Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 11th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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Twiggy2cents:

its called remotemyth

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Twiggy2cents:

I will try pidof in a sec

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Twiggy2cents:

That works in the terminal

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Twiggy2cents:

and yes when I run the ps command I get mythfronend and then like 3 mythfronend zombie or defunct processes

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Twiggy2cents:

well I did one time, not this time though. I just checked

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kormoc:

the entire exit loop should just be a killall mythfrontend

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Twiggy2cents:

Now it just says this option is not available

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kormoc:

why would anyone loop like that...

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont even get a prompt asking to exit

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kormoc:

I still find that a horrible idea

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Twiggy2cents:

I just want a script to start and stop mythfrontend

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Twiggy2cents:

That is the only one I have found

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kormoc:

why?

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Twiggy2cents:

well because I have the idea in my head

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Twiggy2cents:

I was perfectly happy with a power button that just turns it on. But now the fact that I can kill it too makes me want it

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kormoc:

ooookay...

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Twiggy2cents:

lol I guess I will just be happy witha power button to turn it on

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Twiggy2cents:

Thank you for taking a look at it though

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, I'd do this personally, http://pastebin.com/eed1hdjN

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kormoc:

skip the weird auto-start countdown

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Twiggy2cents:

It still doesnt ask me to exit

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Twiggy2cents:

I have 4 "defunct" processes

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Twiggy2cents:

The seem to be unexitable

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Twiggy2cents:

s/unexitable/unkillable

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Twiggy2cents:

The show up when it loads adn go away when I quit it

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Twiggy2cents:

Hmm and they go away when watching tv. So why do you think it doesnt ask me to exit.

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Twiggy2cents:

Sorry I should add. I added a line before mythfronend & It is export DISPLAY=: 0.1

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Twiggy2cents:

Would that change it?

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kormoc:

no space between the : and the 0

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Twiggy2cents:

Sorry there isnt in the script

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kormoc:

I'm assuming the proper command isn't working on your box for wahtever reason

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kormoc:

it's not one I'm familar with or even have

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Twigg:

so what is -z?

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Twigg:

pidof mythfrontend tells the pid

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Twigg:

I know it kinda works cause it wont start a duplicate mythfrontend

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kormoc:

the string is null (has zero length)

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kormoc:

or in other words, there is no pids returend by pidof

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Twigg:

wait why would it not return pids then, but if I type pidof mythfrontend I get the pid number

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kormoc:

donno

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Twigg:

weird

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kormoc:

but you can run it via bash -x file.sh

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kormoc:

and it'll show what it's doing

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Twigg:

it errors at the exit

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Twigg:

hang on let me get the pastebin

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kormoc:

pastebin

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Twigg:

http://pastebin.com/EBAb8Zfz

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kormoc:

there you go, the zenity options are wrong

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kormoc:

zenity --help

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Twigg:

when it says --title=TITLE or --text=STRING should there be ""'s like in the script?

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kormoc:

I have no idea. I don't have the program

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Twigg:

DOH

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Twigg:

he spelled title tite!

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Twigg:

that was it

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kormoc:

there ya go

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Twigg:

so can I just take the killall and move it to where the zenity is?

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Twigg:

I cant select the yes button to close!

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Twigg:

The button is recesesed and is hard to press so it wouldnt be accidental

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kormoc:

sure

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Twigg:

Okay it worked. Thank you alot!

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kormoc:

np

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iamlindoro:

Heh, ubuntu couldn't calculate the deps to upgrade my totally standard 10.04 box, and so it failed in the middle of the upgrade with no error message, leaving all the maverick sources in apt, and an unbootable system. Whoops.

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Beirdo:

wow

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orlok:

wow

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orlok:

unbootable?

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iamlindoro:

ah-yup

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orlok:

if it couldent calculate the deps, how did it modify the system to that poiont?

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Beirdo:

it hasn't done that to me in quite a few versions.... I'll have to watch out when I go from 10.04.1 to 10.10 sometime

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iamlindoro:

Very good question

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iamlindoro:

It seems tehre's some incremental process it got hosed in the middle of

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orlok:

man what sort of crap are they letting on slashdot these days

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, fixable manually, but sorta funny

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orlok:

http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/01/10/141824 . . . lar-Sysadmin

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orlok:

somebody trying to figure out the most stupid complicated solution to a non-issue lol

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Beirdo:

heh, kinda nasty too

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iamlindoro:

Seems to have gotten stuck on a dep issue for x11-xkb-utils, but removing that manually, which in turn removed xorg, then reinstalling xorg, then reinstalling gdm, then restarting the upgrade, allowed it to continue

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Beirdo:

ouchy

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-VGP-XL1B2-Media-Ch . . . p/B000ENU79C

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you could always get the upgraded version of that....

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Beirdo:

oh so tempting

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wagnerrp:

5 seconds away from pasting that

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

I have one of those

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iamlindoro:

so does GreyFoxx

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Beirdo:

you do? how do ya like it?

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: even had some code for remote playback from one of those attached to a backend at one point

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iamlindoro:

It works as advertised (and I wrote up some batch-ripping stuff that was kind of fun)

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Beirdo:

coooool

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orlok:

eurgh sony

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orlok:

*spits*

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wagnerrp:

tied together with nbd

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iamlindoro:

But I don't use DVD any more, so it sits in the closet now

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Beirdo:

my main reason for wanting would be to rip CDs... and/or DVDs that I own

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iamlindoro:

yeah, there's some pythonage out there to batch-rip audio CDs, too

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wagnerrp:

(until you figure out how to bootstrap a BDROM in there)

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iamlindoro:

I used that as the basis for my DVD ripper

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orlok:

sony is overprived low quality crap for idiots that only care about the "ooh shiny!"

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Beirdo:

nice

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** orlok kicks a vaio laptop **

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wagnerrp:

orlok: know anyone else who sells optical jukeboxes?

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** iamlindoro wonders how long it will be before this upgrade bumps his IRC proxy offline **

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orlok:

wagnerrp: yeah, i've seen them at every trade show i've been to

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orlok:

and i stopped going to trade shows 8 or 9 years ago

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, I paid like 180 on ebay, though, so don't pay amazon prices

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** kormoc eyes orlok wondering what sony product killed his puppy **

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orlok:

kormoc: ever been handed a sony vaio, without driver cd's, and been told to reinstall windows?

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Beirdo:

hehe, yeah, I would definitely be looking at ebay, etc.

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wagnerrp:

the only ones i can find are a sony and a pioneer

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kormoc:

orlok, %s/sony vaio/any other laptop/ and it's pretty much the same story

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orlok:

wagnerrp: actually, the ones i remember seeing looked more like a tape robot that a media center disk changer

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orlok:

kormoc: nah, sony doesnt make the drivers available online unless they have been upgraded

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wagnerrp:

ive seen tons of CD changers like that

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wagnerrp:

i have a cd changer like that, row of CDs in the front, and an arm that slides back and forth in the rear

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orlok:

kormoc: plus each laptop seems to have 3 different model numbers, theres nothing standard, the qualitys crap.. did i mention no online support for drivers?

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wagnerrp:

pulls up behind the disk, drops it into the reader

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Beirdo:

I don't care about brand, just want decent quality, and if it's DVD, all the better

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kormoc:

orlok, I still stand by my statement that pretty much every other laptop out there falls into the same category

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 300+1 sony DVD carousel that has never given me any problems

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orlok:

kormoc: what drivers you can find and whether sony even thinks the laptop exists at all depends on which sony site you go to.. its horrid

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Beirdo:

and if it has *burners* in it, that could occasionally be useful too

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orlok:

kormoc: nope, and i've worked on most brands, none gave me as much crap as Sony.. having said that, the people that bought the sonys all ended up moving to Macs, and i havent had to touch any of them yet.

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Beirdo:

weekly backups of /etc :)

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, and it does indeed

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: isnt that what S3 is for?

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orlok:

<-- bitter grumpy old sysadmin

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Beirdo:

niice

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orlok:

mythtv channel database is stopred in mysql?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yes, but loading a few DVD-R in there could be useful

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wagnerrp:

everything is stored in mysql

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wagnerrp:

the only thing not stored in the database is... how to access the database

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orlok:

bussassinated

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orlok:

lol i like that word

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Beirdo:

there's one on ebay for $299.99 buy-it-now.

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Beirdo:

hmm, a bit much, I'll put it on the watch list though

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orlok:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUpkPTcqPY – dang

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orlok:

lotta water

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orlok:

droughts over then?

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wagnerrp:

hey, lets just watch the water take their cars away rather than warn the owners

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, they hate their coworkers

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wagnerrp:

WTF is he taking the air out of his tires?

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Beirdo:

oooh, an "as-is" for $69.95

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, cause the only reason the car floats is the tires of course

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wagnerrp:

of course

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: there's no cartridge or anything, right?

