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| [00:03:05] | baffle: | skd5aner: Any tips? |
| [00:03:35] | baffle: | Preferably I'd just like for it to ignore the fact that it is on the same transponder/multiplex. |
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| [00:57:59] | ** wagnerrp doesnt understand why people are still running 32-bit installs ** | |
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| [01:06:37] | Lantizia: | Hey has anyone ever seen any Ethernet based TV tuners? i.e. Tune in for you – and give out an mpeg stream... no need for USB or PCI tuners. |
| [01:07:06] | wagnerrp: | like... the HDHomeRun or Netceiver? |
| [01:07:15] | rooaus: | Lantizia: Have a look at http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/dvbt/ |
| [01:07:50] | Lantizia: | I don't want anything that needs any special software – just a bog standard MPEG stream |
| [01:08:02] | Lantizia: | i.e. tune in on any old media player program |
| [01:08:10] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun can be accessed directly by mythtv |
| [01:08:19] | Lantizia: | cool |
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| [01:08:48] | Lantizia: | I convert ISDN to SIP, PPPoA Broadband to Ethernet, GSM to SIP, now I'll convert DVB-T to MPEG Stream :) |
| [01:08:54] | Lantizia: | all with little boxes hehe |
| [01:09:06] | wagnerrp: | uh huh... |
| [01:09:23] | rooaus: | I haven't used the HDHR but think it will do the job, plus as wagnerrp said it has MythTV support. The SiliconDust guys often submit patches etc, so good support. |
| [01:09:47] | wagnerrp: | ive had one for two years now, works great |
| [01:09:49] | Lantizia: | So I'm guessing HDHomeRun is probably the easiest to get running with something like MythTV since there aren't even any drivers needed |
| [01:10:00] | wagnerrp: | there are drivers needed |
| [01:10:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just has them included |
| [01:10:05] | Lantizia: | why? |
| [01:10:18] | Lantizia: | or is that just for changing the channel? |
| [01:10:26] | wagnerrp: | and for streaming the video |
| [01:10:35] | Lantizia: | so how is it streamed? |
| [01:10:35] | wagnerrp: | and for autodetecting the box |
| [01:10:47] | wagnerrp: | just a raw bitstream |
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| [01:11:06] | Lantizia: | right so without drivers I could theoretically get VLC to just tune into it |
| [01:11:13] | Lantizia: | as long as I open up a port |
| [01:11:32] | wagnerrp: | they used to use VLC for exactly that purpose, before writing their own player software to do so |
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| [01:18:37] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think people actually still used ISDN |
| [01:18:51] | Lantizia: | it's not for data it's for calls |
| [01:19:04] | TheWarden: | Hi |
| [01:19:05] | TheWarden: | lol |
| [01:19:10] | wagnerrp: | yes, i didnt think people actually still used ISDN |
| [01:19:37] | TheWarden: | Is there any way I can control MythTV using a wireless mouse? |
| [01:19:38] | wagnerrp: | i mean youre paying an awful premium just for two voice channels |
| [01:20:02] | wagnerrp: | im sure you could find a business-grade SIP provide for far cheaper |
| [01:20:16] | wagnerrp: | TheWarden: sure, the same way you control mythtv using a wired mouse |
| [01:20:45] | TheWarden: | At my work we have an ISDN line for teleconferencing. Sadly we tried to purchase a new system that used VOIP but we were denied approval |
| [01:21:00] | TheWarden: | due to the fact that the payback was more then 1 year. It was 2 years btw. |
| [01:21:24] | TheWarden: | wagnerrp: really I've yet to have it work. I'll try again. |
| [01:21:38] | Lantizia: | well i don't use isdn myself – but we have customers that wanna hang on to them |
| [01:21:44] | wagnerrp: | TheWarden: mouse support in mythtv is really rather limited |
| [01:22:07] | Lantizia: | my point was I'm on a mission to find little boxes to convert non-usb/non-ethernet/non-bluetooth mediums into more useful ethernet equivalents |
| [01:22:13] | wagnerrp: | its not going to have enough buttons to really be usable |
| [01:22:16] | TheWarden: | wagnerrp: oh I just want to use it to select menu items and to play videos. So the basic stop start, puase etc. |
| [01:22:39] | wagnerrp: | there is some half-written gesture support in mythui |
| [01:23:07] | TheWarden: | wagnerrp: oh I have a wireless mouse with 5 buttons and 2 wheels along with the middle wheel can click down or go left or right plus scroll. |
| [01:23:26] | wagnerrp: | but apparently there isnt anyone with the combination of a device to use, the motivation to work on it, and the skill to actually make it work |
| [01:23:28] | TheWarden: | the other wheel clicks and scrolls. |
| [01:23:40] | TheWarden: | Oh I see okay... crappy. |
| [01:23:59] | TheWarden: | I'll work on making my iPhone then control it with freemote control |
| [01:24:21] | wagnerrp: | if youve got a bunch of extra buttons, you can use the X11 tools to remap them to keyboard commands that mythtv can read |
| [01:24:30] | TheWarden: | Mmm I don't see that my wife's blackberry will work though it says blackberry but its storm 1 |
| [01:24:56] | wagnerrp: | Lantizia: i cant imagine why anyone would want to hang onto ISDN |
| [01:25:10] | Lantizia: | wagnerrp, neither can I but they do |
| [01:25:30] | wagnerrp: | you have to pay a sizable premium because you have dedicated hardware in the phone company switch station |
| [01:25:31] | Lantizia: | also some customers still have ISDN phone systems so we have to convert the other way from SIP to isdn |
| [01:25:55] | Lantizia: | we use these little patton devices in either NT or TE mode |
| [01:26:10] | wagnerrp: | and as far as cost, you just cant beat the flexibility of SIP where you can just spawn off as many lines as you want on demand |
| [01:26:20] | Lantizia: | your preaching to the choir! |
| [01:26:30] | wagnerrp: | or even better, some kind of trunking protocol like IAX |
| [01:27:19] | Lantizia: | it just dawned on me today that I've got so used to little boxes to convert mediums (like the patton isdn converters, pppoe enabled pppoa modems, gsm gateways) |
| [01:27:21] | TheWarden: | yeah we both agree with you lol |
| [01:27:27] | Lantizia: | that why not apply the method to tv signals |
| [01:27:39] | Lantizia: | then tune in from wherever |
| [01:27:51] | wagnerrp: | mythtv /is/ that 'converter' |
| [01:28:13] | Lantizia: | it needs hardware anyway so why make it a usb/pci card... instead have a seperate box and the in built flexibility to tune in from anywhere |
| [01:28:28] | Lantizia: | wagnerrp, yeah and so can asterisk be that converter if using a TDM device... |
| [01:28:32] | wagnerrp: | if you are using mythtv, it must have dedicated access to the tuner |
| [01:28:42] | Lantizia: | you can't have multiple tune ins? |
| [01:28:57] | wagnerrp: | how would you manage that? |
| [01:29:17] | wagnerrp: | how would you handle conflicts with multiple devices trying to hit the same HDHomeRun |
| [01:29:18] | Lantizia: | well if it's just a raw mpeg stream what is to stop two PC's watching that? |
| [01:29:42] | wagnerrp: | because its unicast |
| [01:29:46] | wagnerrp: | it will only send to one device |
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| [01:30:12] | wagnerrp: | there is a much more expensive HDHomeRun TECH, which will multicast out video |
| [01:30:29] | wagnerrp: | but then you can still only view one multiplex at a time |
| [01:30:43] | wagnerrp: | (or two, considering it has two independent tuners) |
| [01:30:59] | Lantizia: | yeah |
| [01:31:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtv /is/ the device use to multiplex your video |
| [01:31:02] | Lantizia: | i like that idea better |
| [01:31:08] | wagnerrp: | you use mythtv to record your shows |
| [01:31:19] | Lantizia: | hdhr tech :) |
| [01:31:25] | wagnerrp: | and then any frontend on any compatible device with sufficient bandwidth can then play it at will |
| [01:32:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv gets dedicated access |
| [01:32:25] | wagnerrp: | and then everything else pulls video from mythtv |
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| [01:32:42] | Lantizia: | nah don't want that |
| [01:32:56] | wagnerrp: | so you dont want to record tv |
| [01:33:08] | Lantizia: | sure but that has nothing to do with it |
| [01:33:21] | wagnerrp: | that has everything to do with it |
| [01:33:28] | TheWarden: | I feel stupid asking this but what tool do I use to remap keyboard commands to my extra mouse buttons? Keyboard doesn't seem to have it |
| [01:33:30] | wagnerrp: | any DVR software is going to require dedicated access to tuner hardware |
| [01:33:41] | Lantizia: | if I watch a shoutcast TV channel... i just have to tune in to the right ip/port and watch from any media player I like |
| [01:33:57] | Lantizia: | i just want a box that can take the DVB-T signals and provide the same to as many clients as I want |
| [01:34:19] | Lantizia: | whatever I decide to watch that stream in... can choose if it wishes to record, pause, rewind, etc etc |
| [01:34:23] | wagnerrp: | if you want to schedule recordings, the software doing the scheduling needs to know that when it wants access, it will get unfettered access |
