Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, December 4th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

seems fine

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momelod:

what else could it be?

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momelod:

im using a diskless frontend if that makes any difference?

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt

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momelod:

any way to see if vdpau is enabled ?

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momelod:

from the cli?

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wagnerrp:

xdpyinfo

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kormoc:

Are you sure it's a ion platform and not just an atom cpu?

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kormoc:

never mind, /dev/nvidia0 tends to be authoritative

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dustybin:

everything is done, i have explored the open-source world, i know what i like, its time to develop some 4:3 themes

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momelod:

sorry if this is a dumb question. but is hdmi required? im currently connected to to dvi

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kormoc:

no, hdmi is not required

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sphery:

just got a spam SMS

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sphery:

fun--I get to pay to receive spam

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kormoc:

Yeah, love that

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sphery:

wish the carrier had a number I could forward the text to for credit

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sphery:

granted, I get 400 texts/mo, so this might just come out of my unused ones--but if keeps up...

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dustybin:

is the new MythUI still being developed?

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momelod:

http://pastebin.com/VfuV7fNu

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momelod:

that's the error in frontend

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kormoc:

momelod, -v playback

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sphery:

looks like a) invalid audio configuration in mythtv and b) improperly installed video drivers

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momelod:

kormoc, -v ?

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kormoc:

mythfrontend -v playback

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iamlindoro:

looks like Myth wasn't compiled with VDPAU support/missing vdpau libraries to me

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sphery:

momelod: I'm assuming you actually have an nvidia GPU that supports vdpau--otherwise you need to select a different playback profile group

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kormoc:

increases verbosity of the output related specifically to playback

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kormoc:

the startup should display a bunch of info about playback profiles and what nots

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momelod:

sphery: vVidia Corp GT218 [ION] (rev a2)

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** dustybin reads http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development **

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momelod:

http://pastebin.com/8pTGkib6 (w/ -v playback)

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sphery:

momelod: yeah, sounds like iamlindoro may be right... you may be missing libvdpau (which may have been uninstalled when you installed the nvidia driver)

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sphery:

so even if your package manager says you have it, you may not

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sphery:

verify all files in the package before assuming you do

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iamlindoro:

Fireplace_NLsubs_WVC1_1080p/Fireplace.NLsubs.WVC1.1080p-VisualScumBagz.wm

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iamlindoro:

Couldn't find *one* file that wasnt' stolen to test, huh

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sphery:

heh, didn't notice that part

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momelod:

not in 1080p unfortunately ..

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sphery:

well, I'm not helping debug your stolen video problems

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** sphery out **

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iamlindoro:

nor I

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momelod:

my apologies, i have no intension of using that for any monitory gain, only for testing.

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iamlindoro:

You already gained monetarily

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momelod:

how so?

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iamlindoro:

You didn't buy it-- saving you the cost of the item

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sphery:

while still allowing you to see it

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iamlindoro:

The circuitous thinking people will employ to justify THEFT astonishes me

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momelod:

very well, i will delete it imediatly. i did try to search for free sample 1080p video but wasnt sucessful

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iamlindoro:

sure

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sphery:

http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/

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** dustybin steals iamlindoro intelligence **

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iamlindoro:

No, let's me more direct

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iamlindoro:

!url lmgtfy free sample 1080p video

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=free%20sample%201080p%20video

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iamlindoro:

There's the *exact* thing you claimed to have done

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iamlindoro:

Where the FIRST RESULT is free sample 1080p video

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** wagnerrp suggests iamlindoro station a heavy outside the base **

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** wagnerrp wonders if anyone else plays TF[C2] to get that reference **

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Now why would you be silly when I'm putting my banning gloves on?

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sphery:

http://www.elephantsdream.org/ is the other one I know

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iamlindoro:

Of course, switching to legit content NOW won't get me to help anyone

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momelod:

thanks, ill download those now.

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sphery:

of course, you can also buy those to support the development

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: you will like me once i start contributing :D

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sphery:

or donate

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** kormoc eyes dustybin **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, So that poor, design-retarded open source projects can afford to hire proper design professionals to save them?

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

I seem to recall you claiming for *years* now that you'll contribute any day now

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dustybin:

im exploring is finished, i have now have a open space

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dustybin:

im from a artwork background so mythtv themes makes sense, i dont have coding skills

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sphery:

iamlindoro: FWIW, I see themes as being like houses. If you make it fancy, when you go to sell the house, people notice the fancy--then they notice the things they don't like. If you make it neutral and boring, they don't see anything they dislike, so they think they like it.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Metaphor falls apart when you're trying to give the house away

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sphery:

the fact that people see Arclight well enough to complain means that your theme is not neutral and boring... :)

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dustybin:

mythtv could still do with some new themes IMO

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sphery:

but you're giving it away for them to "live in"--and now they think, "well, I want to change this, but I have to undo all that fancy, first--it would be easier if it were plain and boring, then I'd just make my changes"

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sphery:

yes, we need new themes

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sphery:

and new themers

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dustybin:

indeed, and not forgetting 4:3 themes

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sphery:

unfortunately, too many people are out there looking for instant gratification--doing stuff like illegally downloading stolen copies of movies--rather than committing to do some work

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** momelod is ashamed **

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sphery:

"why should I go to the trouble when I can be lazy and let someone else do it for me"

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kormoc:

"Why should I go to the trouble when I can be lazy and abrasive and make someone else do it for me"

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sphery:

plus, when you look at all the grief iamlindoro took over the themes he's made, prospective themers probably decide that it's not worth it

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dustybin:

why should i take free advice and software over 5 years and give nothing back

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sphery:

same for justinh

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kormoc:

it's why I plan to blame "Joseph Snizer <J.Snizer@gmail.com >" for any that I might do

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kormoc:

Ooh, you're unhappy with the theme? Go tell Joseph, I'm sure he'll love to know your opinion

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kormoc:

and now I'll have to create a new fake name and email, whoops

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I like how dustybin's number of years using myth is increased every time he decides to talk about it

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sphery:

all our themers should get pen names

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i first started with linux when debian sarge was released, not long after i installed mythtv

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sphery:

with an e-mail account on mythtv.org that goes directly to /dev/null

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dustybin:

before the linux days i was a dedicated electronic musician using cubase

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sphery:

anyway, FWIW, /I/ love Arclight, and I /very/ much appreciate the work iamlindoro did on it :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Then you get a copy of the special Arclight-FINAL.tar.gz

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iamlindoro:

commemorative edition

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sphery:

ooh, is that the one where you get to see the real background instead of the corrupt one?

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awalls:

Signed by the artist?

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kormoc:

Arclight++

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iamlindoro:

yes, and individually numbered

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sphery:

awalls: no, that's Arclight-FINAL.tar.gz.asc

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sphery:

hehe

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awalls:

Heh

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sphery:

geek joke

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dustybin:

im attracted to clean interfaces with no cheese, i was a fan of the retro theme

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iamlindoro:

I'll include an NFO file

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iamlindoro:

like the files our users like

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sphery:

wasn't there a theme that /had/ cheese

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kormoc:

and are familiar with

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sphery:

like cultured dairy products...

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dustybin:

logically, everybody has different tastes

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awalls:

Moon.google.com had cheese at the highest zoom level

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sphery:

wait, looks like Ubuntu has some cheese theme or something

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sphery:

awalls: yeah, I was so upset when they removed that

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awalls:

Bummer..

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dustybin:

i think the first trick is a working colour scheme

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kormoc:

all our themes are black and white?

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kormoc:

ooh, schema, not theme

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sphery:

only way I can get a working color scheme is with /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/scheme.vim

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** sphery has no artistic talent **

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dustybin:

im not a fan of images in themes, icons look much nicer

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** kormoc blinks **

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dustybin:

and fonts are important

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kormoc:

Icons are images...

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dustybin:

i mean a real image scan of CDs etc

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sphery:

methinks he means photo-realistic

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kormoc:

scanning a physical object that is not 2d is not doing it right

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kormoc:

http://colorschemedesigner.com/ <-- for your color scheme needs

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sphery:

as anyone who knows UI heaven would tell you--you must use real photos

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sphery:

that's how X**C does it

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sphery:

complete with dust in the buttons in the photos

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dustybin:

ace :D

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sphery:

and everyone knows that X**C is beautiful and MythTV is ugly

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dustybin:

people will think different if they saw the code :D

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sphery:

heh

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dustybin:

logically, linux coders are not art people

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sphery:

I don't think that's a fair generalization

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dustybin:

hmmm maybe

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sphery:

I'll admit it describes me, but, others...

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dustybin:

good colour scheme, a good font pick, a nice clean layout, good quality icons and nice execution

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dustybin:

no cheesy images

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sphery:

and knowledge that no matter how great it is, someone will complain :)

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dustybin:

well that doesnt matter, that will always happen

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dustybin:

if something is clean and tidy, there isnt anything to dislike

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Can you please save the sage artistic wisdom until *after* you've actually produced anything of value?

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i have completed my tour of the open-source world, you will have to see

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iamlindoro:

I'd rather see than hear, please

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

if i dont produce anything in within the next 6 months you have the right to ban me

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iamlindoro:

You heard it here first, folks

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dustybin:

i dont have much else to do now

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dustybin:

and it will also look good on my resume :D

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dustybin:

(but im not doing it for that)

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** dustybin feels guilty **

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** kormoc registers CountdownToBanDustybin.com **

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ooh... loophole... he said anything, not anything of value

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** awalls wonders if themes really belong on a resume or in a portfolio instead **

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dustybin:

6 months, if nothing is produced by me, ban me

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kormoc:

awalls, now you're just bringing professionalism into the mix!

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awalls:

Sorry my parents are both artists

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dustybin:

awalls: or portfolio of course, i dont see nothing wrong with that

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kormoc:

I don't see nothing wrong with that sentence

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dustybin:

you guys are too intelligent for me lol

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dustybin:

let the thickos get on with the artwork :P

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dustybin:

i will launch my theme here: http://wizbox.net/

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dustybin:

i will create a special theme section

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dustybin:

what will the exact date be 6 months from now?

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kormoc:

June 3rd, 2010

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kormoc:

2011

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dustybin:

aye, make a note

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dustybin:

pressure is good

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high-rez:

So is beer.

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high-rez:

Drink enough beer and you won't notice the pressure.

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dustybin:

my boss gives me pressure and i produce lots, so i need to create my own pressure

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dustybin:

when i viewed the Child theme i felt quite said, something needs to be done

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dustybin:

*sad

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dustybin:

MythTV code is excellent

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iamlindoro:

excuse you?

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iamlindoro:

That author of that theme has done a pantload more than you ever have

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: thats my opinion, not everyones

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iamlindoro:

so I strongly suggest shutting your mouth before I shut it for you

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iamlindoro:

Please. Say one more word.

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iamlindoro:

Because I don't feel inclined to wait until June

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sphery:

I love the childish theme

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dustybin:

thats my opinion only, im sure people like different things

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Tell me about your opinion one more time and you are gone

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iamlindoro:

shut

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iamlindoro:

your

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iamlindoro:

mouth

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dustybin:

ok i do listen to you

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dustybin:

sorry

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dustybin:

it came across rude, didnt mean it

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iamlindoro:

Does anyone else feel like this is a case of "One more word and you're in trouble." "OK."

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: if everybody said everything was good all the time, nothing would move forward

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, If you shut your fat face and did somthing instead of talking about it, it'd move forward a lot faster, now wouldn't it?

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i honestly will

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iamlindoro:

Spend less time worrying about other people's work and start worryign abot your own

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dustybin:

true

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dustybin:

i totally respect that people put a lot of effort into things like that, totally, thats why i need to give back. If people hate my stuff i wont be offended at all

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dustybin:

but action speaks louder than words

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dustybin:

you only learn from negative criticism, listen to the mythtv users and see what they think

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jya:

castlec: I wrote this page.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Audio_Framework

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jya:

let me know if you have issue with it

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dustybin:

jya: aye you contributed :D

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jya:

dustybin: I would hope that the level of my contributions is greater than just that wiki page !

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dustybin:

well you done more than me

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jya:

how do I add a page to a given category

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iamlindoro:

jya, [Category: categoryname] on the page in question

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jya:

iamlindoro: thanks

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jya:

iamlindoro: I pushed the branch for the audio test bit, temp/newaudiosetup

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jya:

if you want to play with it.. Going to follow your suggestion of rewriting the whole lot with mythui

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iamlindoro:

jya, cool, I'm leaving town in the morning for a few days, but will look closer when I come back

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jya:

not sure if I will have time today though

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wagnerrp:

jya: if thats to be used for user documentation, i would add it to the manual TOC as well

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jya:

if you're referring to the wiki page, I'm adding it to the "developer documentation"

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dustybin:

what would happen if everybody was selfish and lazy like me, would there be a open-source scene?

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jya:

hum.. added [Category:Developer_documentation] to the page (with and without space) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Audio_Framework

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jya:

doesn't seem to add it to the TOC in the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Developer_Documentation

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wagnerrp:

jya: ah, nevermind... throught you were giving him a page for setting up audio, not programming for it

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jya:

dustybin: when you do your own project, it's probably easier to make it open source

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dustybin:

jya: imagine every single open-source tool was suddenly taken away from me, then i would realise

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jya:

looking with a step back; it's probably the easiest audio framework to use *ever*

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jya:

ah I need two [[ bit

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jya:

[[Category:Developer Documentation]]

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wagnerrp:

jya: anyway, i was talking about this page... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Template:User_Manual_TOC

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wagnerrp:

you may want to tack it onto the bottom

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jya:

wagnerrp: yes, I figured that

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jya:

but here was for castlec as he's writing a plugin

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wagnerrp:

right

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jya:

he was using libao to play his audio

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dustybin:

in the open-source world, if somebody says negative things about your work, how do you react?

