.

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kormoc:

hipitihop, I'd personally strace it before it locked until it locked and looked at the syscalls it was running as I'd guess it's a hardware issue

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wagnerrp:

hipitihop: did you actually type that exact command you pasted up there?

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wagnerrp:

'killall -9 -v mythfrontend.re'?

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wagnerrp:

if thats the case, you did not kill mythfrontend, as there is no process named 'mythfrontend.re'

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, yes and also no modified to "sudo killall -KILL -v mythfrontend.re"

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wagnerrp:

killall does not support partial matches

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wagnerrp:

you need to give the full process name

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kormoc:

hipitihop, you likely want mythfrontend.real or mythfrontend

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nichos:

!seen j-e-f-f-a

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MythLogBot:

j-e-f-f-a was last seen 3 minutes 32 seconds ago

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nichos:

doh

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hipitihop:

but the verbose says, "Killed mythfrontend.re(2478) with signal 9"

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kormoc:

ps auxwwww | grep mythfrontend

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nichos:

w/b J-e-f-f-A

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hipitihop:

denis 2478 8.7 0.0 0 0 ? Zsl Jan15 895:08 [mythfrontend.re] <defunct>

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hipitihop:

denis 18305 0.0 0.0 7348 900 pts/0 S+ 13:15 0:00 grep mythfrontend

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kormoc:

(pastebin)

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hipitihop:

sorry

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kormoc:

welp, that's extremely unusual, what distro/package source?

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wagnerrp:

im fairly certain mythbuntu uses mythfrontend.real, not mythfrontend.re

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kormoc:

and yeah, it's zombied and suspended, a reboot is your only hope

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nichos:

J-e-f-f-A, i wanted to drop in and tell you it is the video card, without a doubt

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wagnerrp:

sounds like theres some quirkiness going on there with the name getting chopped off

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hipitihop:

that is how it is listed in e.g. htop i.e. mythfrontend.real

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nichos:

J-e-f-f-A, i put in my old 8600GT and am watching the same video as last night, not a single pixel is funky

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wagnerrp:

try 'kill -KILL 2478'

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Zsl says it's useless

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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hipitihop:

same, still there

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wagnerrp:

abandon all hope ye who zombify

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** hipitihop acknowledges we only have restart from here as an option. **

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hipitihop:

but, it happens infrequently enough, that strace over days is unlikely to help, or am I wrong

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hipitihop:

mythfrontend.log has nothing unusual for today

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kormoc:

you only care about the bit right before the hang but leaving it running will make the app pretty unusuable and will generate *epic tons* of data

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hipitihop:

kormoc, that's what thought, as I said, I can't replicate the hang easily, happens days apart. Only common factor is tha same person using the same lirc remote (whereas I usually now use my android mythmote and never probs)

[03:28:03]

wagnerrp:

could LIRC crash, and mythtv deadlock trying to read off a now-non-existent pipe?

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hipitihop:

sounds possible, does this suggest it has ? ps aux | grep lirc "root 1873 0.0 0.0 20116 452 ? Ss Jan15 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0"

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clever:

hipitihop: looks like lirc is working fine

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, perhaps. it depends on if we do a blocking read or not

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kormoc:

but it shouldn't have zombied

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, kormoc, just to be explicit, in nearly a couple of years of using mythtv, the number of times I rememember the fronend locking up is < 10 and each time while navigating, sometimes lirc based remote and other times, software on phone e.g. iphone app using wifi

[03:48:05]

kormoc:

hipitihop, same video card the entire time?

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wagnerrp:

hipitihop: the only time ive ever seen such a deadlock is when ive had disk issues, like when a disk outright disappears from the system

[03:48:47]

hipitihop:

yes, completely same hardware, it is Atom dual core with onboard nvidia using VDAUP

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, now that's interesting as this machine does sometimes struggle to reboot and if I did not know better, I would say it is hdd but not quite sure how to diagnose further

[03:50:10]

hipitihop:

it is a sata 500gb drive

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wagnerrp:

specifically, the disk disappearing from the system because the iscsi target it was mapped to went offline

[03:50:32]

hipitihop:

is there a log that would show this happening ?

[03:51:15]

hipitihop:

btw, I do occasionaly see in logs the processoor temps alarm and being throttled down and then back, so at time it is struggling with cooling I suspect

[03:51:40]

wagnerrp:

thats what you get for running fanless?

[03:51:56]

hipitihop:

no, it has fan

[03:52:07]

wagnerrp:

is the fan clogged?

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kormoc:

If the videocard got too hot and disabled some of the opengl features, that'd hardlock it

[03:52:22]

wagnerrp:

or are you just using a poorly designed SFF system?

[03:52:28]

hipitihop:

It is a Point of View NVIDIA ION Atom 330

[03:52:45]

hipitihop:

SFF ?

[03:52:49]

wagnerrp:

POV is... ASUS's industrial brand?

[03:52:52]

wagnerrp:

small form factor

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hipitihop:

small form factor yes, as far as part of asus, that I don't know

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, i thought one of the bigger names owned them

[03:54:07]

wagnerrp:

dont see anything to indicate such though

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hipitihop:

you may well be right

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hipitihop:

so mobo is well known, I think same setup as the asrock variant.. can't rememebr who's case I decided to use

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wagnerrp:

anyway, if its overheating, either you put it in too cramped a case, or they gave it too small a heatsink

[03:55:36]

mike|2:

Question for anyone running recent trunk w/ datadirect: Does your mythfilldatabase try to write to "/tmp/crap" successfully or otherwise? Wondering if others see this or just me.

[03:55:49]

kormoc:

mike|2, yes?

[03:57:18]

hipitihop:

wagnerrp, I was careful to use recommended combination of bits but clearly it is overheating, having it in a cabinet in the lounge likely helps little, so frequently leave door open for better vent

[03:57:56]

wagnerrp:

cut a hole in the back of the cabinet

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mike|2:

For me mythfilldatabase fails because /tmp/crap already exits. Is it supposed to be removed between days?

[03:59:06]

kormoc:

mike|2, at the end of the run, yes. if it's there, remove it

[03:59:07]

hipitihop:

anyway, not sure it's related to the frontend lockups .. all other processes remain fine, so whatever event is happening on the machine, it seems frontend is sensitive to. As I said, machine itself, backeend, asterisk etc all happy

[03:59:34]

kormoc:

hipitihop, frontend is tied into the gpu, one of the hotest parts of a comptuer

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hipitihop:

good point

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hipitihop:

especially if I have vdaup enabled

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hipitihop:

so clearly I need to address the cooling issue... anyway thanks for all your feedback .. will restart it now

[04:01:28]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if anything will get pissy if i echange a DFI board with an Abit one

[04:02:36]

wagnerrp:

my backend has an abit board, but ive got a DFI 939/sli board with serial ports and more PCI slots

[04:03:54]

mike|2:

<-- wondering why he can't get rid of the crap... Going to have to check the source. If you know where I should look let me know.

[04:10:38]

** sphery shudders at all this talk of kill -9 **

[04:10:43]

sphery:

kill -KILL, folks

[04:10:53]

sphery:

it's called "Double tap"

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats what weve been telling him

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sphery:

heh, I didn't read far enough, it seems

[04:11:18]

wagnerrp:

oh come on...

[04:11:36]

wagnerrp:

when you shoot someone, and they catch the bullet and let it fall to the ground

[04:11:51]

wagnerrp:

are you going to shoot them a second time? or are you going to /run/?

[04:12:01]

wagnerrp:

poor writing

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sphery:

I think--if the TV shows and movies have it right--you throw the gun at them

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sphery:

of course, that never works on the TV shows and movies, so maybe they're not presenting best options

[04:13:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

panic. The keyword here is panic. That also means not necessarily doing the "smart" thing.

[04:13:10]

noisymouse:

hi, anyone know how to export a list of channels to a channels.conf?

[04:13:30]

sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: heh, yeah, probably true

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wagnerrp:

noisymouse: mythtv does not use, nor can it export, a channels.conf

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JEDIDIAH__:

been there. done that.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, which show?

[04:13:58]

wagnerrp:

fringe

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

with Christopher Lloyd, tonight?

[04:14:21]

sphery:

haven't watched it, yet

[04:14:22]

wagnerrp:

indeed

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JEDIDIAH__:

they could have had a Spock-Kruge moment.

[04:15:01]

wagnerrp:

nah, they killed spock last season

[04:15:11]

JEDIDIAH__:

thus "could"

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wagnerrp:

heh, i guess it is fringe after all

[04:15:34]

JEDIDIAH__:

then again, Spock has come back from the dead before.

[04:15:40]

JEDIDIAH__:

Kruge was even there.

[04:15:46]

wagnerrp:

they ever explain what happened to the alternate/evil spock?

[04:16:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

that's what I was thinking when I saw him do the kobayashi maru bit in this show.

[04:16:48]

JEDIDIAH__:

we all know how you are about "retiring"

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clgshaft:

hey guys, my backend crashes, or freezes, i can do everything but watch live tv

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clgshaft:

happens when i try leaving on over night

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sphery:

clgshaft: leaving Live TV on overnight?

[04:43:21]

sphery:

heh, there goes wagnerrp crushing the dreams of the "I can have a full-fledged frontend running on my iPad" crowd

[04:43:29]

sphery:

(good post, btw)

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clgshaft:

no

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im not trying to crush the hopes

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clgshaft:

it happens if just the nackedn is running, frontend is open, o live tv is playing

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wagnerrp:

im merely trying to tell these people that the published specs say its of no worth as a frontend

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clgshaft:

backend

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wagnerrp:

so until someone actually gets real, meaningful, concrete benchmarks using this new hidden API

[04:44:49]

wagnerrp:

that it should continue to be considered of no worth as a frontend

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sphery:

clgshaft: got any backend logs showing up until the crash (to pastebin, please)

[04:45:31]

wagnerrp:

uh oh... something bad is about to happen

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wagnerrp:

dun dun dun...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, and I completely agree

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clgshaft:

not sure when the crash happens, how far back do the logs go?

