Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, December 9th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

Seems AT&T will actually detect any smartphone on their network and start charging the data plan (assuming it's a model that AT&T actually sells--versus an unlocked one that they don't sell)

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sphery:

Verizon may or may not do the same

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skd5aner:

since it didn't do active data, it wasn't an issue – but now all the smart phones get data 24/7

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, I don't know

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sphery:

T-Mobile, though, will not charge the data plan as long as you don't buy the discounted phone from them--i.e. buy a smartphone from anywhere else and stick your T-Mobile SIM in it and you won't get forced to do a data plan

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skd5aner:

funny story...

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skd5aner:

when we went to pick up the devices at the local store, a couple next to us were trying to get their mom a cell phone (first one maybe?)...

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skd5aner:

for whatever unknown reason, they had to pick out a phone that verizon considered a smartphone instead of a feature phone

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skd5aner:

and the 86 year old woman was like "why is this going to cost my $30 more a month? I won't ever use any of that stuff, I don't even have an email address"

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skd5aner:

and the verizon agent was like "well, you can get your weather on your screen if you'd like"

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skd5aner:

and the lady had no interest – why the 50 year old child of hers wasn't just getting her a feature phone, I'll never know

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

it's hard to find feature phones, anymore, though

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skd5aner:

The majority of phones sold are still feature phones

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sphery:

well, getting harder to find I should say

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skd5aner:

I know this is over a year old now, and definitely has changed... I think it's about 50% now – http://www.phonearena.com/news/Featurephones- . . . o-NPD_id6516

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skd5aner:

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-11/tech/smart . . . s?_s=PM:TECH – that's more timely

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sphery:

ok, well maybe I should say, "some carriers make it almost impossible to find a feature phone in their stock now since they want you to get the data plan"

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skd5aner:

yea – not like you were complaining about the latest feature phone ad ;)

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skd5aner:

dinner! later

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sphery:

later

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kormoc:

feature phone is a non-smartphone?

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sphery:

that's my understanding

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elmojo:

sphery: sorry for dropping off a couple days ago... rushed out the door to catch a plane... I'm looking at the IRC logs now and will let you know what I figure out

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m4xx:

if i use mplayer to play a sound while using mythtv it uses the same volume as mythtv's volume setting. anyone know if it's possible to make each independent of each other?

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wagnerrp:

gah...

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wagnerrp:

im an engineer, a rocket scientists no less... i build and maintain supercomputers... ive written tens of thousands of lines of code... i cant program a stupid friggen remote

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wagnerrp:

i installed a couple 'miniboxes' at my grandmothers, apparently if you dont slowly and deliberately input the codes, it doesnt take

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wagnerrp:

eight times i try the same code before it finally decides to work

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plut0:

how do i create a config.xml file for mythtv?

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elmojo:

sphery: if I add a passphrase to my sha1 key shouldn't I be prompted for it when running ssh git@github.com

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sphery:

elmojo: you will unless your ssh-agent already has the passphrase in memory

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sphery:

plut0: start mythfrontend, answer questions?

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sphery:

or use mythfrontend -p to force it to ask questions

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wagnerrp:

plut0: if youre trying to do it from a script, any script using the perl or python bindings will attempt to autodetect your backend to create a file

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wagnerrp:

any script not using the perl or python bindings but accessing the database direct should consider switching to them

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elmojo:

sphery: ok, I think it just needed the 'ssh-add' with a keyphrase and it started working

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sphery:

elmojo: sweet

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sphery:

distro must have set up the ssh-agent stuff, then

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plut0:

trying to get mythnetvision working, i can search different sites but video playback doesn't work

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elmojo:

sphery: it seems BOTH ssh-add AND keyphrase are required

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sphery:

glad you're back in action now

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elmojo:

I initially just tried without keyphrase

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sphery:

ahh

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sphery:

might be some ssh-agent requirement

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sphery:

never used the agent

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elmojo:

heh, this was the easy part from the sound of it

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I spent all of monday reading about git

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sphery:

went from open-minded but suspicious to a believer

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wagnerrp:

plut0: before you even attempt to use mythnetvision, you will have run some program which will have already configured such a file

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wagnerrp:

plut0: nearly all the grabber scripts for MNV provide links to flash players

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wagnerrp:

do you have mythbrowser and the adobe flash plugin installed?

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plut0:

wagnerrp: flash is working, checking on mythbrowser

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plut0:

wagnerrp: mythbrowser is installed

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iamlindoro:

flash working and flash working in QtWebkit are two different things

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iamlindoro:

ie, just because it works in your firefox or chrome does *not* mean you are prepared for it to work in Myth

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wagnerrp:

open up mythbrowser, go to youtube, and try playing something

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plut0:

doesn't look like its working in mythbrowser

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iamlindoro:

then you either have a version of flash which is incompatible with your Qtwebit install, or your flash plugin is not where Qt Webkit expects to find it

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plut0:

looks like its telling me to upgrade flash

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plut0:

iamlindoro: where is it looking for flash?

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iamlindoro:

Check the Qt documentation

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plut0:

iamlindoro: do you know off hand where?

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iamlindoro:

where what?

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plut0:

iamlindoro: its looking for flash

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

it's in the Qt docs

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Guest46424:

hello. I'm looking for help with an unusual problem I'm having with mythfrontend. When I watch either Live TV or recorded files through mythfrontend the video appears translucent I get an audio and a video signal but it is unwatchable. All of the menus and everything else is OK.

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Guest46424:

I have tried disabling compiz and using all of the different playback profiles with no luck

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Guest46424:

here is a link to the mythfrontend.log file. Hopefully someone can see what the problem is because I can't: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/qH70CbeU

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Guest46424:

any thoughts?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest46424: No idea... strange... Unless it's something with the nvidia settings or something — have you messed around in 'nvidia-settings'???

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest46424: Have you tried playing a video with mplayer or xine or something to see if it does the same thing? If so, It's some setting with the card, or perhaps even an issue with the card itself.

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Guest46424:

yeah I've tried everything. I currently have my desktop cloned over two screens so I thought that might be part of the problem, but even only running on one screen the problem persisted

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J-e-f-f-A:

Play a known good video with mplayer – does it look ok?

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Guest46424:

yes, I've watched the recorded video with VLC and it played perfectly. I can even stream live tv through VLC with no problem but form w/n mythfrontend, nothing.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest46424: So the recording created by myth plays back fine in vlc, but not in Myth? Odd...

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Guest46424:

yes thats the behaviour...it is indeed strange

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest46424: Have you tried using a different playback profile other than VDPAU, perhaps "slim" and see if that makes a difference. (I think you have to restart the frontend for it to take effect IIRC btw...)

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Guest46424:

I have tried all of the profiles, yes. Most of them give me audio but no video. only the VDPAU profiles give video but its translucent

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest46424: I dunno then... I'm stumped – I've never seen or heard of that issue before... What version of Myth btw?

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Guest46424:

0.24

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Guest46424:

I was running .23 but I tried upgrading to see if it would help, it didn't.

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Guest46424:

mplayer plays files properly, btw

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, so this existed in 0.23 for you too? Very strange...

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Guest46424:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

Do you have a different video card you can try, or is this maybe a laptop – judging by the resolution... doh!

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nutron:

is there a planned 24.1?

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wagnerrp:

likely not

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J-e-f-f-A:

There wouldn't be a 24.1 for a LONG time... we're only at 0.24 now... ;-) hehehehe

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Guest46424:

No I only have the one video card. It's not a laptop it's a desktop but I have the display cloned on my monitor and TV and 1600x1200 is the largest resolution that the TV will support.

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you have set the grey letterboxing color

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wagnerrp:

nutron: lets put it this way... the only reason to do a mid-version release is to fix some glaring issue

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iamlindoro:

which throws off the VDPAU overlay

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^^ ooh, I think we have a winner. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

nutron: for instance, 0.20.2 for schedules direct support

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wagnerrp:

or 0.23.1 for a situation where files were not getting deleted

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Guest46424:

I didn't change the letterbox setting. I'll check though

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nutron:

wagnerrp: aye, it's what I figured... hmm. So the fixes branch is just there for packagers to track?

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J-e-f-f-A:

nutron: and the -fixes branches always receive updates as bugs are found and fixed.

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wagnerrp:

the point is, point releases are never planned until a major fix needs to be backported

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nutron:

right, so there's never any intent on actually releasing the -fixes branch

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wagnerrp:

no, but if there were to be a point release on the fixes branch, it would be 0.24.1

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nutron:

wagnerrp: k, i'm of the understanding

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** wagnerrp assumes there was more to that **

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nutron:

aye, but for fear of facing iamlindoro's wrath, I won't bother getting into it =D

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Guest46424:

OK, so the letterboxing was set to black so just for the hell of it I switched it to grey

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Guest46424:

and now the video is better. It's no longer see-through. However, it is badly degraded.

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wagnerrp:

badly degraded?

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[R]:

iamlindoro: is mythfillnetvision supposed to run forever?

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iamlindoro:

Is that a rhetorical question?

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iamlindoro:

if you don't have RSS feeds subscribed, use --refresh-tree

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Guest46424:

is there somewhere where I can post a screenshot? It has lines running through it.

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Guest46424:

and I know it's not coming through the card like that because if I watch the recorded files with vlc or mplayer or what have you the video is fine.

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[R]:

iamlindoro: i used --refresh-all, it updated my trees, and its just sitting there...

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iamlindoro:

[R], Because you don't have RSS feed subscriptions

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

ok

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iamlindoro:

It's a known issue I haven't had a chance to take a look at

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iamlindoro:

it's sitting there wondering why the RSS update loop hasn't ever returned

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wagnerrp:

ugh.... tunerless fe/be on centos on a P3 with 256MB of memory

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[R]:

ah, ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest46424: Perhaps this is relevant? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=156621 — What version of the nvidia driver do you have installed?

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Guest46424:

here's the screenshot: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7669/snapshot10.png

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wagnerrp:

i could be wrong on this one, but i didnt think we got screenshots with the VDPAU renderer

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Guest46424:

I'm using 260.19.26

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest46424: Is that a beta? The latest I see on the nvidia site is 260.19.21 ...

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you do :) at least I do

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Guest46424:

Ok, I tried disabling compositing and it made no difference. The video looks the same as in the screenshot

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest46424: And you restarted X after changing that, right?

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Guest46424:

it shouldn't be a beta.... I installed it through jockey

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Guest46424:

no I didn't...I'll give that a shot.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: does that mean the snapshot is done through opengl or something?

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mikeishooligan:

OK, I restarted X and same thing.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: also, is the code for your revision -> hash online somewhere? in your beirdobot github repo maybe?

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mikeishooligan:

I was formerly guest44 whatever, btw

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J-e-f-f-A:

mikeishooligan: You said you're running 260.19.26 driver? The latest from the nvidia site is 260.19.21 – is .26 a beta? If so, why not try .21 ???

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wagnerrp:

looks like it is

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mikeishooligan:

I'm not sure. according to synaptic the driver is .26 and nvidia-settings is .21

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iamlindoro:

.26 is a beta

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iamlindoro:

and is not, to the best of my knowledge, available from any normal ubuntu source

[03:26:18]

iamlindoro:

So it's likely from some third party repository you have enabled

[03:29:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

mikeishooligan: So – ditch the beta – figure out how to get 'back' to 260.19.21 – and hopefully all will work fine... I don't know how to do that on your setup — I install the binary driver 'manually' from nvidia... ;-)

[03:30:21]

mikeishooligan:

I'll give that a shot and let you know how it goes.