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: that depends

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wagnerrp:

is it just negative comments in the form of complaint?

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wagnerrp:

or is it negative comments for the purposes of useful criticism?

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dustybin:

well, if it was me, i would never take things to heart

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jya:

dustybin: it depends of the kind of comments really. Usually it strives me to do better, if not I classify the person as a moron, get annoyed, and end up doing the suggestion I found first stupid

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dustybin:

well, let them be, who cares

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dustybin:

you will never please everybody

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dustybin:

but one should listen to negative stuff, thats how you build and learn

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jya:

dustybin: it's pretty hard no to take things to heart when you have spent hundred of hours of something, improved it just to please some people only to have it slapped in your face.. I know I ultimately always take it personally, because I'm very proud of my work, or try to be

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dustybin:

i understand your point, but, you will never please everyone, be proud of what you have done, and listen to why those people were negative

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jya:

I know most of my hobby dev started with something I needed, I did it for me. Then shared it, got hundreds of suggestions/criticisoms and start to work on those. so in the end, all that extra effort is for others rather that what I ultimately started for

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: a complaint about something without even a suggestion of how to do it better is worthless

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dustybin:

jya: i think, if you do it, dont expect anything back, do it because its fun and you enjoy :D

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jya:

dustybin: in my experience, people are more quick to provide good criticism that you can listen to, rather than gratis criticisms with no other intent that putting a downspin on things

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dustybin:

jya: you need to balance up all the comments, if all the comments are leading to the same thing, then maybe listen to that, if its the odd random thing, ignore it

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jya:

actually: i love people giving me compliments or congratulating me on my work... everyone is different I guess. On the other hand, I very rarely make a decision based on my judgement alone, I need to gather comments and information before I do

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dustybin:

i always think, do it because you enjoy, dont expect anything back

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dustybin:

air is free, so is open-source

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jya:

On mythtv-user for example, it's pretty much always the same people putting a non-constructive criticism. They put a negative spin on almost everything they post. I have a filter for those. Like this jedi something guy. whenever he posts something, it's a criticisms on how it's crap, doesn't work, will never work etc..

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dustybin:

if you create something, and there are no negative comments, how can you move forward?

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jya:

all depends what you see as negative comments. Someone stating that it doesn't work , he wouldn't have done it that way and provide intelligent argument, I don't see this as a negative argument

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dustybin:

listen to everybody as a whole, if lots of people are saying the same thing, listen.

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dustybin:

i would be quite upset if i had no negative comments when my theme is released :(

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dustybin:

'ohh lets please the whole world' – impossible

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dustybin:

im glad that a lot of people dislike mythtv, less is more :D thats why i use slackware :D

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sphery:

dustybin: heh, you go to the Linux distro ranking website and pick the one on bottom or something?

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sphery:

http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity

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sphery:

seems you need to switch to GnackTrack

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dustybin:

i chose slackware because of this: http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/gldt1011.png

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sphery:

Oooh... Category: Forensics... ( http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gnacktrack ) I wonder if it has CSI's "Enhance" tool

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sphery:

wow, that's a lot of distros

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dustybin:

debian, redhat and slackware are the main threads

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sphery:

didn't realize SuSE was slack-derived

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sphery:

I like how the penguin has a GNU tatoo on his chest

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jya:

if you consider that mint is really just ubuntu in a different skin, that push ubuntu quite high

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sphery:

lots of very short-lived distros there, too

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wagnerrp:

im surprised mint is that high, ive really not heard much of anything about it

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sphery:

I'm wondering what will happen when Ubuntu switches to Wayland... They won't be able to make another distro that uses X and call it Xubuntu, since that names taken

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dustybin:

i like slackware because everything is kept vanilla, as best as it can, and if you learn that, its not a bad thing

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jya:

wagnerrp: it's quite pretty,, used it for a while, then didn't see the point as it's really just ubuntu

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sphery:

jya: wow, you're right... #1 and #3

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sphery:

kind of scary Ubuntu has that much popularity

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wagnerrp:

im also surprised freebsd is that high, i didnt actually know it was a linux distro

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dustybin:

if you do a full slackware install, mythtv compiles and installs without needing anything extra deps

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sphery:

if you add those, it's ~2x Fedora

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, what's it doing there

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sphery:

wagnerrp: must be FreeBSD running Linux kernel... FreeLinuxSD... FreeLSD?

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jya:

the main thing is favor of ubuntu, is the debian packages... rpm sucks IMHO next to it

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dustybin:

if you master ubuntu, there next release could change important system hiearchy, to me thats not good

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jya:

wagnerrp:: you now have a debian distribution based on freebsd kernel

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sphery:

PC-BSD... I thought that one disappeared... I thought it was now just FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD

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dustybin:

freebsd ports are nice and clean

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** sphery doesn't know BSD stuff **

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jya:

dustybin: like what? I've used ubuntu since 8.04, it's works the same now as it did earlier

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jya:

install package the same way, configure things the same way.

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wagnerrp:

jya: yes, but then its gnu/freebsd

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dustybin:

jya: ive gone through a few versions and a lot of stuff moved around

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wagnerrp:

still not linux related

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dustybin:

freebsd ports are nice

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wagnerrp:

theres also a gentoo distribution using a freebsd kernel, also not linux

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sphery:

they don't even have exherbo on there

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jya:

i had been using fedora/redhat since redhat 8 before that..

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sphery:

Exherbo... Linux for people who think they're better than everyone else?

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jya:

ubuntu has always been a much nicer out of the box epxerience. Stopped at Fedora 8, I never got audio to work right away without messing alsa configuration file for example. ubuntu, the live CD got me audio, I was amazed then

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sphery:

(I'm basing that only on their home page--I don't know anyone using it, so I'm sure it's not true.)

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dustybin:

was *bsd clones before linux?

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sphery:

dustybin: yeah, *BSD was here first

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jya:

bsd is much much older than linux

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sphery:

then there was a little AT&T lawsuit

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sphery:

and people got worried

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jya:

linux is in early-mid 90s

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sphery:

so when this new upstart--Linux--came about, people started using it

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awalls:

Bsd predates SysV

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dustybin:

freebsd puts everything in /usr/local for some strange reason

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jya:

BSD is at least 10 years younger

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sphery:

I doubt Linux would have been that successful without that lawsuit

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: because thats where stuff is supposed to go

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jya:

dustybin: no ports put everything in /usr/local

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dustybin:

oh

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jya:

anything base is in /usr

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jya:

I use FreeBSD for all our servers at work.. ZFS alone is enough for me to justify BSD/Solaris

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wagnerrp:

/ is for everything your system needs to boot, /usr is for everything your system uses and needs to run /usr/local is for anything specific to your install

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wagnerrp:

makes sense to me, nice separation of everything

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jya:

I actually prefer the way BSD organise stuff

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wagnerrp:

if you want to start fresh, you just dump /usr/local

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jya:

everything in /usr is a sure way to break things

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dustybin:

/srv = my mounts – date required by your server

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dustybin:

*data

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dustybin:

not /mnt

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wagnerrp:

ive seen a lot of stuff usr /opt for that purpose

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jya:

after having worked with most unix flavour, it kind of become automatic to search for all data

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wagnerrp:

each installed program gets its own prefix in /opt

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wagnerrp:

and then you just use wrapper scripts to set up the environment to use them as needed

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jya:

like /opt for sysV/Solaris

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jya:

wagnerrp: but then you end up with path that are 3km long

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wagnerrp:

heh, yeah

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dustybin:

in the future, a freebsd / ZFS storage box is on the cards

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wagnerrp:

jya: you do much with jails?

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dustybin:

freebsd is for performance, netbsd is for portability, openbsd if for security

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Beirdo:

I hate, oh HATE Cisco 7940 phones

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dustybin:

my polycom is nice

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dustybin:

the web interface sucks, but ftp config works nice

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wagnerrp:

using ftp as a configuration interface is... just... wrong

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sphery:

so now that flash has hardware accel support, sites will start switching from stupid wmodes like transparent (hulu) and opaque (cbs) to direct--which they should have been doing since 9.0.115.0 ( http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/2008/05/fla . . . the_gpu.html + http://www.kaourantin.net/2008/05/what-does-g . . . on-mean.html ) and then people will think that it's this new vdpau/purevideo support that makes video usable

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sphery:

when if the sites did things right 2 1/2 years ago, we'd have gotten OpenGL support all this time

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sphery:

kind of like how people think that Qt4 made MythTV UI better (when it was really mythui that did)

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wagnerrp:

'backend crash, do i have too few hard drives?' ... wait... what?

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dustybin:

i might of posted this before but its a good read: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=10

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castlec1:

pointer question

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castlec1:

&app.player = &(app.player)?

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castlec1:

you here sphery?

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castlec1:

iamlindoro? anybody? :)

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sphery:

castlec1: now I am

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castlec1:

thanks for popping up sphery. i ran over to the c channel to get my answer

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

didn't know there was a c channel

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sphery:

is it just #c ?

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tgm4883:

sphery, wouldn't that be for c#?

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tgm4883:

or would that be #c#

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

theres now an american country awards show? ...whats wrong with the CMA?

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wagnerrp:

does any other genre of music even have its own awards show, much less two?

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dustybin:

i need a linux girlfriend

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clever:

dustybin: one that comes with source and a manual? :P

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wagnerrp:

www.realdoll.com probably has something that runs linux

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castlec1:

sorry, wasn't paying attention, the c channel is ##c

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wagnerrp:

makes sense, its technically unofficial

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castlec1:

oops. joked in the wrong channel. lol

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wagnerrp:

what thread?

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wagnerrp:

ive tried ignore all 50 of his

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wagnerrp:

you know, in his couple months he has started probably twice the threads i have in my several years

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castlec1:

lol

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castlec1:

i need to search through there to find out about this guy

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wagnerrp:

read through and youll learn his life story

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wagnerrp:

every thought that goes through his mind ends up on some mailing list somewhere

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wagnerrp:

recently weve been getting some spill over from some asterisk/fax mailing list

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castlec1:

just a sad little man hiding in a basement somewhere

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wagnerrp:

but hes a man with several tens of thousands of dollars worth of decade old equipment

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wagnerrp:

like he scavaged some commercial server room when they upgraded

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wagnerrp:

seriously, what is a consumer doing with a P3 blade center

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wagnerrp:

probably cost $15K in its prime

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castlec1:

i wonder what his electrical bill looks like

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wagnerrp:

but now, it can be replaced for <$1000

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wagnerrp:

with significantly lower power consumption

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castlec1:

he probably uses it to heat his house..... see it's dual purpose

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wagnerrp:

heck, one of the devs in here has a new mini-itx i7 as his backend that probably has more throughput than that whole thing

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wagnerrp:

cute little thing, maybe as tall as a 100-disk spindle, and about as wide

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wagnerrp:

certainly has more storage than his array, probably more memory, probably more computational capacity

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wagnerrp:

i told him just go buy a new X6 system or something

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wagnerrp:

stop dicking around with this ancient hardware

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castlec1:

he probably finds it rewarding to keep the stuff going..... he must

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castlec1:

or, he could be trolling you guys :)

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wagnerrp:

being thrifty is fine

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wagnerrp:

but old hardware gets to a point where it costs more time to keep it going than it is worth to keep it

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castlec1:

on a brighter note.... i've spent my day refactoring pianobar code because the example player application is horribly disorganized in my opinion. a bright guy wrote that stuff and it's good code, but damned if the dude thought about others reading it

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BLZbubba:

i am having a weird mpeg transport stream problem. when i start playing it is fine, but after pausing or skipping it starts playing the video 2x as fast as the audio

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BLZbubba:

is there anything to do to try to get it to play normally?

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BLZbubba:

hmm maybe a bookmark

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BLZbubba:

nope

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BLZbubba:

maybe the good old ts2ps?

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BLZbubba:

video is MPEG-4/AVC and audio is mpeg 1, interesting

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sphery:

BLZbubba: IIRC, there was an issue with the libav* code misdetecting a audio, which caused some problems with playback... It was fixed (but I can't find references without our tools). Make sure you're on the most-current -fixes.

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wagnerrp:

apparently mythtv supports specific video cards now

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pheld:

git/mythweb $protocol_version=63, svn/mythweb $protocol_version=64 ... isn't git repo up2date yet?

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

0.24 uses protocol verson 63, trunk uses protocol version 64

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wagnerrp:

pheld: what 'git repo' are you pulling from?

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pheld:

i did clone yesterday from mythweb in https://github.com/MythTV/ .

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wagnerrp:

using https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git?

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pheld:

from .git/config: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git

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wagnerrp:

and you have checked out master? not 0.24?

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pheld:

git log shows last update at Sat Dec 4 00:08:21

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pheld:

git status -> on branch master

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wagnerrp:

huh... look at that...