| [01:34:50] | Lantizia: | I'm told channel changing is done via 65001/tcp |
| [01:35:20] | wagnerrp: | you can dig through their library if you want, i dont know the port off hand |
| [01:35:41] | Lantizia: | if the box is solely meant for dedicated use by one instance of mythtv |
| [01:35:52] | Lantizia: | then why the hell put it on the network lol – may as well use usb |
| [01:36:18] | wagnerrp: | the advantage of having it on the network is that you can stuff it in your attic right next to the antenna |
| [01:36:29] | wagnerrp: | or stick it at the front of your house where the cable feed comes in |
| [01:36:42] | wagnerrp: | and leave your PC where ever is most convenient |
| [01:36:48] | Lantizia: | meh I'm not worried about that |
| [01:37:17] | wagnerrp: | antenna drops degrade in quality much faster than cat6 |
| [01:37:40] | wagnerrp: | any significant distance and youll have to start amplifying the signal |
| [01:38:01] | wagnerrp: | then its a fine line between not having sufficient signal, and having too powerful a signal |
| [01:38:11] | Lantizia: | it's not a problem |
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| [01:39:36] | wagnerrp: | the other advantage is that mythtv can have multiple backends, each with their own tuners and storage |
| [01:39:44] | wagnerrp: | lets say your one backend is down for maintenance |
| [01:39:53] | wagnerrp: | you can very easily switch the HDHR to the other backend |
| [01:39:59] | Lantizia: | i won't need a backend if I have this |
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| [01:40:42] | Lantizia: | i may not even need mythtv if i have this... any media center front end app would do providing it can tune into the udp stream and change the channel some how on the control tcp port |
| [01:46:58] | wagnerrp: | any media player with network support (VLC) should be able to stream from the device, but you will need a separate program to control the device |
| [01:47:17] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, you will not be able to schedule recordings without providing whatever program you are using dedicated access |
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| [02:04:31] | [R]: | wtf, they cancelled SGU |
| [02:04:41] | [R]: | life is no longer worth living... lol |
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| [02:06:18] | wagnerrp: | honestly, the show was too slow and soap opera-ish |
| [02:06:36] | wagnerrp: | too much backstabbing |
| [02:06:39] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:06:49] | [R]: | so no SGU and no atlantis movie |
| [02:06:53] | ** [R] gets all teery eyed ** | |
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| [02:44:56] | _Techie_: | is there any way to scan for channels on an analogue card? |
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| [02:57:07] | wagnerrp: | you can only scan for channels on tuner cards |
| [02:57:12] | wagnerrp: | you cannot scan when doing video capture |
| [02:57:26] | wagnerrp: | or when using the tuner with an external modulator |
| [02:59:04] | _Techie_: | i do believe i am currently doing none of that |
| [02:59:11] | _Techie_: | its a framegrabber tv tuner |
| [02:59:26] | wagnerrp: | well you shouldnt be using one of those anyway |
| [02:59:49] | _Techie_: | well unfortunately its what i have |
| [03:00:04] | wagnerrp: | youll be doing yourself a big favor by picking up an old PVR-150 |
| [03:00:06] | _Techie_: | if i knew where my winfast TV2000 XP was, i would be using that |
| [03:00:54] | wagnerrp: | the TV2000XP was also a framegrabber |
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| [03:02:33] | _Techie_: | i could get a PVR-150 but i dont have the money |
| [03:02:42] | _Techie_: | and would prefer to make what i already have work |
| [03:03:32] | wagnerrp: | not sure about new zealand, but theyre available used for $20-$25 |
| [03:03:38] | wagnerrp: | (over here in the states) |
| [03:04:10] | _Techie_: | i can grab one of the NZ auction site for $40 NZD |
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| [03:05:08] | jya: | wagnerrp: there are some differences. ion2 supports HBR audio for example, so you can do EAC3 and TrueHD passthrough |
| [03:05:14] | _Techie_: | but once again, thats $40 i dont want to spend, because its something i shoud be able to do with what i already have |
| [03:06:02] | wagnerrp: | jya: well sure, you get all the advantages of the newer decompressor, scaler, better extras |
| [03:06:09] | kav0rka^: | i've noticed its almost impossible now to get hold of a high performance fanless nvidia card...can anyone recommend an nvidia card that is super quiet and vdpau compatible for my frontend? |
| [03:06:19] | jya: | but no better vpdau ? :( |
| [03:06:22] | _Techie_: | 8400GS |
| [03:06:30] | wagnerrp: | but from a strictly performance standpoint, for the deinterlace filters, its not substantially more powerful |
| [03:06:36] | _Techie_: | half height card |
| [03:06:44] | jya: | you can find GT220 fanless |
| [03:06:50] | wagnerrp: | its a GT2xx card, so you do get divx decoding and the better scaler |
| [03:07:03] | jya: | and it's just a matter of time before you get GT430 fanless |
| [03:07:04] | wagnerrp: | kav0rka^: what do you consider 'high performance'? |
| [03:07:23] | jya: | surprised they aren't more common, it's a smaller die, lower TDP and like 40 degres less temperature |
| [03:07:32] | jya: | GT220 is 120 degres max, 430 is 90 |
| [03:07:52] | kav0rka^: | gt200?? interesting...i was looking at the nvidia 9800gt silent cell but they dont stock em. i guess by high peformance i just mean that it can play hd effortessly |
| [03:08:14] | wagnerrp: | kav0rka^: the GPU has very little to do with video playback |
| [03:08:21] | jya: | kav0rka^: if it's for mythtv, get a 4xx serie, the 430 is great |
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| [03:08:36] | wagnerrp: | any currently manufactured nvidia card has plenty of power for the OpenGL renderer |
| [03:08:38] | jya: | wagnerrp:??? what about vdpau or vaapi ? |
| [03:08:49] | kav0rka^: | thanks guys...somewhere to start with |
| [03:09:14] | wagnerrp: | and the GT220 mentioned is fast enough to handle the high end deinterlace filters available through VDPAU |
| [03:09:37] | jya: | don't we have a page with "video card of the day" on the wiki? |
| [03:09:37] | wagnerrp: | jya: even my lowly onboard 8200 handles the OpenGL renderer without issue |
| [03:09:43] | jya: | should put GT430 today |
| [03:10:06] | jya: | well, for video playback, I include the decoding of the frame |
| [03:10:30] | wagnerrp: | which has nothing to do with a 'high performance' card |
| [03:10:31] | jya: | seems we aren't talking about the same thing here |
| [03:11:02] | wagnerrp: | since an 8400GS through a 9800GTX is going to have the same video decode |
| [03:11:16] | jya: | all depends :) the deinterlacing comes to play |
| [03:11:22] | jya: | for pure decoding.. sure |
| [03:11:38] | kav0rka^: | so for vdpau performance which is better? |
| [03:11:59] | wagnerrp: | for the VDPAU deinterlacers, a GT220 or GT430 is plenty powerful |
| [03:12:06] | jya: | some equal or better than: 9500, GT220 or GT430 |
| [03:12:23] | jya: | with GT220 you get the extra 8 channels audio over hdmi |
| [03:12:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will not currently make use of anything more powerful than those |
| [03:12:41] | jya: | and with the gt430 you get the extra of DTS-HD and TrueHD digital passthrough |
| [03:12:54] | kav0rka^: | jya: does that mean i wont need an optic audio cable to my amp? |
| [03:13:05] | jya: | not with a GT220 or GT430 |
| [03:13:13] | jya: | it has a built-in audio card |
| [03:13:17] | wagnerrp: | any of the GTxxx cards support proper HDMI audio |
| [03:13:19] | jya: | well, digital audio |
| [03:13:19] | kav0rka^: | fantastic |
| [03:13:28] | kav0rka^: | i was wondering about that |
| [03:13:33] | jya: | wagnerrp: not really, GT2xx doesn't support HBR |
| [03:13:47] | wagnerrp: | the older 8xxx and 9xxx cards supported audio over HDMI, but required SPDIF passthrough with a 2-pin header |
| [03:14:03] | jya: | it kind of work, but YMMV and not officially supported |
| [03:14:35] | jya: | it gets complicated :) 9400M integrated, did support hdmi audio ... |
| [03:14:45] | wagnerrp: | well not exactly |
| [03:14:53] | jya: | but the 9400M chipset (or ion) is SMPTE order only |
| [03:15:02] | jya: | can remap it like alsa would like to |
| [03:15:07] | wagnerrp: | it was a full north bridge, audio video, and a bunch of other crap |
| [03:15:08] | jya: | so your channels are out of what |
| [03:15:21] | jya: | whack |
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| [03:16:18] | jya: | kav0rka^: if in the future , you plan of connecting an amplifier that supports TrueHD and DTS-HD, then get a GT430 |
| [03:16:25] | jya: | GT430 is heaps smaller too |
| [03:16:33] | wagnerrp: | just a guess, but ill bet the 'ION' video card that ZOTAC produces doesnt come with an audio device |
| [03:16:42] | jya: | my GT220, even with a fan takes almost two pcie slots |
| [03:16:55] | kav0rka^: | jya: will do. btw regarding the goom visualiser in mythmusic...that is purely cpu right? not gpu? i haven noticed that since upgrading to my 46inch lcd that it chugs |
