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Tuesday, January 18th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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aclonedsheep:

anyone have a recommendation for a mini ITX mobo/cpu combo?

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aclonedsheep:

I cant even decide AMD/intel cuz i'm trying to keep cost down but want as much power as i can get , heh

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JEDIDIAH__:

you're basically recreating an ION/Mini. Recent NV GPU and the CPU of your choice.

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JEDIDIAH__:

faster CPU is better for background jobs & helps when mysql gets busy.

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JEDIDIAH__:

use a separate recording drive if you can.

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aclonedsheep:

i have a Nvidia 9800GT thats unused right now

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JEDIDIAH__:

that's a very good starting point.

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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aclonedsheep:

JEDIDIAH__, also a good PSU for the lion case i want

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JEDIDIAH__:

how many tuners are you planning on having.

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mattwj2002:

multiplexing rocks

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mattwj2002:

:D

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aclonedsheep:

I could just fix my desktop and use it as a backend but for now im just going to combine to make a combo and maybe make the toher desktop down the road

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** mattwj2002 multiplexes wagnerrp **

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aclonedsheep:

JEDIDIAH__, not many...just 1–2

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JEDIDIAH__:

commercial flagging will bog down if you don't have enough backend CPU power.

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JEDIDIAH__:

you can also use the desktop for running jobs. I do that.

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aclonedsheep:

yeah I want a computer up in my office besides my laptop, so fixing my desktop would be nice for that alone..but theres no coax cable up there and its too far to run an ethernet cable, so its not really ideal for a backend anytway

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JEDIDIAH__:

got a wired network?

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aclonedsheep:

only within range of my TV

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aclonedsheep:

and cable modem

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JEDIDIAH__:

wired network makes having n+1 mythboxes a lot simpler.

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aclonedsheep:

yeah thats part of why i want a combo box becuase it will all be wired then

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aclonedsheep:

so i might just recycle the desktop parts i can and live with using my laptop in my office. What do you recommend for a good balance of budget/power CPU that can handle commercial flagging etc?

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JEDIDIAH__:

AMD seems to be a good balance of cost, speed and heat generation.

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mattwj2002:

AMD Phenom X6?

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JEDIDIAH__:

not sure about an X6 in the living room but it's certainly got enough horsepower.

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JEDIDIAH__:

good passive cooler might help

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JEDIDIAH__:

same goes for the video card

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aclonedsheep:

yeah the x6 looks pretty cool but might be pricy for me, the 2.8 isnt bad though

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mattwj2002:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

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mattwj2002:

$179

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mattwj2002:

:)

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aclonedsheep:

yeah thats really not bad at all

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aclonedsheep:

its only like $79 for a athlon II 3ghz dual core or something along those lines

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aclonedsheep:

i dunno if thatd cut it

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mattwj2002:

are you talking frontend or backend?

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mattwj2002:

or both?

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aclonedsheep:

going for a combo mini ITX setup

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mattwj2002:

ok

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aclonedsheep:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112265

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aclonedsheep:

havent picked out a mobo yet

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mattwj2002:

word of advice

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mattwj2002:

get a NVIDIA graphics card

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mattwj2002:

hard to find with AMD but they are out there

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aclonedsheep:

you mean on board? I have a 9800GT i can use

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mattwj2002:

sorry that is what I meant

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mattwj2002:

yeah

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mattwj2002:

ok

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mattwj2002:

nevermind that works then

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mattwj2002:

if I had the money I would go with a hex core

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mattwj2002:

I have a quad core

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mattwj2002:

it works pretty well

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

2 TB of storage

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

auto re-encodes using mythexport to my android phone and ipod touch

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aclonedsheep:

nice, i have a ndroid

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mattwj2002:

mythexport works well when you hack it to use handbrake instead of ffmpeg

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mattwj2002:

the video is smooth as silk

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mattwj2002:

:D

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aclonedsheep:

nice

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aclonedsheep:

mattwj2002, what do you think of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153179

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: how much less could you care about the UPnP stuff?

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wagnerrp:

aclonedsheep: to be fair, most of the vocal anti-atom folks in here have 'mythtv/developer/<username>' as their host mask

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aclonedsheep:

newegg doesnt carry an gigabyte AMD miniITX, only intel

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mattwj2002:

one queston

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aclonedsheep:

wagnerrp, so their opinions are especially valid? :b

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aclonedsheep:

yeah matt?

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mattwj2002:

will be built in ATI graphics play nice with your NVIDIA graphics card?

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aclonedsheep:

it'd be disabled

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aclonedsheep:

in the bios

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mattwj2002:

okay

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aclonedsheep:

im sure thats an option...

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

otherwise looks good

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aclonedsheep:

notice the type of RAM, I just bought some notebook ram for the atom system so I'd like to use it...

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mattwj2002:

4 out of 5 sttars

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aclonedsheep:

yeah its a new mobo brand for me so im skeptical

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aclonedsheep:

some DOAs but i guess that always happens and those people will comment

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mattwj2002:

indeed

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aclonedsheep:

the other option is Zotac (for AMD) but then id have to buy DDR3

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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mattwj2002:

ASUS have any options?

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mattwj2002:

I love ASUS

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aclonedsheep:

not for mini ITX

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aclonedsheep:

not many options...

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mattwj2002:

ok

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aclonedsheep:

theres a gigabyte for an intel CPU but thatll be more obviously

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mattwj2002:

yeah

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mattwj2002:

:O

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mattwj2002:

the jetway has hdmi!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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aclonedsheep:

ya thats a must for me

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aclonedsheep:

i need to HDMI into my TV cuz i have optical sound from the TV

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mattwj2002:

got ya

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mattwj2002:

sounds great

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aclonedsheep:

is 2gb enough or i need 4?

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aclonedsheep:

RAM that is

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mattwj2002:

got with 4 if you can

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aclonedsheep:

considering its 200pin DDr 2 SO-DIMM

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mattwj2002:

my mythtv box has 8

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aclonedsheep:

newegg is out of stock of the chip i already have...is it okay to mix brands as long as specs match?

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mattwj2002:

yeah should be

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mattwj2002:

just make sure it is a match

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aclonedsheep:

its $430 so far...need to get a tuner and thats it I think

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mattwj2002:

HD?

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aclonedsheep:

i have one already

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aclonedsheep:

im recycling parts to keep costs down for now

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mattwj2002:

if you are looking for a tuner look at the HDHomeRun

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

:)

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aclonedsheep:

they just connect to the ethernet?

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mattwj2002:

yes

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mattwj2002:

it plugs into the network

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aclonedsheep:

the single tuner is on sale right now

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mattwj2002:

really how much?

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wagnerrp:

too much

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aclonedsheep:

its $49, says its usally $99

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but the dual tuner is available for $70

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aclonedsheep:

oh yeah? where

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mattwj2002:

anyone want to buy me a late Christmas present?

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mattwj2002:

;)

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wagnerrp:

erm, no... that was a hard drive, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

its regularly down under $100 though

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kormoc:

aclonedsheep, amazon.com has it under $100 fairly often

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kormoc:

aclonedsheep, I got one like a month ago for $79.99

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aclonedsheep:

its $105 there now

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aclonedsheep:

i could just wait on that then

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mattwj2002:

either way

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mattwj2002:

the hdhomerun is great

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mattwj2002:

:)

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aclonedsheep:

cool, yeah ill want to pickup the QAM stuff

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mattwj2002:

I am doing multiplexing recording

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kormoc:

yeah, it cycles up and down for some reason

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mattwj2002:

lets say you have multiple programs you want to record on channel on 110

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mattwj2002:

at the same time

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: what is it going to take to get these people to give up on mythtv on the ps3?

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mattwj2002:

I just found out you can set up mythtv to record it at the same time using mythtv

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: can you explain it better?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, a PS4

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wagnerrp:

explain what?

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mattwj2002:

multiplexing

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mattwj2002:

recording

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kormoc:

mattwj2002, he never asked what it was so perhaps he already knows?

