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| [00:10:02] | sphery: | anyone know if git has a nice way of finding out when a file was rm'ed from the repo? |
| [00:11:06] | sphery: | woah... git log --diff-filter=D --summary > ~/deletes |
| [00:11:07] | sphery: | nice |
| [00:11:13] | iamlindoro: | git --filestatus --deleted=true stillexists no filename|xargs fapfapfap|wc -l|sed s/true/false/|more |
| [00:11:15] | iamlindoro: | duh |
| [00:11:32] | iamlindoro: | I was close |
| [00:12:10] | sphery: | heh |
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| [00:15:09] | iamlindoro: | dang, I could almost actually watch some things in Youtube under these conditions |
| [00:17:23] | sphery: | heh, those kids wiping out on skateboards look more interesting when you have a remote? |
| [00:17:41] | sphery: | (that's a dig at YouTube, not at MNV :) |
| [00:19:04] | iamlindoro: | Heh, was watching trailers |
| [00:19:18] | iamlindoro: | a lot more worthwhile when they come up fullscreen, at 720p, remote controllable |
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| [00:23:50] | sphery: | heh, yeah, trailers would be worthwhile |
| [00:24:07] | sphery: | I annoy a lot of friends when I force them to watch the trailers before DVDs :) |
| [00:24:29] | sphery: | (the ones on the DVDs, that is) |
| [00:24:31] | wagnerrp: | disney annoys a lot of people when they pull the same ticks |
| [00:24:35] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:24:51] | sphery: | true--in many disks, you can't skip the trailers |
| [00:24:59] | sphery: | (at least, not with a licensed player) |
| [00:25:14] | wagnerrp: | any suggestions on finding what is using a driver? |
| [00:25:28] | wagnerrp: | trying to get lirc_zilog working |
| [00:25:37] | wagnerrp: | i didnt have the firmware in place when i first loaded it |
| [00:25:43] | wagnerrp: | and now i cant unload it |
| [00:26:32] | jannau: | fuser/lsof on the device node |
| [00:27:34] | wagnerrp: | nada |
| [00:27:37] | wagnerrp: | ... reboot it is |
| [00:28:38] | jannau: | but if no lircd is running it's probably a driver bug. complain to j-rod in #lirc |
| [00:28:53] | wagnerrp: | there was a segfault in dmesg |
| [00:29:01] | wagnerrp: | i presumed it was because there was no firmware |
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| [00:39:42] | wagnerrp: | nope, its got the firmware but still crashing |
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| [01:11:24] | alan`: | hey so i moved away from ubuntu and fedora and now have sound in TV time but when i load mythfrontend and start tv it segmentation fault (core dumps) right after audio is attempted to be loaded |
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| [01:27:17] | iamlindoro: | HOLY PINK EMAIL |
| [01:27:35] | Azelphur: | PINK EMAIL? HAS BARBIE TAKEN OVER YOUR MAIL SERVER? |
| [01:27:50] | wagnerrp: | NO! UNICORNS HAVE! |
| [01:28:09] | Azelphur: | UNICORNS? AWESOME. |
| [01:28:15] | Azelphur: | I WANT A UNICORN. |
| [01:31:24] | sphery: | oops, wrong e-mail |
| [01:31:40] | sphery: | yay, my first git commit--and it's wrong |
| [01:33:21] | wagnerrp: | hey look, i can do substraction! |
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| [01:37:12] | russell5_: | does anyone know what qam format i should scan with looking for the clearqam channels on fios |
| [01:37:36] | wagnerrp: | qam256 |
| [01:38:01] | russell5_: | thanks |
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| [01:42:19] | russell5_: | so far the install of my 2250 seems to be going ok |
| [01:42:21] | russell5_: | :) |
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| [04:11:37] | m4xx: | i'm trying to play a sound byte with mplayer while in live tv mode but it freezes. is it possible to successfully do so? |
| [04:11:59] | [R]: | what "freezes" |
| [04:12:26] | m4xx: | mplayer |
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| [04:13:45] | m4xx: | i guess it cant share the sound device |
| [04:14:09] | [R]: | uh... that woudln't cause mplayer to "freeze" |
| [04:14:31] | m4xx: | i thought with alsa multiple devices could use the same device |
| [04:14:42] | [R]: | they can |
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| [04:14:46] | m4xx: | sorry multiple apps |
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| [04:39:03] | m4xx: | is there something i need to set to have live tv use alsa ? |
| [04:39:18] | wagnerrp: | livetv should already be using alsa |
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| [04:41:55] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so i'm taking a new direction and def breaking the TOS on southpark, so can't release it |
| [04:42:48] | m4xx: | i set mplayer to use alsa and it didn't play until i actually exited mythtv frontend |
| [04:44:01] | wagnerrp: | sounds like mplayer is actually set to use pulse emulating alsa |
| [04:44:05] | wagnerrp: | so when mythtv terminates pulse |
| [04:44:15] | wagnerrp: | mplayer's audio doesnt push through until pulse is restarted |
| [04:45:59] | m4xx: | mplayer -ao alsa sound.wav? |
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| [05:05:36] | m4xx: | removed pulseaudio and works now. thank you very much :) |
| [05:07:51] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio, the scourge of mythtv since 0.21 |
| [05:08:29] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:08:41] | [R]: | wagnerrp: the python-lxml is pretty good |
| [05:12:27] | wagnerrp: | DOM, ETree, or XPath? |
| [05:12:38] | [R]: | xpath |
| [05:13:18] | [R]: | just finished my xml parser to parse out the rtmp urls for southpark |
| [05:13:49] | wagnerrp: | holy crap, what just happened |
| [05:14:08] | [R]: | i dunno... what? |
| [05:14:40] | wagnerrp: | someone did something to git |
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| [05:14:59] | wagnerrp: | which resulted in the past two days of commit emails to come flooding back through a second time |
| [05:15:05] | [R]: | i thought i saw repeats |
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| [05:19:56] | Beirdo: | as always... look at the network graph |
| [05:20:58] | iamlindoro: | as always, these commit messages suck |
| [05:21:18] | iamlindoro: | it shouldn't be *possible* for that to happen, no matter how much you blame it on our ignorance to git |
| [05:21:43] | Beirdo: | what, it shouldn't be possible to merge a branch into another? |
| [05:21:55] | wagnerrp: | any brach-to-branch merges should just report a list of commits that were involved |
| [05:21:57] | iamlindoro: | What, it should require a rehash of 50 commit messages? |
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| [05:22:34] | Beirdo: | I will see if I can do something to mitigate this |
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| [06:07:07] | [R]: | iamlindoro: you there? |
| [06:07:18] | iamlindoro: | In and out, but yes, still here |
| [06:07:31] | [R]: | iamlindoro: is there a way to make mythnetvision play multiple urls in a row? |
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| [06:09:17] | iamlindoro: | No, not presently-- it would need to be handled in the player, or alternately you could use an HTML page and run the playlist with javascript |
| [06:09:41] | iamlindoro: | see how Vimeo/BBC/Youtube/Dailymotion/blip.tv work as of the last day or so |
| [06:09:55] | [R]: | ah... thanks |
| [06:09:59] | iamlindoro: | you could have the BE serve a custom HTML page for your grabber and have javascript handle the events/transitions between items |
| [06:12:14] | [R]: | how do i make github show me a diff? |
| [06:13:01] | [R]: | oh, got it |