| [03:17:02] | wagnerrp: | you got one of the double height fanless cards? |
| [03:17:03] | jya: | wagnerrp: you're probably right |
| [03:17:23] | jya: | wagnerrp: nah, it's a GT220 with a fan.. |
| [03:17:27] | kav0rka^: | jya: but is there a fanless version of the 430? |
| [03:17:36] | wagnerrp: | ive got one of the double height fanless 8400s |
| [03:17:36] | jya: | it's a full height card, and I need a free PCIe slot next to it |
| [03:17:44] | wagnerrp: | i never much trusted the heatsink |
| [03:18:00] | wagnerrp: | i actually had to replace the first one, i claim the heatsink shifted and crushed the core |
| [03:18:09] | jya: | the GT430 is half-height, and can *almost* fit in one PCIe slot only |
| [03:18:27] | jya: | I haven't seen fanless GT430 yet, but if they can do it for the 220, they surely can for the 430 |
| [03:18:55] | kav0rka^: | how loud is it with a fan? is it noticable? |
| [03:19:08] | jya: | well, my card is new.. |
| [03:19:10] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500175 |
| [03:19:17] | wagnerrp: | fanless, but double height |
| [03:19:28] | jya: | so they are always silent when new, far less so than a hard drive |
| [03:19:29] | kav0rka^: | oh wow nice |
| [03:19:42] | jya: | I'll have to get back to you in one year |
| [03:19:56] | jya: | the one I got (Asus) is suppose to have a "dustless" fan |
| [03:19:59] | jya: | whatever that means |
| [03:20:06] | wagnerrp: | dustless fan? |
| [03:20:09] | kav0rka^: | yeah annoys me agter a month or two they start whirring |
| [03:20:32] | jya: | yeah, a special fan on which the dust can't stick :) |
| [03:20:47] | wagnerrp: | teflon coated or something? |
| [03:20:48] | jya: | wagnerrp: my GT430 comes with a half-height mount |
| [03:21:00] | jya: | the picture shows a different shape of the blade |
| [03:21:04] | jya: | more curved |
| [03:21:06] | jya: | let me find it.. |
| [03:21:15] | wagnerrp: | blade shape isnt going to do a thing |
| [03:21:19] | wagnerrp: | you can only do it through materials |
| [03:21:40] | jya: | whatever that is.. I wasn't going to take it appart |
| [03:21:50] | jya: | I wasn't too happy because it's a tiny fan |
| [03:21:58] | jya: | the GT220 I had had a 12cm fan |
| [03:22:06] | jya: | they are far less noisy |
| [03:22:18] | jya: | the G430 is a 5cm fan at the most |
| [03:22:32] | wagnerrp: | thats a pretty giant fan, ive never seen one that large on a video card |
| [03:22:59] | wagnerrp: | im not even sure a standard PCI board is 12cm across |
| [03:23:09] | jya: | yeah, that's why I liked it |
| [03:24:21] | jya: | http://www.asus.com.au/product.aspx?P_ID=oFWU . . . p;templete=2 |
| [03:24:39] | jya: | Dust-proof Fan |
| [03:24:39] | jya: | Unique fan design dissipates heat efficiently while extending a graphic card’s lifespan by 25%* through increased dust and particle resistance. |
| [03:24:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, even placing it right up against the motherboard, that would still put it like 2–3cm past the edge of the card |
| [03:24:58] | jya: | let me find you the gigabyte |
| [03:25:25] | wagnerrp: | whats that white crap on the top of the heatsink in that picture? |
| [03:25:45] | skd5aner: | I think that's a reflection |
| [03:25:57] | wagnerrp: | no, on the top, not the bevel |
| [03:26:02] | skd5aner: | it's a 45-degree angle |
| [03:26:26] | wagnerrp: | to the left of the fan, on the flat (not angled) part |
| [03:26:39] | skd5aner: | small bit of residue? |
| [03:26:46] | wagnerrp: | almost like they had some sticker on it they tore off |
| [03:26:49] | skd5aner: | I don't really see it though? |
| [03:27:03] | skd5aner: | yea, I see what you're talking about |
| [03:27:33] | skd5aner: | the photographer was eating a crispy cream before placing the card ;) |
| [03:28:09] | wagnerrp: | oh.. i see what theyre talking about |
| [03:28:23] | wagnerrp: | http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2656941 |
| [03:28:35] | wagnerrp: | the fan itself will get as dusty as normal |
| [03:28:53] | wagnerrp: | but they provide additional baffling to protect the innards |
| [03:29:03] | wagnerrp: | prevent dust from getting into the bearing |
| [03:30:04] | skd5aner: | I've got a fan going bad on my CPU heatsink :/ |
| [03:30:20] | skd5aner: | it's buzzing, can touch it – stops buzzing for a minute, then back to buzzing agian |
| [03:30:30] | skd5aner: | kind of frustrating – fan is 3 years old |
| [03:30:39] | skd5aner: | good quality too |
| [03:31:58] | wagnerrp: | go to a hardware store, get a couple dollar tube of graphite, clean up the hub, lube it back up |
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| [03:32:15] | wagnerrp: | usually gives me about a year before it starts getting noisy again |
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| [03:34:43] | jya: | wagnerrp: what white crap? |
| [03:35:13] | wagnerrp: | looks like some sort of sticker residue on the top of the heatsink |
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| [03:37:21] | jya: | wagnerrp: my bad, it's 80mm fan |
| [03:37:55] | jya: | skd5aner: that's what a vacuum cleaner is for :) |
| [03:38:09] | wagnerrp: | thats still pretty wide anymore, they like to put in 60mm centrifugal fans now |
| [03:38:31] | jya: | it had a big sticker "80mm Large Fan" :) |
| [03:38:47] | wagnerrp: | stuck over top the fan, no less |
| [03:39:14] | jya: | that's the one |
| [03:39:14] | jya: | http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-p . . . ?pid=3236#ov |
| [03:39:27] | jya: | except the fan isn't like that |
| [03:39:36] | jya: | it's not a plastic blueish one |
| [03:39:55] | jya: | it's either black-coated aluminium |
| [03:40:04] | jya: | or some kind of hard black plastic |
| [03:40:20] | jya: | not that frozen haster's butt colour |
| [03:40:36] | wagnerrp: | but dont you want the glowing translucent blue fan? |
| [03:40:42] | wagnerrp: | more lights mean better performance |
| [03:40:55] | jya: | nah, I want the hot chicks on the box of all those video cards |
| [03:40:57] | wagnerrp: | a side window gives you another 10fps of video playback |
| [03:41:03] | jya: | you know the one elf-looking with a massive gun |
| [03:41:55] | jya: | was looking at getting a new PC |
| [03:42:14] | jya: | it's amazing the number of case with built-in LEDs and semi-transparent window |
| [03:42:23] | wagnerrp: | s/amazing/sad/ |
| [03:42:25] | jya: | why would anyone want to look inside their PC |
| [03:43:03] | jya: | BTW, decided to wait for the sandy bridge |
| [03:43:16] | jya: | i'm in no hurry to upgrade |
| [03:43:28] | wagnerrp: | that the intels with the integrated video controller? |
| [03:44:26] | jya: | yes.. but it's also a new range of 32mm processor, quad-core |
| [03:44:32] | wagnerrp: | same die, rather than just the same package like the current i3/5s |
| [03:44:41] | jya: | can't find quad-core 32mm other than high-end i7 1366 |
| [03:45:08] | jya: | the anandtech review of the prototype is rather good |
| [03:45:17] | jya: | i5–2400 it's called |
| [03:45:27] | wagnerrp: | the i7 quads are all 45nm |
| [03:45:48] | jya: | not the sandy bridge |
| [03:45:53] | jya: | coming early next year |
| [03:45:59] | wagnerrp: | the current ones i mean |
| [03:46:12] | jya: | yeah, that's why I decided to wait |
| [03:46:24] | jya: | the only 32nm are dual core only with GPU |
| [03:46:46] | jya: | i don't really follow intel logic with their new naming convention |
| [03:46:53] | wagnerrp: | no one does |
| [03:46:57] | jya: | they said that i3, i5, i7 was going to be easier |
| [03:47:19] | jya: | each time I have to go on intel web site to find out if it quad, dual, have gpu, or hyperthreading |
| [03:47:36] | wagnerrp: | but they divided the families using hyperthreading and turbo mode |
| [03:47:53] | wagnerrp: | two fairly marginal features that honestly should just be enabled across the board |
| [03:48:12] | wagnerrp: | considering the silicon all supports it |
| [03:48:25] | jya: | like looking at this table for the new one |
| [03:48:28] | jya: | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search? . . . nk&gl=au |
| [03:48:33] | wagnerrp: | they /could/ have used socket as a division between them |
| [03:48:36] | jya: | the same number i5–2400 |
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| [03:48:46] | wagnerrp: | they /could/ have used the integrated graphics controller as a division between them |
| [03:48:53] | jya: | give you a processor between 2.3GHz up to 3.3 |
| [03:48:53] | wagnerrp: | both pretty significant differences |
| [03:49:07] | wagnerrp: | but no, they chose some arbitrary divisor |
| [03:49:09] | jya: | what I wanted was a quad-core chipset |
| [03:49:18] | jya: | not a hard requirement |
| [03:49:31] | jya: | looking at the nmber, there's no way I could tell if a processor is dual or quad |
| [03:50:02] | wagnerrp: | the i3s are all dual core with graphics, no hyperthreading or turbo |
| [03:50:13] | jya: | that I got yes.. |
| [03:50:21] | jya: | i7 is dual core, or quadcore |
| [03:50:24] | wagnerrp: | the i5–6xx are all dual core with graphics, no hyperthreading, yes turbo |
| [03:50:43] | wagnerrp: | i5–7xx are quad core, no graphics, no hyperthreading, yes turbo |
| [03:50:43] | jya: | then you have 32nm vs 42nm |