[03:33:18]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, not sure how the snapshots work, it's through Qt though.

[03:33:26]

Beirdo:

and for the script, one sec

[03:33:46]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: im looking at it on github

[03:33:59]

Beirdo:

https://github.com/Beirdo/mythtvmeta/blob/mas . . . s/gitsvn-map

[03:34:34]

Beirdo:

I can send you the full csv later on (when I get home) if you like

[03:34:42]

wagnerrp:

that would be great

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wagnerrp:

i was just going to throw up some simple web application to redirect wiki commits to their relevent github page

[03:35:28]

wagnerrp:

or if this script will generate that for me, that will work either

[03:35:32]

Beirdo:

heh, that was on my list for the weekend, but you're welcome to it

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DanC_:

hmm. volume stuck at 0%

[03:36:40]

DanC_:

[ ] keys bring up the volume bar display, but don't change the 0%

[03:36:53]

DanC_:

sound works from other apps

[03:38:02]

[R]:

DanC_: sounds like myth is set to the wrong mixer

[03:38:35]

DanC_:

I'm getting similar indication from http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/lin . . . -mythtv.html

[03:38:51]

[R]:

what is the name of your mixer in alsamixer?

[03:40:11]

DanC_:

umm...

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wagnerrp:

DanC_: are you using digital audio?

[03:41:20]

DanC_:

I don't think so; how would I check?

[03:41:34]

wagnerrp:

how is your computer connected to your tv/stereo?

[03:41:44]

DanC_:

just normal stereo audio cable

[03:41:50]

wagnerrp:

ok, nevermind then

[03:41:57]

mikeishooligan:

well i tip my hat to you guys, you figured it out. after downgrading the driver I tried again and the video was still translucent, however after changing the letterboxing colour to grey from black it worked perfectly

[03:41:58]

wagnerrp:

probably what [R] said, wrong mixer

[03:42:01]

DanC_:

in alsamixer, I don't see "name of mixer" or anything like that. The card is "HDA NVidia"

[03:42:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

mikeishooligan: good deal. ;-)

[03:43:02]

mikeishooligan:

yes, definitely! I have no idea how I got a beta driver installed but I guess I must've. Thanks again.

[03:43:50]

DanC_:

the gnome volume control (which works for other apps) seems connected to "PCM"; PCM vs Master came up on that xpmediacenter page too, but I don't see Audio settings in mythtv

[03:44:06]

[R]:

its in general in the frontend

[03:46:36]

DanC_:

General has Basic, AutoExpire, Jobs, Advanced, and Channel Groups. I don't see any mixer options in there anywhere

[03:49:09]

DanC_:

I'm running release-0-23-fixes (26863)

[03:49:24]

[R]:

i didnt say tv settings -> general

[03:49:25]

[R]:

i said general

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DanC_:

Ah. Now I see it. "Mixer Controls" is set to PCM. Maybe wrong Mixer Device...

[03:52:11]

DanC_:

ugh... Mixer Device is a free text field. I wonder what to put there. How do I get a list of devices?

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[03:53:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

DanC_: any reason why you're using 0.23-fixes instead of 0.24-fixes? (especially if you're brand new to MythTV)

[03:54:18]

DanC_:

well, because 0.23-fixes worked when I set it up a few weeks/months ago, and other options didn't. I don't believe 0.24 was available

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[03:56:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

DanC_: Ah. Well, in 0.24 the audio output has been re-written and has an 'autodetect' option. In 0.23, that doesn't exist yet, so if it doesn't work right 'out of the box', then you might have to fiddle a little bit.

[03:56:46]

DanC_:

0.23 was working for quite a while.

[03:56:53]

DanC_:

just this evening it stopped

[03:57:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

DanC_: Well, if nothing was changed in Myth, then you shouldn't have to dig around to change it 'back'...

[03:57:59]

DanC_:

I would agree that I shouldn't. But it's not working.

[03:58:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

DanC_: in that case, I'd just try a 'cold' re-boot (power off for at least 10 seconds), and see what happens when you come back up.... Maybe the audio card/chip got into some weird state somehow...

[03:59:19]

DanC_:

is that hypothesis consistent with the fact that audio is working fine for other apps? (such as this xchat client)

[04:01:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

DanC_: Well, i dunno... perhaps. Just trying to help...

[04:01:09]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: still around?

[04:01:12]

DanC_:

yeah, I suppose anything is possible

[04:01:14]

** J-e-f-f-A heads off to bed and wishes DanC_ good luck... **

[04:01:19]

DanC_:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: anyway, when you get back home, check out mythtv-setup, and the video sources section

[04:03:06]

Beirdo:

still around, and still at work :)

[04:03:27]

sphery:

late night for work

[04:03:28]

Beirdo:

what about it?

[04:03:31]

wagnerrp:

im locking up when trying to open a source

[04:03:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, tell me about it

[04:03:46]

Beirdo:

using mythsystem-rewrite, or master?

[04:03:51]

wagnerrp:

mythsystem

[04:03:59]

** sphery will test master for you **

[04:04:01]

wagnerrp:

master on my sbe works just fine

[04:04:24]

wagnerrp:

seems to occur after the xmltv grabber pull, but before the SD lineup pull

[04:04:32]

Beirdo:

OK, what kind of source (so I can try...)

[04:04:50]

wagnerrp:

schedules direct

[04:04:54]

sphery:

yeah, works on master

[04:05:05]

Beirdo:

Hmm. OK

[04:05:06]

wagnerrp:

on my digital cable source, with an SD lineup defined, and login provided

[04:05:18]

wagnerrp:

im trying it with more verbosity to see if i get something more clear

[04:05:39]

Beirdo:

got any logs? (do sanitize login/password if it shows)

[04:06:06]

wagnerrp:

yeah... thats got to be it

[04:06:09]

Beirdo:

frickin deploy from hades...

[04:06:17]

wagnerrp:

last entry in the log is 'waiting on select...'

[04:06:30]

wagnerrp:

odd since that should be non-blocking

[04:06:34]

Beirdo:

have to rsync 4G of data from an NFS server as part of it

[04:07:00]

Beirdo:

hmmm, you got a pastebin I could look at (while I wait for this crap to finish)?

[04:07:01]

wagnerrp:

ill take another look at it once i get this webapp working

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wagnerrp:

oof... just closed it

[04:08:08]

wagnerrp:

ooh, a segfault

[04:08:18]

Beirdo:

even more fun :)

[04:09:26]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/4NSuh3wP

[04:11:00]

Beirdo:

interesting

[04:11:09]

wagnerrp:

and for more fun... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/RxwmPNXp

[04:11:47]

Beirdo:

iiiinteresting :)

[04:11:53]

Beirdo:

OK, gimme a moment

[04:12:18]

wagnerrp:

no rush, was just looking for information

[04:12:26]

wagnerrp:

(which i got from my other backend)

[04:13:17]

wagnerrp:

the segfault was during initialization, not sure where though

[04:13:38]

wagnerrp:

if theres some way to figure out the command being run through the core dump, let me know

[04:13:44]

Beirdo:

the select is in the MythSocketThread

[04:14:24]

Beirdo:

that's not a debug build, is it? :)

[04:14:35]

wagnerrp:

its the configure defaults

[04:14:43]

Beirdo:

so no.

[04:14:43]

wagnerrp:

whatever those are, probably not debug

[04:14:55]

wagnerrp:

yeah, executable is too small for it to be a debug build

[04:15:02]

Beirdo:

hmmm, you may need to build with debug so we can see the backtrace well

[04:15:18]

Beirdo:

but, I can see what I can see from the context

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wagnerrp:

i only see 22k revs in this csv file

[04:16:47]

Beirdo:

that's about right

[04:16:57]

Beirdo:

you need to do it in each of the repositories

[04:17:05]

wagnerrp:

not that full 27k... ah

[04:18:23]

wagnerrp:

seems i need to supply the repo on the command line?

[04:18:35]

Beirdo:

yes

[04:18:44]

Beirdo:

it fills in the first column with that

[04:18:49]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[04:21:44]

Beirdo:

yeah, gonna need a debug build :)

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TheWarden:

Hi, I'm trying to setup MythTV frontend settings. I set a path to where my video files (AVI) files are stored.

[04:45:59]

TheWarden:

However MythTV doesn't see them even though I have the correct path. Any ideas?

[04:45:59]

wagnerrp:

video storage is configured on the backend

[04:46:18]

wagnerrp:

specifically, the Videos storage group

[04:46:30]

wagnerrp:

the settings options you see in the frontend are being phased out

[04:46:45]

TheWarden:

ahh what? It has a settings in the menu and asks where are your videos. Ohh really. okay thanks. I'll try that now then.

[04:49:24]

[R]:

what kind of moron creates an app that can't be sent to the background and chokes on a nonexistant stdin?

[04:49:47]

[R]:

and more importantly... who does that when the ONLY thing it can accept as input is a 'q' to quit

[04:50:16]

TheWarden:

wagnerrp: ahh I did what you said and still no videos found.

[04:50:35]

wagnerrp:

TheWarden: have you scanned?

[04:51:20]

TheWarden:

wagnerrp: I went into the backend gui, Storage Directories, then Videos. I added two new paths and after I exited I said yes to mythfilldatabase.

[04:51:36]

TheWarden:

wagnerrp: scanned as in mythfilldatabase?

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wagnerrp:

you dont say yes to mythfilldatabase

[04:51:55]

wagnerrp:

you simply be informed that if you have updated your channel lineup, you should run it

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wagnerrp:

if you havent, then you dont need to run it

[04:52:32]

wagnerrp:

first, you need to restart the backend to pull in the new settings

[04:52:43]

wagnerrp:

if you are running mythbuntu, this will have already been done by the wrapper scripts

[04:52:56]

wagnerrp:

if not, it would have warned you that the backend was running when you opened mythtv-setup

[04:53:13]

wagnerrp:

go into mythvideo in the frontend, press 'm', and scan for changes

[04:53:27]

wagnerrp:

all covered here... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

[04:54:45]

TheWarden:

mm I went into the frontend and press m but all it give me is the system menu about or cancel.

[04:55:04]

TheWarden:

I'm using mythbuntu

[04:55:08]

TheWarden:

I'll take a look at that link

[04:55:20]

wagnerrp:

were you in mythvideo when you hit 'm'?

[04:55:30]

wagnerrp:

media library --> watch videos

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TheWarden:

ohhh sorry I misunderstood you there. found it. Thanks. Scanning now.

[04:57:56]

TheWarden:

mm didn't work. I guess I got to do some more reading then. I'll read that link you gave me to see if I can figure it out.

[04:57:59]

TheWarden:

thanks for your help.

[05:02:10]

TheWarden:

ohh I must be doing this wrong as I go into storage directories yet it says for new recordings. I never recored this stuff... just local storage. mm

[05:02:40]

wagnerrp:

the Videos storage group is what MythVideo uses for storage of videos

[05:03:00]

wagnerrp:

it scans any directories listed there when searching for content

[05:03:19]

TheWarden:

ahh yet the docs tell me to use the frontend utilties/setup in media and set the directories there.

[05:03:46]

TheWarden:

well its not working. I did that.. I add the two directories and did a scan for changes and nothing appeared.

[05:03:55]

TheWarden:

Yet if I browse to that location manually the files are present.

[05:04:06]

wagnerrp:

no, the docs tell you to do that if for one of the stated reasons, you cannot use storage groups

[05:04:23]

wagnerrp:

the stated reasons being 'using an external video player'

[05:04:28]

wagnerrp:

which you shouldnt be doing anyway

[05:05:26]

TheWarden:

yes your right.. I just read that. well what gives then. I try added it again and do a scan again.