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

good point

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** mattwj2002 is recording two shows at once using one tuner! :D **

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aclonedsheep:

i dont know what it is, sounds cool tho

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wagnerrp:

digital channels exist as a substream on a multiplex

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wagnerrp:

the multiplex is the physical channel

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wagnerrp:

multiple digital channels can exist on this multiplex

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aclonedsheep:

ah cool... I get it

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wagnerrp:

and since a digital tuner tunes a multiplex, a digital tuner can record multiple digital channels off this multiplex simultaneously

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aclonedsheep:

is that why the stations are like XXX.XX

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and how your local stations may have a main channel and a weather/news channel

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wagnerrp:

or pbs has half a dozen different channels all at once

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aclonedsheep:

I used to get all cable stations for free through the QAM tuner btu comcast decided to start encrypting more :/ still can get local/public and some stuff

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mattwj2002:

comcast has one multiplex with 10 channels

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mattwj2002:

but mythtv can only record 5 at a time

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mattwj2002:

:(

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kormoc:

unless you increase the max value in the code

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mattwj2002:

hehe true

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wagnerrp:

s/code/database/

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kormoc:

whichever

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wagnerrp:

its just a soft limit made by only listing 1–5 in the dropdown

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kormoc:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

but its a sensible value considering the limitations of tuner cards and the scheduler

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mattwj2002:

some nice developer should change that ;)

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wagnerrp:

no, a developer shouldnt

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jannau:

I'm pretty sure it's a code modification

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jannau:

one could of course insert the necessary values in the database but that's more complicated than changing the source and recompiling

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you actually have to manually create new virtual tuner cards in the database

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wagnerrp:

you have to know what youre doing

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wagnerrp:

im just saying there is nothing in the code specifically limiting you to five

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wagnerrp:

its just that the selector only goes up to five

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kormoc:

I likely should have used 4 vtuners rather then 5

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kormoc:

as the max number I have locally is 4

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aclonedsheep:

i really doubt there will be that much on TV at once that i want to record

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aclonedsheep:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

anyone know anything about this Harry's Law piloting tonight?

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al_nz1:

trying to install mythtv backend on ubuntu

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al_nz1:

I am running the setup

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al_nz1:

and after clicking yes to add the user it keeps getting me to logout

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al_nz1:

then login

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al_nz1:

then I have to click yes and logout again

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al_nz1:

vicious circle....

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wagnerrp:

thats nothing mythtv does

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you need #mythbuntu

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al_nz1:

wagnerrp: isnt that just for the prebuilt iso of mythtv?

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al_nz1:

I am trying to install on ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

no, mythbuntu adds in a lot of extra utilities to automate installation and operation of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

including whatever this dialog you seem to be struggling with

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing in mythtv that ever asks you to log out of anything

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al_nz1:

trying to folow the guide @ http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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al_nz1:

in fact I have noticed that a lot of guide in linux dont work

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al_nz1:

because there is so many freaking variables

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aclonedsheep:

can you pause live tV w/ mythTV? i'm wondering if i am gonna cancel cable if i still really need DVR ... i may keep cable though. lots of decisions

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wagnerrp:

thats because there are a lot of really old guides

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv is a DVR, you can pause livetv sessions

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wagnerrp:

in fact, livetv sessions are nothing more than a scheduled recording with a bit of glue to make channel changing work

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m4xx|home:

i currently only have one program recording yet when i try to watch live tv it only will let me watch the currently recording program or exit. any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

m4xx|home: you have multiple tuners?

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m4xx|home:

YES

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m4xx|home:

ACK

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m4xx|home:

yes

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m4xx|home:

both are listed in lspci and i see both get loaded in messages log

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kormoc:

mythtv's status page shows both listed?

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wagnerrp:

are they digital tuners?

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m4xx|home:

where is the status page?

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wagnerrp:

http://<backend ip>:6544

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m4xx|home:

no

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m4xx|home:

let me check my backend =\

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m4xx|home:

backend says "could not open '/dev/video1' to probe its inputs

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m4xx|home:

why would one tuner work an the other not? they are both the same tuner model/version, and both have a tuner type set

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wagnerrp:

what tuners?

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m4xx|home:

hvr1600

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wagnerrp:

32-bit or 64-bit?

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m4xx|home:

32

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wagnerrp:

you dont have enough kernel memory space for those to function properly

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wagnerrp:

you need to manually set vmalloc on the boot line

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alan`:

hey quick question

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alan`:

i have a Hauppage PVR 1600 and 150 in a mythtv box

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wagnerrp:

thats a quick statement

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alan`:

i had just the PVR 1600 installed before, tried to add the pvr 150 to another box remotely, no luck

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alan`:

put it into the machine, still no luck

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alan`:

i'm looking to completely reinstall mythtv but every step i take gets mme back to the same config file being there when i try to start fresh

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only has one config file

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alan`:

yea where is that located?

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wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/config.xml

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alan`:

ok

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alan`:

i've removed that file and it still seems to regenerate itself

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alan`:

i'm to a point where i'm about to just reinstall

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m4xx|home:

wagnerrp: i've already got GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash vmalloc=256M" in /etc/default/grub

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larrikin:

I have a long standing issue of expiration of newer rather than older recordings, I often find that one or two of last night's recordings are being auto-expired in the early-am next day, older programs remain ..?

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larrikin:

n/m, I've just read about a problem with deletepending being set with no means to clear it after delete fails to happen

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wagnerrp:

m4xx|home: bump it to 384MB

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wagnerrp:

larrikin: do you have multiple hard drives?

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wagnerrp:

m4xx|home: or switch to a 64-bit build

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m4xx|home:

i dont see any vmalloc errors in log

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m4xx|home:

i'll give it a shot

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larrikin:

wagnerrp: yes, and old recordings are being stored (and seem immune to autoexpire) in both

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wagnerrp:

larrikin: auto-expiration is done in a per-drive manner

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wagnerrp:

the disk scheduler decides where to put the next recording

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wagnerrp:

and if that drive is deemed to not have enough free storage to hold the recording, something will be expired off of it

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wagnerrp:

even if you may have something months older on another drive

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larrikin:

so it won't try to move a recording from one volume to another ..

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wagnerrp:

no

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larrikin:

is this a bug, or possibly an oversight?

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wagnerrp:

neither

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wagnerrp:

at most, its a lack-of-feature

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larrikin:

actually some logic to decide where to put *new* recordings based on which vol has the *older* candidate for expiration ..perhaps ?

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wagnerrp:

you can write another storage scheduler routine to take that into account, but the existing three do not

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wagnerrp:

one goes based off IO load, one goes based off free space, one is a combination between the two

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larrikin:

both of my volumes have programs that should be being expired but newer programs are being deleted instead, there has to be more to this

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wagnerrp:

run 'mythbackend --printexpire'

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wagnerrp:

that is the order in which things are scheduled to expire

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wagnerrp:

when a drive needs free space, it will pick the lowest item in that list that exists on that drive

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** Beirdo yawms **

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Beirdo:

yawns rather

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larrikin:

it lists livetv items, followed by *newer* recordings and then older stuff.. clearly not ideal

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wagnerrp:

larrikin: was the older stuff recorded at a higher priority?

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m4xx|home:

no difference. they did both work at one point in time, i didn't mess with any configurations

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wagnerrp:

i believe recording priority is taken into account during expiration

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larrikin:

wagnerrp: I am uncertain about priorities, but I'm not don't believe I'm doing anything other than the default with priorities, there is no attaching of a genre to a priority-boost or similar.. but I do notice some *newer* recordings at the bottom of the expiration list too .. ie. livetv > newer > older > newer .. I have to figure out the difference between the two..

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wagnerrp:

anything livetv shouldnt survive past a day or two anyway

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larrikin:

wagnerpp: yes livetv is fine, works as expected

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nichos:

hi all, just upgraded to .24. I've noticed when watching livetv and pressing ch up, it goes to the chan above the start chan. So for example, if im on ch5, press up, it goes to 3, instead of 6

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nichos:

bug or setting i missed?:)

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quinten:

hi! i'm having a problem: mythtfilldatabase isn't working any more

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quinten:

every two weeks i've realized i have to manually run it

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larrikin:

wagnerpp: should the recpriority column in the recorded table be zero ? (all entries)

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larrikin:

wagnerrp: I can't fault the expiration list as it is now, it seems to be ranking the 'watched' programs immediately after the livetv in the expiration list.. I'll have to catch it after its recorded tonights lot but before the 2amish deletion happens.

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aclonedsheep:

hmm, will an on board ATI Radeon HD 4200 suffice for a front end/back end? just realized the mobo i picked out doesnt have pci express, might need to change plans

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[R]:

ATI sucks

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[R]:

define "suffice"

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aclonedsheep:

thats what I thoguht

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larrikin:

ATI trys hard tho..

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aclonedsheep:

hehe

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aclonedsheep:

well, just sucks, means I need to get new RAM cuz I have to get a different mobo

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aclonedsheep:

if i still do mini ITX

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Stevezau:

how do you force mythtv to do a media library update??

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[R]:

hit m

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Stevezau:

i get system menu

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Stevezau:

no option.. only about

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wagnerrp:

are you in mythvideo?

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Stevezau:

ah

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Stevezau:

am now

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Stevezau:

thanks

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Stevezau:

hmm i seem to be getting pixlation issues on liveTV AND watching vids.. Ive got a tv shows which i downloaded.. when watching it every now and then it gets gets a bit screwey.. any ideas what can be causing this?? I tested watching the file in xbmc and it works fine there, also mplayer

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wagnerrp:

tv shows which you downloaded?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content

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Stevezau:

huh

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Stevezau:

oh.. i meant one that ive recoreded

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Stevezau:

which is downloaded onto my hdd

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

uh huh...