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wagnerrp:

wonder if kormoc uploaded the wrong version when he split it off

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Beirdo:

we'll have to look into it :)

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wagnerrp:

let me do it... gotta learn some time

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Beirdo:

heh, OK

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Beirdo:

the network graph can be quite useful for tracking history

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pheld:

no hurry. I'm just updating my nightly automated build to use git instead of svn

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I don't see a commit marked as a revision bump on trunk there. Maybe it got missed somehow?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, history says the last update was from mid-november

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

one sec

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wagnerrp:

the proto change was 21st i believe

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Beirdo:

20th

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Beirdo:

I see it in my old git repo

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Beirdo:

I can cherry-pick them in

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Beirdo:

pheld: OK, wagnerrp just fixed it... pull at your convenience

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pheld:

great, thanks

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Beirdo:

thanks for finding it :)

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RSpliet:

Fedora 14, MythTV 0.24: sound output sometimes works, sometimes pops, and sometimes all to hear is noise

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RSpliet:

happens with both video and audio playback (to me), tried with both ogg and MP3. Totem and VLC work fine

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RSpliet:

what should I do to find the cause? :-)

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RSpliet:

oh: tried using ALSA output instead of PulseAudio, but that doesn't work at all... mythmusic just freezes then

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Diverdude:

Is it possible to set a boxee box up to stream and play an avi file from a server connected to the LAN?

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jarle:

I need to make sure I am at the same revision of mythtv on all my machines, can't seem to find the git argument to display which revision I am at?

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Diverdude:

Is it possible to set a boxee box up to stream and play an avi file from a server connected to the LAN?

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castlec:

http://www.boxee.tv/

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russell5:

quick question. im looking to get a new ghrapics card. i have currenty either a 8800 or 7800 (i forget) im looking a geforce 210. i dont play hardly any hd but would like to soon. i see this card has vdpau. only 512mb of ram. will it still work well?

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castlec:

i'm pretty sure that's the same gpu in the ion chipset. if so, you shouldn't have any issues with 720p

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eyeoh:

I can watch HD on an FX5200

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eyeoh:

but can't do too much more while I'm doing that

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russell5:

thanks. im just looking for an iexpensive upgrade. found those cards around 50 bucks so wanted to make sure they were not horrible

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russell5:

and if i dont like it i will swap it for my 9600gt in my main desktop thanks guys

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jarle:

so, the ubuntu 10.10 does not have OSS support, and does not have /dev/mixer, how does this affect the mixer setting in mythtv?

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jarle:

There is no longer a separate setting for the OSD theme to use?

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handyman231:

For you guys using Mac Mini systems: What do you use for your tuner?

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handyman231:

Or do you use a separate back end system?

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jarle:

handyman231: I'm using a separate backend..

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JEDIDIAH__:

separate backend.

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JEDIDIAH__:

although I have a Mac Mini running as slave backend with a HD-PVR attached to it (running Ubuntu).

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JEDIDIAH__:

Being an older Mac Mini, it doesn't have what it takes to play back the HD stuff that the HD-PVR spits out. So it's strictly on backend duty.

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handyman231:

Hm

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handyman231:

Is that a USB tuner?

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes

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JEDIDIAH__:

I also have an ethernet tuner for OTA stuff.

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handyman231:

Oh, nice. Who makes that one?

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JEDIDIAH__:

The ethernet tuner is the Silicon Dust HD HomeRun.

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handyman231:

I'm noticing lots of small form factor machines just don't have PCI or PCIe slots

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup.

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JEDIDIAH__:

well, most of the best tuner devices aren't internal cards anymore.

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handyman231:

That SiliconDust thing looks like a deal

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handyman231:

Cheaper than the Hauppauge PCIe dual tuner card

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have my HDHR set up to be as close to my antenna as possible in order to get the best signal (which seems a handy thing).

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey all, trying to compile myth music

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darkdrgn2k3:

tells me im missing few packages but they ARE installed

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stuartm:

have you installed the -dev or -devel packages?

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darkdrgn2k3:

yes

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darkdrgn2k3:

ie taglib-devel-1.6.3–1.fc12.x86_64

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darkdrgn2k3:

but i get

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darkdrgn2k3:

MythMusic requires taglib 1.5 or later.

[16:12:31]

darkdrgn2k3:

lame-devel-3.98.3–1.fc12.1.x86_64 vs MythMusic requires the LAME mp3 encoder.

[16:12:50]

stuartm:

darkdrgn2k3: what does "taglib-config --version" say?

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darkdrgn2k3:

1.6.3

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darkdrgn2k3:

only pacakge i think i actualy AM missing is MythMusic requires CDDA Paranoia.

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knightr:

darkdrgn2k3, have you tried passing --libdir-name=lib64 to ./configure?

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darkdrgn2k3:

knightr: you knoiw that didnt occure to me... that seemd to fix it..

[16:16:27]

darkdrgn2k3:

just gatta find how to install CDDA Paranoia

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stuartm:

ok, we check /etc/ld.so.conf for the library paths, Fedora is not populating that file with all the necessary info

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmmm looks like your right on that

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knightr:

stuartm, yep, darkdrgn2k3 needs to do it, I had to do that as well....

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darkdrgn2k3:

so where can i pickup cd paranoia for fedora?

[16:18:23]

knightr:

atrpms

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm im scared of atrpms lol

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knightr:

cdparanoia*

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darkdrgn2k3:

aaaa

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stuartm:

darkdrgn2k3: paranoid?

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darkdrgn2k3:

duuu

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knightr:

darkdrgn2k3, which repo do you use?

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darkdrgn2k3:

rpmfusion

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darkdrgn2k3:

in the past i'd get massive version conflicts with atrpms

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knightr:

better to stick with the same AFAIK but I don't know if they have it...

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh they have it

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darkdrgn2k3:

i was looking for cdda instead ...

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knightr:

darkdrgn2k3, that's to be expected, you have to stick with one repo preferably...

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey anything good in trunk since the release of 24?

[16:21:19]

darkdrgn2k3:

(ps thanx on both counts.. got it compiling now)

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knightr:

BTW, for ld.so.conf I actually have a file (think I added it) called lib-x86_64.conf which contains

[16:22:13]

knightr:

/usr/lib64

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knightr:

/usr/local/lib64

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knightr:

and /lib64

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knightr:

it's under /etc/ld.so.conf.d/

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darkdrgn2k3:

thanx

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darkdrgn2k3:

i have to wipte this box.. im running like fedora 12 on it still

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knightr:

if you are somewhat masochistic you can use preupgrade....

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darkdrgn2k3:

knightr: i like to wipe my boxes every so often :) its fun... but takes time

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knightr:

darkdrgn2k3, in this cas I suggest you take some notes, it's always useful to have an idea of the name of the package you are looking for when you want to reinstall..

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stuartm:

heh, I've not done that since the dark days of windows, since I've been using linux there hasn't been the need to start from scratch every 6–12 months

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knightr:

BTW, if you upgrade to F14 expect to have some problems with MythNetvision and the Python Bindings... I'll have to ask wagnerrp about it as I can't seem to get them to compile OK...

[16:27:56]

knightr:

AFAICT it's related to the fact that it comes with Python 2.7 and the oursql should be used for MySQL but even after installing it I can't get it to work...

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knightr:

stuartm, which distro are you using (or are you compiling everything yourself (a la Linux From Scratch))?

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knightr:

darkdrgn2k3, BTW, if you add things under /etc/ld.so.conf or /etc/ld.so.conf.d don't forget to rerun ldconfig...

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stuartm:

knightr: mandriva

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knightr:

stuartm, ah thanks. will you switch to mageia?

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stuartm:

dunno yet

[16:38:40]

stuartm:

I'll wait to see what they come up with

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wagnerrp:

knightr: shoot

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wagnerrp:

oh, i know what the problem is

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knightr:

wagnerrp, I can't seem to be able to get the Python bindings working with my most recent build which has Python 2.7. I did install oursql but I get there's still something wrong...

[16:42:11]

wagnerrp:

the makefile was never updated to allow oursql as a possible module

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wagnerrp:

so it detects, no mysqldb, no python bindings

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knightr:

wagnerrp, ahh, thanks!

[16:42:56]

wagnerrp:

which it should, since oursql still cannot be used due to that ticket mentioned in the commit

[16:43:12]

knightr:

stuartm, I guess that's the best thing to do...

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wagnerrp:

if you can to bypass it, you can still go to the bindings directory and install manually

[16:43:23]

wagnerrp:

'python setup.py install'

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knightr:

wagnerrp, guess I missed something in that ticket...

[16:44:06]

knightr:

wagnerrp, thanks, I'll try that...

[16:45:27]

knightr:

wagnerrp, I'm not sure I got the info about oursql from a ticket though, I think I got that from the wiki but I could be wrong...

[16:47:30]

knightr:

wagnerrp, ah, found the commit, I have to set ENABLE_OURSQL if I don't want to install the bindings manually...

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wagnerrp:

knightr: but even that wont allow configure to accept it as a replacement

[16:49:14]

wagnerrp:

and if F14 uses 2.7, im wondering if that means a backport is in order

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knightr:

wagnerrp, ah ok...

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knightr:

wagnerrp, I agree about the backport, might be a good idea to address it before people running -fixes are affected...

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wagnerrp:

released a month ago... surprised no one has said anything

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knightr:

[root@rogue ~]# python --version

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knightr:

Python 2.7

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wagnerrp:

no jrod around...

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wagnerrp:

knightr: anyway, more important than the env variable is the patch

[16:55:08]

wagnerrp:

the bindings /will/ break without that patch

[16:56:24]

knightr:

wagnerrp, any way to have someone there look at the ticket?

[16:57:01]

knightr:

(is that why you were looking for Jarod?)

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wagnerrp:

looking for jarod because as far as i know, no distro offers oursql as a package

[16:58:16]

wagnerrp:

just doesnt seem right to me, requiring a dependancy that is not offered as a package

[16:58:26]

knightr:

Cute so I guess I need to apply the patch to oursql and then recompile with the env var...

[16:59:23]

knightr:

wagnerrp, any way to have the MySQL package fixed instead?

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wagnerrp:

dont know what that would take to do

[16:59:46]

wagnerrp:

anyway, you cant just apply the patch

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wagnerrp:

odd as it may seem, you have to delete the code...:)

[17:00:08]

wagnerrp:

theres an oursqlx.c inside there you have to delete

[17:00:23]

wagnerrp:

so cython can rebuild it against the newly patched python

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knightr:

wagnerrp, so the .c is generated by cython from the .py if I understand you correctly...

[17:01:36]

wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

the module is written in cython, which is a python based language

[17:02:21]

wagnerrp:

cython gets compiled to C, which gets compiled to machine code

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wagnerrp:

most project which use it, ship the compiled C in their packages, so people dont have to rebuild it

[17:03:05]

knightr:

OK, I'll do that...Lets hope you fix is applied and a way is found to have it bundled otherwise that will soon cause problems...

[17:03:29]

wagnerrp:

well the other option is to just pull in and install our own version

[17:03:43]

knightr:

wagnerrp, ah, ok...

[17:04:17]

knightr:

wagnerrp, you mean like the other external program we bundle with Myth? That might be the best solution for now I guess...

[17:05:10]

wagnerrp:

i mean like how ffmpeg gets packaged

[17:05:42]

wagnerrp:

installed as libmythav, with only minimal changes to the ffmpeg source

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knightr:

wagnerrp, yep, I understood you correctly, I was thinking of ffmpeg too (I wasn't sure if there were others...)

[17:06:11]

wagnerrp:

there are a couple others

[17:06:22]

wagnerrp:

lossless mpeg stuff uses replex, for instance

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knightr:

ah ok, I thought these things were under mythtv/external/ (and only ffmpeg is there)... Thanks!

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knightr:

wagnerrp, Thanks for all your help, if you learn anything new about what's going on with your patch to oursql please keep me posted (and if you want me to test anything please let me know...)

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sphery:

Wow, I see Udo is royalty, now.

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sphery:

as in the royal "we"

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Nede:

hi all chat

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what is this 'MYTHTV_HOME' variable he set?

[18:11:42]

sphery:

maybe something he passes to the start script to allow it to set the HOME?

[18:12:19]

wagnerrp:

and why would mythbackend be doing anything with file ACLs?

[18:13:01]

sphery:

yeah, I'm thinking that's in /etc/sysconfig/mythbackend

[18:13:09]

sphery:

oh, no, mythbackend wouldn't

[18:13:15]

sphery:

but maybe mythbackend (the wrapper) does

[18:13:48]

wagnerrp:

so hes on the mythtv mailing lists complaining about !mythtv

[18:14:03]

sphery:

looks almost like a Fedora user who's using mythtv user to run the backend--when, TTBOMK, that doesn't work because of device permissions

[18:14:09]

sphery:

definitely

[18:14:20]

sphery:

because obviously it's mythtv's fault

[18:14:33]

sphery:

after all, he only changed his distro in the process of upgrading, so what else could it be

[18:14:42]

sphery:

(pretty sure he upgraded the distro--though he doesn't say)

[18:15:06]

sphery:

I'm not planning to reply, though--he burned his goodwill in the constant repetition of the "still eats memory" threads

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wagnerrp:

is he actually repeating those, or is it really the same thread over and over again?