[04:46:19]

sphery:

until you or your scripts cleared them :)

[04:46:31]

sphery:

if this is mythbuntu, it seems to be a day or more of stuff

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clgshaft:

crashed at some point after 7am this morning

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clgshaft:

http://pastebin.com/uFPjPBqa

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wagnerrp:

time to swap boards and hope all goes well

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wagnerrp:

the worst part is im going to have to swap boards in the cold basement, on the cold floor

[05:02:24]

wagnerrp:

since that thing is so rediculously heavy, i can, but dont want to, lift it upstairs

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bedlore:

weird thing happening: my shows are being sorted into a nicely named directory structure, but this is causing MythTV to loose track of them. Anyone have any idea what could be doing this?

[05:04:34]

wagnerrp:

nope, nothing official mythtv will rename your recordings

[05:04:45]

wagnerrp:

mythlink will produce links in a nice directory structure

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wagnerrp:

but it will not rename them

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bedlore:

thanks, this is really wierd

[05:05:39]

clgshaft:

spery see anything?

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clgshaft:

sphery...

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sphery:

bedlore: sounds like something an evil librarian might do

[05:14:22]

sphery:

clgshaft: hmmm, I don't see anything that looks like it would cause a crash in there

[05:14:41]

sphery:

clgshaft: the "LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend." seems less than ideal, but I don't know what that means

[05:14:42]

clgshaft:

yeah, the only thing that doesnt work is live tv

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wagnerrp:

sphery: hehe... yeah, it does do that

[05:14:52]

clgshaft:

i can watch my recordings

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sphery:

and don't think it's causing the crash (based on how often it occurs)

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wagnerrp:

bedlore: you arent using xbmc by any chance are you?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, maybe I should mention the real name just in case it is that

[05:15:28]

bedlore:

wagnerrp: not currently, I'm thinking mythepisode might be the culprit

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clgshaft:

i can watch movies from my nas

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sphery:

bedlore: this is what I was thinking: http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=MythicalLibrarian

[05:15:41]

wagnerrp:

you know what the best part about LGA sockets is?

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bedlore:

sphery: thanks, checking

[05:16:00]

sphery:

wagnerrp: you can't break the pins?

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clgshaft:

i will deal, but i would really l;ike to be able to record overnight, or throughout the day

[05:16:35]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you dont have to worry about the thermal grease hardening, causing you to rip the processor out when you remove the heatsink

[05:16:39]

sphery:

clgshaft: yeah, that's not typical... My backend generally runs without reboots until the power company decides to stop providing power for it

[05:16:58]

clgshaft:

i got another question, i am using two 950q's just for hd. only one is working, i did add both on the backend successfully

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wagnerrp:

i swear, happens every time on shielded processors that have been sitting more than a year

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wagnerrp:

shielded, as opposed to the old athxps that had a bare exposed core

[05:17:49]

wagnerrp:

bare core means much less surface area to stick to

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, you can break the pins on the mobo, but--with Intel processors, at least--the mobo tends to be cheaper than the CPU

[05:18:04]

bedlore:

hmm, user job4: /usr/local/bin/mythicalLibrarian "%DIR%/%FILE%"

[05:18:09]

bedlore:

bastard

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bedlore:

haven't got a clue how that came about

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

clgshaft: are you sure they're properly connected?

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bedlore:

back later..

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sphery:

clgshaft: I'd recommend doing at least the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[05:20:39]

clgshaft:

yes they are connected

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sphery:

and this time be very careful with the capture card and input connections settings

[05:21:15]

sphery:

I'm just saying that connected isn't always properly connected :)

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clgshaft:

i just tried switching inputs and each one tuned, but when i am recording on one, and i try to watch a different hd channel it always tunes to the recording channel

[05:21:32]

sphery:

properly connected would mean you'd have been able to record from both of them :)

[05:22:11]

sphery:

clgshaft: ah, you need to use NEXTCARD or MENU then select the option to change to the next card or input or whatever

[05:22:40]

sphery:

(or, my preferred approach: don't ever use Live TV :)

[05:23:20]

clgshaft:

ok

[05:23:29]

clgshaft:

shouldnt it automatically do that?

[05:23:45]

clgshaft:

i like the fetch channels, rather than scanning analog

[05:24:05]

clgshaft:

is that a setting on the frontend?

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sphery:

clgshaft: yeah, in North America you shouldn't ever use analog channel scans

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sphery:

you get better results/information--and /much/ faster--using Fech channels

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sphery:

but if you have a 950Q, you have digital, right?

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clgshaft:

yes

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sphery:

you're not using the analog side of a digital tuner, right?

[05:25:44]

clgshaft:

but i also have a 225 for analog cable

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clgshaft:

and a 1600 that dont work

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sphery:

a 2250?

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clgshaft:

2250...

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

that's cool... 1600 and 2250 have good (hardware encoding) analog

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clgshaft:

cant get composite to work on the 2250 either, what fun

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sphery:

with the 950Q's, you're seeing multirec come into play

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clgshaft:

1600 dont work

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sphery:

as for the "shouldn't it automatically do that (switch inputs when you try to change channels)?" the answer is, "No."

[05:27:37]

sphery:

the reason is that it would "waste" tuners

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clgshaft:

ok

[05:27:43]

clgshaft:

where is the setting?

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sphery:

the details are available at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358

[05:28:08]

sphery:

along with a very long description of info needed to configure it so that it wastes tuners

[05:28:19]

sphery:

what setting?

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sphery:

to never use Live TV? That was a "change your behavior" recommendation. :)

[05:29:00]

sphery:

(which gets harder when other people are also involved)

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clgshaft:

i understand

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clgshaft:

looks like i have some setup to do

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

good luck

[05:30:02]

clgshaft:

any recommendations on composite for 2250?

[05:30:11]

sphery:

if you can get a backtrace of the crash, we can help you debug it: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[05:30:45]

sphery:

use a profile build if you compile yourself; otherwise, packages should provide a debug symbol package (as described on that wiki page)

[05:30:53]

clgshaft:

the crash also happens when i make a frontend change, setting change, on my remote frontend

[05:30:58]

sphery:

oops, that's not the wiki page, this is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[05:31:17]

sphery:

weird

[05:31:24]

sphery:

is this 0.23-fixes or 0.24-fixes?

[05:31:27]

clgshaft:

your telling me

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clgshaft:

lol

[05:31:34]

clgshaft:

0.24 fixes

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sphery:

I haven't heard of that happening to anyone... you may have found something new

[05:31:58]

sphery:

relatively current?

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clgshaft:

yup seems like i have found alot of those

[05:32:14]

clgshaft:

brand new

[05:32:23]

clgshaft:

updated

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

and the backend crashes and doesn't respond?

[05:32:45]

clgshaft:

i am starting to think hardware

[05:32:58]

clgshaft:

it freezes just live tv

[05:33:21]

clgshaft:

trying to watch live tv says the backend is not running, check ip

[05:33:26]

clgshaft:

but watch recordings works

[05:33:32]

sphery:

when you said 7:00, did you say 7:00am or 7:00pm?

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clgshaft:

am

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sphery:

at 2011-01–20 19:38:57.080 MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0x1209bc0)

[05:33:45]

sphery:

that's a not good thing

[05:33:51]

sphery:

that can cause network issues

[05:34:01]

clgshaft:

i looked at 7 am this morning and it was working, looked again at 7pm, and it had crashed

[05:34:02]

sphery:

2011-01–20 19:38:57.132 MythSocket(1209bc0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. We wrote 0 of 38 bytes with 1 errors

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

based on the "heartbeat messages" ("UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap Done.", which should occur once every 30mins), it seems there was a disturbance between 2011-01–21 19:11:19.893 and 2011-01–21 19:48:11.635

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sphery:

there was a restart at #

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sphery:

2011-01–21 19:48:00.357 mythbackend version: fixes/0.24 [v0.24-111-g1b3a2c7] www.mythtv.org

[05:37:40]

sphery:

(and, yeah, now I see that it's git-current)

[05:37:59]

sphery:

so crashed sometime between 2011-01–21 19:19:19.050 and 2011-01–21 19:48:00.357

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sphery:

with no messages--which just means that whatever crashed it wasn't something the backend saw coming

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clgshaft:

ok

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sphery:

(contrary to popular belief, we don't write code to give pretty log messages for the things that crash the backend--we actually fix the things that crash the backend, instead)

[05:39:37]

sphery:

and we can't really detect the crash and write a message, because, once we crash, we're gone

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clgshaft:

ok

[05:40:51]

clgshaft:

i deleted my tuners, and i cant remeber what the path was, had a udev rule

[05:40:53]

clgshaft:

lol

[05:40:55]

sphery:

so it seems it crashed a little after 7pm (I'm assuming the lack of messages between 19:19 and 19:48 means it wasn't running)

[05:40:58]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

on the bright side, you didn't miss The Big Bang Theory

[05:41:58]

sphery:

oh, wait, you missed about 20mins of it

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sphery:

that would be upsetting

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clgshaft:

lol

[05:42:17]

clgshaft:

i deleted the partial already

[05:42:23]

clgshaft:

getting sick of that

[05:42:39]

clgshaft:

how do i look for udev rules set for a capture card?