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Stevezau:

all this time i thought it was the tuner not being able to cope..

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Stevezau:

it seems to fix it when i reboot.. it works fine for a few hours then it starts again

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wagnerrp:

sounds like tuner driver issues

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Stevezau:

thats what i thought.. but if i play the raw file in another player it works fine..

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Stevezau:

eg mplayer

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clgshaft:

Anyone know how to get a pvr 1600 to work with 64 bit? I have the cx18 initialization error.

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wagnerrp:

mplayer, xbmc, and mythtv all use the same decoder libraries

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wagnerrp:

if you are in fact using a newer version of the decoder libraries with one of those applications that is resolving your issue

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wagnerrp:

it will get picked up when we resync the libraries prior to 0.25

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Stevezau:

hmm k

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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wagnerrp:

not sure why a 6-tuner device would require two cable cards

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mattwj2002:

has anyone heard the rumor that there may be a HDHomeRun with 6 tuners including to two cable cards?

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mattwj2002:

it doesn't

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wagnerrp:

M-cards are capable of decoding six streams simultaneously

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mattwj2002:

that is a feature

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wagnerrp:

why would you want two cable cards?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: maybe the cards themselves have stability issues?

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mattwj2002:

I was just thinking 4 clear QAM tuners would rock

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mattwj2002:

:D

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wagnerrp:

get two hdhomeruns

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mattwj2002:

I probably will do that

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mattwj2002:

:)

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[R]:

i wish i had real channels on qam

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mattwj2002:

real channels? high bandwidth? better numbering?

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[R]:

more than locals

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mattwj2002:

oh ok

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clgshaft:

I don't even get locals on qam

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clgshaft:

Maybe 4 crappy channels

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[R]:

pretty sure that's illegal

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clgshaft:

Not where I live

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wagnerrp:

nah, hes a canuck

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wagnerrp:

those regulations only apply to the US

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[R]:

oh

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clgshaft:

My locals are digital ota anyway

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[R]:

crazy canadians

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clgshaft:

wagnerrp: Any idea where I can go for help on my 1600?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, only for a few more weeks

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kormoc:

oh wait

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kormoc:

well, they're doing the great digital switch, but nothing about cable requirements

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kormoc:

mattwj2002, why would it be a rumor? http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats a 3-tuner box, hes talking about a 6-tuner one

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kormoc:

multirec?

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kormoc:

but fair 'nuff

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wagnerrp:

no, no multirec in cablecard mode

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kormoc:

ahh, sad

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[R]:

no mythtv is cablecard...

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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[R]:

oh wait, nm

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[R]:

i forgot they said that the copy freely works

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[R]:

"THE WAIT IS OVER"

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[R]:

topgear is starting

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[R]:

i'm totally not gonna tune in

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[R]:

lol

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aclonedsheep:

any reason why id want mini ITX over microATX? someone here recommended the former earlier but i can only get the phenom x6 on the latter

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[R]:

cuz its so cute and tiny

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[R]:

like a little kitty

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wagnerrp:

the mini-itx is smaller, if you want to stuff something hidden behind a tv, mini-itx will be easier

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wagnerrp:

you cant put an x6 on any mini-itx boards?

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aclonedsheep:

oh its that much smaller? Alright, might be worth just doin a 95W quad core then

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wagnerrp:

they dont support the power requirements or something?

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aclonedsheep:

nah the mobo says 95W max

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aclonedsheep:

the ones ive found

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aclonedsheep:

maybe for intel but thats way too much $$ :b

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aclonedsheep:

its a bummer, price wise it dosnt seem worth it to get the AMD quad core over 6

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[R]:

i need moar powa

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kormoc:

aclonedsheep, http://www.unlogic.se/blogs/myblog/post/mini- . . . mparison.jpg

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aclonedsheep:

:b

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aclonedsheep:

kormac great thanks

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aclonedsheep:

I guess i'll sleep on it — part of me wants the x6 part of me wants the samller fit, heh

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[R]:

"I don't have a driver's license" "You don't need one to get in here"... talking about jail

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wagnerrp:

id love a pico-itx i3 system

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aclonedsheep:

yeah that would be nifty...

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[R]:

oh man

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[R]:

its so tiny

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[R]:

wheres the memory on that pico?

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aclonedsheep:

i wonder why theres so few mini ITX mobo offerings

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wagnerrp:

probably on the back

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wagnerrp:

it looks like there is a shield thats supposed to go on top of that board

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wagnerrp:

but then there would be no room for a heatsink

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aclonedsheep:

newegg says this under CPU type but offers a 125W CPU as a combo (Phenom II / Athlon II / Sempron 100 Series (Up to 95-watt TDP))

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[R]:

why would you need a heatsink for something like that? i'm sure its low power

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aclonedsheep:

maybe i should just go intel, better mobo choices...i guess i should look @ benchmarks

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jamesd2:

this is a graphic app... just get something with nvidia on board or something that supports the graphic card you desire... and find the mother board that supports quad core and a lot of ram for longevity...

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aclonedsheep:

so i do want quad core for sure? thanks james

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wagnerrp:

nvidia is always a good choice, but you cant really get them onboard anymore

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wagnerrp:

not on anything new anyway

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aclonedsheep:

i have a nvidia card handy fortunately

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aclonedsheep:

which is why im wavering on CPU, trying to keep cost down but want something i wont regret buying

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jamesd2:

i don't think mythtv needs quad core, but if you want to use the box for other things later, or if you want to mutltask or have lots of tuners... quad core comes in handy and are getting cheaper all the time

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[R]:

h264 comm flagging

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aclonedsheep:

yeah

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[R]:

so fast that its done before the show has finished recording

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[R]:

haha

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aclonedsheep:

AMD multicore definitely seems to be cheaper, just lack the selection for miniITX mobos it seems, just gotta think abotu the tradeoffs, i almost wish i had less options

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jamesd2:

4 or more dimm slots.. i never really found miniitx to be worth while unless you are really tight on space... i never find space to find a typical tower case...

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jamesd2:

er hide a typical tower case

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aclonedsheep:

with my current setup i might be able to hide a microATX just as easily, so it might be worht sacrificing some size for power

[04:29:29]

jamesd2:

i usually end up handing down older boxes to others or children thus i always try to get systems that supports lot of ram as that ram hides slower/older cpus after a small ram system is trashed because its too slow.

[04:30:20]

aclonedsheep:

makes sense

[04:31:07]

kormoc:

[R], my mini commflags closish to realtime

[04:31:18]

[R]:

kormoc: 1080i h264?

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aclonedsheep:

is sandy bridge the latest?

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kormoc:

[R], yes

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[R]:

kormoc: and i dindt say closish... i said faster than realtime

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[R]:

:P

[04:31:52]

kormoc:

[R], meh. who cares if it's a few minutes behind

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[R]:

lol

[04:32:31]

[R]:

all this guy was doing was cooking a burrito

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[R]:

and he got arrested

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kormoc:

And he wasn't even suppose to be there today

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wagnerrp:

did his girlfriend screw a dead guy in the bathroom?

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[R]:

lol

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JEDIDIAH__:

unless you've got some serious space constraints, a microatx based system should be very doable. expands the case options greatly.

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aclonedsheep:

yeah JEDIDIAH__ that is what i'm realizing

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aclonedsheep:

and mobo options greatly

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aclonedsheep:

considering a i5 sandy bridge quadcore now

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aclonedsheep:

heh

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aclonedsheep:

did sandy bridge just come out? newegg barely has any reviews

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** wagnerrp wonders what a version bumb is... **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo wonders why his windows POS won't ssh to his backend **

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wagnerrp:

sounds like something Tom Green would do

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Beirdo:

there it goes

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aclonedsheep:

anyone have experience with or knowledge of ASRock mobos?

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wagnerrp:

mark has been busy tonight...

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wagnerrp:

markk: i really like the fix for #9293... :)

[06:07:56]

wagnerrp:

users on ancient VIA Edens, not so much

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al_nz1:

can someone please help me to install mythtv on ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

this channel exists to help with specific questions, not as a personal guide

[06:16:22]

wagnerrp:

if you have a specific thing that you are confused with, we can try to answer

[06:16:40]

al_nz1:

well I have installed mythtv – I think – how do I start it?

[06:17:03]

wagnerrp:

have you configured it?

[06:17:32]

al_nz1:

how do I do that

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kormoc:

al_nz1, you need to read the documentation

[06:17:51]

kormoc:

Folks wrote it for a reason

[06:18:12]

wagnerrp:

specifically, you want to read mythbuntu documentation

[06:18:38]

al_nz1:

i have read lots of guides which either deviate from what i see or just plain dont work

[06:18:40]

wagnerrp:

they automate a number of tasks that you normally have to do before going into mythtv-setup (the backend configuration tool)

[06:18:45]

al_nz1:

else I wouldnt be here asking for help

[06:18:49]

al_nz1:

ubuntu forums

[06:18:53]

al_nz1:

myth tv this and that

[06:19:02]

al_nz1:

guyides that screw with you because they are too old

[06:19:04]

al_nz1:

etc

[06:19:05]

al_nz1:

etc

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wagnerrp:

so what have you done so far?