| [06:14:46] | [R]: | iamlindoro: how evil does it sound if i'm gonna use vlc plugin inside of a html that mythnetvision serves up? |
| [06:15:34] | iamlindoro: | It's minimally a little unfortunate-- especially since getting rtsp direct playback in myth trunk is possibly about a 3 line patch |
| [06:15:48] | iamlindoro: | (don't hold me to that-- but I think 3 or so lines might just do it) |
| [06:16:12] | [R]: | i'm not using rtsp |
| [06:16:22] | iamlindoro: | what format are you playing? |
| [06:16:23] | [R]: | rtmpe |
| [06:16:26] | iamlindoro: | same |
| [06:16:33] | iamlindoro: | at least in terms of lines of diff |
| [06:16:40] | [R]: | i havent found antyhing that plays rtmpe |
| [06:16:46] | [R]: | except rtmpdump |
| [06:17:31] | iamlindoro: | /mythtv/external/FFmpeg/libavformat/rtmp* |
| [06:18:23] | [R]: | rtmp support doesnt' imply rtmpe |
| [06:18:50] | iamlindoro: | But anyway, I bet you'd get a lot more enjoyment out of writing a ToS-compliant grabber, as then we could distribute it and people could praise you publicly ;) |
| [06:18:58] | Shadow__X: | amd cpu's sure like to compete on price |
| [06:18:58] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:19:08] | [R]: | iamlindoro: i would.... but my ion can't handle the HD southpark content |
| [06:19:12] | [R]: | with the flash player |
| [06:19:34] | iamlindoro: | [R], I'm really not going to be able to give you any technical MNV assistance under those circumstances, unfortunately |
| [06:19:39] | [R]: | ok |
| [06:19:41] | [R]: | understood |
| [06:24:00] | [R]: | wtf... the guy would rather kill himself than let the cops get him |
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| [07:50:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can be installed on a stock ubuntu system, yes |
| [07:51:10] | wagnerrp: | the backend handles the tuners and the hard drives, and recordings content |
| [07:51:40] | wagnerrp: | the frontend accesses the backend over the network (either physical, or loopback) and pulls content for playback |
| [07:51:54] | wagnerrp: | CppIsWeird: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [07:52:08] | CppIsWeird: | thats pretty much what i gather i just couldnt figure out if the backend had to be on a dedicated box. thank you. :-) |
| [07:52:27] | wagnerrp: | the frontend, backend, and mysql server are all independent bits |
| [07:52:52] | wagnerrp: | they can be where ever you want so long as the machine has sufficient CPU, memory, network access, and bandwidth |
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| [08:07:01] | Guest33322: | hi, I think I have a fairly unique problem with mythfrontend, basically, the video playback is translucent I can see "through" it to my desktop. |
| [08:07:18] | wagnerrp: | turn off compiz (desktop effects) |
| [08:07:24] | Guest33322: | I'm hoping someone can help as I've been scratching my head with this one for a couple days. |
| [08:07:36] | Guest33322: | I tried turning off compiz, it had no effect |
| [08:08:10] | Guest33322: | I also tried logging into a dedicated mythbuntu session and the problem was the same |
| [08:08:35] | wagnerrp: | thats the only thing i can think of which would cause that |
| [08:08:43] | wagnerrp: | some opengl compositing engine |
| [08:08:45] | Guest33322: | yeah that was my first thought as well |
| [08:10:28] | Guest33322: | I tried the different playback profiles, most of them gave me no video but audio. The VDPAU ones give me the translucent video and audio. None work perfectly. |
| [08:10:57] | wagnerrp: | of anything, VDPAU should /not/ give you translucent video |
| [08:11:04] | wagnerrp: | as it renders directly to the screen |
| [08:11:09] | wagnerrp: | it will not work with compositing |
| [08:11:19] | wagnerrp: | what video card do you have? |
| [08:12:05] | Guest33322: | geforce gt220 |
| [08:12:56] | wagnerrp: | and youre using the nvidia drivers? |
| [08:13:01] | Guest33322: | yes |
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| [08:17:46] | Guest33322: | I found the recorded video files and checked them with VLC and they played fine so that leads me to believe that the problem is with mythfrontend and not the backend or my capture card |
| [08:18:12] | Guest33322: | the recorded video plays the same way from w/n myth |
| [08:18:46] | wagnerrp: | youve tried the 'Slim' profile, and it behaves the same way? |
| [08:19:33] | Guest33322: | slim gave me a fully transparent screen. I could hear the audio but got no video at all. |
| [08:20:02] | Guest33322: | the best I've been able to get is with the VDPAU and it's translucent, like a watermark or something. |
| [08:20:52] | Guest33322: | oh, I also tried watching the live tv stream with VLC and it worked perfectly as well. |
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| [08:40:43] | Guest33322: | so I guess this is a bust then huh? |
| [08:41:15] | wagnerrp: | it is late |
| [08:41:22] | wagnerrp: | you would probably be better off early evening |
| [08:41:27] | wagnerrp: | rather than 3am |
| [08:41:51] | Guest33322: | ok, I'll try again tomorrow. Thanks anyway |
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| [09:14:19] | Beirdo: | Udo-- |
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| [09:51:11] | justinh1: | bleh. my home IP is still blocked at work's gateway. this is not good |
| [09:51:38] | justinh1: | asked the IT bloke to look into it, which he said he did. I'm not gonna press the issue |
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| [10:57:26] | ikonia: | has anyone looked at updating the feodra guide on the mythtv wiki, it's getting a little out of date |
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| [12:52:39] | justinh1: | ikonia: so update it then :-) |
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| [12:54:55] | russell5_: | does any one know what group a user has to be in to use /dev/tty0? |
| [12:56:38] | justinh1: | whatever the rule says |
| [12:56:55] | justinh1: | ls -al /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| [12:57:01] | justinh1: | or tty0. whatever |
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| [12:59:16] | russell5_: | dialout. thanks didn't think of that |
| [13:00:47] | justinh1: | dialout? |
| [13:00:54] | rileyp: | My remote will not wake my pc from a suspend and Ive set cat /proc/acpi/wakeup Is there anything else I can do or check? |
| [13:01:05] | russell5_: | yeah they group was dial out |
| [13:01:18] | russell5_: | at least on ubuntu |
| [13:02:18] | justinh1: | rileyp: BIOS |
| [13:02:32] | rileyp: | yeah looked there |
| [13:02:51] | rileyp: | wake on pci and usb activity |
| [13:03:54] | rileyp: | another remote receiver works from suspend but not this particular one |
| [13:04:56] | justinh1: | then that'd tell me you can't use that receiver to wake up your machine |
| [13:06:46] | rileyp: | well it looks that way but I dont like giving up easliy |
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| [13:08:01] | justinh1: | if one IR receiver works with ACPI wakeup from USB activity and the other doesn't, with the same settings etc it's a fair bet it just won't work at all |
| [13:08:17] | rileyp: | could it be the receiver requires its driver running for it to work? I know little about ir receivers |
| [13:08:41] | justinh1: | nope |
| [13:08:51] | justinh1: | how would a driver work when a mchine is in standby anyway? |
| [13:09:06] | rileyp: | well thats dead right |
| [13:09:51] | justinh1: | it's more likely that the micro in the IR receiver which works is actually sending HID power key – type commands over the USB port – and the other one isn't |
