| Monday, December 27th, 2010, 00:03 UTC | ||
| [00:03:54] | sphery: | oh |
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| [00:08:41] | sphery: | still several pages with SVN in the title, but all are marked outdated |
| [00:11:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Would you please change SVN on wiki main page? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Main_Page --Change "SVN" to "Trac", http://svn.mythtv.org/ to http://code.mythtv.org/trac and all http://svn.mythtv.org/trac to http://code.mythtv.org/trac . Thanks. :) |
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| [00:20:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and if you're bored, you may want to change the "MythVideo in .22" Featured Article title and link to MythVideo or something |
| [00:21:13] | sphery: | and digital cable switchover probably isn't relevant, now |
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| [00:23:38] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, VDPAU isnt really relevant anymore either |
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| [00:29:33] | NightMonkey: | Happy Holidays, all. I just noticed that my mythfronted is warning that MythCenter wants the "Thorndale" font, and is substituting "DejaVu Sans" (this is in 0.23). |
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| [00:30:01] | NightMonkey: | It's not a problem, but I was curious if you-all prefer a different substitution? |
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| [00:31:12] | [R]: | NightMonkey: huh? |
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| [00:55:45] | sphery: | NightMonkey: it was designed to work with Thorndale (and other proprietary/restricted fonts)--any replacement will likely cause things to not fit |
| [00:55:55] | sphery: | best fix is to not use an old legacy theme :) |
| [00:57:18] | sphery: | even if that means spending about the same time writing your own 4:3 theme from scratch rather than hacking mythcenter's text areas to fit after substituting some font |
| [00:57:32] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development for more :) |
| [00:57:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I agree about vdpau |
| [00:57:46] | sphery: | looks good--thanks for the changes |
| [01:01:11] | sphery: | stupid Ctrl-W in firefox |
| [01:01:28] | sphery: | not delete word, like in any sane app (thanks to readline) |
| [01:02:28] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:02:52] | sphery: | very annoying after you made changes to a wiki page |
| [01:03:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, I could imagine |
| [01:04:32] | Beirdo: | dangit, xris... making me think about changing the internals of the mud again |
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| [01:05:31] | NightMonkey: | sphery: Thanks. I added the "liberation" fonts. It now substitutes that for "Arial", which wasn't what I thought I wanted, but does look better. :) |
| [01:05:47] | sphery: | and still has very wrong metrics |
| [01:06:25] | sphery: | but until someone makes a real 4:3 theme, 4:3 users don't have any good choices |
| [01:06:40] | sphery: | (ok, Childish is actually a great 4:3 theme, but not what most adults want) |
| [01:07:05] | NightMonkey: | sphery: I'd guess that there's not much impetus to make 4:3 themes these days? |
| [01:07:45] | sphery: | as many users as we have who ask about MythCenter and its broken fonts, I'd say that's not true |
| [01:07:53] | ** NightMonkey is still an SD holdout, and doesn't mind the monkeywrenching. ;) ** | |
| [01:07:56] | Beirdo: | well, most people who are theming-types use widescreen, but I'd bet that we have a larger number of 4:3 users than we think |
| [01:07:59] | sphery: | only problem is that those with the impetus seem to lack motivation |
| [01:08:15] | sphery: | agreed... there seem to be quite a few |
| [01:08:22] | Beirdo: | motivation, and/or knowhow |
| [01:08:32] | GreyFoxx: | Merry XMas all |
| [01:08:39] | sphery: | though *none* of the themers were born with the knowhow |
| [01:08:47] | Beirdo: | Happy Boxing Day |
| [01:08:50] | sphery: | they all gained that knowhow through motivation :) |
| [01:08:53] | GreyFoxx: | That too :) |
| [01:09:00] | Beirdo: | sphery: good point :) |
| [01:09:09] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: hello! long time no see. |
| [01:09:19] | sphery: | how was FL? |
| [01:09:29] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, it's been crazy for a while but I'm now coming out from the caves :) |
| [01:09:31] | sphery: | good thing you didn't plan for sticking around for the shuttle launch :) |
| [01:09:39] | GreyFoxx: | It was great! we had a lot of fun : |
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| [01:09:48] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: how's the east coast? I'm enjoying the other coast well enough :) |
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| [01:10:05] | GreyFoxx: | It's great, so far no snow but I suspect that will change tonight or tomorrow :) |
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| [01:10:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:10:23] | Beirdo: | I was out in shorts today |
| [01:10:27] | sphery: | wow |
| [01:10:36] | Beirdo: | but then again... 50F+ is shorts weather for me |
| [01:10:38] | sphery: | it was 49F here, today |
| [01:10:47] | GreyFoxx: | I'm pondering wiping and reinstalling my frontends.... considering switching them to ubuntu but I'm not quite sure yet heh |
| [01:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | they are all woefully out of date |
| [01:11:06] | sphery: | ubuntu is definitely getting lots of attention these days |
| [01:11:07] | Beirdo: | it was maybe 45F today... I regretted my decision quickly enough |
| [01:11:09] | sphery: | seems a good choice for now |
| [01:11:16] | GreyFoxx: | and I'm not sure if I care to manually update them any more |
| [01:11:16] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [01:11:23] | sphery: | don't know how that will hold up after the switch to Unity |
| [01:11:26] | GreyFoxx: | my master backend will remain as is til the end of time |
| [01:11:28] | sphery: | and eventually to Wayland |
| [01:11:36] | sphery: | (though I think Red Hat is going wayland, too) |
| [01:11:42] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: yeah, if you've come to the point of not having time for manual updates, Ubuntu's not too bad |
| [01:11:48] | GreyFoxx: | but the FE's are the ones where I keeping having to upgrade python, QT and other stuff which gets annoying |
| [01:12:14] | Beirdo: | well, Backend will need QT and python upgrades soon enough, I'm sure |
| [01:13:02] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: It's less about time and more about not wanting to upgrade X only to find out I need ABC as well |
| [01:13:12] | GreyFoxx: | so for those machines I might move to Ubuntu |
| [01:13:13] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah |
| [01:13:19] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
| [01:13:33] | sphery: | and *buntu does have some nice auto-build repos that you can use to get current -fixes stuff |
| [01:13:48] | sphery: | definitely nice for maintenane |
| [01:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | I generally prefer to stick to Slackware but stuff like QT and some of the bindings present me with a moving target :) |
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| [01:14:38] | sphery: | I need to upgrade Qt so I can get Qt-Webkit 2, so I can use the broken Flash 10.1+ versions |
| [01:14:44] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [01:14:48] | GreyFoxx: | that's my current pain |
| [01:14:54] | sphery: | then I could actually try MythNetvision |
| [01:15:06] | GreyFoxx: | which is leading me to decide if I want to just scrap it and move to ubuntu or something like it |
| [01:15:54] | GreyFoxx: | and a recent change in the bindings stopped them from compiling so I no longer have mythvideo metadata downloads and such , and I'd have to update python ... so I may just dive in :) |
| [01:16:25] | sphery: | yeah, sounds like a lot of good reasons to consider the switch |
| [01:16:27] | GreyFoxx: | (compiling on my boxes I should clarify) |
| [01:16:31] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [01:16:45] | Beirdo: | dive off that cliff, man :) |
| [01:16:58] | sphery: | best of luck with it... I have to head to the grocery store. later |
| [01:17:05] | GreyFoxx: | later :) |
| [01:17:27] | GreyFoxx: | I susposse if I'm gonna do it I might as well go with 10.10 |
| [01:18:03] | Beirdo: | hmmm, lots of people had issues with lirc-related crap in 10.10 |
| [01:18:10] | Beirdo: | just as long as you're aware :) |
| [01:19:06] | GreyFoxx: | oh? |
| [01:19:18] | [R]: | i dont have any problems wit h10.10 |
| [01:19:21] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, I'll see if they have an iso of the one just before that then :) hehe |
| [01:19:33] | Beirdo: | I think it's because the IR stuff is changing in the kernel, and they were getting confused on how to set it up |
| [01:20:02] | Beirdo: | you're smart enough to figure stuff out though, so you'd probably be just fine anyways |
| [01:20:08] | GreyFoxx: | probably ;) |
| [01:20:22] | GreyFoxx: | I can bypass and patch just about anything :) |
| [01:20:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:20:54] | GreyFoxx: | bunch I've been playing games on the xbox with the kinect for a couple hours so I'm not sure I have the energy to do it tonight hehe |
| [01:20:59] | GreyFoxx: | but I can download the iso heh |
| [01:21:03] | ** Beirdo wonders if there's some Trailer Park Boys on his myth box ** | |
| [01:21:34] | Beirdo: | watched the one with Rush a week or so back :) |
| [01:21:38] | Beirdo: | good stuff. |
| [01:21:59] | GreyFoxx: | We ran into a couple of the actors a few weeks ago hehe nutballs :) |
| [01:22:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:22:25] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:22:31] | Beirdo: | I still like Bubbles |
| [01:22:47] | Beirdo: | great character... not a bad guitarist either |
| [01:23:14] | Coded1: | I'm looking into setting up OTA ATSC for a friend, it's going to be connected to an old CRT TV so I need an external tuner. Was wondering if anyone could offer up any tips or suggestions? |
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| [01:23:31] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [01:23:38] | GreyFoxx: | His character was awesome :) |
| [01:24:22] | GreyFoxx: | Now That I've played with the kinect and voice commands I really want to get around to setting up something similar for myth |
| [01:24:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:24:47] | Coded1: | Mainly I wanted to know about the apparently endless antenna configurations and types... :) |
| [01:26:10] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, maybe I'll still with 10.04 which supposedly has long term support |
| [01:26:14] | GreyFoxx: | s/still/stick |
| [01:26:23] | Beirdo: | that was my choice |
| [01:26:32] | Beirdo: | 10.04.1 LTS (Server version) |
| [01:26:57] | GreyFoxx: | You running that on your FE's now ? |
| [01:27:08] | Beirdo: | FE and BE and devel box |
| [01:27:15] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [01:28:18] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, I should see if this machine is 64-bit capable heh |
| [01:28:33] | Beirdo: | there is a 32bit version of server too |
| [01:28:55] | GreyFoxx: | I usually just install 32 bit everything |
| [01:29:09] | GreyFoxx: | but this machine is a 64bit cpu |
| [01:29:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:29:16] | GreyFoxx: | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ |
| [01:29:22] | GreyFoxx: | figure I'm safe :) |
| [01:29:35] | Beirdo: | myth works fine in 64-bit... the only issue would be likely Flash |
| [01:29:59] | GreyFoxx: | oooh... really.... hrm one of my driving factors for the update was to get flash playing for use with mythnetvision |
| [01:30:17] | Beirdo: | you'll have to ask others about flash |
| [01:30:18] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:30:30] | [R]: | flash works fine for me |
| [01:30:32] | [R]: | 64bit |
| [01:30:44] | Beirdo: | that one I don't use at all, but earlier on, 32bit Flash was always more stable |
| [01:31:05] | Beirdo: | I'd hope they've worked that out by now |
| [01:32:05] | GreyFoxx: | I'll chance it and reinstall if needed later :) |
| [01:32:12] | GreyFoxx: | r : Thanks |
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| [01:41:58] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, Futureshop has a ton of BlueRay titles on for $4.99 and $6.99 tomorrow.... I might have to go over....which will therefore force my purchacing of a BR drive :) |
| [01:42:54] | ** wagnerrp is still a 4:3 user ** | |
| [01:43:05] | ** [R] thinks wagnerrp should join the 21st century ** | |
| [01:44:49] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: you traitor! |
| [01:45:08] | ** wagnerrp has no intention of talking to his mythtv box ** | |
| [01:45:17] | GreyFoxx: | I admit nuffink |
| [01:45:20] | GreyFoxx: | hahaha |
| [01:45:30] | GreyFoxx: | I want to do it just for the hell of it :) |
| [01:50:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: +1 for 64-bit ... I've been running 64-bit on my backend for 2 or 3 years now... |
| [01:51:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Hehehe.. I was in Toronto a few weeks ago and got to go to a Futureshop... ;-) Nice store... |
| [01:52:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: How much snow did you get out your way? We're getting 18" through tomorrow afternoon... DOH! |
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| [01:57:43] | wagnerrp: | couple inches |
| [01:57:48] | wagnerrp: | mostly fluries |
| [01:58:01] | wagnerrp: | well probably end up with <10" for the whole couple weeks of the storm |
| [01:58:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Wow, not too bad... |
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| [01:58:49] | wagnerrp: | i cleaned the driveway with a leaf blower the other day |
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| [01:59:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | HA!.. That's funny – I had the idea of doing that very thing a couple of weeks ago... ;-) Problem is that most of the time it's heavy, wet snow out here... |
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| [02:02:16] | wagnerrp: | blowing it all down to the bottom, it got a bit heavy at the end |
| [02:02:33] | wagnerrp: | i got to thinking about 'improving it' with 'moah powah' |
| [02:03:01] | wagnerrp: | wondering how one of those RC microturbines on a backpack would function as a leaf blower |
| [02:03:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehehe... ;-) Rip off the chainsaw motor and put on a scooter motor... ;-) |
| [02:03:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ there ya go. ;-) |
| [02:04:25] | wagnerrp: | have to refuel it after every use, and have to get in a good stable stance before throttling up |
| [02:04:34] | wagnerrp: | oh, and it cant actually be used as a leaf blower |
| [02:04:43] | wagnerrp: | but hey, would work great for snow |
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| [02:04:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Of course, it might end up MELTING the snow instead of just blowing it... ;-) |
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| [02:08:02] | [R]: | how much should 2gb of ddr2 sodimm cost? |
| [02:08:35] | wagnerrp: | ~$50 |
| [02:09:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Check out kahlon.com <-- lifetime guarantee, super-fast shipping, and low prices... |
| [02:09:22] | [R]: | oh, i saw it for $25... thought it was expensive |
| [02:09:24] | [R]: | so thats good? |
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| [02:10:47] | wagnerrp: | oh wow, memory prices have absolutely plummeted in the past month or so |
| [02:11:13] | [R]: | $37 on that website J-e-f-f-A |
| [02:11:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: A single 2GB sodimm is only $38 at kahlon.com – for any speed from 400 to 667... |
| [02:11:30] | [R]: | i think i'll get the one from ebay |
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| [02:11:44] | wagnerrp: | a single 2GB sodimm is about $25 on newegg |
| [02:11:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Watch the shipping though... |
| [02:11:57] | [R]: | free shipping |
| [02:11:58] | wagnerrp: | free shipping |
| [02:12:01] | [R]: | oh... newegg |
| [02:12:04] | [R]: | i knew i forgot a website |
| [02:12:28] | wagnerrp: | well, $25 for DDR3 |
| [02:12:39] | wagnerrp: | DDR2 is a bit more expensive, $30 |
| [02:12:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | pricewatch is another of my favorites... ;-) |
| [02:13:12] | wagnerrp: | and they dont actually seem to have 400 for sale |
| [02:13:19] | wagnerrp: | 667 and 800 |
| [02:13:21] | [R]: | well $25 on ebay it is |
| [02:13:32] | [R]: | PC6400 is what i need |
| [02:14:58] | [R]: | i see $50 for 4gb at frys |
| [02:15:06] | [R]: | but its PC5300 |
| [02:15:09] | [R]: | will it just run slower? |
| [02:15:21] | wagnerrp: | not substantially |
| [02:15:32] | wagnerrp: | depends on the task |
| [02:15:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Just make sure your laptop/mini/whatever can use a chip that big... |
| [02:15:42] | [R]: | that's what she said... |
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| [02:16:24] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: modern processors are all limited to several hundred GB |
