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| [00:06:29] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners? |
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| [00:10:22] | justdave: | one is digital and two are analog |
| [00:10:28] | justdave: | the digital one is the one that's recording currently |
| [00:10:50] | justdave: | the two analog ones are on the same physical card, but they show up as two devices in the setup |
| [00:11:49] | justdave: | I keep randomly getting this "error opening jump file" when trying to change channels, too |
| [00:11:58] | justdave: | immediately going back in works usually |
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| [00:36:28] | elmojo: | Beirdo: do you know of any Bluray players that can handle HDTV playback via DLNA without transcoding? |
| [00:36:39] | elmojo: | I asked earlier but figured you may have missed this |
| [00:49:37] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, not sure, my first BluRay player arrived today :) |
| [00:49:46] | Beirdo: | the WD Live Plus does it though |
| [00:49:57] | Beirdo: | little UPnP box |
| [00:50:39] | Beirdo: | have that in my bedroom, it works fine with every myth recording I've thrown at it, from SD MPEG2 to HD MPEG2 and HD H.264 |
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| [00:51:20] | Beirdo: | outputs in lovely 1080p to my 22" TV there |
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| [01:07:24] | justdave: | ok, so my "error opening jump program file" appears to coincide with the backend getting this error: |
| [01:07:28] | justdave: | 2010-12–21 20:06:10.635 Channel(/dev/video2) Error: InitPictureAttribute( hue): failed to query controls. eno: Bad file descriptor (9) |
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| [01:09:17] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: really without transcoding? thats pretty good. Have you tried to use mythtv on the 22inch? |
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| [01:11:14] | elmojo: | Beirdo: which Bluray did you get? |
| [01:12:52] | justdave: | heh, only mention I can find on Google of that hue error is in the irc logs for this channel from 2006, and that guy left without solving it |
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| [01:21:18] | iamlindoro: | I need to express this-- OpenOffice is an unreal piece of garbage |
| [01:21:38] | iamlindoro: | Am trying to get a simple line chart-- I have a column full of numbers |
| [01:22:00] | iamlindoro: | I fill the "max value" box with the the following: 200 |
| [01:22:15] | iamlindoro: | and it pops up a box saying "Value must be a number" |
| [01:24:21] | iamlindoro: | This is why open source will never, ever dominate anything, ever |
| [01:27:18] | xtort-: | Anyone have a quick hint as to what settings to use for SAP? My stuff is recording in spanish... |
| [01:28:54] | wagnerrp: | digital or analog? |
| [01:29:21] | xtort-: | digital |
| [01:29:28] | xtort-: | DVB capture card |
| [01:29:30] | wagnerrp: | digital, youre recording both audio streams |
| [01:29:34] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: yeah i have heard some bad things about open office |
| [01:29:37] | Shadow__X: | it needs work |
| [01:29:58] | xtort-: | ahhh, ok, so I just need to tell whatever I'm playing back with to use the right steam? |
| [01:30:00] | wagnerrp: | youre just copying the streams straight to disk |
| [01:30:08] | xtort-: | gotcha, thanks, that makes sense |
| [01:30:12] | xtort-: | I didn't think about it like that |
| [01:30:33] | iamlindoro: | It needs a furnace |
| [01:31:25] | Shadow__X: | i am sure oracle buying it didn't help progress |
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| [01:35:16] | jya: | iamlindoro: the graphic charts module in open office is terrible. I stopped using OO for spreadsheet, use excel... |
| [01:35:32] | jya: | 3D plots are even more broken |
| [01:35:47] | iamlindoro: | jya, Finally managed to get it to do something by going through *each cell* and hitting enter to get it to reprocess the data or whatever |
| [01:35:53] | iamlindoro: | painful |
| [01:35:59] | iamlindoro: | hundreds of them |
| [01:36:53] | jya: | I just gave up with OO and excel. I only ever use it to copy/paste cells ; something I can't do with excel. Like I copy some columns of a PDF or a web site, paste in OO, save as .xls then open it in excel |
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| [01:37:34] | jya: | some of the TVM functions are also broken in OO, even in the last ones. I submitted several bugs , no-one seems to care |
| [01:38:19] | iamlindoro: | The sad part is that I don't recall it getting any better in *years* |
| [01:38:30] | iamlindoro: | it was this broken the last time I needed to use it, and that was forever ago |
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| [01:41:12] | ** justdave wonders if LibreOffice will be any better, now that they're liberated from both Sun and Oracle ** | |
| [01:41:28] | justdave: | who both kept a pretty tight reign on commits |
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| [02:59:34] | elmojo: | jpabq: did you ever figure out how to reset the keybindings?... that would be handy to know |
| [03:00:11] | hilikus: | im looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/stream_mythtv_reco . . . _flash_video and it says that this functionality is embedded in mythweb but i can't get it to work. WMP opens, i authenticate but nothing happens. is there an updated guide? |
| [03:00:39] | hilikus: | i would like to trigger transcoding with it since this is over internet as well |
| [03:00:41] | Sp0tter: | after doing a full channel scan, 65% or so don't actually work, but to find that out i navigate to them .. then it no longer lets me navigate away from the bad chan, an di have to close it, start setup and change the default start chan... is there a faster way to do the process of weeding out the bad chans? |
| [03:02:11] | elmojo: | Sp0tter: are you filtering out the encrypted channels? |
| [03:02:57] | Sp0tter: | yes |
| [03:03:34] | Sp0tter: | i have that option checked |
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| [03:04:01] | Sp0tter: | i'm getting the free channels from cable (i dont acutally have cable anymore, but they broadcast the local and a few other ones open) |
| [03:04:05] | elmojo: | what version are you using? |
| [03:04:06] | Sp0tter: | so i do the scan on cable-high |
| [03:04:20] | Sp0tter: | community/mythtv 0.24–1 [installed] |
| [03:05:57] | elmojo: | it's odd that you can not change the channel when you are trying to tune a "bad" channel.... not sure what the problem could be |
| [03:06:24] | Sp0tter: | i'll try it again and see if i get output to the console |
| [03:06:28] | Sp0tter: | after this update is done, thanks |
| [03:07:16] | Sp0tter: | i thought by selectong unencrypted channels only, it would only pick the good ones |
| [03:07:20] | Sp0tter: | that would rock my world |
| [03:08:06] | Sp0tter: | but most are bad, and only 1 out of all o fhtem was auto picked up by schedule direct |
| [03:08:09] | Sp0tter: | :) |
| [03:08:17] | iamlindoro: | The channel doesn't exist anymore, that's what the problem is |
| [03:08:18] | elmojo: | it should... you can go to silicondust's website and they may have the correct "in the clear" channels for your provider |
| [03:08:29] | iamlindoro: | ie, he's scanning clearQAM channels, and getting a bunch of in-the-clear VOD channels |
| [03:08:42] | iamlindoro: | When the VOD session ends, the channel disappears |
| [03:09:21] | iamlindoro: | Thus, when dealing with ClearQAM under these conditions, you need to manually remove those channels by test-and-remove |
| [03:10:12] | Sp0tter: | yea it would go fast if it could all be done with just a button on the bad channel |
| [03:10:20] | Sp0tter: | i'm using mythweb to delete the chan, but the i have taht setup issue |
| [03:10:23] | elmojo: | go here -> http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ and enter your zipcode |
| [03:10:27] | Sp0tter: | where i have to reset the default chan to escape the last bad one |
| [03:10:37] | Sp0tter: | elmojo: i think i'd miss something if i did it that way |
| [03:10:43] | Sp0tter: | for instance i get some obscure discovery channel |
| [03:11:14] | elmojo: | it "should" provide everything that is tunable |
| [03:11:46] | Sp0tter: | can mythsetup read taht list directly? |
| [03:12:02] | iamlindoro: | no. We don't have a right to, it's not our data. |
| [03:12:15] | elmojo: | no... if it doesn't have a callsign you should probably delete too |
| [03:12:35] | Sp0tter: | it dosen'tbelong to microsoft either |
| [03:12:39] | elmojo: | most cable networks at least give you the channel name |
| [03:12:40] | Sp0tter: | but their clipboard doesn't mind copying it |
| [03:12:51] | iamlindoro: | So copy it, and use it to correct your channels |
| [03:12:59] | Sp0tter: | brilliant |
| [03:13:01] | hilikus: | is there an updated guide to flash stream recordings over the internet? |
| [03:13:19] | iamlindoro: | *We* cannot leech off their service as a project, *you* can use it as an individual |
| [03:13:30] | kormoc: | 1. Turn on feature in mythweb. 2. browse to recording. 3. Press play. 4. watch |
| [03:13:34] | iamlindoro: | hilikus, If you're using Windows Media Player, it's by definition not flash streaming |
| [03:13:56] | Sp0tter: | hehe *we* |
| [03:14:06] | iamlindoro: | Sp0tter, What's funny about that? |
| [03:14:09] | hilikus: | mmm true. i can use whatever works, WMP or flash |
| [03:14:13] | iamlindoro: | I can't say "we" as a Myth dev? |
| [03:14:16] | Sp0tter: | iamlindoro: you, you are funny |
| [03:14:22] | ** kormoc blinks at Sp0tter ** | |
| [03:14:30] | Sp0tter: | ah, they are waking up! |
| [03:14:33] | ** Sp0tter runs ** | |
| [03:14:42] | hilikus: | kormoc: how do i turn it on in mythweb?? |
| [03:14:44] | kormoc: | I'm more scary then iamlindoro? |
| [03:14:52] | Sp0tter: | kormoc: definately |
| [03:14:53] | kormoc: | hilikus, it's in myhtweb's settings panels |
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| [03:15:22] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I setup a W7 MC for a friend and the ClearQAM scanning impressed me... found all the right channels, added guide data... no user intervention needed |
| [03:15:35] | elmojo: | wonder what service they use for that |
| [03:15:40] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Suspect there's a behind the scenes... yeah |
| [03:15:52] | iamlindoro: | Given their reach, I suspect it's just data reporting and aggregation |
| [03:16:15] | elmojo: | yep, it did have bugs though... was very surprised at them too |
| [03:16:23] | iamlindoro: | If we had every channel scan phone home I imagine we could get some slick stuff going |
| [03:16:35] | [R]: | ET phone home |
| [03:17:00] | elmojo: | people act like the grass is greener on the other side with respect to MythTV, sometimes... everytime I try something new I always realize how good we have it |
| [03:17:14] | Sp0tter: | the mythtv group should get in touch with Google STreet Cars |
| [03:17:21] | Sp0tter: | and have them do scans |
| [03:17:27] | Sp0tter: | :) |
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| [03:24:44] | ** kormoc ponders who the scariest mythtv dev is these days ** | |
| [03:25:18] | [R]: | def wagnerrp |
| [03:25:19] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:25:32] | iamlindoro: | I definitely have the highest ban rate |
| [03:25:33] | hilikus: | kormoc: that was easy, thanks |
| [03:25:40] | iamlindoro: | kick/ban |
| [03:26:11] | ** kormoc tips his hat towards hilikus ** | |
| [03:26:17] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o wagnerrp | |
| [03:26:24] | iamlindoro: | oh here we go |
| [03:26:28] | ** wagnerrp eyes [R] ** | |
| [03:26:46] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:26:53] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o wagnerrp | |
| [03:27:09] | ** wagnerrp had to go look up on google how to do that ** | |
| [03:27:17] | [R]: | haha |
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| [03:27:53] | hilikus: | i see two parameters i can change. the stream width and the bitrate. what is the point if changing the width if even when small you can tell the player to go full screen?? |
| [03:28:30] | wagnerrp: | because it looks like garbage if you scale 160x120 video to full screen? |
| [03:28:34] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:28:59] | kormoc: | hilikus, it auto-sets the correct height based on the width, so yes, it makes the video look better (and use more bandwidth) |
| [03:29:49] | jya: | iamlindoro: how long does it take for mythavtest with bd://dev/cdrom to actually start playing ? |
| [03:29:50] | hilikus: | what if you have higher bitrate? that's my question, when in full screen i looks bad, so you can either increase the size so that the stretch is less in proportion or increase the bitrate |
| [03:30:03] | iamlindoro: | jya, A few seconds |
| [03:30:11] | jya: | for some reasons, it doesn't immediately fail for me, and it's bee a good minute now |
| [03:30:21] | iamlindoro: | A minute sounds like far too long |
| [03:30:21] | jya: | with "please wait..." |
| [03:30:36] | kormoc: | hilikus, no matter the bitrate, if it's too small it won't look good full screen. So we allow you to tweak both settings |
| [03:30:40] | iamlindoro: | it should be a matter of seconds-- normal startup time + 4–5 seconds |
| [03:30:46] | [R]: | hilikus: both should be the highest |
| [03:30:55] | jya: | 4–5s? that put my panasonic to shame ! |
| [03:30:56] | [R]: | hilikus: that way its the best quality |
| [03:31:02] | kormoc: | [R], only if you want it never to play |
| [03:31:05] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:31:36] | jya: | takes a goot minute and a half between touching the play button and getting something. |
| [03:31:43] | iamlindoro: | jya, Yes, Myth starts playback of my discs about 10x faster than my blu-ray player |
| [03:31:43] | hilikus: | im not sure what my uplink bw is, i think its around 1mbps |
| [03:32:07] | jya: | hum... it's the same as before, TP header copy permission indicator != 0, unit is still encrypted? (0x2979500) |
| [03:32:08] | kormoc: | hilikus, you won't be able to bump it up much more then it is by default then |
| [03:32:29] | jya: | just that when I add: BD_DEBUG_MASK=8 , then I get no error message whatsoever |
| [03:32:31] | hilikus: | kormoc: oh ok |
| [03:32:40] | jya: | it's less verbose than without BD_DEBUG_MASK=8 :) |
| [03:32:59] | iamlindoro: | That's backwards |
| [03:33:07] | kormoc: | hilikus, I believe we're using 512 kilobits per second, or about half your upload right now |
| [03:33:32] | iamlindoro: | jya, and you have *libaacs* installed, not just aacskey, right? |
| [03:33:53] | iamlindoro: | ie, you git cloned libaacs from videolan and built it? |
| [03:34:23] | jya: | is that different to libaacskeys ? |
| [03:34:43] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [03:34:55] | jya: | ah ... well. that could explain things :) |
| [03:34:59] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [03:35:06] | iamlindoro: | can't decrypt with no decryption library |
| [03:35:20] | jya: | I thought that libaacskeys was libaacs |
| [03:35:22] | iamlindoro: | jya, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Playing_Hi . . . ion_Material |
| [03:35:24] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [03:35:27] | iamlindoro: | different code |
| [03:35:30] | iamlindoro: | (entirely) |
| [03:35:32] | jya: | oh, I read that page about 20 times ! |
| [03:35:45] | jya: | obviously not enough ! |
| [03:36:08] | iamlindoro: | jya, http://git.videolan.org/?p=libaacs.git;a=summary |
| [03:36:23] | jya: | I actually compiled and clone that one |
| [03:36:28] | hilikus: | kormoc: for the size, is it easier for ffmpeg (performance-wise) if it is a whole fraction of the original size or it doesn't matter? |
| [03:36:29] | jya: | just didn't install it |
| [03:36:32] | jya: | well I did |
| [03:36:38] | jya: | then thought I id something wrong |
| [03:36:47] | jya: | so wiped out everything and put libaacskeys |
| [03:37:02] | iamlindoro: | aacskeys is just an app to get you the VUK and VID |