[06:19:06]

al_nz1:

etc

[06:19:12]

wagnerrp:

just install the package?

[06:19:20]

al_nz1:

wagnerrp: a crap load of different cli commands

[06:19:22]

al_nz1:

backends

[06:19:25]

al_nz1:

web front ends

[06:19:45]

al_nz1:

the flipping backend config doesnt even fit fully on my screen

[06:19:54]

wagnerrp:

what is your screen?

[06:20:25]

al_nz1:

1280x1024

[06:20:28]

wagnerrp:

sounds like youre trying to do it on a TV with heavy overscan issues

[06:20:31]

markk:

wagnerrp: no realistic alternative

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wagnerrp:

markk: no real point to trying to do otherwise

[06:21:25]

wagnerrp:

no sense fixing something that is both unnecessary, and due for deletion in the next version anyway

[06:21:59]

al_nz1:

so what do I do now

[06:22:05]

al_nz1:

run backend conf?

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wagnerrp:

have you created the database?

[06:22:25]

al_nz1:

nope

[06:22:35]

wagnerrp:

have you installed mysql?

[06:22:54]

al_nz1:

how do i check

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wagnerrp:

if you installed the proper mythtv package, it should have been done for you automatically

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al_nz1:

wagnerrp: well in synaptic package manager mysql-server shows as installed

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al_nz1:

wagnerrp: the proper mythtv package? as opposed to the unproper one?

[06:24:35]

wagnerrp:

meaning they have a bunch of different packages, some install and configure the database automatically, others dont

[06:25:07]

wagnerrp:

then there is mcc (mythbuntu control center) which does all sorts of... something

[06:25:21]

wagnerrp:

having never used ubuntu, i dont really know what all they do to automate an installation

[06:25:34]

al_nz1:

i have mcc too

[06:25:49]

al_nz1:

but i would assume the backend needs to be configured first?

[06:26:13]

wagnerrp:

im going to assume the database is installed, running, and minimally set up for now

[06:26:19]

wagnerrp:

since i dont know how to do that under ubuntu anyway

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al_nz1:

ok

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wagnerrp:

so on the terminal, run 'mythtv-setup'

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al_nz1:

Ok, and I pick english from the gui window that comes up

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al_nz1:

now i need to select hostname

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al_nz1:

ah wait i dont think the db is running

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu should have set up the database, and populated the login file for mythtv-setup to use

[06:29:44]

wagnerrp:

if you are going through database setup

[06:29:53]

wagnerrp:

you should look for help in #ubuntu-mythtv

[06:30:12]

al_nz1:

well I dont want to setup the db but mythtv-setup takes me there

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al_nz1:

ok I am in MCC control center?

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wagnerrp:

im almost certain #9492 is a dupe, but i cant find the ticket

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Beirdo:

if it were all in English, might be easier

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wagnerrp:

hes talking about the issue where the last tuned channel gets stored to the source

[06:57:51]

wagnerrp:

so if for whatever reason, you cannot record off that channel

[06:58:05]

wagnerrp:

when you open livetv, it sits there waiting to play, but never can

[06:58:11]

wagnerrp:

and eventually drops back to the menu

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wagnerrp:

although i believe in 0.24, you can now change channels before playback has begun

[06:58:52]

Beirdo:

ahhh, yeah, I do recall having seen that before

[06:58:57]

wagnerrp:

[26320]

[06:58:58]

MythLogBot:

SVN 26320: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a25465c1

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Beirdo:

found one record store that is open until midnight 365 days/yr

[07:01:05]

Beirdo:

with lots of LPs, lots of used CDs, lots of used DVDs

[07:01:26]

wagnerrp:

theres only one decent record store i know of around here

[07:01:32]

wagnerrp:

and they downsized and moved further away

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Beirdo:

I went to 4 today

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Beirdo:

and there were at least 2 more relatively nearby

[07:02:38]

Beirdo:

Seattle's a good place to find LPs :)

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wagnerrp:

no server suitable for synchronization found?

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Beirdo:

hehe

[07:03:32]

Beirdo:

ntp?

[07:03:34]

wagnerrp:

nonsense, thats a stratum 3

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Beirdo:

they could be blocking NTP (or just restarted the daemon and aren't locked yet)

[07:04:14]

Beirdo:

ntpdc

[07:04:18]

Beirdo:

then peers

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Beirdo:

:)

[07:04:28]

wagnerrp:

and its in perfect sync (at least to the second) with my phone

[07:04:34]

wagnerrp:

blocking NTP?

[07:04:38]

wagnerrp:

its my own friggen firewall

[07:04:43]

Beirdo:

ah

[07:04:51]

Beirdo:

make sure IT is synced

[07:05:07]

Beirdo:

if it's not synced, it's stratum 16

[07:05:19]

wagnerrp:

yeah, its reporting its stratum 3

[07:05:24]

wagnerrp:

connected to a stratum 2

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Beirdo:

well then it should be OK

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wagnerrp:

setting off the us pool it is...

[07:08:49]

Beirdo:

you coulda maybe blocked local NTP in your firewall

[07:09:02]

Beirdo:

but I dunno

[07:09:04]

wagnerrp:

no, because ntpd is connecting to it just fine

[07:09:09]

Beirdo:

heh

[07:09:12]

Beirdo:

fair enough

[07:09:15]

wagnerrp:

i just cant seem to do so with ntpdate for the initial set

[07:09:25]

Beirdo:

ahhh

[07:09:46]

Beirdo:

wonder if that's a TCP vs UDP 123 issue

[07:09:53]

Beirdo:

been a while since I checked that

[07:11:07]

wagnerrp:

Jewelry TV? why do i get that and not something like USA

[07:11:16]

Beirdo:

heheh

[07:11:43]

wagnerrp:

daystar .... sounds like an infomercial

[07:12:26]

wagnerrp:

ooh, i get one of the spanish channels

[07:12:31]

Beirdo:

hehe

[07:12:35]

Beirdo:

just what you need

[07:13:14]

wagnerrp:

83–20 looks promising... keeps waiting for data

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wagnerrp:

odd, its not dropping me back to the main menu

[07:14:01]

wagnerrp:

just sitting at a blank screen

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Beirdo:

oh wow

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Beirdo:

The news previews really really annoy me

[07:21:20]

Beirdo:

I wonder what my problem is

[07:22:34]

wagnerrp:

109–20 really seems to be a blank channel

[07:22:41]

wagnerrp:

player isnt complaining about lack of data

[07:22:44]

wagnerrp:

its just... blank

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Beirdo:

interesting

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wagnerrp:

funky

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Beirdo:

funky cold medina.

[07:26:41]

Beirdo:

hey, I bet I coulda bought an LP with that on it today

[07:26:42]

Beirdo:

heh

[07:26:52]

Beirdo:

I didn't look for Tone Loc

[07:31:00]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, watch that attitude

[07:31:14]

sphery:

(ref: "With that attitude, no.")

[07:31:29]

sphery:

now go out there and write a decoder to run on the PS3's SPEs

[07:31:35]

Beirdo:

right now.

[07:31:37]

Beirdo:

:P

[07:31:39]

sphery:

yeah

[07:31:44]

sphery:

otherwise, you have a bad attitude

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Beirdo:

working on a public project is just so much fun

[07:32:24]

Beirdo:

:)

[07:32:26]

sphery:

heh

[07:32:27]

sphery:

yeah

[07:32:42]

Beirdo:

we collect all sorts of... fun people

[07:33:59]

sphery:

yeah, his point was reasonable, but the way he put it, it sounded like he was telling wagnerrp to "hop to it"

[07:34:38]

sphery:

that said, I agree with wagnerrp's point that it's not going to make any difference at all

[07:35:16]

Beirdo:

maybe someone can make code that would make it useful

[07:35:37]

Beirdo:

but I doubt any of us care even half enough to bother trying

[07:36:27]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i just dont see a point in now starting to develop for a 5yr old, power hungry, limited memory console

[07:37:03]

sphery:

agreed

[07:37:03]

Beirdo:

other than dubious bragging rights ;)

[07:37:17]

wagnerrp:

heck, if youre going to do the intensive optimization needed to pull power out of the Cell, you could probably pull similar amounts of power out of a modern SSE unit

[07:37:33]

sphery:

I actually think the Atom-based ION makes a better frontend than the PS3 ever could

[07:38:11]

sphery:

since it a) can be configured with sufficient RAM and b) has VDPAU

[07:38:40]

wagnerrp:

i mean modern processors claim theoretical performance in hundreds of GFLOPS dont they?

