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| [00:06:53] | kshots: | For the mythvideo plugin – is there a means of making subtitles readable (either increase font size or use dark background) in the internal player, or are we supposed to use the external player support? |
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| [00:17:45] | nutron: | it's amazing, newegg is more expensive than others, but I still use it to look at the stuff, they've got the best galleries. I feel like I need to buy something from them just for the bandwidth I waste ... |
| [00:19:31] | russell5: | lol usually i find new egg same price or less. but i always get the tiem in 1 day so i just buy it form there |
| [00:22:06] | nutron: | ncix does price matching online, so I hunt using shopbot and the other 4 or 5... it works out well for me. In one case here, I'm getting something $50.00 cheaper |
| [00:22:50] | kormoc: | newegg.ca is much more costly then newegg.com |
| [00:23:12] | kormoc: | and as a general rule, *.ca is much more costly then *.com |
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| [00:23:18] | nutron: | kormoc: yeah seems it, funny that it's almost parity for the dollhair |
| [00:23:20] | nutron: | true |
| [00:23:21] | nutron: | heh |
| [00:23:55] | nutron: | though selection is pretty amazing, picked up a foxconn barebone system for a frontend. $84.00 shipped |
| [00:24:20] | russell5: | yeah good point |
| [00:24:25] | russell5: | about .ca |
| [00:24:59] | nutron: | I can't find a dhp-307 kit any cheaper than 79.99, in canada or the states |
| [00:25:09] | nutron: | so I think I'm gettin' a pretty good deal there |
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| [00:31:02] | Beirdo: | heheh, oops |
| [00:31:09] | Beirdo: | cmd /c |
| [00:31:11] | Beirdo: | not cmd |
| [00:31:16] | Beirdo: | let's try this again |
| [00:31:41] | nutron: | eh? Is your brain gettin' mushy with the microsoft effect? |
| [00:31:53] | Beirdo: | no |
| [00:32:03] | Beirdo: | I'm trying to test some crap under Windows :0 |
| [00:33:08] | nutron: | :( |
| [00:33:39] | Beirdo: | well, gotta get it tested so I can (finally) get it merged into master |
| [00:34:07] | nutron: | the qt/myth system stuff? |
| [00:34:13] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [00:35:04] | nutron: | :( |
| [00:35:32] | nutron: | G/L to ya, hope its out of your hair soon :) |
| [00:35:43] | Beirdo: | aw man! |
| [00:35:56] | Beirdo: | I don't have gdb installed in my mingw setup |
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| [00:53:25] | Beirdo: | have I mentioned recently how much I hate debugging in Windows? :) |
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| [01:22:22] | Beirdo: | gettin pretty mad at windows here :) |
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| [01:34:55] | Beirdo: | OK, if I had built a debug build, it might have been simpler |
| [01:34:59] | Beirdo: | !trout |
| [01:34:59] | ** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo ** | |
| [01:36:32] | Beirdo: | let's just try this again without my head up my butt |
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| [01:40:46] | Beirdo: | gah gah GAH |
| [01:42:18] | Beirdo: | I have to rebuild Qt |
| [01:46:00] | wagnerrp: | has anyone here actually used windows media center? |
| [01:52:46] | Beirdo: | not me |
| [01:53:52] | Beirdo: | and now I rebuild qt 4.7.0 for windows... WITH --debug |
| [01:54:12] | Beirdo: | or -debug rather |
| [01:54:34] | Beirdo: | should take a few hours |
| [01:54:54] | Beirdo: | it returns from the first cmd /c call, sees the child exit |
| [01:55:00] | Beirdo: | then sits there doing squat |
| [01:55:15] | Beirdo: | and without a debug build, I have no clue where it's stopped |
| [01:56:04] | Beirdo: | and that's *after* finding ps -W under msys to do the equivalent of ps auxww in Linux |
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| [02:17:07] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: well, used it for a short period of time during the windows 7 beta. |
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| [03:11:08] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: what were the recording files named? |
| [03:11:18] | wagnerrp: | i mean the actual files, not how they showed up in the program |
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| [03:25:54] | ** Beirdo grumbles at Qt for taking hours and hours to build ** | |
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| [03:52:03] | Beirdo: | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/4.2.1-sjlj/libstdc++.a(stubs.o):(.text+0x160): multiple definition of `_powf' |
| [03:52:06] | Beirdo: | ./.obj/debug-shared/SVGLength.o:SVGLength.cpp:(.text$powf[_powf]+0x0): first defined here |
| [03:52:10] | Beirdo: | oh come ON |
| [04:06:13] | wagnerrp: | is it just me, or does running zfs-fuse sound like youre just asking for trouble? |
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| [04:13:07] | kormoc: | it's fine until you blow a fuse |
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| [04:17:07] | allenmelon: | hey, i have mythtv set up on linux, and im trying to use mythmote on the android market to control it |
| [04:17:20] | allenmelon: | it asks for a location name, where would i find that? |
| [04:18:29] | kormoc: | it's not something myth is involved with |
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| [04:22:21] | zoran119: | is there an easy way to clear all the meteadata for a directory in mythvideo? |
| [04:22:39] | Crys: | allenmelon: have you watched the video? |
| [04:22:54] | zoran119: | or a keyboard shortcut to clear the metadata for a particular video? |
| [04:22:57] | zoran119: | Crys: no |
| [04:23:28] | zoran119: | Crys: sorry... wasn't question for me... :) |
| [04:25:32] | Crys: | allenmelon: the name is just an arbitrary identifier for your own amusement. |
| [04:25:35] | Crys: | zoran119: yeah |
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| [04:55:33] | Beirdo: | OK, finally... |
| [04:56:26] | Beirdo: | Qt patched so it WILL compile in debug mode for mingw |
| [04:56:36] | Beirdo: | and finished recompiling Qt |
| [04:56:56] | Beirdo: | now to recompile my branch against it to try to debug in Windows. |
| [04:56:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:57:10] | Beirdo: | nothing like losing half a day... |
| [04:57:59] | Beirdo: | QString::arg: Argument missing: "Windows 5.5" , 1 |
| [04:58:05] | Beirdo: | that one makes me wonder too |
| [04:58:30] | Beirdo: | pretty sure that will cause issues with a debug build of Qt, so I'll find it soon :) |
| [05:03:22] | nutron: | I'd love to ... be supportive. But you're in winbloze land. Things blow up there, freeze and generally smell bad. I'm sorry Dave ... I can't do that. |
| [05:04:13] | Beirdo: | hey, it's not MY idea that we support the turd. |
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| [05:04:30] | Beirdo: | but if we are gonna be supporting it, the code needs to be tested there |
| [05:04:35] | nutron: | Hah, I know... |
| [05:04:39] | nutron: | aye |
| [05:05:12] | Beirdo: | Once I work out the little stupidities, it should work OK, in theory :) |
| [05:06:18] | nutron: | Do you get to leave smelly land then? |
| [05:06:24] | nutron: | =) |
| [05:06:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:06:43] | nutron: | Who's the maintainer for the windows port? |
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| [05:06:52] | wagnerrp: | isnt really one |
| [05:07:06] | Beirdo: | unfortunately |
| [05:07:12] | wagnerrp: | more the kind of thing that when you do something that breaks windows, someone will call you on it and hope you fix it |
| [05:07:14] | Beirdo: | and this is a chunk of new code |
| [05:07:25] | wagnerrp: | what is it... about 2K lines? |
| [05:07:27] | nutron: | Aye |
| [05:07:36] | Beirdo: | yeah, around 2k |
| [05:07:57] | nutron: | Can I get back on the perl stuff yet? Has the API been written/tested and comitted yet? =) |
| [05:08:05] | wagnerrp: | nutron: basically, a big managed process handler |
| [05:08:09] | nutron: | I got 2 weeks to tear through some fun stuff |
| [05:08:13] | Beirdo: | it's not behaving, but without the debug build... |
| [05:08:14] | wagnerrp: | API? |
| [05:08:22] | Beirdo: | API... |
| [05:08:31] | nutron: | Uhh. Did no one tell you? |
| [05:08:32] | nutron: | =D |
| [05:08:40] | Beirdo: | you waiting for the new JSON/XML/whatever API? |
| [05:08:42] | nutron: | brb nature is screaming at me |
| [05:08:52] | Beirdo: | I don't think we have any clue when that will be ready |
| [05:08:53] | nutron: | Yeah... |
| [05:08:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah... i prefer my connects be persistent |
| [05:09:00] | nutron: | I'm gettin' the feeling I may be waiting a while? |
| [05:09:14] | nutron: | ... |
| [05:09:16] | wagnerrp: | if i have a way to open a connection, and send/receive multiple messages |
| [05:09:16] | Beirdo: | or... just work on it now |
| [05:09:26] | Beirdo: | and then work on it again once the new stuff is in |
| [05:09:27] | wagnerrp: | im going to prefer that over a web based one _every_time_ |
| [05:09:29] | nutron: | ok now nature is hitting me with a bat... brb |
| [05:09:44] | wagnerrp: | now JSON over mythproto... i wouldnt mind that so much |
| [05:10:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, nothing says you can't have long lived http requests |
| [05:10:29] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: but its a single request, right? |
| [05:10:51] | kormoc: | doesn't have to be |
| [05:10:51] | wagnerrp: | i can only request additional data from the same initial query |
| [05:10:59] | wagnerrp: | i cant start a new query in the same active request |
| [05:11:22] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining |
| [05:11:59] | Beirdo: | hehe, you want our built-in server to really crap its pants :) |
| [05:12:33] | wagnerrp: | id rather not be passing large amounts of data strung together in GET requests |
| [05:12:36] | Beirdo: | I hope the replacement/fixed version is ready really soon |
| [05:12:54] | wagnerrp: | when your URL hits 500 characters, youre doing it wrong |
| [05:13:03] | Beirdo: | why not use POST? |
| [05:13:15] | kormoc: | or PUT |
| [05:13:19] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:13:26] | Beirdo: | let me guess... not supported yet |
| [05:13:50] | wagnerrp: | says POST should not be pipelind |
| [05:15:01] | kormoc: | there's nothing technical about POSTS being not allowed |
| [05:15:18] | wagnerrp: | well it says 'should not', not 'cannot' |
| [05:15:47] | Beirdo: | doubt we support pipelining as is though |
| [05:15:52] | kormoc: | it's purely just a recommendation because most people do stupid stuff like POST="delete the 5th row" and if it gets out of order with say a "Swap row 4 and 5", you can screw things up |
| [05:15:53] | Beirdo: | it might work |
| [05:16:01] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah |
| [05:16:15] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: protobuf isnt actually a connection protocol right? just a serialization mechanism like JSON/XML |
| [05:16:21] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [05:16:25] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [05:16:32] | Beirdo: | data payload protocol |
| [05:18:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, id love to see something better than blah[]:[]blah[]:[]blah |
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| [05:18:21] | wagnerrp: | but i think running everything over HTTP is just adding unnecessary complexity |
| [05:18:38] | clever: | i was thinking of adding QScript to themes, but it turned to be just too big of a project for me to start |
| [05:18:59] | Beirdo: | I think that JSON would be a good place to start, personally |
| [05:19:04] | clever: | it could still find other places to be used |
| [05:19:39] | wagnerrp: | json would be trivial to support in the python bindings |
| [05:19:48] | nutron: | I don't know why I allow myself to eat mcdonald's once every 6 months... |
| [05:19:59] | Beirdo: | json's fairly trivial for any language these days |
| [05:20:24] | wagnerrp: | (except bash) |
| [05:21:01] | Beirdo: | bash isn't a programming language, it's a shell script :) |