[05:07:31]

TheWarden:

ohh for some reason mythtv can't find the location I provide yet it is valid mm permissions issue I guess

[05:10:55]

wagnerrp:

it must be accessible by the user mythbackend runs as, typically 'mythtv'

[05:12:05]

TheWarden:

ok

[05:12:07]

TheWarden:

hanks

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jmwachtel:

Hi guys, I am having a really hard time getting the HvR-1600 card to show up in anyway in MythTV. It looks like the card is initialized prefectly from the logs, but it says "Could not get card info..." for the adapter in MythTV backend setup

[05:15:38]

TheWarden:

ahh it works now... damn kid touched my network cable and that was why it wasn't working.

[05:15:41]

TheWarden:

argh

[05:17:04]

jmwachtel:

anyone?

[05:17:39]

TheWarden:

thanks wagnerrp

[05:17:42]

wagnerrp:

jmwachtel: do you have a /dev/video0 and /dev/deb/adaptor0?

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TheWarden:

sorry I would help but I'm a complete newb to mythtv lol gtg tc

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jmwachtel:

wagnerrp, how do I check?

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jmwachtel:

going into the dev folder, I see a video0 and going to /dev/dvb/adaptor0/ i have frontend and a couple others, I don't have a deb folder and I assume you ment dvb

[05:23:24]

wagnerrp:

erm... /dev/dvb

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wagnerrp:

if you have those, and mythtv-setup cannot find them automatically

[05:23:47]

wagnerrp:

then you probably have a permissions issue

[05:24:07]

wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup needs to have access to those devices

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jmwachtel:

ok, that's what I thought too. I checked to see my user permissions and I have video and mythtv under my user permissions, but how do I give mythtv's account access to the devices?

[05:39:38]

jmwachtel:

?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: any way to make mythwikiscripts save a file to the current dir?

[05:49:14]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dct-channel has a ton of files and putting them in ~/bin doesn't make sense

[05:49:15]

wagnerrp:

id have to check, but i dont think so

[05:49:22]

sphery:

hmmm

[05:49:26]

wagnerrp:

you can define a full path to put it in

[05:49:45]

sphery:

ok... maybe I'll put it in /tmp/dct-channel

[05:50:04]

wagnerrp:

i could make it capable of using './' and '$PREFIX'

[05:50:08]

sphery:

dct-channel/dct.c didn't work, and neither did ./

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jmwachtel:

wagnerrp how do I fix the permissions?

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sphery:

/tmp will work

[05:50:23]

sphery:

no biggie

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wagnerrp:

jmwachtel: chmod

[05:50:39]

wagnerrp:

if youre talking about device nodes

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wagnerrp:

youll either need to edit the udev rule

[05:50:52]

sphery:

probably better to do it in a way that works with current mythwikiscripts

[05:51:09]

wagnerrp:

or add your user to the group that currently owns those devices

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jmwachtel:

right, what do I need ot change it to?

[05:52:53]

sphery:

ok, maybe I didn't test ./ .... seems I have a cached version

[05:54:00]

sphery:

heh, /tmp/mythwikiscripts.pickle

[05:54:04]

sphery:

funny name :)

[05:54:15]

sphery:

Didn't know that snakes like pickles

[05:54:53]

wagnerrp:

the data gets pickled for long term storage

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sphery:

heh, cool

[05:55:55]

sphery:

doesn't create the /tmp/dct-channel dir... I'll put that in the instructions

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sphery:

nice... it downloads and compiles

[06:00:06]

wagnerrp:

it.. compiles?

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wagnerrp:

no, i didnt think i added that capability in there

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sphery:

heh, mythwikiscripts downloads it

[06:03:01]

sphery:

then gcc is able to compile the downloaded files

[06:03:15]

wagnerrp:

i thought you were saying the script compiled as well

[06:03:19]

sphery:

so nothing (syntactical :) was corrupted in my posting it

[06:03:51]

sphery:

yeah, dct-channel is actually a C program with a bunch of .c and .h files

[06:03:58]

sphery:

whole reason I didn't move it before

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sphery:

I doubt many people are even using it, though--since it's based on serial control of dct-2000 cable boxes

[06:04:34]

sphery:

and we also have a dct-6000 firewire script

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wagnerrp:

you could always put them all in a subdirectory if that would make it cleaner

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sphery:

and it hasn't been edited since 2003

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sphery:

subdir?

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sphery:

i have them going to /tmp/dct-channel

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that will work

[06:05:07]

sphery:

yeah

[06:05:15]

sphery:

I'm happy with the way we have it

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wagnerrp:

the script only puts them in ~/bin if it doesnt start with a '/'

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sphery:

especially considering I doubt more than 5 people are using it

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granier21:

wow

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granier21:

I guess nobody use myth to rip CDs

[06:19:12]

granier21:

cause ogg vorbis encoding has been borked since January 10 2010

[06:19:33]

granier21:

probably even earlier than that

[06:20:04]

iamlindoro:

Or maybe we all just realize vorbis sucks and don't use it

[06:20:29]

iamlindoro:

Or, and call me crazy here, maybe it works fine and there's something wrong with *your* setup

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granier21:

it happened sometime betw 9/09 (good) and 1/10(corrupt)

[06:21:19]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[06:21:31]

kormoc:

the script is corrupt or your output is corrupt?

[06:21:48]

granier21:

ogginfo says files are corrupt

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kormoc:

and we just call a external encoder

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kormoc:

so I'd imagine that's more the issue

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granier21:

iamlindoro: as much as you'd like to push buttons, I can assure you this has nothing to do with my setup

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sphery:

granier21: that's about the time we switched to using libav* for encoding ogg

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sphery:

IIRC

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kormoc:

sphery, I thought we shelled out for cd encoding?

[06:22:58]

granier21:

all other encoders work just fine

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granier21:

only myth is screwing up

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granier21:

I only discovered it a few days ago because I started a massive rip session

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iamlindoro:

I just ripped a track to ogg using default mythmusic settings

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iamlindoro:

it plays perfectly

[06:24:52]

granier21:

but during that period myth has been through at least one upgrade cycle

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granier21:

lol

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i dont think that file is automatically generated any longer

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granier21:

"plays perfectly"

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iamlindoro:

Yes. It does.

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iamlindoro:

I'm on my six track of this rip, they're all playing fine

[06:25:42]

sphery:

hmmm, I guess we switched long before Jan – https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9f2436a9

[06:25:44]

iamlindoro:

Using MythMusic's default ogg settings

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sphery:

kormoc: I think we used to, but stuartm switched us around

[06:25:58]

granier21:

iamlindoro: with insights like yours it's a wonder why more clued in people don't listen to you

[06:26:08]

kormoc:

Yeah, I just tried it as well, I'm getting valid rips as of -trunk from two weeks ago

[06:26:18]

kormoc:

granier21, erm... that's uncalled for

[06:26:33]

iamlindoro:

granier21, I'm sorry? What is it you feel is unhelpful? Both kormoc and I are testing your assumption that there's something wrong with myth-- as far as either of us can tell, there's not.

[06:26:51]

iamlindoro:

I am investigating a potential bug report, and thus far, it appears invalid.

[06:27:06]

iamlindoro:

Had I found it not to work, I would have looked into how to fix it-- how would you prefer I behave?

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kormoc:

I have to say, that was a lot easier then I remembered it being

[06:27:21]

granier21:

I'm telling how to check and all you say is "it plays perfectly?"

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kormoc:

granier21, are you saying yours plays fine as well?

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iamlindoro:

granier21, Because ogg ripping is working fine, and the result of those rips play perfectly-- so yes, that's what I say

[06:27:53]

sphery:

granier21: if there's a problem, it's in libav* . See the commit linked above--we use their code

[06:28:03]

granier21:

kormoc: the files play just fine

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kormoc:

I thought you said you were getting corrupt files...

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granier21:

but if you you ogg tools to examine they complain they are borked

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sphery:

so it's quite possible that the ffmpeg resync brought in a different ogg encoder that your ogg info doesn't like

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wagnerrp:

clearly theyre not borked if they play fine

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granier21:

and you can hear artifacts (pops) if you really pay attention

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granier21:

wagnerrp: oh lord

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iamlindoro:

There is no audible corruption whatsoever in the rips here

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, you're just not a clued in user!

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granier21:

ogginfo tells you specifically what's wrong, and all you can say if it plays fine it aint borked?

[06:30:03]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, you're right--no longer auto generated :)

[06:30:10]

kormoc:

I don't have a ogginfo nor do I know where to get one.

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granier21:

you might as well say code compiles, therefore it must work

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sphery:

I have one!

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kormoc:

sphery, have a package name that it belongs to?

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sphery:

I got it with ogg vorbis

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wagnerrp:

granier21: no, its like saying a code runs without error, it must work

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kormoc:

I have the ogg vorbis package installed and no ogginfo command

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sphery:

kormoc: vorbis-tools, IIRC

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wagnerrp:

having pops and other artifacts is not what i would consider 'plays fine'

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wagnerrp:

that would be 'plays badly'

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granier21:

ogginfo is in vorbistools on my distro

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: looks like media-sound/vorbis-tools

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kormoc:

thanks

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sphery:

wait, so my recording, "Breakfast with Snap, Crackle, and Pop" must be broken, too

[06:33:11]

sphery:

it has pops

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granier21:

lol

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granier21:

"it plays fine"

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sphery:

wonder if Beirdo ever made it home or if he's still at work

[06:38:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp / kormoc : http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347750

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iamlindoro:

granier21, You are pushing your luck

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granier21:

iamlindoro: I'm still laughing

[06:39:12]

iamlindoro:

granier21, You reported corruption, the files play fine-- it's a valid observation-- now get productive, or you'll be leaving

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granier21:

iamlindoro: yeah, i'll be leaving all right

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah... for what its worth, the current ebuilds work just fine and dandy

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iamlindoro:

if you think that libavcodec is producing corrupt output, then lodge a ticket with ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

the eclass only needs to be updated if the user wants to arbitrarily make their own ebuilds

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iamlindoro:

granier21, ok, we'll miss ya, seeya

[06:40:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, just didn't know if you wanted to post your solution... if not, I think E Westbrook will post his soon

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wagnerrp:

the official ones will pull source off the gentoo servers

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wagnerrp:

im not happy with my solution at the moment

[06:40:51]

wagnerrp:

and to be honest, im not happy with whatever his solution will be either

[06:41:01]

sphery:

heh

[06:41:32]

wagnerrp:

i want to keep the funky nasty git hash out of the version all together

[06:41:35]

sphery:

well, I hope you can get it changed to something better after they start with whatever solution they get first

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wagnerrp:

and out of the ebuild for that matter

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, we'll be putting our ebuilds into the myth.org repo as the official ones

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kormoc:

and hopefully encouraging folks to submit fixes to it rather then have the half dozen trees that we have now

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kormoc:

Best part

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: im writing up the base of the webapp currently

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kormoc:

granier21's issue is not one I can dupe. ogginfo shows a prefectly valid ogg file

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sphery:

kormoc: yay! there are way too many of them out there

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sphery:

many doing not good things

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kormoc:

Aye

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, im a bit leery of requiring a web application for ebuilds

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wagnerrp:

although i suppose it will function in the same manner as the existing ones

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wagnerrp:

youll only have to poll it if you dont have the existing source on in your distfiles

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sphery:

granier21: what ogginfo/vorbis-tools version (from ogginfo -h )

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wagnerrp:

and it cant be found on the gentoo ones either

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granier21:

sphery: ogginfo from vorbis-tools 1.4.0

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sphery:

kormoc: does that line up with yours or could it be ogginfo differences?

