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| [00:03:07] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: hey, one more quick comment/feedback on the -commit email formats. Any way to make it easier to identify the branch/repo? I know it's in the first line, but unless you look at the subject line/"Home" line + Branch, it's not something that can't be immediately identified |
| [00:03:38] | skd5aner: | not sure I have a suggestion off the top of my head, just looking |
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| [00:09:07] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: you mean move the 'Branch' line a couple lines down? |
| [00:09:45] | Beirdo: | so you mean... you can't read the subject or the body? :) |
| [00:09:55] | Beirdo: | not sure what to suggest then :) |
| [00:11:15] | Beirdo: | the first two lines currently are a perfect identifier of branch and repo, not sure what you'd want better than that off hand |
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| [00:14:30] | Beirdo: | but we'll see once I get to that point :) |
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| [00:15:47] | wagnerrp: | gah... |
| [00:16:01] | wagnerrp: | synergy keeps getting hosed up and locking CTRL down |
| [00:16:13] | wagnerrp: | i start typing, and am just pounding out control keys |
| [00:16:18] | [R]: | i love when a random key is stuck |
| [00:16:22] | [R]: | and it confuses the crap out of me |
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| [00:33:18] | mofu: | [R]: still no luck with my problem after deleting channels and transports/multiplex and do a fresh scan in mythtv-setup |
| [00:33:44] | mofu: | here is a more verbose error dump: http://pastebin.com/Lvs9j8EZ |
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| [01:36:41] | mofu: | Anyone have a tar ball for mythwifi?? |
| [01:37:20] | Beirdo: | what the heck is mythwifi? |
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| [01:38:42] | wagnerrp: | its a tool that plays with the superhet in your digital tuner |
| [01:38:50] | wagnerrp: | to create a modulated 2.4GHz signal |
| [01:39:05] | Beirdo: | hhehe |
| [01:39:09] | wagnerrp: | that you can hook up an antenna to, and use as a wireless AP, when its not otherwise in use capturing video |
| [01:39:23] | ** Beirdo dials the FCC ** | |
| [01:39:48] | Beirdo: | whaaa? |
| [01:39:55] | Beirdo: | a commercial about douches? |
| [01:40:04] | Beirdo: | during Top Gear?! |
| [01:40:12] | mofu: | its is a web based remote app |
| [01:40:20] | Beirdo: | now how many women watch this show? |
| [01:40:22] | mofu: | for tablets/pdas . . . . |
| [01:40:23] | wagnerrp: | so it has nothing to do with wifi |
| [01:40:31] | wagnerrp: | its a complete misnomer |
| [01:40:47] | wagnerrp: | mofu: mythweb is a web-based remote app |
| [01:40:51] | mofu: | I guess the primary target was wifi enabled handhelds |
| [01:43:01] | mofu: | that will work, I NEVER go in thru /mythweb, always /mythweb/listings/tv/list, no real link to it from the listings page |
| [01:49:17] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: so much for this jail manager in python being so much smaller than that in bash |
| [01:49:24] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [01:49:35] | wagnerrp: | i had to duplicate a big chunk of code to read in the devfs (like udev) rules |
| [01:49:36] | Beirdo: | you need to hire a DOC |
| [01:49:49] | wagnerrp: | up to 400 lines now |
| [01:49:49] | Beirdo: | some nice jail guards |
| [01:50:06] | wagnerrp: | from an afternoon project due to being pissed off |
| [01:50:08] | Beirdo: | yikes |
| [01:50:11] | wagnerrp: | why do these things just keep growing |
| [01:50:24] | Beirdo: | because they do :) |
| [01:50:42] | Beirdo: | I'm just now getting to the point of determining how I want to template these emails |
| [01:51:05] | wagnerrp: | its still not working quite right |
| [01:51:21] | mofu: | not having any luck getting this Mythweb Remote working, I enabled Network Remote Control Interface on the frontend |
| [01:51:29] | wagnerrp: | the devfs rules are used for filtering the /dev mounts, to prevent hardware access from inside the jail |
| [01:51:36] | wagnerrp: | except... its filtering too much |
| [01:51:50] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [01:52:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont have any ttys, so i cant start any applications which want them |
| [01:54:26] | wagnerrp: | SpamBayes determined spam probability of 0.00%... thats not good |
| [01:54:38] | wagnerrp: | spam bumped up to a karma of 10 on trac |
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| [01:57:17] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [01:57:28] | Beirdo: | watching Hammond try to drive an F1 car |
| [01:57:43] | wagnerrp: | really.... |
| [01:57:48] | wagnerrp: | hammond is the old guy? |
| [01:57:54] | Beirdo: | yeah... he couldn't get it going |
| [01:58:04] | Beirdo: | no, the young one |
| [01:58:14] | Beirdo: | funny to watch |
| [01:58:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, thats not as amusing |
| [01:58:39] | wagnerrp: | any time the old one drives something open, his cheaks flare out |
| [01:58:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:58:54] | Beirdo: | not with the helmet on, they won't |
| [01:59:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:59:09] | Gibby_2: | Beirdo, that was a good ep |
| [01:59:48] | wagnerrp: | those can go 0–100 in what... 2 seconds? |
| [02:00:04] | Beirdo: | if you can get it to move, likely so |
| [02:00:14] | Beirdo: | he was tripping the stall detector |
| [02:00:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [02:00:29] | wagnerrp: | oh? i didnt think those things had manual clutches |
| [02:00:34] | Beirdo: | they don't |
| [02:00:43] | wagnerrp: | he just wasnt giving it enough power? |
| [02:00:51] | Beirdo: | but if you don't apply enough power to start off, they reengage the clutch |
| [02:00:53] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [02:01:43] | Beirdo: | and he's driving slowly to get any heat into the brakes. hehe |
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| [02:02:38] | Beirdo: | although I bet he's doing infinitely better than I would |
| [02:02:46] | Beirdo: | heck, I wouldn't even fit in the thing |
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| [02:27:57] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: i thought he was driving too slow to keep the warmth in the tires and thats why he kept losing traction |
| [02:28:09] | Beirdo: | and the brakes too |
| [02:28:17] | Beirdo: | he never got them working well either |
| [02:29:52] | Shadow__X: | oh ok i didn't remember that |
| [02:30:13] | Shadow__X: | also on a side note i was finally able to get the win32-packager to work so hurray for that |
| [02:30:29] | Shadow__X: | by work i mean get it working on my machine |
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| [02:52:10] | mofu: | does anyone know what the atsc_major_chan represents?? All of my HD channels are coming in as 1008 . . ?? but they are on three or four different channels |
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| [02:57:35] | mofu: | [R]: know anything about ATSC channels in the database?? atsc_major_chan? |
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| [02:57:59] | [R]: | pretty sure those aren't relavant to tuning, but not positive |
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| [03:26:51] | wagnerrp: | so is trac here to stay? |
| [03:27:03] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [03:27:18] | Beirdo: | personally, I hope not, but we shall see |
| [03:27:54] | wagnerrp: | im just considering installing an email validator |
| [03:28:03] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [03:28:08] | Beirdo: | that's probably worth it |
| [03:28:19] | wagnerrp: | something to require all ticket authors provide an email matching a regex |
| [03:28:27] | Beirdo: | I like that idea :) |
| [03:28:54] | wagnerrp: | http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracTicketValidatorPlugin |
| [03:29:10] | Beirdo: | no idea how long we will use trac, but I'm sure, other than by emergency, it will be for a while |
| [03:29:41] | Beirdo: | I would rather go with jira, but I think we have enough change for the moment, we need to let crap settle :) |
| [03:31:00] | wagnerrp: | i just see absolutely no worth to anonymous tickets |
| [03:31:07] | Beirdo: | me neither |
| [03:31:21] | Beirdo: | I think that they suck |
| [03:31:33] | biffhero: | Beirdo: do you see Jira as the same problem as bitkeeper? I mean, open projects using non-open software? |
| [03:31:40] | Beirdo: | no |
| [03:31:46] | biffhero: | ok |
| [03:32:05] | Beirdo: | they give free license for open source projects, and that's good enough for me, they don't run it for us |
| [03:32:12] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing wrong with non-open software as long as it does everything you need and you can afford the cost |
| [03:32:19] | Beirdo: | exactly |
| [03:32:28] | Beirdo: | bitkeeper's issue was they controlled the data too |
| [03:33:27] | Beirdo: | I like that Atlassian actually actively supports the software |
| [03:34:11] | biffhero: | As long as we get the data, and can export it as well to use later, when the open license goes away. It has been my experience that legacy proprietary software always comes back to bite me. I have even had trouble with the difference between gls and ls on this crazy OSX that work give me. :-) |
| [03:34:26] | biffhero: | Do we get good documentation on the db schema? |
| [03:34:33] | Beirdo: | we don't "get the data", we host their app |
| [03:34:35] | wagnerrp: | only problem is its for 0.11 |
| [03:34:47] | biffhero: | If so, and we run our own DB server, then there's no problem using it later. |
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| [03:36:12] | Beirdo: | they provide an application, not hosting |
| [03:36:17] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [03:36:27] | Beirdo: | I have a first run at my email hook |
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| [03:37:03] | Beirdo: | I will be hardcoding the to address, etc into it for now |
| [03:39:11] | Beirdo: | it will look a LOT like the old messages |
| [03:39:17] | Beirdo: | not identical, but quite close |
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| [03:52:51] | wagnerrp: | well that sure worked well... |
| [03:53:24] | Beirdo: | ?? |
| [03:53:31] | Beirdo: | I haven't installed it yet :) |
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| [03:54:25] | Brad-D: | hi gang |
| [03:57:58] | wagnerrp: | no, the email validator |
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| [03:59:03] | sereal1: | so I was trying to mess around with the mythtv mysql database (I have no mysql experience so I might of messed something up....) and now when I start mythtv it messes my display all weird, and I have to restart |
| [03:59:30] | wagnerrp: | surely you made a database backup before you went messing around with the database |
| [03:59:36] | sereal1: | no. |
| [03:59:40] | sereal1: | i'm just super smart like that |
| [03:59:56] | wagnerrp: | when was the last time you updated? |
| [04:00:13] | sereal1: | the commands I typed were update settings set data = 'default' where value 'theme' |
| [04:00:20] | sereal1: | I just installed mythtv today |
| [04:00:26] | sereal1: | so it's not a big deal if I have to reinstall |
| [04:00:46] | wagnerrp: | no, just dump the database, and create a new one |
| [04:00:56] | wagnerrp: | same instructions you followed when setting it up the first time |
