Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, January 17th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

mmmm, mythbeer?

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[R]:

so all you need to do, is make --status return an extra value for "script said not to shutdown" or something

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[R]:

and make mythshutdown --status run that script (configurable from the db)

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Crys:

mythshutdown doesn't have a hook to customize the status check.

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[R]:

Crys: so you make oen

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Beirdo:

anyone here have a G4 Mac running Linux

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[R]:

Crys: i'd do it myself... but wrapping mythsutdown --check works for me cuz i dont use mythwecleom nor if i did would it matter what it said

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Crys:

[R]: right, that's probably a better place than mythwelcome.

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[R]:

if you maek an option for --status to run a script, that takes care of --check also, than you dont need a specail script for that (which is what you said you were doing)

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sid3windr:

boo iamlindoro. posting responses to help people. boo. :P

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Crys:

[R]: that sounds like a plan. I'm gonna add an option to the backend for an user script that gets called by mythshutdown --check and --status. Does it sound like a good idea?

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[R]:

Crys: but you also need to add a new exit code for --status, and change mythwelcoem to look for that one also

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[R]:

Crys: although... it looks like there might not be anymore room in the current list

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Crys:

[R]: That's trivial.

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Crys:

[R]: oh, why?

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[R]:

can exit codes be bigger than 255?

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[R]:

i seem to think maybe 255 is the max

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Crys:

me, too

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wagnerrp:

are 255 different codes not enough?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it does a bitwise check

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Crys:

[R]: although, main() returns an int, not a short.

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[R]:

Crys: i just tried returning 1024 in a bash script and the status was 0

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[R]:

255 works, 256 doesn't

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Crys:

I've tried that with a Python script. Same result.

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Beirdo:

return codes are 8-bit

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Beirdo:

oh cool

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Beirdo:

my 750G external drive... is empty

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Beirdo:

yay!

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[R]:

Beirdo: why is that good?

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Beirdo:

because it's tons of space to rip CDs to :)

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Crys:

I wonder why the signature of main is "int main(int argc, char **argv)" when it can return just a signed short.

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[R]:

Crys: i dunno if people would complain... but you could scratch the "transcoding" and "commercial detection" codes and just use the "jobs running" code for them

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wagnerrp:

no kidding... only a couple thousand of them

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[R]:

Crys: you'd have to ask K&R about that

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Beirdo:

and, it's portable, so easy to transfer after

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Beirdo:

and it's the drive that I can connect via Firewire, which is good as so is the DVD changer that should show up tomorrow

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Crys:

It might be a Unix thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_status#Unix

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Beirdo:

it can return unsigned char via UNIX exit codes

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Beirdo:

anyways, that's life, enjoy :)

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Crys:

and 64kB are enough for every program ... ;)

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Beirdo:

there's no real need for more than 255 different error return codes for a progran

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wagnerrp:

640kB, and its apocrypha, no evidence he ever said anything like that

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Beirdo:

program...

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wagnerrp:

woo! PVR-150 drivers built on freebsd

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wagnerrp:

4 years of trying, and thats the first time ive been successful

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stuartm:

sphery: some time back I asked if it was possible to restore just one table using the restore script, I don't remember the answer and there isn't nothing in the help output to suggest this would be possible?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said

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sphery:

stuartm: No, it's not currently possible, but I have the patch to make it do it, kind of... To do it right, I need to be able to parse the lines that do the drop/create table portion. The patch I have just puts the data into an empty/truncated table.

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sphery:

part of me also didn't want to put it in and encourage people to do "selective" restores

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sphery:

the drop/create table parsing functionality for it is necessary for another "fix channels" thing I was considering doing, but I haven't gotten around to finishing that. Chances are, if I do the channels stuff, the selective restore will go in but without any help output about it

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sphery:

I can give you the patch I have if you want it, but it's really no smarter than zcat mythconverg-1254-<date>.sql.gz | grep "INSERT INTO `tablename"

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sphery:

(other than handling compressed/not compressed and with/without quotes around the table name)

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stuartm:

no that's ok, I'll do this restore manually and/or just bite the bullet and reset my music metadata entirely

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stuartm:

my backup is 2 weeks old, which means it's a little too old to be of much use

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stuartm:

agh, no, if I reset my music metadata I'll lose the 'imported' date and that will screw up some of my playlists

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sphery:

stuartm: fwiw, drop music schema info: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407454#407454

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stuartm:

ok, new idea, hack the scanner code to rebuild the table without destroying the other metadata

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sphery:

then you can just import those tables from a backup

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sphery:

or that :)

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sphery:

I seriously under-estimated the cooking time for my rice cooker. Everything else is done, and I have to wait on the rice to finish (since the rice goes in the burritos).

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Beirdo:

oops

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sphery:

the worst part is that I'm very hungry and it all smells so good

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** stuartm had fajitas **

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sphery:

that sounds good, too

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wagnerrp:

is there any way to run mythavtest database-less?

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sphery:

steak fajitas?

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stuartm:

nothing special though, commercial spice mix

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sphery:

if so, it will beat the ground beef I'm having

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stuartm:

sphery: chicken

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sphery:

ah, those are tasty, too

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sphery:

mine has home-mixed spice and homemade refried beans

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sphery:

(which actually taste like beans--not mush)

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stuartm:

heh, fixed it and without restoring the database or hacking the scanner

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sphery:

cool

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stuartm:

I just reset all the 'last modified' timestamps in the database thereby forcing the scanner to re-inspect all the files, since they already existed no metadata was changed but it found all the embedded album art

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Beirdo:

nice

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stuartm:

i.e. really pretty simple, should have thought of it earlier type solution

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stuartm:

daily backup cron job setup, I don't have to bitten twice

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mattwj2002:

hi mythtv geniuses

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

why does my mythtv box remote stop working after awhile?

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sphery:

OK, someone at ABC needs to be slapped around abit

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sphery:

what's up with abc.com popping up a full screen browser window with garbage ads when you click on Shows

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sphery:

I seriously thought their site had been hacked

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john___:

hi I just installeed mythfrontend on on Ubuntu and whenever I go to the watch TV it crashes very hard – I think it may actually be crashing X as I have to re login. Any hints on how to solve this?

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wagnerrp:

john___: sounds like bad nvidia drivers

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john___:

so how do i fix that?

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wagnerrp:

install good nvidia drivers

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wagnerrp:

basically, it sounds like you have an early version of the 260 series of nvidia drivers

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wagnerrp:

which are known to be buggy

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john___:

I don't think this laptop has any nvidia hardware in it, but do you know which package has the buggy drivers

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wagnerrp:

ATI graphics?

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john___:

intel 945

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john___:

lshw | grep -i nv returns nothing

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

I found the firewire cabling I need. both of em

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Beirdo:

too bad the firewire card is fried

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Beirdo:

which gives me the choice of my old mythbox or the PowerBook G4 :)

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** Beirdo slaps himself **

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Beirdo:

trying to test a transcode I did... so I tried mplayer... on the backend box

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Beirdo:

which has no video card.

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Beirdo:

eeediot.

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Beirdo:

/win 15

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Beirdo:

grrrr

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wagnerrp:

/lose 27

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wagnerrp:

/blue 32

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wagnerrp:

hut hut HIKE!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

oooh, thanks for reminding me

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wagnerrp:

something about football?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I'm such a non-fan

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Beirdo:

not too surprising... Seattle lost to Chicago

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Beirdo:

ummm, this H.264 recording says it's 14min long

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Beirdo:

it's an hour.

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Beirdo:

who re-borked that?

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Beirdo:

I swear.. this code has a life of its own

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Beirdo:

I'll keep it around for testing, I guess

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john___:

hm, still haven't been able to fix my mythfrontend crashing X problem

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john___:

mvn, changing playback to use the setting for cpu++ seems to have stopped the crashing, except mythtv is now treating the ouput as if it was to non-widescreen instead of the widescreen that it shold be using

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wagnerrp:

try using Slim instead

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john___:

how

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john___:

switched to vdpau-slim, appears to have crashed X even worse than before

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wagnerrp:

but you dont have a VDPAU capable card

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wagnerrp:

of course its not going to work

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you want Slim, not VDPAU Slim

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john___:

excellent, that appears to be working perfectly

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john___:

thanks for the help

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linuxtech:

I have a new 2TB disk and I was wondering if it might be a good idea to use multiple subdirectories. On a 1.5TB I have now it has 4144 files in one of the StorageGroup directories. However I am using XFS and I don't see any slowness when I ls the directory. What do you all think?

