Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, December 31st, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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antgel:

right, well lircd's up, now just need to read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC and see why my frontend won't respond

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antgel:

to IR button-pushes

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CLGSHAFT:

hey guys

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russell5:

is there a way to copy channels from one source to another without rescanning?

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CLGSHAFT:

i need help getting hdmi audio working on my geforce 430 gt

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wagnerrp:

russell5: there should be no reason to copy channels from one source to another

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antgel:

yes! there was a comment in hardware.conf that seems to be untrue – DEVICE="/dev/lirc0" works for me \o/

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trumee:

is it possible to set up a cron job to refresh videos in MythVideo?

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wagnerrp:

russell5: either you have digital channels, in which case you have no choice but to rescan to add them

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russell5:

well i want my two digital tuners on my 2250 to have the same channel list but be able to record at the same time (so i put then in difirent input groups)

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antgel:

now for this fricking VFD display / lcdproc

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wagnerrp:

or you have analog channels, and you should be pulling a lineup from your schedules direct account

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wagnerrp:

russell5: the 2250 does not have independent digital inputs

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wagnerrp:

both tuners run off the same RF input

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wagnerrp:

you cannot possibly be using two different sources on a single 2250

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trumee:

wagnerrp: hey, you have written a script for that, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4oB28ksiIo

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trumee:

oops

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trumee:

wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_video_scan.py

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russell5:

so if they are pointing to the same input channels group they will be able to still record at the same time?

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trumee:

that is very good youtube video if anybody cares to watch :)

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wagnerrp:

input groups and video sources are two completely different things

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wagnerrp:

input groups define two inputs that are mutually exclusive

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wagnerrp:

meaning only one or the other can be used at a time

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wagnerrp:

video sources are a named source containing a channel lineup and EPG grabber configuration

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wagnerrp:

both inputs on your 2250 should be bound to the same video source

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russell5:

ahhh ok i think i got it. so i can point more than one input group to the same source

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wagnerrp:

input groups dont get bound to a source

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wagnerrp:

card inputs get bound to a source

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** antgel shudders at the thought of updating his freesat channels **

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wagnerrp:

card inputs are optionally put into an input group

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russell5:

ahhh ok

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russell5:

thanks i get it now

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trumee:

wagnerrp: thanks for that script.

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wagnerrp:

the script doesnt do much, its all in the bindingsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

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wagnerrp:

gah...

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trumee:

wagnerrp: it does what i want to do, ie setup a cronjob :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: did you spill coke on your 's' key? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

no, im using xpra over the network

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wagnerrp:

if i press a key, and my wireless network drops

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wagnerrp:

it never gets the signal to unpress the key

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J-e-f-f-A:

ah, doesn't see the 'key up' until the network returns... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

and if ive already hit enter, the message automatically gets sent when then network returns

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antgel:

okay, so here's the problem. i have /dev/lcd1, no /dev/lcd0. echo "Hello MythTV and good morning" > /dev/lcd1 does nothing on my display. where do i go from here?

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knightr:

CLGSHAFT did you unmute it (in mcc I guess)?

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antgel:

i get display port opened / display port closed in the syslog, i can google that

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trumee:

wagnerrp: it is a bit slow compared to doing a scan in mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

ive found it to be about 1/3 the speed

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antgel:

i do have options lirc_imon display_type=1 in modprobe.d/local.conf

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antgel:

and options usbhid quirks=0x15c2:0x0038:0x0004 to avoid the device being picked up by usbhid driver

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antgel:

let's just modprobe -r usbhid

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antgel:

and see what happens

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: 76ab336a back in last january, you added the inuseprogram updates to FileTransfer::Seek

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wagnerrp:

why do you have one at both the front and back of the function?

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antgel:

hmm, VFD is now on /dev/lcd0 but echoing text still does nothing

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antgel:

oh crap. /proc/bus/usb/devices has disappeared in latest debian, anyone know where to?

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wagnerrp:

thats not really anything debian has control over

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antgel:

wagnerrp: i found it :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483392

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antgel:

wagnerrp: mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb and i'm in business. just want to see if usbhid's taking over the vfd

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wagnerrp:

ah... i wouldnt have thought there would be additional filesystems mounted in procfs

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clever:

just need to add it to fstab and its back to the way it was:)

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antgel:

clever: i *hope* that after debugging this sodding usb issue that i'll never have to look at it again ;)

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clever:

i'm still fighting my usb ir receiver, it seems to work fine but mythfrontend half locks up 90% of the time i start video

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clever:

the UI completely locks up but then video continues like nothing happened

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antgel:

clever: mine worked fine with old (kernel|distro|mythtv|lirc|lcdproc) :/

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antgel:

well, 15c2:0038 *is* using lirc_imon, so that's a positive

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antgel:

so WTF won't the bastard display anything?

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antgel:

ugh. on another matter, http://pastebin.ca/2034706. do we think this *could* be RAM or is it definitely the hard disk? because i've never been convinced by the RAM on either of my systems

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Beirdo:

!dig havokmud.mudhost.org aaaa

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MythLogBot:

havokmud.mudhost.org AAAA: 2001:470:8:9AB::1

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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Beirdo:

good. It will be live (in testing of course) soon enough

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antgel:

right, i have the LCD not the VFD. good start

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** antgel builds lcdproc cvs and fail **

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antgel:

autorecof FTW

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antgel:

and, much compiling of lcdproc and lirc later, we have a working remote and LCD

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antgel:

can't believe debian testing doesn't have latest versions of those packages – hardly fast-moving

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antgel:

i'd offer to help the maintainers but i have no more free time than they (apparently) do :)

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antgel:

any way, happy bunny here, 'night all

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Crys:

Nice, I just stumbled upon http://filebot.sourceforge.net/ . It's a great and very fast tool to rename tv shows.

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wagnerrp:

not sure what you would ever use it for

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wagnerrp:

having to rename your files means someone other than you named them in the first place

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wagnerrp:

i really doubt this thing is going to be able to glean any information from 'VTS_05_01'

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Crys:

I've a lot of tv series files that don't contain the title. The tool looks up metadata with thetvdb.

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wagnerrp:

that is correct, nothing mythtv records contains the title

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wagnerrp:

nor do shows that come on DVDs and blurays

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wagnerrp:

nor do they have the kind of information this utility is looking for

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Crys:

Well, there are other sources for tv series, too.

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wagnerrp:

in other words, there are no legal uses for this tool

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content

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Crys:

I wasn't referring to any sources mentioned in the wiki text. But I won't talk further about this topic since it may be legally dubious.

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wagnerrp:

any source where you might have release groups names, release types, and such that would need renaming would fall under 'legally dubious' even if not explicitly mentioned

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knightr:

!seen stoth

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MythLogBot:

stoth was last seen 9 days 3 hours 11 minutes 11 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

the linuxtv guys all seems to be offline for the season

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knightr:

thanks wagnerrp, looks like their site is offline as well (kernellabs...)

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

stoth's personal site is up, but that isnt much good since he doesnt host his drivers there

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knightr:

I think he used to do it at the beginning but is no longer doing it...

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wagnerrp:

looking for something in particular?

