Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, November 29th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Wicked:

both audio and sound :)

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Wicked:

very cool!

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wagnerrp:

hey everyone, richard morton's mysql password is 'Equin0x'

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iamlindoro:

audio *and* sound, huh?

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iamlindoro:

and probably his e-mail, ssh, etc. password too

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: best of both worlds i would imagine

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you will be happy to know that I have tested the changes for MNV and the metadata grabbers :)

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: its merely sending an mpeg data stream, it is not redirecting audio and sound outputs from the remote machine

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Wicked:

errum

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Wicked:

audio and video :)

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Beirdo:

left to go... WOL, mythwelcome, mythshutdown, lirc

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wagnerrp:

m-p-e-g

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, cool

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Beirdo:

and, of course, Windows...

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Beirdo:

but we'll get tehre :)

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Beirdo:

2010-11–28 15:58:41.752 Managed child (PID: 25010) has started! * command=/opt/m

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Beirdo:

ythtv/mythsystem-rewrite/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M "X-Men Ori

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Beirdo:

gins Wolverine", timeout=0

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Beirdo:

gah. all one line, stupid putty

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

What could cause mythVideo to produce video frame buffering failed messages?

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Beirdo:

and yes, I use funky prefixes :)

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wagnerrp:

so this iso-play.sh on the wiki, the author put in support to call mysql remotely over ssh for machines that dont have the mysql command line utility installed

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wagnerrp:

now this is designed to be an external player wrapper for mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

meaning you have to have the frontend installed

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wagnerrp:

meaning you have to have the mysql client libraries installed

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wagnerrp:

what kind of screwed up package manager is going to offer the client libraries without the command line client itself?

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wagnerrp:

its like mythtv, you have to intentionally not include the binary when you package everything up

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biffhero:

you can link against libmysql but not need to use the mysql command?

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wagnerrp:

no, mythtv does not use the mysql command, it hits the libraries directly

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wagnerrp:

as does just about sane use of mysql

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wagnerrp:

but the binary COMES WITH the libraries

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wagnerrp:

you cant have one without the other

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biffhero:

until you package it up. sounds like a security idea.

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wagnerrp:

security how?

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wagnerrp:

its just a client

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wagnerrp:

if you can access the server with the client, meaning you had the proper credentials to log in

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wagnerrp:

you dont need the client binary OR the libraries

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wagnerrp:

the malware could speak directly to the server if so inclined

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biffhero:

someone could make the point that if you have the command line client, you have more vectors for attack. I am not sure I agree, but it's a think I could see being thought by security people?

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wagnerrp:

no, you cant

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wagnerrp:

any 'security person' who thought that should not be in the security business

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wagnerrp:

for the aforementioned reason

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wagnerrp:

the only thing youre doing by packing it that way is saving maybe a few MB of disk space

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biffhero:

k

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

I'm having a problem with fast forwarding through an MP4 file. The video and audio go out of sync and then the video frame buffering error pops up.

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[R]:

what kind of an mp4 file?

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

h264,mp3

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

720x480

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wagnerrp:

not sure why you would have compressed to mp3

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

I didn't.

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iamlindoro:

Certain poorly muxed MP4 containers, notoriously those produced by handbrake, sometimes require that you build a video seektable

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

iamlindoro: Already ahead of you

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

I have a script that usually does that for me

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

I ran it through this...

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

mencoder $INPUT -forceidx -oac copy -ovc copy -o $OUTPUT

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iamlindoro:

I meant a myth seektable

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

how would I build a seektable for a file I'm trying to play in Mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

use mythcommflag

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wagnerrp:

read the options, it explains what to use

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

Okay

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

Found it

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

Isn't helping.

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iamlindoro:

uhhh

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iamlindoro:

how coudl you possibly have finished yet?

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wagnerrp:

it should take at least a minute or two to run

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wagnerrp:

and it should fill the filemarkup table with information for that file

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

I ran mythcommflag --video filename and it took a few seconds.

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iamlindoro:

--rebuild

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

Still only took a few seconds

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

it just doesn't like this file

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

I'll just watch something else.

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wagnerrp:

get a copy of mp4box and remux it

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

iamlindoro: By the way, I heard you on the MythTVCast. Very informative.

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GadgetWisdomGur1:

I still don't understand the download function in MythNetVision though. Is it in the backend now, or slated to be moved to the backend?

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mrec:

hi, for any reason mythtv 0.24 plays back the video very slowly

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mrec:

mythtv 0.23 worked just perfectly

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mrec:

any idea what could be wrong?

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mrec:

I'm getting lots of those messages:

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mrec:

Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAALAAUAALAAA

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mrec:

there's no audio either

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kormoc:

did you rescan the audio?

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mrec:

rescan audio?

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mrec:

audio is on no TV channel

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mrec:

the channel list is newly scanned

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mrec:

I can imagine there's something wrong with the playback since video is usually synced against audio

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mrec:

but there's no audio at all

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mrec:

it's just silent

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mrec:

after killing mythfrontend the entire system audio seems to be muted

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kormoc:

in the frontend audio settings is a button to scan audio devices, just hit that and see if it fixed things

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mrec:

where is this? I was looking for something like that?

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kormoc:

I don't know and I'm not going to go menu by menu to find it for you

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mrec:

aah

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mrec:

found it

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mrec:

video is faster now yes

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mrec:

but I don't get any audio still

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mrec:

going to restart my system since I killed pulseaudio before

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wagnerrp:

you still dont want to use pulseaudio

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mrec:

got it

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jya:

kormoc: scanning for audio shouldn't be required really, the old audio configuration from 0.23 should still be working... There would have been issues before the recent backport were a working 5.1 analog would have only played in stereo, but that's all

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jya:

mrec: what output device are you using for audio ? what linux distribution are you using ?

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mrec:

alsa:pulse now that works

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jya:

mrec: and what did you configure in myth

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jya:

so I'm guessing you're using ubuntu ?

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mrec:

yes ubuntu

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mrec:

I just ran mythtvsetup, usually I just press return to step through the entire setup (not reading what shows up)

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mrec:

mythtv-setup*

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jya:

mythtv-setup doesn't configure the audio of your frontend

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jya:

mythtv-setup only sets your backend and recording options

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mrec:

I never did any setup with myth frontend before

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mrec:

that's new with 0.24

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jya:

it's never been new, configuration of the frontend has always been required. By default myth would set ALSA:default for playback device

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mrec:

that worked out of the box with 0.23 but not with 0.24

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jya:

but if you have pulse running, it's not going to work (and that device won't even exists in ubuntu)

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jya:

you must have installed or upgraded your OS as well, because this behaviour hasn't changed

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mrec:

I'm just using maverick ubuntu nothing else

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mrec:

I even dropped the mythtv database

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jya:

so you did upgrade ubuntu as well

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mrec:

I only added the ppa repositories of mythtv

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jya:

anyhow, you go into the settings -> general get to the audio page

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jya:

press scan device

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jya:

select an audio device

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mrec:

that's what I did

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jya:

if you don't care to be able to listen to other applications when mythtv is running

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jya:

I recommend that you do not use pulse, either the native driver (Pulse:default) or the ALSA pulse one: ( ALSA:pulse)

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mrec:

anyway good that it works

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jya:

use ALSA:blah that will show up

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mrec:

ALSA:pulse is selected now

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mrec:

Pulse:default was silent here

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jya:

sigh... ok whatever ,I give up

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mrec:

(but that might have been caused because I killed pulseaudio.. the default mythfrontend setting didn't work at all dvb-c video was very slow)

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mrec:

:-)

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mrec:

problem solved issue was audio

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mrec:

by the way some customers also reported that issue might be good to check this issue again

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kormoc:

mrec, it's in the release notes for 0.24 saying you *must* rescan and re-setup your audio for this release

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jya:

kormoc: he wouldn't have had sound with 0.23 either as ALSA:default doesn't exist if you have pulse running on ubuntu

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jya:

and that's the default device

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mrec:

audio worked fine with 0.23

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mrec:

kormoc: ubuntu didn't display any release notes when updating mythtv...

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kormoc:

mrec, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0. . . . Instructions

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mrec:

kormoc: isn't that a little bit complicated?

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jstenback:

is there a way to tell from the myth db when a show that was deleted at some point will actually be deleted from disk?

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wagnerrp:

the show is deleted immediately when you tell mythtv to delete it

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kormoc:

mrec, reading? not really. You're using irc which involves a lot of reading and writing

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mrec:

kormoc: I mean in general, why isn't audio autodetected?