| [02:16:33] | wagnerrp: | you will not be able to hit the capacity limit on a 64-bit processor |
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| [02:16:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Right, but what about the chipset... ;-) |
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| [02:16:47] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [02:17:03] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [02:17:14] | wagnerrp: | the chipset doesnt arbitrarily limit the addressable space |
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| [02:17:28] | wagnerrp: | when they claim something only support 8GB or 16GB of memory |
| [02:17:43] | Beirdo: | I wanna use something like htdigest... but not use apache. |
| [02:17:58] | wagnerrp: | that is just how much memory can be installed with currently available modules and the maximum number of ranks supported by the memory controller |
| [02:18:10] | Beirdo: | I wonder if there's a javascript way of doing it |
| [02:18:30] | Beirdo: | i.e. then the password doesn't go cleartext over the internet |
| [02:18:33] | wagnerrp: | most double sided memory is going to be 2-rank |
| [02:18:41] | wagnerrp: | single sided will be 1-rank |
| [02:18:59] | wagnerrp: | sometimes, if they double up on chips, they can be 4-rank in a single chip |
| [02:19:21] | [R]: | Beirdo: for my work |
| [02:19:28] | [R]: | Beirdo: i got an RSA javascript |
| [02:19:38] | [R]: | Beirdo: the client encrypts it and sends it to the sever rsa encrypted |
| [02:19:41] | wagnerrp: | on many memory controllers, if you have too many ranks per channel, they will drop the clockrate of the memory bus |
| [02:20:01] | [R]: | Beirdo: although i'm sure you oculd just md5 it |
| [02:20:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: and/or drop dual-channel capability... (my stupid old Asus mb) |
| [02:20:20] | [R]: | Beirdo: depends on if you need the plaintext from the serverside |
| [02:20:31] | [R]: | ok, how about this |
| [02:20:34] | wagnerrp: | for example, the original AMD64s, if you used four double sided DIMMS (4-ranks per channel), they would cut the memory bus to 333MHz |
| [02:20:47] | [R]: | 2 1gb sticks vs 1 1gb and 1 2gb... |
| [02:20:51] | [R]: | will it be a big deal? |
| [02:21:02] | wagnerrp: | but if you could find single sided 8GB sticks, the system would happily run with 32GB of installed memory |
| [02:21:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: It won't operate in dual-channel mode, but that would work fine in single-channel mode. |
| [02:21:27] | wagnerrp: | if you have disparate sticks, you cannot run dual channel |
| [02:21:42] | Beirdo: | [R]: yeah, something like that... send the MD5 digest instead of password |
| [02:22:22] | [R]: | Beirdo: you have to use a regular <form> and than just do a javasctip for onsubmit= or whatever its called, than do whatever and send your request with like ajax or somethign, and than return 0 |
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| [02:22:24] | Beirdo: | and I don't mind using javascript to do it as the end site will be heavily AJAX anyways |
| [02:22:39] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [02:22:48] | [R]: | its funner to do it with RSA though :P |
| [02:23:11] | [R]: | iin my work setup, originally i was having the server generate the rsa key on every request |
| [02:23:12] | Beirdo: | thinking of using nginx in front of the internal mud server port |
| [02:23:16] | [R]: | but now it just generates it on startup |
| [02:23:26] | [R]: | than the client does an ajax get to get the rsa params |
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| [02:23:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, I won't be paying for RSA |
| [02:23:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:24:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Is there anything open-source that works with RSA tokens, or is their server required to process the token codes? |
| [02:24:05] | Beirdo: | if I were to do that, it'd be easier just to run https |
| [02:24:16] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: i've seen a few open source solutions for using rsa toeksn |
| [02:24:19] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: dunno hwo they work though |
| [02:25:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Because my company is transitioning away from RSA tokens, and I was thinking "Hey, I wonder if I could use this for my own VPN..." ;-) hehehehe |
| [02:25:18] | [R]: | they die after a few years though... |
| [02:25:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | right. |
| [02:25:28] | [R]: | and i think you need the seed for it to do that |
| [02:25:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | The ones we have ar good for another year or so... |
| [02:26:02] | [R]: | i had one prematurly die on me |
| [02:26:08] | [R]: | not really sure what killed it |
| [02:26:16] | Beirdo: | ever single one I've had died at least a month early |
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| [02:26:30] | Beirdo: | usually 1 month to the day |
| [02:26:34] | [R]: | i bropught it on an airplane |
| [02:26:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've got one that apparently got fried in the airport x-ray machine 3 years ago... Flew to a client site, checked into the hotel, and went to get on the VPN, and it didn't accept the number, so I decided to wait for the next number... |
| [02:26:52] | Beirdo: | like it would say "12/31/2010" but expired on 12/01/2010 |
| [02:27:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | It was then that I realized that it wasn't changing numbers... and the bar on the left wasn't moving, nor the dot blinking... DOH! ;-) |
| [02:27:20] | [R]: | my current one expires in 2013 |
| [02:27:48] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: theres a few solutions for linux though |
| [02:27:51] | [R]: | otp i think they call it |
| [02:28:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Cool, I'll look into it, and see if it's worth the effort. ;-) |
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| [03:10:02] | elmojo: | sphery: was nvidia 260.19.06 one of the driver versions that had issues? |
| [03:10:43] | elmojo: | I just did a comparison on my laptop with 32-bit and 64-bit ubuntu and the 64-bit has was h.264 decoding performance |
| [03:10:54] | elmojo: | hard for me to believe it's the ffmpeg decoding |
| [03:11:27] | elmojo: | err, was h.264 decoding performance should have been worse h.264 playback performance |
| [03:16:26] | sphery: | elmojo: looks like you need 260.19.12 or above: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9144#comment:7 |
| [03:16:44] | sphery: | er, sorry, 260.19.21+ |
| [03:18:01] | elmojo: | now, I just need to figure out how to upgrade :/ |
| [03:18:35] | elmojo: | I thought jya had packages but I don't see any |
| [03:19:07] | jya: | elmojo: there are 260.19.21 packages, and 260.19.29 for that matter |
| [03:19:07] | elmojo: | 260.19.06 is default for the "new" driver |
| [03:19:16] | jya: | nvidia-glx-260 |
| [03:19:21] | elmojo: | let me look at your site again |
| [03:19:30] | jya: | i kept the old name for the package, rather than using nvidia-glx-default |
| [03:19:37] | jya: | so I can easily swap back and forth |
| [03:19:52] | jya: | but personally, I would use nvidia-glx-256 |
| [03:20:57] | elmojo: | jya: I don't see a maverick repo on your site |
| [03:21:12] | jya: | hum... there is .. pretty sure :) |
| [03:21:15] | jya: | let me check |
| [03:21:59] | jya: | i was close to kill myself 10 minutes ago, as I screwed our ZFS partition on our main server at work... but got the data back ... so i can relax and look for repo |
| [03:22:13] | elmojo: | jya: got it working |
| [03:22:19] | jya: | you did? |
| [03:22:22] | jya: | so it's there? |
| [03:22:29] | jya: | i made one, but I honnestly never tested it |
| [03:22:36] | elmojo: | maverick works but it's not listed on your site |
| [03:22:55] | elmojo: | (I'm sure lucid would have worked too) |
| [03:23:05] | jya: | you will have less problem with 256.x , it doesn't have this massive leak introduced in 260 (and fixed in 260.19.21) |
| [03:23:18] | jya: | I get massive amount of opengl weirdness |
| [03:23:30] | jya: | black square where there should be transparency |
| [03:23:31] | elmojo: | downloading 256 now... it's odd the playback performance is worse on 64-bit Ubuntu than 32-bit Ubuntu |
| [03:23:43] | elmojo: | I was anticipating a 15–20% improvement |
| [03:23:49] | jya: | and when you cancel vdpau playback, you're left with a background of the last frame in B&W |
| [03:24:06] | jya: | i can't say I've noticed a difference |
| [03:24:18] | elmojo: | I'm noticing worse performance |
| [03:24:21] | jya: | main frontend is 32 bits, backend is 64 bits, both use vdpau |
| [03:24:35] | jya: | well, can't say I looked at the performance tbh |
| [03:24:42] | jya: | just that it looks the same :) |
| [03:24:54] | elmojo: | not using vdpau since this laptop only has 256MB mem |
| [03:24:55] | jya: | so now if the CPU is more busy using vdpau , i can't say |
| [03:25:00] | jya: | ahh |
| [03:25:03] | elmojo: | graphics memory that is |
| [03:25:12] | jya: | i use 256MB laptop with vdpau |
| [03:25:26] | jya: | i just turned off the opengl graphic, using Qt instead |
| [03:25:49] | jya: | and i only did so because everyone told me 256MB wasn't enough, so i didn't even try |
| [03:26:02] | jya: | but if you were using 260.xx |
| [03:26:16] | elmojo: | for h.264 1080i/p it's not enough for me |
| [03:26:33] | jya: | that could be the reason, they are absolute shit. can't believe nvidia can introduce such regressions from one version to the next |
| [03:26:38] | elmojo: | no, I've had this issue for years with not enough resources and vdpau |
| [03:27:30] | jya: | 256MB used to be fine at 0.21–0.22 |
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| [03:40:27] | elmojo: | jya: do you every playback hd-pvr 1080i or bluray 1080p with VDPAU with only 256MB? |
| [03:40:38] | elmojo: | cause I've never been successful |
| [03:40:40] | jya: | not hd-pvr |
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| [03:40:56] | elmojo: | you sure you don't have 256MB + some shared memory? |
| [03:40:59] | jya: | don't have one, but seems fine for all I'm trying to play |
| [03:41:16] | jya: | elmojo: it's a MBP with a GT330M, no shared memory |
| [03:43:50] | elmojo: | at any rate... software playback on ubuntu 10.10 64-bit is much worse than ubuntu 10.04 32-bit! |
| [03:44:07] | elmojo: | it maybe why we've seen reports of 0.24 having worse playback |
| [03:44:18] | elmojo: | it's because they updated their distro too |
| [03:45:10] | elmojo: | wonder if it's kernel related or not... might try mplayer to see if I get the same result |
| [03:45:18] | jya: | would it be 10.10 or 32 vs 64? |
| [03:45:30] | elmojo: | dunno |
| [03:45:38] | jya: | few regression in 2.6.36 kernel tool if that's what they are using |
| [03:45:46] | elmojo: | I changed too many variables :) |
| [03:45:59] | jya: | on GTxxx they can loose stereo playback |
| [03:46:16] | jya: | and by loose, I mean, no audio at all, can't open the audio card in 2 channels mode anymore |
| [03:46:26] | elmojo: | alsa bug? |
| [03:46:28] | jya: | this depends on your TV and the amp you are using... |
| [03:46:38] | jya: | alsa/kernel driver bug |
| [03:47:08] | jya: | the way it now reads the eld (edid like data) |
| [03:48:17] | jya: | in >= 2.6.36, they check of the're an ELD, this lets the device connected via hdmi tell the PC/DVD etc... what features are supported (how many channels, AC3, DTS, DTS-HD etc..) |
| [03:49:11] | jya: | alsa use that info to restrict what it can do.. problem is that some assumptions made in the kernel are wrong. so if the amp report 8 channels, alsa only let you use 8 channels, not 2,3,4,5 ... 8 minimum |
| [03:49:20] | jya: | for eld info: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:HDAudi . . . capabilities |
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| [03:50:57] | dboisvert: | I was wondering what hardware I would need for mythtv to work with comcast digital, or am I pretty much boned? |
| [03:51:25] | Coded1: | you are likely boned my friend |
| [03:51:45] | Coded1: | trying to connect via HDMI? |
| [03:52:19] | dboisvert: | That would be prefered |
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| [03:52:37] | [R]: | dboisvert: if you want to record from a cable box |
| [03:52:40] | [R]: | in hd |
| [03:52:43] | [R]: | you need an hdpvr |
| [03:53:05] | Shadow__X: | or for select lucky people firewire |
| [03:53:21] | Coded1: | HDCP has been cracked so there is a possibility in the future for some sort of hope |
| [03:53:23] | Shadow__X: | but, thats not the most reliable option *even* when it works |
| [03:53:32] | wagnerrp: | Coded1: no there isnt |
| [03:54:15] | Coded1: | wagnerrp, I figured if the encryption could be hit with a MITM attack you could recover the raw stream? |
| [03:54:23] | dboisvert: | My understanding on this is that comcast scrambles their digital signals making it impossible for other hardware to pick up their signals |
| [03:54:44] | wagnerrp: | sure, and youve got to recode and record the raw signals at massive bitrates |
| [03:55:01] | wagnerrp: | dboisvert: hes talking about recording HDMI coming off the cable box |
| [03:55:18] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that's what she said |
| [03:55:18] | wagnerrp: | when actually, you want to use an HDPVR and capture the component video output from the cable box |
| [03:56:00] | Coded1: | HDMI has a rate of about 22Gb/s no? |
| [03:56:14] | dboisvert: | So take the output from the comcast box and feed it to an HDPVR card? |
| [03:56:42] | wagnerrp: | dboisvert: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
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| [04:02:19] | elmojo: | jya: looks like mplayer is very close except for a slightly higher Xorg cpu usage increase |
| [04:03:05] | jya: | are you comparing the same thing though? by default mplayer would do no deinterlacing whatsoever |
| [04:03:06] | elmojo: | maybe mythtv needs some profiling.... I probably should also check my audio config |
| [04:03:17] | elmojo: | yes mplayer with no config |
| [04:05:28] | jya: | what about mythtv with no config either ? |
| [04:06:37] | dboisvert: | wagnerrp: thanks |
| [04:10:08] | elmojo: | jya: it's the same playback profile and audio config |
| [04:10:41] | jya: | elmojo: just trying to remove potential culprit, what deinterlacer are you using? opengl ones? |
| [04:11:05] | elmojo: | using the Slim profile |
| [04:11:39] | elmojo: | looks like Xorg cpu consumption is higher for both mplayer and mythtv on 10.10/64-bit |
| [04:11:57] | elmojo: | probably just the way the newer kernel handles the threading or something |
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| [04:35:34] | elmojo: | anyone out there running Ubuntu 10.10 with nvidia proprietary drivers who can check their Xorg cpu usage while playing back video using Xv and software decoding (Slim profile)? |
| [04:37:25] | Shadow__X: | elmojo: that would probably be a quesiton better asked in the mythbuntu channel |
| [04:37:36] | Shadow__X: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [04:41:34] | elmojo: | Shadow_X: thanks |
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| [04:59:11] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i can't get mythfs to export on samba... is there anything magic to do? i don't remember having to do anyting special last time |
| [04:59:22] | wagnerrp: | ugh... someone updated one of the failwhale scripts |
| [04:59:36] | wagnerrp: | mythfs works just fine over samba for me |
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| [05:01:11] | wagnerrp: | make sure you have the 'allow_other' option? |
| [05:01:38] | [R]: | i do |
| [05:01:44] | [R]: | and i have nothing useful in the samba log |
| [05:01:54] | [R]: | [2010/12/26 21:58:04.694754, 1] smbd/vfs.c:932(check_reduced_name) |
| [05:01:54] | [R]: | check_reduced_name: couldn't get realpath for * |
| [05:02:12] | [R]: | mythfs.py /mythfs/recordings fuse.mythfs.py rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other 0 0 |
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| [05:07:53] | wagnerrp: | thats a lot of crap |
| [05:08:06] | [R]: | whats a lot of crap? |
| [05:08:20] | wagnerrp: | all those options |
| [05:08:29] | [R]: | oh, must be ubuntu defaults |
| [05:10:40] | wagnerrp: | im not sure how thats supposed to work |
| [05:11:05] | wagnerrp: | as there is no target |
| [05:11:16] | [R]: | ? |
| [05:11:32] | [R]: | that was from /proc/mounts |
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| [05:32:18] | [R]: | wagnerrp: getting some kind of python erorrs |
| [05:33:48] | [R]: | wagnerrp: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/0YYcC2MJ |
| [05:33:54] | [R]: | wagnerrp: when i try to do an ls from smbclient |
| [05:35:22] | wagnerrp: | do you have a recording named 'mythfs'? |
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| [05:35:30] | [R]: | no |
| [05:35:51] | wagnerrp: | then of course that is going to return an error |
| [05:36:13] | [R]: | its getting an error from /* first |
| [05:36:29] | [R]: | what does your smb.conf entry look like? |
| [05:36:45] | wagnerrp: | is the mountpoint the root of your samba share? |
| [05:37:04] | [R]: | the share is /mythfs/recordings |
| [05:38:12] | [R]: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/7uNQFHKJ |
| [05:38:16] | [R]: | that is if the share is just /mythfs |
| [05:38:17] | wagnerrp: | try sharing /mythfs |