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wagnerrp:

no real reason to split it up into multiple subdirectories

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linuxtech:

Thanks!

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wagnerrp:

now sure why you need to 'ls' it either

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wagnerrp:

s/now/not/

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

how can you get mythtv to record multisubchannels on a single channel

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mattwj2002:

?

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wagnerrp:

setting multiple virtual tuners in card setup in mythtv-setupo

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

hmm, seems to be just that one file

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mattwj2002:

how do you go about doing that

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mattwj2002:

:"?

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Beirdo:

I'll give it the hairy eyeball and move on, I guess

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Beirdo:

and this one sounds like the audio's clipping

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Beirdo:

odd

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mattwj2002:

Beirdo: you have an experience with this?

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Beirdo:

yes/

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Beirdo:

you go into mythv-setup and tell it how many virtual tuners to use for the tuner

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mattwj2002:

oh crap that simple

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mattwj2002:

:)

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Beirdo:

pretty much

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mattwj2002:

dang

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

you guys make it too easy

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mattwj2002:

and those will only record on the same physical channel?

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Beirdo:

same multiplex, yes

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Beirdo:

hahah, what a wuss

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Beirdo:

watching the "moonshine" episode of US Top Gear

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Beirdo:

the one guy couldn't handle the stuff

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Beirdo:

and it was the guy from the south.

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Beirdo:

they gave him crap for it, of course

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wagnerrp:

whos the guy from the south?

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Beirdo:

the big guy with a beard

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wagnerrp:

any reason to not lock outdated wiki pages for historical archive?

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Beirdo:

sounds like a plan to me

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Beirdo:

how's this for lame? I bought the BluRay player... and it's still not hooked up

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wagnerrp:

ever used maildrop?

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Beirdo:

trying to place the name

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Beirdo:

I don't think so.

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wagnerrp:

mail delivery agent, with filtering rules

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, its not delivering email

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Beirdo:

nah, I've always used procmail for that

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wagnerrp:

about one in fifteen gets dropped

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wagnerrp:

and i cant figure out a way to get information on it to find out why

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wagnerrp:

like this latest one from douglas peale, dropped

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wagnerrp:

it should have been picked up for the mailing list rules, but it wasnt

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wagnerrp:

fell through all the rest of the rules

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wagnerrp:

and even managed to fall past the catch-all that dumps to the main folder

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wagnerrp:

that shouldnt even be possible

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Beirdo:

wouldn't think it would be

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wagnerrp:

well ive turned on even more logging

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wagnerrp:

of course ive been doing that all day

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wagnerrp:

increase the logging, wait for some email to fail, increase the logging...

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highzeth:

I can highly recommend dovecot with sieve as an alternative.

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wagnerrp:

dovecot seems to just be an imap server

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highzeth:

I use postfix for smtp duties & dovecot-lda with sieve (and imaps / imaps-auth for smtp)

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wagnerrp:

looking at the filter logs, it seems like postfix isnt sending the full email to maildrop

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wagnerrp:

since even shortcutting the ruleset straight to deliver, it is still dropping emails

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highzeth:

ugh

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highzeth:

dovecot-lda+sieve came at a perfect time for us, we had ran exim for many years before that, tho it was fully on par mta wise, the LDA & filtering implementations at the time was far from perfect

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highzeth:

http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix fairly straightforward to test on your current postfix setup

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Stevezau:

anyone know of a decent upnp server? I dont want to use myth as it wont always be open.. for linux

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kormoc:

Stevezau, mediatomb

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wagnerrp:

why would mythbackend not always be running?

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highzeth:

I was about to ask the same question, not gonna share it's recordings/archive?

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Stevezau:

wagnerrp i swtich between xbmc and mythtv

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kormoc:

Stevezau, so why would you stop the backend?

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wagnerrp:

yes, and why would mythbackend not always be running?

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wagnerrp:

the backend must remain online at all times if you wish to schedule shows to be recorded

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Stevezau:

oh yeah.. of course the backend will be running still..

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highzeth:

xbmc svn works for playback atleast, never used it for livetv

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Stevezau:

i was thinking from the xbmc side of things

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wagnerrp:

the backend runs the upnp server

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highzeth:

*playback of recordings

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Stevezau:

i perfer mythtv frontend for livetv.. not xbmc myth

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wagnerrp:

so if the backend is always running, mythtv's upnp server is also always running

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Stevezau:

it supports music?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Stevezau:

appears it does

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Stevezau:

hmm

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Stevezau:

thanks :)

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Beirdo:

oh this is wonderful

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Beirdo:

my ethernet switch is full.

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[R]:

Beirdo: so get a second one

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Beirdo:

hehe. I have teh BluRay all hooked up but the ethernet

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Beirdo:

well duh, but it won't be here instantly, now, will it?

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highzeth:

got a extra NIC in one of your pc/servers? bridge it =)

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Beirdo:

not going to happen

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wagnerrp:

get a bigger ethernet switch?

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** wagnerrp almost said 'git' **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

git clone old-switch

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Beirdo:

I'll just get another.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: git er done

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wagnerrp:

i will stab you

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Beirdo:

who woulda thought that 8 ports by the TV wouldn't be enough

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[R]:

wagnerrp: not a fan of larry the cable guy?

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wagnerrp:

ive got nothing against larry the cable guy

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kormoc:

Beirdo, Wireless?

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wagnerrp:

im not a fan of every redneck and retard repeating the same line over and over again until it has completely lost any inkling of humor

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Beirdo:

nah, I use wireless for network -> internet hough

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[R]:

wagnerrp: haha

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[R]:

wagnerrp: are you originally from the south, or did you move there?

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Beirdo:

oh, like "that's what she said"

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highzeth:

you might be a redneck if..

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wagnerrp:

that depends on what you consider 'the south'

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[R]:

Beirdo: no, nothing like that...

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[R]:

wagnerrp: the demarcation line from back in the day

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wagnerrp:

people from the south would consider me a northerner, people from the north would consider me a southerner

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wagnerrp:

i have no home

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kormoc:

It's true

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Beirdo:

should dig through my crap pile to see if there's another switch in it...

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highzeth:

out of curiosity, why is a br0 out of the question?

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wagnerrp:

most would consider it a 'dirty' solution

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Beirdo:

a) don't have dual ethernet, b) I don't need the complexity

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highzeth:

sure, but if he don't have ports/another switch to spare, it sure makes for a working solution till new switch arrives

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Beirdo:

short term, I'll probably just yank the cable from the DirecTV receiver

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Beirdo:

it doesn't really need it

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Beirdo:

it's not a solution as I don't have a machine I could do it on anyways

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highzeth:

fair enough

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kormoc:

Ugh... I need to hire someone to write up my multimedia stuff all neat

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wagnerrp:

multimedia stuff?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, mythbox, wii, ps2, etc

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kormoc:

it's a rat's nest

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wagnerrp:

wire

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kormoc:

ahh, yes, wire, not write

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highzeth:

I went for the easy out, moved all the dust collectors to my rat nest aka office, and left a PC, x360 & a AP. My tv corner has never looked this spacious.

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kormoc:

A large bit of it is I really need to get cables at specific lengths rather then all these way too long ones everywhere

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wagnerrp:

nah, just coil it up and tie it off

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wagnerrp:

just get a good length of cord, and start cable lacing

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wagnerrp:

these people talking about running mythtv on the PS3 are just completely clueless...

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Shadow__X:

how bad is it?

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Beirdo:

The Cure... still looks like a bunch of freaks

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp, the burster of bubbles :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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hashbang:

morning all

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kwtm:

Hi. My /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log says: "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ..." Is this a known bug? I can't imagine there's an error in SQL syntax with MythTV...

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hashbang:

kwtm: depends on the rest of the statement. It's conceivable something hasn't been escaped properly and it breaks the query.

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kwtm:

I seem to have solved the problem but don't know why this works. I had the error when I ran the MythBackend Setup GUI, which ran MythFillDatabase as the user "mythtv"; but when I tried running it as myself (not root) just to see take a closer look, everything worked. (!?) Anyway, seems like problem now gone...

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johnnyj:

the plugin mythweather has failed to run for some reason

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johnnyj:

logs are showing : Error: container 'mythweather' is missing child 'update_text'

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johnnyj:

Window weatherbase is missing required elements.