| [03:51:00] | wagnerrp: | the i7–8xx are identical to the i5–7xx but with hyperthreading |
| [03:51:16] | wagnerrp: | and the i7–9xx are quad and hex, with hyperthreading and turbo |
| [03:51:30] | jya: | the 9xx are 1366 socket no? |
| [03:51:33] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:51:38] | jya: | different beast all together |
| [03:51:52] | jya: | I bought a 920 last year.. |
| [03:51:56] | wagnerrp: | the chips with graphics (and the 6-core i7s) are the only 23nm chips |
| [03:51:58] | jya: | it really rocks |
| [03:51:58] | wagnerrp: | 32nm |
| [03:52:29] | jya: | wagnerrp: they have some 6 core xenon, that have a TDP of 70W only |
| [03:52:34] | jya: | but $950 the chip |
| [03:52:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and probably top out at 2GHz |
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| [03:52:55] | jya: | no actually, much faster than that |
| [03:53:00] | jya: | let me find that table again |
| [03:53:08] | jya: | was the most complicated thing ever |
| [03:53:47] | wagnerrp: | 2.26GHz @ 60W |
| [03:54:27] | wagnerrp: | 2.4GHz @ 90W... and a socket 604??? wow |
| [03:56:20] | wagnerrp: | so the desktop chips are 2.66GHz and 130W, the identical Xeon is only rated at 95W |
| [03:56:38] | jya: | can't find that table anymore. |
| [03:56:47] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if the destop ones are just a lower stability binning, so they run at a higher vcore |
| [03:56:51] | jya: | but the xeon where almost half the power of the i7 9xx |
| [03:57:02] | jya: | but 3 times the price |
| [04:00:34] | wagnerrp: | so i guess its a good time to replace the thermal grease when youve got dust caked around the die |
| [04:02:18] | jya: | right.. back to my DTS-HD stuff.. |
| [04:02:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i should get back to the jobqueue |
| [04:02:47] | jya: | that thing is so shitty, there is *no* way to tell the difference between DTS, DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA |
| [04:02:56] | jya: | unless you look into the packet itself |
| [04:03:04] | wagnerrp: | bitrate? |
| [04:03:18] | jya: | and even when you do, there's nothing in the header that separate DTS-HD MA and DTS-HD Hi Res |
| [04:03:22] | wagnerrp: | 1.5mbps vs. 4mbps vs. 10mbps |
| [04:03:29] | jya: | they could both be < 6.144Mbps |
| [04:03:42] | jya: | the DTS-HD MA track I have on Disdney BD |
| [04:03:43] | jya: | a |
| [04:03:44] | jya: | r |
| [04:03:44] | jya: | e |
| [04:03:44] | jya: | al |
| [04:03:44] | jya: | l |
| [04:03:44] | jya: | |
| [04:03:53] | jya: | are all 6.1Mbps |
| [04:04:29] | jya: | and the funny thing, DTS-HD MA or High-Res can both be sent on either 2 channels 192kHz or 8 channels 192kHz |
| [04:04:51] | jya: | except that not all amp seem to like it |
| [04:04:59] | jya: | ffmpeg is unable to tell the difference either |
| [04:05:12] | jya: | there are no function to check what kind of DTS stream it is |
| [04:05:12] | wagnerrp: | i guess the problem is you can only bitstream it if you know the hardware on the other hand can handle it |
| [04:05:23] | wagnerrp: | so you have no choice but to figure out what it is ahead of time/ |
| [04:05:29] | jya: | yeah, that's why you have a user settings too |
| [04:05:51] | jya: | right now I've done: if DTS only -> always extract dts-core |
| [04:06:06] | jya: | if HD mode: ony extract the 6.1Mbps stream |
| [04:06:14] | jya: | if HD lossless, assume is DTS-HD MA |
| [04:06:28] | jya: | even though it could be DTS-HD HighRes |
| [04:06:32] | jya: | my amp doesn't seem to mind |
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| [04:13:08] | wagnerrp: | oh fun, i just unplugged my desktop |
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| [04:34:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | I bumped the power plug of my master backend ever so slightly earlier today... BOOM |
| [04:34:55] | wagnerrp: | no, this was intentional |
| [04:35:00] | wagnerrp: | i just thought it was something else |
| [04:35:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | still sounds like an accident. |
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| [05:34:14] | zoran119: | hey, i'm in +10:00 time zone (set in the backend config) |
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| [05:34:27] | zoran119: | but all my tv schedules are off by an hour |
| [05:35:00] | zoran119: | could it be that we have daylight savings on and i should set the time zone to +11:00 |
| [05:35:03] | zoran119: | ? |
| [05:35:44] | kormoc: | Is your system timezone set to one that handles DST correctly? |
| [05:38:43] | [R]: | wagnerrp: you there? |
| [05:38:57] | wagnerrp: | sorta |
| [05:39:11] | [R]: | r = self.decodeobj(txt, 0, only_object_or_array=not self._allow_any_type_at_start) |
| [05:39:19] | [R]: | wagnerrp: its python, do you know what the syntax means with the =? |
| [05:40:16] | wagnerrp: | i dont see one of those in the above code |
| [05:40:33] | [R]: | only_object_or_array=not self._allow_any_type_at_start |
| [05:40:54] | [R]: | and theres a space after the not, i dindt see that before |
| [05:41:08] | wagnerrp: | not means opposite |
| [05:41:25] | [R]: | so what value doe steh function get? |
| [05:41:32] | wagnerrp: | if self._allow_any_type_at_start is any instance that resolves to True, it returns False |
| [05:41:52] | [R]: | so does only_object_or_array get false and the function param is false? |
| [05:41:56] | wagnerrp: | and it is setting it to the keyword input only_object_or_array |
| [05:42:40] | [R]: | aparently only_object_or_array is the name of the param, to that function, if that matters |
| [05:42:54] | wagnerrp: | thats what i just said |
| [05:42:58] | zoran119: | kormoc: not sure... i can tell you that the time is correct and the timezone is set to australia/sydney |
| [05:43:14] | [R]: | ok, i see what happening |
| [05:43:16] | [R]: | the function has 6 params |
| [05:43:20] | [R]: | but only 3 are being passed |
| [05:43:21] | kormoc: | zoran119, it could be that your listing provider is incorrect |
| [05:43:24] | [R]: | so that tells it which param you are using |
| [05:44:58] | [R]: | python is confusing |
| [05:44:58] | [R]: | hehe |
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| [05:46:56] | wagnerrp: | some people's python is short and flaccid |
| [05:47:01] | wagnerrp: | its nothing to be ashamed about |
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| [05:47:17] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [05:47:20] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [05:48:22] | wagnerrp: | well my CPU and VGA fans are both toast |
| [05:48:53] | [R]: | how did that happen? |
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| [05:50:57] | wagnerrp: | age |
| [05:51:06] | wagnerrp: | and it seems the VGA one is integrated into the shroud |
| [05:51:18] | wagnerrp: | wonder if i can replace the bearings |
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| [05:54:00] | [R]: | i love that i have a button mapped to D on my remote |
| [05:55:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | [R] yeah, it makes it much nicer. no need for the old "Delete Recordings" screen, you can delete a recording quickly when it gets near the end, etc.. and lots of other screens use a DELETE binding now as well. |
| [05:57:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, there we go. I'm using this ebuild now |
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| [05:57:52] | wagnerrp: | sandboxing fixed? |
| [05:57:57] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [05:59:18] | wagnerrp: | anyone have any experience with aftermarket VGA coolers? |
| [05:59:21] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be in the market |
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| [06:00:09] | kormoc: | Zalman |
| [06:00:18] | kormoc: | pretty good stuff |
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| [06:04:20] | wagnerrp: | a tuft of graphite will fix sleeve bearings, but it seems to do nothing but harm to ball bearing ones |
| [06:05:25] | [R]: | tuft? |
| [06:05:54] | wagnerrp: | small squeeze of the tube, to produce a spray of graphite on the hub |
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| [06:09:47] | wagnerrp: | any idea how this thing attaches to the heatsink? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186016 |
| [06:09:54] | wagnerrp: | i dont see any screws or anything |
| [06:10:32] | [R]: | you don't screw it? |
| [06:10:35] | [R]: | that's what she said... |
| [06:10:36] | [R]: | :) |
| [06:11:00] | [R]: | looks pretty big... |
| [06:11:23] | wagnerrp: | ive got two slots free below it |
| [06:11:37] | [R]: | the 3rd pic |
| [06:11:41] | [R]: | those kinda look like screws |
| [06:12:04] | wagnerrp: | ah, i see the tiny metal bars |
| [06:12:10] | wagnerrp: | that just looks... flimby |
| [06:12:14] | wagnerrp: | flimsy |
| [06:12:44] | [R]: | its "Media Endorsed" though... |
| [06:12:45] | [R]: | lol |
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| [06:27:13] | zoran119: | when do livetv recordings expire? |
| [06:27:31] | zoran119: | when i'm running out of space? or after a day? by default this is... |
| [06:28:24] | [R]: | 1 day |
| [06:28:34] | [R]: | but if you run out of sapce aerly, autoexpire kicks in |
| [06:31:05] | zoran119: | [R]: awesome... thanks |