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wagnerrp:

hehe, i never understood those drives that required a disk cartridge

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Beirdo:

well, for the 6-disc ones, the cartridge takes the place of the storage points

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, right

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Beirdo:

Cool. I think I'll blow some money on this "as is, powers on, but untested" one

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kormoc:

least the folks down stream get free slightly wet cars

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre talking about the things where you slot the whole thing into the player

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i thought you meant the old old drives that required each disk be in its own case

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wagnerrp:

similar to the MO disks

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Beirdo:

this guy says no accessories or cables included

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Beirdo:

as all it needs is firewire and power cable, I should be fine with that

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wagnerrp:

what is this 'built in codec of the hauppauge 2250'?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it has one

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wagnerrp:

from an hour ago in #mythtv

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Beirdo:

MPEG2 for the analog side

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wagnerrp:

no, it has an encoder

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wagnerrp:

there is no codec

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Beirdo:

OK, it has half of a codec :)

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wagnerrp:

a cod if you will

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Beirdo:

it has a "co" but not a "dec"

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kormoc:

the codec is 1 and 0

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wagnerrp:

ooh, new castle tonight

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: more like locking his 4x4, old car that one

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, i should make sure ABC tunes

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wagnerrp:

it didnt last time i tried it

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orlok:

wagnerrp: lol caddies! 2x burners! memories from high school lol

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Beirdo:

I remember those caddies. I had a lovely NEC 4X that used that

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orlok:

wagnerrp: also, 4wd's will let air out of their tyres to get better traction

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orlok:

wagnerrp: but in that position.. i'd just be getting the hell out, and hoping water doesnt get in the engine

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highzeth:

orlok: you can see he got air intake pipes up the left side of the door. Proper car for the great outdoors that ;-)

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wagnerrp:

orlok: no, 4x4s will let air out of their tires to flatten their tires

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wagnerrp:

gives a broader footprint

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wagnerrp:

less pressure on the ground

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wagnerrp:

so they dont sink into the mud/snow

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orlok:

wagnerrp: broader footprint = more traction too...

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wagnerrp:

all thats going to do in a flood is make you sit lower in the water, displace more water, and give less traction

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orlok:

wagnerrp: i do it in places where theres no chance of getting bogged

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kormoc:

if the front of the car is floating, no amount of 'moar traction' will help

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orlok:

its a Patrol, if you float, you open the doors, simple

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orlok:

its not some SUV softroader, its probably got rubber mats and no carpet

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orlok:

highzeth: yeah, i'm pretty sure they are factory fitted on diesel patrols.. any water in a diesel will kill it

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orlok:

high compression, and water doesnt compress

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but those things are all sealed

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wagnerrp:

so as long as your intake is above the waterline, it doesnt matter

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highzeth:

orlok: not factory fitted in our part of the world, always optional here

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wagnerrp:

(and exhaust)

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kormoc:

water doesn't compress much

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orlok:

though if you are only crossing a river, you can get away with some cloth over the bullbar

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orlok:

just go in and dont back off, keep the bow wave going

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orlok:

kormoc: at all i thought..

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kormoc:

no, it does. It just takes a lot of pressure for very little compression

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orlok:

also, diesels have no requirement for a distributor/sparks/etc

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wagnerrp:

it compresses, just very little

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orlok:

which is probably the main issue with driving a petrol car in water

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orlok:

some people cut the fingertips off rubber gloves, grease them up and use them as a distributor condom

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** orlok misses 4wd'ing **

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kormoc:

orlok, http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/permot3.html 1.8% compression for 4 x 107 N/m2 pressue

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but thats what, 4000 atmospheres?

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kormoc:

right around

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orlok:

a teaspoon of water is enough to screw a diesel engine apparently

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orlok:

bend rods, etc

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, whoops, 397.67 atmospheres

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orlok:

yay mythtv database has copied back home

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kormoc:

33 foot per atmosphere, not 3

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wagnerrp:

thats not a teaspoon in the fuel tank, thats a teaspoon in a single cylinder

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orlok:

oh wow

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orlok:

flash flooding alerts for my state now too

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wagnerrp:

and that is going to vary greatly depending on your displacement

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orlok:

wagnerrp: yup

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wagnerrp:

considering thats 5mL, with averge diesel engine displacement... thats a tiny cylinder that little water is going to be able to damage

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wagnerrp:

that wont kill anything less than a 200cc cylinder

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wagnerrp:

erm, more

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RomioTango:

you guys hear that FreeBSD is running on the PS3

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wagnerrp:

heard, was unimpressed, moved on

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RomioTango:

you dont think it'll have potential to operate as a FE?

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wagnerrp:

not in the least

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RomioTango:

even if they get full hw support?

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wagnerrp:

ill rephrase that, no more potential than linux on the PS3 as a FE

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orlok:

hmm

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orlok:

lunchtime

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wagnerrp:

the thing has no hardware decoders, and the CPU is a piece of junk

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RomioTango:

wagnerrp, you don't think the GPUs could be utilized?

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wagnerrp:

theres only one GPU

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wagnerrp:

and even if it could be used, all that gets you is opengl support

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RomioTango:

regardless you dont think that'd have the power?

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orlok:

if my eeepc can act as a myth box, i'd hope a PS3 could

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wagnerrp:

no

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kormoc:

no

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orlok:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

the PPU on the Cell is in-order junk just like the Atom

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RomioTango:

I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't work once they achieve full hw support

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kormoc:

%s/once/if/

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RomioTango:

yet the ATOM still works fine as a FE...

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orlok:

Getting audio via HDMI from a card

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wagnerrp:

it may run 3.2GHz, but its single core, dual execute, in-order

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kormoc:

only because of the nvidia GPU

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wagnerrp:

about as much power as an old Athlon XP

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orlok:

do i need to patch the video card into the mo0therboard's audio somehow?

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kormoc:

and that's really iffy in some of our opinions

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kormoc:

(as once you get non-vdpau supported content, you're SOL and is *HORRIBLE* for mysql)

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RomioTango:

yes but all you really need is the GPU and i'd think the ps3's GPU would be enough

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wagnerrp:

no, all you really need is a CPU to decode video

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kormoc:

RomioTango, it's not

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wagnerrp:

because the GPU on the PS3 wont do it for yo

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wagnerrp:

and the PPU on the Cell does not have enough power to even decode HD mpeg2

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kormoc:

RomioTango, you can continue to argue with us, but we're not going to change our minds

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wagnerrp:

the only thing that makes the Cell powerful are those 7 SPEs

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wagnerrp:

which are each giant vector units

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RomioTango:

I thought I've seen videos of people playing 1080p media over the media server software tho

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wagnerrp:

if you write video decoders that can run on the cell, it has plenty of power

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wagnerrp:

but after four years of linux on the PS3

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wagnerrp:

the most they have is partial MPEG2 decoding offload to the SPEs

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wagnerrp:

not full, just partial

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orlok:

hmm

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RomioTango:

yes but wasnt that due to the fact that linux was running on their VM software?

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orlok:

hmm.. shame my phone doesnt have proper USB host support

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orlok:

i'd like to see mythtv running on a phone

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RomioTango:

they've gotten FreeBSD to run directly on the hw

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wagnerrp:

no, the hypervisor only took one SPE

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wagnerrp:

in linux, you had full access to the PPE, and full access to 6 of the 7 SPEs

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Shadow__X:

i was able to atleast watch some of my recordings on my ps3 through upnp

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RomioTango:

I thought the hypervisor only allowed the OS to see one SPE

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RomioTango:

really..

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wagnerrp:

no, six of them

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wagnerrp:

the hypervisor only used one of them

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orlok:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34224 heh

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RomioTango:

hmm then yeah I'm having to agree w/ you then

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, they spent a lot of time and money writing those SPE decoders, it's well beyond just hardware support to get that working in OSS

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RomioTango:

thats depressing.. was hoping for a multipurpose FE box for the bedroom

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Shadow__X:

i am trying to use mythnetvision with hulu but, when i pull up hulu i just see a close up of the hulu logo and when i try to zoom out it does not want to

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wagnerrp:

IF people wrote decoders for the SPEs, that hardware would have plenty of power

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wagnerrp:

but considering its been over four years and they havent yet done so, its not going to happen

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wagnerrp:

and you can get a much better, smaller, lower power frontend using more traditional hardware

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wagnerrp:

so why bother

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RomioTango:

idk if they get linux to run natively on the hw it may breathe some new life into the project

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Shadow__X:

kormoc:yeah i figured because it worked pretty well iirc

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kormoc:

RomioTango, "You get one more SPE for the other 6 you never really used!"