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johnnyj:

which appears to be a theme issue...

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JEDIDIAH__:

turn on sql logging for the backend and you should see the offending query.

[16:22:25]

JEDIDIAH__:

-v database

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Methuselah:

did an update and, both my computers that have multiple concurrent mythtv frontends, only let the first instance run. It has been working great for a couple years, so long that I forgot how to troubleshoot mysetup.

[16:29:47]

wagnerrp:

you have computers running multiple frontends?

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Methuselah:

y es

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Methuselah:

because its cheaper to have 2 computers run 8 frontends, then 8 computers

[16:30:53]

wagnerrp:

depends on how much your time and frustration is worth

[16:31:51]

wagnerrp:

anyway, if you dont remember... mythtv stores settings based off the system hostname

[16:32:09]

wagnerrp:

so to have different settings on the same host, you need to set the LocalHostName value in the config.xml

[16:32:35]

wagnerrp:

beyond that, you need to have X set up, with four different cards

[16:32:43]

wagnerrp:

and they need their own X server

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wagnerrp:

then theres the lirc issues

[16:33:02]

wagnerrp:

there is nothing specifically in mythtv preventing multiple frontends on the same host

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wagnerrp:

im guessing its own of these external things that it is blocking on

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Methuselah:

I have had it working for two years, just got messed up on the update

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wagnerrp:

or maybe you are running mythbuntu and the wrapper scripts are preventing multiple instances

[16:33:42]

wagnerrp:

in that case you would need to run mythfrontend.real instead of mythfrontend

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Methuselah:

i thought localhostname was on mysql.txt

[16:34:12]

Methuselah:

in i should of said

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wagnerrp:

its on both

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wagnerrp:

we 'switched' to config.xml like three years ago, but still the old file persists

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** wagnerrp heads to lunch **

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Methuselah:

Ok i will check that out, i just have been setting it in the one.

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Methuselah:

Thanks, I will check out this stuff now!

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sphery:

Trying to decide whether to put a "I'm replying to this post, as originally planned, because I now have time to do so. This reply was in no way influenced by the 'bump' posted to the -dev list." notice in an e-mail I'm about to send...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so how in the world is it possible that Adobe killed 64-bit Flash 10.2 for GNU/Linux and we didn't see tons of threads about it on -users list?

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sphery:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html + http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

[16:57:04]

sphery:

Oh, and you'll love this--Hulu is now no longer allowing Flash 10.0.x...

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sphery:

so there is no Hulu on 64-bit Linux (unless, maybe, it still works with some of the preview/alpha/beta versions that some people may have)

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hashbang:

sphery: I think I got it working with an nspluginwrapped 32 bit flash. No Hulu content for me in the UK, though, so hard to tell if it works /properly/

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hashbang:

sphery: the 64 bit version keeps getting killed after they release a new 'stable' version

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sphery:

hashbang: yeah... I don't have 32-bit libs at all, so I can't run 32-bit code. :( I just don't get why they keep killing it...

[17:03:36]

sphery:

if nothing else, keep the labs site open and let people download and "test" it

[17:03:49]

sphery:

this is why I hate all things closed-source/proprietary

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JEDIDIAH__:

is Hulu going to at least bother supporting the bleeding edge features of Flash? (name GPU acceleration)

[17:10:08]

JEDIDIAH__:

seems like a pointless thing for Hulu to restrict otherwise.

[17:10:20]

sphery:

good question... the fact that they now require new may indicate they're planning it

[17:10:35]

sphery:

or maybe they just want the "bleeding edge" DRM capabilities (assuming there are some changes)?

[17:11:09]

sphery:

TTBOMK, previously they restricted because of the severe security holes in old Flash

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Methuselah:

wagner, I am getting an error message "MediaRender::HttpServer Create error". Note, I can go to any indivdual seat on my multiseat setup and get it to run as long as all the other seats aren't running.

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sphery:

Methuselah: you'll have to change all the ports in use by mythtv's various network processes to be able to run multiple instances on the same host

[17:40:52]

sphery:

thus why running multiple instances on a single host is not recommended

[17:41:12]

sphery:

note, also, that virtually no one ever tests whether things run properly when you change port numbers

[17:41:20]

sphery:

and all the port number settings warn you not to change them

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Methuselah:

I haven't changed anything, did an update and now its not working

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sphery:

Methuselah: well, you're running multiple instances of the backend, it seems

[17:43:21]

sphery:

so just shut down the first and start it up

[17:44:17]

Methuselah:

how did you come to that conclusion of multiple backends? Just wondering

[17:44:24]

sphery:

heh, OK, it seems there /is/ value in MS Comic Sans... Comic Sans makes you smarter! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/14/reading_fonts/

[17:44:56]

sphery:

Methuselah: the fact that it's trying to start up the MythTV HTTP server when that port is in use

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sphery:

Methuselah: if you don't see any other instance running, please provide the full logs and I'll see if I can make more sense of what's happening

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Methuselah:

sphery: thanks I will investigate the backend.

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sphery:

I have a feeling "[mythtv-users] Requesting some sample kill a watt meter numbers" will users suggesting an atom-based backend for the user

[17:57:32]

sphery:

I hope kormoc sends his mac mini kill-a-watt number

[18:02:00]

sphery:

Methuselah: turns out that error is from mythfrontend, not mythbackend

[18:02:11]

sphery:

same cause, but different program

[18:02:18]

Shadow__X:

i have always been dissappointed that people just so "I noticed a difference on my electric bill" thats very subjective. They did not do controlled test and provide history or any type of comparitive analysis

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sphery:

yeah, the 85W idle, though, is definitely noticeable--$7.34/mo at $0.12/kWh

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jcarlos:

Is it ok that mythtv-backend "takes" my dvb-t card and doesn't free it never ? I say this because my dvb-t card (AVerTV Volar Black HD) ligths on a blue led when a channel has been tuned, and never power off that led until mythtv-backend is stopped ...

[18:15:01]

jcarlos:

Is that OK ?

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sphery:

jcarlos: you likely have it set to use EIT (on-air guide) and have it set for active scanning (= scan for EIT when the capture card is not in use, vs passive scanning = scan for EIT only while recording)

[18:15:18]

sphery:

if you want the card to not be in use, you'll need to use something other than EIT

[18:15:33]

iamlindoro:

But yes, MythTV expects to have exclusive access to your capture devices too

[18:15:36]

sphery:

in the future, the EIT collection algorithm will likely be more efficient and just "do the right thing"

[18:15:44]

sphery:

and, yeah, we need exclusive access :)

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jcarlos:

sphery: So the device is being used all the time ?

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sphery:

jcarlos: there's also a "open dvb card on demand" setting, which you can enable, but if anything else uses your dvb card, it will likely mean missed recordings, etc.

[18:18:04]

kormoc:

jcarlos, His answer boils down to, It depends on your settings but likely yes.

[18:18:27]

jcarlos:

sphery: No, in my case there is no other dvb-t use ... I only wanted the card not to waste power while not used ...

[18:18:35]

sphery:

kormoc: heh, thanks for the translation :)

[18:18:50]

sphery:

jcarlos: if it's doing EIT scanning, it's tuning channels

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sphery:

if it's just the open dvb on demand setting is not enabled and it's not doing anything, then it's likely just opened, but not actively doing stuff

[18:19:52]

sphery:

you could try disabling that setting and see if there's a measurable power usage difference

[18:19:56]

sphery:

I'd guess there won't be

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jcarlos:

sphery: The thing is that eventually the light powers off and mythtv can not access the dvb-t card anymore ...

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jcarlos:

sphery: I must then stop mythv-backend, run tzap command and start mythtv-backend again ...

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jcarlos:

sphery: After doing this mythtv-backend can access the card again ...

[18:24:00]

sphery:

try the open-on-demand setting

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sphery:

in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

it may be that the drivers or hardware "time out" your device after a while

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jcarlos:

sphery: Do you mean to uncheck "Use DVB card for active EIT scan" ?

[18:25:27]

sphery:

no, make sure "Open DVB card on demand" is checked

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sphery:

(it is by default, but just in case you've disabled it)

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jcarlos:

sphery: Yes ... I have it unchecked ...

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sphery:

so re-check it

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jcarlos:

sphery: But the question is "must I also uncheck the "Use DVB card for active EIT scan" ?