| [03:37:08] | iamlindoro: | you don't need to install their lib at all |
| [03:37:20] | iamlindoro: | libaacs is the AACS equivalent of libdvdcss2 |
| [03:37:35] | kormoc: | hilikus, as long as it's a mod of 8, it doesn't matter |
| [03:38:01] | jya: | iamlindoro: I see, got confused by the name.. |
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| [03:38:21] | jya: | I thought that this libaacskeys.so was a pre-compiled version you had gladly included in the archive |
| [03:39:29] | iamlindoro: | jya, libmythbluray dlopens libaacs when present, and libaacs opens the keydb.cfg file passed to it |
| [03:39:41] | iamlindoro: | so you were just missing the intermediary |
| [03:40:48] | jya: | how do I compile that thing ? autoconf and automake keep throwing errors |
| [03:41:54] | iamlindoro: | ./bootstrap |
| [03:42:13] | iamlindoro: | you will likely need to track down the deps |
| [03:42:18] | jya: | ah .. |
| [03:42:48] | jya: | all done |
| [03:43:46] | jya: | it works !!! |
| [03:43:48] | jya: | awesome |
| [03:43:59] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [03:44:05] | iamlindoro: | faster than your player, right? :) |
| [03:44:11] | jya: | indeed |
| [03:44:22] | jya: | though to make up for the few days I've tried :) |
| [03:44:59] | jya: | forgot on good planet earth look like |
| [03:45:23] | jya: | that disk is an ode to what High-Def really means |
| [03:45:36] | iamlindoro: | yes, it's definitely my favorite show-off disc |
| [03:45:51] | iamlindoro: | The Dark Knight is close, too |
| [03:46:22] | jya: | I wanted to test 3:10 to Yuma |
| [03:46:28] | jya: | only disk I have with a 7.1 soundtrack |
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| [03:47:04] | jya: | I spent a fortune upgrading my home cinema to support 7.1 ; only to find out that in the 50+ BD I have, only one has a 7.1 soundtrack |
| [03:47:13] | iamlindoro: | I think I might have one or two |
| [03:47:18] | iamlindoro: | but some low number |
| [03:47:53] | iamlindoro: | jya, http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php?O . . . mp;Audio=7.1 is a super useful site |
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| [03:52:37] | jya: | any site showing if a BD is BD+ or not ? |
| [03:52:52] | jya: | is that all there is in 7.1 ?? |
| [03:53:08] | jya: | very sad |
| [03:53:21] | iamlindoro: | Don't know about the first, and I think yes to the second |
| [03:54:02] | jya: | ah no it's 1–50 out of 194 |
| [03:54:39] | jya: | amazing, 99.48% of the disk returned in that query have 7.1 channels :) |
| [03:57:17] | Sp0tter: | do you have to run a localbackend on frontend machines? |
| [03:57:20] | jya: | you really wonder what the bluray player do to be so slow at playing a disk |
| [03:57:29] | jya: | Sp0tter: no |
| [03:57:53] | Sp0tter: | i'm getting timezone missmatch on frontend and backend(other comptuer), but they are both the same timezon setup |
| [03:58:39] | iamlindoro: | They may both be the same offset, but they are not the same timezone |
| [03:58:49] | iamlindoro: | timezone includes the string, not just the offset |
| [04:00:40] | Sp0tter: | well they are both set the same in my linux config |
| [04:00:47] | Sp0tter: | and set to auto in mythtv-setup |
| [04:01:17] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup isn't a timezone setting |
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| [04:01:25] | iamlindoro: | this refers only to system timezone |
| [04:01:40] | iamlindoro: | if you are getting a mismatch, then the system clocks differ by too much, or the timezone strings are not identical |
| [04:02:14] | Sp0tter: | hwclock or date time? |
| [04:02:24] | iamlindoro: | date |
| [04:02:26] | [R]: | i thought the log said what the problem was... |
| [04:02:32] | iamlindoro: | it does |
| [04:02:45] | jya: | 3:10 TO YUMA plays ... 7.1 awesome. . starts instantly too |
| [04:02:48] | jpabq: | elmojo, I think so.... I actually have not tried using either frontend since I did it, but I don't think this broke anything: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/rwhytuPQ |
| [04:02:52] | iamlindoro: | jya, nice |
| [04:03:25] | jya: | is there any kind of menu support? |
| [04:03:32] | iamlindoro: | nothing usable at present |
| [04:03:43] | iamlindoro: | I'm working on it |
| [04:04:34] | jya: | though, I don't mind that way... When I put the dsik in the BD player, usually there are plenty of crap I can't skip |
| [04:04:40] | hilikus: | kormoc: what about the bitrate? also mod 8? or a power of 2? |
| [04:05:17] | kormoc: | that's entirely up to you afaik |
| [04:05:53] | hilikus: | but in terms of making it easier for ffmpeg...? |
| [04:06:08] | iamlindoro: | jya, And in menu mode you'll also see those things in myth-- but the startup is still the same speed, at least |
| [04:07:04] | iamlindoro: | HDMV menus will hopefully be ready in time for .25, BD-J menus will just need to wait on libbdj to mature |
| [04:07:17] | iamlindoro: | but HDMV menu is still a sizable hunk of discs |
| [04:08:18] | jya: | going to try Spiderman 3. |
| [04:08:25] | jya: | it's the worse with my BD drive |
| [04:08:32] | jya: | about 1 minute 20s to start |
| [04:08:38] | iamlindoro: | Might be too new, but might work, might be on the cusp |
| [04:09:10] | jya: | it's one of the first BD I bought |
| [04:09:11] | iamlindoro: | oh, 2007-- should hopefully work |
| [04:09:14] | jya: | so hopefully.. |
| [04:09:25] | iamlindoro: | yeah, 2007 ought to be okay |
| [04:09:48] | iamlindoro: | I have The Dark Knight working and that's 12/2008 |
| [04:10:29] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... but it *is* sony... may end up being BD+ |
| [04:10:32] | iamlindoro: | worth a shot |
| [04:10:33] | jya: | I bought them all about 2 years ago |
| [04:10:36] | hilikus: | thanks a lot kormoc |
| [04:10:41] | hilikus: | gnight guys |
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| [04:11:06] | jya: | I found that site showing what zone they were working |
| [04:11:06] | jya: | went to amazon, and bought like the top 50 of their BD that didn't have zone limitation |
| [04:11:16] | iamlindoro: | -v playback,extra will give you the encryption info if something funky happens |
| [04:11:28] | jya: | aacskeys can read it |
| [04:11:38] | iamlindoro: | AACS exists higher than BD+ |
| [04:11:42] | iamlindoro: | but a good sign anyway |
| [04:12:09] | iamlindoro: | ie, all discs have AACS, which you then decrypt, and may be left with BD+ to deal with |
| [04:12:24] | jya: | I don't think they could have made KEYDB.CFG any harder to set, even if they had tried |
| [04:12:43] | iamlindoro: | jya, try not setting the VID/VUK |
| [04:13:00] | iamlindoro: | Some people have reported that it is unnecessary for them |
| [04:13:09] | iamlindoro: | and that the HC and PKs are enough |
| [04:13:22] | jya: | I only have Disk ID = titile | V | Volume key |
| [04:13:36] | iamlindoro: | well, from what you sent me, you have PKs and the HC too |
| [04:13:39] | iamlindoro: | Hoste cert |
| [04:13:40] | jya: | still, having to add 0x at the front |
| [04:13:41] | iamlindoro: | and processing keys |
| [04:13:50] | jya: | but those aren't changing ever aren't they? |
| [04:13:51] | iamlindoro: | libaacs *can't* work without those |
| [04:14:07] | iamlindoro: | host cert won't change, when and if new processing keys become available you'll need to add those |
| [04:14:26] | iamlindoro: | Processing Keys are the most important part |
| [04:14:30] | iamlindoro: | we have through v10 |
| [04:14:34] | iamlindoro: | v19 exists |
| [04:14:43] | jya: | I've watched 4 disks so far. only had to play with the two keys |
| [04:14:50] | iamlindoro: | meaning every disc with an MKB v 11–19 is undecryptable with libaacs until someone figured out a new PK |
| [04:15:00] | jya: | is that the only thing missing for BD+ to work? the keys? |
| [04:15:02] | iamlindoro: | jya, yes, you leave the PKs alone on an everyday basis |
| [04:15:16] | iamlindoro: | but when new ones are uncovered, you will want to add them |
| [04:15:25] | iamlindoro: | as it will add support for discs manufactured with MKB v 11+ |
| [04:15:35] | iamlindoro: | v10 only covers very early 2009 and older |
| [04:15:40] | iamlindoro: | v19 exists right now |
| [04:15:53] | jya: | ohhh. Spiderman 3 .. |
| [04:15:56] | iamlindoro: | a BD+ decryption library is what's needed |
| [04:16:21] | iamlindoro: | does that mean SM3 played? |
| [04:16:23] | jya: | 13s start |
| [04:16:34] | iamlindoro: | jya, did you try it without adding the VUK/VID? |
| [04:16:46] | iamlindoro: | please? |
| [04:16:54] | jya: | i don't follow you |
| [04:17:03] | iamlindoro: | sdfjdas |
| [04:17:11] | iamlindoro: | you just edited the KEYDB file |
| [04:17:17] | jya: | I only added 0x8199BE295B2E772DD08A3946B513001442DEA7B3 = Spider Man 3 | V | 0x4D6F24FAE92BE\ |
| [04:17:18] | jya: | 01F777F39A653ADE5A6 |
| [04:17:19] | iamlindoro: | I asked you to please try *without* doing that |
| [04:17:24] | jya: | ahhh |
| [04:17:25] | iamlindoro: | yes, that's the VID and VUK |
| [04:17:31] | jya: | let me remove it then |
| [04:17:36] | iamlindoro: | Volume ID |
| [04:17:40] | iamlindoro: | Volume Unique Key |
| [04:17:44] | iamlindoro: | VID/VUK |
| [04:18:02] | jya: | Error calculating VUK! ailed to initialize AACS! (0x22d02b0) |
| [04:18:06] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [04:18:08] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [04:18:11] | iamlindoro: | That's what I see too |
| [04:18:30] | jya: | with tons of keys line before that |
| [04:18:31] | iamlindoro: | theoretically there should be no reason whatsoever for one to add VID and VUK |
| [04:18:44] | iamlindoro: | because they can be calculated with the PKs |
| [04:18:50] | iamlindoro: | but libaacs just hasn't gotten there yet |
| [04:18:53] | iamlindoro: | thanks for testing |
| [04:19:02] | jya: | wonder why they don't combine the aacskeys and libaacs together |
| [04:19:09] | iamlindoro: | aacskeys is dead |
| [04:19:11] | jya: | surely there's no technical restriction for that |
| [04:19:13] | iamlindoro: | hasn't been touched in years |
| [04:19:22] | jya: | sure, but it let me watch me movie :) |
| [04:19:25] | iamlindoro: | libaacs is built from the code that came out of aacskeys |
| [04:19:34] | jya: | ah ok |
| [04:19:43] | iamlindoro: | aacskeys was more of a proof of concept, libaacs is sort of the result |
| [04:19:47] | jya: | do you want the full log output ? |
| [04:19:49] | iamlindoro: | it's just not quite 100% yet |
| [04:19:52] | iamlindoro: | nah |
| [04:20:00] | iamlindoro: | it's the same as I would see |
| [04:20:25] | jya: | if it's based on the same code, why can't they extract the key then? |
| [04:20:37] | iamlindoro: | guess they just haven't gotten around to it |
| [04:20:49] | iamlindoro: | it'll get there |
| [04:20:49] | high-rez: | Man, trunk is shaping up to be something special... Bluray playback from disk with passthrough? :D |
| [04:21:01] | iamlindoro: | blu-ray playback from disc is the same as in .24 |
| [04:21:28] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Ahh, my mistake. |
| [04:21:31] | jya: | my amp is even showing DOLBY TrueHD :) |
| [04:22:03] | high-rez: | Mine showed that earlier when I played back that TrueHD demo from dolby :D |
| [04:22:30] | jya: | and the screen was switched to 1080p/24 |
| [04:22:43] | jya: | so just as good as what the dedicate bluray player would do |
| [04:23:06] | high-rez: | 1080p/24 – that's just 24 fps video – but the display is still at whatever refresh rate X started at no ? |
| [04:23:16] | jya: | nope |
| [04:23:34] | jya: | myth can set the refresh rate of the screen to whatever the video framerate is |
| [04:23:41] | high-rez: | Insane |
| [04:24:06] | jya: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:JudderFree |
| [04:24:59] | jya: | for most, it's just a matter of setting "any" |
| [04:25:04] | jya: | in the refresh rate |
| [04:25:06] | iamlindoro: | heh, jya, I think the failure to calculate the key is just a stupid typo. Testing something |
| [04:25:37] | high-rez: | Hmm, I wonder if my displauy can do 24fps |
| [04:25:58] | jya: | how old is your tv? |
| [04:26:08] | high-rez: | 2 years ? |
| [04:26:13] | jya: | should do then |
| [04:26:48] | jya: | if you go to the setting screen |
| [04:27:00] | jya: | browse through the rate combo box |
| [04:27:13] | high-rez: | Looks like it is.. Toshiba 46RV530U |
| [04:27:23] | jya: | see the rate it supports |
| [04:27:35] | jya: | if you haven't tweaked your xorg.conf |
| [04:27:41] | jya: | you also show in the log |
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| [04:59:30] | [R]: | wagnerrp: you there? |
| [05:01:24] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [05:02:54] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i saw a commit a few days back about livetv and the python bindings |
| [05:03:00] | [R]: | is that why my find orphans is finding livetv? |
| [05:04:16] | wagnerrp: | i had some code in there that was intended to filter out any livetv from that call by default |
| [05:04:28] | wagnerrp: | but it wasnt working properly |
| [05:04:38] | wagnerrp: | so if i tried to let it enable livetv to get passed, it would error |
| [05:04:56] | wagnerrp: | but find_orphans wasnt initially allowing livetv sessions |
| [05:05:14] | wagnerrp: | so all files from such were unknown, and marked as an orphaned recording |
| [05:05:19] | [R]: | ah |
| [05:08:28] | jya: | wagnerrp: I was thinking yesterday about the python bindings, that would actually allow to write myth plugins in pythons |
| [05:10:16] | wagnerrp: | someone claimed to be working on such back in 2008 |
| [05:10:21] | wagnerrp: | nothing ever came of it |
| [05:11:03] | wagnerrp: | basically, it would rewrite a python interpreter be implemented in the frontend |
| [05:11:14] | jya: | could add basic support for video / audio decoding and playback |
| [05:11:47] | high-rez: | jya: Oddness. When I do the separate refresh rate thing – when I'm doing playback – I get the mouse pointer on the screen and it won't go away :( |
| [05:12:13] | jya: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Judder . . . er_the_video |
| [05:12:35] | high-rez: | christ i'm retarded |
| [05:14:17] | high-rez: | Yeah that was it. |
| [05:14:17] | wagnerrp: | jya: its something ive considered, but i it would be a larger project than the bindings rewrite themselves |
| [05:14:37] | wagnerrp: | i at least would want to spend a lot more time learning the mythtv internals before attempting it |
| [05:14:42] | jya: | there's no way to generate a .so from a python exe? |
| [05:15:04] | jya: | or similar something ? |
| [05:15:30] | wagnerrp: | and have each plugin run its own interpreter? |
| [05:15:36] | jya: | yes.. |
| [05:15:40] | jya: | leave that to the plugin |
| [05:16:12] | wagnerrp: | dont know if it could be set up that way |
| [05:16:31] | wagnerrp: | but it would give a way around the GIL |
| [05:16:55] | wagnerrp: | would no longer have to worry about one plugin tying up the rest of the program |
| [05:17:08] | wagnerrp: | i would probably want to read through XBMC to see how they do it |
| [05:22:50] | Crys_: | Good morning everybody. It looks like you are discussing Python matters. Perhaps I can be of assistance. |
| [05:23:10] | [R]: | huh |
| [05:23:19] | [R]: | jya: i can get my ion to do interlaced with those instructions |
| [05:23:39] | Crys_: | I know the internals of Python very well — I work with Python all day and I'm a retired Python core dev, too. |
| [05:23:41] | [R]: | jya: do you think my tvs deinterlacer would be better than my ions? |
| [05:25:00] | high-rez: | Huh. What indication should I have it's actually doing 24fps? |
| [05:25:50] | wagnerrp: | Crys_: more just a bit of speculation |
| [05:26:01] | high-rez: | I see a bit of this: Trying 1920x1080 0.000 Hz – i'm guessing that's not correct |
| [05:26:13] | Crys_: | wagnerrp / jya: You have two options here. Either you have to run each plugin in a new process or you can use subinterpreters of you need to isolate them. |
| [05:27:42] | Crys_: | All subinterpreters of a process still share a single GIL but the GIL isn't an issue unless you do a lot of CPU intensive stuff inside Python byte code. |