[06:44:42]

kormoc:

The lack of a EOS is interesting, but it's valid, http://pastebin.ca/2014514

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kormoc:

ogginfo from vorbis-tools 1.4.0

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granier21:

EOS is not the only issue

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kormoc:

it's the only warning mine show, see the pastebin

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granier21:

granier21: I'm saying EOS in general

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kormoc:

sphery, I'm thinking the lack of the EOS indicator is an issue. the stream isn't being closed properly and likely depending on how it ends could show up as 'corrupt'

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sphery:

granier21: how about you post one of your ogginfo runs showing the errors

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granier21:

iow, there are other issues besides EOS

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sphery:

to pastebin, please

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zoran119:

hi people, do i need a separate storage group for mythgallery?

[06:47:45]

zoran119:

and if so, what should it be called?

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wagnerrp:

no, mythgallery has not yet been migrated to storage groups

[06:48:17]

sphery:

mythgallery doesn't use storage groups, yet

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wagnerrp:

it exists only on the frontend

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sphery:

so you need NFS mounts or similar

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zoran119:

ah ok... any way to change where it is looking for pictures (i think it's in /var somewhere)

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granier21:

sphery: WARNING: Hole in data (105 bytes) found at approximate offset 12064500 bytes. Corrupted Ogg. WARNING: sequence number gap in stream 1. Got page 2835 when expecting page 2833. Indicates missing data. WARNING: discontinuity in stream (1)

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sphery:

somewhere in media settings in the frontend

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** wagnerrp really hates distros storing everything and their sink in /var **

[06:50:15]

sphery:

ls -l /var/sink

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wagnerrp:

ITS NOT VARIABLE DATA!

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sphery:

+1, though

[06:50:32]

granier21:

way more than that but that's sufficient to give you an idea

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[R]:

wagnerrp: recordings change...

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[R]:

wagnerrp: thats varaible :)

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kormoc:

granier21, please. Paste the entire output into a pastebin for us

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wagnerrp:

[R]: ask sphery how long his recordings have been sitting there

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

but new ones get added

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[R]:

and theoretically they get deleted

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wagnerrp:

heck, ive got some dvd rips still sitting around since 2002 that i havent gotten around to redoing yet

[06:51:34]

kormoc:

[R], sphery's disks are write-once roms

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wagnerrp:

sphery doesnt delete, he just gets more disks

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[R]:

haha

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I actually delete everything I watch

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granier21:

WARNING: Vorbis stream 1 does not have headers correctly framed. Terminal header page contains additional packets or has non-zero granulepos

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sphery:

but I watch/delete more slowly than I record, so I also get more disks

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kormoc:

...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but you watch everything from 2007

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sphery:

oops, wrong channel--I thought this was IRC, not pastebin

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kormoc:

for being a user in the know, this is really close to pulling teeth...

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granier21:

what's there to pull teeth?

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kormoc:

granier21, we've asked you twice now for the complete ogginfo output in a pastebin

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granier21:

I'm telling you exactly how to test and reproduce

[06:54:15]

granier21:

it ain't rocket science

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kormoc:

granier21, *I* DID!

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sphery:

and kormoc tested and /didn't/ reproduce

[06:54:23]

wagnerrp:

yes, and all our tests are coming up negative

[06:54:27]

granier21:

baloney

[06:54:29]

kormoc:

granier21, and I even pastebined you my output

[06:54:29]

sphery:

i.e. he doesn't see all these errors you are

[06:54:42]

granier21:

someone mentioned EOS, for one

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kormoc:

granier21, http://pastebin.ca/2014514

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sphery:

but, hey, can we really expect him to go to the trouble of pastebin'ing the info we need?

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sphery:

that's asking a lot

[06:55:14]

kormoc:

granier21, *I* *ONLY* *GET* *THE* *EOS* *AND* *NOTHING* *ELSE* *AND* *NO* *POPS*

[06:55:16]

sphery:

I mean, what did we ever give him thousands of lines of source code?

[06:55:23]

[R]:

border patrol can pull over any vehicle they want... that doesnt seem right...

[06:55:53]

** sphery tries to use mythtv's ogg ripper to get a Canon EOS **

[06:55:55]

wagnerrp:

[R]: doesnt border patrol pull over every vehicle crossing the border?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: they are on the US side

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** iamlindoro yawns **

[06:56:13]

iamlindoro:

http://pastebin.ca/2014518

[06:56:24]

iamlindoro:

(datestamp just to prove a point at the bottom)

[06:56:26]

kormoc:

granier21, you can keep calling us liars and insist we're just attempting to not help you, but we're trying here and you're not helping

[06:56:36]

sphery:

one more wih only EOS

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ovrflw0x:

hey guys is using Laptop HDD and Laptop Blu-ray drive better for HTPC?

[06:56:51]

[R]:

wagnerrp: they have a buffer area very far away from the border they are allowed to do stuff

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kormoc:

I ripped three tracks with only missing EOSes reported

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[R]:

ovrflw0x: better?

[06:57:03]

ovrflw0x:

hey guys is using Laptop HDD and Laptop Blu-ray drive better for HTPC w/ micro-ATX motherboard

[06:57:11]

granier21:

no, therre's a didderence between iamlindoro's cluelessness vs. lying

[06:57:25]

granier21:

I never accused anyone of lying

[06:57:32]

sphery:

granier21: stop with calling iamlindoro clueless

[06:57:32]

kormoc:

granier21, jesus h christ man. so what am I? clueless too? and wagnerrp?

[06:57:32]

iamlindoro:

Ya know

[06:57:39]

iamlindoro:

I think I've been really patient here

[06:57:40]

sphery:

or I'll actually figure out how to use my op

[06:57:41]

ovrflw0x:

i am not getting the cabinet that i want that's why i have to use a laptop hdd/cdrw drive to make it fit in

[06:57:52]

granier21:

ohh, I'm so scared!

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc

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sphery:

ah, good, kormoc knows how

[06:58:27]

granier21:

yeah, go right ahead

[06:58:38]

wagnerrp:

ovrflw0x: its more expensive and slower, thats about the only difference

[06:58:42]

zoran119:

i'm also having problems with 'search internet video'

[06:58:51]

ovrflw0x:

oh k

[06:58:56]

zoran119:

the progress bar starts red for 1 second

[06:59:09]

zoran119:

and then goes back to 0% filled

[06:59:21]

zoran119:

the player window just remains white

[06:59:25]

zoran119:

any idea?

[06:59:33]

wagnerrp:

zoran119: check your frontend logs, try running some of the netvision grabbers from the command line

[06:59:46]

ovrflw0x:

is there any difference between Intel Core i3–530 2.93GHz and Intel Core i3 540 3.06GHz??

[07:00:00]

wagnerrp:

130MHz

[07:00:03]

kormoc:

ovrflw0x, .13 GHz

[07:00:03]

zoran119:

wagnerrp: ok... will do

[07:00:23]

ovrflw0x:

i mean from heating, power consumption, and functionalities

[07:00:34]

[R]:

ovrflw0x: and 010 of a model number

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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wagnerrp:

either should be plenty fast for any software decoding of video you need to do

[07:00:47]

Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro : +b *!*47928387@*.71.146.131.135

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granier21 has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro (granier21)

[07:00:57]

iamlindoro:

sorry, I just couldn't defer for kormoc any more ;)

[07:01:11]

kormoc:

Heh, I was waiting for him to spew some more fun

[07:01:27]

kormoc:

that guy is hopeless

[07:01:29]

wagnerrp:

i was waiting for him to pastebin his output

[07:01:35]

iamlindoro:

was never gonna happen

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro

[07:01:42]

sphery:

agreed

[07:01:48]

kormoc:

Yeah, we're the man and we're just keeping him down

[07:01:50]

Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!~kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -o kormoc

[07:02:02]

kormoc:

sphery, /msg chanserv op #mythtv-users

[07:02:04]

iamlindoro:

He earned it a long while back

[07:02:05]

kormoc:

just so you know ;)

[07:02:08]

kormoc:

tis true

[07:02:09]

** wagnerrp is powerless and had no choice but to continue waiting **

[07:02:13]

iamlindoro:

heh

[07:02:18]

iamlindoro:

we need to get wagnerrp his ops

[07:02:22]

kormoc:

yeah

[07:02:22]

sphery:

funny thing is that--ttbomk--it's not like we'd have seen filenames that are a dead giveaway of thievery for it, too

[07:02:35]

sphery:

so don't know why he was reluctant to post it

[07:02:36]

wagnerrp:

i know about as much as sphery on what to do with ops

[07:02:39]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, I really *did* immediately go test ogg ripping

[07:02:46]

kormoc:

Yeah, I did as well

[07:02:49]

sphery:

only thing I can think of is laziness

[07:02:51]

iamlindoro:

it just played fine-- I'm not sure what his issue was with my saying so

[07:02:57]

kormoc:

took me longer to get the ogginfo installed

[07:02:59]

sphery:

did someone give wagnerrp ops, yet?

[07:03:05]

sphery:

he should have it

[07:03:06]

ovrflw0x:

wagnerrp--> which processor will be better for super quality 3D viewing?

[07:03:10]

iamlindoro:

I am not sure who is capable, besides stuarta

[07:03:13]

wagnerrp:

3D viewing?

[07:03:19]

ovrflw0x:

i mean HTPc

[07:03:21]

wagnerrp:

you need to just leave

[07:03:21]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, you are too, no?

[07:03:22]

sphery:

kormoc: and thanks for the info--I got a tutorial from iamlindoro out of channel, too

[07:03:23]

wagnerrp:

:P

[07:03:28]

iamlindoro:

but we could hit him up when he wakes

[07:03:29]

ovrflw0x:

3d 1080p quality video

[07:03:49]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I thought I was one notch below granting ops

[07:04:03]

wagnerrp:

we dont have the technology for 3d 1080p video

[07:04:17]

sphery:

maybe granier is using a Debian build that's linked against system libav*

[07:04:19]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, you have more permissions then xris and I do

[07:04:27]

iamlindoro:

I do? God help us all

[07:04:28]

sphery:

and it's miscompiled and so it corrupts things

[07:04:32]

ovrflw0x:

wagnerrp--> incase you do in future

[07:04:48]

kormoc:

sphery, good thought

[07:04:54]

wagnerrp:

ovrflw0x: 'we' as in the 'human race'

[07:04:59]

xris:

permissions?

[07:05:14]

iamlindoro:

xris, op granting in channel here

[07:05:15]

wagnerrp:

you'd need a supercomputer or mainframe for the kind of data throughput to run a 3D display at those kinds of resolutions

[07:05:19]

iamlindoro:

if I have that power it's news to me

[07:05:29]

iamlindoro:

(but possible, I am pretty clueless when it comes to ops)

[07:05:34]

xris:

oh. no clue. I trust kormoc on these IRC things, though. my op-foo is reasonably low

[07:05:41]

iamlindoro:

yeah, mine too

[07:05:48]

wagnerrp:

were talking 2MP per slice, and with those 2D dimensions, you would likely have ~1k slices or so

[07:05:52]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Do you know how I'd go about granting them to wagnerrp ?