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kormoc:

mrec, you'd have to take that up with the maintainer

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: um, no... it ends up in the deleted recgroup and stays there for the configured number of days

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mrec:

I'm sure other people will stumble over the same issue (unless ubuntu maintainers fix it up to use pulse correctly by default)

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wagnerrp:

IF you tell mythtv to move 'deleted' recordings to the Deleted group (not the default behavior), it will be deleted according to the auto-expire rules

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kormoc:

jstenback, you can turn that behavior off, or you can go into that group and delete there where it's deleted right away

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mrec:

good that it works though :)

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wagnerrp:

it will remain on your hard drive until you run out of space, and need to delete something to make room for new recordings

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jya:

mrec: the log would have displayed: invalid audio config blah when running the frontend

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mrec:

jya: also other problems

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kormoc:

and there's a screen in the FE that shows auto-expire order

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mrec:

buffer issues with the video device

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mrec:

many more of those issues

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jstenback:

kormoc: ah, ok, so deleting in the deleted group deletes right away, cool

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jstenback:

thanks!

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mrec:

they are gone now since audio is okay

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: I see, thanks

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you there?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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[R]:

wagnerrp: the python bindings dont work if the password is blank

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wagnerrp:

... password?

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wagnerrp:

mysql password?

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[R]:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

can you pastebin your config.xml?

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[R]:

http://pastebin.ca/2005196

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[R]:

i tried it with <DBPassword /> also

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wagnerrp:

[R]: are you running 0.24 or trunk?

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[R]:

0.24

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wagnerrp:

can you try ... from MythTV.connection import DBConnection; DBConnection({'DBUserName':'mythtv', 'DBHostName':'localhost', 'DBPassword':None, 'DBName':'mythconverg', 'DBPort':3306})

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[R]:

one sec

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castlec1:

anyone available to help with hello world plugin compile?

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castlec1:

/usr/local/include/mythtv/mythdbcon.h:4:24: error: QSqlDatabase: No such file or

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castlec1:

directory

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ImportError: No module named connection

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre not even running 0.24

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[R]:

i am...

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wagnerrp:

mythpython --version

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[R]:

http://pastebin.ca/2005266

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[R]:

i see a connections...

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wagnerrp:

oh, right

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wagnerrp:

from MythTV.connections import DBConnection

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[R]:

MythTV.exceptions.MythDBError: Failed to connect to database at 'mythconverg'@'localhost'for user 'myth' with password 'None'.

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[R]:

yes, the user is supposed to be myth

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castlec1:

here's my complete compile log http://pastebin.ca/2005271

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clever:

i seem to remember the mysql client will react very differently if you give it the password '' or dont give any at all

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clever:

the python libs may do the same

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iamlindoro:

castlec1, You aren't going to get very far compiling any part of myth without Qt development libraries

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wagnerrp:

clever: yeah, seems ill need to do special handling for no password

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castlec1:

iamlindoro, pretty sure I had everything. configure wouldn't have picked it up otherwise, would it?

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iamlindoro:

castlec1, You don't have everything-- you don't even have enough to compile basic myth, let alone a plugin

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castlec1:

:) wonderful

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iamlindoro:

And no, configure will not check for you

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iamlindoro:

Since you are on ubuntu, I suggest a apt-get build-dep mythtv

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castlec1:

learn something new every day. I wasn't aware of the build-dep command

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clever:

wagnerrp: maybe try 'DBPassword':NULL first

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castlec1:

thank you sir :)

[04:23:41]

iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

castlec1, For future reference, unless the question is directly related to development of code that's a part of myth, please start here-- basic build issues definitely belong here

[04:25:19]

castlec1:

ok. np. i tried to follow a build doc for ubuntu that was severely outdated from the wiki. i expected problems but was hoping

[04:25:45]

Beirdo:

OK, here goes fun.

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Beirdo:

just split the MythSystem stuff up so we can splice in a Windows-only portion

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Beirdo:

here's hoping I didn't break it in the process :)

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biffhero:

release-notes for .24 says "Enable device scan for DirectX audio settings (Windows build) http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26251" <<< I didn't realize there really was a windows build. hrm...

[04:35:28]

wagnerrp:

there has been a windows frontend for several releases now

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castlec1:

iamlindoro, make completes from the plugin directory. i'm still not able to build the example mythhello plugin. which plugin would you suggest i study?

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biffhero:

that's awesome.

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wagnerrp:

weve also been supplying windows binaries for just as long as we have linux and OSX binaries

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[R]:

wagnerrp: HAHA

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** biffhero goes off in search of binaries **

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wagnerrp:

that was a joke, mythtv does not distribute binaries for either

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biffhero:

I didn't think so. Had to 2x check. "we have chosen not to distribute pre-compiled binary versions of MythTV"

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biffhero:

the link that was pasted here the other night was "http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Windows", not "http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Windows_Port"

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biffhero:

so you can see why I thought there was much leg-pulling going on.

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wagnerrp:

its not a port

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wagnerrp:

a port implies a separate branch or fork for the windows build

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wagnerrp:

the code will directly compile under windows

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Beirdo:

well, in mingw

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Beirdo:

I pity the fool who tries to use VC++

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[R]:

i thought the 'show genre colors' was removed

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: down to 350 lines in mythsystem.cpp :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but theres probably going to be 800 lines in each of two other files

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Beirdo:

mind you, system-unix.cpp is 891 lines

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

891... whoops, 891+350 >> 1000

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Beirdo:

and working

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wagnerrp:

:P

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[R]:

bleh

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[R]:

i could have sworn my myth used to play 4:3 content autostretched

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[R]:

but it looks like all the settings are the same

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Beirdo:

so, when you're ready for the windows fun...

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Beirdo:

I also put the settings into a map

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wagnerrp:

[R]: that only happens automatically when using the ffmpeg decoder

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[R]:

but i've been using vdpau for like ever

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: updates are in git?

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Beirdo:

as I didn't want to create like 20 wrappers to get each flipping setting

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Beirdo:

yes

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wagnerrp:

[R]: auto-scaling has never worked with VDPAU

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Beirdo:

almost certainly will need a git pull origin +mythsystem-rewrite:mythsystem-rewrite

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[R]:

than am i on crack or something

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Gibby:

on a frontend, under the Previosly Recorded menu, the far left icon, what does it mean when it is a grey X?

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[R]:

Gibby: you're going to have to be a little more descriptive... seeing as we have no clue what theme you are using

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Gibby:

[R], i keep forgetting about that., basically I am trying to figure out why a recording didn't record

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Beirdo:

it's been an exhausting long weekend

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Beirdo:

hahah. grounded mike is belligerantly top-posting

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ill top post against myself if i want!

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Beirdo:

I'll top-post my foot on his head

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wagnerrp:

watching top gear, theyre talking about how much 'power per liter' the evolution has

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wagnerrp:

... they dont seem to be mentioning the only reason it only has 2 liters is WRC regulations

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[R]:

liter of what?

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wagnerrp:

cola

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

gimme a liter of cola

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wagnerrp:

i bet he spit on your burger

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** [R] contemplates making some magic happen so he can boot his old myth to check the 4:3 content **

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[R]:

blah

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Beirdo:

well, watched like 42 episodes of Bones

[05:27:27]

Beirdo:

make that 49

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Beirdo:

heh

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[R]:

i have 222 episodes of family guy in my oldrecorded table

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Beirdo:

I had 56 of em... down to 7

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[R]:

must be all of them

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kormoc:

I only have 154

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kormoc:

The SImpsons is my top by a large margin with 487

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[R]:

theres more than 222

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[R]:

it must be counting generics or something

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[R]:

there less than*

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Shadow__X:

is 30 watts per hard drive a good estimate when figuring out the size of a power supply?

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Shadow__X:

or is that too high

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wagnerrp:

for spinup, thats a decent estimate

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digi_N810:

hello

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: ok great thanks. i am building a machine that will have a few drives and want to avoid delayed spin

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digi_N810:

I'm using some regular hard drives in RAID5 with hard drive power down, spin up is a few seconds but we are patient

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digi_N810:

any ideas why movie trailers placed in ../trailers aren't playing with mythvideo 'play trailers' option?

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wagnerrp:

../trailers?

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digi_N810:

yes, the directory corresponding to mythtv and mythvideo 'Trailers'

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: as a reference point, my (fairly nice) 650W PSU is slightly underpowered for my 13 hard drives

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wagnerrp:

digi_N810: when you defined the path as '../trailers'?

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digi_N810:

no

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wagnerrp:

'../' means its relative to the current directory, one level down

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wagnerrp:

relative to what?

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digi_N810:

........./trailers :)

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

all the places that are checking the exit values of myth_system...

[07:12:09]

Beirdo:

now use GENERIC_EXIT_OK

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Beirdo:

instead of implicit 0 checks

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Beirdo:

much more obvious what's going on

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: hmm so how do they power these over 16 bay hotswap cases

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digi_N810:

there are videos in the appropriate 'Trailers' directory, setting to play trailers is enabled. I tried doing a media scan before playing a movie, still just plays the movie, no trailers :/

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: with a big PSU and staggered startup

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wagnerrp:

digi_N810: you enabled trailer playback, right?