[18:27:19]

sphery:

active EIT is normally important if you're using EIT

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sphery:

it doesn't run 100% of the time, but runs very often

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sphery:

you probably only need it checked on a single card per video source

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jcarlos:

sphery: I understand ...

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sphery:

if you have an xmltv-based option instead of EIT, it will allow you to disable EIT collection completely

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jcarlos:

sphery: No. I have no xmltv-based option ... I'm getting the "tv guide" from EIT ...

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sphery:

then in that case, you'll need to use it on at least one capture card

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jcarlos:

sphery: And how frequently is the "tv guide" updated ?

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skd5aner:

what is the latest 0.24-fixes branch "version"?

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skd5aner:

(none of my mythboxes are running right now)

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sphery:

closest I could get for you is: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/fixes/0.24

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skd5aner:

sphery – what happens on a mythfrontend --version on latest fixes?

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sphery:

but I dont see how those hashes map to git describe --dirty

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sphery:

since neither commit nor tree hashes seem right

[18:34:44]

sphery:

git describe --dirty gives the value

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skd5aner:

I ask, because I'm considering creating a template in the wiki that can be used to display latest fixes "version" – but it might not be worth it because I wouldn't know how to automatically update that

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sphery:

ah, maybe it's the merge commit in trunk that's throwing that off

[18:36:47]

sphery:

no, even there, I don't see ga24cd27 for master...

[18:37:04]

skd5aner:

sphery: no idea...

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jcarlos:

sphery: One more question, please: Is it supposed mythfilldatabase to feed mysql database when EIT is in use ?

[18:37:35]

skd5aner:

It's a little weird, to me, that there's not a simple answer to "what's the latest version of 0.24-fixes"?

[18:37:44]

sphery:

jcarlos: no, there's no need to run mythfilldatabase when you're using EIT

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jcarlos:

sphery: OK

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** sphery just realized it's very dark in the house **

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sphery:

must be storming

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I've updated the 0.24-releast notes – added a tip box linking to the 0.24-fixes stuff... please lock again if you'd like

[18:39:03]

sphery:

skd5aner: sorry... I thought I might be able to figure out where the hash in describe comes from and map that to stuff on github, but I'm not smart enough, it seems

[18:39:27]

skd5aner:

sphery: np... what is the version string output supposed to say?

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skd5aner:

anything useful?

[18:42:50]

sphery:

for master, current is: v0.25pre-875-ga24cd27

[18:43:01]

sphery:

which means 875 commits past the v0.25pre tag

[18:43:16]

sphery:

and I have no idea what the has means

[18:43:20]

sphery:

hash

[18:43:32]

sphery:

there's the storm!

[18:46:52]

skd5aner:

sphery: fixes?

[18:47:15]

skd5aner:

yay... my blu-ray drive is here :)

[18:51:16]

sphery:

skd5aner: not sure... don't have current -fixes around

[18:55:15]

sphery:

skd5aner: I /think/ it should be v0.24-109-g945c673

[18:56:46]

sphery:

(I checked out -fixes and ran a git describe --dirty on it

[18:58:39]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the frontend runs an HTTP server as well

[18:59:01]

wagnerrp:

in fact, the MediaRenderer stuff is specifically for the frontend

[18:59:04]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it was his frontend stuff

[18:59:07]

sphery:

I mentioned that later

[19:00:47]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: ill just leave it unlocked for now, i was just in a mood to lock old pages last night

[19:01:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery: its the port 6547 stuff

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize the frontend would refuse to run, i thought it would just not enable that bit

[19:02:58]

wagnerrp:

ive run two frontends on the same host without problems before

[19:03:19]

wagnerrp:

pretty certain ive done so within the last few months

[19:03:42]

wagnerrp:

you just lose access to things like the network control and screenshot grabber

[19:04:30]

sphery:

"You know whats funny, this conversation got fleshed out into more than 1 reply.....yet my primary email to this list is still blocked."

[19:04:58]

sphery:

Moral of the story: Write intelligible posts to the mailing list--and don't make them look like spam.

[19:05:06]

wagnerrp:

"you know whats funny, several of us agreed that your email was almost certainly spam and worth blocking until you got it resolved"

[19:05:18]

sphery:

I wish I hadn't compacted the folder so I could respond to that

[19:05:38]

** wagnerrp will do so now **

[19:05:49]

sphery:

I just noticed that the PS3 Keys thread had nothing to do with keyboard usage on a PS3 for a UPnP player, so I read it on the list

[19:06:00]

sphery:

thanks

[19:06:23]

sphery:

if you want me to do it since you were the one to explain the why the first time, I can manually add in the Reply-To/References

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wagnerrp:

done

[19:13:53]

sphery:

why is it that whenever it rains, the recycling guys fail to pick up my recycling--meaning I have to drag the full, waterlogged container back into my garage

[19:14:09]

sphery:

they get every other neighbor's recycling, just skip mine

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sphery:

Yay, Readability was updated so that it shows the ad-based hyperlinks differenty. Only downside is those links now actually work (and pop up the stupid ad).

[19:16:27]

Methuselah:

hey,sphery and wagner, just read what you guys were talking about(assumuing you are talking about my situation "MediaRender::HttpServer Create error". ) So you think its a problem on my frontend now?

[19:17:06]

wagnerrp:

Methuselah: you are getting that error because you already have one frontend using port 6547, and the second frontend starting up cannot use it

[19:17:28]

wagnerrp:

but the frontend should ignore that error, and proceed on without the capability provided by that web interface

[19:17:55]

Methuselah:

Any reason you can think of why this just started to happen?

[19:18:36]

sphery:

becaues you just started running 2 copies of mythfrontend

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Methuselah:

So Can I assign different ports in setup to resolve?

[19:18:49]

sphery:

or because your update didn't properly shut things down?

[19:18:50]

wagnerrp:

no, hes had this set up for several years

[19:19:13]

sphery:

oh, then likely his settings were reset because of hostname changes or broken/missing config.xml/mysql.txt?

[19:19:28]

wagnerrp:

i dont know of anything internal to mythfrontend that would prevent you from running multiple instances of the frontend

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wagnerrp:

ill try it right now

[19:20:05]

sphery:

I don't understand why you'd want to

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Methuselah:

alright, it makes more sense it being something with the frontend, you think if i change ports in setup that will help?

[19:20:36]

sphery:

nothing like resource contention and frontends fighting to make it so none of them work great

[19:20:45]

wagnerrp:

because hes got 8 displays, and doesnt want a dedicated frontend for each one

[19:22:00]

wagnerrp:

hey, check that out...

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wagnerrp:

... wonder when that started happening

[19:22:29]

Methuselah:

yesterday, it started not working on my myhtbuntu update

[19:22:48]

wagnerrp:

i know i ran several instances of mythfrontend a couple months ago when fiddling with the HDHR issues

[19:22:55]

wagnerrp:

that would have been... early november?

[19:23:19]

Methuselah:

i do the daily update, so if its a problem it would of been recent. Wouldn't it.

[19:24:26]

Methuselah:

and i use all the displays daily so I would notice if things weren't working

[19:24:44]

wagnerrp:

0.24 or 0.25?

[19:24:51]

Methuselah:

.24

[19:25:18]

Methuselah:

.24 + fixes

[19:26:03]

Methuselah:

is it not working for you .25?

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jcarlos:

Can someone know if the debian package for mythweb is running ok (debian-multimedia sources) ?

[19:28:39]

wagnerrp:

sphery: any idea why GetValue would not be taking a setting with forward slashes in it?

[19:28:47]

jcarlos:

s/Can/Does/

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sphery:

through MythXML?

[19:29:46]

sphery:

they'd need to be URL-encoded

[19:30:27]

wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . erer.cpp#L41

[19:30:38]

wagnerrp:

its not picking up the value out of the database properly

[19:31:43]

wagnerrp:

i forced it to 6548, but its not taking the value

[19:32:28]

wagnerrp:

its still listening on 6547

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aclonedsheep:

hey guys, would myth backend/frontend combo run on this thing w/ enough RAM (4gb?) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107072

[19:33:00]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: GetNumValue

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, i thought it returning a string instead of a number might be an issue

[19:33:33]

sphery:

don't know why it wouldn't get it

[19:33:37]

wagnerrp:

but were that the case, it would fail outright if i had provided a value through the database

[19:33:49]

sphery:

that's a different GetValue() from the one normally used by the rest of MythTV

[19:33:53]

sphery:

upnp has its own stuff

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iamlindoro:

superb

[19:34:27]

iamlindoro:

well it doesn't have to, in this case

[19:34:31]

iamlindoro:

just use a gcorecontext

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wagnerrp:

aclonedsheep: acceptable as a frontend, garbage as a backend or combo machine

[19:35:04]

sphery:

I have no idea why upnp has its own configuration class stuff

[19:35:05]

aclonedsheep:

wagnerrp, thanks! what kind of barebones would I need for a combo?