| [13:11:21] | justinh1: | it could also be that the IR receiver is going into standby when you power down too |
| [13:11:47] | rileyp: | its located at /dev/usb/hiddev0 and thats what I use in hardware.conf |
| [13:12:42] | justinh1: | is there any documented evidence that other people have succeeded in making that IR receiver power a machine on from S3 ? |
| [13:13:51] | rileyp: | If its going into standby which for now sound like a fair thing is there a setting I could change. Not that I can find but little info is avaible on the receiver full stop. Its a dvico |
| [13:15:07] | justinh1: | ah some lame crap thing that came with a tuner. I doubt it'll ever work |
| [13:15:30] | justinh1: | known working stuff is something like the MCE USB receiver designed for Windows MCE gear |
| [13:15:38] | rileyp: | to leave power on it I noticed when looking through /dev/ devices have a litlle folder called power and wakeup and I ws thinking that perhaps there was a way to tweak one of those |
| [13:17:32] | rileyp: | I have a mce rc6 remote and receiver and it works good this is for another machine and while I have spare time I'd thought Id have a fiddle |
| [13:19:01] | russell5_: | so does anyone know a little about the init.d script and how to make it wait for udev-finish before starting |
| [13:20:05] | justinh1: | russell5_: that's more a question to ask in a #distro channel |
| [13:20:16] | russell5_: | yeah thought so thanks |
| [13:21:08] | justinh1: | init scripts are the sort of thing I'd expect to come with packages TBH |
| [13:21:09] | rileyp: | Is anyone working on new themes for myth? |
| [13:21:52] | justinh1: | not me |
| [13:22:00] | russell5_: | i installed from source and using the init scrip off the wiki. i just shouyld goolg emore lol |
| [13:24:04] | justinh1: | rileyp: the themes page on the wiki seems to list some (bloody awful) ones I'd never seen before |
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| [14:10:28] | rileyp: | usb.can_wake_up = false (bool) |
| [14:10:35] | justinh1: | heh themes in the theme chooser describing themselves as 'attractive'. Now THAT is a matter of opinion |
| [14:10:43] | rileyp: | lol |
| [14:11:44] | justinh1: | Description: ZOMG TEH BEST0R THEME EVAH |
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| [14:12:33] | rileyp: | when I look at hal-device it says usb.can_wake_up = false (bool) under the dvico device |
| [14:12:52] | rileyp: | is there away that can be changed |
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| [14:22:02] | justinh1: | I think those are read only |
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| [14:23:14] | rileyp: | yeah i was thinking that they are created after the device is plugged in and detected and depending on what the kernel says thats what goes. |
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| [14:29:21] | justinh1: | well, time to continue migrating my desktop machine to linux |
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| [14:52:37] | russell5_: | with git if you dont specify a branch you use the master right? and the master is the trunk branch right? |
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| [14:54:14] | justinh1: | no idea. hope I never have to use it |
| [14:54:19] | russell5_: | lol |
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| [14:54:34] | jams: | yes master=trunk=tip=head |
| [14:55:01] | russell5_: | thanks. it explains why my database has a newer schema than my other build |
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| [16:18:33] | ThisNewGuy: | hi all – I saw this (http://pastebin.com/gJTsKw1a) on the wiki after I had already done it, do I have any recourse? I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 |
| [16:20:26] | RyeBrye: | You don't want to use an nvidia card anymore? |
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| [16:24:00] | ThisNewGuy: | RyeBrye: I had vdpau installed in 9.10 for no good reason (I have a mac mini with intel hardware). I upgraded to 10.04 and now I don't get any picture when I play a show (just black screens with audio) and I'm guessing it's related to an opengl issue since the upgrade complained about the nvidia/vdpau stuff |
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| [16:24:51] | RyeBrye: | is the mini a backend / frontend? why not just use OS X and an OS X frontend? |
| [16:27:14] | ThisNewGuy: | it's a frontend with ubuntu 10.04 |
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| [18:05:09] | deegan: | I'm seeing some wierd behaviour from time to time where the video will freeze for about 1 second (or less) and "chop" 2–3 times and then start playing again. It looks like perhaps a GPU error but i'm not entirely sure. here is a pastebin, http://pastebin.com/5V3PkQ5p |
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| [18:06:28] | deegan: | I'm using a Zotac GT430 and have VDPAU high-quality profile on my frontend, the error right there is from a HD-channel. |
| [18:07:14] | deegan: | nvidia driver version is NVIDIA-Linux-x86–260.19.21 |
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| [18:11:00] | gregL: | deegan, Try the slim profile and see if that helps.. |
| [18:12:22] | deegan: | gregL: Will do. |
| [18:15:47] | kormoc_afk is now known as kormoc | |
| [18:16:43] | deegan: | this line still occurs though, [h264_vdpau @ 0xb6643aa0]illegal short term buffer state detected |
| [18:16:50] | deegan: | using vdpau-slim now. |
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| [18:30:18] | deegan: | yea no, same error. has to be a gpu thing i guess. |
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| [19:45:04] | sphery: | wow, Arrested Development: The Complete Series for $27.99 |
| [19:45:34] | ** kormoc twiddles his thumbs waiting for the movie ** | |
| [19:45:43] | sphery: | they're doing a movie of it/ |
| [19:45:44] | sphery: | ? |
| [19:45:49] | kormoc: | Aye! |
| [19:45:51] | sphery: | nice |
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| [19:46:05] | sphery: | guess I'll have to get the compelte series so I'm ready for the movie |
| [19:46:11] | kormoc: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901469/ |
| [19:46:29] | wagnerrp: | i watched it, never really got into it |
| [19:46:36] | sphery: | so, how much does it show for you? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JJ3Y78/ |
| [19:46:50] | ** wagnerrp wonders if hell be marked as a blasphemer ** | |
| [19:47:05] | kormoc: | sphery, $27.99 |
| [19:47:16] | sphery: | kormoc: is it showing as a gold box deal for you? |
| [19:47:22] | kormoc: | nope |
| [19:47:37] | sphery: | hmmm... some gold box deal for me |
| [19:47:47] | sphery: | same price as everyone else! |
| [19:47:50] | kormoc: | ooh, it does |
| [19:47:54] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [19:47:55] | kormoc: | it's not in the usual place |
| [19:47:58] | sphery: | so it's gold box for everyone |
| [19:48:06] | sphery: | always wondered if those were per-user deals or what |
| [19:48:14] | sphery: | yeah, they rearranged the pages a bit |
| [19:48:16] | kormoc: | yeah, it's everyone until they run out |
| [19:48:51] | ** sphery checks his lists to see if he should buy something else ** | |
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| [20:02:23] | skd5aner: | hmmm, wonder if it'd be worth it to get LOST on blu-ray rather than DVD |
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| [20:03:07] | wagnerrp: | do you have the storage space? |
| [20:03:42] | skd5aner: | Good point... |
| [20:03:52] | skd5aner: | 36 blu-ray discs |