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digi_N810:

in mythvideo's settings? yes

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digi_N810:

3 trailers should play

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: ah ok is there any raid cards that you prefer. I have heard decent things about areca

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digi_N810:

i'm guessing the trailers need to be associated with a movie and not just in a directory

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wagnerrp:

ive got an areca right now

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wagnerrp:

but i intend to just buy a dumb controller card and use ZFS

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[R]:

grrrr

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[R]:

my 128mb usb stick isn't big enough

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[R]:

(that's what she said)

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: ah ok. I have heard of good things about zfs and plan to try it out

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: how do i figure out the appropriate size of ram on the raid card

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wagnerrp:

i honestly wouldnt worry about it

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Shadow__X:

even if i plan to have around 8 2tb drives?

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wagnerrp:

does the difference between 400MB/s and 500MB/s really matter for your purposes?

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Shadow__X:

nope but thanks for the help

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Shadow__X:

i didnt think it would only really just reduce the throughput

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[R]:

"Leaving my MythTV server on 24/7 wastes electricity, but I don't want to forget to turn it on to record programmes. I wrote this to make it easy to keep track of upcoming recordings."

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[R]:

that seems pretty stupid

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Shadow__X:

[R]: what was wrong with the automatic way to turn the be on when it has a schedule planned?

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[R]:

Shadow__X: nothing... exactly my point

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: cache memory will make a big difference on parallel write performance

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Shadow__X:

oh ok is that why for bigger deployments they use ssds as cache for zfs

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wagnerrp:

no, they use SSDs for ZFS for their version of journalling

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[R]:

wagnerrp: your mythremctl.py managed to crash my frontend... it was pretty legendary

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, youre right... you can offload the ARC cache to an SSD

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i thought they did cache for it but, i did forget about the journalling

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt use journalling

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Shadow__X:

oh so just for cache then?

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Shadow__X:

or for their version of journalling as you had said

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wagnerrp:

since its copy-on-write

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wagnerrp:

it writes the data to disk

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wagnerrp:

and only once its done, it shifts the link to the new location

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Shadow__X:

so it has to hold that information in the meantime

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wagnerrp:

the ARC is basically ZFSs form of the linux disk cache

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wagnerrp:

128GB of memory is very expensive

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wagnerrp:

but if you get an SSD and use it for a second stage cache, its a lot faster than pulling straight off the disk array

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Shadow__X:

ah yes

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Diverdude:

Does anybody know if this guy: http://www.cetoncorp.com/products.php May be used in a linux machine somehow?

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** [R] just keeps on laughin **

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: its in the works

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Diverdude:

[R], it just says "Works with any U.S. cable provider" Does not say it ONLY works with US cable provider

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wagnerrp:

erm... yeah....

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you cant use it in denmark

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wagnerrp:

in denmark, you want a DVB-C card

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Shadow__X:

is it honestly in the works?

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wagnerrp:

optionally one with a CI slot

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[R]:

Shadow__X: only copy-freely stuff

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[R]:

Shadow__X: i dont see the point

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: yes, that is one of the purposes of the mythtv-rec branch

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i see...ok... What would i need the CI slot for?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: apparently comcast broadcasts most of their non-premium stuff copy-freely

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[R]:

oh really?

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[R]:

lame

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wagnerrp:

so that it works properly with tivo multi-room stuff

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: CI cards are for encrypted content

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, happage only offers dual tuners at most right?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i never aw a hauppage quad-tuner

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Diverdude:

aw=saw

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen anything more than a dual tuner for anything other than cablecard gear

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, do you know if there exists a blackbox like HDHomerun (which for some reason no longer is sold) which does nothing but broadcast the DVB-C input on the local area network, so that i may connect with a television or computer and stream the incoming signal?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, broadcast it using wifi

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to do HD over wifi

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, its mostly going to be SD

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wagnerrp:

the only network attached tuner ive heard of capable of DVB-C is the netceiver

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, Also i found this card: http://www.digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/Quad.html (But maybe that only works in australia? )

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wagnerrp:

DVB-T is DVB-T is DVB-T

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wagnerrp:

it should work anywhere that uses DVB-T

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Shadow__X:

i love it when comcast dns servers stop respoinding

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[R]:

so use google dns

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Shadow__X:

i did while they got their act straight

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Beirdo:

why change back?

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Shadow__X:

i honestly have not thought about switching dns until now

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, why is it a bad idea to stream hd over wifi? What would happen?

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wagnerrp:

lack of bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

lack of reliability

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wagnerrp:

just a bad idea in general

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: how could you tell when you needed to add staggered boot for your drives

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: when my RAID card sat for over a minute on boot waiting for the hard drives to come online

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Diverdude:

so will the picture lag or get pixel errors?

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wagnerrp:

where if i manually stagger it, it boots up in about 10 seconds

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Shadow__X:

oh ok thanks. Sorry if some of these questions sound a bit off, i have never used a hardware raid card or have built a system with such a large amount of drives. Thank you for the help and info

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: if you cannot maintain the bandwidth reliably, you cannot play the video reliably

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Shadow__X:

Diverdude: the video wont play properly

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wagnerrp:

my raid card does support staggered startup, but it never seemed to work properly

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wagnerrp:

i could watch the activity lights on my hotswap cages light up sequentially as it turns them on

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wagnerrp:

but it would always stall

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Shadow__X:

oh ok that makes sense then

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wagnerrp:

while if i manually powered up each hard drive on boot, it worked just fine

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wagnerrp:

i dropped several hard drives to get it to run more stably, but i still cant get it to boot reliably

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Shadow__X:

so when you say manually powered them up you mean from the raid controller or by plugging in the drives themselves

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wagnerrp:

i mean my hotswap caddies have individual power buttons

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wagnerrp:

i hit the power on the system, and then i ran down the line of drives and manually powered them on

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Shadow__X:

oh ok thats neat

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wagnerrp:

its annoying to do every time i reboot

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wagnerrp:

but its not like its something i do often

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Shadow__X:

right

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** wagnerrp heads to bed **

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Shadow__X:

see ya and thanks again

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, do you have a netceiver?

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kenni:

Diverdude, why couldn't you buy a HDHomerun?

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Diverdude:

kenni, its not for sale :(

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Diverdude:

kenni, i cannot buy it

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kenni:

? I bought one last week...I'm in Denmark

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Diverdude:

kenni, ohh from the homepage?

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kenni:

yep

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kenni:

http://www.silicondust.com/wheretobuy/eu/

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Diverdude:

yes then you press europe and get directed to http://www.hdhomerun.net/

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kenni:

you're right, they have removed it from the page

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kenni:

damn

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kenni:

I should have waited after all...I just couldn't see any indication that they would do a EU version of the new Prime

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Diverdude:

but they dont write anything about what or when they are going to put something else

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kenni:

no, I can see that

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Diverdude:

kenni, you are lucky you got one

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kenni:

Diverdude, I'm not sure...obsolete could mean unsupported if something breaks

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Diverdude:

kenni, well...at least you have something that can be used...now nothing can be bought

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Diverdude:

kenni, hehe and when you try to call their phone you get their fax

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Diverdude:

kenni, are you interested in selling your hd homerun?

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kenni:

Diverdude, mm-vision.dk still have them

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k-man:

any tips on getting tv-out going for an ati radeon card? (it was working fine, then i upgraded debian and now it doesn't)

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eyeoh:

time for http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Testing_your_DVB_device again

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Diverdude:

just to make absolutely sure. The HD Homerun is just supposed to have DVB-C in and ethernet out and nothing else right? I can put it away in a closet and never have to see it again, and use for example a boxee box or playstation or whatever to connect to HDHomerun IP and stream tv signal right? So no remote control or anything for the HDHomerun box itsel right?

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: no, the HDHR is DVB-T, not -C

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, hmmm here: http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr-eu/ it says TV sources: DVB-T digital TV (antenna) and DVB-C unencrypted digital cable TV.

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wagnerrp:

huh... i guess it will do DVB-C

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wagnerrp:

i had thought it was -T only

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wagnerrp:

anyway, if you need decryption, it wont accept a CAM

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wagnerrp:

if you dont, should work great

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Saviq:

Diverdude: it won't work directly to boxee or PS, though

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Saviq:

you'd need a UPnP/DLNA AV MediaServer that will bridge the HDHR for you (which MythTV does)

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wagnerrp:

which wont bridge livetv, only recordings

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Diverdude:

huh, so mythTV wont work with hdhomerun?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, it says on their homepage hdhomerun is compatible with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will work just fine with an HDHR

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, HDHR = HDHomeRun?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

he was saying that neither boxee nor the playstation can talk to the HDHR

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wagnerrp:

neither of which have anything to do with mythtv

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i guess mythTV can be installed on boxee box?

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wagnerrp:

depends on how locked down that system is

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wagnerrp:

not that you would want to try anyway

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wagnerrp:

the boxee box is just an ugly, obtrusive case around an underpowered Atom processor

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, why not? i mean then it can run signal from HDHR

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wagnerrp:

a master backend should not be run on an atom

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, master backend?