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| [05:50:16] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i noticed that whne doing ls directly on the filesystem vs samba... ls does an opendir and readdir, and samba is failing on this LOOKUP /* |
| [05:50:50] | wagnerrp: | ls works? |
| [05:51:01] | [R]: | from the commandline |
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| [05:51:13] | [R]: | i can navigate the filesystem locally just fine |
| [05:51:21] | [R]: | but hwne i try to use samba vs smbclient it doesnt work |
| [05:51:27] | [R]: | samba via* |
| [05:51:31] | wagnerrp: | what version of samba? |
| [05:51:51] | [R]: | 3.5.4 |
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| [06:19:21] | [R]: | wagnerrp: hrm, looks like i managed to get nfs working for exporting the mythfs |
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| [06:45:04] | Jester: | hey guys anyone in that could answer a quick? for me |
| [06:45:35] | wagnerrp: | you know the rules |
| [06:45:56] | Jester: | looking at buying the following ZOTAC but I'm unsure as to whether or not the AMD /Radeon HD 3200 combo will play well w/ linux/mythtv |
| [06:45:57] | Jester: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173006 |
| [06:46:15] | wagnerrp: | (and if you dont... http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Should_I_ask_if_I_ . . . _question.3F ) |
| [06:46:40] | Jester: | haha sorry wagnerrp .. was buying myself time to think? lol |
| [06:47:09] | wagnerrp: | while a 1.5GHz AMD X2 will have gobs more power than an Atom, it still insufficient for nearly anything HD |
| [06:47:27] | sphery: | that's an AMD Neo, though |
| [06:47:30] | wagnerrp: | well, maybe it can handle some lower bitrate, sliced H264 |
| [06:47:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: there a difference? |
| [06:47:45] | wagnerrp: | either way, its got AMD graphics |
| [06:47:46] | sphery: | it's the one you said would be about 30% faster than an atom |
| [06:47:57] | sphery: | and, yeah, AMD graphics is a minus |
| [06:48:03] | wagnerrp: | AMD graphics are generally poor on linux |
| [06:48:15] | wagnerrp: | and they dont have the nice VDPAU that makes IONs otherwise palatable |
| [06:48:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was referring to some 1.2GHz Neo |
| [06:48:36] | wagnerrp: | this one is 1.5 |
| [06:48:42] | Jester: | yeah this is all what i've feared |
| [06:48:52] | wagnerrp: | do you need tiny? |
| [06:49:18] | Jester: | not really.. just trying to stay cheap |
| [06:49:32] | Jester: | i would like to go no larger than an ITX mobo if I do a build |
| [06:49:32] | wagnerrp: | you can get a full system 'cheap' |
| [06:49:56] | Jester: | i just built a server on the "cheap" and it ended up costing me far more than planned lol |
| [06:50:16] | wagnerrp: | thats because the server requires all sorts of hard drives and tuner cards |
| [06:50:33] | Jester: | yeah i know.. i talked to you about the raid configuration yesterday |
| [06:50:38] | Jester: | 3-WD 2tbs |
| [06:51:02] | sphery: | ah, you said 75% better than the Atom, clock for clock |
| [06:51:40] | Jester: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173011 |
| [06:51:43] | Jester: | thoughts on that one? |
| [06:51:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2010-12-15:18:04:30 |
| [06:52:02] | Jester: | unless i could build a "whole" system for less than that |
| [06:52:02] | sphery: | it was a 1.6GHz Neo + "ION" |
| [06:52:08] | sphery: | http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/07/acer-revo- . . . pad-and-all/ |
| [06:52:14] | Jester: | I also want minimal wattage |
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| [06:52:37] | wagnerrp: | why do you want minimal wattage? |
| [06:52:53] | Jester: | just try to keep energy usage low, within reason |
| [06:53:03] | Jester: | its not a prime concern but I don't want to eat the energy either |
| [06:53:04] | wagnerrp: | so turn the system off when youre not using it |
| [06:53:26] | wagnerrp: | duty cycle is a much better mechanism for electrical conservation than low power |
| [06:53:30] | sphery: | I'm going to trade in my 60mpg car for a 120mpg car... It's the same benefit as trading my 30mpg car for a 60mpg car, right? |
| [06:53:48] | Jester: | yes but there's a good possibility i'll be running this frontend off of a car inverter |
| [06:54:07] | Jester: | haha |
| [06:54:58] | sphery: | if you want minimal power draw, you're much better off with an nvidia vdpau-based system |
| [06:55:05] | Jester: | i wonder how cheap i could build an ITX box for.. probably not <$250 which is what I'm looking at for a Zotac which I know will do what I want |
| [06:55:17] | Jester: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173005 |
| [06:55:29] | Jester: | from the reviews it sounds like this may make a great frontend |
| [06:55:39] | sphery: | nice Core 2 Duo with integrated, vdpau-capable graphics would be great |
| [06:56:12] | sphery: | we all know my feelings about Atom, so I won't say anything about that |
| [06:56:55] | Jester: | side though: the server i built has a radeon 4250 integral to the mobo, athon x2 3.0ghz... do you think I'll have 1080p playback issues? |
| [06:57:21] | sphery: | athlon x2 3.0ghz should be fine for software decode |
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| [06:57:32] | Jester: | so far I've only played off live cd's using the generic driver and it seems like the CPU has more than enough power to handle the load |
| [06:57:36] | sphery: | so only real problems with it will be the video drivers :) |
| [06:57:37] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=19029067 |
| [06:58:12] | wagnerrp: | that one gets you enough power to do all your decoding in software |
| [06:58:20] | sphery: | nice |
| [06:58:24] | wagnerrp: | and VDPAU as a backup for anything unexpected |
| [06:58:37] | Jester: | wagnerrp, you may be my new best virtual friend ;) |
| [06:58:56] | wagnerrp: | and puts you at the same place component-wise as either of those ZOTAC barebones |
| [06:59:17] | wagnerrp: | meaning you still need a hard drive if you cant do netboot, and you need a IR receiver |
| [06:59:33] | Jester: | yeah .. i was considering looking into PXE |
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| [06:59:47] | Jester: | that or just booting off flash stick.. assuming bios would support |
| [07:00:41] | wagnerrp: | if you are considering putting this in a car, you should really consider one of these... http://www.mini-box.com/M3-ATX-DC-DC-ATX-Auto . . . category=101 |
| [07:00:45] | Jester: | i have a bunch of 1–2gig flash sticks that lighting reps bring their PDF catalogs on... rip the pdf off, if i feel like keeping it, and presto.. new flash drive :P |
| [07:01:31] | Jester: | good point.. |
| [07:01:50] | wagnerrp: | you wire it right into your DC harness (rather than pulling off the alternator) |
| [07:02:00] | Jester: | its a potential to be put in a car.. well boat really |
| [07:02:03] | wagnerrp: | it can handle low voltage for when your engine is cranking |
| [07:02:15] | sphery: | wow, a new picopsu |
| [07:02:27] | wagnerrp: | and it has an automated shutdown timer run off your ignition circuitry so it doesnt drain your battery |
| [07:02:35] | sphery: | last I looked, this was the top of the line: http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f?sc=8&category=13 |
| [07:02:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: nah, its been around a couple years |
| [07:02:59] | Jester: | my gf and i have talked about buying a cuddy cruizer .. figure if we do it'd be nice to be able to copy my database over to the frontend box and the recordings over to an external and enjoy on the boat |
| [07:03:04] | wagnerrp: | the desktop and automotive PSUs have always been separate |
| [07:03:21] | sphery: | well, it's new to me |
| [07:03:30] | sphery: | I last looked about 4 or 5 years ago |
| [07:03:41] | wagnerrp: | ok... yeah, its new from 4–5 years ago |
| [07:04:12] | Jester: | wagnerrp, looking at the case in the wishlist you posted.. it'll old a laptop cd/dvd-rom drive correct? |
| [07:04:21] | Jester: | hold* |
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| [07:04:42] | wagnerrp: | it looks like it will take a slim drive |
| [07:04:53] | sphery: | here's one that will run your huge 22TB storage array: http://www.opussolutions.net/catalog/product_ . . . oducts_id=48 |
| [07:05:27] | Jester: | speaking of arrays i still need to get mine off the ground |
| [07:05:49] | wagnerrp: | 11 drives and a full system booting off a single 360W PSU? |
| [07:05:59] | Jester: | i was trying to build my raid via livecd so i could pull data off my 1tb (to be OS drive) |
| [07:06:44] | Jester: | i know this is probably a stupid question but after you build a raid do you need to reformat the raid? |
| [07:07:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: with proper puis, of course |
| [07:07:00] | wagnerrp: | you dont format a raid, you format a partition |
| [07:07:15] | Jester: | i had each partition formated ext4 but even after it was fully built/recovered it wasnt allowing me to mount it flagging something about the filesystem |
| [07:07:29] | wagnerrp: | you initialize a raid (write it all to zeros) |
| [07:07:45] | wagnerrp: | a raid array effectively exists as a single hard drive on your system |
| [07:07:48] | wagnerrp: | you treat it as such |
| [07:07:56] | wagnerrp: | partition and format it as desired |
| [07:08:17] | Jester: | so what would have been the problem then?> |
| [07:08:27] | Jester: | i tried to mount it via disk utility even |
| [07:08:47] | wagnerrp: | each partition? what did you use to partition it? |
| [07:09:03] | Jester: | no i tried to mount the raid .. /dev/md1 |
| [07:09:17] | wagnerrp: | so it was unpartitioned? |
| [07:09:32] | Jester: | and i believe I used disk utility to partition and format each partition to ext4 |
| [07:09:41] | Jester: | then used mdadm to create the raid |
| [07:09:47] | wagnerrp: | no idea what 'disk utility' is |
| [07:09:51] | wagnerrp: | wait... what? |
| [07:09:58] | Jester: | its ubuntu's generic thing |
| [07:10:07] | wagnerrp: | you partitioned each disk, formatted to ext4, and then used mdadm to create the raid? |
| [07:10:09] | Jester: | comes preloaded on the livecd |
| [07:10:15] | wagnerrp: | your steps are a bit out of sequence there |
| [07:10:15] | Jester: | yes sir |
| [07:10:30] | Jester: | thats what i'm wondering about |
| [07:11:01] | Jester: | should I have created the partitions, unformated, ... created the raid.. then formatted ? |
| [07:11:12] | wagnerrp: | what would you unformat? |
| [07:11:46] | wagnerrp: | for completeness... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=19029107 |
| [07:12:00] | wagnerrp: | intel version ^^^ |
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| [07:12:02] | Jester: | using the disk utility thing you can format the entire raid .. i'm assuming it just goes back down to each partition |
| [07:12:10] | wagnerrp: | a bit more expensive, a bit more powerful, a bit less power consuming |
| [07:12:15] | wagnerrp: | but you dont get VDPAU |
| [07:12:20] | Jester: | probably disables the raid, formats then reinitializes the riad |
| [07:12:31] | wagnerrp: | RAID operates at the disk level |
| [07:12:53] | wagnerrp: | your RAID controller, or mdadm in this case, uses the direct disks |
| [07:12:56] | Jester: | and that mobo supports HDMI :) |
| [07:13:01] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: what about psu unless i am missing something |
| [07:13:14] | wagnerrp: | sd2, sd4, sd6, etc.... |
| [07:13:18] | Jester: | yeah |
| [07:13:34] | wagnerrp: | so it takes the disks, does its magic, and provides you with a completely new disk |
| [07:13:56] | wagnerrp: | now that new disk, you treat as any other disk |
| [07:14:03] | wagnerrp: | you partition and format it as you wish |
| [07:14:06] | Jester: | mdadm --create --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| [07:14:17] | wagnerrp: | no... dont dick around with the partitions |
| [07:14:23] | wagnerrp: | give mdadm the whole disk |
| [07:15:06] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: eh? |
| [07:15:07] | Shadow__X: | so /dev/sdb |
| [07:15:11] | Jester: | so you give mdadm the whole block device /dev/sdb? |
| [07:15:20] | wagnerrp: | the whole thing |
| [07:15:28] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: in the newegg wishlist i did not see a powersupply listed or i might be missing some scrollback |
| [07:15:48] | wagnerrp: | the case comes with a 200W PSU |
| [07:16:07] | wagnerrp: | probably cheap crap |
| [07:16:09] | Shadow__X: | oh sorry i missed that |
| [07:16:15] | wagnerrp: | but thats what you get if you want a case that small |
| [07:16:20] | Jester: | lol |
| [07:16:21] | wagnerrp: | they dont make nice small PSUs |
| [07:16:37] | Jester: | eh I'll just make my own transformer down the road |
| [07:16:40] | Shadow__X: | i have seen some boards use a laptop style powerbrick as power |
| [07:16:49] | wagnerrp: | and while you can get a picopsu, you get stuck with a cheap crap powerbrick |
| [07:16:56] | wagnerrp: | or an even cheaper crappier wall wart |
| [07:17:16] | wagnerrp: | that is unless youre doing something really funky like running it straight off a battery |
| [07:17:16] | Jester: | I'm sure i could go to the discount electronics store down the road and pull a power supply from some military piece of equipment |
| [07:17:22] | wagnerrp: | which isnt a half bad idea |
| [07:17:40] | wagnerrp: | military gear is designed for robustness, not efficiency |
| [07:17:53] | Jester: | yeah i know.. just saying i could get it cheap |
| [07:18:00] | Jester: | I live by wright patterson afb |
| [07:18:19] | Jester: | this electronics place has all kinds of crazy stuff in there |
| [07:18:24] | wagnerrp: | expect it to be big, bulky, around 60% efficient, poor PFC, and it will outlive you |
| [07:18:35] | Jester: | haha |
| [07:18:42] | Jester: | probably true on all accounts |
| [07:19:12] | Jester: | I may end up buying about that entire wishlist you just posted though |
| [07:19:47] | Jester: | may shop for mobo's elsewhere to see what i can find price wise but with respects to hardware, i like |
| [07:20:24] | Jester: | have any of you used linuxMCE? |
| [07:20:34] | Jester: | I tried it years ago and wasn't impressed |
| [07:20:35] | wagnerrp: | its a mythtv fork |
| [07:20:52] | wagnerrp: | the open source version of plutohome |
| [07:21:12] | wagnerrp: | basically, mythtv with a whole bunch of home automation stuff bundled in |
| [07:21:34] | Jester: | is it possible to get it to communicate with a different myth-backend? |
| [07:21:51] | Shadow__X: | its also pretty out dated |
| [07:21:53] | Jester: | I wouldn't mind putting it on a purely frontend box just to play with for a bit |
| [07:22:07] | wagnerrp: | that depends on its version |
| [07:22:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only allows connections from like versions |
| [07:22:30] | wagnerrp: | the protocol and schema version both need to match |
| [07:23:12] | Jester: | yeah |
| [07:23:57] | wagnerrp: | that looks like supermicro gear theyre selling |
| [07:24:39] | wagnerrp: | WOW that site is old |
| [07:25:10] | Jester: | wagnerrp, if you dont mind would you give me some sudo code for a raid 5 array using mdadm.. want to make sure my understanding of implementation is correct |
| [07:25:22] | wagnerrp: | maximum capacity is 10TB, consisting of 10 6x200GB RAID5 arrays spread across 5 systems |
| [07:25:30] | wagnerrp: | no, i cant |
| [07:25:34] | wagnerrp: | ive never used mdadm |
| [07:25:50] | wagnerrp: | and a dual xeon, with ddr333 |
| [07:25:50] | Jester: | what do you use? |
| [07:26:02] | wagnerrp: | an areca hardware controller |
| [07:26:09] | wagnerrp: | what is that stuff... circa 2003? |
| [07:26:13] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: what site |
| [07:26:19] | wagnerrp: | plutohome |
| [07:26:22] | Jester: | ohh high roller lo |
| [07:26:31] | wagnerrp: | their 'core' machine |
| [07:27:01] | Jester: | what are you guys running as your "core machines" |
| [07:27:33] | wagnerrp: | an old dual core opteron, with 2GB of ddr and a dozen hard drives |
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| [07:28:02] | Jester: | nice |
| [07:28:13] | Jester: | purely backend or fe/be? |
| [07:28:15] | wagnerrp: | nice maybe 5yrs ago when i bought it |
| [07:28:21] | wagnerrp: | now, its limiting |
| [07:28:29] | wagnerrp: | low on CPU, low on memory |
| [07:28:38] | Jester: | yeah but you got years of live out of it |
| [07:28:49] | Shadow__X: | s/live/life |
| [07:28:51] | Jester: | i'm retiring my p4 2.8 w/ this new box |
| [07:29:55] | Shadow__X: | Jester: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mdadm+create+raid+5 |
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| [07:30:18] | Shadow__X: | my fe/be right now is a 3ghz c2d 4gb ram with a bunch of 1tb drives |
| [07:30:42] | Jester: | ha ha shadow.. i've already been researching. I've just been getting conflicting results depending where i look |
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| [07:31:22] | Shadow__X: | conflicting as in how |
| [07:32:01] | Jester: | well some were saying that the hdd's needed to be partitioned first |
| [07:32:14] | Jester: | some said that partitions needed to be formatted and other said not |
| [07:32:33] | Jester: | but then wagnerrp said that you give the raid the entire block device, not just a partition |
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| [07:32:49] | Jester: | ie, /dev/sda rather than /dev/sda1 |