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wagnerrp:

i.e. his 2250 drivers?

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knightr:

yep but it's not for me...

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** wagnerrp nudges Beirdo **

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wagnerrp:

you still have those files laying around?

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knightr:

I wish jya was there as well, somebody has problems getting sound working with a GT430 HDMI port...

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Crys:

wagnerrp: I respect the policy and I will not refer to any tools like filebot anymore. However I want to point out that tools like filebot are IMHO not as problematic as e.g. DVD and Bluray playback. But that's just my opinion.

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wagnerrp:

filebot itself is not a problem, but its only of use on illegally obtained media

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knightr:

thanks wagnerrp, happy holidays!

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wagnerrp:

dvd and bluray playback are at least defended by the fact that the user purashed the content

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Crys:

I agree, unfortunately some lawyers would tell you something differently. It's a shame that DVD and HD playback isn't legally sound on Linux.

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iamlindoro:

Don't try to turn it around

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iamlindoro:

We ahve Blu-ray and DVD playback because our EFF lawyers have determined it's acceptable

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iamlindoro:

Playback of that content, including in the US, is protected under interoperability protections

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iamlindoro:

whereas no such protection exists for downloading content, or as we prefer to call it around here, "theft."

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iamlindoro:

Now that had better be the last I hear on this topic or people are going to start being escorted out

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iamlindoro:

and that includes "getting the last word"

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Crys:

iamlindoro: Understood. My final statement on the matter: I'm not endorsing any kind of illegal activities and I will not speak of any tool that might be seen as legally dubious by your U.S. laws. Can we go back to happy land again? :)

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Azelphur:

I've downloaded movies when I had the DVD in my hand before (Is that legal?) because the DVD encryption drove me insane.

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iamlindoro:

Azelphur, No, it's not legal. What part of "I'm going to start banning people if they go on with this garbage" was lost on you?

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Azelphur:

I remember at one point, I set the download going and started working on getting the DVD to actually play, the download finished first.

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Azelphur:

iamlindoro: sorry :p

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iamlindoro:

Azelphur, That was a warning, and the only one you're going to get

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Azelphur:

I like the way your jumping on me for one sentence which was a legal question, and then apologizing to you

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Azelphur:

but sure whtaever

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iamlindoro:

Good, now you know what to expect in the future

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iamlindoro:

You're not an idiot, common sense will tell you that under no circumstances is downloading the movie legal

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iamlindoro:

Just as you're not allowed to download a TV show if you could record it, or did record it, or anything else

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Azelphur:

I don't see why your trying to open a discussion with me when you've made it clear that anything I say will result in a ban

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iamlindoro:

And if none of you can see why we as a project need to take a hard line against piracy for our project survival, then *we don't want you*

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iamlindoro:

I'm not trying

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iamlindoro:

I don't expect a response-- in fact, I advise you not to respond

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iamlindoro:

I do expect for you to listen, and understand that any further transgression, however minor, will result in a ban

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, I don't recall. I don't know of any explicit reason why the update has to be in both places. might have had to do with the potential locking inside ::Unpause(), but should be talking milliseconds, not minutes there, so I don't think that's the reason. If you're looking at it, you could eliminate the second one probably.

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Crys:

iamlindoro: May I contact you in private?

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iamlindoro:

There's nothing worth saying in private that can't be said in public, Crys

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iamlindoro:

As channel ops and MythTV devs, our responsibility is to enforce the channel rules which protect our project

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iamlindoro:

that means requiring that everyone live up to a standard of conduct, we're not all secretly wink wink nudge nudge about piracy

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Crys:

I'm not going to argue against that. Why would I anyway? Everybody should understand the rules and the importance for a project like MythTV.

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iamlindoro:

Then there's not much to speak about in private-- I'm not interested in belaboring the point every single time some user forces me to enforce the rules, I would much prefer to simply see everyone behave according to the rules of the channel

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iamlindoro:

In fact, nothing compels me to action quicker than the implication that it's secretly okay, but we can't talk about it in public-- some of us are sincerely offended by piracy. Including me. If anything, it's *more* galling when people think that you can doublespeak around the channel rules.

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iamlindoro:

I just happen to have to be alone on the night shift about it :P If stuartm were here, he'd likely be banning people already

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Crys:

Have I violated the channel rules in any way? Did I imply that I endorse piracy in any way? I hope not.

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iamlindoro:

In both wagnerrp and my opinion, yes, you did.

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iamlindoro:

I do hope you won't force me to do a full post mortem with you when you yourself acknowledged the "legally dubious" nature of your sources of material

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iamlindoro:

I'd prefer you simply said, "okay, lesson learned, won't happen again."

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: looking at it, the only thing i could see is that there were scenarios where it would exit out of the function early

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wagnerrp:

so there was one in there early to ensure it got called

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Crys:

I'm not an US citizen. I'm bound to a different set of laws. The source may be legally dubious according to US laws but the source isn't illegal here in Germany. On the other side (and AFAIK) DVD / Bluray playback on Linux is still not legally sound in Germany although it's tolerated.

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Crys:

iamlindoro: I already learned the leason and I won't bring up the topic. I only want to make you understand that I don't endorse piracy.

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, in most cases I think I called it at the beginning of the method didn't I?

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wagnerrp:

some beginning, some end

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iamlindoro:

Crys, I think you need to reread the channel rules

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iamlindoro:

Crys, When in this channel, in terms of discussion, you *are* bound by our rules to behave as though US laws apply to you

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: let me dig up where the drivers are

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, I just looked over it again. so most are at the end instead of the beginning. seek appears that way because of the short-circuit returns inside ::Seek()

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: ok, just wondering

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wagnerrp:

although with the short circuit returns, does it really need to be updated?

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wagnerrp:

the only time it short circuits is if the buffer or read thread is offline

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wagnerrp:

presumably because the file has been closed, the file transfer torn down

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wagnerrp:

and the user is trying to pull off a dead socket

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Crys:

iamlindoro: I reread the rules. Nothing says that I have to behave like I'm bound to US laws. Although the US centric development of MythTV implies it.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I got it from: http://kernellabs.com/hg/~stoth/saa7164-v4l

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah... kernellabs is down

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Beirdo:

now, it seems kernellabs.com is having issues today?

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wagnerrp:

the last few days apparently

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iamlindoro:

Crys, Last warning. This discussion is over, and any further attempt to push buttons or press your luck will result in a temporary ban

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wagnerrp:

knightr has someone looking for the driver

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Beirdo:

hmmm, let me see something

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Crys:

iamlindoro: It's late here and I've to go to bed anyway. Good night.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: http://git.linuxtv.org/media_tree.git

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Beirdo:

the drivers I am running were merged into that tree

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: thanks again for the help earlier. Keeping the old drive in as a failed spare worked out nicely. It repaired the array in just under 6 hours

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knightr:

Beirdo, wagnerrp Thank you and Happy Holidays!