[05:42:43]

sphery:

so restarted at 2011-01–21 19:55:18.963, too, but that may have been your restarting it again

[05:43:02]

sphery:

maybe /usr/lib/udev

[05:43:17]

sphery:

(actually, specifically, /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/* )

[05:43:39]

sphery:

or, actually, /lib/udev/rules.d

[05:43:39]

clgshaft:

yes thats it

[05:43:44]

clgshaft:

have to right it down

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sphery:

oh, wait, custom in /usr

[05:44:00]

sphery:

no custom in /etc/udev/rules.d

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sphery:

one of them at least

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sphery:

they move it way too often

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clgshaft:

i cant find it

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clgshaft:

damn

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sphery:

what about finding the device names, themselves

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sphery:

ls -l /dev | grep video

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clgshaft:

i see video 1, 2 ,3 but we named them something else

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sphery:

would get links to video0, etc

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sphery:

through links, right?

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sphery:

the ls -l with a grep should find that

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clgshaft:

yup

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clgshaft:

thanks

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clgshaft:

sphery: thanks for the help, backend looks cleaner

[06:01:10]

clgshaft:

still a rookie fighting through this

[06:03:27]

clgshaft:

are there any plans to incorporate nflst, it will be internet based like mlb and nhl gamecenter live, in upcoming versions?

[06:03:37]

clgshaft:

kind of like hulu desktop?

[06:05:17]

sphery:

if you mean a stream recordings web site thing, all that would need to happen is someone would have to verify that doing so falls withing the ToS, then write a grabber script for MythNetvision to use

[06:05:37]

clgshaft:

no not that way

[06:05:50]

clgshaft:

hule desktop can be integrated into mythtv

[06:05:55]

clgshaft:

hulu

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sphery:

MythNetvision has support for Hulu, already

[06:06:33]

sphery:

I dont know what nflst is

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sphery:

(NFL Sunday Ticket? maybe?0

[06:06:41]

clgshaft:

nfl sunday ticket

[06:07:03]

clgshaft:

but mythnetvision does not go full screen

[06:07:06]

sphery:

so, I don't know what their plans for internet delivery are, but MythNetvision would be the part of MythTV that would do it

[06:07:10]

clgshaft:

or i dont know how

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sphery:

yeah, it does, in development

[06:07:22]

clgshaft:

ok

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clgshaft:

hulu desktop does go full screen

[06:07:41]

sphery:

in 0.24 and below, it couldn't, or you'd lose control of MythtV

[06:07:50]

clgshaft:

nfl will be on the ps3 next year, like nhl and mlb are

[06:08:12]

sphery:

development has new code that hooks into the player's API to allow control even when full screen

[06:08:17]

sphery:

or something like that...

[06:08:18]

clgshaft:

mythnetvision doesnt work for me

[06:08:26]

clgshaft:

that sounds cool

[06:08:31]

clgshaft:

that will be 0.25?

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sphery:

yeah

[06:10:22]

clgshaft:

awesome

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clgshaft:

any suggestions from connecting a stb through composite?

[06:11:02]

clgshaft:

using 2250

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sphery:

should just work

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clgshaft:

ok

[06:11:52]

clgshaft:

lol

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sphery:

need to connect the right input in Input Connections

[06:12:01]

clgshaft:

i have the 2250 added as a tuner

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clgshaft:

configure one of the composite inputs i am guessing

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sphery:

yeah, and then to it, you'd connect one of the Composite inputs listed to your video source

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clgshaft:

add a source

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wenko:

Hey folks. Anyone here have any success with the Asus P8H67-M EVO mobo?

[06:12:48]

clgshaft:

any input priorities?

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sphery:

clgshaft: yeah, you will need one video source for digital channels and a separate video source for analog channels

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clgshaft:

got that

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sphery:

input priorities should all be 0

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clgshaft:

ok

[06:13:38]

sphery:

you need to connect inputs in the right order, instead of using priorities

[06:13:44]

sphery:

priorities don't work the way you want

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clgshaft:

no scnaning of channels or fetching of channels for composite?

[06:13:50]

sphery:

connecting inputs in order does

[06:14:16]

sphery:

so, the order you want is to connect the inputs in the order you want them used for recordings

[06:14:37]

sphery:

so if you wan to use the 950Q's as a first choice, connect them first, then the 2250, then ...

[06:14:52]

sphery:

also, you need to create capture cards in the opposite order you want them used for Live TV

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clgshaft:

ok

[06:15:09]

sphery:

so if you want Live TV to start with the 2250's analog, create the 2250 card last

[06:15:15]

sphery:

and set the analog as the default input on that card

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clgshaft:

ok

[06:15:32]

sphery:

and you can Delete all capture cards to start over if you didn't do the right order

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sphery:

and that won't affect video sources

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clgshaft:

so the 2250 has two tuners

[06:15:50]

clgshaft:

each has composite 1 and 2, do i set them all up?

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sphery:

no, it will likely be composite 1 on each

[06:16:24]

clgshaft:

no scanning of channels?

[06:16:27]

sphery:

the composite 1 and 2 are different traces, but likely only one is connected

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sphery:

right--for analog don't scan, use Fetch channels... For digital, you must scan

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clgshaft:

ok

[06:16:57]

clgshaft:

ananlog for composite

[06:17:02]

clgshaft:

but what would it fetch?

[06:17:12]

clgshaft:

how can it fetch satellite channels?

[06:17:43]

sphery:

it fetches the list of channel numbers and names and callsigns and ... from Schedules Direct

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clgshaft:

ok

[06:17:54]

kav0rka^:

if set up correctly, should all usb ir receivers be able to wake a pc up from s3 state? or are only certain usb ir receivers capable of this?

[06:17:54]

clgshaft:

and i have the one in there

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sphery:

that's enough info for it send the channel number to the change channel script

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clgshaft:

ir blaster isnt supported yet for the 2250

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clgshaft:

so composite tuned to analog cable

[06:21:58]

clgshaft:

what shgould default channel be? or should i ahve a third source for satellite?

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sphery:

satellite = satellite through an analog connection to an STB, right

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clgshaft:

yes

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sphery:

you need a different video source for each unique list of channels available on an input

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clgshaft:

ok

[06:23:53]

clgshaft:

so what do i do in input connections?

[06:23:54]

sphery:

so if you have one analog connection from a satellite STB and another analog connection from an OTA HDTV converter, you'd need 2 different video sources for them

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sphery:

for the appropriate input on the back of the video card, select the video source that contains (or will contain after Fetch channels) the list of channels available through that input

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sphery:

s/video card/capture card/

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clgshaft:

ok

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clgshaft:

channel frequency doesnt matter?

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sphery:

frequency ID must be the value you need to send to the change channel script that tells it how to tune the requested channel

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sphery:

which, for an STB, is almost always the channel number

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clgshaft:

ok so i am fetching channels

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clgshaft:

now makes a little more sense

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clgshaft:

fetch worked

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clgshaft:

now lets see if it tunes

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wenko:

anyone able to name a winning combo for HDMI + HDMI Audio... mobo

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clgshaft:

wenko what mobo?

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clgshaft:

sphery: works

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clgshaft:

thanks

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sphery:

cool

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clgshaft:

now i just need to change channels through the stb

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wenko:

clgshaft: looking for suggestions on a mobo

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clgshaft:

gigabyte = no

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wenko:

what I want to do is a front end and back end on one machine

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wenko:

ok

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clgshaft:

lol

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wenko:

ASUS any good

[06:33:51]

clgshaft:

i think most of my issues are related to that

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wenko:

hmm

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sphery:

wenko: I don't have any specific recommendations other than to get a motherboard that supports real processors (not toys)

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clgshaft:

im no expert, beginner

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clgshaft:

i leanred the hard way

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sphery:

so one that supports like a Core 2 Duo or Athlon II X2 or better

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clgshaft:

mine supports that

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wenko:

any success with the Asus P8H67-M EVO mobo?

[06:34:36]

wenko:

it can take an i7

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clgshaft:

spery: you know anything on lirc support for the 2250?

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sphery:

that's plenty of processor

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sphery:

I don't know anything about the HDMI/HDMI audio, though

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sphery:

clgshaft: no, not at all

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wenko:

it has onboard HDMI which I assume would be better for spdif audio out

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clgshaft:

i use hdmi for video, spdif for audio

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wenko:

my TV does not allow me to seperate it

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clgshaft:

sphery: mythtv is awesome now that i incorporated my satellite

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clgshaft:

get an amp

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clgshaft:

lol

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clgshaft:

i had issues forcing hdmi audio on nvidia

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wenko:

clgshaft: in due time...

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clgshaft:

on my zbox i got it to work, with dev help

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wenko:

I am thinking it should be fine, as the output (TOS LINK or HDMI) is made in BIOS

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wenko:

so no f'ing around with ALSA or whatever

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clgshaft:

be better than my setup

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Beirdo:

mmmm, macbook

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kormoc:

Welcome to the stree-free side ;)

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wylie:

hmmm... is anyone else having schedulesdirect problems (NO DATA )

[07:16:26]

kormoc:

give it a few minutes. TMS has been having issues the past week or two

[07:16:42]

kormoc:

if it's still an issue in say a hour, file a ticket

[07:18:22]

wylie:

hmmm. it has been working until i just noticed i have no programming data starting tonight

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kormoc:

so you're saying you have no guide data?

[07:19:21]

wylie:

rgr

[07:19:22]

wylie:

2011-01–22 00:18:59.406 Data refresh needed because only 0 out of 264 channels have at least one program listed for day @ offset 0 from 8PM – midnight. Previous day had 258 channels with data in that time period.