| [05:21:02] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, https://github.com/micha/jsawk |
| [05:21:06] | clever: | ive seen an irc client purely in bash, it can do more then you think |
| [05:21:27] | wagnerrp: | clever: it /can/, it /shouldnt/ |
| [05:21:34] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:21:47] | clever: | it can do alot, but there are easyer ways |
| [05:21:49] | wagnerrp: | theres an irc client in pure bash because someone was bored |
| [05:21:56] | wagnerrp: | not because one should actually use it |
| [05:22:16] | nutron: | heh... |
| [05:22:18] | Beirdo: | bored and too hard-headed to use a real language :) |
| [05:22:25] | wagnerrp: | most init systems are in bash or bourne |
| [05:22:33] | wagnerrp: | its certainly capable of complex things |
| [05:22:39] | wagnerrp: | its just painful to do so |
| [05:22:39] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:22:49] | nutron: | So this api is nowhere near fruition? I was made to believe that we were just waiting for a commit... from... uhh... I forget who. |
| [05:23:03] | wagnerrp: | cdev |
| [05:23:07] | nutron: | ahh right |
| [05:23:12] | nutron: | yep that's who |
| [05:23:35] | nutron: | really then? I can commit my core changes? or rather, send them to someone? |
| [05:24:19] | wagnerrp: | will this be a disruptive change to the existing perl scripts? |
| [05:24:27] | Beirdo: | we don't know when cdev will be committing anything |
| [05:24:42] | wagnerrp: | if so, i would get it close to completion before trying to get your stuff committed |
| [05:24:43] | nutron: | yep... basically tears the main module a new one... uhh |
| [05:25:12] | nutron: | I guess I should finish the data handling first then since it's only useful for basic things... like creating objects.. but they don't do anything yet. |
| [05:25:22] | allenmelon: | is there a way to watch mythtv live or recorded videos on my android phone? |
| [05:25:27] | nutron: | I stopped b/c I was told it'd be thrown out |
| [05:25:37] | wagnerrp: | allenmelon: mythdroid? |
| [05:26:02] | wagnerrp: | nutron: i think the recordedfile stuff will be considerably more disruptive than any http stuff |
| [05:26:22] | wagnerrp: | the frontend currently runs entirely over mythprotocol |
| [05:26:31] | wagnerrp: | so you can rest assured its not going anywhere any time soon |
| [05:26:35] | nutron: | allenmelon: yes, vlc .. |
| [05:26:38] | allenmelon: | i cant find a mythdroid on android market |
| [05:26:42] | nutron: | oh and mythdroid possibly, haven't tried it |
| [05:27:10] | wagnerrp: | http://code.google.com/p/mythdroid/ |
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| [05:27:28] | allenmelon: | thanks |
| [05:28:07] | nutron: | wagnerrp: yeah it's all recorded file stuff, I still don't know how to handle the back/front split, but when I was looking at it I was gently learning crazy python! |
| [05:29:05] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
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| [05:29:25] | wagnerrp: | you really shouldnt bother messing with the frontend just yet |
| [05:29:37] | nutron: | well, as I was going through it, i wanted to provide controls for the frontend |
| [05:29:43] | wagnerrp: | the frontend control socket pretty well detached from the rest of the system |
| [05:29:47] | nutron: | mmkay |
| [05:30:28] | wagnerrp: | at least in python, it only mixes with the rest of the bindings at three points |
| [05:31:02] | wagnerrp: | the shared UPNP search code, the port pull from the database, and the _playOnFe() method in a couple of the classes |
| [05:31:43] | wagnerrp: | its really its own independent entity at the moment |
| [05:32:10] | nutron: | right, I remember the _playOnFe |
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| [05:33:21] | nutron: | Well all I've got is the core done, that's where I stopped. Provides system info, module availability, sanity checks (port discovery) and objects that don't do anything when it comes to data. I asked about semantics and was told the API will overtake what's there. |
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| [05:34:53] | nutron: | a'ight well if it's not being mucked with, i'll get back to it |
| [05:37:53] | Beirdo: | it will... sometime |
| [05:38:21] | Beirdo: | but we don't know when, so if you don't mind reworking stuff, feel free to truck on ahead |
| [05:39:03] | nutron: | heh, it's better if I do _something_ than nothing. |
| [05:39:20] | nutron: | Now I just have to figure out git... as the last time I checked out anything it was with svn |
| [05:39:23] | Beirdo: | hehe, I would tend to agree, but it's your spare time :) |
| [05:39:24] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, i was given the same warning about the recordedfile stuff when writing the python bindings over a year ago |
| [05:39:44] | nutron: | wagnerrp: really? eff... |
| [05:39:45] | ** wagnerrp pokes sphery ** | |
| [05:43:11] | Beirdo: | perv :) |
| [05:43:48] | ** wagnerrp pokes sphery with his 'recorded file' ** | |
| [05:43:56] | nutron: | no one makes a low pro am2/3 compatible heatsing with a 4pin pwm fan? |
| [05:44:22] | wagnerrp: | what makes a fan 'pwm' |
| [05:45:44] | Beirdo: | pwm speed control |
| [05:45:47] | wagnerrp: | 'pwm' is just a form of managing duty cycle |
| [05:45:47] | nutron: | fourth pin |
| [05:46:04] | wagnerrp: | if you want to control the speed of the fan, you either drop the voltage or you pulse it |
| [05:46:08] | nutron: | yeah pulse width modulation... much like anti-lock brakes :) |
| [05:46:18] | wagnerrp: | some fans cant start or dont run right with reduced voltage |
| [05:46:23] | nutron: | aye |
| [05:46:27] | wagnerrp: | but pulsing works just fine |
| [05:46:29] | Beirdo: | right, that's why you use PWM |
| [05:46:30] | nutron: | hence my "want" for a pwm fan |
| [05:46:36] | wagnerrp: | and it has nothing to do with a 3rd or 4th pin |
| [05:46:47] | Beirdo: | yes it does |
| [05:46:49] | wagnerrp: | the power signal coming from the motherboard is pulsed |
| [05:46:50] | nutron: | the mobo controls the pwm based on temp |
| [05:46:55] | wagnerrp: | you can do it just fine on 2-pin |
| [05:47:03] | nutron: | you're right |
| [05:47:09] | nutron: | but somehow, a fourth is required :/ |
| [05:47:24] | nutron: | don't ask me why |
| [05:47:26] | Beirdo: | the way they are designed, they use a separate modulation control, not modulate the power |
| [05:47:39] | wagnerrp: | i do PWM just fine on my old DFI board |
| [05:47:41] | nutron: | :o they do? |
| [05:47:52] | wagnerrp: | its a noisy 40mm 2-pin northbridge fan |
| [05:48:14] | Beirdo: | you *can* do it with 2, but they seem to like to make them with a separate signal |
| [05:48:23] | wagnerrp: | thats retarded |
| [05:48:25] | Beirdo: | not sure why, off-hand |
| [05:48:28] | wagnerrp: | it just makes for more expensive fans |
| [05:48:46] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it makes the circuitry on the mobo easier |
| [05:48:56] | Beirdo: | and fans are cheap |
| [05:49:11] | nutron: | hmm I just found a 80mm pwm fan for 5 bucks. That works... now to find a heatsink that I can attach it to |
| [05:52:13] | nutron: | and.. is ball bearing better than fluid dynamic? |
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| [05:52:21] | nutron: | Always wondered the diff in lifespan |
| [05:52:39] | wagnerrp: | ive heard FDB were better in all aspects |
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| [05:53:21] | nutron: | aye.. ok |
| [05:53:38] | wagnerrp: | ive still got a 120x38mm FDB panaflo running non-stop since the end of 2005, silent as the day i bought it |
| [05:53:50] | nutron: | that bumps up my fan cost to $20 .. it now has to last forever at that price |
| [05:53:59] | nutron: | wow |
| [05:54:01] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [05:54:09] | Beirdo: | $20 has to last forever? |
| [05:54:15] | nutron: | heh :) |
| [05:54:30] | nutron: | well in comparison to a $5 ball bearing pwm fan.. yes :) |
| [05:54:30] | wagnerrp: | while my HSF from two years ago, and VGA fan from last year, are both noisy and failing |
| [05:55:12] | nutron: | yeah I hate fans on video cards |
| [05:55:51] | wagnerrp: | i swear, crapa** coolers on video cards are what is going to finally push me to water cooling |
| [05:55:58] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [05:56:06] | Beirdo: | craptacular :) |
| [05:56:13] | wagnerrp: | they still use those tiny piece of junk fans |
| [05:56:18] | wagnerrp: | and there is no sign of change |
| [05:56:48] | wagnerrp: | seriously... just get rid of the fan all together |
| [05:56:51] | Beirdo: | they know you'll buy a new video card every 2 years or something anyways |
| [05:57:16] | wagnerrp: | require case manufacturers to provide ducting that fits across the PCIe slots |
| [05:57:16] | nutron: | I've replaced all of my video card coolers... makes me want to keep them longer |
| [05:57:35] | nutron: | across? I don't get it |
| [05:57:58] | wagnerrp: | ever seen how servers are set up with CPUs? |
| [05:58:03] | nutron: | yep |
| [05:58:05] | wagnerrp: | they havent used CPU fans for a decade |
| [05:58:11] | Beirdo: | ever heard how loud they are? |
| [05:58:14] | nutron: | heh |
| [05:58:15] | nutron: | yep |
| [05:58:15] | wagnerrp: | they just have a bare heatsink and a duct |
| [05:58:30] | wagnerrp: | thats just because no on cares about noise |
| [05:58:42] | Beirdo: | why would you in a data center :) |
| [05:58:54] | wagnerrp: | im serious |
| [05:59:03] | Beirdo: | so am I |
| [05:59:04] | nutron: | I really think that if you have a mid tower + case, change the vid cooler to passive, and mount a 120mm fan perpendicular to the card... it works amazing |
| [05:59:05] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:59:06] | wagnerrp: | take the heatsinks they use on the tesla/fermi cards |
| [05:59:15] | wagnerrp: | strap it onto a mainstream graphics card |
| [05:59:23] | wagnerrp: | and duct the intake fan through it |
| [05:59:27] | Beirdo: | and yes, I'm quite acquainted with how servers are built :) |
| [05:59:34] | wagnerrp: | problem solved |
| [05:59:44] | Beirdo: | yeah, that would raise the cost of cases, etc significantly |
| [05:59:49] | Beirdo: | which is bad for sales |
| [05:59:56] | wagnerrp: | oh come on |
| [06:00:07] | nutron: | the last intel ones I got are crap, and I've learned to hate intel... so now I hate... microsoft, apple, and intel. I'm starting to see a pattern |
| [06:00:13] | wagnerrp: | the people who are buying graphics card that need such measures are already spending a big chunk on a computer case |
| [06:00:15] | Beirdo: | people are uber-cheap |
| [06:00:43] | nutron: | <-- needs a $20 fan with a lifetime warranty |
| [06:00:44] | Beirdo: | dangit, why isn't the oven heated yet?! |
| [06:00:52] | wagnerrp: | im cheap, but im still reluctant to spend less than $100 on a computer case |
| [06:01:26] | wagnerrp: | i spent $40 on one once, and it was a piece of junk |
| [06:01:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:01:32] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:01:40] | wagnerrp: | learned my lesson well |
| [06:02:08] | ** wagnerrp looks over at his stack of P180s ** | |
| [06:02:57] | nutron: | http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42 . . . ic%20Cooling do you guys know if this will fit a standard low-pro micro-atx case? I can't find the measurements :/ |
| [06:03:05] | nutron: | antec? |
| [06:03:48] | nutron: | nevermind |
| [06:03:51] | nutron: | I found the height |
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| [06:05:19] | wagnerrp: | the stock sink AMD processors come with should be better than that |
| [06:05:40] | nutron: | no pwm :/ I'm trying to make it quiet |
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| [06:05:59] | wagnerrp: | the stock sink AMD processors come with should be quieter than that |
| [06:06:13] | wagnerrp: | at least the last three ive gotten have all had decent fans |
| [06:06:32] | nutron: | I'm repurposing an old x2 4000+ for a few |
| [06:06:39] | nutron: | err s/few/fe/ |
| [06:06:50] | wagnerrp: | that fan has no duct |
| [06:06:54] | nutron: | and the old cooler is noisy as .. eff |
| [06:07:00] | wagnerrp: | what kind of mouth breather builds a fan with no duct |