[07:05:56]

ovrflw0x:

wagnerrp--> i mean 3d which we can view by weaing glasses

[07:05:56]

xris:

but now that we're thinking about it, if you can figure out how to grant "founder" access to us, that'd probably be useful

[07:05:58]

wagnerrp:

so... 2GP per frame

[07:06:00]

iamlindoro:

I could at least try

[07:06:03]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah, looking it up

[07:06:08]

wagnerrp:

ovrflw0x: you cant get 3D from wearing glasses

[07:06:17]

xris:

kormoc is the irc wiz

[07:06:17]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, and hopefully you can promote me as well

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

[07:06:30]

iamlindoro:

I presume I'll need that

[07:06:41]

wagnerrp:

ovrflw0x: you can get stereoscopic, but thats something completely different from 3D

[07:06:51]

iamlindoro:

sure, just tell me what you want done (or just tell me how to set you up and you can do the rest)

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** xris finally has full ownership level permission on all of the mythtv server things... for some reason the commits mailing list was ignoring even the super-uber-master password.. finally figured out how to reset it **

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zoran119:

no module named MySQLdb...

[07:07:25]

** xris crawls back into a hole of designing his brewery newsletter **

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wagnerrp:

3D encompasses a dozen or more cues used by your brain to interpret depth

[07:07:37]

wagnerrp:

stereoscopy is only one of them

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ovrflw0x:

wagnerrp--> have you heard of 3dtv?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, /msg chanserv FLAGS #mythtv-users wagnerrp DEV

[07:08:09]

iamlindoro:

ha

[07:08:09]

wagnerrp:

ovrflw0x: no, ive heard of stereoscopic displays though

[07:08:13]

iamlindoro:

well would you lookit that

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o wagnerrp

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iamlindoro:

pew pew

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, /msg chanserv FLAGS #mythtv-users kormoc OP

[07:08:54]

wagnerrp:

3D implies a volumetric display

[07:09:00]

wagnerrp:

which are only available at very low resolutions

[07:09:07]

kormoc:

sweet

[07:09:08]

xris:

woot

[07:09:20]

xris:

not that i'll ever get a chance to use them. heh

[07:09:22]

wagnerrp:

our current batch of '3d' tvs are merely stereoscopic, meaning two images

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, thanks much

[07:09:41]

iamlindoro:

no problem

[07:09:50]

[R]:

we need holographic tvs

[07:09:53]

[R]:

like they had on stargate

[07:09:56]

xris:

wagnerrp: which is why a bunch of studies link those TVs to all *kinds* of neurological development problems.

[07:10:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yeA7a0uS3A#t=00m32s

[07:10:10]

ovrflw0x:

ok so will i be able to play 3d tvs resolution with which processor better? wagnerrp

[07:10:18]

** xris wonders what "marvels" CES will have in store next year. **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, IS this an IIII HAVE THE POWERRRRRRRRR joke?

[07:10:25]

sphery:

yes

[07:10:25]

wagnerrp:

xris: sega was actually developing some stereoscopic console in the 90s

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iamlindoro:

haha

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sphery:

I'm way too predictable

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xris:

wagnerrp: yeah.. and sponsored some of those aforementioned studies, I think.

[07:10:46]

sphery:

stupid artificial intelligence... I want to be a real boy!

[07:10:48]

wagnerrp:

they ended up scrapping it late in the development cycle because it was causing irreparable damage to testers

[07:11:13]

wagnerrp:

screwing up *true* 3d sight in the testers

[07:11:21]

** xris thinks beer made him psychic about that conversation. :) **

[07:11:23]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I had all those toys as a kid

[07:11:32]

sphery:

heh, cool

[07:11:32]

iamlindoro:

but my mom would never buy me Stinkor

[07:11:42]

wagnerrp:

erm... thanks for ops whoever ended up giving them to me

[07:11:44]

iamlindoro:

the one you could twist the head off of, and he would..well... stink

[07:11:50]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yw

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sphery:

heh

[07:11:54]

wagnerrp:

heh

[07:12:10]

wagnerrp:

ovrflw0x: anyway, no... there is no support for stereoscopic output in mythtv

[07:12:10]

ovrflw0x:

wagnerrp--> you answering or wut?

[07:12:19]

iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Masters_ . . . ters#Stinkor

[07:12:29]

wagnerrp:

ovrflw0x: im correcting you, im saying you /cannot/ purchase a 3D TV

[07:12:32]

wagnerrp:

they simply dont exist

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iamlindoro:

Even better: http://he-man.wikia.com/wiki/Stinkor

[07:12:51]

iamlindoro:

"The Stinkor action figure had a semi-foul scent, giving it the distinction of being one of the few toys whose "action feature" is an odor, the heroic counterpart Moss Man being one of the few others."

[07:12:54]

wagnerrp:

you can purchase some TV that has '3d' in the brand name

[07:12:54]

iamlindoro:

awesome sauce

[07:13:02]

wagnerrp:

but you cannot purchase a 3DTV

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[R]:

speaking of myth don't stereoscopic

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I want a refund. My tv has depth! It'd be easier to mount if it didn't

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[R]:

wasn't someone talking about that on the ml a few months back?

[07:13:41]

[R]:

myth doing*

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the problem once you get into something like that is the same thing with all these assorted acceleration APIs

[07:14:13]

iamlindoro:

Someone's going to have to build support into ffmpeg first, but it's theoretically possible (and might be a fun project)

[07:14:22]

wagnerrp:

each manufacturer does their own thing

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wagnerrp:

and then theres other methods using two independent displays, or two independent outputs

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iamlindoro:

As of even a few weeks ago there were arguments going on on ffmpeg-devel as to how to handle it in the various popular container formats, specifically in MKV

[07:14:57]

wagnerrp:

sometimes the videos are one wide video side-by-side

[07:15:00]

iamlindoro:

top-to-bottom, left to right, etc. etc.

[07:15:03]

wagnerrp:

sometimes you have two separate videos

[07:15:17]

wagnerrp:

sometimes they are different video streams in one video

[07:15:26]

kormoc:

Fun!

[07:15:37]

iamlindoro:

Apparently for optimal speed you'd want a single video with the video on top of one another

[07:15:46]

iamlindoro:

(but I only learned that during the argument)

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[R]:

why top over left?

[07:16:04]

iamlindoro:

that is to say, not interleaved, and not side by side

[07:16:15]

wagnerrp:

[R]: so youre not trying to render a 3840px wide video

[07:16:20]

kormoc:

basically swapping each frame's whatever-it's-called

[07:16:27]

kormoc:

I'd assume that is?

[07:16:34]

iamlindoro:

no, like, double height

[07:16:38]

kormoc:

ahh

[07:16:45]

iamlindoro:

1920x2160, etc.

[07:16:45]

wagnerrp:

or are you talking about some peculiarity of the video frame buffer?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but in the end isn't the total size the same?

[07:16:59]

zoran119:

where are the front end logs? i cannot see anyting in /var

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iamlindoro:

let me see if I can find the thread

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wagnerrp:

/var/log/?

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[R]:

zoran119: whever you told them to go when yo ustarted it

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: log location is defined on the command line when you run mythtv

[07:17:35]

wagnerrp:

it will be wherever you, or your init scripts, told it to be

[07:17:35]

kormoc:

[R], I'd imagine it's due to how they lay it out in memory

[07:17:50]

kormoc:

[R], top/bottom split likely means you can memcpy a frame at a time

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zoran119:

ok.

[07:18:13]

kormoc:

[R], left to right means the data is broken up and thus would require one memcpy per line

[07:18:23]

wagnerrp:

[R]: id assume thats for shutter glasses?

[07:18:34]

[R]:

hrm

[07:18:36]

[R]:

interesting

[07:18:40]

wagnerrp:

s/[R]/kormoc/

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yar

[07:18:58]

iamlindoro:

http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . /099877.html

[07:18:58]

iamlindoro:

http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . /099926.html

[07:19:07]

iamlindoro:

http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . /099977.html

[07:19:10]

wagnerrp:

anyway, shutter glasses are _boring_

[07:19:13]

iamlindoro:

read in order for optimal understanding

[07:19:27]

wagnerrp:

if i must wear glasses, im certainly not going to wear of heavy $100 pair

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[R]:

hrm

[07:19:51]

[R]:

interesting

[07:20:16]

[R]:

my serial receiver can receiver the codes for my audio reciever better tahn it can recieve the scientific atlanta codes

[07:20:16]

zoran119:

nothing in the logs about my youtube player problem

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: have you subsequently installed that package?

[07:20:30]

** [R] tries another set of codes **

[07:20:56]

zoran119:

wagnerrp: no. it came as part of mythtv or mythplugins

[07:21:03]

wagnerrp:

no, it didnt

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ahh, parallel encoding makes perfect sense too

[07:21:08]

wagnerrp:

and thats why its not working

[07:21:20]

wagnerrp:

you need to find it in your package manager and install it

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zoran119:

so the menu option (and searching) is there but the play facility is not?

[07:21:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I didn't want to pay for the shutter glasses, so I just sit in front of a fan when I watch my 3D shows

[07:22:05]

wagnerrp:

hmm... i could have sworn i saw you say MySQLdb is missing

[07:22:08]

wagnerrp:

but i cant find the line

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sphery:

in the summer, it helps keep me cool, too

[07:22:23]

zoran119:

i installed it

[07:22:26]

zoran119:

it's there now

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: have you tried the scripts again?

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[R]:

sphery: haha

[07:23:02]

zoran119:

i just tried /usr/share/mythtv/mythnetvision/scripts/youtube.py -S test

[07:23:10]

iamlindoro:

sphery, lucky-- I can't afford a fan, I just wink in alternating eyes, really, really fast

[07:23:25]

zoran119:

and that worked (that is how i found out the mysqldb problem, which is gone now)

[07:23:33]

sphery:

iamlindoro: wow, your eyelid muscles must be getting really ripped by now

[07:23:33]

zoran119:

not sure what else to test...

[07:24:11]

wagnerrp:

zoran119: so you search in MNV, and you get results now>

[07:24:12]

wagnerrp:

?

[07:25:13]

zoran119:

MNV?

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wagnerrp:

mythnetvision

[07:25:35]

zoran119:

yes i do

[07:25:43]

zoran119:

searching works well

[07:25:48]

zoran119:

playing does not

[07:26:04]

zoran119:

searching works from inside the frontend as well

[07:26:29]

wagnerrp:

so your problems are probably in mythbrowser

[07:26:45]

wagnerrp:

try opening mythbrowser, going to youtube, and playing a video

[07:27:01]

wagnerrp:

thats in the information center, if you didnt know

[07:27:14]

zoran119:

i'm such an idiot... don't have flash installed

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zoran119:

this is bad... i get a seg fault

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zoran119:

GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2458: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function

[07:30:03]

zoran119:

GLib-CRITICAL **: g_once_init_leave: assertion `initialization_value != 0' failed

[07:30:16]

zoran119:

GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed

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kormoc:

please don't paste into the channel, use a pastebin

[07:36:09]

[R]:

does anyone know the name of a comcast dvr?

[07:36:28]

kormoc:

Johnny B. Recorder the Third

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[R]:

lol

[07:36:41]

[R]:

model number...

[07:36:57]

kormoc:

867–5309

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: when you 'load data' from mysql, is that run clientside or serverside?

[07:37:05]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, client side

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zoran119:

kormoc: sorry

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kormoc:

wit

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[R]:

kormoc: that sounds made up

[07:37:24]

kormoc:

wait, LOAD DATA FROM FILE or LOAD DATA?

[07:37:33]

kormoc:

[R], Jenny is a model, and that's her number

[07:37:33]

wagnerrp:

load data infile

[07:37:55]

wagnerrp:

i want a different type of load?