[07:19:45]

kormoc:

run mythfilldatabase and pastebin the output please

[07:20:02]

wylie:

its running now, was just about to do that

[07:20:29]

kormoc:

kk, if it fails, re-run and toss me the log :)

[07:21:34]

wylie:

i am seeing these:

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wylie:

2011-01–22 00:21:18 (30.6 KB/s) – `/tmp/crap.gz' saved [387265]

[07:21:35]

MythLogBot:

No match for SVN revision 387265

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wylie:

gzip: /tmp/crap already exists; not overwritten

[07:21:35]

wylie:

2011-01–22 00:21:18.957 DataDirect, Error: Failed to get data: Returned failure

[07:21:36]

wylie:

2011-01–22 00:21:18.957 Encountered error in grabbing data.

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kormoc:

rm /tmp/crap*

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kormoc:

rerun mythfilldatabase, all should be well

[07:22:53]

wylie:

there still seems to be a problem — will pastebin when this pass completes

[07:23:09]

kormoc:

You're the 4th person I know who has run into this. Are you running master/trunk or a packaged version?

[07:23:25]

wylie:

master/trunk, forever

[07:23:27]

wylie:

;b

[07:23:57]

wylie:

(my guess would be for 8 or so years, though that makes me feel old

[07:25:35]

kormoc:

Yeah, I think the /tmp/crap issue is master only

[07:26:23]

wylie:

2 secs on that pastebin

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Beirdo:

I have to look into how it ever got in there to hit that code in the first place

[07:27:17]

wylie:

hmm. i can't get to pastebin

[07:28:06]

wylie:

here, http://pastebin.com/VaF1CDV7

[07:28:18]

kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah, looks like you caused it

[07:28:41]

kormoc:

hrm

[07:28:51]

kormoc:

you're not uncompressing crap.gz...

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know, but it was in a spot that wasn't supposed to get hit, and I didn't realize I had left the /tmp/crap behind until someone said the other day

[07:29:13]

Beirdo:

it's SUPPOSED to get an actual filename

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wylie:

:)

[07:29:53]

Beirdo:

if the filename is empty it would use that as a temporary thing that I didn't realize got checked in. But I'll be looking at it here shortly

[07:30:09]

wylie:

rgr

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Beirdo:

how are ya running it, BTW?

[07:32:10]

kormoc:

DataDirectProcessor::GrabData has QString inputfile = inputfilename; and inputfilename is defined blank on line 552

[07:32:25]

kormoc:

I'm assuming there's a missing initialization somewhere

[07:32:36]

silverdulcet:

speaking of schedules direct, how would I fix mythweb saying, "There's guide data until 2106-11–29 11:49 (35009 days)." ?

[07:32:51]

kormoc:

silverdulcet, uhh... wha?

[07:33:35]

silverdulcet:

kormoc: mythfilldatabase seems to run and schedule programs fine, but it happened after my schedules direct subscription lapsed, then I renewed it and mythweb has said that ever since.

[07:33:58]

kormoc:

huh

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yes, inputfilename is set blank in the constructor, and then overridden elsewhere

[07:34:22]

Beirdo:

in SetInputFile

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kormoc:

Beirdo, which isn't called anywhere that I see?

[07:35:09]

silverdulcet:

it also says "mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data", not sure if that is because I switched to running the mythfilldatabase with the --dd-grab-all or not.

[07:35:28]

kormoc:

Beirdo, ahh, nm, it's in filldata.cpp

[07:35:33]

kormoc:

silverdulcet, that's extremely odd

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Beirdo:

correct

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Beirdo:

so, for that to be blank, SetInputFile wasn't called, it seems

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kormoc:

silverdulcet, where are you seeing that string?

[07:36:34]

silverdulcet:

kormoc: I agree, it doesn't cause problems that I can tell, just thought I'd ask if anyone knew of a way to fix it, or if it needs to be fixed?

[07:36:49]

Beirdo:

will ya look at that...

[07:37:04]

silverdulcet:

kormoc: Backend Status page, Machine Status section.

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kormoc:

silverdulcet, looks like it's only on the status page?

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kormoc:

kk, that's actually not mythweb, that's directly from the backend

[07:37:24]

Beirdo:

GrabData is called without the SetInputFile in a few places

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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silverdulcet:

kormoc: yes, I looked in the Settings Table to see if there was a Value for it, but its not listed there.

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kormoc:

silverdulcet, the query is SELECT MAX(endtime) FROM program WHERE manualid = 0;

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Beirdo:

so... when this problem shows... are you using --dd-grab-all?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, yes

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kormoc:

Beirdo, which is becoming a more common setup

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Beirdo:

yeah, well, I use it too, and it doesn't do it here...

[07:39:31]

Beirdo:

just trying to trace through the code paths

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kormoc:

Beirdo, it doesn't happen all the time for me

[07:39:42]

kormoc:

but when it does, things get wedged

[07:40:18]

silverdulcet:

kormoc: I see, I was just looking on the Settings Table list on mythweb.

[07:40:20]

kormoc:

silverdulcet, that's extremely odd that it wouldn't be correct for you... can you run that in mysql and see what it spits out?

[07:40:35]

silverdulcet:

kormoc: ok.

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Beirdo:

fair enough. I'll get it fixed :)

[07:40:48]

wagnerrp:

hahahaha

[07:40:53]

Beirdo:

just gotta figure out what it's doing first

[07:41:15]

wagnerrp:

'[01:58] MythLogBot [is] No match for SVN revision 387265'

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kormoc:

silverdulcet, if it gives the 2006 date, can you pastebin a SHOW CREATE TABLE program\G

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: so now my backend has a real serial port... is it possible to do two blasters on a single serial without a microcontroller?

[07:45:03]

wagnerrp:

all the schematics just have a single blaster

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Beirdo:

not sure, I only ever did one, but it should be able to. Not sure if the LIRC drivers will support it though

[07:45:32]

wagnerrp:

well i can always just do one for now

[07:45:37]

wagnerrp:

better than none that i currently have

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Beirdo:

wrong X?

[07:47:04]

wagnerrp:

wrong X?

[07:47:19]

Beirdo:

yeah, you left and came back

[07:47:26]

wagnerrp:

wrong computer

[07:47:27]

Beirdo:

figured you closed the wrong winder

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Beirdo:

ah

[07:47:51]

wagnerrp:

i took my server down to swap motherboards for one with a serial port

[07:47:57]

wagnerrp:

was running xchat on my laptop in the maintim

[07:47:58]

wagnerrp:

e

[07:48:01]

wagnerrp:

mean time

[07:50:14]

Beirdo:

how the heck do I do PgUp on a macbook? ;)

[07:50:29]

kormoc:

that's a little complex... depends on the app

[07:50:41]

wagnerrp:

what, no pgup button?

[07:50:46]

Beirdo:

way to go, Apple :)

[07:50:47]

wagnerrp:

no 6-button cluster?

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kormoc:

ooh

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Beirdo:

in irssi

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Beirdo:

over ssh

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wagnerrp:

no even funky, awful column of buttons?

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kormoc:

try fn+up arrow

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Beirdo:

no, that scrolls the terminal

[07:51:21]

kormoc:

fn + arrows == page up/page down/ home/ end

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wagnerrp:

i so dispise the funky, awful column of buttons

[07:51:46]

kormoc:

yeah... you need to tell term to send it over the wire

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Beirdo:

ahhh

[07:52:30]

kormoc:

Beirdo, http://theandystratton.com/2009/fixing-home-e . . . rds-terminal

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kormoc:

I use the commented home/end escape codes

[07:53:57]

kormoc:

oh wait, no I don't. I use the /001 /005 ones

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silverdulcet:

kormoc: it gives 2106-11–29 11:49:28

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kormoc:

ooh! 2106! weirdness

[07:54:53]

wagnerrp:

awesome!

[07:54:59]

wagnerrp:

do we have flying cars yet?

[07:55:13]

Beirdo:

beautiful

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kormoc:

pastebin: SELECT DATE(starttime), COUNT(0) FROM program GROUP BY DATE(starttime) ORDER BY DATE(starttime) DESC;

[07:55:18]

Beirdo:

thanks, kormoc. :)

[07:55:22]

** kormoc tips his hat **

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wagnerrp:

you know, the last person i asked how to open a terminal in OSX gave me a blank stare

[07:55:58]

kormoc:

silverdulcet, my wager is you have one bad entry we have to delete

[07:56:02]

silverdulcet:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/rMLkJpkw

[07:56:09]

wagnerrp:

a terminal, console? command prompt? run prompt?

[07:56:35]

wagnerrp:

well what do you expect from the DAAP kids...

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kormoc:

silverdulcet, Aye, you do. DELETE FROM program WHERE DATE(starttime) = '2106-11–19' LIMIT 1;

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

why limit to one?

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Beirdo:

OK, let me see

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just in case I typed it wrong?

[07:57:15]

wagnerrp:

ah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, he only has one (see the pastebin) and thus I intent to only delete one :)

[07:57:47]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but you really want to delete all of them

[07:58:09]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, sure, but there is only one of them

[07:58:22]

wagnerrp:

but you want to delete all of them

[07:58:26]

kormoc:

Deleting one is deleting all

[07:58:38]

wagnerrp:

deleting all automatically deletes the one

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** kormoc wonders where wagnerrp is going? **

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** wagnerrp backs away from the pointless non-argument **

[07:59:15]

wagnerrp:

just being a nuisance

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silverdulcet:

kormoc: k, its gone..;-p

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kormoc:

ahh, fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

silverdulcet, heh, amusing :)

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silverdulcet:

kormoc: so, think it had to do with my SD subscription expiring? or maybe I just didn't notice it until I realized my account with SD had expired.

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I have a patch for you to try if you'd like

[08:03:45]

kormoc:

silverdulcet, I don't think so

[08:03:50]

kormoc:

Beirdo, sure

[08:04:02]

silverdulcet:

kormoc: either way, much thanks for helping me fix it!