[19:35:18]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: gCoreContext->GetNumSetting("UPnP/MythFrontend/ServicePort", 6547);

[19:35:27]

aclonedsheep:

is there a shutle solution or would i need a mid tower?

[19:35:28]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Should work, and no reason it can't be used there

[19:35:42]

sphery:

aclonedsheep: as the resident Atom hater, I can answer, "One with a real processor, not a toy."

[19:35:55]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: sphery: Granted, that would mean adding mythcorecontext.h assuming it's not included from elsewhere

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aclonedsheep:

sphery lmao — okay

[19:36:07]

aclonedsheep:

i made an impulse buy with an atom and got newegg to take it back cuz it had an overheating issue

[19:36:11]

Methuselah:

bobcat, hehe

[19:36:20]

aclonedsheep:

so im trying to redeem myself... but i am on a strict budget sphery, hene the atom attraction :b

[19:36:23]

aclonedsheep:

atomic attraction ?

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sphery:

the only problem with that system (for a backend--and the reason why it's acceptable and not "good" as a frontend) is that it has a bad processor

[19:36:29]

wagnerrp:

aclonedsheep: basically, everything you do on the backend is done on the CPU, meaning you want a real CPU

[19:36:46]

wagnerrp:

commercial detection, database ops, guide data handling... its all very CPU intensive

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aclonedsheep:

so I will have to look at the shuttle systems since that could still fit by the TV I think

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** skd5aner is shutting down to install new blu-ray drive **

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aclonedsheep:

gotcha

[19:37:03]

wagnerrp:

why do you need a shuttle system?

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aclonedsheep:

i dont

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aclonedsheep:

i just wanted something not full size

[19:37:24]

aclonedsheep:

i liked how compact the atom nettops are

[19:37:27]

wagnerrp:

so build something not-full-size

[19:38:07]

aclonedsheep:

any suggestions?

[19:38:53]

wagnerrp:

one of the devs is very happy with one of these as a backend... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112265

[19:39:01]

sphery:

not suggesting anything in particular except a system with a real processor: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321

[19:39:21]

aclonedsheep:

thanks for setting me straight :b

[19:39:34]

wagnerrp:

6 hard drives, a PCIe dual tuner card, quad core i7, plus some external tuners

[19:39:46]

aclonedsheep:

yeah that would be nice

[19:39:49]

wagnerrp:

apparently its nearly silent

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aclonedsheep:

i was going to try to fix my desktop but maybe ill just recycle components , the PSU and HDD should be fine, DVD unless i wanna go bluray

[19:41:05]

wagnerrp:

the other option is using your old desktop as a backend, and hide it in the basement, with the hard drives and tuner

[19:41:06]

wagnerrp:

s

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aclonedsheep:

i have to admit — i hate putting on heatsinks, part of why i liked getting a barebones, but ultimately I agree, I won't be happy unless i have a real cpu

[19:41:26]

wagnerrp:

build something small and compact for a frontend

[19:41:35]

aclonedsheep:

my basement floods so itd have to be upstairs

[19:41:43]

wagnerrp:

whats wrong with heatsinks?

[19:42:03]

wagnerrp:

weve come a long way since those old spring metal clips

[19:42:08]

aclonedsheep:

True haha

[19:42:10]

aclonedsheep:

I just have bad old memories

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aclonedsheep:

i've done it a ton too

[19:42:35]

wagnerrp:

everyone hated the old metal clips, but modern retention mechanisms are all fairly simple to use

[19:42:42]

aclonedsheep:

wagnerrp that would be ideal but I might be limited to one PC purchase/upgrade right now, and i'd have to worry about the networking/cable aspect of it

[19:43:22]

aclonedsheep:

but the box you linked to might be a nice hybrid

[19:44:40]

aclonedsheep:

i might be able to RMA the quadcore CPU I have and just buy a micro ATX board

[19:45:03]

wagnerrp:

that case is a mini-itx case, not micro

[19:45:07]

aclonedsheep:

I know i have a bad CPU/mobo so maybe i should just try it out first with the new mobo even. Hmm thanks for advice

[19:45:10]

aclonedsheep:

Ah yeah mini

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aclonedsheep:

wagner, if I did just fix my desktop as a backend, what do you recommend as a value but acceptable CPU for a front end?

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wagnerrp:

dual core Athlon II or Core 2

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aclonedsheep:

thanks, and what would you say for that mini ATX case if I were to do a hybrid?

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wagnerrp:

mini-itx

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aclonedsheep:

:X

[19:49:29]

wagnerrp:

i would say the same processor for a combo box as well

[19:49:37]

wagnerrp:

more power beyond that is up to you

[19:49:56]

wagnerrp:

but i would recommend one of those two as a minimum for any computer used for mythtv

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aclonedsheep:

oh cool, that is good to know

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aclonedsheep:

what do you recommend as far as tuners?

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on your needs

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sphery:

+1 on Athlon II or Core 2

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sphery:

dual core

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sphery:

and 2.6GHz or better

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sphery:

ideally

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aclonedsheep:

cool — I think i'm going to build a hybrid system with an eye on getting the desktop going as a backend down the road

[19:52:25]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: it should be passing the GetValue call straight through to GetNumSetting

[19:52:40]

Shadow__X:

your tunners would depend on what your recording source is

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aclonedsheep:

right now I have comcast digital cable but Ive thought about canceling it in which case I'd need a QAM tuner...

[19:53:17]

wagnerrp:

!url nocablecard

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MythLogBot:

nocablecard: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

if you cancel comcast, you would have no use for a QAM tuner

[19:54:09]

sphery:

atsc would be the OTA modulation

[19:54:12]

aclonedsheep:

well i'd keep the basic package, i get some free QAM stations

[19:54:20]

sphery:

er, really, 8VSB, but as defined in ATSC spec

[19:54:29]

aclonedsheep:

i used to get a ton of stations that way but now its just the free/public ones but a good HD signal

[19:54:32]

aclonedsheep:

dont need to worry about antenna

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sphery:

ah, so cancelling the premium package or whatever

[19:54:51]

wagnerrp:

aclonedsheep: so you would pay $30/mo for basic cable just so you could avoid having an antenna?

[19:55:07]

sphery:

my $100 antenna was overkill

[19:55:17]

sphery:

and less than 4 months of $30/mo :)

[19:55:27]

sphery:

granted, installing it in the attic was a chore

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aclonedsheep:

wagnerrp, theres a cheaper plan than that

[19:56:26]

aclonedsheep:

like $!0

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aclonedsheep:

$10

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aclonedsheep:

and i think i need to have that to get the price i do on my internet

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aclonedsheep:

at a minimum

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aclonedsheep:

Yeah I just dont really use my cable that much to justify the cost, i'd almost rather spend the money on more bandwidth

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sphery:

around here, they require the $30/mo plan to get the discounted Internet

[19:57:21]

aclonedsheep:

ah

[19:57:33]

aclonedsheep:

or rather have a nice htpc

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sphery:

I hope yours is better than mine and allows it with the $10/mo cable plan

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aclonedsheep:

ive done it before

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sphery:

I have Earthlink service over Brighthouse lines so I get the discounted Internet price but without the cable TV service

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aclonedsheep:

Wow, there's still earthlink

[19:58:25]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[19:58:50]

aclonedsheep:

are you also using a voodoo 3d card

[19:59:54]

Methuselah:

wagnerrp: so I take it there is a problem with the code, should I open a ticket(or are you on it)? Not trying to be pushy just want to know what else I should do.

[20:00:07]

wagnerrp:

im looking at it

[20:00:11]

aclonedsheep:

alright I gotta run. Thanks a lot for the advice

[20:00:34]

sphery:

it was part of the TW/AOL merger requirements--TW had to break up their cable company (so Brighthouse got formed) and TW and Brighthouse both had to allow 3rd party "providers" to use their cable lines (Earthlink being one)... So, the only difference is that my dhcp hostname is an earthlink one (actually, mindspring), and my e-mail addresses are earthlink ones

[20:00:53]

sphery:

brighthouse actually bills and provides customer service... kind of a strange deal overall

[20:00:54]

Methuselah:

wagneerrp: Thankyou sir!