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Beirdo:

no problemo :)

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Beirdo:

took me a few minutes to dig it out of my mailbox

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Beirdo:

as I had 3 small patches in there, I was informed when it got merged :)

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Beirdo:

on Oct 17

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Beirdo:

hope kernellabs.com gets resurrected soon though

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: it goes down periodically

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** Beirdo avoids the obvious sexual jokes **

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Beirdo:

yeah, servers do that, generally when you are on vacation

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russell5:

yeah worse when the power goes out and drains the ups on our switches so i had to drive in a during a storm to work

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wagnerrp:

no generators?

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Beirdo:

*BLEEEP* happens

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wagnerrp:

UPSs are only supposed to last until the generator kicks in

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russell5:

yeah out servers have generators but our network switches dont

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Shadow__X:

might want to rewire some things

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Beirdo:

ya know... it helps to get IPv6 working if you configure the stupid interface :)

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waqgnerrp:

oh wow

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waqgnerrp:

from the xkcd forum... 'it is currently fri dec 31, 2010 12:58 am utc'

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Beirdo:

I've been fighting with an EC2 instance to get the IPv6 working...

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Beirdo:

all it was... forgot to ip -6 addr add

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Beirdo:

hehe

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waqgnerrp:

oh robert monroe, why are you running local time

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[R]:

waqgnerrp: what's up with your nick...

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waqgnerrp:

i cant type, apparently

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[R]:

loll

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Beirdo:

wacky wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: thats waqgnerrp to you

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** wagnerrp continues replacing 1–2GB rips to 4–8GB isos to space space on his array **

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Beirdo:

hheh

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wagnerrp:

hey, it makes sense

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wagnerrp:

third of a day encoding something, im going to keep it redundant

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Beirdo:

hehe, I guess so :)

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wagnerrp:

10 minutes pulling an iso off the disk, i dont mind stuffing that on one of the spare drives

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Beirdo:

or into /dev/null... since it's web-scale

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wagnerrp:

but it never gives me any data back

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wagnerrp:

now /dev/urandom, thats where the real storage lies

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Beirdo:

but it does it REAL fast

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Beirdo:

I'm impartial to /dev/zero

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wagnerrp:

forgot about that one, that would work too

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wagnerrp:

and just think of how well it would compress

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

i seem to be missing a disk

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wagnerrp:

return of the pink panther

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Beirdo:

that sucketh

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Beirdo:

the fact it's missing, not the movie

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wagnerrp:

maybe its just out of place in the dvd player

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wagnerrp:

not sequential with the others

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Beirdo:

could be

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wagnerrp:

huh... true lies is 7.1GB just for the movie, and it looks like crap

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

connectbot is such a nice tool on my nook color :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

mmm, ssh on a 7" tablet

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bafman:

hello, how can set initail transponder in mythtv for dvb-s?

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lautriv:

heyda :-) i have this card --> http://pastebin.com/frXRupH9 and all looks to be fine so far but actually i get no signal, card "was" working and i suspect the firmware but no hint in dmesg, could anyone point out what modules/firmware working proper on this card ?

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bafman:

hello, can anyone shed a light to me on this error message? NVP(1), Error: Couldn't find an A/V decoder for:

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lautriv:

bafman, card/setup ?

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bafman:

card is tevii s464, mythbuntu 10.10. Mythtv0.24, nvidia driver

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bafman:

sorry, frontend yelds branches/release-0-23-fixes [26437]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 26437: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/5f2c474b

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bafman:

according apt, its 0.23.1

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lautriv:

bafman, and you set it up as DVB DTV capture card ?

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bafman:

lautriv: its, dvb-s and set as dvb dtv (v3.x)

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lautriv:

bafman, dmesg checked ?

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bafman:

lautriv: everything seems to be working

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bafman:

lautriv: hmm, when I try zap to certain channel, I get FE_HAS_LOCK

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bafman:

but mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 plays nothing

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flexy:

Hey, I've just changed gpu from older nvidia to a less power hungry nvidia. X is not starting anymore... nvidia drivers are from avenard.org, ubuntu lucid.

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flexy:

propably very simple fix, I just can't get it from my head now...

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flexy:

what are the nvidia packages needed, there is a bunch of possibilities with `aptitude search nvidia`

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lautriv:

bafman, sorry searching another problem, was afk.........looks like your card is calimed by another app/not freed after use. you could try to unload/load modules.

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lautriv:

dudes, what is the simplest app to remotely check a card (card on headless server, haz xauth but i won't install a full DE )

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lautriv:

bah,that myth drives me crazy, since 0.24 it's a pain.

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trumee:

Is it possibly to use MythNetvision to receive a remote webcam stream generated through vlc?

[15:35:45]

trumee:

At present i use Mythstream with 0.23.1 but it doesnt build with 0.24.

[15:36:04]

wagnerrp:

no, but i dont know why you would use either of those plugins with a webcam

[15:37:55]

wagnerrp:

if this is for security purposes, either set up VLC in such a manner that mythtv can record it using the IPTV recorder

[15:37:59]

trumee:

wagnerrp: For convenience in the living room.

[15:38:34]

wagnerrp:

or use zoneminder to record the webcam and mythzoneminder to video the surveillance logs in mythtv

[15:38:45]

trumee:

wagnerrp: It is mainly for video chatting (substitute for skype)

[15:39:18]

wagnerrp:

if this is for video chatting, still neither of those are right solution

[15:39:32]

wagnerrp:

get a SIP phone, add a menu entry for it in the menu xml

[15:39:38]

trumee:

wagnerrp: Mythstream works very at the moment.

[15:40:00]

wagnerrp:

but its one way, and in no way designed for that sort of use

[15:40:16]

trumee:

wagnerrp: Atm the voice comes through a hardware ATA and video through Mythstream

[15:41:27]

trumee:

wagnerrp: does MythNetvision requires streams in flv container?

[15:41:55]

wagnerrp:

no, but it is only for on-demand content

[15:41:59]

wagnerrp:

not live streams

[15:42:10]

trumee:

wagnerrp: ah, right.

[15:42:15]

wagnerrp:

well, it is intended for on-demand content

[15:42:30]

wagnerrp:

but once you open a webpage with a flash player, the flash player can really do whatever it pleases

[15:42:34]

wagnerrp:

including a live stream

[15:43:05]

trumee:

wagnerrp: that is interesting, i suppose i can always setup a webpage to include the live stream.

[15:43:29]

wagnerrp:

no, thats an awful way to do it

[15:44:12]

trumee:

wagnerrp: hmm. i dont see any other way (apart from getting stuck at 0.23.1 with Mythstream)

[15:44:23]

wagnerrp:

running SIP audio to an ATA and a hardline phone and independent video streaming is as hackish a way to do a video phone as ive ever seen

[15:44:49]

wagnerrp:

find a softphone with LIRC support, launch it from the mythtv menu xml, done

[15:45:35]

trumee:

wagnerrp: and how about the video?

[15:45:36]

wagnerrp:

and if you cant find one with lirc support, you can probably still do it with keyboard controls through irxevent

[15:45:41]

wagnerrp:

SIP does video

[15:45:48]

wagnerrp:

softphones do video

[15:46:31]

trumee:

wagnerrp: yes, i could use ekiga remotely to generate video.