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kormoc:

no problems

[08:05:36]

Beirdo:

http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/0001-Fix- . . . t-file.patch

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Beirdo:

1) make the overridden file propagate back up... 2) rename it from /tmp/crap... 3) make gzip overwrite if the file exists

[08:07:23]

Beirdo:

if that seems to work right there... I can put it into master

[08:08:48]

kormoc:

kk

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wylie:

i can try too, how would i apply that patch?

[08:09:46]

Beirdo:

sure, feel free.

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Beirdo:

I assume you are using git?

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kormoc:

wylie, what distro?

[08:10:05]

Beirdo:

or a prebuilt?

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wylie:

ubuntu, master

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Beirdo:

K, you'd have to build it yourself

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wylie:

ya, that's ok, but what do i type to apply patch?

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Beirdo:

git am file

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Beirdo:

or.. patch -p1 < file from the top of the mythtv repo

[08:11:59]

kormoc:

its in the 0.25 ebuild now, so hopefully a few folks will give it a go there

[08:12:05]

Beirdo:

OK

[08:12:14]

wylie:

rgr, it was the -p1 i was missing, building now

[08:12:58]

wylie:

mythfill running

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Beirdo:

wylie: it will use a different filename now, so you may not notice an issue until the second run perhaps

[08:13:18]

Beirdo:

so try it a couple times

[08:13:33]

wylie:

yes, noticed that

[08:13:35]

Beirdo:

if it's still working, I think we may have it fixed

[08:14:05]

wylie:

will do two full runs and post second on pastebin

[08:14:19]

Beirdo:

K, sounds good

[08:15:49]

wylie:

i think i am still seeing

[08:15:50]

wylie:

2011-01–22 01:15:32 (23.5 KB/s) – `/tmp/mythtv_ddp_data.gz' saved [393331]

[08:15:50]

MythLogBot:

No match for SVN revision 393331

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wylie:

QFSFileEngine::open: No file name specified

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wylie:

i let a first run go for a bit, then cancelled it — then ran again — the full first pass is not complete

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Beirdo:

not sure what that's even from

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wylie:

ya, still getting the

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wylie:

QFSFileEngine::open: No file name specified

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Beirdo:

no idea what that's from

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Beirdo:

I'd have to see it in context in the logs to see what has that being called somehow

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wylie:

hmmm. i didn't make clean after patch — just make and install — pastebin in a sec.. letting it complete

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Beirdo:

QFSFileEngine isn't explicitly used anywhere in mythtv

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wylie:

http://pastebin.com/dmktnBMg

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Beirdo:

hmm, gonna need with -v extra I think

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Beirdo:

err

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Beirdo:

-v system,extra

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Beirdo:

sorry

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wylie:

np, http://pastebin.com/iFp8Cjgj

[08:23:24]

Beirdo:

oh blast

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Beirdo:

I see the issue, one sec

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Beirdo:

it's not passing it back up

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wagnerrp:

i need to get some new thermal grease

[08:24:39]

wagnerrp:

ive still got half a tube left

[08:24:43]

wagnerrp:

but its from like 2003

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wagnerrp:

and its getting really hard to squeeze it out

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wylie:

:)

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Beirdo:

another patch forthcoming

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wylie:

right on — i'm patient and don't mind hanging in here to sort it (since you're willing to whack the mole) — it will save me my wife btiching when her sunday shows don't record. :)

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Beirdo:

http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/0002-Make . . . erence.patch

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Beirdo:

very simple change, but SHOULD make a world of difference

[08:29:21]

wylie:

building

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Beirdo:

Oh, I'm willing to whack said mole. I borked it, I gotta fix it :)

[08:31:07]

wylie:

the build would be done if my ubuntu distcc didn't somehow get borked

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Beirdo:

oh. always fun

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wylie:

k, running

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wylie:

i am pretty sure its working

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kormoc:

Beirdo, both or just one?

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wylie:

http://pastebin.com/reyuXQ8u so far

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Beirdo:

need both

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Beirdo:

I'll put it into master in a moment if it's working

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wylie:

i'll let it complete and check guide — but looking like progress

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Beirdo:

that is looking promising

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Beirdo:

actually, I'll squash em first, then merge it into master.

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Beirdo:

was there a ticket open yet on this?

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kormoc:

negative

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Beirdo:

k

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wylie:

I didn't see one, either. I saw a related one that was recent — but it looked to just be some goof

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Beirdo:

just wanted to make sure to clean it up if there was

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Beirdo:

we'll let this run first :)

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wylie:

yup, looks good — the guide is full

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wylie:

(and was empty starting about 36m ago)

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Beirdo:

yay

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wylie:

ty ty. :)

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Beirdo:

no problemo

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Beirdo:

good to have a live tester that can duplicate the issue at will

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Beirdo:

done. and in master

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wylie:

sweet, nice to sort that out quickly. off to bed, take care

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Beirdo:

night

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Beirdo:

that's one more buglet gone

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Beirdo:

and it seemed to match #9499

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Beirdo:

#9500 will take more brain scratching

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Beirdo:

OK, bed

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Beirdo:

hey look, my frontend did the same as #9500

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stanman246:

just a question: is it possible to create a live mythbuntu usb drive? So i can put it in any computer and then run the frontend, which connects to a backend somewhere on my lan?

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jamesd_laptop:

!seen a_good_tv_show

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MythLogBot:

a_good_tv_show has not been seen here

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kmdm:

Hey, could someone point me at where to look to resolve this error when trying to play DVDs: Player(1), Error: Couldn't find an A/V decoder for: '/dev/scd0' — thanks :)

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Perdignus:

Hi – I'm making progress trying to get audio from my new GT430 HDMI port. I compiled an Alsa snapshot and now can see it with "aplay -l" and can chose it with MythTV, but I can't get any audio from it and there doesn't appear to be any volume control of the device.

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Perdignus:

Here's what it looks like in alsamixer -> http://picpaste.com/capture-9TpK5Luz.JPG

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stuartm:

kmdm: first, is your DVD drive really at /dev/scd0?

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stuartm:

oh wait, how are you trying to play the dvd? There should be a leading dvd:// before the device name, at least if it was passed internally

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stuartm:

or via mythavtest

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M0nk3Ee:

Hi all, i'm using a nova-t-500 with firmware dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw, does anyone have a fix for the reboot issue. I have too cold start my pc other wise the tuners don't work

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stuartm:

M0nk3Ee: #linuxtv would be the best place to ask

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stuartm:

and no, I don't have a fix, annoying isn't it?

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M0nk3Ee:

thanks stuartm, yeah really annoying

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M0nk3Ee:

thinking about going out to buy another tuner card that just works, any recormendations

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stanman246:

hi any dutch users in here?

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stanman246:

i've got a cinergy 400 tv tuner (saa7134) but i can't find any channels. Am in holland, could anyone help me out a bit?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: there you go with another one of those version bumbs

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cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

I was looking to upgrade my nvidia 9500gt since vdpau seems to work well, but the most advanced deinterlacers don't seem perfect

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cleith:

would a gt 240 be a good choice / good upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

a 9500gt should be capable of advanced 2x at 1080i60

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cleith:

hmmm, i wonder what I am doing wrong...

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cleith:

i mean, it is pretty good, but every once in a while there are some artifacts and some lines at the top, kind of like tearing but nothing major

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wagnerrp:

not having enough power for that deinterlacer would result in slow playback

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wagnerrp:

not visual artifacts

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wagnerrp:

so upgrading to a more powerful card is going to result in exactly the same behavior

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cleith:

should i be specifying a modeline explicitly, right now the driver automatically selects one

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wagnerrp:

no, there is very little reason for anyone to manually specify a modeline these days

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cleith:

confession: i do have composite turned on, but i kill compiz before mythtv

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cleith:

is composite a no no?

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wagnerrp:

dont remember off hand

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cleith:

would it be a timing / sync problem?

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cleith:

not sure what all the settings should be in that dept

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cleith:

I have also tried to use software playback (ffmpeg I think is the setting in myth)

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wagnerrp:

Normal

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wagnerrp:

or maybe Standard

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt say 'ffmpeg'

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cleith:

that works well for livetv and recorded programs, but the OSD (like volume, position, etc) when I play videos (dvd for example) look really bad

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cleith:

any idea why?

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wagnerrp:

because youre using Xv, which doesnt support compositing elements on top of video like OSDs

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cleith:

can i change that for videos?

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wagnerrp:

so the OSD has to be rendered at video resolution, baked into the uncompressed video, and rescaled by the video card to display resolution

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wagnerrp:

yes, use the OpenGL renderer instead

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wagnerrp:

OpenGL is the preferred painter and renderer in mythtv

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cleith:

ok, thanx

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cleith:

if i am using vdpau though, i assume vdpau for OSD is best?

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wagnerrp:

there is very little difference between VDPAU and OpenGL when it comes to compositing

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wagnerrp:

in fact, the video frames decoded by VDPAU get mapped to a graphics texture, before being handed off to the pixel shaders for further processing

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wagnerrp:

in a very similar manner to how the opengl renderer functions

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knightr:

cleith, some 260 drivers are artificating problems I believe, would you happen to be using an old 260 driver?

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knightr:

s/are/had

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cleith:

I seem to be using 195.36.31

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cleith:

am i way out of date?

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wagnerrp:

no, those shoudl be fine

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cleith:

this was an rpm package from rpmfusion for fc12. are there newer drivers?

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gizmobay:

I can't get the dvd to work. Mythtv FE says can't open /dev/dvd. I don't have a /dev/dvd nor cdrom. What do I set this to?