| [06:07:09] | nutron: | Hah, I think that's on purpose |
| [06:07:14] | wagnerrp: | half of the airflow is just going to blow out the sides |
| [06:07:17] | wagnerrp: | whats the point? |
| [06:07:52] | nutron: | noise reduction and better flow probably |
| [06:08:07] | nutron: | but you're right, half the airflow's probably gonna hit other components |
| [06:08:09] | wagnerrp: | no, its air not flowing over the heatsink |
| [06:08:11] | wagnerrp: | its waste |
| [06:08:34] | nutron: | I'm reading a review on it, I'll let ya know |
| [06:08:42] | wagnerrp: | and the air isnt going to flow around the heatsink, so its not gonna hit other components |
| [06:09:10] | ** wagnerrp is a rocket scientist ** | |
| [06:09:17] | ** wagnerrp should be trusted on this one ** | |
| [06:09:24] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [06:11:24] | nutron: | hah, I believe ya, but they have to have a good reason to do so... (is what I think) |
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| [06:11:34] | wagnerrp: | no, they dont |
| [06:11:46] | wagnerrp: | there is no purpose to build a fan like that |
| [06:12:10] | wagnerrp: | at least the unducted zalmans and intels put fins around to use that side exhausted air |
| [06:12:15] | wagnerrp: | this? its pointless |
| [06:12:29] | wagnerrp: | it just cuts the efficiency of the fan |
| [06:12:35] | wagnerrp: | making it run faster and louder |
| [06:13:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, nah, it's to make it run quieter |
| [06:13:22] | nutron: | hmm but it's 13 bux!!! :) don't make me buy a scythe, i'm anti hentai |
| [06:13:23] | kormoc: | fan x at z rpm vs that fan at z rpm, that fan is quieter |
| [06:13:41] | wagnerrp: | because it doesnt have to fight the head pressure of that heatsink |
| [06:13:50] | wagnerrp: | because all the air flows out the side and does nothing |
| [06:13:54] | wagnerrp: | meaning its not colling |
| [06:14:22] | k_ross: | wagnerrp: i'm not a rocket scientist, so please forgive my ignorance. but you say 50% of the airflow is wasted out the side? if i buy a fan at walmart, the kind for cooling people, not CPUs, they come with a plastic cage around the fan, no duct or shroud. i put my hand in front of the fan, and feel lots of air flow, to the side, i feel almost none. |
| [06:14:43] | wagnerrp: | because of the aspect ratio |
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| [06:14:58] | wagnerrp: | higher aspect ratio means less loss out of the sides |
| [06:15:18] | nutron: | aspect ratio is the blade angle right? |
| [06:15:19] | wagnerrp: | when you have low aspect ratio, like on a small stubby fan like the, you make up for the losses by shrouding it in a duct |
| [06:15:37] | wagnerrp: | aspect ratio is blade width vs. blade chord |
| [06:15:47] | wagnerrp: | stubby blades are low aspect ratio |
| [06:16:32] | wagnerrp: | k_ross: the big walmart fan is also going to have an elliptic blade, which is the ideal shape for reducing such losses |
| [06:16:41] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to a square one like this |
| [06:17:42] | k_ross: | btw, i'm not arguing, just learning :) |
| [06:18:26] | wagnerrp: | basically, the reason gliders have such long, narrow wings is to increase the aspect ratio and reduce these tip losses |
| [06:19:00] | wagnerrp: | its the same thing that works in propellers, and fans |
| [06:19:13] | wagnerrp: | short, fat wings and blades increase the losses |
| [06:20:09] | wagnerrp: | and when youre trying to pump against an obstruction, ducting is absolutely critical |
| [06:20:57] | k_ross: | that part, my non-aeronautically-trained mind can understand :) |
| [06:21:38] | Crys: | Also you want a fan with a large diameter. A large fan at low speed has the same air throughput as small fan at high speed. Low speeds means less turbulence and less noise. |
| [06:21:45] | nutron: | Why does intel then use the same fan design? |
| [06:21:52] | Crys: | It's cheap. |
| [06:22:09] | nutron: | That can't be why... |
| [06:22:13] | wagnerrp: | because intel doesnt have the same fan design |
| [06:22:22] | wagnerrp: | the replace the ducting with more fins |
| [06:22:31] | wagnerrp: | that air which would be otherwise lost still flows over the heatsin |
| [06:23:04] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, its the same thing with the zalman 'orbs' |
| [06:23:05] | nutron: | more fins on the heatsink or the fan? |
| [06:23:17] | Crys: | It looks similar, the fan is on the top of the heat sink and doesn't blow the air parallel to the surface of the die. |
| [06:23:42] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind, i thought the intel fans sat within the heatsink |
| [06:24:57] | wagnerrp: | heres what i was thinking of... http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=23473 |
| [06:24:59] | nutron: | the only advantage I see with the intels is that the fins on the heatsink are curved to match the rotation of the fan... hence probably blowing some air towards other components.. otherwise, same design I believe |
| [06:25:03] | Crys: | mmh, I'm not sure here. For our servers we always replace the standard CPU heat sink with a better version. |
| [06:25:33] | nutron: | wagnerrp: yeah I have one of those too, you're right on that one |
| [06:27:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i see the same issue with the intel stock heatsinks |
| [06:27:27] | nutron: | not that you're wrong on the other one heh... I just figured if others own this, it must work ok |
| [06:27:34] | wagnerrp: | and their performance is predictably awful |
| [06:27:40] | Crys: | If you have enough space and want something quiet I suggest something like http://images.icecat.biz/img/norm/low/3556456-1136.jpg |
| [06:28:07] | wagnerrp: | he seems to be looking for low profile |
| [06:28:09] | nutron: | Crys: that's what I have in my main desktop, I'm looking for a flat low pro heatsink with pwm |
| [06:28:24] | wagnerrp: | something like this would be better... http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38007 |
| [06:28:44] | nutron: | the scythe shuriken looks good, but the size of the fan peeves me off, it's non-standard |
| [06:28:55] | nutron: | oh heh |
| [06:29:01] | Crys: | you can get into trouble with RAM banks |
| [06:29:05] | nutron: | that's funny, I was looking at that one first |
| [06:29:23] | nutron: | with the other one? that tall 120mm one? |
| [06:29:25] | Crys: | some mATX boards have their RAM slots near the CPU |
| [06:29:57] | Crys: | But it should be an issue with the shuriken unless you have RAM with cooling fins. |
| [06:30:58] | nutron: | Crys: well I don't want it due to the fan.. I can't readily buy a replacement fan for it... |
| [06:31:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im not too happy with the scythe bb fan on my desktop |
| [06:31:36] | Crys: | I see your point |
| [06:31:37] | nutron: | noisy? |
| [06:31:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 2 years and the ball bearings are getting noisy |
| [06:31:57] | wagnerrp: | was great when i bought it |
| [06:32:01] | wagnerrp: | not so much these days |
| [06:32:01] | Crys: | 100x100x12 isn't a regular size. |
| [06:32:19] | wagnerrp: | of course i could just remove the thing and not suffer a big hit in heat |
| [06:32:37] | wagnerrp: | its in the top corner of my case, and ive got two case fans not two inches from it |
| [06:32:54] | nutron: | ahh, yeah you're probably good |
| [06:33:03] | nutron: | I'm on a quiet/low power kick these days |
| [06:33:48] | nutron: | http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=27878& . . . ic%20Cooling putting one of these on my 9600 |
| [06:34:20] | wagnerrp: | i was looking at one of those for my 9800 |
| [06:34:25] | wagnerrp: | newegg had it for $18 |
| [06:34:36] | nutron: | yeah price matching ncix to 19 |
| [06:35:12] | nutron: | kinda looks like its either the shuriken or the arctic cooling one |
| [06:35:23] | nutron: | gah! I'll hate you when the fan dies on the shuriken |
| [06:35:26] | nutron: | =D |
| [06:35:39] | wagnerrp: | cant go wrong with a thermalright... http://thermalright.com/products/index.php?ac . . . 27&id=99 |
| [06:36:37] | wagnerrp: | ive got an older model of that in one of my systems |
| [06:37:00] | nutron: | the s 120? |
| [06:37:16] | wagnerrp: | a 90C and a 120 |
| [06:37:33] | nutron: | yeah, wish I could still buy one today |
| [06:37:36] | wagnerrp: | the 120 is designed like this, the 90 was a more traditional solid heatsink |
| [06:38:07] | nutron: | yeah I had a 90, sold it accidentally when i left it on the motherboard when it sold |
| [06:38:20] | nutron: | I bet the guy doesn't even realize what a steal he got :P |
| [06:41:03] | wagnerrp: | and best of all, they have not yet made a product with LEDs |
| [06:41:05] | wagnerrp: | classy all around |
| [06:41:24] | nutron: | aye, agreed |
| [06:42:20] | k_ross: | this is the low profile cooler i use, works reasonably well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835220030 |
| [06:44:55] | nutron: | k_ross: oh wow, I missed that one |
| [06:45:11] | nutron: | from the four holes I assumed it was lga-xxxx |
| [06:46:27] | wagnerrp: | heres what you need, screw the heatsink... http://www.newark.com/sanyo-denki/9cr1212p0g0 . . . n/dp/96M1718 |
| [06:47:17] | k_ross: | 7.2A, and 70 dbA? |
| [06:47:33] | nutron: | hah 7.2amp... |
| [06:47:52] | nutron: | that's a crazy fan :o |
| [06:48:04] | wagnerrp: | im going to /hope/ thats the startup amperage |
| [06:48:32] | wagnerrp: | (its actually two fans) |
| [06:48:35] | nutron: | that thing's super thick too |
| [06:53:28] | Crys: | 70dbA? That's louder than my TV at normal setting. |
| [06:53:58] | jya: | anyone can point me to the wiki page on how to play BD natively in myth? |
| [06:54:07] | jya: | just put a BD drive on my pc |
| [06:54:31] | k_ross: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/High_Definition_Disk_Formats |
| [06:54:44] | Crys: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Bluray |
| [06:55:18] | wagnerrp: | its the same page |
| [06:55:30] | k_ross: | heh, i thought there was a new page, but i just went to it and it was a redirect ;) |
| [06:55:34] | Crys: | jya: If you are hoping for simple playback or plug 'n play: welcome to real life, DRM sucks |
| [06:55:53] | jya: | well, I understand that it won't be that simple |
| [06:56:05] | jya: | but I'd like to avoid ripping a disk before being able to play it |
| [06:56:10] | wagnerrp: | basically, you just need libaacs installed, and a populated ~/.mythtv/KEYDB.cfg |
| [06:56:31] | jya: | I got aacskeys |
| [06:57:09] | Crys: | Does even ripping work for the latest disks? |
| [06:57:19] | wagnerrp: | and you have to use mythavtest manually, as there is no internal mechanism to call it yet |
| [06:57:30] | wagnerrp: | Crys: nothing BD+ currently works |
| [06:57:39] | jya: | ah :( can do simply Play DVD ort something? |
| [06:57:57] | Crys: | Which are probably 99% of all disks these days? |
| [06:58:49] | wagnerrp: | jya: you could make your own menu entry to call mythavtest |
| [06:58:56] | wagnerrp: | but 'play dvd' isnt yet set up to handle it |
| [06:59:03] | jya: | ok... |
| [06:59:10] | jya: | mythavtest isn't too bad I guess |
| [06:59:26] | jya: | I remember reading a very detailed wiki entry written by iamlindoro |
| [06:59:31] | jya: | but can't find it now :( |
| [06:59:39] | wagnerrp: | the one listed above |
| [06:59:47] | wagnerrp: | second to last entry in the TOC |
| [06:59:55] | jya: | or maybe it was this one |
| [06:59:55] | jya: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/High_Definition_Disk_Formats |
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| [07:00:06] | wagnerrp: | yes, the one listed above... :) |
| [07:00:13] | wagnerrp: | twice, in fact |
| [07:00:20] | jya: | ah :) |
| [07:00:23] | jya: | missed it |
| [07:00:33] | jya: | so aacskey *is* libaacs? |
| [07:01:26] | jya: | is there a *universal* KEYDB.cfg with most keys out there? |
| [07:01:43] | jya: | gosh, they like to make genuine need hard |
| [07:03:11] | jya: | how can I tell what encryption a disk is using? |
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| [07:05:15] | Crys: | wagnerrp: How many modern BD disks can be played back on Linux? Most or just a few? |
| [07:07:56] | wagnerrp: | dont know, never tried |