| [04:01:19] | sereal1: | :P I think the installer did it for me. |
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| [04:01:40] | sereal1: | when I apt-get'd it |
| [04:01:55] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [04:02:02] | sereal1: | thanks |
| [04:02:55] | wagnerrp: | that would be after you 'drop database mythconverg;' |
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| [04:05:32] | sereal1: | is the /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql the file I want to use? |
| [04:05:37] | sereal1: | or is that the current database? |
| [04:05:46] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [04:06:04] | wagnerrp: | the current database is where ever your distro told mysql to put it |
| [04:06:18] | wagnerrp: | and will not be a single file |
| [04:06:40] | sereal1: | okay thanks |
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| [04:09:26] | Brad-D3: | hey guys, I have a pretty silly question. But it's defeating me so far. |
| [04:10:05] | Brad-D3: | I'm trying to compile Mythtv 0.24. i'm at the plugins section, and it can't find mythcoreutil.h. I know I have it on my system. How do I pass the location of that to the compiler? |
| [04:10:06] | Brad-D3: | any ideas? |
| [04:11:18] | wagnerrp: | you have installed mythtv core? |
| [04:13:11] | Brad-D3: | no i didn't install it, for some reason i thought it would be a good idea to "make" everything first. lol |
| [04:13:15] | Brad-D3: | i take it that is very bad idea |
| [04:13:54] | wagnerrp: | not a bad idea, just one that wont do anything |
| [04:14:00] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | How would I disable dpms while Mythnetvision is being used as it does when video is being played? |
| [04:14:03] | Brad-D3: | k, installing now, will see if it works |
| [04:14:05] | wagnerrp: | you must install the core before you can compile the plugins |
| [04:16:12] | Brad-D3: | you were right, as always wagnerr |
| [04:16:13] | Brad-D3: | lol |
| [04:16:22] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: seems to work now |
| [04:16:44] | wagnerrp: | we no require a valid syntax'd email to create tickets, or comment on them |
| [04:16:47] | wagnerrp: | now |
| [04:16:55] | Beirdo: | yay! |
| [04:16:59] | Beirdo: | thank you |
| [04:17:45] | wagnerrp: | turns out i had to check off some box in the Admin section before it was actually enabled |
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| [04:18:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:18:31] | wagnerrp: | im downloading various packages to install... is there any where i should be putting these things? or just delete them when im done? |
| [04:19:52] | wagnerrp: | ooh, and ten minutes too late to see if it worked |
| [04:20:05] | wagnerrp: | well... i suppose the sudden lack of spam will show whether it worked or not |
| [04:20:21] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: probably interested in ^^^^ |
| [04:20:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:21:16] | Beirdo: | did I make /opt/archive? Yeah, I did |
| [04:21:59] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [04:22:05] | Beirdo: | hehe, let me fix the perms |
| [04:22:41] | Beirdo: | there |
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| [04:29:20] | wagnerrp: | ticket locking is added back as well |
| [04:29:26] | Beirdo: | nice :) |
| [04:31:52] | wagnerrp: | now to figure out why myth isnt compiling |
| [04:33:19] | sereal1: | where do I add my sources of videos for mythtv? |
| [04:33:30] | sereal1: | like i'm not using any of the recording functions of mythtv |
| [04:34:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv requires you use the recording functions of mythtv |
| [04:34:29] | sereal1: | well I don't care if they are there.... |
| [04:34:33] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will not run without a backend, the backend will not run without a properly configured tuner |
| [04:34:41] | sereal1: | really? |
| [04:34:53] | sereal1: | I thought you could use mythtv just as a media center and no tuner card. |
| [04:34:58] | Shadow__X: | mythtv is designed around being a better dvr |
| [04:35:06] | wagnerrp: | sanity check on the scheduler on backend startup will cause it to close if you dont have any tuners set u |
| [04:35:06] | wagnerrp: | p |
| [04:35:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is for... tv |
| [04:35:34] | Shadow__X: | sereal1: if you just want something to play back videos you should probably look else where |
| [04:35:37] | wagnerrp: | the plugins were always secondary |
| [04:35:51] | wagnerrp: | at least for now, that may change with 0.25 |
| [04:35:51] | sereal1: | ah okay, so maybe mythtv is out of the scope of what I want. |
| [04:36:08] | wagnerrp: | but for now, mythtv is really rather complex to set up if you dont intend to record tv |
| [04:36:49] | sereal1: | " I have no interest in recording TV but I wish to use Myth as a music/video jukebox. Is this possible? Yes. Myth has two plugins called MythMusic and MythVideo which can be used to handle video and audio libraries respectively. You will still have to install both Mythfrontend and Myth Backend, however Myth will work perfectly well without any capture cards installed " |
| [04:36:59] | sereal1: | thats where I got the idea that I would use it as a media player |
| [04:37:05] | wagnerrp: | where is that stated? |
| [04:37:14] | sereal1: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . _possible.3F |
| [04:37:24] | wagnerrp: | it /used/ to run fine |
| [04:37:34] | wagnerrp: | but a sanity check added in 0.24 unintentionally changed thatttt |
| [04:37:45] | sereal1: | ah okay... |
| [04:37:47] | wagnerrp: | however tunerless operation has never technically been supported |
| [04:38:13] | sereal1: | well I guess this journey is over for now |
| [04:38:27] | sereal1: | thanks for the help anyways |
| [04:39:41] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, there is some form of dummy tuner, but ive never used it |
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| [04:41:18] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Why would one want to use DVR software for solely non-DVR function? |
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| [04:43:58] | biffhero: | Because the "Ten foot UI" is so good. |
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| [04:48:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | the master backend used to refuse to start if there were no tuner cards defined for it, but I made a change a while ago to allow it to startup and just issue a warning saying that it would not be used for recording since there were no tuner cards defined. |
| [04:48:38] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: see new commit message format.... |
| [04:48:48] | biffhero: | We want to delete a video from our system. Is "rm ./video.iso" and then do a rescan the appropriate method? |
| [04:49:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | slaves would startup fine without tuner cards. in fact, some people have setup tunerless slaves in order to share out media from a server that wasn't used for recording. |
| [04:49:19] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: as in, something from mythvideo? |
| [04:49:39] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: he already left |
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| [04:49:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah, didn't notice that. :) thx |
| [04:50:28] | wagnerrp: | did you see the discussion about the dvd ripper last night in #mythtv? |
| [04:50:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | I've considered a tunerless master before, but since I also have a HDHR, I just use that from the master. |
| [04:50:45] | biffhero: | [8:49] <wagnerrp> biffhero: as in, something from mythvideo? <<< yes. sorry about that. |
| [04:50:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes, replied to him sometime today. it should be trivial to add the ability to write to a subdir in a storage group. |
| [04:51:00] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: yes, just delete it and then rescan |
| [04:51:09] | biffhero: | wagnerrp: thanks. |
| [04:51:39] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, the thing im more concerned about is balancing |
| [04:51:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, currently we just try to open the file, we expect the dir to be there, but as long as the passed-in filename passes our sanity check, we can just check to see if the dir exists and make it if it doesn't. |
| [04:51:53] | wagnerrp: | if you only have one Videos folder (and most people do), its not a problem |
| [04:52:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | right now we pick the SG dir with the most free space. |
| [04:52:10] | wagnerrp: | but if you have multiple backends, with multiple folders on each backend |
| [04:52:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | and normally only write to the master although you can remotely write to any slave as well. |
| [04:52:38] | wagnerrp: | oh? i thought last i asked about that, the storage scheduler hadnt been tied into proto writes |
| [04:52:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | by directly connecting to it using remotefile, we don't proxy that through the master. |
| [04:53:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | storage scheduler isn't, but we do call "getnextdirmostfree" or whatever it is to get the directory to write to. |
| [04:53:29] | wagnerrp: | ah, ok then, problem solved |
| [04:53:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's inside mythbackend/filetransfer.cpp I believe, but might be in mainserver.cpp |
| [04:53:51] | wagnerrp: | chances are people arent going to be ripping so many DVDs at once as to require anything other than freespace |
| [04:54:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | probably inside mainserver now that I think about it. |
| [04:54:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah. |
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| [04:57:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: is there any way to view of diff on github? |
| [04:57:57] | Beirdo: | diff of what |
| [04:58:04] | wagnerrp: | a commit |
| [04:58:06] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [04:58:10] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [04:58:32] | Beirdo: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8d5c5 . . . 31007ef1b07f |
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| [04:58:36] | Beirdo: | for instance |
| [04:58:49] | Beirdo: | (and yes, you can shorten the sha1) |
| [04:58:49] | wagnerrp: | ah, you have to click on it, and then click on the commit in the top right |
| [04:58:54] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [04:59:08] | wagnerrp: | man this is a bigun |
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| [04:59:45] | wagnerrp: | markk broke freebsd with b60ec2e76b811004b7e767621cb14d7bdc3ef61f |
| [04:59:52] | Beirdo: | oh? |
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| [05:00:42] | Beirdo: | ouch |
| [05:00:53] | Beirdo: | that one's gonna take some work to debug |
| [05:01:57] | wagnerrp: | looks like he broke some code off into libmythtv/fileringbuffer.cpp, and didnt keep the FADVISE ifdefs |
| [05:02:10] | Beirdo: | ah |
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| [05:06:15] | wagnerrp: | and it compiles |
| [05:06:25] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [05:07:08] | Beirdo: | so.. commit emails aren't perfect, but they are a lot better |
| [05:07:30] | Beirdo: | need to munge dates to make them match in format. But I need a break :) |
