Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, November 21st, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you catch the SSA/ASS thread on -dev mailing list?

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Beirdo:

looks promising :)

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beav_35:

I am trying to setup a remote frontend but it says "cannot login". I have done the "mysql> grant all ..." thing. What am I missing?

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beav_35:

bind-address is also set to my lan ip.

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Staticwave_Ace:

hello all, has anyone had issues with playback volume in 0.24?

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Staticwave_Ace:

I find every time I play something the volume is maxed out

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, It's just a backport from ffmpeg

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iamlindoro:

(mostly)

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iamlindoro:

Those patches went in over there a week or two ago. We'd get that part of the code on the next resync, AFAICT the rest is mostly duplicate from our other subtitle renderers-- that said, I'll take it ;)

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strex:

Please help, fresh install (and new DB) of .23 and frontend will not connect to remote backend, keep's defaulting to 127.0.0.1, regardless of all config files telling it the proper 192.168 addy, Suggestions?

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** Beirdo is scratching his head trying to figure out how to display captions in mythgallery **

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iamlindoro:

strex, config files just tell it where the DB is... the *DB* tells it where the backend is

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iamlindoro:

and that setting is in mythtv-setup, on the backend

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iamlindoro:

meaning you've left one of the settings in "1. General" set to 127.0.0.1

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strex:

iamlindoro: I understand that (usually) but I've run the setings -> general like 30+ times, and it's on the correct 192.168 network.

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iamlindoro:

strex, That's the only place it can get the info

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strex:

well doesn't the settings write the config.xml file in the users home/.mythtv dir?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

myth will write it out, but that tells it where to get to the *db*, not the backend

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iamlindoro:

the database tells it where the backend is

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iamlindoro:

and that setting is set in mythtv-setup, step 1

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strex:

iamlindoro: l've even done some network troubleshooting, and mythfrontend never even tries to connect to 6543 on the BE, or 3306.

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strex:

iamlindoro: it's just defaulting to 127.0.0.1: 6543, no matter what settings are changed.

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iamlindoro:

strex, then you have a config file you haven't found yet or a locally running backend

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iamlindoro:

these are immutable truths

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iamlindoro:

but for it to connect to port *6543* on 127.0.0.1, it has to have been told by a database that the backend is at 127.0.0.1

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iamlindoro:

select * from settigns where value = "backendserverip";

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iamlindoro:

er

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iamlindoro:

select * from settings where value = "backendserverip";

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iamlindoro:

and

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iamlindoro:

select * from settings where value = "masterserverip";

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iamlindoro:

both to a pastebin

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strex:

iamlindoro: sec

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strex:

iamlindoro: well that's the problem than, hehe

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iamlindoro:

...?

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iamlindoro:

Both of those settings are in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

step 1

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strex:

iamlindoro: were both 127.0.0

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iamlindoro:

General

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iamlindoro:

kinda like I said

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strex:

iamlindoro: face-> palm, thx..

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iamlindoro:

Well at least you had the decency to facepalm ;)

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Staticwave_Ace:

ugh this new audio thing is massively broken

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iamlindoro:

Staticwave_Ace, hmm?

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iamlindoro:

Staticwave_Ace, If you're talking about myth's new audio settings, it's likely your understanding of them is broken

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Beirdo:

oooh, pretty

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** Beirdo got an abort **

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro: is there a comprehensive piece of documentation on it out there? because I can't find it yet

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iamlindoro:

Staticwave_Ace, Maybe you could explain your problem rather than just concluding that they're broken?

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iamlindoro:

New audio setting are not that terribly different from the old ones, only difference is that now there's less opportunity to break them since you can have the system tell you what devices actually exist

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, the current story is, mythtv now offers upmixing, so I thought I'd try it

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Staticwave_Ace:

I have an analog 5.1 setup

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iamlindoro:

Myth has offered upmix for a while

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Staticwave_Ace:

my asoundrc is here http://mythtv.pastebin.com/tAVWbGGk

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Staticwave_Ace:

it was broken when I tried in 0.23

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Beirdo:

QPainter::begin: Widget painting can only begin as a result of a paintEvent

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iamlindoro:

It worked in .23, too :P

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Beirdo:

verrry pretty

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Staticwave_Ace:

I have to re-route some channels because my chipset/codec is miswired

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Staticwave_Ace:

speaker-test -D output -c6 works correctly

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure jya can enlighten you about properly setting it up, but it sounds more like your driver/chipset is broken if you're already having to hack around it in .asoundrc

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Staticwave_Ace:

SoftVol is there because my master volume/pcm volume doesn't control all outputs

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Staticwave_Ace:

all those settings work fine with a speaker-test

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Staticwave_Ace:

volume adjusts, surround works

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Staticwave_Ace:

ALSA:output in myth frontend is not working out

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jya:

what do you mean by "it is not working out"

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Staticwave_Ace:

device: ALSA:output

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Staticwave_Ace:

Analog

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Staticwave_Ace:

Speaker configuration 5.1

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jya:

why don't you use ALSA:via51 or a device detected by ALSA, set softwre volume control and stop messing with alsa configuration file

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Staticwave_Ace:

software control?

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Staticwave_Ace:

what's this, a software volume control, when was that added?

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jya:

MythTV can control the volume, and if you set the mixer device to "software" it will do software volume control

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jya:

it was in 0.23

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm

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Staticwave_Ace:

missed that one

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jya:

in your case, and to fix the fact that ALSA or your device got it wrong when it comes to channel napping

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jya:

set your audio device to ALSA:via51

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jya:

set the LPCM flag

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jya:

uncheck AC3 and DTS, set speakers to 5.1 , set upmix if you want to

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jya:

then go to the next page of the audio settings

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jya:

enable the volume control, and select "software" in the list of mixer

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Staticwave_Ace:

okay, set, no upmixing

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Staticwave_Ace:

no sound :)

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jya:

make sure your device is not muted, and the volume is actually at a level that will let you hear it

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Staticwave_Ace:

yup

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Staticwave_Ace:

that's fine

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Staticwave_Ace:

turn on upmixing

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Staticwave_Ace:

sound

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Staticwave_Ace:

distorted

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Staticwave_Ace:

kinda a "wobbling"

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Staticwave_Ace:

like listening through a fan

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jya:

but I wouldn't have configured your alsa plug like you did

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Staticwave_Ace:

better option?

