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| [01:03:46] | RDV_Linux: | rhpot1991: Sorry but I do not have a newer script than the one you link to. As I wrote, I found manual edits in Avidemux of 720p recordings achieved what I wanted for loss less edits. |
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| [01:26:12] | lyricnz: | I just added a quad tuner to my system, loaded driver, and added the four devices in mythtvsetup – but, in mythtv this appears as 8 devices, not four. Any idea? |
| [01:26:26] | lyricnz: | Is this the current way the multi-record per duplex works? |
| [01:30:09] | wagnerrp: | someone sells a quad tuner? |
| [01:30:21] | wagnerrp: | only one ive ever heard of is the Ceton cablecard tuner |
| [01:30:25] | wagnerrp: | and its not available for purchase |
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| [01:32:36] | iamlindoro: | multiplex, not duplex |
| [01:32:52] | iamlindoro: | A duplex is a building two households reside in |
| [01:33:20] | iamlindoro: | (and or bidirectional flow of information) |
| [01:33:54] | wagnerrp: | and yes, mythtv defaults to two virtual tuners per physical digital tuner |
| [01:33:59] | iamlindoro: | and yes, 4 digital tuners will be 8 encoders |
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| [02:09:01] | Tuxteri: | foreca.fi |
| [02:09:12] | Tuxteri: | ops wron channel |
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| [03:08:47] | nutron: | minimum recommended memory for a diskless frontend for decoding HD with an nvidia g210? |
| [03:09:18] | [R]: | nutron: well i have 2gb of ram, and 512 is dedicated to my onbaord video |
| [03:09:21] | wagnerrp: | any machine with a PCIe slot to handle a g210 is going to have plenty of memory |
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| [03:11:17] | nutron: | wagnerrp: even 1gb? my itx mobo only has one slot, currently all i have hanging around are 1gb ddr2 modules... so i was wondering if that's enough mem |
| [03:12:05] | wagnerrp: | what kind of piece of crap mobo doesnt have at least as many slots as memory channels? |
| [03:12:19] | nutron: | a fancy one! |
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| [03:13:32] | nutron: | foxconn barebones system |
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| [03:27:20] | kormoc: | and people wonder why I went with a mac mini |
| [03:28:28] | [R]: | kormoc: i give up... why? |
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| [03:30:43] | wagnerrp: | oh kevin pollock... game shows? how low you have fallen |
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| [03:32:50] | kormoc: | [R], how about none of this crap like your mobo costing more to support dual channel memory but only giving you one physical slot? |
| [03:33:37] | [R]: | kormoc: lol |
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| [03:34:08] | [R]: | OMG |
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| [03:34:17] | [R]: | there is a cassette tape soundtrack for saved by the bell |
| [03:34:18] | [R]: | i want! |
| [03:35:41] | kormoc: | if space is a concern, use laptop memory... |
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| [03:37:03] | wagnerrp: | oh kormoc, stop making sense |
| [03:37:40] | nutron: | kormoc: ahh I can't complain, complete, case and mobo for $89 canuckian dollars shipped. Add my chip and a ram stick and voila, off I go. (oh plus the $35.00 vid card) ... |
| [03:38:14] | [R]: | i got my ion for like $75 |
| [03:38:14] | nutron: | though yeah i _could_ have used a second slot for two gigs. |
| [03:38:22] | [R]: | and that had 2 slots and it had an onboard video |
| [03:38:53] | nutron: | [R]: gah... oh well I'm not the best shopper then. Where'd you find an ion system for $75? I couldn't find one even close to that. |
| [03:39:30] | [R]: | it was like a little over a year ago |
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| [03:39:32] | [R]: | on newegg |
| [03:39:52] | nutron: | meh, they had no such thing |
| [03:39:57] | nutron: | this time anyway |
| [03:40:21] | [R]: | and i also got my hdpvr ofr like $175 |
| [03:40:44] | nutron: | :/ :( |
| [03:41:37] | Shadow__X: | [R]: you should post these deals on the user-list, you know things that would actually benefit peole |
| [03:42:13] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:42:22] | [R]: | people do that all the time |
| [03:42:29] | [R]: | and like i said... it was over a year ago |
| [03:43:07] | wagnerrp: | an HDPVR for $175 isnt that impressive anymore, since MSRP was dropped to $200 |
| [03:43:45] | [R]: | but hwne i got it, it was |
| [03:44:26] | wagnerrp: | and when you got it, it wasnt uncommon to get it for ~$150 from dell |
| [03:45:07] | [R]: | yeah |
| [03:45:10] | [R]: | but aside from that |
| [03:45:11] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:45:33] | wagnerrp: | awww come on... seriously? |
| [03:45:59] | Shadow__X: | its 190 now on amazon free shipping |
| [03:46:01] | wagnerrp: | the 'backend addons wishlist' has a subtopic.. 'Input Streams – TV/Radio/Other' |
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| [03:46:27] | wagnerrp: | so right below that some guy adds a bunch of requests in a new 'Input Streams – TV' topic |
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| [03:47:46] | iamlindoro: | I like the part where they have "uncompressed streams" |
| [03:48:01] | wagnerrp: | read the doc... hes just repeating what he sees there |
| [03:48:03] | iamlindoro: | Lucky russians with their 4 GBit/s internet |
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| [03:48:25] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't imply that the stream is uncompressed |
| [03:48:34] | wagnerrp: | maybe... the XML description files are compressed? |
| [03:48:48] | iamlindoro: | That would be my assessment (without trying) |
| [03:48:57] | wagnerrp: | URL: http://www.iptv-distribution.net/cas/service.asmx?WSDL (compressed) |
| [03:48:57] | wagnerrp: | URL: http://www.iptv-distribution.net/ucas/service.asmx?WSDL (not compressed) |
| [03:49:40] | kormoc: | "MythTV Frontend on Windows Mobile. Since a frontend is working on Windows, a Windows Mobile version could be promising, One challenge might be a touch interface." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH |
| [03:50:24] | kormoc: | My phone is currently a winmo 6.5 phone. It takes, and I'm not kidding, 90 seconds to start playing a mp3 file locally on the phone |
| [03:50:38] | kormoc: | and it doesn't play it cleanly |
| [03:52:21] | Shadow__X: | kormoc: some people are not intouch with reality. Its a sad fact of life |
| [03:54:08] | wagnerrp: | the IPTV input doesnt support a channel changer does it? |
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| [03:57:03] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [03:57:17] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think so |
| [03:57:27] | wagnerrp: | it seems this would need something to 'prime' the stream |
| [03:57:32] | iamlindoro: | (though adding it would probably me an insanely trviail bit of work) |
| [03:57:36] | iamlindoro: | er trivial |
| [03:57:36] | wagnerrp: | tell the servers that machine is allowed access |
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| [04:08:17] | ** wagnerrp is saddened that 'Xbox Frontend' is #23 in the most visited wiki pages ** | |
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| [04:12:57] | iamlindoro: | could fix that :) |
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| [04:13:35] | wagnerrp: | just delete it? |
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| [04:23:00] | kormoc: | HOLY SPACE MONKEYS! https://github.com/blog/644-subversion-write-support |
| [04:23:06] | kormoc: | WE CAN USE SVN WITH GITHUB |
| [04:23:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, yeah |
| [04:23:19] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, heh |
| [04:23:40] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: well i plastered a big warning at the top, and locked it |
| [04:23:47] | wagnerrp: | about to do the same for XvMC |
| [04:24:02] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I loved the argument we got about the note box on XvMC |
| [04:25:23] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
| [04:25:33] | wagnerrp: | i just managed to destroy the sidebar |
| [04:25:36] | wagnerrp: | its just... gone |
| [04:25:54] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind |
| [04:26:09] | wagnerrp: | apparently i managed to scroll laterally just the perfect amount to hide it |
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| [04:30:29] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU came out in late 2008, right? |
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| [04:47:32] | zoran119: | if i'm connecting to a backend on a remote machine, do i have to have backend running on the local machine? |