[07:38:58]

wagnerrp:

sure, in practice youll never see anything like that

[07:39:17]

wagnerrp:

but in practice, youll never see the 200some GFLOPS youre supposed to be able to pull out of a CELL

[07:40:08]

wagnerrp:

anyway encyclospheria, #9492 dupe? ye or ne?

[07:40:50]

wagnerrp:

i know the problem has been around for a while, but to be honest i thought it had been reported through a ticket before

[07:41:01]

wagnerrp:

and i thought it was fixed prior to 0.24 anyway

[07:42:31]

kormoc:

Holy crap! "My atom-based FE, an acer aspire revo, uses about 20w at idle"

[07:42:56]

kormoc:

That's *more* then my mini's average power draw

[07:43:05]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre impressively bad

[07:43:11]

Beirdo:

hehe

[07:43:38]

Beirdo:

the TDP is fairly low, but due to crappiness, they tend to run near TDP more than the core2 would

[07:44:57]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: more like... all the speedstep and power gating has been removed in favor of reduced transistor count and cost

[07:45:15]

wagnerrp:

those things really dont have a worthwhile idle mode

[07:45:16]

sphery:

kormoc: would be a great thing to post to that "[mythtv-users] Requesting some sample kill a watt meter numbers" thread

[07:45:36]

Beirdo:

yeah

[07:45:40]

Beirdo:

due to crappiness :)

[07:45:48]

wagnerrp:

whats with all these people running old versions of trunk?

[07:45:54]

sphery:

but Intel marketing says they're low power!

[07:46:00]

Beirdo:

they are

[07:46:00]

wagnerrp:

MythTV Version : 26882

[07:46:09]

Beirdo:

compare them to 95W processors...

[07:47:17]

sphery:

that idle at 20W, too :)

[07:47:24]

Beirdo:

shh

[07:47:26]

Beirdo:

:)

[07:47:27]

sphery:

heh

[07:47:45]

wagnerrp:

come now... they idle at 25–30W

[07:47:59]

sphery:

"my be alone runs around 300W idle, 350–400 under load, 85 would be awesome."

[07:48:02]

wagnerrp:

thats a 50% improvement!

[07:48:02]

kormoc:

sphery, but then I'd have to subscribe to the list... :P

[07:48:05]

sphery:

wow, 300W?

[07:48:14]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah... hes doing something wrong there

[07:48:16]

sphery:

kormoc: heh

[07:48:17]

kormoc:

sphery, bet he's talking power supply numbers

[07:48:21]

Beirdo:

how many lousy spindles does that guy run?

[07:48:37]

kormoc:

"I own a 400 watt power supply and it's not fried yes, so I must be just under max!"

[07:48:42]

sphery:

wagnerrp: unless he's the P3 rackmount guy?

[07:48:43]

kormoc:

*yet

[07:48:50]

Beirdo:

watch it be "it's full of 6 5.25" hard drives"

[07:50:25]

wagnerrp:

ive got a dual core 939, dual core AM2, 4 sticks of memory, GF6600, 5 tuners, hardware raid card, 15 hard drives, two switches, pots ata, AMD Geode, cisco modem, wireless AP, probably some other stuff im forgetting

[07:50:34]

wagnerrp:

and my UPS registers around 300W load

[07:51:01]

sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see: Re: [mythtv-users] Exporting recordings with its cutlist to mythvideo using mythvidexport.py

[07:51:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, would someone mind punting that to me? seems it managed to get dropped by... maildrop

[07:51:35]

sphery:

forward as an attachment?

[07:51:45]

Beirdo:

so... Steve Jobs.. medical leave?

[07:51:53]

wagnerrp:

just forward the email so i have something to reply off of

[07:51:55]

Beirdo:

maybe Apple has a chance

[07:52:48]

sphery:

but then you'll be replying to my forward, not to the on-list e-mail

[07:52:59]

kormoc:

he has SDA to SDH as drives, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 1181?#451181

[07:53:00]

wagnerrp:

no way to duplicate the ID?

[07:53:26]

Beirdo:

there's 8 drives?

[07:53:31]

Beirdo:

that's a lot

[07:53:42]

wagnerrp:

it is?

[07:53:55]

** wagnerrp thought that was quite plebeian **

[07:53:57]

Beirdo:

for most people :)

[07:54:10]

sphery:

duplicate the id? You want In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim6ciDPj+r5J29f499RxrwJNbPwqxW1s1hfZAm3@mail.gmail.com >

[07:54:11]

Beirdo:

and who knows if they are "efficient" drives :)

[07:54:40]

sphery:

References: <AANLkTim6ciDPj+r5J29f499RxrwJNbPwqxW1s1hfZAm3@mail.gmail.com > <AANLkTim6ciDPj+r5J29f499RxrwJNbPwqxW1s1hfZAm3@mail.gmail.com >

[07:55:01]

sphery:

I have T-bird set up so I can add my own In-Reply-To and References headers

[07:55:15]

kormoc:

6 are WD 1.5TB greens, 2 are OCZ SSDs

[07:55:25]

sphery:

in user.js: user_pref("mail.compose.other.header", "X-Keywords,References,In-Reply-To");

[07:55:32]

wagnerrp:

ooh, fancy

[07:55:35]

sphery:

ignore X-Keywords

[07:55:45]

sphery:

that's internal keywords stuff I use

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Beirdo:

kormoc: well, that shouldn't be that bad then

[07:56:57]

wagnerrp:

where might that file be?

[07:57:05]

kormoc:

His cpus are hungry tho, Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz

[07:57:25]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: plural?

[07:57:33]

Beirdo:

aye carumba

[07:57:36]

kormoc:

seems that way...

[07:57:54]

wagnerrp:

and theyre old Core2 based ones, do FBDIMMs

[07:58:33]

wagnerrp:

low power, only 50W apice

[07:59:00]

kormoc:

it's still much less then 300W at idle

[07:59:11]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I forwarded a copy as an attachment, too... Once received, you can "Open" the attachment (and it will give you a new message window), then just Reply to that message.

[07:59:22]

Beirdo:

he probably forgot the spaceheater

[07:59:30]

Beirdo:

or the CRT monitor

[07:59:40]

Beirdo:

which is nearly the same thing

[08:00:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: user.js is in ~/.thunderbird/<profile> , but not provided by default... it's the user defaults that are read to set user preferences before the "configured in the UI" prefs.js (so just create the file and start adding your preferences there, then copy that file to all your thunderbird profiles and you don't have to remember the same configuration everywhere)

[08:00:47]

kormoc:

My mac pro idles at around 190W and maxes at 420W and I have faster cpus (moar power suckage)

[08:01:07]

Beirdo:

moar fun too

[08:01:09]

sphery:

wagnerrp: if you went to about:config, you could add the values for the key mail.compose.other.header in there

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wagnerrp:

no idea how to get to about:config in thunderbird

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's in Edit|Preferences (or, if in Windows, Tools|Options), Advanced, Config Editor...

[08:12:54]

wagnerrp:

ah, i added it through the user.js anway

[08:12:56]

wagnerrp:

thanks

[08:13:09]

sphery:

user.js is the way to go

[08:13:22]

sphery:

I have a user.js with all my config, and just put it in place whenever I create a new profile

[08:13:27]

sphery:

then I don't have to do any local config

[08:14:01]

sphery:

only thing that would be better is if I could somehow push it to my IMAP server and have t-bird load it from there :)

[08:14:21]

wagnerrp:

weave

[08:14:40]

wagnerrp:

thunderbird probably doesnt do weave does it

[08:14:49]

sphery:

yeah, there's some weave-alike for t-bird, but it's a bit of a hack

[08:16:39]

nutron:

8 Drives a lot? I have 14 in my main back-end :/

[08:16:51]

wagnerrp:

thats what i said

[08:16:51]

nutron:

idles at 130w

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.gargan.org/en/Mozilla_Extensions/SyncKolab is it

[08:17:22]

sphery:

just address book and calendar, though

[08:17:34]

nutron:

So I posted to the list. No one answered .. I must've asked the questions wrong :). I think I'll have to dissect my log and re-post.

[08:18:51]

sphery:

nutron: which post?

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wagnerrp:

maybe we blocked your email for intentionally sending spam

[08:19:32]

wagnerrp:

no wait, that was dean collins

[08:20:52]

nutron:

meh, I can't find it on gossamer..

[08:23:06]

nutron:

ahh there it is

[08:23:09]

nutron:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/468216

[08:24:43]

kormoc:

Can myth not detect what capabilities these cards have? Not easily

[08:24:53]

nutron:

Aye, I've learned that.

[08:25:17]

nutron:

Just wondering really how to get a container format that myth likes (well mythcommflag)

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kormoc:

Why does it matter?

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kormoc:

It just gives a warning but it still works, no?