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wagnerrp:

no, the opportunity has come, and gone

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RomioTango:

yeah that is true wagnerrp however price wise i'm looking at about the same range

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wagnerrp:

its old hardware

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** Beirdo now wants his CD Changer... *NOW* :) **

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Shadow__X:

also you cant do linux on the new ps3's

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Beirdo:

this is the problem with buying stuff online

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RomioTango:

to build an ITX box I'm looking at $270ish

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i assume you can now that it has been hacked

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wagnerrp:

RomioTango: sounds about right

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: thats what i read the first time around as well but i personally have not read about it yet on the slims

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Shadow__X:

i could just of missed the linux part though

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RomioTango:

idk..

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wagnerrp:

no, the cell was an interesting processor four years ago, now its just an old, slow chip

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wagnerrp:

the GPGPU stuff took off much faster than IBM/Sony expected

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RomioTango:

yeah I suppose you're probably right

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wagnerrp:

and the cell just isnt as interesting as high performance chip as a result

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wagnerrp:

if youre going to migrate all your code over to a new custom architecture, you may as well use CUDA or OpenCL

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Beirdo:

cuda! cuda!

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Beirdo:

goes right along with toga! toga!

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RomioTango:

I may still hold off on building an ITX box to see what happens with the PS3. Even if i can only pull SD playback it'd still give me at least some media playback for the bedroom

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RomioTango:

though after talking to you guys I'm starting to think it won't even do that.. you guys are depressing lol

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kormoc:

When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade, but because life didn't give you any sugar or water, it's just nasty lemon water in the end...

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RomioTango:

lol yeah

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Beirdo:

hehe

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RomioTango:

anyone here using mythbuntu?

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orlok:

yeah

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orlok:

well, i just installed it last night

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Beirdo:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sony_XL1B2

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Beirdo:

hah, how handy!

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RomioTango:

orlok, what version of mythtv did it come w/?

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orlok:

um i will check

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RomioTango:

orlok, and also how long ago did you install it?

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, the Cell is just another victim of Rambus

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Beirdo:

ramming busses is hard on your car

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RomioTango:

I see that their website now talks about mythtv 0.24 but I dont know if they've updated their ISO and Im going to re-install my OS tomorrow. Not sure if its worth re-downloading it

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wagnerrp:

rambus patents were the reason the GPU was never opened up for linux

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orlok:

RomioTango: last night. It actually downloads updates during the install

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wagnerrp:

rambus prices were the reason the Cell blades never took off

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orlok:

lol rambus

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orlok:

we still have some 1.4Ghz Dell's here with rambus ram

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wagnerrp:

you know, the most memory you can even get now in one of the Cell blades is 8GB

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orlok:

RomioTango: just apt-get any updates

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wagnerrp:

you can get four GPUs into a 1U case, with 4GB of memory and double the bandwidth of a Cell, each

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RomioTango:

orlok, my OS is messed up anyway so.. but what version of Mythtv do you have?

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wagnerrp:

and have them tied into an x86 server with another 32GB of DDR3

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wagnerrp:

all for about $12k

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orlok:

RomioTango: whatever came with mythbuntu 10.10, and whatever updates it installed after that

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wagnerrp:

meanwhile that dual processor Cell with 8GB of memory will run you $10k

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wagnerrp:

theyre just not compelling anymore

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orlok:

we have a few of those non-video nvidia GPU cards

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orlok:

Tesla? Telsa?

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Shadow__X:

tesla

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RomioTango:

orlok, can you take a look on the system.. I want to know if mythbuntu is forcing down 0.24 or 0.23 w/ patches

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Shadow__X:

10.10 should be .24

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orlok:

mythtv 0.23.1+fixes26437–0ubuntu1

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RomioTango:

Shadow__X, mythbuntu 10.10 is pushing 0.24 now?

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RomioTango:

orlok, thanks.. thats what I figured

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orlok:

i just did an update, the only thing thats updating is x

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Shadow__X:

iif it doesnt ship with .23 you can atleast select it in mythbuntu control center

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RomioTango:

Shadow__X, I've never seen that option

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RomioTango:

not able to remote into the box right now either though.. at the gf's

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Shadow__X:

there is that option its under autobuilds

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RomioTango:

is that during install or once its installed and running?

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Shadow__X:

once its installed mythbuntu control center is there

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orlok:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/scie . . . -oddity.html

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RomioTango:

I know that just didn't know where it was located

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RomioTango:

god my gf's internet connection blows.. i'm downloading mythbuntu 64bit and 32bit and its killing my connection, can hardly open webpages

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wagnerrp:

orlok: the science behind david bowie?

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RomioTango:

and the real kicker is that the two iso's are only downloading at <75kbs

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orlok:

wagnerrp: thats chemistry, not astronomy heh ;)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hahhahaha, nice

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orlok:

RomioTango: dont complain or else i'll start talking about the olden days, when i was downloading games they were so slow i could actually read the source code as it downloaded

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orlok:

300bps, yay.

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wagnerrp:

i was at my cousin's wedding a couple years ago, at the reception

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wagnerrp:

him and the bride were up for their first dance

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wagnerrp:

the music starts, one of my other cousins, inebriated, blurts out 'oh my got, is that major tom?!'

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wagnerrp:

s/got/dog/

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wagnerrp:

god

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wagnerrp:

bleh

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orlok:

major tom?

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orlok:

heh

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, she only had like two glasses of wine, it doesnt take much

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

apparently she was floating in a most peculiar way

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Beirdo:

families and booze... always a fun mix

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wagnerrp:

so nvidia and intel finally reach licensing agreement, still not going to see nvidia chipsets for new intel hardware

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nodecam:

Anyone here on gentoo/0.24? If so, do you have an ebuild for mythweb?

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kormoc:

Gentoo, Yes, Ebuild for mythweb, no

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nodecam:

fair enough – dunno if you got my email – the new ebuilds worked fine

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kormoc:

Snaz :)

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nodecam:

any plans for an official mythweb ebuild?

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wagnerrp:

meh

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, theres something wrong with installing web applications through a package manager

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nodecam:

it's more convenient than manually doing it

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nodecam:

for me anyway

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wagnerrp:

when you get into things like that, it seems like it should be custom installed

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nodecam:

but fair enough

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wagnerrp:

what is there to install anyway?

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wagnerrp:

copy the files to your webroot

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nodecam:

yeah, true enough

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wagnerrp:

copy the mythweb.conf to your httpd directory

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wagnerrp:

include it, and set the database user/password

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt be more than... 3 minutes

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nodecam:

I've got a...slightly more complicated...web setup

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wagnerrp:

i just dont see apache as something modular

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nodecam:

gentoo does it fairly well

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nodecam:

but I totally see your point

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wagnerrp:

never used apache under gentoo either

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nodecam:

Once I set up mythweb once, I haven't had to spend those 3 minutes since :)

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt mind seeing mythweb get consumed by a myth* executable, replacing apache

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wagnerrp:

something that /would/ make sense to install through a package manager

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nodecam:

That would be in keeping with the myth philosophy

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know how difficult it would be to write up a web server with a php interpreter, or otherwise use the CGI calls

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wagnerrp:

nor would i want to lose the several years worth of contributions from kormoc/xr is

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nodecam:

no doubt

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nodecam:

is there a mythweb tarball somewhere, or is it just bundled in with myth-plugins?

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wagnerrp:

no and no

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb

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wagnerrp:

scratch that, 0.24 is available in the mythplugins release tarball

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wagnerrp:

0.25 and forward are in their own repository, and will likely have their own tarball

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k-man:

i'm having problems with dvd's crashing the frontend

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k-man:

in .24 fixes compiled from git

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's only about 6 or 8 lines to embed php into a binary

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wagnerrp:

i mean apache is a fine web server, i just think if were making a push for ease of use/installation, it would make sense to move that into the master backend

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wagnerrp:

perhaps make it part of the core, instead of a 'plugin'

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k-man:

what should i do to get some useful debug info regarding my dvd crashing issue?

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[R]:

dvd crashing you say?

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k-man:

[R]: yes

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k-man:

[R]: not always, but often when resuming playing from a bookmark, and also sometimes when navigating or starting to play from the DVD's menus, and sometimes randomly while watching the DVD

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k-man:

it is a bought DVD in good condition

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[R]:

theres instructions on the trac how to get a backtrace

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markk:

k-man: best start would be to post the full output of mythfrontend -v playback

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k-man:

markk: ok, ill start with that and go from there

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Beirdo:

OK, time to look at unborking the envcan animaps support

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wagnerrp:

bad weather tomorrow

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Beirdo:

here too

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wagnerrp:

going to start snowing overnight, and now stop

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wagnerrp:

s/now/not/

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Beirdo:

2–12 inches by the end of the week, I heard at work

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wagnerrp:

http://hermajestysthunder.blogspot.com/2010/1 . . . calypse.html

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wagnerrp:

pity, it seems to be made out of foam

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Beirdo:

OK, so how fast should I animate these weather images? :)

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kormoc:

real time!