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jya:

use one of the ALSA configured one

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jya:

probablly surround51

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Staticwave_Ace:

surround51 has the center/lfe flipped

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jya:

would should with aplay -L

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beav_35:

I am trying to setup a remote frontend but it says "cannot login". I have done the "mysql> grant all ..." thing. bind-address is also set to my lan ip. What am I missing

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Staticwave_Ace:

need to remap

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jya:

then remap the speakers like you did

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Staticwave_Ace:

you mean use surround51 as the slave of via51?

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jya:

or even more high-tech fix for your analog channel ordering

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jya:

swap the audio cable...

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Staticwave_Ace:

lol

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jya:

why bother with doing this in software, when swapping a cable is so damn simple

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Staticwave_Ace:

you know, in the 3 years I've had this setup, that has never crossed my mind

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jya:

:)

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Staticwave_Ace:

jya: ah ha, not possible, that's why

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Staticwave_Ace:

center/lfe are on the same jack

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jya:

and?

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Staticwave_Ace:

so you can't swap them

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jya:

cables have two ends usually

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Staticwave_Ace:

other end goes straight into the sub

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jya:

and where does the center go?

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jya:

in any case, modify your asoundrc to be a plug with a slave on surround51

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jya:

and swap the lfe and center

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jya:

and if you enable upmix, make sure you haven't used a quality other than best

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Staticwave_Ace:

it is best

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jya:

myth autoscan will not show custom pcm device; it is only showing the same kind of devices as what aplay -L does

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jya:

my guess if you find the sound all muffled etc.. is that you have also swapped the rear and front channels

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jya:

rear channels upmixed, will typically sound muffled , they are there to provide surround (ambiance) it will never be fully discrete unless the program was encoded for Dolby Prologic or DTS-ES

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jya:

off to play in the jumping castle with my kids

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jya:

only have it for another couple of hours

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Staticwave_Ace:

have fun

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Staticwave_Ace:

thanks

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, with a clean asoundrc and using the scanned surround51 with 5.1 speaker config and upmixing, the sound is choppy as hell

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jya:

Staticwave_Ace: if you want to test the upmixer, here is a pro-logic II encoded file

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jya:

http://www.avenard.org/files/media/videotest/channelsPLII.mpg

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jya:

if the sound is choppy, try reducing the quality to good ; what PC is it ? maybe it's not powerful enough

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jya:

jumping castle man came early to pick it up... very disappointed..

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jya:

in this folder, you'll find AAC, DTS, WMV, AC3 test file

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jya:

http://www.avenard.org/files/media/videotest/audiotest/

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Staticwave_Ace:

I don't quite understand why this requires any CPU power

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Staticwave_Ace:

I previously had alsa doing upmixing

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Staticwave_Ace:

and it worked just fine

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Staticwave_Ace:

but it's a core2 duo

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jya:

there's upmixing and there's upmixing

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Staticwave_Ace:

well that file is massively choppy audio

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jya:

which file?

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Staticwave_Ace:

channelsPLII.mpg

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jya:

what CPU usage do you have when playing?

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jya:

because myth does a pretty good job at upmixing this one

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Staticwave_Ace:

mythfrontend 11%

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jya:

providing complete discrete channels

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Staticwave_Ace:

11–26% during playback

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Staticwave_Ace:

6chan48kpinkac3.mpg has the same wobbilyness

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Staticwave_Ace:

and it's not upmixed right?

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jya:

that's right

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jya:

playing pink noise on all chann

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jya:

E

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jya:

'

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jya:

it's pure wav samples that one

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jya:

no ac3 or dts

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jya:

couldn't be any easier for the audio card to play it

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jya:

if you have problem with that one, well.. I have no explanation

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah that ain't working

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Staticwave_Ace:

well this was a bright idea, now my original configuration doesn't work

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jya:

]

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jya:

when you play the 6chan48kpinkac3.mpg with aplay on the same audio device as you configured myth

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jya:

does it play?

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jya:

use the equivalent .wav file in

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jya:

http://www.avenard.org/files/media/videotest/audiotest/

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Staticwave_Ace:

there's only 2 wavs in that dir

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Staticwave_Ace:

channeltestac3 and channeltestdts

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Staticwave_Ace:

use the ac3 I guess

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Staticwave_Ace:

aplay won't play those

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Staticwave_Ace:

Playing raw data 'channeltestac3.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono

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Staticwave_Ace:

aplay: set_params:1053: Sample format non available

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Staticwave_Ace:

Available formats:

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Staticwave_Ace:

- S16_LE

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm well mplayer makes it all choppy too (channeltestac3.wav)

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jya:

at least it's not just myth "new audio thing is massively broken"

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Staticwave_Ace:

so it would appear

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Staticwave_Ace:

the fact that speaker-test works confuses me

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Staticwave_Ace:

damn, now I'm at the point where I can't even google this because I don't know how to describe it

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robbiel:

Is there a known problem with getting a remote working with SDLmame on mythbuntu 10.04? I've followed the info in the mythbuntu wiki but no joy

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Staticwave_Ace:

okay, more details, 2010-11–20 22:53:14.248 ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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Staticwave_Ace:

getting buffer underruns

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Staticwave_Ace:

if I create a device in asound.conf that speaker-test can play through fine, why can't mythtv?

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Gibby:

for the price is there anything better than http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173004 for a frontend?

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strex:

Gibby: max out the ram..

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strex:

Gibby: besides that, what do you plan to use it for?

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Gibby:

i already have 1 with 2GB of ram, haven't been able to make it stutter once

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strex:

Gibby: what are you using it for

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Gibby:

i need another frontend for the bedroom, for an hour or 2 of TV for the wife a night... been using an old old laptop but it has issues

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Gibby:

the once i have with 2GB of ram is my main frontend plays 1080 at vdpau full...

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strex:

Gibby: short of building your own, that looks good, just hope you're using ethernet and not wifi for HD..

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strex:

Gibby: what about a remote?

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Gibby:

o yes, using gigabit ethernet

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strex:

I find it quite interesting when the GF/WIFE uses mythtv, I get lots of mixed responses.. hehe

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Gibby:

right now i use a cheap ebay one that is actually HID

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strex:

Gibby: HID as in Human Interface Device? hehe

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Gibby:

yeah i know had to mess with xmodmap a little bit

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Gibby:

trying to find the ebay link

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Gibby:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PC-XP-Vista-MCE-Remote-Co . . . em1e5cb8ca4b

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Beirdo:

oh look, another notify-OSD complaint

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Staticwave_Ace:

I am... defeated

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ce_CANTIK_cR_YG_:

try it http://uploadmirrors.com/download/0ASMJUI7/psyBNC2.3.1_1.rar

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Beirdo:

idiot

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Gibby:

wtf

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Fieni:

how should automatic input switching work in LiveTV?