[15:47:09]

wagnerrp:

yes, ekiga is a SIP-using softphone

[15:47:56]

trumee:

wagnerrp: atm, i autostart mythtv like this http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/autostart.html

[15:48:39]

wagnerrp:

no easier way to do it

[15:48:52]

wagnerrp:

(the autostart thing, than cardoe's method)

[15:49:10]

trumee:

wagnerrp: the window manager is evilwm, i am not sure if i start ekiga, what will happen to the window focus

[15:49:49]

wagnerrp:

if you have a window manager, the newly opened application will get focus, and mythtv will ignore any lirc activity until the newly opened application opened through the menu xml closes

[15:50:05]

** trumee uses this method to speak to his folks who know nothing about computers, except using a remote with mythtv. **

[15:51:00]

wagnerrp:

the easiest method from a usability standpoint would be to revive mythphone, a SIP plugin for mythtv

[15:51:07]

wagnerrp:

but ive got no idea how hard that would be to pull off

[15:51:19]

wagnerrp:

it hasnt been updated since 0.21, and never made the qt4 transition

[15:51:28]

trumee:

wagnerrp: did mythphone ever do video calls?

[15:51:55]

wagnerrp:

yes, mythphone hooked up to your local microphone, webcam, and whatever SIP service you wanted to do video calls

[15:52:42]

trumee:

wagnerrp: wow! that was quite nice. i only remember using audio with mythphone

[15:53:05]

wagnerrp:

my point is if youre doing video chat, it should be done by the same program

[15:53:24]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to having completely independent audio and video, with no means of synchronization between the two

[15:54:22]

trumee:

wagnerrp: yes that is true but the advantage of using Hardware ATA is that it can use G729 codec. I dont think ekiga/mythphone could do that.

[15:56:26]

lautriv:

where should i dig if mythweb shows a blank page ?

[16:01:38]

wagnerrp:

trumee: unless either endpoint is using early 90s dialup, not sure why that would be needed

[16:02:08]

trumee:

wagnerrp: point taken. How about echo cancellation?

[16:02:37]

wagnerrp:

usually implemented by the endpoints, and not anything to do with the codec

[16:03:11]

trumee:

wagnerrp: ok, what would take to resurrect mythphone. Cant it be compiled used qt3support?

[16:03:24]

wagnerrp:

on that, ive got no idea?

[16:05:10]

wagnerrp:

you will likely need to set up your own SIP server

[16:05:24]

wagnerrp:

as chances are whatever SIP provider you are using with that ATA doesnt support video

[16:05:38]

trumee:

wagnerrp: i am already running my own asterisk.

[16:05:47]

wagnerrp:

ah, well there you go, already done

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trumee:

wagnerrp: maybe as i first try, i could dump the mythphone folder under mythplugins of 0.24 and see what happens.

[16:07:06]

trumee:

wagnerrp: i meant try to compile it with mythplugins of 0.24

[16:07:40]

wagnerrp:

you would also need to edit the configure and pro files to include it, but thats trivial

[16:07:58]

wagnerrp:

however mythtv has changed considerably out from underneath mythphone

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wagnerrp:

depending on how much it tied into mythtv, it may require a lot of work to get running

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trumee:

wagnerrp: :(

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lautriv:

where should i dig if mythweb shows a blank page ?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: does this crash indicate anything? http://www.pastie.org/1419880

[16:45:47]

trumee:

mythbackend died suddenly while watching LiveTv

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xand:

lautriv: was it working before?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt mean anything meaningful to me

[16:46:28]

lautriv:

xand, yes, all was fine but then i ran in trouble while upgrading to .24

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tob_:

since some recent update of 0.24 fixes i am no longer able to "watch" audio only channels from dvb-C

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trumee:

wagnerrp: ok. thanks

[16:46:58]

tob_:

get a lot of messages: Player(0): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAU

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tob_:

from the frontend and then it goes back to the main menu

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wagnerrp:

tob_: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9130

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tob_:

wagnerrp: don't know if this is related... whats this stuff about a red button?

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tob_:

this is my frontend log http://www.pastie.org/1419887

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tob_:

and i am in Germany

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wagnerrp:

i remember hearing some thing a while back about audio-only channels being broken, because the player thought it needed a video channel

[16:55:14]

wagnerrp:

i thought that was it

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tob_:

wagnerrp: but you don't remember anyone fixing this right?

[16:56:38]

wagnerrp:

i didnt follow it, because we dont have audio-only channels over here

[16:57:01]

wagnerrp:

even our music channels on digital cable still have static mpeg2 image

[16:57:28]

wagnerrp:

they have something for NVP to fiddle with, so it works fine

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tob_:

it used to work fine without the video stream... but i cant tell when it broke, it was a long time ago i had listened to radio channels the last time

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wagnerrp:

it likely would have broken during the 0.24 development cycle

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wagnerrp:

where most of the video rendering and OSD code was refactored

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Steve_Goodey:

tob_: I think this is it. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/465536

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Steve_Goodey:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/3cf32 . . . 0b94fd6f0cdb seems to have fixed the audio only problem.

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flexy:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL... ubuntu lucid, with jya packaged nvidia 260 drivers. What package am I missing to get this error on compiling?

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clever:

flexy: GL

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clever:

on my system its either libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dev or nvidia-glx

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flexy:

clever: trying to install libgl1-mesa-dev results in nvidia-glx-260-dev to be removed... did not install it. Should I?

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flexy:

clever: and I have nvidia-glx-260 and -dev installed

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flexy:

clever: nvidia-glx and -dev do not install... aptitude says No packages will be installed, etc...

[18:15:52]

flexy:

it's like nvidia-glx-260(-dev) package does not provide GL, but it should. If I'm interpreting things right...

[18:19:16]

flexy:

should I have libgl1-mesa-glx, when having nvidia gpu with proprietary drivers?

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momelod:

greetings channel

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flexy:

clever: libgl1-mesa-glx is installed, libgl1-mesa-dev is not...

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momelod:

in mythnetvision, is it possible to have the internal flash player play rss feeds. Right now when I click on something i have subscribed to, it takes me to the webpage where the video is embedded.

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momelod:

so i subscribe to a youtube rss feed but it takes me to yourtube.com. whereas if i browse the youtube sitemap the player plays videos w/o first going to youtube.com

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momelod:

how can i have my rss subscriptions behave like sitemap subscriptions

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CLGSHAFT:

hey guys, i updated my kernel and lost audio on my 950q, audio is working for my 2250 and watching videos

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clever:

flexy: i think nvidia overwrites the mesa GL files, but you only need the nvidia package if you have an nvidia card

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antgel:

hello kingston ram sticks. goodbye segfaults (i hope). crucial – your rep is destroyed in my eyes :/

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sid3windr:

:) I used to have corsair and noname

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sid3windr:

guess which one died first

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antgel:

corsair!

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sid3windr:

check ;)

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clever:

my celeron 2.9ghz sometimes has bad ram

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clever:

but if i reseat the modules, it goes away

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sid3windr:

woa

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antgel:

well, i've been buying crucial for as long as i can remember. but these issues have been happening on my parents' machine for as long as i can remember (a year at least)

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sid3windr:

is this your first >GHz machine?