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wagnerrp:

and were you to use an atom for playback, you would want one with nvidia graphics (ion)

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not just a single computer application, it is a networked system

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wagnerrp:

encompassing multiple backends (for recording) and multiple frontends (for playback) attached through the network

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pcuser:

hello and good afternoon

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, I have a machine with GeForce 7300 LE and Genuine Intel(R) CPU 2140 @ 1.60GHz with 1 GB RAM. I was planning to use that as storage server as well as backend server. Is that insane?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, and let it stream from the HDHR

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Diverdude:

and have forexample boxee box as frontend

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Diverdude:

or maybe ps3

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Saviq:

Diverdude: not insane, but might be too slow at times

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Saviq:

and what wagnerrp said – you'll only be able to watch recordings with the PS3

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pcuser:

does anyone can help regarding the imdb on mythbuntu (10.10) ? Could not resolve the problem for gettng informations onb videos. Also I could not find the proper answer.

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pcuser:

primary and secondary backend are working fine and the only thing is the information's field on every video.

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pcuser:

do not want to fill them out manually

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pcuser:

does anyone can give me a sign for the direction where I can search the problem?

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Diverdude:

Saviq, and for SD? Would it also be slow for SD?

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Saviq:

Diverdude: SD / HD doesn't really matter for the backend

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Diverdude:

Saviq, so would you recommend an upgrade?

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Saviq:

Diverdude: well, I would recommend you to try it out

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Saviq:

it might just cut it for your needs

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Saviq:

pcuser: and what's your problem exactly? doesn't 'Download metadata' work for you?

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Saviq:

pcuser: or do you mean you have many videos (e.g. first import?) that you want to get metadata for?

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Diverdude:

Saviq, so putting HDHR on the DVB-C in, connect it to the router using ethernet cable. My backend server is running ubuntu 10.10, so that would also be my storage server, and then from my frontend stream it using wifi.

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Diverdude:

Saviq, storage/backend is connected to router using a ethernet cable also

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Saviq:

Diverdude: I myself don't trust wifi but then again it might just work for you

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Saviq:

you won't know until you try

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Diverdude:

Saviq, but would that in theory work this setup?

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Saviq:

yes, in theory

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Saviq:

btw, what frontend do you intend to use? just a PS3?

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pcuser:

-> saviq – It seems that the script is not working. When I check the properties on the webinterface I have the following properties : web_video_imdb_type 0 IMDB and web_video_imdb_path = "empty". But the I do not know which script I should enter.

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Saviq:

if you don't intend to use a MythTV frontend, be sure to have mythweb on the backend to schedule recordings etc.

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Diverdude:

Saviq, I am not really sure about this yet....I was thinking PS3 for one of the televisions since i want some gaming console anyway

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Saviq:

pcuser: why do you use the webinterface and not mythfrontend?

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Diverdude:

Saviq, i have 2 TV's, a laptop and an iphone from which i would like to be able to access the backend server

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Saviq:

Diverdude: define 'access'

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Diverdude:

Saviq, and as said the backend server should then connect to HDHR to obtain the DVB-C signal

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Saviq:

that should not be problem

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Saviq:

+a

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Diverdude:

Saviq, access as in streaming TV from the DVB-C which originates from HDHR. Also streaming music and video files (avi,mpeg etc)

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Diverdude:

Saviq, i guess mythTV comes with some sort of menu system i can browse through using some remote control right?

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Diverdude:

Saviq, where i can eg. browse channels available on the DVB-C

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Saviq:

Diverdude: that's mythfrontend

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Saviq:

Diverdude: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythFrontend

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Diverdude:

Saviq, yes ok....and that can be run on ps3 or xbox?

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Saviq:

no

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Saviq:

how would it?

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Diverdude:

Saviq, right ok...i figured there maybe would be possibilites for user programs or something like that

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Saviq:

well, on xbox probably (when linux is installed on it, IIRC)

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xamul:

hi everybody

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Saviq:

Diverdude: for the PS3 you'd be able to use UPnP/DLNA to stream _recordings_

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Saviq:

not live tv

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pcuser:

-> Saviq, could be that I am blind. I have checked the configuration on the mythfrontend and there I do not see any tab for the metadata.

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pcuser:

german interface

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Diverdude:

Saviq, aha...and would it be possible to somehow fake a recording by streaming to disc first and then accept a certain delay?

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Saviq:

pcuser: somewhere in settings > media > video

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xamul:

i need some suggestions on how to best manage volume control on mythv with my remote

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Saviq:

Diverdude: that's what Myth does internally, but that's not exposed over UPnP

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Saviq:

Diverdude: you'd have to use e.g. mythweb to schedule recordings and those would be available over UPnP

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xamul:

i would like to ba able to show volume gauge and control volume even without having to turn on tv, video, music ore something else

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pcuser:

ok, I am blind :-) The settng was TheMovieDB API v2 Query. I try the others which are included. Thanks meanwhile :-)

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xamul:

to manage this i made a bash shell script that handels volume, to show the volume level i tellnet to the mythlcd

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xamul:

this works if i'm not in video or tv mode

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Diverdude:

Saviq, aha....so i would schedule a recording fro the program i am wathing?

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Diverdude:

watching

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Saviq:

you want to watch, yes

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xamul:

because when i'm in video or tv mode the lcd doesn't switch back to tv mode

[13:43:01]

xamul:

can somebody help me?

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Diverdude:

Saviq, and automatically deleted when its done if i just want to keep the TV running

[13:43:58]

Saviq:

it will delete when hard drive space is low by default

[13:44:22]

Saviq:

and not sure what you mean 'keep the tv running'

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Saviq:

when the recording is done, it will just stop

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Diverdude:

Saviq, well i mean sometimes im just having the tv running while im doing other stuff...just for entertainment...but i dont want to record it

[13:45:40]

Diverdude:

Saviq, or if i am forexample watching the news i dont want to record it

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Saviq:

Diverdude: that's live tv, and no, it won't work over UPnP or streamed from mythweb

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Diverdude:

Saviq, usually i just wanna watch..i dont wanna record actually

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Saviq:

that's something that will only work with theMythTV frontend

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Diverdude:

Saviq, so what would i need for streaming liveTV=

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Saviq:

use mythfrontend

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Diverdude:

Saviq, and what does thatrun on? boxee box?

[13:47:09]

Diverdude:

Saviq, or do i need to build a computer myself

[13:47:09]

Saviq:

linux

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Diverdude:

Saviq, is it an demanding application?

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Saviq:

not much in itself, video playback is demanding and that's why wagnerrp mentioned the nVidia ION that has hardware acceleration of video decoding

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Diverdude:

Saviq, would an eeebox (http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/eeebox/en/index.html) work for that?

[13:48:50]

Saviq:

yes, but one with the ION would be preferred

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Diverdude:

so basically every front end needs ION?

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Saviq:

if you want livetv, you need mythfrontend and something that's able to decompress video – be it a fast CPU (the Atom would probably work for SD content) or a GPU with accelerated video (e.g. ION or a GeForce 8400+)

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Diverdude:

Saviq, right ok...quite costly

[13:51:48]

Saviq:

Diverdude: to be honest once you get Myth you start to drop livetv

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Diverdude:

Saviq, why is that?

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Saviq:

'cause it will record so much stuff you actually want to watch you won't have time for livetv

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Saviq:

once you set up some recording rules

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Diverdude:

Saviq, recording rules?

[13:52:47]

Saviq:

Diverdude: you really need to read the wiki...

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Saviq:

it's all there

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kenni:

Diverdude, you can start with http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.1

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Saviq:

Myth allows you to set up rules like 'record that every day' or 'every week' or 'any time you'll find it'

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Saviq:

and it will

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Diverdude:

yeah ok

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Saviq:

depending on the quality of your EPG data it will only record new stuff

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Saviq:

*might only record new stuff

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Diverdude:

Saviq, EPG data?

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Saviq:

depending on how you set it up

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Saviq:

Diverdude: google

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Saviq:

Diverdude: and once you stop using livetv at all, you'll be fine with any UPnP/DLNA-enabled media player

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pcuser:

Saviq – I have tried all of them out. Could it be that the script is not touching any existing video? Cause TV streams get the metadata. Any idea where I can search additional?

[13:55:51]

Saviq:

be it a PS3, a Samsung TV etc.

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Saviq:

pcuser: did you actually issue the 'Download metadata' or pressed W when in video mode?

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Saviq:

btw, tv streams get the metadata off the air or from a different place than videos

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pcuser:

ok, try this out. And thanks for the information on the TV metas.

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Saviq:

pcuser: if you want all your videos to have metadata downloaded for them, google jamu

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Saviq:

and 0.24 will download it automatically, but in 0.23 and older you need to manually trigger the download

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Saviq:

or use jamu

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Saviq:

(carefully)

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Diverdude:

UPnP/DLNA media player can be used to playback mp3, avi files, mpeg etc?