| [07:08:11] | wagnerrp: | i just rip everything to hard drive using anydvd |
| [07:08:15] | jya: | Crys: my understanding was that any BD up to last year worked |
| [07:08:25] | jya: | that what I was told, but I never actaully tried |
| [07:08:39] | jya: | I actually just want to try something for testing the new audio code |
| [07:08:50] | jya: | I've noticed an issue with one of the sample on the ffmpeg site |
| [07:09:01] | jya: | I have that exact same disk, I just want a longer sample |
| [07:09:37] | Crys: | So I have to buy a BD player someday. Here in Europe some BD disks are longer and cheaper than DVDs. |
| [07:10:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theyre pretty regularly down under $10 here now |
| [07:10:30] | [R]: | longer... |
| [07:10:32] | [R]: | that's what she siad |
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| [07:12:06] | ** Beirdo gives Windows the evil eye ** | |
| [07:12:11] | jya: | I read in the wiki that DTS-HD MA is supported by ffmpeg? |
| [07:12:31] | jya: | I don't think so... it only ever extract the dts core part |
| [07:12:34] | wagnerrp: | playback of the DTS core probably |
| [07:12:56] | jya: | I wouldn't have bothered that much if it could decode it.. lpcm is just fine. |
| [07:13:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, anything that will accept DTS-HD MA should support the same content over lpcm |
| [07:13:50] | jya: | actually, they will accept 7.1 LPCM before anything else |
| [07:14:01] | jya: | LPCM 7.1 is compulsory under the BD scheme |
| [07:14:09] | jya: | DTS-HD MA isn't. |
| [07:14:32] | jya: | so a BD player must even have the ability to decode DTS-HD MA and output 7.1 lpcm |
| [07:14:47] | jya: | should the amplifier not support it |
| [07:15:47] | wagnerrp: | any method marked 'static' in a class cannot access any class members, right? |
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| [07:16:49] | jya: | wagnerrp, it depends |
| [07:17:04] | jya: | if it was passed a pointer to an instance |
| [07:17:05] | jya: | it could |
| [07:17:25] | jya: | but otherwise, it can only access other static member |
| [07:17:35] | wagnerrp: | but then its accessing the instance, not itself |
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| [07:17:44] | jya: | that's right |
| [07:17:49] | wagnerrp: | ok, so it behaves just like '@staticmethod' in python |
| [07:17:54] | jya: | because a static function, doesn't have a "itself" |
| [07:18:09] | jya: | brb |
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| [07:23:04] | ** Beirdo scratches his head ** | |
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| [07:40:40] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [07:40:42] | Beirdo: | found it |
| [07:40:47] | Beirdo: | forgot an unlock |
| [07:41:33] | [R]: | that's what she said...' |
| [07:41:46] | Beirdo: | ah, shutty |
| [07:41:53] | [R]: | haha |
| [07:44:41] | [R]: | i thought you said slutty at first |
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| [07:45:18] | Beirdo: | FINALLY |
| [07:45:34] | Beirdo: | missing one stupid unlock can really mess crap up :) |
| [07:46:25] | Beirdo: | QWaitCondition: Destroyed while threads are still waiting |
| [07:46:29] | Beirdo: | oooh, fun |
| [07:46:39] | Beirdo: | wonder where THAT bug is |
| [07:47:19] | Beirdo: | although it's on a premature shutdown |
| [07:47:26] | Beirdo: | so it's likely not really an issue |
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| [07:51:49] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you have any capability in MythSystem to pass a child's stdout/err to the parent's? |
| [07:52:15] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [07:52:30] | Beirdo: | you mean to read from the child's stdout in the parent? |
| [07:52:45] | Beirdo: | that's the IO threads, remember? |
| [07:53:09] | Beirdo: | and it can send a signal any time there is data to read too |
| [07:53:16] | wagnerrp: | im removing the jobqueue from the backend, and writing a handler to spawn off a mythjobqueue |
| [07:53:22] | Beirdo: | to make it more synchronous |
| [07:53:33] | wagnerrp: | im talking about passing the stdout from mythjobqueue straight through to the terminal/log stdout |
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| [07:54:31] | Beirdo: | not sure I understand |
| [07:54:50] | wagnerrp: | so the output from the child goes straight to the parent's terminal |
| [07:54:57] | Beirdo: | pretty sure if we don't handle stdout at all, it should do that |
| [07:54:59] | Beirdo: | for now |
| [07:55:14] | Beirdo: | that's kind of nasty behavior as a default though |
| [07:55:14] | wagnerrp: | ok, i didnt remember what the default behavior was |
| [07:55:40] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking everything got redirected to /dev/null |
| [07:55:55] | Beirdo: | not yet, but I want to make that the default |
| [07:56:08] | Beirdo: | then you'd need to bind to stdout, then read/dump |
| [07:56:36] | Beirdo: | which you could do now to be safe :) |
| [07:57:00] | Beirdo: | 2010-12–18 23:55:56.343 MythUIHelper, Warning: No theme dir: '/opt/misc/src/myth |
| [07:57:03] | Beirdo: | tv/win32-cross/share/mythtv/themes/Terra' |
| [07:57:04] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [07:57:20] | Beirdo: | the frontend might run better with a theme :) |
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| [07:57:34] | wagnerrp: | just slightly |
| [07:58:10] | Beirdo: | but the ping call using mythsystem worked |
| [07:58:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:58:32] | Beirdo: | now I need to get the themes onto the windoze box so it should get further |
| [07:58:46] | wagnerrp: | ok, well thats written, i can fix the output later if needed |
| [07:58:53] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:58:58] | wagnerrp: | now to write up a scheduler |
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| [07:59:02] | wagnerrp: | and spawn that on the master |
| [08:00:04] | wagnerrp: | it even listens to the --no-jobqueue entry, and checks if any jobs have been enabled on that host |
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| [08:01:02] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [08:01:05] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, does gCoreContext support a call to pull a setting from another host? |
| [08:01:20] | Beirdo: | good to see you are getting some progress |
| [08:01:32] | Beirdo: | not to my knowledge, but wouldn't be hard to add it |
| [08:01:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, GetNumSettingOnHost |
| [08:01:46] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [08:01:48] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [08:02:03] | Beirdo: | even better, someone else did it already for ya |
| [08:02:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how this will work on windows systems though |
| [08:02:16] | wagnerrp: | since jobs are global |
| [08:02:34] | wagnerrp: | and the paths to jobs commands will be completely wrong on windows |
| [08:03:12] | wagnerrp: | two separate fields in the database? one for posix path, one for win32? |
| [08:04:04] | Beirdo: | pttf |
| [08:04:07] | Beirdo: | pfft rather |
| [08:04:14] | Beirdo: | or just not supported on windows |
| [08:04:17] | Beirdo: | is it now? |
| [08:04:29] | wagnerrp: | the backend isnt supported on windows |
| [08:04:53] | wagnerrp: | technically, transcode and commflag should work |
| [08:05:11] | wagnerrp: | since if unset, they run a non-absolute command |
| [08:05:31] | wagnerrp: | but the userjobs and overrides for transcode and commflag are generally absolute paths |
| [08:05:48] | wagnerrp: | i suppose theres no reason why they have to be |
| [08:06:00] | wagnerrp: | just say 'if you want to use windows, put it in your dang path' |
| [08:06:21] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [08:09:41] | Beirdo: | I don't get it |
| [08:09:50] | Beirdo: | it is sitll saying there's no theme dir |
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| [08:21:12] | Beirdo: | path issue |
| [08:21:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [08:21:47] | Beirdo: | had to make unix path match windows path |
| [08:23:44] | Beirdo: | 2010-12–19 00:23:30.640 Don't disable OSS support unless you're not running on Linux. |
| [08:23:58] | Beirdo: | that's a rather STUPID message to send... in Windows. |
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| [08:25:15] | Beirdo: | QEventDispatcherWin32::unregisterTimer: invalid argument |
| [08:25:21] | Beirdo: | lots of those spewed |
| [08:30:33] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: what's the magic incantation to reset the theme again? |
| [08:31:02] | wagnerrp: | -O Theme=... |
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| [08:31:38] | Beirdo: | cool, thanks :) |
| [08:31:55] | Beirdo: | MythCenter-wide didn't like my Windoze setup |
| [08:31:58] | Beirdo: | Terra it is |
| [08:34:30] | Beirdo: | Direct3D, no work. OpenGL, no work. |
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| [08:36:08] | Beirdo: | and, for the holy trifecta... |
| [08:36:12] | Beirdo: | Qt... no work |
| [08:36:14] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [08:38:27] | mokkan: | hey, i'm having some trouble playing avi files in mythvideo.. using mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [08:38:46] | mokkan: | i'm not entirely sure what's wrong |
| [08:40:46] | wagnerrp: | need more than 'its not working' |
| [08:40:55] | wagnerrp: | what have you done to set it up, what specifically isnt working |
| [08:41:56] | mokkan: | well i just installed it and updated to the latest version |
| [08:42:22] | mokkan: | and i tried playing some avi files, and mythtv sits there loading it for a second and then it goes back to the video list |
| [08:42:30] | mokkan: | i tried an mkv that i had and it worked, though |
| [08:42:34] | mokkan: | http://pastebin.ca/2023388 |
| [08:42:43] | mokkan: | that's the only relevant stuff i can find in mythfrontend.log |
| [08:43:44] | wagnerrp: | all of your videos are stored in the root of the folder defined in the storage group? |
| [08:43:57] | wagnerrp: | your frontend and backend are on the same machine? |
| [08:44:30] | mokkan: | to the last question, yeah |
| [08:44:36] | mokkan: | i'm not sure i understand the first |
| [08:44:49] | mokkan: | i think the answer is yes? |
| [08:44:55] | wagnerrp: | what folder(s) did you define for the Videos storage group in mythtv-setup? |
| [08:45:43] | mokkan: | mythbuntu seems to have gone through mythtv-setup without me, but i'll go check the configuration to see if i can find out |
| [08:46:57] | mokkan: | "Directories that hold videos" is set to /var/lib/mythtv/videos |
| [08:47:14] | wagnerrp: | the file '/var/lib/mythtv/videos/28 Weeks Later.avi' exists? |
| [08:48:29] | mokkan: | yep, that's where i put all of my videos, and that file does indeed exist |
| [08:48:51] | wagnerrp: | does the user that runs the backend (mythtv) have read rights to that file? |
| [08:49:12] | mokkan: | yeah, i just tried playing it in vlc and it worked |
| [08:49:18] | mokkan: | on the myth user |
| [08:49:41] | wagnerrp: | check your backend log to see what it might be complaining about |
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| [08:53:29] | mokkan: | oh my gosh i am an idiot |
| [08:53:37] | mokkan: | you were right wagnerrp, it was file permissions |
| [08:53:48] | mokkan: | thanks for setting me in the right direction |
| [08:53:50] | mokkan: | lol |
| [08:53:56] | wagnerrp: | usually is |
| [08:55:11] | Beirdo: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/eMS0GqxB |
| [08:55:33] | Beirdo: | I think this is working... tooo bad the dang frontend is super crashy with this build |
| [08:55:45] | wagnerrp: | and the PREFIX is wrong |
| [08:55:57] | Beirdo: | how so? |
| [08:56:25] | wagnerrp: | its trying to run the grabber commands from the linux PREFIX, rather than where they get installed on the windows system |
| [08:56:37] | wagnerrp: | unless mingw does some funky file system translation mojo |
| [08:56:38] | Beirdo: | that IS where they are installed on the windows system |
| [08:56:50] | Beirdo: | c:\opt\.... |
| [08:57:06] | wagnerrp: | so you can only access the C drive? |
| [08:58:03] | Beirdo: | with this setup, yes |