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sid3windr:

:p

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clever:

sid3windr: no, ive got atleast 3

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sid3windr:

man

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sid3windr:

what happened to the 486s and stuff

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clever:

the 1.6ghz P4 doesnt feel like its in the GHz range, ive heard its the pipeline

[18:41:45]

clever:

the 1.6ghz was my master backend, but due to many things, i moved that to the 400mhz P2

[18:42:15]

clever:

ive had that 1.6ghz since before i joined #mythtv-users

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sid3windr:

:)

[18:43:05]

clever:

ive been meaning to update the distro on the 400mhz

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clever:

the alsa is too old, so myth cant be updated

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wagnerrp:

clever: the p4 was plenty powerful if you were doing very repetitive calculations with predictable branching

[18:47:46]

wagnerrp:

the pipeline was very long, so you got very high clockspeeds out of it and tons of single threaded performance

[18:48:12]

wagnerrp:

but... if you mispredicted a branch, the pipeline would get flushed and you would have to start all over again

[18:48:35]

wagnerrp:

meaning for most tasks, the p4 was never able to get anywhere near its theoretical possible speed

[18:48:38]

clever:

yeah, it needs proper and heavy use of LIKELY and UNLIKELY macro's at compile time

[18:49:11]

clever:

ive never gotten the same h264 performance out of it as the 1.6ghz laptop

[18:49:19]

clever:

and it doesnt help that its low on ram

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clever:

Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz is the laptop that out-performs it on h264

[18:51:43]

wagnerrp:

the P4 remained competitive with AMD efforts for as long as they were able to continue cranking up the clockrate

[18:51:53]

wagnerrp:

but they were never able to resolve the power consumption issues

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clever:

that P4 is also the loudest of my desktop towers

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wagnerrp:

they were hoping to make it to 10GHz on the architecture, but really ran out of steam at around 3

[18:52:45]

clever:

when it does turn off, its just too silent in the room

[18:53:07]

BLZbubba:

did everyone already vote for this (vdpau support in flash): https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1152

[18:53:10]

wagnerrp:

it is still the highest clockrate general purpose processor ever produced

[18:53:40]

clever:

BLZbubba: i always pause the flash, then tear its video out of /tmp

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clever:

-rw------- 1 clever clever 5.0M Dec 31 14:53 FlashVuKmcz

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wagnerrp:

unlocked samples have gone past 8GHz on LN2

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: what do you expect to get out of VDPAU support?

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clever:

mplayer -nocache FlashVuKmcz

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: there is nothing streamed using the flash player than cannot be readily decoded in software even on an Atom

[18:55:21]

clever:

ive not gotten good cpu performance out of flash and fullscreen tends to cause more problems

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: the adobe video decoders are perfectly fine

[18:56:46]

wagnerrp:

its the video /player/ that is complete garbage

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clever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_e . . . =CUqNSrAid6E can run at full 1080 (not sure on the bitrate) if you click the button in the corner

[18:59:18]

clever:

good way to push things to the limit and see what happens

[18:59:38]

clever:

it appears to be stuck on one frame...

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that the video player uses software scaling and colorspace conversion, so it can composite in its own overlays

[18:59:49]

clever:

and its not even pegging the cpu

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wagnerrp:

that scaling is converstion is far more intensive than the decoding of any content available over flash

[19:00:10]

clever:

yeah that would cause problems

[19:00:33]

wagnerrp:

thats why mythfrontend doesnt even attempt to do so if you dont have a proper API available to do it for you

[19:00:43]

clever:

if i slip into /tmp, i can open it in mplayer and use vdpau to scale and decode it

[19:00:56]

wagnerrp:

opengl support for hardware accelerated decoding has been in flash for years

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wagnerrp:

and has been available for use on any platform

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clever:

and its so large of a resolution, that it has to downscale even at fullscreen

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wagnerrp:

there is no reason why it cant be used

[19:01:54]

clever:

not sure how i would check if its in use

[19:02:22]

clever:

libflashplayer.so appears to contain libGL.so.1

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iamlindoro:

which is uses for colorspace conversion, not scaling

[19:03:10]

antgel:

damn

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clever:

its not listed in the dynamic linking shown by objdump -p

[19:03:52]

clever:

it must be another one of those things it loads thru dlopen()

[19:04:15]

antgel:

Invalid module format – WTF

[19:04:20]

** antgel will provide more info **

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antgel:

*cough* that's what i get for

[19:05:33]

antgel:

/usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.5

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CLGSHAFT:

hey guys, i got the audio to work on my 950q, but when i chnage channels i lose the audio, restart the frontend and audio works

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CLGSHAFT:

anyone know why i would lose audio when chnaging channels with a 950q?

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wagnerrp:

because youre using it with analog

[19:16:52]

wagnerrp:

we have a general dislike for framegrabbers around here

[19:17:05]

wagnerrp:

because of all such audio complications they tend to introduce

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CLGSHAFT:

ok, but itworked before i updated my kernel

[19:18:45]

wagnerrp:

yes, and changing the kernel changed something about your ALSA setup, or maybe you got pulseaudio along with the upgrade that is causing complications, or maybe one of a dozen other things that could have happened which complicated audio capture

[19:19:21]

CLGSHAFT:

ok, pulseaudio is disabled

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wagnerrp:

while mpeg encoders always work, because all audio capture, video capture, compression, multiplexing... its all done in the hardware and we get a nice mpeg2ts stream

[19:19:32]

CLGSHAFT:

what device do you reccomend for analog?

[19:19:46]

wagnerrp:

the PVR-150 is the inexpensive option

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wagnerrp:

but you can only find it used

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CLGSHAFT:

but hard to find

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wagnerrp:

if you want new, an HVR-1600 or HVR-2250

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CLGSHAFT:

that is a pci card?

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wagnerrp:

theyre pretty readily available on ebay

[19:20:17]

wagnerrp:

the 1600 is PCI

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 is PCIe

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CLGSHAFT:

i have the 2250, it wlll not install with my kernel

[19:20:36]

CLGSHAFT:

i can get the digital side working

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wagnerrp:

or if you want USB like your existing 950, then grab a 1950

[19:21:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

The 1212 is also an option for analog. Although it's targeted at HD content. It still does SD though. Spits it out in h264 to. Smaller files.

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CLGSHAFT:

i cant stand the 950q, thats is why i bought the 2250, ut that is being a pain to get analog working

[19:22:16]

wagnerrp:

CLGSHAFT: if you are looking for the analog drivers for the 2250, they have been merged into the main linuxtv git tree

[19:22:25]

wagnerrp:

http://git.linuxtv.org/media_tree.git

[19:22:32]

CLGSHAFT:

tried that last night

[19:22:45]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i thought they used to use mercurial for their repository

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CLGSHAFT:

from what i undertsnad is i go through the first five steps of git, then make, make instalkl

[19:26:12]

CLGSHAFT:

thatnks for the suggestions wagnerrp

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CLGSHAFT:

i will keep trying

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wagnerrp:

oooh yeah... mythfrontend got a segfault

[19:26:49]

CLGSHAFT:

i will look at a 1600, or a 150 if i can find one

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Anyone have any MythTV related New Year's resolutions? I was contemplating how I might change my usage of it in the New Year. I know it's a bit of a silly question, but...