[18:15:48]

sphery:

probably same thread

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sphery:

but I don't keep the others/check references

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sphery:

just mean that for all practical purposes--being separated by months of time--they're separate

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justTom:

hi all I'm having a problem with Mythbrowser in 0.23-fixes

[18:31:00]

justTom:

I recently did a fresh install of the latest mythbuntu and mythbrowser didn't work

[18:31:36]

justTom:

upon investigation there is no "mythbrowser' binary on my system, despite having the .deb installed

[18:32:06]

justTom:

I checked the fiels that the .deb provides and mythbrowser isn't listed.

[18:32:26]

justTom:

so I downloaded the source of mythtv-0.23 and mythplugins

[18:33:38]

justTom:

mythplugins didn't like that I hadn't uild mythtv from source, it couldnt' find mythconfig.mak so I configured mythtv-0.23 and copied the .mak file to /usr/include/mythtv (where plugins was looking for it)

[18:34:04]

tgm4883:

justTom, dpkg -l mythbrowser?

[18:34:26]

justTom:

I then configured and built mythplugins (just mythbrowser) but still didn't get a 'mythbrowser' binary just a libmythbrowser.so

[18:34:54]

justTom:

ii mythbrowser 0.23.1+fixes26057–0 A web browser for MythTV

[18:36:05]

justTom:

tgm4883 – is that what you were looking for?

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tgm4883:

justTom, yep, i'll check it out

[18:36:19]

wagnerrp:

there is no 'mythbrowser binary'

[18:36:26]

wagnerrp:

mythbrowser is not an application you can run

[18:36:31]

tgm4883:

well, that would explain that

[18:36:37]

justTom:

oh

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wagnerrp:

it is a shared object that gets loaded at runtime by mythfrontend

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tgm4883:

if you weren't talking about the so file

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wagnerrp:

it only exists as a plugin for the frontend

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** tgm4883 assumed that is what he meant.... ooops **

[18:38:09]

justTom:

wagnerrp, in my frontend config I have a place for a browser command

[18:38:41]

justTom:

wagnerrp, it is filled out with /usr/bin/mythbrowser -x 57 -y 20 -w 630 -h 435

[18:38:53]

justTom:

is this left over from my old DB or something?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what that is

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wagnerrp:

because there is no mythbrowser executable

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justTom:

it's under utils/Setup->Setup->Info Center Settings->Web Settings

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wagnerrp:

that setting is to allow you to replace mythbrowser with something else, firefox for instance

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justTom:

I did import my DB from my old install. Could this setting have come along for the ride?

[18:40:39]

tgm4883:

web settings != mythbrowser ?

[18:42:07]

justTom:

OK, well, I replaced /usr/bin/mythbrowser -x 57 -y 20 -w 630 -h 435 with "internal" and it works!

[18:43:03]

justTom:

I have to guess that this was a setting that got imported from my old DB. Was Mythbrowers a stand along app in 0.21? That is what I was running before this gfresh install

[18:43:12]

wagnerrp:

prior to 0.22, mythbrowser was a separate application

[18:43:18]

wagnerrp:

it has not been for the past three releases

[18:43:23]

justTom:

OK, makes sense

[18:43:51]

justTom:

thanks for the help – glad I can stop messing around with trying to compile just a part of this myself

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wagnerrp:

!seen j-rod

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MythLogBot:

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skd5aner:

anyone got any 500GB HDDs they'd be willing to sell on the cheap?

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skd5aner:

need one to replace in a RAID 1

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** tgm4883 checks his HD box **

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tgm4883:

skd5aner, sata or ide?

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wagnerrp:

what do you consider cheap? a new one is only $50

[19:02:15]

wagnerrp:

inc. shipping

[19:02:36]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, saw that on new egg, but not too much more, I could get a 1–2TB one

[19:02:55]

skd5aner:

cheap for me, in this case, would be like ~$20 (and I'll pay for shipping)

[19:03:35]

** wagnerrp would pay the extra $15 for a brand new drive **

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skd5aner:

tgm4883: SATA

[19:05:19]

tgm4883:

skd5aner, sorry, that one is in use

[19:05:35]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, being nickled and dimed to death this month as it is...

[19:05:58]

skd5aner:

$15 here, $15 there – starting to add up

[19:06:22]

Beirdo:

setfacl?!

[19:06:36]

skd5aner:

just figured I'd see if anyone had one lying around and wanted to make a quick buck

[19:06:42]

skd5aner:

I have 9 hard drives sitting here... lol

[19:06:57]

Beirdo:

we don't do setfacl directly anywhere in mythtv code. what the *BLEEEP* is Udo smoking now?

[19:07:02]

skd5aner:

none of them bigger than 300GB though

[19:09:17]

tgm4883:

skd5aner, same here, all my extras are 400GB and less

[19:10:05]

Beirdo:

tgm4883: does mythbuntu do anything in the backend wrappers to change device ownerships?

[19:10:45]

Beirdo:

trying to figure if that's what Udo's "setfacl" issue may be related to.

[19:10:45]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, I don't think so

[19:11:05]

tgm4883:

IIRC, we set user to mythtv for the process

[19:11:12]

Beirdo:

K. That's sensible :)

[19:12:16]

Beirdo:

not sure what distro he's using, but something seems to be doing something odd. I figured I'd check with you as you'd have some insight on that choice

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[19:12:46]

Beirdo:

oooh, I think maybe he may be using mythdora... or was that someone else.

[19:12:56]

Beirdo:

I can't remember crap anymore... getting old :)

[19:13:34]

tgm4883:

Yes! I think I finally have this custom recording schedule to where it does exactly what I want

[19:14:03]

tgm4883:

actually, it will probably break for bowl games, but that is expected

[19:14:04]

Beirdo:

cool :)

[19:14:56]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, sounds like something one of the startup scripts is doing

[19:15:01]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, yea I couldn't figure out why it didn't want to record todays college football game, then realized that when I say don't record LIKE '%Oregon State%', that when oregon plays oregon state that is a problem :)

[19:15:08]

Beirdo:

yeah, he's using fedora of some sorts

[19:15:22]

wagnerrp:

speaking of fedora, f14 is broken

[19:15:31]

tgm4883:

thats going on the wiki

[19:15:41]

Beirdo:

an F15 is a much nicer plane anyways

[19:16:01]

wagnerrp:

nah, f15 would break in half trying to land on a carrier

[19:16:07]

Beirdo:

heheh

[19:16:25]

sphery:

F35? :)

[19:16:28]

wagnerrp:

besides, theyre brand X engines

[19:16:30]

Beirdo:

it all depends on what you wanna use it for

[19:16:41]

wagnerrp:

were a GE household

[19:16:44]

wagnerrp:

pratt is the devil

[19:16:44]

Beirdo:

brand X? Excuuuse me!

[19:16:59]

Beirdo:

!trout wagnerrp

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[19:17:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:17:10]

Beirdo:

of course, I don't work for them anymore, so whatever

[19:17:12]

wagnerrp:

i apologize for you working at brand X

[19:17:23]

wagnerrp:

but its the truth... :P

[19:17:30]

tgm4883:

Is there another spot for user contributed custom recording rules or is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Custom_Recording the right place?

[19:17:34]

skd5aner:

Rolls Royce FTW! (unless you're on an A380)

[19:17:34]

tgm4883:

or neither?

[19:17:40]

skd5aner:

;)

[19:17:51]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: im thinking theres a page somewhere on the wiki

[19:17:53]

** skd5aner just likes to stir the pot **

[19:17:56]

wagnerrp:

(or maybe there should be)

[19:18:24]

** Beirdo likes the F35, and the corresponding F135 engine. Sorry, GE, but you suck :) **

[19:19:04]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, thats the closest I can find

[19:19:16]

sphery:

tgm4883: that looks like it

[19:19:50]

** sphery should take out Recording a Rebroadcast in HD: An Advanced Custom Recording Example **

[19:20:16]

Beirdo:

anyways... :)

[19:20:19]

skd5aner:

(wishes he had one more 500GB and/or 750GB drive laying around)

[19:20:27]

sphery:

(since it's not in the example clauses built into mythtv)

[19:20:31]

sphery:

s/not/now/

[19:20:47]

tgm4883:

sphery, whats it take to get into the examples?

[19:21:15]

sphery:

an idea that's likely to apply to a large number/percentage of users

[19:21:18]

sphery:

:)

[19:21:30]

sphery:

what's the one you're adding?

[19:22:00]

tgm4883:

sphery, how to record your favorite college football team, and no other teams

[19:22:13]

tgm4883:

although that would also work for basketball, and probably professional as well

[19:22:43]

skd5aner:

I do that for NFL and for college football already too

[19:22:44]

tgm4883:

basically, my use case is I wanted all of the Oregon games, but not the Oregon state games

[19:22:51]

sphery:

if you post it somewhere, and it looks clean enough, I can look at adding it

[19:22:52]

Beirdo:

wouldn't be too hard for Notre Dame fans :)

[19:23:31]

tgm4883:

yea notre dame would be easy, but it gets harder for teams with multiple similar named schools, ie oregon and oregon state

[19:23:45]

Beirdo:

but of course, many colleges ain't that distinctly named :)

[19:23:54]

tgm4883:

well not, harder, but just a little extra setup

[19:23:57]

Beirdo:

or Ohio/Ohio State, etc

[19:24:33]

skd5aner:

Actually, the one that took me extra setup was a custom recording rule for racing

[19:24:41]

skd5aner:

NASCAR is a great example...

[19:24:57]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:25:04]

sphery:

so closest we have, now, is "Multiple sports teams (complete example)", which uses program.title = 'NBA Basketball AND program.subtitle REGEXP '(Miami|Cavaliers|Lakers)' AND program.first > 0

[19:25:16]

sphery:

so it would probably fit nicely in there

[19:26:05]

skd5aner:

It's "NASCAR Racing", but that title includes practice, qualifying, and races for the truck series, nationwide series, and sprint cup series... so it's got to be smart enough to only record the actual race for the sprint cup series and filter ou all the rest (include the rebroadcast of the race a few days later)

[19:26:08]

Beirdo:

where program.description like "floor it, turn left, avoid the walls"

[19:26:17]

wagnerrp:

!seen jannau

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MythLogBot:

jannau is here and has been idle for 1 day 21 minutes 30 seconds

[19:27:18]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you know, the pratt engine for the past several fighter aquisitions has sucked

[19:27:44]

Beirdo:

ummm, if you say so. F35 pilots would disagree :)

[19:27:49]

wagnerrp:

theyve won them all on the price tag, and the promise that they will eventually meet the required sepcification, eventually

[19:28:09]

Beirdo:

oh you mean the retro-fits on older ones... yeah

[19:28:22]

wagnerrp:

no, i mean their engines just suck

[19:28:33]

skd5aner:

Everyone knows that a fighter jet isn't really finished until the "D" version ;)

[19:28:33]

wagnerrp:

take the F22, it was a functional fighter in the early 90s

[19:28:57]

wagnerrp:

it was held up for years after the fly-off because pratt couldnt get their engine working

[19:29:03]

wagnerrp:

they couldnt get enough power out of it

[19:29:19]

Beirdo:

yeah well.

[19:29:22]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: all jet engines suck (squeeze, burn, and blow)

[19:29:32]

Beirdo:

I didn't do military engines, I did commercial :)

[19:30:13]

sphery:

well, for a behind-schedule, /way/ over budget program, you'd hope it would work well :)

[19:30:21]

Beirdo:

http://www.pw.utc.com/Products/Commercial/PurePower+PW1000G

[19:30:25]

Beirdo:

in particular

[19:30:38]

sphery:

just ask those UK guys how they feel about the F-35 :)

[19:30:45]

wagnerrp:

sphery/beirdo: you know if there is some set procedure for importing a new external library into the code?

[19:31:36]

wagnerrp:

geared turbofan...

[19:31:43]

wagnerrp:

are they bringing back the UDF?

[19:32:36]

sphery:

wagnerrp: only step I know is step 1) seek approval from the devs on list

[19:32:38]

wagnerrp:

the only reason to use gearing is if youre trying to run a fan oversized for your core

[19:32:47]

Beirdo:

no

[19:32:57]

wagnerrp:

which means youre trading off speed for economy

[19:33:01]

stuartm:

sphery: UK versions will be using Rolls Royce engines iirc, although there's resistance to spending any money on a fighter which is so far over-budget at a time when we're making major cuts to defence spending

[19:33:06]

Beirdo:

the other reason is to increase economy

[19:33:06]

skd5aner:

sphery: advice for formatting the F4 2TB?