| [08:58:33] | Beirdo: | I guess if you started on D:, it would likely work all on D: |
| [08:58:41] | Beirdo: | but I have no D:, so I dunno |
| [08:59:00] | wagnerrp: | hang on... |
| [08:59:17] | wagnerrp: | the default setting in mythtv-setup is for all jobs to be disabled |
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| [08:59:37] | wagnerrp: | but the check seems to assume they were enabled |
| [08:59:44] | wagnerrp: | unless i did that wrong |
| [09:00:25] | wagnerrp: | nope, it assumes everything is enabled |
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| [09:00:45] | wagnerrp: | oh well, that code is all going to be deleted in the future |
| [09:01:17] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: this file is 2500 lines long |
| [09:01:19] | wagnerrp: | ... i dont like it |
| [09:02:17] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if my opinion on that would be changed if i used a real DE, rather than just vim |
| [09:02:34] | Beirdo: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Zdc0nRgZ |
| [09:02:42] | Beirdo: | snicker. |
| [09:02:51] | Beirdo: | vim FTW |
| [09:03:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that would be a bigger reason why the grabber scripts wouldnt work |
| [09:03:07] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually tested the bindings under python |
| [09:03:11] | wagnerrp: | erm... windows |
| [09:03:30] | wagnerrp: | nor do i have any idea how to properly install then |
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| [09:03:47] | Beirdo: | but it does seem... so far.. that the mythsystem part is workin |
| [09:04:08] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i think the bigger issue with vim is that the context highlighting chokes hard on large pages |
| [09:04:27] | wagnerrp: | open a brace of parenth with 2k lines below, and the editor gets really slow |
| [09:04:33] | wagnerrp: | s/of/or/ |
| [09:04:40] | Beirdo: | not in my experience |
| [09:05:18] | wagnerrp: | i get a good quarter second lag as its reprocessing things |
| [09:05:22] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [09:05:36] | Beirdo: | well, it could be a version difference or something anyways |
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| [09:09:29] | Beirdo: | well, I've had enough fighting with windows for the day |
| [09:09:42] | Beirdo: | I should look at the dude's new windows build script |
| [09:10:26] | wagnerrp: | the default for maxjobs is 3? |
| [09:10:29] | wagnerrp: | rather high |
| [09:10:48] | Beirdo: | get a real CPU :) |
| [09:11:12] | wagnerrp: | shaddup |
| [09:11:20] | wagnerrp: | stop calling yours an i7 |
| [09:11:51] | Beirdo: | nope, sorry, you lose |
| [09:12:11] | Beirdo: | it IS an i7, Intel says so, and they define what their processors are called. |
| [09:12:14] | Beirdo: | get over it |
| [09:12:25] | wagnerrp: | lies, all lies |
| [09:12:57] | Beirdo: | if I call it anything else, I'm in violation of their trademark :) |
| [09:13:33] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [09:13:38] | wagnerrp: | i need to go to sleep |
| [09:13:53] | Beirdo: | sleep is overrated |
| [09:13:54] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [09:14:04] | wagnerrp: | i just iterated through a QList to find if it contained an item |
| [09:14:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:14:25] | Beirdo: | searching by key? |
| [09:14:34] | Beirdo: | you so need sleep :) |
| [09:15:01] | wagnerrp: | actually, its a qlist of a struct holding the hostname and stats of connected mythjobqueue instances |
| [09:15:10] | wagnerrp: | i iterated through, matching on hostname |
| [09:15:18] | wagnerrp: | but i should just make it a qmap |
| [09:15:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, and then do map.find(blah) |
| [09:15:39] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [09:17:15] | zoran119: | if all my tuners are busy recording (i have 2) and i go to watch live tv it allows me to watch whatever is being recorded at the moment |
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| [09:17:45] | zoran119: | but i find it very hard (sometimes impossible) to get back to the main menu... |
| [09:17:52] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you have digital tuners, and it allows you to access the multiplex currently being used |
| [09:17:57] | zoran119: | is this normal...? |
| [09:18:12] | wagnerrp: | not sure why 'esc' wouldnt work |
| [09:18:12] | zoran119: | wagnerrp: yes, two tuners in one pci card |
| [09:18:29] | zoran119: | sometimes it works after pressing it 20 or 30 times... |
| [09:18:35] | zoran119: | sometimes it doesn't work at all |
| [09:19:08] | zoran119: | cannot forward or rewind either... |
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| [09:20:42] | clever: | does the frontend respond to any button at all? |
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| [09:21:19] | zoran119: | clever: no... |
| [09:21:33] | clever: | ive got a similar problem, playback continues normaly and it ignores ALL input |
| [09:21:41] | clever: | keyboard, lirc, mouse, telnet control |
| [09:21:54] | zoran119: | ssh only... |
| [09:22:25] | zoran119: | just killed the frontend to get control back... |
| [09:22:35] | wagnerrp: | zoran119: what revision are you on? |
| [09:22:43] | clever: | it feels to me like the main thread is locked up, and playback is continueing cluelessly on a background thread |
| [09:22:54] | wagnerrp: | with the new UI, there were some regressions where playback was taking a long time to respond to input |
| [09:23:04] | zoran119: | mythbuntu 10.10... not sure what revision it has... let me check |
| [09:23:15] | wagnerrp: | i only saw a second or so, but i heard in some scenarios that it would be a dozen or more seconds |
| [09:23:37] | wagnerrp: | but i had only heard of it occuring while performing a fast forward |
| [09:23:40] | clever: | in my case, it never responds and just sits on a solid black frame once playback is over |
| [09:23:58] | zoran119: | that seems to be the case, because sometimes one of the buttons (which i pressed a minute ago) works |
| [09:24:12] | clever: | doesnt sound like my problem |
| [09:25:21] | wagnerrp: | zoran119: 10.10 by default ships with 0.23.1 |
| [09:25:24] | wagnerrp: | this is a 0.24 issue |
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| [09:26:04] | zoran119: | watchng the recording from 'watch recordings' works fine (even while it is still being recorded) |
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| [10:28:39] | Diverdude: | how do i load an srt file as subtitles when playing an avi file in myth-tv? |
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| [10:35:00] | Diverdude: | anyone? |
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| [12:14:13] | zoran119: | any file that 'convert' using handbrake (.mp4) has trouble with keeping time in mythtv... |
| [12:14:48] | zoran119: | the video plays fine, but the timer moves slowly (1 second on the timer is 2 seconds in real time) |
| [12:15:01] | zoran119: | this causes problems with bookmarks and stuff... |
| [12:15:11] | zoran119: | anyone experiencing the same? |
| [12:15:46] | zoran119: | or can someone recommend someting better to compress mpg? |
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| [13:10:00] | ke^: | Hello. Anyone else having similar problem with mythtv 0.24–1. |
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| [13:11:13] | ke^: | Im trying edit my recorded videos with mythfrontend via another pc. So my mythbackend resides another pc. When i try to edit the video. like add cutpoints etc the frontend completely hangs. And i need to kill its process. |
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| [13:19:46] | sphery: | ke^: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9359 |
| [13:20:03] | sphery: | stuartm wonders about my psychic ability |
| [13:20:07] | ke^: | ok good |
| [13:20:35] | sphery: | ke^: also, what version of mythtv are you using (output of mythbackend --version to http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ , please) |
| [13:21:18] | sphery: | most of the problems with the player related to deadlocks/infinite loops have been fixed, and there's only one or 2 fringe cases where it still happens |
| [13:21:31] | sphery: | but if you have a version before those fixes, it will happen all the time |
| [13:22:07] | ke^: | okies |
| [13:22:11] | ke^: | ill check the version |
| [13:23:25] | ke^: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/WbunReZB my mythtv version |
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| [13:24:56] | sphery: | ke^: that /looks/ like it's a release version of MythTV 0.24 or at least an old version of 0.24-fixes |
| [13:25:15] | sphery: | chances are, if you upgrade to current 0.24-fixes, it may be mostly stable |
| [13:25:27] | sphery: | which distro are you using? |
| [13:25:57] | ke^: | arch linux x86_64 |
| [13:26:05] | sphery: | do you compile yourself or use a package? |
| [13:26:07] | ke^: | Think i need to to aur pkg then but that ok |
| [13:26:19] | ke^: | prefer packages but can do aur pkg |
| [13:27:31] | stuartm: | sphery: I'm certain by now that you posses magical abilities ;) |
| [13:27:38] | sphery: | ke^: well, I don't know arch very well, but ideally, you'd convince the packager to talk with the Mythbuntu or Fedora guys to get the script they use to ensure that the --version info contains all the revision info, and, if required, have them use a newer -fixes revision |
| [13:27:57] | sphery: | ke^: does your package manager application give you any version information for mythtv? |
| [13:28:29] | ke^: | sphery: well seems that there is aur allready http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=43995 |
| [13:28:31] | sphery: | stuartm: hehe, yeah, it sure looks that way since you weren't here when he asked the question the first time |
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| [13:29:53] | sphery: | ke^: ok, that gives what I need... ideally, though, the package builder would run the script that ensures that output goes in the standard location/format in mythbackend --version |
| [13:30:10] | sphery: | ke^: also, it looks like you may have a new enough version |
| [13:30:28] | sphery: | though there may have been other fixes I'm forgetting |
| [13:31:02] | sphery: | In my experience, it mainly seems to lock up if you try to skip to the end of the recording using NEXTCUT |
| [13:31:28] | sphery: | and, possibly, only on some recordings where the last_frame is set to some completely bogus value in the seek table |
| [13:31:57] | sphery: | ke^: you can try rebuilding the seek table for your recording http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable , and then try to edit |
| [13:32:19] | ke^: | hmm |
| [13:32:23] | ke^: | ill try that too |
| [13:32:55] | ke^: | But ill try first this aur pkg |
| [13:33:09] | sphery: | aur pkg is the one you linked to? |
| [13:33:28] | sphery: | of so, yeah, it's worth trying that one--since it should be new enough |
| [13:34:05] | ke^: | Yep |
| [13:34:19] | ke^: | I guess so that it will fix the problem as its new enough |
| [13:34:52] | sphery: | does your current package manager app give any info on the exiting package's version? |
| [13:35:06] | ke^: | It does but not much |
| [13:35:26] | sphery: | no 27419 or anything? |
| [13:35:32] | sphery: | or even a string of hex digits? |
| [13:36:16] | ke^: | nop only 0.24 |
| [13:36:22] | ke^: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/2k4Uuei8 the info that i get |
| [13:36:38] | ke^: | i need to run mythbackend --version for that :) |
| [13:37:09] | sphery: | yeah, I hae no idea which version that is |
| [13:37:32] | sphery: | maybe we can get jams to get the packager to start using a script to put the right info in the build |
| [13:40:38] | wagnerrp: | you can always email him |
| [13:40:57] | sphery: | yeah, just figured I'd mention it to him next time I see him here |
| [13:41:15] | wagnerrp: | who is he? |
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| [13:43:16] | sphery: | jams |
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| [13:43:33] | stuartm: | James Meyer |
| [13:43:34] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [13:43:34] | sphery: | don't know who's packaging for Arch, though |