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Beirdo:

I put 750ms per frame at the moment

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Beirdo:

for Environment Canada images (#9467)

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Beirdo:

you think that's a reasonable animation delay?

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kormoc:

Yeah

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Beirdo:

I think I'll commit it as such, and if people want to ask for it slower...we'll see

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and I'm gonna add static map too

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Beirdo:

OK, that's fixed

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wagnerrp:

wow, someone really cranked up the bitrate for The Cape

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wagnerrp:

15GB

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Beirdo:

OK. that's a bug fixed, and some tickets closed...

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Beirdo:

seems like a good day to me

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Beirdo:

now, if our good friend Otto would get back to me...

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kormoc:

Beirdo, xris, you guys should look into https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d6e09 . . . e340a8c0d7a2

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Beirdo:

what about it?

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kormoc:

Conflicts: mythtv/libs/libmythui/mythdisplay.cpp

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kormoc:

I thought you guys said we couldn't push a conflict upstream?

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Beirdo:

that says that the file conflicted in the merge, but that is just a comment

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Beirdo:

ie. it should have been resolved before the merge commits

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Beirdo:

but it notes what conflicted

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kormoc:

so it means what exactly?

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Beirdo:

it means that Nigel changed the file and so did Mark

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Beirdo:

in the same area

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Beirdo:

let ma look again

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Beirdo:

come on, Chrome

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xris:

kormoc: git adds the "conflicts" line to the merge commit message to note any files that had conflicts but were presumably resolved.

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Beirdo:

a reasonable thing to worry about the first time you see it, for sure

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kormoc:

so it's not a conflict, it's just a indication that things were changed in the same place recently by two different people?

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Beirdo:

well, it would have triggered a conflict when Nigel merged the two mini-branches, it seems

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Beirdo:

and he resolved it

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Beirdo:

and when he did, it noted that the file conflicted during the merge

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

the cape is about anti-heroes

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wagnerrp:

everyone likes a good anti-hero

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Beirdo:

the conflict was because Mark's changes made Nigel's change have a unified diff that couldn't apply

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Beirdo:

as he changed a LOT right at the beginning of the file, right where Nigel was adding stuff :)

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Beirdo:

added a new function in the same location that Nigel was adding the new includes

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Beirdo:

very easy to resolve

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Beirdo:

and it looks like Nigel did it just fine

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Beirdo:

make sense, or am I just confusing ya? :)

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kormoc:

I just don't get why they add that if it's resolved

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Beirdo:

informational

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Beirdo:

I think you can tell it not to, but it automatically does, I guess so you can doublecheck that the conflict resolution was OK? I dunno

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kormoc:

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2011/01/brief-s . . . nd-wind.html

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kormoc:

Beirdo, looks like no real snow

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, that would probably be for the best

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Beirdo:

Seattle drivers and snow are not a good combination :)

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kormoc:

Yeah

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Beirdo:

they should all be forced to live in New Hampshire for a winter... or northern NY

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Beirdo:

that way they shut up about it being because of the hills

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kormoc:

north Michigan, it's one way to kick start their economy

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Beirdo:

the north-east ain't flat

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Beirdo:

yeah :)

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Beirdo:

spend ONE winter in a real winter, learn how to drive in snow. Thanks

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Beirdo:

Oooh, or Colorado

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, i could see that being a good thing

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wagnerrp:

the people around here get scared sh*tless the moment they see white

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

"oh no, a cocaine delivery plane blew up!"

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kormoc:

YURGANUTTA! so close to a OS X build, yet so far

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kormoc:

it's now linking issues with spdifencoder.o

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Beirdo:

you guys will get that OS X to submit soon enough

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Beirdo:

that was JYA's ummm, what's the term...

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Beirdo:

lazy-linking or somethng?

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kormoc:

Yeah, it totally broke OS X's builds

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Beirdo:

sucky

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kormoc:

http://pastebin.com/cDjx3Fac if you have any ideas

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Beirdo:

got steaks from Omaha Steaks on their way

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Beirdo:

hmm, other than sending some nasty thoughts to Australia/France (depending on where he is), dunno off hand

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Beirdo:

you need libmythavcodec or something, I think. libmythavformat perhaps?

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Beirdo:

I don't get why he did it this way

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wagnerrp:

in soviet russia, mythtv lazy-links you

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Beirdo:

it would be nice if there was a --disable-spdifencoder

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Beirdo:

I'd bet you don't even need it in OSX

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kormoc:

You certainly don't

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kormoc:

and we're using the normal makefiles, so I don't know why it's right on linux

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kormoc:

know offhand the commit where he did this?

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Beirdo:

I guess you could try #ifndef OSX or somethign :)

[07:05:10]

Beirdo:

ummm, not off hand, but let me look

[07:05:15]

kormoc:

Yeah, the search on github is worthless

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Beirdo:

might be 046ce07169a0

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wagnerrp:

when was the commit?

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Beirdo:

git log on your machine works :)

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Beirdo:

that was Dec 14

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Beirdo:

7531972fb0d0aa

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Beirdo:

Sun Dec 12

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Beirdo:

Add new SPDIFEncoder class.

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wagnerrp:

so its not a BSD-wide issue

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Beirdo:

oooh, and he needs to learn how to hit enter on commit messages

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i think the relevant define is __darwin__ or something

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Beirdo:

I guess the version of gcc may have something to do with things

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wagnerrp:

im running 4.2.something

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kormoc:

4.2.1 on OS X and 4.4.4 on linux

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Beirdo:

hmm, dunno why it would be much different

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wagnerrp:

4.2.1, dated july 2007

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Beirdo:

binutils perhaps too

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kormoc:

used both macports and OS X's, no difference

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Beirdo:

yeah, not sure what the determining issue may be

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Beirdo:

but it would be good to get that fixed.

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Beirdo:

if there's no ticket for it, one should probably end up in jya's queue

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kormoc:

Yay.... grep -r _av_write_trailer shows no matches

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Beirdo:

try without the _

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Beirdo:

that's C name mangling

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wagnerrp:

hehe... every superhero needs gull wing doors

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kormoc:

there we go

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Beirdo:

C++ name magling starts with a Z or something else odd

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

hah. an ad that's "Only good for the next 24h"

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Beirdo:

put a real date, you wonks

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Beirdo:

not that I want revitalizing face cream

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Beirdo:

heh, kormoc's been busy with the Gentoo stuff :)

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wagnerrp:

clearly the writers of this show need to watch the incredibles

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wagnerrp:

oh this cant be a good thing...

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wagnerrp:

oh come now, he built up an immunity overnight?

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kormoc:

Jesus Mark K did wonders on the skipping code

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Beirdo:

kormoc: 83e43f3cee16 seems to be the one

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Beirdo:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9468

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

seems it borks Windows too

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Beirdo:

I'm kinda inclined to accept that patch to back out the weak linking

[07:47:35]

Beirdo:

and it shows an apparent typo in libmyth.pro

[07:48:09]

Beirdo:

it seems to have -lmythavcodec twice. The second should be -lmythavcore

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wagnerrp:

"youve seen NBC's superhero, but what about cincinnati's own caped crusader?"

[07:49:11]

wagnerrp:

great.... weve got some nut running around in a mask climbing on buildings

[07:49:33]

kormoc:

We have a few, one just got his nose broke

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wagnerrp:

no swan dive onto a parked car?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I'm down for it. no need to have the non-linux builds borked for a little 'ease' of linking on linux

[07:50:32]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, nah, but a gun was pointed in his face

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I don't see why we care to remove just libmythavformat from libmyth

[07:51:27]

Beirdo:

there are others there still

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Beirdo:

One moment

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Beirdo:

done

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Beirdo:

try that :)

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kormoc:

got pass that section, yay!

[08:04:17]

Beirdo:

yay

[08:04:22]

kormoc:

now it's stuck on PrivateDecoderVDA symbols

[08:05:56]

kormoc:

looks like it's defined in libmythui/util-osx-cocoa but being used in libmyth

[08:06:47]

kormoc:

weird

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kormoc:

but it's sleepy time anyway

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Beirdo:

2010-12–19 22:41:38.178 ProgramInfo(mad.men.s04e11.720p.hdtv.x264-ctu.mkv), Error: GetPlaybackURL: 'mad.men.s04e11.720p.hdtv.x264-ctu.mkv' should be local, but it can not be found.

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Beirdo:

haha

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Beirdo:

nice way to tell people you are a pirate.

[08:08:09]

wagnerrp:

whereis that from?

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Beirdo:

backend log in #9274

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wagnerrp:

why would you pirate the emmy awards?