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| [05:08:52] | wagnerrp: | how do i reference another commit? |
| [05:09:05] | wagnerrp: | with trac/svn, it would just be r<revision> |
| [05:09:11] | wagnerrp: | but in git? |
| [05:10:38] | Beirdo: | I would just use the first 7 characters or so of the sha1 |
| [05:10:47] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [05:11:44] | xris: | I generally select the first N characters (inaccurate at mousing) more than 7 and paste |
| [05:12:13] | Beirdo: | minimum of 7 though (to match what git describe gives) :) |
| [05:12:34] | Beirdo: | I was just trying to quickly find what github uses in autolinking |
| [05:14:51] | Beirdo: | bah, I'm sure I saw it at one point |
| [05:15:13] | wagnerrp: | wait... what did i just do? |
| [05:15:51] | wagnerrp: | i made the change, i added, i committed, i pushed |
| [05:16:06] | wagnerrp: | and... my changes didnt go through but somehow some others i didnt make did? |
| [05:16:39] | Beirdo: | you had a merge commit too |
| [05:17:23] | Beirdo: | yah, your work was in parallel with stuartm's last commit |
| [05:17:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it said there were assorted changes, do a git pull first |
| [05:17:55] | wagnerrp: | so i pulled, and then pushed |
| [05:17:55] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:18:18] | Beirdo: | when you pulled, it merged in his changes, which creates a merge commit |
| [05:18:22] | wagnerrp: | and... stupid git |
| [05:18:27] | Beirdo: | hehehhe |
| [05:18:39] | Beirdo: | who are you calling a "stupid git"? |
| [05:18:53] | Beirdo: | them's fighting words in some areas of teh UK, I bet |
| [05:18:55] | wagnerrp: | git |
| [05:19:11] | wagnerrp: | seriously, i didnt change anything, why does it need to push a change of nothing |
| [05:19:31] | Beirdo: | because your changes were based on an earlier version |
| [05:19:42] | Beirdo: | and it had to merge the resulting branch |
| [05:19:44] | wagnerrp: | in completely unrelated code |
| [05:19:47] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [05:19:55] | Beirdo: | and don't worry about it :) |
| [05:20:23] | wagnerrp: | well it means i did something wrong |
| [05:20:29] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't |
| [05:20:42] | Beirdo: | it means you were working in parallel with someone else |
| [05:21:01] | Beirdo: | if you pulled before you started your change, you probably would have got his though |
| [05:21:16] | Beirdo: | it's not an issue, really :) |
| [05:21:24] | wagnerrp: | looks like unnecessary clutter to me |
| [05:21:36] | Beirdo: | well, that's gonna happen at times |
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| [05:22:21] | Beirdo: | no matter how hard you try... if two or more people are working on the same branch, those mini-branch/merge situations are inevitable |
| [05:22:41] | Beirdo: | in this case, a pull before your changes likely woulda avoided it |
| [05:22:44] | Beirdo: | but not always |
| [05:23:01] | Beirdo: | if you were both about to commit at the same time, it will still happen |
| [05:23:36] | Beirdo: | there are ways around it, but it takes a bit more learning, and we can live with the clutter for now :) |
| [05:23:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:24:08] | Beirdo: | if you really wanna be sure... you can stash your changes, pull, unstash, commit, push |
| [05:24:35] | Beirdo: | but there's still a possibility of it happening due to race conditions basically :) |
| [05:24:58] | Beirdo: | ya get used to it |
| [05:25:16] | Beirdo: | http://github.github.com/github-flavored-markdown/ |
| [05:25:19] | Beirdo: | there it is |
| [05:25:22] | Beirdo: | I knew I'd seen it |
| [05:25:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that shash mumbo jumbo doesnt make sense to me either |
| [05:26:07] | Beirdo: | SHA: blah is autolinked |
| [05:26:38] | Beirdo: | not to worry :) |
| [05:26:51] | Beirdo: | we will see this at times. |
| [05:27:54] | Beirdo: | if you look at the network graph, it's fairly obvious what's going on though |
| [05:28:45] | Beirdo: | heh, we even had some that were 3 simultaneous |
| [05:28:50] | Beirdo: | me, jya, stuartm |
| [05:29:09] | wagnerrp: | so i need to make a local branch, and then push changes in later? |
| [05:29:23] | Beirdo: | you don't have to, no |
| [05:29:35] | Beirdo: | effectively, it does it for you in situations like that |
| [05:30:11] | Beirdo: | as the parent of your commit != the one at HEAD, it merges the two branches back for you |
| [05:30:26] | Beirdo: | it's a lot easier to understand on the network graph, really :) |
| [05:31:22] | Beirdo: | to minimize it, working on a local branch then merging it can help, but you can't control if someone else is going to push when you are about to |
| [05:31:56] | Beirdo: | I'm probably not describing it well. |
| [05:33:07] | Beirdo: | the other way to fix it is the dreaded rebase |
| [05:33:16] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [05:33:20] | Beirdo: | which will cause issues at times :) |
| [05:34:36] | Beirdo: | I expect that when we get going with several people hammering away at things at once, our tree will get really wide graphically at times :) |
| [05:35:03] | Beirdo: | I'd love to see a graphical tree of another similar-sized project |
| [05:35:44] | wagnerrp: | i guess the difference is that svn is sequential, so you have incentive to keep commit count down, and clump together |
| [05:35:52] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt really exist when using git |
| [05:36:11] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's a different way of thinking :) |
| [05:36:31] | Beirdo: | git is designed to get massively parallel |
| [05:36:44] | Beirdo: | as well... it was designed for linux kernel development |
| [05:36:56] | Beirdo: | which is inherently massively parallel :) |
| [05:37:47] | Beirdo: | I remember trying to trace back a tree at work... with several branches to follow |
| [05:37:53] | Beirdo: | that was fun |
| [05:38:51] | Beirdo: | you like the new commit emails, BTW? :) |
| [05:39:33] | wagnerrp: | looks nice |
| [05:39:37] | ** wagnerrp prods skd5aner ** | |
| [05:39:59] | Beirdo: | the date formats are somewhat annoying, but that's straight out of the JSON we get sent |
| [05:40:34] | Beirdo: | it looks like github is in Pacific time |
| [05:41:36] | Beirdo: | oooh, a pull request |
| [05:43:13] | wagnerrp: | ooof... trac validator failed |
| [05:44:44] | wagnerrp: | no it didnt |
| [05:44:56] | wagnerrp: | it got killed, but still left an entry in the spam monitor |
| [05:45:12] | wagnerrp: | score! |
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| [05:55:07] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [05:55:14] | Beirdo: | OK, learned something new. |
| [05:55:44] | Beirdo: | the pull request from mythbuntu (into packaging) pulled in without marking itself as a merge |
| [05:57:27] | Beirdo: | I guess this means on pull requests, we should manually post to the -dev list stating we did a pull request (as I just did) so we don't all get confused at times |
| [05:58:17] | wagnerrp: | as in... 'when did they get commit access'? |
| [05:59:04] | wagnerrp: | your commit mailer didnt work quite right |
| [05:59:26] | Beirdo: | how did it not work right? |
| [05:59:41] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [05:59:56] | wagnerrp: | no author |
| [05:59:58] | Beirdo: | he had no username attached so it said "by"... |
| [06:00:02] | Beirdo: | the author is set |
| [06:00:07] | Beirdo: | but not in the subject |
| [06:00:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:00:12] | wagnerrp: | er yeah, no username |
| [06:00:12] | Beirdo: | good catch |
| [06:00:29] | wagnerrp: | since... there was no username |
| [06:00:45] | Beirdo: | he should map that email to his github account |
| [06:01:02] | Beirdo: | but good point. |
| [06:01:06] | Beirdo: | let me go tweak |
| [06:01:41] | wagnerrp: | he has no github account at all? |
| [06:01:56] | Beirdo: | he does, but I guess he has a different email in there |
| [06:01:57] | wagnerrp: | so a pull request is some built in git feature? |
| [06:07:09] | Beirdo: | it's a github managed feature |
| [06:07:31] | Beirdo: | basically, they set it up to tell you that someone else wants you to pull from them and merge |
| [06:07:44] | Beirdo: | often you'd have to do it by email instead |
| [06:07:57] | Beirdo: | and it allows for discussion, etc. |
| [06:08:20] | Beirdo: | you think we should just put the full name in the subject all the time? |
| [06:08:57] | Beirdo: | or Full Name (username) |
| [06:09:39] | Beirdo: | I kinda like that one |
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| [06:12:03] | Beirdo: | and I guess it's a good time to put the trac hook in? |
| [06:12:08] | Beirdo: | i.e. trac emails. |
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| [06:44:37] | Beirdo: | OK, trac email working |
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| [06:55:31] | Brad-D: | hey guys, i just backed up one of my dvd's to iso. How would I go about playing it? If i just put it in my mythvideo directory, would that work? |
| [06:55:43] | [R]: | yup |
| [06:59:35] | Brad-D: | wow R you are right. that was easy |
| [06:59:36] | Brad-D: | haha |
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| [07:02:56] | [R]: | amazing what happens when you read the documentation |
| [07:03:18] | Brad-D: | yeah you got me there |
| [07:03:21] | Brad-D: | apologies on that one :) |
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| [07:04:17] | Brad-D: | alright off to bed. everyone have a wonderful night |
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| [07:13:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: just how many millions of ebuild setups do we need for MythTV? |
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| [07:20:12] | Dashkal: | Is it possible to get a mythtv backend running on a headless, X-less server box? |
| [07:20:38] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [07:20:49] | Beirdo: | you will need X though (use vnc) |
| [07:21:08] | Dashkal: | mmm, that's a bit saner at least |
| [07:21:14] | Beirdo: | well, Xvnc or Xrdp... or a remote X server |
| [07:21:31] | Beirdo: | you will need an X display somewhere for mythtv-setup though |
| [07:21:47] | Beirdo: | my backend box has no video card installed at all :) |
| [07:21:53] | xris: | yeah. don't need X running. but the libs need to be installed |
| [07:22:01] | Dashkal: | that the only reason? The deps were suggesting I had to have X right there on that box. I'm be perfectly content to just use ssh -X |
| [07:22:06] | Dashkal: | ahh ok |
| [07:22:20] | Beirdo: | ssh -X should suffice for mythtv-setup use |
| [07:22:29] | xris: | Dashkal: I thik there are still a few pieces of the Qt things that require X, even when they shouldn't |
| [07:23:20] | Dashkal: | Having the libs won't hurt anything. It would just be odd to need an actual display device to run this thing when the point is to beam tv to my desktop in the den from a server that just happens to be near the cable outlet. |
| [07:23:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [07:24:10] | Beirdo: | you only neex X display for the current setup of the backend |
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| [07:24:18] | xris: | mythtv-setup needs to run on the box, and for now needs X. but through the magic of X, you don't need to have a local server. |
| [07:24:25] | xris: | so X forwarding, or xvnc, or .... |
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| [07:24:46] | Beirdo: | technically xvnc *is* a local server :) hehe |