| [13:44:12] | sphery: | figured here is easiest since the Mythbuntu/Fedora guys also hang out (and you)--and one of you all probably can give them the script they need |
| [13:44:33] | sphery: | I'm assuming the ebuild you and kormoc are working on puts the info into --version output |
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| [13:45:03] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [13:45:15] | wagnerrp: | makes the same exact output as the version.sh script |
| [13:45:37] | stuartm: | we need a README-PACKAGING in the root directory |
| [13:45:47] | sphery: | that's a great idea |
| [13:45:56] | sphery: | and include the script in packaging |
| [13:46:03] | stuartm: | yup |
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| [13:46:33] | sphery: | I want a README in mythtv root so github quits yelling at me ( https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/ ) |
| [13:46:58] | sphery: | I just haven't figured out what that README should say... |
| [13:47:18] | sphery: | "We couldn't find a README for this repository, we strongly recommend adding one. For more details on what formats we support, visit github/markup" being the yelling |
| [13:48:17] | stuartm: | "This is a README. It's here to shut github up." |
| [13:48:25] | sphery: | heh, that would work |
| [13:49:01] | sphery: | or "We found a README for this repository, but it's completely useless. We strongly recommend adding a better one. For more details on what formats we support, visit github/markup" |
| [13:58:23] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: Not really sure what the recordings were named, from what I can see in ProgramData/Microsoft/eHome/logs it seems to be .dvr-ms. but I wouldn't bet on it since the install is expired and so I can't test it. |
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| [14:01:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is your script something you could upload to the packaging repo (or maybe something that could be genericized enough that it could be uploaded)? |
| [14:01:53] | sphery: | the one for the version info |
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| [14:29:27] | jams: | actually i'm not the packager for arch |
| [14:30:40] | jams: | pacman -Qi mythtv will tell you who made the pkg |
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| [14:35:02] | stuartm: | jams: I don't think they were saying that you were the packager, merely that you might know who is |
| [14:35:29] | stuartm: | and that you might have some influence |
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| [14:36:30] | lautriv: | hello, can anyone help me to check a WinTv-Nova card ? card is shown in lspci and several modules loaded but i see nothing about firmware-load in dmesg and got also nothing in /dev |
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| [14:45:45] | Flash__: | lautriv, they should be autoloaded by most modern kernals. I know i've had several on debian and ubuntu that "just worked" |
| [14:45:58] | jams: | oh if that's the case they yes i do know =) |
| [14:46:31] | jams: | i can tell dibbliah how to do it |
| [14:48:20] | lautriv: | Flash__, that is why i wonder about ths card, usually it loads by modprobing the right kernel-module from /lib/firmware but mine doesn't and i'm not sure which module order and dependency is needed :-( |
| [14:48:55] | Flash__: | i've had to faff around with other cards and usb sticks for firmware, but never the nova-t or nova-s cards I've got :/ |
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| [14:51:25] | lautriv: | Flash__, can you paste a dmesg from a system with one of it ? |
| [14:52:03] | Flash__: | i have five cards in atm, can't remember which is which, and dmesg has rolled off from the last boot |
| [14:53:15] | Flash__: | it'll probably be saa7146 cx2388x or cx8802, but i have low confidence since i can't even remember if I have a nova in right now |
| [14:54:24] | lautriv: | Flash__, i have another machine with 3 HVR4000 running just fine and this one is a second server where the card *did* but not longer after upgrade, kernel/userland seems to be fine anyway. |
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| [15:40:00] | darkfrog: | hey guys, I have an HD-PVR (Hauppauge) and running Ubuntu 10.10 with all the latest updates, but for some reason I'm not seeing /dev/video* |
| [15:40:24] | darkfrog: | is there anything I need to do to make it detect? everything I've read says it's built into the kernel. |
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| [15:59:04] | tank-man: | darkfrog, did you take a look at the output of "dmesg" ? that is where log info from the kernel is placed |
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| [16:03:03] | darkfrog: | tank-man: do I need to build v4l-dvb from the source or is there a package for that? |
| [16:04:04] | tank-man: | im not sure, i havent used or setup a hd-pvr |
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| [16:04:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i could rip out the guts of it and put it somewhere |
| [16:06:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: basically, when you download a tarball from github, it generates an archive, names it based off the 'git describe' call, and then redirects you to it |
| [16:06:34] | wagnerrp: | if you catch the redirect, and process it manually |
| [16:06:47] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up the 'describe' information from the new URL |
| [16:07:27] | wagnerrp: | but the branch? you really just have to guess that one |
| [16:08:46] | wagnerrp: | on a personal note, i just love when i see 4-door M3s on the road |
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| [16:38:01] | jst: | Does anyone know how to kill a "runaway" HD-PVR? Sometimes mine fails to stop recording, and the only way to get it to stop is to power cycle it--physically, this is very difficult with my current set up. Is there a way to kill it from the command line? |
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| [17:03:58] | bogustrumper: | good afternoon everyone |
| [17:05:51] | bogustrumper: | I'm having some trouble getting a serial IR blaster to work in Mythdora 10.04 (lirc 0.8.6, I believe). Struggling to find any solutions using Google... has anybody messed around with these things? |
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| [17:21:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: people are still running 0.21? |
| [17:21:26] | wagnerrp: | people active on the mailing list are still running 0.21? |
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| [17:30:01] | stuartm: | people active on the lists are still running hardware from the 90s, are we really surprised that there are users still running 0.21? |
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| [17:30:25] | wagnerrp: | hehe... what an appropriate join |
| [17:31:12] | wagnerrp: | i retired my last 90s hardware... five years ago? |
| [17:31:15] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
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| [17:31:39] | wagnerrp: | well, floppy drives used for firmware upgrades not withstanding |
| [17:32:58] | stuartm: | all my floppy drives have gone, something that I sometimes regret when it comes to firmware upgrades :/ |
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| [17:33:37] | wagnerrp: | ive got a whole stack of them sitting on the floor of my office, waiting for some motivation to take to a recycling center |
| [17:34:02] | wagnerrp: | along with several motherboards, a bunch of old video and network cards, a couple modems, and a monitor |
| [17:35:00] | stuartm: | I cleared everything out, it was cathartic |
| [17:38:07] | kormoc: | sphery, to be fair, we just sed the info into version.sh so it doesn't have to look it up |
| [17:38:12] | stuartm: | well not completely true, there is some stuff, a couple of old cases and a monitor in the loft, I was tripping all over them as I re-lagged the pipes last week, planning on getting them down this week and straight to the tip |
| [17:38:41] | kormoc: | not nessessarly the best way, but if it was updated to take arguments, say --version= --vlah= --ech=, we could all stop with the sed on sed violence |
| [17:38:50] | kormoc: | and with that I run out the door |
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| [17:58:15] | ** allesmueller wonders how the length of transcode recordings are calculated ** | |
| [17:58:47] | wagnerrp: | as in time length? |
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| [17:59:25] | allesmueller: | yup, I created a cutlist (transcoded, just with "transcode") |
| [17:59:35] | wagnerrp: | it isnt calculated |
| [17:59:58] | allesmueller: | but it is also not updated by transcode, right? |
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| [18:00:33] | wagnerrp: | the 'length' is just the time from recording start to recording end |
| [18:00:47] | wagnerrp: | there is no value to be updated by a transcode |
| [18:01:45] | allesmueller: | unfortunately not, yes – but it would be nice to see somewhere the real length of a recording _after_ the cutlist was applied |
| [18:03:13] | allesmueller: | but transcode does apply the cutlist – right? |
| [18:03:24] | wagnerrp: | if you tell it to |
| [18:03:49] | allesmueller: | I just have "transcode" as command in the settings table |
| [18:04:08] | wagnerrp: | which tells it to use the internal transcoder |
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| [18:34:40] | justifier: | hi guys, live tv was working the other day, nothing has chnaged, no updates run etc but i now cannot access live tv and it shows no recordings. frontend log gives this http://pastebin.com/jYiZqKt2 full of DB errors and backend log gives this http://pastebin.com/nHVYuhfH those are just snippits it all reads similar any ideas? |
| [18:45:22] | gregL: | justifier, It says your database has crashed.. mysqlcheck -u root -p --repair mythconverg |
| [18:47:43] | justifier: | ahh brilliant thanks, its fixed some stuff, live tv will run, failed to lock but that happens anyway sometimes, trying reboot, |
| [18:48:39] | gregL: | ok yw glad to have helped.. |
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| [18:53:26] | Perdignus: | is mythweb no longer included in mythplugins .24-fixes via GIT? |
| [18:55:33] | russell5: | mythweb is now a seperate git |
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| [18:56:30] | russell5: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb |
| [18:57:03] | Perdignus: | russell5: thanks! |
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| [19:05:35] | Perdignus: | russell5: is there a seperate mythweb git repository for .24-fixes? |
| [19:05:50] | Perdignus: | I don't see mythweb here https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/fixes/0.24 |
| [19:06:43] | russell5: | because the other git has mythweb and a .24-fixes |
| [19:06:44] | russell5: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/tree/fixes/0.24 |
| [19:07:33] | Perdignus: | thanks again |
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| [20:17:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I couldn't believe the 0.21-fixes post, either... I did suggest an upgrade, so maybe it will happen. |
| [20:17:49] | wagnerrp: | i was looking at that email from Rustong about the crash |
| [20:17:50] | sphery: | and I think--even if it's a no-brainer script--putting the "make sure version info goes into packaged builds" script in packaging is a good idea. It's much better to have something to point packagers at |
| [20:18:03] | wagnerrp: | and thinking, 'i fixed that two days ago, in fact heres the commit' |
| [20:18:18] | wagnerrp: | seems the commit only exists on my local repo |
| [20:18:19] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [20:18:22] | sphery: | yeah, I was wondering if they're crashing because they had old bindings (possibly even 0.23-fixes bindings) |
| [20:18:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:18:32] | sphery: | or that |
| [20:18:57] | sphery: | just figured if we start telling people to post useful version info to prove they're running the right bindings version, it will make things easier long term |