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[R]:

kormoc: oh... rofl

[07:38:12]

wagnerrp:

oh, local infile

[07:38:19]

kormoc:

That's via the server if you're running that from the client

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kormoc:

aye

[07:38:36]

kormoc:

you can also use mysqlimport --local

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wagnerrp:

the used command is not allowed with this mysql version... crap

[07:39:57]

wagnerrp:

there we go, stuck it on the server, and let the server import it

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Beirdo:

Ahh, home sweet home

[07:42:05]

wagnerrp:

very late night

[07:42:17]

Beirdo:

I went to eat on the way home, but yeah, late night.

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[R]:

gotta love boilerplate copyright notices... the copyright notice on this code provided by TI says you aren't allowed to decompile it... but its sourcecode

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: http://www.wagnerrp.com/commitlog/svn/5616

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** Beirdo waits for chrome to swap back in **

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wagnerrp:

heh

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Beirdo:

I think it's time to restart chrome again

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wagnerrp:

crap

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Beirdo:

can't connect

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wagnerrp:

ips changed anyway

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wagnerrp:

i swear, every time i go to that site, they make it harder to find the tool to change your DNS information

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, dyndns?

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wagnerrp:

godaddy

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kormoc:

ahh, too bad ddclient doesn't support them

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it, the IP used by my web server is the /only/ one that ever changes

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wagnerrp:

its like they periodically scan for port 80 content

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wagnerrp:

and boot it

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wagnerrp:

how do you define which vhost is used when you access from an IP?

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[R]:

name virtual host

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[R]:

in the apache config

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wagnerrp:

i mean ive got several name-based virtual hosts

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wagnerrp:

which one gets priority if the client does not send a hostname

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[R]:

oh, hrm

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[R]:

either the first or the last

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[R]:

:)

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[R]:

why not just send a hostname?

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wagnerrp:

because my DNS is currently wrong

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[R]:

/etc/hosts

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wagnerrp:

beirdo's dns is currently wrong

[08:06:25]

wagnerrp:

dns cache, rather

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[R]:

still /etc/hosts... :)

[08:07:06]

zoran119:

hmmm current version of flash (10) makes mythtv segfault and an older version (9) does not allow the browser to exit...

[08:07:17]

zoran119:

what version are you using?

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[R]:

maybe you can do an ip vhost and name vhosts and it might fall back to the ip vhost if none of hte names match

[08:07:42]

[R]:

zoran119: i seem to recall something about a bug in qt

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[R]:

zoran119: but with ubuntu 10.10 and myth 0.24 i'm using the latest flash 10.2 and it works fine for me

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Beirdo:

I'm not the one with the 1h TTL

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Beirdo:

:)

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zoran119:

qt... maybe i try xfce or fluxbox instead of kde?

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[R]:

myth uses qt

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[R]:

what wm you use is irrelevent

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zoran119:

ok...

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zoran119:

that's a bit sad

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zoran119:

is it correct that iso files cannot be played from a storage group?

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kenni:

zoran119, no, it's supported in 0.24

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zoran119:

kenni: i'm running 0.23... that's my answer then

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Spida:

when I use e to edit videos in mythfrontend (0.24), I can select (using cursor up/down) the jump length, but if I try to jump forward/backwar (with cursor left/rigth) mythfrontend freezes. anybody seen this/knows how to fix this?

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justinh2:

you need to uncheck the 'freeze mythfrontend when jumping forwards or backwards in the editor" setting of course!

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justinh2:

hahaha sling media want Â£20 for a mobile app to use with their SlingShite(tm)

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resno:

i have a media server, and i need to add a new drive. i cant find docs on how to set this up

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jarle:

resno: too little information to give you any help..

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resno:

jarle: what do you need to know?

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resno:

its currently running with ubuntu 10.04. ive got a 1TB drive.

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resno:

adding a 2TB drive.

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resno:

since i am maxing out the storage capabilities

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jarle:

resno: you'll have to add the new drive, format it, and mount it somewhere, and then just start adding data to it.

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resno:

jarle: i know the process of that. should i use lvm? or just mount it as a seperate drive?

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jarle:

resno: what are you storing on it?

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resno:

videos and some other information jarle

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jarle:

resno: keep it simple, mount it as a separate drive, is my suggestion

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resno:

jarle: how would i get the drive to expand content over to it?

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jarle:

resno: thing keeps getting more complicated when you introduce lvm (in my experience anyway)

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resno:

jarle: right, ive been donig a bit of research and actually dont really want to use lvm because of chance of losing data on drive failure

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jarle:

resno: say you have old drive mounted to /mnt/music and new one at /mnt/video you just copy files whereever you want it stored..

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resno:

well, i really want to keep both drives running

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resno:

is there a way to span using the new and old drives?

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jarle:

resno: personally I'll move my fileserver from running Linux (openfiler) to running FreeBSD this weekend to get all the advantages of running zfs filesystem...

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resno:

zfs or betrfs... ive looked at those also

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jarle:

resno: for spanning you'd have to use raid, and with only two drives the would mean RAID1. if one drive goes down you loose all data..

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resno:

if i do that, i might as well do lvm

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jarle:

resno: I've been using raid5 and lvm for a long time, and I'm not happy, that's why I'm giving zfs a try...

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awalls:

resno: make it an LVM partition. The migrate over the current volume group extents that currently hold all your media.

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awalls:

/Then/

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awalls:

Then grow the LogVol and then grow the fs

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wagnerrp:

resno: why do you want to 'expand content over to it'?

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wagnerrp:

storage groups are specifically do you dont have to worry about that

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resno:

wagnerrp: i use some other applications as well

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wagnerrp:

resno: so move some video content from your first drive over, to free up space to allow the other information to remain on one drive

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resno:

wagnerrp: thats an interesting idea...

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resno:

is it possible to set samba up to see both drives?

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wagnerrp:

yes, you make a second samba share

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resno:

ah

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** justinh2 wonders if LVM stands for Lose Very Much **

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wagnerrp:

anyone ever used tape drives?

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wagnerrp:

ive just always wondered about these things, theyre rated at 400/800, or 800/1600

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wagnerrp:

surely that higher number is just a guess of how much you should be able to store with compression enabled, right?

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iamlindoro:

right

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iamlindoro:

I use LTO IV here for our off-site backups

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wagnerrp:

so for somethiing like video, the lower value is the one you would use

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: that's what wikipedia says, i.e. it's just an approximation – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_drive

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, most likely-- I get pretty close to the full 1.6 on our content here, but it's predominantly text with a much smaller proportion of images

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wagnerrp:

meaning those $85 1.5TB are relatively competitive, but theyre not blowing away hard drives at 3TB for the same price

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wagnerrp:

(minus the tape deck cost itself)

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iamlindoro:

I think I paid ~$22 per tape for the last set in lots of ten

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iamlindoro:

Tape still basically sucks, though-- I'd hate to be restoring... well... anything from it

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iamlindoro:

I live in fear of the day I need to make use of these backups

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wagnerrp:

you just get killed on the drive cost though

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wagnerrp:

im just following up this 'backing up myth data' thread

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wagnerrp:

and there are several people who dont want to use hard drives for backups

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** iamlindoro wants a tape robot for Christmas at work **

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wagnerrp:

im trying to steer them clear of using optical media

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wagnerrp:

they dont understand how absolutely tedious it is to sit in front of a computer and swap disks every 25 minutes

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention the utter volatility of the media itself

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justinh2:

tape has a bad rep too, I thought

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wagnerrp:

i dont know about BR volatility, but i know ive sure lost tons of burned CDs and DVDs

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justinh2:

like er.. you're generally lucky if you manage to get anything back from a tape archive of any age

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justinh2:

last week/month – fine but go back any further and er.. oof

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wagnerrp:

i thought tapes were designed to sit on a shelf for a decade, and still have a good likelihood of being usefl

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I'd like to think we generally mitigate some of our risk by having it go from drive to vault pretty immediately, but it's surely better than home-burned optical

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stuartm:

what's their objection to HDD?

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justinh2:

heh yeah

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: fear of dropage

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wagnerrp:

of course i wouldnt rely on a hard drive after more than a few years either

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justinh2:

seems to work ok for film distribution ;-)

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iamlindoro:

I remember burning a bunch of cheap CDRs in the 90s and looking at them a few months later, and the whole foil layer had literally mostly peeled off, leaving a mostly-transparent disc-thing

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iamlindoro:

They hadn't been handled or touched, just stored in a box

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justinh2:

that's whatcha get for using cheap CDRs

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iamlindoro:

Heh, well what did I (or anyone else) know in the 90s

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stuartm:

well that just begs the question, what are they backing up? Or do they mean archiving instead? The whole point of a backup is that you still have the original, if the backup gets destroyed somehow you just recreate it from the original

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justinh2:

I've still got a CDR from the first batch I ever bought that reads just fine

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: kodak claimed 100 years. :P

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stuartm:

and I'm getting a major feeling of deja-vu, didn't I have this exact same discussion about 3 years ago in here?

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justinh2:

100 years in a vacuum, yada yada 3 years ago

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justinh2:

one of those cyclical discussions :)

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justinh2:

either that or I really should've taken the blue pill instead

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stuartm:

they told me it was blood pressure medication!

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justinh2:

they told me the man taking me to the padded room would make sure everything was OK. they lied!

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awalls:

Tapes outlast tape drives: I don't have any 9 track(?) reel-to-reel or QIC lying around, but I've got 8mm (Exabyte type) and 4mm DDS tapes with no working drive. :(

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justinh2:

that doesn't mean to say you'd be able to read tapes in a drive were you ever able to locate one

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awalls:

True. That's why I generally avoided reusing tapes over and over again – so they don't degrade too badly before long term storage.

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justinh2:

maybe that's where the bad rep tapes I've heard has come from – tape reuse

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awalls:

That and external magnetic fields. :)

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awalls:

Heh, Exabyte 8505XL drive on ebay for only $75

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wagnerrp:

Michael Washington is suing Take Two, claiming GTA:SA is based on his life

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justinh2:

who?

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wagnerrp:

in other news, the state of California is pressing charges against Michael Washington for an unsolved killing spree in the 90s that left thousands of dead, and billions of dollars worth of vehicle damage

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stuartm:

I second justinh2's "who?"

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wagnerrp:

just some random person saying they used his likeness in a video game

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justinh2:

so the usual disclaimer didn't work then?

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wagnerrp:

seems not

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justinh2:

any similarities between characters depicted herein yada yada yada

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justinh2:

could be a dangerous precedent ;-)

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stuartm:

justinh2: well they shot themselves in the foot with the following line in the disclaimer "Except for the character that looks like Michael Washington, that's totally him"

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justinh2:

lol

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wagnerrp:

seems at some point in the distant past, they interviewed him while gathering information on early 90s LA gang culture

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wagnerrp:

hes decided that the waiver he signed is irrelevant, and he wants money

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see Beirdo's comment about the use of timestamps for identifying revs on -users list?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /304991.html

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wagnerrp:

oh, the 'git log -n1...' response?

[18:53:05]

sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the one, looking at it currently

[18:53:15]

sphery:

might want to discuss plans with him

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wagnerrp:

well the premise of pulling from a git repo is itself the wrong way to do it, IMHO

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sphery:

yay, "qt" in the address bar (the "I'm feeling lucky") is back to Qt and not QuickTime

[18:54:42]

sphery:

I was very disappointed when Google changed that for a while

[18:55:10]

Beirdo:

I think wagnerrp was planning on pulling based on a well-chosen sha1 and then marking the time of it, but I'm not sure :)

[18:55:45]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that was the idea

[18:56:16]

wagnerrp:

just make sure not to arbitrarily choose a timestamp where that occured

[18:56:21]

sphery:

cool... just figured it didn't hurt to get some git-experienced eyes looking at that plan :)

[18:56:50]

sphery:

Beirdo: btw, I'm loving my now-sorted-by-branch commits

[18:57:08]

Beirdo:

isn't it sweet? :)

[18:57:18]

sphery:

yeah

[18:57:26]

Beirdo:

thanks for the pointer to the header to add.