| [20:03:56] | skd5aner: | at what 30GB? |
| [20:04:15] | wagnerrp: | figure each episode will be ~10GB |
| [20:04:56] | skd5aner: | well.. I typically like to rip the disc structure, not just each individual episode |
| [20:05:54] | skd5aner: | btw, am I recalling correctly that someone was considering looking at special handling of discs that may continue muliple episodes of a series? |
| [20:06:18] | wagnerrp: | such special handling has existed for several years |
| [20:06:34] | wagnerrp: | but its more designed for multiple-file episodes |
| [20:07:26] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: no, not that... |
| [20:07:45] | wagnerrp: | no, im not aware of anyone writing a dialog box for 'play next episode' |
| [20:07:52] | wagnerrp: | you can 'play all in folder' |
| [20:08:20] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: someone had mentioned, maybe only as a wish list or TODO item at the time, of looking at how to interface directly with multiple episodes that would be stored in an iso, but displaying them as single episodes in the UI |
| [20:08:46] | wagnerrp: | i vaguely remember something about that |
| [20:09:04] | skd5aner: | so, instead of having to rip each individual title/episode, you could keep the disc structure but yet interact with it as if you had each episode individually for metadata, etc |
| [20:09:04] | wagnerrp: | but you know how those things generally turn out |
| [20:09:12] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea :) |
| [20:09:24] | wagnerrp: | it may be possible with the recorded/video/markup/... rewrite |
| [20:09:43] | wagnerrp: | store the ISO, but have multiple files linking to different titles on the ISO |
| [20:09:54] | wagnerrp: | i remember mentioning such a thing to sphery a few weeks ago |
| [20:09:54] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: well, if it's on someone's TODO list, that's just slightly less vaporware than if it weren't on a dev's TODO list at all ;) – but vaporware none the less |
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| [20:10:29] | wagnerrp: | having not looked at the dvd reading code and having no knowledge of it what-so-ever, it doesnt seem like that would be too difficult |
| [20:11:06] | wagnerrp: | that is, with the rewrite |
| [20:14:02] | skd5aner: | The real issue, with LOST on blu-ray, is that libaacs likely won't decrypt it since it's so new |
| [20:14:29] | skd5aner: | that being said, I could try and rip it otherways I suppose |
| [20:17:21] | wagnerrp: | im saying the rewrite is on someone's todo list |
| [20:17:28] | wagnerrp: | (and has been since before i was a dev) |
| [20:17:54] | wagnerrp: | but the behavior i was talking about is a possibility that may be easily doable through that rewrite |
| [20:18:03] | wagnerrp: | anyway, aacs is cracked |
| [20:18:04] | skd5aner: | right, I understood that |
| [20:18:22] | wagnerrp: | there is no hddvd/bluray that uses it that cannot be decrypted |
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| [20:18:35] | wagnerrp: | so long as you have the proper codes |
| [20:18:39] | wagnerrp: | the problem is bd+ |
| [20:18:49] | wagnerrp: | and you need a 3rd world commercial product for that |
| [20:19:12] | ** AndyCap wonders what happened to the 2nd world. ** | |
| [20:20:06] | wagnerrp: | they overthrew their government |
| [20:20:40] | skd5aner: | anyone have any netbook recommendations (not for MythTV usage, just in general)? |
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| [20:21:50] | wagnerrp: | ah... i figured 'third world' was some derogatory connotation for small countries with military dictatorships |
| [20:22:04] | wagnerrp: | seems its actually cold war political affiliation |
| [20:23:22] | awalls: | skd5aner: I just looked at netbooks yesterday and decided I could get more stuff/$ going with a normal notebook |
| [20:23:32] | awalls: | so unless you need really tiny... |
| [20:23:45] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
| [20:23:59] | wagnerrp: | you can get a decent low end laptop for $400 |
| [20:24:13] | wagnerrp: | and youll have graphics at least as good as any 'netbook' |
| [20:24:17] | skd5aner: | nah – considering something to replace the wife's 6 year old powerbook |
| [20:24:32] | ** awalls has decided his own eyes and fingers can't handle tiny ** | |
| [20:24:33] | skd5aner: | small would be nice |
| [20:24:38] | wagnerrp: | see, now theres the problem |
| [20:24:46] | wagnerrp: | youre used to a nice laptop |
| [20:24:57] | skd5aner: | I'll stop you there... |
| [20:25:16] | skd5aner: | I am, by all means, a power user – she is, by all means, not... |
| [20:25:20] | wagnerrp: | performance aside, nice laptops come with niceties that you dont get in a cheap laptop |
| [20:25:23] | wagnerrp: | a nice screen |
| [20:25:25] | wagnerrp: | a nice keyboard |
| [20:25:35] | wagnerrp: | a reliable touchpad |
| [20:25:50] | skd5aner: | I was born yesterday, I understand the gives and takes ;) |
| [20:26:02] | wagnerrp: | screen hinges that dont flap around in the wind |
| [20:26:15] | awalls: | My friend who really need a netbook looked for one with the most battery life – he cam up with some Samsung unit (this was a few years ago) |
| [20:26:17] | skd5aner: | that said, the power connector on the G4 laptops is the worst design possibly conceived by man for a power adapter |
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| [20:26:38] | wagnerrp: | god... i hated all the cheap POS Dell laptops people in my class had |
| [20:26:53] | wagnerrp: | heavy, bulky, fugly |
| [20:27:05] | wagnerrp: | and the screen would flap 20 degrees before it hit any resistance |
| [20:27:27] | wagnerrp: | plus most people would buy 15" laptops with 1024x768 screens |
| [20:27:44] | wagnerrp: | i could sit three rows back and have no problem reading their screen |
| [20:30:18] | skd5aner: | Well, again... she doesn't necessarily need something powerful or crafted out of a single block of aluminum... she needs something that can handle a good browser, browse pictures, play music, and that's about it... |
| [20:30:40] | ** wagnerrp has been spoiled by a nice laptop ** | |
| [20:30:41] | granier21: | skd5aner: cheap nettop? |
| [20:30:57] | skd5aner: | a tablet would even suffice, but I refuse to get an iPad and the Samsung is too small and expensive |
| [20:31:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: me too, I've got a really nice lenovo that I ove |
| [20:31:18] | skd5aner: | love |
| [20:31:38] | granier21: | skd5aner: you ever submitted info to musicbrainz? |
| [20:31:48] | wagnerrp: | heh, ive got one from before 'thinkpad' was even a twinkle in lenovo's eye |
| [20:31:49] | skd5aner: | granier21: yes |
| [20:32:01] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I've had IBM thinkpads too |
| [20:32:04] | granier21: | skd5aner: tell me how the process works... |
| [20:32:17] | granier21: | there is listing on the MB site |
| [20:32:27] | skd5aner: | granier21: it's pretty easy, depending if you want to "edit" or "add" |
| [20:32:31] | granier21: | but it can't match my CD |
| [20:32:54] | skd5aner: | granier21: adding can be done via picard with a CD in the drive, or on the site directly... |
| [20:32:55] | granier21: | I dont know if the listing is a stub |
| [20:33:03] | wagnerrp: | i mean ive still got one, im typing on it right now |
| [20:33:18] | granier21: | but how do I sumbit my 'discid'? |
| [20:33:52] | skd5aner: | stubs are only if you don't want to create an account in order to add a release |
