Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, December 30th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

nichos, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127454

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iamlindoro:

Buy a GT 4xx series, or failing that, a GT 2xx series

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wagnerrp:

if you are using DVI or HDMI, go for a GT210, 220, or 430

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kormoc:

random first hit for fanless nvidia >= 9000

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wagnerrp:

if you need svideo/component, then a 9500 is probably what you want

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nichos:

is 512 enough?

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iamlindoro:

512, and no less

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nichos:

i'll be using HDMI

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russell5:

i just got a gt220 for like 50 bucks

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wagnerrp:

then if you dont mind spending a bit more, get one of the GT cards

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russell5:

works great

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iamlindoro:

does not matter at all

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nichos:

that msi 210 is only $10, seems too good to be true:)

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kormoc:

nichos, you know newegg has a power search where you get to put in all your requirements and it gives you a nice list of everything that meets those requirements

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iamlindoro:

Unless you hope to bitstream high definition audio to your receiver, in which case you *must* buy a GT 4xx

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wagnerrp:

the GT cards have integrated audio, the 9xxx series require you use SPDIF with a 2-pin cable from your sound card

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iamlindoro:

if you don't have a receiver capable of TrueHD, DTS-HD, or E-AC3, then a GT 2xx will do

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nichos:

my receiver does have DTS, but no HDMI, currently I'm using the SPDIF and will probably do that with the new one too

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iamlindoro:

DTS is not DTS-HD

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iamlindoro:

if it doesn't have HDMI, it doesn't do DTS-HD

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iamlindoro:

or TrueHD, or E-AC3

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iamlindoro:

so buy whatever

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nichos:

ya, it's a bit older, but it might be the next gift to myself;)

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nichos:

so I should get a GT to plan for the future

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iamlindoro:

If you plan to bitread HD audio codes, a GT *4xx* and no less

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iamlindoro:

not just any GT

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iamlindoro:

er bitstream

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iamlindoro:

and codecs

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nichos:

the 430 is $85, a bit too much

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nichos:

perhaps i'll go with the 210 and then upgrade later

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high-rez:

You can find em a bit cheaper. I found the 210 wasn't quite enough to do 2x advanced.

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high-rez:

The price difference, especially if you're thinking of getting a modern receiver, for a 430 is so low – that I'd get the 430...

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nichos:

high-rez on its $85 vs $10

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high-rez:

You *will* appreciate the ability to bitstream the hd codecs :)

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iamlindoro:

meh

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high-rez:

Again, I don't think the 210 is a good enough card.

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high-rez:

imho

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high-rez:

I've had an 8600, 210, 240 and now 430. I thought the 8600, 240, and 430 were good enough, but I saw some chop with the 210.

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kormoc:

high-rez, my 9400m handles 1x advanced just fine, why wouldn't the 210?

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nichos:

hmmmm

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high-rez:

ymmv

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high-rez:

kormoc: hq scaling w/h264 1080i ?

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iamlindoro:

if you are using 1080, why would you need to scale?

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kormoc:

high-rez, hq scaling?

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kormoc:

I have a 1080 tv, no need to scale 1080 video

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high-rez:

iamlindoro: I just have a single profile. :)

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iamlindoro:

high-rez, so?

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iamlindoro:

It won't engage if it's not needed

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high-rez:

So I also have SD content.

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iamlindoro:

then it's not 1080

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iamlindoro:

and scaling SD content is trivial

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iamlindoro:

You will never use HQ scaling with 1080 content

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iamlindoro:

and scaling 480/576 content is a joke

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high-rez:

Even with the source is 1440x1080 ?

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iamlindoro:

even then

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high-rez:

but needs to be streteched?

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high-rez:

huh

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iamlindoro:

no

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high-rez:

I dunno, i saw chop with the 210.

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nichos:

so i should get a 9600 if that's the case

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high-rez:

Don't get me wrong, it was good enough till it burned up.

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high-rez:

Ithin the 9600 is actually crappier than the 8600 ?

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kormoc:

nichos, get the 210 or higher. why bother looking lower for more money?

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high-rez:

nichoes: *especially* if you expect to get a modern receiver. The 210/220/240 can at least to proper lpcm.

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[R]:

that's definatly what she said

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nichos:

ok, for $10 I'll get the 210, then I won't feel bad if it sucks, it's only $10

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nichos:

I think that's it, going to order tonight

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nichos:

getting this MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402 and this chip: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871

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high-rez:

Which card is $10 ?

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nichos:

with 8GB of ram and a green drive

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nichos:

high-rez http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127454

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high-rez:

thats a ton of ram

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kormoc:

high-rez, the msi one I linked to

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high-rez:

oh after MIR

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high-rez:

i see it

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nichos:

i have 4 HD tuners (2 of the HD home run)

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high-rez:

the other 2?

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wagnerrp:

does anyone else think the 'this side fullscreen, reverse side widescreen' is done backwards?

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nichos:

each hd hr has 2 tuners

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high-rez:

ahh ok

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: I think fullscreen is just generally wrong ;)

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nichos:

thanks for the help all

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just flip it?

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high-rez:

I accidently bought a full screen DVD once back in the day :(

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i mean it says 'widescreen reverse side'

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wagnerrp:

so i think... the data i want is on the opposite side

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wagnerrp:

so i put the opposite side down facing the laser

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wagnerrp:

except... im completely wrong

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

so this side was widescreen?

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wagnerrp:

so when they say the reverse side is widescreen

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wagnerrp:

they mean the reverse side is the side you want up when you put it in the player

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stuartm:

the one double-sided DVD I owned was so badly scratched that I replaced it this month with the bluray release

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stuartm:

it was annoying that the extras were only on the one side, with the 4:3 version

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jams:

wagnerrp- yes i agree with you

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wagnerrp:

ive actually got a fair number of those double-sided 4:3/16:9 disks

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jams:

i'm still confused by them

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wagnerrp:

i can use them now, but i have to consciously realize that apparently the rest of the world thinks backwards

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wagnerrp:

(because of course i couldnt be thinking backwards)

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wagnerrp:

:)

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kormoc:

ooh, I get it

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kormoc:

it's the label for the data, not the side up to play

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Razal:

I'm back at troubleshooting my new install. Something I realized a bit earlier is I set a Security PIN in mythtv-setup, yet the frontends found the backend and never prompted for a PIN. If I look in the settings table, I see my PIN with hostname for the backend, and rows for my frontends containing SetupPinCodeRequired 0. I'm not sure how those values are supposed to be set/used. Is this just a symptom of something borked with my db

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: right

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wagnerrp:

it seems backwards because we understand how the mechanism works, and were over thinking it

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Razal:

it's backwards because we're old and that's how it was on LPs =)

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wagnerrp:

well on LPs, the data side WAS up

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bergqvistjl:

hi, has anyone had problems with lirc on mythbuntu 10.10 when upgrading via autobuilds to mythtv 0.24?

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wagnerrp:

Razal: the security pin is only used for auto detection

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bergqvistjl:

specifically, well in my case its the Windows media centre remote with the USB reciever

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wagnerrp:

if a frontend doesnt know where the database is

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wagnerrp:

it searches for the backend over UPNP

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wagnerrp:

if it finds a backend, it pulls up some webpage served by the backend

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wagnerrp:

and the PIN is more to ensure you are using the correct backend if you have more than one on the network

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wagnerrp:

than any real kind of security

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bergqvistjl:

also (completely different), is it now the case that you HAVE to have a tuner card defined on your system for the backend to work?

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wagnerrp:

that is correct, it was a sanity check added to the scheduler that caused mythbackend to fail if improperly configured

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bergqvistjl:

ah right.

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Razal:

wagnerrp: right, I understood that. I set it mainly to try it out since I hadn't before =) One of my frontends, I manually configured, the other configured over UPnP and still didn't ask for PIN

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wagnerrp:

with the unintended consequence that tunerless operation outright does not work

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wagnerrp:

but since tunerless operation has never been officially supported

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt seen as something that needed to be corrected in the near term

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bergqvistjl:

I used mythtv as a nice GUI for all my media stuff before I had a tuner lol

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wagnerrp:

is the PIN set to 0000?

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Razal:

when does SetupPinCodeRequired get set? Negative on the PIN = 0000.

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wagnerrp:

until the last year or so, mythtv really wasnt a nice GUI for all your media stuff

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo is now significantly improved

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wagnerrp:

but pictures and music still leave much to be desired

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wagnerrp:

Razal: its in one of the first couple pages in mythtv-setup

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Razal:

music has improved quite a bit since I first tried it, at least

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bergqvistjl:

Some of the themes in 0.24 are just awful though

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bergqvistjl:

i mean literal bits missing

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Razal:

so the logic is if PIN != 0000, set SecurityPin=nnnn && set SetupPinCodeRequired to 1 for all hosts?

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bergqvistjl:

in the graphite theme, try defining your own file types for the video scanner to ignore. The buttons to add a new type, save it or delete it dont have text on them. :(

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Razal:

er, make that ….nnnn for backend &&....

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wagnerrp:

Razal: if the pin is undefined or blank, upnp autodetection is turned off completely

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wagnerrp:

if the pin is 0000, the pin is disabled, and any pin is allowed to retrieve the database credentials from that webpage

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wagnerrp:

if the pin is anything else, it requires a matching pin, or the webpage refused connection

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Razal:

The reason I'm confused is because in my settings, SecurityPin is set, and SetupPinCodeRequired is 0. If I'm reading you, it would be 0 if frontend was manually configured, yes?

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wagnerrp:

bergqvistjl: the graphite theme is one of the more complete ones out of the bunch

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wagnerrp:

if you are seeing such problems, i would bet youre running an old version of the theme, against a new version of the theme engine

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iamlindoro:

and those buttons do have text, unless your copy of the theme is out of date

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bergqvistjl:

well it doesnt like 1080p

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wagnerrp:

and some tags had changed since then

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bergqvistjl:

no, i checked out the latest version

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bergqvistjl:

last night

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iamlindoro:

You can't check it out from anywhere

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iamlindoro:

it's privately hosted

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[R]:

that's what she said

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bergqvistjl:

well Mythbuntu auto-builds downloaded the lastest version for me

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bergqvistjl:

and it usually updates nightly

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iamlindoro:

no, it didn't

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iamlindoro:

since the current version has text for those buttons

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bergqvistjl:

ah ok

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bergqvistjl:

where can I get the latest version from then?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite.tar.gz

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bergqvistjl:

cool thanks

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bergqvistjl:

are there any themes that use all the fanart at the same time?

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wagnerrp:

all the fanart at the same time?

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bergqvistjl:

ive noticed hardly any use the banner art, which I think would look nice overlaid over the title

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bergqvistjl:

since most banner art includes the title written on it.

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iamlindoro:

fanart is one type of art, banner art isn't fanart

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iamlindoro:

the four types of artwork are fanart, banner, screenshot, and coverart

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wagnerrp:

its very hard to overlay text over unknown images, and have it both be readable and not look like crap

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bergqvistjl:

sorry, i meant all the types of art

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bergqvistjl:

no

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bergqvistjl:

I meant overlay the image over the text

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iamlindoro:

None of the themes I'm aware of use all four, too cluttered

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sphery:

what happened to nuvexport repo... I'm receiving tons of data on it--have 80MB at 18%

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wagnerrp:

you cant pick a color that would stand out and be readable without know what the image is before hand

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wagnerrp:

unless you do some very different two-tone text, which would look like crap

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bergqvistjl:

No.

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wagnerrp:

or are you saying use the title as a sort of 'alternate text' if the image isnt available?

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bergqvistjl:

just place the image at the top of the screen where the title is written

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bergqvistjl:

*where the title is normally written

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bergqvistjl:

so instead of the title, it displays the bannerart

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bergqvistjl:

do you get what i mean?

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sphery:

ah, wait, it's the packaging repo

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wagnerrp:

yeah, like the 'alternate text' on web pages

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bergqvistjl:

2 secs ill make a mockup

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sphery:

why does packaging now have all of mythtv, mythplugins, and checksums in it?

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sphery:

sub-repo stuff

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sphery:

ok, well either I'm too clueless on git or now everyone who has a copy of packaging has a copy of the mythtv repo under it--so I'll never again update packaging

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wagnerrp:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

"Video card is a eVGA GEFORCE 6200 APG. I am trying to get the Nvidia VDPAU to work so I can play HD content smoothly."

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bergqvistjl:

ok 2 secs uploading what i mean

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wagnerrp:

bergqvistjl: right, i get it... have an image at the top with the title as an alternate text

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but the box says it supports purevideo

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: youve got the same LG H20L drive, right?

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iamlindoro:

same as who?

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iamlindoro:

LG GGC-H20L

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wagnerrp:

as me, i think its one you recommended years ago

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bergqvistjl:

OK, imagine that the program shown on the mockup (original is here: http://mythtv.org/w/images/1/16/Arclight.png) isn't Firefly but is Top gear, see what i've done, the series title (which by default is text), has been replaced with the banner image, which has the series logo in it): http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8347/arclightwithbanner.png

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

ah, then probably yeah

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wagnerrp:

ever notice its slow as a dog?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

have you flashed the firmware?

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iamlindoro:

Blu-ray drives are riplocked

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wagnerrp:

no, still running stock

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wagnerrp:

and these are bluray

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wagnerrp:

erm... DVDs

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iamlindoro:

you can remove the riplock (as well as get VIDs/VUK without the PK) if you flash the firmware

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iamlindoro:

same riplock

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering, because ive got an el cheapo $30 DVD burner that is running twice as fast

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iamlindoro:

likely not riplocked :)

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sphery:

oops

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bergqvistjl:

what do you think wagnerrp?

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wagnerrp:

is that just an artificial governor if it picks up encrypted content?

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sphery:

I forgot my rolls--which should have been finished raising 2 1/2 hours ago

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sphery:

stupid mythtv distracting me

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iamlindoro:

OVERPROOF'D

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** iamlindoro is a cooking geek **

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wagnerrp:

i think i agree with what iamlindoro was saying, theres just too much there in that corner

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

it appears cluttered

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sphery:

I seem to have airballs, instead of rolls

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wagnerrp:

i think the banner might look nice at the top of the list on the right

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sphery:

on the bright side, it's like a slightly warm refrigerator in my house

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sphery:

otherwise, I probably couldn't have gotten into the kitchen (because they would have raised to fillthe whole kitchen)

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bergqvistjl:

it depends on how the theme does things

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bergqvistjl:

I think it would look nicer if the banner/text title was at the top in the centre

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bergqvistjl:

im also working on something else tho 2 secs

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bergqvistjl:

this could look better

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bergqvistjl:

I just want to see banner art used more though

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bergqvistjl:

it seems very neglected

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wagnerrp:

do playback groups allow you to set a default time stretch?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: guess it's time for you to teach the php bindings the basics (things like the proto and schema version checks)

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wagnerrp:

its got proto checks, no schema checks

[01:11:10]

** wagnerrp whines "why me" **

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

didn't notice the proto check

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wagnerrp:

well i assume it does proto checks

[01:11:44]

sphery:

may not need to mention schema check

[01:11:45]

wagnerrp:

it kinda has to do proto checks though

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sphery:

it will become obvious as we switch to recordedfile schema :)

[01:12:04]

wagnerrp:

there is no real choice in the matter

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sphery:

I don't see any proto check in there

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wagnerrp:

the backend will refuse connection if it fails a proto check

[01:12:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Playback groups do have a Time Stretch associated with them.