[19:28:16]

wagnerrp:

rewrite vast portions of it?

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knightr:

wagnerrp, they switch to git less than a year ago I think... kernallabs still use mercurial though but it's down as you know...

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knightr:

what I got and CLGSHAFT got by doing a checkout of this appears to contain not only the capture cards drivers but the network drivers and other drivers as well...

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knightr:

s/switch/switched

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mtrg:

Hello — I've just setup mythtv, all I did is running mythtv-setup and then run mythbackend — my PS3 doesn't see MythTV via upnpn!

[19:32:28]

knightr:

they had somebody maitaining a mercurial copy of their git repo from what I gathered but he quit something like 1–2 months ago...

[19:32:52]

wagnerrp:

mtrg: in mythtv-setup, what address did you tell mythtv to listen on?

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mtrg:

wagnerrp: under general setup tab, 10.1.0.1 for local backened, and 10.1.0.1 for master backened

[19:33:39]

mtrg:

wagnerrp: my PS3 is 10.1.0.118

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wagnerrp:

they are on the same 10.1.0.255 subnet?

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mtrg:

yep

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iamlindoro:

Did you configure a tuner and run the frontend to set the videostartupdir?

[19:34:49]

wagnerrp:

i.e. set the backend up properly

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mtrg:

well, no idea what is that. so I guess no I did not

[19:35:06]

iamlindoro:

backend can't run without a tuner, uPnP can't run without setting video dir in the frontend

[19:35:25]

wagnerrp:

well upnp can still run and share out your recordings, but without a tuner, he wont have any of those

[19:35:41]

iamlindoro:

without a tuner, upnp won't run at all

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iamlindoro:

since the backend won't

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wagnerrp:

without a tuner, the backend closes anyway

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wagnerrp:

right

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wagnerrp:

anyway... http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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wagnerrp:

follow the instructions there for setting up Local videos

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to use storage groups

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mtrg:

all I executed is "mythtv-setup" and put my reachable IP address, and then run /etc/inic.d/mythbackend start

[19:36:40]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you didnt complete mythbackend setup

[19:36:54]

wagnerrp:

you must add a tuner, add a video source, set up channels, set up recording storage, ....

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is a DVR, not a generic upnp server

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mtrg:

I see. Will do that..

[19:39:14]

eyeoh:

yay I've got my AverMedia Volar X lit up nice blue and scanning :D

[19:39:37]

eyeoh:

Now I'm not even sure how I didn't get it working right the first time :p

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eyeoh:

(thanks for the documentation)

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eyeoh:

(I think several times, I got up to everything except having the firmware available part – which if I figure correctly is the last thing that should be added cause it'll otherwise disappear from /lib/firmware if added too soon)

[19:43:27]

eyeoh:

that, and reading dmesg was helpful..

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mtrg:

where can I find "media settings"?

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wagnerrp:

in the frontend, under utilities/setup

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mtrg:

I see "edit keys" and "setup" under "utilities/setup"

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wagnerrp:

look under setup

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mtrg:

under setup, I see "general", "appearance", "screen setup wizard", and "TV Settings"

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wagnerrp:

did you install mythvideo?

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mtrg:

I did "emerge mythtv" only, I thought it would emerge all stuff

[19:54:09]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is mythtv, plugins are separate

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mtrg:

I didn't know that it's a plugin (very new to mythtv world)

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mtrg:

I'm emerging it now

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wagnerrp:

http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythTV#Install . . . tage_package

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wagnerrp:

lists them all as separate packages

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wagnerrp:

should give you an idea of what else is available

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wagnerrp:

however note that the plugins only exist on the frontend

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wagnerrp:

so if you arent running the frontend, adding others wont really do anything

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mtrg:

so I should keep the frontened running?

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wagnerrp:

the only reason youre installing mythfrontend is because the upnp video sharing uses one shared database setting

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wagnerrp:

s/mythfrontend/mythvideo/

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wagnerrp:

VideoStartupDir is an old setting used in mythvideo prior to 0.22

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wagnerrp:

and is what the UPNP server searches for when sharing non-recorded videos

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mtrg:

I'm in 2011 here now, yay

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: can you do hulu hi def scaled to 1920x1080? or even this at full screen: http://tinyurl.com/2ujs2dh

[20:12:45]

wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: no, you can do relatively low bitrate 720x480 "HD" on hulu, scaled to 1920x1080

[20:13:09]

wagnerrp:

the decoding is trivial, scaling it to 1920x1080 is what kills your CPU

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BLZbubba:

right but at greatly reduced frame rates

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BLZbubba:

exactly, vdpau would help quite a bit

[20:13:33]

wagnerrp:

no, it wouldnt

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BLZbubba:

a couple of coworkers here recently ditched myth for !#^# media center because hulu works better on windows

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wagnerrp:

because decoding it is only a small portion of the load caused by playback

[20:14:21]

wagnerrp:

thats why the crystalhd stuff already added to flash is not the 'miracle cure'

[20:14:29]

wagnerrp:

all it does is offload decoding

[20:14:39]

wagnerrp:

but the majority of the load is caused by scaling

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BLZbubba:

what do they use on the other platforms then, gl?

[20:15:01]

BLZbubba:

for scaling

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wagnerrp:

software

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BLZbubba:

they why is linux so bad at it compared to the others?

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wagnerrp:

because X11 isnt designed for that sort of operation

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wagnerrp:

it cant handle such high throughput changes

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wagnerrp:

so it is adding MORE load on top of it

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BLZbubba:

do they at least use XV? i'll bet not

[20:17:03]

wagnerrp:

no, if they did, Xv would do all their scaling and conversion for them

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wagnerrp:

Xv only does YUV

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wagnerrp:

adobe refuses to use it because they want all their compositing done in RGB

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mtrg:

whereis "menu->scan for changes" ?

[20:18:14]

wagnerrp:

mtrg: ignore it, the upnp server does its own scan

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mtrg:

wagnerrp: I installed mythvideo, went to "media settings", then pointed "videos" to a dir that has moviews, then restarted backend (just in case), and PS3 still doesn't see UPnP

[20:20:05]

wagnerrp:

check your backend logs, it should comment something about scanning for content and 'finding X videos'

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mtrg:

wagnerrp: I get "UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/path/to/vids:" and then "Done. Found 12 objects"

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wagnerrp:

that should do it, those 12 videos should be available over upnp

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: any idea why they hate SGI so much?

[20:25:40]

wagnerrp:

who hates SGI?

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iamlindoro:

Tough to hate a dead company

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mtrg:

wagnerrp: however, I don't see it via PS3.

[20:27:55]

wagnerrp:

does the backend even show up as an available server?

[20:28:08]

mtrg:

wagnerrp: does it matter that my mythtv host is listening on wlan0 and it already has eth0 — any special anti-wlan querks?

[20:28:22]

mtrg:

wagnerrp: nope, unseen

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iamlindoro:

Jeez, am I still op'd?