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| [04:50:31] | wagnerrp: | no, you only run backends on machines with tuners |
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| [04:53:30] | zoran119: | keeps complaining that it cannot connect to the backend... might be mysql... |
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| [04:56:38] | wagnerrp: | pastebin your frontend logs |
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| [04:57:57] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, yes, 2008ish |
| [04:58:07] | zoran119: | wagnerrp: don't have time now... i will in a few days |
| [04:58:19] | zoran119: | wagnerrp: thanks for the help |
| [04:58:26] | wagnerrp: | what is the specific error you see? |
| [04:58:58] | wagnerrp: | to run a remote frontend, both your mysql server and backend must be configured to allow remote access |
| [05:01:09] | zoran119: | does mysql need to be running on the local machine? |
| [05:01:59] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:02:04] | wagnerrp: | there is one single database |
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| [05:02:12] | wagnerrp: | you must connect to the remote database |
| [05:03:25] | zoran119: | the backend is running on mythbuntu and i don't know the mysql root password... |
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| [05:15:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | zoran119: Google is your friend.... There's a file you can 'cat' on the backend which has the randomly assigned DB password... |
| [05:16:38] | zoran119: | J-e-f-f-A: trying... i found the password for the 'mythtv' user, but not for 'root' |
| [05:16:48] | wagnerrp: | thats all you need |
| [05:17:06] | wagnerrp: | well... assuming it allows global connects |
| [05:21:03] | zoran119: | wagnerrp: it doesn't... i think that there is no 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.4' user (192.168.1.4 is the ip of the remote front end) |
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| [05:21:35] | zoran119: | wagnerrp: i was hoping to use the root account to add this new user and grant the premissions to mythconver database |
| [05:23:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | zoran119: You can probably go into mysql as root and do the grant for remote access — see http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php – about 1/2 way down – "Remote Front-ends" |
| [05:25:02] | zoran119: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah... but i don't know the mysql root password |
| [05:27:23] | dingus: | why not just reset the root password? |
| [05:28:01] | zoran119: | yeah... might have to |
| [05:28:11] | zoran119: | anyway... got no time time now... |
| [05:28:16] | wagnerrp: | as the mythbuntu people what to do |
| [05:28:24] | zoran119: | i'll be back in a week |
| [05:28:27] | wagnerrp: | theyre the ones who set up a mysql server and didnt give yu the root password |
| [05:28:37] | zoran119: | thanks for your help everyone |
| [05:28:53] | dingus: | ubuntu is good at not giving you root anything :P |
| [05:29:10] | wagnerrp: | if they prevent you from using root, they have to provide an alternative |
| [05:29:41] | [R]: | i'm watching border wars |
| [05:29:47] | dingus: | idk first thing i do on ubuntu is set a root password |
| [05:29:48] | [R]: | "it isn't a crime to be in the river... but it is dangerous" |
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| [05:30:14] | wagnerrp: | i think thats the first thing you do when setting up any system |
| [05:30:52] | [R]: | root password? i dont need no stinkin root password |
| [05:30:55] | [R]: | and speaking of passwords |
| [05:31:05] | [R]: | wagnerrp: did you figure out that bug in the bindings with the no password? |
| [05:31:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i know how to fix it, not sure if i should |
| [05:31:54] | [R]: | because i shoudl'nt be using a blank password to begin with? |
| [05:32:47] | wagnerrp: | it just seems... wrong |
| [05:32:56] | [R]: | hehe |
| [05:33:09] | wagnerrp: | i realize mythtv is asecure, but it just doesnt seem right to create a mysql account without a password |
| [05:33:17] | [R]: | you know... that's the one thing i hate about my job |
| [05:33:20] | [R]: | when i'm not allowed to fix bugs |
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| [05:35:25] | lyricnz: | wagnerrp: sorry, was afk. the quad tuner is http://www.digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/Quad.html |
| [05:35:52] | lyricnz: | wagnerrp: then why doesn't my existing (dual) tuner show up as four? Should I delete and readd? |
| [05:36:03] | wagnerrp: | dual digital tuner? |
| [05:36:16] | lyricnz: | yes, of course – dvico dual digital 4 |
| [05:36:21] | lyricnz: | that's a dual tuner |
| [05:36:30] | lyricnz: | and the new quad, is four more. |
| [05:36:43] | lyricnz: | so I was expecting 6 devices in myth. |
| [05:36:50] | lyricnz: | there was 2 |
| [05:36:50] | wagnerrp: | the only reason i could think of is youve been carrying around that database since before multirec was added in... 2007? |
| [05:36:53] | [R]: | it doesnt have an amp in it? |
| [05:37:04] | [R]: | it says "you must supply it a good quality signal" |
| [05:37:08] | lyricnz: | wagnerrp: quite possible, machine has been upgraded many many times |
| [05:37:24] | lyricnz: | would deleting and readding those devices put them back? |
| [05:37:43] | wagnerrp: | when you do, make sure to 'delete all tuners' |
| [05:37:48] | wagnerrp: | so it resets the numbering |
| [05:37:50] | lyricnz: | mythtvsetup shows (2+4) six devices, but mythfe shows 10 (2 + 2*4) |
| [05:37:58] | lyricnz: | ok |
| [05:38:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup will only show those devices that exist on that machine |
| [05:38:22] | wagnerrp: | oh, yeah, mythtv-setup shows the physical cards |
| [05:38:33] | lyricnz: | so I should delete and readd in mythtvsetup? |
| [05:38:37] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend and the backend status page shows the virtual encoders |
| [05:38:37] | lyricnz: | (yes both physical devices are on there |
| [05:38:41] | wagnerrp: | delete everything, add them back |
| [05:38:48] | lyricnz: | ok |
| [05:38:53] | wagnerrp: | you may want to go into the custom options on each as you add them |
| [05:39:01] | wagnerrp: | and give them 3 or 4 virtual tuners ewach |
| [05:40:13] | wagnerrp: | eew... |
| [05:40:44] | wagnerrp: | it has a PCIe to PCI bridge, a PCI to USB bridge, and four USB tuners |
| [05:40:54] | [R]: | i saw that |
| [05:40:55] | wagnerrp: | thats seriously messed up |
| [05:40:55] | lyricnz: | yeah, it's low-rent :) |
| [05:40:56] | [R]: | and it confused me |
| [05:41:22] | [R]: | is a pci bus enough bw to provide 4 streams? |
| [05:41:51] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T isnt going to carry more than 25–30mbps |
| [05:42:02] | wagnerrp: | the exact amount varies depending on the broadcast parameters |
| [05:42:04] | [R]: | i really dont know how much bw pci has |
| [05:42:14] | wagnerrp: | so four of them are only going to be ~120mbps |
| [05:42:23] | wagnerrp: | PCI theoretically has 133MBps |
| [05:42:38] | wagnerrp: | and considering its a dedicated bus for those four tuners |
| [05:42:40] | wagnerrp: | not a problem |
| [05:42:51] | wagnerrp: | USB is the bigger bottleneck here |
| [05:43:17] | [R]: | why is that more ideal than just straight up usb? |
| [05:43:18] | wagnerrp: | and i suspect at 120mbps from four devices, youre really starting to put a strain on the bus |
| [05:43:36] | wagnerrp: | because its a single card, rather than four separate dongles |
| [05:43:39] | lyricnz: | deleted and readded devices, now got 12, as you suggested. |
| [05:43:40] | wagnerrp: | dongles suck |
| [05:43:51] | [R]: | they oculd make 1 dongle |
| [05:43:55] | lyricnz: | why two virtual devices? to do the multi-mutex stuff? |
| [05:44:17] | wagnerrp: | yes, the virtual tuners is how multirec is set up in mythtv |
| [05:44:34] | wagnerrp: | it was the easy(ier) way to do it, but it results in some quirks |
| [05:45:04] | lyricnz: | so myth will failover from a "busy" tuner to next real device okay? ie: I don't need to worry about it? |
| [05:45:44] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will record on the first tuner capable of receiving that channel |
| [05:45:58] | wagnerrp: | if a virtual tuner is locked to a different multiplex, it will be skipped |
| [05:46:03] | lyricnz: | sweet |
| [05:46:13] | lyricnz: | So I've got 12 virtual tuners now :) |
| [05:46:20] | [R]: | holy crap |
| [05:46:27] | [R]: | 3000 lbs of marijuana |
| [05:46:30] | wagnerrp: | that also means if you start a livetv session, it will pick the first tuner, which may be locked to a multiplex |
| [05:46:38] | wagnerrp: | and may behave in a manner you didnt expect |