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sphery:

ah, there it is

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sphery:

has token, too

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wagnerrp:

so you can define a playback rule with a time stretch in the frontend, and then use it to map that to a recording rule in mythweb

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sphery:

yeah, but they haven't been used at all, yet

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wagnerrp:

the backend will refuse connection if it fails to provide a proto token

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sphery:

there've just been sitting in the mythweb dirs until recently

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wagnerrp:

what are you talking about

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wagnerrp:

theyve been used for years

[01:13:36]

sphery:

no

[01:13:39]

sphery:

they've been there unused

[01:13:40]

wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

mythweb pulls from them

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sphery:

the plan was to switch to them, but I'm pretty sure they weren't using them

[01:14:36]

baffle:

I have this strange problem with MythTV; I am unable to switch between channels on the same transponder in Live TV. This is 0.24 on DVB-C.

[01:14:41]

sphery:

no occurrence of MythBackend.php anywhere in mythweb

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baffle:

Anyone have any idea what is wrong?

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sphery:

pretty sure they were the start of an implementation that was left sitting there because there were other things to do and not enough time :)

[01:15:32]

bergqvistjl:

OK this is a bit different, ive used the same original image, but imagine this is a Watch Recordings menu. (obvs you'd have stuff around the images to blur/obscure the edges so the colour changes and lines aren't too jarring. Also, although i've only done it for the first one, the episode title now goes on the right next to the episode number: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9270/arclightwithbanner2.png

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sphery:

baffle: do you mean you get stuck on one transponder, or you can't use the same transponder?

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baffle:

sphery: I can't use the same transponder; If I switch to a channel on another transponder, and then switch to the channel I *wanted* to switch to, it works. If I switch to a channel on the same transponder, I get an error "Error opening jump program file".

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ah, youre right... seems they were pulling from modules/tv/classes/

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sphery:

baffle: hmmm... not sure about that--but I can say that Live TV is rather finicky

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baffle:

sphery: More now than before, it seems. :-)

[01:18:05]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, those were the old parts that they planned to genericize

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** wagnerrp wonders how to handle the Addams Family disk **

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bergqvistjl:

Does XMBC now do native tv tuner integration yet?

[01:18:31]

baffle:

sphery: I've tried disabling multirec by setting number of recordings to 1, but that doesn't seem to do the trick either.

[01:18:41]

wagnerrp:

tvheadend sortof provides native integration

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wagnerrp:

and really, that image looks even more out of place

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baffle:

sphery: Actually, I have now dropped the db and reinstalled completly, and set number of recordings to 1 to ensure that there is no leftover data in the DB.

[01:19:36]

baffle:

sphery: It still says "On known multiplex" when I switch. Dunno if that is part of the problem.

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bergqvistjl:

lol true, but imagine it with some nice blurring round the edges.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any suggestion on how to handle this addams family disk? both movies on the same image

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wagnerrp:

basically, the same dilemma as people with TV DVDs

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baffle:

sphery: Oh, it actually worked once now. But failed when I tried to switch back. :-)

[01:21:39]

baffle:

sphery: But it seems to work 1 out of 50 times or so.

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sphery:

yeah, all I could say is, "sounds like live tv to me"

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wagnerrp:

i think ill leave the VOBs around for that one for now

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sphery:

I don't use Live TV, so I don't really know much about it--except that it seems to fail a lot

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[R]:

hehe

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[R]:

that's what she said

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bergqvistjl:

Despite the fact that in my opinion mythbuntu is now a POS, i still have loyalty to mythtv

[01:24:12]

bergqvistjl:

although i have yet to find a perfect theme

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[R]:

blue abstract has won my heart

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[R]:

hehe

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bergqvistjl:

I have a dual core cpu clocked to 4.4ghz and Arclight still struggles lol

[01:24:57]

bergqvistjl:

bleu abstract is nice

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wagnerrp:

any struggling should only occur at worst on the first pass through

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bergqvistjl:

no

[01:25:26]

bergqvistjl:

every time

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wagnerrp:

where the UI is scaling images and caching them

[01:25:39]

wagnerrp:

once theyre cached, the only delay would be reading from your hard drive

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bergqvistjl:

well how come the delay increased substantially when i turned the overclocking off

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baffle:

sphery: Yeah, I kind of agree. Problem is WAF. :-)

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wagnerrp:

ideally, we could scrap the Qt painter and go full OpenGL

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bergqvistjl:

i am using opengl to draw the theme, rather than Qt

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wagnerrp:

at which point no scaling would be necessary

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bergqvistjl:

but yeah it hangs slightly when using arclight every time i load the OSD menu, or an OSD graphic comes up.

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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sphery:

baffle: heh, just make MythTV record everything she could possibly want to watch, then she'll never use Live TV, again

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sphery:

(since you can watch while it records)

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bergqvistjl:

XFX GTX 275

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bergqvistjl:

I use liveTV more than recording

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wagnerrp:

well i cant blame it on the card then...

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bergqvistjl:

4GB DDR2 RAM

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bergqvistjl:

intel Dual core 8600 standard clock 3GHz overclocked to 4.4Ghz

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bergqvistjl:

or 4.3 cant remember exactly

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bergqvistjl:

1 terabyte samsung F1 HDD

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baffle:

sphery: No, she wants to be able to browse realtime. I've tried. It's not that she doesn't understand, heck, she has to SSH into the backend server to restart mythtv all the time... :-)

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wagnerrp:

baffle: why is that?

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[R]:

restart the backend?

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[R]:

i havent had to do that in years

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wagnerrp:

i cant recall the last time ive had to restart the backend

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bergqvistjl:

i do it all the goddam time

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[R]:

i tkae that back

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[R]:

there was one time

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wagnerrp:

and my frontend is on an inittab loop, should it go down, it starts back up automatically

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[R]:

the frontend crashed starting livetv

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[R]:

and the backend thought it ws still going

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bergqvistjl:

mainly cos my only PC running mythbuntu doesnt finish booting every now and then

[01:30:13]

bergqvistjl:

it hangs once every 2 or 3 times even before X has started, and not always in the same place.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, those orphaned livetv chains have mostly been resolved

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bergqvistjl:

but yeah thats a general thing, did that with regular ubuntu as well

[01:30:33]

bergqvistjl:

I have no idea whats causing it

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baffle:

wagnerrp: Probably related to the softcam I have to use, the cardreader-code seems a bit broken. I've replaced it with a cardserver instead, so hopefully it will be more stable. Hopefully. (3 tuner cards, 1 smartcard reader. No CI interfaces on tuner cards.)

[01:31:02]

wagnerrp:

see... now there you go

[01:31:12]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Softcam

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wagnerrp:

now we cant help you because youre not running mythtv

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wagnerrp:

your using some custom heavily patched fork

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[R]:

mmm

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baffle:

wagnerrp: Not related to my problem.

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[R]:

a patched fork

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[R]:

sounds tasy

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wagnerrp:

yes it is, because mythtv only supports CAMs tied directly into the tuner

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baffle:

wagnerrp: (It happens with unencrypted channels as well)

[01:32:48]

wagnerrp:

it has to come out of the tuner unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

and yes it still does matter

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wagnerrp:

because who knows what all else had to get patched to allow the softcam to function

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wagnerrp:

you arent running mythtv, youre running something based off mythtv

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baffle:

wagnerrp: I'm running stock mythbuntu packages.

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bergqvistjl:

by the way guys, theres now a real DVB-T2 PCI-E card for all the guys in the UK who use Freeview HD (first one ever), made by BlackGold.

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bergqvistjl:

(woot. i'd get it but there will be no drivers i suspect lol)

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wagnerrp:

you mean a BlackGold card made by GDI?

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bergqvistjl:

http://shop.blackgold.tv/BGT3620

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bergqvistjl:

this one

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bergqvistjl:

do you know about DVB-T2?

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wagnerrp:

well the linuxtv claims the company name is actually GDI

[01:40:55]

bergqvistjl:

could be

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wagnerrp:

maybe they spun the brand off into a subsidiary or something

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bergqvistjl:

im not sure whether Freeview went ahead to encrypt dvb-t2 though

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bergqvistjl:

which would make it a problem to try and get it working with open source stuff

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bergqvistjl:

someone posted this in a forum about that card: "I tried booting into Mythbuntu (Kubutnu 10.10)... There are no obvious drivers yet, but as I think its a Sony chip below the gold cover, someone will start to figure out and post the means to at least get DVB-T streams out of it.... I guess DVB-C has its own chip, so may already work?"

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bergqvistjl:

seeing as DVB-T2 is a complete overhaul of DVB-T (uses mpeg4 i think, could be wrong though) it might be a challege possibly to unpick the standard

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wagnerrp:

dvb-t allows for h264, the BBC has used it for some time

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bergqvistjl:

im on about dvb-t2

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sphery:

xris / wagnerrp: it will be interesting to see if git is smart enough not to push the 350MB then delete it

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bergqvistjl:

its a completely new standard, no-one else in the world uses it currently

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sphery:

(push to the client doing the pull, that is... bad choice of words)

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bergqvistjl:

DVB-T in the UK is standard definition, DVB-T2 in the UK is being used for high definition

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bergqvistjl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T2

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wagnerrp:

unless youre saying it uses mpeg4 the container... and i really dont know what advantages it would have over an mpeg2ts

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wagnerrp:

and DVB-T support high definition content right now

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, BBC uses it for HD h264 broadcasts

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bergqvistjl:

the bbc uses dvb-t2, not dvb-t for HD

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wagnerrp:

in fact, when they first started doing it, they had the most computer crushing content around

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baffle:

We use DVB-T for HD in Norway.

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wagnerrp:

single sliced CABAC h264, around 20mbps

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wagnerrp:

you can only decode it single threaded

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bergqvistjl:

and yeah I think dvb-t2 uses h264, my mistake

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bergqvistjl:

yeah BBC reduced the bandwith of their HD channels a while ago to much outcry

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wagnerrp:

and you require a 3.5GHz Core2 or so to do it in software

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wagnerrp:

they could have just made it multi-sliced, and everyone would be happy

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kormoc:

sphery, big commit?

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wagnerrp:

hardware decoders dont care

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wagnerrp:

and multi-slicing would have allowed CPU decoders to have a shot at it with any halfway decent processor

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bergqvistjl:

yeah everyone else in europe has HD on DVB-T, yet we have to go and mess everything up by putting ours on a new standard haha

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, packaging accidentally got mythtv repo (with mythplugins and checksums) into it

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wagnerrp:

well, everyone would be happy except for the people complaining about their 10GB/hr recordings

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bergqvistjl:

lol true

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wagnerrp:

when 'i can record a full length bluray movie in only 8GB'

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bergqvistjl:

but if its quality you want though...

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wagnerrp:

i would /absolutely love/ to get 20mbps h264 broadcasts over here in the states

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bergqvistjl:

tbf ive seen terabyte drives for £50, thats not too bad.

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wagnerrp:

instead, im getting crappy 12–14mbps mpeg2

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bergqvistjl:

still though at the mo in the UK for freeivew, we only have 4 HD channels so its not too bad.

[01:49:27]

bergqvistjl:

more channels on sky though

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bergqvistjl:

Ideally i'm going to get freesat hopefully, and point it at the sattelites I want :D

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kormoc:

jesus, 204 megabyte git pull

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sphery:

kormoc: for packaging?

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kormoc:

yes

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sphery:

after or at 2a1f72169edde42 ?

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kormoc:

current HEAD

[01:51:15]

sphery:

then it's going to download mythtv repo and just delete it :(

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xris:

sphery: it will unfortunately keep the whole pile of crap around because it's in the history

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sphery:

:(

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xris:

I have no idea how the hell that stuff got added

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sphery:

on the bright side, people will only have to do it once :)

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kormoc:

sooo much faster then using applied differences eh :P

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xris:

I could delete the commits, but the next push someone makes would put everything back

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xris:

kormoc: somehow I added the entire mythtv tree into packaging last night

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sphery:

and since probably a lot of people don't even check out the packaging repo, they wono't update past it

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sphery:

wonder if new checkouts are huge?

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kormoc:

sphery, yes, they are

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xris:

checkout pulls the entire repo history

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xris:

I can force push a new copy that doesn't have the mythtv stuff, but everyone else will have to re-checkout origin/master

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sphery:

ahhh

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bergqvistjl:

lol the US had HD in 1998 and the UK is still in a stage of "Early adoption according to wikipedia" we only got it in 2006

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bergqvistjl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_ . . . ited_Kingdom

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xris:

I'll *happily* do that if others are up to it

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sphery:

heh, call it "growing pains"?

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xris:

moving to #mythtv

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sphery:

heh, before, my tar.bz2 of packaging was 868,410 bytes, now it's 185,753,304 bytes

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xris:

so anyone have a problem with me pushing that stuff away from oriigin/master?

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xris:

it'll mean anyone using packaging needs to check out origin/master again

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xris:

kormoc / sphery ^^^

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sphery:

xris: I'm not really a user--I just have a copy for completeness more than anything. Might want to ask superm1 and j-rot in #mythtv.

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sphery:

er, j-rod, that is

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sphery:

that was an innocent typo--not a Freudian slip

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wagnerrp:

and they say we should have 'just used the existing standards'

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baffle:

Is there any option in MythTV (in the DB or at compile time) to make it disregard the fact that a channel is on a known multiplex, and make it actually do a full tuning?

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[R]:

grrr

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[R]:

i've been defragging my 2.5tb for the past 2 days

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wagnerrp:

you have a 2.5TB hard drive, and it already needs to be defragged?

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

i have 3 drives that total 2.5

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[R]:

2 of my filesystesm were like 30%

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CLGSHAFT:

hello

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[R]:

is this whole episode of dog about them doing a book signing

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[R]:

wtf, that's so lame

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wagnerrp:

is this whole series of dog about some redneck with a mullet and paintball gun?

[02:50:18]

wagnerrp:

wtf, that's so lame

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wagnerrp:

:P

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

he also has like bear mace

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but dog is like a conundrum... hes a redneck... but hes super rich

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wagnerrp:

bear mace

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sphery:

[R]: btw, is this you? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

[02:51:30]

sphery:

and if so, which name should I use in the thanks for hte commit message

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wagnerrp:

its not going to prevent the bear from ripping your arm off, but at least hes going to feel really bad for a few hours afterwards

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[R]:

sphery: no

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[R]:

sphery: you can use either [R] or rbox

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

'its not me, but you can credit me anyway'

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[R]:

wagnerrp: lol

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sphery:

[R]: cool, thanks... just thought that might be you since he signs his messages "R" :)

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[R]:

yeah, i always was concerend people would confuse us

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[R]:

i rarely post to the ml

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sphery:

guess without the brackets, it's different, though

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wagnerrp:

sphery: he posts as ginsu squirrel or something

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[R]:

ginsu.squirrel

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[R]:

that was my persona before i was rbox

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sphery:

ah, I see

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[R]:

looks like all my squirrel nicks here were dropped

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[R]:

:(

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[R]:

dog had a police escort

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[R]:

i want a police escort

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Razal:

that's easy. Oh, with or without cuffs?

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[R]:

haha

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babelfish1:

I just bout a new HDTV (in the US) and am now looking to upgrade the mythbox, looking at tuners, many are dual/hybrid, am i correctly reading that even the ones called "dual" can only record ONE HD stream at a time (even OTA broadcast, not talking cable)?

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[R]:

dual what

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wagnerrp:

there are very few actual 'dual tuners'

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wagnerrp:

maybe 10–15 that i know of between ATSC and DVB

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wagnerrp:

most digital tuners are 'hybrid tuners'

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wagnerrp:

in that they can record digital or analog, but not both at the same time

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babelfish1:

e.g., the HVR2250, it throws the word dual around a lot, but it sure seems like what i would (naievely) call "hybrid"

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wagnerrp:

or they can record multiple forms of DVB, but only one at a time

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wagnerrp:

the HVR2250 is a dual hybrid

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wagnerrp:

it has two independent tuners, and each can do either digital or analog

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wagnerrp:

it also has two MPEG encoders tied into those two tuners for use in analog mode

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babelfish1:

so off of one HD antenna signal, i can record two digital streams at once?