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| [05:31:44] | wagnerrp: | i was more concerned about the GIL allowing one plugin to seriously distrupt the others |
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| [05:35:16] | Crys_: | The GIL is released for every CPU intensive or IO blocking call that doesn't depend on Python CAPI calls. |
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| [05:37:44] | Crys_: | Every piece of code can cause issues, Python's GIL doesn't add up that much. |
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| [05:38:26] | Crys_: | If you are worried about code like "while 1: pass" you have to use processes and limit the resources of each plugin process anyway. |
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| [05:43:42] | high-rez: | wow. friggin awesome – it /is/ setting 24fps |
| [05:43:51] | high-rez: | or 23.976 :) |
| [05:44:25] | iamlindoro: | jya, |
| [05:44:26] | iamlindoro: | HA |
| [05:44:33] | [R]: | high-rez: how are you checking? |
| [05:45:03] | iamlindoro: | jya, in libaacs/src/libaacs/mmc.c, find: |
| [05:45:04] | iamlindoro: | if (strcmp(mount_entry->mnt_dir, file_path) == 0) { |
| [05:45:11] | high-rez: | R: xrandr |
| [05:45:20] | iamlindoro: | jya, comment out that line, and the bracket that closes it |
| [05:45:24] | high-rez: | R: 1920x1080 50.0 51.0 52.0 53.0* 54.0 |
| [05:45:25] | iamlindoro: | but leave the inside |
| [05:45:30] | iamlindoro: | then remove the VUK and try |
| [05:45:31] | high-rez: | Where apparently 53 is 23.976 |
| [05:45:33] | [R]: | high-rez: the x log is more clear... |
| [05:45:39] | [R]: | high-rez: but i thought you meant your tv was tgelling you |
| [05:46:14] | jya: | iamlindoro: will do right away |
| [05:46:16] | high-rez: | Oh right no, I didn't even realize that it was loggin in Xorg.0.log ;) |
| [05:46:26] | iamlindoro: | jya, Works here |
| [05:46:39] | iamlindoro: | jya, will simplify your life since it means no more doing a chore for each disc |
| [05:46:58] | iamlindoro: | Just need to figure out why that comparison fails |
| [05:47:22] | high-rez: | Ok, so wow. Pretty amazing. |
| [05:47:33] | [R]: | high-rez: but can you tell a differnece? |
| [05:47:43] | high-rez: | Not at all, not one bit. |
| [05:47:46] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:47:53] | high-rez: | But I feel really warm inside knowing that it's all working right |
| [05:48:19] | high-rez: | I'm sure my receiver is converting it into something else and mucking with it in a bad way anyways. |
| [05:48:30] | iamlindoro: | jya, |
| [05:48:31] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [05:48:32] | jya: | iamlindoro: do you want me to remove the whole code |
| [05:48:32] | high-rez: | There's no way to disable the faroudja video processing on my receiver. |
| [05:48:35] | iamlindoro: | I see what the issue it |
| [05:48:37] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [05:48:40] | jya: | or just make that line true alwaay? |
| [05:48:41] | iamlindoro: | don't uncomment anything |
| [05:48:44] | iamlindoro: | nah |
| [05:48:46] | iamlindoro: | just do this |
| [05:48:47] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [05:48:53] | iamlindoro: | mythavtest bd:/media/cdrom0 |
| [05:48:55] | iamlindoro: | note the 0 |
| [05:49:10] | iamlindoro: | this is ubuntu tricks |
| [05:49:11] | Shadow__X: | i tried raising the dpi of my monitor to increse the font size in my fe but that didnt work out is there any other ways to increase the font size on a fe |
| [05:49:29] | Shadow__X: | i only have a 20inch running at 1680x1050 right now :( |
| [05:49:36] | [R]: | Shadow__X: many myth docs claim the dpi should be 100x100 |
| [05:49:41] | jya: | cdrom0 or cdrom same deal without the key |
| [05:49:44] | iamlindoro: | the string comparison fails because ubuntu is mounting it to another spot and symlinking, so what appears in /proc/mounts is not what we're trying to play from |
| [05:49:48] | [R]: | Shadow__X: but if you dont like the fonts, use a differnet theme |
| [05:49:50] | jya: | they seem to point to the exact same location |
| [05:49:56] | iamlindoro: | jya, can you pastebin /proc/mounts? |
| [05:50:18] | Shadow__X: | [R]: its not that i dont like the fonts i just wish i could increase their size as trying to read that 20inch monitor from about 7 feet away is rough |
| [05:50:27] | jya: | /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,utf8 0 0 |
| [05:50:38] | [R]: | Shadow__X: so pick a new theme or hack the theme file, but make sure you're on 100x100 |
| [05:51:03] | iamlindoro: | jya, Odd-- switching to cdrom0 fixed VUK generation for me |
| [05:51:05] | Crys_: | iamlindoro: the solution is obvious – resolve the symlink before you compare the mount point with the file name. |
| [05:51:11] | iamlindoro: | Crys_, no |
| [05:51:25] | Shadow__X: | [R]: i have set the dpi to 100x100 |
| [05:51:26] | iamlindoro: | It's also not our code |
| [05:51:38] | jya: | high-rez: 0.000Hz is "any" |
| [05:51:41] | Crys_: | Ah, too bad. |
| [05:51:51] | jya: | we use 0 to tell if it's any rez or a particular one |
| [05:52:10] | iamlindoro: | jya, can you do BD_DEBUG_MASK=8 mythavtest bd:/media/cdrom0 and pastebin? |
| [05:52:50] | [R]: | awwww... da puppies |
| [05:52:50] | Crys_: | Well, you could work around it and resolve the symlink before you call the lib. It's a reasonable workaround for the bug. |
| [05:52:54] | jya: | [R] deinterlacing-wise, it depends on your TV. My sony is great, but I still like vdpau advanced 2X better, it looks sharper to my eyes. |
| [05:53:10] | iamlindoro: | jya, You can still try commenting out the start and end of the if (but leaving the code in between) I guess, but sounds like your failure might be somewhere different |
| [05:53:17] | iamlindoro: | pastebin would help, though |
| [05:53:25] | high-rez: | jya: Aha ok so that makes sense |
| [05:53:33] | jya: | [R] the main issue with outputting deinterlacing, is that really myth knows nothing about outputting interlaced content, it has no way in knowing if something is 50Hz interlaced or 25p |
| [05:53:48] | [R]: | oh, well i'll just let the nvidia do it |
| [05:54:05] | [R]: | i cant even tell the difference between the basic deint and the "good" one |
| [05:54:24] | jya: | it depends on the contents you are watching |
| [05:54:35] | high-rez: | jya: I'm never /really/ sure what my receiver does with video anyways. Apparently it always does something and there's no way to disable it... So who knows, I might be sending 24p to it and its outputting 60 fps |
| [05:54:39] | jya: | if you watch one of those news channels like bloomberg |
| [05:54:45] | jya: | with scrolling text horizontally |
| [05:54:51] | jya: | that's where you can notice it the most |
| [05:54:57] | [R]: | yeah, i've seen those before looking jerky |
| [05:55:02] | cattelan is now known as cattelan_away | |
| [05:55:03] | [R]: | but i dont watch that crap |
| [05:55:05] | [R]: | :) |
| [05:55:13] | jya: | see if it's blurred, stuttery or perfectly sharp |
| [05:55:31] | jya: | the other way to check is watching something like basketbal |
| [05:55:45] | [R]: | dont watch that crap either |
| [05:55:46] | [R]: | :) |
| [05:55:50] | jya: | look if the ball is staying sharp at all times, or becomes blurry as it moves |
| [05:56:03] | jya: | that's where Advanced 2X vs Temporal 2X makes a difference |
| [05:56:24] | jya: | I find that for fast moving stuff, Temporal 2X has a better rendering, e.g. the ball stays clear while moving |
| [05:56:38] | iamlindoro: | jya, I gotta run in a few, I'd really be interested in the pastebin requested above but my time to look at it running out |
| [05:56:41] | jya: | Advanced 2X however, looks nicer with scenic shoots |
| [05:56:50] | jya: | I gave you the line |
| [05:56:56] | jya: | iamlindoro: /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,utf8 0 0 |
| [05:57:03] | iamlindoro: | that's not what I asked for, though |
| [05:57:09] | iamlindoro: | <iamlindoro> jya, can you do BD_DEBUG_MASK=8 mythavtest bd:/media/cdrom0 and pastebin? |
| [05:57:15] | jya: | that's from /proc/mounts |
| [05:58:46] | jya: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/hKV5RP0N |
| [05:59:12] | iamlindoro: | ok, first thing that jumps out is that your KEYDB.cfg has a syntax error |
| [05:59:18] | iamlindoro: | on like 18 or 19 |
| [05:59:20] | iamlindoro: | er line |
| [05:59:49] | jya: | high-rez: if your TV always output 60Hz, if you check that wiki |
| [05:59:54] | jya: | it tells you waht option to add |
| [05:59:57] | iamlindoro: | jya, erm, this seems to play fine? |
| [06:00:06] | jya: | iamlindoro: it's an old entry that had no 0x |
| [06:00:08] | jya: | it doesn't |
| [06:00:16] | jya: | it either follows with can't open video |
| [06:00:24] | jya: | or "waiting 100ms ...." forever |
| [06:00:38] | iamlindoro: | The example here doesn't have any error |
| [06:00:48] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I wasn't clear, let me step back |
| [06:01:02] | iamlindoro: | I want you to remove the VUK for a title, them run the above command, and pastebin me a failure |
| [06:01:03] | jya: | humm... just re-did it again |
| [06:01:04] | jya: | it works |
| [06:01:05] | high-rez: | jya: I think my tv is providing EDID values 24/50/60 etc. And the logs show that it's switching to 60. My TV doesn't show me the current frame rate it outputs, so I don't know if my receiver is doing something odd to the signal |
| [06:01:09] | iamlindoro: | jya, Good :) |
| [06:01:14] | [R]: | oh man... its genius... flavored candy canes |
| [06:01:15] | iamlindoro: | yes, it's the string comparison thing |
| [06:01:17] | jya: | but I can't remember I compiled the change to libaacs |
| [06:01:23] | iamlindoro: | you didn't need to |
| [06:01:31] | iamlindoro: | the issue in libaacs was the string comparison failing |
| [06:01:36] | jya: | well, I did by the time you said to change media0 |
| [06:01:55] | iamlindoro: | and the reason it was failing is because /proc/mounts had /media/cdrom0 and we were trying /media/cdrom |
| [06:01:56] | jya: | let me recompile libaacs |
| [06:02:02] | high-rez: | So are you testing with bd menus jya ? |
| [06:02:08] | jya: | no |
| [06:02:09] | iamlindoro: | so changing the path and commenting the code have the same effect |
| [06:02:23] | iamlindoro: | if commenting the code worked, then changing the path you're aiming at will too |
| [06:02:39] | jya: | it needs to access the /dev/sr0 device to work ? |
| [06:02:44] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Is your menu stuff at a point where you want people testing it? |
| [06:02:48] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, no |
| [06:02:57] | iamlindoro: | jya, to calculate the VUK, yes |
| [06:03:15] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, we are months, at least, away from when it will be open to testing |
| [06:03:36] | iamlindoro: | jya, So yeah, try stock libaacs, and point it at cdrom0 and all should be well--- no more aacskeys |
| [06:03:46] | jya: | yep.. that works |
| [06:03:48] | jya: | cool |
| [06:03:57] | jya: | actually was using cdrom0 before |
| [06:04:18] | iamlindoro: | that should have always worked without a VUK, provided the PKs were correct |
| [06:04:34] | iamlindoro: | or before meaning before you had libaacs installed? |
| [06:04:50] | jya: | high-rez: by default with nvidia config, even though X says its changing the refresh rate, nothing actually happen |
| [06:05:16] | jya: | high-rez: you must have Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = Native" |
| [06:05:20] | jya: | as described in the wiki |
| [06:05:25] | high-rez: | jya: Yeah, I have that in the device section |
| [06:05:32] | high-rez: | per the wiki entry. :) |
| [06:05:34] | [R]: | jya: so if some of the modelines fro mthe wiki didnt work on my tv, that means its actually switching them right? |
| [06:05:38] | jya: | iamlindoro: after I had libaacs |
| [06:05:48] | iamlindoro: | jya, That should have always worked without a VUK then |
| [06:05:49] | high-rez: | (i decided to read the entire wiki entry after I asked my first stupid question about the mouse pointer) |
| [06:05:49] | jya: | but to be honnest, I had never tried not to run without aacskeys |
| [06:05:53] | jya: | because I didn't know better |
| [06:05:56] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [06:05:58] | iamlindoro: | well now we know |
| [06:06:30] | jya: | high-rez: don't you have an info entry on your TV showing the refresh rate in use? |
| [06:06:33] | jya: | I know mine does |
| [06:06:44] | jya: | my projector shows it too in the main menu |
| [06:06:52] | high-rez: | jya: Nope. My TV is lame. Just says "1080P PCM" |
| [06:07:06] | jya: | it won't show the diffence between 1080p 50 or 60 |
| [06:07:12] | jya: | but it does show 1080p24 |
| [06:07:13] | iamlindoro: | jya, Yeah, just ripped ALL the single line entries out and everything working... yay! |
| [06:07:13] | [R]: | high-rez: haha... mine says PCM 1080p |
| [06:07:22] | jya: | for 24Hz call |
| [06:07:26] | iamlindoro: | will need to add that trick to the wiki |
| [06:07:35] | high-rez: | jya: I'm gonna have to hook up my samsung – it shows the refresh rate. |
| [06:07:40] | jya: | iamlindoro: yeah, not having to deal with KEYDB.cfg, is the key to get this user friendly |
| [06:07:48] | jya: | always feel like a hack otherwise |
| [06:07:58] | jya: | high-rez: if you start nvidia-settings |
| [06:08:02] | high-rez: | R: I might actually have that backwards. It might say PCM 108P. Either way its not terribly informative. :) |
| [06:08:11] | jya: | go into the display, it will show you the refresh rate it outputs |
| [06:08:15] | iamlindoro: | jya, I think that just having to put the host cert and player keys as they are discovered isn't too bad |
| [06:08:23] | iamlindoro: | at most you might need to add a PK once a year or something |
| [06:08:41] | jya: | this is awesome stuff really.. |
| [06:08:44] | iamlindoro: | Unfortunately nobody has discovered a new one in over a year :( |
| [06:08:52] | jya: | it's almost a full BD player replacement |
| [06:08:57] | jya: | and it's 10 times faster |
| [06:09:58] | jya: | iamlindoro: I wonder if AnyDVD would be willing to make a linux plugin |
| [06:10:02] | high-rez: | Yeah, my samsung bluray player is puke slow. It's almost faster to rip the ISO image, mount-loop it, and refresh in mythvideo than it is to use my samsung :D |
| [06:10:04] | jya: | don't mind the close source there |
| [06:10:19] | iamlindoro: | I wouldn't mind either, justa little virtual device... would be nice |
| [06:10:53] | high-rez: | Heh, except the anydvd guys would charge $250/yr for it – cause they can. |
| [06:11:10] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [06:11:18] | wagnerrp: | i paid $80... once |
| [06:11:32] | high-rez: | Well now its yearly and its pretty darned expensive |
| [06:11:36] | jya: | you can buy a lifetime upgrade until December 31st |
| [06:11:44] | jya: | and it's even 20% discount |
| [06:12:08] | high-rez: | Huh – i didn't notice that the other day when I looked at pricing on their site. |
| [06:12:39] | jya: | 87 euros for lifetime upgrade |
| [06:12:53] | high-rez: | $115 |
| [06:13:08] | jya: | that's quite reasonable... they must have a massive amount of reverse engineering happening to get this product out |
| [06:13:14] | high-rez: | I paid less than that for a standalone player. |
| [06:13:23] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [06:13:31] | Crys_: | It's very expensive if you compare the price of AnyDVD + BD drive to a BD player. The latter just works out of the box without hassle. |
| [06:13:32] | jya: | and probably put aside a fair amount on their legal fund |
| [06:14:01] | jya: | high-rez: but how does that compare once you include all those BD movies you never paid for :P |
| [06:14:05] | wagnerrp: | i just upgraded one of my frontends and spent 10 minutes trying to figure out why there was no sound |
| [06:14:17] | wagnerrp: | my harmony screwed up, and the receiver was on the wrong input |
| [06:14:27] | jya: | wagnerrp: was about to ask... but ouch... |
| [06:14:33] | high-rez: | jya: It doesn't, because I'd only use it as a mechanism of unlockling my fair use rights :) |