| [05:46:45] | lyricnz: | we never watch livetv, but thanks for the tip |
| [05:46:59] | wagnerrp: | [R]: eh? |
| [05:47:05] | [R]: | wagnerrp: watching border wars |
| [05:47:14] | lyricnz: | if kids want to watch live tv, they switch the tv to DVB rather than av-in |
| [05:47:17] | [R]: | wagnerrp: they tried to smuggle it in an a truck carrying food |
| [05:47:40] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why they dont have special bales of 'hay' |
| [05:47:55] | wagnerrp: | who would ever suspect a pickup truck carrying hay |
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| [05:48:03] | [R]: | well it had cans of something |
| [05:48:05] | [R]: | and they xrayed it |
| [05:48:09] | wagnerrp: | this is just grass officer |
| [05:48:15] | [R]: | and noticed the density wasn't even |
| [05:48:27] | wagnerrp: | you look in an xray, and it all looks like grass |
| [05:48:32] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:48:41] | [R]: | maybe the smugglers need to hire you |
| [05:48:41] | [R]: | :P |
| [05:49:14] | wagnerrp: | when you want to separate it, run it through a combine, and the larger hay will separate out from the thinner weed |
| [05:52:26] | ** Beirdo stretches out, and is glad the day is OVER ** | |
| [05:52:52] | [R]: | i'm glad tomorrow is my last day |
| [05:52:56] | [R]: | i really need a vacation |
| [05:53:00] | clever: | wagnerrp: just make 4 walls of hay cubes and then completely fill the inside with weed cubes :P |
| [05:53:07] | kormoc: | It's Mr. Beirdo's birthday today! |
| [05:53:13] | clever: | same way you bail the hay up normaly |
| [05:53:20] | iamlindoro: | Happy Birthday! |
| [05:53:27] | ** iamlindoro should have noticed that on FB ** | |
| [05:53:31] | wagnerrp: | clever: no, they could simply move one |
| [05:53:42] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: today the 22nd? or today the 23rd? |
| [05:53:51] | kormoc: | 22nd |
| [05:54:11] | wagnerrp: | youre a bit late... 10pm over there? |
| [05:54:17] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [05:56:41] | Beirdo: | Thank ye :) |
| [06:01:06] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, My sister's birthday was today too |
| [06:03:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | H.B. Beirdo! ;-) |
| [06:04:21] | wagnerrp: | but... its the 23rd |
| [06:04:24] | wagnerrp: | its too late |
| [06:04:24] | dingus: | hey i got a issue, i got lirc reading my remote, but i cant work out how to pipe that into mythtv, everything i read says somthing about ~/.mythtv/lircrc, but it dosent exist and i dont quite understand what to do with it |
| [06:04:37] | [R]: | wagnerrp: only for losers who live on the east coast... |
| [06:04:45] | wagnerrp: | dingus: you have to create one |
| [06:04:46] | kormoc: | Beirdo, once UPnP gets discovered, does it stop using udp 1900? |
| [06:05:05] | dingus: | i figured as much but what needs to go into it? |
| [06:05:27] | wagnerrp: | dingus: /etc/lircd.conf maps IR codes to named commands sent out by the lircd daemon |
| [06:05:47] | Beirdo: | kormoc: afaik |
| [06:05:47] | wagnerrp: | ~/.mythtv/lircrc is then read in by mythtv to translate the named commands sent out by lircd into events |
| [06:06:03] | Beirdo: | it's the 22nd still here |
| [06:06:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | dingus: an entry for each key recognized by lirc, mapping it to a function/key in Myth. |
| [06:06:16] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I see. There's no current logging of the udp 1900 requests in mythbackend is there? |
| [06:06:25] | wagnerrp: | dingus: there are several pre-made lircrc on the mythtv wiki if one of them matches your remote |
| [06:06:45] | dingus: | any chance you can link me to the pre made ones on the wiki? |
| [06:06:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A can't spell today... doh! 1am ;-) ** | |
| [06:06:55] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: all programs listening for UPNP listen to the multicast address on port 1900 |
| [06:07:08] | Beirdo: | kormoc: don't think so. If there are, it would be on -v upnp I'd bet |
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| [06:07:19] | kormoc: | Beirdo, aye, I'm not seeing it there, so guess not |
| [06:07:22] | [R]: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-PCI-Express-USB-SATA . . . t_2809wt_947 |
| [06:07:23] | wagnerrp: | in the discovery requests, the sender lists their port in the packet |
| [06:07:24] | [R]: | i can't figure it out |
| [06:07:26] | [R]: | what the hell is that? |
| [06:07:37] | wagnerrp: | and the sender can listen for responses on whatever port they choose |
| [06:07:43] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yeah. Wireshark says I'm sending the same packet other upnp apps do, but myht doesn't respond the same... |
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| [06:08:22] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . V/msearch.py |
| [06:08:43] | wagnerrp: | the msearch routine i wrote up cycles through ports until it finds one open it can listen on |
| [06:08:57] | wagnerrp: | after that, it sends its address out in the M-SEARCH packet |
| [06:09:09] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [06:09:10] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that port 1900 is used for is that initial autodiscovery packet |
| [06:09:23] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, everything is free to use whatever port they want |
| [06:09:26] | kormoc: | it's more that myth doesn't reply to my packet when it's the same as others that it does respond to |
| [06:09:47] | wagnerrp: | what are you listening on? |
| [06:09:54] | kormoc: | 1900 |
| [06:10:04] | wagnerrp: | but what address |
| [06:10:06] | kormoc: | but I'm actually doing packet capturing via wireshark |
| [06:10:13] | kormoc: | 0.0.0.0 |
| [06:10:28] | kormoc: | but wireshark doesn't show the packets hitting the interface, so that's all mote right now |
| [06:11:01] | wagnerrp: | dingus: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:LIRC_Configuration_Files |
| [06:11:11] | dingus: | thanks heaps |
| [06:11:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | dingus: Here's a link to my file – you'll have to tweak it to your remote buttons: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/dot_lircrc.txt |
| [06:11:17] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: youve looked at the search packet sent out by, whatever youre using? |
| [06:11:25] | kormoc: | yes |
| [06:11:42] | wagnerrp: | and it has broadcast that it is listening on <local address>:1900? |
| [06:11:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | dingus: ... and save it as .lircrc in your ~mythtv/.mythtv directory... |
| [06:12:16] | dingus: | thanks heaps, can i just say, you guys are really helpful |
| [06:12:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | dingus: Sometimes... ;-) and sometimes we just tell folks to JFGI ... ;-) hehehehe |
| [06:13:47] | dingus: | i know that feeling, i figure your time is worth at least as much as mine, if i cant bother googleing it, why should you bother helping |
| [06:13:55] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [06:16:01] | dingus: | anyother question i got 3 buttons on the remote that dont come up in irw, how do i get the code to add said buttons to lirc.conf? |
| [06:16:19] | [R]: | dingus: irrecord |
| [06:16:40] | wagnerrp: | dingus: stop lircd, run 'mode2' to access the device directly |
| [06:16:56] | wagnerrp: | if 'mode2' doesnt respond when you press those buttons, you cant do anything |
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| [06:22:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yay... saved my church's CD duplicator by replacing the bad cd-r drives with DVD writers... ;-) And they were only $14.99 each ('refurbs')... work perfectly, even with DVDs now. ;-) |
| [06:24:44] | [R]: | what kind of cds does a church make? |
| [06:25:07] | Beirdo: | sermons |
| [06:25:12] | [R]: | audio? |
| [06:25:14] | dingus: | ok mode2 produces output for the 3 missing buttons, but i have no idea what to do with the output |
| [06:25:20] | Beirdo: | choir performances |
| [06:25:23] | [R]: | [11:16:19] [R] dingus: irrecord |
| [06:25:39] | Beirdo: | awww, come ON, directv.pl |
| [06:25:42] | Beirdo: | no failing me now |
| [06:29:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Yeah, Messages. ;-) |
| [06:30:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: It has been having seemingly random failures with all 3 burners... I thought maybe the controller was bad, but took a chance an bought 4 'new', matching DVD-RW drives, and they work perfectly. So it was the drives themselves that were going bad... |
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| [06:30:51] | [R]: | interesting hunch |