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Saviq:

depending on it's capabilities

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Saviq:

UPnP/DLNA doesn't care about the format

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Saviq:

your media player and server need to agree on one of the profiles that both support

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Saviq:

in the ultimate case the media server might transcode stuff into something the player will be able to play

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Saviq:

but that's something you want to avoid

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pcuser:

Saviq – Ok – press W did it. Is there any chance to grab the german texts? For me it is not the problem, but others in the family do have a problem with it. :-)

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Saviq:

pcuser: you'd have to modify the scripts in question

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Saviq:

they're usually in /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts or similar

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Saviq:

pcuser: also, themoviedb only recently got language support and I'm not sure if the script actually cares

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pcuser:

thanks. the path is what I have needed.

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pcuser:

I will check this

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kenni:

does anyone know if MythTV has known problems with playback of MPEG1 video? Eg. is MPEG1 unsupported in current versions of MythTV? I have a number of clips which doesn't run, and if it's not intentionally, then it seems to be a regression.

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kenni:

the clips does play with ffplay etc.

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iamlindoro:

kenni, Sounds like a regression. If you are on current trunk, it's likely related to danielk's recent ringbuffer/probe changes

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kenni:

iamlindoro, no, 0.24-fixes

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iamlindoro:

Entirely possible it's still ringbuffer related, but you should test with current trunk as there are codec probe changes there

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kenni:

ok, will do

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kenni:

thanks

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Diverdude:

kenni, hey, how are you using your HDHR?

[15:27:31]

kenni:

Diverdude, I'm not, I haven't unpacked it yet

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Diverdude:

kenni, heh ok....how do you plan to use it?

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Diverdude:

You have a flatscreen?

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Diverdude:

with a mythTV frontend

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kenni:

what do you mean? It's a tuner?

[15:28:21]

kenni:

yep, a backand and multiple frontends

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Diverdude:

So what is your backend?

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kenni:

...MythTV

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Diverdude:

yes but which Hardware

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kenni:

Core i5, 8GB DDR3 RAM, 4x2TB HDD

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Diverdude:

aha, so packed in a mini ATX?

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Diverdude:

what frontend do you have for your flatscreen TV?

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Diverdude:

Hardware

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kenni:

no...in a tower chasis with hot pluggable disks

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Diverdude:

kenni, isn't it quite noisy and consumes a lot of power?

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sid3windr:

it's a backend

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sid3windr:

so noisy can't be a problem ;)

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Diverdude:

hehehe i guess so if you have a basement :D

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kenni:

naa, it's doing tons of other stuff besides being a backend...and the power consumption is not bad at all. The CPU is 73watt TDP, the HDDs are some power-saving 5400–5900rpm ones, the power supply is quite effective (~90%?), etc.

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kenni:

Zotac IONITX for frontends, completely passive, no HDD, boots with PXE+iSCSI

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sid3windr:

=) sounds like the setup here

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sid3windr:

except I have 7200rpm disks in the server :)

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kenni:

:) I had 7200rpm 750GB in it before last upgrade

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kenni:

that would be 4x750GB in RAID5

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Diverdude:

kenni, sounds really nice....The Zotac IONITX do they come as ready made boxes?

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kenni:

no, it's just a board...if you get the -A model (I think), it will have an external "brick" power supply included (like the ones you use for laptops)

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kenni:

you still need to buy some RAM and a chassis

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Diverdude:

kenni, i see...which chassis does it fit in?

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Diverdude:

kenni, so the Zotac IONITX is basically a motherboard with integrated GPU and CPU ?

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kenni:

I think it will fit everywhere...it's mini ATX or something similar

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kenni:

yep, it's a (crappy) Intel Atom, but with a ION chipset...which makes it capable of playing 1080p HD

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Diverdude:

kenni, well its neat....cuz its low noise and low power consumption

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kenni:

I think the Zotac board uses somewhere around 25watt when it's turned on, so it's quite power friendly

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Diverdude:

kenni, so you are running a linux on those frontends?

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kenni:

yep, and not even low noise...zero noise :)

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kenni:

yep

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Diverdude:

kenni, but it had no HDD?

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Diverdude:

how do you install mythTV and linux with no HDD

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kenni:

PXE+iSCSI

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kenni:

over the network

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Diverdude:

kenni, how does that work?

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peque:

Hey List..... I'm having a problem with updating my mythDB – keeps coming with this error – have anybody a clue to get on ???? http://pastebin.com/fw11xVp3

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Diverdude:

kenni, its fetching linux from the backend or?

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kenni:

Diverdude, yep, the "HDD" on the frontend is a LVM LV (or just a simple image on an existent partition) on the server

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kenni:

mounted via iSCSI

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Diverdude:

kenni, and the mount happens automatically on startup?

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kenni:

nope, I'm chainloading gPXE after my regular PXE boot...anyway, you don't want to go there on your first setup...buy a regular HDD, a SSD or a flash card+adaptor for your frontend

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kenni:

well, it does mount automatically in my setup, but it's something you need to set up

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Diverdude:

kenni, why did you not choose just to have SSD in your frontends?

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kenni:

because the frontends only need 15GB of HDD, because the backends don't need the speed of a SSD and because a have plenty of HDD space and power on by backend server

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kenni:

so no need to buy an expensive SSD

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Diverdude:

kenni, right...after boot the HDD is not used anyway i guess...its only for booting right?

[15:52:39]

kenni:

no, it's for the whole operating system (including the frontend)

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Diverdude:

hmm i see...so a Zotac IONITX, a mini ATX and 2 GB DDR3 RAM together with an SSD disc running ubuntu+ mythtv-frontend should be good enough for a frontend?

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Diverdude:

kenni, that was for you :D

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sid3windr:

Diverdude: btw zotac also has a finished product, as in, a chassis with board etc and power brick

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kenni:

yep, I can't remember if it uses DDR2 or DDR3 RAM, but yes, it sounds very good

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Diverdude:

sid3windr, oh, which product is that?

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sid3windr:

I have no idea

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kenni:

sid3windr, I'm pretty sure that it got a fan though...so it's not passive

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kenni:

anyway, I gotta go..

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sid3windr:

yea

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sid3windr:

quite possible that it has a fan

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sid3windr:

as it was a very flat box

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Diverdude:

kenni, how much is the cost for such a system more or less

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jams:

sid3windr- this what yout talking about? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 07-_-Product

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sid3windr:

I had http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . C-_-56173004 in mind

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dustybin:

will mythtv be compatible with centos 6 ?

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** dustybin thinks of fedora frontends and centos 6 backends **

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jarle:

If I only have program data for some part of the day, will the EIT scanner add programs to program slots without any data, or will it check and see that it has already got some data for the day and not add data for the empty slots?

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splashd:

It looks like mythtv's default way to export video is pretty much mythexport. It works fine for me using the default, but can someone explain how I create a .pm to export an XVID .avi?

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Solaris444:

Hi all. I'm having trouble with one of the new Vista MCE remotes.

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Solaris444:

The ones made by SMK.

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Solaris444:

I plug it in and it just continually flashes.

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Solaris444:

I have no way of telling if it is receiving my keypresses.

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Solaris444:

Starting irw and pressing the keys on the remote gives no output.

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Solaris444:

Has anyone had any luck setting these up?

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: is CentOS 6 going to continue being linux?

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wagnerrp:

jarle: you should never mix XMLTV and EIT data on the same channels

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wagnerrp:

splashd,

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wagnerrp:

splashd: mythexport is a 3rd party utility, if there were a default way to export video in mythtv, it would likely be nuvexport

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Chiwauwa:

Hi

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Chiwauwa:

I'm stuggling with my standalone backend. It starts and stops automatically .. but sometimes it gets stucked in Grub ... any good suggestions on how to debug this. I don't know why it presents the grub menu from time to time.

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Chiwauwa:

Running Ubuntu 10.10 and 0.24

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Chiwauwa:

But doubt it has something to do with Myth.

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Solaris444:

stuck in grub?

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Solaris444:

so it doesn't boot?

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: i was always told to stay away from centos for mythtv use

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Solaris444:

does anyone know how I can tell whether my receiver is actually picking up signals?

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jams:

Solaris444- run mode2

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jams:

that will give you the raw signal. docs are on the lirc website

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jams:

also if that light is constantly flashing it probably means it's picking up signals from your monitor or overhead lighting

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jams:

in other words try relocating it. Also a fun fact, if you place scotch tape over the receiver it sometimes stops it from picking up stray signals but still lets the remote signal through.

[17:59:37]

Solaris444:

jams: thanks, but what do you mean by "run mode2"

[18:00:06]

jams:

mode2 it's an app provided with lirc

[18:00:09]

Solaris444:

did you mean that i should type in "lircd run mode2" on the command line?