| [06:14:42] | jya: | yeah right.. |
| [06:14:56] | jya: | does anydvd works in wine or some kind of virtual machine? |
| [06:15:01] | high-rez: | You're probably right :) |
| [06:15:04] | wagnerrp: | wait a minute... my mythfrontend isnt on the 'laserdisk' input |
| [06:15:11] | high-rez: | i think in both vmware and virtualbox but not wine |
| [06:15:26] | [R]: | wagnerrp: mine is on my mythtv input :) |
| [06:15:29] | jya: | the BD is now in my backend, don't want to reboot in windows whenever I want to boot a disk |
| [06:16:06] | jya: | so ultimately, you could start VM, activate the vmware sharing option, and access the content from linux on the vmware box? |
| [06:16:09] | jya: | that would do |
| [06:16:20] | jya: | though, I guess I could just power the panasonic |
| [06:16:23] | high-rez: | Yeah, actually, probably |
| [06:16:51] | iamlindoro: | jya, does not work in wine, will work fine in Virtualbox |
| [06:16:57] | high-rez: | My plan is to just put my movies that i known I'll rewatch more than once a year on a big raid setup and have a whole ton of mounted ISOs |
| [06:17:10] | high-rez: | Which is almost exclusively concerts |
| [06:17:15] | jya: | iamlindoro : and can you share the drive via network sharing ? |
| [06:17:24] | iamlindoro: | maybe, never tried |
| [06:17:27] | iamlindoro: | probably |
| [06:17:48] | Crys_: | wagnerrp: Which harmony profile are you using for MythTV? I read that some remote emulations are slow because of the delay between key press events. |
| [06:17:49] | high-rez: | jya: It should work, since it basically just presents you with a virtual drive....... Probably could mount_smbfs it |
| [06:17:52] | jya: | going to try virtualbox then |
| [06:18:15] | jya: | high-rez: it depends if it actually needs to talk to the hardware |
| [06:18:38] | jya: | I got anydvdhd to work that way last time |
| [06:18:41] | jya: | was a long time ago |
| [06:18:46] | jya: | on the frontend, running windows |
| [06:18:49] | [R]: | Crys_: i set my delays to 0 and it works just fine |
| [06:18:51] | iamlindoro: | if the disc is already decrypted, it doesn't need to talk to the hardware |
| [06:18:53] | jya: | I exported as iSCSI device |
| [06:19:00] | jya: | and I mounted it on the backend |
| [06:19:04] | jya: | it worked |
| [06:19:07] | iamlindoro: | ie, if you share the AnyDVD virtual device, there will be no need to talk to the hardware on the myth side |
| [06:19:16] | wagnerrp: | 880, works fine, but my receiver doesnt have buttons to go to each input |
| [06:19:36] | wagnerrp: | it has to store the state, the order, and cycle through |
| [06:19:58] | high-rez: | yeah, it should work the same as the way I'm diong mount_loop on my ripped ISO's no? Myth will execute what it needs to figure out which m2ts to use? |
| [06:20:05] | wagnerrp: | and occasionally gets confused |
| [06:20:32] | Shadow__X: | how would i find out if a geforce 210 supported advanced 2x deinterlacing |
| [06:22:02] | wagnerrp: | it supports it just fine |
| [06:22:12] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [06:22:21] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have the power to do it for 1080i60 |
| [06:22:41] | ** high-rez thinks the gt 430 is the ultimate card now ** | |
| [06:22:54] | high-rez: | I "upgraded" my 240 to a 430 tonight ;) |
| [06:22:59] | Crys_: | [R]: I'm still waiting for my hardware (stupid snow) so I try to figure out as many possible issues as I can think/read of. |
| [06:23:15] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: how would i be able to know which cards have enough power for 1080i60 |
| [06:23:32] | Crys_: | GT210 are the most powerful cars with passive cooling I was able to find. |
| [06:24:09] | wagnerrp: | you can find passive GT220 and GT430s |
| [06:24:26] | high-rez: | The 240 does 1080i60. But if you're looking at getting a new card – I wouldn't put money down on the 200 series given the bugginess of its HBR output |
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| [06:24:41] | jya: | Crys_: there are 220 and 430 with passive cooling |
| [06:24:44] | Shadow__X: | high-rez: so what should i look at |
| [06:24:58] | jya: | 430 |
| [06:25:06] | high-rez: | Shadow__X: I think the 430 is the best option for a media player |
| [06:25:19] | Shadow__X: | that supports 1080i60 easily? |
| [06:25:25] | Crys_: | jya: I searched through more than four German online shops without success. Do you have a model name for me? |
| [06:25:42] | Shadow__X: | or what about a 9500gt is that worse? |
| [06:25:52] | Shadow__X: | the core clock on the 430 is higher |
| [06:25:52] | high-rez: | Shadow__X: Yes, and it draws less power than the 240. Has a TINY fan |
| [06:25:57] | jya: | Crys_: no... I myself got one with a fan, it's virtually silent, and I can't hear it. |
| [06:26:00] | high-rez: | The 9500 is a terrible card.. |
| [06:26:04] | jya: | and I'm *very* picky about noise |
| [06:26:21] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [06:26:22] | high-rez: | Yeah, I can't hear mine either. |
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| [06:26:40] | jya: | Shadow__X: the GT2xx allows discrete audio output. The 4xx series allows bitstream of DTS-HD and TRUE-HD |
| [06:26:59] | high-rez: | the 8000/9000 series, in my mind, would be less desirable than the 2xx series, whcih is less desirable than the 4xx |
| [06:27:31] | Shadow__X: | oh ok wow thats worlds better |
| [06:27:32] | Crys_: | jya: me, too ;) I always were ear protection at concerts. |
| [06:27:38] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: but if you need analog outputs, you need an 8x/9x card |
| [06:27:40] | high-rez: | The moment you see your receiver showing its playing DTS-HD Master Audio from a bitstream coming from myth – you'll be like... shaweet |
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| [06:27:50] | wagnerrp: | the GT line is digital only |
| [06:28:03] | Shadow__X: | with a spidf cable going to the card still though right? |
| [06:28:04] | high-rez: | You mean like component ? |
| [06:28:07] | jya: | at this time, the best choice for myth, IMHO is the GT430. It's small, use less power than the equivalent GT2xx and you can watch your blue ray with DTS-HD track |
| [06:28:12] | wagnerrp: | (and VGA, but that doesnt count) |
| [06:28:23] | jya: | knowing that at present, there is no way to play dts-hd audio in linux |
| [06:28:26] | high-rez: | Shadow__X: No SPDIF cable required at all. The card will look like a soundcard n linux |
| [06:28:33] | Shadow__X: | awesome |
| [06:28:41] | jya: | my GT430 has vga, dvi and hdmi |
| [06:28:46] | Crys_: | Shadow__X: modern cards don't need a S/PDIF cable. |
| [06:28:50] | jya: | I had no hdmi cable, but a DVI->HDMI one |
| [06:28:57] | jya: | and I got audio to work using the DVI port |
| [06:28:59] | jya: | so perfect |
| [06:29:05] | high-rez: | Yeah my GT430 also has VGA< DVI, HDMI. I removed the DVI from mine though |
| [06:29:18] | Shadow__X: | Crys_: oh ok i thought the 8400s needed a spidf cable but that is old now |
| [06:29:39] | wagnerrp: | the 8x and 9x line both required SPDIF cables |
| [06:29:45] | jya: | Shadow__X: the 9xxx allowed audio, by using the spdif header from the motherboard |
| [06:29:48] | high-rez: | Shadow__X: The 8xxx/9xxx cards DO need a SPDIF cable if you want to use them for audio over HDMI. |
| [06:29:54] | jya: | but you're then limited to stereo audio, or AC3/DTS |
| [06:30:05] | wagnerrp: | the GT cards all have built in audio |
| [06:30:05] | Shadow__X: | right |
| [06:30:06] | jya: | 8xxx don't even do audio at all |
| [06:30:34] | high-rez: | Shadow_X: The 2xx and 4xx series /do not/ need a spdif cable. But the 2xx series can't do High Bit Rate audio bitstreaming – where the 4xx can. |
| [06:30:53] | iamlindoro: | ok, wiki updated, good night |
| [06:31:05] | jya: | with the GT220, you'll be able to do E-AC3 and DTS-HD < 6.144Mbit/s. Basically evertyhing which doesn't require HDMI HBR |
| [06:31:12] | jya: | 'night |
| [06:31:14] | high-rez: | (actually technically, it seems the 2xx can, but most receivers don't like it – I'm guessing that nvidia intended it to support this but has a bug in the silicon that prevents it from working right) |
| [06:31:32] | jya: | the receiver don't like it, because the GT2xx output crap |
| [06:32:36] | high-rez: | They output something. Maybe incorect aes bits ? My reciever will play both dts-hd ma and dts-hd hr – but it complains about the signal sync. Oh well, spent my christmas moneyh and got a 430 :) |
| [06:32:48] | Crys_: | How much video RAM should I go for, 512 or 1024 MB? |
| [06:33:06] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [06:33:18] | wagnerrp: | anything 512MB or more is fine |
| [06:33:27] | jya: | Crys_: I think that all GT430 have 1GB |
| [06:33:33] | jya: | all the one I've seen at least |
| [06:33:59] | jya: | 6 models of GT430 at my local store, all 1GB |
| [06:34:36] | jya: | same for the GT220 |
| [06:34:43] | high-rez: | So, now, totally different subject. Any of you know how 3d on Bluray works? Are the movies incoded at 2205x1080 with the 45 pixel buffer as part of the h264 encoding, or are they encoded at 1920x1080 – but twice the frame rate, and the player has to put the 45 pixel buffer in place ? |
| [06:34:44] | Crys_: | you are right |
| [06:34:44] | jya: | GT210 does come with 512MB variant |
| [06:35:15] | jya: | high-rez: you'll find that it depends on the 3D technique |
| [06:35:23] | high-rez: | The 2xx series is total crap. I personally thing that it's a silicon bug :-) |
| [06:35:42] | jya: | wagnerrp: aren't you working with people involved in 3D stuff? |
| [06:36:19] | wagnerrp: | i do 3d fluids simulation |
| [06:36:43] | high-rez: | jya: Is it possible that both are true? Or that it's the same for side by side ? |
| [06:36:49] | jya: | well, cheapest GT220: $58, cheapest 430: $73. Most expensive GT220: $75, 430: $87... |
| [06:37:10] | jya: | and that's not 3D, that's stereoscopie |
| [06:37:21] | wagnerrp: | we have a stereoscopic projector, and a parallax monitor, but no one really uses them because it doesnt help, and its too low resolution |
| [06:37:42] | wagnerrp: | the simulation and data is 3D, the display is stereoscopic |
| [06:38:02] | jya: | that reminds me of that dude doing awesome stuff with his wii |
| [06:38:16] | jya: | he made a fantastic utility, looks amazing. |
| [06:38:17] | high-rez: | jya: I guess I'm looking at this: http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ . . . ignal420.jpg – and wondering – if myth was outputting 1920x2205 – would it actually work ? |
| [06:38:23] | wagnerrp: | but we all prefer to use our 30" HPs and Apples |
| [06:38:35] | high-rez: | Or does the 'active blanking' have to be done by the receiver. |
| [06:38:42] | wagnerrp: | 2560x1600 >>>> 1024x768 |
| [06:38:48] | jya: | Apple still have the 30" / |
| [06:39:21] | jya: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw |
| [06:39:29] | jya: | this guy is amazing |
| [06:39:36] | wagnerrp: | that the head tracking stuff? |
| [06:39:42] | jya: | he made hundreds of cool stuff using the wii remote |
| [06:39:43] | jya: | yeah |
| [06:40:06] | wagnerrp: | where you literally 'look' around the object |
| [06:40:15] | jya: | now that's what I call real 3D |
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| [06:40:36] | wagnerrp: | jya: its more effective than any of the stereoscopic stuff ive used |
| [06:40:51] | wagnerrp: | but, its really only good for a single person |
| [06:41:11] | wagnerrp: | and you still have to move around, rather than just sit where you are and fiddle with the mouse/keyboard |
| [06:41:22] | jya: | when it looks so cool? I don't care if I'm the only one enjoying it :) |
| [06:41:45] | wagnerrp: | one of the guys did rig a wiimote/nunchuck into our in-house visualizer |
| [06:42:02] | wagnerrp: | for use as a control when doing presentations |
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| [07:10:13] | allenmellon: | hey what does %chanid%_%starttime% mean? |
| [07:10:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: a nielsen poll found only 10% of users worldwide (and 3% in north america) stated they intend to purchase a 3D TV in the next year |
| [07:10:30] | wagnerrp: | a whopping 60% said they have no intention of ever buying one |
| [07:10:45] | wagnerrp: | allenmellon: exactly what it sounds like |
| [07:10:55] | allenmellon: | im supposed to put a path to a file, and then put %chanid%_%starttime%, but its not working apparently |
| [07:10:56] | wagnerrp: | the chanid and starttime are replaced into their respective tags |
| [07:11:05] | allenmellon: | oh so they are replaced |
| [07:11:07] | [R]: | wagnerrp: and the rest said? 3dtv? what's that? |
| [07:11:22] | wagnerrp: | 15% said they might |
| [07:11:38] | wagnerrp: | which leaves another 15%... unknown |
| [07:11:48] | wagnerrp: | allenmellon: what says to do that? |
| [07:11:51] | allenmellon: | what am i supposed to replace chanid and starttime with? |
| [07:11:55] | [R]: | that's the people who woludn't admit they dindt know what it was |
| [07:11:59] | allenmellon: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Android_RSS_Video_Feed |
| [07:12:02] | allenmellon: | at the very bottom |
| [07:16:04] | allenmellon: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [07:17:05] | [R]: | its got a fail whale at the top |
| [07:17:06] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:17:30] | [R]: | allenmellon: what makes you think you hav eto rpelace it? |
| [07:18:05] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [07:18:12] | allenmellon: | well, its not working, and wagnerrp says i have to replace them with their respective tags? |
| [07:18:13] | kormoc: | We have RSS feeds in mythweb |
| [07:18:23] | [R]: | allenmellon: he never said you had to replace them |
| [07:18:40] | allenmellon: | mythweb?? |
| [07:19:08] | kormoc: | http://www.mythtv.org/detail/mythweb |
| [07:19:25] | allenmellon: | so i can watch my mythtv recordings from my phone? |
| [07:19:31] | [R]: | woah, those screenshots are pretty sweet |
| [07:20:09] | kormoc: | allenmellon, mythweb has ipod streaming that should be compatable with android phones if you pre-transcode the files |
| [07:20:33] | kormoc: | allenmellon, it's a non-trivial amount of cpu to do so and they have to transcoded entirely before you can watch them |
| [07:21:00] | allenmellon: | yeah, i understand that from the method im trying right now |
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| [07:21:37] | allenmellon: | i was almost done with the rss android video feed im trying, it just doesnt transcode recordings automatically |
| [07:21:59] | kormoc: | nor will it remove previously transcoded files when you're done |
| [07:22:10] | kormoc: | so you'll have to keep manually cleaning up the files |
| [07:22:35] | allenmellon: | it says it deletes transcodings that have the original recording deleted |
| [07:22:56] | allenmellon: | i just cant get that user job to work |
| [07:23:26] | kormoc: | email the author, it's really not following supported ways of doing things |
| [07:24:26] | allenmellon: | i guess ill just try mythweb |
| [07:24:36] | allenmellon: | but the installation link is broken |
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| [07:27:59] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, I'm in the mood to listen to some Beatles |
| [07:28:38] | [R]: | Beirdo: good thing they have it on itunes now |
| [07:29:33] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [07:29:35] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:29:56] | Beirdo: | that would require going to iTunes and paying for it |
| [07:30:10] | Beirdo: | when I already have CDs with the music |
| [07:30:18] | Crys_: | The UK has exported four really good things: Worcestershire sauce, Beatles, Monty Python and Doctor Who :] |
| [07:30:37] | [R]: | Beirdo: CDs are so 1990 |
| [07:30:43] | nutron: | wagnerrp: I was thinking about what you were saying the other night about storing on hard drives, I wonder. Where do you pick up silica gel? |
| [07:31:05] | wagnerrp: | comes with the hard drives |
| [07:31:13] | Beirdo: | Crys_: and the Goon Show |
| [07:31:17] | wagnerrp: | and various food items |