| [20:33:59] | awalls: | skd5aner: My wife actually likes her LG Ally (android) phone. Biggest gripes are keyboard size and incorrect links clicked on web-pages |
| [20:34:02] | granier21: | I'm running picard right now but I dont see where it let's me submit info |
| [20:34:18] | skd5aner: | granier21: it's kind of pointless to submit stubs |
| [20:34:19] | granier21: | lets* |
| [20:34:34] | granier21: | skd5aner: no, I think you misunderstand |
| [20:34:47] | granier21: | skd5aner: the listing exists on MB site |
| [20:34:57] | skd5aner: | granier21: Look up the CD on the site, if it already exists, then you likely won't need to submit a discid |
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| [20:35:24] | granier21: | I insert my CD, but picard doesn't match id (when you do lookup CD) |
| [20:35:31] | granier21: | it* |
| [20:35:59] | granier21: | so I want to submit my discid so iMB will have that info |
| [20:36:03] | skd5aner: | Is it a pressed CD and not a CD-R? |
| [20:36:12] | granier21: | retail pressed CD |
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| [20:36:49] | skd5aner: | so, if you insert the disc, it'll attempt to look up, but fails to return a result for that CD, correct? |
| [20:36:58] | granier21: | right |
| [20:37:11] | granier21: | but if you manually look up listing is there |
| [20:37:54] | skd5aner: | k... just a sec, this happens so infrequently for me, it's almost NEVER something I've had to deal with |
| [20:37:55] | granier21: | maybe someone else created a stub or whatever, I dont know |
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| [20:38:34] | granier21: | skd5aner: that's cause you don't have exotic taste in music :) |
| [20:39:03] | granier21: | skd5aner: it's happening to close to 75% of my collection |
| [20:39:06] | skd5aner: | heh, it's rare that a disc has a substantial amount of disc ids that wouldn't alreayd been there |
| [20:39:09] | skd5aner: | but, just a sec |
| [20:39:30] | wagnerrp: | udo started another memory leak ticket? |
| [20:39:54] | skd5aner: | granier21: so, when you put it up there, a CD lookup bo appears |
| [20:40:00] | granier21: | rigt |
| [20:40:09] | granier21: | search result is empty |
| [20:40:12] | skd5aner: | granier21: and you select "Lookup manually" – which will pop open a window |
| [20:40:18] | granier21: | I go on MB web site |
| [20:40:31] | skd5aner: | yup, so then you search for the artist (usually easiest) |
| [20:40:32] | granier21: | look for it manually (laboriously) |
| [20:40:50] | granier21: | and listing exists |
| [20:41:07] | granier21: | with all tracks and extended info |
| [20:41:08] | skd5aner: | and in that window, you find the listing... there is a box next to it that says "Select Release" correct? |
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| [20:41:20] | russell5_: | i get this error in mythweb |
| [20:41:22] | russell5_: | !NoTrans: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=63, backend=64)!! |
| [20:41:23] | granier21: | skd5aner: back up |
| [20:41:38] | russell5_: | even though i make distclean and remake and install |
| [20:41:47] | skd5aner: | K, first off – you HAVE to use the browser window picard opens... |
| [20:42:18] | granier21: | skd5aner: hold on |
| [20:42:21] | skd5aner: | granier21: the first screen that appears is the "Attach TOC to release"... and gives you the option of searching by Artist or Release |
| [20:42:33] | granier21: | you man if I press "manual find" |
| [20:42:47] | granier21: | mean* |
| [20:42:53] | skd5aner: | In the blank CD lookup box in picard, yes |
| [20:42:59] | skd5aner: | you running windows or linux? |
| [20:43:03] | granier21: | linux |
| [20:43:16] | skd5aner: | ok, I'm on windows, and the button to look it up is "Lookup manually" |
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| [20:43:27] | skd5aner: | ... in the blank CD lookup box |
| [20:43:32] | granier21: | well, Im going by memory atm |
| [20:43:37] | skd5aner: | when you click that, it does open a new browser window, correct? |
| [20:43:50] | wagnerrp: | russell5_: all instances of mythtv must be running the same protocol revision |
| [20:43:56] | wagnerrp: | either upgrade your mythweb install to trunk |
| [20:44:08] | granier21: | yeah, the page says this disc in not in or DB, please consider adding it |
| [20:44:11] | wagnerrp: | or downgrade your backend to 0.24 before there is a schema change that prevents you from doing so |
| [20:44:18] | skd5aner: | granier21: do you have an MB account and are you logged in (and are your credentials saved in Picard?)? |
| [20:44:24] | granier21: | yup |
| [20:44:31] | russell5_: | i was on trunk and tried to move to .24 fixes |
| [20:44:39] | russell5_: | i guess it didn't do it right |
| [20:44:41] | skd5aner: | granier21: ok, on that page, are there two search boxes? one for search by artist and another for search for release? |
| [20:45:09] | granier21: | probably, but those searchs don't return my stuff |
| [20:45:20] | skd5aner: | well, lets walk through step by step |
| [20:45:24] | granier21: | have to use advanced search |
| [20:45:36] | skd5aner: | I can't really help troubleshoot with "probably"s :) |
| [20:45:49] | skd5aner: | Any other way, will not work |
| [20:45:57] | skd5aner: | you have to use that specific search box |
| [20:46:03] | granier21: | skd5aner: I'm telling, those simple search never return the listings |
| [20:46:08] | skd5aner: | What's the artist? |
| [20:46:14] | granier21: | I'm telling you* |
| [20:46:35] | granier21: | Franz Joseph Haydn |
| [20:46:44] | granier21: | or Eugene Ysaye |
| [20:46:53] | skd5aner: | ok, so it's probably a compilation? |
| [20:46:57] | granier21: | nope |
| [20:46:57] | wagnerrp: | jannau: is YASM actually a requirement now? |
| [20:47:04] | granier21: | not compilations |
| [20:47:06] | skd5aner: | tell you what... since you found the album another way – can you send me the MB link to that album? |
| [20:47:16] | skd5aner: | I can reverse engineer from there |
| [20:47:17] | granier21: | sure |
| [20:47:22] | wagnerrp: | i know i needed to install it to get my backend compiled |
| [20:47:24] | granier21: | hold on |
| [20:47:32] | wagnerrp: | but i figured that was a quirk with the existing BSD tool set |
| [20:48:20] | iamlindoro: | TTBOMK It is not required, but performance will suffer severely without it |
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| [20:48:35] | granier21: | skd5aner: http://musicbrainz.org/album/541f1815-252d-4a . . . l?tport=8000 |
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| [20:49:29] | skd5aner: | granier21: so, what happens if you copy and paste that album title and use that in the search box that comes up when adding a TOC? |
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| [20:50:30] | granier21: | skd5aner: trying it now |
| [20:50:37] | skd5aner: | granier21: I just tried it with a dumby CD and it found it |
| [20:51:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: edit on the wiki, marked it as a requirement in the user manual |
| [20:51:15] | skd5aner: | granier21: or you could search for the album by using the artists name as it appears in MB – Eugène Ysaÿe |
| [20:51:24] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Looks like he reverted that and said it was advised |
| [20:52:40] | skd5aner: | granier21: for adding a TOC, it's very specific, you ahve to go through the wizard to do it, but for tagging, you can use the other search mechanisms... |
| [20:53:14] | skd5aner: | granier21: however, if all your discs are already ripped, you don't have to use the disc at all... just use picard to cluster an album, then search... it won't use the CD TOCs at all to do so |