[09:45:01]

Fieni:

i mean, i have to manually select "Switch Input" when switching channels if there is "conflicting" recording

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Fieni:

i have 2 tuners, so it should work since 0.22 i think (currently using 0.24)

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Fieni:

so there is something wrong with my setup/conf?

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rekoil:

hey dudes

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rekoil:

looking for some expertise

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rekoil:

building a mythtv setup for dvb-s2

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rekoil:

but i'm limited to pci-e cause my server doesn't have any other slots

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rekoil:

so i'm looking at this card: http://www.buydvb.net/pcie-dvbs2-dual-tuner-tv-card_p11.html

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rekoil:

but i need to connect a smart card, what would be the best solution for that?

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rekoil:

(i'm with canal digital if that matters)

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rekoil:

anyone around?

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Digdilem:

rekoil, the americans won't wake up for a good few hours yet, but I don't know anything about cams

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rekoil:

i see

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rekoil:

mythtv not common in europe?

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Digdilem:

yeah, i'm in the uk, but i use freesat, so no cam required

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rekoil:

i see

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rekoil:

what's freesat?

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rekoil:

well i mean, i can guess by the name

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Digdilem:

heh, yeah – it's just that, but a uk only thing I think

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Digdilem:

off one of the astra sats

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rekoil:

i'm on thor 2 afaik

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Digdilem:

you may be able to pick it up direct in there if you want the english free to air chans

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rekoil:

i'd love that actually

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rekoil:

but i'd like my subscription too hehe

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Digdilem:

in myth and a dvb-s card, it "just works". you enter in the frequencies, scan and it picks up 100 odd fta english chans

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rekoil:

nice

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rekoil:

but subscription chans?

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Digdilem:

yeah, in my area the dvb-t transmissions are very weak, so it's the only way I can get good tv

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Digdilem:

it's the same satellite that Sky comes through, and they do all the subs stuff in the uk

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Digdilem:

but afaik you can't use myth with sky since their encryption isn't cam friendly

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Digdilem:

they have their own set top recorders only

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rekoil:

i see

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rekoil:

and you wouldn't know about canal digital right?

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rekoil:

i know they supply a CI module if i ask for one

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Digdilem:

sorry, no

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rekoil:

bah

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rekoil:

hehe

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rekoil:

CI == CAM right?

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Digdilem:

common interface – so yeah, I think so, but like I say, never used one

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rekoil:

right, but in theory, one supplied by canal digital should obviously work with their card, and since CI is a standard, any proper CI reader with linux support should then be able to query my card properly, right?

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rekoil:

then the problem lands in mythtv's court

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Digdilem:

i just don't know, sorry. ask again later once the americans are up, they're the biggest chunk of myth users

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rekoil:

no problem mate, thanks for your help

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Digdilem:

good luck

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rekoil:

hehe

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rekoil:

actually the biggest problem i'm facing is pulling the SAT cables from the roof down to lower floor where the network hub and server is located :P

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rekoil:

that's gonna be a tough cookie to swallow

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jmartens:

I am trying to build MythTV 0.24 on CentOS 5, but it fails with the following error: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/9Vf6sQJh

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jmartens:

I have video4linux-devel installed and it is located in /usr/include/v4l/ am I missing something?

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jya:

jmartens: one of the dev had similar issues, he is running a much more recent kernel than the stock 2.6.18

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jmartens:

jya: so you mean there is no way to compile mythtv-0.24 with the CentOS 5 stock kernel? Any idea what was patched in the newer kernel to make this work?

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jya:

not sure what fixed it... but the only dev able to compile mythtv under centos 5 is running 2.6.28

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jya:

time to upgrade to centos 6 when it comes out maybe?

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jmartens:

lol, yes but that will take some time. I am asking this to try and fix things so atrpms can also compile mythtv-0.24 for el5 so it can provide mythtv-0.24 for EL5 as well.

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jmartens:

jya: do you happen to know which dev is compiling on CentOS so I can try and contact him/her?

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jya:

he admitted not knowing what he changed to have it compile

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jya:

Chris Pinkham

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jya:

he mentioned that he probably copied by hand two files missing from 2.6.27.5 kernel

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jya:

videodev2.h

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Captain_Murdoch:

jmartens, pretty sure I copied them from a newer kernel's include dir since I run a newer kernel on my CentOS 5.x nfsroot systems.

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Captain_Murdoch:

kernel wasn't compiled on the nfsroot server, so it didn't use the mixed-headers.

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jmartens:

Captain_Murdoch: Thanks for the information, which kernel do you run?

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Captain_Murdoch:

well, it wouldn't have used /usr/include anyway, but just wanted to clarify. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

a 2.6.27.5 kernel that I compiled for my nfsroot systems. only picked that version because it was the latest at the time I set it up.

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jmartens:

OK, thanks for the information, I will see what the differences might be.

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Captain_Murdoch:

does stock (or plus) kernel include ivtv?

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Captain_Murdoch:

for rhel5/centos5

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jmartens:

I donÂ´t know.

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jmartens:

I think not as I still need video4linux to have my ivtv card to be recognized.

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Captain_Murdoch:

my only CentOS 5.x system (the fileserver) with a stock kernel doesn't run ivtv, it only talks to my HDHR. the rest of them are nfsroot and use the newer kernel.

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user81_:

hi, anybody have any experience setting up lirc to work with multiple receivers for a multiseat setup?

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user81_:

I've got the receivers working and the remotes, but for some reason only the first receiver picks up any signals. While if I irw /dev/lirc* everything works

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user81_:

any takers?

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user81_:

should I paste the /etc/init.d/lirc & /etc/lirc/hardware.conf?

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user81_:

hello?

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trumee:

guys, where can i get mythtv 0.24 for ubuntu karmic?

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trumee:

need those packages for my joggler

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noaXess_kubuntu:

hi all

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noaXess_kubuntu:

mythfilldatabase is configured to run each day at 2pm.. but it won't.. i allways need to run it manually.. is that known issue?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

so back.. grrr

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noaXess_kubuntu:

i get this on backend log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/534909/

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Nasha:

Hi Guys, having some issues with my MCE (RC6) remote. Each keypress of an arrow key, or volume button, registers as two presses. I have ensured repeat and delay settings are set to 0 in my lirc, but its still occuring. Can anyone suggest another path to follow?

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Nasha:

Anyone?

[16:20:19]

high-rez:

Have repeat set in lircrc?

[16:20:52]

Digdilem:

have two lircs running?