[08:10:22]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[08:10:26]

wagnerrp:

seriously

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Beirdo:

I was wondering that too

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kormoc:

Happy 1/11/11 folks!

[08:10:47]

Beirdo:

nice one, kormoc :)

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wagnerrp:

i mean besides the fact that its a rewards show for an industry you have absolutely no vested interest in

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Beirdo:

and in an hour or so... 01:10

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wagnerrp:

he clearly has a tuner

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wagnerrp:

so why didnt he just record it

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Beirdo:

yeah, and it crapped on him

[08:11:34]

Beirdo:

I think his tuner has issues

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wagnerrp:

just think... right now, somewhere in the middle east

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wagnerrp:

its 1/11/11 11:11

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Beirdo:

who owns the ringbuffer code these days?

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wagnerrp:

saudia arabia, iraw, western russia, eastern africa

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Beirdo:

The Saudis own a lot, but I don't think they own the RingBuffer code... yet.

[08:15:01]

Beirdo:

markk does. OK, that makes sense :)

[08:18:05]

markk:

?

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Beirdo:

sorry, didn't mean to ping you. Was just looking at a ticket related to it

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Beirdo:

it needed an appropriate owner

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markk:

probably needs to be danielk

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Beirdo:

Oh. I just sent it your way, but I could re-assign it easily enough. It's an unlocking issue causing errors it seems

[08:21:16]

Beirdo:

can someone look at #9422 and make sure... I think that should be closed wontfix

[08:21:21]

Beirdo:

or invalid

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kormoc:

markk, I heard rumors that you were the one to improve the skipping code lately. It's so snappy now. Thanks much!

[08:21:53]

Beirdo:

markk: it was #9431 if you wanted to take a look, but I'll punt it over to danielk

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markk:

kormoc: thanks – getting there slowly but surely:)

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markk:

Beirdo: #9422 looks like a packaging issue

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Beirdo:

great work as always. :)

[08:28:53]

Beirdo:

yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.

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Beirdo:

he's using something prebuilt, and doesn't have the libs

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Beirdo:

oooh, nice

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Beirdo:

#9427 is a case of not null-checking

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: gave you #9409 as it seems to be closely related to the jobqueue stuff

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wagnerrp:

i think the jobqueue stuff is ways off still

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Beirdo:

yeah well :) feel free to lob it at someone else if ya want

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Beirdo:

there's a bunch of tickets that still need owners there, BTW

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

i know enough of my way around mythtranscode to commit it at least

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Beirdo:

yeah, I figured that I didn't want to go commit it if it would make your work harder, so you'd be a good person to look it over, etc

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wagnerrp:

nah, by the time i get around to it, ill br scrapping large chunks of stuff

[09:00:04]

wagnerrp:

so adding this for now would make no difference

[09:00:46]

wagnerrp:

just something that would end up being re-implemented later

[09:01:09]

wagnerrp:

when the jobqueue management gets moved to mythproto

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Beirdo:

right

[09:01:30]

wagnerrp:

instead of everything tinkering around in the database

[09:02:16]

Beirdo:

but... tinkering is fun!

[09:02:31]

wagnerrp:

tinkering means i have an inconsistent state

[09:02:38]

Beirdo:

until it burns ya

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wagnerrp:

and need to go looking up things and doing checking

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

no, i see any of these rewrites were doing as work towards an internalized database

[09:06:22]

wagnerrp:

i would like to see mythproto expanded with the recordedinfo stuff to start to move database calls out of the frontend

[09:07:04]

Beirdo:

yeah, makes sense

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wagnerrp:

i mena its going to break everyone's existing tinkering

[09:07:44]

wagnerrp:

may as well make it a good cutpoint

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Beirdo:

hehe

[09:19:09]

Beirdo:

I should go to bed

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: brief look, it probably needs to check for an existing task

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Beirdo:

heh, that wouldn't surprise me

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember if the QueueJob call does that automatically or not

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Beirdo:

OK, found my firewire/USB card

[09:29:46]

Beirdo:

hope it survived the move

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Beirdo:

if not, I'll get another from amazon :)

[09:30:46]

Beirdo:

if I want to use it on the dev box

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Beirdo:

which I kinda have to

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Beirdo:

heh

[09:32:11]

Beirdo:

the frontend and backend have no slots, and no firewire

[09:33:36]

Beirdo:

this one has been exposed to a bit too much salt-water air

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hashbang:

heyasa

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dingus:

hey i have a question about MythArchive, specificly im wondering why it is that it cant work from remote back ends, where is the difficalty in copying the backend data to the frontend?

[10:55:08]

dingus:

also wondering why it is it reports that some local files will be over 5000Tb on disk

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hashbang:

dingus: do you mean remote front ends, or do you have multiple back ends?

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dingus:

remote frontends it just confuses me why we need to mount the remote data, obviously with simplicity of things like RemoteFile.cpp copying the files locally would not be a huge issue, is that a planed for the future?

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hashbang:

dingus: well, MythArchive is kinda separate from the rest of MythTV in that it's mostly a Python script

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hashbang:

dingus: (I'm not the MythArchive maintainer, but I've done some fairly extensive hacking on it in the past)

[11:06:06]

dingus:

fair enough, well im just haveing a play with the source atm, looking at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/v0.25pr . . . selector.cpp and plugging in a call on the ok button to retreave the movies and store them locally

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dingus:

would this be somthing i would be better floating in the developers room?

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hashbang:

dingus: sounds like a cunning kludge! :-)

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hashbang:

dingus: on the mythtv-dev list, I should imagine.

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redwizard_kde:

meh i'm getting 66% signal and still not getting any more channels :(

[11:10:02]

** redwizard_kde might need to run a cable down to the wall socket in the front room :( **

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dingus:

hashbang, personally i see it as a logical approache to the issue

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dingus:

well anyone who might be able to help me haveing an issue with SG and iso files

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hashbang:

dingus: it would make burning a two-step process if the files aren't already local to the machine burning. Ideally, MythArchive would detect if the files are local or not, and copy them to a local cache if they aren't.

[11:21:15]

hashbang:

dingus: but I'm bikeshedding really.

[11:22:24]

dingus:

hashbang: well thats also a simple enough process to cheack the local file

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dingus:

they could be moved to the existing mytharchive temp cache, which should get cleared anyway

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doc_dingus:

stupid computer

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dingus:

bloody wifi drops all the time

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redwizard_kde:

this is why i run cables thru the house from my router to my work machines

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redwizard_kde:

i dont like drop outs :P

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peerlybolt:

hi

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peerlybolt:

I need some advice, I want to find out if mythtv van do what I want it to do

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peerlybolt:

I have sat tv at home that works through a store bought decoder

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peerlybolt:

I want to be able to turn that decoder into a pvr via my pc+mythtv

[11:50:13]

peerlybolt:

I was thinking of getting a tv tuner card that can take composite-in

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peerlybolt:

coz that is what my decoder uses as outputs

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peerlybolt:

and then user mythtv to record the output of that on my pc

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peerlybolt:

is it possible?

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russell5:

mythtv can record from composite-in if you have a compatible card

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peerlybolt:

cool

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peerlybolt:

where can I read up on compatible cards?

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peerlybolt:

specifically for composite in

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peerlybolt:

I see the gigabyte U8300 has composite in and its usb

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peerlybolt:

do you think it would be supported

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dingus:

peerlybolt: i have had nothing but issues with usb capture cards

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peerlybolt:

really?

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peerlybolt:

darn, I have a mini-ITX build going

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peerlybolt:

and I already use my only pci-e slot

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peerlybolt:

with a Hd5770

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peerlybolt:

I can take it out but I was hoping to be able to play games on my HTPC as well

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peerlybolt:

but I think that is unrealistic

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peerlybolt:

already have problems finding smallish cases that can host a full PSU

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dingus:

im not saying you cant make it work

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dingus:

im jus saying it wil require more work

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peerlybolt:

ok

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balor_:

Is it possible to jump from the Recording EPG directly to the live TV? i.e. I like to use the recording EPG as my channel browser

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tank-man:

balor_, why not just goto livetv and use the guide

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balor_:

tank-man: I did in the end. I'd just like to enter liveTV through the EPG

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balor_:

not, liveTV -> M -> Programme -> EPG

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tank-man:

livetv -> S

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balor_:

ah

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stanman:

hi in here, i've been looking around for a way to record tv shows, just like a good old video. Am running ubu 9.10 64bit desktop. like to get some advice on cards and installation. It seems our "Ziggo" (dutch) provides dvb-c, where should i start?

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hashbang:

stanman: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ziggo+dvb-c+site%3Amythtv.org ?

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hashbang:

stanman: I've done well with Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T cards in the UK, but I haven't had CAM stuff to deal with.