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| [06:45:46] | zoran119: | [R]: and scheduled recordings? when the space runs out? |
| [06:46:17] | wagnerrp: | livetv always expires before scheduled recordings |
| [06:46:37] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [06:46:37] | [R]: | zoran119: if you have no livetv, any autoexpirable recordings will expire |
| [06:46:50] | wagnerrp: | i kept typing 'y's and couldnt figure out why |
| [06:46:59] | wagnerrp: | my 'y' key had been jammed down and stuck |
| [06:46:59] | zoran119: | oldest first? |
| [06:47:16] | [R]: | theres a few algorithms for it actually |
| [06:47:18] | [R]: | its in the settings somewhere |
| [06:47:31] | wagnerrp: | you can see the expire order in Manage Recordings |
| [06:47:33] | [R]: | wagnerrp: atleast your shift wans't |
| [06:47:38] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that ALWAYS throws me off |
| [06:47:52] | wagnerrp: | [R]: WHAT ABOUT MY SHIFT KEY????!!?!?!?!?!?!!?! |
| [06:48:06] | [R]: | wagnerrp: no, like when random stuff dosent work, because the shift is pressed |
| [06:48:11] | [R]: | not just text that comes out in caps |
| [06:48:27] | wagnerrp: | i have problems with the control key |
| [06:48:42] | wagnerrp: | between synergy and xpra, the current state tends to get flipped |
| [06:48:47] | [R]: | xpra? |
| [06:49:00] | wagnerrp: | so ill start typing, and fire off all sorts of commands in whatever application im in |
| [06:49:18] | wagnerrp: | synergy is an application to share mouse and keyboard between multiple X servers and Windows sessions |
| [06:49:25] | [R]: | i know synergy |
| [06:49:29] | wagnerrp: | xpra is a 'screen' type program for X applications |
| [06:49:36] | [R]: | hrm, intersting |
| [06:49:40] | wagnerrp: | sort of like a rootless VNC |
| [06:51:43] | [R]: | i thought they discontinued the kin phones? |
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| [07:03:44] | clever: | wagnerrp: i sometimes get capslock messed up in synergy |
| [07:03:46] | clever: | it must be on to type in lowercase |
| [07:04:01] | clever: | might be shift though thats half stuck |
| [07:18:12] | k_ross: | i've been using synergy every day for about a year, never had the shift problem. it does crash occasionally, though. not sure if that's more annoying than a stuck shift key |
| [07:25:23] | clever: | most of my problem is focus trouble when synergy and ratpoison clash |
| [07:25:44] | clever: | synergy restores the last window to have focus when i enter the screen |
| [07:25:47] | clever: | ratpoison doesnt raise that to the top |
| [07:26:09] | clever: | and sometimes, it returns the focus to nothing, and with 1 window open, ratpoison refuses to return focus back to it |
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| [08:55:27] | DaPsou: | Hi, does the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/record_multiple_ch . . . apture_Cards parts is mandatory for 0.24 branch ? |
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| [10:13:58] | chelz: | any good forum or source where people post HTPC's they've built and the parts they used? (to find out what parts work well together, especially cases and cpu coolers) |
| [10:22:36] | zoran119: | if i press 'R' while watching tv, mythtv will record the rest of the current show... |
| [10:23:01] | zoran119: | but i want it to record for another 10 min after the show's scheduled ending |
| [10:23:22] | zoran119: | (because this channel is always running late) |
| [10:23:26] | zoran119: | is that possible? |
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| [10:28:24] | clever: | zoran119: i think you can go to the list of recordings and then edit the end time |
| [10:28:35] | clever: | the watch recordings list |
| [10:28:51] | zoran119: | clever: ok... will try |
| [10:33:52] | _Techie_: | ive run into a brick wall setting up my TV tuner, according to the CLI app scantv, my device has no tuner, could this be correct? |
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| [10:48:37] | springer: | I need advice as to getting my dvb-t usb card recognizing the firmware. The relevant firmware is saved in /lib/firmware, but if I look at dmesg it does not even try to load the firmware |
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| [10:51:57] | Diverdude: | How do i play the content of an audio cd without ripping it? |
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| [11:00:01] | Diverdude: | any1? |
| [11:00:55] | springer: | I don't know but do you know anything about setting up tuners to load firmware? |
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| [11:42:40] | blizzard_: | looking at the boxee box as a possible second frontend |
| [11:43:03] | blizzard_: | can it be used with my mythtv backend or should I go for another zotac zbox with mythtv-frontend? |
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| [12:22:53] | xand: | whoever designed the boxee box (the actual box) needs a good slap |
| [12:36:30] | zoran119: | it seems that mythvideo has remembered metadata for a file... partially... and i cannot get rid of it |
| [12:36:35] | zoran119: | the problem is... |
| [12:37:01] | zoran119: | i update the metadata but it is the old metadata that is used in mythvideo browse mode |
| [12:37:17] | zoran119: | how do i get the new titles to be showing up in the browse mode? |
| [12:38:40] | zoran119: | front end restart seems to do it... |
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| [13:48:50] | okolsi: | jya: should we continue here? |
| [13:48:56] | jya: | yepper |
| [13:49:27] | okolsi: | should I take now fresh logs with that audio test ? |
| [13:49:53] | jya: | if you want to. |
| [13:50:02] | jya: | there are no error in your logs as such |
| [13:51:24] | okolsi: | hmm.. this used to work like ~month ago or something, I'm not watching multi-channel content that often so haven't noticed when exactly this has broken |
| [13:52:56] | zoran119: | is there a keyboard shortcut to reset the metadata in mythvideo? |
| [13:55:06] | sidh: | Greetings |
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| [13:56:08] | jya: | okolsi: you said you don't get audio with spdif on that machine? |
| [13:56:14] | jya: | what about if you set it to stereo? |
| [13:56:55] | okolsi: | I watch all the time SD DVB recordings with 2-channel audio.. that works and also MP3 music, but multi-channel audio fron DVD or from one single test DVB recording do not work now |
| [13:57:18] | okolsi: | so SPDIF is working great but not when multi channel passthrough is used |
| [13:58:09] | sidh: | I'm planning to upgrade my htpc with a asus AT5IONT-I mobo, and as it has 64bits instruction support, I would like to know if it is better to stay on a 32 bits OS , or can I go with 64 bits ? |
| [13:58:43] | jya: | okolsi: try playing the same file with mplayer |
| [13:58:49] | sidh: | because if 2 GB RAM DDR3 is enough, this amount can be handle by both 32 and 64 bits |
| [13:59:17] | okolsi: | jya: just a sec, fresh log here but maybe nothing new: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2022804 |
| [13:59:30] | jya: | with: -ao=alsa:device=iec958 -ac=hwac3,hwdts, file.blah |
| [13:59:33] | sidh: | so i would need your advice/feedback ? |
| [13:59:40] | jya: | sidh: won't make much difference these days. |
| [14:00:08] | jya: | if you want a dedicated mythtv frontend, then 64 bits is perfectly fine |
| [14:00:18] | jya: | you may have issues with some utilties, like Flash |
| [14:00:38] | sidh: | even for handling the the dvd-t card (AVerMedia AVerTV Duo Hybrid PCI-E II |
| [14:00:40] | jya: | but these days, 64 bits support in linux is excellent |
| [14:02:33] | sidh: | jya: in fact it will be a backend+ front end for the moement |
| [14:02:35] | sidh: | moment |
| [14:02:42] | sidh: | for the living room |
| [14:04:42] | sidh: | and do you think 2GB RAM is enough for mythtv dedicated machine for playing 72Op/1080p movies ? |
| [14:05:17] | jya: | sidh: yes |
| [14:05:37] | jya: | ram is so cheap these days, doesn't make much difference |
| [14:05:45] | jya: | get 4GB |
| [14:05:58] | jya: | then you'll stop wondering if it's enough |
| [14:06:50] | sidh: | ok thank you for your advices |
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| [14:14:14] | okolsi: | jya: took some time but it works with mplayer |
| [14:14:40] | jya: | with alsa:device=iec958 ? you get 5.1 audio ? |
| [14:14:51] | okolsi: | from the amp i can verify that it outputs 5.1, also tested mplayer with DVD and that works also |
| [14:14:56] | okolsi: | yes |
| [14:14:57] | jya: | ok.. |
| [14:15:10] | jya: | so go in mythtv, go into Advanced Settings |
| [14:15:18] | jya: | check override passthrough device |
| [14:15:50] | jya: | and in it enter ALSA:iec958:AES0=6 |
| [14:16:19] | jya: | save and try again the the test screen |
| [14:16:25] | jya: | and paste the log |
| [14:17:58] | okolsi: | tested that but it complained.. then I changed it to the format that was there already and it worked :) |
| [14:18:24] | okolsi: | format is: ALSA:iec958:{ AESO 0x02 } |
| [14:18:44] | jya: | ALSA:iec958:AES0=6 should work |
| [14:18:59] | jya: | but so will { AES0 0x02 } |
| [14:19:08] | jya: | be better with 0x06 |
| [14:19:30] | jya: | it shouldn't complain with ALSA:iec958:AES0=6 |