[20:28:41]

iamlindoro:

I need to learn to undo the things I do

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wagnerrp:

unless your access point is filtering multicast for some reason... it shouldnt matter

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mtrg:

via tcpdump, I see multicast 239.x.x.x packets recieved by my wlan0 on mythtv, but mythtv sends no reply

[20:28:59]

wagnerrp:

big man on channel

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Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@mythtv/developer/iamlindoro : -q dustybin!*@*

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antgel:

okay, i've narrowed down my lirc issue. on frontend startup: LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd'

[20:31:09]

wagnerrp:

is lircd running?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, please attempt to say something. Useful.

[20:31:23]

antgel:

oops, i missed "eno: Permission denied (13)"

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antgel:

srw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 31 19:20 /var/run/lirc/lircd

[20:31:43]

antgel:

on my working box (master), i get srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Dec 31 20:25 /var/run/lirc/lircd

[20:31:50]

antgel:

same init scripts etc

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antgel:

weird

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mtrg:

wagnerrp: can't see lircd on "ps aux"

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wagnerrp:

talking to antgel

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wagnerrp:

lirc has nothing to do with upnp

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antgel:

heh

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eyeoh:

wohooo superb

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mtrg:

heh

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eyeoh:

this works beautifully :)

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: flash apparently checks for the vendor string and gives up on hardware accel if it sees SGI. i read it on the internet so it must be true

[20:33:05]

eyeoh:

(for now) – just changed alsa:default to alsa:pulse cause I'm in Ubuntu 10.04

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antgel:

/var/run/lirc has 644 as well, let me change that

[20:33:40]

antgel:

no, i tell a lie, same directory perms on both

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antgel:

let me stop lircd and delete /var/run/lirc/lircd then restart it

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antgel:

sorted!

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mtrg:

How can I know which interface mythbackend is listening for 239.x.x.x multicast groups?

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wagnerrp:

it should be listening on the interface used by the address you specified in mythtv-setup

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mtrg:

the interface is wlan0 — anything bad about being wlan0?

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wagnerrp:

upnp should work fine over wireless, so long as your access point isnt doing something like filtering multicast traffic

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antgel:

ffs now vdpau is broken

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mtrg:

my AP is OK (UPnP with PMS worked OK)

[20:39:08]

antgel:

i *have* built the nvidia module for my kernel

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antgel:

ah. i wonder if i need to rebuild myth

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antgel:

i'll pastebin the error

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt need to

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iamlindoro:

assuming you compiled with vdpau enabled in the first place, that is

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antgel:

http://pastebin.ca/2035264 – can somebody take a look?

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antgel:

HOLD ON

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** antgel was testing RAM sticks on this machine and decreased video ram on motherboard ;) **

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mtrg:

I can't even see my videos on the frontend

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wagnerrp:

mtrg: thats because you havent scanned in mythvideo

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mtrg:

how can I scan?

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wagnerrp:

you dont, scanning in mythvideo has no effect on the content available through upnp

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mtrg:

I just feel that something is fundamentally not working

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wagnerrp:

the two are completely independent, save for that one setting value you had to set through the frontend

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antgel:

is ron frazier's mythimon.pl somewhat deprecated?

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mtrg:

any debugging level that shows me the exact interface name, or IP addresses that mythtv is listening on?

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wagnerrp:

try '-v upnp' on the backend

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antgel:

what's the best way to set a value for /proc/asound/card0/pcm3p/sub0/prealloc? or change the permissions? it's 0644 root.root on my debian system

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antgel:

and frontend complains that it doesn't have permissions to change it

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mtrg:

wagnerrp: doesn't show any IP address :/

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mtrg:

any major difference between 0.22 and 0.24?

[21:07:10]

mtrg:

should mythtv produce some log entries whenever it gets a upnp multicast on 239.x.x.x?

[21:07:32]

wagnerrp:

yes, dont know

[21:07:47]

mtrg:

"yes don't know"?

[21:08:05]

wagnerrp:

yes, there have been significant changes between 0.22 and 0.24

[21:08:19]

wagnerrp:

no, i dont know what kind of log entries the upnp server is supposed to do

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wagnerrp:

you can try '-v all'

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mtrg:

my mythtv prints nothing even when PS3 sends UDPs out

[21:09:37]

mtrg:

I think mythtv is not getting anything in the 1st place

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** antgel is nearly done, finally **

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antgel:

should i expect to be able to successfully stream 1080i HD over a gigabit ethernet?

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wagnerrp:

uncompressed 1080i? probably not

[21:13:26]

antgel:

wagnerrp: fine. then i think my 0.22->0.24 saga is over, pending my parents finding any flaws

[21:13:37]

antgel:

but at least now i have remote access to ssh in

[21:13:51]

wagnerrp:

note that mythtv does not stream uncompressed video anywhere but to the video card

[21:14:11]

wagnerrp:

the most mythtv will ever see is ~5MB/s from bluray content

[21:14:30]

antgel:

wagnerrp: basically i have a BBC programme on my master backend. when watching it from a networked frontend it's very jerky

[21:14:33]

wagnerrp:

but the size of compressed video is not dependent on resolution

[21:15:14]

antgel:

thanks all for the help, even though i solved most issues by thinking out loud, in-channel

[21:15:21]

antgel:

happy new year to all, see you next year :)

[21:23:21]

mtrg:

downloading source code of mytthv

[21:23:32]

antgel:

ah, just one more issue

[21:23:35]

mtrg:

will do it manually — sight. Not sure if this is even worth it

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wagnerrp:

mtrg: if all you want is a upnp server, it is not worth it

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antgel:

i set EventCmdLivetvStarted to sudo /usr/local/sbin/cpufast – it works on one FE but not the other – any tips on debugging?

[21:24:08]

antgel:

the sudo /usr/local/sbin/cpufast works by itself

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antgel:

my master FE has no problem running the event

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wagnerrp:

antgel: you set that on both frontends? system events are only set locally to each machine

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antgel:

wagnerrp: indeed, it's set on both – verified in mythweb settings

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antgel:

wagnerrp: actually, it worked like a charm on the master FE

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antgel:

wagnerrp: any other ideas?

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lautriv:

antgel, checked permissions ?

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floppyears:

hi guys, is there another program that I can use to check whether or not my hd ota tuners are working?

[22:05:27]

antgel:

lautriv: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 148 Dec 31 20:47 /usr/local/sbin/cpufast

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floppyears:

meaning is there another program I can use to watch tv and change the channels around?

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lautriv:

antgel, you could "su – mythtv" and call it on cli to see what happens.

[22:06:59]

antgel:

lautriv: i did, as my user (one that runs frontend). it ran, no problem

[22:07:46]

clever:

antgel: did you edit sudoers?

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antgel:

clever: yep

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antgel:

clever: %mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/cpufast

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lautriv:

antgel, maybe a typo or you miss the trigger.

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clever:

antgel: does it give any errors when mythtv tries to do sudo /usr/local/sbin/cpufast?

[22:09:06]

clever:

mythtv ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/ionice

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antgel:

and it's great that you guys are helping now, but i have to go to my friend's. :( until tomorrow, when i will also be attempting to add new channels

[22:09:31]

antgel:

clever: will try on my return, but that syntax works on my master FE *shrug*

[22:09:45]

clever:

antgel: you could also give setuid root a try

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clever:

if its a binary

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bindi:

hey! is MythTV able to use multiple digituners?