[15:58:46]

stanman:

hashbang: thanks for the pointer! I really want to record some NHL games and watch them some other time, so i can sleep enough...

[15:59:36]

hashbang:

stanman: seems like you're not alone, at least. If you trawl through the bug reports and mailing list posts, you might get some ideas as to what stuff works, and what doesn't.

[16:00:04]

hashbang:

stanman: I think getting the CAM stuff sorted will be the most difficult part as it's closely related to piracy, which is verboten.

[16:00:22]

stanman:

hmm... i'm kinda new to linux, so i hope I can get it working...

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iamlindoro:

Hardware CAMs are fine and acceptable discussion

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stanman:

we have a smartcard, so i'll be needing a reader as well

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iamlindoro:

we just don't allow discussion of software cam

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: ah, OK. Thanks for the correction.

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

We're not crazy, just strict :)

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stanman:

lol

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: it's understandable, given how crazy the content companies are. :-)

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stanman:

i'm not into getting piracy content, just want to be able to view the content in daytime ;)

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hashbang:

stanman: there are some corner cases wrt to CAMs, though – e.g. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9406. Apparently that user's use case is not illegal in .nl, but it violates MythTV policy on talking about softCAMs.

[16:06:17]

hashbang:

stanman: I'd start by finding some suitable hardware, then having a look at the CAM stuff and see if you think you can deal with it. It's always looked completely byzantine to me (both HW and softCAM), but then I've never had satellite or cable TV, and never had any involvement in sat/cable piracy.

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stanman:

ok

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stanman:

but trying to find out the 'best' hw card already is a tedious job

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hashbang:

stanman: that bug report talks about using TT-budget DVB-C cards, if that helps.

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stanman:

is it possible to 'save' from an external settop box?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

You can directly record off of one, though

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iamlindoro:

ie, you can run the analog outputs of the set top box into a capture device and capture in real time

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stanman:

that would mean sitting next to it?

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iamlindoro:

?

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stanman:

as in: capturing in real time, would i need to manually press the button?

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sphery:

LIRC!

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iamlindoro:

No, you would have an ir blaster control the set top box

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stanman:

?

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sphery:

http://lirc.org/

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stanman:

hmm.. now i'm at a loss...

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stanman:

maybe a hdd recorderd would be more easy, i begin to think

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sphery:

stanman: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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iamlindoro:

stanman: You configure a capture device and an ir emitter, and the backend controls the set top box to change channels, begin recordings, etc.

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sphery:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cabl . . . ut_Recording being the configuration mentioned

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sphery:

"Dual IR blasters or other means are also necessary to watch/record two channels at once." ... wouldn't that only be the case if using IR transmitters that are /not/ IR blasters and/or using STBs that don't permit specifying different remote codes?

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sphery:

wow, that page needs some updating...

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sphery:

hd-pvr is supported now (not "when"0

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stanman:

would this be an option? Terratec Cinergy C PCI HD

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

we dont support tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

we support tuner APIs

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wagnerrp:

any card that exposes itself through the linux DVB API should be usable by mythtv

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stanman:

too newbie for API... what's that?

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wagnerrp:

application programming interface

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wagnerrp:

you know what direct x is?

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wagnerrp:

basically, an API is a standardized list of functions and methods for use accessing a type of device

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is designed to use that standardized list

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wagnerrp:

and the hardware drivers are designed to provide access through that standardized list

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wagnerrp:

its a mechanism to provide intercompatibility

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clgshaft:

Hey guys, I almost have my system complete, I am using fedora 14 64 bit. I am getting error -1 on a hvr 1600, failed to initialize. There is a vmalloc fix for 32 bit, it does not work for 64 bit. What can I do to get the card to load?

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wagnerrp:

the vmalloc fix isnt needed for 64-bit

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wagnerrp:

since the allocated memory is already at 1GB by default

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clgshaft:

Ok

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clgshaft:

So am I using more than 1gb on my system? Nvidia 430gt, hvr 2250, 950q, hvr 1600

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wagnerrp:

youre using however much the kernel wants to use

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wagnerrp:

but its allowed to use up to 1GB by default

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clgshaft:

And I want ti add another 1600

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clgshaft:

Any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

animal sacrifice?

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clgshaft:

Lol

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clgshaft:

Ok I will keep searching for a fix, thanks

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sphery:

clgshaft: blacklist nvidiafb

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sphery:

or keep looking...

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sphery:

heh

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ikevin:

hi

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ikevin:

while i connect the myth android version on my backend i get this: UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap – no VideoStartupDir set, skipping scan.

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ikevin:

anyone know what is it?

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wagnerrp:

it means you have not configured the upnp server to find non-recorded video content on your backend

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wagnerrp:

and has nothing to do with mythdroid

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wagnerrp:

but rather its an automated scan that occurs every 30 minutes

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ruskie:

hmm would anyone recommend the sony ps3 remote control for controlling mythtv? or have any better alternatives?(basically want something not IR)...

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ikevin:

ok, i've never view this message in the past

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** Beirdo head-desks **

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wagnerrp:

careful there, that desk is expensive

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ruskie:

:)

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

Otto's bug just will not die

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Beirdo:

it's a frigging cockroach... keep hitting it, and it's still skittering around

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waza-ari:

Hey all, i'd like to buy a remote control for my pc running mythtv. Which one is best supported by ubuntu / mythtv? Any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

waza-ari: mythtv uses IR through LIRC

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wagnerrp:

so anything well supported by lirc is fine

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waza-ari:

wagnerrp: i dont know that much about lirc... any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

usually the MCEUSB units are a good choice

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waza-ari:

sorry... mceusb?

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wagnerrp:

windows media center

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waza-ari:

aaah... all right :)

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waza-ari:

Okay, then i will have a look around

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waza-ari:

thank you

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J-e-f-f-A:

waza-ari: to help in your search, look for "MCE RC6" ;-) Typically weeds out most of the 'crap'...

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waza-ari:

J-e-f-f-A, thanks for your advice. I found this one, dont know if anyone of you speaks german, but if you do, could you please have a look at it?

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waza-ari:

http://www.amazon.de/Infrarot-Fernbedienung-f . . . 5&sr=8-4

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J-e-f-f-A:

waza-ari: That looks like one of the very poor 'clone' remotes – you want a 'real' microsoft remote – similar to these: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p . . . l-Categories

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J-e-f-f-A:

waza-ari: I'll see if I can find one for ya. ;-)

[19:35:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

waza-ari: Like this one – but I think that says "no longer available" ;-) but will get you looking at the 'right' kind... http://www.amazon.de/Windows-Center-Infrarot- . . . sr=1-3-fkmr1

[19:36:36]

waza-ari:

Yes, this one is not available anymore :) But thanks for the hint, i guess i'll find one similar to this one :)

[19:36:58]

waza-ari:

But... Whats the difference between the clone crap and the real microsoft ones?

[19:38:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

The genuine MS ones are basically plug&play, with minimal configuration. The 'clones' would still work, but would require you to learn all the keys yourself – quite tedious. (unless you get lucky and find a config of someone that did it already)

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waza-ari:

Okay, maybe then i will pay the additional 10 euros instead of spending loads of hours configuring the rc...

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J-e-f-f-A:

waza-ari: Here's a link to the wiki page about the MSMCE remote – i have 3 of the 3rd one on the table. ;-) http://mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

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J-e-f-f-A:

waza-ari: Make sure you get one with the IR receiver too... Not just the remote. ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A just noticed that his HP MCE remotes aren't shown on that page... ;-) He'll have to update the wiki with a pic and the info later. ;-) **

[19:43:21]

waza-ari:

Yeah, that would be usefull, i guess :) Okay, then i'll have a look around.

[19:43:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

waza-ari: Oh, and most of the MCE remotes have backlit buttons too, which is a nice 'plus'. – And the Receiver has IR 'blaster' outputs too if you need a blaster.

[19:44:37]

waza-ari:

Okay.... dunno what you mean with "blaster", but never mind... just need it to remote control my mediapc :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

waza-ari: If you had set-top boxes that you needed to change channels on with MythTV... But being in Germany you probably don't need STB's like [most of us] do here in the US... :-(

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waza-ari:

No, we dont need that here...

[19:49:36]

wagnerrp:

(yet)

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BLZbubba:

is mythtv able to handle bluray movies yet?

[19:50:45]

wagnerrp:

from what i gather, CI+ is a full DRM scheme, as opposed to CI which is just a conditional access system

[19:50:49]

wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: yes

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BLZbubba:

cool, will any drive work or are there copy protection issues? e.g. do i need a ps3

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can read any disks that use AACS if you have a properly populated key file

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wagnerrp:

as in, the 3rd party library we use for decoding cannot crack anything, it merely uses decryption keys from a key file you provide

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wagnerrp:

its an implementation of the encryption scheme, rather than a breaking of it

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: any idea where they could have gotten the idea about lirc/irexec?