[19:33:14]

wagnerrp:

and you dont want to go with a triple-spool design like the Trents

[19:33:44]

Beirdo:

that thing saves double-digit percentage fuel burn

[19:33:51]

Beirdo:

for equivalent power

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tgm4883:

sphery, here it is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Custom_Recording#R . . . _other_teams

[19:34:04]

wagnerrp:

for equivalent thrust, not equivalent power

[19:34:07]

tgm4883:

sphery, although I wonder if the section inside () might be able to be cleaned up a bit

[19:34:12]

Beirdo:

at the cost of higher complexity

[19:34:12]

wagnerrp:

thrust gives you take off speed

[19:34:18]

wagnerrp:

power gives you top end speed

[19:34:30]

Beirdo:

for commercial airliners thrust = power

[19:34:37]

wagnerrp:

no, no no no

[19:34:54]

tgm4883:

also, I don't know what the bowl games will be scheduled as, so it likely won't record those if the team is in there

[19:34:59]

wagnerrp:

you use gearing because you need the torque to run a larger fan

[19:35:07]

wagnerrp:

and you dont want to use a more powerful core to power it

[19:35:21]

wagnerrp:

as a result, your fan runs slower

[19:35:30]

wagnerrp:

causes a lower jet velocity, but moves more mass

[19:35:42]

wagnerrp:

that means you get higher thrust at low speeds for takeoff

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wagnerrp:

but your thrust drops off faster at higher speeds, limiting your top end

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Beirdo:

well, they've worked through that fun... anyways... I worked on control software for that engine family

[19:36:42]

sphery:

skd5aner: specify 56 sectors per track — http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligni . . . -block-size/ + http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/22/should . . . ed-for-ssds/

[19:36:51]

Beirdo:

I just did what I was told to :)

[19:36:57]

sphery:

skd5aner: also see the post on the -users list about the F4 and a firmware bug

[19:37:02]

wagnerrp:

for instance, a modern turboprop and a 60's turbojet are going to have the same power output, generally on the order of 10khp

[19:37:23]

wagnerrp:

the turbojet is going to be supersonic, but the turboprop will top out at 300 knots

[19:37:56]

wagnerrp:

the turboprop will take off with 50–60klbs of thrust, the turbojet will only have 8–10klbs

[19:38:13]

wagnerrp:

you trade static thrust for top end

[19:38:15]

Beirdo:

yeah, and for commercial airliners, you aren't looking for supersonic

[19:38:18]

skd5aner:

sphery: sigh, that's just great

[19:38:22]

sphery:

skd5aner: where Theodore Ts'o is the guy who does e2fsprogs, so he knows his filesystem stuff

[19:38:41]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: no, but it means youre flying at 0.75M as opposed to 0.85M

[19:38:43]

Beirdo:

it's all about thrust, not top speed in that game, it's a different market than military

[19:38:46]

sphery:

skd5aner: not a big deal--just don't run smartmon tools until they have an update

[19:38:51]

wagnerrp:

if thats something airlines want, go for it

[19:38:57]

Beirdo:

no, it means 0.85 instead of 0.85

[19:39:04]

wagnerrp:

im not saying its good or bad, its a trade off

[19:39:15]

Beirdo:

from the testing they've done, IIRC

[19:39:35]

Beirdo:

but it don't matter much :)

[19:39:39]

wagnerrp:

unless theyve got the same bypass pressure, they wont fly as fast

[19:39:48]

Beirdo:

and I need coffee

[19:39:50]

sphery:

skd5aner: I also love how on the -users list, when that was posted, everyone and their brother wrote off samsung--just like they did seagate

[19:40:16]

sphery:

"In 2001, I bought a disk from <insert manufacturer name> and it had a problem, so I will /never/ buy from them again"

[19:40:39]

skd5aner:

sphery: so, is there anything I need to do to prevent that from running? Or just be sure not to run it?

[19:40:44]

skd5aner:

... manually

[19:40:52]

sphery:

even google says that making decisions based on manufacturer is senseless--the data only supports that some models have higher failure rates

[19:40:55]

high-rez:

I only use circa 1999 IBM DeathStar, err DeskStar drives!

[19:41:04]

sphery:

skd5aner: no idea... depends on your distro

[19:41:09]

skd5aner:

ubuntu

[19:41:23]

Beirdo:

I shall be back in a while.

[19:41:29]

sphery:

you'd have to ask them

[19:41:38]

Beirdo:

at which point, I think I'll work on the mail hook

[19:41:45]

skd5aner:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sma . . . /+bug/684809

[19:42:57]

sphery:

skd5aner: WARNING: Samsung F4 owners / warning. Disable smartmontools, FWIW

[19:43:00]

sphery:

(that's the thread)

[19:43:11]

skd5aner:

yea, I read

[19:43:31]

skd5aner:

I won't write off samsung because of this, but still would rather not have to deal with HDD firmware issues none-the-less

[19:43:49]

skd5aner:

it looks like smartd isn't running on my systems, so unless I manually sent that command, I should be fine

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you know, ive never had a samsung drive yet die

[19:50:05]

wagnerrp:

ive always retired them due to being too small

[19:50:27]

sphery:

heh

[19:50:36]

sphery:

yeah, I tend to run most all of my disks until they die

[19:50:40]

** skd5aner has 3–4 internal samsung disks and 2 external USB samsung "stories" **

[19:50:49]

sphery:

(which is why I had no e-mail for 32 hours last week :)

[19:50:54]

wagnerrp:

ran my desktop on a pair of striped samsung 80GBs

[19:51:02]

wagnerrp:

they just got too small to use

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wagnerrp:

ive got a couple 300GBs from my old array still functional

[19:51:29]

wagnerrp:

and several 750s in my current array still functional

[19:51:29]

sphery:

I also liked the user who said he no longer buys disks > 1TB since 3 of 4 of his large HDDs failed

[19:52:00]

sphery:

seems to be the proverbial baby-and-bathwater approach

[19:52:47]

sphery:

guess people just get a bit over-concerned about disk failure sometimes because when it happens, it causes them great pain

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skd5aner:

I wonder if smartctl or hdparm runs at boot or as part of any other automated process?

[19:53:16]

tgm4883:

sphery, nah, there data isn't important

[19:53:17]

sphery:

in all my HDD failures, I've never lost any data I wasn't better off for having lost

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tgm4883:

there is one rule when it comes to data, if it's not backed up, it's not important

[19:53:51]

sphery:

yep

[19:54:01]

sphery:

I back up all 8MB of important data on my network

[19:54:08]

tgm4883:

heh

[19:54:10]

sphery:

(literally 8MB)

[19:54:15]

tgm4883:

I have quite a bit more

[19:54:17]

skd5aner:

no pics or usic?

[19:54:21]

skd5aner:

er, music

[19:54:24]

tgm4883:

but it's sitting on a NAS

[19:54:31]

tgm4883:

I really need to get it backed up offsite as well

[19:55:11]

sphery:

only music I have is from a few CD's that sit in a box (and even that's not important--I never listen to it, instead choosing to listen to radio stations with new songs)

[19:55:26]

sphery:

and I never really look back at pictures, either

[19:55:34]

sphery:

that's what memories are for :)

[19:55:44]

tgm4883:

I think my wife would freak if I didn't back up the wedding photos

[19:55:47]

[R]:

tgm4883: do you know what the status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/675279 is?

[19:56:06]

tgm4883:

[R], yep, it says opinon

[19:56:07]

tgm4883:

:)

[19:56:08]

[R]:

so when i use mythnetvision it doesnt disable DPMS... has anyone seen that?

[19:56:25]

[R]:

tgm4883: haha

[19:57:05]

sphery:

[R]: the only code we have that handles screensaver/dpms is in the internal player

[19:57:22]

[R]:

sphery: is there some way to make it run a script or something?

[19:57:28]

sphery:

so if mnv is using an external player (i.e. Flash in a browser), you don't get screensaver handling

[19:57:30]

** [R] wonders if there is a system event for it **

[19:58:41]

[R]:

mythbrowser isnt' "fullscreen" and i still see my theem when using it... do i need to hack up the theme to not draw other elements for mythbrowser?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: are system events backend only (but allowing frontend or backend handlers)?

[19:59:06]

wagnerrp:

system events run once per machine

[19:59:17]

sphery:

right, but does the frontend ever /send/ events

[19:59:24]

wagnerrp:

there is nothing that dictates which listening client receives and processes those events

[19:59:35]

wagnerrp:

yes, the frontend sends playback events

[19:59:45]

wagnerrp:

it sends to the master backend

[19:59:54]

[R]:

hrm, theres no event for what i need

[19:59:59]

** [R] ponders how to do this **

[20:00:00]

wagnerrp:

and the master backend repeats everything from there

[20:00:05]

sphery:

ok, so [R] could make an event for plugin entered/plugin exited

[20:00:46]

sphery:

I still don't get why people use DPMS or screensavers on mythtv systems

[20:00:50]

sphery:

turn off your TV's people

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[R]:

sphery: lol

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so if a script is defined, does it attempt to run on every box? or what?

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wagnerrp:

knightr: did you just go pester habnabit?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the trigger will be sent once to every connected box

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[R]:

i dont see a plugin entered event...

[20:02:31]

wagnerrp:

you can have half a dozen programs open and listening to the backend, but it will only be issued to one of them

[20:02:52]

wagnerrp:

backend, frontend, and jobqueue all act as a possible issuer

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wagnerrp:

knightr: just peculiar that a month with no activity, and a few hours after discussing it with someone unrelated, the ticket goes and gets itself closed

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wagnerrp:

crrraaapp....

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

i need to run a script when i start mythnetvision

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[R]:

is that supported somehow?

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knightr:

wagnerrp, sorry was afk, no I did nothing of the sort... Is it possible that he is following this channel?

[20:16:05]

knightr:

what is that crraaaapp about?

[20:17:15]

wagnerrp:

trac spam

[20:17:18]

wagnerrp:

lots of it

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knightr:

wagnerrp, was the training info reinstalled (I think I read it was not there earlier...)?

[20:19:23]

wagnerrp:

thats probably the case

[20:19:35]

wagnerrp:

the regular expression block list has been taking care of most

[20:19:53]

wagnerrp:

but this is stuff that would likely only be had through the bayesian filter

[20:20:13]

sphery:

wagnerrp: hmmmm... weird. I haven't gotten any e-mails from trac recently

[20:20:46]

knightr:

sphery, come to think of it me neither...

[20:21:10]

sphery:

heh, http://svn.mythtv.org/ doesn't redirect, anymore

[20:22:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp: fwiw, stuartm mentioned to xris and Beirdo the desire to import the old spam bayes stuff

[20:22:42]

sphery:

wonder if I have to do something to start getting trac mails, again

[20:23:48]

wagnerrp:

i also thought there was some way to delete tickets outright

[20:24:21]

knightr:

wagnerrp, pretty sure there is since I saw it being done but don't know how to do it...

[20:24:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: did something change regarding tickets/trac mail? do I have to do something to re-enable it?

[20:24:36]

wagnerrp:

im pretty sure ive done it before

[20:24:40]

knightr:

(the ticket is then reused for a real non-spam ticket...)

[20:24:45]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no clue

[20:24:51]

sphery:

are you still getting e-mails?

[20:25:16]

sphery:

my last one was Dec 2, 4:13PM

[20:25:40]

wagnerrp:

we now have the priority and severity set to major/high by default?

[20:26:12]

sphery:

I'm thinking someone changed the headers on them

[20:26:17]

knightr:

sphery, same as me...

[20:26:29]

sphery:

and we no longer have X-Trac-Project:.*MythTV

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: could be that the ticket delete plugin isn't installed yet

[20:26:43]

sphery:

wagnerrp: wanna pastebin the headers from a recent one?

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knightr:

sphery, are we still subscribe to the commits mailing list using our regular email addresses?

[20:27:18]

wagnerrp:

headers?

[20:27:23]

sphery:

mail headers

[20:27:25]

sphery:

nvm...

[20:27:34]

wagnerrp:

oh

[20:27:40]

sphery:

I just made a rule that will properly sort * ^Subject:.*myth.*ticket

[20:28:01]

sphery:

so assuming our subject says both myth and ticket (in order :), I'll get one and can do it right

[20:28:26]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: are you seeing spam then? I've not seen much of anything from trac, no emails, timeline is stuck at yesterday morning etc

[20:29:03]

wagnerrp:

no, im not seeing anything

[20:29:11]

sphery:

of course, it would also get: Enlargement is not a myth. Your ticket to satisfy...

[20:29:13]

wagnerrp:

im just looking at the list of tickets in trac

[20:29:17]

sphery:

ohhh

[20:29:20]

stuartm:

and it's very, very slow

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sphery:

I thought wagnerrp said he was getting e-mails, still

[20:29:58]

wagnerrp:

anyone remember what the default priority/severity was?

[20:30:19]

sphery:

minor/medium

[20:30:39]

sphery:

component to mythtv general

[20:30:40]

wagnerrp:

ok, thats what i thought, just checking

[20:31:06]

stuartm:

ouch, that's a lot of spam BEIRDO XRIS

[20:31:24]

sphery:

so sounds like the commits e-mail list trac stuff hasn't been set up

[20:31:48]

stuartm:

if I still have root on the new server I'll install the plugin myself

[20:31:56]

sphery:

then again, it's nice not having any new bugs in MythTV

[20:32:02]

wagnerrp:

if you dont, i do... let me know what i need to do

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stuartm:

heh nope, don't even have an account on svn.mythtv.org anymore :(

[20:34:58]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: instructions and plugin are here – http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SpamFilter

[20:35:32]

sphery:

stuartm: no one told you that you're not a dev, anymore?

[20:36:01]

stuartm:

apparently not, but I know where I'm not wanted ... cya around maybe

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sphery:

heh

[20:36:09]

sphery:

wait!!!

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm

[20:36:25]

sphery:

we need you!

[20:36:28]

sphery:

don't leave, again!

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wagnerrp:

heh... heh... heh...

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** wagnerrp debates the best way to close this ticket **

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stuartm:

is that it? Not feeling it, might just leave for real this time ...

[20:37:18]

stuartm:

;)

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sphery:

please help us!