[20:01:04]

Methuselah:

you too sphery

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Nede:

hi chat!

[20:03:25]

wagnerrp:

a/s/l?

[20:04:04]

iamlindoro:

18/f/ca

[20:04:14]

wagnerrp:

ooh, hawt!

[20:04:56]

iamlindoro:

way u wearin

[20:04:59]

iamlindoro:

er wt

[20:05:09]

sphery:

heh

[20:05:27]

skd5aner:

this place has officially jumped the shark

[20:05:36]

wagnerrp:

vroom vroom!

[20:07:17]

wagnerrp:

sphery: if im reading this right, that configuration value for the MediaRenderer comes straight from config.xml, and only config.xml

[20:07:24]

wagnerrp:

the lookups never touch the database

[20:08:00]

Nede:

It 's normal that in no recording live tv ttvdb.py I do not download any metadata? By 0:23 only works with titles in English, but now nothing! It happens to everyone?

[20:08:04]

sphery:

could be...

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sphery:

I haven't looked at the upnp configuration class stuff

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats it

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wagnerrp:

Methuselah: ^^^

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wagnerrp:

Nede: huh?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if so, why is that stored in the DB?

[20:09:58]

wagnerrp:

sphery: its not stored in the db, never has been

[20:10:06]

sphery:

oh

[20:10:07]

wagnerrp:

there is no option in the UI to set that port

[20:10:13]

sphery:

cool

[20:10:29]

Nede:

hi wagnerrp, no download metadata ttvdb.py....

[20:10:31]

sphery:

so just requires setting up an appropriate config.xml

[20:10:44]

wagnerrp:

Nede: what does that have to do with recordings or livetv?

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Nede:

wagnerrp: recordings and livetv!!!

[20:11:42]

Nede:

mythvideo is ok on jamu...

[20:11:50]

wagnerrp:

Methuselah: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Agj7c6Lr

[20:12:01]

wagnerrp:

you need to add a 'ServicePort' option to your config.xml

[20:12:13]

wagnerrp:

Nede: what does ttvdb.py have anything to do with recordings or livetv?

[20:14:30]

Nede:

what plugin work for download metadata on live tv?

[20:14:52]

wagnerrp:

the only source of metadata for livetv is through your XMLTV provider

[20:15:00]

Nede:

edit: script....

[20:15:05]

wagnerrp:

or EIT if you use that

[20:15:17]

wagnerrp:

there are no scripts which will pull additional metadata for use with livetv

[20:15:30]

Nede:

....ERRORRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! not metadata, sorry........fanart, poser......

[20:15:39]

Nede:

edit: poster

[20:15:50]

wagnerrp:

there are no scripts which will pull additional artwork for use with livetv

[20:16:04]

Methuselah:

just got back, i am checking it out

[20:16:08]

wagnerrp:

JAMU only pulls artwork for scheduled recordings

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wagnerrp:

and it does not use ttvdb.py to do so

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Nede:

but in 0.23 I had the posters in the recordings of live TV ....

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wagnerrp:

no, in 0.23, JAMU would pull posters for shows you had recorded

[20:20:10]

Nede:

.. then I remember correctly, then the script is JAMU and only works in the scheduled recordings right?

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wagnerrp:

thats what ive been saying

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wagnerrp:

JAMU has nothing to do with ttvdb.py

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Nede:

ok....

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skd5aner:

I think I want to start a futures market... maybe start with "What organ will Steve Jobs buy/harvest next"?

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skd5aner:

I'm going to say pancreas. Why? Because the odds are so low that I'll be rich if I'm right

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jamiem:

hello :)

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Nede:

hi wagnerrp, i go! Thank you so match!!!!!

[20:29:50]

jamiem:

I'm trying to tidy up my database a bit: is this a definitive list of tables (for 0.24) that I _should_ have for an installation with no extra plugins

[20:29:52]

jamiem:

http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-trunk/group__db__schema.html

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wagnerrp:

jamiem: why do you need to tidy it up?

[20:30:32]

jamiem:

wagnerrp: I have lots of tables that I'm sure I don't need movies_etc.

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wagnerrp:

so?

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jamiem:

well I'd rather have a correct, more trim database

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jamiem:

hmm. Many of these tables are empty anyway

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wagnerrp:

the seektables will absolutely dwarf all other information in the database

[20:31:53]

wagnerrp:

'tidying it up' wont save any significant amount of space

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Beirdo:

dang it

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Beirdo:

forgot the -x on that last cherrypick

[20:34:41]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt have bothered

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Beirdo:

oooh, and I didnt

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Beirdo:

didn't push :)

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Beirdo:

heheh.

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wagnerrp:

1.7 is the minimum supported version... end of discussion

[20:35:07]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

it's too bad so many distros have way old git

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I put in a fallback though

[20:36:08]

sphery:

yeah, the fallback is good

[20:36:13]

sphery:

because version helps us as much as them

[20:36:22]

sphery:

granted, dirty helps us more than it helps them, but...

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Beirdo:

there, pushed

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jamiem:

2011-01–17 19:54:05.411 Program #10060 not found in PAT! In this case, is that Program # channel.channum ?

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sphery:

iamlindoro / wagnerrp: I updated videofilemetadata at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TaskRecordedFile . Please let me know if you see anything missing.

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sphery:

jamiem: that's some identifier in the Program Allocation Table (part of the broadcast stream)

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sphery:

i.e. not MythTV data

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sphery:

says me, to himself

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Methuselah:

I am happy to report I have multiseat mythtv is back in full operation(8 displays using two computers). Hehe, I never knew about serviceport. Is there a list somewhere of all the tags that can be used in config.xml?

[20:49:33]

wagnerrp:

not that im aware of

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wagnerrp:

what processor/videocards are you using for that?

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Methuselah:

well good that i ran into you hey.

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Methuselah:

not major, phenom and ati 5450

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wagnerrp:

just one? for four displays?

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Methuselah:

one computer, 4 display

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wagnerrp:

one card

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Methuselah:

yes

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wagnerrp:

using opengl for output i suppose?

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Methuselah:

yes

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wagnerrp:

well at least youre one of the lucky ones to get fglrx to work properly

[20:52:59]

** sphery is starting to think progstart/progend belong in mediafile **

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wagnerrp:

i assume you cant actually run all four displays at the same time

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Methuselah:

the other computer uses 4350's. Some open source developer is working on getting headless ports done correctly

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Methuselah:

oops i mean dual headed

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sphery:

and starttime/endtime should become progstart/progend

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wagnerrp:

whats this text file

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** wagnerrp wants pretty pictures **

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** wagnerrp throws a hissy fit **

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sphery:

heh, I'm trying to figure out how to put the PNG on the wiki

[20:54:36]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont know if trac even supports files

[20:55:39]

Methuselah:

Yes, you can run all at the same time, dvd's are ok but I don't know about h264, i used to have problems but that was a while ago.

[20:55:57]

sphery:

wagnerrp: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/recordedfile_schema.png (for now, at least)

[20:56:27]

wagnerrp:

sphery: im more just concerned with the cross-references, which the text file doesnt clearly describe

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jamiem:

2011-01–17 20:56:21.839 MythSocket(166ebc0:70): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (922 errors) is this bad?

[20:56:51]

sphery:

yeah, the E/R diagram is much better for that

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sphery:

I'm changing progstart/progend

[20:58:03]

wagnerrp:

would be nice to resolve the progstart/starttime/recstartts issues at this point

[20:58:47]

sphery:

yeah, it needs to be or we don't get the benefit we wanted

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sphery:

recorded will be progstart/progend (from listings)

[20:59:14]

sphery:

recordedfile will have what used to be starttime/endtime (from recording start/end)

[20:59:40]

sphery:

that way, we have one recorded entry for all 5 parts of the recording that were caused by reboots during recording

[20:59:43]

wagnerrp:

should 'starttime' be dropped all together?

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sphery:

and just have multiple files...