| [07:24:50] | Beirdo: | but anyways :) |
| [07:25:09] | Beirdo: | ssh -X should do fine |
| [07:25:32] | Dashkal: | sounds good, lets see how well this works... |
| [07:26:28] | Dashkal: | Gah the full list of deps is terrifying, but I guess I can blame qt for that |
| [07:35:50] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [07:44:23] | Dashkal: | sweet, setup is working great over ssh -X. And fortunately, it supports -geometry. I have dual monitors of different sizes. naieve fullscreen bad |
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| [08:02:07] | sid3windr: | hehe yeah I have the same problem |
| [08:02:14] | sid3windr: | I ssh -X from my windows box, and it has 3 monitors |
| [08:02:24] | sid3windr: | makes mythtv-setup really huge and slow without -geometry ;/ |
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| [09:01:06] | Dashkal: | Using a hauppauge pvr-350. Getting Error: SetInputAndFormat(1, NTSC) while setting format (v4l v2) eno: Device or resouce busy (16). Google didn't help much. Any suggestions? |
| [09:02:21] | Dashkal: | I get that error on the backend when I try to watch tv on the frontend |
| [09:11:52] | Dashkal: | I killed the backend, unloaded then reloaded the ivtv module, and tried again. No more successful, but the error on the backend is entirely different: http://pastebin.ca/2011006 |
| [09:12:10] | Dashkal: | Not seeing anything in the backend error to suggest I missed something in setup, but I may be blind here. |
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| [09:50:16] | Dashkal: | Ok, the card is definitely working. ivtv-tune to a channel, followed by cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works |
| [09:51:39] | Beirdo: | oh, interesting. |
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| [09:52:03] | Beirdo: | this episode of Penguins of Madagascar... no words, only music |
| [09:52:33] | Beirdo: | I think my HDPVR picked the wrong audio channel (or my DirecTV receiver) and got SAP or some crap |
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| [10:10:01] | Dashkal: | Ok, increasing the verbosity didn't really shead any light on this. It's like the client just up and changes it's mind. Just as the stream is started, the backend throws MythEvent: SYSTEM_EVENT CLIENT_DISCONNECTED HOSTNAME <frontend-machind> SENDER <backend-machine> |
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| [10:28:23] | Dashkal: | niiifty. this seems to be related to having frontend and backend on different machines. Running mythfrontend on the backend machine (via ssh -X) actually got somewhere. No video, but hardly a surprise when shared memory doesn't work |
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| [11:12:21] | Dashkal: | Got it! I had to allow the frontend to connect directly to the backend's database. |
| [11:12:59] | Dashkal: | now for round two. getting sound to work |
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| [11:27:32] | jarle: | I checked out mythtv 0.24 fixes branch yesterday, and mythweb 0.24 fixes branch today, still I get "Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=64, backend=63)!!" How do I make sure they are in sync? |
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| [11:39:25] | stuartm: | jarle: have you restarted the backend since updating? |
| [11:39:54] | jarle: | stuartm: yes |
| [11:40:58] | jarle: | stuartm: I updated from 0.23-fixes to 0.24-fixes, and the db was automatically updated, and the new frontend worked just fine... |
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| [11:42:00] | jarle: | stuartm: and as far as I can see there has not been any updates to mythweb in the last day? |
| [11:42:25] | stuartm: | jarle: according to this the protocol version changed back on 27th Nov |
| [11:43:19] | stuartm: | ah, ok in 0.24-fixes it changed on the 1st Dec |
| [11:44:00] | jarle: | stuartm: I might be doing something wrong with git: what I have done is "git clone URL" and "git checkout fixes/0.24 " |
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| [11:44:23] | stuartm: | jarle: not your fault, it's jya's |
| [11:44:50] | jya: | what did I do now ? |
| [11:44:50] | stuartm: | jya: you didn't backport the API change to 0.24-fixes, the commit messages says that you did but it's not in the diff |
| [11:45:07] | stuartm: | s/API/protocol/ |
| [11:45:18] | jya: | must be git's fault :) |
| [11:45:51] | jya: | I haven't changed the protocol version, jut the API should have changed.. |
| [11:45:57] | jya: | did I change the protocol version ???? |
| [11:46:12] | jarle: | while on the subject of git, how do I make sure that I am on the same revision on my two different machines? I haven't found a way to display the revision I'm at? |
| [11:46:35] | stuartm: | jya: hang on then, I must have mis-read |
| [11:47:35] | Dashkal: | Something odd is happening. mythtv seems to be muting the audio on my card somehow. (using a PVR-350). When I reset the drivers (rmmod everything related, modprobe ivtv) then cat /dev/video, the resulting mpg has sound. When using mythtv, I get no sound, and if I do the cat test after, there's no sound in there either. |
| [11:47:49] | jya: | stuartm : https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/bb53a . . . 27cffd51ff41 |
| [11:47:58] | stuartm: | jya: right, very sorry, still getting used to the commit browser in github – it was iamlindoro's commit which introduced the protocol version change |
| [11:48:01] | jya: | so I did bump the API |
| [11:48:17] | jya: | a protocol version changed in 0.24 fixes ? |
| [11:48:24] | jya: | that sucks |
| [11:49:29] | stuartm: | nah it didn't, it changed in trunk only, so jarle – you must have checked out the trunk/master version of mythweb not 0.24-fixes |
| [11:49:55] | stuartm: | jarle: in the mythweb directory, run 'git branch', it should show you which branch you are currently on |
| [11:50:15] | stuartm: | jya, iamlindoro: sorry for the slander ;) |
| [11:50:17] | jya: | ahhhh |
| [11:50:33] | jya: | you got me worried for a moment, I could very well have screwed up |
| [11:50:34] | jarle: | stuartm: there is a star in front of fixes/0.24 |
| [11:51:06] | jarle: | like this: |
| [11:51:08] | jarle: | * fixes/0.24 |
| [11:51:08] | jarle: | master |
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| [11:51:55] | stuartm: | jarle: ok that's odd because the protocol version of mythweb in 0.24-fixes is 63 not 64 – https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/fixes% . . . hBackend.php |
| [11:52:12] | stuartm: | which matches with the backend in 0.24-fixes |
| [11:53:18] | stuartm: | can you manually verify that your copy is saying 64 in that file? |
| [11:53:39] | jarle: | stuartm: static $protocol_version = '64'; |
| [11:54:18] | jarle: | so this seems to be git-related... |
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| [11:55:21] | jya: | stuartm: looking at http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . Setting.html |
| [11:55:31] | jya: | is the search button supposed to work? |
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| [12:01:05] | stuartm: | it should, but I've never used it, it's entirely javascript driven, it might be a bug in my version of DOxygen |
| [12:01:54] | stuartm: | ah no, hmm, it does use some php but it's broken on Daniel's mirror too |
| [12:02:35] | stuartm: | jya: thanks for pointing that out, I'll try and fix it |
| [12:03:09] | jya: | stuartm: I was asking, because I found that other doxygen place, make firefox wants to download a search.php |
| [12:03:15] | jya: | so it's not just your site |
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| [12:06:01] | jarle: | stuartm: any hints on what I might have screwed up in git causing me to have the wrong version of mythweb? |
| [12:07:53] | jya: | jarle: mythweb and mythtv are using different repo now.. did you clone both of them? |
| [12:08:24] | jarle: | jya: yes |
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| [12:08:51] | jarle: | jya: I cloned both, then did a "git checkout fixes/0.24" on both |
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| [12:21:56] | Dashkal: | Odd situation. Freshly reset ivtv driver allows sound when trying cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg. mythtv has no sound, and neither does cat /dev/video > test.mpg after I try mythtv. Suggestions? |
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| [12:22:34] | clever: | Dashkal: check ivtvctl |
| [12:22:46] | clever: | it sounds like mythtv is changing an audio input option |
| [12:23:11] | Dashkal: | I have no such tool. I have "ivtv-ctl", which has different commands from what I've seen on "ivtvctl" in googling |
| [12:23:37] | clever: | it might have been renamed, ive got a fairly old version |
| [12:23:51] | Dashkal: | referring to -q or --set-audio-input? |
| [12:23:56] | Dashkal: | Fixing that had no effect |
| [12:24:45] | clever: | not sure then |
| [12:26:16] | Dashkal: | v4l2-ctl says the input device never changed. It's "Tuner 1" before and after running mythtv |
| [12:26:57] | Dashkal: | Sadly, it doesn't appear to be the obvious stuff like volume or mute either. |
| [12:29:34] | Dashkal: | google is nearly useless with this. I keep getting posts from '04 discussing msp3400-ivtv which no longer exists (seems that naming conflict has been resolved) |
| [12:30:44] | stuartm: | jarle: sorry I don't have a clue, I'm a beginner with git |
| [12:31:22] | stuartm: | jarle: have you tried switching to the master branch and then back again? |
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| [12:47:16] | Anduin: | jarle: mine says 63 for fixes/0.24 |
| [12:49:07] | stuartm: | jarle: trying re-cloning the mythweb repo, I think I see what happened because it just happened to me |
| [12:51:08] | stuartm: | I think you might typed 'git branch fixes/0.24' instead of 'git checkout fixes/0.24' – git won't warn you that you're overwriting the existing branch |
| [12:51:42] | stuartm: | and even when you then type 'checkout fixes/0.24' you get your local overwritten version and not the remote one |
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| [12:53:17] | stuartm: | jarle: alternatively, instead of re-cloning, 'git branch -d fixes/0.24' then run 'git checkout fixes/0.24' |
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| [14:04:54] | sphery: | stuartm: IIRC, you're the one who had ohloh update our repo location... Do you know how we would go about getting http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/MYTHTV/search to do the same? (I'm assuming they also support git, based on http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/GIT/search and my assumption that git development isn't done using SVN.) |
| [14:08:27] | stuartm: | sphery: no clue |
| [14:09:09] | stuartm: | I guess we have to send them an email |
| [14:09:19] | sphery: | hmmm... I'll just use the "send feedback" link to let them know that the repo has been moved to git and the new address... I guess they can then move it if they support it or just get rid of it if not. |
| [14:10:11] | stuartm: | I was able to change Ohloh because I'm registered as an admin for MythTV on Ohloh so I can manage the settings |
| [14:10:40] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [14:10:52] | sphery: | yeah, svnsearch seems very "hands off" |
| [14:11:41] | sphery: | maybe there's more to svnsearch if you create an account and log in, though |
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| [14:16:39] | stuartm: | I can't find a registration page anywhere |
| [14:19:12] | stuartm: | there's a page saying that it's still 'in private beta' and it seems like they are trying to make a business out of it, selling it as a service to commercial outfits. The open source pages are examples |