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babelfish1:

or i need two digital inputs?

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babelfish1:

(i guess that is really a question about a splitter)

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wagnerrp:

there is only one antenna input on that card

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wagnerrp:

it has an internal splitter and amplifier

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wagnerrp:

some dual tuners are configured in that manner, others have independent inputs for their 2–4 tuners

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babelfish1:

so i want to be sure i am correctly interpreting, many cards that claim "dual digital" are bullshit, but the HVR2250 will actually record two digital streams simultaneously from one antenna input?

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wagnerrp:

please watch the language in this channel

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babelfish1:

can do

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-2250, the HDHomeRun, one or two of the DViCO cards, and maybe one or two others are the only dual tuners I know of for use in north america

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babelfish1:

interesting... newegg's price on it isn't so bad, considering...

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russell5:

i just got the 2250 and i like it so far

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babelfish1:

is it a troublesome card the way my PVR-350 is? that is, the pvr-350, while quite functional, was unique and so always posed problems in keeping things playing nice

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wagnerrp:

if you intend to use analog (for capture off a digital cable box for instance), i would absolutely recommend the 2250 or 1600

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wagnerrp:

the 350 was a troublesome card 5 years ago because the IVTV drivers were a pain to get working

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wagnerrp:

the IVTV cards are currently the recommended card for use with analog capture

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wagnerrp:

and are largely plug-and-play in modern distros and kernels

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babelfish1:

right, i understand. but hte point is that every issue always had to have an alternate resolution because it was the pvr-350 :)

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wagnerrp:

you werent trying to do accelerated video playback on the 350, were you?

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wagnerrp:

because thats a whole other can of works that should have just been avoided all together

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wagnerrp:

s/works/worms/

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babelfish1:

no, but that kind of question is indicative of the experience of owning the pvr-350 :)

[03:14:44]

babelfish1:

X out to the TV was the worst of hte worst, thankfully THAT is over

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babelfish1:

ok, so one more hypothetical about the 2250, if i plug an OTA HD antenna into the coax input, could i plug component/composite/s-video from a cable box into a second input?

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wagnerrp:

composite yes, svideo is preferred

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babelfish1:

right, well, i haven't looked at the back of the box in a while, so i don't recall my options

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wagnerrp:

you get one input on the back panel, and another input is accessible through a header on the board to a daughter card

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babelfish1:

so then i'd get two simultaneous recordings, one OTA, one via the cable box, and the internal splitter is ignored? or i have access to all 3 but can use only 2 at a time?

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wagnerrp:

while the video inputs go straight to the encoders, you can only use one tuner/encoder pair at a time

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wagnerrp:

meaning if you are using one of the tuners for digital tv, you cannot use its paired encoder for capture

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babelfish1:

was that a reference to livetv? let's assume for the moment i never use livetv.

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wagnerrp:

no, the 2250 only has two simultaneous, independent inputs

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wagnerrp:

you have two tuner/encoder pairs

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wagnerrp:

each pair can only be used for one task at a time

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wagnerrp:

you can either do baseband capture directly to the encoder, analog RF through the tuner into the encoder, or digital RF through the tuner only

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wagnerrp:

but you cannot do both digital RF and baseband capture at the same time

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wagnerrp:

only one of the three at a time

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wagnerrp:

but you have two pairs

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wagnerrp:

so you could do digital RF on one, and analog capture on the other

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[R]:

kinda like how some video cards have vga, dvi, and svideo, but you can't use all 3 at once

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wagnerrp:

exactly

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babelfish1:

wait, i'm sorry, i just got lost there.

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babelfish1:

lemme try to break my confusion down into parts :)

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[R]:

haha, little kid met dog and beth

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[R]:

and hes crying

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[R]:

ROFL

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babelfish1:

simplest situation, one cable on the coax input... is this what you're calling digital RF?

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derekj:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

any broadcast, whether OTA digital or analog cable is RF

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wagnerrp:

radio frequency, its a modulated signal

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derekj:

one coax can carry HD or SD programming

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wagnerrp:

composite, svideo, component, these are all baseband

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wagnerrp:

not modulated on a carrier frequency like RF

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babelfish1:

gothca, that makes sense. it was the latter point i didn't know

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wagnerrp:

coax doesnt really make sense because its all coax

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wagnerrp:

they just have different connectors

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babelfish1:

understood, i think the issue is that i'm thinking in terms of inputs rather than encoders

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wagnerrp:

mini-din, rg6, rca

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wagnerrp:

digital broadcasts are already mpeg2 in an mpeg2ts container

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wagnerrp:

its just a file copy to the system and the hard drive

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wagnerrp:

anything analog must be encoded before storage (unless you really want to capture extremely large raw files

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babelfish1:

and that most people use coax to refer to what i've just learned is rg6 :)

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wagnerrp:

rg6 is the threaded connector typically used for radio frequency in north america

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babelfish1:

so i see

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wagnerrp:

err no... rg6 is the cable use

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CLGSHAFT:

hey babelfish. do you have the 2250 working for digital, analogue, and svideo?

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wagnerrp:

F is the connector

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wagnerrp:

he doesnt have one, hes just researching for purchase

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CLGSHAFT:

i can only get the digital working so far

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babelfish1:

clgshaft, i am looking at buying one at the moment, still living in an old-school analog world with a pvr-350 and a comcast cable box, i enjoy little of it :)

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derekj:

babelfish1: you happen to be a sports fan?

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wagnerrp:

analog support for that card is available, but does not exist in the current kernel

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wagnerrp:

i believe it is slated to be included in 0.6.37

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wagnerrp:

2.6.37

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CLGSHAFT:

so i need to compile myself?

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babelfish1:

derekj, i do

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derekj:

babelfish1: cause if not, as crazy as this might sound, you might not even need a pvr

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wagnerrp:

CLGSHAFT, http://www.steventoth.net/blog/products/hvr-2250/

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wagnerrp:

theres at least one dev in here who owns one and uses it for analog

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babelfish1:

derekj- alas, i've already dropped espn, painful as it is, but there is still other cable programming i'm not quite ready to give up, and isn't easily purchased/streamed

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wagnerrp:

plus the driver dev who actually wrote it pops in occasionally

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CLGSHAFT:

ok

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CLGSHAFT:

i have tried, but i am a noob

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CLGSHAFT:

just joined here to try and solve all my mythtv issues

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CLGSHAFT:

lol

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babelfish1:

ok, so lemme get back to this issue of using the various tuners/encoders simultaneously. in a world where all iv'e done is plug is an OTA digital feed via the threaded f connector on my rg6 cable, can i, or can i not record two shows at once?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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CLGSHAFT:

you can record one digital and one analogue?

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wagnerrp:

you can actually record two multiplexes at once

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wagnerrp:

CLGSHAFT: if you get the drivers needed to support analog recording, yes

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wagnerrp:

babelfish1: digital broadcasts have multiple subchannels in a single physical channel

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babelfish1:

and both will be digital w the current kernel?

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CLGSHAFT:

can you record one digital, one analogue, and watch live tv on another?

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wagnerrp:

you can record multiple of those subchannels at once with a single digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

CLGSHAFT: another what? the card only has two tuners

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see Nick's request for a mention of mythwikiscripts on each of the wiki pages? Maybe add a reference to the Script info template you made?

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CLGSHAFT:

ok

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babelfish1:

wagnerrp: that's pretty cool. though none of my local channels do anything cool on the subchannels (i have a non-myth OTA tv in another room)

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CLGSHAFT:

i understand

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wagnerrp:

babelfish1: usually you get new or weather

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CLGSHAFT:

wagnerp, that kernel website has been down for a couple days

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[R]:

they have this one subchannel here

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wagnerrp:

but my CBS affiliate runs CW on their subchannel

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[R]:

its called like... i forget what it scalled... but its a catchy name

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[R]:

and they play old crap

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wagnerrp:

and my FOX affiliate has a movie subchannel

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wagnerrp:

MyTV

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wagnerrp:

PBS runs a bunch of subchannels with different shows

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[R]:

yeah, but that's PBS...

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babelfish1:

but i have two simultaneous digital recordings (of a multiplex, if desired) in that situation?

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wagnerrp:

CLGSHAFT: stoth's webpage is currently up, i just accessed it

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[R]:

babelfish1: you can record all the subchannels at once

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babelfish1:

yes, that part i get, but i'm asking if i could, for example, record CBS and NBC at the same time

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CLGSHAFT:

i can get to toth's site, but dont see any drivers

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wagnerrp:

if CBS and NBC are broadcast on the same channel by the same transmitter, sure

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babelfish1:

but obviously, they are usually not

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wagnerrp:

that depends

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wagnerrp:

i record off digital cable

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wagnerrp:

and my CBS and NBC actually happen to be on the same channel

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wagnerrp:

so yes, i do record them both simultaneously using a single tuner

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babelfish1:

is this a small town or something?

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wagnerrp:

a small town just shy of 3 million people

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babelfish1:

sigh, so i'm confused then. i seem to be misinterpreting "channel"

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wagnerrp:

with digital, you have a physical channel and a virtual channel

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[R]:

lucky

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[R]:

i have no "good" overlap on my QAM channels

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wagnerrp:

the physical channel is the transport signal modulated onto the RF carrier

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wagnerrp:

the multiplex

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wagnerrp:

that multiplex carries multiple virtual channels

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wagnerrp:

which exist as independent audio/video streams inside that transport

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babelfish1:

i see, so perhaps the better word to use would be "stations?"

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wagnerrp:

well not necessarily, since with digital cable, they arent stations

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babelfish1:

yes, i see your point. alas, we don't have common-use words to describe the digital environment

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wagnerrp:

anyway, a physical tuner tunes into that multiplex, or station if you prefer

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wagnerrp:

and can access any and all streams within that multiplex

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wagnerrp:

but for the purposes of mythtv, youre currently limited to 5 at a time

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babelfish1:

interesting

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babelfish1:

and myth is aware of which ones can be done simultaneously?

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wagnerrp:

so even though my CBS and NBC affiliates are completely separate entities, digital cable is free to mix and match those streams as they please

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babelfish1:

or is this knowledge i'd have to impart to it?

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wagnerrp:

and they just happened to stuff both of them into the same multiplex

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wagnerrp:

mythtv figures it all out when you scan for channels

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CLGSHAFT:

am i understanding this right, if you tune to one virtual channel, a multiplex, you can record all channels on that virtual channel? with one tuner?

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babelfish1:

and schedules accordingly

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wagnerrp:

yes and yes

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[R]:

CLGSHAFT: up to 5

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babelfish1:

alright, so i need to abstract upwards a step to decide on my physical setup

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wagnerrp:

the virtual channel is just one channel, the multiplex is the physical channel containing multiple virtual channels

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CLGSHAFT:

man, i wish i could do that. lol

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babelfish1:

let's assume i want to at all times record two simultaneous programs that are not on the same multiplex, can i do that with one OTA input source?

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[R]:

my cable compan yputs 9 SD digitals on one frequency

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[R]:

babelfish1: you need 2 tuners

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wagnerrp:

if you want to record two multiplexes simultaneously, you need two tuners

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babelfish1:

and the 2250 does or does not provide 2 tuners that are capable of doing that?

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wagnerrp:

whether those tuners share a single connector, and have an integrated splitter/amp, that depends on the card

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wagnerrp:

yes, it does

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CLGSHAFT:

i assume you are in the states. you can use a hauppauge card and get digital channels?

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babelfish1:

great, ok, this makes sense so far

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wagnerrp:

you can use any digital card, and get digital channels

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wagnerrp:

the hauppauge cards are only the recommended card for analog

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wagnerrp:

since theyre the only manufacturer who regularly makes encoder cards

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CLGSHAFT:

i only get analog channels from my cable provider

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babelfish1:

ok, now.. if i plug in a cable box using s-video (and here i realize the input mechanism begins to matter, for content protection issues), can i record two programs that are not on the same multiplex simultaneously?

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babelfish1:

(in that world, there is NO OTA input, just the box)

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wagnerrp:

you only have one analog output on the box

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babelfish1:

right, so the splitter in the 2250 is useless for the cable box, correct?

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[R]:

babelfish1: the sliptter is for RF

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wagnerrp:

that whole connector is useless

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wagnerrp:

since youre not going to be using the tuners at all

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[R]:

babelfish1: svideo isn't RF

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wagnerrp:

youre going to be using the svideo port

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babelfish1:

right, as i expected. just making sure

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babelfish1:

could i plug in two cable boxes and record one program from each of them simultaneously (assume they're on different mutiplexes so myth can't be fancy)?

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CLGSHAFT:

using a cable stb, or satellite, connected via svideo, how do you see nthe channels?

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CLGSHAFT:

one at a time?

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[R]:

CLGSHAFT: how?

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[R]:

CLGSHAFT: you see whatever the box is outputting

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CLGSHAFT:

connected to a 2250

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CLGSHAFT:

so you see the one channel you are tuned too

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wagnerrp:

the two cable boxes each have their own tuner, digital multiplexes are irrelevant at this point

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-2250 only has the one svideo input on the back

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derekj:

babelfish1: why would you even need to be plugged into a cablebox?

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wagnerrp:

you will have to use the daughter card to hit the second encoder

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[R]:

derekj: using a cable box is the only way t oget certain channels in some places

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babelfish1:

wagnerrp: i want to come back to something you said in a moment, but if i used composite and s-video, each for a box, i could then record two programs simultaneously?

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kormoc:

xris, keep in mind, we're asking users to use the packaging repo for their production machines

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xris:

kormoc: that's fine. it's only really an issue for people who have push access

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wagnerrp:

yes, you would have one box per channel, and each box would be plugged into one of the encoders on the 2250

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[R]:

babelfish1: if you use composite you'll want to gouge out your eyes

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xris:

and production machines should still be doing a clean clone each time.

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xris:

that's how packaging is supposed to work

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babelfish1:

r: agreed, i don't plan on having two boxes, i'm just trying to understand the makeup of the system, and exploring the boundaries ia good way to understand the inside :)

[03:53:16]

kormoc:

xris, no, they shouldn't

[03:53:17]

xris:

or rather, archive.

[03:53:24]

kormoc:

xris, that's absurd

[03:53:33]

[R]:

babelfish1: hell... i'd want to gouge out my eyes using svideo also...

[03:53:34]

xris:

it's upstream. packaging should never mimic upstream perfectly

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** kormoc blinks **

[03:53:43]

wagnerrp:

because the 2250 has an internal splitter, you cannot use the modulated (coax) output on the boxes to record from

[03:53:43]

kormoc:

xris, yes, it should

[03:53:53]

wagnerrp:

which means you need full cable boxes with proper video outputs

[03:53:54]

CLGSHAFT:

i have anolog cable going to a 950q, and the picture quality is awful

[03:54:01]

wagnerrp:

the 'miniboxes' dont cut it

[03:54:02]

babelfish1:

r- what would you recommend out of a box, given the limitations on hdmi and firewire content?

[03:54:15]

wagnerrp:

CLGSHAFT: thats because you have a 950q, which is only any good for digital

[03:54:20]

[R]:

babelfish1: only watching hd content recorded off component with an hpdvr

[03:54:26]

wagnerrp:

babelfish1: we cant do HDMI, its all going to be encrypted

[03:54:28]

xris:

kormoc: upstream packaging in this case is unstable stuff. which is officially *not* supported by MythTV.