| [07:33:14] | wagnerrp: | you can run mdadm on a partition rather than the root device |
| [07:33:21] | Jester: | all examples i see they're using partitions and not the entire block device |
| [07:33:40] | wagnerrp: | but there is no real purpose to partioning a device that you intend to use for RAID |
| [07:33:45] | Jester: | i'm wondering if for a softraid if it doesnt have to be on the partition |
| [07:33:46] | wagnerrp: | unless you intend to set up multiple arrays |
| [07:33:56] | Shadow__X: | i have seen that as well but, i have an array and i used the root device |
| [07:34:04] | wagnerrp: | if you do hardware raid, you /cannot/ partition the root block device |
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| [07:34:21] | Jester: | yeah.. alright things are making more sense now |
| [07:34:34] | wagnerrp: | if you format the block devices prior to creating the array, the partition will simply get erased when mdadm initializes the array |
| [07:34:48] | Jester: | does the block device need to have a partition table created for it prior to creating the raid? |
| [07:35:00] | wagnerrp: | and anything using parity MUST initialize the entire array |
| [07:35:19] | wagnerrp: | it can, if you wish to only use one partition on the disk in the array |
| [07:35:31] | wagnerrp: | if you intend to use the entire disk in one array, there is no reason to |
| [07:35:40] | Jester: | alright |
| [07:35:52] | Jester: | see the issue is, i'm going to have 2 different arrays |
| [07:36:13] | Shadow__X: | on the same disks |
| [07:36:14] | Jester: | one being a raid5 using the entire device (2TB hdd) |
| [07:36:35] | wagnerrp: | are these two separate arrays going to exist on the same disks? |
| [07:36:45] | Jester: | and the other will be a mirror, mirroring the OS.. probably (2) 25 gig partitions |
| [07:36:57] | Jester: | no they'll be different disks |
| [07:37:06] | wagnerrp: | then it doesnt matter |
| [07:37:33] | Jester: | but the two smaller in the mirror array will only be a 25gig partition .. the rest of the disks will be used for storage of recordings |
| [07:37:54] | wagnerrp: | then the mirror will need to be built off individual partitions |
| [07:38:03] | wagnerrp: | while the raid5 array takes the entire disk |
| [07:38:12] | Jester: | still unsure as to whether or not its a wise idea to have my OS on the same drive that I'm recording to.. hence me mirroring the os partition |
| [07:38:25] | Jester: | alright, thats my understanding of it also |
| [07:38:44] | wagnerrp: | also note that fdisk is both unnecessary on the raid5 array |
| [07:38:50] | Jester: | thanks wagnerrp .. I talked to other ppl about this configuration earlier and I dont think they quite understood my intentions |
| [07:38:53] | wagnerrp: | and due to the size of it, incapable of being used anyway |
| [07:39:11] | Jester: | alright |
| [07:39:19] | wagnerrp: | you can just format the root block device produced by mdadm |
| [07:39:26] | wagnerrp: | or you can partition it up using gpt |
| [07:39:36] | Jester: | alright |
| [07:39:49] | Jester: | i think i understand how that all works now |
| [07:40:03] | Jester: | thanks wagnerrp .. wish i had talked to you about 48hrs ago ;) |
| [07:40:13] | Jester: | well probably closer to 72 now lol |
| [07:41:06] | Jester: | just to get a little more A.D.D. going tonight.. have you guys any experience with mythbuntu or mythdora? |
| [07:41:10] | ** wagnerrp wonders if 'slavehandler.cpp' is a poor choice for a filename ** | |
| [07:42:04] | sphery: | perhaps remotehandler.cpp? |
| [07:42:09] | Jester: | speaking of FSs.. think ext4 will be alright for my raid? |
| [07:42:23] | wagnerrp: | never used it |
| [07:43:25] | Jester: | the ppl i spoke with on #ubuntu a few days ago seemed to think it was the better way to go. not sure how much i trust that tho |
| [07:43:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: theres a /whole/ lot of stuff in here that could really use a good rethink and rewrite |
| [07:43:55] | wagnerrp: | stuff clumped together that doesnt really make any sense |
| [07:44:04] | wagnerrp: | other than, that was just the most convenient place to put it at the time |
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| [07:46:01] | wagnerrp: | im replacing the existing PlaybackSock with special handlers for slave backend connections, file transfers, and then just a collector for everything else |
| [07:46:55] | sphery: | so, Jester's mentioning running a box in the car got me to trying to figure out a way to power a http://www.netgear.com/products/service-provi . . . BR624GU.aspx in the car--ideally by charging an external (not the car's) battery and then pulling off that battery when the car is not running. Looks like http://www.powerstream.com/DC-UPS-1212.htm would work for the connect to car/charge battery/switch ... |
| [07:47:02] | sphery: | ... over part--so now I just have to figure out how to do take the DC output and make it into what the router wants... |
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| [07:47:25] | sphery: | oh, so slavehandler.cpp is already a filename? funny. |
| [07:47:35] | sphery: | and, yeah, that's probably how things got there |
| [07:47:38] | sphery: | convenience |
| [07:47:55] | wagnerrp: | no, im looking for a name for the command and socket handler for connected slave backends |
| [07:48:11] | wagnerrp: | and well... slavehandler just makes sense for the name |
| [07:48:49] | Jester: | sphery, interesting.. i really think this'd be handy on a boat ;) |
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| [07:49:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: My brother just got one of those for his 'Cricket Broadband' usb modem in CA... he says it works great... |
| [07:50:03] | sphery: | the netgear? |
| [07:50:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I think so... /me checks his message... ;-) |
| [07:52:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Sorry, no – he got a "Cradlepoint" router: http://cradlepoint.com/products/ctr350-mobile . . . ravel-router |
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| [07:53:51] | sphery: | Yeah, I made my Dad get one. I had him set up with Windows ICS (and cursed it and Windows since it was so unreliable for him) and had been watching CradlePoint prices--which were about $300 for the cheapest when he first got the cell data service. Once the CradlePoints got down to about $100, I told him he should get one--and he said, "Oh, that's like that Netgear one I saw at Best Buy?" So I looked to see what he was talking about and ... |
| [07:53:57] | sphery: | ... found I could get a refurb'ed Netgear for $29.99 (free S&H), so made him do it. |
| [07:54:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: $29.99? wow. ;-) |
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| [07:54:26] | wagnerrp: | stupid python, im forgetting to put in context braces |
| [07:55:11] | sphery: | his network has never been so reliable, now--and he takes the router with him when he leaves home so he and Mom can both use their laptops with it. (I have their home network on an Motorola router with OpenWRT and they just plug the Netgear into the WAN port when they want Internet at home.) |
| [07:55:23] | sphery: | it was the best $29.99 he ever spent on his computer systems |
| [07:56:34] | sphery: | figured it would be cool to help him set up a car DC->battery->Netgear thing so he could park the car and use the router (which should run for a long time off a not huge battery) without running the car. |
| [07:56:39] | wagnerrp: | coming from windows ICS, thats not saying much... :) |
| [07:56:44] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [07:56:44] | Jester: | holycrap mythdora makes creating a raid incredibly simple |
| [07:56:51] | sphery: | ICS was such a bad hack |
| [07:57:00] | Jester: | however this will probably take HOURS to accomplish |
| [07:57:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, I never got ICS to work reliably either... |
| [07:57:59] | sphery: | but since Windows and the CradlePoint reverse-engineered-protocol routers were the only options--and the CradlePoints were pretty expensive considering he wasn't sure he would stick with the cell-based data service--we used it for a couple years |
| [07:58:27] | Shadow__X: | same here i have tried numerous times to get ICS to be reliable. I needed to try it on os x once and was blown away with how simple and reliable it was compared to ICS |
| [07:59:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: yeah, my buddy converted to Mac a year or so ago... and even has 'guest' wireless networks setup via his mac. ;-) |
| [07:59:19] | Shadow__X: | how can i figure out what is being mounted under /dev/sdN |
| [07:59:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mount |
| [07:59:48] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, there are things i still enjoy linux for but it does make quite a bit of things work easily |
| [07:59:53] | wagnerrp: | cat /proc/mount |
| [08:00:03] | Jester: | well gents i'm going to go play a bit of COD while mythdora builds this raid |
| [08:00:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ that too. ;-) |
| [08:00:17] | ** wagnerrp gets back to programming ** | |
| [08:00:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | UPS delivers this late? ;-) |
| [08:01:03] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: COD... hes currently flying out to a carrier |
| [08:01:07] | wagnerrp: | IRC while you fly |
| [08:01:35] | wagnerrp: | (thats what the navy calls cargo runs) |
| [08:02:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | My son plays "Call Of Duty"... I was just seeing what his reaction would be. ;-) |
| [08:02:31] | Shadow__X: | sorry it doesnt show up. Its being mounted under /dev/sdN as if its a hard drive but it is not a hard drive. I tried smartctl and it confirms it doesnt support smart and hdparm -Tt is able to read from it albeit slowly only 22MB/sec |
| [08:04:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: try "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" and see if you recognize the device by it's vendor/model... perhaps its your DVD drive or a card reader? |
| [08:05:02] | Shadow__X: | thats the thing. i dont have a card reader and my dvd drive is ide |
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| [08:05:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Yeah, but on modern os's, even IDE is presented as a 'scsi' device... |
| [08:05:52] | Shadow__X: | Host: scsi7 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: ATA Model: Config Disk 0 Rev: 1.25 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 |
| [08:05:56] | Shadow__X: | whats that |
| [08:06:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Seems to be an IDE or SATA disk. |
| [08:06:58] | ** J-e-f-f-A looks to see how to determine what 'scsi7' is associated with... ;-) ** | |
| [08:07:44] | Shadow__X: | hmm it would appear that on my asus board there is a thing called drivexpert that when enabled comes up as a flash storage device |
| [08:10:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: this shows me all the 'scsi' devices on my FC13 system: cat /proc/scsi/sg/device_strs (but not which scsi #'s) |
| [08:11:26] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks. Yeah turns out to be some storage device built into the asus mb i have for a drive backup feature |
| [08:11:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Apparently that list is in order, so starting with 0, going up to how many devices. |
| [08:11:30] | Shadow__X: | oddly enough |
| [08:13:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Although my devices seem to skip numbers, perhaps because I don't have every port occupied... ie: my ports are numbered 0 and 4 through 14... ;-) |
| [08:14:03] | wagnerrp: | oof... putting all my music into one giant playlist may not be the best idea |
| [08:14:22] | wagnerrp: | going from mussorgsky to mxpx was... jarring |
| [08:15:14] | Shadow__X: | how do i find the chanid and start time for a recording (am trying to test out the mythvidexport script) |
| [08:15:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Ah... to get the scsi device numbers associated with them: "cat /proc/scsi/sg/devices" — the 1st column is the Scsi Generic (sg) device number. ;-) |
| [08:15:33] | wagnerrp: | look in mythweb? |
| [08:15:33] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah i saw that |
| [08:15:46] | wagnerrp: | you need the actual recording start, not the program start |
| [08:16:14] | Shadow__X: | ok i found the channid by mousing over the channel listing but what do you mean the recording start |
| [08:16:42] | wagnerrp: | when did you start recording? |
| [08:17:03] | Shadow__X: | well the recording started at 10pm sun dec 26 |
| [08:17:22] | wagnerrp: | then 20101226220000 |
| [08:17:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: The filename format is cccc_yyyymmddhhmmss.mpg cccc=channel id – rest is start date/time of recording. |
| [08:17:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ exactly. |
| [08:17:49] | wagnerrp: | actually, its yyyymmddhhmmXX.mpg |
| [08:17:58] | Shadow__X: | oh ok |
| [08:18:08] | wagnerrp: | the last two characters are incremented if there is more than one recording on that channel per minute |
| [08:18:24] | wagnerrp: | its to account for the possibility of two frontends starting livetv on the same channel at the same second |
| [08:18:39] | Shadow__X: | so for this recording it would be 2217 20101226220000 to signify history hd and it started on sun dec 26 2010 |
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| [08:18:52] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: oh ok thanks |
| [08:18:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: oh. ;-) hehehe... I just assumed it was Seconds. ;-) Thanks for clarifying that. |
| [08:19:09] | wagnerrp: | no, 2217 to signify 'history hd', and the other number for the starttime |
| [08:19:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: btw — channel ID is not necessarily the actual channel number, and often isn't. |
| [08:19:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: and it's an underline in-between them... so 2217_2010..... |
| [08:19:50] | wagnerrp: | chanid is just a number intended for internal use only |
| [08:19:51] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yeah sorry thats what i meant i jumbled it together in the format the script asks for it |
| [08:19:55] | Shadow__X: | ohhh ok |
| [08:20:19] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: mythvidexport.py [options] <--chanid <channel id>> <--starttime <start time>> |
| [08:20:27] | Shadow__X: | that doesnt show an underline though |
| [08:20:44] | wagnerrp: | no, the script asks for it in '--chanid=2217 --starttime=20101226220000' |
| [08:20:55] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [08:20:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Ah, ok, then if you're not looking for the physical filename, then that's different. ^^ there ya go. |
| [08:20:59] | wagnerrp: | i actually dont know if it will work without the equal signs |
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| [08:21:06] | wagnerrp: | never tested it |
| [08:21:14] | Shadow__X: | shoiuld i? |
| [08:21:33] | wagnerrp: | more specifically, the script really wants 'mythvidexport.py %JOBID%' |
| [08:22:14] | wagnerrp: | i hardly ever run it outside the jobqueue system |
| [08:22:56] | Shadow__X: | so i should add it to the backend as a jobque then |
| [08:23:11] | Shadow__X: | s/jobque/user job |
| [08:23:57] | Shadow__X: | and i would just add the format i would want it in within the user job section |
| [08:24:23] | wagnerrp: | no, you should specify the format as an option while running it from the command line |
| [08:24:33] | wagnerrp: | there are three different modes |
| [08:24:38] | wagnerrp: | movie, television, and generic |
| [08:24:54] | wagnerrp: | from the command line, you tell it to store them to the database |
| [08:25:05] | wagnerrp: | so it knows what to use when run normally |
| [08:25:18] | Shadow__X: | oh ok i understand now. Sorry i missed that bit |
| [08:26:27] | wagnerrp: | the --[mgt]format commands store the value to the database |
| [08:26:42] | wagnerrp: | --printformat prints the existing strings |
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| [08:30:05] | Shadow__X: | ok so to change tv it would be --tformat /mnt/TV/%TITLE%/Season %SEASON%/%TITLE% – S%SEASON%E%EPISODEPAD to put the shows on a drive mounted to /mnt/TV under the appropriate tittle/season %#/title – S#E# |
| [08:30:23] | wagnerrp: | no, relative path only |
| [08:30:42] | wagnerrp: | specifically, relative to the root of your storage group |
| [08:30:55] | wagnerrp: | it _does_not_ work with local folders |
| [08:31:00] | Shadow__X: | oh |
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| [08:49:15] | Shadow__X: | in the user job i setup mythvidexport.py %jobid% right? |
| [08:49:34] | Shadow__X: | i just added the destination to my storage group |
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| [08:57:59] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: hey sorry to bother you. When i try to set the outputformat it keeps erroring out. Do i have to set the hostname or is there another setting i need to adjust before it works |
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| [10:16:11] | Cromag: | hey, last night i scheduled a recording – the log http://pastebin.com/L0ChXHhF – seems it recorded the show – but there is no file saved. How should i locate the issue ? |
| [10:19:32] | Cromag: | oh, i'll be back later. |