[16:20:54]

Nasha:

No, as i mentioned previously, i have repeat set to 0. I have also tried completely removing the repeat option

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Nasha:

digdilem: ps aux|grep lirc reports lirc0 and lirc1 running. As far as im aware lirc0 is the receiver and lirc1 my blaster. ls /dev/ shows lirc0 lircd and lircd1

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Nasha:

Something seems not right there

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clever:

i believe lirc0 and lirc1 are the kernel devices, each needs its own lircd running with its own lircd socket

[16:26:54]

Nasha:

Yeah, thats how i see it. lirc0 and lircd and lircd1 in dev seem ok too?

[16:27:32]

clever:

yeah, now run irw on lircd and lircd1 to verify which one is the receiver

[16:28:01]

clever:

and use irsend -d /dev/lircd to try blasting with each one, to verify which one is sender and which works

[16:29:43]

Nasha:

lircd is my blaster, that much i know

[16:30:15]

clever:

i think the bigest problem i had, is that mythfrontend always received from lircd

[16:30:33]

clever:

so i had to switch my lircd's in the background to make it work

[16:31:00]

Nasha:

This combination has worked fine in the past... Ive put my config files and IR hardware onto a new frontend

[16:31:30]

clever:

you should be able to receive then using irw /dev/lircd1

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Nasha:

Yes

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clever:

and does it work in mythfrontend?

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Nasha:

Infact keypresses are received using either lircd

[16:32:27]

Nasha:

Yes, remote works in frontend

[16:32:42]

Nasha:

My problem is, each keypress of the arrow key, is registered twice

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clever:

does irw report 2 presses for each button?

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Nasha:

No, only one

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clever:

and what if you hold the button?

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Nasha:

However, if i push very quickly (and with a bit of luck), i get one move on myth and no response in IRW

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clever:

ok, put irw on the other socket and try the same thing

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Nasha:

what do you mean?

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clever:

maybe one lircd is sending things out twice

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Nasha:

lircd irw sees two presses for every single press

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clever:

and as i said before, mythfrontend only ever uses lircd, it cant use lircd1

[16:35:57]

clever:

switching lircd and lircd1 in the lirc config files should fix it

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Nasha:

Ok, seems you've got to the root cause of the problem :)

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Nasha:

Which config file?

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clever:

not sure, depends on the distro

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Nasha:

Ubuntu here

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clever:

i just bypassed the entire mess and ran lircd directly

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Nasha:

Ahh i see

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Fieni:

what setup should i have in 0.24 in order to automatic input switching to work in LiveTV?

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Fieni:

any wiki entries or other pointers?

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clever:

if you read the lircd man page, you can see the command line arguments

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clever:

so you can manualy point it to the kernel device and unix socket

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Nasha:

Well my hardware.conf file has the receiver set to lirc0 and the trans to lirc12

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Nasha:

lirc1*

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clever:

could try just swapping everything in hardware.conf

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Nasha:

Ill give swapping everything over a shot

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Nasha:

Wasn't that simple. But you've shown me where the issue is. Thanks alot for your help :)

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clever:

i was running 2, because i used the pvr-150 for recive and serial for blasting

[16:49:21]

clever:

but an ubuntu upgrade broke the pvr150 recieve drivers

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clever:

probly fixed by now, just havent bothered to upgrade again

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Nasha:

Well im completely lost now. Ive removed the transmitter from the hardware.conf file, so that should ensure that the receiver is lircd. Now irw, if i push quickly, registers one press (2 in myth), or if i push normally, registers 2 presses (2 in myth)

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clever:

part of the problem might be the 2 lircd's talking to eachother

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clever:

its meant to let you do everything from just lircd, but ive never bothered to figure it out

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Nasha:

hmmm ok

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clever:

when keys repeat normaly, the 2nd number goes up

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clever:

000000008001001c 00 KEY_ENTER devinput

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clever:

000000008001001c 01 KEY_ENTER devinput

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Nasha:

yes, that occurs with mine

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clever:

so its not feedback causing the 0th event to repeat

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Nasha:

You know what, both lircd and lircd1 respond the same in irw

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clever:

then they are sharing something in the background

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clever:

normaly, only one should ever show each receiver

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clever:

dont know what the latest ubuntu is doing, it could be turning that on automaticaly to make things 'simpler'

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Nasha:

nasha@Ion-Frontend:~$ ps aux|grep lirc

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Nasha:

root 1800 0.1 0.0 4732 644 ? Ss 03:53 0:00 /usr/sbin/lirc --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 --listen

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Nasha:

root 1805 0.0 0.0 4780 896 ? Ss 03:53 0:00 /usr/sbin/lirc --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd1 --device=/dev/lircd1 --connect=localhost 8765 --idfile=/var/run/lirc/lircd1.pid

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clever:

yep, --connect is used for sharing

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Nasha:

Ubuntu have a habit of doing that... lol

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clever:

shut lirc down and just manualy run those 2 at root, without --listen and --connect

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clever:

/usr/sbin/lirc --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 ; /usr/sbin/lirc --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd1 --device=/dev/lircd1 --idfile=/var/run/lirc/lircd1.pid

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Nasha:

no such file or directors /usr/sbin/lirc :s

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clever:

i thought that was odd, it should be lircd

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Nasha:

Yeh me too, so i ran lircd, seemed to run ok except it complains about unrecognized option --idfile

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clever:

yeah, its --pidfile

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clever:

not sure why its missing random letters from the paste

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Nasha:

lol

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Nasha:

remote behaves normally, except transmitter isnt working

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Nasha:

No, thats wrong. Only arrow keys work

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clever:

for ir blasting, youll need to use irsend -d /var/run/lirc/lircd1

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clever:

and the config file for the remotes should have all the remotes you need

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Nasha:

My remote isnt functional now

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Nasha:

Only arrow keys work in mythtv

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clever:

does it work fully in irw?

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Nasha:

yes

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clever:

double-check the names irw is giving against the .lircrc file myth is using

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Nasha:

theyre correct

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clever:

and the remote name too?

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Nasha:

yes

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clever:

i'm running out of ideas then

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Nasha:

remote = mceusb

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Nasha:

prog = mythtv

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Nasha:

button = Right

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Nasha:

config = Right

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Nasha:

000000037ff07bde 00 Right mceusb

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Nasha:

This one has racked my brain for days!

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clever:

and what does a non-working button look like?