[03:54:31]

kormoc:

xris, unless you want me to setup a rsyncable portage tree, git pull is easier

[03:54:36]

kormoc:

ugh...

[03:54:37]

CLGSHAFT:

so analogue would be beeter on my 2250?

[03:54:39]

babelfish1:

wagnerrp, yes, i know, that's why i was asking r what he was suggesting

[03:54:45]

kormoc:

xris, it's the same tree for gentoo

[03:54:55]

wagnerrp:

and firewire may or may not work depending on how your cable provider decides to flag the shows for copy protection

[03:55:13]

xris:

kormoc: like I said.. as long as you don't have push control, it doesn't matter

[03:55:20]

babelfish1:

ok, now, you said that out of a box, multiplexing is irrelevant, but you also said you have digital cable w/ multiplexing, do you have digital cable w/o a box? what kind of paradise do you live in?

[03:55:22]

wagnerrp:

CLGSHAFT: i cant speak on recording quality between the 950 and 2250

[03:55:36]

wagnerrp:

but the fact that the 950 is a framegrabber means youre going to have all sorts of hassle using it for analog

[03:55:40]

babelfish1:

i am familliar w/ the hdmi and firewire problems w/ hd content, i live in a comcast city, assume i can get nothing out of my box from those :)

[03:55:43]

[R]:

babelfish1: cable companies will put digital channels on the line unencrypted

[03:55:51]

[R]:

babelfish1: you can capture those with a digital tuner

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[R]:

babelfish1: w/o a cable box

[03:56:02]

babelfish1:

ah, the ones in the clear, gotcha

[03:56:02]

CLGSHAFT:

i have a 950q and a 2250. my current sources are analog cable, and ota digital/analog

[03:56:06]

wagnerrp:

the /must/ put your local broadcast channels on the line unencrypted

[03:56:22]

[R]:

wagnerrp: or what... the fcc is gonna fine you? /me laughs

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CLGSHAFT:

i cant get the 2250 working for analog, so I use it for digital

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babelfish1:

ok, i'm cool on this so far.

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wagnerrp:

[R]: erm... yes

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babelfish1:

so... let's say now that i plug a box into the s-video and OTA into my rf, (ignoring multiplexing)... i can record one program off the box AND one program OTA at the same time, right?

[03:58:22]

russell5:

yup

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wagnerrp:

yes, but they cannot use the same tuner/encoder pair

[03:58:37]

wagnerrp:

so you would need to put the two inputs into an input group

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wagnerrp:

so mythtv knows not to use both at the same time

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wagnerrp:

you have two analog and two digital inputs on that card, you can only use two at a time

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babelfish1:

oh... hmm... i think i understand about 40% of that, mind you, i've had exactly one tuner with one input in my now 6 years of myth, so i've ignored this stuff (to my peril, itseems)

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wagnerrp:

ok, consider a single card

[04:00:18]

wagnerrp:

the card has one tuner, and it has an encoder

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wagnerrp:

you can record through the tuner

[04:00:29]

wagnerrp:

or you can record through the encoder

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wagnerrp:

but you cant do both at the same time

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babelfish1:

i see

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wagnerrp:

so you put the two into an input group so the scheduler knows that, and behaves accordingly

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[R]:

theres a thats what she said somewhere in there

[04:01:01]

babelfish1:

gotcha

[04:01:08]

wagnerrp:

the 2250 is basically two of those cards on one board

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babelfish1:

this makes sense, i was failing to see the separation of the tuner and encoder, as i had mentally grouped them (as it seems i need to instruct myth to do)

[04:02:18]

wagnerrp:

in the hardware on the card, they are tied together

[04:02:22]

wagnerrp:

you can only use one at a time

[04:02:33]

wagnerrp:

but because of how the linux capture APIs are set up

[04:02:37]

babelfish1:

right, it hadn't occurred to me that myth would try to see them as separate

[04:02:38]

wagnerrp:

they appear as two independent devices

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babelfish1:

hence my confusion before

[04:02:52]

wagnerrp:

myth doesnt 'try' to, thats just how the system shows them

[04:03:05]

babelfish1:

sorry, i should know better than to personify software

[04:03:27]

wagnerrp:

thats not it, its just completely out of mythtv's control

[04:03:40]

babelfish1:

understood

[04:04:22]

babelfish1:

ok, so now for something perhaps crazy

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wagnerrp:

there could be some intelligence where it knows that a 2250 digital tuner is also supposed to have a mutually exclusive capture input

[04:04:44]

wagnerrp:

but i dont know enough about the APIs to know if mythtv could detect which one that is to handle auto-configuration

[04:05:30]

babelfish1:

if i have the box and the OTA both plugged in, can myth be smart enough to pick the two inputs (i.e., 1 box + 1 OTA or 2 OTA) that make the most sense for the current recording preferences... or am i locked into 1 box + 1 OTA?

[04:06:11]

wagnerrp:

mythtv will understand that you have two digital tuners and one analog input under its control

[04:06:27]

wagnerrp:

if you tell it, it will also understand that one of those digital tuners and the analog input are mutually exclusive

[04:06:42]

wagnerrp:

it will scheduler on all three according to availability and your recording rules

[04:07:15]

xtort-:

Recording groups

[04:07:18]

xtort-:

Use that

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babelfish1:

and, to make sure i didn't screw something up above, the analog is the box over component or S-video

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wagnerrp:

no, input groups

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wagnerrp:

recording groups are something completely different

[04:07:43]

wagnerrp:

babelfish1: correct

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xtort-:

That's what I meant, sorry

[04:07:59]

xtort-:

wagnerrp > xtort-

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babelfish1:

now, what about the analog/kernel issue, can i NOT do this w/o compiling my own?

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wagnerrp:

not currently, no

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babelfish1:

but at some point is the nearish future

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CLGSHAFT:

i have been trying to complie my 2250 analog for the last two days and the site is down

[04:09:32]

wagnerrp:

that some point may be 2.6.37, or may be 2.6.38

[04:09:35]

wagnerrp:

i dont know off hand

[04:09:38]

wagnerrp:

!seen stoth

[04:09:39]

MythLogBot:

stoth was last seen 8 days 4 hours 30 minutes 32 seconds ago

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babelfish1:

that sounds near-ish enough

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CLGSHAFT:

when the kernel is updated, will i ever have to compile again? or just after every update until they are included?

[04:10:30]

wagnerrp:

will you have to compile what?

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CLGSHAFT:

the drivers fro the 2250

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt, no

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CLGSHAFT:

i understand if I update my kernel, i have to re compile

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wagnerrp:

!seen devinheitmuller

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MythLogBot:

devinheitmuller has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

!seen devinheitmueller

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MythLogBot:

devinheitmueller was last seen 7 days 11 hours 30 minutes 17 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

i guess no one is around over the holidays to know the servers are down

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babelfish1:

ok, one last crazy thing, i could theoretically record two programs at once off the OTA (assuming different multiplexes) AND record a 3rd program from a SD box using my pvr-350?

[04:12:00]

derekj:

CLGSHAFT: yes, until the driver updates are included in the kernel you will have to recompile for kernel updates

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russell5:

thats what i do babelfish1 but i have a pvr 150

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[R]:

babelfish1: you can throw as many cards as you want at mythtv

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CLGSHAFT:

thanks derek

[04:12:20]

wagnerrp:

yes, the 350 is completely independent of the 2250

[04:12:34]

CLGSHAFT:

anyone using a 950q for analog?

[04:12:35]

[R]:

babelfish1: i have an hdpvr and a qam digital tuner

[04:12:35]

wagnerrp:

there have been known to be driver conflicts between different cards

[04:12:44]

wagnerrp:

but for the most part, multiple tuner cards works just fine

[04:13:04]

babelfish1:

and the 350 is nortious for being the exception :)

[04:15:30]

CLGSHAFT:

any nvidia experts?

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CLGSHAFT:

i am using a geforce 430 gt, and i have the video working, but not audio through hdmi

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derekj:

CLGSHAFT: what ver kernel?

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CLGSHAFT:

the newest

[04:17:02]

CLGSHAFT:

lol, not sure really

[04:17:09]

derekj:

the newest from where?

[04:17:22]

derekj:

uname -r

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CLGSHAFT:

how do i check?

[04:17:49]

CLGSHAFT:

2.6.33.7-desktop-2mnb

[04:17:57]

babelfish1:

ok, wagnerrp and r, thank you very much for all of your help, it has been useful and instructive. sorry for being occasionally slow, if you need help with economics some time, let me know :)

[04:18:00]

wagnerrp:

2.6.33 is pretty old

[04:18:16]

derekj:

CLGSHAFT: you need to upgrade

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wagnerrp:

end of april

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CLGSHAFT:

lol, i have done all my uodates

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derekj:

that kernel is too old to support audio thru nvidia hdmi

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wagnerrp:

the alsa nvidia hda drivers from back then might not support the 430

[04:18:56]

derekj:

CLGSHAFT: no you have not

[04:19:06]

wagnerrp:

derekj: no it isnt, but it might not support that specific card

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CLGSHAFT:

when i go to my update manager, everything is up to date

[04:20:00]

wagnerrp:

just because your distro doesnt have any updated packages doesnt mean your distro is up to date

[04:20:17]

derekj:

CLGSHAFT: no, you need to incorporate backports

[04:20:35]

derekj:

CLGSHAFT: in fact mdv 2010.2 is "out"

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CLGSHAFT:

ok, sorry i am a noob. how do i update? I do have backports congiured in my media updates

[04:20:48]

derekj:

that has all the appropriate updates

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CLGSHAFT:

i have 2010.2

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derekj:

urpmi -af kernel-desktop-latest

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derekj:

assuming that's what you are using

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CLGSHAFT:

can i post the output here?

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derekj:

CLGSHAFT: latest is kernel-desktop-latest-2.6.36.2–2mnb2

[04:23:00]

derekj:

no, pastebin

[04:23:02]

wagnerrp:

no, but you can pastebin it

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CLGSHAFT:

how?

[04:23:38]

wagnerrp:

using a pastebin

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derekj:

CLGSHAFT: seriously, why are you even building a pvr

[04:24:21]

wagnerrp:

see the topic, mythtv.pastebin.ca

[04:24:27]

wagnerrp:

paste the text in there, paste the link in here

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CLGSHAFT:

little rude?

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babelfish1:

agreed

[04:25:02]

derekj:

CLGSHAFT: no, it's a valid question

[04:25:16]

derekj:

it's not about what you know or don't know

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CLGSHAFT:

so you want to know the reasons behind me wanting mythtv?

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derekj:

considering content is now available a la carte over the internet now you should seriously consider if building a pvr even makes sense

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CLGSHAFT:

i dont have a la carte where i am from

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derekj:

CLGSHAFT: where are you from?

[04:27:04]

CLGSHAFT:

great white nort

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CLGSHAFT:

i wanted to bring all my media together, and add ota tv, mythtv looked like a great option

[04:27:35]

babelfish1:

derekj: i'm not sure why you hang out here to question the validity of having a pvr, as much as i love streaming stuff for free and the boxee interface, it's just not quite "there" yet

[04:28:02]

derekj:

babelfish1: I didn't mention "for free"

[04:28:26]

derekj:

babelfish1: in fact the internet model certainly isn't free

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babelfish1:

even not for free, there are shows still not available, and a la carte pricing for shows isn't necessarily cheaper than the lower tier cable service

[04:28:50]

CLGSHAFT:

i dont even have the option

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derekj:

if you don't have option building pvr makes sense

[04:29:30]

CLGSHAFT:

i love having my movies and tv together

[04:29:54]

CLGSHAFT:

i am new to linux and mythtv, but enjoying everything i am learning

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derekj:

but if you do have options building a pvr (like starting now) makes little sense

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CLGSHAFT:

sorry i had no idea what a paste bin was

[04:30:54]

derekj:

babelfish1: how much is your cable TV bill/mo?

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kormoc:

derekj, you're offtopic for this channel

[04:31:21]

dewman:

derekj, dude....Your pretty rude..

[04:32:09]

derekj:

dewman: and who are you? did you even help anyone out today?

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[R]:

rofl

[04:32:28]

[R]:

derekj: so because you helped someone you can be rude

[04:32:28]

[R]:

sweet

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[R]:

i geuss i can be rude to everyone forever

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[R]:

oh wait... i already do that... nevermind

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derekj:

dewman: I at least told CLGSHAFT what the latest version of the kernel was for his distro

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derekj:

dewman: I haven't seen you help _anyone_

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kormoc:

I'm serious. This is off topic and should stop now

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wagnerrp:

i really dont think this discussion need to continue

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CLGSHAFT:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2033908

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CLGSHAFT:

thanks wagnerp

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derekj:

urpmq -af kernel-desktop-latest

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CLGSHAFT:

what is urpmq?

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derekj:

q for query

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derekj:

i for install

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nutron:

wagnerrp: heh, thanks for fondling my user page ;)

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** wagnerrp softly caresses nutron's sweet sweet user page **

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CLGSHAFT:

kernel-desktop-latest-2.6.33.7–2mnb2.x86_64

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nutron:

:(

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babelfish1:

heading out folks, but thanks again wagnerrp and [r]

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wagnerrp:

nutron: there is an option under the 'file options' or something

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wagnerrp:

for marking a recording for re-record, without deleting it

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derekj:

CLGSHAFT: you need to make sure you include 2010.2 sources

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nutron:

wagnerrp: for?

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nutron:

oh gah I see.

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wagnerrp:

if the recording is bad, like there are weather or election or school closing tickers, but not completely unusable

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[R]:

oh... election

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[R]:

i thought you said something else

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nutron:

wagnerrp: how do I get to file options?

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wagnerrp:

the 'm' context menu

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wagnerrp:

same as you would to delete or start a job

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nutron:

wagnerrp: ahh... /me hits his head against the wall

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wagnerrp:

its in there somewhere, i dont remember exactly where

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nutron:

wagnerrp: and does it do what I whine about?

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wagnerrp:

it removes the duplicate check from future instances of the recording

[04:43:37]

wagnerrp:

but as mentioned, there is no direct key binding to do so

[04:43:46]

wagnerrp:

you still have to do several key presses

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nutron:

wagnerrp: aye, I see.

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CLGSHAFT:

derek – 2.6.36.2-desktop-2mnb

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CLGSHAFT:

looks like i need to reinstall the nvidia driver

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elmojo:

kormoc: if you don't mind could you tell me the bMaxPacketSize0 value given by lsusb for your prolific usb-serial adapter?

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kormoc:

elmojo, http://pastebin.ca/2033932

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elmojo:

kormoc: thanks, which receiver model do you use?

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kormoc:

elmojo, for directtv.pl? H20

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elmojo:

kormoc: apparently these cables are the PL2303x chipsets... if bMaxPacketSize0 is 64... it would be 8 if it were the older PL2303

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elmojo:

both chipsets have the same exact identifier :)

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kormoc:

huh!

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elmojo:

the good news is that it appears newer Directv loads support both now

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kormoc:

Is that a problem?

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kormoc:

snaz :)

[05:20:28]

kormoc:

cause I might have had a different cable on the directtv end and would have felt really bad if that was the case

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elmojo:

at one time it was a problem because apparently the linuxe kernel took a while before it added support

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elmojo:

oh?