[08:25:46]

nutron:

Debugging my late start recordings is painful

[08:25:50]

nutron:

Aye

[08:25:58]

nutron:

sed could be useful... just an annoyance

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kormoc:

grep -v "first frame is no keyframe" file.log | grep whatnot

[08:26:39]

nutron:

Yeh but I'm a perfectionist.. warnings irritate me :P

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sphery:

heh, it's exactly 2 mins later for the after-recordings-start reschedule

[08:28:19]

sphery:

(at least, the wait for the reschedule is requested to be exactly 2 mins)

[08:28:31]

nutron:

I forgot to mention that yes, ntp is there, and it's right.

[08:28:44]

Beirdo:

was filldb running?

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sphery:

do you have your TV Format set to ATSC? It should be NTSC

[08:29:00]

nutron:

Oh. You mean that's on purpose? Or is that just an observation?

[08:29:13]

sphery:

and you really /do/ want MPEG-PS for ivtv

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Beirdo:

sphery: it used to do TS as well

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nutron:

Beirdo: no don't think so, it happens all throughout the day anyway.

[08:29:48]

Beirdo:

K

[08:29:49]

sphery:

yeah, I think they dropped TS because it was unnecessary

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nutron:

sphery: I'll check if it's atsc it really shouldn't be ...

[08:30:06]

sphery:

but PS is the default for ivtv and it's well tested

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Beirdo:

heh. sure, whatever.

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nutron:

I poured over those settings.

[08:30:27]

sphery:

nutron: should be in mythtv-setup in General, IIRC

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Beirdo:

our PS seektables are still off, but not as badly as before :)

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sphery:

sets the default

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Beirdo:

during recording seektables

[08:30:48]

sphery:

then set each capture card to use default format

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wagnerrp:

aww... forgot to set the in-reply-to field

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nutron:

sphery: yeah, I can't check right now, but I made a note to check when I get home

[08:31:03]

sphery:

yeah--important part is to use default for all cards

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nutron:

aye, made note to check/change

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sphery:

no one should override default, unless they actually get both NTSC and PAL

[08:31:40]

nutron:

Beirdo: yeah, used to get weird seek effects when I first went to .24

[08:32:02]

nutron:

hmm, makes me believe I never changed it, I'm not _that_ idiotic :)

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sphery:

nutron: if you have net access to it, you can check with http://<backendhostname>:6544/Myth/GetSetting?Key=TVFormat (or just find that setting in MythWeb settings)

[08:37:22]

nutron:

heh, I'm a knob and don't have access... i restarted my router config, never finished it ... been focusing on making the backend myth box perfect :/

[08:37:59]

nutron:

omg.. i was wondering what was making that fizzy sound ... sounded like a fan was about to die...

[08:38:05]

sphery:

ah, yeah, I remember you mentioning that

[08:38:10]

nutron:

it was my can of coke zero :(

[08:38:15]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I heard a fan dying the other night when I went to bed. The next day, I found out that "fan" was my hard drive platters

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nutron:

:o

[08:38:47]

nutron:

no!

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nutron:

that sucks

[08:39:09]

sphery:

lost 274 recordings--but nothing important... it's just TV

[08:39:44]

nutron:

heh yeah

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nutron:

y'know I swear that my old backend (which is still running until I have this new one perfect) doesn't re-record auto expired shows

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nutron:

Yeah I don't know where that came from either :)

[08:44:06]

nutron:

oh btw... all those drives etc were being pumped off of a 375w enermax :/ heh.. on boot the system would pull 420+w for spin-up

[08:44:20]

nutron:

sphery: I was just reading your 80+ review

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Beirdo:

OK, I think it's hitg time to go to bed

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Beirdo:

high

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Beirdo:

stupid fingers

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Hoxzer:

:)

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sphery:

nutron: heh, I'm a big believer, now

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mattwj2002:

well Mythtv records using less space per hour than I expected

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

20 hours 35 minutes using 64 GB

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

that doesn't include the re-encoded stuff or live tv though

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mattwj2002:

Space Used: 169,987 MB

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mattwj2002:

stll dang impressive

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Chaorain:

hey, Is there a way to force a folder in Mythvideo to have specific art that is not attached to a movie.

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GreyFoxx:

put in an image in it and call it folder.jpg

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JEDIDIAH__:

will mythvideo actually use that without there being a row in videometadata or whatnot for it?

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Chaorain:

thats simple, thanks

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Chaorain:

GreyFoxx: will a png work?

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: yes, but it will only be the coverart, it will not do backgrounds in that manner

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: btw – the XBOX HD-DVD usb player works perfectly... I have already ripped most of my HD-DVDs to myth using DumpHD. ;-) (When I get my tax return, I'll plunk down the $ for AnyDVD...)

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wagnerrp:

wtf... someone wanting to run mythtv on a 350MHz MIPS chip

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GreyFoxx:

j-e: Nice!

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GreyFoxx:

I'll start ebaying for one of those then :)

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wagnerrp:

ARM and VIA i can understand, you can buy those off-the-sheld

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wagnerrp:

but MIPS processors only ever come on custom hardware

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JEDIDIAH__:

you can get MIPS machines off the shelf. It will just be a pretty dusty shelf...

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wagnerrp:

well sure, if you want to pick up old SGI gear or something

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wagnerrp:

where did this guy even get his hands on an unlocked MIPS system to want to install mythtv on it?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I know at least a couple guys that probably have them in their closet.

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JEDIDIAH__:

still seems odd though.

[16:04:02]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: it was a 34K, relatively modern unit

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wagnerrp:

and he didnt really seem to know anything about it, he thought it was a dual core processor

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: mips(el) powers wrt54g doesn't it?

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wagnerrp:

when it is actually single core, multi-execute, similar to hyperthreading

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AndyCap:

not that it makes any sense to run myth on that

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wagnerrp:

do they? i suppose he could be trying to run it on a high end access point

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AndyCap:

I think there's a shift towards arm there too

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wagnerrp:

seems ralink and atheros units are both MIPS based

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wagnerrp:

so is broadcom

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AndyCap:

http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start only lists make of the cpu not arch

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wagnerrp:

seeing a lot of xscale gear there too

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bradd_:

is the theme downloader broken in the current code?

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wagnerrp:

theme downloader works fine, but there may not be themes marked as authorized for your installed version

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** AndyCap goes to plug a dvb-t stick in his accesspoint and wish for ponies **

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: whatever it is, i assume it has video output

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bradd_:

how do i determine what themes are authorized?

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wagnerrp:

he mentioned it did not have opengl, so i assume he was intending it as a frontend

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wagnerrp:

bradd_: to be honest, dont know... i just know they all show up using 0.25

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bradd_:

i compiled the master source about an hour ago...and im trying to use arclight

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: ouch

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wagnerrp:

hit 'm' and tell it to refresh the list

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bradd_:

i did that

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bradd_:

the list refreshed

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J-e-f-f-A:

JEDIDIAH__: I have a MIPS machine in my basement, but it's not a PC. ;-) It's an older Tandem system... ;-) But it doesn't run anything except Guardian. ;-)

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bradd_:

then it just says something about not being able to download the these from the master backend

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bradd_:

after a few minutes of trying to download it

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J-e-f-f-A:

(aka "NonStop OS" since HP bought them...)

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bradd_:

s/these/theme/

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: lsusb shows: Bus 001 Device 014: ID 045e:029c Microsoft Corp. Xbox360 HD-DVD Drive and: Bus 001 Device 013: ID 045e:029e Microsoft Corp. Xbox360 HD-DVD Memory Unit ;-) And it is assigned a /dev/sr_ device... ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

awesome :)

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wagnerrp:

memory unit?

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen lots of CDROMs and such referred to as memory units over the years

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Chaorain:

Um, is there some documentation on how to add tv series metadata to MythVideo?

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wagnerrp:

Chaorain: hit 'w'

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Chaorain:

no matches

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wagnerrp:

then your names do not match those on thetvdb.com

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Chaorain:

and is there a way to clear metadata in a folder for every file?

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wagnerrp:

move the folder completely out of your videos folder, and rescsan

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wagnerrp:

put it back, and scan again

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Chaorain:

oh, duh

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Chaorain:

How am I supposed to format tv series so Mythvideo will grab the Meta Data

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing

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wagnerrp:

in order to pull metadata from ttvdb, the title, season, and episode must match their data

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JEDIDIAH__:

is that an exact match or is any "hashing" being done?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does a levenstein match internally

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wagnerrp:

but it can still only work with the results from thetvdb.com

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Chaorain:

ugh, How do I rebuild the coverart selection?

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wagnerrp:

[19417]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 19417: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/52259b82

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ikevin:

hi

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ikevin:

anyone know where can i find the list of watermark possible in menu? i don't find the "name" of missed watermark of my template :x

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tmkt:

Hello hello, just installed a dual tuner hdhomerun...and nothing but problems.. locks whenever i click on the watch live tv button.. recordings record for a minute or 2 then stop

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tmkt:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

did you set up that tuner using the IP address or the device ID?