[18:00:49]

Solaris444:

well what's interesting is that my system has loaded module lirc_mceusb, but supposedly, this model remote should be running with lirc_mceusb2 now.

[18:02:09]

Solaris444:

ahh ok

[18:02:26]

Solaris444:

well it definitely isn't interference.

[18:02:34]

Solaris444:

I just covered the damn thing with a blanket.

[18:02:37]

Solaris444:

Still doing it.

[18:02:41]

Solaris444:

It's a steady flashing.

[18:02:53]

jams:

hehe, well thats one way of checking for interference

[18:03:01]

Solaris444:

The remote flashes like that when you first plug it in on windows.

[18:03:07]

Solaris444:

But it stops after 7 or so flashes.

[18:03:14]

Solaris444:

It's like it's caught in a loop.

[18:03:28]

jams:

i don't know, don't use mce receivers

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splashd:

wagnerrp, thanks--I'm using mythbuntu (I'm lazy), and they don't include nuvexport any more. I guess I'll just grab from the SVN repo and use it as in the past

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Solaris444:

what do you use?

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Solaris444:

cos I can't find anything else.

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: youve been told to stay away from centos because they use an old kernel, old versions of qt, old versions of python, old versions of other dependencies...

[18:05:28]

wagnerrp:

centos 6 will be current for a year or so

[18:05:43]

wagnerrp:

after which you can go back to manually installing all those updated dependencies

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splashd:

Solaris444, I use a Streamzap--never had a problem.

[18:13:29]

Solaris444:

oh, I don't suppose you have a link to the one you use splashd?

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Solaris444:

jams, I started mode2. Now what? Should I be seeing something on the screen?

[18:14:24]

wagnerrp:

are you pressing buttons on the remote?

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jams:

what wagnerrp said

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Solaris444:

yes.

[18:15:18]

Solaris444:

I am.

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wagnerrp:

mode2 lets you see the raw data output by the lirc driver

[18:15:35]

jams:

if it's working then you should see output

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Solaris444:

I had to create a symlink between /dev/lirc and /dev/lircd though.

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wagnerrp:

before it gets processed by lircd and multiplexed out to whatever application wants it

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Solaris444:

because mode2 wouldn't start initially.

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt do any such thing

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Solaris444:

oh, ok.

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wagnerrp:

are you currently running lircd?

[18:16:02]

Solaris444:

yes.

[18:16:14]

Solaris444:

I started it with /etc/init.d/lirc start

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wagnerrp:

mode2 and lircd cannot run at the same time

[18:16:20]

Solaris444:

ah.

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wagnerrp:

they both hit the low level devices directlyu

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Chiwauwa:

Solaris444, stuck in grub as in 'waiting for the user to make a selection and press enter'

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Solaris444:

ok, stopped lircd

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Solaris444:

Chiwauwa, so what happens when you make a selection?

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Solaris444:

and started mode2

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Solaris444:

after making a symlink from /dev/lirc -> /dev/lirc0

[18:19:55]

Solaris444:

that seems to give me output.

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Chiwauwa:

Then it boots fine ... I do not have a monitor attached but tried that a couple of days ago, when it was 'stucked'. Right now I have a keyboard hooked up to the machine ... so I'm just blindly pressing enter.

[18:22:38]

Solaris444:

ok, perhaps you should actually have a monitor on the machine Chiwauwa

[18:22:44]

Solaris444:

you can't diagnose much without that.

[18:22:52]

Chiwauwa:

Solaris444, :-)

[18:23:13]

Solaris444:

OK, so mode2 gives me output using my older MCE Remote, but NOT using the Vista MCE Remote.

[18:25:26]

Chiwauwa:

Solaris444, yes, but it doesn't happen every time ... last time when I hooked up a monitor it started working ... not that it has something to do with it.

[18:26:11]

Solaris444:

then you'll just have to leave the monitor attached until you can see what's really going on.

[18:26:15]

biffhero:

Chiwauwa: you sure it's at grub prompt, not at "F1: missing keyboard" error?

[18:26:30]

biffhero:

I agree with solaris444. W/o a monitor, there's not a whole lot to do.

[18:26:34]

Chiwauwa:

Solaris444, ok, I will try again to see if I can find something in the logfiles that can reveal something ... thanks. Is Grub logging anything and where?

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Solaris444:

biffhero: or if his remote emulates a keyboard and he accidentally a keypress :P

[18:27:01]

Solaris444:

which would cancel the countdown

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biffhero:

but wouldn't lircd need to be running first?

[18:27:18]

Chiwauwa:

ok ok ... you have a point :-)

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biffhero:

heh.

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Solaris444:

Not if it's a standard HID keyboard.

[18:27:31]

Solaris444:

Shaped like a remote.

[18:27:36]

Chiwauwa:

But it is not a keyboard error as it works most of the time.

[18:27:47]

biffhero:

ah, yeah, that could send a <TAB> on bootup.

[18:27:59]

Solaris444:

quite possible.

[18:28:28]

Solaris444:

in any case, my vista mce remote does not appear to be receiving information.

[18:28:49]

Solaris444:

so.... thoughts?

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biffhero:

Chiwauwa: set up an X10 controller, and if you can't ping the box, wait 5 minutes, if you still can't ping, reboot it via X10. Since it 'works most of the time', most of the time you won't have to do anything.

[18:29:18]

Chiwauwa:

Ok, I'll go downstairs and grab my monitor and hook it up ... but that is just so 80's debugging style ;-)

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biffhero:

do you have GRUB set up for serial connections? If you did, you could do it remote.

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Chiwauwa:

thank you for your help

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Chiwauwa:

biffhero, no no got your point. Just though that if I could find something in some Grub logfiles ... You are right, most probably going to be trivial when I see it on the screen.

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Chiwauwa:

I'll let you know when I find out what it is ... have the monitor connected.

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biffhero:

Chiwauwa: I don't know that grub logs anything anywhere. That's a good feature request, though.

[18:50:43]

wagnerrp:

how would grub log something somewhere?

[18:51:31]

biffhero:

treat a file on disk as a circular buffer and a tty for output purposes. 4k, pre-allocated, sitting there empty.

[18:52:01]

Chiwauwa:

wagnerrp, I have been wondering if the problem is that the filesystem isn't mounted at that point ... but I'm not so good at this Linux stuff ... still learning a lot.

[18:52:27]

wagnerrp:

Chiwauwa: the boot filesystem has to be accessible, or else you wouldnt get anything

[18:52:47]

wagnerrp:

grub itself is installed to the MBR, but the config files are stored in the filesystem

[18:52:59]

Chiwauwa:

wagnerrp, exactly ... and I'm just guessing here ... that the boot filesystem isn't accessible at that point. Right?

[18:53:00]

wagnerrp:

it will fault out immediately if it cant access that stuff

[18:53:00]

biffhero:

yeah, I know grub can read the FS, but writing to it at this point is a pretty dicey proposition.

[18:53:26]

wagnerrp:

biffhero: right, that was my point

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wagnerrp:

adding write support to the filesystem would be a difficult thing to do, and likely a feature request to go completely ignored

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biffhero:

that's why I was saying it would need to be pre-allocated, and pretty much "C/H/S access" to the file. icky icky. agree that it would be ignored as it's pretty hard.

[18:54:36]

wagnerrp:

you would more likely see telnet or remote syslog support

[18:54:55]

biffhero:

remember running /sbin/lilo after every modification of the lilo config file, because it was "too hard" to put FS reading support into that small of a code space. syslog support, that's hot.

[18:58:13]

clever:

i dont see why you would need any logging for grub

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clever:

either it works, or it hangs and you see the error

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clever:

if i want anything more, id tell grub to use a serial console and link a 2nd box to log/control thru minicom

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Solaris444:

ok this is interesting guys.

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Solaris444:

my remote has hardware id 0609:0322, which is NOT listed in the MythTV wiki

[19:03:37]

wagnerrp:

why is that interesting?

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clever:

i dont see vendorid 0609 in the pciid's file at all

[19:04:35]

wagnerrp:

while we happen to share devs, mythtv != lirc

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm so disappointed that you haven't told f-m-u he's wasting time and electricity

[19:08:19]

sphery:

in [mythtv-users] Transcoding SD MPEG2 to H.264---recommendations?

[19:08:47]

Solaris444:

wagnerrp: I can't place the device. It came with a Hauppauge WinTV-Nove-TD-500

[19:08:51]

Solaris444:

*Nova

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

Smart gmail

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Solaris444:

But I can't seem to get it working.

[19:09:02]

iamlindoro:

It marked all f-m-u mails as spam

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah... im less so convinced with SD video

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sphery:

less convinced that it's a waste?