[05:20:59]

elmojo:

I thought you had both

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elmojo:

I can always return them

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kormoc:

I had a old pl2303 cable and I bought two more, I'm not sure which ones are actually hooked up in which order

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kormoc:

I'm fairly certain it's both of that type, but there's always the chance

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elmojo:

yeah... it would be nice to know if you ever get a chance

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kormoc:

I'm fairly busy tonight. I'm flying out for 11 days in a few hours :(

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elmojo:

heh, enjoy your trip then... I'll figure it out

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elmojo:

jpabq: you gotta a link to that USB-Serial cable on Ebay you think might have the original PL2303?

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jpabq:

elmojo, I bought one of those ones from Amazon, just to try, and it is working for me. If you are saying it does not work for you, try rebooting your Directv receiver with tit plugged in.

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** [R] giggles **

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elmojo:

no... I'm just being paranoid :)

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elmojo:

I'm not getting setup until next Thursday

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jpabq:

Okay --- but the one kormoc recommended does seem to work.

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kormoc:

elmojo, I found my old one. I can confirm that it's the two I recommended hooked up to the box

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elmojo:

was curious what USB ID the pl2303x used and found out it was identical and the only way to tell was the bMaxPacketSize0 value

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elmojo:

kormoc: awesome!

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elmojo:

this means that the whole "pl2303x doesn't work" belief is now invalid

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jpabq:

I got some pl2303x and they did not work. I had to replace them.

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jpabq:

Hmmm, I need to reboot — seem to have had a disk drop off the raid and won't re-add.

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[R]:

good thing wagnerrp isn't here... he loves raid

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[R]:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if that was sarcastic or not

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[R]:

lol

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Jester:

hey .. does anyone know of a way i could scan my movies remotely. I have /var/lib/mythtv/videos linked to the location of my movies and everything on that end should be working fine.. however I have yet to run a scan from the physical box

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Jester:

I'm operating over a cell phone/broadband – tethered connection

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elmojo:

jpabq: how long ago was that?

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Jester:

so xforwarding is not an option

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wagnerrp:

vnc is, or you can use the scan utility in the python bindings

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elmojo:

he's gone

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Jester:

wagnerrp, are you talking to me?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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Jester:

i doubt my cell would support a VNC connection

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Jester:

wagnerrp, where are the py bindings found?

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wagnerrp:

installed on any system with mythtv

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Jester:

alright didn't know if it was standard or not

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Jester:

mind explaining what this jamu program is?

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Jester:

i haven't used a mythtv that has used jamu

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lyricnz:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jamu

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wagnerrp:

a bulk metadata grabber and maintenance program

[05:44:22]

wagnerrp:

largely superseded by similar capability in 0.24

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lyricnz:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu

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wagnerrp:

are you running 0.24 or trunk?

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wagnerrp:

i guess were 0.25pre now

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Jester:

0.24 i believe

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Jester:

mythbuntu 10.10

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wagnerrp:

likely 0.23.1

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wagnerrp:

you should have jamu installed, configured, and already scanning your video folders

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Jester:

well currently my video collection is seeing nothing

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Jester:

i've tried to activate a scan from the web interface but i'm unsure as to whether or not it actually executed the scan

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wagnerrp:

no, the web scanner is currently broken

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wagnerrp:

if it did work, it borked your videometadata table

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kormoc:

there's no scan button in 0.24+

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kormoc:

(or even 0.23+)

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Jester:

crapp lol

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elmojo:

jpabq: how long ago did you try a pl2303x cable and it now work?

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Jester:

so i guess what are my options if i'm working remotely over a tethered broadband connection

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elmojo:

jpabq: and if you get a chance could you post the lsusb -v output of an older pl2303 cable?

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jpabq:

elmojo, I no longer have the cables that did not work. I actually sent them back to the Sabrent, and they sent me "old" stock that had the pl2303 instead of the pl2303x.

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jpabq:

I can get you that output from the three different brands that I do have, that all work.

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jpabq:

The Sabrent cables I had that did not work, claimed to be USB 2.0 compatible. The ones that do work are "only" USB 1.1.

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elmojo:

jpabq: ah, these Trendnet cables only say 1.1

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elmojo:

very interested in the output of the "old" cable

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jpabq:

elmojo, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2033955

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elmojo:

jpabq: cool thanks for the info... the information I read then might be bogus.... maybe then 1.1 versus 2.0 usb is the key

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lyricnz:

jamu seems pretty broken at the moment

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lyricnz:

for me, at least. python errors when selecting "skip this" during interactive run

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[R]:

wagnerrp: theres something wrong with mythfs... i'm exporting it via nfs, and whne i play it, the video is all corrupt... but if i nfs mount my storage group and play the mpg directly, its fine

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wagnerrp:

not a problem with mythfs

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[R]:

i'm seeing if i can get it working with samba again

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wagnerrp:

might be a problem with the bindings

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wagnerrp:

i used to see issues like that when i was tinkering around with the socket library

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wagnerrp:

but i resolved that all months ago back in the summer

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wagnerrp:

i consistently get matching hashes during file transfers

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[R]:

my nfs read size is 262k

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[R]:

do you think i should increase or decrease that?

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wagnerrp:

the mythfs read size peaks out at 128k IIRC

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wagnerrp:

and samba only does 64k blocks

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[R]:

i should try to mythfs mount it directly on my laptop vs using nfs maybe

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

i think that fixed it

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[R]:

no, its not

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[R]:

i really should pick a diff movie to test this with

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[R]:

haha

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jpabq:

Always a little scary when a software raid miss-behaves. Glad I learned a long time ago to keep track of which devices make up an array and in which order, via their UUID and Serial numbers — since the drive letters can change.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i took nfs out of the equation and mounted the mythfs directly and i'm still seeing it

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wagnerrp:

are you on 0.24 or trunk?

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[R]:

0.24

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wagnerrp:

fresh? or upgraded from a development version?

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[R]:

it was a fresh install with a fresh db

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[R]:

if only i could use upnp... that works fine

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

I'm having some problems with mythtv and mplayer

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floppyears:

mplayer won't play any videos. When playing livetv it just crashes

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt use mplayer

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floppyears:

wagnerrp: what does it use in 0.24 for the internal mplayer?

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wagnerrp:

internal mplayer?

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floppyears:

how does it play live tv

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CLGSHAFT:

could someone help me get audio working through hdmi on a nvidia geforce 430 gt?

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wagnerrp:

with the internal player

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floppyears:

when I click on live tv the frontnd crashes

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wagnerrp:

crashes out of mythfrontend completely? or just drops back to the menu?

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floppyears:

no menu I get the plain blackbox instead of any mythtv frontend menu

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wagnerrp:

so its stalling, not crashing to the desktop

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wagnerrp:

can you paste your frontend logs

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floppyears:

sure

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floppyears:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/xv5t0H82

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floppyears:

I'm pretty sure my mythtv config uses mplayer as the mythtv internal player

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floppyears:

and if I try to play any video in mplayer it just stalls :(

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floppyears:

the same video file can play just fine in vlc, xine or another player :(

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wagnerrp:

im pretty sure there is no option to allow you to use mplayer as the internal player

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wagnerrp:

looks like its all ready to go, and just waiting for the video to become available

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs as to why the recording has not started

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wagnerrp:

and upgrade or uninstall mythweather while youre at it

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floppyears:

wagnerrp: I looked at my backend log as well: http://pastebin.com/NAnWhQ7v

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floppyears:

wagnerrp: sorry that was an incomplete backend log, could you look at the bottom of this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/WXHngZMc

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wagnerrp:

im going to bet youve got stuck on an invalid channel

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wagnerrp:

not invalid, but one just currently broadcasting nothing

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wagnerrp:

try changing the channel

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floppyears:

is the only way to do that through mythtv setup>\?

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wagnerrp:

i dont see any indication that the frontend isnt working

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wagnerrp:

have you tried just changing the channel?

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floppyears:

I have done it through the setup program to identify a different starting channel

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floppyears:

wagnerrp: did I mention that I have the same issue when I try to play a video using mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

does any video playback work?

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floppyears:

yes, through vlc and xine

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wagnerrp:

no, can mythtv play anything

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floppyears:

it used to before I upgraded from 0.22 to 0.24

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wagnerrp:

did you do anything else at the same time?

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wagnerrp:

upgrade the rest of the system around it?

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floppyears:

I think I upgraded the rest of the system around it as well

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[R]:

Beirdo: you there?

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wagnerrp:

i would bet your playback profiles are off

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floppyears:

is there a way to reset them to some defaults?

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wagnerrp:

what video card do you have?

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floppyears:

nvidia GeForce 7300 LE

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wagnerrp:

dont know if thats enough grunt for opengl

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wagnerrp:

just use the Slim profile

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floppyears:

thanks

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Beirdo:

maybe

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[R]:

Beirdo: i'm trying to get the count of threads in the threadpool from MainServer

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[R]:

the upnp threadpool

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Beirdo:

like how many are being used?

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[R]:

yeah

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Beirdo:

we have no hook for that

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[R]:

i'm trying to make the backend aware to files streaming over upnp

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Beirdo:

and no significant time will be spent on it as that whole section is being rewritten

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[R]:

its always being rewritten

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[R]:

:(

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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wagnerrp:

thats the name of the game in OSS

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

maintenance is no fun

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wagnerrp:

lets rewrite it

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Beirdo:

well, one of the other devs is "in the middle of redoing it"

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wagnerrp:

better, faster, harder, stronger, with ponies

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Beirdo:

otherwise I woulda hacked on it already

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[R]:

do you remember that seinfeld episode

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** wagnerrp gets back to rewriting the entirety of the backend protocol **

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[R]:

where jerrys like aunt or cousin or something had a pony in poland

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Beirdo:

I don't do Seinfeld

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[R]:

and jerry made some comment about hating ponies

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm sure there's a way to get the info you want, but it's not there now

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[R]:

i think i figured something out

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[R]:

i can get the HttpServer from mythbackend

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[R]:

the HttpServer extends ThreadPool

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[R]:

i can make a function in ThreadPool to return the count

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Beirdo:

with how screwy that code is right now with keep-alives...

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[R]:

i'm sure its not gonna be perfect

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Beirdo:

doubt it will do much good, but knock yourself out :)

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[R]:

i can't get mythfs working, so my fallback is upnp

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[R]:

but i need the backend to be aware of upnp streaming

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[R]:

so it doesnt shutdown

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Beirdo:

so don't shut it down

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[R]:

i do the idle shutdown

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Beirdo:

pfft

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[R]:

OR

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[R]:

i hacked my upnp box

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wagnerrp:

i think the jobqueue stuff is going to get pushed back again to 0.26

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[R]:

i COULD get it to set the locked flag

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: oh, why's that?

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[R]:

and clear it when it shuts down

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[R]:

i like that one better...

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wagnerrp:

because i keep getting side tracked on one thing or another that i want to use to implement it

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[R]:

Beirdo: would a patch to set shutdownlock via MythXML be accepted?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I dunno, possibly

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[R]:

i like that one much better thna screwin around with the upnp code

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why an active file stream doesnt already kill the auto shutdown

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Beirdo:

because the autoshutdown's dumb would be my bet

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[R]:

autoshutdown looks at recording status, if its not recording, all it does is check the filetransfer sockets

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Beirdo:

if something's being actively streamed out of the backend, why would it want to shutdown?

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[R]:

upnp doesnt use filetransfer

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wagnerrp:

i never knew that the slave backends had bidirectional communication with the master

[07:51:45]

wagnerrp:

i thought mythproto was pretty much one-sided

[07:51:46]

Beirdo:

as I said... the shutdown code is dumb :)

[07:52:37]

Beirdo:

instead of hacking around in many other places, wouldn't it be smarter to make the shutdown code itself smarter?

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[R]:

Beirdo: well thats what i was trying to do

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[R]:

Beirdo: letting it see how many upnp threads were going

[07:53:08]

Beirdo:

those aren't UPnP threads

[07:53:14]

Beirdo:

those are webserver threads

[07:53:31]

Beirdo:

some of which is UPnP, some of which is for mythweb, some is for whatever else

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[R]:

right, but any active webserver thread should prevent shutdown

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Beirdo:

well, at this point, if that's what you want...

[07:54:01]

Beirdo:

just turn off shutdown

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[R]:

lol

[07:54:12]

Beirdo:

there are some threads that *never* release

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[R]:

hrm

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Beirdo:

which is why it's being rewritten

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[R]:

well for now i'll make a php script that triggers the lock

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[R]:

maybe eventually i'll write a patch for mythxml

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Beirdo:

I run with 60 threads, 10s timeout... and it STILL runs out of threads

[07:54:54]

** wagnerrp whips out the ban hammer **

[07:55:23]

Beirdo:

there's something funky going on in there, and I'm hoping the rewrite is ready soon :)

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[R]:

its been raining all day :(

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wagnerrp:

my work is done

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[R]:

i'm calling mythshutdown — lock from system() in a php script and am getting this

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[R]:

mythshutdown: Could not initialize MythContext. Exiting.

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[R]:

ahg... it cant find the home dir

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: any idea why we would be using raw vectors over QLists?

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Beirdo:

none that I can think of

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wagnerrp:

theres a bunch of them in mythtv/programs/mythbackend/playbacksock.cpp

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Beirdo:

might wanna ask Captain_Murdoch

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Beirdo:

I think that was/is his code, there may have been a reason for it

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Beirdo:

OK, this mud's authentication's gonna be cusom and funky :)

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Beirdo:

custom rather

[08:43:10]

Beirdo:

I wanted to use MD5 Digest, but that *requires* using the ugly popup in the browser

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Beirdo:

I want it to be a login page

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Beirdo:

so I'll do it half-baked for now...

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Beirdo:

use HA1 only

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Beirdo:

it's either that or require SSL certs

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Beirdo:

or both :)

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wagnerrp:

what are the rules on passing in subclasses as arguments?

[08:45:05]

wagnerrp:

if im going to be handling a bunch of different subclasses in the same code, do i need to cast them to the parent class first?

[08:45:15]

wagnerrp:

or should that happen automagically?

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Beirdo:

not 100% sure

[08:45:32]

wagnerrp:

well... ill find out soon enough

[08:45:38]

Beirdo:

the mythui stuff would likely be a good reference point for that

[08:45:38]

wagnerrp:

i can always tweak it later

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

now I have to recreate my setup to self-sign SSL certs

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Beirdo:

heh. That machine's.... off

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sid3windr:

why not just get non-selfsigned? :)

[08:49:29]

sid3windr:

aka real ones that work everywhere :>

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Beirdo:

aha ones you have to pay for...

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sid3windr:

not really

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Beirdo:

uhuh

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sid3windr:

www.startssl.com

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Beirdo:

1 year free... and can't extend?

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sid3windr:

can extend

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sid3windr:

at least, you have to create a new one

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sid3windr:

(or use your csr again)

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sid3windr:

but you can get the same cn just fine

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Beirdo:

you basically do for renewal anyways

[08:52:14]

Beirdo:

so what's teh downside?

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sid3windr:

none that I could find

[08:52:38]

sid3windr:

been using it for a few years now

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sid3windr:

works everywhere I tried to use it

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sid3windr:

send you an email before it's going to expire

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sid3windr:

send you an email if you said it's for a webserver and after a few days your cert isn't installed yet, or isn't correctly installed, pointing you to docs

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sid3windr:

you only have to make sure you don't lose the client cert to auth to their site

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh, here's a downside

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wagnerrp:

if anyone can do it, whats the point

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sid3windr:

anyone can do what? :)

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Beirdo:

"Google Chrome does not handle client certificate enrollment correctly, please use an alternative browser!"