| [07:31:23] | nutron: | meh, I lost all of them to the bin. |
| [07:31:29] | [R]: | and luggage |
| [07:31:44] | wagnerrp: | your hard drives will already have a packet internally |
| [07:31:52] | [R]: | really? crazy |
| [07:32:00] | wagnerrp: | the problem is once that packet runs out, the drive is toast |
| [07:32:08] | [R]: | i was gonna say... what happens when it gets all used up |
| [07:32:27] | wagnerrp: | but unless you live in florida, chances are the drive will die of natural causes before the silica gives out |
| [07:32:36] | nutron: | gah! really? I've taken them apart, never noticed that |
| [07:32:38] | Beirdo: | or Puerto Rico :) |
| [07:33:03] | Beirdo: | or Washington, DC, I bet... built on an old swamp |
| [07:33:17] | [R]: | doesnt it rain alot in washington state? |
| [07:33:29] | Crys_: | nutron: you can use a small cotton bag with rice instead. |
| [07:33:45] | Beirdo: | [R]: go do some research. |
| [07:33:55] | [R]: | Beirdo: on what topic? |
| [07:34:00] | Beirdo: | Seattle gets less precipitation per year than NYC |
| [07:34:05] | nutron: | oh yeah! I remember using rice to dry.. uhh... I forget :) |
| [07:34:17] | wagnerrp: | nutron: flash drives? phones? |
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| [07:34:21] | [R]: | Beirdo: but i always thought it was cloudy in dreary 24/7 there... |
| [07:34:27] | [R]: | cloudy and dreary* |
| [07:34:34] | Beirdo: | cloudy and dreary != raining |
| [07:34:36] | nutron: | wagnerrp: nah it was a school thing back in the 80's |
| [07:34:37] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:34:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's overcast a lot |
| [07:34:58] | wagnerrp: | if you run some bit of electronics through the laundry, you toss it into some rice, recharge the battery, good as new |
| [07:35:03] | Beirdo: | but not raining as much as reputation says |
| [07:35:05] | [R]: | people here love it whne it rains or is cloudy |
| [07:35:07] | [R]: | crazy people |
| [07:35:14] | Crys_: | nutron: just remember: too dry or cold isn't good for HDD drives, too. You shouldn't operate a HDD drive at a temperature below 25°C as well. |
| [07:35:33] | [R]: | wagnerrp: water killed a battery of mine |
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| [07:35:58] | [R]: | Crys_: i thought they say you should freeze them whne they die... |
| [07:36:14] | [R]: | wagnerrp: although it WAS chlorinated water |
| [07:36:20] | wagnerrp: | [R]: that only corrects a few very specific issues |
| [07:36:52] | [R]: | if you used dry ice |
| [07:36:56] | Crys_: | Chalk and salt in water is often more harmful than the water itself. Remove the batteries ASAP and wash them with distilled water before you dry the stuff. |
| [07:36:57] | wagnerrp: | its more that the drive is dead, theres nothing to be lost in trying |
| [07:36:58] | [R]: | could you smash a hard drive? |
| [07:37:05] | [R]: | like shatter |
| [07:37:08] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [07:37:11] | wagnerrp: | lies |
| [07:37:13] | Crys_: | [R]: operating != storing. |
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| [07:37:19] | nutron: | Crys_: nah just storage for backups. I already cycle out sensitive financial and personal records in a safe deposit box. I was just looking at a stack of over 70 80+ gig IDE drives. I'm gonna give/sell most of them away, but I figure I could use some to replicate the family photos to .. the mega massive music collection that I'll NEVER, EVER want to rip from CD again... |
| [07:37:26] | nutron: | etc |
| [07:37:28] | wagnerrp: | [R]: even if you used liquid helium, you couldnt smash a hard drive |
| [07:37:37] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that makes me sad |
| [07:37:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:37:47] | Beirdo: | I've smashed hard drives |
| [07:37:58] | wagnerrp: | you can make it brittle, and if you hit it hard enough, it will crack |
| [07:38:04] | Beirdo: | but it took whipping them hard against concrete floors |
| [07:38:11] | wagnerrp: | but it will never shatter like you often see in movies |
| [07:38:33] | Beirdo: | on the third time, they tend to decide to part company with themselves |
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| [07:38:44] | ** nutron pulls out the armor piercing bullets ** | |
| [07:38:50] | [R]: | will a rose shatter like they show on tv? |
| [07:38:50] | Beirdo: | works best if you land em on the corner |
| [07:39:07] | Beirdo: | in liquid nitrogen? sure |
| [07:39:07] | wagnerrp: | a rose? maybe |
| [07:39:17] | wagnerrp: | its mostly water which will freeze and shatter |
| [07:39:24] | Crys_: | nutron: I wouldn't use a hard drive older than 4 or 5 years to backup important stuff. Also you should copy all files to another disk and back once every year or two in order to refresh the magnetic information. |
| [07:39:26] | nutron: | http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg296/jorgen17/1hd.jpg <-- that looks fun! |
| [07:39:36] | [R]: | how dangerous is liquid nitrogen to humans? |
| [07:39:49] | nutron: | Crys_: aye, though even if I do, i'll just lose backups of the backups |
| [07:40:02] | Beirdo: | if treated properly, not dangerous at all |
| [07:40:02] | Crys_: | [R]: depends on the amount and time :) |
| [07:40:21] | wagnerrp: | its used for medicinal purposes all the time |
| [07:40:30] | Beirdo: | I had some poured on my hand... we were told not to let it pool, let it run off |
| [07:40:37] | wagnerrp: | a cotton swap and a wart... the wart is no more |
| [07:40:44] | Beirdo: | Science Centers are cool |
| [07:40:46] | nutron: | wow I wonder if that guy was planning on running the drive encased in that block of ice |
| [07:40:49] | [R]: | Beirdo: haha |
| [07:41:00] | Beirdo: | it felt... almost oily |
| [07:41:03] | Beirdo: | it was weird |
| [07:41:24] | wagnerrp: | your hand has enough stored heat that the LN2 will sublimate, forming a protective barrier of gaseous nitrogen |
| [07:41:39] | Crys_: | nutron: that's a really bad idea. The optimal temperature for a hard disk is around 30°C |
| [07:41:51] | wagnerrp: | your had has to get pretty cold before you get direct skin contact |
| [07:41:57] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:42:04] | wagnerrp: | but once you do, conduction is going to start killing tissue very quickly |
| [07:42:10] | ** nutron looks at Beirdo and wonders if he's the T-1000 ** | |
| [07:42:12] | Beirdo: | you can't let it pool in your hand :) |
| [07:42:32] | Crys_: | Beirdo: well, you can but you'll loose your hand ;) |
| [07:42:42] | Beirdo: | if it sits there, you'll regret it |
| [07:42:46] | ** [R] remembers to stay away from liquid nitrogen ** | |
| [07:42:50] | [R]: | my hands are my livelihood |
| [07:42:50] | [R]: | haha |
| [07:43:02] | nutron: | my hands are my girlfriends... |
| [07:43:05] | Beirdo: | but anyways, other than being dang cold, it's pretty safe. after all, most of air is nitrogen |
| [07:43:10] | [R]: | nutron: Rosy Palms? |
| [07:43:21] | nutron: | and thumbellina |
| [07:43:24] | [R]: | haha |
| [07:44:17] | nutron: | well i'm gonna buy a usb 40pin/44pin/sata usb dongle to fiddle with backed up material... another chore added to the list |
| [07:45:52] | [R]: | wtf |
| [07:46:00] | Crys_: | nutron: http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf according to Google's tests the lowest failure ratio is about 40°C. Even 50°C is better than 25°C |
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| [07:46:06] | [R]: | these parents let their kids hang out with the crazy old lady who collects animals? |
| [07:46:44] | Crys_: | nutron: page 6 |
| [07:46:45] | nutron: | Crys_: Oh I'm fully versed on the theories. The ice block picture was for a guy using the method to recover data off a dead hard drive, apparently it worked. Then he tossed the drive. |
| [07:48:03] | Crys_: | nutron: Ah, I misunderstood you. Sorry. The stuff is part of my job. |
| [07:48:25] | [R]: | Crys_: you know hardware? |
| [07:49:01] | nutron: | No worries, yeah part of my "job" too. I was just wondering about silica to keep the drives dry when stored in a dank dark spider infested area. |
| [07:49:17] | nutron: | But your rice suggestion is primo. |
| [07:49:19] | nutron: | thanks |
| [07:49:33] | Crys_: | Mostly software and Linux, but long time storage is an important part of my work, too. |
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| [07:50:56] | Crys_: | Too bad that nobody has invented a storage system that can store a Petabyte for several hundrd to thousand years. |
| [07:51:41] | wagnerrp: | sure, store it on paper |
| [07:52:09] | [R]: | "What is a trident but a 3 pronged underwater menorah?" |
| [07:52:15] | [R]: | omg... colbert is ridiculous |
| [07:53:07] | nutron: | stone.. it's the only thing I can think of that'd last that long. |
| [07:53:20] | Crys_: | wagnerrp: ha! You need special, acid free paper and special ink, too. |
| [07:53:29] | nutron: | Anyone have a chisel? I need to machine encode war and peace... |
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| [07:54:42] | Crys_: | I'm working with very old books and manuscripts on a daily base. |
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| [07:57:59] | nutron: | where do these retailers go to brand their cheap chinese parts? I've seen the same physical ide/sata/usb adapter on 8 different retailers sites with a different "generic" brand name on each one. |
| [07:58:27] | nutron: | Frustrating, can't compare quality. I want to find a good one. Not dealextreme kind of good either... |
| [07:59:02] | [R]: | interesting |
| [07:59:13] | [R]: | the SATA spec isn't open, but the AHCI spec is... |
| [08:01:09] | Crys_: | nutron: I recommend Icy Box hardware. |
| [08:01:38] | nutron: | http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17 . . . ogies%20Inc. |
| [08:01:43] | nutron: | all I can find is that crap :/ |
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| [12:58:00] | dingus: | hey hey i got three issues 1) some myth metadata dosent load even though its clearly search able on thetvdb 2) mythtv crashes if i update metadata on more then 300 items in a single session) 3) mythtv wont play an mkv file, any insight on any of the above would be appreciated |
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| [13:15:10] | tank-man: | i suggest starting with looking at the logs |
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| [13:16:39] | dingus: | i would, if i knew where to find em. |
| [13:17:35] | dingus: | where dose mythtv keep its log files? |
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| [13:18:47] | tank-man: | where ever you tell it to put them. It depends on what your startup script does. Most likely somewhere in /var/log/ |
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| [13:19:28] | btwe: | dingus: have a look at mythbackend --help |
| [13:20:11] | btwe: | maybe 'ps -fC mythbackend' helps more |
| [13:20:12] | dingus: | thank you, ill review them, have a bit of a play with it, and if i get stuck ill be back, but thanks for the quick and helpful reply |
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| [13:30:35] | yunosh: | hi. creating my first dvd with myhtarchive since i updated to 0.24. i have a recording with a cutlist and selected it for the dvd. but there is no icon that the cutlist is being used, and C doesn't help either (like suggested in the mytharchive wiki page) |
| [13:31:07] | yunosh: | how do i make it using the cutlist? |
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| [14:05:14] | wondra: | Greetings, I currently have a frontend/backend box with a tuner (under tv) writing to nfs (behind wardrobe). I have ACPI wakeup working. I would like to run another backend and the database on the nfs server, so that I can run transcoding on it and see which record is which in case I want to view something from another computer. The question is – will I be able to keep the mythwelcome, autoshutdown and alarm wakeup if I convert the machine (under tv) to a |
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| [16:05:41] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro: whats the best way to trim commercials out of a hdpvr recording anymore? |
| [16:06:21] | elmojo: | videoredo under windows :) |
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| [16:06:29] | iamlindoro: | rhpot1991: I guess there's probably not really a "best," outside of the avidemux script that RDV_Linux and I came up with way back when it came out |
| [16:06:45] | iamlindoro: | yeah, some windows tools will apparently do H.264 cut, but I don't have any experience with them |
| [16:07:07] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro: I think I found some script on your wiki page along the way |
| [16:07:24] | elmojo: | heh, I forgot about avidemux |
| [16:07:31] | rhpot1991: | that what you are referring to? |
| [16:08:11] | iamlindoro: | There's that one (is it still there?) and I think RDV has his own variation on the script which might be more up to date |
| [16:08:50] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: do you do much with cutting hdpvr recordings these days? |
| [16:09:08] | iamlindoro: | nah, haven't in a while |
| [16:09:21] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Iamlindoro |
| [16:09:22] | iamlindoro: | I've mostly just been keeping the recordings around until I can get the Blu-ray |
| [16:09:50] | rhpot1991: | I'd like to share the walking dead with my brother, but they wont fit on dvd-rs unless I trim them down |
| [16:10:44] | elmojo: | naughty, naughty |
| [16:11:26] | elmojo: | you could just transcode them without cutting... that would reduce the size a great deal |
| [16:11:47] | elmojo: | x264 is an _amazing_ encoder |
| [16:11:58] | rhpot1991: | elmojo: ya thats an option |
| [16:12:15] | rhpot1991: | I need to try and stick with something that a samsung BR will read right off the disc |
| [16:12:24] | elmojo: | lots of scripts or a popular option is handbrake |
| [16:13:22] | elmojo: | x264 can now produce compliant Bluray encodes.. you'll have to do some searching on how to do that though |
| [16:14:00] | elmojo: | I would imagine most profiles used by the popular encoding apps would work fine |
| [16:14:58] | iamlindoro: | Dark Shikari's blog has the details on writing out compliant files IIRC |
| [16:15:30] | iamlindoro: | http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/archives/328 |
| [16:15:54] | elmojo: | that's what I recall... they even have a sample Bluray they made with freely distributable material |
| [16:17:01] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that's what I had some of the guys using to test blu-ray over SG |
| [16:17:02] | elmojo: | I read some comments on the ML that you can run x264 with crf 24 (no resizing) and they can not tell the difference from the original Bluray |
| [16:17:52] | rhpot1991: | they don't really need to be bluray, just files that a bluray reader will read off of a dvd data disc |
| [16:17:55] | iamlindoro: | realistically, most players should probably play anything "specish" just fine |
| [16:18:12] | iamlindoro: | which probably includes most normal profiles of H.264 in TS |
| [16:18:17] | rhpot1991: | google tells me that the samsung isn't too picky so I just need to get the size down |
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| [16:19:35] | rhpot1991: | google isn't finding me RDV_linux's script, I'll have to wait for him to appear in here |
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| [16:54:13] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
| [16:55:02] | jm|laptop: | is it reasonable that mythbackend is using ~75% of memory |
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| [16:57:53] | jams: | iamlindoro- whats your email address? |
| [17:00:39] | iamlindoro: | jams: you know my name, right? first.last@gmail |
| [17:01:04] | jams: | k |
| [17:01:10] | iamlindoro: | why? |
| [17:01:21] | jams: | so i can send you an email |
| [17:01:34] | iamlindoro: | heh, ok, don't want to be more specific? |
| [17:01:52] | jams: | it's a shell script to create a test pattern video |
| [17:01:56] | ** iamlindoro wonders if he should be worried :) ** | |
| [17:01:59] | iamlindoro: | ah, neat |