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wagnerrp:

considering any modern processor can manage that at far greater than real time

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sphery:

no joke

[19:10:12]

sphery:

oh, you mean it will transcode faster

[19:10:23]

sphery:

I still think it's a waste

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wagnerrp:

but with HD at any decent quality settings, kormoc's desktop /may/ be able to pull that off in real time

[19:10:54]

sphery:

IMHO, the best thing he could do if he wants H.264 is a) get a real (non-NTSC) input and b) re-record reruns with the HD-PVR

[19:11:39]

sphery:

but I still think he's chasing the wrong problem

[19:11:47]

sphery:

and losing quality in the process

[19:12:26]

sphery:

i.e. 2GB/hr transcoded "to cut the space by a factor of 2 or even 3 if I can do it without noticeable sacrifices in quality"

[19:13:01]

sphery:

so if he has 1000hrs of recordings, that's 1TB saved (as I doubt he'll hit 1/3 space, but might get 1/2 space)

[19:13:22]

sphery:

I'll also bet that he could fit his archive on a single 2TB

[19:13:45]

sphery:

and I won't even mention the whole, "is it still time-shifting (and, therefore, fair use) when you keep something forever" thing

[19:14:33]

sphery:

anyway, at least when he'

[19:15:07]

sphery:

s working on figuring out transcoding, he's not bugging Robert E about TMS scheduling data being "wrong" or complaining about MythTV's design

[19:15:22]

sphery:

and telling everyone how he's still using 0.18.1 because he has "special needs"

[19:15:47]

Solaris444:

please, can anyone help me get my remote working?

[19:16:21]

wagnerrp:

sphery: to be completely honest, the CPU time is just an argument i make to other people, as people trying to do transcoding generally dont see any worth in their own personal time

[19:16:38]

wagnerrp:

the real reason im against transcoding is its not worth MY time to do it

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sphery:

heh, yeah

[19:17:04]

wagnerrp:

if im going to transcode, im going to be doing deinterlacting, resampling, and all the finessing needed to do it properly

[19:17:13]

sphery:

definitely not worth mine

[19:17:16]

Solaris444:

or does anyone know of a way to FORCE a particular module to load?

[19:17:50]

sphery:

when I can buy the DVD or BluRay (and have a legally-acquired-for-archive copy with all the extras) for ~$30/season

[19:17:59]

wagnerrp:

if there was a program that would properly detect telecined video, and properly detect the frame order, or 2:3 duplicated progressive content, and drop it to 24fps

[19:18:06]

wagnerrp:

or otherwise choose a suitable deinterlace filter

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sphery:

but then again, some of our users think $20/year is "anti Freedom"

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wagnerrp:

scan for needed levels of deblocking, sharpening, etc...

[19:18:37]

wagnerrp:

i would probably use it in a heartbeat

[19:19:04]

wagnerrp:

just let my multiple computers churn over it for days because theyre not doing anything else

[19:19:12]

sphery:

and remove the network logo/TV rating/ads/bugs/weather and news alerts/...

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, nothing is going to do all of that automatically

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sphery:

though I still say buying a licensed copy is the way to go

[19:19:54]

wagnerrp:

and its just not worth my time to do it manually

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gpd:

where would i start trying to debug why my frontend is 'sluggish' to move around menus in 0.24?

[19:21:11]

sphery:

turn off compositing in your nvidia-settings ?

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sphery:

gpd: OSD or main menu?

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gpd:

this is on a Mac OSX client

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gpd:

main menu

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Solaris444:

What's anti-freedom sphery?

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sphery:

gpd: ah, then I guess it's broken OpenGL in your video drivers... Have you tried switching to the Qt Theme Painter?

[19:22:39]

wagnerrp:

Solaris444: having to pay for guide data

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gpd:

sphery: yes, just tried that – but not much better and flickering to desktop background on some menu items

[19:23:17]

sphery:

Solaris444: many of our users (or people who hear about MythTV) think it's "free" so the $20/year for a subscription to Schedules Direct makes it not "free"--they don't understand that FOSS is about Freedom, not about "free of charge"

[19:23:18]

splashd:

Solaris444, that USB ID comes out as a Sony remote

[19:23:45]

high-rez:

$20/yr!!! You're attacking my freedom.

[19:23:52]

splashd:

0609:0344 is a Hauppage

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** high-rez ducks **

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sphery:

IMHO, MythTV is a luxury DVR--and it's cost me /far/ more than any cable- or satellite-company-provided DVR ever would have

[19:24:37]

gpd:

hmm. actually it seems to be a network lag on loading the screenshots – as when i plug into cable it is fine.

[19:25:39]

high-rez:

Those folks could always just live with EIT data.

[19:26:48]

sphery:

gpd: probably improper NFS settings for your home directory or coverart/posters/fanart directories

[19:27:17]

Solaris444:

well, I use EIT data, but what's wrong with paying for schedules if you want high quality schedule data?

[19:27:24]

Solaris444:

It's no compulsory.

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Solaris444:

splashd: mine is 0609:322

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Solaris444:

not 344

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sphery:

well, in the US, EIT data is pretty much garbage in most areas

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splashd:

Solaris444, you _may_ be able to force the insmod if you alias the VID and PID--not sure though

[19:28:24]

sphery:

but there's definitely nothing wrong with paying $20/yr to get the same data that TiVo users pay $15/mo to get

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gpd:

sphery: this is screenshot of recorded video – is that cached olocally? and if so – presumably the first time past it on a menu it is loaded from remote?

[19:30:02]

sphery:

gpd: ah, that's in the recording directories

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sphery:

so it's written to a local cache in $HOME/.mythtv (don't know where for Mac OSX, though)

[19:30:36]

Solaris444:

splashd: do you have a link to the hauppauge remote setup instructions?

[19:30:40]

** skd5aner patiently waits for his $79 2TB samsung HD to arrive **

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sphery:

skd5aner: all the while noticing the $69.99 2TB Samsung HDDs on newegg?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

oh, wait, those are Seagates

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, I saw the $69 one... but passed on it do the numerous DOA reviews

[19:31:38]

skd5aner:

yea

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sphery:

here's the one to get: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136764

[19:32:02]

skd5aner:

I've had good luck with my samsung F3, so...

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skd5aner:

went with the F4

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sphery:

has the highest TB/HDD ratio on newegg

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sphery:

I have an F4

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sphery:

skd5aner: you /do/ need to know that the HDD lies!

[19:32:39]

skd5aner:

like cake?

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sphery:

skd5aner: it tells the OS it has 512B sectors, but it has 4kB sectors.

[19:32:52]

Beirdo:

I have all Seagate other than the 4 1TB WD Blacks :)

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splashd:

Solaris444, what distro you using?

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skd5aner:

I've had just about every drive manufacture known to man in the last 10 years

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sphery:

skd5aner: so even parted--when told to optimize layout to handle alignment--will format it incorrectly

[19:33:21]

skd5aner:

no bad luck (knock on wood) so far

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skd5aner:

... with samsungs

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Beirdo:

Fujitsu will never be bought by me

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skd5aner:

had some bad luck with seatgates

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sphery:

skd5aner: you need to specify 56 sectors per track instead of the default (of 63spt)

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Solaris444:

splashd: openSuSE 11.2 and 11.3

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Solaris444:

tried it in both

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skd5aner:

sphery: I'm glad you mentioned it, I wouldn't probably have even thought to

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skd5aner:

sphery: I wonder if the F3 I have is the same way?

[19:34:30]

** sphery has repartitioned far too many 2TB disks lately thanks to manufacturers deciding to use 4kB sectors before they're required **

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sphery:

spcifically WD and Samsung. Seagate is still using 512B sectors in its 2TBs... 4kB is only required when you go above 2.xTB (don't remember the x, but it's low)

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skd5aner:

sphery: what's the best way to tell? manufacturer's spec?

[19:35:23]

sphery:

internet search

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sphery:

I couldn't find anything in the Samsung specs that would confirm anything

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skd5aner:

hmmmm, guess I need to go look up my existing one

[19:36:01]

sphery:

but the 56spt will work for 512B or 4kiB sector sizes

[19:36:26]

sphery:

yeah... just put in the model and 4kb sector and you'll probably find discussion

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sphery:

if it's not 2TB, I can almost guarantee it's not 4kiB sectors

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sphery:

I don't think any vendor used them until the 2TB HDDs

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skd5aner:

sphery: the existing 2TB I have now is the HD203WI (Samsung EcoGreen F3)

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skd5aner:

I don't think it uses 4k sectores, from my limited searching so far

[19:39:46]

skd5aner:

sectors

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skd5aner:

looks like 512 from a few blog reviews

[19:41:05]

sphery:

yeah, quite possible they only rolled out the 4kB sectors with the F4s

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splashd:

Hmm, no longer an RPM expert, as I went to the dark side and Ubuntu. Is there a way to reconfigure lirc in SUSE similar to dpkg-reconfigure? All the guidance I've found is to configure lirc for Windows Media Center Transceivers/Remotes (all)

[19:41:50]

Gibby:

Any issues using the 3TB HD that sphery posted above in a RAID setup? Read posts about timing issues

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splashd:

What is the lirc conf file set up for the LIRC_MODULE ?