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sid3windr:

heh

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Beirdo:

eat me, make your page work with real browsers

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sid3windr:

yea so you can't log into the site with chrome, who uses that anyway

[08:55:20]

Beirdo:

a LOT of people

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wagnerrp:

getting something certified requires (or should require) that the company handing out the certs has done their due diligence in confirming you are who you say you are

[08:55:31]

sid3windr:

then those lot of people better go and use selfsigned or pay rapidssl ;)

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sid3windr:

lol wagnerrp

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sid3windr:

that's funny

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wagnerrp:

that takes work, which takes money, which is why they change you (or supposedly anyway)

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sid3windr:

I take it you have not ordered ssl certs in the last 10 years

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wagnerrp:

if they can just give these things away

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wagnerrp:

the clearly the whole system is just a big sham

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sid3windr:

there is none that does any verification other than email to ssladmin@ / postmaster@ / ..

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sid3windr:

they do charge for wildcards and EV

[08:56:26]

sid3windr:

the EV's are the ones with real validation

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sid3windr:

but yes, that is the point of startcom I think, it takes no effort to issue the single cn certs, so they do not charge you

[08:56:53]

sid3windr:

(their EV certs are way cheaper than most others too)

[08:57:32]

sid3windr:

anyway

[08:57:40]

sid3windr:

I don't have stock in them or anything, I just use them and I'm happy ;)

[08:57:47]

sid3windr:

(and that ssl certs are a big sham is... kinda known for ages now)

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wagnerrp:

so then whats the point of firefox warning you on invalid certs

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Beirdo:

it's not a sham

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Beirdo:

it's up to the user to know who to trust as a CA

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Beirdo:

and I'm sorry, but VeriSign or Thawte certs are still worth more than free ones or GoDaddy

[08:59:18]

Beirdo:

it's the "circle of trust" thing...

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sid3windr:

verisign obviously is worth more as they cost more!

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sid3windr:

do you check the chain for every site that is already validated by your browser?

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Beirdo:

they ARE worth more. as they validate stuff

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wagnerrp:

but if theyre not actually doing heavy verification, if theyre not actually earning their keep

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wagnerrp:

then the cert is basically just a high tax, a barrier to entry

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wagnerrp:

something to keep out the riffraff

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Beirdo:

well, that's where the godaddy, etc comes in

[09:00:40]

Beirdo:

$12.99/yr at godaddy, but... how much should I trust them?

[09:01:43]

Beirdo:

Hmmm, I just had a nasty thought

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Beirdo:

I probably will need 2 certs

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Beirdo:

one for IPv4 and one for IPv6

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sid3windr:

how about you just use a (sub)domainname, :P

[09:04:16]

sid3windr:

at least thawte just does email verification, Beirdo

[09:04:19]

sid3windr:

used to have a cert with them

[09:04:36]

sid3windr:

just like rapidssl, startssl, etc, you can choose from a list of 5 localparts at the domain you request

[09:04:52]

sid3windr:

you clickety the link, and you get the cert

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Tanthrix:

Anyone here had issues with their HD-PVR suddenly having issues?

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Tanthrix:

Had mine for just under a year now, and out of the blue last week it quit. So this in dmesg: usb 1–4: device descriptor read/64, error -110

[09:38:13]

Tanthrix:

Rebooted the system remotely, to no avail. Had to physically power cycle the HDPVR to get it back up.

[09:38:53]

Tanthrix:

Worked for a few more days, then just did it again this evening. Since it worked basically flawlessly for 10 months, I'm wondering if maybe it's a bad unit like some other people have had.

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mrvanes:

Hi, I'm a bit stupified by Stuarts rude reply to this bug I reported: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9406

[09:41:25]

mrvanes:

Can anyone confirm that this works on a Dutch Ziggo DVB-C signal?

[09:42:32]

mrvanes:

I don't see how this could be related to the 'unsupported' software, I merely mentioned it to give a detailed description of my setup

[09:44:03]

mrvanes:

How can I make passive EIT scan work on my system? Does it work for you?

[09:44:12]

Tanthrix:

This is why: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Softcam

[09:44:48]

mrvanes:

Ok, so I'm treated like a pirate?

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Tanthrix:

Suppose so. They

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Tanthrix:

're quite conservative around here about such things.

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mrvanes:

But I'm not here to discuss the softcam, I'm trying to find a solution to my EPG not being updated when I watch live-tv

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mrvanes:

And I DONT pirate, I use the software to share a legal card over 2 tuners in 1 case :(

[09:46:58]

Tanthrix:

Afraid I have no experience with EIT or dvb-c for that matter, so I'm of no help.

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mrvanes:

Ok, thx for the pointer anyway

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Tanthrix:

No prob.

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mrvanes:

Wish I'd never mentioned the setup :(

[09:49:07]

Tanthrix:

Aye. You could try again...the mailing list can be helpful about such things. Usually best to post there before going on trac, just to confirm it's a real bug.

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mrvanes:

Ok, I'll revive my ML account then...

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ComradeHaz`:

Hi all. I wish to install a frontend on a debian machine. Just want the most basic install possible really. Been looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Debian_Etch but not sure how many of those steps I can ignore if I just want the frontend

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ComradeHaz`:

OK, following http://clauretano.wordpress.com/2008/02/02/gu . . . sting-lenny/ but I'm not getting a mythtv group created so cannot ad myself to it

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lyricnz:

ComradeHaz`: if you just want frontend, you don't need most of it.

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lyricnz:

you can probably even use binary packages

[12:38:15]

ComradeHaz`:

Indeed, lyricnz, hence my second comment

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lyricnz:

I don't run deb, so haven't read that. There's no reason you need a myth user to be a frontend

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lyricnz:

and that faq is real old

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ComradeHaz`:

OK, however, I now have another issue, forgive me for this:

[12:39:27]

ComradeHaz`:

[11:47:42] <ComradeHaz`> Hi guys, how do I set my mythbackend database to accept connections from other frontends?

[12:39:30]

ComradeHaz`:

[12:01:36] <ComradeHaz`> OK, found it in mybuntu control center but when I check the appropriate box and press apply for the dialog that appears when I press apply, the control center crashes.

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ComradeHaz`:

[12:15:34] <ComradeHaz`> http://pastebin.com/LHK15UJF

[12:40:03]

ComradeHaz`:

[12:16:19] <ComradeHaz`> I first tried running as 'me' and then as root, same thing happens.

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ComradeHaz`:

I asked that in ubuntu-mythtv as the server is a mythbuntu box, but perhaps you can help?

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lyricnz:

I have no idea about deb/ubuntu stuff.

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tank-man:

ComradeHaz`, perhaps you should be looking at this page http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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tank-man:

specifically the section titled "Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems"

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ComradeHaz`:

Right you are

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ComradeHaz`:

though it would be nice to know what's up with my control center :/

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tank-man:

what is this "control centre"?

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ComradeHaz`:

I imagine it's mythbuntu specific

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ComradeHaz`:

which is why I asked in ubuntu-mythtv as opposed to in here

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ComradeHaz`:

thanks for the link though, I will try that later

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ComradeHaz`:

tom@ares:~$ sudo mysql -u root mythconverg

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ComradeHaz`:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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ComradeHaz`:

What am I doing wrong?

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tank-man:

try using a password

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ComradeHaz`:

Where? How? :D

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lyricnz:

using "root" also

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lyricnz:

need to use -p to enter password interactively

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lyricnz:

myth mysql user shouldn't be root

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ComradeHaz`:

ah

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ComradeHaz`:

ok

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lyricnz:

did you create the database? grant permissions

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lyricnz:

use phpMyAdmin if you're not comfortable with command-line sql

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm, so I thought I had done it successfully, but client machine still can't log in

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ComradeHaz`:

tank-man: followed that, but not working still

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ComradeHaz`:

Have you any further suggestions?

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tank-man:

no

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tank-man:

can you ping the other backend machine from the frontend?

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ComradeHaz`:

Sure.

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ComradeHaz`:

there's a working nfs connection between the two alreadty

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ComradeHaz`:

So they can deffinately talk

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tank-man:

so try to connect to the database from the frontendd with the commandline

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ComradeHaz`:

Hmm?

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ComradeHaz`:

How so?

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tank-man:

mysql has a -h option for host

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ComradeHaz`:

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ComradeHaz`:

Enter password:

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ComradeHaz`:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'10.0.0.1' (using password: YES)

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ComradeHaz`:

Should that have worked?

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tank-man:

It should work if you did the step from the url above

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ComradeHaz`:

I believe I did

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ComradeHaz`:

"grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"10.0.0.%" identified by "mythtv";" is what I did

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ComradeHaz`:

followed by "flush priviliges"

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ComradeHaz`:

That's from mysql log

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tank-man:

you missed a semicolon after flush priviliges

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ComradeHaz`:

Um, sadly didn't, just misscopied

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tank-man:

I don't know what else could be wrong

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ComradeHaz`:

tank-man: do I need to enable mysql networking on the client too?

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tank-man:

don't think so

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, I doubt those raw vectors are mine unless I just copied code from elsewhere or extended existing code. One of the reasons I started working on MythTV 8+ years ago was to learn Qt and bone up on C++, so I normally use Qt classes where possible. what does a blame say for the places you see those?

[13:54:54]

trumee:

is analog scanning broken in 0.23.1?

[13:55:35]

trumee:

I am scanning channel on PVR-250 using try-all frequencies and it is reporting No new channels found

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trumee:

In the scan it also says No Lock

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trumee:

Guess, i will have to do with my old database :(

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trumee:

anybody?

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bergqvistjl:

Hi guys, i have a problem with lirc: i've finally managed to get it configured correctly via /dev/input/eventX, but its too 'trigger-happy'. in irw and everything else that uses the remote, at the very least if i press the button once, it comes through as two inputs, and if i press it for longer, it registers more. is there anyway I can inhibit/reduce this?

[14:25:34]

trumee:

Should i scan channels with 0.21 and then upgrade to 0.23.1?

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bergqvistjl:

dead room today lol

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trumee:

oh! great i cant install mythtv 0.21 on my opensuse box, "ERROR! You must have a threaded Qt installed to compile MythTV."

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trumee:

bergqvistjl: yes, it is indeed a dead roo,

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trumee:

*room

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bergqvistjl:

anyone got any ideas about my problem yet?

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bergqvistjl:

problem with lirc: i've finally managed to get it configured correctly via /dev/input/eventX, but its too 'trigger-happy'. in irw and everything else that uses the remote, at the very least if i press the button once, it comes through as two inputs, and if i press it for longer, it registers more. is there anyway I can inhibit/reduce this?

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trumee:

bergqvistjl: you scared somebody!

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bergqvistjl:

that should be "two key-presses" not, two inputs

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bergqvistjl:

I do that a lot.

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bergqvistjl:

not intentionally though

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trumee:

bergqvistjl: i suggest you most your query to lirc mailing list. They are pretty responsive there

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bergqvistjl:

is there a lirc IRC channel?

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trumee:

no idea.

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clever:

bergqvistjl: #lirc or ##lirc

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trumee:

clever: do you know if 0.23.1 can scan analogue channels?

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bergqvistjl:

doesnt matter ive fixed it

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trumee:

bergqvistjl: how?

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bergqvistjl:

found a solution that used the old method, which has the side-effect of not recieving the button presses as fast.

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trumee:

bergqvistjl: alright

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trumee:

i deleted my database and started from scratch in 0.23.1. Mythtv says "Failed to find channels". does analogue scanning work in mythtv 0.23,1, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[16:08:09]

trumee:

is there anyway to scan analogue channels outside Mythtv?

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trumee:

I have two PVR-250 cards

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Razal:

I wish I knew, trumee. I've only experience with digital cards.

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trumee:

Razal: I dont remember how i got the channels the last time on this box (was 5 months ago).

[16:11:31]

trumee:

Razal: is there any way to import frequencies in mythtv?

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trumee:

I suppose tvtime can scan channels.

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Razal:

it *might* be possible to manually add them

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Razal:

let me pull it up

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trumee:

Razal: thanks. I dont have tvtime on this box, so i dont think i used tvtime last time

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Razal:

do you have a listings source set up? in mythtv-setup, in Input Connections, choose your connection, then you have an option of Fetch channels from listings source

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trumee:

Razal: no i dont have a listing source

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trumee:

Razal: The only way i can add frequencies is using a manual scan

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Razal:

back a little bit, and you can choose/set up a video source. You don't have an option you can use there?

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Razal:

that's Video Sources setup

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trumee:

Unfortunately cant. I can only add frequencies in the channel editor if channel scan fails.

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Razal:

Do you have a Video Source defined?

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trumee:

yes. i have set it to nograbber

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trumee:

It is an analogue cable, so there is no eit.

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trumee:

and no listings as well

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Razal:

I thought perhaps you had xmltv as an option or something

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Razal:

in theory it *would* be possible to manually add channel info directly into the database, but it would be very ugly.

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trumee:

i have about 80 channels. i can manually add them, in the Channel Editor but it will be a very laborius process

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Razal:

have you seen http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-March/283350.html ?

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trumee:

Razal: yes, i am aware of that. I am using 0.23.1 and cant compile 0.21

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Razal:

seems like you're stuck with manual entry of some sort

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Razal:

it would probably take longer to try to get the SQL correct than to just key in the channels, so I'd do it that way. Take it in chunks.

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trumee:

Razal: i am presently scanning, using `scantv`.

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trumee:

Razal: thanks. Is it possible to change the theme in mythtv-setup?

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Razal:

that should give you a good list to work from at least. Unless you have a clever way of getting that into mythtv

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Razal:

hrm, I've never tried :)

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Razal:

I'm far from a mythtv expert

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trumee:

The default theme doesnt come over very well over vnc.

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Razal:

you could try mythtv-setup -O Theme=metallurgy

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Razal:

when I try it, it accepts it and tries to switch theme, but I don't have the themes

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trumee:

Razal: right, thanks.

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trumee:

Razal: just had an idea

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trumee:

Razal: i am presently using IVTV card in the Setup card. Should i instead use analogue tuner?

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Razal:

I don't know. I have no experience with either, whatsoever.

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trumee:

Razal: here is a weird question. I have a list of frequencies from scantv. I want to identify what channels they correspond to. And i remotely accessing the mythbacked atm.

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trumee:

Is there anyway i can tune into each of those channels using xawtv/tvtime, and take a screenshot. That way i end up with a list of image for each frequency.

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trumee:

That will help me to identify the channel name for each frequency.

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Razal:

when I've needed that information, I found tables already assembled for my area. That was easier than doing it myself

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trumee:

Razal: i am not that lucky :(

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Razal:

where are you?

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Razal:

oh, virgin media it seems

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trumee:

Razal: yes. But i am setting up the mythtv box remotely in another country :)

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Razal:

oh, haha. Here I was looking up frequencies for VM analogue cable

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CLGSHAFT:

hey guys

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CLGSHAFT:

wondering if someone could help me troubleshoot a nvidia 430 gt

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CLGSHAFT:

anyone out there?

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iamlindoro:

You will likely need to ask an actual question to get a response

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CLGSHAFT:

i have the video working fine with my geforce 430 gt, but cannot get any audio, can any help me get the audio to work?

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Razal:

audio through the HDMI output?

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CLGSHAFT:

yes

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Razal:

oh, just looked it up – that's hte only audio option

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CLGSHAFT:

my mobo spdif doesnt work either after updating the kernel

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Razal:

it also says here that audio over hdmi is only supported by hardware R260 or later. Are you sure your hardware supports it?

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CLGSHAFT:

i am not sure

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iamlindoro:

260 is the driver revision

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iamlindoro:

yes, his hardware supports it

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Razal:

I'm far from an audio expert, but I think that hdmi audio is basically the same as the spdif signal. So if spdif isn't working, I doubt the hdmi will

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CLGSHAFT:

i am using 260.19.29

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iamlindoro:

spdif and hdmi are not the same

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Razal:

aha. Evil webpage wording.