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gizmobay:

using ubuntu

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gizmobay:

10.04

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wagnerrp:

you have nothing in /dev that looks like it might be a CD drive?

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tank-man:

doesn't ubuntu do something automatically when you insert your dvd?

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gizmobay:

nope

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cleith:

wagnerrp, I notice that on: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU the first table seem to imply that a 9500gt may have problems with advanced 2x. but the gt 220 and gt 240 look ok. I thought this might be my prob too?

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have a device node for your drive, thats really something for #ubuntu

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knightr:

cleith, yep as wagnerrp said it's fine, only 260 drivers had that problem. Staying at that version is fine... It's only if you had an early 260 driver that you would have problems...

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gizmobay:

okay, my home PC ubuntu lists /dev/dvd etc

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gizmobay:

I'll go to the ubuntu channel

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cleith:

knightr: how do these driver versions work? one would think that 260 is newer than 195

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wagnerrp:

cleith: correct

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xtort-:

wagnerrp, run 'eject /dev/sdb', 'eject /dev/sdc', etc until your cd/dvd drive opens

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xtort-:

then you've found it

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xtort-:

might have to do it as root to avoid permission problems

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wagnerrp:

gizmobay: ^^^

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cleith:

? you mean there is a version 260 that is newer than mine

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wagnerrp:

cleith: correct, there are multiple versions in the 256 and 260 series that are newer than yours

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cleith:

ok, thanks

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xtort-:

er... sorry wagnerrp, for some reason I thought you had asked that question

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cleith:

different topic (#lirc is dead), I have a hdpvr 1212. Just wondering if I would be able to use the IR receiver these days?

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cleith:

i have tried in the past but never got it working

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gizmobay:

xtort-: I only have sda and sg0 listed I tried sg0 I didn't get an error but the drive didn't open

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xtort-:

sg0 is likely the drive

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xtort-:

try sr0

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: ^^^ a sudden cluster of people unable to configure their drives means it's probably a good time to remove that setting, we don't need it, the mediamonitor code is capable of detecting the drives automatically

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stuartm:

it can even chose between two dvd drives on the basis of which one has the disc

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kmdm:

stuartm: <huge delay>Had to run out for a bit</huge delay> ... and yes it is, well, scd0 symlinks (correctly) to sr0

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kmdm:

stuartm: the logs show it reading the DVD, doing the CSS stuff, reading VOBs etc... then it aborts with that error

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stuartm:

huh, that's odd then

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stuartm:

all discs, or just one?

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kmdm:

hm, interesting... brb ;)

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JEDIDIAH__:

on some systems, that device node is certainly subject to change

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kmdm:

stuartm: ok, I have a new question O:) ... Anything major change in mythtv from 0.22 to 0.24 regarding DVD regions? The DVDs that won't play are my girlfriend's region 1 DVDs (I'm in region 2, the drive has rpc1 firmware on it)... and they played find pre upgrading

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kmdm:

stuartm: thinking out loud... do I need any sort of force NTSC to PAL kinda setting?

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JEDIDIAH__:

have you tried this outside of myth? could be broken regardless of what app you're using.

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stuartm:

region checking isn't done by MythTV, so if anything changed it was in dvdcss or the drivers

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stuartm:

kmdm: no, mythtv automatically handles any format whether it's NTSC or PAL

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kmdm:

stuartm: yea, that agrees with what I thought... the only real "issue" I have in 0.24 is it's taking longer to startup, but not really investigated... and ok cool... thanks for your help... *goes to investigate dvdcss* ... btw, can I make mythtv more verbose about dvdcss/dvd stuff?

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Dave123-road:

anyone having troubles with adding new accounts/lineups on schedules direct?

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gizmobay:

when I try to play a dvd I get an invalid audio parameter and then a segfault.

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m4xx|home:

for some reason not all buttons are registering in mythtv, like the back/exit and guide buttons. they are set up in my lircd.conf file and in my lirc/mythtv file

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m4xx|home:

anyone care to help me diagnose the problem?

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m4xx|home:

and i do see them working when i test with irw

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gizmobay:

the dvd works with mplayer but not mythtv.

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gizmobay:

I have menus

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m4xx|home:

the keyboard looks fine though

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m4xx|home:

*works

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tank-man:

do the myth logs say anything interesting?

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m4xx|home:

not that i saw

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tank-man:

sure is a mystery

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m4xx|home:

i see video related stuff like -01–21 21:31:53.553 Player(2): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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m4xx|home:

but i dont think that's any way related

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m4xx|home:

ahhhh! thank you sir grep is my friend =]

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wagnerrp:

why do people insist on posting pictures of their pirated videos?

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dfgas:

i am sorry to bug you guys, but i have 2 choices to keep directv and use my computer to contoller the recievers and be able to record hd content in mythtv or get cable to use hd with. i heard that there are tv tuner cards that accept cablecards. i want 2 of what ever way. any ideas?

[18:33:41]

wagnerrp:

dfgas: there are currently no cablecard tuners available that work with mythtv

[18:33:52]

dfgas:

ughhh

[18:34:08]

wagnerrp:

the HDHomeRun Prime works with mythtv, but is not available for purchase

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dfgas:

i hate to say it, how bout with windows?

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wagnerrp:

the Ceton cards are available for purchase, but support in mythtv is still under development

[18:35:00]

wagnerrp:

when those devices do become usable with mythtv, you will only be able to access those shows marked 'copy freely'

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dfgas:

is there a way with the directv way?

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wagnerrp:

HDPVR and IR or network control

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wagnerrp:

apparently their boxes have a web server you can issue commands to

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dfgas:

wagnerrp: with the cablecard setup that i am looking at, i would need 1 cable card and that would work with the 4 tuners that are on the card?

[18:39:28]

dfgas:

wagnerrp: the hdpvr that i found is 199

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wagnerrp:

yes, one m-card is capable of decrypting up to 6 streams simultaneously

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dfgas:

are all cablecards a m-card?

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wagnerrp:

no

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dfgas:

so charter has to offer multistream cablecards?

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wagnerrp:

by fcc regulation, yes

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dfgas:

in order for that to work

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dfgas:

hmmmm

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wagnerrp:

but as mentioned, mythtv will only be able to use those shows marked 'copy freely'

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dfgas:

not sure if this is going to work

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wagnerrp:

which could be nothing

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wagnerrp:

the tivo series 3 and 4 units also support cablecard, and only the copy freely content is capable of being access from outside that unit

[18:42:41]

wagnerrp:

the copy once and copy never content is restricted to that single unit

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wagnerrp:

if you know anyone with a tivo

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dfgas:

no :(

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wagnerrp:

you could ask them what content they have available for remote access

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wagnerrp:

you could call charter saying you want to use a tivo for that purpose, and see if they give you any information

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what part of the pic says stolen videos?

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sphery:

(I'm just curious so I can recognice better)

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mattwj20021:

hi all

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the inconsistent use of periods in the names (meaning he didnt name them)

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wagnerrp:

DVDr in the title

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wagnerrp:

ACC, which is probably a group or quality tag

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sphery:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: on the otherhand, it seems it may be a misspelling of AAC

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wagnerrp:

which combined with 'dvdr' makes even less sense

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sphery:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i cant find any meaning for it

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dfgas:

anyone know anything about qam tuners

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wagnerrp:

sure, ask away

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dfgas:

isn't that want lets say charter uses for their boxes? qam tuners?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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dfgas:

so why can they tell my tuner card, which has qam tuner on it, what signals i get?

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dfgas:

ie hd channels

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

your qam tuner can tune and capture any channel they broadcast

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dfgas:

alright i called charter and told them my tv has a qam tuner in it. they told me in order to use it without a cable box that i would need a cablecard

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wagnerrp:

however many or most of them will be encrypted

[19:21:20]

wagnerrp:

and thats where the cablecard comes in

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dfgas:

oh

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dfgas:

so then i need a tuner that has the cablecard slot on it right?

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wagnerrp:

in theory, the tuner captures, passes to the cablecard... cablecard decrypts and passes to the system

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dfgas:

wait

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dfgas:

then all i would need is a pcmcia slot then right?

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wagnerrp:

in practice, the tuner captures, passes to the cablecard... cablecard decrypts, then reencrypts, and passes crippled content to the system

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dfgas:

or do the 2 have to be together?

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wagnerrp:

when you want to play content, the crippled content is passed through the cablecard, authorized for use by the cable company, decrypted, encrypted again, passed through a protected chain to the video card, through HDMI/HDCP, and to your tv

[19:23:34]

wagnerrp:

if you think that circuitous route is a bit ridiculous, welcome to the world of DRM

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dfgas:

i have a usb tuner that has clearqam on it, if i bought a pcmcia slot for my computer would that work? for the cablecard

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wagnerrp:

no, cablecard is not a PCMCIA card

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dfgas:

oh thought it was

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wagnerrp:

it may share the same physical appearance

[19:24:37]

wagnerrp:

but electronically, it is much different

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dfgas:

ahh

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dfgas:

darn it

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wagnerrp:

you need an authorized device to talk to it

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dfgas:

no way i am paying 399 for a tv card with cablecard access

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dfgas:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

and authorization costs 6–7 figures

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dfgas:

and the directv way would be 400 totoal

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dfgas:

total

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wagnerrp:

the price is intentionally kept high to prevent companies from making cablecard compatible parts

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dfgas:

plus i would need the IR stuff for the computer too

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wagnerrp:

the cable companies want you to continue leasing their boxes and DVRs, than to use your own

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dfgas:

ahhh

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dfgas:

what is the name of that part that i need to control the dish boxes through IR

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dfgas:

wait i think that hdpvr comes with a ir blaster

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dfgas:

sorry rememberd the name of it

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wagnerrp:

basically, cable labs lightening the restrictions on cablecard, and all these devices coming out, is a last ditch attempt to make themselves useful

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wagnerrp:

in the wake of the FCC deeming cablecard an utter failure, and starting to outline a replacement

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, I have again the bug launch 1 job on slave backend ! v0.24-113-g90fe13c

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FabriceMG:

with mythweb

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trumee:

guys, is there any card which has an analog encoder (like of wintv pvr 150/250) but uses pci express

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trumee:

my motherboard has only two pci slots which are occupied so i wanted to use some pci express card

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Sparks_IT:

Been trying to find any recent information...How well does MythTV work with Hulu\YouTube\Netflix?