| [06:31:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: I figured I could build a linux-based burner with them if they didn't work with the 'copier' controller. ;-) |
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| [06:31:45] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: and one that won't cost the church an arm and a leg |
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| [06:31:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Right. ;-) |
| [06:33:13] | Beirdo: | I should make my channel-change script be more robust yet |
| [06:33:38] | Beirdo: | I made it so if it fails, it will try again by changing to the channel it is on, and THEN to the other channel |
| [06:33:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | I downloaded 'TurboJet2' last-night – it's kick-arse.... I will eventually build a Linux monster-burner system with at least 8 drives. ;-) And 'turbojet2' lets you burn different things to different drives at the same time if you want... really nice. ;-) |
| [06:33:44] | Beirdo: | which often works |
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| [06:33:55] | Beirdo: | but... this time I had to hard-reset it |
| [06:34:18] | Beirdo: | should just make it so if it STILL fails... hard reset it |
| [06:34:29] | Beirdo: | and tell it to return failed |
| [06:34:44] | Beirdo: | that should get me one failed recording instead of like 5 in a row |
| [06:34:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Yeah, when I had Dish, I had to make the channel-change script do a 'channel up', then change to the 'real' channel number. Otherwise if myth accidentally tuned to a non-subbed channel, dish wouldn't let you enter a channel number... dumb UI design... |
| [06:35:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:35:20] | Beirdo: | I guess I could go to the TV next time it does it, and see what |
| [06:35:24] | Beirdo: | 's on the screen |
| [06:35:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | And myth would only do that when mythfilldatabase fetched new channels from SD and inserted them... (before I disabled that feature!) ;-) |
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| [06:46:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: The only problem with building a 'burner' system yourself is that the standard "PC" cases with many exposed drive bays (7+) start at about $200... So I'm thinking of building my own. ;-) |
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| [06:59:29] | kormoc: | Woo! GOT IT! |
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| [07:00:24] | [R]: | that's what she said |
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| [07:08:28] | kormoc: | Beirdo, wagnerrp, do you know how to get the database info via UPnP offhand? |
| [07:09:41] | Beirdo: | hmm, not sure |
| [07:10:02] | wagnerrp: | you dont get the database info over upnp exactly |
| [07:10:06] | wagnerrp: | you just use it to find the backend |
| [07:10:10] | wagnerrp: | and you pull the info over mythxml |
| [07:10:17] | kormoc: | Ahh, I see |
| [07:10:20] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: well, for upnp you do |
| [07:10:21] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:10:39] | kormoc: | ha! |
| [07:10:41] | Beirdo: | but it makes the menu structure for the upnp clients |
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| [07:10:44] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/GetConnectionInfo_%28MythXML%29 |
| [07:10:52] | kormoc: | I have mythweb working via upnp! |
| [07:11:13] | Beirdo: | but it all depends on what part of "upnp" you are looking for :) |
| [07:11:24] | Beirdo: | oooh, the discovery part? |
| [07:11:46] | Beirdo: | will it let you choose between master backends if there are multiples? |
| [07:11:57] | kormoc: | Aye, discovery |
| [07:12:02] | kormoc: | I can, but I don't yet |
| [07:12:08] | Beirdo: | i.e. my devel backend and the real prod backend... both should return |
| [07:12:09] | kormoc: | it just uses the first one it finds |
| [07:12:22] | Beirdo: | does it use config.xml to override? |
| [07:12:38] | kormoc: | Beirdo, .htaccess/apache vhost conf override |
| [07:12:43] | kormoc: | but if they're not there, it uses upnp |
| [07:12:49] | Beirdo: | K |
| [07:13:10] | Beirdo: | sounds very similar to how the mythfrontend, etc does it, but subtly different |
| [07:13:13] | Beirdo: | cool though :) |
| [07:13:27] | Beirdo: | if I can specify which one to hit in the config, all is good |
| [07:13:49] | kormoc: | I'll add that |
| [07:14:11] | kormoc: | I'll use the first one unless there's database settings already configured or a master one is set |
| [07:14:36] | Beirdo: | sounds like a good compromise |
| [07:15:09] | kormoc: | Beirdo, feel free to add a ticket to make that configurable tho, cause that would be best |
| [07:15:39] | Beirdo: | K. I'll try to get one in so I don't forget :) |
| [07:16:20] | wagnerrp: | make sure to provide a patch, or it will get closed FWROP... :P |
| [07:16:39] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [07:16:42] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [07:16:49] | Beirdo: | I'll close YOU |
| [07:16:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [07:20:54] | Beirdo: | kormoc: #9401... feel free to add more info or whatever :) |
| [07:26:02] | wagnerrp: | is this a feature request to change the behavior of code that hasnt even been committed into the repository? |
| [07:26:58] | kormoc: | Yup! |
| [07:27:36] | wagnerrp: | sounds like it could be close invalid, the code doesnt behave as you suggest |
| [07:27:55] | wagnerrp: | plus you forgot a 't' |
| [07:28:15] | ** wagnerrp goes down to the basement to restart his backend ** | |
| [07:28:30] | wagnerrp: | seems detaching an iscsi disk while it is still mounted is a 'bad thing' |
| [07:28:41] | wagnerrp: | kernel panics and all |
| [07:29:20] | wagnerrp: | its starts yelling 'oh sh** oh sh** my disk is gone', and runs off into the hills |
| [07:33:09] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [07:36:35] | wagnerrp: | honestly, that makes me a bit fearful of this script im writing to manage all these mounts and chroot into my build environment |
| [07:38:04] | kormoc: | Hahaha! This is nice |
| [07:38:16] | ** wagnerrp thinks kormoc is having fun ** | |
| [07:38:26] | Beirdo: | always a good thing :) |
| [07:38:51] | kormoc: | *biggest* mythweb setup issue by far is the database info |
| [07:39:19] | Beirdo: | definitely |
| [07:39:38] | wagnerrp: | isnt that like... the only issue? |
| [07:39:41] | Beirdo: | htdigest knocks a few people back a peg, but it's well documented |
| [07:39:49] | wagnerrp: | i mean its not like there is anything really configurable |
| [07:40:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the database and the password stuff |
| [07:40:05] | dingus: | wagnerrp: [R]: thanks for your help, i got the remote working thanks :D |
| [07:40:11] | Beirdo: | and the base dir for redirects |
| [07:40:18] | Beirdo: | not much else to tweak :) |
| [07:40:39] | Beirdo: | OK, maybe max memory allocation for PHP... for some people with WAY too many recordings |
| [07:40:47] | ** Beirdo looks at sphery ** | |
| [07:41:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i had a bit of problem with the rewritebase setting it to / instead of /mythweb |
| [07:41:08] | wagnerrp: | but that was all cleared up years ago |
| [07:41:13] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:41:19] | wagnerrp: | and recordings support paging |
| [07:41:24] | Beirdo: | and is well documented in the config file |
| [07:41:28] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: maybe that should be set to a sensible limit, like 200? |
| [07:41:39] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [07:41:50] | kormoc: | perhaps |
| [07:43:05] | wagnerrp: | or honestly, 25 would probably suffice |
| [07:43:21] | Beirdo: | 25 might be a bit on the low side ;) |
| [07:43:30] | wagnerrp: | when i look at that screen, im either looking at the last few days of recordings, or im doing a batch delete of a whole season |
| [07:44:11] | Beirdo: | 25 would be like a day and a half of recordings... if that |
| [07:44:19] | wagnerrp: | while im at it, theres a bug with the javascript that causes the usage to jump to exactly 1TB when deleting files |
| [07:44:43] | kormoc: | huh |
| [07:44:54] | wagnerrp: | i think thats whats causing it |
| [07:45:07] | wagnerrp: | occasionally, i see it pegged at 1TB |
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| [07:47:15] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, i only ever see it when deleting, and then only when deleting a single show |
| [07:47:23] | wagnerrp: | since thats the only time the list is short enough that i see the bottom |
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| [07:54:42] | ** kormoc rips his hair out ** | |