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CLGSHAFT:

spdif is on my mobo, 430 gt is a seperate card with no spdif

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iamlindoro:

the 430 has discrete audio hardware, his onboard sound hardware has nothing to do with it

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iamlindoro:

It does, however, suggest that the issue is with ALSA

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CLGSHAFT:

so dont use alsa?

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Razal:

the nvidia driver handles all the digital sound then? :P

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iamlindoro:

nvidia and its alsa driver, yes

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iamlindoro:

no, you need to use alsa

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CLGSHAFT:

i have everything set to alsa

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trumee:

iamlindoro: did my question make sense (analogue scanning in 0.23.1?)

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iamlindoro:

CLGSHAFT: Yes, you can set everything to alsa if you want, but the problem appears to be that your ALSA is misconfigured

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CLGSHAFT:

ok, how do i trouble shoot that?

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iamlindoro:

so you need to fix audio in your system/kernel, then it is quite likely that it will begin to work with your video card

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iamlindoro:

I would ask in #alsa

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iamlindoro:

trumee: Analog scanning works fine in .23

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trumee:

iamlindoro: i get "Failed to find any channels" with PVR-250

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iamlindoro:

Likely user error somewhere

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iamlindoro:

Are you using the correct frequency table for your locale?

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trumee:

iamlindoro: i started with a new database and selected try-all

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I can't help you (and don't have time to), as I haven't had analog hardware for year

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iamlindoro:

s

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trumee:

iamlindoro: i still have the old-database, i will probably update the frequencies using mythweb

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sphery:

trumee: if you've selected the right frequency table, you won't be using (nor will you need) frequencies

[18:08:13]

trumee:

sphery: i dont know which frequency table to use.

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trumee:

sphery: I selected try-all in General settings as well

[18:09:45]

sphery:

where are you at in the world?

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trumee:

sphery: i am setting up a box in india

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trumee:

sphery: if i select Europe-West frequency, then it adds 2 channels

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trumee:

sphery: so any suggestions?

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sphery:

hmmm... not sure what they're using,

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sphery:

what frequencies are channels on?

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trumee:

sphery: i have got a list of frequencies from scantv

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sphery:

can you pastebin it?

[18:18:01]

trumee:

sphery: http://www.pastie.org/1417769

[18:18:44]

trumee:

sphery: http://www.pastie.org/1417772

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trumee:

sphery: i dont think i had to worry about frequencies before when i set this box up 5 months ago.

[18:19:50]

trumee:

hell i didnt even have scantv installed

[18:19:58]

sphery:

yeah, we don't have a compatible frequency table

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trumee:

But now 0.23.1 doesnt like scanning at all.

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trumee:

what is try-all for then?

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sphery:

you said this is from scantv? is it the raw list or the list where it found channels (or the first was the channels you have and the 2nd was the raw list)?

[18:21:12]

sphery:

try all just scans at 1MHz increments and hopes for the best

[18:21:22]

sphery:

it's the "you might get a channel or 2 this way"

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trumee:

sphery: i edited the list a bit so that i could give some sensible channel names. Both the lists are the same

[18:23:30]

trumee:

sphery: i plan to use this with ivtv-tune -x xawtv_channel_name to get the video screenshot

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sphery:

the first paste has 11 channels listed, the 2nd has 89 or so

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sphery:

so the first was just a partial list?

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trumee:

since i am setting this remotely, it is the only way to find out what channels are running at these frequencies.

[18:24:16]

trumee:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

if you can get a published list of frequencies for India, I can make a frequency table for it

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trumee:

sphery: right, i will loook around. But when i set the box up, it was a straight scan in mythtv and was all gold. What is wrong now?

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[R]:

omg

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[R]:

its that CLASSIC saved by the bell episode

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[R]:

with the girl in the wheelchair

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trumee:

and i did use try-all before iirc, since mythtv-setup is showing that for the old database

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sphery:

well, we've never had a frequency table that included 55.25 and 61.25 and 69.00MHz

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trumee:

sphery: is there any frequency list which covers some of these frequencies. It should get some channels atleast

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sphery:

closest we have now is try all

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sphery:

which is off for many, but might work with the right hardware (if its hardware fine tune is up to the task)

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trumee:

sphery: but it doesnt give any channels at all in 0.23.1

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trumee:

and i am using PVR-250 cards

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sphery:

well, I've never done analog scanning since I have a valid frequency table and good guide data, so I don't know anything more than frequency tables part of it

[18:28:53]

sphery:

could try 0.24

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sphery:

or else, just use the old database

[18:29:26]

sphery:

why are you trying to make a new database?

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trumee:

sphery: because my stupid cable providers shuffled the channels

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sphery:

ah, so really, you don't need a new database, but you need a new video source--which means redefining channels

[18:30:42]

trumee:

sphery: So the Channel name doesnt correspond to the frequency. I thought it would be easier to just rescan rather than sort things out in mythweb

[18:30:54]

sphery:

if the shuffle was just one channel gets a different content (but there are no new channels), you can actually just edit the existing video source

[18:31:03]

sphery:

if you get new channels, you'll have to get them in somehow

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sphery:

you may be stuck using the mythtv-setup channel editor to manually define them with frequency (in kHz) on "Frequency ID" on screen 2 of the channel

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trumee:

sphery: cant it be done in mythweb?

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sphery:

and if you can get a published list of the Indian television frequency allocation, I can make a frequency table for future versions of MythTV

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sphery:

you can't create channels in mythweb

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trumee:

sphery: right. But i can modify freqid in mythweb, and it can take decimals as well, like 61.25?

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sphery:

it could take that

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sphery:

but you don't want to put that in

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sphery:

re-read what I said above

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sphery:

12.30 13:31:41 <+sphery> you may be stuck using the mythtv-setup channel editor to manually define them with frequency (in kHz) on "Frequency ID" on screen 2 of the channel

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sphery:

61.25MHz = 61250kHz

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trumee:

ah, i see.

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trumee:

sphery: i took some screenshots of mythweb. There are no decimals in freqid there.

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sphery:

right, because there's no need for it

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sphery:

since fractional kHz would be handled by any tuner's fine tune

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sphery:

250kHz would likely be handled fine by most

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sphery:

some may even handle 500kHz

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trumee:

sphery: i dont see a kHz in mythtv-setup channel editor

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trumee:

sphery: although there is a finetune in mythweb.

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sphery:

frequency id

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sphery:

no finetune

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sphery:

it may show 50

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sphery:

change it to 61250

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trumee:

sphery: on the third page of the channel (in mythsetup). There is a 'Channel or Frequency' input box and a FinteTune (kHz)

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sphery:

ah, so it's 3rd page

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sphery:

I thought there were only 2 once you select a channel

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sphery:

it's channel or frequency

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sphery:

type in frequency, not channel

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sphery:

since without a frequency table, channel numbers are meaningless

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sphery:

(and using fine-tune against a made-up/meaningless frequency table (try-all) just makes it more complex)

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trumee:

ok so to input 61.25Mhz, i can input 61 in the input box and 250khz in the finetune?

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sphery:

no

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sphery:

input 61250 in the channel or frequency box

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sphery:

much more direct solution, much less chance for confusion/problems

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trumee:

right.

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sphery:

and use 0 in finetune

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trumee:

right, i suppose i can input these numbers directly in mythweb

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sphery:

once you have a channel, yes

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sphery:

in mythweb, use freqid for frequency and 0 for finetune

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trumee:

sphery: this is screenshot of the old mythweb

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trumee:

sphery: http://shareimage.org/images/ns1rz1sfao8q1w7jblay.jpeg

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trumee:

sphery: The 7th column is the freqid. Is that frequency in MHz?

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trumee:

sphery: ?

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high-rez:

"Fox History". I could only imagine how history is written on the Fox History channel.

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[R]:

lol

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trumee:

Unfortunately, i dont have any source listing. So all channel names are coded by hand!

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sphery:

trumee: yes, freqid is where you put frequency

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sphery:

and use 0 for finetune

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trumee:

sphery: thanks

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trumee:

sphery: Are these frequency lists based on television hardware?

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trumee:

sphery: or are they defined by the cable companies?

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sphery:

generally by the government

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trumee:

i see.

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trumee:

If these lists can be abused by the cable companies, the i am pretty sure that must be happening already i.e. all cable companies probably dont use the same frequencies

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trumee:

sphery: DVB-C frequencies are probably standardised though

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trumee:

but i will enquire this from my cable operator

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sphery:

trumee: we have frequency tables for many different areas around the world--for both analog and digital broadcast and cable stuff. Different governments allocated different amounts of spectrum to TV broadcast, so they are different even within countries using the same standards.

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sphery:

though in some cases, there is regional standardization beyond national boundaries--i.e. Europe has basically 2 tables and Canada (and Mexico?) uses the same frequencies as the US

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sphery:

so basically, if some area has a different list of frequencies, we need that list so we can make a table for that area

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analogue:

am i missing something or does --setverbose not work for slave backends?

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baf:

hello, I am trying to get mythtv running. The point is I cannot scan for new channels on my dvbs card. It yelds probme with tuning transport. w_scan works.

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sphery:

analogue: it's master backend only: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 93191#393191

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sphery:

a patch that fixes it to allow specifying a backend would be considered for inclusion

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sphery:

baf: I know nothing of DVB-S, but a) did you try increasing the timeouts and b) did you read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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baf:

sphery yes, I did b). I think it has problem with communication of DiSEqC

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baf:

I will try a)

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baf:

I have the following errors in the console

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baf:

DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0), Error: Can not read DVB status

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baf:

eno: Success (0)

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baf:

Warning: Can not measure S/N

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baf:

eno: Success (0)

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baf:

DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0), Warning: Can not measure Bit Error Rate

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baf:

eno: Success (0)

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baf:

DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks

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baf:

eno: Success (0)

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baf:

ChScan, Error: Failed to handle tune complete.

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Shadow__X:

i am about to replace to drives in my mdadm raid array and was wondering if you guys knew of the appropriate room

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Shadow__X:

s/to/2

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iamlindoro:

I think the living room would be best

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iamlindoro:

or maybe the kitchen

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Shadow__X:

i planned on using dd to do a bit level copy from old drive to a new drive then adding it to the array

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Razal:

see.. I was resisting the snarky response =)

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Why bother? Let mdadm handle it

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Shadow__X:

s/appropriate room/appropriate channel

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iamlindoro:

remove one drive, add one drive to array, rebuild. Remove other drive, add one drive to array, rebuild

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iamlindoro:

done

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Shadow__X:

i thought this way would be faster and be about the same

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iamlindoro:

It's unlikely to be faster or safer

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iamlindoro:

let mdadm do its job

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iamlindoro:

If both drives are marked as failed, just replace both at once and add them to the array

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Shadow__X:

they are not marked as failed yet

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iamlindoro:

Which obviously assumes you're using a raid type that can live after losing two drives

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iamlindoro:

Then do as above

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Shadow__X:

ok so while it is online remove 1 drive and add the new drive to array

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: thanks for the heads up. I thought dd would be better

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iamlindoro:

You can try it, I'm just not sure it would be the best move, that's all

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trumee:

Is it possible that the analogue frequency reported by mythtv could be different to scantv? Both are reporting different frequencies, but the channel is the same?

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trumee:

And i have confirmed that the channel is indeed being broadcast on both the frequencies (by changing freqid in mythweb). What i am wondering about is which one to stick in? I cant judge the quality over vnc!

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trumee:

Mythweb has the value of 174 whereas scantv reports 216.875Hz

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: if i were to lets say dd to the new drive and do as what you said earlier wouldnt mdadm check parity and allow it to the array without needing to rebuild? Or am i taking a chance with the integrity of the cache? I am just trying to understand your reasoning as I know you have more experience with mdadm than i do

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trumee:

Is it posible that 174 in freqid is not actually the frequency but something else?

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trumee:

sphery: bit confused.

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keith4:

Shadow__X: mdadm has the added benefit of rebuilding in the background

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Crys:

trumee: 216Hz? that's too low

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trumee:

Crys: oops, 216.875MHz

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trumee:

Could the number in Mythweb freqid be something else other than a frequency.

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Crys:

trumee: more likely

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trumee:

Could it be a Channel number or something (iirc the freqid input box in mythtv-setup says Channel or Frequency).

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Crys:

trumee: VHF + UHF bands have about 80 channels total

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sphery:

trumee: again, frequency in khz, not mhz

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sphery:

174 = channel number 174 in frequency table, 174000 = 174MHz

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Crys:

trumee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_b . . . _frequencies

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trumee:

sphery: ok if i feed 174 or 216875 in the freqid column, i get the same channel. Should 174 be taken as 174kHz by mythtv

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trumee:

sphery: scratch the second sentence above

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trumee:

sphery: scantv reported a frequency of 216.875Mhz, so i feed 216876kHz in mythweb. However, if i feed 174 (it was there before) i get the same channel. How?

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trumee:

s/get/got

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trumee:

How is 216.875Mhz == 174 (units?) ? Unless 174 is something else.

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sphery:

174 = channel number in frequency table

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trumee:

sphery: crap! i read your sentence. "174 = channel number 174 in frequency table"

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sphery:

i.e. it's a lookup

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trumee:

right now it is CLEAR

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sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro:

And all it took was the same information three times

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trumee:

i thought channel number is the Frontend Channel number

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sphery:

while I'm trying to find a replacement for my broken refrigerator

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trumee:

iamlindoro: yes, because the "channel number" apparently exact in mythtv context.

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trumee:

iamlindoro: and thanks to sphery for clearing it up whereas you didnt bother to replay. Thank you very much!

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trumee:

now i need to dig that frequency lookup table out.

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bergqvistjl:

Does anyone know how to (with mythtv 0.24) force an OSD to display, regardless of the UI theme?

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bergqvistjl:

for instance if i wanted to use the ProjectGraham OSD with Arclight?

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iamlindoro:

You can't

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iamlindoro:

OSD's are part of UI themes in .24

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iamlindoro:

Arclight's OSD is Arclight's OSD

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bergqvistjl:

damn

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bergqvistjl:

what about a theme that doesnt have an OSD associated with it?

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iamlindoro:

It falls back to the default osd

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bergqvistjl:

ok.

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iamlindoro:

just any theme missing any screen

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iamlindoro:

But no, you cannot use the old OSDs as the default

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iamlindoro:

The osd format/theming is completely changed

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bergqvistjl:

what if i overwrote the default with the OSD i wanted to use?

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iamlindoro:

nothing for < .24 is compatible

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

won't work

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iamlindoro:

old OSDs are not MythUI

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iamlindoro:

If you want the OSD to look different, you'll need to edit your UI theme

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iamlindoro:

(and learn MythUI Theming, and MythUI OSD theming)

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bergqvistjl:

well basically what i'm trying to do is use the OSD that came with Arclight in place of the OSD from blue-abstract

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bergqvistjl:

its just Arclight has a base res of 1920x1080 and blue-abstract has a base res of 1280x720

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iamlindoro:

not going to work without serious rewriting/rescaling

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[R]:

that's what she said

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bergqvistjl:

balls

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[R]:

why would she say that?

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nutron:

uhh thought you guys said 24.1 won't be released. Why does the git roadmap show it's due in 26 hours... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap

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wagnerrp:

there are currently no plans to release a 0.24.1

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wagnerrp:

there has been talk of it, depending on how long the settings rewrite takes

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wagnerrp:

but nothing set

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nutron:

That's good enough for me.