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| [14:35:15] | ExElNeT: | stuartm: I am still looking for the missing lib which caused this error. Any idea which it might be so I can adjust the ebuild? http://pastebin.com/R7tXVx9d |
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| [14:42:52] | stuartm: | libx11-dev, lib64x11-devel – something like that, you're looking for Xlib.h and friends |
| [14:43:04] | rileyp: | myth0.24 themes you cannot choose display theme eg transparent bluetube etc |
| [14:43:34] | rileyp: | and FF and REw speeds are not shown on screen in graphite?? |
| [14:43:48] | stuartm: | configure should be checking for the X libs and not trying to build with them in they aren't available |
| [14:44:11] | rileyp: | Or am I missing something? |
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| [14:46:39] | ExElNeT: | stuartm: http://pastebin.com/5e40fCQ3 this one is installed... |
| [14:46:53] | ExElNeT: | version 1.3.4 |
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| [14:56:17] | stuartm: | ExElNeT: in that case I don't know what is going wrong |
| [14:56:45] | stuartm: | I can't seem to find where the USING_X11 define is triggered |
| [14:57:30] | stuartm: | wait a minute, you've got the libs but not the headers? |
| [14:57:35] | Anduin: | it is from configure, thrown in early on, it is inconsistent to use the Qt define there and the USING_X11 elsewhere |
| [14:58:51] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: can you query to find what provides Xlib.h, I don't gentoo but equery or something? |
| [15:00:09] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: already did that http://pastebin.com/5e40fCQ3 |
| [15:02:41] | stuartm: | Anduin: that's an issue I was going to raise with Mark, the inconsistency |
| [15:03:45] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: you can look at config.ep, search for Xlib.h and see what the error is |
| [15:04:03] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: Xlib.h exists in one of the locations searched? |
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| [15:07:18] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: my lib exists in: /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h I dont find the place where its defined in config.ep ;/ |
| [15:07:30] | ExElNeT: | or rather the header... |
| [15:08:14] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: config.ep should have the check output, check_lib X11/Xlib.h XQueryExtension -lX11... |
| [15:11:36] | Anduin: | The only reason it wouldn't be there is if your target were one that disables x11 (darwin, mingw it looks like) |
| [15:13:37] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: thats my system: http://pastebin.com/F3LAnTGp I cant find the check_lib command anywhere... ;/ I am not that familar with c++ build management |
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| [15:16:02] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: check_lib and the rest are all in 'configure', in fixes/0.24 line 869, the x11 check is on line 3981 |
| [15:17:24] | Anduin: | config.ep really should have the output of the actual checks though |
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| [15:23:19] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: my config.ep http://pastebin.com/gPZAsZyA I cant find the spot... |
| [15:31:38] | nasa: | Hi, Just got a HDHR to use with my Comcast feed setup. I was able to scan in QAM channels via mythtv-setup, and am now stuck at how to match those channels to schedule direct. I tried using scte65scan — but no VCT_ID showed up. |
| [15:32:22] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: that paste ends abruptly, if you search the file the first occurrence of Xlib.h is the start of the check |
| [15:33:10] | nasa: | BTW: I am in an area where the cursed boxes aren't offered yet... |
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| [15:34:46] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: hmm the paste is the exact same as my config.ep file... :=) So maybe something else is broken? |
| [15:38:22] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: yes, you can see that it ends after the check for cpu_clips_positive, if you look in configure you can see that there is no reason for it to stop there |
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| [15:40:39] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: bah... i was looking in the wrong temp folder... found the file and created paste with a Xlib grep: http://pastebin.com/kwehMYWJ |
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| [15:44:14] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: still not the right bit, the X11 check happens before the XVMC check, just pastebin the whole new file |
| [15:46:05] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: http://pastebin.com/CAdJkpaC here it is.. finally... :=) |
| [15:47:17] | Anduin: | ugh... "--disable-x11"... |
| [15:50:03] | ExElNeT: | well shouldnt it be possible to use the flag? |
| [15:52:04] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: I'll grant that it shouldn't fail this way |
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| [15:58:27] | russell5: | so ubuntu hates me. i did apt-get build-dep mythtv and it still is missing stuff i have to install by hand :( |
| [16:02:26] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: i made this configure option a requirement till it will get fixed upstream.. |
| [16:04:44] | Anduin: | ExElNeT: I'm not sure the position on no X11 for linux builds has changed, the old position was tough, I know for a time gentoo was interested in backend only build options, is that --disable-x11 in the ebuild or something you added? |
| [16:05:44] | stuartm: | ExElNeT: --disable-x11 would only apply on windows and osx platforms, not linux |
| [16:05:45] | ExElNeT: | Anduin: its a usermade ebuild from some other guy anyway... the original gentoo ones have a long to go to support 0.24 |
| [16:06:00] | stuartm: | x11 is not optional for linux |
| [16:06:22] | Anduin: | ah, see, no change in the official position then :) |
| [16:06:22] | ExElNeT: | stuartm: ok, well it might be best to add this to configure |
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| [16:11:56] | wagnerrp: | Anduin: so are you back, or just passing through? |
| [16:13:07] | wagnerrp: | thanks for the ticket lock patch, got that installed again |
| [16:15:41] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: passing through, I doubt my free time is going to increase enough to allow even my old level of minor contributions |
| [16:16:21] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: glad to have kept it, I thought I had put it somewhere on the old server but it was likely my home directory or roots |
| [16:16:51] | wagnerrp: | i think i saw stuart toss it into the repository, so shouldnt be a problem in the future |
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| [16:24:31] | jarle: | stuartm: you were correct in your assumption that my git problem was because I did "git branch fixes/0.24" instead of "git checkout fixes/0.24" |
| [16:25:22] | jarle: | Will I still need to patch mythweb to have it only list favourite channels, or is this now included in the config somewhere? |
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| [16:28:16] | jarle: | I see that the only display favorite channels setting is now working again... |
| [16:28:17] | stuartm: | ExElNeT: we strongly recommend that users build with --enable-proc-opt and nothing else, the default build options are carefully chosen and messing with them is the cause of most broken builds and a fair number of bugs |
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| [16:29:27] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: the new -commit format... it's soooooo much better. Thank you!!!!!! |
| [16:29:28] | clever: | ExElNeT: the backend also cant be build without x11 support, last i checked |
| [16:29:28] | stuartm: | it was recently decided to have configure emphasise that users should not play with args they don't understand |
| [16:30:46] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: did you end up writing that patch to configure? |
| [16:31:23] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: an unintended consequence of the email verifier, seems people who configure a profile with a name and email are not validated |
| [16:31:47] | wagnerrp: | logs show someone tried posting a ticket twice with 'Name <email>' before switching to just email |
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| [16:34:06] | stuartm: | there is an email verifier? |
| [16:34:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, added it last night |
| [16:34:48] | wagnerrp: | requires not-logged-in users use a valid email (checked by regular expression) to open tickets or make comments |
| [16:35:15] | stuartm: | ah :/ |
| [16:35:26] | wagnerrp: | should be fixable... about to test |
| [16:36:15] | stuartm: | spam is still leaking through, they must be trying out some new formats/content from the normal stuff |
| [16:36:31] | wagnerrp: | no its not |
| [16:36:33] | wagnerrp: | not any more |
| [16:36:55] | wagnerrp: | even anything marked as ham by the bayes filer and the blacklist still gets blocked |
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| [16:37:02] | wagnerrp: | since they dont use valid emails |
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| [16:37:42] | wagnerrp: | i may try to see if i can tie this thing into the spam filter |
| [16:37:56] | wagnerrp: | right now, it pops up an error when you try to submit |
| [16:38:15] | jarle: | I'm trying to change Date Formats settings in mythweb (to have 24H clock instead of 12H), however the settings are not saved?? |
| [16:39:19] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ah ok, I was going purely by the logs since the Timeline view is way too slow |
| [16:39:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theyre marked clean, but they never actually go through |
| [16:40:13] | knightr: | jarle, I have the same problem but I thought it was something specific to my pc since I know it works for some... |
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| [16:41:43] | knightr: | it has something to do with MythWeb forgetting the language you use and loading the info over and over again... I was told that authentication needed to be in place but I still have the problem even after doing that... |
| [16:41:49] | jarle: | knightr: I thought the Hour format switch should automatically change the hour format for all the above strings, however it has never worked for me, and I have edited the strings manually, however now it will not save... |
| [16:42:06] | wagnerrp: | any regular expression gurus around? |
| [16:42:48] | jarle: | knightr: I do not have authentication enabled, as I am connecting through vpn when outside of my lan. |
| [16:43:39] | knightr: | jarle, me neither initially since I am not connecting to it remotely but the problem was thought to have something to do with authenticated sessions... |
| [16:44:17] | knightr: | jarle, only way to fix you problem right now (if't that's indeed the problem I have) is to edit the .lang file for your language... |
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| [16:45:03] | knightr: | (only way I know of, I should talk to kormoc or xris about this, maybe they have an idea as to what might be wrong...) |
| [16:45:54] | jarle: | knightr: where is the .lang located? |
| [16:48:54] | knightr: | jarle, unrder the modules/_shared/lang directory IIRC... |