| [07:55:12] | Beirdo: | careful |
| [07:55:18] | kormoc: | "You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you want to merge with" |
| [07:55:28] | Beirdo: | what branch are you on |
| [07:55:29] | kormoc: | So how do I pull into a branch I'm not in? |
| [07:55:33] | kormoc: | UPnP |
| [07:55:59] | Beirdo: | usually, I just checkout master, do the pull, then checkout the other branch again |
| [07:56:19] | Beirdo: | I think you can do git pull origin master:master |
| [07:56:41] | Beirdo: | from any branch and it should update the local master from the remote master |
| [07:57:30] | kormoc: | okay, there we go |
| [07:57:40] | kormoc: | had me worried it ate the commit as the push failed but it's in github |
| [07:58:42] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [07:58:48] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [07:59:03] | wagnerrp: | one of the disks failed to dismount, and i disconnected anyway |
| [07:59:19] | Beirdo: | I sense disaster |
| [07:59:22] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if it can withstand a reboot, or if im destined to another trip to the basement |
| [08:03:21] | wagnerrp: | no tftp logs... screw it, ill reboot it in the morning |
| [08:03:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:03:54] | Beirdo: | I think I'll be hitting the sack |
| [08:04:47] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [08:04:53] | kormoc: | how do I delete a remote branch? |
| [08:05:25] | Beirdo: | ummm, normally you wouldn't. |
| [08:05:28] | Beirdo: | anything on it? |
| [08:05:45] | kormoc: | not anymore. Merged to master |
| [08:05:52] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [08:06:04] | Beirdo: | I think it's git branch -d -r branchname |
| [08:06:15] | kormoc: | error: remote branch 'UPnP' not found. |
| [08:06:28] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [08:06:35] | kormoc: | ahh, origin/branchname |
| [08:07:01] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure. There is a way, but I'm too wiped to recall it :) |
| [08:08:01] | Beirdo: | I'm sure we can let ya know tomorrow :) |
| [08:09:41] | Beirdo: | there is a way to do it with git push |
| [08:09:52] | Beirdo: | (very dangerous, but...) |
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| [08:30:12] | ** lyricnz wants a "delete all the crap my wife recorded" filter... :) ** | |
| [08:30:51] | kormoc: | lyricnz, create a new recgroup for your stuff, her stuff goes into the default one, there ya go |
| [08:31:23] | lyricnz: | Either that, or I could just buy more storage. |
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| [08:31:40] | lyricnz: | :) |
| [08:32:12] | lyricnz: | System was originally 2x80gb, then added 2x160, then 2x320, then 2x750 (and removed 80's and 160s), finally 2x1TB, and removed... uh some of the smaller stuff |
| [08:32:24] | lyricnz: | so have a big pile of old drives on the bench, hahah |
| [08:32:51] | lyricnz: | I see 2TB sata drives are < $100 now, so that might be the next thing :) |
| [08:32:54] | wagnerrp: | ive got a big drawer full of them |
| [08:33:40] | lyricnz: | yeah, that's the nature of it, isn't it? |
| [08:33:59] | wagnerrp: | i use them for offline backups |
| [08:34:13] | lyricnz: | my frontend has 1TB drive, and I think about 12GB of it is actually partitioned |
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| [08:36:46] | wagnerrp: | if its a dedicated frontend, why does it have a hard drive? |
| [08:38:14] | lyricnz: | too slack to set up netboot etc |
| [08:38:31] | wagnerrp: | so use one of the old 80GBs, and put the 1TB drive somewhere it will do some good |
| [08:39:18] | lyricnz: | yeah. did I mention I'm super lazy? :) |
| [08:39:55] | wagnerrp: | but, you already had it installed on the 80GB, and the 160GB, and the 320GB, and the 750GB |
| [08:39:58] | lyricnz: | Can't be bothered reinstalling OS, or making boot disks or whatever |
| [08:40:08] | wagnerrp: | why do you keep replacing the hard drives and reinstalling if you are lazy |
| [08:40:10] | lyricnz: | I've no idea what's on the 80. Probably redhat 7 :0 |
| [08:40:24] | lyricnz: | 'cause I run out of space, and too lazy to delete stuff. |
| [08:40:36] | lyricnz: | The system disk might still be one of the small ones |
| [08:40:37] | wagnerrp: | but youre only using 12GB of it |
| [08:41:22] | lyricnz: | on the fe? yeah. but the new/big drive is way quieter than the 80s too |
| [08:41:39] | wagnerrp: | so have it spin down when not in use |
| [08:41:49] | lyricnz: | but my quiet psu blew up, so it's back to noisy. |
| [08:41:49] | lyricnz: | s |
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| [16:21:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: have you actually tried the find_orphans script? |
| [16:21:42] | wagnerrp: | ive been reading through it, and i cant come up with a reason why those people on the list are getting that error |
| [16:21:56] | wagnerrp: | the only solution ive got is that theyre actually not |
| [16:22:05] | wagnerrp: | and rather screwed up somehow through copy-paste |
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| [16:52:03] | b^j: | when i try to watch recordings on my myth frontend/backend combo i don't get video and in the console i get the message "Waited too long for video out to pause" repeating. I can watch recordings on other mythfrontends, just not this one, any ideas how i can fix this? |
| [16:52:34] | wagnerrp: | you can watch recordings on remote frontends, but not the one that actually stores the video? |
| [16:52:42] | b^j: | wagnerrp, correct |
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| [17:00:24] | b^j: | i have tried everything i found in the archives, killing gnome-screensaver, disabling scaling in the video card, disabling compositing, nothing seems to work |
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| [17:14:04] | b^j: | cool, now it won't update the display when i go to the various menus under utilites/setup |
| [17:14:30] | b^j: | is there a way to blow away my frontend settings so i can start from scratch on those? |
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| [17:36:47] | wagnerrp: | not currently, no |
| [17:37:41] | b^j: | ok, i got video playback, sort of by using radeon instead of fglrx for Xorg and disabling the "use opengl for video sync" setting, but not i have 2 copies of the video stream stacked on top of each other, any ideas how to fix this? |
| [17:38:05] | wagnerrp: | use fglrx |
| [17:38:21] | b^j: | then i don't get video |
| [17:38:39] | wagnerrp: | unless you have an older card (radeon X000 or older), the open source radeon drivers likely wont do what you need |
| [17:39:06] | wagnerrp: | this is why nvidia hardware is recommended |
| [17:39:24] | b^j: | good to know |
| [17:39:47] | wagnerrp: | ATI graphics support has historically been awful |
| [17:40:05] | b^j: | yeah, i hoped it would be good enough for my purposes |
| [17:40:16] | wagnerrp: | its getting better, but theyre still nowhere near the caliber of the nvidia or even intel drivers |
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| [17:40:24] | wagnerrp: | the problem with intel is more one of lack of performance |
| [17:40:38] | b^j: | was hoping not to be able to use the on board video on this system |
| [17:40:40] | wagnerrp: | works fine for Xv, but only the most recent stuff has enough power for opengl |
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| [17:41:50] | b^j: | will i be fine with a low end nvidia card, i don't want to deal with to much extra heat in the enclosed space the system is in |
| [17:42:11] | wagnerrp: | what is your onboard video? |
| [17:43:12] | b^j: | ati 9715 |
| [17:43:55] | wagnerrp: | why not just use that? |
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| [17:44:16] | b^j: | that is what i am using |
| [17:44:41] | wagnerrp: | and thats the one you cant get the fglrx drivers working on? |
| [17:45:23] | b^j: | fglrx works with it, but my video freezes |
| [17:45:33] | b^j: | err doesn't even start |
| [17:45:37] | wagnerrp: | what playback profile are you using? |
| [17:49:08] | b^j: | cpu+ |
| [17:49:15] | wagnerrp: | try slim |
| [17:50:19] | b^j: | same "waited to long for video out to pause" message as before |
| [17:50:43] | wagnerrp: | that was awfully fast |
| [17:51:21] | b^j: | it starts coming within a few seconds of trying to start playback |
| [17:51:22] | wagnerrp: | you went into the options menu, playback settings, went through to playback profile, selected slim, went all the way forward to 'finish', went back to watch recordings, and opened a recording in that amount of time? |
| [17:51:37] | b^j: | yeah |
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| [17:54:36] | b^j: | i just disabled the use opengl to sync video setting and its working fine now with the slim profile |