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Nasha:

000000037ff07bdd 00 OK mceusb

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Nasha:

remote = mceusb

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Nasha:

prog = mythtv

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Nasha:

button = OK

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Nasha:

config = Return

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clever:

should work then

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Nasha:

In /dev there is no lircd or lircd1

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Nasha:

i assume thats not normal

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clever:

yeah, your giving it --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd1 so it wont go in /dev/

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clever:

i'm guessing ubuntu made some symlinks to hide that

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Nasha:

I see ok

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Nasha:

Yeh /dev/lircd is a symlink now that i take a look at ls -l

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Nasha:

but is there a chance the frontend is still looking for /dev/lircd ?

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clever:

run mythfrontend with -v file

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clever:

it might list the path to lircd its trying to open

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clever:

hmmm, thats new, the socket path is retrieved from the database

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Nasha:

Whats the syntax for mythfrontend -v

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clever:

defaults to "/dev/lircd" or "/var/run/lirc/lircd" if the DB isnt set

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clever:

mythfrontend -v file

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Nasha:

i see

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Nasha:

nasha@Ion-Frontend:~$ mythfrontend -v mythlog.log

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Nasha:

Unknown argument for -v/--verbose: "mythlog.log"

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clever:

nope, just -f file

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Nasha:

but based on what youve just said, im assuming my db is set to /dev/lircd

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clever:

when ran with '-f file' it should give an error when it fails to open it

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Nasha:

Ok i understand now

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Nasha:

i thought file was a variable

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Nasha:

nasha@Ion-Frontend:~$ mythfrontend -v mythlog.log

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Nasha:

Unknown argument for -v/--verbose: "mythlog.log"

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Nasha:

oops

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Nasha:

2010-11–22 04:23:01.777 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/dev/lircd'

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Nasha:

eno: No such file or directory (2)

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Nasha:

Suspicions were correct

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clever:

1. could try making a symlink pointing it to the new location (simple)

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clever:

2. just tell lircd to use /dev/lircd

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clever:

2. find that option in mythfrontend config

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Nasha:

ln -s /var/run/lirc/lircd /dev/lircd ?

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clever:

other way around

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Nasha:

hehe ok thanks

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clever:

ln is tricky, but -v helps alot

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Nasha:

I think i had it the right way around

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Nasha:

Switching them gives me a file already exists error

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clever:

yeah, now that i think, it is right

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clever:

and ln wont overwrite by default

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Nasha:

Ok, remote is back functioning, but with the same issue as before

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clever:

no idea why it would be having problems with the other buttons

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Nasha:

Repeat on the arrow keys

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clever:

i'm using repeat = 0 in .lircrc, to force certain keys to never repeat

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Nasha:

me too

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Nasha:

thats why im puzzled

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clever:

it should be ignoring the repeats then, lircd clearly marks them with that 2nd number

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Nasha:

yes but as i said, sometimes irw only receives one keypress yet myth still moves 2

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Nasha:

and occaisionally if i get myth to move one keypress, nothing is registered in irw

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clever:

hmmm

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clever:

run 'xev' and then push the arrow key

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wagnerrp:

mmm... half price Fallout:NV

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Nasha:

what am i looking for?

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clever:

Nasha: if it gives anything on the arrow keys, you have problems

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clever:

that means its acting as a normal keyboard

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Nasha:

it does

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clever:

ok, so the remote acts a normal keyboard (which myth reacts to) and as an lirc device (which sometimes doesnt get the key)

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clever:

both messages are reaching mythfrontend

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Nasha:

Only for the arrow keys though

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Nasha:

and the volume keys

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Nasha:

That sounds plausible

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Nasha:

and a few other keys as well it seems

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Nasha:

clear, enter, mute, the 'windows' key

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clever:

in my case, my remote acts as a usb keyboard and mouse

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clever:

but when i connect to lircd, that automaticaly stops

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Nasha:

I dont know why this problem has arisen purely from using a new frontend

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Nasha:

worked fine on my backend prior to changing over

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Nasha:

Out of ideas?

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

id need to know how the driver works to fix it right

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Nasha:

no worries, thanks for your help thus far :)

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Chiwauwa:

Hi, I get the following message when playing my rip (video_ts) of 'Surfs Up' in MythTV: "Error reading block from DVD: Error reading NAV packet.". The odd thing is that it worked yesterday before upgrading from 0.23 to 0.24. I just tried the disc and it plays fine. I can also play the rip without issues in VLC and Xine. I have libdvdcss installed. I can play a lot of my other DVD rips. Any suggestions ... e.g. is this a bad rip due to some copy pr

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Chiwauwa:

otection thingy, but why did it then work yesterday?

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Chiwauwa:

Looking at the rip in PgcEdit right now by the way ... never tried it before, so I have no idea if this leads to something ... but it contains an odd 2 sec sequence in the beginning. FYI

[18:05:08]

flexy:

Considering between gt430 and gt220. Seen the wiki pages and differences in fill rates and other technical values. Just that I don't know which are needed with myth... that would be the only usage for the card. Any hints?

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flexy:

g430 has tdp value with 9W less, that's a clear plus for it.

[18:06:08]

flexy:

then again, it has half of the render output units. are those needed in myth?

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wagnerrp:

either is plenty powerful for mythtv

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Chiwauwa:

flexy, I'm running with gt220 and I'm pretty happy with it

[18:06:36]

wagnerrp:

mythtv's opengl needs are very minimal

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flexy:

ok

[18:07:28]

flexy:

the gt430 has lower tdp values and nearly the same price, would perhaps choose that then

[18:07:39]

flexy:

cooling would be easier/more silent

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flexy:

pixel fill rate, is that important?

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wagnerrp:

no

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flexy:

gt430 has half of pixel fill rate compared to gt220...

[18:09:03]

flexy:

big difference, if that's needed

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wagnerrp:

no

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flexy:

right

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flexy:

this is helpful :)

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flexy:

but it is :)

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flexy:

unless you are pulling my chain

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wagnerrp:

no, either card is plenty powerful for all of mythtv's needs

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Nasha:

Ill second that

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** flexy expects the same answer **

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wagnerrp:

unless youre doing mythgame with something modern that will actually use that graphics hardware

[18:11:37]

Nasha:

Myth really doesnt require that much in terms of graphics capabilities

[18:11:41]

wagnerrp:

there is no reason to go more

[18:11:53]

flexy:

right, then I'll choose the cooler running one.

[18:12:17]

flexy:

no, mythtv, mythvideo, music, gallery, those are to be used

[18:12:22]

Nasha:

If i have a complete system capable of displaying 1080P video, for the cost of less than the gfx cards your looking at, says something

[18:13:25]

flexy:

Nasha: you have what card?