[20:37:36]

sphery:

we love your work

[20:37:52]

sphery:

mythui is the greatest thing since bread--even better than sliced bread

[20:38:06]

sphery:

is that better?

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stuartm:

ok,ok, enough already

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

#9335 ... seriously, couldnt they have at least changed the file name?

[20:41:09]

stuartm:

hang on, why am I bothering with commit messages for stuff in private trees?

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wagnerrp:

"myth://Videos@192.168.15.6:6543/24/Day.7 + Redemption/24-Redemption.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi"

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wagnerrp:

ticket locking is a plugin?

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stuartm:

"Aborting commit due to empty commit message." oh ffs, ok then, git commit -a -m "1234"

[20:42:46]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: plugin/hack written by Anduin

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wagnerrp:

huh...

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stuartm:

not sure which, whether he directly modified the code or wrote a plugin for it

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wagnerrp:

know if weve still got that code laying around somewhere?

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stuartm:

Anduin: do you have the trac locking plugin code?

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stuartm:

maybe we should have put it in svn

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Anduin:

stuartm: Maybe, I can look, I known when writing it I did it all locally but it was some time ago

[20:50:31]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: did you have any remote filter APIs set up?

[20:50:45]

Anduin:

stuartm: I know I'm inactive but any chance you can add awithers to the git commit list?

[20:51:22]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo, xris: ^^^^

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xris:

Anduin: wrong channel. go to #mythtv. :P (of course we can)

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xris:

done

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wagnerrp:

does apache need to be restarted for trac.ini to be reloaded?

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xris:

it might

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: I don't even know what that question means :)

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xris:

I don't know enough about wsgi

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: yes

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stuartm:

it needs restarting

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stuartm:

xris: any particular reason why I no longer have an account on svn.mythtv.org?

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wagnerrp:

there it is

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wagnerrp:

ok, filtering is installed again

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wagnerrp:

but it seems it doesnt know anything of the two days where it wasnt

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stuartm:

ah ok, that remote filtering stuff is new, wasn't present in the old version of the plugin iirc

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stuartm:

we had a couple of remote filters enabled but nothing requiring API keys

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: bayes is still not enabled

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skd5aner:

great, something happened while installing my new hard drive, the other 2TB drive I had now doesn't power up, and when it does, it clicking :/

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skd5aner:

+

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: we were using 1.1a6?

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stuartm:

I don't recall

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wagnerrp:

its 'alpha', but the most recent 'stable' version was last updated in 2005

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stuartm:

in that case we were using the alpha, it was definately more recent than 2005

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wagnerrp:

ok, server bounced, bayes now available, with the existing training

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ExElNeT:

any idea on this compilation error? http://pastebin.com/R7tXVx9d

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: nice work

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stuartm:

ExElNeT: looks like a bug, you have the X11 QT libs installed but not the X11 devel libs, and we're checking for one where we should be looking for the other

[21:20:26]

ExElNeT:

stuartm: that helps. so the ebuild lacks a dep?

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wagnerrp:

meh, downloaded some files and restarted the web server

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wagnerrp:

everything was already setup from the last time

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wagnerrp:

i guess that all gets stored in the database

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: thanks to Anduin you can grab the locking plugin here – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/mythtv-ti . . . -0.1.tar.bz2

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wagnerrp:

will do momentarily

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stuartm:

ExElNeT: looks like it, but we should fix the define checking in mythtv all the same

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Wicked:

hello all. just compiled 0.23-fixes on arch linux 64bit....and when running make install i saw this: http://pastebin.com/mduWmhgG

[21:27:13]

Wicked:

i just started mythtv and it seems to work

[21:27:36]

Wicked:

looks like python version issues(arch linux uses python3)

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wagnerrp:

arch linux better not use python 3.x

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wagnerrp:

2.x and 3.x are not code compatible

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stuartm:

Wicked: oh no, get out of the house now! It's going to blow!

[21:28:06]

Wicked:

lol

[21:28:11]

stuartm:

ok, I've had too much to drink

[21:28:20]

Wicked:

python --version

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Wicked:

Python 3.1.3

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Wicked:

there is also python2

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is a configure option to specify the python executable you want to install against for exactly that reason

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

was unaware there was

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but what if my distro uses ncat instead of nc

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wagnerrp:

then dont use telnet

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sphery:

guess nc110 has a reasonably new version of nc 1.10

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sphery:

http://nc110.sourceforge.net/

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sphery:

though nmap's ncat seems to work fine for me

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sphery:

http://nmap.org/ncat/

[21:40:01]

sphery:

anyway, I was just joking

[21:40:20]

sphery:

in theory, someone can figure out from your example that you mean to use a netcat implementation rather than telnet

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sphery:

seems GNU Netcat is dead: http://netcat.sourceforge.net/

[21:41:40]

sphery:

I never realized just how many netcats there were

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sphery:

there's a veritable clowder of them

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sphery:

or a clutter

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Wicked:

so i uninstalled mythtv 023-fixes....switched over to git repo from github...checked out the 023fixes branch...compiled,installed then tested mythtv...mythtv switched from my normal theme back to umm...the default brownish one..cant think of the name this second

[21:49:34]

Wicked:

so i went into the settings and swithed it to the mythtbuntu theme...mythtv never switched themes....so i closed mythtv and then reopened it...i now see the backdrop to the mythbuntu theme..but no ui is made...then after about 15 seconds im dropped back to the cli

[21:49:44]

Wicked:

i tried to rm the themecache

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Wicked:

but that did not solve it

[21:49:58]

Wicked:

any other ideas?

[21:53:05]

Wicked:

seems theres a --reset option to the frontend...but it didnt fix my issue

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stuartm:

--reset only resets certain settings which might preclude you from being able to use the frontend

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Wicked:

yea

[21:54:19]

Wicked:

i think i may have just solved it

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Wicked:

ah yup

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stuartm:

--reset should reset the theme, but I guess Captain_Murdoch wasn't aware of it when he removed the theme setting from the Appearance settings

[21:54:52]

stuartm:

Captain_Murdoch: ^^^

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Wicked:

well i think it may have been my fault

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stuartm:

main.cpp – reset should revert to DEFAULT_THEME

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Wicked:

i removed the old stuff from svn

[21:55:19]

Wicked:

switched to git

[21:55:23]

Wicked:

installed

[21:55:33]

Wicked:

then realized there was old theme stuff in the theme fodler

[21:55:42]

Wicked:

so i rm * in the folder dir

[21:55:51]

Wicked:

which i think removed more then i meant for

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Wicked:

but simply redoing make install on mythtv+myththemes seems to have worked

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sphery:

the symptoms you describe are exactly what mythfrontend would do if started without a valid theme--it would fall back to Terra

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sphery:

once you change theme after fallback, it would not show until you restart mythfrontend

[22:02:14]

sphery:

(because I was told it's not nice to change someone's setting--even if it's broken--without their permission, so we end up doing an override until you shutdown)

[22:02:41]

sphery:

so when you restarted with mythbuntu specified, it tried to use it--but for some reason didn't display properly (likely meaning your mythbuntu theme is not properly installed)

[22:02:54]

sphery:

which is why redoing the make install on myththemes worked

[22:03:26]

wagnerrp:

or better yet, uninstalling myththemes all together

[22:03:33]

wagnerrp:

the mythbuntu theme is available through the theme chooser

[22:03:41]

sphery:

+1

[22:03:47]

Beirdo:

mmmm, coffee

[22:04:06]

skd5aner:

!url logs

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MythLogBot:

logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1

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sphery:

wagnerrp: one more benefit ot the theme downloader--will prevent the issues associated with broken/legacy theme installs

[22:04:39]

sphery:

just gotta get users to uninstall those packages

[22:04:47]

sphery:

I hope packagers stop packaging them

[22:04:51]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

+1

[22:05:04]

Beirdo:

how's it goin today?

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skd5aner:

ah, irc.mythtv.org, interesting move beirdo

[22:05:35]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: bad, loads of trac spam

[22:05:39]

Beirdo:

my linode is MUCH much happier

[22:05:55]

Beirdo:

ooh, that sucks

[22:05:56]

sphery:

also no trac ticket mails to -commits list

[22:06:10]

Beirdo:

OMG

[22:06:13]

sphery:

(which you probably know--but I just figured out it hasn't been set up, yet :)

[22:06:19]

Beirdo:

I think I'll go back to sleep now :)

[22:06:20]

Beirdo:

hehe

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stuartm:

Beirdo: the spam filter and ticket locking plugins, among others, weren't installed when you moved trac

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sphery:

heh

[22:06:32]

stuartm:

but wagnerrp has got it under control

[22:06:34]

sphery:

no sleep 'til Brooklyn

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Beirdo:

I know, it was hard enough to get it installed in the first place :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: its still having difficulties

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you're on it?

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Beirdo:

cool

[22:07:07]

stuartm:

maybe not :)

[22:07:15]

wagnerrp:

one out of three of the last batch were correctly detected

[22:07:21]

sphery:

at least since we don't have e-mails from trac, we don't get the spam e-mails the stupid spammers think we're getting :)

[22:07:29]

wagnerrp:

heh

[22:07:35]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: I think they've detected blood in the water

[22:07:39]

Beirdo:

sorry for forgetting the email part too. The hooks need to be installed soon

[22:07:52]

Beirdo:

but yeah, let's get the spam fixed :)

[22:08:11]

sphery:

no biggie--I just realized I hadn't gotten any e-mails from trac in 2 days... I was more surprised than anything.

[22:08:28]

stuartm:

Beirdo: the github trac hook doesn't seem to be working

[22:08:33]

sphery:

I thought we finally ran out of unreported bugs

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: you would be surprised... thats not an abnormal amount of spam

[22:08:49]

Beirdo:

argh.

[22:08:57]

Beirdo:

wonder why the heck not?

[22:09:04]

wagnerrp:

10–15/day is fairly typical for us

[22:09:22]

wagnerrp:

its just been pretty good (up to now) at squelching them

[22:09:28]

jya:

talking about spam: there's no way to just delete a ticket ?

[22:09:46]

wagnerrp:

jya: used to be

[22:10:01]

wagnerrp:

either that was removed in the current version of trac, or that was a plugin

[22:10:06]

sphery:

plugin

[22:10:08]

wagnerrp:

or something otherwise hacked in

[22:10:10]

sphery:

right?

[22:10:17]

stuartm:

Beirdo: ok, I might actually have fixed the trac/github hook, the url had whitespace on the end which wasn't supposed to be there

[22:11:01]

jya:

wagnerrp: trac is very slow for me now, and it took me forever to go through those bugs, couldn't continue after a while as trac would take 5 minutes+ to give me any page

[22:11:08]

sphery:

http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TicketDeletePlugin

[22:11:18]

stuartm:

until I removed that there were no updates between yesterday morning and now

[22:11:19]

Beirdo:

Oh? dangit, I was sure the whitespace was fixed

[22:11:22]

jya:

could we re-install that one? easier for spam ones

[22:11:23]

wagnerrp:

really? its pretty snappy for me

[22:11:29]

Beirdo:

how does that keep messing up?

[22:11:35]

jya:

that was about 10 hours ago

[22:11:43]

Beirdo:

you fixed that on the github end, stuartm?

[22:11:44]

stuartm:

Beirdo: so it's a recurring problem?

[22:11:48]

stuartm:

Beirdo: yeah

[22:11:55]

sphery:

guess it's now not a plugin

[22:11:57]

sphery:

since trac 0.12

[22:12:09]

Beirdo:

it may have been a bad paste, but I though I'd seen it and fixed it

[22:12:10]

sphery:

just need to enable it... [components]\mtracopt.ticket.deleter = enabled

[22:12:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... just upgraded my backend to fixes/0.24 using git that I checked out last-night. All is well on the backend, but now on a seperate frontend I can't do the 'git checkout fixes/0.24' – says "error: pathspec 'fixes/0.24' did not match any file(s) know to git.' – what am I doing wrong?

[22:12:19]

sphery:

s/\\m/\\n/

[22:12:33]

Anduin:

I don't know that they ever fixed the official ticket delete plugin, I have that one as well if it is needed still

[22:12:37]

Beirdo:

stuartm: the Test Hook will send a hook

[22:12:52]

jya:

so can someone add

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jya:

[components]

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jya:

tracopt.ticket.deleter = enabled

[22:12:56]

sphery:

Anduin: seems it's been incorporated into 0.12+ http://trac.edgewall.org/search?q=%233641

[22:13:04]

Beirdo:

got that one

[22:13:15]

wagnerrp:

seems its already been done

[22:13:16]

Beirdo:

saw it hit the trac logs

[22:13:25]

sphery:

don't know if it's better or worse than the plugin, though

[22:14:00]

Beirdo:

or not. God, I need more coffee

[22:14:43]

Anduin:

sphery: hard to be worse, looks good (though I've clearly not been following trac releases)

[22:14:52]

Beirdo:

it ran the commit hook at 21:50:46 GMT for the CardUtil commit

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[22:15:13]

jya:

well, svn.mythtv.org is slow for me again: I get "waiting for svn.mythtv.org"... for a few minutes then it goes... hum.. sounds like a DNS caching issue

[22:16:04]

jya:

wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9335#comment:2 what's LOL releases?