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Sparks_IT:

From what i found, the only way for Netflix is to run in a Windows XP VM, but that was from early 2010

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Sparks_IT:

this stil the case?

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trumee:

Sparks_IT, there is something about Youtube in the latest release

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trumee:

Sparks_IT, i dont use it though

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SirColin:

hi everyone, could some please tell me what i need to call to access mythbackend from a tunnelled ssh session

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JEDIDIAH__:

Is there DRM? If yes, then is that DRM implemented in Linux? If not, then there you go.

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JEDIDIAH__:

Hulu and Youtube run fine in Linux. Netflix doesn't.

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JEDIDIAH__:

Hulu doesn't use modern GPU video acceleration features in Flash. This is an OS independent problem.

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JEDIDIAH__:

Youtube does use the latest fancy flash GPU-centric features. This is also an OS independent thing.

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blizzard_:

ping pong

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blizzard_:

name of OSD notify plugin/script?

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stuartm:

that's not it

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blizzard_:

que?

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blizzard_:

ah found mythtvosd

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cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

Anyone ever come across: Error: SwitchToProgram's OpenFile failed (card type: HDPVR).

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cleith:

Happens on live tv sometimes between programs

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sphery:

cleith: may need to increase your tuning timeout (if you're on 0.24+)

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cleith:

sphery, where/what is that?

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sphery:

in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

on the capture cards page for the card, IIRC

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cleith:

OK, I see that mine is currently set to 12000ms = 12s. Any advice on a good value? Any danger of setting it too high?

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sphery:

12s may be high enough... I'd say set it higher and see if it works better

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sphery:

if not, and if channel changes take longer or something (though I don't think they will), you can lower it again

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sphery:

max it out to see if it helps

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sphery:

cleith: ^^

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cleith:

I think you are on to something here ;)

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

hope it helps

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cleith:

Based on your tip I have been doing some googling and it looks like this may help

[21:52:08]

cleith:

It will take me a bit to test, but thanks.

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cleith:

Do you know much about video cards?

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cleith:

Specifically, nvidia?

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cleith:

I have a 9500gt and it works well, but not perfect (vdpau works, but best deinterlacing methods still don't produce a perfect result on 1080i

[21:54:04]

cleith:

I have tried a lot of settings but still can't get it working the way I want

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sphery:

I'm definitely not the best one to ask about that stuff

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cleith:

OK

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sphery:

there are some guys who hang out here who know it well, though

[21:55:01]

sphery:

so stick aruond and someone will likely come by to help

[21:56:02]

kormoc:

cleith, try using the 1x methods?

[21:56:32]

cleith:

sphery, thanx

[21:56:52]

cleith:

kormoc: I have, but that doesn't seem to be perfect either

[21:57:03]

kormoc:

Define perfect

[21:57:21]

cleith:

kormoc: should a 9500gt (1GB) be capable of the best deinterlacing though?

[21:57:38]

kormoc:

my 9300M does 1x advanced just fine

[21:57:54]

kormoc:

'Best Deinterlacing' is really a personal preference

[21:58:06]

cleith:

kormoc: agreed

[21:58:52]

cleith:

kormoc: well for me, i would say Advanced 2X would look the best except for some weirdness in the top quarter of the screen once in a while

[21:59:17]

sphery:

makes sense since 2 > 1

[21:59:18]

sphery:

;)

[21:59:34]

cleith:

kormoc: almost like a line is briefly drawn across, maybe like a quick tear, or quick out of sync?

[21:59:52]

cleith:

and pan shots are sometimes a bit jerky

[21:59:58]

sphery:

(that's to say, I have no idea what any of them do, so I wouldn't have any way of determining what's best)

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cleith:

sphery: ;)

[22:01:28]

cleith:

I know there are a lot of factors at play, but if I did try to upgrade, is this roughly the right order of cards (increasing performance):

[22:01:49]

cleith:

9500gt, 9600gt, gt 240, 9800gt ?

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sphery:

Strange that #9502 didn't spur people to action. Isn't that the generally accepted way of getting what you want?

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sphery:

I mean being derisive, condescending, and rude should work

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AndyCap:

Someone still uses pvr350 out?

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kormoc:

A fair number of folks do

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sphery:

AndyCap: yeah, we're still living with the nightmare of the FUD that told everyone and their brother that it gave the best quality TV out

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AndyCap:

ah, yes quality.

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sphery:

(Where, really, getting equivalent/better quality TV out with nvidia cards was possible--it's just that with PVR-350 TV out, it was an all or nothing thing... You either had it working, in which case, it was the best quality you could get from the PVR-350 TV out, or you didn't. With nvidia, you could misconfigure it and still get output, but unless you configured properly, you didn't get good output quality.)

[22:16:43]

sphery:

and it may have been affected, also, by the specific nvidia card you used (as some had low-quality TV out encoders)

[22:17:28]

sphery:

at least that was my understanding/experience

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clgshaft:

Hey

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sphery:

(as someone who used PVR-350 TV out for 2 weeks, then realized it was awful because of lack of real video card capabilities, so I switched to nvidia and after configuring properly, got better TV out)

[22:18:56]

** AndyCap never used tv-out **

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sphery:

I did from Feb 2004 to Nov 2006

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** AndyCap hacked together a vga to scart cable instead **

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sphery:

wonder if Dave Morrison hangs out here... should have mentioned --disable-symbol-visibility in my post

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sphery:

AndyCap: cool

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stuartm:

I'm dismayed that some are still using such old versions of gcc

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sphery:

stuartm: yeah... only enabling visibility for 4.2+ shouldn't affect many

[22:25:51]

sphery:

seems the right approach to me

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ptriller:

Hi, can someone tell me why sometimes my mythtv just does not record shows I selected through mythweb. the rule is sitting around in the list, and just wont do anything.

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sphery:

ptriller: Go to Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded within 10 days of the airing, find an episode that it didn't record, and look for the reason

[22:28:10]

sphery:

should be bottom left or so

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sphery:

depending on theme

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ptriller:

it says "Not in the tv-program" seems the EPG was updated or something, and added more text,

[22:30:41]

ptriller:

Is there a way to avoid that ?

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sphery:

ptriller: yeah, don't use timeslot recordings

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sphery:

use Find recording rules

[22:31:10]

sphery:

Find one episode ... at any time

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sphery:

or Record any time

[22:31:44]

sphery:

the problem was your EIT changed the program listing after you created the recording rule

[22:32:18]

sphery:

so the specific program in the specific time slot you picked didn't exist--it was that program in a different time slot, and you didn't tell it to record in that different time slot

[22:32:39]

sphery:

if it's the program you want, then don't restrict it to that time slot

[22:32:54]

sphery:

really, there's almost never a good reason to use a time slot recording rule

[22:33:44]

sphery:

if you do that for an all episodes, it will miss episodes even if your EIT doesn't change the data because sometimes the broadcaster will shift start/end times by a minute or a few

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ptriller:

ok, so how should I record a show ? select it in the list and use "find and record one showing of this title" if its a one time thing ?

[22:37:57]

sphery:

yep

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ptriller:

ok, thanks a lot

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sphery:

y/w, enjoy

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sid3windr:

oh hmm

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sid3windr:

timeslot is really minute-based

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sid3windr:

guess that explained why I sometimes missed some

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sphery:

second-based, I think

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sid3windr:

aww, even worse ;)

[22:39:52]

sphery:

yeah

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sid3windr:

but "find one per week" does not work for me

[22:40:01]

sphery:

if you have a provider that uses seconds...

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sid3windr:

they often do reruns in the same week

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sid3windr:

and my epg does not always have episode data

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sphery:

yeah, you need to teach mythtv you've already seen those re-runs

[22:40:30]

sid3windr:

or well, rerun not in the same week actually

[22:40:32]

sphery:

Never Record the episodes

[22:40:36]

sphery:

or record them then delete

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sid3windr:

progam on friday

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sid3windr:

rerun on monday

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sid3windr:

if I choose "one per week" I have a chance it records twice the same ;/

[22:41:01]

sid3windr:

but in the EPG it's just the program name

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sid3windr:

no title or episode number or anything

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sphery:

or you can use custom rules

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sid3windr:

yea I'll probably go that way :)

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sphery:

and create a ranged time-based rule

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sphery:

"Anytime on a specific day of the week", "Only on weekdays (Monday through Friday)", "Only on weekends", "Only in primetime", "Not in primetime" are all examples that you could start from (or use outright)

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xaxes:

hey all

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sphery:

hey

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xaxes:

hey sphery ;)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, I'm going to change to progstart/progend and recstart/recend, today

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sphery:

thanks for the suggestion

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xaxes:

I have a clean setup of mythtv.. but switching channels lasts few seconds, and on some channels I get (only sometimes) You should have got the channel lock by now

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sphery:

xaxes: sounds like you need to increase the channel change timeouts

[22:49:18]

sphery:

what type of recorder?