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bindi:

say I have 2 tuners, and I set it to record 2 different programs, from 2 different channels, at the same time.

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bindi:

Would it use card 1 for program 1 and card 2 for program 2?

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russell5:

yes

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bindi:

great. how well does it like those cards with 2 tuners in them? planning to get 2 double tuners

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russell5:

not sure about all of them. i have a 2250 and the uses the two digital tuners well

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wagnerrp:

bindi: as far as mythtv is concerned, cards with two tuners exist as two completely independent devices

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bindi:

aha

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bindi:

now do you guys happen to know if there are any dual dvb-c tuners? >.<

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wagnerrp:

you can add as many as you need using multiple backends, until you start hitting practical limits of the scheduler

[22:26:07]

wagnerrp:

a few, not many

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

note that if you intend to record encrypted cable, you need tuner cards with CI slots

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bindi:

hmm

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bindi:

i could get some Anysee E30C Pluses for cheap

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bindi:

guess 3 of those would work

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wagnerrp:

sadly, its not supported

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wagnerrp:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Anysee

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wagnerrp:

erm... nevermind

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balor:

Should the mysql on my master backend listen on it's public IP, if I want to use a frontend on a different client?

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wagnerrp:

the K30 isnt supported

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wagnerrp:

balor: if you want to use a remote frontend, the backend must be set to listen on a routable IP

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wagnerrp:

that means something other than 127.0.0.1

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bindi:

yeah i checked its supported

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balor:

wagnerrp: But this means MySql on the public IP, not just some mythtv specific protocol?

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wagnerrp:

bindi: yeah, i just saw the first thing marked '30' as not supported

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wagnerrp:

balor: are your machines all on the public internet?

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wagnerrp:

most people have their machine on a private intranet, with a NAT router

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balor:

wagnerrp: It's private LAN

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wagnerrp:

then its not on a public IP

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balor:

ok, it's in the 10.* range

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wagnerrp:

private IPs would be anything on the 10/8, 172.16/16, and 196.168/16 ranges

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend requires access to both mysql and your mythbackend over the network

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balor:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

if you are using a remote frontend, both of those must be listening on an ip other than localhost

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, its up to you to ensure your network is secure

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wagnerrp:

mysql has its own password authentication

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wagnerrp:

but mythtv has no security what so ever

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clever:

the UPNP in mythtv will also somewhat openly share the mysql name/pw

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tzanger:

good evening everyone... I'm having just a touch of trouble specifying the audio ouptut device for a frontend

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wagnerrp:

the UPNP server will just let people find it on the network

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wagnerrp:

the XML server optionally allows you to query for the database username and password

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tzanger:

mplayer works with -ao alsa:device=hw=1.7

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wagnerrp:

if you pass a PIN check

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tzanger:

so I'm thinking that the setting in the frontend settings should be hw:1,7

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wagnerrp:

but since you can just query the same XML server for the pin itself

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wagnerrp:

its not intended as a security measure, so much as allowing multiple backends to operate independently on the same broadcast segment

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clever:

and the pin isnt too long, enless it has throttling limits you can probly brute force it anyways

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wagnerrp:

clever: http://<your backend>:6544/Myth/GetSetting?Key=SecurityPin&HostName=<your backend hostname>

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awalls:

If auth material (the PIN) goes plaintext over the wire, then one really needs to use IPSec (if one cares that much)

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wagnerrp:

not secure in any sense of the term

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clever:

in the past, ive run a whole frontend over a VPN (mysql and mythtv protocols)

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wagnerrp:

awalls: its not intended as security, but merely to allow you to filter out UPNP broadcasts from multiple independent mythtv systems on the network

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clever:

it lagged like hell

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wagnerrp:

so for instance on a campus network, you have multiple people running backends

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awalls:

wagnerrp: understood.

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wagnerrp:

you dont want your frontend automatically connecting to the guy's backend down the hall

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clever:

and upgrading his database

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awalls:

Depends on what they guy down the hall has recorded. ;)

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wagnerrp:

... of course you wouldnt want to run on such a secure system anyway

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wagnerrp:

s/secure/insecure/

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wagnerrp:

considering that guy down the hall could connect to yours and delete all your contents

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clever:

id bring my own router and create a private subnet

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clever:

ive done it at hotels before, in one case the hotel charged per mac per day

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clever:

so 2 computers on the socket cost you double

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bindi:

think ill need an amp for splitting 1 signal into 3?

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wagnerrp:

cable or antenna?

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bindi:

cable

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psycodad:

bindi depends on signal strength

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wagnerrp:

cable, probably not

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psycodad:

i have 1 to 5

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psycodad:

passive, and if signal is ok i have no loss.

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wagnerrp:

at least over here, our cable providers usually provide power for around 4 devices before you start to have problems

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bindi:

http://www.vekoy.com/product_info.php?cPath=8 . . . ucts_id=5574 guess this'll do then

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wagnerrp:

tuner cards tend to be more finicky than those available in TVs

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tzanger:

bah now this p4 3.4GHz is a little underpowered for an ATSC backend

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wagnerrp:

tzanger: only if you intend to do a lot of commflagging/transcoding

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, its plenty powerful to run the scheduler

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: nah, it's having trouble pulling the stream to disk and feeding it to a frontend

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

you got problems other than lack of power

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wagnerrp:

even the people foolishly trying to use sheevaplugs for their backend can manage that

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tzanger:

1.3–1.6 loadavg, lots of disk/netowrk i/o and between 13 and 25% cpu time in wait

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psycodad:

i run 4* pvr150 in a 3GHz p4 with 5 backends happily sucking content

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psycodad:

r/backend/frontend/

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tzanger:

actually you know what it might very well be... software raid

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tzanger:

it's 2xRAID1 with LVM on top of that

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be running raid for recordings

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tzanger:

no, it's storing more than just recordings, I need to separate off the actual fileserving

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wagnerrp:

well... raid1 requires next to know processing capability

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wagnerrp:

its just duplicating data onto both controllers

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tzanger:

yeah I thought it was raid5 until I checked

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wagnerrp:

s/know/no/

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tzanger:

the CPU's mostly idle, I must be having trouble with network or the atsc card driver

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psycodad:

tzanger: check your disk io on backend with dd and then check network throughput with either ftp or dd on a nfs share on the backend

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psycodad:

happy new year fellow myth users! here (.ch) the clock just ticked over

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clever:

psycodad, tzanger: you can also check network usage with iftop

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psycodad:

clever: but that doesn't show you if there is a problem.. it just shows how much the IF is loaded with traffic

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clever:

yeah

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psycodad:

except maybe packet Ãloss on the direct link fom backend to hub/switch

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zoran119:

i cannot play a video file... the frontend log says that the appropriate a/v decoder cannot be found

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zoran119:

how do i go about fixing this?

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zoran119:

the file is just the result of 'mplayer -dumpstram'

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tzanger:

hmm... is there any way to tell hulu/flash which audio device to use?

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