[19:42:33]

sphery:

Gibby: I know there's be an issue getting me to pay $325 for it :)

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splashd:

Solaris444, look at your etc/sysconfig/lirc

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Gibby:

sphery: yeah i would think that for paying that price I would make sure it would work in RAID

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sphery:

definitely need to check first

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kormoc:

Gibby, Hardware or software raid?

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Gibby:

kormoc: soft

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Gibby:

been thinking of rebuilding my software raid and actually go to ZFS and raidz

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wagnerrp:

presumably on solaris or freebsd?

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kormoc:

Gibby, you should be able to tweak /sys/block/sd?/device/timeout to get those drives working in MD just fine

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Gibby:

I haven't had any issues yet with my current raid which is susceptible to the timeout issue when a drive tries to fix it self and then it drops it from the array... knock on wood

[20:10:56]

Gibby:

Beirdo: how do you have your WD Blacks setup?

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pmcenery:

I have a question about browse mode during livetv. When I hit up or down arrow, it pops up the OSD on the very first channel in the database when first entering livetv

[20:15:19]

pmcenery:

I'm running 0.24, recently upgraded from 0.23. I am sure this never used to happen in the past.

[20:16:17]

pcuser:

good evening. Does anyone has a skript for the movie database lookup in german. System is running mythbuntu 10.10. Thanks in advance.

[20:16:24]

pmcenery:

I thought that frontend -> general settings -> browse/change channel use specified channel group. may have something to do with it.

[20:16:31]

pmcenery:

Does anyone have any suggestions?

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** skd5aner is upgrading from ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10, here we go **

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skd5aner:

sphery: what version of the kernel are you running? I ask because I see that 2.6.31 had AFT (4K sector) support added and 2.6.34 enhanced that support

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sphery:

I have 2.6.31.6 right now

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skd5aner:

sphery: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/e . . . p_faqid=5655

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: the problem is that the WD drives do not claim to use 4K sectors

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wagnerrp:

they claim to use 512b sectors

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sphery:

but I'm pretty sure that the Samsung drive--in all situations--says that it has 512B sectors

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sphery:

so that it works on WinXP

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sphery:

without special drivers

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sphery:

the WDs at least report the correct size when queried

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skd5aner:

perhaps, I did see on the F4 specs from samsung that the sector size is listed as "AFT" which is the 4k sector

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sphery:

the Samsung F4 doesn't

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sphery:

i.e. my WD drives are autodetected as having 4kiB sectors but the Samsung isn't

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Beirdo:

Gibby: umm, they are plugged into SATA ports

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Gibby:

Beirdo: raid or lvm ect..?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

why would I use RAID or LVM for mythtv-only use? ;)

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kormoc:

Gibby, you understand that if you increase that node I gave you, it won't drop from the array during rebuilds, right?

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Beirdo:

we have this thing called a "storage group"

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Gibby:

kormoc, yep I know, already looking at it for my current array

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Gibby:

Beirdo, i use it for more than just myth or i would....

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: doesnt provide redundancy for stuff you want to archive

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: true, but I can deal with that otherwise. :)

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Beirdo:

and really, not much I have that I want to archive

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** wagnerrp has gigs upon gigs of dvds, hddvds, and recordings he doesnt want to have to recover **

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Beirdo:

yeah, that would be a good use, I guess. I just don't bother

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** Beirdo gives his backend the evil eye **

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Beirdo:

show me status, you pain in the butt!

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skd5aner:

anyone aware of issues with Nvidia's latest driver? 260.19.21

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iamlindoro:

many many issues with the 260 series drivers

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iamlindoro:

image corruption, massive memory leakage, x crashes, etc.

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skd5aner:

latest recommend version then?

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iamlindoro:

No idea what the last safe one was

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skd5aner:

I think the latest I was running was 256.44

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skd5aner:

ok, no worries – just upgraded ubuntu, so have to reinstall the nvidia driver anyway

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skd5aner:

figured I'd see if it was worth upgrading to the latest or not, I'll hold off

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jya:

the leak is gone with 260.19.21 and vdpau, but yeah, pretty unstable. Had to reboot my PC 6 times yesterday in a matter of a few hours

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jya:

and for some reasons the last 256 one libGL kept crashing when I clicked on "scan audio device" .. go figure...

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sphery:

jya: Out of curiosity, how much slower is the internal downmixer? is it just one of those, "not the most efficient approach, but still negligible difference for any reasonably-modern CPU," or would it actually be an easily-noticeable difference? (Regardless, I still like the no-setting approach--just wondering what to expect on lists, etc. :)

[22:53:49]

jya:

to be honest, I don't know...

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sphery:

ah, just wondered

[22:54:04]

sphery:

not a big deal

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jya:

DTS is more complex, and I made it the default, no one complained :)

[22:54:31]

jya:

but when you see the requirements to run mythfrontend these days

[22:54:36]

jya:

it's probably a drop in the ocean

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sphery:

cool, that's what I was hoping

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jya:

my concern has to do with some dev being very keen on supporting older hardware

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jya:

like with the audio processing, when I wanted to convert everything to float all the time

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sphery:

heh, well, I'm definitely not that keen on supporting older hardware

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jya:

on intel it's not much of an issue, because it has a co-processor

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jya:

but on arm

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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jya:

the decoding itself is probably not too much

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jya:

but then you need to convert all to float, apply the downmixer, and convert back from float to int16

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jya:

that's what will have the biggest impact I think

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jya:

while when using the ffmpeg one, it works in int16 all the way.. straight to the audio card..

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sphery:

would be great if ffmpeg gets fixed to actually use the dialnorm

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jya:

and I would assume that people running stereo system, are more likely to run old hardware than people with nice surround setup

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jya:

DTS isn't that common compare to AC3, maybe why no one complained

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sphery:

yeah, old-hardware users are likely also stereo users

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high-rez:

How old do you realistically expect to support?

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jya:

like ticket 9282, those bugs have been there for years... one video, and bang you trigger them all at once

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sphery:

high-rez: late 2008 or early 2009, I'd say ;)

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high-rez:

Don't you at some point break compat with old hardware "please use this archaic version of the software on your archaic hardware"

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sphery:

yeah, exactly

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jya:

i wonder if we could test the type of CPU being used at run time, like if no floatting point unit, let ffmpeg do it, if not let myth do it

[23:01:17]

sphery:

if we constrain current mythtv to ancient hardware, we're very limited in how much we can improve

[23:01:20]

jya:

that would be the best approach

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jya:

better having low volume than no sound at all

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sphery:

and we can't take advantage of newer systems with more power to do more things

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high-rez:

sphery: With the limitation of course being that 0.24 and 0.25 run on my ION boxes :D

[23:01:51]

sphery:

jya: that sounds like a pretty good approach

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** high-rez ducks **

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

So, I'm very surprised that the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement division of Department of Homeland Security seems to be doing copyright enforcement, now: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/27/technology/27torrent.html

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high-rez:

sphery: Pretty crazy that they can take that on, while they're basically sucking at everything else they're doing.

[23:03:55]

k-man:

what is a good chipset for tv-out support? s-video

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sphery:

I guess you need a visa to immigrate your stolen videos into the US? Otherwise, the homeland won't be secure?

[23:04:15]

k-man:

i have an ati radeon card, but that stopped working in the lastest xorg update

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high-rez:

k-man: Time to give up that old tube tv ;)

[23:04:37]

sphery:

k-man: heh, put the $30 you'd spend on a new video card toward a TV with real inputs ;)

[23:04:45]

k-man:

yeah

[23:04:47]

k-man:

i suppose

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k-man:

*sigh*

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k-man:

i was hoping to wait until after xmas

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k-man:

when the sales are on

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sphery:

last I was using was nvidia, but I don't know how the current nvidia's are (or if they even have S-Video/Composite out)

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sphery:

k-man: depending on your viewers, you might be able to get away with putting a computer monitor in place of the TV

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high-rez:

Video Card with HDMI out + VDPAU == heaven

[23:06:07]

sphery:

especially if you have a nice 23" widescreen or something sitting on one of your desktops

[23:06:18]

sphery:

then after Christmas, find a nice sale on a TV

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k-man:

sphery: not a bad idea actually

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k-man:

i recently bought a 24" for npot much

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sphery:

k-man: heh, 24" would be a not-bad TV for a month

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sphery:

and really make you appreciate that new one after Christmas :)

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k-man:

sphery: yeah

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k-man:

actually, the one i bought is 1980x1200 resolution too

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k-man:

higher than high def tv

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sphery:

cool

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k-man:

i can tell you this, i am sick to death of looking at xorg.conf files

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sphery:

heh

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k-man:

i know things have improved a lot recently, and you mostly don't need one, but if you do need to set settings, its like black magic imho

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sphery:

yeah

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