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| [10:28:43] | lyricnz: | Cromag: looks like it thinks it recorded ok |
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| [13:50:14] | ovrflw0x: | what is DLNA certified ? |
| [13:50:25] | ovrflw0x: | how do i check if my computer is DLNA certified? |
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| [14:35:33] | exelnet2: | heya. i just setup mythnetvision and i now wonder why i cant search youtube videos? the only site i can search is mtv. the youtube sitemap is working as expected |
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| [14:42:37] | exelnet2: | ah ok... my theme wasnt displaying the needed checkboxes to enable youtube search |
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| [15:08:50] | flexy: | I see that 0.24.1 is due soon. I was looking around the bugs in that release... via roadmap. Should 0.24-fixes bugs be also in that roadmap view for the 0.24.1 release? |
| [15:09:11] | iamlindoro: | There is no current plan to release a .24.1 |
| [15:09:55] | flexy: | ah. ok. roadmap showed the release due in 4 days... |
| [15:10:07] | iamlindoro: | There is a .24.1 milestone, but realistically those fixes will simply be committed to .24-fixes and the next release is likely to be .25 |
| [15:10:23] | flexy: | right |
| [15:10:27] | iamlindoro: | The milestone only exists for things that would be in .24.1 if we decided to release one |
| [15:10:39] | iamlindoro: | (which at present, there are no plans to) |
| [15:11:00] | flexy: | ok. was just concerned about one bug affecting me |
| [15:11:32] | iamlindoro: | Just keep up with .24-fixes and when it is resolved, you'll get your fix |
| [15:11:43] | flexy: | not showing in 0.24.1 release |
| [15:11:53] | flexy: | yeah |
| [15:11:57] | flexy: | will do that |
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| [15:17:49] | Saviq: | hi all, I'm using a power search schedule to record all programmes of a certain program.category, but duplicate detection doesn't work due to lack of a 'Title' duplicate check method |
| [15:18:18] | Saviq: | i.e. I'd like it to only record one programme of every title (not subtitle) |
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| [15:48:21] | stuartm: | we probably will release a 0.24.1, since it's often the only way some users/distros will update, until we start offering nightly tarballs of the -fixes branch at least |
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| [15:51:44] | iamlindoro: | Personally feel like .24.1 is a "could happen" than a "planned" |
| [15:51:50] | iamlindoro: | er rather than a |
| [15:52:00] | iamlindoro: | Since there are no concrete plans for one |
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| [16:10:46] | Cromag: | lyricnz: that's what i read of it too, but no file in the folder. |
| [16:15:46] | Cromag: | i'll repost – just to.. repost.. |
| [16:16:05] | Cromag: | hey, last night i scheduled a recording – the log http://pastebin.com/L0ChXHhF – seems it recorded the show – but there is no file saved. How should i locate the issue ? |
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| [16:29:30] | iamlindoro: | That log indicates that the program you attempted to record is encrypted |
| [16:29:37] | iamlindoro: | Thus, no recording |
| [16:32:52] | Cromag: | bacause of |
| [16:32:53] | Cromag: | 2010-12–26 22:00:06.564 PID 0x21c status: Encrypted |
| [16:32:56] | Cromag: | ? |
| [16:33:01] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [16:33:09] | Cromag: | that is all over my log. |
| [16:33:20] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [16:33:21] | Cromag: | also when not recording anything |
| [16:33:25] | Cromag: | oh. |
| [16:33:35] | iamlindoro: | Because the EIT scanner alos would output those messages |
| [16:33:42] | iamlindoro: | Which you are also using |
| [16:33:42] | Cromag: | ah makes sense. |
| [16:34:23] | Cromag: | but does it make sense that it updates a file which is not there ? |
| [16:34:38] | iamlindoro: | It's not updating a file, just the porposed filename |
| [16:34:41] | iamlindoro: | er proposed |
| [16:34:44] | Cromag: | ok. |
| [16:34:47] | iamlindoro: | so yes, it makes sense |
| [16:34:52] | Cromag: | yeah. |
| [16:35:10] | Cromag: | i should take a look at the channels.. |
| [16:35:45] | Cromag: | i just thought the encryption information was from other parts of myth and not my recording. |
| [16:36:54] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [16:37:31] | Cromag: | i did. |
| [16:37:38] | Cromag: | ;) |
| [16:37:44] | Cromag: | but many thanks for clearing it up. |
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| [16:43:12] | Shadow__X: | I am not sure if i am doing something wrong but everytime i try to update the tv frmat using mythvidexport i keep getting a traceback and it will not work http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2030619 |
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| [17:04:03] | wagnerrp: | my guess is that youre running a very old version of the python bindings |
| [17:05:11] | wagnerrp: | oops, no... it should be 'settings', not 'setting' |
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| [17:47:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] Grr... snowblower broke... drive gear snapped in half. Oh well, I guess I got my $20 worth out of it! ;-) And I'm sure with a little calling around, i can find a new gear (it's an old Ariens...) |
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| [17:47:56] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: the belt in ours is too long now |
| [17:48:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Hehehe... yeah they stretch over time. I paid $20 for this snowblower at a yard sale about 4 years ago-- I guess I got my $$$ worth!!! ;-) And with a new gear, she'll be back up and running good again... |
| [17:48:59] | clever: | we got the exact one in the manual, it didnt fit:P |
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| [17:49:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: so either it was the wrong belt in the package, or something else on your machine needs alignment... |
| [17:50:10] | ** J-e-f-f-A heads off to call to see if he can get that gear today... ;-) ** | |
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| [17:57:03] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: so should i change it or get an updated copy of the script |
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| [18:38:54] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: just check the changelog for that page on the wiki |
| [18:40:44] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: something you may want to look at? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/spamming-schedules-direct-14179/ |
| [18:41:44] | kormoc: | Hrm. That's a xris script |
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| [18:47:09] | wagnerrp: | s/you/someone at SD/ |
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| [19:27:26] | Hilikus: | hey guys. i'm having some problems with mythvideo. 1) mythweb doesn't show any videos, it does show the correct directory structure but no content. 2) mythfrontend doesn't show thumbnails for the videos and 3) 3gp videos play too fast and without any sound |
| [19:27:50] | Hilikus: | any suggestions? |
| [19:28:34] | Hilikus: | the same 3gp videos play fine in VLC |
| [19:28:41] | wagnerrp: | mythweb does not properly handle videos in 0.24 |
| [19:28:51] | Hilikus: | i'm using 0.23 |
| [19:28:59] | wagnerrp: | mythweb does not properly handle videos in 0.23 either |
| [19:29:05] | Hilikus: | oh ok |
| [19:29:41] | wagnerrp: | if you moved from local folders to storage groups, you will need to either manually fix your image references in the database (not recommended), or pull new metadata |
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| [19:31:00] | Hilikus: | this videos are not tv or movies though. how do i pull new metadata? |
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| [19:31:51] | wagnerrp: | how did you do it in the first place to get thumbnails in mythvideo? |
| [19:32:07] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo has no mechanism for producing thumbnails from the video |
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| [19:33:10] | wagnerrp: | if your 3gp videos dont work, try installing a copy of 0.24 somewhere, and use 'mythavtest' |
| [19:33:47] | wagnerrp: | playback capability in mythtv is provided by the ffmpeg libraries |
| [19:33:56] | wagnerrp: | which were updated between 0.23 and 0.24 |
| [19:34:01] | iamlindoro: | And the reason they play too fast is because of the sound issue-- video playback speed is based on the audio... if the audio won't play, it'll just blast through the video as fast as it can |
| [19:34:39] | iamlindoro: | Odds are the frontend logs would be enlightening as to what the audio issue is |
| [19:34:41] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [19:34:49] | ** kormoc blinks at [R] ** | |
| [19:34:52] | [R]: | lol |
| [19:34:59] | iamlindoro: | But as wagnerrp says, it's entirely likely that the ffmpeg updates might solve your issue |
| [19:35:09] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: maybe i'm remembering incorrectly, but i think i had thumbnails in mythvideo some time ago |
| [19:35:21] | Hilikus: | i see |
| [19:35:24] | Hilikus: | thanks a lot guys |
| [19:35:27] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo has never been capable of creating thumbnails |
| [19:35:47] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: if you have thumbnails in mythvideo, either you pulled them from a data provider, or you had some script run the mythtv preview generator on them |
| [19:35:58] | wagnerrp: | there was some old ragetv script pre-0.22 that would do so |
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| [19:36:44] | Hilikus: | im gonna check the frontend logs |
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| [20:18:04] | high-rez: | Anyone of you know which is the latest version of mkb supported using opensource only utilities? |
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| [20:27:18] | wagnerrp: | mkb? |
| [20:31:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: how dare you claim that everyone downloading movies from usenet is stealing them |
| [20:31:16] | wagnerrp: | thats profiling, and thats now allowed |
| [20:31:50] | kormoc: | Can you profile the majority? |
| [20:32:50] | wagnerrp: | just because 99 out of a hundred is using it for illegal purposes doesnt mean ben curtis isnt going to download user made videos of people's cats... |
| [20:32:52] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [20:33:00] | kormoc: | heh |
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| [20:33:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Sorry. I forgot that I shouldn't be profiling. |
| [20:33:40] | sphery: | I live in the US, after all. |
| [20:33:45] | sphery: | Of course, so does Ben |
| [20:34:19] | kormoc: | Innocent until proven guilty! |
| [20:34:22] | sphery: | I was even nice to him--I changed his name on the attribution from Ben Curtis to B. (the way he signed his message)--even though his e-mail address (which is logged on gossamer, too) has his full name in it |
| [20:34:45] | sphery: | I have to admit I had never heard of NZB before today. |
| [20:34:59] | sphery: | A little birdie whispered in my ears. |
| [20:35:18] | ** wagnerrp had to google it too ** | |
| [20:35:58] | sphery: | anyway, I felt it was worth a mean post based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZB , which links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewzBin as the source of the format, and the page for NewzBin says: In March 2010, a British judge found Newzbin guilty of deliberately indexing copyrighted content.[2] Chris Elsworth, the main operator of Newzbin, had said repeatedly at trial that he had no knowledge of infringement occurring on the service, and ... |
| [20:36:04] | sphery: | ... that Newzbin's categories for "CAM," "screener," "telesync," "DVD,"R5 retail","Blu-ray," and "HD DVD" didn't suggest any evidence of infringement. The judge was highly critical of Elsworth, stating that he found his testimony "simply not credible". |
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| [20:36:39] | sphery: | and, as this little birdie said, if he claims that it's not for thievery, we can always say his assertion is "simply not credible" |
| [20:37:51] | sphery: | now I'm wondering how many people think I'm hearing voices in my head |
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| [20:40:17] | wagnerrp: | seems someone already did it years ago... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oax-gDYHVxU |
| [20:41:28] | wagnerrp: | apparently the same guy who did mythvodka |
| [20:41:33] | sphery: | heh, and posted a video of themselves stealing stuff |
| [20:41:40] | sphery: | and it's obviously copyrighted stuff |
| [20:41:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: didnt you see the name on that one video? its proper |
| [20:42:05] | sphery: | LOL |
| [20:42:14] | sphery: | (as the file name says) |
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| [20:56:58] | joshdmiller: | I upgraded from the 0.23 branch to the 0.24 branch and now the videos and some menus are distored. I find no errors in any log. Running Arch x64, ATI with OSS driver. |
| [20:57:24] | wagnerrp: | oss drivers on what card? |
| [20:57:32] | joshdmiller: | An older ATI |
| [20:57:44] | joshdmiller: | Radeon 5400 or something similar. |
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| [20:58:06] | wagnerrp: | a 5400 is a pretty modern card |
| [20:58:17] | joshdmiller: | There is no distortion in any DE or through mplayer. The card is about 5 years old. |
| [20:58:43] | wagnerrp: | 5 years ago may have been a... X1400? |
| [20:58:55] | joshdmiller: | Radeon 6150SE |
| [20:59:04] | wagnerrp: | nvidia 6150SE? |
| [20:59:41] | wagnerrp: | a 6150 would be onboard video |
| [20:59:57] | wagnerrp: | (on the motherboard) |
| [21:00:01] | joshdmiller: | Sorry, wrong machine. Yes, that's this machine, not the myth box. I am pretty tired. The Myth box is running an ATI. |
| [21:00:30] | joshdmiller: | And it's a Radeon, but the machine is currently off and I thought the terminal was still on the SSH. Pretty tired. |
| [21:00:55] | joshdmiller: | Either way, there is no distortion when using mplayer or watching video through Chromium on youtube. |
| [21:01:14] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean by 'distortion'? |
| [21:01:46] | joshdmiller: | The right half of the video is green, with horizontal lines bleeding to the left. Also, the video stutters. |
| [21:02:14] | joshdmiller: | The escape key takes a second to register as well. |
| [21:02:56] | Led-Hed: | Anyone here run a MythTV backend on Xen or VMWare? I only use HDHomeRuns, so there shouldnt be any issues with hardware. |
| [21:03:19] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: why not just run the backend directly? |
| [21:03:40] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, you mean install it on the Dom0 |
| [21:03:47] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [21:03:55] | Led-Hed: | I guess thats an option |
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| [21:04:46] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to use full system virtualization is if you have to run separate kernels, or if you must isolate the system for testing |
| [21:05:04] | Led-Hed: | Would make it easier to move to new hardware also |
| [21:05:17] | wagnerrp: | no it wouldnt |
| [21:05:28] | Led-Hed: | if the backend is a VM? |
| [21:05:31] | Led-Hed: | yes it would |
| [21:05:46] | wagnerrp: | no more than if the backend were installed to a chroot |
| [21:05:55] | Led-Hed: | agreed |
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| [21:07:44] | kenni: | If a frontend playing live tv goes away for whatever reason (=dies/crashes/catches fire), and the backend doesn't free up the tuner immediately, isn't that most likely a tuner driver issue? I'm quite sure I've read discussions about it before, but I can't find anything right now.. |
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| [21:08:05] | wagnerrp: | by default, the backend never frees a tuner |
| [21:08:20] | kenni: | well, stops recording :) |
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| [21:08:30] | wagnerrp: | it keeps it locked to prevent other programs from accessing it, locking it, and prevent it from recording in the future |
| [21:08:40] | kenni: | yep, sorry, wrond wording |
| [21:08:44] | kenni: | wrong |
| [21:09:00] | wagnerrp: | there was a problem in 0.23 where in such a situation, the livetv chain was never properly torn down |
| [21:09:05] | wagnerrp: | leaving an 'orphaned' tuner |
| [21:09:13] | wagnerrp: | i thought that had been resolved though |
| [21:10:28] | kenni: | okay, I'm writing with another user who has the problem on Ubuntu 10.10 + 0.24, I'm still awaiting him to post some backend logs, so I can see what happens |
| [21:11:23] | kenni: | actually, make that two users on 0.24 |
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| [21:24:31] | sphery: | kenni: mythbackend tries to detect when a live tv using frontend dies/goes away, but there may still be a couple of rare corner cases where it's not detected |
| [21:24:44] | sphery: | kenni: restarting mythbackend will stop the live tv recording |
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| [21:24:53] | sphery: | and it shouldn't happen often with modern mythtv |
| [21:25:10] | sphery: | so I'd have him restart and likely it won't happen again for him |