| [20:54:03] | wagnerrp: | bah, windows virtual pc requires hardware assist |
| [20:54:22] | skd5aner: | I generally only worry about adding a TOC if the album doesn't exist at all in MB (or if it lists a different version/track count) – since I just use picard to tag what I've already ripped |
| [20:54:30] | skd5aner: | granier21:^ |
| [20:54:40] | granier21: | skd5aner: It shows up if I search via artist using copy&paste |
| [20:55:11] | skd5aner: | granier21: cool, yea – it's because the artist's name in MB is specific, and sounds different from the one you mentioned |
| [20:55:17] | jannau: | wagnerrp: not a strict but you have to explicitly disable it |
| [20:55:21] | granier21: | skd5aner: the point here is to help the next poor sap who has the disc |
| [20:55:55] | skd5aner: | granier21: fair enough, but if that pour sap is me, it probably won't matter to me because I'll have a directory of MP3s associated to that album and will never leverage the disc |
| [20:56:06] | skd5aner: | granier21: (at least from a MB perspective) |
| [20:56:20] | skd5aner: | granier21: that being said, it is a very nice thing to do for the community as a whole! |
| [20:56:46] | skd5aner: | There are people, players, and rippers that will leverage that data – just not the ones I use |
| [20:56:48] | granier21: | skd5aner: look, someone else did the hard work already of entering track info |
| [20:57:09] | granier21: | associating a disc ID to that inf shouldn't be a big deal |
| [20:57:20] | granier21: | but MB doesn't make it easy |
| [20:57:51] | granier21: | I hate to imaging if I had to enter track info |
| [20:57:53] | skd5aner: | granier21: add away! It almost never is, but I can see what is causing you some pain... it's the way the artists and album titles are... |
| [20:58:07] | granier21: | imagine* |
| [20:58:19] | skd5aner: | granier21: it's super easy to add a TOC for something like U2 – The Joshua Tree |
| [20:58:25] | granier21: | lol |
| [20:58:30] | granier21: | who needs that |
| [20:58:36] | granier21: | everyone has that |
| [20:58:43] | granier21: | that's common |
| [20:59:01] | skd5aner: | Not super easy to add Пётр Ильич Чайковский – Symphony No. 6 in B minor, "Pathétique", Op. 74 / The Storm Op. 76 (London Symphony Orchestra feat. conductor: Gennadi Rozhdestvensky) |
| [20:59:05] | granier21: | the classical stuff is what's hard |
| [20:59:17] | skd5aner: | yup |
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| [20:59:56] | skd5aner: | But, like you said – if you do it, it'll help future saps ;) |
| [21:00:38] | skd5aner: | I, however, typically only add TOCs if it's an album that doesn't exist yet in MB at all |
| [21:00:47] | skd5aner: | usually because I have to add the whole album, tracks, etc ;) |
| [21:01:01] | granier21: | skd5aner: my point is I'd probably never add track listing s to MB cause adding a discID is bad enough |
| [21:01:52] | granier21: | doesn't rank very high on the ease of use scale (for entering data) |
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| [21:02:41] | skd5aner: | well, you're also talking about data that's much harder to add ;) |
| [21:02:54] | skd5aner: | granier21: but I understand the pain |
| [21:03:10] | skd5aner: | I rarely have any difficulty adding new albums |
| [21:03:31] | skd5aner: | but, I usually only have to do that a few times a year – 98%+ is already there |
| [21:03:42] | granier21: | I dunno |
| [21:03:49] | skd5aner: | and, same as you – it's usually stuff that's a bit more on the fringe |
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| [21:04:08] | granier21: | I'm telling 75% of my stuff is not there |
| [21:04:32] | granier21: | or actually "buried" |
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| [21:04:44] | granier21: | it's there but no matching discID |
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| [21:05:17] | skd5aner: | granier21: pure issue of overlapping population... the population of people who own a Beatles album and use musicbrainz > the people who own some obscure classical artist compilation and use musicbrainz |
| [21:05:25] | resno: | for those with media servers how do you handle adding more harddrives to your system? |
| [21:05:30] | granier21: | as much a I'd like to joke around my tastes arent that eclectic |
| [21:06:01] | skd5aner: | granier21: like I said, you don't have to really worry that much about the discID, unless the album isn't there at all... what possibly do you need it for? |
| [21:06:50] | skd5aner: | If 100% of your music is ripped, you wouldn't ever put the disc in your machine anyway, especially if all you want to do is tag what's already ripped (which has no concept nor need of discID) |
| [21:06:57] | granier21: | skd5aner: for one thing I don't have to root around all of MB search for the data |
| [21:07:28] | skd5aner: | perhaps – I suppose you could use it as a shortcut to the data for tagging |
| [21:07:33] | granier21: | skd5aner: the search isn't exactly easy |
| [21:07:51] | granier21: | skd5aner: right, exactly, shortcut for tagging |
| [21:08:03] | skd5aner: | granier21: again – depends on what you're searching for – if you enter it right, it'll come up |
| [21:08:22] | skd5aner: | Not hard to search for U2 or Beatles and get it to come up, then look for the album in the list |
| [21:08:28] | granier21: | bah |
| [21:08:38] | granier21: | search for Zimmermann |
| [21:08:55] | skd5aner: | k? |
| [21:09:03] | granier21: | you'd be surprised that album doesn't even come up |
| [21:09:19] | granier21: | the one I linked earlier |
| [21:09:23] | skd5aner: | According to Musicbrainz, he's not the album's artist |
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| [21:09:48] | granier21: | no, you search for zimmerman using relase |
| [21:09:54] | granier21: | release* |
| [21:10:10] | skd5aner: | ok... |
| [21:10:17] | granier21: | like featuring violin: Zimmermann |
| [21:10:32] | skd5aner: | yes, I see |
| [21:11:14] | granier21: | and even using advanced search that get's pretty complicated |
| [21:11:37] | skd5aner: | granier21: actually, it did come up with I searched release Zimmermann |
| [21:11:49] | skd5aner: | 50 Obsession: 6 Sonates, Op.27 / Poème élégiaque / Rêve d'enfant (violin: Frank Peter Zimmermann) Eugène Ysaÿe 18 1 de 1994 album fra / latn |
| [21:11:56] | granier21: | well, maybe that's how I finally found it |
| [21:12:23] | granier21: | but I tried a whole lot of crap b4 the match finally came up |
| [21:12:38] | skd5aner: | I just searched "Zimmermann" in the release |
| [21:13:01] | skd5aner: | a few showed up, with a button that said "show all releases" that came back (22 of them) |
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| [21:13:15] | granier21: | skd5aner: yeah, that's cause I told you to :) |
| [21:13:39] | granier21: | skd5aner: if you didn't have that info you'd be searching all over the place |
| [21:13:40] | skd5aner: | heh, well – true, but wasn't that hard to search zimmermann and find it? |
| [21:13:47] | lapion: | does antyone know if it is possible to use a secondary display for menu and such during tv-playback, or even use it as the may menu display ? |
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| [21:13:55] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [21:13:57] | skd5aner: | granier21: well, I also don't have the disc, so I can only go by the info you tell me |
| [21:14:48] | skd5aner: | granier21: regardless, it's not worth arguing about... I see why it wasn't extremely obvious, but that example didn't seem that difficult to me once I had the information... |