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tmkt:

i used what was auto detected in the backend setup

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tmkt:

occasionally i can watch tv for 5–10 minutes before it locks up again

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tmkt:

could a slow router cause this?

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wagnerrp:

the most a single channel will pull is around 18mbps

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wagnerrp:

you arent trying to record over wireless are you?

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tmkt:

no

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tmkt:

just old netgear router from 2001

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tmkt:

everything i read makes it sound like hdhomerun is the perfect tuner for mythtv

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tmkt:

but so far..not so good..had to revert back to using my hvr-1600

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wagnerrp:

ive never experienced those sorts of problems on mine

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the_maddin:

hello everybody! I was using Terratec 1400 DVB-T for over one year with mythtv and it worked fine. I've added a TechniSat SkyStar HD2 (DVB-S) and the problems began. -T isn't working any more, -S takes from 15 seconds to infinity to tune

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the_maddin:

what can I do?

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wagnerrp:

did you recently upgrade your kernel/tuner drivers?

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the_maddin:

wagnerrp: yeah, I needed to. The SkyStar-driver wasn't in older kernels.

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the_maddin:

or is there a "better"/faster driver available?

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wagnerrp:

so its likely the kernel update came with a regression for your 1400?

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the_maddin:

I am using 2.6.36 on gentoo-x86

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tmkt:

debating reinstalling mythbuntu to clean stuff up

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the_maddin:

wagnerrp: yeah, I think so. But I'll check the antenna tomorrow after sunrise

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the_maddin:

wagnerrp: the 1400 is just for fun, I would like to see -S working fine...

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tmkt:

no one else seems to be experiencing any issues, from what I've been searching

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tmkt:

its odd

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the_maddin:

was this TechniSat SkyStar HD2 card a bad choice? or am I just using an old driver in 2.6.36?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, we dont do tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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the_maddin:

experimental support :-! so it really was a bad choice. remote control isn't working (no input device created) and so on

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the_maddin:

so I'll look there for a solution to reduce switching times. thanks!

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jcarlos:

Why my frontend can not send fanart to my backend ? Must I config anything ?

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jcarlos:

2011-01–18 20:20:55.487 Image Download: Error Writing Image to file: myth://Fanart@192.168.0.2:6543/1271_fanart.jpg

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wagnerrp:

jcarlos: is your fanart directory on your backend writable by the user running mythbackend?

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: No.

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wagnerrp:

then how would your backend store the images the frontend is sending it?

[19:38:36]

jcarlos:

But my frontend is comunicating with the backend ...

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wagnerrp:

uh huh...

[19:39:03]

jcarlos:

And the frontend has the mysql database password

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kormoc:

jcarlos, filesystem permissions...

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wagnerrp:

uh huh...

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** kormoc waits for the lightbulb to go off over jcarlos's head **

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jcarlos:

kormoc: What protocol is used to pass the data ?

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kormoc:

jcarlos, mythproto

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kormoc:

jcarlos, mythfrontend sends the data to mythbackend which writes it to the filesytem

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wagnerrp:

jcarlos: where do you think these images are going to do when you send them?

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kormoc:

and you already said that the directory you're telling mythbackend to write the data to isn't writable by the backend

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jcarlos:

kormoc: If mythbackend is the proccess writting the data and mythbackend is run by mythtv user (as is my case) I don't understand why I have to do some more permission ...

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jcarlos:

kormoc: No

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kormoc:

jcarlos, <wagnerrp> jcarlos: is your fanart directory on your backend writable by the user running mythbackend? <jcarlos> wagnerrp: No.

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wagnerrp:

jcarlos: you said the user running mythbackend (mythtv) did not have write permissions to the folder you defined for fanart

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jcarlos:

kormoc: wagnerrp: I missunderstood the questioin ... I supposed you refer to the frontend ... not the backend ...

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wagnerrp:

ok, you defined a folder in mythtv-setup to the Fanart storage group, correct?

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: kormoc: No problem, I understand now ... thanks ... :-)

[19:43:49]

wagnerrp:

check the permissions on that folder

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wagnerrp:

check the user running mythbackend with 'ps -aux | grep mythbackend'

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Yep ... that was the problem ... :-)

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** wagnerrp loves it when a plan comes together **

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sphery:

kormoc: which Mac Mini do you have? http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468

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** iamlindoro demands that you produce numbers in AMERICAN thermal units **

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sphery:

the "[mythtv-users] Requesting some sample kill a watt meter numbers" guy's saying his only hope of reducing power usage was Atom was enough to get me to reply.

[20:17:17]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Freedome Thermal Units!

[20:17:39]

iamlindoro:

Can I get it in Ions per mol?

[20:17:51]

sphery:

there's only one ION in a Mac Mini

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iamlindoro:

0 ions as I see it

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** wagnerrp was thinking slugs*furlong^2/fortnight^3 **

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sphery:

heh, I won't argue with the traditional definition of ION

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iamlindoro:

I'll never agree to the revisionist notion of what an ION is

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sphery:

it made more sense than calling Core-2-based or Celeron based systems ION

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iamlindoro:

only muddies the water

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wagnerrp:

agreed

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iamlindoro:

and makes it ok to say that an ION is okay in some cases, when in actuality, the ION they mean is never okay

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

man, IONs are expensive, those mac minis are like $700

[20:27:49]

wagnerrp:

you should just build your own mini-itx system

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staylo:

No doubt the Atom has its flaws but it's still used in some nice systems. I've been using an acer revo for a couple of months now with a single USB DVB-S tuner, frankly the lack of processing power has never been an issue.

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JEDIDIAH__:

custom built mini-itx would likely not cost any less or be any smaller and might very well have issues with heat and noise.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: well if you were custom building it that thin and with laptop parts like the mac minis, it certainly would be more expensive

[20:32:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

well mini-itx kind of fits into that general idea.

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wagnerrp:

but a mini-itx i3 in a M350, with picopsu and power brick, can be had for <$350

[20:33:03]

wagnerrp:

certainly nowhere near as clean as the mac, but if youre just going to hide it behind your tv...

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JEDIDIAH__:

if you're going to hide it then you don't have to worry about the constraints of a mini-itx build

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wagnerrp:

depends on how big your TV is

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JEDIDIAH__:

the diagonal on my largest tower is 27 inches.

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JEDIDIAH__:

probably could hide that behind my desktop monitor...

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wagnerrp:

honestly, if i planned on keeping my current entertainment center when i upgrade the tv, i would forgo the case all together, and just bolt the components onto the underside of the roof

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wagnerrp:

theres a nice lip there that would hide anything shorter than a few inches

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JEDIDIAH__:

actually, big a flat you could hide behind most decent sized TVs. mebbe even enough space for a 1U rackmount device.

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kormoc:

sphery, Mac mini (Early 2009), 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB 1066 DDR3 SDRAM (2x1GB), 320GB 5400 RPM, built in GeForce 9400M

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stanman246:

hi, i've got a .mov file from a hd camera and it plays in slow motion, without sound. how can i fix this?

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sphery:

kormoc: nice... thanks for the reply. You also said about an average of 15W for a combined frontend/backend system doing playback, recording, commflagging, mysql, etc., right?

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kormoc:

16W, aye

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sphery:

ah, cool

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kormoc:

I don't record that much, so if he's recording a lot, HMMV

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stanman246:

why is my panel showing over myth frontend?

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kormoc:

stanman246, you need to disable compiz

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JEDIDIAH__:

320G is not a lot of storage for recordings.

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, the 1TB usb drive is

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wagnerrp:

no its not

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wagnerrp:

erm... right... misread you

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, and it's easy to add more, upgrade, whatnots

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stanman246:

kormoc, only when i use mythtv?

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kormoc:

stanman246, that's up to you?

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stanman246:

if so, can i do that via the terminal and restart it after shutting down mythtv

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JEDIDIAH__:

hot swap bays achieve the same thing with a lot less clutter.

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kormoc:

and a bigger chassis to hide

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, I'm not saying it's the proper solution for everyone (as you tend to take every time it comes up) but it works for me and others just fine

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JEDIDIAH__:

depends on the number and types of bays.

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JEDIDIAH__:

external expansion pretty much destroys any aesthetic value a low profile machine has.

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kormoc:

the current mac mini is 1.5"x6.5"6.5", I don't know of any hot swap bays that would fit in a something that small with the components

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kormoc:

in your opinion

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's a pretty mundane opinion actually.

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kormoc:

Yes, I forgot that JEDIDIAH__'s opinions are the only one that counts. Not the opinions of the ones buying the hardware

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kormoc:

I'

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kormoc:

I'll be sure to throw away all my equipment to make you happy

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wagnerrp:

oh greg oliver, you have no idea what youre talking about

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stanman246:

kormoc, that messed up my system...