| [20:19:16] | sphery: | since having mythbackend 0.24-fixes does not necessarily mean you have/are using pything bindings from 0.24 |
| [20:19:46] | sphery: | glad you have the fix, though |
| [20:21:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im just trying to figure out how to rebase to kill the 'merge' commit |
| [20:21:52] | sphery: | heh, I'm no help with that |
| [20:21:57] | sphery: | I have a clean repo I use for commits |
| [20:22:05] | sphery: | do all my work in a read-only repo |
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| [20:22:54] | sphery: | could just get the patch, reset your repo, then apply the patch, add, commit, push |
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| [20:30:21] | wagnerrp: | the problem is i *think* im doing it right |
| [20:30:29] | wagnerrp: | but its barfing on mythversion.h |
| [20:30:33] | wagnerrp: | which it shouldnt even touch |
| [20:30:52] | wagnerrp: | not only that, but its setting it to some ridiculous value |
| [20:32:34] | wagnerrp: | screw it |
| [20:32:49] | wagnerrp: | and... rejected |
| [20:33:18] | wagnerrp: | now there are... duplicate commits? |
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| [20:38:49] | wagnerrp: | it rejected it, but it still went through |
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| [20:57:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: are you sure it went through? only change I saw go in was the version change |
| [20:58:05] | sphery: | and an empty merge on 0.24 |
| [20:58:21] | wagnerrp: | github shows the changes |
| [20:58:40] | sphery: | weird |
| [20:59:11] | wagnerrp: | did you click the link? im looking at the commit right now |
| [20:59:26] | sphery: | the link on the merge? |
| [20:59:35] | wagnerrp: | the link in the ML thread |
| [20:59:37] | sphery: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/370220c5a " Showing 0 changed files with 0 additions and 0 deletions. " |
| [20:59:51] | wagnerrp: | 30a2515 |
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| [21:03:14] | sphery: | and that came through in the list? |
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| [21:04:58] | wagnerrp: | no, but i posted the link to the relevant thread on the -users list |
| [21:05:20] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [21:05:26] | sphery: | wonder why it didn't come through |
| [21:06:28] | sphery: | anyway, not important... just more that I don't understand about git |
| [21:09:19] | sphery: | ok, so it's showing Dec 17 as the date |
| [21:09:21] | wagnerrp: | what was that git command to make a working folder? |
| [21:09:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, i committed it two days ago |
| [21:10:00] | sphery: | git-new-workdir --it's actually a bash script in contrib |
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| [21:10:26] | sphery: | yeah, was just wondering if the commit handler is ignoring commits where date isn't today |
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| [21:16:10] | dlonie: | Hi all, I had a strange problem when I was running the old svn trunk, and I'm still seeing it in a new build of fixes/0.24. I have lost the ability to change my theme, see http://drunks.servebeer.com/david/s.png |
| [21:17:12] | dlonie: | I'm fairly certain this is a config problem, but I can't figure out what's up. I have deleted everything from the old installation except the database, so it's probably somewhere in there. Any ideas? |
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| [21:18:41] | sphery: | dlonie: Utilities/Setup|Setup|Theme Chooser |
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| [21:19:17] | dlonie: | sphery: Damn, I feel stupid. Thanks :-) |
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| [21:19:42] | sphery: | well, it did move, so, easy enough to miss if you don't know to look elsewhere :) |
| [21:20:13] | dlonie: | The new interface is nice, it was a good move. |
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| [21:20:42] | sphery: | and the new one actually downloads themes for you if you want |
| [21:20:51] | sphery: | dlonie: IIRC, MENU allows you to select remote themes to view, then can have it download them |
| [21:20:57] | sphery: | no need to install theme packages, now |
| [21:21:25] | wagnerrp: | hey now, dont go having conversations on the wrong side of the split |
| [21:21:41] | sphery: | heh, we just wanted a bit of privacy |
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| [21:22:21] | sphery: | we only lost 109 people out of 200, so you guys didn't even have a quorum |
| [21:22:33] | sphery: | simple majority, yeah, but not a quorum |
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| [21:22:59] | wagnerrp: | stop trying to rationalize it wrong-sider |
| [21:23:09] | sphery: | heh |
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| [21:29:58] | wagnerrp: | actually, i guess im the wrong-sider |
| [21:30:04] | wagnerrp: | you had fewer people, but you got chanserv |
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| [21:31:38] | floppyears: | for mythtv I bought a big hard drive, do you guys recommend having several partitions or just one big partition? |
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| [21:32:00] | wagnerrp: | not sure what several partitions would get you |
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| [21:33:05] | floppyears: | wagnerrp: I'm not sure if it would improve performance or if the partitions are likely to fail in a hd only one of them would fail instead of several partitions |
| [21:33:06] | skd5aner: | 1 big one |
| [21:33:29] | skd5aner: | (that is, if you are using it explicitely for mythtv content and not the OS, etc) |
| [21:34:05] | floppyears: | yes, I have a small 20G for the OS, I would put mythtv content either on separate partitions or a big one |
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| [21:34:28] | floppyears: | what fs do you guys suggest to handle 500G ? |
| [21:34:33] | wagnerrp: | better to put your OS and database on a separate hard drive |
| [21:35:22] | skd5aner: | I like xfs for my recordings |
| [21:35:38] | wagnerrp: | you would... |
| [21:35:55] | skd5aner: | well, I don't run BSD so... :P |
| [21:35:59] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [21:36:08] | skd5aner: | also, 500GB is not "big" anymore |
| [21:38:31] | wagnerrp: | not even for a laptop drive |
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| [21:38:50] | floppyears: | yeah that hd is a couple of years old |
| [21:39:12] | floppyears: | I have 2 hard drives: 1 350G with OS + db + some mythtv content and a 500G hd just for mythtv content |
| [21:39:27] | wagnerrp: | but you said you just bought one |
| [21:39:36] | wagnerrp: | and there is no such thing as a 350GB hard drive |
| [21:39:59] | floppyears: | wagnerrp: yep, I'm thinking of buying a new one, so I'm doing some prep planning :) |
| [21:40:13] | floppyears: | wagnerrp: what hd size do you use for mythtv? |
| [21:40:36] | skd5aner: | "as much as you can afford" |
| [21:40:37] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [21:40:49] | wagnerrp: | three 300s, nine 750s, two 2000s |
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| [21:42:35] | floppyears: | how much ram do you guys have in your mythtv setup? |
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| [21:42:44] | wagnerrp: | 2GB |
| [21:42:53] | skd5aner: | 4GB |
| [21:43:06] | skd5aner: | on the backend, 2GB on FE |
| [21:43:06] | russell5: | 4gb just cuz got a good deal |
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| [21:44:35] | aputerboy: | I manually (perhaps a mistake) changed a recorded video in one of my storage directories (to replace it with a better quality recording) and then ran mythcommflag --rebuild --file xxxx.nuv to fix the seek table. However, I noticed that the size is (still) wrong. What is the best way to correct the size |
| [21:45:09] | aputerboy: | by size, i mean the parameter filesize in the recorded table |
| [21:45:16] | sphery: | there is no good way at this time |
| [21:45:22] | sphery: | only way is to edit db |
| [21:45:31] | aputerboy: | ok – that is easy for me |
| [21:45:55] | aputerboy: | i mean i have scripts that allow me to do it safely – but just didn't want to do it if there were an automagic way |
| [21:45:56] | sphery: | or if you compile, you could write (and submit :) a patch to put it into mythcommflag --rebuild |
| [21:45:58] | floppyears: | is there a specific brand of hd that you guys recommend? |
| [21:46:17] | sphery: | we've been meaning to fix mythcommflag and mythtranscode to do that for people |
| [21:46:42] | aputerboy: | makes sense – unfortunately, i haven't played with compiling mythtv yet... |
| [21:46:54] | [R]: | floppyears: it really makes no differnece |
| [21:47:09] | aputerboy: | though the patch "seems" to be quite trivial.... |
| [21:47:11] | [R]: | floppyears: but if you get one of the new drives with 4k sectors, gotta make sure you format it propperly |
| [21:47:22] | floppyears: | [R]: thanks |
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| [21:58:08] | floppyears: | do you guys use mythtv with ota hd or just cable tv? |
| [21:59:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | floppyears: Both |
| [22:00:31] | floppyears: | do you use mythtv to watch internet content? meaning are there any plugins you guys use to stream content to your mythtv? |
| [22:01:15] | wagnerrp: | mythnetvision |
| [22:01:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | floppyears: There is MythNetvision, but it is beta |
| [22:01:27] | wagnerrp: | designed primarily for flash video |
| [22:01:34] | floppyears: | that sounds awesome |
| [22:01:35] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm not even 100% sure I'm configuring it correctly. |
| [22:02:43] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It is a bit glitchy, but I am hoping that is the beta nature, not anything I did. |
| [22:04:56] | wagnerrp: | the glitchiness tends to be the instability of flash, and the inability to control the flash player with the remote |
| [22:05:01] | wagnerrp: | that latter has since been corrected |
| [22:05:37] | floppyears: | so when something goes wrong on a frontend and a non-techi, such as a wife or kid, is using it, do you guys have a red button or something like that in your remote |
| [22:05:42] | floppyears: | to let them reset it or reboot it? |
| [22:06:45] | russell5: | i have a button for rebooting the machine |
| [22:07:04] | russell5: | but its not needed that often. (usually when i did something to break it) |
| [22:08:49] | floppyears: | since some of the streaming flash content is time sensitive on websites, is it possible with mythtv to record the flash video to watch later on? |
| [22:09:27] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [22:09:54] | wagnerrp: | however it can download content for grabbers that provide download links instead of flash |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | flash playback is done through the flash player, and the flash player does not support downloading of content |
| [22:10:57] | floppyears: | those grabbers sound great |
| [22:11:02] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: The remote thing has been corrected? I'm going to have to try again. |
| [22:11:13] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: in trunk, partially |
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| [22:11:28] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: You would know. What is the progress on moving the download functionality from the frontend to the backend? |
| [22:11:37] | wagnerrp: | MNV (and MythBrowser) support scripted control of flash players |
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| [22:11:51] | wagnerrp: | but the grabbers have to be updated to identify the coordinates of the controls |
| [22:12:00] | wagnerrp: | download of...? |
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| [22:12:46] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: Downloadable content. For example, you add an RSS feed full of MP4 file and you select the option to download one to play. I'd rather it went to my video storage group over a local frontend cache |