| [21:16:19] | skd5aner: | granier21: if you don't like it, fine... it's /never/ been an issue for me, but I've been using it for 7+ years – the more obscure stuff might take some time – classical artists especially because they're on hundreds of thousands of albums with very similiar titles and different name spellings |
| [21:16:53] | skd5aner: | granier21: no one if forcing you to use CDs for lookup or to enter the CD TOC, but it's nice that you are doing it :) |
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| [21:17:17] | skd5aner: | granier21: best of luck! |
| [21:17:45] | granier21: | skd5aner: yeah, thx |
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| [21:19:49] | skd5aner: | granier21: I hoped I was able to help (at least a little) |
| [21:20:29] | granier21: | skd5aner: yeah, you did |
| [21:20:46] | granier21: | but the workflow could be improved |
| [21:21:15] | granier21: | way too labor-intensive |
| [21:21:23] | skd5aner: | granier21: :) good, thanks... don't hesitate to ping me if you have other thoughts/quesitons... yea, it's not always straight forward, and MB is slow to change it's processes |
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| [21:21:58] | skd5aner: | granier21: only other word of advice – if you get into editing/adding, refer to the style guidelines like it's the bible... |
| [21:22:36] | skd5aner: | lots of "rules" related to format and consistency |
| [21:22:51] | GlemSom: | I've just rescanned all my DVB-C channels, and I'm having problems with a few of then, I'm unable to get a successfull lock on then, and I'm unsure where to debug this... This is what I see in my backend log: http://pastebin.ca/2014202 |
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| [21:31:36] | GlemSom: | Odd... Using LiveTV works – which is using "Quick Tuning"... Setting LiveTV to NOT use quick tuning, that breaks it again... |
| [21:31:47] | GlemSom: | So, some channels ONLY works with quick tuning? :/ |
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| [21:38:08] | Perdignus: | OMG, sorry to throw this out there, completly off topic, but I just have to share it http://tinyurl.com/36ourop |
| [21:38:25] | Perdignus: | and here's the 911 call --> http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/111545229.html |
| [21:39:11] | Perdignus: | Karen Lueders, of Sheboygan, charged with biting husband's tongue off |
| [21:39:55] | wagnerrp: | coulda been worse |
| [21:40:09] | kormoc: | Safe words don't work out too well with tongue play |
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| [21:44:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand how you charge someone with biting off a tongue |
| [21:44:41] | wagnerrp: | for that to happen, surely it had to be consensual |
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| [21:47:58] | skd5aner: | Just cause I stick my tounge in someone's mouth, doesn't mean that it's ok for them to chomp it off :| |
| [21:48:17] | skd5aner: | :| = :P after someone chomped of the emoticon's tounge |
| [21:48:37] | skd5aner: | s/of/off |
| [21:50:09] | wagnerrp: | mmmmph... mmmmmm... mmmmmm.... MMMMMMMMM! |
| [21:50:22] | wagnerrp: | that was fantastic... |
| [21:54:09] | kormoc: | Tongue taco? |
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| [22:08:57] | sphery: | guess I need to commit something to verify the new X-Branch header for my filters |
| [22:12:13] | marc-us: | Howdy sphery |
| [22:12:35] | sphery: | hello |
| [22:14:57] | marc-us: | What is new and exciting? |
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| [22:32:01] | sphery: | heh, for me just mainly getting used to our new git repos |
| [22:32:18] | sphery: | I'm rebuilding my ccache even as we speak |
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| [22:41:01] | marc-us: | Sounds like you're busy |
| [22:41:37] | marc-us: | I never get a chance to rebuild my (cache) cash after I spend it. |
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| [22:54:06] | marc-us: | well, take care and see ya |
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| [23:03:37] | skd5aner: | ha – I used to look at the wiki logs to see which commit I left off on, was easy when it was sequential |
| [23:04:22] | skd5aner: | (add ac5b99d, 66b3573, ff27f87, 641d6e6, 252f801, 5e5908b, d5d1cc1, 26761ab, 55ca0d1, a95968d, 7b59f38, 98a1969, f1b4edc) – not so much :) |
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| [23:04:57] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: is it "safe" to use -commits mailing list yet to see all the commits posted to all repos? |
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| [23:12:18] | Beirdo: | yes, although we have it only showing master and fixes/* right now |
| [23:12:21] | Beirdo: | branch-wise |
| [23:14:23] | sphery: | hmmm... git doesn't track empty dirs, so mythweb/data disappeared |
| [23:14:42] | sphery: | (but mythweb makes it anew, if it has sufficient privileges) |
| [23:17:34] | Beirdo: | that can be easily fixed. drop a .gitignore file in there |
| [23:18:20] | sphery: | I'll leave it up to kormoc to decide if it's worthwhile |
| [23:18:32] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:18:38] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:18:51] | Beirdo: | or a .dummy file :) |
| [23:18:54] | Beirdo: | any file |
| [23:18:55] | kormoc: | how would adding a ignore allow git to check in a empty dir? |
| [23:19:06] | Beirdo: | because the dir is no longer empby |
| [23:19:11] | Beirdo: | empty |
| [23:19:20] | Beirdo: | it contains .gitignore |
| [23:19:21] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:19:27] | kormoc: | ooh, you mean in the data directory |
| [23:19:28] | Beirdo: | .gitignore is a file |
| [23:19:29] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:19:33] | kormoc: | I thought .gitignore was root level only |
| [23:19:58] | kormoc: | is it subtree limited then? |
| [23:19:59] | Beirdo: | no, you can put them at any level, they setup ignores from there and below in the directory tree |
| [23:20:17] | Beirdo: | yeah. the no was to the previous comment ;) |
| [23:21:04] | Beirdo: | basically, it applies the top level ignores, then every .gitignore file in turn as it goes down the tree to the directory in question |
| [23:21:34] | Beirdo: | so the one that takes priority is the one closest (in dir tree) to the location |
| [23:21:44] | Beirdo: | make sense, or am I explaining poorly? :) |
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| [23:27:38] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: you're doing a pretty good job at adapting several of the flash sources for remote control capabilities... pretty fast work :) |
| [23:28:33] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I imagine there will be sources that won't be able to be controlled (or haven't been updated to be controlled) – would it make sense to have some kind of identifier to the end user so they know if that source is remote capable? |
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| [23:36:11] | russell5_: | does anyone have fios and use clear qam channels? |
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| [23:37:55] | pembo13: | can I not use Mythbackend without a tv card? |
| [23:38:55] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, I will probably add a column to the MNV page for those that support remote control |
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| [23:39:26] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: heh – http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /076043.html I love it |