| [14:20:13] | okolsi: | i'll check logs, with that one when i try to enter the test page, there is a popup saying that |
| [14:20:43] | okolsi: | ALSA:iec958:CARD=ICH5,DEV=0 is invalid or not useable |
| [14:20:49] | jya: | sigh... |
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| [14:20:58] | jya: | I gave you instructions.. |
| [14:21:02] | jya: | why don't you follow them? |
| [14:21:34] | jya: | I asked you to enter the advanced screen, check override passthru device, and in that entry type: ALSA:iec958:AES0=6 |
| [14:21:49] | okolsi: | thats exactly what i'm doing.. |
| [14:22:01] | okolsi: | and keeping the main audio output device as it is |
| [14:22:05] | jya: | then you wouldn't get that error |
| [14:22:29] | jya: | in the log, it will tell you why. |
| [14:22:40] | jya: | if you set it to stereo, it will use the main audio output device |
| [14:22:41] | okolsi: | i'll check |
| [14:22:49] | jya: | if you set it to 5.1, it will use the passthrough device |
| [14:23:50] | okolsi: | maybe this explains something: 2010-12–18 16:23:26.393 Passthru device ALSA:iec958:AESO=6 isn't usable Check audio configuration |
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| [14:24:19] | okolsi: | and before that ALSA errors about Unknown parameter AESO |
| [14:24:40] | jya: | then you are likely playing audio elsewhere |
| [14:25:02] | jya: | if you did -ao alsa:device=iec958 with mplayer |
| [14:25:17] | jya: | the device it will open is iec958:AES0=6 |
| [14:25:28] | jya: | so if it worked in mplayer, it must work in mythtv |
| [14:25:38] | jya: | the log will tell you |
| [14:25:40] | jya: | ahahah |
| [14:25:43] | jya: | not AESO |
| [14:25:45] | jya: | AES0 |
| [14:25:48] | jya: | zero |
| [14:25:52] | jya: | not the letter O |
| [14:26:03] | okolsi: | :D |
| [14:26:37] | okolsi: | yes.. that works |
| [14:27:17] | okolsi: | like I said earlier in dev channel, I'm lousy with linux audio.. :) |
| [14:27:27] | okolsi: | it seems too complicated |
| [14:27:39] | okolsi: | but thanks a lot!! |
| [14:28:05] | jya: | I told you exactly what to do |
| [14:28:21] | jya: | here I'm just troubleshooting to see if it's the extra parameters I now set |
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| [14:28:39] | jya: | so there are good reasons I'm asking you test test it that way |
| [14:29:32] | okolsi: | yep.. do you think this step that was wrong with my setup, could be improved somehow? |
| [14:30:00] | jya: | if it works with the audio settings I've just given you |
| [14:30:17] | jya: | then I know what's wrong and I can fix it here... (though I doubt it's the issue) |
| [14:30:24] | okolsi: | yes, now it works perfectly.. |
| [14:30:52] | jya: | really? |
| [14:30:54] | jya: | in 5.1 ? |
| [14:30:58] | okolsi: | the only problem that I see was there, was that the passthrough device was not set |
| [14:31:08] | jya: | there is no need to set the passthrough device |
| [14:31:26] | jya: | by default, it will try to open device with the settings: |
| [14:31:35] | jya: | AES0=6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x00,AES3=0x01 |
| [14:31:39] | jya: | with this you get no audio |
| [14:31:48] | jya: | when I told you to override the setting |
| [14:31:58] | jya: | it forces myth to open with AES0=6 only |
| [14:32:25] | jya: | AES1=0x82,AES2=0x00,AES3=0x01 is something I've only recently added |
| [14:32:34] | jya: | because I was told that how it had to be done |
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| [14:32:48] | jya: | I have no idea what exactly those do, but it obviously break it for you |
| [14:33:05] | okolsi: | yes, exactly |
| [14:33:50] | jya: | I added those for TrueHD passthrough |
| [14:34:02] | jya: | but it breaks standard passthrough |
| [14:34:06] | jya: | bugger |
| [14:38:53] | jya: | okolsi, can you edit the file mythtv/libs/libmyth/audio/audiououtputalsa.cpp |
| [14:39:44] | jya: | and replace line 84: |
| [14:40:04] | jya: | AES0=6 AES1 0x82 AES2=0x00 AES3=0x01 with AES0=6 AES1=0x82 AES2=0x00 AES3=0x01 |
| [14:40:24] | jya: | then go back in the advanced audio settings, and uncheck the override passthrough checkbox |
| [14:40:26] | jya: | thanks! |
| [14:40:31] | jya: | see if that help |
| [14:40:35] | jya: | if that doesn't |
| [14:41:07] | okolsi: | i'll test that one |
| [14:41:12] | jya: | remove everything behing AES0=6 closing the string right behind |
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| [14:48:13] | okolsi: | both didn't work, if i tried it correctly.. the last one had this only: len, " AES0=6"); |
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| [14:52:49] | jya: | no change this for every line above too |
| [14:53:00] | jya: | not just that line |
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| [14:54:50] | okolsi: | okay |
| [14:55:26] | jya: | line 58, 69, 74 and 84 |
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| [15:02:20] | okolsi: | changing all lines to AES0=6 works, I'll test the longer version again with all lines |
| [15:02:37] | jya: | ok.. that's all I needed to know. |
| [15:02:39] | jya: | thank you for that |
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| [15:42:58] | sidh: | anybody has feedback for |
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| [15:43:15] | sidh: | Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2200 Media Center – Double Tuner TV Hybride PCI-Express ? |
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| [15:44:43] | sidh: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200 > seems supported , but in kind of performances, channel switching time , i don't know |
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| [15:53:41] | jya: | okolsi: Can you revert to the original aoalsa.cpp code; and only remove the ,AES3=0x01 from the various strings and see it it works for you ? |
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| [16:14:50] | okolsi: | jya: in 15 minutes |
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| [16:15:33] | jya: | I would need you to test a 44.1kHz passthrough file.. |
| [16:15:46] | jya: | I think this has been broken on your pc all this time |
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| [16:21:09] | okolsi: | hmm.. where to get one of those files..? |
| [16:21:56] | jya: | do you have some file with stereo 44.1kHz ? |
| [16:23:07] | okolsi: | not sure what standard dvb recordings have wihtin.. thats 2 channel though |
| [16:23:32] | jya: | most likely 48kHz |
| [16:23:41] | jya: | try this file: |
| [16:23:42] | jya: | http://filebin.ca/wwajzc/nachtschicht.asf |
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| [16:23:46] | jya: | that's 44.1kHz |
| [16:23:57] | jya: | so to get AC3 at 44.1kHz you enable the 5.1 upmixer |
| [16:24:08] | jya: | it will upmix, then encode as 44.1kHz AC3 |
| [16:24:17] | jya: | because the original audio is 44.1kHz |
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| [16:26:39] | okolsi: | removing that AES3=0x01 seems to make it work |
| [16:26:51] | okolsi: | not yet tested with filebin file |
| [16:29:58] | okolsi: | filebin is not responding.. |
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| [16:35:28] | jya: | ok... what about if you replace AES3=0x01 with AES3=0 ? |
| [16:35:55] | jya: | ah ok |
| [16:36:07] | jya: | yeah filebin seems down |
| [16:36:10] | jya: | oh well. |
| [16:36:55] | jya: | if you want to try a different branch, I've just pushed there: |
| [16:36:56] | jya: | git://github.com/jyavenard/mythtv.git |
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| [16:37:25] | jya: | the master branch has DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA and other fixes (including yours to spdif works) |
| [16:37:47] | jya: | and the fixes/0.24 branch there is fixes/0.24 stnard, with all the trunk audio backported |
| [16:37:55] | jya: | if you want to have a test. |
| [16:42:45] | jya: | hum.. just found a bug. well too late now will check tomorrow |
| [16:43:07] | okolsi: | AES3=0 does not work |
| [16:43:13] | jya: | no ? |
| [16:43:24] | okolsi: | no.. that 0x01 did |
| [16:43:52] | jya: | really? |
| [16:44:02] | jya: | but it doesn't work for 48kHz audio however |
| [16:44:03] | jya: | weird |
| [16:44:49] | okolsi: | blaah.. sorry, mixing up things, removing 0x01 did work but changing it to 0 did not |
| [16:44:58] | jya: | ah ok |
| [16:45:30] | jya: | and 0x02 ? |
| [16:45:50] | jya: | (that must work, it's ALSA's default when you aren't putting anything |
| [16:46:58] | okolsi: | lets see.. |
| [16:49:25] | okolsi: | yes, 0x02 works |
| [16:50:12] | okolsi: | I cloned your git tree but don't have time to test it or fixes/0.24 right now |
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| [17:42:05] | trumee: | I have upgraded from 0.23 to 0.24, and this storage groups is a bit confusing |
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| [17:42:51] | trumee: | I have a folder /mnt/a/Movies and /mnt/b/Movies. I added /mnt/a and /mnt/b to the Storage group. |
| [17:43:29] | trumee: | I want to see two folders a and b in the frontend. Is there any way to do that? |
| [17:44:28] | sphery: | sounds like you want to enable file browsing--which, IIRC, has some downsides (you lose some capabilities) |
| [17:44:44] | sphery: | that said, I'm not a mythvideo expert |