[20:03:32]

wagnerrp:

they misunderstand something about the X event stuff?

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Beirdo:

beer?

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wagnerrp:

so how much you got on the ground?

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Beirdo:

?

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wagnerrp:

snow

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Beirdo:

ohhh. none

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Beirdo:

false alarm, it seems

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wagnerrp:

hasnt started yet?

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Shadow__X:

where is the soft recording limit

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

soft limit?

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wagnerrp:

you mean the automatic cutting when there is no guide data?

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Shadow__X:

i dont think so

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wagnerrp:

im not familiar with that term

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean by soft recording limit

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Shadow__X:

the end time on a per recording schedule you referred to as the hard limit unless i am not remembering it correctly

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wagnerrp:

there is hard padding and soft padding

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Shadow__X:

ah sorry about that

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wagnerrp:

hard padding is per-schedule, and adds in increments of minutes

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sphery:

but we shouldn't call it a soft padding as that implies something that it's not

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** Beirdo installs flashblock **

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sphery:

there's a capture card startup time

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wagnerrp:

it will not record if there is an overlap with the hard padding

[20:28:03]

sphery:

and a per-recording-rule start early/end late

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Shadow__X:

where is the global padding

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Beirdo:

I should do that on my poor little netbook at home, that would likely make it a lot more useful

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sphery:

there is no global padding

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought the global soft padding added seconds on if the tuner was available to do so

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sphery:

there is only a capture card startup/shutdown time

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sphery:

no, it is only used for the first and last recording in a series of consecutive recordings on a tuner

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wagnerrp:

no clue what that would be used for

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sphery:

don't know if it is applied on virtual tuners--which seem to have been (mistakenly?) implemented as virtual cards, too

[20:30:39]

sphery:

yeah, it's pretty much useless

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sphery:

but it's a placebo for many

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Shadow__X:

ok so is there a setting that allows recordings to go over a minute or two aslong as there is not a recording right that?

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wagnerrp:

apparently not

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wagnerrp:

there was a script that would attempt to automatically extend recordings for certain types of shows

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wagnerrp:

but that was done externally

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Shadow__X:

ok then ill just stick to editing the shows manually

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sphery:

you can set Time to record before start/past end of show (in seconds), but it will often not be applied

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sphery:

you /should/ just have sufficient tuners to allow setting per-rule start early/end late where appropriate

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sphery:

(and for per-rule, virtual tuners will definitely help)

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Shadow__X:

yeah i am in need of adding tuners

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Shadow__X:

aslong as i can use it with mythtv that hdhr prime is in my sights

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wagnerrp:

note that the HDHRP cannot use virtual tuners

[20:34:03]

Shadow__X:

what really gets me honestly is that most of these shows only go over a minute or so and are not live broadcasts

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wagnerrp:

of course

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wagnerrp:

for all you know, they could be doing that intentionally

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wagnerrp:

to screw up DVRs

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: does that mean you would not be able to record more than one show at a time

[20:34:55]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: no, that means you can only record three things at a time

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sphery:

Shadow__X: are they properly listed as airing 'til 9:31 or whatever?

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wagnerrp:

the HDHRP is three independent tuners with a shared M-Card

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Shadow__X:

sphery: no, they are not

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sphery:

Shadow__X: or is this a problem with your cable company's receiving/re-encoding/broadcasting delaying the airing

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Shadow__X:

ok sorry than i am not sure what you meant about the virtual tuners then

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sphery:

so the recordings likely start 1 minute early, too, right?

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wagnerrp:

when acting in clear mode, you can use virtual tuners, to simultaneously record multiple shows on each virtual tuner

[20:36:06]

wagnerrp:

when acting in cablecard mode, you are limited to one recording at a time per physical tuner

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Shadow__X:

sphery: nope it starts at 0:02 which is on time to me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: interesting discussion (and refusal to change the status quo) of Time to record ... of show (in seconds) at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/151647#151647

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh so you can access the virtual tuners as they are qam tuners. Allowing you to record multiple shows on the same freq?

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** awalls uses virtual tuners for PiP on a machine with only one digital tuner **

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sphery:

Shadow__X: and you're sure it's going over time? and not just the fact that the recording stops something like 6s before the end time when the tuner is needed for another recording?

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Shadow__X:

sphery: for this specific show modern marvels the recording is only 59:53 so this one it seems it just stopped recording a few secounds before

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sphery:

Shadow__X: yeah, it has to stop early because it has to start tuning early to allow it to catch the proper start of the next show (or the alternative is to stop on time and miss the start of the next show)

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sphery:

Shadow__X: thus my comment about the proper solution being sufficient tuners :)

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Shadow__X:

sphery: oh ok. That makes sense thanks.

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sphery:

not necessarily a financially-friendly solution, though

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Shadow__X:

sphery: well when i can get a hdhrp thats ok

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sphery:

Shadow__X: though by studying the schedule, you can often find a way to make a 1min end late work properly on some "important" recording rules

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sphery:

and still fit with your existing tuners

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Shadow__X:

normally its shows that has reruns so that for the most part works out but for some shows like its always sunny fx likes to end is about 2 minutes late

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sphery:

yeah, that may be getting into the "network's devious plans" idea wagnerrp mentioned

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kormoc:

hdhrp? The pro version won't give you anything the main version doesn't on normal usage

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Shadow__X:

hdhr prime

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wagnerrp:

also, dont get the impression that the HDHRP is going to allow you to record all your pay per view and even provide happy endings

[20:45:30]

Shadow__X:

yup i know

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wagnerrp:

you are still restricted to whatever your cable company decides to mark as copy freely

[20:45:49]

Shadow__X:

from what i have been told it should be about the same as what i get over firewire

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sphery:

wagnerrp / kormoc : perhaps HDHR'\

[20:47:34]

sphery:

er, without the backslash

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sphery:

stupid enter key

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Shadow__X:

HDHR'P?

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wagnerrp:

what is the 'hdhomerun pro'?

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sphery:

but ' is prime in math

[20:48:22]

Shadow__X:

oh ok

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Shadow__X:

i see now

[20:48:27]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_%28symbol%29

[20:49:03]

sphery:

also scales for their future double prime and triple prime systems (though I have no clue how to type a triple prime)

[20:49:04]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, whoops, I was thinking tech

[20:49:43]

wagnerrp:

'''

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sphery:

that would work

[20:50:24]

wagnerrp:

hey wow, theres really a character for that

[20:50:30]

wagnerrp:

â€´

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Shadow__X:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Calculus/Higher_Order_Derivatives

[20:53:26]

sphery:

so, someone should tell mark Daneen about: http://www.reghardware.com/2011/01/11/sony_playstation_play_tv/ , and maybe he can tell Sony how their software is obviously not an app

[20:55:03]

sphery:

wow, skimming back over his posts actually made me even angrier than when I first read them

[20:56:07]

sphery:

First time I pretty much quit reading/caring before I got to his calling us dishonest... Lost interest when he called us incompetent.

[20:57:54]

sphery:

New slogan time? MythTV: TV for people smarter than you.

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Shadow__X:

+1

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sphery:

then people would be more likely to take on the onus of actually learning it rather than cop to being too stupid to use it

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Wicked:

hmm. i had been curious about the hdhr prime...it uses cablecards....so wouldnt a cablecard device be able to record what a tivo would? as a tivo uses cablecards?

[20:59:11]

wagnerrp:

Wicked: not exactly

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wagnerrp:

a tivo is a licensed device, meaning it can access any content marked copy once or copy freely

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sphery:

or never copy, too

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Wicked:

i know there are flag things that the cable co can set...like dont record...or record once

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sphery:

where never copy is implemented such that it's a rolling 90-min window

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wagnerrp:

however on a tivo, only that content marked copy freely can be exported to an insecure source

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats how it works?

[21:00:05]

sphery:

last I heard

[21:00:12]

wagnerrp:

i was wondering if they were limited to live playback only

[21:00:19]

sphery:

that may be, too

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Wicked:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: anyway, mythtv is an insecure device, so the HDHRP and other cablecard tuners will only allow us access to the copy freely content

[21:01:20]

Wicked:

yea. so the cablecard device can tell if there is a safe path from cable co to tv?

[21:01:25]

sphery:

wagnerrp: http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/243

[21:01:26]

Wicked:

ie drm

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sphery:

0x03 – Copy Never – the content can be recorded and viewed for 90 minutes after transmission, and is not transferrable. Content disappears from the Now Playing list after 90 minutes.

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: correct

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sphery:

for the digital one

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sphery:

analog copy never can't be recorded

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Wicked:

so copy never can still be recorded...but self desctructs in 90 mins?