| [23:39:27] | iamlindoro: | But it is early days yet |
| [23:39:57] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, I figured this evolve and a lot of additional support will emerge as the days roll on |
| [23:40:15] | pembo13: | can I use MythVideo without a tv card? |
| [23:41:21] | sphery: | frontends have no need for tv cards, and mythvideo is a frontend plugin |
| [23:41:35] | pembo13: | sphery: the frontend doesn't work without the backend on |
| [23:41:43] | sphery: | however, current MythTV requires that you run a backend /somewhere/ and backends have to have at least one capture device |
| [23:41:45] | skd5aner: | pembo13: kinda, but not really... the currently line is that mythbackend requires a tuner to run, and that's how it's supported – however, there are ways to try and work around that, but they're not directly suppoted |
| [23:41:45] | pembo13: | sphery: the blackend dies without a tv card |
| [23:42:17] | pembo13: | that's an unfortunate dependancy |
| [23:42:28] | sphery: | pembo13: however, if you're not doing the TV thing, you may want to check out some other media center software |
| [23:42:38] | pembo13: | sphery: i will have to do so |
| [23:42:40] | pembo13: | thanks |
| [23:42:53] | sphery: | that said, if you were to get yourself a nice tv capture device, you could then /really/ enjoy MythTV in all its glory |
| [23:43:06] | skd5aner: | pembo13: yup, sphery's advice is right... if you don't want TV, then MythTV isn't the best stand-alone video media center |
| [23:43:07] | sphery: | if you want to force it to work, you can set up a backend with a Demo tuner |
| [23:43:26] | pembo13: | sphery: well tv requires cable, who provide a DVR box, there by rendering my analog card Myttv setup obsolete |
| [23:43:38] | ** sphery has no cable nor DVR box ** | |
| [23:43:51] | pembo13: | sphery: cool |
| [23:44:01] | sphery: | with over-the-air, you don't need cable |
| [23:44:38] | sphery: | if you're saying you already have cable and you got a DVR from them, then the benefit of using MythTV with your cable subscription is that you don't have to use the garbage software on your cable-co-provided DVR |
| [23:45:31] | pembo13: | sphery: what they provde works at least as well as mythtv for my limtied tv viewing |
| [23:45:38] | pembo13: | i just already have the machine and my videos are on it |
| [23:45:40] | sphery: | anyway, your options are mythtv with some sort of capture card defined (such as a demo tuner with one video source with one made-up channel) or something other than mythtv |
| [23:45:54] | pembo13: | sphery: thanks for the info |
| [23:46:10] | sphery: | oh, and No Grabber for the video source |
| [23:46:10] | pembo13: | will try something else, hopefully that will be simpler |
| [23:46:39] | pembo13: | yah, i guess, i won't need to renew my SD membership |
| [23:49:03] | skd5aner: | sphery: heh – this is exactly what we were talking about a few weeks ago – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6948#comment:15 |
| [23:49:50] | skd5aner: | Anyone know if Simon Kenyon hangs out in IRC? |
| [23:50:02] | iamlindoro: | !seen simonkenyon |
| [23:50:03] | MythLogBot: | simonkenyon has not been seen here |
| [23:50:08] | iamlindoro: | hmm, funny |
| [23:50:11] | iamlindoro: | yes, he does |
| [23:50:13] | iamlindoro: | as his name |
| [23:50:24] | iamlindoro: | but apparently not in users |
| [23:50:36] | skd5aner: | hmm, ok – thanks |
| [23:50:38] | iamlindoro: | he's sometimes in theming and in #mythtv |
| [23:51:41] | skd5aner: | !seen simonckenyon |
| [23:51:41] | MythLogBot: | simonckenyon was last seen 13 hours 22 minutes 4 seconds ago |
| [23:51:52] | skd5aner: | good catch! Thanks iamlindoro |
| [23:52:13] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [23:52:54] | sphery: | skd5aner: that was you... was trying to remember who it was who said that happens |
| [23:53:06] | sphery: | skd5aner: any idea when it started? |
| [23:53:24] | skd5aner: | 0.24 upgrade – unfortunately, I didn't track trunk between |
| [23:53:31] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [23:53:39] | sphery: | skd5aner: do you have Avoid conflicts set? |
| [23:53:41] | skd5aner: | can't nail it down to a specific changeset, at least not without trying :) |
| [23:53:58] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [23:54:01] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [23:54:05] | sphery: | so that's completely broken, now |
| [23:54:14] | sphery: | if someone breaks a setting, it's ok to remove that setting, right? |
| [23:54:37] | skd5aner: | isn't breaking a setting just about the same thing as removing it? |
| [23:54:50] | sphery: | anyone else find Android commercials (especially Droid X ones) annoying?' |
| [23:55:07] | sphery: | skd5aner: works for me |
| [23:55:30] | skd5aner: | I do, since I got a Droid 2, and less than 2 months later they replaced it with the Droid 2 Global – with global capabilities and a 1.2 GHz proc instead of the 1.0 I've got :P |
| [23:55:36] | sphery: | er, I mean, "breaking a setting" = "removing it" works for me |
| [23:55:49] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:55:52] | skd5aner: | thanks for clarifying, I was starting to scratch my head a little |
| [23:56:11] | sphery: | does Motorola at least provide updates for your phone, still? |
| [23:56:19] | skd5aner: | ... and I don't mean 2 months after I got it – I mean 2 months after it came out |
| [23:56:27] | sphery: | wow |
| [23:56:45] | sphery: | I started thinking about getting a new phone, but decided it's not worth the money |
| [23:57:01] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, probably will for a long time, since it's the replacement for the original droid which they still update (they just sent an original droid update last night in fact) |
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| [23:57:10] | sphery: | and I have an old Blackberry Pearl 8120 (purchased used for cheap long after it was new) |
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| [23:57:22] | sphery: | cool |
| [23:57:31] | sphery: | some vendors aren't being so nice |
| [23:57:33] | skd5aner: | I had a really crappy old treo 650, it was over 3 years old at the time, running Windows Mobile 5, ugh... |
| [23:57:42] | sphery: | they have some very new phones they basically don't support anymore |
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| [23:58:29] | skd5aner: | I only kept it around because I didn't have to pay the extra $30/mo for a data plan (x2 – since my wife had one too) and I wanted to wait until the third generation of androids came out |
| [23:58:46] | sphery: | I will most likely be buying used phones from now on--I have no interest in buying another Internet service plan, so buying a phone new from the carrier and being forced to buy a data package isn't going to happen |
| [23:58:49] | skd5aner: | I got the Droid 2 and my wife got the Droid X |
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| [23:59:07] | sphery: | you had to get hte data plan, then? |
| [23:59:16] | sphery: | when you got the Droid 2/Droid X |
| [23:59:18] | skd5aner: | Yea – they force you to... |
| [23:59:20] | skd5aner: | (Verizon) |
| [23:59:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:59:23] | skd5aner: | any smartphone |
| [23:59:26] | sphery: | that's why I'm going used |
| [23:59:33] | russell5_: | yeah i never wanted to get the dataplan but i use it a ton now |
| [23:59:50] | skd5aner: | well, my last phone got data, it just went against my minutes... |
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