[18:14:04]

wagnerrp:

Nasha: oh? the 220 and 430 are each around $60-$70

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Nasha:

Oh :P

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wagnerrp:

not sure how you can get a complete system for that

[18:14:25]

Nasha:

Havent checked prices in some time :P

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Chiwauwa:

I also sounds pretty cheap to me :-)

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Chiwauwa:

I = It

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flexy:

:D

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Nasha:

Ok ok, i didnt do my research

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flexy:

you have a pretty good system. from 3 finger sale?

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flexy:

:D

[18:16:07]

flexy:

but again, which card you have?

[18:16:12]

Nasha:

Anyway, $250 system, just to clarify things

[18:16:15]

Nasha:

nVidia Ion

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wagnerrp:

waste

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flexy:

ok

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Nasha:

waste?

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wagnerrp:

$250 will get you an amd board with nvidia graphics, 2GB of memory, a nice 2.9GHz dual core Athlon II, and a small case with power supply

[18:18:29]

wagnerrp:

vastly more power than any Atom

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Nasha:

Yes and twice the heat, and 8 times the footprint

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wagnerrp:

and since its a frontend only, you can turn it off or standby when not in use, so electrical budget really isnt a concern

[18:19:02]

wagnerrp:

not 8x the footprint

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Nasha:

My Ion is slightly bigger than a dvd case....

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wagnerrp:

if you get mini-itx motherboard and M350, its the same footprint and maybe twice the thickness

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wagnerrp:

as for heat, as long as you can cool it quietly, who cares

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wagnerrp:

any Atom system you get that small is going to have a fan

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wagnerrp:

and a small noisy 40mm one at that

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wagnerrp:

remember, that atom doesnt put off that much heat, but the nvidia graphics sure do

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Nasha:

Ok ok, i get it your anti Ion lol

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just tried out an ION system. it doesn't make as much noise as you imply.

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Nasha:

Exactly

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Nasha:

Less noise than a Zalman silent cooler on an e5400 did

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I can't hear it.

[18:22:15]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

And I read through a bunch of people complaining about the noise.

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Nasha:

Then factor in the gfx fan, and p/s fan

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wagnerrp:

the point is if youre not going for that tiny thin box, you can get a bigger, quieter fan

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wagnerrp:

or a heatsink large enough you need no fan

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wagnerrp:

as far as IONs, they work great if everything you are going to use is supported by VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

... if not, the Atom doesnt have enough power do handle the content in software

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wagnerrp:

so for about the same price, not a whole lot larger, and if you work it right not any louder... why not buy a proper CPU

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I use it for the frontend in my bedroom. My living room, which is the full home theater setup, I have a MicroATX cube

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I think the IONs are perfect for bedrooms and secondary areas.

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Nasha:

which is precisely what mine is for

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Nasha:

I dont need processing power

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wagnerrp:

do you ever intend to use flash? or maybe webm?

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wagnerrp:

if you get some glitchy recording that VDPAU chokes on, are you simply never going to play it?

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Nasha:

nope

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Nasha:

never had a problem yet

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Nasha:

why would vdpau choke?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, if I get some glitchy recording, I'll save it for my living room

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wagnerrp:

because its a hardware decompressor

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wagnerrp:

the ASIC was mapped out several years ago

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wagnerrp:

and cannot be updated

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wagnerrp:

nor can you put a whole lot of versatility in it without having the transistor count blow up

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Nasha:

well if i ever have a problem, which i havent in 2 years, ill be sure to think of you

[18:28:22]

wagnerrp:

i had tons of problems with VDPAU 2 years ago when the drivers were still in the development phase

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Let's just go with the statement that not everything is for everyone.

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wagnerrp:

videos that would play, videos that would crash the system

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

That different people have different needs.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

wagnerrp: So did I.

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Nasha:

Development phase being key words

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

The computer that recently died, that I replaced with an Ion, was an old Athlon X2 low power 2.4GHz processor.

[18:30:04]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I ran that thing till the day the motherboard went.

[18:32:11]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But, it comes down to need.

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trumee:

are there any mythtv 0.24 packages for debian lenny?

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trumee:

Before i go and install debian on my backend system, i thought i would check if it is supported.

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trumee:

it will be both a Frontend and backend system

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bjd:

if you're after packages, i'd suggest using ubuntu and the autobuilds packages

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trumee:

bjd: not too keen on ubuntu. i guess i will compile mythtv then.

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trumee:

The machine will host asterisk as well so i wanted something more stable.

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bjd:

if stable == never breaks cos it never gets new packages then sure

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bjd:

:p

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trumee:

bjd: but i should be able to compile mythtv-0.24 ?

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trumee:

without getting dependencies from unstable system.

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Beirdo:

hate to be a bubble-burster, but Lenny really isn't any more "stable" than Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS

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Beirdo:

it's just older

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Beirdo:

however, Lenny may have new enough versions of things to work with recent mythtv

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trumee:

Beirdo: that will keep me happy.

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Beirdo:

things to check: Qt (must be >= 4.5), alsa (>= 1.0.17, I think)

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Beirdo:

I would suggest QT >= 4.6 may be wise even if you can, that requirement may be changing soon

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trumee:

I wanted to pick between Centos and Debian. But centos has zero support for mythtv so picked debian

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Beirdo:

choice between ancient and ancient

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Beirdo:

ancient != stability

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Beirdo:

but as you wish

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Beirdo:

heh

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trumee:

My main machine runs bleeding edge gentoo. So i know what new mean :)

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stuartm:

there is a middle ground

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trumee:

Lenny has libqt4-core (4.4.3–1+lenny1) , will that work?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

too old

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trumee:

crap.

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Beirdo:

must be at least 4.5 or mythtv will refuse to compile even

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trumee:

stuartm: middle ground?

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Beirdo:

I still would suggest Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS. But use Ubuntu Server not Desktop (if it's gonna be a server)

[19:26:59]

Beirdo:

but your machine, your choice :)

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stuartm:

seems the new fashion trend is following the perceived wisdom that a recent distro can't also be stable, can't begin to count how many times I've come up against it recently (not least just two days ago on the developer list)

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bjd:

Yeah

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Beirdo:

stuartm: agreed. the notion that old and not changed... is good... baffles me

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trumee:

Beirdo: Gentoo gave me lot of problem with asterisk whereas Centos was rock solid. So i am treading cautiously.

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Beirdo:

with the number of useful fixes in upgraded libraries...

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high-rez:

The only place where that seems to apply (old not changed == good) is with Xen, imho. :)

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Beirdo:

heh, especially as Xen is a thing of the past Linux kernel-wise

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high-rez:

But that's just cause Xen 4 ravaged my machine badly. :P

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trumee:

Mythtv works quite well on my gentoo box though.