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| [17:54:44] | b^j: | thanks for the help! |
| [17:55:45] | wagnerrp: | it might be worth figuring out why opengl isnt working |
| [17:56:02] | wagnerrp: | that is the preferred output mechanism in mythtv |
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| [17:57:07] | Baylink: | So, sphery, wagnerrp; I finally got memtest+ 4.0 installed and booted on that machine last night... 2 full passes, not a single error. Any further thoughts? |
| [17:57:57] | wagnerrp: | what was the original error you were having? |
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| [18:20:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://www.threadless.com/product/2386/Hollywood_Swindle |
| [18:24:18] | Baylink: | wagnerrp: "/usr/local/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x08465ef9 ***" |
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| [18:24:36] | Baylink: | I have several; let me check whether the address changes — I think it does. |
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| [18:27:02] | Baylink: | It does. The items in the backtrace are always the same, though. |
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| [18:36:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: haven't tried it, yet. I'll do so next time I boot my dev box. Did you try having them download it with mythwikiscripts? |
| [18:36:21] | sphery: | I like the T-shirt |
| [18:37:04] | wagnerrp: | yep, and worked as expected |
| [18:37:12] | sphery: | heh |
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| [18:43:27] | bbeattie: | I had a main drive in my myth server box go bad, so I lost the DB but still have the recordings. Is there a script (or is it possible) to pretty up the filenames so I can make sense of saved recordings? I can't remember if the nuv format used for myth recordings saved recording info (hdtv recordings if that makes any difference) |
| [18:44:16] | wagnerrp: | no backups? |
| [18:44:29] | bbeattie: | of the db, nah... |
| [18:44:45] | wagnerrp: | nuppelvideo does not store hdtv recordings |
| [18:44:54] | wagnerrp: | those are all going to be mpegs |
| [18:45:04] | wagnerrp: | and the filename only contains the channel id and starttime |
| [18:45:14] | bbeattie: | right, I know at some point myth did (or there was talk of) storing some info in the mpeg headers |
| [18:45:27] | wagnerrp: | not that im aware of |
| [18:46:02] | bbeattie: | thought that might be the case but wanted to be sure |
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| [18:52:51] | Baylink: | I dump the db every night, and copy the backups to all my media drives; I already learned that lesson. :-) |
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| [19:10:18] | Digdilem: | bbeattie, I wrote a script that renames the files to human readable, but it requires the db to determine what they should be named, so you're prolly out of luck |
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| [19:15:42] | bbeattie: | k |
| [19:19:00] | Digdilem: | guess you've got a long night ahead, playing them and renaming them manually :) |
| [19:19:40] | wagnerrp: | Digdilem: there already is a script to rename them to be human readable, but that was removed in favor of one that does symlinking only |
| [19:19:46] | wagnerrp: | since renaming them is dangerous |
| [19:20:00] | Digdilem: | i know the rationale, I just disagree with it |
| [19:20:17] | bbeattie: | *nods* but luckily it's only, 8tb of recordings. ;) |
| [19:20:34] | Digdilem: | lol, that's a very long night |
| [19:20:46] | wagnerrp: | the point is the script is already there, and even if you still insisted on renaming, the existing script could be modified to do so in just a couple of lines |
| [19:21:05] | bbeattie: | too bad no one keeps an online db/api for all past tv shows ever broadcast |
| [19:21:34] | wagnerrp: | bbeattie: even if they did, you wouldnt be able to match it up to your chanid |
| [19:21:48] | Digdilem: | only automated thing I can think of is based on old program data and datetime, but even then you wouldn't get channel |
| [19:22:15] | bbeattie: | I could manually map a channel id to broadcast channel id |
| [19:22:27] | wagnerrp: | youve never made a database backup? |
| [19:22:42] | wagnerrp: | every time you upgrade the schema, mythbackend will do it for you automatically |
| [19:22:52] | bbeattie: | I'd settle for show name and episode name |
| [19:22:58] | wagnerrp: | and unless youve defined a storage group for you to put them in |
| [19:23:04] | wagnerrp: | it will put them into one of the recording folders |
| [19:23:18] | wagnerrp: | since you still have your recordings, presumably there exists one in one of the recording folders |
| [19:23:45] | bbeattie: | I'll get it worked out one day |
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| [19:33:28] | ** Baylink wonders if DataDirect keeps archival data around... ** | |
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| [19:34:06] | wagnerrp: | you still need a way to match it to your chanid |
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| [19:36:26] | Baylink: | Well, given his cable system, they can do that too, no? |
| [19:36:37] | wagnerrp: | assuming he sets the source up properly |
| [19:36:45] | wagnerrp: | and the channels havnet changed |
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| [19:37:16] | wagnerrp: | recordings are stored against chanid, which for analog is <source><channel #> at the time of creation |
| [19:37:35] | wagnerrp: | so if a channel was say 48, and now its 27 |
| [19:37:39] | wagnerrp: | it wont match |
| [19:38:13] | wagnerrp: | the recording filename was chosen for mythtv's internal use |
| [19:38:17] | wagnerrp: | not for any sensible external use |
| [19:39:04] | Baylink: | Oh yeah; realignments. Crap. |
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| [19:46:15] | wagnerrp: | basically, the only reliable mechanisms for recovering recordings would either be from an old backup, or from a metadata file stored with the recording |
| [19:46:41] | wagnerrp: | the former should be done automatically, and should also be done regularly by the user |
| [19:46:50] | wagnerrp: | the latter is something that has been discussed for years |
| [19:47:06] | wagnerrp: | implemented at least once, but never committed |
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| [19:48:13] | wagnerrp: | ive got some relatively untested support in the trunk bindings for import and export of XML data for recordings |
| [19:48:34] | wagnerrp: | import was designed for pulling auxiliary data from the mythvideo grabbers |
| [19:48:37] | Crys: | wagnerrp: Does the AVI container format support something similar to EXIF, IPTC or XMP? |
| [19:49:03] | wagnerrp: | and export dumps an xml file of the same format for later import |
| [19:49:22] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt take a whole lot of code to wrap it in a userjob script to be run when something is recorded |
| [19:49:29] | wagnerrp: | and another script to import any orphaned recordings |
| [19:49:42] | wagnerrp: | Crys: i do not believe AVI has anything |
| [19:50:10] | wagnerrp: | mkv is extensible, and if it doesnt support anything officially, we could always just add our own text string |
| [19:50:18] | wagnerrp: | but that would require switching everything over to mkv |
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| [19:50:50] | wagnerrp: | which would require at least remuxing support for the upnp server if its not to break everything |
| [19:51:33] | Crys: | And AVI is still a defacto standard ... |
| [19:51:44] | wagnerrp: | AVI hasnt been a defacto standard for years |
| [19:51:52] | wagnerrp: | AVI has been garbage since before mythtv was started |
| [19:52:11] | wagnerrp: | the whole purpose for going with nuppelvideo nearly a decade ago was because AVI was garbage |
| [19:52:42] | Crys: | AVI is based on Windows 3.x formats — no additional comments required here ;) |
| [19:53:08] | wagnerrp: | and since nothing officially has ever recorded to or transcoded to avi.... |
| [19:53:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has only ever done nuv and mpg, even nuvexport was intended for exporting and not in-place transcoding |
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| [19:58:44] | darkfrog: | I have a new model Hauppauge HD-PVR and have been having trouble getting it to work properly in Ubuntu...is there a distribution that will get up and working smoother without having to compile a custom version of LIRC and v4l? |
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| [19:59:26] | darkfrog: | I would consider Mythdora as it claims to have better support, but it was April that they last released a new version it looks like. |
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| [20:02:17] | Crys: | darkfrog: ppa:yavdr/stable-vdr contains recent versions of v4l and s2-liplianin |