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: thanks i decided to go your route so it is rebuilding right now

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Shadow__X:

speed is 43503K/sec i think thats pretty good

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Shadow__X:

i think the lesson to learn from today is. When in doubt listen to iam lindoro

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sid3windr:

liam indoro

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fail2fail:

Hi. I'm running mythweb version 0.22_p22763ddfgg[A[A[B[Bdd16:57 -!- Home page for #mythtv-users: http://www.mythtv.org

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fail2fail:

That didn't look right. I'm running 0.22_p22763 and I have the following error when viewing an ASX stream: 16:57 -!- Home page for #mythtv-users: http://www.mythtv.org

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fail2fail:

Argument "" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at modules/stream/stream_raw.pl line 86.

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fail2fail:

Any thoughts on this?

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iamlindoro:

You're running a very old version of MythTV, the most anyone is likely suggest is that you upgrade to .24

[22:07:26]

iamlindoro:

Quite a lot has been fixed in MythWeb in the 14+ months since your version

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fail2fail:

I guess I need to convince gentoo to make 0.23 stable

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iamlindoro:

or .24, since .23 is out of date too

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fail2fail:

hm. When did .24 come out?

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iamlindoro:

a few months ago

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iamlindoro:

There are numberous ebuilds for .24 TTBOMK

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iamlindoro:

er numerous

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iamlindoro:

several maintained by MythTV devs

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fail2fail:

ok. I probably won't be able to convince cardoe to make .24 stable, but maybe

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iamlindoro:

Gentoo Myth packagers are asleep at the wheel

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iamlindoro:

Use one of the ebuilds produced by myth devs

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fail2fail:

where are those kept?

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iamlindoro:

At least then your package will be produced by someone who has some idea what is going on

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iamlindoro:

Pretty sure we have gentoo ebuild stuff in our own packaging tree

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iamlindoro:

although those may just be for trunk

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fail2fail:

ok. I'll poke around. Thanks for the info.

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iamlindoro:

I don't use gentoo, so you'd need to ask wagnerrp or kormoc_afk which ebuild to use

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fail2fail:

kormoc seemed to have a github repo for myth ebuilds a while back but it has since been deleted

[22:12:17]

wagnerrp:

fail2fail: s/deleted/moved/

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wagnerrp:

http://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo

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wagnerrp:

(semi)official ebuild overlay

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wagnerrp:

maintained by mythtv devs and gentoo users anyway

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wagnerrp:

need to get cardoe to sign off and commit them

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fail2fail:

Looks well-maintained and within ebuild-writing standards — shouldn't be too difficult

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fail2fail:

as I recall, cardoe wanted someone to take over maintenance of mythtv in gentoo, and since I have commit bits I should talk to him

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mtrg:

Hi – can I only run a upnp daemon without the need of running fancy GUI stuff

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mtrg:

I need a UPnP that can do transcoding, and that's pretty much it.

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mtrg:

my UPnP client will provide me with GUI I need

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wagnerrp:

mtrg: mythtv doesnt do transcoding through its upnp daemon

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wagnerrp:

luckily, any upnp client of any worth should handle the mpeg2/ac3 recordings that mythtv makes

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mtrg:

I'm new to mythtv. wagnerrp where does it do transcoding then?

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Shadow__X:

mtrg: if you need transcoding look at mediatomb

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wagnerrp:

the only transcoding it does is batch operation through the jobqueue

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Shadow__X:

mtrg: it does not do transcoding for upnp as wagnerrp has said

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wagnerrp:

it does no real time transcoding

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mtrg:

mediatomb doesn't support xbox 360 :(

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wagnerrp:

thats because the xbox 360 doesnt support upnp

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wagnerrp:

shame microsoft doesnt like to follow even loosly defined standards

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mtrg:

what does xbox do then?

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wagnerrp:

the xbox does something that sorta kinda resembles upnp

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lyricnz:

morning mythboxers

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mtrg:

and mythtv supports it? (mythtv worked with xbox)

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wagnerrp:

but is significantly different that only microsoft media centers, and other applications which have been heavily modified for the differences, can support it

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wagnerrp:

no, mythtv has no special support for the xbox360

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wagnerrp:

it only supports upnp

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fail2fail:

ok. I'm going to get working on testing those new ebuilds. later, and thanks for the help.

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mtrg:

well, weird then. MythTV worked like charm for my xbox IIRC

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wagnerrp:

the xbox and the xbox360 are two completely different units

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wagnerrp:

and for what its worth, the original xbox didnt do upnp either

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lyricnz:

I should try that again some day, last time I tried, didn't work (xbox360)

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mtrg:

all xbox I said, I meant 360

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wagnerrp:

i know weve got some special stuff for windows media player

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wagnerrp:

but i didnt think the 360 worked

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mtrg:

I got one working, from ubuntu binary repos. Not sure if ubuntu folks did other patches

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression you could only send it .dvr-ms files

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wagnerrp:

some funky modification to the mpeg2 standard, just because they could

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: they did some updates to allow for different files

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tgm4883:

we don't add anything for the 360

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: You're thinking of MPEG-2 video

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tgm4883:

unless someone slipped it into our packages

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: there are some files it can do natively but still it is pretty poor overall

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iamlindoro:

360 does limited uPnP, but will not play MPEG-2 unless it's in dvr-ms

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mtrg:

I'm now using gentoo, and based on portage, QT3 is required. But I don't need any graphical front-end — can I still have MythTV?

[22:22:07]

iamlindoro:

Meaning nothing you can record with MythTV will play on XBox uPnP

[22:22:32]

iamlindoro:

it *will* play the occasional AVI/divx file, or if you're really lucky with containers and codecs, a smattering of others

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iamlindoro:

but that's it

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iamlindoro:

no MKV, no MPEG-2, no TS, etc.

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wagnerrp:

mtrg: mythtv has not used qt3 for several years

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mtrg:

qt4 then

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wagnerrp:

mythtv requires qt4

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iamlindoro:

Qt isn't a GUI toolkit

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iamlindoro:

Qt is an application development framework-- from top to bottom, myth is based on it, having little to nothing to do with UI

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wagnerrp:

qt is a library toolkit and general application framework

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** antgel struggles with lirc / imon vfd / remote control // works fine on my old 0.22, on 0.24 box it's broken **

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iamlindoro:

s/based on it/built on it/

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mtrg:

I see — so I still can have a purely-daemonized-non-GUI mythtv on background

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend is gui-less daemon

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iamlindoro:

antgel: None of those have anything to do with MythTV, so the version of MythTV you are running is irrelevant-- it's broken on the version of your distro you have .24 running on

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mtrg:

awesomeness — I'll march installing mythtv now

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mtrg:

thanks wagnerrp, great help

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tgm4883:

360 video format support info http://blogs.msdn.com/b/xboxteam/archive/2007 . . . ack-faq.aspx

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wagnerrp:

you still need at minimum the xorg libraries to run the backend configuration utility

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tgm4883:

I don't think they have updated it since then

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wagnerrp:

you also shouldnt use the gentoo ebuilds

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wagnerrp:

they are all outdated

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wagnerrp:

use the overlay at http://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo

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mtrg:

hmm, xorg libs to run GUI configs?

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iamlindoro:

Qt requirs xorg libs, myth requires Qt.

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend is configured through mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup is an X application

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mtrg:

this is bloated IMO

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iamlindoro:

Then use something else

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J-e-f-f-A:

mtrg: nobody said you had to run MythTV... But if you want the best PVR out there...

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iamlindoro:

you're the one who wants to swat a fly with an ICBM

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wagnerrp:

why is it bloated? what else are you going to use with those couple dozen MB consumed by those libraries?

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antgel:

iamlindoro: hey. you have a point. i upgraded to debian lenny. but still, i'm confused – i compiled the modules etc, and it *should* all work *sigh*

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mtrg:

I need something like FUPPES, uShare, but that works

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iamlindoro:

fuppes, mediashare, mediatomb, etc. are all more capable uPnP servrs than MythTV

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J-e-f-f-A:

but that's *all* they do They aren't a full-blown PVR and Media Center like MythTV is...

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mtrg:

fuppes didn't even start, libs not loaded for a weird reason *shrug* (although it's in the env variables)

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mtrg:

what is "mediashare" website?

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antgel:

iamlindoro: is it "not cricket" to try and get help for my lirc problem in here given the probable extensive lirc knowledge in here?

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J-e-f-f-A:

!jfgi mediashare

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: !url lmgtfy mediashare

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J-e-f-f-A:

ah. ;-) but seems the bot is sleeping... Beirdo ?!? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

antgel: No, it's fine, I am just saying that the way you said it implies it's mythTV's fault, when we have no control over any of those things

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: No, you just need the correct command

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iamlindoro:

!url lmgtfy mediashare

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=mediashare

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ah, you

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J-e-f-f-A:

'escaped it... doh!

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iamlindoro:

no, I just didn't start the line with it

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iamlindoro:

commands have to be the first thing

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antgel:

iamlindoro: didn't mean to imply anything, just started to tell my saga :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ah. unlike the svn version# lookup, the commands have to be first, ok. ;-)

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antgel:

anyway let me get some useful debug info up and running

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Tanthrix:

Anyone here had problems with their HD-PVR suddenly dieing and needing power cycling after 10 months of perfect running?

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antgel:

Tanthrix: probably most of us. i *still* have hard-to-trace stability issues on a machine built over a year ago

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Yes, and you're lucky to have gotten 10 months. Mine need cycling after just a few weeks, maybe more often.

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Tanthrix:

Had mine for just under a year now, and out of the blue last week it quit. So this in dmesg: usb 1–4: device descriptor read/64, error -110. Rebooting the system doesn't fix it, but powercycling it does.

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antgel:

although memtest now fails regularly, so i ordered some new ram

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: (and I have 2 of them)

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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Tanthrix:

Well, given the fact that I've made no changes to the myth box (and no updates are set to install automatically) would I be out of line in assuming the problem is likely a failing HD-PVR?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: I've contemplated putting an X-10 appliance module on them and having a cron job reset them daily if they're not recording...

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

This is worse, it actually causes the backend to die completely when it can't detect /dev/hdpvr.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: I dunno... There are threads out there about a bad power supply unit – search for them and find the threads with pictures of the 'good' and 'bad' supplies, and see if you've got a 'bad' one... Hauppauge will probably replace it for free...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: I don't think my /dev/hdpvr0 & 1 devices go away, just that the hd-pvr gets 'stuck' – either still 'recording', or not 'recording', but myth thinks it is... but a power-cycle (even from the front-panel power button on the HD-PVR) fixes it.

[22:40:58]

Tanthrix:

I might just swap out the power if I can find a suitable transformer around here. 5V, 3A I think.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Oh, and I have to bounce mythbackend after I do that, well, at least I *think* I have to — to get it to properly initialize the HD-PVRs again...

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Tanthrix:

Yikes. Mine has literally worked perfect from day 1. Until 2 weeks ago, I had never power cycled it once.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Then you're in the minority!!!!

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Tanthrix:

That's a shame..now I'm worried that if Hauppuage sends me a replacement it may not work as well as my first one..

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Tanthrix:

Do you happen to know if you can power cycle the unit without having to restart the backend?

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Tanthrix:

Could just stick a lamp timer on it and have it go off every morning at 5am for a minute.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: No, I haven't tried it to tell you the truth. And actually, I've only power-cycled it when it's become a problem, and myth was already trying to use it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Should be an easy test though – while Myth is not using the HD-PVR, un-plug the HD-PVR power for 10 seconds, plug it back in, then wait 20 seconds or so, then try to watch "Live TV" on the HD-PVR and see what happens...

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Tanthrix:

I'll give it a try. Just looked in my box o' wall worts and no compatible supply. Will check at work.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: google for that thread – and see if your wal-wart looks like the 'bad' one – if so, contact Hauppauge, they'll probably ship you the new one for free...

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Tanthrix:

I've been looking, no pics yet.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Mine both look like the PS in this pic from the hauppauge site: http://www.hauppauge.com/pics/hdpvr_package_contents.jpg

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Tanthrix:

I think that's what mine looks like – that is the good one, I presume?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: It's supposed to be. ;-)

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henkie_:

where does mythtv/mythfrontend reads the "LocalHostName" value from? It seems to think sometimes it is a different machine

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henkie_:

i have it specified in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Shadow__X:

one of my user jobs failed in the job queue and now it down not leave the mythweb job queue. What can i do to remove it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Here's some other observations from a SageTV HD-PVR user: http://matthewdippel.blogspot.com/2009/11/sol . . . rror-in.html

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Tanthrix:

Excellent, thanks for the link.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: IIRC, I've got my FiOS STB's fixed to 1080i for HD content and 480i for SD content. And every few weeks I have to reset the HD-PVRs (admittedly, probably only one locks up, but I do both for extra 'insurance'...)

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Tanthrix:

Well that I've had perfect for 10 months, I won't accept anything less ;-)

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Tanthrix:

(And my box is set to 1080i, I think for everything including SD)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: good luck with that!!! DOH! ;-) The only tuners that have been *flawless* in my Myth box for years have been my PVR-250 and 150/500 tuners and my HD-HomeRuns — those HDHR's are bulletproof IMHO. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: one thing to consider – is it getting warm where you are, or is your HD-PVR near a heat source? They seem to lock up more often when 'hot'... During some hot summer days here in the northeast, I had put a small fan blowing on them, as even in my basement it was close to 80F... Just a thought...

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Shadow__X:

nvm i got rid of it

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Shadow__X:

i requeued it in fe and then deleted it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Sorry, I don't have a clue how to do it. ;-)

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: It's in a conditioned space, but generally has good ventilation. Still good be a heat issue though, as you mention. Perhaps a fan may be in order...

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks anyway. I fixed it with what i did above

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Any progress on the 'stream' stuff?

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: sorry to say not yet. I wanted to get my array fixed before i progressed there but it should not be too much longer before i start

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Cool – no pressure. Just checking in. ;-) I've got a couple of days off, maybe I can fiddle around with VLC and see what I can get working... ;-)

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henkie_:

Has the upnp function improved in mythtv 0.24?

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J-e-f-f-A:

henkie_: I know of one improvement – thumbnails now show on a PS3.

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah that would be good. I plan to go in steps. first step would be to get vlc to stream a video file to an ipad/android phone then go from there

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antgel:

iamlindoro: (lircd wasn't running – let's just say i removed the package without realising *blush*)

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J-e-f-f-A:

antgel: ah, the old I.D.10.T error... ;-)

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henkie_:

J-e-f-f-A, ah, I have an n900 and it has problems with finding the media

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henkie_:

not sure tho whos fault that is :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

henkie_: Ah, well the Myth UPnP server is not as complete as fuppy or mediatomb – perhaps you could use mythlink with one of those servers for your n900?

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henkie_:

J-e-f-f-A, I will give that a look

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Jester:

does anyone know if mythweb's streaming feature works in 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

flash or asx?

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henkie_:

Jester, does not work for me

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henkie_:

but almost no files are on the same server as the webserver

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Jester:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

Jester: mythweb cannot stream content from the backend

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Jester:

it worked fine back in the 0.21 days.. then i had probs w/ it in 0.22 and now it appears 0.23 it doesnt work

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Jester:

why can't it

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wagnerrp:

so any recordings you want to stream must exist on the filesystem in the same path as on the backend

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wagnerrp:

because... it just cant, no one has programmed it to do so

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Jester:

no what i'm talking about is a feature that used to work and no longer seems to

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wagnerrp:

flash or asx?

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Jester:

flash

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wagnerrp:

flash was never officially supported

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wagnerrp:

in order to enable it, there is a big red warning box saying it is experimental

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Jester:

yeah i know but it did work in 0.21

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Jester:

at least it worked flawlessly for me

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