| [17:02:06] | iamlindoro: | That would be cool, thanks |
| [17:02:10] | jams: | it's simple but it might help |
| [17:02:33] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I am hoping to come up with something relatively pretty but I could almost certainly use the concepts/gray levels/etc. |
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| [17:03:17] | jams: | it's more for aspect and judder test. Doesn't do much for contrast adjustment |
| [17:03:37] | iamlindoro: | Got the e-mail, thanks |
| [17:03:39] | jams: | It was phase one of something I haven't had time to expand on |
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| [17:08:43] | jams: | shouldn't be hard to pick up what my plans for it are :) |
| [17:10:03] | iamlindoro: | I assumed it was for LinHES-- not so? |
| [17:10:16] | jams: | yeah it is |
| [17:10:23] | jams: | but if you can use it so be it |
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| [18:34:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, cool... I'm definitely on the 90% side |
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| [19:25:45] | elmojo: | I read on the user mailing list that the newest Dish boxes have network control... but I can't find anything out on the web about it... anyone know where this is being discussed? |
| [19:30:58] | iamlindoro: | mostly on the users list |
| [19:31:06] | iamlindoro: | the guy developed and publicized his script there |
| [19:31:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: huh? |
| [19:32:18] | sphery: | 90% of people who won't be buying 3dtv |
| [19:32:47] | wagnerrp: | 60 |
| [19:32:58] | wagnerrp: | but only 10% said they /would/ be |
| [19:33:06] | wagnerrp: | leaving 30% undecided |
| [19:33:25] | sphery: | well, I'm not in the 10% |
| [19:33:46] | darkdrgn2k3: | sphery: ill wait untill they dont need glasses |
| [19:34:29] | darkdrgn2k3: | i dont know how they can market them.. i walk into like the sony store.. and there. is a nice big 3d tv.... with a crisp picture..... well .. crist asside from the double vision that makes you go crosseyesd |
| [19:34:30] | sphery: | I'm more interested in 3d adding something to the viewing experience |
| [19:35:11] | sphery: | http://www.reghardware.com/2010/12/15/david_a . . . monsters_3d/ is a nice description of why I'm just not interested |
| [19:35:13] | wagnerrp: | steve adeff actually has an interesting concept there |
| [19:35:28] | sphery: | and FWIW, I love shows about dinosaurs and popular-sciency things |
| [19:35:34] | wagnerrp: | no clue how you could work that in |
| [19:35:53] | sphery: | I don't see why you'd want it |
| [19:36:00] | wagnerrp: | but some sort of plugin that recognized when you were playing sports, and picked up additional statistics to display on screen |
| [19:36:00] | sphery: | of course, I don't want it on my phones, either |
| [19:36:02] | sphery: | or desktop |
| [19:36:05] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: that was for directv... trying to decide between dish and directv... both have pros and cons... not sure which matters most to me |
| [19:36:32] | wagnerrp: | not something on all the time, but something you could pull up quickly |
| [19:36:34] | sphery: | elmojo: fwiw, it sounded like the http control is not necessarily more reliable than lirc/IR control |
| [19:36:44] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps an overlay mode for the 'info center' stuff |
| [19:36:47] | sphery: | and may chane with firmware changes |
| [19:38:13] | sphery: | elmojo: also, IIRC, a couple years ago, there was talk of DISH doing some deal with slingbox or similar that necessitated some type of network-based channel change, too |
| [19:38:40] | elmojo: | yes... I'll probably just use IR to control |
| [19:38:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: at this point, the only reason i would consider buying a '3dtv' is because all the higher end sets tend to include that just because they can |
| [19:39:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: exactly--that's the only reason I would get one... if the tv I want just happens to be 3d |
| [19:39:16] | sphery: | I won't buy a garbage tv just to get non-3d |
| [19:39:30] | sphery: | then again, I may go with a projector to replace my current tv |
| [19:40:30] | sphery: | elmojo: this is the sling thing: http://www.dishnetwork.com/tveverywhere/ |
| [19:40:32] | wagnerrp: | a projector is really going to require a dedicated, darkened room though |
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| [19:41:30] | sphery: | and http://www.gizmag.com/dish-network-slingbox-dvr/13764/ |
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| [19:42:13] | sphery: | heh, funny... the announcement was back in 2005 ("a couple years ago"), but they just rolled out the first implementation in Aug 2010 |
| [19:42:26] | sphery: | er, Jan 2010 |
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| [19:44:50] | sphery: | that said, I don't know of anyone who has figured out the how of the control system |
| [19:45:32] | typhoon: | Hi all, I was wondering if there was a way of offsetting all recording rules for 1 tuner. UK freeview and freesat broadcast with a 3 min difference :( |
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| [19:46:17] | wondra: | I've seen that today in the wishlist. |
| [19:47:13] | typhoon: | wondra: well it is nearly christmas :) |
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| [19:50:44] | sphery: | typhoon: no... closest you could get is creating "this channel" rules for anything you record off that tuner with a 3min start early (or -3min for start late) and appropriate end late, then make sure you use different channel call signs for those channels (so that the call sign is different from those used by channels on other tuners) |
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| [19:51:12] | sphery: | typhoon: and for anything you want to record on all channels, you would then create a 2nd "any channel" rule for the show |
| [19:51:37] | elmojo: | sphery: thanks, as always you have the answer :) |
| [19:52:20] | sphery: | elmojo: heh, maybe I have references to stuff, but really, no answer :) |
| [19:52:57] | wondra: | Greetings, I currently have a frontend/backend box with a tuner (under tv) writing to nfs (behind wardrobe). I have ACPI wakeup working. I would like to run another backend and the database on the nfs server, so that I can run transcoding on it and see which record is which in case I want to view something from another computer. The question is – will I be able to keep the mythwelcome, autoshutdown and alarm wakeup if I convert the machine (under tv) to a |
| [19:53:01] | sphery: | I dropped my DISH Network 4 years ago and have been OTA only since, so I only have peripheral knowledge of DISH stuff, now |
| [19:53:51] | sphery: | wondra: IRC message length limit cut you off after "if I convert the machine (under tv) to a" |
| [19:54:27] | wondra: | ..to a Slave Backend? |
| [19:55:42] | sphery: | wondra: You'd want to actually make the NFS box into the master backend and move capture cards to it. Then, you can make the frontend into a dedicated frontend and, if desired, run mythjobqueue on it to do additional commercial flagging and transcoding, etc., with the frontend box. |
| [19:55:53] | sphery: | in other words, we don't support tuner-less backends |
| [19:55:55] | sphery: | (yet) |
| [19:56:12] | typhoon: | sphery: bit of a pain, but thanks for the tip |
| [19:56:19] | wondra: | I've read several discussion threads saying it is possible. |
| [19:56:21] | sphery: | and only the master backend can be set up to serve files when the recording host is not running |
| [19:56:38] | sphery: | and the master backend must be available for all systems to use |
| [19:56:48] | sphery: | including remote backends |
| [19:56:56] | sphery: | wondra: things will break with a tunerless backend |
| [19:57:10] | wondra: | Yes, I want the master backend to server recordings and the TV guide for sheduling and wake up the other backend for recording |
| [19:57:16] | sphery: | do it right until we break the backend up into pieces that would allow you to run the master/control stuff on a system without tuners |
| [19:57:49] | sphery: | why do that? if your NFS box runs all the time, it sounds like the perfect system to use as a master backend |
| [19:58:04] | wondra: | yes, but the TV cables don't run to it. |
| [19:58:21] | sphery: | also, it has the benefit of local writes from the recording host (meaning less network utilization and one less point of failure (network)) |
| [19:58:41] | typhoon: | wondra: what specs does your nfs box have? |
| [19:59:16] | wondra: | behind wardrobe is an Intel Atom, 1GB RAM, 80GB disk. |
| [19:59:37] | wondra: | under tv is Pentium 3, 384MB RAM, 4BG disk |
| [19:59:53] | typhoon: | I would swap them round :) |
| [20:00:26] | wondra: | then I would have the one with more consumption and less power as general server :-P |
| [20:00:41] | wondra: | it also does routing, proxy, web, samba and whatever else. |
| [20:01:16] | typhoon: | ah, must have missed that |
| [20:01:23] | wondra: | what exactly would break if I had a tunerless backend? what if I gave it a dummy V4L device with no channel on it? |
| [20:02:03] | sphery: | wondra: using a dummy tuner is the only way to make it kind-of work |
| [20:02:30] | sphery: | but you would have to create a video source (using No Grabber) and a made-up channel |
| [20:02:58] | sphery: | otherwise, you have a defined, but not connected capture card, which can actually cause all your capture cards to fail |
| [20:03:26] | sphery: | I still say that physical reorganization is the best approach |
| [20:03:32] | wondra: | OK, then, would it be possible to have it wake up the machine with the tuner for recording? would mythshutdown work? |
| [20:03:40] | sphery: | yes and no |
| [20:03:55] | sphery: | you would have to use the 0.24+ remote backend shutdown/wake-on-lan |
| [20:04:11] | sphery: | mythshutdown is only for use on frontend machines and the master backend |
| [20:04:32] | wondra: | ..so I would need to upgrade from 0.23 as well. |
| [20:05:36] | sphery: | seems it's in 0.23, too |
| [20:06:06] | typhoon: | I've had a thought. I had mythback and frontend + squid proxy + samba + mythweb on my amd 3000+ sempron with 1gb ram. You could just ditch your P3 completely? |
| [20:06:26] | sphery: | that's a great solution, too |
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| [20:06:31] | wondra: | OK. thanks. I will make a backup, then install the other backend and if it breaks, add a dummy capture card. |
| [20:06:38] | sphery: | real computer that can be a combined frontend/backend/NFS server |
| [20:06:49] | sphery: | wondra: it will break |
| [20:07:02] | sphery: | wondra: if you do it, at least do the dummy capture card right away |
| [20:07:10] | sphery: | you won't necessarily notice the brokenness |
| [20:07:20] | sphery: | but believe me, it doesn't work--it wasn't designed to work that way |
| [20:07:56] | sphery: | and--I know this is hard to believe--but random users writing blogs on the internet do not necessarily understand MythTV better than its developers |
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| [20:09:06] | sphery: | and in the future, when we have mythbackend properly split up, you can then do you tunerless master |
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| [20:09:47] | typhoon: | if you created a "fake" tuner, wouldn't you need to tell myth that it's currently busy or something to force the recording onto the other server? |
| [20:09:59] | wondra: | that would be great for me. maybe I'll just move the database. I wonder if mythfs uses a backend.. |
| [20:10:07] | high-rez: | don't put any program data on the fake tuner ? |
| [20:11:09] | typhoon: | ah, yes |
| [20:11:10] | sphery: | typhoon: no, you'd use a video source that uses no grabber (so it has absolutely no listings data) and a fake channel so that no recording rule you ever create would match any "show" on the fake tuner |
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| [20:13:23] | typhoon: | sphery: sounds like a nasty thing to do. logically sound, illogical solution |
| [20:14:54] | sphery: | well, it's a hack to make mythtv work in a way it wasn't designed to work |
| [20:15:14] | sphery: | so the ultimate problem is using mythtv in a way it wasn't designed :) |
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| [20:16:20] | typhoon: | I still think wondra should just ditch her p3...I don't know what else they run on their atom box of course but... |
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| [20:16:44] | typhoon: | I ran everything on my amd 3000 for about a year with no problems |
| [20:17:48] | wondra: | I have a wireless card in the Atom, connected to a public network, it runs just about everything, is quiet and runs all the time. it would have power to spare. |
| [20:18:19] | wondra: | So I thought when I already have all movies and TV recordings on it, why not have also the metadata and possibility to do sheduling? |
| [20:18:56] | wondra: | the other PC is mainly for viewing (hence "under tv"). but it also has the TV cable nearby |
| [20:19:28] | wagnerrp: | typhoon: that AMD 3000+ is more powerful than the Atom and P3 combined |
| [20:19:46] | typhoon: | so why not go one step further? put the tuner and the frontend on it? its nice and quiet. You could have the backend listening on the cat5 and the public on wireless |
| [20:19:48] | wondra: | anyway – is there anything written that would enable me to connect metadata from the database with the recorded files? |
| [20:20:15] | wagnerrp: | wondra: eh? |
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| [20:20:37] | wagnerrp: | the scheduling metadata is defined for a specific recorded file |
| [20:20:42] | wagnerrp: | they cannot exist disconnected |
| [20:21:24] | wondra: | they do :-). metadata sits in the database and the file on the disk. and I think mythfs also needs a backend running |
| [20:21:25] | sphery: | wondra: you need to use the existing database... only change you need to make is to run mythtv-setup and change the master server IP address |
| [20:21:44] | sphery: | then define the new dummy tuner for the new master backend |
| [20:21:52] | wagnerrp: | what is this 'mythfs' you speak of? |
| [20:22:07] | wondra: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythfs.py |
| [20:22:10] | sphery: | there is mythlink.pl http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl |
| [20:22:17] | wagnerrp: | that requires a backend for everything |
| [20:22:19] | sphery: | but use your existing DB |
| [20:22:23] | wagnerrp: | it gets a file list from the backend |
| [20:22:27] | wagnerrp: | it streams the content from the backend |
| [20:22:32] | wagnerrp: | it will not function without the backend |
| [20:22:41] | sphery: | you don't want to do any broken "migrate recordings" thing that some guy on the Internet got Google to tell you to do |
| [20:23:14] | sphery: | also, mythlink.pl requires a running backend, but the links it creates will continue to exist after the backend is shut down |
| [20:23:38] | wondra: | ha. |
| [20:23:43] | wagnerrp: | theres no need to 'migrate recordings' anyway |
| [20:23:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, we just have to get Google to stop telling people to do that |
| [20:24:02] | wagnerrp: | just copy your database over to the new machines, and copy the files to a folder defined in the proper storage group on the new machine |
| [20:24:16] | sphery: | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source . . . amp;gs_rfai= , where the first result tells users how to break their DBs |
| [20:24:23] | wagnerrp: | if you are changing hostnames, the database backup utility can adjust the necessary fields |
| [20:24:53] | sphery: | but wondra won't be changing hostnames... the recording host stays the same, and all that's happening is there will be a new master backend |
| [20:25:09] | floppyears: | so I'm playing around with my internal antenna to get ota hd, if I point the antenna into different directions, I get a different set of channels and they aren't always the ame |