| [20:04:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | nuv may be "better" but it's still more of a pain to deal with. mention it to anyone else and they just go WTF? |
| [20:04:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | you shouldn't need to be compiling LIRC these days. |
| [20:05:01] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: now, you would be correct |
| [20:05:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | rebuilding v4l is more a hauppauge issue than antyhing else. |
| [20:05:07] | darkfrog: | Crys: looking it up, but I have no idea what that is. :o |
| [20:05:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | dunno why they changed the USB id on the newer 1212's |
| [20:05:39] | wagnerrp: | back in 2002 when mythtv was released, AVI was missing capability that mythtv needed, such as properly handling aspect ratios |
| [20:05:58] | darkfrog: | JEDIDIAH__: well, I try to launch LIRC and I get: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/309049/ |
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| [20:06:13] | wagnerrp: | and the two big formats you could use back then were AVI and MPEG2 |
| [20:06:34] | wagnerrp: | mp4 hadnt caught on, mkv didnt exist, i dont know what the state of ogm back then was |
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| [20:06:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | what lirc device did you pick when you setup lirc in the package install? |
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| [20:11:38] | darkfrog: | JEDIDIAH__: Hauppauge DVB-s card (just picked a Hauppauge since HD-PVR wasn't listed) |
| [20:13:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | dunno about the HDPVR blaster. there's a separate channel for the hdpvr. perhaps the driver dev can help you out. |
| [20:14:54] | kormoc: | darkfrog, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#C . . . tter_Support |
| [20:16:05] | darkfrog: | kormoc: yeah, already been through there and it won't compile against the latest kernel |
| [20:16:20] | kormoc: | then you'll have to patch it |
| [20:16:32] | kormoc: | you can't just pick another random hauppauge and have it work |
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| [20:17:47] | darkfrog: | kormoc: yeah |
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| [20:18:06] | darkfrog: | ah, switching from lirc_dev to lirc_zilog got lirc to start.... |
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| [20:28:16] | jarle: | Is there any real reason NOT to enable active EIT scan on all dvb-s cards? |
| [20:28:57] | stuartm: | jarle: some drivers are unstable and don't handle frequent retuning very well |
| [20:29:26] | stuartm: | generally it's safe |
| [20:32:17] | jarle: | stuartm: but as long as the cards use the same driver, the retuning load will be the same no matter how many cards have active eit enabled... |
| [20:35:49] | stuartm: | stuartm: it's mostly an issue for dual-tuner cards, for some reason enabling active scanning for one tuner is fine, but active scanning on both is enough to get the driver/hardware into a non-functional state |
| [20:38:43] | jarle: | stuartm: some people seem to be thinking that enabling active eit, means that there will be no passive scanning (while recording), but in my experience passive scanning will always be used when tuned to a channel, no? |
| [20:41:16] | stuartm: | correct |
| [20:41:46] | stuartm: | passive EIT is always used regardless of the active EIT setting |
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| [21:08:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | > |
| [21:08:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can't just pick another random hauppauge and have it work --- I usually have no trouble with the latest git/cvs version of a driver. LIRC can be weird though. |
| [21:09:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | }} you can't just pick another random hauppauge and have it work --- I usually have no trouble with the latest git/cvs version of a driver. LIRC can be weird though. |
| [21:09:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | when I did my first myth build, there were different versions of LIRC for different kernel versions. |
| [21:11:36] | darkfrog: | well, I've got lirc starting now, but irw isn't outputting anything when I use the remote... |
| [21:15:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | you might not be using the right module. |
| [21:15:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | or modules. |
| [21:16:49] | darkfrog: | JEDIDIAH__: according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#C . . . tter_Support "lirc_dev lirc_zilog" is what I should be using... |
| [21:17:16] | darkfrog: | based on what it says there though, I need to compile a custom version of LIRC |
| [21:18:30] | darkfrog: | which I can get the hdpvr aspect of lirc to compile, but I get the following when I try to make lirc: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/309061/ |
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| [21:21:18] | darkfrog: | if I just installed a stock Fedora 14 install, should it support the HD-PVR properly? |
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| [21:22:16] | sphery: | darkfrog: with the right repos, I would guess it will--since the guy doing the work on the LIRC stuff is a Red Hat guy and very involved with mythtv-related repos |
| [21:22:39] | darkfrog: | argh, I guess I can just give it a try... |
| [21:23:24] | sphery: | look for posts from Jarod Wilson on the -users list |
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| [21:23:46] | sphery: | he's spent a lot of time helping people with/reiterating the current state of the lirc support stuff |
| [21:25:07] | darkfrog: | sphery: yeah, Jarod's awesome, but it looks like Mythdora is being ignored lately... |
| [21:25:27] | darkfrog: | two versions of Fedora have come out since the last update |
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| [21:47:22] | high-rez: | Is it possible to play HD-DVDs right from disk? |
| [21:48:00] | darkfrog: | VLC can, but doesn't support menus if I recall |
| [21:48:34] | high-rez: | Yeah, I'm wondering about myth. E.g. with mythavtest like you can with aacs bd's? |
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| [22:01:29] | iamlindoro: | Erm, are you sure you don't mean Blu-ray, darkfrog |
| [22:01:38] | iamlindoro: | VLC does not have ay Hd-DVD support whatsoever that I am aware of |
| [22:01:47] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, no |
| [22:03:31] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Didn't thiunk so, given its dead nature :) |
| [22:04:00] | iamlindoro: | VLC will play an EVO from an unencrypted HD-DVD, but that's it-- it has no parsing code for the folder structure/metadata/etc. |
| [22:04:08] | iamlindoro: | but myth will do that too |
| [22:04:31] | iamlindoro: | because you're just playing an EVO file |
| [22:04:50] | high-rez: | Yeah I was hoping I wouldn't have to pull the EVO's off |
| [22:05:06] | iamlindoro: | you will |
| [22:05:58] | high-rez: | Yeah, gotta compile this very old and crusty software then |
| [22:05:59] | high-rez: | :/ |
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| [22:22:36] | wagnerrp: | i know were supposed to be more courteous during this season... but i really _hate_ when people stay in the intersection on a red light |
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| [22:22:54] | wagnerrp: | i will go out of my way to strand them out there, and get a flow of cars to block their path |
| [22:23:30] | high-rez: | How about the people who block the cross walks ? |
| [22:23:33] | russell5: | lol good they shouldnt try to go through if the cant make it |
| [22:24:06] | high-rez: | 4–5 years ago – on the 24th of december I was crossing the street in a crowded part of downtown seattle. And a guy in a nice new jaguar had blocked the crosswalk. |
| [22:24:37] | high-rez: | As I'm crosshis car going one way, and old couple crossed going the other way – so that we were both behind his car at the same time. |
| [22:25:08] | high-rez: | The old lady was so pissed that he blocked the cross walk that she punched his car as we were going by. |
| [22:25:36] | high-rez: | Naturally, the driver thought /i/ had done something and decided he wanted to fight right then right there. Tis the season ;) |
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| [22:30:41] | kormoc: | I always try to make eye contact with them as I walk around their car |
| [22:30:51] | kormoc: | some people get really uncomfortable |
| [22:31:29] | wondra: | would anybody per chance know what to do if mythweb doesn't work, prints "An unknown module was specified" in the browser and "[error] [client 192.168.0.1] script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/skins, referer: http://192.168.0.1/mythweb/" in the apache log? |