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wagnerrp:

and just use progstart or recstart

[21:00:08]

sphery:

but recordedfile is one to one with recorded, so that won't work

[21:00:19]

sphery:

yeah, eventually we should be able to simplify naming

[21:00:25]

sphery:

if I can figure out how to link it up

[21:00:34]

sphery:

video is getting in the way when I get down to mediafile

[21:00:44]

wagnerrp:

my complaint is just that starttime is currently ambiguous

[21:00:51]

wagnerrp:

it means different things at different places

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sphery:

yeah, that's because progstart/progend are new

[21:01:19]

sphery:

once we determined that starttime/endtime don't mean what we thought they did

[21:01:37]

sphery:

they'll get simplified--meaning consistent naming--once we fix up storage

[21:01:59]

sphery:

ok, so recordedfile could work since it also includes fileid in the pk

[21:02:14]

sphery:

that's how it has to work...

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wagnerrp:

mediafile needs a hash

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wagnerrp:

oh, its in videofile

[21:03:44]

wagnerrp:

nevermind

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sphery:

so what do I call the recording start time and end time to make it distinct from starttime/endtime in recordedfile

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sphery:

recstartts and recendts?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i say just drop starttime/endtime all together

[21:05:30]

wagnerrp:

and replace it with progstart/recstart[ts] as needed

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sphery:

that's not a bad idea

[21:05:51]

wagnerrp:

not sure why it needs the 'ts' on the end, but no matter

[21:06:00]

sphery:

I'll bounce it off Capt M

[21:06:20]

wagnerrp:

my complaint is just that recorded.starttime and ProgramInfo.starttime do not match

[21:06:21]

sphery:

yeah, if we go with progstart/progend, recstart/recend makes more sense

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sphery:

the ts = timestamp, which isn't necessary--this isn't MS Windows code :)

[21:06:39]

wagnerrp:

recorded.starttime=ProgramInfo.recstartts, and ProgramInfo.starttime=recorded.progstart

[21:06:56]

sphery:

yeah, we have to fix the storage to fix the naming problems

[21:06:57]

sphery:

:)

[21:08:35]

wagnerrp:

maybe move the artwork out into a separate table?

[21:08:54]

sphery:

it will actually be separate files... files listed in mediafile

[21:09:15]

wagnerrp:

a table with fields, id, filename, type, maybe url

[21:09:20]

sphery:

the fields in videofilemetadata will reference the fileid

[21:09:28]

wagnerrp:

and then tables linking it to recorded and videofilemetadata

[21:09:34]

sphery:

that's what mediafile does

[21:09:35]

wagnerrp:

or actors

[21:09:50]

wagnerrp:

im talking about the coverfile/banner/fanart stuff

[21:09:56]

sphery:

and you can have multiple coverfiles, for example, but the "primary" will be listable in videofilemetadata

[21:10:05]

sphery:

yeah, they'll still be mediafiles

[21:10:08]

wagnerrp:

oh, ok

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sphery:

so will recording previews

[21:10:18]

wagnerrp:

i dont see those tables here

[21:10:23]

sphery:

I'd like to remove them from videofilemetadata, but will leave them there to start with

[21:10:40]

sphery:

then if doing the joins on demand works, performance wise, we can remove them later

[21:10:48]

wagnerrp:

oh, i see

[21:10:55]

wagnerrp:

mediafile is for everything, not just videos

[21:10:58]

sphery:

right

[21:10:58]

wagnerrp:

makes sense

[21:11:09]

sphery:

though that makes the length I just added wrong...

[21:11:14]

sphery:

maybe it has to be in streaminfo

[21:11:21]

sphery:

thanks :)

[21:12:48]

wagnerrp:

one thing i would like to see is some way to map multiple videofilemetadata entries to a single mediafile

[21:13:17]

wagnerrp:

something for use with ISOs

[21:13:32]

wagnerrp:

where you can point a videofilemetadata directly at one title

[21:13:55]

wagnerrp:

so if you have multiple movies or multiple episodes on one ISO, you could point to them directly

[21:14:44]

wagnerrp:

or if there are bonus features like the stuff Pixar does that you want to point to directly

[21:15:06]

wagnerrp:

or even if you just want to point at the main title of a movie so you can play it directly, rather than going through the menu

[21:20:46]

sphery:

we have that through videopart

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sphery:

oh, no, we don't

[21:21:10]

sphery:

we only have the opposite

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wagnerrp:

yeah, we could use order in reverse

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sphery:

yeah, but the pk of fileid + videoid means only one to one

[21:22:17]

wagnerrp:

but then you would need smarts in the code to determine if its part of a single file, or a video with multiple parts

[21:22:31]

wagnerrp:

and that too

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wagnerrp:

no

[21:22:46]

wagnerrp:

because it would be multiple videoids to a single fileid

[21:22:49]

wagnerrp:

still unique

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sphery:

oh, yeah, but we would have multiple videoids

[21:22:51]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

sorry.. catching up still

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sphery:

so one more field in videopart to determine the direction of relationship?

[21:24:35]

sphery:

but, in theory, it could be both...

[21:24:48]

sphery:

we have one iso that has multiple videofilemetadatas

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wagnerrp:

well theres also the rare movie like Gods and Generals

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wagnerrp:

where the main title spans two disks

[21:25:05]

wagnerrp:

and there are bonus features on both disks

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Gibby:

what is the version that is supported for mkv's?

[21:25:14]

sphery:

and we also have a separate transcoded copy of the parts so we have multiple fileids for one videofilemetadata

[21:25:26]

sphery:

I think we can do it with how we have it

[21:25:37]

sphery:

but like you said we'd need the code to understand them

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skd5aner:

if you get that stuff in, I can check off one of my top 3 feature request items :)

[21:27:37]

wagnerrp:

handling of series ISOs?

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skd5aner:

yes, and handling metadata/playback of mulitple shows/movies per iso

[21:30:46]

sphery:

wagnerrp: updated image available

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sphery:

wagnerrp: just attached the image to the page: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/wiki/T . . . e_schema.png

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I will be very sad if season and episode aren't added to recorded as part of this overhaul... and possibly/probably inetref too

[21:36:59]

iamlindoro:

I can always add them later, but... would be one less DB update

[21:37:30]

wagnerrp:

the first batch of changes is just to get mythvideo migrated over, and get some testing with it

[21:37:38]

wagnerrp:

i think recorded is left intentionally unchanged for now

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sphery:

we'll need many DB updates to actually switch to using the new data :)

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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sphery:

I have no clue how to get new data into the new programinfo, anyway :)

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sphery:

but I can put it in the schema

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iamlindoro:

nm

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iamlindoro:

I'll just do it when I get around to making it do something

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sphery:

would it make more sense to break out TV and non-TV/movie metadata into a couple of tables that can be ref'ed from either videofilemetadata or recorded?

[21:40:00]

sphery:

I don't really know which is which

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sphery:

but, in general, having fields that are ignored for some rows seems clumsy tome

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sphery:

(this not critiquing your idea to add new metadata to recorded, but mainly the "one big table of random info" approach we've used in the past for recordings)

[21:41:42]

sphery:

breaking it out would also help to make usage consistent

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sphery:

for things like rating vs stars

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sphery:

if we were to do that, what would be TV and what would be non-TV metadata?

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sphery:

or maybe I should ask which info applies to only one or the other?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ^^^

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iamlindoro:

There is relatively little info in videos which doesn't have a direct analogue in recorded

[21:46:02]

iamlindoro:

There are also several things that should be in recorded that it lacks

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sphery:

right, that's what I'm talking about--consolidating it

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sphery:

instead of having it in 2 different tables

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iamlindoro:

recorded should/could have homepage, inetref, season, episode, and a number of others

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sphery:

then I think we should plan to put that somewhere else and link it from both tables

[21:46:45]

iamlindoro:

That's fine

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sphery:

I just don't know the non-listings metadata well enough to know how it fits or how to define it

[21:47:14]

iamlindoro:

ie, theoretically one might like to get the taglines, seasons, episodes, and interefs for the stuff they record, even though they presently on't

[21:47:22]

sphery:

yeah, that's what I was thinking

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iamlindoro:

and homepages, estudios, etc.

[21:47:47]

sphery:

so rather than just add 10 new fields to recorded, break out the commonality

[21:47:47]

iamlindoro:

That would mean that each recording would need to have a lookup done at some point (probably at end of recording would be best)

[21:47:51]

iamlindoro:

but wouldn't be a big deal

[21:48:01]

iamlindoro:

yes, what I'm saying is that 90%+ of it is common

[21:48:03]

sphery:

yeah, seems reasonable and fits the "just works" approach

[21:48:17]

iamlindoro:

even if it's with a slightly different terminology

[21:48:25]

sphery:

right... so please help me define the commonality/mapping :)

[21:48:31]

iamlindoro:

ie, videos have insertdate, which is roughly analogous to recorded date/time

[21:49:06]

iamlindoro:

all of recorded should probably have a artwork ints too

[21:49:18]

sphery:

could you do up a list of fields for a metadata table?