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| [21:26:28] | phlegmer: | greetings? |
| [21:26:48] | sphery: | and salutations! |
| [21:26:52] | phlegmer: | :) |
| [21:27:42] | phlegmer: | is this the place to embarase ones self and ask dumb noob MythTV questions |
| [21:27:49] | sphery: | yep |
| [21:28:01] | iamlindoro: | You can just do the latter if you like |
| [21:28:06] | iamlindoro: | We won't be mad if you don't do the former |
| [21:28:15] | phlegmer: | nice |
| [21:28:20] | sphery: | and, in some cases, we'll take care of the former for you |
| [21:28:55] | iamlindoro: | Not me, I'm shameless |
| [21:28:56] | phlegmer: | I'm currently a multi ReplayTV owner and with the cable slowly moving to digital, I'm now looking at a future replacement solution |
| [21:29:19] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [21:29:29] | wagnerrp: | that discusses your options |
| [21:29:48] | wagnerrp: | basically, youve got unencrypted channels, which may be fairly limited, but can be picked up by a digital tuner |
| [21:29:55] | phlegmer: | I'm liking what I'm reading about MythTV but there is one feature I'm not sure if it can handle that ReplayTVhas |
| [21:30:23] | wagnerrp: | copy freely channels which can be picked up over firewire from a cablebox (or cablecard tuner when those are available) but will also be limited |
| [21:30:31] | kenni: | sphery: Yep, and I can't reproduce it on my own system – killing the frontend, makes the backend change from "WatchingLiveTV to None" in less than a second. Apparently they have the issue due to various frontend crashes...I've asked them to file bugs for the crashes, but it still seems like the live tv problem is consistent on their 0.24-fixes setups |
| [21:30:48] | wagnerrp: | or analog capture straight off the cablebox, either standard definition from a PVR-150 and the like, or high definition from an HDPVR |
| [21:30:59] | wagnerrp: | phlegmer: what feature is that? |
| [21:31:18] | phlegmer: | IVS or Internet Video Share. If I missed a show, I would just go to Poopli.com search or request from other Replay owners and it was sent to me. Also If someone requested a show, I'd do the same |
| [21:31:26] | sphery: | we know it's not commercial skipping--since they got sued and had to remove that, IIRC |
| [21:31:50] | wagnerrp: | i thought they got sued, and had to remove show sharing back in 2001 or so |
| [21:31:54] | iamlindoro: | phlegmer: ReplayTV themselves supported that feature for like a month |
| [21:31:54] | sphery: | woah, how could they do that and not get sued |
| [21:32:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery: they did |
| [21:32:06] | sphery: | oh, good |
| [21:32:10] | iamlindoro: | phlegmer: We don't support that because it would be illegal |
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| [21:32:30] | sphery: | and it sounds like ReplayTV doesn't support that, either--so phlegmer must not have used it recently? |
| [21:32:35] | wagnerrp: | you can try picking up a rerun, or you can use mythnetvision to access hulu |
| [21:32:40] | phlegmer: | the ReplayTV 5000 series had that feature...which I own |
| [21:32:56] | phlegmer: | the 5500 series I think may have removed commercial skip and IVS |
| [21:33:05] | iamlindoro: | phlegmer: which was added and then "firmware upgraded" off of it |
| [21:33:11] | sphery: | so they didn't have to update firmware on the old series? terrible settlement if it didn't require that |
| [21:33:36] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayTV#Legal_battle |
| [21:33:37] | sphery: | oh, so this is a "be sure not to let the firmware upgrade so you can keep stealing TV" type thing |
| [21:33:44] | phlegmer: | nope, all my 5000's and my friends 5000's all have those features |
| [21:34:07] | phlegmer: | never had to block any firmware upgrade |
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| [21:34:25] | iamlindoro: | phlegmer: I was a replayTV owner before I moved to myth, if you and your friends still have it it's because you managed not to upgrade your firmware |
| [21:34:37] | iamlindoro: | phlegmer: But the fact of the matter is that show sharing is illegal and a violation of terms of service |
| [21:34:38] | phlegmer: | so anyway, that feature is pretty much done with on any contemporary solutions? |
| [21:34:52] | iamlindoro: | We cannot (and never will) offer a similar "feature" |
| [21:35:19] | Led-Hed: | I used to be a ReplayTV owner also. |
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| [21:35:30] | wagnerrp: | the closest we would get to that would be making a copy of your recording, and an external metadata file (not yet supported), for use with a detached frontend |
| [21:35:31] | phlegmer: | understood |
| [21:35:33] | Led-Hed: | I loved Commercial skip. |
| [21:35:37] | wagnerrp: | like taking your laptop on a trip |
| [21:35:58] | phlegmer: | does Myth do commercial skip? |
| [21:36:02] | sphery: | phlegmer: if you miss an episode, the only supported solution is to find a legal source of a license to view that show--i.e. buy a DVD/BluRay, buy the show on iTunes or Amazon VOD or XBox Live or ..., or find a legal low-quality-video-streaming outfit, like Hulu |
| [21:36:05] | Led-Hed: | MythTV's commercial skip is ok, but still not as good as Replay's |
| [21:36:18] | sphery: | where none of those are guaranteed to work on MythTV or GNU/Linux systems |
| [21:36:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | most stuff is rerun frequently anyways. |
| [21:36:53] | sphery: | Led-Hed: MythTV's commercial skip is perfect |
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| [21:36:55] | phlegmer: | Jedidah: very true |
| [21:37:03] | sphery: | Led-Hed: you may mean MythTV's commercial /detection/ isn't perfect |
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| [21:37:06] | phlegmer: | plus I'm used to a single tuner which caused conflics |
| [21:37:09] | wagnerrp: | certainly anything on cable gets rerun |
| [21:37:09] | phlegmer: | conficts |
| [21:37:16] | wagnerrp: | broadcast, not as much |
| [21:37:21] | kormoc: | phlegmer, so get more then one :) |
| [21:37:25] | sphery: | phlegmer: and the big benefit of MythTV is you can get more |
| [21:37:31] | Led-Hed: | sphery, none are perfect. But ReplayTV's is more accurate than Myth's. |
| [21:37:50] | wagnerrp: | phlegmer: mythtv can handle multiple tuners per backend, and multiple backends per system, so there is no reason besides cost to ever have a recording conflict |
| [21:37:54] | sphery: | the right size for your mythtv system is the number of tuners that make you never have any conflicts |
| [21:38:10] | kormoc: | never have any conflicts you care about |
| [21:38:20] | sphery: | Led-Hed: I'm just saying that skipping in MythTV is perfect--though detection may not be |
| [21:38:48] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, we skip frame perfect to the cut points. The cut points may be off, but the skipping isn't |
| [21:38:50] | wagnerrp: | 'perfect', meaning its exact to the frame, rather than the closest frame to a timestamp |
| [21:38:57] | sphery: | or just never have conflicts--if you're too lazy to manage conflicts manually |
| [21:39:01] | phlegmer: | ok, the other factor with MythTV is the Wife and kids user interface... |
| [21:39:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | as long as the wife and kids don't try to build a MythTV, they will be fine. |
| [21:39:42] | wagnerrp: | setup of mythtv could stand some (significant) work, but the UI for daily use is decent |
| [21:39:48] | sphery: | it will be a huge change in UI--if they're not willing to learn, they will complain |
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| [21:39:52] | iamlindoro: | The ReplayTV was also from an era where broadcasters did nothing to prevent that kind of technology |
| [21:39:54] | sphery: | if they're willing to learn, they should be fine |
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| [21:40:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | if they are not willing to learn, then they will object to anything else regardless of what it is. |
| [21:40:20] | Led-Hed: | sphery, kormoc I was referring to detection. |
| [21:40:35] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, we know. We told you that |
| [21:40:42] | Led-Hed: | and again, ReplayTV's detection wasnt 100% either. |
| [21:41:03] | wagnerrp: | wow... $1000 for 6 hours of storage, or $2000 for 26 |
| [21:41:08] | phlegmer: | is there a place one can sample what the default UI is like...just to sorta play around? |
| [21:41:24] | kormoc: | phlegmer, there are screen shots, but that's bout it |
| [21:41:32] | wagnerrp: | there are some screenshots on the wiki, but no 'demo' so to speak |
| [21:42:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, for that $1000, you could get 20TB, which would be something like 3000hrs of storage |
| [21:42:05] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer, the MythCenter theme is fairly straight forward. It meets the Kid/Wife UI test. |
| [21:42:08] | phlegmer: | I guess I could look on youtube... |
| [21:42:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well this was back in 1999 |
| [21:42:16] | sphery: | even if you subtract out the $200 for a nice capable system... |
| [21:42:26] | sphery: | ah, yeah, was more expensive back then |
| [21:42:28] | phlegmer: | MythCenter Theme...thanks I'll check that out |
| [21:42:40] | wagnerrp: | mythcenter really isnt a theme |
| [21:42:50] | Led-Hed: | dont confuse him |
| [21:42:53] | wagnerrp: | its a background and some colors wrapped around the UI defaults |
| [21:43:04] | sphery: | yes |
| [21:43:14] | sphery: | MythCenter is the worst of all possible themes |
| [21:43:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | you could start out with a simple OTA based setup just to try things out, keeping reuse of hardware in mind. |
| [21:43:25] | wagnerrp: | i wont say worst, just most basic |
| [21:43:29] | sphery: | and MythCenter-wide is 2nd worst (only because it's received more attention--but both were done wrong) |
| [21:43:30] | wagnerrp: | there is next to nothing to it |
| [21:43:31] | Led-Hed: | and its the one my wife and kids prefer |
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| [21:43:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | mythcenter is just no-nonsense. |
| [21:43:54] | sphery: | I say worst because of how it was designed |
| [21:44:09] | sphery: | it was a line-by-line conversion from one language to the other instead of a redesign for the new system |
| [21:44:17] | wagnerrp: | well it was designed around the old UI, not the new one |
| [21:44:24] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer, does your Cable co broadcast your channels unencrypted? |
| [21:44:24] | sphery: | even if you want to keep the same look and feel, you need a proper redesign or you just have a mess |
| [21:44:25] | wagnerrp: | so it has all the limitations of the old UI |
| [21:44:28] | sphery: | which we have |
| [21:44:31] | wagnerrp: | and none of the capabilities of the new one |
| [21:44:41] | sphery: | and the fonts are all proprietary |
| [21:45:00] | sphery: | and X font substitutions mean if you don't buy and install those fonts, you get replacements that use different metrics--and don't fit |
| [21:45:06] | sphery: | then you complain that the theme is broken |
| [21:45:18] | phlegmer: | Led-Hed – Yes, my provider will be broadcasting in open QAM early next year |
| [21:45:35] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer, look at the HDHomeRun |
| [21:45:40] | phlegmer: | yup |
| [21:45:49] | phlegmer: | actually got one during BF |
| [21:45:56] | phlegmer: | 2 tuner |
| [21:46:07] | Led-Hed: | I have 2 of them. They are great |
| [21:46:10] | wagnerrp: | phlegmer: your cable company is broadcasting in clear qam right now |
| [21:46:17] | phlegmer: | do you know if they also can do analog? |
| [21:46:17] | Led-Hed: | mine is |
| [21:46:27] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer, no they only do digital |
| [21:46:29] | phlegmer: | because the channels 2 -22 will be analaog stil |
| [21:46:32] | phlegmer: | crud |
| [21:46:36] | wagnerrp: | if they are providing digital cable, they /must/ provide the local 'must carry' stations in the clear |
| [21:46:41] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer, you have an HD Tv? |
| [21:46:56] | wagnerrp: | http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ |
| [21:47:06] | phlegmer: | Led-Hed, yes |
| [21:47:16] | wagnerrp: | that site maintains a list of all digital cable channels available in the clear |
| [21:47:18] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer, then just do a channel scan on the TV. |
| [21:47:27] | wagnerrp: | indexed by zip code |
| [21:47:28] | phlegmer: | Wagnerrp, yes they are broadcasting some in clear QAM |
| [21:47:39] | phlegmer: | but will be most next year...up to channel 22 |
| [21:47:46] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [21:47:46] | Led-Hed: | ch 2 – 22 will end up being on Channel 78–135 |
| [21:47:57] | wagnerrp: | anything above 22 will be DIGITAL |
| [21:48:05] | wagnerrp: | but that says nothing about whether it will be ENCRYPTED |
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| [21:48:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | Yes. The HD homerun is a great tuner. |
| [21:48:29] | wagnerrp: | the only way they would provide everything unencrypted is if they only offer one single lineup |
| [21:48:31] | phlegmer: | Wagnerrp, yes I actually e-mailed the provider and they said that it will be unencrypted QAM |
| [21:48:38] | phlegmer: | We don't have HBO and the likes |
| [21:48:46] | wagnerrp: | if they only offer one lineup, then there would be no reason to encrypt for access restriction |
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| [21:49:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | You are much better off getting your local channels on an HDHR if you can. No cable transcoding shenanigans. |
| [21:49:04] | kormoc: | phlegmer, what provider is this? |
| [21:49:08] | Led-Hed: | same here. I actually get History TLC Discovery etc... unencrypted also |
| [21:49:15] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: looking to switch? |
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| [21:49:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I'd *love* to, but alas, HOA says no |
| [21:49:35] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [21:49:46] | wagnerrp: | he is in your area |
| [21:49:50] | ** wagnerrp checked the whois data ** | |
| [21:49:54] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, HOA's cant prevent you from using a Dish |
| [21:50:09] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, they did |
| [21:50:10] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: satellite provides dont use clear qam |
| [21:50:15] | Led-Hed: | thats not legal |
| [21:50:22] | Led-Hed: | All they can do it tell you where you can mount it |
| [21:50:41] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, when did I say that? |
| [21:50:43] | wagnerrp: | they only allow satellite dishes on north facing walls... :) |
| [21:50:51] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, they signed a contract with direct-tv and in their rules, there's no antennas allowed in the units or mounted outside |
| [21:51:07] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, again thats illegal |
| [21:51:11] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [21:51:19] | kormoc: | it's not worth the fight given I'm just renting |
| [21:51:35] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: hes got too much to lose in fighting them |
| [21:51:35] | Led-Hed: | maybe so. but what they are doing is still illegal |
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| [21:52:10] | sphery: | anyone else see the "[mythtv-users] Most stable compatible Linux distribution" thread as presenting conflicting requirements? "I want a distro that doesn't get updated for a long, long, time, but that will continue to run the latest and greatest MythTV for a long, long, time--regardless of MythTV's changes and new requirements." |
| [21:52:16] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, I think the indoor antenna is, but I doubt the external mounting restriction is |
| [21:52:25] | phlegmer: | Kormoc, Midconntinent communication |
| [21:52:36] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, I'll find it for you. |
| [21:52:40] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, we don't 'own' the external walls or internal walls between units, we're 'renting' them as part of our HOA fee |
| [21:52:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | disallowing dishies is a big FCC no-no, not terribly bright either. |
| [21:52:52] | kormoc: | we don't 'own' our balcony or windows |
| [21:53:04] | kormoc: | which is why they get professionally cleaned every quarter |
| [21:53:14] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, maybe its different for rentals |
| [21:53:16] | kormoc: | and they'll replace them if they break/etc |
| [21:53:21] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, this is a condo unit |
| [21:53:31] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, I'm just privately renting from a owner |
| [21:53:46] | Led-Hed: | ya. I can see why they my be able to get away with it in that scenario |
| [21:53:57] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, but given the owner doesn't own the balcony or external walls, I don't see how the owner has any rights to mounting |