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wagnerrp:

disabling compiz messed up your system

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wagnerrp:

?

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stanman246:

well... x...

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wagnerrp:

you would have had to restart X to disable compiz

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stanman246:

tried it and had a freeze

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stanman246:

had to restart x yes

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stanman246:

could it be a problem with the .mov i was trying to see?

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wagnerrp:

sound problems could very easily cause slow video

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stanman246:

think there's a log that i could tail?

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JEDIDIAH__:

did you disable pulse too stan?

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aclonedsheep:

hey, does anyone know if hte intel HD 2000 in the sandy bridge cpus is enough for myth TV/1080p media? Also any idea why only the H67 chipset has HDMI out, the P67 'extreme' that comes with the better built in GPU doesnt have HDMI out on any mobo...microATX at least

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wagnerrp:

aclonedsheep: what do you think would make a GPU capable of 1080p?

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JEDIDIAH__:

vaapi support or whatnot.

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JEDIDIAH__:

is that the right acronym (alphabet soup)

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stanman246:

JEDIDIAH__, no didn't should i disable pulse audio?

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wagnerrp:

yes, that chip supports vaapi. no, mythtv does not support vaapi. yes, that chip has plenty of power that you have no need for vaapi, vdpau, or any other hardware accelerated video decoding

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JEDIDIAH__:

stan can alway try some BDs and get back to us...

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes. generally speaking you should disable pulseaudio.

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JEDIDIAH__:

best to use alsa directly if you can.

[21:20:21]

JEDIDIAH__:

although being able to run the frontend on my desktop machine without sounds going off is very handy.

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aclonedsheep:

wagnerrp, I had been planning on using my nvidia 9800GT but I realized it didnt have HDMI output and I wasn't really thinking — onboard HDMI wouldn't help much if I needed the nvidia to be doing the work

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aclonedsheep:

:b

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JEDIDIAH__:

get a cheap oem card that has an HDMI port.

[21:21:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

you may spend more on shipping. '-)

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aclonedsheep:

so the onboard one wouldnt be good? hehe I know there are some cheap ones i jsut wasn't sure

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aclonedsheep:

and I thought it was weird the nicer chipset wouldnt come with HDMI

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wagnerrp:

yes, the graphics chips on sandy bridge i5s are plenty powerful for anything mythtv needs

[21:23:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

even without playback acceleration, nvidia just makes better cards and drivers.

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aclonedsheep:

yeah...I could add a Nvidia card afterwards if it wasn't up to speed but its good to kno wthat'd be enough

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aclonedsheep:

I realized I should try to get the new architecture while getting a new comp if I could

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes. there's really no rush on the other card.

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J-e-f-f-A:

aclonedsheep: If you're not going to do audio over hdmi, you can use an DVI -> HDMI adapter.

[21:25:11]

JEDIDIAH__:

you may even find that the intel gpu gets along with your TV

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aclonedsheep:

J-e-f-f-A, thats actually exactly why I need HDMI

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JEDIDIAH__:

TVs are all over the map in terms of what they support by way of audio and video inputs.

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aclonedsheep:

currently I have a 5.1 speaker set hooked up to the TV via digital optical cable, so its easiest for my devices to just HDMI to the TV

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aclonedsheep:

oh man i lost a 10% off coupon that was working with newegg on an i5

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XLV:

aclonedsheep, well, nvidia from the gt 200 and newer all do hdmi audio internally

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XLV:

and some older gen had spdif header onboard to connect spdif out of mb audio codec to them, to pass dd 5.1 sound through hdmi

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aclonedsheep:

I know that is what Id want, but i think the onboard vid/sound should be sufficient with H67

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XLV:

which works with dvi to hdmi cable and.or adapter

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XLV:

problem with h67 is it doesnt do 23.94 fps locking

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XLV:

other than that, its perfect for htpc

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XLV:

that is, *WHEN* its fully supported

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XLV:

now its not, afaik

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aclonedsheep:

forgive my ignorance but how big of a deal is that in the interim?

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XLV:

the more easy/mundane parts are, but dts ma/truehd passthrough, gpu h264/vc1 video acceleration, quicksync support, dont know their status

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XLV:

aclonedsheep, depends if you want one of the above features

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XLV:

if you dont, ofcourse its not important to you

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XLV:

in the mean time, if you actually want something like those, you can get a low end gt 4xx nvidia card

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aclonedsheep:

ill have to look them up individually but as far as I know I don't need those..

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JEDIDIAH__:

does he really need something as beefy as that though? 4xxx. Might not a lesser card do?

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XLV:

they can do dts ma/truehd hdmi passthrough, got good h264/vc1 gpu acceleration with vdpau

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XLV:

JEDIDIAH__, well, the gt 4xx are the only nvidia ones that do dts ma/truehd

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wagnerrp:

if you want dtsma/truehd passthrough, the only option is a GT4xx card

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wagnerrp:

what is quicksync?

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aclonedsheep:

what is dts ma/truehd ? And do I need vdpau with the i5 for smooth playback or will it just be more CPU intensive without it?

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XLV:

if he doesnt want that, you can get a 9xxx for lpcm 7.1 passthrough

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XLV:

wagnerrp, the encoding engine of sandybridge

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XLV:

if you can live with dd 5.1 spdif passtrough, even a 8xxx works

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XLV:

err, the lpcm 7.1 is sone on gt 1xx and 2xx cards, sorry.

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XLV:

9xxx were the same shit as 8xxx in that aspect, aka only spdif dd 5.1 passthrough

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XLV:

s/sone/done

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wagnerrp:

XLV: watch the language

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XLV:

oops

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aclonedsheep:

so I forgot I had a geforce G210

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aclonedsheep:

with HDMI

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XLV:

poopoo, kaka ok. i'll use those from now on

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wagnerrp:

the GT1xx cards are just rebadged 9xxx cards

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aclonedsheep:

oh yeah I remember reading that

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wagnerrp:

and for that matter, a 9800 is just a rebadged 8800

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aclonedsheep:

I just got this cheap when I needed extra hardware to troubleshoot a couple of computers

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aclonedsheep:

i have a 9800GT too but it doesnt have a HDMI port

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XLV:

aclonedsheep, doesnt matter.. if it has a spdif header, a dvi to hdmi cable or adapter should work for dd5.1 hdmi passthrough

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aclonedsheep:

hmm, like spdif+dvi -> HDMI ?

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XLV:

yes.. the spdif header must be on the gpu card

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XLV:

some even have an external spdif connector, like some gainward

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XLV:

so you connect the spdif out either the header internally if you use the mb's audio codec or externally if you use a sound card, to the spdif in of gpu card

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XLV:

the gpu card then feeds the dd5.1 signal with video though hdmi

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aclonedsheep:

ah yeah ive seen that before i think, ill have to look

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aclonedsheep:

what is dts-MA trueHD passthrough ? Just wondering if its something ill obviously miss until the sandy bridge stuff is fully supported

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wagnerrp:

dts-ma, and truehd are two high bitrate audio formats

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wagnerrp:

they exist on bluray disks

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aclonedsheep:

ah thanks

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wagnerrp:

if you wish to do bluray at some point, and have a high end amp, its something you might want

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noisymouse:

my frontend is not connecting to my backend and I'm unsure why (combined backend/frontend)

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noisymouse:

where should I start?

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wagnerrp:

pastebin your frontend logs

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noisymouse:

where are those?

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noisymouse:

should be in /var/log/mythtv?

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noisymouse:

I only have a backend log there

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wagnerrp:

how did you run the frontend?

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noisymouse:

by running mythfrontend in a console

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wagnerrp:

then your logs will be in the console

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noisymouse:

ok, I think somethings wrong with the backend config

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noisymouse:

probably a bug in gentoo's package

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noisymouse:

let me see if I can fix this, one sec

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wagnerrp:

what packages did you use?

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noisymouse:

well the thing is, it looks like the backend is using the config in /etc/

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noisymouse:

which is not being affected by changes I make when I run mythtv-setup as a non-root user

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noisymouse:

it says "2011-01–18 14:13:07.780 Using configuration directory = /etc/mythtv/.mythtv"

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wagnerrp:

the only thing stored on the filesystem is where to access the database

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wagnerrp:

the init scripts set $HOME to /etc/mythtv before running mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

so the database credential files are found in /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml

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wagnerrp:

you can simply link that file to your own home directory if you wish

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noisymouse:

ok I had to manually change stuff in /etc/ but I think it's working now

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dewman:

is there anyway to adjust the timeout on the hdhomerun so it will probe all the channels rather then show timed-out,10 possible channels during a scan? Or is that a limitation on what the cable company is sending so the scanner cant identify what is being sent down the wire?

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kormoc:

dewman, under the mythtv-setup -> capture cards -> card -> Advanced -> Scan Timeout/Timeout settings

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dewman:

kormoc, thanks was having an old man moment...

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