| [16:49:14] | knightr: | (where MythWeb is installed...) |
| [16:49:36] | knightr: | jarle, you have to edit generic_time I believe... |
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| [17:11:45] | jarle: | knightr: actually, just changing the language from english_GB to Norwegian automatically gave the the time format I wanted :) |
| [17:11:51] | kenni: | knightr, in case you figure something out with that problem, there's a ticket in Trac about it, #9315. I'm leaving it for now |
| [17:12:27] | kenni: | jarle, but now everything is in Norwegian? :-P |
| [17:13:07] | knightr: | jarle, kenni should be (in Norwegian) otherwise we have a problem... |
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| [17:15:06] | jarle: | kenni: Norwegain is my motherlanguage so I don't mind :) |
| [17:15:38] | knightr: | jarle, :) |
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| [17:16:47] | knightr: | kenni, I had mentionned the problem to kormoc but was later told by another dev that it worked on his side and was probably a problem specific to my install... I'll had the info I have to the ticket... |
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| [17:22:35] | kenni: | ...stupid freenode servers |
| [17:22:54] | kenni: | jarle, ahh, I thought you were the person who created the ticket |
| [17:23:07] | jarle: | kenni: no :) |
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| [17:25:16] | knightr: | kenni, looks like the person who reported this is Canadian since he uses the Canadian English translation... |
| [17:25:39] | knightr: | (and no, it's not me... :) ) |
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| [17:31:19] | PhoenixWing: | Would anyone know if its possible to set the input audio device in Myth TV? My sound comes in from a different device (Namely the microphone port on my sound card) . Can't seem to find an option for it |
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| [17:44:52] | knightr: | kenni, I'm leave ticket 9315 unassigned for now, I had talked a little to kormoc about it and if he can give me a hint about what the problem might be (I'm not familiar with the OO extensions of PHP and is OK about it I might assign it to myself...) |
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| [17:47:57] | kenni: | knightr, ok |
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| [18:09:35] | pcallycat: | Good morning, Can someone kindly point me to documentation re: upnp and mythvideo? I've googled my arse off. I have recordings showing up on upnp clients, but the videos list is empty |
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| [18:26:18] | Gibby: | pcallycat, do a scan in mythweb... atleast that worked for me |
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| [18:33:49] | pcallycat: | Just tried, before and after the scan all my video files showed up in mythweb, and the front end, but still not the upnp client. I can see the recordings, so I believe that the upnp server portion is functioning correctly |
| [18:34:11] | pcallycat: | I wonder, does the upnp server not read the video storage groups |
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| [18:46:33] | toad_|afk: | is an D510 ATOM board fast enough for myth? previously I had an XP 2800+ which is pretty slow – but I need to be able to play DVDs, and the old system had an nvidia card; the ATOM just has the GPU with no hardware DVD playback acceleration |
| [18:47:41] | toad_|afk: | probably want to go for one with nvidia chipset for a real GPU? |
| [18:48:46] | toad_|afk: | that increases the cost quite a bit though ... any advice? |
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| [18:53:26] | pcallycat: | I'd suppose it depends on if you want to do anything else at all with the unit while playing a dvd. Most cpu's can handle standard def software playback, so long as they don't have to think about anything else at all, but hardware acceleration is a beautiful thing for sure. On some of our widescreen demo machines at work, we don't install movie playback simply because software playback isn't as smooth as one would like all the ti |
| [18:53:26] | pcallycat: | me |
| [18:54:18] | toad_|afk: | well, this is a pure frontend |
| [18:54:50] | toad_|afk: | it will need to play back transcoded mythtv files though |
| [18:54:56] | toad_|afk: | i'm not sure what myth uses by default |
| [18:55:04] | toad_|afk: | probably some mpeg4 variant via ffmpeg |
| [18:55:53] | toad_|afk: | | Video acceleration is limited to MPEG-2 playback |
| [18:55:54] | toad_|afk: | hmmm |
| [18:56:54] | pcallycat: | does the board integrate any graphics chipset at all? |
| [18:57:01] | toad_|afk: | only that which is on the chip |
| [18:57:15] | toad_|afk: | there are nvidia ion-based boards but they cost a lot more |
| [18:57:46] | pcallycat: | which specific board are you looking at? |
| [18:59:10] | pcallycat: | i'd be afraid of anything that doesn't have any kind of dedicated graphics chipset, but that's just me. In a perfect world we could test drive them before purchasing :) |
| [18:59:17] | toad_|afk: | Asus AT5NM10-I |
| [18:59:59] | toad_|afk: | chipset: Intel NM10 Express |
| [19:06:16] | pcallycat: | i guess if you don't already have plans for the pci slot, you can always add an inexpensive card for video acceleration if you need |
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| [19:06:58] | pcallycat: | i'm not sure you'd need it though, but i'm no expert |
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| [19:08:20] | toad_|afk: | assuming the sound output is reasonable |
| [19:08:21] | toad_|afk: | hmmm |
| [19:09:08] | toad_|afk: | i may have a PCI graphics card somewhere but I doubt it does any more accel than the chip itself does ... |
| [19:09:17] | toad_|afk: | what does mythtranscode encode to? |
| [19:10:19] | pcallycat: | don't honestly know, I always store "perfect" copies with no transcoding. I'm a bit obsessive about not losing quality from the original format, especially in a day and age where terrabyte drives are so cheap |
| [19:10:44] | toad_|afk: | that's not so good if you want to store an entire series of Voyager or something :) |
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| [19:13:24] | pcallycat: | yeah, that'd eat some space, I also have a 4 terrabyte raid storage solution on my network though, so, it wouldn't hurt me too badly. |
| [19:14:15] | pcallycat: | i think it transcodes to divx or xvid, not sure which container format |
| [19:16:38] | toad_|afk: | | # A dual Celeron/450MHz is able to view a 480x480 MPEG-4/3300kbps file created on a different system with 30% CPU usage. |
| [19:16:40] | toad_|afk: | hmmm |
| [19:16:43] | toad_|afk: | so there's a good chance? |
| [19:17:02] | ** toad_|afk is guessing a dual core 1.6GHz ATOM probably has comparable performance to one of them? ** | |
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| [19:17:58] | pcallycat: | the atom should scale to some degree better than the celeron would, it's a wimpyish processor, but celeron/450 is pretty old school |
| [19:18:29] | pcallycat: | so, yes, I think it has a good shot. |
| [19:18:30] | toad_|afk: | okay so it's unlikely that HD would work but there's a good chance that SD MPEG-4 would work even in pure software? |
| [19:18:33] | toad_|afk: | hmmm |
| [19:18:37] | pcallycat: | that's correct |
| [19:18:46] | pcallycat: | HD, you'll wish you had a video accelerator |
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| [19:21:19] | toad_|afk: | well, we have the display, but very little is broadcast in HD, one of us (we are four) is 80% blind, and BluRay (both drives and disks) is expensive and hard to get working on linux ... |
| [19:22:23] | stuartm: | toad_|afk: last bit isn't really true at all, my bluray drive just works and playback works just fine for most titles in MythTV |
| [19:22:48] | toad_|afk: | hmmm, last time i looked it was hard to set up |
| [19:23:00] | toad_|afk: | if that's not true anymore then awesome |
| [19:23:04] | pcallycat: | I haven't attempted blueray on my pc as of yet, I still can't bring myself to spend an additional $10 to buy blue ray vs DVD |
| [19:25:09] | pcallycat: | afk a bit, though, I think the key is that pci slot, i don't know your sound setup, or how it would rate on that specific board, but if you don't need the sound card (and in many cases, onboard sound is adequate, especially if you use digital outs), then an expansion video card at a later date is always an option. |
| [19:25:12] | stuartm: | toad_|afk: the ease of bluray playback depends on the age of the disc, encryption is broken for older titles so they will just play in MythTV if you install libaacs (same way you need libdvdcss for DVDs) |
| [19:25:57] | stuartm: | newer bluray requires an extra step e.g. ripping via MakeMKV, so it's not quite as straightforward as DVDs but not difficult at all |
| [19:26:02] | toad_|afk: | ahhh |
| [19:26:12] | stuartm: | the hardware just works in my experience |
| [19:26:13] | toad_|afk: | well yeah if you can rip them and then store the files it works |
| [19:26:27] | ** toad_|afk is surprised that it's so easy to rip on windows considering that it doesn't work at all on linux?!?! ** | |
| [19:26:45] | stuartm: | MakeMKV works on linux and is a one-click type deal |
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| [19:28:19] | stuartm: | commercial – they offer a free trial, and can rip the newer discs because they are working with stolen production keys, they have someone on the inside at a production plant or similar |
| [19:28:35] | toad_|afk: | nice |
| [19:28:48] | ** toad_|afk wonders how they avoid litigation ** | |
| [19:29:42] | toad_|afk: | okay, an asus 1000HE can play 720p ... that's based on N280, which is half a D510, with 950 graphics |
| [19:29:52] | stuartm: | like the other companies in that business they are probably based in a country with no law against it and no extradition treaty |
| [19:30:20] | toad_|afk: | 3100 appears to be based on 950; 3100 definitely doesn't have any hardware playback accel (except possibly for mpeg2); 950 was supposed to but apparently doesn't until 3100 (WTF?!) |
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| [20:05:27] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: therE? |
| [20:05:41] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:05:54] | skd5aner: | Just wanted to say thank you and that I really like the new format... |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | your welcome |
| [20:06:12] | Beirdo: | I tried to make it as close as I could to the old one |
| [20:06:25] | Beirdo: | Familiarity is a good thing and all |
| [20:06:32] | skd5aner: | I know it was going to evolve over time, but the "repository" and "branch" format is crystal clear to me. That's just what I was hoping for when I gave that feedback yesterday |
| [20:06:52] | Beirdo: | still want to make the two dates the same format, but that's right from the data we get from github |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [20:07:08] | skd5aner: | well, I'm not afraid of change – I'm afraid of "overload" :) |
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| [20:08:08] | skd5aner: | can you help explain something to me... |
| [20:08:28] | skd5aner: | what do these "merge" messages mean? |
| [20:08:29] | skd5aner: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /075894.html |
| [20:08:41] | skd5aner: | I see them on occasion, and they include changes, but not the details of the change |
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| [20:12:31] | Beirdo: | look at the network graph on github. makes it easier to understand ;) |