| [20:25:11] | wondra: | wagnerrp: that's what I wanted to do anyway, until I was told I need to drill a hole in the wall and lay 10m of coaxial cable. mythlink will do for now. |
| [20:25:14] | floppyears: | have you guys run into that problem? |
| [20:25:48] | wagnerrp: | floppyears: yes, most types of antenna have some amount of directionality |
| [20:25:52] | sphery: | and for that master backend, wondra should set "Master backend override" in mythtv-setup |
| [20:26:07] | wagnerrp: | the only omnidirectional antenna is a vertical whip |
| [20:26:29] | wondra: | floppyears: try to connect a TV first, position the antenna, then go on with HD :-) |
| [20:27:02] | wagnerrp: | floppyears: chances are you arent going to find conflicting signals in different directions |
| [20:27:02] | wondra: | what does master backend override do anyway? |
| [20:27:21] | sphery: | tells the master backend it can serve files when the remote backend is shut down |
| [20:27:23] | wagnerrp: | wondra: that tells the frontend to always pull video from the master backend |
| [20:27:26] | wagnerrp: | rather than the one that recorded it |
| [20:27:29] | floppyears: | wagnerrp: so how do you get around that? getting multiple antennas? or just picking the channels you want and using that direction? |
| [20:27:45] | sphery: | Master Backend Override: If enabled, the master backend will stream and delete files if it finds them in the video directory Useful if you are using a central storage location, like a NFS share, and your slave backend isn't running. |
| [20:27:49] | wagnerrp: | floppyears: you can get multiple antennas, and multiplex them together |
| [20:27:49] | wondra: | ah – so that's if I have centar storage. |
| [20:28:17] | sphery: | wondra: again, you're doing exactly the plan you had if you do the dummy tuner approach |
| [20:28:28] | floppyears: | thanks guys |
| [20:28:48] | wagnerrp: | floppyears: if you see an antenna set that is both a pair of bunny ears and a hoop, that is actually two different antennas stuck together |
| [20:28:53] | wagnerrp: | with their signals combined |
| [20:29:17] | sphery: | wondra: you move the DB to the always-on atom system, you set up a master backend on the always-on atom system... only thing different from your original plan is creating the dummy tuner |
| [20:29:23] | typhoon: | floppyears: either that or the house rabbit has collided with your TV |
| [20:29:44] | sphery: | and since that atom is about equivalent to the P3 in terms of performance, it shouldn't really be that much worse performance than before |
| [20:30:09] | wagnerrp: | if you see a panel antenna, those are typically multiple sets of antenna pointed in the same direction with the same length, such that their received signals have constructive interference |
| [20:30:53] | wagnerrp: | theyre effectively a dozen or mode 'bunny ears' tied together |
| [20:31:05] | wondra: | sphery: then I also have to write a wake-on-lan script and a cron job that somehow (mythshutdown?) tells if it's ok to shu down an does it. |
| [20:31:22] | wagnerrp: | and the way theyre tied together makes them a highly directional array |
| [20:32:15] | sphery: | wondra: ah, yeah the remote backend shutdown and wake-on-lan really only works on dedicated backend hosts |
| [20:32:32] | wondra: | sphery: the Atom, 1.6GHz, 2 threads, SSE3 is about twice as poweful as the P3, 950MHz in terms of handling video.. |
| [20:33:01] | sphery: | don't know what happens when you put a frontend on that remote backend |
| [20:33:19] | sphery: | wondra: maybe if it's an ION box--and if so, only because of the VDPAU |
| [20:33:35] | wondra: | no, only Xvideo on both. |
| [20:34:17] | sphery: | but since recording and mysql and mythbackend do not do any "handling" of video, the P3 and atom are probably about the same for performance |
| [20:34:38] | wondra: | but for transcoding, ffmpeg can use multithreading and SSE3. It should do more work per cycle than the P3 and has 1.6x higher frequency. |
| [20:34:44] | sphery: | mythbackend simply dumps a stream to disk (assuming you have a hardware encoder for analog capture or you use digital capture) |
| [20:35:16] | wagnerrp: | wondra: both the Atom and the P3 are pathetic in terms of video |
| [20:35:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: am I close on thinking they're about similar performance? |
| [20:35:38] | wagnerrp: | is this a single or dual core Atom? |
| [20:35:45] | wondra: | 1 core, 2 threads. |
| [20:35:48] | sphery: | (you know Intel chips much better than me) |
| [20:36:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, so that single core 1.6GHz Atom is maybe 30–50% better than that old P3 |
| [20:36:11] | wagnerrp: | not double |
| [20:36:23] | wondra: | OK. I'll settle for that :-) |
| [20:36:35] | wagnerrp: | and the increase in performance is more due to an increase in bus and memory, rather than raw CPU performance |
| [20:36:54] | wagnerrp: | in terms of raw CPU, theyre probably not that different |
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| [20:37:15] | sphery: | and the 1GB RAM on the Atom is definitely much better than the 384MB on the P3 |
| [20:37:20] | wagnerrp: | hyperthreading on the Atoms is complete garbage |
| [20:37:25] | typhoon: | i'm half tempted to install a backend on my netbook with a USB DVB dongle, just to see what happens |
| [20:37:33] | wagnerrp: | hyperthreading requires a very complex scheduler to do properly |
| [20:37:42] | wondra: | The Atom is a i686 design minus instruction preordering. |
| [20:37:51] | wagnerrp: | and the Atoms were made low power by effectively chopping off the entire scheduler |
| [20:37:55] | wondra: | for that it compensates by swithing the 2 threads. |
| [20:37:59] | wagnerrp: | theyre in-order |
| [20:38:09] | wagnerrp: | which means hyperthreading cannot be performed effectively |
| [20:38:20] | sphery: | short pipeline, though, right? |
| [20:38:26] | sphery: | at least compared to P4 |
| [20:38:36] | wondra: | P4 was extreme. |
| [20:38:45] | sphery: | yeah, NetBust |
| [20:38:50] | wagnerrp: | the Atom is basically a modernized P3 with no scheduler |
| [20:39:14] | sphery: | and a nice Core 2 or better would be a wonderful system :) |
| [20:39:28] | wagnerrp: | you get a modern bus and support for modern memory, but with on OOO execution, your performance goes to hell |
| [20:39:33] | wagnerrp: | s/on/no/ |
| [20:39:46] | sphery: | but the atom won't be worse than your current |
| [20:39:56] | sphery: | and the added memory will help |
| [20:40:04] | sphery: | 384MB for a combined frontend/backend is stretching it |
| [20:40:31] | wagnerrp: | 384 is enough for a standard def frontend, or an HD one if you arent doing a lot of graphics |
| [20:40:40] | wagnerrp: | 256 will no longer cut it for a frontend only |
| [20:40:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: really, though, even if it doesn't support OOo execution, that may not be a problem, now, with LibreOffice |
| [20:41:04] | sphery: | (joke, I know you mean Out-Of-Order, not OpenOffice.org) |
| [20:41:16] | wondra: | I had 256 in it before I found another module in school trash. it worked. |
| [20:41:21] | typhoon: | hahaha |
| [20:41:35] | wondra: | I have only mysql, X, Xfce and MythTV |
| [20:41:50] | wondra: | no swap thrashing. |
| [20:42:00] | wagnerrp: | i tested this a month or two ago, although i was using gnome instead of a lighter UI |
| [20:42:09] | sphery: | wondra: if you're not using the system for desktop use, you may want to consider a lightweight window manager, instead of a desktop environment |
| [20:42:16] | wagnerrp: | 384 (on my laptop) was fine, but with 256, i was hitting the swap pretty hard |
| [20:42:20] | sphery: | wondra: i.e. use RatPoison instead of Xfce |
| [20:42:27] | sphery: | or even fluxbox or twm |
| [20:42:35] | wagnerrp: | and that was at 1600x900 |
| [20:42:44] | wondra: | I really am not complaining. |
| [20:42:54] | sphery: | yeah, just a suggestion |
| [20:43:13] | sphery: | RatPoison will use on the order of 300kiB more RAM than using plain X |
| [20:43:23] | sphery: | Xfce uses more, but I don't have an actual number for it |
| [20:43:32] | sphery: | fluxbox uses 1MiB |
| [20:43:37] | wagnerrp: | xfce isnt bad, and its the mythbuntu default if you dont want to do a lot of extra configuration |
| [20:43:57] | sphery: | I'm guessing--with no measurements to back me up--Xfce is about 10MiB or so |
| [20:44:16] | wondra: | Just that the playback stutters 2 or 3 times whenever it decides to load EPG data and update the database. I thing the slow HDD I/O is the problem. maybe if I move the DB, it will stop. |
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| [20:44:24] | sphery: | and, yeah, Xfce is much better than GNOME... But, hey, since Ubuntu is dropping GNOME for Unity... |
| [20:44:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, maybe in five years |
| [20:44:54] | sphery: | wondra: yeah, mythfilldatabase is pretty resource intensive |
| [20:45:06] | sphery: | the Atom, with the extra RAM, will help with that |
| [20:45:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I hear it's in 2011 |
| [20:45:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Wayland may be about 5yrs out |
| [20:45:45] | sphery: | 11.04 may not have made the switch, but I hear 11.10 should have it completed |
| [20:46:37] | sphery: | or maybe in 11.04... http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/ . . . ntu-1104.ars |
| [20:46:56] | sphery: | http://ranjith.zfs.in/ubuntu-11-04-features-c . . . e-and-unity/ |
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| [20:47:22] | sphery: | will be interesting to see what mythbuntu does |
| [20:49:55] | typhoon: | heres my thought. My mythbox, ram 1.2 dual tuner. res: 40mb mythbackend 49mb mysqld. CPU is 0.7 0.3. I know my netbook works as a frontend. I believe it could run the DB and the backend too |
| [20:50:45] | typhoon: | my netbook is a Acer Aspire 1. first revision before windows tax, ram upgrade to 1.5gb |
| [20:51:19] | typhoon: | mythfill would probably eat it for 10 mins or so, but for day to day should be ok? |
| [20:51:27] | typhoon: | in theory? |
| [20:52:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: unity isnt their replacement X server? |
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| [21:06:46] | Baylink: | I see lots of old (ca 2007) traffic about messages like: "/usr/local/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x08465ef9 ***", but nothing recent. Of course, I never had those problems then, but now I am, with v26835 (.23.1/fixes). Is there a new known problem, or am I likely to have to beat on it to trace it? |
| [21:07:46] | Baylink: | (Installed from 0.23.1 RPMs on 32-bit SuSE 11.3 in July) |
| [21:07:49] | wagnerrp: | memory corruption generally means dead hardware |
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| [21:08:56] | Baylink: | Hmmm. This box is really pissy about booting either USB or CD for some reason; I've been wanting to memtest it, and can't easily. I know suse will let me patch it into grub and boot it, I'll try that. |
| [21:09:24] | Baylink: | It's also '04 vintage (MSI KT6V), so it's due for replacement; we're just real broke here. |
| [21:09:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, Wayland is replacing X. Unity is their replacement desktop environment. |
| [21:10:24] | sphery: | Baylink: I had a system where I'd get those. Turned out to be the mobo chipset overheating, causing memory corruption. |
| [21:10:39] | wagnerrp: | Baylink: check for blown caps on the power regulation circuity |
| [21:11:02] | wagnerrp: | personally, my tftpboot server has an image for memtest |
| [21:11:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro: also, since when is adding all the recordings you want to delete to a playlist and operating on the playlist a workaround? It seems the right way to handle deleting multiple shows (or changing the recgroup or ... for multiple shows) |
| [21:11:34] | wagnerrp: | although a KT6 may be too old to have a onboard NIC with built in boot chip |
| [21:13:54] | sphery: | Baylink: and since that's a vintage with a north bridge memory controller, chipset overheating could well cause memory corruption on it |
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| [21:15:10] | wagnerrp: | is it? i thought the KT6s were the first batch of VIA amd64 chips |
| [21:15:39] | sphery: | socket a |
| [21:15:41] | sphery: | http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&am . . . ;prod_no=567 |
| [21:16:04] | sphery: | unless I have a wrong mobo there |
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| [21:18:29] | rhpot1991: | RDV_Linux: I'm told you have a script somewhere for cutting commercials from hdpvr recordings |
| [21:20:55] | Baylink: | That's slightly newer, sphery; ours is an MS-7021, no raid. Ought to be the same chipset, though. I'm gonna call it accumulated thermal stress--she runs the room stupidly hot at times--and tell her its upgrade time. |
| [21:21:14] | Baylink: | Finding something with enough PCI slots won't be easy, though. |
| [21:22:55] | wagnerrp: | well... you have no choice but to buy new tuners then |
| [21:25:03] | sphery: | Baylink: I'd agree it's upgrade time... I had an Athlon XP 2400+ system with what was a high-performance mobo at the time I bought it. I rolled it down to work as my master mythtv backend, figuring it would be cheaper than buying new. Almost as soon as I did, I started having hardware failures. Eventually replaced chipset fans, CPU HS/Fan, memory, PSU, and finally mobo (this was the one where the chipset would overheat). ... |
| [21:25:09] | sphery: | ... Because I was buying old-generation replacement parts, the system ended up costing more than it would have cost to recycle the system and buy a new computer. |
| [21:25:39] | sphery: | not to mention the cost of running the system, versus a more-power-efficient modern system |
| [21:26:01] | wagnerrp: | at around 5 years, it becomes not worth spending a lot of effort trying to keep a machine running |
| [21:26:01] | sphery: | all that remains of that system, now, is the case (box) and the CPU |
| [21:26:14] | Baylink: | Yeah. But when you've been unemployed for 2 years, you ain't got *no* money, honey. :-) |
| [21:26:32] | Baylink: | I just myself got a job after 5 months; 3 weeks back. |
| [21:26:44] | Baylink: | I won't be spending anything on hardware for a while either. |
| [21:27:11] | sphery: | yeah, this was actually a Feb 2004 system that I made my master backend in Nov 2006 (so, a little under 3 years)--granted, those years were a major change in tech |
| [21:27:44] | sphery: | ah, yeah, the only down side is having to spend more than nothing :( |
| [21:28:06] | Baylink: | Yep. |
| [21:28:39] | sphery: | if nothing else, take my story as warning to at least step back and consider whether to keep chasing fixes--had I done so before replacing all those parts, I could have saved money overall |
| [21:28:46] | wagnerrp: | hehe... 'can 0.23 schema be used on 0.21' |
| [21:29:03] | Baylink: | Yup. |
| [21:29:04] | sphery: | forum? |
| [21:29:10] | wagnerrp: | forum |
| [21:29:13] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:29:26] | sphery: | someone who wants 0.23 features in 0.21? |
| [21:29:34] | wagnerrp: | the person is also concerned about losing the blootube theme and pvr-350 support |
| [21:29:42] | Baylink: | No, someone who wants to roll back because .23 has feature regressions, likely. |
| [21:29:46] | sphery: | I'm amazed how many people are actually still running 0.21-fixes |
| [21:30:07] | sphery: | I'll admit I'm still on 0.23-fixes, but only due to sheer laziness |
| [21:30:09] | Baylink: | See above. |
| [21:30:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, like the video preview |
| [21:30:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:30:27] | wagnerrp: | thats a breaker for me right there |
| [21:30:31] | wagnerrp: | 0.21 FTW! |
| [21:30:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and the world's greatest themes |
| [21:30:53] | sphery: | though everyone in their right mind knows that 0.18.1 is the most stablest of MythTV versions ever |