[18:57:34]

sphery:

makes it so much easier to follow without that jolt from master to -fixes

[18:57:36]

sphery:

or vice versa

[18:58:09]

Beirdo:

and once we split the -commits list into 3, it will be all that much easier for people to be choosy about what they read

[18:58:15]

sphery:

heh, I'm in passthrough mode... stuartm, Beirdo is thanking you for the idea of the X-Branch header

[18:58:33]

sphery:

(I just relayed it to him since he was working way too hard, yesterday, and missed the conversations)

[18:58:47]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah

[18:59:11]

sphery:

only problem is then perople will be choosy about what they read

[18:59:29]

Beirdo:

yes, thanks, stuartm :)

[18:59:39]

sphery:

"I /am/ reading commits... (But I don't read tickets, so I had no idea we already had 12 dups of the issue I just re-reported."

[19:00:07]

sphery:

anyway, Beirdo, hope today isn't as long a day for you as yesterday

[19:00:17]

Beirdo:

I hope not, but we'll see

[19:01:21]

wagnerrp:

where specifically do the commit hooks live? the current in-use ones

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Beirdo:

in /opt/git/extras/git_hooks

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Beirdo:

i.e. they come from the checked-out extras repo

[19:03:10]

Beirdo:

at least the email one

[19:03:14]

Beirdo:

the trac one is in trac

[19:03:24]

Beirdo:

the Github plugin to be precise

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Beirdo:

which (just to confuse us) is in /usr/lib/python2.6

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Beirdo:

so for your svn->git redirector (once it's ready), you can put it into the extras repo somewhere (create a new dir if needed) and we can easily tell apache to like it

[19:05:34]

Beirdo:

or if you have it somewhere else already, fine, we can use that too :)

[19:05:36]

wagnerrp:

all it takes is a couple rewrite rules to make apache like it

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Beirdo:

sweet

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wagnerrp:

its in /opt/tmp if you want to play with it

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wagnerrp:

is the rewrite rules are in the readme therein

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[19:07:44]

Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

s/is/and/

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Beirdo:

if you wanted to just put that into extras as a commitlog dir, it would be cool

[19:08:28]

Beirdo:

unless you didn't want it available, of course :)

[19:09:17]

Beirdo:

hehe, and we have two essentially identical mysql tables. Hehehe

[19:09:22]

Beirdo:

not that it matters

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Beirdo:

they are tiny

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wagnerrp:

two? where is the other one?

[19:09:50]

Beirdo:

beirdobot.plugin_svngit

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Beirdo:

[1234]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 1234: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9d1c57c4

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Beirdo:

for that

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Beirdo:

no problems, we can have two copies of it in the server, makes it easier to move it, etc later should need be

[19:10:46]

wagnerrp:

im going to be changing mine anyway

[19:10:48]

** iamlindoro wonders how sensitive the [1] bracket thing is **

[19:10:48]

MythLogBot:

SVN 1: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ce7a5f62

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's less than 2MB of data, and using beirdobot's db for the script would be odd

[19:10:55]

iamlindoro:

that answers that

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

im going to have it include all commits with a timestamp

[19:11:22]

wagnerrp:

not just those with matching svn commits

[19:11:23]

Beirdo:

it's \[(\d+)\]

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Beirdo:

oooh, yeah, add in the timestamp, makes sense

[19:11:44]

wagnerrp:

anything for ticket #1234 ?

[19:11:53]

Beirdo:

nope

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stuartm:

wow, jannau started the project and not Isaac!

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iamlindoro:

heh, I think that used to be "root"

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Beirdo:

heh. The issue with the SVN is that we'll have reports of bugs based on SVN and we need to track em down

[19:12:39]

wagnerrp:

which (unless you wanted to adapt your script for it) im working through the git-python stuff to write something up to make a database for everything

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Beirdo:

pretty sure that was root :)

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Beirdo:

looks like root->jannau instead of root->Isaac... hehe

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I could look at extracting commit date as well

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Beirdo:

but I doubt I'll have time today, so feel free :)

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stuartm:

now here's where I find out whether the bot stuff works with my git commit id to link stuff – [12344] https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9d1c57c4

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MythLogBot:

SVN 12344: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/ff141058

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, but it needs to be every commit... and pull the svn changeset for those that have it

[19:14:30]

wagnerrp:

a bit more difficult to do

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Beirdo:

certainly don't want to hold you up

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stuartm:

huzzah, ok that's good [ commitref ] results in a link instead

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wagnerrp:

if it were just the timestamp i was adding, im sure i could fudge my way through enough perl/git to pull that off

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Beirdo:

stuartm: yours mapped 1234, not 12344 :)

[19:16:59]

Beirdo:

ahh, cut/paste typo

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuartm:

Beirdo: nah, second was [ 9d1c57c4 ] – I copy/pasted from your earlier example as I didn't have a git commit ref handy

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Beirdo:

gotcha

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Beirdo:

if you wanna get spammy, it will even do more than one on a line

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sphery:

hmmm.... I'm starting to think that someone removed the ia44blend OSD renderer from our code...

[19:18:01]

stuartm:

regexp might not be perfect – \[([a-zA-Z0–9]{6,9})\]

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Beirdo:

you might want {6,40} :0

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Beirdo:

in case some wonk gives the full sha1

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stuartm:

Beirdo: considered that, just wasn't sure many people would copy out the full thing, probably better to be safe

[19:19:12]

Beirdo:

fair enough :0

[19:19:21]

Beirdo:

dangit what's with my shift key

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Beirdo:

:)

[19:19:24]

Beirdo:

there

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stuartm:

and if they do, it only works when inside [] – not sure everyone will continue with that convention now we're using git

[19:20:05]

Beirdo:

how true

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stuartm:

changed it to 40

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stuartm:

I wish they would, since it will make things easier, but it was a loosely observed with svn and git is pretty different so ...

[19:21:23]

Beirdo:

hehe, I forgot to even check if my cross-compile finished.

[19:21:36]

Beirdo:

it was compiling Qt a couple nights ago when I went to bed

[19:22:00]

Beirdo:

well, we can try to be a good example and try to remember to use that convention

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Spida:

when I use e to edit videos in mythfrontend (0.24), I can select (using cursor up/down) the jump length, but if I try to jump forward/backwar (with cursor left/rigth) mythfrontend freezes. anybody seen this/knows how to fix this?

[19:24:02]

wagnerrp:

my bet is the recording editor is expecting a proper seek table

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wagnerrp:

which videos are not going to have

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sphery:

heh, just accidentally used OpenGL renderer over X forwarding--no wonder it was so slow

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Hehehe... it's horribly slow on an NX session too. ;-)

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: heh, never tried it with NX

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sphery:

at least with the new "give up the transition if it takes more than X seconds" code, it only takes X seconds per change

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: NX is the best!!!!! ;-) (that's how I connet from work... hehehe)

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sphery:

I've always been a fan of TightVNC

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sphery:

of course, I don't do :0 sharing

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J-e-f-f-A:

'connect' even... NX is WAY faster than VNC...

[19:43:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

yeah, NX can't do that, as far s I'm aware.

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sphery:

yeah, I primarily use tightvnc's vncviewer for helping family/friends with their Windows boxes

[19:44:32]

sphery:

though I set up tightvnc on one system for the server

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sphery:

(one GNU/Linux system, that is)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Ah, yeah – I did that too for my mom many times in the past. But once someone on here suggested I try NX, I never went back. (For Linux anyways)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

can nx do windows?

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sphery:

or is that the commercial version, only?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: The server is commercial on Windows. The client is free. I use 'freenx' on Linux.

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sphery:

ahh

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sphery:

"And distcc is awesome in these cases. I can compile Myth on my Acer Atom 230 in around 20 minutes. "

[20:00:18]

sphery:

um... Isn't the point of distcc that you're /not/ compiling on your Atom

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sphery:

for your atom, yeah, but using all your real computers to do it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yes, you can set it up so /all/ compilation runs remotely

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

and the atom basically becomes a batch manager

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jams:

sphery- ssssh don't take away the magic

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

just thought it was funny the way it was worded

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sharp15:

if i'm looking for multiple tuner hdtv over-the-air cards for use with linux where should i be looking/asking for help?

[20:27:14]

elmojo:

#linuxtv

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sharp15:

elmojo: thank you.

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wagnerrp:

even better...

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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sharp15:

now i need to figure out which formats i'm looking for.

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sphery:

sharp15: is probably left wondering whether to thank wagnerrp or MythLogBot for that last one

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sphery:

where are you in the world?

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sharp15:

wagnerrp: thank you.

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sharp15:

sphery: the USA.

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sphery:

ATSC if using OTA

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sphery:

NTSC is no longer broadcast OTA, TTBOMK (except, maybe, for some rare waivered broadcast stations)

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wagnerrp:

for multi-tuner atsc, theres the HVR-2250, the HDHomeRun, and i think a FusionHDTV card

[20:33:41]

wagnerrp:

youre rather limited

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sharp15:

sphery: ok. thank you. didn't know if DVB-x was Europe or something else.

[20:34:19]

wagnerrp:

primarily europe and australia

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sphery:

heh, DVB is what ATSC would have been if the US didn't have a NIH issue

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sharp15:

NIH?

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sphery:

i.e. rather than use a standard that was in use around the world, the US decided to make a few changes to it so we could call it our own

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sphery:

"Not Invented Here"

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sharp15:

that NIH. understood.

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sphery:

and, of course, the changes were just large enough to require a large investment in reworking the existing DVB equipment

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sphery:

so basically, ATSC is "invented by the US so we could pay for it all over again"

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, the existing DVB equipment at the time didnt do HD

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sphery:

at least that's my opinion on the matter

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wagnerrp:

of course we then botched it, not having sufficient bandwidth to do 1080p

[20:39:01]

wagnerrp:

rather, theres plenty of bandwidth to do 1080p30... but we feel theres something wrong if we dont broadcast at 60Hz

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wagnerrp:

1080p24 even

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and the networks chose to use one format for all content

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sphery:

rather than choosing the best format for the currently-broadcast content

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iamlindoro:

In fairness, 720p60 with actual 60fps content does pretty much rock :)

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sphery:

i.e. 1080p24 for movies, 720p60 for sports, 1080i60 for dramas

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: for sports, sure

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iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

for news shows... meh

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wagnerrp:

but most pre-recorded content is going to be 24Hz

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wagnerrp:

they either telecine to 1080i, or 2:3 dupe to 720p

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wagnerrp:

i would /love/ if they just broadcast the 1080p24 source material

[20:43:59]

wagnerrp:

let the TV do with it as it pleased

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sharp15:

sorry to keep this off-topic stuff going, but is there a reason the HVR-2250 wants a 2.2GHz P4 and not a ARM Cortex or something?

[20:45:01]

wagnerrp:

sharp15: no, neither is powerful enough to decode HD MPEG2 content

[20:45:32]

wagnerrp:

but the Cortex is really undesirable even as a dedicated backend

[20:45:58]

sharp15:

can you expand on that? not sure why it would be undesirable.

[20:46:08]

wagnerrp:

its got no power

[20:47:06]

sharp15:

no power for what? the UI shouldn't take that much unless i missed something.