| [22:31:54] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:32:00] | kormoc: | cgi-bin/skins? |
| [22:32:27] | wondra: | yes. looks like a rewriting / current directory class of bug |
| [22:32:52] | kormoc: | ooh, if you know the bug already, just submit a patch |
| [22:33:04] | wondra: | no, I don't know the solution. |
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| [22:39:40] | wondra: | even all the menu links have cgi-bin in them. where should I look? |
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| [22:56:33] | sphery: | I assume Gary's post was an accident. Maybe from his new mobile phone. |
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| [23:00:39] | wondra: | if it helps, I have PHP as a cgi, not Apache module, it runs from cgi-bin |
| [23:01:07] | wondra: | the rest of the install is fairly standard debian/ubuntu |
| [23:01:17] | elmojo: | abqjp: how do you control your DirecTV receivers? |
| [23:01:26] | elmojo: | have you tried the http control yet? |
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| [23:05:17] | abqjp: | I use USB->serial->USB for channel control. I tried http, but it does not work for me. I have a H21 and a H20 receiver. The H21 does have ethernet, but does not seem to be running the necessary service. |
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| [23:06:17] | ** JEDIDIAH__ also uses usb-serial for controlling his dtv recievers. ** | |
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| [23:06:42] | elmojo: | do either of you have a link to hardware needed for that? |
| [23:07:05] | elmojo: | it didin't seem very clear the last time I checked |
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| [23:07:18] | kormoc: | wondra, we don't support php running outside of mod_php |
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| [23:08:02] | elmojo: | I think I'll do the cable control since it's got the longest track record of being reliable |
| [23:08:13] | kormoc: | elmojo, I tried using http on my directtv reciver, it's not active. Called them up and was told it's only available for their dvr boxes |
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| [23:08:51] | elmojo: | ah... makes sense... I'm going to be getting just the HD receiver... thanks for the heads up on that |
| [23:09:10] | abqjp: | Last I knew, the Directv receivers *only* have drivers for the *old* pl2303 chip. It can be hard to find USB/Serial adapter with the old chip. Every Dynex DX-UBDB9 I have tried, has worked perfectly, though. I bought them off ebay. |
| [23:09:31] | elmojo: | does the DirecTV OSD ever come into play... can you config it to not show or reduce the display time so it doesn't show up in the recording? |
| [23:09:51] | kormoc: | elmojo, I never see it |
| [23:10:03] | kormoc: | elmojo, I have two of these http://j.mp/gEYuyC |
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| [23:10:15] | abqjp: | I have never had it be part of the recording, unless I specifically add a "INFO" command to part of the channel change script. |
| [23:10:52] | elmojo: | excellent! |
| [23:11:16] | abqjp: | kormoc: cool. Good to know that you can still get adapters that work. |
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| [23:11:43] | kormoc: | and here's the null modem I use http://j.mp/h7GhW3 |
| [23:11:55] | elmojo: | ah, I was about to ask about that :) |
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| [23:12:43] | wondra: | kormoc: I have it that way so that I can use the threaded Apache version mpm_worker. is there no chance it will work? |
| [23:13:01] | elmojo: | cool, at monoprice too, I gotta order a coax->optical spdif converter because the new HD receiver only have coax |
| [23:13:17] | elmojo: | the DVR has an optical |
| [23:13:26] | kormoc: | wondra, you likely can get it working, but I don't know anyone who has |
| [23:13:42] | kormoc: | wondra, mod_php works fine with threaded apache if it's compiled with the threaded option |
| [23:13:56] | wondra: | debian says it isn't :-( |
| [23:14:15] | kormoc: | I'm using it in production that way |
| [23:14:21] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [23:15:16] | abqjp: | elmojo: I also got my null-modem cable at monoprice. I actually got a cable instead of just an adapter, because I needed some extra length. |
| [23:15:19] | elmojo: | kormoc: so connect TU-S9 -> null modem adapter -> TU-S9? |
| [23:15:36] | abqjp: | elmojo: that works, as long as 4' is long enough for you. |
| [23:15:36] | kormoc: | yup |
| [23:15:54] | elmojo: | kormoc: how long ago did you purchase those? |
| [23:16:06] | elmojo: | wondering if they've might have had time to change chipsets or not |
| [23:16:33] | kormoc: | May 17, 2010 |
| [23:16:48] | elmojo: | cool, amazon will do returns anyways |
| [23:17:14] | abqjp: | And that is a good price with free shipping. |
| [23:17:44] | elmojo: | I guess I'll order 4 in case I decide to add another receiver down the road |
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| [23:18:41] | abqjp: | Another reason to order extra — if they work that way you have spares if they do change the chipset down the road. |
| [23:19:15] | elmojo: | yes, true.... do you all run the latest linux driver for the hd-pvr? |
| [23:19:17] | abqjp: | add a comma in there where appropriate. |
| [23:19:45] | kormoc: | I use whatever came with 2.6.36 |
| [23:19:45] | elmojo: | I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 on my backend machine |
| [23:20:08] | elmojo: | looks like a lot of good fixes have went in within recent memory |
| [23:20:12] | abqjp: | I just use what is in the Fedora 13 kernel. However, I have OLD HD-PVRs. New HD-PVRs report themselves differently, so the driver may need modded to understand the new ID. |
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| [23:20:52] | elmojo: | ok... I should be able to checkout the driver and compile separately... would rather do that than upgrade the distro |
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| [23:27:26] | abqjp: | Before the HD-PVR came out, I used the s-video out of my Directv H20 to drive a PVR-150. it looked MUCH better than the PVR-150 did hooked up via RF to cable. Getting the HD-PVR was a very noticeable upgrade, though. |
| [23:28:05] | elmojo: | good to know... I might try that if I decide to wait for a good deal |
| [23:28:14] | elmojo: | thanks for all the help everyone... gotta go eat |
| [23:28:22] | abqjp: | enjoy |
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| [23:47:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that was an awful lot to send by accident |
| [23:50:16] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [23:50:25] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:50:29] | sphery: | seems it cut it off after 13 of 24 messages |
| [23:50:39] | sphery: | which is part of why I thought maybe a phone accident |
| [23:51:10] | sphery: | heh, the 2nd one is completely blank... maybe he's just having problems figuring it out? |
| [23:55:02] | wagnerrp: | turns out the find_orphans is broken on 0.24 |
| [23:55:08] | sphery: | I'm thinking Dollhouse episode "Epitaph Two: Return" would be better if I had seen (the unaired) "Epitaph" |
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| [23:55:32] | sphery: | didn't Nick say it worked on Mythbuntu's 0.24-fixes after the update? |
| [23:55:34] | wagnerrp: | i reworked the searchDatabase utility, and changed the name of the internal function pointers |
| [23:56:11] | wagnerrp: | so when find_orphans overwrites that to return its own class with the pprint method, it overwrites the wrong variable for 0.24 |
| [23:56:19] | kormoc: | sphery, That's why Epitaph never airs! |
| [23:56:34] | kormoc: | sphery, Epitaph two is sitting here waiting for part one to show... |
| [23:56:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:56:59] | sphery: | Don't know if that's their plan to get us to go out and buy the DVD set |
| [23:57:05] | wagnerrp: | unaired? |
| [23:57:10] | sphery: | it has Felicia Day, though, so... |
| [23:57:16] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:57:16] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [23:57:23] | wagnerrp: | i thought they scattered, and everyone just grouped together to save the day 10 years later |
| [23:58:04] | kormoc: | such a great show... so much promise... mellie... |
| [23:58:34] | wagnerrp: | so there was actually an interim show that was supposed to make that all make sense? |
| [23:58:44] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:59:00] | sphery: | as typical fox decided not to air it |
| [23:59:30] | kormoc: | What is wrong with Fox? Are they really just retarded? |
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