[19:29:02]

Beirdo:

Xen devs and Kernel devs being on the outs with each other

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stuartm:

how often do you get people saying that they still run Windows 98 because it must be more stable?

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[R]:

but xp is like over 10 years old

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** skd5aner runs ubuntu server for everything **

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bjd:

i run a mix of freebsd, debian, redhat

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[R]:

am i the only one that thinks it ridiculous that xp is over 10 years old and people still use it?

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high-rez:

i ran gentoo on everything until it started to get really bad then jumped ship to debian and ubuntu

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clever:

i switched from ubuntu to gentoo here

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trumee:

high-rez: you use debian for myth?

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skd5aner:

you can always turn a ubuntu server into a ubuntu desktop with a single apt-get command

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high-rez:

trumee: Ubuntu for myth.

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[R]:

skd5aner: or ubunut desktop into ubuntu server

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high-rez:

debians on all of my servers for the most part.

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Beirdo:

anywho... Debian Lenny will be toooo old, you'd have to start upgrading stuff, so you might as well go with something newer as a base

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GreyFoxx:

Xp is 8 years old, not "over 10"

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stuartm:

trumee: but there's the flaw in the logic, Gentoo which runs the absolute bleeding edge version of everything is the exact opposite end of the spectrum from CentOS, why not just settle with the latest Ubuntu/Mandriva/Fedora which are more than stable enough without being stale

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trumee:

stuartm: i am going to give Ubuntu a try then

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[R]:

GreyFoxx: "It was first released in August 2001"... so 9 years

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GreyFoxx:

oops, no sorry 9 years

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Beirdo:

heh

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[R]:

9, 10, same thing

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GreyFoxx:

still not "over 10"

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trumee:

so i should download Ubuntu Server edition?

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skd5aner:

well, to clarify – I run ubuntu server for all my "ubuntu" based linux machine (aka, all my mythtv boxes) – I run a variety of other platforms for other things, but all I'm saying is, there's no point in using ubuntu desktop edition for a myth frontend or backend

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trumee:

Ubuntu 10.10 i guess.

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GreyFoxx:

guess what, I was "released" over30 years ago, but don't feel that a newer "model" is somehow better :)

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trumee:

The machine will host asterisk, Myth frontend adn backend.

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Beirdo:

trumee: 10.04.1 LTS is the "stable" one, but not the newest. It will be getting updates for 2 years (I think) past release.

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[R]:

GreyFoxx: lol

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clever:

i should probly update my 7.10 system eventualy

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skd5aner:

[R]: it's extremely easy to get all the desktop components (X, gnome/kde, etc) on the ubuntu server build, since the server build is much more barebones... it's harder to do the opposite and rip a bunch of crap out

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[R]:

skd5aner: its not that hard to remove a few packages

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trumee:

Beirdo: so mythtv 0.24 will work on it. It has qt-4.5?

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Beirdo:

definitely

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skd5aner:

trumee: if you are REALLY worried about longer term stability, you could always compromise and get the ubuntu 10.04 since it's LTS (long term support) – which means they'll maintain it for 3 years

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Beirdo:

4.6.2 on my 10.04.1 boxes

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skd5aner:

and, will allow for upgrade paths to future versions of ubuntu really easily

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Beirdo:

3 years, sorry :)

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stuartm:

[R]: it's difficult to figure out which packages you probably won't need, but then it really doesn't matter, what's it amount to but a few MB on modern TB drives?

[19:35:01]

trumee:

skd5aner: yes that is what i am planning to get.

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Beirdo:

going from Server edition lets you keep pulseaudio off the box easier too (which is a good thing in my mind)

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trumee:

skd5aner: is this LTS, http://www.ubuntu.com/server ?

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skd5aner:

[R]: it's not hard to remove a "few" packages, but the desktop build comes with a TON of more packages than the server build. It's /always/ better practice to start small and add what you need than it is to get a ton of stuff and try to figure out what to remove

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[R]:

but not impossible

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[R]:

and very easily doable

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skd5aner:

[R]: unless you are truly using it for a desktop, why go that route?

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** Beirdo is off to have brunch... **

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Beirdo:

the smell of my chili cooking is very tantalizing :)

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[R]:

who said you should?

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skd5aner:

trumee: http://www.ubuntu.com/server/get-ubuntu/download – 10.04

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stuartm:

who said it was impossible?

[19:37:37]

skd5aner:

[R]: you say tomato, I say tomato...

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trumee:

skd5aner: thanks

[19:37:55]

skd5aner:

[R]: definitely feasible to do either approach

[19:38:14]

[R]:

this movie green mile is so stupid

[19:38:18]

skd5aner:

[R]: who said I should what? (if that was directed at me)

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stuartm:

It isn't that easy, not with hundreds of packages to go through, it might not be a technical challenge but it's a considerable time waster

[19:38:36]

stuartm:

[R]: love that film

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[R]:

skd5aner: "why go that route"

[19:39:57]

stuartm:

guess you're not a fan of fantasy films (not that I am really, but I happen to like that one)

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skd5aner:

[R]: If you are using ubuntu as a desktop, you might want a ton of stuff pre-loaded to work out of the box – if you are using something as an asterisk server and a MBE, then why would you need anything beyond the pre-reqs just for those to run?

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skd5aner:

it's more secure, more stable, less maintanance, smaller footprint, and takes less resources

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[R]:

skd5aner: who said you needed anything?

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skd5aner:

um, ok? where are you going with this?

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[R]:

your the one tahts still going on about it

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skd5aner:

I thought you were asking why?

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[R]:

no

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skd5aner:

regardless, not tryng to argue with you... you're way works too

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trumee:

how difficult it is to compile a new kernel on ubuntu?

[19:46:20]

trumee:

i find kernel compilations very difficult on suse and fedore compared to gentoo.

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skd5aner:

no what?

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[R]:

trumee: why do you need to compile a kernel?

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skd5aner:

trumee: lots of guides on how to do it, but it's very rarely needed, why?

[19:47:20]

trumee:

[R]: at the moment i am not sure. but in gentoo i had to do sometimes.

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trumee:

to enable few kernel options.

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trumee:

i have never used a deb system except running ubuntu on the joggler and maemo on my phone

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** skd5aner hasn't had to build a custom kernel in about 4 years **

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skd5aner:

not to say there isn't sometimes a need to do it, but for most thing related to mythtv and asterisk, you should be fine with a stock kernel

[19:50:35]

skd5aner:

if you have a very specific need to, you'd probably know :)

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trumee:

skd5aner: thanks. i am ditching gentoo because i need a stable kernel config.