[22:49:26]

sphery:

and what version of mythtv

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xaxes:

sphery: where can I find the recorder? set up a LNB (skystar dvb-s)

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sphery:

I meant what capture device are you using

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sphery:

sounds like DVB-S based

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xaxes:

yes

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sphery:

so yeah, there are 2 timeouts in mythtv-setup for the capture cards you've defined

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xaxes:

dbschema is 1264, version 0.24

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sphery:

increase them (start with max, then work your way down, as necessary)

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wagnerrp:

wow... #9502 is about a worthless as they come

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, and downright mean

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sphery:

besides, if it really doesn't work for him, he can just not upgrade software until he upgrades hardware

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sphery:

xaxes: cool, yeah, sounds like you need to up the timeouts

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xaxes:

sphery: Am I right: signal timeout increase will (hopefully) fix the lock error and decreasing the tuning timeout the channel-switch time?

[22:52:39]

xaxes:

ah ok..

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Perdignus:

Why might DVD root menus often be very choppy (audio-wise)? With "ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun" in the frontend logs?

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sphery:

xaxes: also, make sure you're using current 0.24-fixes (like get the updated packages for your distro--and note that on some distros you need to enable them, like http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for any *buntu distro)

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sphery:

xaxes: decreasing tuning timeout means that mythtv will just give up earlier

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xaxes:

mhh.. damn.. of course.. was building it last night.. *gonna look for it

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xaxes:

aah ok :)

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xaxes:

thanks so far sphery :)

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sphery:

xaxes: there's no way to make your hardware work faster :)

[22:53:51]

sphery:

especially not through a setting in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i really dont understand the people who get so defensive when you tell someone else not to talk about their illegal activities on the mailing list

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sphery:

mythtv only waits as long as you let it--through the timeout--then gives up

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wagnerrp:

i wasnt threatening them, i wasnt saying anything bad about them

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wagnerrp:

i merely said to keep it off the lists

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xaxes:

sphery: it worked like a charm (but there I came from an 0.22 version and only took the databse updates .. a fresh install looks very different and behaves in another way ^^

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sphery:

so even if you have long timeouts, when it sees that tuning/lock succeeded, it will start giving you video as soon as it can

[22:55:08]

sphery:

so long timeouts shouldn't be a problem

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sphery:

only time they'll actually slow things down (unless I'm terribly mistaken) is when doing a channel scan

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sphery:

which is why we can't just set them to max for everyone

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xaxes:

ah, ok :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: agreed--and usually he's not bad

[22:55:56]

sphery:

and he actually is a lawyer

[22:56:03]

sphery:

(maybe the SD lawyer, too)

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sphery:

xaxes: so you built mythtv yourself?

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sphery:

xaxes: if so, did you use git to retrieve it, as at: http://code.mythtv.org/trac ("Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.24 stable branch, do this")?

[22:56:57]

sphery:

that's where you want it

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xaxes:

yes, usually I do (wanted more current version, but this causes a downgrade^^)

[22:57:03]

sphery:

though there's much to say about using packages

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xaxes:

yes, it's git

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sphery:

downgrade? You're going from development to stable?

[22:57:34]

sphery:

(from unstable to stable)

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xaxes:

yes (means to delete database and so on ;) )

[22:57:45]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

we have a one-way road for mythtv

[22:58:04]

xaxes:

you helped me the last days often on this topic ^^

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sphery:

ah, cool

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, You have list admin access, yes?

[22:59:03]

sphery:

I'm terrible with remembering nicks

[22:59:18]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, If we have some people who want to fight about the rules, can we ping you for unsubscribe/bans?

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xaxes:

sphery: whats about the dvb tuning delay stuff? should I increase it too?

[23:00:21]

iamlindoro:

I'm sick and tired of the list being the only place people get to argue that it's okay to steal because they know nobody will ever get removed, especially when there's obvious theft going on

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sphery:

xaxes: I recommend increasing both to max, then testing, and if it's better, you can play with lowering them until you see problems

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sphery:

i.e. trial + error should know the right values

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xaxes:

Im wondering, because it worked like a charm with a version that goes through updates.. =\

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, yes sir

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, You rock, thanks

[23:04:51]

iamlindoro:

"How do you know I'm stealing! CEASE YOUR LIBEL!"

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iamlindoro:

This after posting screenshots with all sorts of obvious torrent downloads

[23:05:06]

iamlindoro:

morons

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iamlindoro:

And then they jump on wagnerrp as though he's the bad guy-- that's the part that pissed me off

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** sphery supposes he should output the old/unrecognized schema version info when failing the upgrade **

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, Geoff is actually a Canadian Lawyer and on SD's board... that could get complex

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iamlindoro:

Then you should tell him to not be a moron

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iamlindoro:

If that's true then he of all people should know that we can't have the *slightest* indication of supporting piracy

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sphery:

I think most readers had a hard time figuring out what it was that wagnerrp saw

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iamlindoro:

which is why I explained it

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

that's definitely good

[23:09:33]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp did him a favor by not being obvious in calling him out

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sid3windr:

being on SD board should not give you myth rights ;)

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xaxes:

sphery: maximum values result in the same error message =\

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iamlindoro:

sid3windr is correct

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iamlindoro:

being on SD's board doesn't give you the right to associate us with your pirated material-- in fact, if you want privilege then you held to a higher standard-- not a lower one

[23:10:54]

iamlindoro:

and he has no right whatsoever to tell us how to enforce rules on our own list

[23:11:06]

iamlindoro:

Must be a defense attorney :P

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sid3windr:

heheh

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sphery:

xaxes: then it sounds like maybe a problem with tuning/getting a lock :)

[23:11:54]

sphery:

I don't have any other suggestions--other than try some other channels and see if it's just a channel that you don't get or is encrypted or ...

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xaxes:

sphery: most channels work.. ^^ but thanks for youer help.. have to go to bed ^^ (watch tv :D)

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xaxes:

see ya ;)

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cleith:

Later, thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

i thought i was being cool about it

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wagnerrp:

i didnt repost the link, i didnt go on a big long speech

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wagnerrp:

i just said please dont post images with those names, and linked the rules

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trumee:

so there are no fm tuner/tv cards which use pci express?

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wagnerrp:

trumee: mythtv doesnt do fm radio

[23:25:06]

trumee:

i am really after a pciex fm tuner. tvcard would be a bonus

[23:25:17]

trumee:

wagnerrp, yes, i am aware of that

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wagnerrp:

i think the hauppauge cards might

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wagnerrp:

the MCE versions anyway

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trumee:

wagnerrp, pci ex?

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** trumee wasnt aware hauppauge cards used pci ex **

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure the 2250 has FM

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trumee:

is there no pciex to pci convertor?

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wagnerrp:

there are, theyre expensive

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trumee:

wagnerrp, 2250 is nice. could it be a drop in replacement for pvr 350?

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i only need analog input btw.

[23:29:09]

wagnerrp:

more like a drop in replacement for a -500

[23:29:29]

wagnerrp:

note that it only has one tuner input, with an internal splitter

[23:29:41]

wagnerrp:

the second coaxial line is for radio, not the second tuner

[23:30:12]

wagnerrp:

does mythlogbot have any sort of paging system?

[23:30:21]

wagnerrp:

automated messages sent when someone signs on

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trumee:

wagnerrp, what is the difference between 350 and 500?

[23:31:03]

wagnerrp:

the 350 is single input and output

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sphery:

500 has dual tuners and no TV out

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wagnerrp:

the 500 is dual input

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trumee:

ah, i see

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** kormoc wonders if trumee is the #9502 guy **

[23:37:34]

wagnerrp:

no, the #9502 guy swore off mythtv

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sphery:

wagnerrp: there you go... feel free to clean up any of the python stuff

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sphery:

(just pushed mythvideo schema integration)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: do you know if https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/05caea0841575d would apply cleanly to 0.24?

[23:39:12]

wagnerrp:

FabriceMG was asking about it while i was out

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wagnerrp:

i put it in trunk, but never backported it

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kormoc:

It should, aye

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sphery:

ooh, wagnerrp gets to cherry-pick -x

[23:41:09]

wagnerrp:

or i could not, and piss off skd5aner... :)

[23:41:23]

sphery:

"You have 20 lookups left today" huh?

[23:41:33]

sphery:

why am I seeing that at the end of my whois command output?

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iamlindoro:

gotta pay to play, baby

[23:41:48]

sphery:

who decides how many I get? my DNS provider?

[23:41:58]

AndyCap:

sphery: the guy with the whois server?

[23:42:18]

sphery:

so is it just one whois server for all .com domains?

[23:42:26]

sphery:

if so, that's pretty funny

[23:42:33]

wagnerrp:

whoops, 'gut: Command not found.'

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sphery:

not going to be a problem for me, just wondering when this limit came about

[23:42:59]

sphery:

it was a command on my system, and not one of these web-based whois providers

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AndyCap:

sphery: one to tell you what whois to use and one for each registrar

[23:43:16]

sphery:

ah, so the registrar's whois probably

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AndyCap:

sphery: nice of them to tell you what the limit is before you hit it, but 20/day is a little low

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** AndyCap guesses they have a paid service, maybe even a pink contract. :P **

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

on the bright side, I do maybe one whois every month, so...

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wagnerrp:

man, how is saturday already gone

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AndyCap:

but it was a good saturday

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no joke

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stuartm:

sphery: there's no 'whois' on my system, just a 'whoami' – sadly that command wasn't as revealing as I'd hoped ;)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

stuartm: there's also: who am i

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stuartm:

:)

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sphery:

weird, who am i isn't working here... gives nothing

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sphery:

is my computer actually saying I'm a nothing

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** stuartm watches sphery suffer an existential crises **

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sphery:

:(

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stuartm:

crisis

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