[22:16:34]

wagnerrp:

LOL is a release group, releasing pirated videos

[22:16:36]

stuartm:

jya: svn.mythtv.org is unbearably slow for me

[22:16:46]

wagnerrp:

in this case, pirated episodes of 24

[22:17:17]

wagnerrp:

if the user cant even be bothered to change the name to remove the release group name, they need more help than we can give them

[22:18:05]

jya:

it's still a bug no?

[22:18:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

On a positive note, I don't get 'prebuffer pauses' on 1080i h.264 on my backend with 0.24-fixes... ;-) Now if I can just get the frontends upgraded... DOH!

[22:18:52]

wagnerrp:

it may be, it may not be

[22:18:59]

wagnerrp:

but im going to bet on user error

[22:20:03]

skd5aner:

sphery: you would happen to have the exact command(s) from when you formatted your disk do you?

[22:20:23]

jya:

stuartm: I'm guessing svn.mythtv.org still points to the older server with some DNS, so you get waiting for ... until it tries again... once it starts loading it's pretty good

[22:20:33]

skd5aner:

sphery: I'm debating trying to see if parted -a optimal will actually work on my version of parted and kernel

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Beirdo:

jya: it shouldn't be

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Beirdo:

the TTL was a day, we changed it to 300min more than a day ago

[22:21:40]

Beirdo:

if something is still caching it, that's the fault of the DNS server's admin

[22:22:13]

stuartm:

it's a matter of principal I guess, if a gun owner asks an armourer to repair his pistol because "I tried to kill my wife but the gun jammed", would the armourer be wrong to refuse? Ok so it's a very different and less serious scenario, but we have a policy of refusing help to those who intend on breaking the law – whether it's playing pirated videos or using softcams to watch free cable

[22:22:16]

Beirdo:

some of them like to override TTLs to a week minumum

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sphery:

skd5aner: cfdisk -s 56

[22:23:27]

skd5aner:

That's it? :)

[22:23:38]

sphery:

yep

[22:23:40]

sphery:

easy as pie

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stuartm:

my DNS appears to point at the new IP, but yeah I guess it's possible that my ISPs cache is looking elsewhere

[22:23:47]

Beirdo:

mmmm, pie

[22:23:59]

Beirdo:

I should go bake the other pumpkin pie

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stuartm:

lets see if referencing it by IP makes a difference

[22:24:32]

sphery:

works on WD (which actually says physical layout is 4kB sectors), Samsung (which lies and says both logical and physical layout is 512B sectors), and Seagate (which uses both logical and physical 512B sectors)

[22:24:42]

mofu:

Having Issue with clear QAM HD channels on WOW cable Detroit, anyone think they might be able to help??

[22:25:26]

sphery:

skd5aner: any other approach is likely to lead to a partition table that can't be used by some program... cfdisk, fdisk, parted, ... all work once you (once--for initial partitioning) specify 56 sectors per track

[22:25:49]

stuartm:

nah, just as slow accessed by the IP instead

[22:25:52]

sphery:

i.e. my WD 2TB HDDs have partition tables that mean I can't use cfdisk on them

[22:25:53]

wagnerrp:

do we even support mpeg4asp (divx/xvid) playback through VDPAU?

[22:25:53]

[R]:

mofu: no can can help unless we know what "issues" means

[22:26:04]

sphery:

I plan to move the data and repartition them soon

[22:26:39]

skd5aner:

sphery: hmmmm

[22:26:44]

sphery:

Beirdo: heh, I have half a 2-pie can of mushed orange stuff in the fridge... I should make a pumpkin pie

[22:27:08]

jya:

wagnerrp: if the cards supports it (feature C) then yes

[22:27:50]

jya:

does the myth player supports .srt subtitles?

[22:27:58]

wagnerrp:

i didnt know if that kind of thing was automatic or not

[22:27:59]

sphery:

skd5aner: you'll have to also specify the device...

[22:28:14]

sphery:

skd5aner: and if you have a broken partition table, you may need to zero it, first

[22:28:15]

skd5aner:

sphery: right

[22:28:25]

wagnerrp:

jya: yes, subrip subtitles should be supported as separate files, and embedded in mkv files

[22:28:26]

skd5aner:

how can you tell what the drive says it will support?

[22:28:33]

stuartm:

jya: yes, and I know that conflicts some with what I just said about supporting piracy

[22:28:43]

mofu:

[R], Channel scan finds them, but they will not record, cannot view on LiveTV in Myth. Signal 92% (TLAM_V) Partial Lock

[22:28:44]

sphery:

skd5aner: what do you mean?

[22:28:50]

sphery:

what "it"?

[22:28:53]

sphery:

spt?

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[R]:

mofu: and the logs say...

[22:29:04]

jya:

stuartm: what do you mean?

[22:29:17]

sphery:

skd5aner: if so, all use a made up number of 63 on Linux, now, since CHS addressing is obsolete

[22:29:47]

sphery:

there's been talk of switching this number to 56 since it will work for 512B and 4kiB sectors (on HDD or SSD or ...)

[22:29:49]

jya:

what has subtitles support anything to do with piracy?

[22:29:58]

jya:

you lost me there.

[22:30:30]

Beirdo:

because that's where 90%+ of subtitled video comes from/

[22:30:32]

wagnerrp:

jya: nothing, some comment from 8 minutes ago

[22:30:38]

skd5aner:

sphery: How do you see what the drive reports in terms of sector size

[22:30:56]

stuartm:

jya: what Beirdo said

[22:31:02]

Beirdo:

but such is life, as long as people don't rub our faces in it

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sphery:

haven't been reading, but I'm guessing that stuartm is referring to the fact that most consumer video that can be ripped is using image-based subtitles, but the pirates strip them out to save bandwidth, then OCR (or transcribe) them to text-based representation--so nearly all text-based subtitles in use in anything that's not NTSC/ATSC or other text-based-subtitle-using standard is pirated content

[22:31:47]

mofu:

[R]: 2010-12–04 17:30:47.633 DTVSM(FFFFFFFF-0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(200) desired(201)

[22:31:47]

mofu:

2010-12–04 17:30:47.701 DTVSM(FFFFFFFF-0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(101) desired(201)

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[R]:

that doesnt' sound good...

[22:32:07]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: its perfectly valid for people to pull them out of closed caption feeds, but thats about it

[22:32:26]

sphery:

and any user who claims to be doing OCR or transcribing for him/herself is wasting time and making things hard with /absolutely/ no benefit over using the image-based subtitles in the stream

[22:32:26]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, but most people don't

[22:32:26]

jya:

ahhhh... nah.. I have a bunch of French DVDs I bought when I was in france last summer, no english subtitles. I have found this site that have subtitles ; so going to rip them, put the srt file and watch it with the wife

[22:32:27]

mofu:

from my searching I think it's related to virtual channels . . . .

[22:32:28]

wagnerrp:

any other way to get them is really more trouble than its worth

[22:32:35]

[R]:

mofu: you could try deleting all the channels and the multiplexes and try again

[22:32:40]

Beirdo:

or legit if they wanna make their own subtitles too :)

[22:32:59]

Beirdo:

jya: aah :)

[22:33:04]

sphery:

jya: but then again, in some areas of the world, downloading the subtitles of copyrighted videos is piracy

[22:33:18]

jya:

I don't know who has the time and patience to write subtitles, that must take forever...

[22:33:28]

jya:

I tried once, gave up after 10 minutes.

[22:33:29]

Beirdo:

certainly not me

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sphery:

jya: i.e. the only way to get legit English subtitles is to by a DVD from the proper region that provides the proper subs

[22:33:38]

sphery:

at least in the US

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mofu:

[R]: do I need to do something more than just deleting all the channels in an Input source?

[22:33:56]

stuartm:

which is why we included .srt support, but there was plenty of discussion and thought about it at the time

[22:34:08]

jya:

i have no idea where they got the subtitles from to be honnest.. and I don't really care

[22:34:10]

[R]:

mofu: i said "and the multiplexes"

[22:34:18]

sphery:

(only place in the world where it makes sense for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement division of the Department of Homeland Security to enforce copyright)

[22:34:24]

mofu:

Where do delete the Multiplexes??

[22:34:30]

[R]:

its in the setup somewhere i think

[22:34:45]

mofu:

I will go look . . . .

[22:35:01]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, the drive reports nothing because CHS addressing is obsolete... All drives in the past many years have used LBA

[22:35:03]

stuartm:

and strictly speaking, I'd guess that cirumventing region protection on discs would break the DCMA in the US, though probably not in any other country

[22:35:26]

sphery:

skd5aner: so the 63 you get by default is a made up number--just a very inappropriate made up number for that drive

[22:35:36]

sphery:

skd5aner: so make up your own--use 56 , and all is well :)

[22:35:37]

wagnerrp:

well by a strict interpretation, any dvd playback in mythtv is a violation of DMCA

[22:35:48]

sphery:

yeah

[22:35:50]

jya:

so if I'm in Oz, ripping a DVD bought in france, where does that leave me with DMCA?

[22:35:52]

sphery:

not to mention DVD ripping

[22:36:14]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:36:27]

sphery:

yes, I realize that the Librarian of Congress granted an exemption for DVD ripping for short clips and academic usage, but we don't qualify

[22:36:30]

jya:

oh, can I play a DVD directly and use a SRT subitlte file?

[22:36:30]

Beirdo:

I think I'll wander off and try to work on the email hook

[22:36:33]

jya:

that would be far more convenient

[22:36:46]

stuartm:

jya: free to knock yourself out :) But from a project POV we have to be careful since many of the devs are in the US and the MythTV Foundation is subject to US law

[22:36:49]

sphery:

plus, the Librarian of Congress has no authority to make the currently illegal under the DMCA tools used to rip a DVD legal

[22:36:54]

jya:

if I don't have to rip, that's much better

[22:37:10]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, but legal precident in the courts say were in the right

[22:37:11]

sphery:

so even if you did qualify and used only a small section for academic purposes, your use of the tool is a violation of DMCA

[22:37:35]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm just upset that someone is starting to add back the capability to rip DVDs

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mofu:

[R]: Are Multiplexes and Transports the same thing?

[22:38:14]

jya:

sphery: why? it's a useful feature and unfortunately necessary by all those laws designed to not protect the customer

[22:38:21]

sphery:

because all the mythtv-lawyers list people say, "How can you make a big stink when I admit to stealing video through torrent downloads of illegally-distributed movies when you also support DVD ripping, which is also illegal."

[22:38:21]

[R]:

mofu: yeah

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jya:

DVD ripping isn't illegal in many countries , and IMHO, not even a moral issue

[22:39:31]

jya:

but I disgress.. we come around and around this topic all the time

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sphery:

yeah, but we in the US have to make decisions what we will do based on the laws in place

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sphery:

(we = users, not speaking about dev issues)

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jya:

don't see how an externally developed plugin has any effects on mythtv core

[22:40:35]

mofu:

ok, scanning.

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jya:

are we going to do like PGP vs PGPi ?

[22:41:01]

mofu:

Where did the option to set Alt-Esc to Exit the Frontend go in 0.24??

[22:41:03]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no consumer or organization has had successful suit taken against them for ripping dvds

[22:41:10]

sphery:

well, the ripping support is one that's being developed as a part of mythbackend or mythfrontend so it can be used for anything (dvds or camera photos or vid cam movies or ...)(

[22:41:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yes, I realize that

[22:41:28]

wagnerrp:

the only organizations that have lost in court were due to violations of their DVDCA license

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Beirdo:

sure, if the federal government comes after us for shipping "munitions" in the form of high-grade encryption

[22:41:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm far more concerned over /any/ legal suit

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[R]:

mofu: keybindings... read the release notes

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sphery:

I really don't care if they're successful, if I'm the guy in court

[22:41:57]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

[22:42:02]

sphery:

either way, it's a very bad thing for me

[22:42:04]

mofu:

thanks, I'll look at them again.

[22:42:10]

[R]:

Beirdo: i trhought they loosened up about that

[22:42:15]

sphery:

and, really, I don't want to be the unlucky first guy to be taken to court

[22:43:10]

jya:

Actually, I've seen a panasonic DVD with hard drive, let you copy the disk locally.

[22:43:25]

wagnerrp:

jya: would it actually let you remove the DVD after doing so?

[22:43:29]

jya:

Philips had one of those too in the past

[22:43:40]

sphery:

jya: that would likely be legal if it's a DVD CCA-licensed product

[22:43:54]

jya:

wagnerrp: I haven't played with the device, I only saw it on the shelf

[22:43:54]

wagnerrp:

kaleidoscope had a big media server that did that

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Beirdo:

[R]: some, but that's what was behind the PGP nonsense

[22:44:03]

jya:

may go back, I'm keen on a new TV

[22:44:11]

sphery:

i.e. it's the circumvention of CSS that's illegal--not making a backup in the interest of fair use

[22:44:12]

wagnerrp:

and the only way they were allowed to get away with it was by locking the DVDs inside the turntable for as long as they were on disk

[22:44:29]

wagnerrp:

so, they had to make it a big, several hundred disk carousel to be legal

[22:44:43]

jya:

what's the point of copying the DVD on the hard drive, if you can't take the DVD out ?

[22:44:47]

sphery:

so any DVD CCA-licensed product is actually using CSS withing the bounds of the license agreement and not circumventing

[22:45:04]

wagnerrp:

jya: because... you could copy the DVD to disk, and then return it

[22:45:07]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, that's funny

[22:45:10]

wagnerrp:

or rent the DVD, copy, and return it

[22:45:13]

wagnerrp:

or... or...