| [21:54:03] | sphery: | Led-Hed: though the Supreme Court has said that HOA's can't prevent you from using "reasonable" antenna/dish to receive TV, you still have to live with the people who don't want you to use them |
| [21:54:07] | phlegmer: | so could one get 2 HDHR to make the backend server have 4 tuners? |
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| [21:54:24] | sphery: | Led-Hed: and even if they can't legally make you take down the "ugly" antenna/dish, they can do other things to make your life difficult |
| [21:54:25] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer I do |
| [21:54:37] | Led-Hed: | sphery, agreed |
| [21:54:47] | Led-Hed: | which might also be illegal |
| [21:54:48] | kormoc: | phlegmer, keep in mind, the HDHR allows multi-rec so each tuner could record more then one show at a time |
| [21:54:54] | sphery: | for this reason, I put my antenna in my attic--and it turned out it was actually better, because I don't have to replace the antenna after every hurricane or wind storm |
| [21:54:57] | wagnerrp: | phlegmer: correct |
| [21:55:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | disallowing a big*ss yagi is one thing. banning dishies is a bit much. |
| [21:55:21] | phlegmer: | kormoc, REALLY! I didn't know that |
| [21:55:25] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, that maybe true, But I've rarely seen multi-rec work in the real world |
| [21:55:31] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, they're in a exclusive contract with a 3rd party directtv reseller and they get a *huge* kickback |
| [21:55:39] | phlegmer: | you know how many can be done at the same time on 1 tuner? |
| [21:55:58] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: for broadcast? sure... most stations only have the one major channel, plus maybe weather or news |
| [21:56:02] | sphery: | I have an antenna that's 9ft wide by 12-ft long |
| [21:56:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | you could record every subchannel if you wanted to. |
| [21:56:10] | sphery: | and my HOA has no idea |
| [21:56:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | holey moely sphery. |
| [21:56:27] | wagnerrp: | the CW is on my local CBS broadcaster, MyTV is on my FOX broadcaster |
| [21:56:37] | wagnerrp: | and then you have PBS that has half a dozen channels on the same mux |
| [21:56:46] | wagnerrp: | but multirec makes a lot more sense for cable |
| [21:56:49] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer, Technically youcan record 2 shows on 1 tunner if the shows are both on subchannels of the same channel |
| [21:56:49] | kormoc: | phlegmer, each 'channel' in a digital broadcast is sent with a few others and when you receive one, you receive all, and can record all |
| [21:56:58] | wagnerrp: | especially if your cableco is broadcasting everything in the clear |
| [21:56:59] | kormoc: | %s/2/as many as they send/ |
| [21:57:05] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: mkb v<n> for aacs. |
| [21:57:07] | sphery: | when I switched to digital, it was required to get the channels I wanted--but now that they've switched to all-digital, it's a bit overkill (they've move the digital to the more-powerful transmitters) |
| [21:57:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | what is the brand of this monster antenna? |
| [21:57:23] | wagnerrp: | you could have a dozen or more standard definition channels on a single physical cable channel |
| [21:58:06] | wagnerrp: | phlegmer: more specifically, mythtv limits you to five simultaneous recordings per tuner |
| [21:58:17] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, 5? |
| [21:58:20] | Led-Hed: | I thought it was 2 |
| [21:58:21] | phlegmer: | good to know |
| [21:58:29] | wagnerrp: | its hard set in the code, due to physical limitations of some tuners, and scaling issues with the scheduler |
| [21:58:32] | ** iamlindoro wonders how in the heck AACS managed to come up in this context ** | |
| [21:58:33] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: the default is 2 |
| [21:58:38] | sphery: | but, as Colin Hay says, "I know I'll be alright. It's just overkill" |
| [21:58:50] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, thats good to know |
| [21:59:05] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Follow up from hours ago. When I asked what's the latest version of mkb supported totally opensource. :) |
| [21:59:11] | iamlindoro: | 10 |
| [21:59:11] | phlegmer: | so if I needed to also include the 20 analog channels, I would need to also install an analog tuner into the backend server? |
| [21:59:26] | wagnerrp: | phlegmer: likely no |
| [21:59:33] | Led-Hed: | phlegmer, just do a channel scan with your HDHR or TV and you can see what channels are available unencrypted. |
| [21:59:43] | wagnerrp: | those 20 analog channels are just those that the cableco will still provide in analog |
| [21:59:45] | phlegmer: | ohhhhh |
| [21:59:50] | wagnerrp: | chances are they will also broadcast digital versions of those |
| [22:00:06] | wagnerrp: | they are not 'analog only' channels |
| [22:00:06] | phlegmer: | I'll have to check into that |
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| [22:00:44] | Led-Hed: | Analog is dead, so if your cable co is still broadcasting them, then there is most likely an identical HD channel |
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| [22:01:49] | Led-Hed: | BBL |
| [22:01:49] | phlegmer: | ok, now with ReplayTV, it's an appliance...basically set it and don't need to do any sort of maintainence on it. Once I have MythTV setup the way I would like, would this be the case as well? |
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| [22:02:37] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Thanks. Bugger for playing with any of my bluray movies excpet one that kinda sucks. |
| [22:02:39] | sphery: | phlegmer: how much so depends on what you do to your system |
| [22:02:59] | sphery: | you can have a very stable system--assuming you have very stable hardware--if you don't change stuff (at all) |
| [22:03:09] | wagnerrp: | phlegmer: you can set mythtv up, and leave it that way for years until you start having hardware failure |
| [22:03:09] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: If you want titles that will play, buy discs not made by Fox, from before early 2009 |
| [22:03:10] | sphery: | but the more you change, the less stable things will be |
| [22:03:24] | phlegmer: | understood |
| [22:03:26] | sphery: | and the more time you'll spend trying to fix things |
| [22:03:40] | iamlindoro: | alternately, you could go track down a new processing key, I know i'd appreciate that :) |
| [22:03:42] | phlegmer: | I guess I was more looking at like a Windows type server where you have to always baby sit it with updates |
| [22:04:03] | sphery: | and, the more you know about MythTV--the more you follow its development--the better informed you'll be as to when/why/whether to upgrade stuff |
| [22:04:38] | sphery: | so, basically, MythTV becomes a hobby that you'll likely spend time on--fixing your system or following development :) |
| [22:04:54] | phlegmer: | hmmmm |
| [22:05:07] | phlegmer: | that's the problem.... have too many hobbies already :) |
| [22:05:16] | sphery: | if you want plug and play and forget, your best bet is cable/satellite DVRs or TiVo |
| [22:05:17] | high-rez: | kormoc: Does anyone else have access to your balcony? If the answer is 'no' then it's considered 'exclusive use' space, and is covered by OTARD. See here: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html ... They cannot prohibit you from having a dish up to 1 meter in diameter in an exclusive use area. They /can/ however, designate a 'common' are for you to setup dishes so long as the common area has view of sky you need and you're given the required acc |
| [22:05:40] | wagnerrp: | that so otarded |
| [22:05:50] | kormoc: | high-rez, maintenance staff has access to it |
| [22:05:50] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Cool good to know. |
| [22:05:52] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [22:05:55] | phlegmer: | yeah, I'm considering Tivo too....just don't like to pay the monthly Tivo Tax though |
| [22:06:02] | sphery: | cannot prohibit doesn't mean cannot make your life hard |
| [22:06:15] | wagnerrp: | replaytv had a similar 'tax' |
| [22:06:27] | kormoc: | high-rez, they prohibit cordless phones, etc too |
| [22:06:28] | phlegmer: | unless you got lifetime...which I did |
| [22:06:29] | wagnerrp: | even mythtv has such a 'tax' |
| [22:06:34] | sphery: | besides, he's likely going to have to pay for the tv subscription from the provider his condo chose, anyway |
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| [22:06:41] | high-rez: | kormoc: They may have access to it, but if its for your exclusive use they can not prohibit you. |
| [22:06:43] | wagnerrp: | doesnt tivo have a lifetime subscription? |
| [22:06:51] | high-rez: | kormoc: Your HOA sounds worse than mine ;) |
| [22:07:04] | phlegmer: | Wagnerrp, my understanding is they stopped doing lifetime |
| [22:07:06] | kormoc: | high-rez, yeah... they're a bit harsh |
| [22:07:11] | phlegmer: | according to a buddy.... |
| [22:07:13] | phlegmer: | who has Tivo |
| [22:07:31] | phlegmer: | MythTV has a tax? |
| [22:07:36] | sphery: | that sounds right to me--I think I remember hearing about them dropping the lifetime |
| [22:07:43] | iamlindoro: | He put quotes around it because tax is the wrong word |
| [22:07:44] | high-rez: | kormoc: When my HOA gave me crap, I printed out OTARD and informed them I was legally entitled to have as many dishes as I need to cover every satellite ion the sky up to 1 meter in diameter. And that I would make a HUGE dish garden in my yard. They backed off, ammended the rules and went away. |
| [22:07:50] | sphery: | phlegmer: yes, you'll need to send me a check for $10 each month |
| [22:07:58] | iamlindoro: | but yes, to use mythtv you want listings. In the US, this means a $20/year subscription to Schedules Direct |
| [22:08:13] | sphery: | (if you're using an approved FOSS application) |
| [22:08:26] | wagnerrp: | the 'free' alternative is to use EIT data from the broadcasters |
| [22:08:28] | sphery: | otherwise, it means you pay for the listings through your provider--TiVo, cable/satellite company |
| [22:08:32] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to get that at all through the cableco |
| [22:08:40] | sphery: | and that means you can't use the deeply discounted listings available through Schedules Direct |
| [22:08:41] | high-rez: | kormoc: You should propose that they setup an area on the roof for dishes that can be communally shared. That's allowed by OTARD as a rememdy for everyone having a dish in their balcony... |
| [22:08:44] | wagnerrp: | and youre not likely to get more than a few hours from terrestrial broadcasters |
| [22:08:57] | wagnerrp: | compared to the two weeks of data you get through schedules direct |
| [22:09:08] | sphery: | and the terrestrial broadcasters will likely provide garbage listings, anyway |
| [22:09:12] | kormoc: | high-rez, mine won't be so simple. They have a exclusive agreement with this direct reseller, it makes them *a ton* of money and so they won't allow anyone to get out of it |
| [22:09:14] | sphery: | i.e. wrong/incorrect, etc. |
| [22:09:45] | kormoc: | high-rez, we have communal dishes on the roof already, just only allowed to be used for directtv service via this third party |
| [22:10:05] | high-rez: | kormoc: Tell them that you want to get farsi tv from 97w. That's OTA – and requires a 1 meter dish. |
| [22:10:07] | kormoc: | high-rez, I'm paying almost 2x the cost of directtv normally, don't have access to their support when things go down, etc |
| [22:10:13] | justinh: | hey, when will the MythNZB plugin be ready? ;-) |
| [22:10:31] | sphery: | justinh: heh |
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| [22:10:36] | wagnerrp: | justinh: scroll back, i posted a video of it already runnin |
| [22:10:37] | wagnerrp: | g |
| [22:10:51] | justinh: | season's greetings btw... that's actually why I dropped by (the greets I mean) |
| [22:10:58] | kormoc: | high-rez, on the upside, I get 100/100 internet... |
| [22:11:00] | high-rez: | kormoc: That's totally shady of them. I'd fight it just to fight it. Dish network will install huge multiswitch banks for multi-unit-dwellings and the subscribers get normal rates... |
| [22:11:03] | sphery: | yeah, gotta love that--some idiot posts a video of himself stealing copyrighted content to YouTube |
| [22:11:13] | sphery: | I wonder if I can get Google to remove it under a complaint... |
| [22:11:44] | kormoc: | can try |
| [22:11:56] | sphery: | I don't like that it says MythTV /and/ shows copyright violation |
| [22:11:57] | iamlindoro: | Misuse of Project name + depicting piracy |
| [22:12:03] | sphery: | right |
| [22:12:03] | iamlindoro: | betcha you can, betcha it'll work |
| [22:12:06] | ** sphery tries ** | |
| [22:12:34] | sphery: | now to figure out how to complain |
| [22:12:41] | phlegmer: | am I to understand that a Boxee box and WD box can work as front end for MythTV backend server? |
| [22:12:59] | iamlindoro: | only in the loosest sense of the term |
| [22:13:00] | wagnerrp: | sorta kinda, using UPNP |
| [22:13:11] | wagnerrp: | they can play scheduled recordings |
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| [22:13:26] | sphery: | and you lose /all/ access to nice features of MythTV's mythfrontend |
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| [22:13:32] | phlegmer: | better to get a true frontend then |
| [22:13:33] | sphery: | including commercial skipping, timestretch, ... |
| [22:13:40] | sphery: | yes |
| [22:13:53] | sphery: | real frontend with a real processor (not a toy) and a good GPU is the best bet |
| [22:14:02] | sphery: | good GPU = NVIDIA GPU supporting VDPAU |
| [22:14:06] | phlegmer: | nettop with an ION? |
| [22:14:14] | sphery: | that would be the toy I mentioned |
| [22:14:15] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:14:17] | justinh: | wagnerrp: heh on that video it's kinda hard to tell if the artifacts are in the source or not ;-) |
| [22:14:22] | phlegmer: | ahh |
| [22:14:29] | sphery: | though if you get an Atom, at least get an ION |
| [22:14:38] | sphery: | then it's just a bad idea, but might do some of what you want |
| [22:14:59] | sphery: | getting an atom with intel GPU is worse than a bad idea--it's basically nonfunctional |
| [22:15:07] | sphery: | (for a MythTV frontend) |
| [22:15:16] | sphery: | fine for other uses, though |
| [22:15:23] | phlegmer: | bad meaning it's too slow to navigate? |
| [22:15:27] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Amusingly, Qt comes with a torrent client example that would be *maybe* 15 minutes of work to MythUI |
| [22:15:29] | justinh: | make for a nice webserver with web browser head though |
| [22:15:40] | iamlindoro: | *presumes knowing what you are doing |
| [22:15:47] | justinh: | hahaha. |
| [22:16:22] | justinh: | I used to think I knew what I was doing |
| [22:17:00] | phlegmer: | one doesn't need a whole lot of HDD space for a front end do they? |
| [22:17:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | bad meaning it doesn't have the hardware to decode video. |
| [22:17:23] | kormoc: | the google tv is a ion platform |
| [22:17:32] | kormoc: | I'm surprised at how big and loud the sucker is |
| [22:17:58] | justinh: | the google tv thing is from the future. a future where nobody uses mpeg2 ;-) |
| [22:18:07] | sphery: | kormoc: and no MPEG-2, right? |
| [22:18:13] | kormoc: | Aye, no mpeg-2 |
| [22:18:18] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Gotta cool the IdentiTheft Hardware Accelerator |
| [22:18:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | A dedicated frontend requires no disk space to speak of, could be booted off of a thumbdrive if you were so inclined. |
| [22:18:19] | sphery: | who needs MPEG-2, anyway |
| [22:18:23] | sphery: | we've got VP8! |
| [22:18:25] | kormoc: | and no h264 in a mpeg container |
| [22:18:28] | sphery: | where we = Google |
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| [22:18:46] | justinh: | oh just transcode on the fly |
| [22:18:52] | phlegmer: | Jedidiah, ahh good to know |
| [22:19:10] | justinh: | you could always netboot, too |
| [22:19:30] | phlegmer: | now there's a thought |
| [22:19:36] | phlegmer: | make the backend also a PXE server |
| [22:19:53] | justinh: | it's not necessarily that much slower – or even *any* slower than booting off a disk |
| [22:20:10] | sphery: | as Asa Dotzler said, "Don't be evil unless we think we can get away with it." |
| [22:20:16] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Woot found one of my disks that work :) |
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| [22:22:12] | phlegmer: | wait a tick.... |
| [22:22:24] | justinh: | that's a long tick |
| [22:22:35] | phlegmer: | if the IVS thing on ReplayTV was so illegal, how can the Poopli site still exist? |
| [22:22:36] | iamlindoro: | + a tock |
| [22:22:49] | iamlindoro: | phlegmer: Because it's not run by any corporate entity and has escaped notice |
| [22:22:53] | justinh: | poopli? sounds a bit wrong, that |
| [22:23:09] | iamlindoro: | ie, the ReplayTV people never created or sanctioned it |
| [22:23:23] | phlegmer: | ahh |
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| [22:24:02] | phlegmer: | I know that once you get a show, you are not able to re-share a shared show.... |
| [22:24:05] | iamlindoro: | realistically, it should be sued out of existence, and probably will be when some legal intern gets to that spot on the list |
| [22:24:06] | phlegmer: | so they sorta did limit it |