| [20:12:49] | Beirdo: | basically, two people made changes in parallel with the same parent commit |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | when the first one pushes, all is good |
| [20:13:44] | Beirdo: | when the second goes to push, they need to pull the other person's changes, which makes a merge commit, which they then push with their commit |
| [20:13:53] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh, I just made Beirdo explain them to me :) |
| [20:13:56] | Beirdo: | so all future commits have one parent |
| [20:14:45] | skd5aner: | I see (sorta) – so is the "merge" commit almost an additional step? In other words is it that the second persons "intended" commit is then listed as a seperate commit after the merge is made? |
| [20:15:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, the merge happens after their commit though |
| [20:15:30] | skd5aner: | I get what you're saying, I'm just wondering – when the second person commits, where is their commit's description made? |
| [20:15:33] | Beirdo: | it's the one that takes the two mini-branches and combines them |
| [20:15:43] | skd5aner: | ok... gotcha |
| [20:15:50] | Beirdo: | on their commit. the merge is done by git pull |
| [20:16:04] | skd5aner: | I follow, just need to actually need to "see" it to understand what's going on better |
| [20:16:23] | Beirdo: | yeah it's easier when visualized |
| [20:17:31] | skd5aner: | It's that they both were basing their change at a point in time, just that whoever gets there second is no longer basing their change on the "current", and thefore the merge has to happen in order to bring back everything to linear |
| [20:17:40] | Beirdo: | the network graph is a BIG bonus on github |
| [20:17:50] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:17:58] | sphery: | skd5aner: IIUC, see https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/803b474 (one of wagnerrp's merge commits). The actual changes were made in the 2nd parent in the list ( https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8d5c5 . . . 31007ef1b07f by stuartm) , but https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/2dc3349 was wagnerrp's actual changes |
| [20:18:29] | sphery: | so the merge commit is really meaningless--nothing actually changed because of it |
| [20:18:48] | skd5aner: | sphery: k, thanks... yea, that's how I'm starting to understand it |
| [20:18:48] | sphery: | and should be that way most of the time unless there's a conflict, I think |
| [20:19:01] | sphery: | good thing we have Beirdo to learn us |
| [20:19:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:19:11] | skd5aner: | yea – different people working on the same code and committing in conflict |
| [20:19:40] | Beirdo: | then the second person to push... gets a merge conflict (potentially) and has to fix it to continue |
| [20:19:52] | Beirdo: | git mergetool |
| [20:19:54] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:20:10] | Beirdo: | it will use vimdiff and a few others as options |
| [20:20:16] | skd5aner: | alright – good deal – I'm going to try and catch up this week on the release notes, so I appologize a head of time if I ask some bone headed questions while I learn to decrypt the new methodology |
| [20:20:21] | Beirdo: | shows old, combined, new |
| [20:20:29] | Beirdo: | hey, no problem |
| [20:20:32] | sphery: | woah |
| [20:20:39] | sphery: | you can add notes to lines in files |
| [20:21:02] | sphery: | I wonder if I broke it |
| [20:21:05] | Beirdo: | be sure to use the network graph to double-check as some commit messages may not have gone out while switching things around, etc |
| [20:21:13] | Beirdo: | broke what? |
| [20:21:28] | Beirdo: | yeah, github lets you attach comments to diff lines, etc |
| [20:21:39] | sphery: | I accidentally clicked the plus to the left of a line in a commit |
| [20:21:47] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:21:47] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:21:49] | sphery: | it brought up this form to "Add Line Note" |
| [20:21:58] | Beirdo: | a nice feature |
| [20:22:07] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: gotta say (and I'm probably not alone in this), that it was really nice to have a linear r# with SVN... was really easy to tell if something was missed :/ |
| [20:22:09] | sphery: | I clicked "Close Form" and it's got a little balloon with a 0 next to it |
| [20:22:24] | sphery: | ah, there, full refresh and it goes away |
| [20:22:30] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: basically impossible with git (as far as I can tell) |
| [20:22:47] | Beirdo: | yeah, but it's not REALLY linear even then |
| [20:22:53] | sphery: | thought I put an empty note on wagnerrp's commit for everyone to see |
| [20:22:54] | Beirdo: | if you commit across branches |
| [20:23:09] | sphery: | skd5aner: we have a better revision number, now |
| [20:23:10] | skd5aner: | (I mean, without manually going to check) |
| [20:23:16] | Beirdo: | linear with holes per branch |
| [20:23:17] | sphery: | skd5aner: it's linear within a branch |
| [20:23:24] | sphery: | and no holes |
| [20:23:39] | skd5aner: | where are those? |
| [20:23:45] | Beirdo: | the nice thing with git is those sha1 actually are made with the parent's data in it |
| [20:24:32] | Beirdo: | so a sha1 actually indicates a unique commit in the tree, guaranteed, including parent, so the whole tree has built-in error detection, kinda |
| [20:24:52] | skd5aner: | how do you see the new per-branch revision numbers? |
| [20:25:01] | Beirdo: | you mean git describe? |
| [20:25:15] | skd5aner: | I don't know... do I? :) |
| [20:25:27] | Beirdo: | I think that's what he was referring to |
| [20:25:44] | sphery: | and in --version output, now (thanks to Beirdo) |
| [20:25:53] | skd5aner: | I'm referring to whatever you and sphery were referring to related to linear revision numbers? |
| [20:25:57] | Beirdo: | it is based on the last tag, number of commits past that tag, and the beginning of the last commit's sha1 |
| [20:26:13] | skd5aner: | anyway to see that directly on github attached to a commit log? |
| [20:26:17] | Beirdo: | b0.24-388-gffc0865 |
| [20:26:23] | skd5aner: | (or in the hook emails?) |
| [20:26:36] | Beirdo: | no, they just show the sha1 |
| [20:26:53] | Beirdo: | although I will be increading it to 8 or 9 characters |
| [20:26:57] | skd5aner: | How/Where/When is the revision number created then? |
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| [20:27:18] | Beirdo: | that format is from a git command |
| [20:27:30] | Gibby: | so the current release in git is fixes/0.24? |
| [20:27:50] | Beirdo: | that's the old fixes-0.24 |
| [20:27:55] | Beirdo: | the old trunk is now master |
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| [20:28:26] | skd5aner: | Ahh, so – there's no way (currently) to display that revision number unless you are using git to pull the source or have compiled source since the git migration and looked at the --version number? |
| [20:28:38] | Beirdo: | as far as I know |
| [20:28:53] | Beirdo: | although, the tarball downloads use that for file naming too |
| [20:29:08] | skd5aner: | cool, not a huge deal – but if ever feasible it'd be nice to tie that in with the commit data (I would think) – unless perhaps there's a good reason not to do that |
| [20:29:29] | Beirdo: | hard to say. |
| [20:29:35] | Gibby: | old trunk = master which is 0.25? |
| [20:29:36] | skd5aner: | priorities ;) |
| [20:29:36] | Beirdo: | anyways, I need to go eat :) |
| [20:29:53] | skd5aner: | np, thanks for the hand holding |
| [20:29:55] | sphery: | master = unstable development |
| [20:30:02] | sphery: | 0.25 still doesn't exist :) |
| [20:30:02] | Beirdo: | Gibby: there will be on 0.25 for quite some time, but yes, 0.25 will get branched from master eventually |
| [20:30:25] | skd5aner: | trunk = master |
| [20:30:43] | Gibby: | thanks sphery/Beirdo.... how does one put a patch in for fixes/0.24 and master? have do everything twice? |
| [20:30:47] | sphery: | but we should call it "unstable development" so it's clear what it means :) |
| [20:30:49] | Beirdo: | trunk was directly imported to become master |
| [20:31:02] | sphery: | i.e. before we called things trunk, and many users didn't understand the implications |
| [20:31:15] | Beirdo: | Gibby: essentially, yes, or you can ask for us to backport it |
| [20:31:18] | sphery: | TTBOMK, we're trying to do away with VCS-specific naming so it's clear |
| [20:31:21] | Beirdo: | cherry-pick is our friend |
| [20:32:13] | Gibby: | soooo for backport... i could put it in master then ask for it to be backported to fixes/0.24 in the pull request? |
| [20:33:05] | Beirdo: | well, if it's just one commit, then that would likely work well |
| [20:33:30] | Beirdo: | if it's a bunch, you should probably stage it on both branches, and do two pull requests |
| [20:33:40] | ** Gibby goes to attempt Git pull requests again ** | |
| [20:33:47] | Gibby: | Beirdo: makes sense if it is alot thanks |
| [20:34:13] | Beirdo: | I doubt too many of us would mind cherry-picking a single merged commit over to the other branch |
| [20:34:28] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:34:40] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'll be back in a while |
| [20:34:58] | Beirdo: | be sure to have your user.name and user.email set sanely, BTW :) |
| [20:35:20] | Beirdo: | now. food |
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| [21:07:11] | stuartm: | hmm, all branches must be up to date before I can push changes from master? |
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| [21:12:16] | stuartm: | oh, that's somehow worse, it pushed the changes but told me that they'd been rejected |
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| [21:39:37] | [R]: | iamlindoro: you there |
| [21:39:40] | [R]: | ? |
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| [22:15:59] | xris: | carmony_: what do you mean by "custom dvr"? |
| [22:16:43] | carmony_: | meaning, if I wanted to make my own dvr box |
| [22:18:37] | carmony_: | I've read that most tv tuner cards for PCs will not work with encrypted channels from Comcast |
| [22:19:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...then buy yourself an Hauppauge 1212 or two. |
| [22:19:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | Then everything becomes "copy freely". |
| [22:19:54] | carmony_: | ok, I just wanted to make sure before I go dropping money on stuff, I couldn't get it to work |
| [22:20:02] | carmony_: | will it require me to get a cablecard from comcast? |
| [22:20:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | the 1212 is not a cable card solution. |
| [22:20:32] | carmony_: | oh, ok |
| [22:20:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's analog capture in HD. It's like old schoo Tivo but in high definition. |
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| [22:24:55] | Dashkal: | ok, note to self, don't close irc so the right channel stays open |
| [22:25:02] | Dashkal: | Having an issue with audio. Running a PVR-350 using the ivtv drivers. As soon as the tuner changes channels, audio stops working. So if I test with cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg, I get sound, right up until I start mythtv or even change channels via ivtv-tune. Any suggestions? |
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| [22:26:02] | Beirdo: | hmm, the girl cop on Dexter sure likes to swear |
| [22:26:11] | Beirdo: | Dexter's sister? |
| [22:27:08] | carmony_: | ok, so with this Hauppauge 1212, can it control my Comcast BoxTop to change the channels and such, so it can auto record different shows? |