[22:45:42]

wagnerrp:

basically, the kaleidoscope systems were whole home integration systems, costing several tens of thousands of dollars

[22:45:43]

jya:

Most of the places here, do not let you return a DVD once it's opened

[22:45:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I was a bit disappointed when a certain EFF guy made a comment about how Netflix streaming is bad because they distribute in a format where after you cancel your subscription to Netflix, you can't watch it, anymore

[22:46:04]

wagnerrp:

there is no chance that any customer purchasing such a system would be such a cheapskate as to partake in that behavior

[22:46:14]

stuartm:

jya: you don't have rental services in NZ?

[22:46:22]

jya:

as for renting.. well, you paid anyway no?

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[R]:

so is there any way to make a script run on my frontend when i start a plugin?

[22:46:34]

sphery:

after all, you're not "buying" the movie when you stream it from netflix--you're "renting" a view of the movie

[22:46:44]

jya:

I'm in Oz.. there's one by Telstra, they send you up to 3 DVDs at a time

[22:46:50]

wagnerrp:

you license it for X hours

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stuartm:

not to keep the film beyond the rental period, which is why rental prices are a fraction of the purchase cost

[22:47:00]

sphery:

jya: but there's a difference between paying full purchase price and paying the $1 for a Red Box rental

[22:47:16]

sphery:

jya: difference not only in amount, but also how the money is distributed, and to whom

[22:47:30]

wagnerrp:

its a retarded requirement, brought on by a valid argument

[22:47:38]

sphery:

yeah

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jya:

I was subscribed for about a year, then gave up. You enter a list of movie you want to watch. Then they send you 3 at a time. But you could never guarantee that the movie on top of your list were the one you would get

[22:48:24]

jya:

so often, I would get a movie that was quite low in my list... And that wasn't what I felt like watching..

[22:48:28]

mofu:

[R]: Alt-F4 is the default key binding to exit the Frontend, correct? Should Esc still exit?

[22:48:38]

jya:

so often ended up keeping the 3 DVDs for a while.. cancelled the service

[22:48:50]

[R]:

mofu: i dunno... depends on your bindings

[22:48:50]

jya:

I wish we had $1 rental here

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sphery:

jya: yeah, the netflix streaming idea makes more sense for exactly that reason--you can choose to watch what you feel like watching

[22:49:21]

jya:

last movie I rented was $4.99 (new release). so the Apple TV is now the same price, and I don't have to drive down the store

[22:50:07]

jya:

I rented girl with a dragon tatoo (what a awesome movie BTW)... was ace.. You have 30 days to watch it

[22:50:19]

jya:

took a good 2 weeks to find time to watch it

[22:50:43]

jya:

quality wasn't ace though, lower than a standard DVD

[22:51:30]

sphery:

of course, with Comcast trying to charge Level 3 a couple of dollars for every Netflix streaming movie that a Comcast user requests to download (where that download comes from Level 3's network), the cable company seems very much bent on the idea of killing netflix streaming

[22:52:19]

jya:

what's level 3 ?

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[R]:

they arent charnging level3 for netflix

[22:52:24]

[R]:

they are charging level3 for bandwidth

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sphery:

jya: a content delivery network in the US

[22:52:38]

stuartm:

the cable company, which makes money by selling TV and film subscriptions, wants to kill Netflix ... I wonder why?

[22:52:41]

jya:

I wish we had netflix here..

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sphery:

[R]: they're charging level 3 to pass the data from level 3's network through comcast's network /to the comcast customer who requested that data/

[22:53:22]

[R]:

that's how the internet works...

[22:53:25]

sphery:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/netflix-at-h . . . e-2010-11-30

[22:53:57]

sphery:

[R]: so how much money does google pay my ISP to deliver all my google services to me?

[22:54:17]

[R]:

sphery: is google peering directly with the isp?

[22:54:19]

jya:

Had cables (foxtel) until 2 years ago. The quality of playback became atrocious. Funnily enough it was about the same time they released their HD STB. Called to complain, was told that it would look much nicer on the new HD STB, which was only $210 to upgrade to, then $15 per month extra..

[22:54:27]

jya:

cancelled cable on the spot.

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[R]:

sphery: and how much reciprocol traffic is there

[22:54:32]

sphery:

[R]: data is data

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[R]:

sphery: huh?

[22:54:46]

sphery:

[R]: yes, that's what they say--that there's an imbalance

[22:55:02]

[R]:

comcast is doing absolutely nothing wrong

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sphery:

however, they say this after just starting to charge level 3 days after level 3 becomes the netflix streaming provider

[22:55:23]

sphery:

comcast is always doing things that are wrong

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[R]:

yes, because level 3 is using more traffic now

[22:55:34]

sphery:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/netflix-unve . . . n-2010-11-22

[22:55:48]

sphery:

Nov 22, they are announced as the netflix streaming partner

[22:56:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Any issues with git right now? I can do the clone, but can't do the 'git checkout fixes/0.24' – git says "error: pathspec 'fixes/0.24' did not match any file(s) known to git." — exact same command that worked for me on my backend last-night.... I'm confused... :-(

[22:59:21]

sphery:

[R]: anyway, IMHO, if a comcast user asks for data that's on Level 3's network, Comcast should pass it to Comcast's customer--and if they need to charge for it, they should charge the Comcast customer

[22:59:22]

stuartm:

J-e-f-f-A: get used to being confused

[22:59:40]

mzb:

J-e-f-f-A: co or pull?

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jya:

stuartm: I feel some kind of resentment with git :)

[23:00:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

stuartm: yeah, no kidding, eh? ;-)

[23:00:13]

jya:

I read the instructions Beirdo gave you earlier .. And I thought, how is any normal human able to remember that process

[23:00:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: I can't do the pull until I switch to the fixes/0.24 branch, right?

[23:01:21]

[R]:

sphery: thats how peering works

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mzb:

um

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skd5aner:

sphery: hey, btw – how'd you come up with the "56"?

[23:02:28]

sphery:

skd5aner: I didn't. Theodore Ts'o did. (The main guy in the e2fsprogs development.)

[23:02:45]

sphery:

at least he's the one who "told" me about it (in his blog posts)

[23:04:03]

stuartm:

jya: I'll learn and I've probably already learnt most of what I need to know, but although I can see benefits I think it would be a bare faced lie to say that git is easier or as easy to use as SVN

[23:04:12]

skd5aner:

wow, been searching and haven't come across that one... got a link handy?

[23:04:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

do I have to checkout 'origin/fixes/0.24' now? When I do a 'git branch -r' it seems all the branches have "origin" in the front of the branch now – I don't remember that from last-night when I did my backend system... <my brain hurts>

[23:04:49]

jya:

stuartm: I don't think anyone ever said that git was easier than SVN... I certainly dont think so

[23:05:39]

sphery:

skd5aner: those 2 blog posts I gave you were Ts'o's blog

[23:05:58]

skd5aner:

sphery: ah, I'll have to check the backlog, sorry – might have missed them?

[23:06:00]

stuartm:

git seems to punish mistakes and it all requires more work than svn ever did, I can see why quilt users might love it and in many respects it's actually easier than quilt but I have issues with git for the same reason I had issues with quilt – it doesn't fit the way I'm used to working

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sphery:

skd5aner: also http://markmail.org/message/dqjx2aby3jaxftck? . . . tate:results

[23:06:43]

sphery:

skd5aner: also http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showt . . . 9#post335049

[23:06:44]

jya:

I like quilt... what issues did you have with quilt ?

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skd5aner:

sphery: I see, ty again

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jya:

wagnerrp: so to use an external text subtitles file, all I have to do is rename the file to be the same as the video one ?

[23:08:04]

jya:

like rip1.mkv and rip1.srt

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sphery:

jya: ttbomk, yes

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skd5aner:

also, my F3 started acting bad on me, it doesn't want to spin up when the machine turns on, but if I plug in the power while the machine is running, then reboot (not cutting off power), it'll be detected at boot by the CMOS

[23:08:40]

jya:

going to try ..

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nasa:

could I get some help with scte65scan? Specifically, finding the VCT_ID. I am a Comcast user and in my area we haven't been forced/offered DCT boxes yet.

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nasa:

So the command from the Wiki doesn't return anything that looks like the VCT_ID.

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sphery:

skd5aner: this was the last mailing list message I was trying to send... http://markmail.org/message/5ff4sqvub2hg6xgm? . . . sqvub2hg6xgm (cleaner link)

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skd5aner:

yea, the first one worked... sorry, ty = thank you :)

[23:12:52]

skd5aner:

(if you thought I was trying to say "try again") :)

[23:13:42]

skd5aner:

but yes, much cleaner... haha, that first one is a nice example of gibberish

[23:14:04]

skd5aner:

sphery: I now see why this AFT stuff is really a pain (for now)

[23:14:07]

sphery:

actually, I got the thank you... just didn't like that ugly link

[23:14:16]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah...

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skd5aner:

interesting thread about it here – http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59946

[23:15:51]

stuartm:

jya: quilt assumes that you're going to work on a single issue at a time in a linear fashion, patches apply on top of the preceeding patches, you can't work on two different things in the same file at the same time but keep them totally seperate

[23:16:26]

stuartm:

git does better at that, if you remember to change branches each time you change direction

[23:16:35]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, it's not too bad once you know the best way around it--use 56spt for systems without msdos disk labels--but once I clean up my disks, I'll have copied data off so I could repartion one disk 3 times and another 2 times

[23:17:03]

sphery:

skd5aner: just too many drive implementation differences (and drives that don't always provide truthful information), so it can be a challenge to figure it out

[23:18:02]

skd5aner:

skd5aner: well, it looks like the kernel and partition tools support it when the drives don't lie – that's the bummer

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stuartm:

I know that my schizophrenic approach to development is not the norm, but I'm much happier if I have lots going on at once and I can switch around to keep it interesting

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skd5aner:

er, uh... talking to sphery, not myself;)

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, though not all of them

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, like the WDs you were mentioning – I learned that they actually have a jumper that can be moved if you want it to report 4k or 512 sectors

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PhoenixWing:

Hello. Just trying to setup my ATI HDTV Wonder in MythTV. Added my video card in the Capture Card section (It recognizes it, and its /dev/video0) using mythtv-setup, exited the setup, filled the database, and fired up the backend. However the backend keeps saying "No valid capture cards are defined in the database". Is there something else I must do to setup my capture card? Following this guide: https://wiki.

[23:21:42]

PhoenixWing:

archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV_HOWTO . Only wish to use Composite on this card. Thanks in advance

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sphery:

skd5aner: cfdisk has much more stringent requirements for partition layout than, say, fdisk, so if you create an "optimized" layout with gparted on a WD with 4kiB sectors, it will use 63spt, and will result in an error about, "Partition ends in the final partial cylinder"

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sphery:

skd5aner: but if you use 56spt, everything--start, end boundaries--will work properly such that all tools can use the drive

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sphery:

oh, that error being given when you try to use cfdisk on it

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cipher_:

I'm trying to create a 26 tb partition. is this possible with ext4?

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stuartm:

maybe, but why?

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Beirdo:

I'm sure we could read the same docs as you

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stuartm:

Ext4 supports 1 exabyte partitions, but I can't see why you'd need to join drives in that way, certainly not for MythTV

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jamesd2:

anyone want to have there mythtv server down while a 1 exabyte, or even 2TB filesystem does a compplete fsck no matter how rare of occurance they are.

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clever:

even my 500gig ext3 takes too long to fsck

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** [R] doesnt remember the last time h ever ran fsck **

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stuartm:

[R]: but you remember the last few times you lost data? :p

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[R]:

lol

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clever:

my last data loss was due to pvmove while xfs was mounted

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Beirdo:

I've never had an issue with that

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clever:

xfs wasnt obeying lvm, and wrote to its old spot on the hdd

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clever:

scrambling an ext3 partition

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stuartm:

I just don't understand the desire to make things more difficult than they need to be, liking a challenge is one thing but going through the needless hassle of LVM or similar for a MythTV install that doesn't even need it is plain masochism

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clever:

i was using LVM before SG's where finished

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stuartm:

the older I get, the more I appreciate simplicity. It's not the natural loss of brain cells but that I've realised that my time is worth too much to waste

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skd5aner:

clever: most of us were – but 1TB+ drives and SG really negate LVM

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clever:

skd5aner: i currently have a seperate SG for each drive

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clever:

so if i split them up, it wont cause the problems its done before

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skd5aner:

Although, I'm a little worried about one of my 2TB drives... it basically has 1.1TB of recordings on it and it started flaking out on me a few hours ago :(

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clever:

1tb and 1.5tb

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stuartm:

why not one storage group?

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clever:

i mean VG

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skd5aner:

recordings are one of those things where, imho, aren't important enough to back up but would REALLLLLLLY upset me and the wife if a recording drive were to die

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clever:

one volume group per drive

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wagnerrp:

26 tb....

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wagnerrp:

thats a lot of data

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stuartm:

either one vast DVD collection or 5 years of all the soaps

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wagnerrp:

in achdee

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wagnerrp:

in 1080p, you can see that their fake emotions are really just painted on makeup

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clever:

lol

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