| [17:45:11] | trumee: | sphery: so what do i need to do? |
| [17:45:58] | trumee: | sphery: Problem is that i have videos spread over multiples harddisks. |
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| [17:47:16] | trumee: | /mnt/a/Fun, /mnt/a/Cool and /mnt/b/Fun, /mnt/b/Cool. If it were possible to merge Fun from both 'a' and 'b' and represent it as folder Fun, that would be awesome. Similarly for Cool. |
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| [17:50:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | hey all |
| [17:50:49] | darkdrgn2k3: | what do i need to do to get projectM working with visualization (trunk) |
| [17:51:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | also most of the stock vis say that FFT is not installed.. yet it compiled with it |
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| [17:58:58] | trumee: | crap, mythtvideo refuses to load my videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| [17:59:03] | trumee: | MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory Scanning Group (myth://Videos@pbx/mnt/stuff2/) |
| [17:59:15] | trumee: | i do a scan, but come out with nothing. How come............... |
| [18:00:03] | trumee: | permissions. possibly |
| [18:04:53] | trumee: | sorted. permissions was indeed the issue. |
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| [18:28:04] | beata000: | running .24 Audio issue. spdif out to av receiver. while watching videos, my audio works 80% of the time. However for the 20% of my videos audio does not work. When I try to watch them, I get no audio and then I have no audio whatsoever untill I reboot my system. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/SXKSvvpy This is log of a working audio and then not working audio with -v audio. |
| [18:28:11] | beata000: | Any ideas as to what the problem is? |
| [18:30:00] | beata000: | hm just saw this scroll up |
| [18:30:02] | beata000: | 2010-12–18 13:22:58.764 AO: Opening audio device '_' ch 2(6) sr 48000 sf signed 16 bit reenc 0 |
| [18:30:03] | beata000: | 2010-12–18 13:22:58.764 AOOSS: Opening OSS audio device '_'. |
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| [18:51:11] | Nokius1: | hey folks |
| [18:51:11] | Nokius1: | anyone the Asus AT5IONT-I and aslo problems with the HDMI port?! DVI works with mythbuntu but i try to connect my HTPC now via HDMI and it fails just black screen |
| [18:52:42] | beata000: | I set the force 48khz setting in advances audio settings and that seemed to fix everything. odd i dont remember setting this in the past |
| [18:54:11] | Nokius1: | @ beata000 u have the Asus AT5IONT-I?! or an ASUS prob? |
| [18:54:22] | wagnerrp: | unrelated problem |
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| [19:43:16] | wagnerrp: | i thought x86_64 didnt support mmx |
| [19:45:09] | Beirdo: | well, I guess you thought wrong :) |
| [19:45:38] | Beirdo: | it shows up in the /proc/cpuinfo on both my x86_64 boxes |
| [19:46:30] | Beirdo: | there's probably something else that would be missing, but mmx seems to be there |
| [19:46:49] | Beirdo: | that's on E5400 and i7–860, BTW |
| [19:47:10] | wagnerrp: | wikipedia page claims all existing x86_64 processors support them while in 64-bit mode |
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| [19:47:18] | wagnerrp: | but its technically not required by the spec |
| [19:47:38] | Beirdo: | quite possible |
| [19:49:49] | Beirdo: | I think I might get... adventurous |
| [19:50:27] | Beirdo: | try cross-compiling the mythsystem-rewrite branch again, and then put it onto my poor crappy laptop for some testing |
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| [19:56:07] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i dont know if you noticed, but i added a '--digest-only' option to the ebuild update script, that does exactly what your 'digest' dos |
| [19:56:39] | wagnerrp: | almost anyway, yours does it for all ebuilds, mine only does it for the ones specified in the list |
| [19:59:44] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [20:00:42] | wagnerrp: | just scrapes through, finds the latest ebuild in the folder, and digests it |
| [20:00:56] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, it doesnt really matter which ebuild you choose, it digests all in the folder? |
| [20:01:00] | kormoc: | I actually need to update the digest to wipe out existing Manifest files too |
| [20:01:06] | kormoc: | yeah, that's true |
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| [20:01:37] | wagnerrp: | wipe out the existing? what do you mean? |
| [20:02:00] | kormoc: | if I update myth-date's after the others are generated, they share the same tar.gz file name so myth-date will get the right one but mythvideo-date will have the wrong md5sum |
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| [20:02:11] | wagnerrp: | i thought whenever you did an 'ebuild ... digest', it writes the manifest from scratch |
| [20:02:16] | kormoc: | negative |
| [20:02:17] | kormoc: | only new files |
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| [20:05:30] | wagnerrp: | anyone know why the existing mythjobqueue connects to the backend? |
| [20:06:24] | kormoc: | mythproto verification |
| [20:06:46] | wagnerrp: | oh... it implements the mythsystem stuff |
| [20:06:49] | wagnerrp: | forgot about that |
| [20:07:44] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking it had no need for protocol verification, since everything it did was through the database |
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| [20:12:20] | trumee: | guys, how can i get mythtv-0.24 for Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 |
| [20:12:32] | wagnerrp: | from the mythbuntu repos |
| [20:12:38] | wagnerrp: | or built from your own source |
| [20:13:11] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i tried to follow this, http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds, but it only gives me 0.23.1 version |
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| [20:13:23] | wagnerrp: | so tell it you want 0.24 instead |
| [20:13:37] | wagnerrp: | or... they may not provide packages for 9.10 still |
| [20:14:28] | wagnerrp: | doesnt ubuntu drop old non-LTS releases pretty quickly? |
| [20:14:45] | trumee: | wagnerrp: unfortunately, i need the packages for Joggler, so building from source is not an option. |
| [20:15:08] | wagnerrp: | no, 9.10 should be supported for another 4 months or so |
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| [20:15:43] | trumee: | wagnerrp: I am given an option for 0.22, 0.23 and 0.23–1. There is no 0.24 |
| [20:16:14] | trumee: | wagnerrp: somebody else needs it as well http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/458946 |
| [20:19:47] | trumee: | wagnerrp: seems there are some 0.24 packages in JYA's repos. |
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| [20:20:22] | trumee: | god i hate these deb/rpm shit. Gentoo is so much better. |
| [20:21:03] | trumee: | everytime i have to use on of these binary distros, i feel i have turned into a begger and need to beg other people for packages. |
| [20:21:13] | ** trumee ends his rant. sorry! ** | |
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| [20:22:44] | wagnerrp: | switch back to gentoo? |
| [20:24:14] | wagnerrp: | although you certainly wouldnt want to build gentoo on a joggler |
| [20:24:24] | trumee: | wagnerrp: true |
| [20:24:33] | trumee: | it heats up like a frying pan. |
| [20:24:44] | wagnerrp: | thats because it has no heatsink |
| [20:24:45] | kormoc: | so cook breakfast and update your OS at the same time |
| [20:24:50] | kormoc: | multitasking for the win! |
| [20:24:55] | wagnerrp: | it has an insulator on the processor |
| [20:24:56] | trumee: | lol |
| [20:25:16] | trumee: | wagnerrp: it has a stand which is supposed to be a heatsink |
| [20:25:49] | wagnerrp: | it has a chunk of plastic, designed by someone who obviously has no training in thermodynamics, or materials, or common sense |
| [20:27:17] | trumee: | hmm. mythtv-0.24 doesnt return details from tmdb. |
| [20:27:19] | trumee: | Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M A Fish Called Wanda |
| [20:27:25] | trumee: | No results found for A Fish Called Wanda 0 0 |
| [20:27:46] | trumee: | i get that for all my videos. |
| [20:28:48] | kormoc: | run it via a CLI |
| [20:29:29] | trumee: | /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M A Fish Called Wanda returns |
| [20:29:34] | wagnerrp: | E_WORKSFORME |
| [20:29:35] | trumee: | ! Error: There must be one value for any option. Your options are ([u'A', u'Fish', u'Called', u'Wanda']) |
| [20:29:47] | trumee: | /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M "A Fish Called Wanda" works though. |
| [20:30:07] | trumee: | so the script is missing quotes? |
| [20:30:15] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [20:30:42] | wagnerrp: | what output do you get? |
| [20:30:57] | trumee: | it should be passing the video name in quotes but it doesnt when run from mythtv. |
| [20:31:17] | RDV_Linux: | trumee: If you are reading the tmdb.py call from the FE log it never displays the quotes but it uses them when making the call. |
| [20:31:25] | wagnerrp: | no, the command it says it runs is not quoting the title |