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| [22:24:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | In order for there to be a lawsuit, someone somewhere has to care enough to file it. |
| [22:25:11] | kormoc: | phlegmer, "Once you shoplift a item, you can't shoplift it again" doesn't make the first shoplift legal |
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| [22:25:26] | justinh: | had a proper miracle happen today btw. my wife was unloading the car last night and er.. according to our CCTV the camcorder bag dropped onto the ground without her seeing it. a few minutes went by then somebody picked it up & walked off with it. Boo! But – a neighbour saw a bag on a wall further down the road later.. so I did a little bit of door to door and... we got the camcorder with baby's 1st xmas back :-D |
| [22:26:00] | sphery: | Didn't they just arrest the guy who's spam network was responsible for 2/3 the span on the 'net? If so, why am I getting more spam than ever? |
| [22:26:17] | justinh: | don't you *want* a brand new genuine rolex? |
| [22:26:25] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: not true, it could be shoplifted from the pawn shop used to fence it |
| [22:26:27] | nate____: | I have a new install of mythtv on gentoo and I can't get it to play videos. I have a NFS share mounted to /media and the video storage group points there. I can browse through the folders, but nothing plays. Player is set to Internal. Stumped at this point |
| [22:26:36] | justinh: | send n money now, just your bank login details will do |
| [22:26:50] | phlegmer: | I think I know the answer but can Myth sling video to road warriors? |
| [22:26:57] | kormoc: | nate____, we'd need to see the logs |
| [22:26:59] | iamlindoro: | justinh: So convenient! |
| [22:27:20] | justinh: | phlegmer: kinda not, but maybe.. with mythweb streaming to flash |
| [22:27:20] | wagnerrp: | nate____: are your videos currently stored on a machine running a mythbackend? |
| [22:27:28] | iamlindoro: | nate____: Would need frontend logs pastebinned to be able to help you |
| [22:27:53] | iamlindoro: | and since you're using storage groups, backend logs too |
| [22:28:01] | justinh: | iamlindoro: convenient? heh my wife was fair beating herself up over it. darn CCTV – I'd never have known otherwise |
| [22:28:13] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I meant that I need only share my bank details ;) |
| [22:28:17] | justinh: | heh |
| [22:29:52] | nate____: | http://pastebin.com/MdnHypms |
| [22:30:00] | justinh: | great anyway – in 2010 even at this time of year people were either so ignorant of what could've been in the bag – or they were just being unselfish non-thieves. Kinda heartwarmy really |
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| [22:30:35] | iamlindoro: | nate____: There's no attempt to play a video here |
| [22:31:05] | nate____: | There should be. Unless I grabbed the wrong file. |
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| [22:31:22] | iamlindoro: | 2010-12–27 11:10:17.890 Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Terra/video-ui.xml |
| [22:31:23] | iamlindoro: | 2010-12–27 11:10:23.780 Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Terra/video-ui.xml |
| [22:31:25] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [22:31:31] | iamlindoro: | That's just browsing about in MythVideo |
| [22:31:37] | nate____: | /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log |
| [22:32:11] | iamlindoro: | We need logs that actually indicate an attempt to play a video |
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| [22:32:31] | iamlindoro: | If you like, you can simply run mythfrontend from a terminal and cut and paste |
| [22:32:45] | iamlindoro: | or if you're using ubuntu packages, run "mythfrontend.real" (grumble) |
| [22:33:00] | nate____: | this is gentoo |
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| [22:33:27] | iamlindoro: | Then open a terminal and run mythfrontend, go to mythvideo, attempt to play a file, and pastebin the terminal output |
| [22:34:19] | kormoc: | mythfronted -v playback,audio |
| [22:34:27] | iamlindoro: | shouldn't be necessary |
| [22:34:33] | iamlindoro: | in fact, please don't do that |
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| [22:34:52] | iamlindoro: | (since he's saying ti does nothing, not that there's a playback failure) |
| [22:35:14] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [22:35:15] | iamlindoro: | Well... I guess you've got a point, he wasn't real specific |
| [22:35:16] | nate____: | What will the line start with? Looking at what came out on the console, it is more of the same thing. |
| [22:35:21] | iamlindoro: | sure, use that logging :) |
| [22:35:32] | iamlindoro: | nate____: Just give us the complete log output |
| [22:35:52] | iamlindoro: | How are you attempting to start playback? |
| [22:36:52] | nate____: | select the file, a blank summary window pops up, click play |
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| [22:37:31] | nate____: | If there should be info in that window about the file, there is nothing there. |
| [22:37:44] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: nate____: Just give us the complete log output |
| [22:39:37] | nate____: | Trying to figure out how to do that. No window manager, just x server launching with mythtv. |
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| [22:40:23] | iamlindoro: | Running myth without a windows manager is not supported |
| [22:40:36] | iamlindoro: | and it's possible that the focus issues that cause it to be not supported are your issue |
| [22:41:31] | iamlindoro: | sphery take note |
| [22:43:15] | iamlindoro: | One possible way to *maybe* avoid a focus issue if that's what you're seeing is to try the list view and play a video from that |
| [22:43:20] | nate____: | Tried a different directory and it worked. Looking at the file structure, it looks like I had a permissions issue. "chown -R nfsnobody:nfsnobody media" fixed it |
| [22:43:27] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [22:43:51] | iamlindoro: | you will probably want a WM, though, as the kind of issue you're seeing here *can* pop up and permanently detach you from the FE when an external program is spawned |
| [22:44:10] | sphery: | hey, but I /need/ that 300kB of RAM for other stuff |
| [22:44:21] | sphery: | who needs to manage windows, anyway--I mean I only want to use windows |
| [22:44:59] | kormoc: | 388k for evilwm! |
| [22:45:00] | nate____: | yea, xfcd is light enough I may try that. |
| [22:45:17] | kormoc: | which is what we require when you compile with autostart |
| [22:45:30] | sphery: | RatPoison is only about 300kB of incremental RAM usage (over and above what's used by X itself) |
| [22:46:00] | sphery: | and xfce isn't bad, either (definitely better than any other desktop environment) |
| [22:46:02] | nate____: | either way, not going to use KDE or Gnome. |
| [22:46:10] | sphery: | but if you don't need a DE, use a plain old WM |
| [22:46:42] | sphery: | ok, so it seems that creating a youtube account isn't the magical way to make the take down notice information visible |
| [22:47:07] | phlegmer: | ok all, thanks for the food for thought.... |
| [22:47:09] | phlegmer: | gotta run |
| [22:47:10] | nate____: | yea, this is a box that is going to sit next to the TV and play movies. What do I need an office suite for? |
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| [22:47:31] | kormoc: | to write a report about the movie after you watch it? |
| [22:47:31] | sphery: | right... RatPoison or evilwm would be perfect--and very lightweight |
| [22:47:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Click "copyright" at the bottom of any page? |
| [22:48:22] | sphery: | ah, so copyright now includes "Inappropriate content (Nudity, violence, etc.)", "Abuse/Harrassment (Someone is attacking me)", "Trademark infringement (Someone is using my trademark)", and "Other legal issue" |
| [22:48:29] | iamlindoro: | sphery: http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/req . . . t_type=abuse |
| [22:48:30] | sphery: | and here I thought copyright meant, er, copyright |
| [22:49:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines |
| [22:49:37] | iamlindoro: | "If you’ve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, don’t post it unless you have permission." |
| [22:49:52] | sphery: | so violation of community guidelines |
| [22:50:02] | iamlindoro: | And violation of MythTV name |
| [22:50:04] | sphery: | which allows flagging video |
| [22:50:07] | iamlindoro: | I would attack from both angles |
| [22:50:21] | sphery: | yeah, but since it's not a registered trademark, I don't know if they'll give that much weight |
| [22:50:25] | sphery: | will mention it, though |
| [22:51:21] | sphery: | and they don't have community guidelines when you select flag |
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| [22:51:54] | sphery: | in spite of the description under flagging videos at http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/ans . . . nswer=178909 |
| [22:51:58] | sphery: | I hate google |
| [22:52:25] | nate____: | "No stream found to handle url myth://Videos@127.0.0.1:6543/The King of Kong.avi" = need codec? |
| [22:53:21] | iamlindoro: | MythTV does not use external codecs |
| [22:53:27] | iamlindoro: | it soulds like you're trying to use an external player |
| [22:53:29] | sphery: | iamlindoro: if you can find a way to report it, I wouldn't mind someone else doing so |
| [22:53:33] | iamlindoro: | specifically, sounds like mplayer |
| [22:54:31] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types, check all file types and set all to Internal |
| [22:54:39] | nate____: | yep. Seems to have reverted back to a previous setting |
| [22:55:13] | iamlindoro: | Also, make sure the default player is "Internal" captial I |
| [22:55:37] | sphery: | OK, maybe I'll go with a direct e-mail to Google with a CC to some of the content owners of the content shown being stolen |
| [22:55:45] | iamlindoro: | (though not strictly necessary since an empty player field will default to Internal) |
| [22:55:57] | nate____: | yea, that took care of that. wonder why it changed? |
| [22:56:18] | sphery: | heh, his menu entry says, "Movie Times" |
| [22:56:25] | sphery: | wonder what plugin he used as the skeleton |
| [22:56:35] | iamlindoro: | Well, Myth isn't capable of reverting your changes and mplayer no longer appears anywhere in the source so really the only way is that some mistake was made in the first place |
| [22:56:56] | nate____: | I did make that mistake, but I changed it back |
| [22:57:21] | iamlindoro: | k, cosmic rays reordering bits in perfect order to set player to mplayer |
| [22:57:23] | iamlindoro: | sounds about right |
| [22:57:34] | kormoc: | BOFH excuse #215125143 |
| [22:58:02] | sphery: | it was a butterfly |
| [22:58:03] | sphery: | I did it |
| [22:58:10] | nate____: | I think emacs has that ability as a command switch |
| [22:58:20] | sphery: | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| [22:58:39] | sphery: | C-x M-c M-butterfly |
| [22:58:41] | nate____: | yep |
| [22:58:42] | kormoc: | emacs --change-mythtv-mythvideo-default-player-from-Internal-to-mplayer |
| [22:59:26] | nate____: | cool sound even works. |
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| [23:05:08] | sphery: | and what part of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo is related to mythtv? |
| [23:05:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | you never know. there could be an emacs mysql elisp program we don't know about. |
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| [23:06:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery: What about the one where he loops the eject command and rocks his baby with the CD tray? |
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| [23:06:53] | iamlindoro: | What part of that one is MythTV? |
| [23:08:32] | nate____: | what the crap |
| [23:08:53] | kormoc: | looks like dog, but I'm not gonna taste it |
| [23:08:58] | nate____: | how has that dudes house not burned to the ground |
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| [23:17:26] | Led-Hed: | anyone know if theres a 0.24 backport for Ubuntu 9.10 (karmic)? |
| [23:18:32] | high-rez: | No idea, but ./configure;make;make install isn't very difficult ;) |
| [23:18:51] | tgm4883: | Led-Hed, not from the mythbuntu taem |
| [23:18:53] | tgm4883: | team* |
| [23:18:59] | tgm4883: | jya might have one on his repo |
| [23:19:41] | Led-Hed: | high-rez, compiling from source never goes smoothly for me. |
| [23:20:07] | Led-Hed: | tgm4883, where can I fing jya's repo? |
| [23:20:13] | Led-Hed: | find even |
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| [23:20:55] | Led-Hed: | nm found it |
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| [23:23:09] | semsem: | Hi |
| [23:23:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv-streaming-nzbs-13403/ |
| [23:23:34] | semsem: | Can someone help me please? |
| [23:23:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i saw that earlier |
| [23:23:58] | wagnerrp: | i was going to comment on it if the thread had actually gone anywhere |
| [23:24:07] | semsem: | I want to know the path of lircrc? |
| [23:24:15] | semsem: | I am suing mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [23:24:19] | wagnerrp: | ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [23:24:35] | Led-Hed: | semsem, or find / -name "lircrc" |
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| [23:24:47] | semsem: | what does the ~ mean? |
| [23:24:53] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv only reads from ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [23:24:54] | Led-Hed: | home folder |
| [23:25:06] | semsem: | oh thanks |
| [23:25:14] | Led-Hed: | ist shorthand for /home |
| [23:25:24] | wagnerrp: | where ever home may be according to the users current folder |
| [23:25:31] | wagnerrp: | s/folder/environment/ |
| [23:25:38] | semsem: | aha |
| [23:25:48] | semsem: | it means the current folder |
| [23:25:59] | wagnerrp: | no, it means the user's home folder |
| [23:26:08] | semsem: | I see |
| [23:26:09] | sphery: | I can't figure out how to ask Google to remove either all references to MythTV (in the page and the first 5s of video) or the entire video |
| [23:26:10] | Led-Hed: | so cd ~/.mythtv will take you to /home/user/.mythtv |
| [23:26:14] | semsem: | Thanks a lot |
| [23:26:27] | wagnerrp: | more specifically, it means the folder defined by $HOME |
| [23:26:34] | sphery: | they make it pretty much impossible to complain about anything |
| [23:26:43] | semsem: | :) |
| [23:27:11] | wagnerrp: | note that 'cd'ing to ~/.mythtv may not take you to the configuration folder used by mythtv |
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| [23:27:28] | wagnerrp: | a lot of distros like to play games by resetting $HOME to be something else |
| [23:27:34] | semsem: | hmm, what does this mean? |
| [23:27:54] | wagnerrp: | it means you should really ask in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [23:27:58] | semsem: | in /home |
| [23:28:04] | semsem: | I have two folders |
| [23:28:07] | semsem: | mythtv |
| [23:28:13] | semsem: | and /sami |
| [23:28:16] | Led-Hed: | semsem, just do as I said earlier. find / -name "lircrc" |
| [23:28:36] | semsem: | ok Led will do it now |
| [23:28:40] | semsem: | thanks |
| [23:29:00] | Led-Hed: | that will find all occurances of the file lircrc and you can choose which ever file you feel is most appropriate |
| [23:29:10] | semsem: | I see |
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| [23:36:03] | semsem: | there was no file"lircrc" |
| [23:36:10] | semsem: | when I searched for it |
| [23:36:39] | semsem: | Led-Hed, are you here? |
| [23:36:45] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, you would be better served in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [23:37:03] | semsem: | I asked there |
| [23:37:12] | semsem: | nobody gave a damn |
| [23:37:14] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu does things with wrapper files which places the mythtv config folder in a location you wouldnt expect |
| [23:37:27] | semsem: | aha |
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| [23:37:51] | semsem: | hopefully they will reply later on |
| [23:37:59] | semsem: | thanks alot |
| [23:39:12] | semsem: | or my best bet is to put the file "lircrc" in every /.mythtv? |
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| [23:48:00] | Led-Hed: | semsem, what do you need? |
| [23:48:34] | Led-Hed: | you dont need to copy lircrc to each .mythtv, you can just symlink it |
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| [23:56:47] | semsem: | ok LED thanks for the advice |
| [23:57:07] | Led-Hed: | semsem, what are you trying to do? |
| [23:57:11] | semsem: | advise* |
| [23:57:23] | Led-Hed: | create a custom lircrc? |
| [23:57:28] | semsem: | setting up my remote |
| [23:57:31] | semsem: | yes |
| [23:57:39] | Led-Hed: | ok |
| [23:57:39] | semsem: | I did my lircd.conf |
| [23:57:51] | Led-Hed: | how are you creating it? |
| [23:58:01] | semsem: | irrecord |
| [23:58:07] | Led-Hed: | ok. |
| [23:58:24] | semsem: | I use VDR it is stable |
| [23:58:26] | Led-Hed: | how many frontends do you have? |
| [23:58:37] | semsem: | but I see mythtv have many features |
| [23:58:42] | semsem: | 2 |
| [23:58:49] | wagnerrp: | is VDR still maintained? |
| [23:59:01] | semsem: | yes but mostly by German |
| [23:59:20] | semsem: | language barrier is the issue |
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