| [22:27:11] | sphery: | Dashkal: you've likely set invalid audio settings in one (or 4) of MythTV's recording profiles |
| [22:27:30] | sphery: | Dashkal: make sure you use 48kHz audio |
| [22:28:02] | sphery: | carmony_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [22:28:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | use an IR blaster to control the cable box. (just like old school tivo) |
| [22:28:34] | Dashkal: | sphery: I'm able to reproduce this without even invoking mythtv. ivtv-tune -c <anything> also causes audio to cut |
| [22:29:03] | Dashkal: | at it stays cut until I reset the ivtv kernel module (unload, reload) |
| [22:29:29] | sphery: | Gibby: if you're looking to ask him about the palette, all he did was give the proper name for the palette the patch was adding--he didn't say it was right or wrong. As has been said before, that's up to Paul H (and his knowledge/understanding of ZoneMinder) to decide. :) |
| [22:29:37] | sphery: | where him = j-rod |
| [22:30:05] | russell5: | does anyone know anything about the hauppauge 2250 |
| [22:30:13] | sphery: | Dashkal: not sure what it might be, then |
| [22:31:09] | [R]: | russell5: its a tuner? |
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| [22:31:32] | russell5: | yeah i was looking to get one |
| [22:31:36] | [R]: | and... |
| [22:32:13] | Gibby: | sphery: i know... i just wanted to chat with him on why he thought that... i agree that is not 16 bit but only 8 and 24... |
| [22:32:22] | russell5: | their site says you need a mpeg hardware decoder. does that mean it doesn't do on board mpeg 2 decoding |
| [22:32:48] | [R]: | check if there is any info on the myth wiki or the linuxtv wiki |
| [22:33:01] | [R]: | russell5: tuners dont do mpeg decoding |
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| [22:33:43] | russell5: | looked at mythtv wiki forgot to check linuxtv |
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| [22:34:39] | Beirdo: | OK, off to work on the bot |
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| [22:43:07] | russell5: | thats for the tip i am going to buy it even though it seems getting analog to work might be a challenge but i have a 150 i can use in conjunction |
| [22:45:14] | ** awalls wonders if Beirdo is building Cylons ** | |
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| [22:47:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:48:00] | awalls: | Sorry. I just starting watching BSG via netflix |
| [22:48:01] | Beirdo: | no, adding !svn as a new command that would return the git sha1 |
| [22:48:16] | awalls: | ? svn != git ;) |
| [22:51:04] | Beirdo: | umm, our repo just transitioned |
| [22:51:25] | Beirdo: | and each SVN version has corresponding git versions |
| [22:53:13] | [R]: | Beirdo: are tickets going to be tied to git commits? |
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| [22:53:57] | Beirdo: | it's supposed to do that, yes |
| [22:54:09] | Beirdo: | it's borked (the github plugin for trac) |
| [22:54:30] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
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| [22:57:11] | awalls: | Beirdo: ah. I see. |
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| [23:01:30] | wagnerrp: | russell5: the 2250 has two hardware mpeg2 encoders, and those encoders can be used in both linux and mythtv |
| [23:02:01] | wagnerrp: | the only tuner that ever did mpeg2 DECODING was the PVR-350 |
| [23:02:09] | wagnerrp: | and you dont want to use one of those anyway |
| [23:02:16] | wagnerrp: | it only ever supported standard definition output |
| [23:02:26] | wagnerrp: | with a crummy UI to boot |
| [23:02:26] | russell5: | thanks. i want this card to hook up my fios cable box and a cable out of the wall (clear qam) |
| [23:02:49] | russell5: | but i dont know if it will work with the cable box because what i am reading analog doesn't work |
| [23:02:57] | wagnerrp: | use the tuner input for the cable out of the wall (clear qam), and the the video inputs for two cable boxes |
| [23:03:09] | wagnerrp: | you will need a daughter card for the second video input |
| [23:03:10] | Dashkal: | hmm, google finally turns up something useful. I see a pending patch for kernel 2.6.36 regarding a mute issue with the driver for the sound chip on the pvr-350 |
| [23:03:56] | wagnerrp: | russell5: analog support for that card was released publicly back in july (june?) |
| [23:04:09] | russell5: | only one box so i would only use one input. |
| [23:04:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe those updated drivers have hit the kernel yet |
| [23:04:18] | russell5: | cool last thing i read was may so that would make sense |
| [23:04:42] | wagnerrp: | note that you cannot use the tuner and video capture input simultaneously |
| [23:04:54] | wagnerrp: | that card will appear as two digital tuners, and two analog inputs |
| [23:05:10] | wagnerrp: | you will need to add the first digital tuner, and first analog input, to an input group |
| [23:05:16] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv knows they cannot be used simultaneously |
| [23:05:22] | russell5: | mmmm so i can record of clear qam and watch cable box |
| [23:05:35] | russell5: | cant^ |
| [23:05:43] | wagnerrp: | similarly, if you hook up a daughter card to use with a second cable box |
| [23:05:56] | wagnerrp: | the second digital tuner, and second analog input, cannot be used simultaneously |
| [23:06:11] | wagnerrp: | however you CAN use the first analog input, and second digital tuner, simultaneously |
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| [23:07:05] | russell5: | mmm i might look for a different card then. |
| [23:07:09] | russell5: | thanks |
| [23:07:43] | russell5: | i think that one it to much for me |
| [23:07:51] | wagnerrp: | if you want analog support, an old PVR150/500, or a new HVR-1600 or -2250, are your only options |
| [23:08:03] | wagnerrp: | you should not even consider something that does not have an mpeg encoder |
| [23:08:16] | russell5: | i have two old 150s |
| [23:08:48] | russell5: | but i get limited channels with clear qam so im not sure i want to spend that much on the 2250 |
| [23:08:51] | [R]: | wagnerrp: do you use a minimal wm? |
| [23:09:36] | wagnerrp: | evilwm, i think |
| [23:09:56] | [R]: | hrm |
| [23:09:59] | [R]: | i think i tried that one |
| [23:10:08] | [R]: | i tried 2, and 1 gave font errors... i think that was it |
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| [23:11:21] | russell5: | i dont know if i need analog i am just assuming my sd cable box outputs analog |
| [23:11:33] | wagnerrp: | russell5: for a dual tuner, and dual mpeg encoder, the 2250 really isnt that bad |
| [23:11:44] | wagnerrp: | and to be honest, most of what i record is off the locals anyway |
| [23:11:56] | wagnerrp: | which /must/ be carried unencrypted |
| [23:12:09] | russell5: | yeah same here. |
| [23:12:22] | russell5: | i guess i can just use my 150 for my cable box. |
| [23:12:25] | fedorared: | Modern DTVs should tell you what's digital and what's analog |
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| [23:12:55] | russell5: | does the internal splitter work on the 2250? |
| [23:13:12] | wagnerrp: | russell5: how would it not work? |
| [23:13:33] | russell5: | i figured it was a driver thing so it might not. |
| [23:13:45] | sphery: | as I mentioned (and asked you to put in the comment in the ticket), he got the palette name VIDEO_PALETTE_RGB565 , as defined in include/linux/videodev.h |
| [23:13:49] | sphery: | Gibby: ^^^ |
| [23:14:07] | sphery: | not from zoneminder |
| [23:14:19] | wagnerrp: | how can you split an antenna feed in software? |
| [23:14:32] | awalls: | Dashkal: yeah an audio regression crept into 2.6.36 a fix should have gone to 2.6.36 stable, so hopefully the distros pick it up |
| [23:14:34] | sphery: | Gibby: but from comparing that patch's definition with the V4L defs |
| [23:14:43] | russell5: | that makes sense i guess i didnt think it through |
| [23:14:55] | Gibby: | sphery: yes I know, I am just wondering how he came to that conclusion |
| [23:14:55] | wagnerrp: | there is a HARDWARE amplifier and splitter in the 2250 |
| [23:15:01] | Dashkal: | awalls: I'm checking now to see if arch picked it up. If so, then this isn't it. If arch didn't pick it up, I'm about to recompile with it and see if that works. |
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| [23:15:03] | wagnerrp: | however you are correct that it is controlled by the drivers |
| [23:15:20] | wagnerrp: | and early on in the 2250 drivers, there were issues with the LNA not being enabled, resulting in very poor signal strength |
| [23:15:42] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, that has been sorted out long ago |
| [23:16:14] | russell5: | cool cuz that would be an added bonus. |
| [23:16:36] | wagnerrp: | its less of an added bonus, as a 'the card doesnt work without it' |
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| [23:18:53] | russell5: | yeah. thanks i think im going to order it. |
| [23:20:07] | sphery: | Gibby: because in /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/include/linux/videodev.h , VIDEO_PALETTE_RGB565 is defined as 3, and in the #8182 patch, MP_XXX was defined as 3 |
| [23:20:45] | sphery: | Gibby: compare to VIDEO_PALETTE_GREY = 1 and VIDEO_PALETTE_RGB24 = 4 |
| [23:21:06] | russell5: | wagnerrp, do you have the remote for it? |
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| [23:21:12] | Gibby: | sphery, got it thanks! |
| [23:21:18] | sphery: | y/w |
| [23:21:57] | wagnerrp: | remote for.. that tuner card? i dont have a 2250 |
| [23:22:12] | Dashkal: | Jackpot. My kernel does not appear to have that patch applied |
| [23:22:33] | russell5: | oh sorry thought you did. was just trying to figure out if its worth the more money |
| [23:22:33] | sphery: | Gibby: so, this feedback is the perfect challenge for you to go out there and do some research and figure out what's /really/ happening and post the explanation (and/or a patch that fixes the real problem instead of patching the symptom) :) |
| [23:22:34] | Gibby: | i think it should be coming from /include/linux/videodev2.h tho... |
| [23:23:09] | wagnerrp: | whoops... |
| [23:23:17] | sphery: | Gibby: yeah, but from what Paul said, monitor palette makes no difference to how the video is passed internally through ZM (or something like that) |
| [23:23:22] | wagnerrp: | tommy alander managed to mark a ticket as assigned |
| [23:23:32] | sphery: | except from the standpoint of whether it's color or b&w |
| [23:23:46] | sphery: | so gotta figure out what's really happening |
| [23:24:05] | sphery: | which may actually be easier now that you know one approach that actually succeeds at patching the symptom of the problem |
| [23:24:44] | Gibby: | I don't think it is even the VIDEO_PALETTE option causing the issue, it is the order of the colors... |
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| [23:25:14] | sphery: | Gibby: right, exactly |
| [23:28:52] | awalls: | Dashkal: And if you have any PVR-150's or PVR-500's your kernel doesn't have this one either: https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/12/5/142 |
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| [23:38:42] | wagnerrp: | we dont support webm do we? |
| [23:48:00] | jya: | I didn't know you could configure the audio output in mythbackend... |
| [23:48:26] | jya: | always awesome when your code got a life on its own, and spread itself to other parts of the system |
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| [23:58:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has become a ghost in the machine |
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