[21:02:11]

wagnerrp:

analog copy never?

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wagnerrp:

didnt know there was such a thing

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Wicked:

*destruct

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sphery:

macrovision

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: on the tivo, correct

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Shadow__X:

i have to run scte scan with 3 different frequencies. would running it 3 times each with a different frequency then telling it to update the existing source

[21:02:44]

wagnerrp:

sphery: macrovision only worked because law required it to work

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Shadow__X:

save all the new chanels

[21:03:03]

sphery:

yeah, but tivo had to obey said laws :)

[21:03:09]

wagnerrp:

retarded laws

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Wicked:

ah...stupid question...but ive never used a tivo. its capable of recording things off premium channels like hbo? or are hbo and those kinda channels protected?

[21:03:25]

Wicked:

or are they the never copy channels

[21:03:32]

wagnerrp:

Wicked: likely anything premium will be copy never

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sphery:

Wicked: likely copy-never, so 90min

[21:03:50]

Wicked:

makes sense(from the cable cos' point of view)

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wagnerrp:

but at least on comcast, it seems anything not-premium is copy freely

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: for the most part

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: why would you allow recording of content when they can sell it to you on the HBO/Showtime VOD channels

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Wicked:

so if what you said it true wagnerrp someone on comcast could use a cable card with mythtv and record most non premium content?

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sphery:

according to rumors

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: thats the word from the silicondust people

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sphery:

YMMV

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Wicked:

oh

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wagnerrp:

who are using it in the bay area on comcast

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wagnerrp:

so... it may just be limited to the comcast franchise in the bay area

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Wicked:

well...i tried firewire capture a while ago on comcast...and it was less then acciptible. basically only the fta channels.

[21:05:46]

Wicked:

i would have loved to be able to capture things like discovery channel

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Wicked:

comedy central

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wagnerrp:

as i understand it, firewire content protection, and the flagging used for cablecard, is independent

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Wicked:

well i had briefly read that with the hdhrp you would get the same channels as you might get with firewire

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wagnerrp:

unconfirmed speculation, but reasonable

[21:06:56]

Wicked:

man. i hate cable co's

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Wicked:

they are so unfair

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Wicked:

and yet we give them so much money lol

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Wicked:

i mean throw us a bone every once in a while!

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wagnerrp:

considering tivo users are restricted in trying to access content remotely

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt be surprised cablecos relax that stuff

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Shadow__X:

i record comedy central science history and the like off of firewire but its very ymmv

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Wicked:

lol i just tried to goto bing.com in chrome....chrome wont load the page saying to many redirects

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Wicked:

nothing like a little friendly competition!

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JEDIDIAH__:

if it is copy never then it has limited usefulness to even Tivo users. YMMV

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wagnerrp:

yeah, rolling 90 minute window apparently

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wagnerrp:

enough for pause/rewind

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wagnerrp:

but not record for later playback

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Wicked:

yea. i only really record shows and watch then hours or days later. Normally only watch tv at the very end of the day right before bed time.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I figure a good PVR should allow for viewing of recordings at least 2 weeks after they were recorded.

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: honestly, im several months behind on several shows

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sphery:

Wicked: funny... Bing loads for me in Namoroka 3.6.4 (basically Firefox 3.6.4--and, yeah, I know I'm a bit behind), but xboxlive.com gives me the "isn't redirecting properly" error.

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sphery:

and even funnier, http://www.xbox.com/live/ gives me "Server Error in '/' Application."

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sphery:

must be the new "standards-compliant" MS that loves HTML5

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Shadow__X:

bing works for me in chrome

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Shadow__X:

as does xbox.com/live

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rhpot1991:

sphery: xbox.com/live never works as is

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sphery:

I should update to 3.6.8 and see if it works

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Shadow__X:

3.6.10 here

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rhpot1991:

trying to cancel on there is some 18 step process that eventually just tells you to call in anyways in the end

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sphery:

oh, 3.6.10, then... even my recollection of current is a bit behind :)

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sphery:

wow, 3.6.13... I'm way behind

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sphery:

don't know where xbox.com/live came from, but it was in my history

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Shadow__X:

i am behind as well

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sphery:

maybe it requires data from a redirecting site (and/or may be only a waypoint to the real one?)

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Wicked:

im running chrome-dev and i think something wonky was going on.

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Wicked:

a few things where acting funny last couple days. i just updated it and cleared all the cache. gonna see if it helped

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sphery:

hmmm... microsoft.com/xbox sends me to http://www.xbox.com/en-us/games , which gives the same server error (complete with instructions for how to configure the server to allow remote users to see the real error information)

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Shadow__X:

sphery: when i put that in it says please visit us at xbox.com/games then it sends me to marketplace.xbox.com

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Shadow__X:

and it works on both chrome and FF

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Shadow__X:

i am using os x 10.6.6 if that makes a difference

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sphery:

hmmm... http://marketplace.xbox.com/ gives "Uh oh... that shouldn't have happened"

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sphery:

trying to clear all xbox/ms cookies

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sphery:

heh, now it works

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sphery:

they upgraded their site software but didn't take into account users with old cookies

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Shadow__X:

:)

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sphery:

interesting... glad I got it fixed

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sphery:

was annoying having to type in a 25-character code using the controller last time

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jesse`:

Hey ho. DirecTV has recently made minor changes to the lineup, but "mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates" doesn't seem to be updating my database properly.

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jesse`:

For instance, G4 was dropped recently, but is still showing in the channel database.

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sphery:

jesse`: mythfilldatabase will never remove a channel from your mythtv database

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jesse`:

No?

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sphery:

jesse`: you need to go to mythtv-setup and manually delete it

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sphery:

and --do-channel-updates only works if you're using analog capture (i.e. PVR-150 or HD-PVR) or "unscannable" digital (i.e. firewire)

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jesse`:

sphery: Maybe the best thing is to start the channel table afresh. How would I do that?

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sphery:

to start the channel table fresh, do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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jesse`:

I'll give that a try. Can I run mythtv-setup remotely?

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sphery:

and, IMHO, that's both the easiest and safest approach for fixing channels after a shuffle

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sphery:

you can if you use X forwarding or VNC

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sphery:

ssh -Y backendhostname

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jesse`:

Nah, too slow. I guess I'll get off my but and walk into the other room.

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sphery:

then: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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jesse`:

What's "-Y" for ssh?

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jesse`:

Ah, never mind.

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sphery:

says to enable X forwarding

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jesse`:

I have man. Don't know why I asked.

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sphery:

it's like -X but says you can use copy/paste/clipboard, etc.

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jesse`:

Oh, that's nice.

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jesse`:

Well, I'll run give it a try.

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sphery:

yeah, but some people will see the word "trusted" and then tell you it's insecure

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sphery:

but if you have rogue keyloggers running on your MythTV backend host, you have more serious things to worry about than whether to use -X or -Y :)

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sphery:

Shadow__X / Wicked: thanks for the help with my one browser issue... and apologies to all for the OT :)

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sphery:

Nice... github got a new 404

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sphery:

https://github.com/droids

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sphery:

and it's "interactive"

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ikevin:

while i try to view a liveTV channel from FREEBOX source video/audio are very long to come (~7 8 secondes), i've a way to increase this delay?

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nordle:

evening all. day 4 of setting up myth 0.24 and nearly there :) When I select Media Library --> Watch Videos, I see no vids. Got 130GB of nuv's and mpg's. In the old myth I used to manually tell the system to search for new vids. Can't see where to do that in this, and from my googling, it looks automatic now. Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

'm' --> 'scan for videos'

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nordle:

wagnerrp: :) Nice touch, I see 'm' is different for each screen. I really must config the m button onto remote.....need more buttons... cheers.

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wagnerrp:

you should already have a button bound to 'm' for other purposes

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nordle:

wagnerrp: To be honest, I've struggled to setup this 4 yr old iMON PAD with the new mythbuntu 10.10. Mainly, I think, down to the incorporation of the modules into the kernel. The button names have all changed and the functionality is not as good with the mouse/keyboard input devices now used. I copied over my old lirc and needless to say had to start again.

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nordle:

When changing volume in videos and LiveTV the OSD stays on screen for 4 seconds. But as far as I can see the settings are 1 second. eg OSDGeneralTimeout, OSDNotifyTimeout and OSDProgramInfoTimeout are all 1 second. Not a biggy, but is it just me?

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sphery:

nordle: there are no settings for that... there are 3 defined times, short (3s), medium (5s), and long (10s)

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** sphery assumes someone is "reading" settings from the DB and not actually looking at code **

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sphery:

thus the validity of the whole, "Don't edit/read the DB directly" argument

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nordle:

sphery is spot on. But when I didn't find it in the menu, then didnt find it googling, its the next place to look.

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sphery:

nordle: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/467552#467552

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