| [20:31:35] | wagnerrp: | the command it runs and the command it says it runs may be completely different |
| [20:31:43] | trumee: | RDV_Linux: i am indeed looking at the FE log. |
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| [20:32:07] | wagnerrp: | trumee: when you run it from the command line, with quotes, what do you get? |
| [20:32:18] | wagnerrp: | what is the first line of the response? |
| [20:32:23] | trumee: | wagnerrp:i do get the video details. |
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| [20:32:32] | trumee: | wagnerrp:<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?> |
| [20:32:32] | wagnerrp: | the first line, what is it? |
| [20:32:36] | wagnerrp: | ok |
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| [20:32:49] | wagnerrp: | most of the problems people have are that they have the old python bindings installed |
| [20:32:59] | wagnerrp: | and with the old python bindings, you get the old response |
| [20:33:03] | wagnerrp: | rather than the new XML format |
| [20:33:20] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i upgraded from 0.23.1 to 0.24, do i need to change something? |
| [20:33:32] | wagnerrp: | if you are getting XML, you should be fine |
| [20:33:58] | trumee: | wagnerrp: hey but the video is not being updated in mythvideo. |
| [20:35:08] | trumee: | wagnerrp: sorry, it is indeed being updated. |
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| [20:43:19] | trumee: | wagnerrp: why it doesnt want to write the image, http://www.pastie.org/1388244 |
| [20:44:15] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you either dont have write access or havent properly configured the Fanart and Coverart storage groups |
| [20:44:38] | wagnerrp: | with storage groups, the videos and artwork are all stored on the backend now |
| [20:49:16] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i do have specified the paths in the backend for fanart and coverart. |
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| [20:51:15] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ah!. now i am getting all the images. |
| [20:51:28] | trumee: | had to chmod uog+rw my artwork folders. |
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| [21:51:19] | Beirdo: | audio/audiooutpututil.cpp:7:22: error: byteswap.h: No such file or directory |
| [21:51:23] | Beirdo: | woohoo |
| [21:52:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, already mentioned it to jya |
| [21:52:51] | Beirdo: | this is me trying to cross-compile to windows, btw |
| [21:52:54] | wagnerrp: | probably best option is to stuff the defines into compat.h |
| [21:53:06] | wagnerrp: | yep, byteswap.h is a GNU-only file |
| [21:53:14] | wagnerrp: | so you get the same problem in freebsd or osx |
| [21:53:19] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:53:25] | Beirdo: | figures |
| [21:54:04] | Beirdo: | I #if 0 the #include, seems to compile fine |
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| [23:17:22] | Beirdo: | ./bdringbuffer.o:/opt/misc/src/mythtv/win32-cross/mythtv-git/mythtv/libs/libmyth tv/bdringbuffer.cpp:642: undefined reference to `_bd_mouse_select' |
| [23:17:31] | Beirdo: | more fun |
| [23:20:07] | Beirdo: | since I'm not testing THAT, I'll just hack that out for the exact second |
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| [23:29:05] | aertyu: | is there anyone here ? |
| [23:29:11] | aertyu: | HI |
| [23:29:17] | kormoc: | nope, we're all gone |
| [23:29:33] | aertyu: | i just discover mythtv |
| [23:29:47] | aertyu: | is that possible to stream TV channel with mythtv ? |
| [23:30:03] | wagnerrp: | it is possible to record tv with mythtv |
| [23:30:19] | wagnerrp: | and watch the in-progress recording on any machine networked with sufficient bandwidth |
| [23:30:44] | aertyu: | just only that ? |
| [23:31:11] | wagnerrp: | no DVR software or hardware just 'streams TV' |
| [23:31:12] | aertyu: | nowdays every media software does that |
| [23:31:28] | wagnerrp: | they exist to record, all DVRs record everything |
| [23:31:44] | wagnerrp: | even when you are watching 'livetv', you are really watching an in-progress recording |
| [23:31:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is no exception |
| [23:32:05] | kormoc: | I'm thinking he means watching content from the internet? |
| [23:32:18] | wagnerrp: | from the internet or two the internet? |
| [23:32:24] | wagnerrp: | s/two/to/ |
| [23:33:41] | kormoc: | aertyu, I'm really not clear on what you're asking. There might be another channel specific to your primary language. What is your primary language? |
| [23:34:05] | wagnerrp: | proxad is french |
| [23:34:13] | aertyu: | llol |
| [23:34:18] | aertyu: | yeah i m french |
| [23:34:25] | aertyu: | well, what i need is |
| [23:34:27] | kormoc: | I don't know offhand of any french specific channels |
| [23:34:38] | wagnerrp: | no, just the german on |
| [23:34:38] | wagnerrp: | e |
| [23:34:50] | wagnerrp: | (and this english one) |
| [23:34:57] | aertyu: | A TV streamer, for streaming multiple TV channel |
| [23:35:06] | kormoc: | isn't there a spanish one too? |
| [23:35:15] | wagnerrp: | is there? dont know |
| [23:35:30] | kormoc: | aertyu, TV streamer doesn't really explain anything. There's a ton of different meanings for streaming tv |
| [23:35:43] | wagnerrp: | aertyu: do you mean... you want to sit a box in your home with multiple DVB tuners, and stream TV out over the internet? or out over your network? |
| [23:35:49] | wagnerrp: | or are you talking about freebox iptv? |
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| [23:37:32] | aertyu: | yes i want to be like a provider like freebox iptv |
| [23:37:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is really designed for home use |
| [23:38:02] | wagnerrp: | it is designed to have one or more backends with tuner cards |
| [23:38:06] | aertyu: | and my users are in internet |
| [23:38:10] | wagnerrp: | and stream to one or more frontends located in your own home |
| [23:38:19] | kormoc: | aertyu, we don't support that usage model |
| [23:38:21] | wagnerrp: | it is not designed with security in mind |
| [23:38:36] | sphery: | aertyu: for what it's worth, my recommendation is to record TV with MythTV, then copy things you want to watch onto an external hard drive to take with you when you're not home--that way, you get full quality, high-resolution, high-bitrate TV even on the go (instead of whatever low-bitrate, low-resolution garbage you can successfully squeeze over your Internet uplink) |
| [23:38:37] | wagnerrp: | nor is it designed for use over low bandwidth, lossy links like the internet |
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| [23:38:47] | wagnerrp: | no is there any access control for commercial use |
| [23:39:04] | sphery: | ah, though now I see you're not looking to get it on the go... nevermind |
| [23:39:13] | wagnerrp: | you /can/ use mythtv to do this, but youre looking at a /lot/ of work to make it behave as needed |
| [23:39:39] | Beirdo: | and a lot of legal bills when you get caught |
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| [23:40:02] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: theres nothing stopping you from doing it if you set up your own dishes and actually license the content |
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| [23:40:56] | aertyu: | no, just want to train |
| [23:40:59] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: true, but not many people will do that, and if they are, there's bound to be commercial software at reasonable cost for such ventures |
| [23:42:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, when youre spending tens of thousands of dollars for equipment, plus considerable licensing fees, jury rigging mythtv for your purposes just suddenly doesnt seem worth it |
| [23:42:24] | wagnerrp: | aertyu: train? |
| [23:43:24] | wagnerrp: | aertyu: if you have sufficient internet bandwidth, you can use VPN software, and run remote frontends |
| [23:43:47] | wagnerrp: | youre looking at probably 2–4Mbps for standard definition video, maybe 10–15Mbps for high definition video |
| [23:44:01] | wagnerrp: | but do understand that there are /no/ access restrictions in mythtv |
| [23:44:07] | wagnerrp: | if you have any access, you have full access |
| [23:44:27] | wagnerrp: | it is designed for local networks where you trust your users |
| [23:44:59] | wagnerrp: | and local wired networks where latency and loss is not a significant concern |
| [23:45:27] | Beirdo: | to be more precise, it's designed for personal use at home. Nothing more, nothing less. |
| [23:47:44] | aertyu: | so, to be short, just only for recording not designed for streaming |
| [23:47:47] | aertyu: | am i right ? |
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| [23:48:30] | kormoc: | aertyu, streaming to the internet? no |
| [23:48:35] | Beirdo: | that is correct. |
| [23:48:49] | aertyu: | yes to the internet |
| [23:49:25] | Beirdo: | given the legal quagmire that is involved with re-broadcasting, there's little chance that that use model will ever be officially supported |
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| [23:52:52] | aertyu: | ok i get |
| [23:56:29] | aertyu: | thanks to all, thanks a lot |
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