[21:49:31]

iamlindoro:

It would be much easier to do this by putting together a list of all of them together, removing dupes, and then eliminating the couple non-common things

[21:49:41]

iamlindoro:

Sure, but not sure when that will be

[21:49:49]

iamlindoro:

I'll try to find time tonight

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sphery:

ok, no hurry

[21:50:07]

iamlindoro:

originalairdate == releasedate

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iamlindoro:

etc.

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sphery:

I'm still waiting on one last sanity check for mythvideo schema import

[21:50:20]

iamlindoro:

so when we made that merge we'd want to make sure we "translated" stuff properly

[21:50:32]

sphery:

I also need to get some MySQL guru (*cough*kormoc*cough*) to help me figure out indices for the new recordedfile schema

[21:50:55]

sphery:

yeah, first step, I'm just stuffing the new schema tables in place

[21:51:08]

kormoc:

sphery, trac ticket with patch or?

[21:51:10]

sphery:

then I'll do gradual transition

[21:51:26]

sphery:

kormoc: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TaskRecordedFile (see, also, attachment for E/R diagram)

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sphery:

kormoc: but we may be making some big changes to metadata fields in recorded and videofilemetadata

[21:52:17]

kormoc:

kk, I'll poke at it :)

[21:52:28]

sphery:

kormoc: "soon" I'll have a patch that puts the schema in place.

[21:53:06]

sphery:

note, also, that all table names are unique with the exception of recorded (I'll probably put in a newrecorded just as a placeholder) and recordedfile--but there is no usage of recordedfile anywhere in mythtv, so I plan to drop it and create the new one

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sphery:

so you can use what's in that wiki page to create tables if you want to play inside mysql

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sphery:

btw, thanks wagnerrp , iamlindoro , and kormoc

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kormoc:

snaz

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sphery:

I'm the political figurehead, and you're all my expert advisors

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sphery:

s/political/clueless political/

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sphery:

and with that, I think I'll stop working on mythtv--the invite to a steak dinner takes precedence :)

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skd5aner:

typical politician... getting wined and dined

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

ok, so splitting mythbackend has just moved about 300 places up on my MythTV TODO list

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sphery:

(yeah, that's very telling of how little I get done, right--having 300 places for it to move on my list :)

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sphery:

way too many people on -users talking about running master backend on pogoplugs or atom systems and doing capture elsewhere

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** kormoc blinks at sphery **

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sphery:

just want them to run in a supported configuration

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sphery:

so we should get the configuration they want to run supported

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kormoc:

that just seems silly to have the oomph to record somewhere else but to not use that oomph for the primary backend

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

but it "saves power"

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: its because they want a little 5W PC running all the time, instead of a normal 50W PC

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sphery:

should do wonders for mysql performance, too

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kormoc:

...

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sphery:

or maybe they'll put the mysql on the normal 50W PC

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sphery:

then they can run both, but only report the power usage of the 5W PC

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kormoc:

they want a 5W running all the time plus 25W box on standby waiting for the 5W box to turn it on

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kormoc:

WOL is hardly free

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sphery:

kormoc: these are the things that people do so they don't have to buy a 10W idle Mac Mini

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sphery:

or similar

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sphery:

"Green" on the surface, at least

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats all that matters, right?

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sphery:

seems that way

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sphery:

Atom is green because marketing says so

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sphery:

non-Atom is high powered because it's not Atom

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sphery:

therefore, I must run Atom to save power

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i must get an atom with an external linear rectifier, because DC is better

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

saves an AC->DC conversion, too, since you're feeding it DC and that's what it needs

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sphery:

(yes, I know)

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wagnerrp:

agh... how many people actually bought the PS3 with the intent of running a linux HTPC application on it?

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wagnerrp:

in 2006, $600 would buy you a very nice, small, dual core frontend, with 2GB of memory

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wagnerrp:

smaller, quieter, less power consuming, and more capable for video playback under linux than the PS3

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wagnerrp:

do people just not understand the fact that all the raw power in a processor means exactly nothing if there is no software written to take advantage of it?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, but but but it's MOAR!

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soreau:

I get this message when trying to use 'watch tv' for my dvb card: "mythtv is using all inputs but there are no active recordings"

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xtort-:

no

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soreau:

I ran the setup program but I don't know what's wrong. The Scan Channels button is grayed out

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xtort-:

do you have the tuner selected, not another input?

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soreau:

Where should I check that?

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soreau:

IN the setup program for inputs, the card is listed but it points to none ->(None)

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soreau:

(DVBInput) -> (None)

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skd5aner:

I just got a PS3 for Christmas – could care less about the UPnP stuff (at least right now)

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kormoc:

I got a wii for Christmas and I don't get any UPnP stuff ;)

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uw:

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uw:

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uw:

yeah i really never have liked the upnp stuff

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abarbaccia1:

i want to grab the metadata for "the pacific" from ttvdb.org — what is the easiest way to do it in mythvideo?

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aclonedsheep:

Does anyone have any experience or thoughts on a Jetaway Mini ITX mobo for a HTPC? I like that i can use memory RAM i already have but kind of untrustworthy of the brand's reliability?

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abarbaccia1:

aclonedsheep: i hated jetway HTPC offerings – fans were EXTREMELY loud and quality was pretty subpar

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aclonedsheep:

this is just a mobo, not their case and stuff.. I want to get a lian li mini ITX case someone posted in here earlier, just cant find a good mobo yet

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aclonedsheep:

is it still best to stick w/ gigabyte?

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abarbaccia1:

gagabyte makes good stuff

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abarbaccia1:

honestly, look at the ion platform

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abarbaccia1:

it's your best shot

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aclonedsheep:

thats what I had originally been considering

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abarbaccia1:

you can't go wrong

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aclonedsheep:

but I talked to a few anti Atom people in here earlier — but that might be because I was contemplating trying to run a combo front/back end

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abarbaccia1:

worst experience is spending money and time on hardware then being unsatisified

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aclonedsheep:

Well I did haha — i got a foxconn nt330i and it overheats and crashes...newegg made an exception and is letting me return and get something else

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aclonedsheep:

its a common issue with it apparently so i said i didnt want to roll the die again

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aclonedsheep:

but that got me thinking if i should just get something that i could put a tuner in and have a litlte more build in storage

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aclonedsheep:

honestly I'm kind of overwhelmed by the choices haha

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kormoc:

there's only a few anti-atom folks in here?

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aclonedsheep:

no they were just the vocal ones at the time

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aclonedsheep:

so im probably going to go with the miniITX setup and not atom, but i dunno for sure yet

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kormoc:

As someone who didn't get a atom, I'm extremely happy I didn't

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aclonedsheep:

whatd you get?

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aclonedsheep:

I Got an atom (Read above) and feel like i have a second chance now to get a real CPU

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kormoc:

Mac Mini

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aclonedsheep:

ah...too much $ and i wanna recycle parts

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kormoc:

all it is is a premade mini-itx with a core2duo, nothing special about it

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have/had both. Best option is to split FE and BE.

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aclonedsheep:

if i get this lian li mini ITX i can use a PSU i have...if i get that jetaway mobo i can use the notebook ram I just bought for the atom build

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aclonedsheep:

JEDIDIAH__, FE/BE ??

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JEDIDIAH__:

otherwise, something like an antec fusion case with a beefier mobo might fit the bill.

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kormoc:

Meh, My mini is a combo FE/BE/JQ/MW just fine

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JEDIDIAH__:

FrontEnd BackEnd

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kormoc:

aclonedsheep, Frontend Backend

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aclonedsheep:

oh of course

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aclonedsheep:

the logistics for me isnt ideal for it to be split

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aclonedsheep:

in terms of networking/cable availability

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JEDIDIAH__:

noise and cooling are always tricky for a "living room device"

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, not when it's practically silent ;)

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aclonedsheep:

I have noisy steam radiators in here its not a huge issue for me haha

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kormoc:

The mini's are amazingly quiet

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kormoc:

and you can make anything else pretty similar

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