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| [22:13:11] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I really have to replace this keyboard. It keeps sticking |
| [22:13:34] | wagnerrp: | mythnetvision is not designed for permanent storage, i doubt it will ever support downloading to the Videos storage group |
| [22:14:49] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Well, I did try to do streaming of a file from an RSS feed full of MP4 files, and it didn't quite work. I thought downloading in the background might assist with that. |
| [22:15:17] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I think my bandwidth can handle some streaming, but I'm not sure how good quality. |
| [22:15:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont know the state of download support, havent been following the plugin too closely |
| [22:16:22] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm following it because I'd like to someday migrate to OTA with Mythnetvision to fill in some holes. |
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| [22:16:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Cable prices continue to go up. |
| [22:17:28] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It's a pipe dream though |
| [22:17:39] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | The majority of people who drop cable do not drop it indefinitely. |
| [22:18:31] | wagnerrp: | i would drop cable tomorrow if the phone company would get off their butts and... provide cable |
| [22:18:53] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: Working on it here. |
| [22:19:14] | wagnerrp: | same here, apparently weve got close to 100k homes switched |
| [22:19:24] | wagnerrp: | im in one of the first neighborhoods to offer it |
| [22:19:38] | wagnerrp: | they just... wont... pull a line down my street |
| [22:19:40] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Verizon FIOS, the local option, ends a block from my house. |
| [22:19:45] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [22:20:14] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | They've said some things that indicate they may do it this year. |
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| [22:20:27] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | but, in the meantime, I like to experiment with internet-based content. |
| [22:20:42] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Because my backup plan is to reduce from the higher-end package to the lower one |
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| [22:24:43] | floppyears: | we dropped cable almost 6 months ago, I hope we can make it without it. My wife was complaining how she missed oprah, so we're trying ota hd |
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| [22:25:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | floppyears: I have OTA as well. It isn't quite as reliable. But I'm using a quarter century old antenna |
| [22:26:08] | stuartm: | that's a pretty good way to decrease the reliability ;) |
| [22:26:12] | floppyears: | GadgetWisdomGuru: yeah, I have an internal antenna, and I can only pick up about 6 channels :( |
| [22:26:44] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I get CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, MyNetworkTV, CW, and PBS. |
| [22:26:59] | stuartm: | for digital terrestrial you want a good external (unless you live on top of the transmitter) wideband aerial |
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| [22:27:29] | wagnerrp: | where 'living on top' is 'anywhere within several miles' |
| [22:28:10] | wagnerrp: | i live on top of a hill, in a hole, in an old double brick and stucco house |
| [22:28:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | stuartm: I'm not authorized to access the roof. |
| [22:28:20] | wagnerrp: | and have almost no trouble picking up TV with a pair of bunny ears on the first floor |
| [22:28:25] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm not the owner. |
| [22:28:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I just grabbed the disconnected wire. |
| [22:28:35] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: and the attic? |
| [22:28:50] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | This is a multi-family dwelling. People live above me. |
| [22:28:52] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | No attic |
| [22:29:08] | floppyears: | I'm far from a handy man, is installing an external antenna pretty expensive or hard to do? |
| [22:29:33] | stuartm: | floppyears: nah, at least not in the UK |
| [22:29:37] | wagnerrp: | floppyears: its generally sufficient and far easier to put it in an attick or crawlspace |
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| [22:30:07] | stuartm: | GadgetWisdomGuru: not something that the building management will do for the residents? |
| [22:31:17] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | stuartm: Nope. They all have cable |
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| [22:34:00] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I try not to bother building management. |
| [22:34:10] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Possibly because I'm sort of the super. |
| [22:34:28] | wagnerrp: | youre the super, and dont have roof rights? |
| [22:34:42] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: Sort of the super. My relatives own the building. |
| [22:34:50] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | They like it that I keep an eye on things. |
| [22:34:57] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | but they don't want me on the roof. |
| [22:35:50] | stuartm: | makes me wonder what they are hiding on the roof, secret pot-growing greenhouse? |
| [22:36:26] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | stuartm: The only way to access it is with a giant three story ladder. No internal access. |
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| [22:42:29] | _Techie_: | a 3 story ladder or a french man =P |
| [22:43:12] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | _Techie_: The cable company didn't even have a ladder that could get up there. |
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| [22:44:42] | _Techie_: | you seem to have missed the parkour reference |
| [22:45:03] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | _Techie_: yes, apparently so |
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| [22:45:56] | stuartm: | _Techie_: ahh, I thought that was a reference to Alain Robert |
| [22:46:31] | _Techie_: | nope |
| [22:47:04] | _Techie_: | any windows on the top level that open fully? |
| [22:47:20] | stuartm: | Alain Robert might be more appropriate ... |
| [22:47:35] | wagnerrp: | depends on how close nearby buildings are |
| [22:48:04] | floppyears: | when you guys buy hard drives do you guys go with 3 yr warranty or 5 year warranty for mythtv content ? |
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| [22:48:20] | wagnerrp: | does it really matter that far out? |
| [22:48:51] | wagnerrp: | at 3 years, its not really worth using for bulk storage |
| [22:49:21] | _Techie_: | either way if it fails you lose the date unless you have backups |
| [22:49:28] | wagnerrp: | 3 years from now would have been 750GB |
| [22:49:39] | _Techie_: | data* |
| [22:50:17] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have one 750GB drive |
| [22:51:03] | floppyears: | wagnerrp: yeah for a lot of the mythtv content is not something I would care too much if I lose since it's just tv content. I backup the most docs, and pictures |
| [22:51:29] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I need to get my MythTV backlog organized. |
| [22:51:32] | wagnerrp: | floppyears: at 3 years, im looking to replace all my drives |
| [22:51:52] | wagnerrp: | at which point the old sets replaced under warranty would just be unused spares and offline backups |
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| [22:55:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | wagnerrp: What is the longevity of a standard HD used as an offline backup |
| [22:55:35] | floppyears: | how do you keep those offline backups safe? in some anti-static bag or something similar? |
| [22:55:54] | wagnerrp: | back of a plastic drawer, with some silica packets |
| [22:56:03] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have this plastic case. |
| [22:56:08] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: dont hit them enough to know |
| [22:56:52] | floppyears: | is there a command I can use to delete all the mythtv records instead of using the remote and removing them one by one? |
| [22:57:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It is rubberized. |
| [22:57:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | the case I use. Slides off. |
| [22:58:18] | Crys: | floppyears: don't store your backups at home and make sure you refresh the files every year or two. |
| [22:58:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I wonder if anyone is working on MPEG4 lossless cutting. |
| [22:58:36] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I know I'm incapable. |
| [22:59:21] | floppyears: | so do you guys keep your backups at work or rent some space somewhere? |
| [22:59:30] | Crys: | Also don't run a hard disk below 25°C |
| [23:01:08] | Crys: | Both :) I store my personal data, pictures etc. on a remote server. Large stuff is kept on a hard disk and stored in the server room at work. I'm in the lucky position to have access to the server room and permission to secure my personal stuff there. |
| [23:01:34] | floppyears: | yeah, that's pretty nice |
| [23:01:54] | stuartm: | floppyears: space online? Or a storage locker? Personally I wouldn't trust the former with my files, look at Gawker and then say that you're fine storing personal documents, pictures etc on some 'cloud' storage |
| [23:02:12] | sphery: | stuartm: thanks for the correction--I totally forgot about eit_cache |
| [23:02:14] | Crys: | me neither |
| [23:02:39] | floppyears: | stuartm: space online or space in another building to store your backups |
| [23:02:53] | Crys: | I store them inside an encrypted container on a remote box. Boxbackup is useful for that – or rsync over ssh and a truecrypt container. |
| [23:03:04] | stuartm: | my stuff goes in a fireproof safe at home – if I had a good off-site storage location I might use that instead but it wouldn't be so convenient |
| [23:03:18] | floppyears: | ah |
| [23:03:57] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | floppyears: Relative's homes |
| [23:04:36] | Crys: | The most important stuff shouldn't be so large: Mails, address book, pictures, some documents. Probably just a few GB with slow growth rate. |
| [23:04:45] | floppyears: | good point |
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| [23:05:16] | Crys: | you can always buy or redownload a movie but nothing can bring back lost images of your kids, pets or last vacation. |
| [23:06:34] | Crys: | I mirror my important stuff on two different computers at home and remote at least once a week. |
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| [23:07:52] | floppyears: | yeah, I have to get better about backups |
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| [23:09:17] | Crys: | rsync over ssh is really fast and convenient for simple backups. Script it and you just need to call the script once a week |
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| [23:10:12] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I send my MythTV database to Amazon S3 |
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| [23:14:16] | Crys: | floppyears: most people don't store the backup at a different location and forget about burglary, fire, water, lightning strike ... |
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| [23:17:03] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I want to be more vigilant about backups. |
| [23:17:51] | floppyears: | ah, I see |
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| [23:57:10] | allenmelon: | can anyone help me set up mythdroid so that i can watch mythtv from my phone? |
| [23:58:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: was that the commit hook's doing on #5763? |
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