| [21:30:57] | sphery: | just ask f-m-u |
| [21:31:05] | sphery: | I wonder if he's still on 0.18.1 |
| [21:31:23] | sphery: | been almost a year since he last admitted to the version he was running |
| [21:31:30] | sphery: | could have upgraded in that time |
| [21:31:53] | kormoc: | it's f-m-u. As long as Uno is complaining about memory leaks, f-m-u will be running 0.18.1 |
| [21:32:04] | Baylink: | Playlists crash, mytharchive regressed nearly to death... |
| [21:32:11] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, likely |
| [21:32:21] | sphery: | I really doubt he has upgraded... he has "special needs" |
| [21:32:33] | Baylink: | I could get at least 3 more functional regressions if I had the energy to walk in and ask her. |
| [21:33:03] | sphery: | funny, though, that most of the "special needs/can't upgrade" crowd is using 0.21-fixes because no one had (at least last I knew) ported the satellite TV theft patches to current MythTV (thank goodness) |
| [21:33:08] | sphery: | I hope they never do |
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| [21:33:52] | Baylink: | The which patches, now? |
| [21:34:37] | wagnerrp: | ones for using DVB-S cards and softcams for accessing dish/direct |
| [21:34:52] | sphery: | some unofficial/unapproved patches that were distributed on the dark sides of the Internet that allowed running MythTV with sofcams |
| [21:35:07] | Baylink: | For allowing paying dish/direct customers to record the programs they're paying to receive? |
| [21:35:22] | sphery: | I had heard, though, that no one has yet hacked the new Dish encryption, so they can't do it, now |
| [21:35:34] | sphery: | Baylink: no, for allowing non-paying dish/directv thieves to steal service |
| [21:35:39] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I don't think it's a workaround at all, but it's faster just to challenge people to put their money where their mouth is |
| [21:35:44] | wagnerrp: | no, for allowing users to access them without subscriptions, using codes posted online |
| [21:35:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: agreed |
| [21:35:47] | Baylink: | Ah. Ok. Well, if they can't get their encryption right... |
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| [21:35:58] | Baylink: | It *is* broadcasting...' |
| [21:36:06] | sphery: | no, it's a service |
| [21:36:19] | Baylink: | I wouldn't do it, but I don't consider it immoral either. |
| [21:36:30] | sphery: | I do |
| [21:36:33] | wagnerrp: | Baylink: thats like saying your cellphone is a broadcast radio |
| [21:36:35] | Baylink: | "Service" operators chintz out on the encryption all the time. |
| [21:36:46] | wagnerrp: | people are perfectly within their right to capture and decrypt your phone calls |
| [21:36:57] | Baylink: | Well, I use CDMA on purpose, because it hasn't been cracked, and I don't see that it ever will be, so no. |
| [21:37:08] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:37:12] | Baylink: | I take responsibility for it myself. |
| [21:37:34] | kormoc: | Baylink, cracked? it's not encrypted, http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Microcell/C . . . cardinal.htm |
| [21:37:37] | Baylink: | And I do know what "chip rate" means, kormoc, so no, that's not an uninformed opinion. |
| [21:39:39] | sphery: | so, sounds like nagravision 3 may have been cracked... |
| [21:39:53] | iamlindoro: | sphery: says where? |
| [21:40:06] | sphery: | as far as I was willing to go was: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=has+ . . . amp;gs_rfai= |
| [21:40:43] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I think there are a lot of the same shady companies doing cardsharing stuff |
| [21:40:59] | sphery: | then again, those may all be malware sites trying to attract people with claims of free stealing info |
| [21:41:03] | iamlindoro: | ie, they have their boxes "phone home" for a key update and pull a key off a legit cam |
| [21:41:13] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [21:41:25] | iamlindoro: | TTBOMK there is no "wide open" crack like there was before, but don't know |
| [21:41:57] | sphery: | Bell TV has upgraded to Nagravision 3 as the new encryption standard, to prevent unauthorized access to pay TV channels. The only means to view Bell TV illegally is through IKS (Internet Key Sharing) devices which include NFusion FTA and the Slinger. Both devices are not hacks but only means of a workaround. Bell TV is currently working towards shutting down these types of devices. No known hacks exist for the Nagravision 3 ... |
| [21:42:03] | sphery: | ... protocol. |
| [21:42:05] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_TV |
| [21:42:08] | sphery: | like you said, IKS |
| [21:42:10] | sphery: | so, maybe not |
| [21:42:29] | iamlindoro: | Good |
| [21:42:32] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [21:43:50] | sphery: | and seems that dish finished transition to N3 in June 2009 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagravision ) |
| [21:45:18] | sphery: | wonder what directv is using... almost sounds like a "roll-your-own" encryption http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV |
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| [21:47:49] | AndyCap: | "DirecTV claims to have sued over 25,000 end users, including celebrity O.J. Simpson" Harr harr. :) |
| [21:47:51] | sphery: | guess it's videoguard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoGuard |
| [21:47:57] | iamlindoro: | And since it's DSS instead of DVB, there's less ease of stealing it |
| [21:48:24] | sphery: | is dish dvb? |
| [21:48:35] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [21:48:41] | AndyCap: | they were supposedly moving to dvb-s2? |
| [21:48:52] | iamlindoro: | Dish is DVB with a custom Turbo-FEC |
| [21:49:22] | iamlindoro: | Lots of people misconstrue the custom FEC and the fact that they are using H.264 with S2 |
| [21:49:32] | sphery: | see, they didn't discuss any of this on the Undercover Boss episode about Dish network |
| [21:51:14] | wagnerrp: | that the one where the employee was selling illegal satellite hookups? |
| [21:51:38] | Baylink: | kormoc: I don't see that that device actually lets you listen to calls, and yes, IS-95 is in fact encrypted. |
| [21:52:13] | Baylink: | At least, according to the Schneier CMEA attack paper. |
| [21:52:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: don't remember that happening there |
| [21:55:33] | kormoc: | Baylink, there is nothing in the standard about encryption. Different companies added extra layers that handle that for better or worse (or not at all) |
| [21:56:04] | sphery: | heh, seems it was DirecTV, not Dish network |
| [21:56:04] | kormoc: | Baylink, that device allows you to grab full data streams and thus you get to listen into 31 calls at once |
| [21:56:35] | kormoc: | depending on if the network (and specific towers) have encryption of course |
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| [21:59:00] | iamlindoro: | Undercover boss is going to have to up their game if they want to do another season |
| [21:59:22] | iamlindoro: | Since the "Hey, here are two guys competing for a job and a camera crew is going to be following them around" ploy isn't going to work again |
| [21:59:42] | iamlindoro: | I'm shocked it worked in the first place-- COMPETING for a job at Subway? |
| [21:59:48] | iamlindoro: | Just go GET a job at Subway |
| [21:59:50] | wagnerrp: | undercover boss goes undercover... at a LV brothel |
| [22:00:00] | iamlindoro: | Now we're talking |
| [22:00:34] | kormoc: | Not if it's Big Al's brothel.... |
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| [22:01:53] | Baylink: | karmoc: My reading of the feature set of that device is that it can lock up to a *base station*, assuming you're right there next to it, and perhaps it would let you listen to the call that that base station is engaged in, if any. |
| [22:02:09] | Baylink: | If you have any citations that it can be used for generic CDMA eavesdropping, I'd love to see them. |
| [22:03:03] | kormoc: | Baylink, I just knew a verizon tech a few years ago and he used something like that and it was all the calls in the clear |
| [22:03:05] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [22:03:14] | Baylink: | Remember that at any distance from the radio, CDMA drops below the background noise in strength... |
| [22:04:34] | Baylink: | Yeah; a carrier service monitor would be initialized with the carrier's chip key, and would probably be able to do that. It's also being operated by an employee of the licensee, who's *entitled* to do that for engineering purposes. Different attack surface, and one you can't reasonably avoid without EtE encryption. Why I'm waiting for Verizon's open-access LTE700 service... |
| [22:05:23] | kormoc: | he claimed at the time there was no chip keys. Verizon at the time operated entirely in the clear |
| [22:08:43] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [22:13:36] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to both run bash interactive, and give it a series of commands to run upon opening? |
| [22:14:53] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, interactively so it doesn't exit after the set commands finish |
| [22:14:54] | kormoc: | ? |
| [22:14:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [22:15:24] | wagnerrp: | i want to set up a mechanism for automatically mounting all the necessary disks, and chrooting into my build environment on gentoo |
| [22:15:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, bash --init-file file |
| [22:16:13] | wagnerrp: | no way to specify on the command line? |
| [22:16:22] | wagnerrp: | -i and -c dont play well together |
| [22:16:45] | kormoc: | not that I know of |
| [22:17:34] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if i could wrap it in python, and play some games with stdin/out/err |
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| [22:18:57] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/mjkGeAad |
| [22:19:10] | kormoc: | looks like you can export/etc and then run bash -i from that bash and get it working right |
| [22:19:45] | wagnerrp: | im talking about stuff like 'etc-update' |
| [22:19:59] | wagnerrp: | stuff youre supposed to run when transitioning into the chrooted environment |
| [22:20:04] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [22:20:24] | kormoc: | why can't you just put it into a file? |
| [22:20:38] | wagnerrp: | i could, but then i would have to have multiple files to pull this off |
| [22:20:40] | wagnerrp: | wheres the fun in that |
| [22:20:42] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [22:21:23] | kormoc: | heh, fair 'nuff |
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| [22:34:38] | Shadow__X: | how do i setup the recording rules to end late but also to record the next episode after |
| [22:35:10] | Shadow__X: | there was a burn notice marathon but when i had the schedule end late it only was going to record every other episode |
| [22:36:04] | wagnerrp: | there is a global softpadding set in seconds |
| [22:36:20] | wagnerrp: | the per-rule padding is hard, and set in minutes |
| [22:37:41] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: ok. I did have it set to end late but it did not want to record the next episode even though it was the same show and on the same channel |
| [22:38:47] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [22:39:15] | wagnerrp: | unless you have multiple tuners (physical or virtual), the hard per-rule padding will prevent back-to-back recordings on the same channel |
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| [22:39:53] | Shadow__X: | so i have to use the global softpadding? but wouldnt that add it to every recording |
| [22:40:03] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [22:41:01] | Shadow__X: | and that way if there are back to back eps it will record both |
| [22:41:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, but there will be no padding |
| [22:41:38] | wagnerrp: | because the tuner will be taken by the second recording |
| [22:41:57] | wagnerrp: | the soft padding only occurs if no other recording wants the tuner |
| [22:42:08] | wagnerrp: | where as the hard padding prevents any other recording from taking the tuner |
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| [22:52:01] | RDV_Linux: | rhpot1991: I personally use the Avidemux GUI to commercial cut hdpvr 720p recordings. iamlindoro wrote a script a long while ago that takes a MythTV commercial cut point info and turns it into a Avidemux project file. I may still have a copy of the script but I have not used it in well over a year. |
| [22:53:09] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: oh ok |
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| [22:55:57] | wagnerrp: | rhpot1991: are you looking for something for exporting videos? |
| [22:56:03] | wagnerrp: | or do you just want to cut the file size? |
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| [23:00:03] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: rhpot1991 asked a question "script somewhere for cutting commercials from hdpvr recording" |
| [23:01:09] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: i know |
| [23:01:35] | wagnerrp: | cutting the commercials out cleanly is hard |
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| [23:01:59] | wagnerrp: | cutting the commercials out roughly, and then fixing the cutpoints for playback in mythtv is fairly easy |
| [23:02:38] | sphery: | and hard drives are cheap (if space is the concern) |
| [23:02:48] | wagnerrp: | ive got a script set up to do the latter, using the internal mythffmpeg to rebuild the time codes for no external dependencies |
| [23:03:45] | sphery: | and, IMHO, if it's worth keeping, it's worth buying a real copy instead of the "whatever was broadcast" copy you recorded--with logos/ad overlays/breaking news/weather updates/election results/... |
| [23:04:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, but 30% savings for 10 seconds of UI time and 5 minutes of disk copying, is worth the effort |
| [23:04:26] | wagnerrp: | assuming youve already set up the cut points |
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| [23:04:39] | kormoc: | meh. Watch it and delete it |
| [23:04:40] | sphery: | not worth the effort if you're just going to delete it |
| [23:04:53] | kormoc: | Data goes poof! |
| [23:04:54] | sphery: | which I would--because anything worth keeping is worth buying a real copy of |
| [23:04:57] | wagnerrp: | true enough |
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| [23:05:18] | ** wagnerrp looks at his 3TB of saved, clipped recordings ** | |
| [23:05:47] | kormoc: | you're tempting fate! In the end, all data goes poof! The more data you have, the more tempted fate is to poof it for you! |
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| [23:05:53] | sphery: | besides just because you captured a broadcast for "time shifting" does not mean you own rights to that show :) |
| [23:06:24] | sphery: | kormoc: +1... for that reason, I have cut my critical data down to 8MB |
| [23:06:33] | sphery: | and it will likely go to about 4MB if I actually organize that |
| [23:07:03] | sphery: | and, yes, I do mean megabytes |
| [23:07:13] | kormoc: | nice |
| [23:08:02] | sphery: | my hdd fail on my mail server--on which I wasn't running any backups--proved my case that e-mail isn't critical data |
| [23:08:37] | sphery: | and nice that I no longer have those thousands of messages I'll never go through :) |
| [23:09:18] | sphery: | I also deleted my file server's contents about 2yrs ago with an accidental copy/paste |
| [23:09:53] | sphery: | but I have a feeling I'm taking things to an extreme most wouldn't be comfortable with |
| [23:22:14] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: looking to trim the filesizes down really, and don't want to reduce quality |
| [23:22:39] | rhpot1991: | RDV_Linux: ya I found the one that iamlindoro wrote, he said he thought you may have a newer version of it |
| [23:23:06] | rhpot1991: | script here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Iamlindoro |
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