[20:47:31]

wagnerrp:

you need power to run the database, you need power for the scheduler, you need power for guide data processing, you need power for commflagging and transcoding

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stuartm:

it's as powerful as an asthmatic three-legged hamster running round his wheel

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wagnerrp:

and thats just the backend

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wagnerrp:

the frontend actually needs to do playback

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wagnerrp:

and an ARM isnt cut out for anything HD

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wagnerrp:

they dont make a VPU worth using

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sharp15:

ok. i guess i didn't expect much processing from this. just a decoder and a graphics card.

[20:48:59]

wagnerrp:

and come 0.25, they dont make a VPU that can be used with mythtv

[20:49:09]

wagnerrp:

thats the thing, ARMs dont have a decoder

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wagnerrp:

they have a video processor that does partial offloading

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sphery:

decoding high-bitrate video is not a trivial application

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wagnerrp:

at least with something like an ION, we simply dump the video bitstream onto the video card and tell it "output"

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J-e-f-f-A:

stuartm: HA!!! ;-)

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sphery:

takes some serious general-purpose CPU grunt or a dedicated decoder (like in the VDPAU-capable nvidia cards)

[20:50:18]

sharp15:

sphery: agreed. i didn't expect the cpu to be doing the decoding.

[20:50:45]

sphery:

remember, GNU/Linux is not Windows

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stuartm:

sharp15: ARM cpus are weak, to achieve what they do in smartphones etc the software needs to be written specifically for that architecture, tweaked to the last line, they don't do well with general purpose code that's why they aren't found in every computer

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wagnerrp:

with VIA (XvMC), it only does motion compensation, meaning you have all the rest of MPEG2 decoding to do on the CPU (around 60% of it)

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wagnerrp:

and on top of that, you get all sorts of UI limitations through XvMC

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sphery:

so vendors aren't falling all over themselves trying to add support for their proprietary, closed hardware

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stuartm:

ARM has it's uses, but they are very specific

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sphery:

so we don't really get any GPU help--except for VDPAU from nvidia

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sphery:

stuartm: as a UK resident, you're supposed to say only good things about ARM

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wagnerrp:

sharp15: if you want to use mythtv, you would be well advised to spend some money, and get a 'real' machine to use

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sphery:

I just hope you don't get arrested for treason--we'd miss your efforts on MythTV

[20:52:38]

wagnerrp:

mini-itx AMDs and Intel systems really arent that expensive

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sphery:

+1 on the real machine

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sphery:

and can be done such that they idle at very low energy usage

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wagnerrp:

and you can either bump up to a micro-atx if you need more room for tuner cards or hard drives

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sphery:

and if you use vdpau for playback, you can keep idling while watching TV

[20:53:16]

wagnerrp:

or you can use an older machine as a dedicated backend, and a small mini-itx system as a frontend

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sphery:

and best power savings--even better than an ARM Cortex A9--is shutting down the system when not in use

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sharp15:

wagnerrp: i don't have the machine yet. was just trying to figure out why i needed 2GHz+ to deal with this.

[20:54:58]

wagnerrp:

as mentioned, a 2.2GHz P4 is really not even powerful enough for reliable playback of the kind of content youre going to record over ATSC

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stuartm:

bah, I used arm-based machines at school, they were OK, but since then ARM has failed to set the world alight, they've been right to focus on the embedded market because they just can't compete with Intel/AMD

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wagnerrp:

and commflagging HD content on any ARM is going to run at best half realtime

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stuartm:

sharp15: Atom + Intel ION is fairly low power but it includes hardware decoding which makes all the difference

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sharp15:

stuartm: i hadn't looked at Atom yet. i just pulled the name of a low power processor out of the air.

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sharp15:

ok. thank you. i'll keep looking.

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wagnerrp:

sharp15: to be honest, most processors are fairly low power these days

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wagnerrp:

you can build a microatx i5 system, not take any special measures, and do under 30W idle

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ekoffel:

hello

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ekoffel:

hello all

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resno:

hey

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ekoffel:

can mythtv stream netflix?

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jams:

nope

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ekoffel:

just i need windows box for that

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wagnerrp:

you need a box that supports silverlight

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wagnerrp:

which basically means !linux

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ekoffel:

wagnerrp i thought linux didn't support silverlight

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wagnerrp:

yes... "!linux"

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high-rez:

!x is another way os saying != X or 'does not equal X'

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wagnerrp:

the other two major systems, windows and osx, both have the necessary silverlight drm components to do netflix

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wagnerrp:

complain to netflix about using a more open standard

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Beirdo:

like they have a choice

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wagnerrp:

whoops... drm is precluded from being open by its very nature

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high-rez:

or vote with your wallet.

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Beirdo:

I bet the movie/show providers forced them into it

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high-rez:

After my free netflix trial ends I won't end up giving them my money

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high-rez:

Beirdo: Doesn't hulu use flash .. ?

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wagnerrp:

forced them into silverlight specifically?

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Beirdo:

or don't try to use Linux for netflix

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Beirdo:

forced them into strong DRM

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wagnerrp:

there is no such thing as strong DRM

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high-rez:

Only DRM that has yet to be broken.

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wagnerrp:

the keys exist on your system somewhere, you just need to find them

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wagnerrp:

and until the TPM bits become so ubiquitous that DRM can actually rely on them to be usable, there will always be a way to break it

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wagnerrp:

even then, you can still build custom hardware to compromise TPM

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Wicked:

whats tpm

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stuartm:

I think that the BBC were working on an open source DRM, but I must have dreamt it because I can't see to find any mention of it

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Wicked:

trusted platform module?

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wagnerrp:

trusted platform module

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Wicked:

ah

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: cant be done

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wagnerrp:

there always /must/ be some component hidden and compiled in

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wagnerrp:

some sort of secret that cannot be got at

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stuartm:

TPM under it's original design wouldn't have allow custom hardware to be connected to the system, thankfully TPM has largely failed and was scaled back as a result

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: sure it would have, it just requires a fairly lengthy process of trial and error

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: for that reason you could say that encryption solutions cannot be open source, but they more or less are all well known algorithms

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wagnerrp:

as the TPM chips repeatedly self destruct

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: no, encryption solutions are secure if they require a brute force attack of sufficient duration to break

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wagnerrp:

the difference is, the end user has access to the keys, and the encrypted content

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wagnerrp:

with DRM, the user is to have neither

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wagnerrp:

meaning they must be securely stored somewhere on the user's system

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wagnerrp:

thats something that really cant be reliably done

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ekoffel:

so linux will play netflix ?

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stuartm:

no

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

for netflix, you need a box that supports silverlight

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stuartm:

netflix uses Microsoft only technology

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wagnerrp:

which basically means !linux

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Beirdo:

around and around we go

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ekoffel:

ahh okay

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wagnerrp:

the other two major systems, windows and osx, both have the necessary silverlight drm components to do netflix

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ekoffel:

so i can use vmware and windows inside linux to make it work lol

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wagnerrp:

no, vmware cant do video with any meaningful performance

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ekoffel:

ahh

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: I feel certain that there must be a solution, even one which is different to traditional DRM, which could work as open source but I'm too tired to start designing it tonight ;)

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: fwiw googling shows that several companies are pushing open source DRM ideas, including Sun (guess that would be Oracle now) but I've no idea whether any of those were practical

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: you can have an open source DRM implementation, but the actual product MUST be delivered as compiled code with the key built in

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wagnerrp:

and preferably, with some custom obfuscation algorithm to prevent you from finding the key by looking at the code from clues

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wagnerrp:

s/from/for/

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wagnerrp:

the program itself must be trusted, and if the end user can compile their own copy, there is no way to do so

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clever:

yeah, thats the problem with open source drm

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clever:

i can just grab the source, edit the check out, and compile a new version

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wagnerrp:

its like the PKE private key

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wagnerrp:

you have to give someone the private key, and hope they dont use it for nefarious purposes

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wagnerrp:

you cant do that

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stuartm:

hmm, again maybe I'm not thinking too clearly, but isn't that the answer? Don't include the key in the software, include it in a tiny binary embedded in the media itself – the software reads that into memory and pipes through it – with appropriate security in the form of checksums to ensure that the binary is what we're expecting

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: thats the idea of a conditional access system

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stuartm:

the binary component, which would consist of open source algo+key could be verified by a trusted authority to ensure that it hasn't been tampered with, they issue the checksum which the end application uses to verify the integrity

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wagnerrp:

pump encrypted content into the blob, pull decrypted content out

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wagnerrp:

but conditional access, you dont need a blob to do

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wagnerrp:

since you have to ask the headend (or whoever) for access rights to it

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wagnerrp:

with DRM, you cannot give decrypted content to untrusted code

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wagnerrp:

so everything from the point you pump encrypted content into the blob, to the point it shows up on screen, must be distributed as a compiled object

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, the user could just compile in replacement code that would take the unencrypted content, and dump it to disk

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wagnerrp:

and theres nothing the blob can say or do about that

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stuartm:

right, it's the end-to-end bit that I'm forgetting

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k_ross:

i'm with richard stallman on this, death to all drm please! we shouldn't be looking for ways to bring drm to linux, i say keep it out!

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wagnerrp:

which means the graphics card and graphics drivers also have to be binary, and set up in such a manner that they can be authenticated and trusted

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wagnerrp:

lest someone use LD_PRELOAD and stuff something in between, or simply set up their own VFB to render to

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wagnerrp:

the only real chance we would ever see of something usable

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stuartm:

k_ross: sadly commercial realities do require it

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wagnerrp:

were if everything were build entirely into the graphics drivers

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wagnerrp:

something similar to VDPAU

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stuartm:

to live in a world without DRM we'd need to live in a world where everyone was completely honest and didn't steal

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wagnerrp:

where we pump in the full stream, and it gets decrypted, demultiplexed, decoded, and output based off what the software tells it to do

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wagnerrp:

and then youre basically right where TiVo and other similar systems are

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stuartm:

the existence of napster, limewire, pirate bay et al shows that we don't live in that world, if they think they can get away with it then many people will steal everything they can

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k_ross:

the music industry hasn't gone bankrupt as a result of drm-free music stores

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stuartm:

k_ross: but the music stores have, left, right and centre

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k_ross:

meh, people who want to steal will steal. drm only makes things difficult for people who want to be legit

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stuartm:

the argument that many pirates use is that artists can perform live to earn their living, which is nieve but still partly true, what are TV actors, writers and directors supposed to do – perform their films live? Authors earn a living reading their books to an audience?

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wagnerrp:

k_ross: correct, DRM was never intended to prevent piracy

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wagnerrp:

it is intended to control those users who do try to act within the law

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wagnerrp:

controlling where and how you can shift your content allows them to create a lasting revenue stream

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wagnerrp:

since they lost their fair use cases in the 80s, DRM exists as an end-run around the existing court rulings to prevent such otherwise fair use

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stuartm:

k_ross: DRM for online streaming content shouldn't restrict anyone, since it's available to stream at any time and you're paying specifically to have it streamed – it's a little different to Blu-ray etc where I'd argue that you should be free to watch it on the device of your choosing

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stuartm:

anyway, I'm not supporting the behaviour of some rights holders, but I don't think it's nearly as black and white as saying all DRM is bad

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stuartm:

I don't like or want DRM, but I do want a choice in what I watch, listen to or read and sometimes that's going to mean DRM

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stuartm:

fwiw, watermarking is the big thing now and it achieves some of the same things as DRM without restricting your usage in any way

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Spida:

wagnerrp: with videos, I meant recorded tv-shows...

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skd5aner:

15Mb down, yet the best youtube can do is 200k :P

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