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trumee:

skd5aner: i hope ubuntu's server is well tested and people are using it for hosting asterisk

[19:51:54]

trumee:

Most popular distro for asterisk/voip seems to be centos.

[19:52:58]

trumee:

skd5aner: will i have to add some specific repo to get mythtv?

[19:54:01]

trumee:

also, does ubuntu support lilo?

[19:54:31]

trumee:

seems i am asking more ubuntu questions rather than myth :p

[19:54:56]

skd5aner:

trumee: apt-get install mythtv I would imagine, I'm not the person to ask regarding the specifics...

[19:55:34]

skd5aner:

trumee: I don't use ubuntu's package for mythtv, I compile from source, but many people seem to use it fine

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bjd:

trumee: i'm using mythbuntu's auto builds

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bjd:

on ubuntu

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[R]:

what on earth would possess any sane person to want to use lilo

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skd5aner:

I think if you use 10.04, that they actually package a version of 0.23 out of the box, you might want to get some help from the mythbuntu folks on how to be sure you're grabbing the latest build

[19:56:47]

trumee:

[R]: because lilo works great here. and i had only trouble with grub

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[R]:

rofl

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** [R] just shakes his head **

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bjd:

you're weird :)

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bjd:

gentoo and lilo :)

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trumee:

skd5aner: i am still running 0.23 here on my backend so it should be fine.

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trumee:

bjd: probably :)

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skd5aner:

trumee: if you really want help with installing/configuring ubuntu, you're probably better off in #ubuntu or #mythbuntu or googling/wiki-browsing

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Beirdo:

yummy chili, but needs more cumin and another 6h at least of simmering

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[R]:

there was some project... i think it was hosted on google projects... it was a firewire channel changer taht supported sending keypresses... and all sorts of cable boxes... does anyone know which one?

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Wicked:

im sure google does

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[R]:

lol, i think i found it

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wasutton3-Laptop:

does anyone know of a free alternative to schedulesdirect.org?

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[R]:

not in the US

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wagnerrp:

you /can/ use EIT for broadcast digital

[21:05:30]

wagnerrp:

but its generally pretty pathetic

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

maybe one or two shows

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to the two weeks schedules direct gets you

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wasutton3-Laptop:

[R], dang stupid college already has all my money

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[R]:

you dont have $20?

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wasutton3-Laptop:

and im running over analog

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stuartm:

wasutton3-Laptop: $20 a year is just too much for you? If so then maybe you shouldn't be wasting all that electricity watching TV

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[R]:

don't eat pizza for a day

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wasutton3-Laptop:

oh i read it wrong, i thought it was 20 a month

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

isn't that even more expensive than tivo?

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wasutton3-Laptop:

yes, it is. but you wont find a quad tuner and 4TB of storage in a tivo

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[R]:

4 tuners on analog?

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

4tb? what... are you recording 4 shows 24/7?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 4TB goes a /long/ way at 2GB/hr

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[R]:

2gb for sd?

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wagnerrp:

thats the default bitrate off an mpeg encoder

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wagnerrp:

anything broadcast will be <1GB/hr

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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SpaceBass:

which database table holds the listing of shows to record?

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clever:

SpaceBass: i think its record

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SpaceBass:

clever, thought so too be seeing mostly old shows in there

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[R]:

SpaceBass: there is no "listing of shows to record"

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[R]:

SpaceBass: theres just the list of rules

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SpaceBass:

Im changed some jobs around and I'd like to batch remove the jobs that don't exist anymore and add the new job to every upcoming recording

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[R]:

so change the rules

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SpaceBass:

am I going about it the wrong way by trying to do it in the database?

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Chiwauwa:

SpaceBass, I followed this guide the other day to migrate my recordings to a new setup ... and the planned recordings (rules) were also transferred.

[21:21:55]

[R]:

SpaceBass: never screw with the db if you have no clue what you are doing

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Chiwauwa:

SpaceBass, Link: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html

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SpaceBass:

[R] if I break it, I break it and It'll be a learning experience – any hint as to where the rules are stored?

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SpaceBass:

thanks Chiwauwa

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Chiwauwa:

I agree ... be careful!

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[R]:

record

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[R]:

what yo uwere already told

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SpaceBass:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

SpaceBass: the rules are stored in the record table, what he was saying was that the actual list of future recordings is only in memory on the master backend

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SpaceBass:

wagnerrp, very helpful, thanks

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Chiwauwa:

By the way ... a short but sad update on my 'Surfs Up' rip ... I spent a couple of hours with PcgEdit and changed something??? But it didn't work :-) It still fails right after the playback starts.

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russell5:

im using pvr 150 and getting 2.2gb for an hour

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russell5:

for sd

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[R]:

that seems a bit excessive

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[R]:

oh wait

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[R]:

per hour

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[R]:

n/m, i'm stupid

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sphery:

ah, yay, another person following the broken instructions on that mythpvr.com page

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russell5:

ok i thought it was large but i guess not

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sphery:

SpaceBass: the right approach is to use mythweb's Recording Rules page or mythfrontend's Manage Recordings|Recording Rules screen to edit the rules

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SpaceBass:

sphery, unless Im missing something, if I use mythweb I have to edit each show one at a time, correct?

[21:35:10]

sphery:

Chiwauwa: my recommendation is to a) never again follow the instructions on that mythpvr.com page (since they're broken and can corrupt data) and b) use the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore for backing up/restoring the DB, and c) reading the information about how a partial restore is complete waste of time at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup

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sphery:

SpaceBass: yes\

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sphery:

and it will take all of 10minutes with mythweb

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SpaceBass:

ugly, but this worked: UPDATE `mythconverg`.`record` SET `autouserjob2` = '1', `autouserjob2` = '1',

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SpaceBass:

`autouserjob3` = '0', `autouserjob4` = '0'

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sphery:

and you won't corrupt your rules, etc.

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SpaceBass:

myth is still a hobby for me, learning through trial and error so not worried about breaking it – although I guess when I break it you'll all say "told you so" ....that'd be fair

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sphery:

I'm mainly concerned about your breaking it causing you to blame MythTV or waste the time of a bunch of people who actually use the provided user interface to interact with MythTV

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Chiwauwa:

sphery, I already had a separate Myth system set up and had to move the recordings there ... so a full db backup/restore was not an option as I see it .. but I promise that I did a lot of backup stuff. But I also believe that I can do i more elegantly next time.

[21:40:16]

sphery:

a whole slew of users broke their databases in the days of 0.18/0.19/0.20/0.21 and didn't find out about it until 0.22

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sphery:

and it became a problem that we were expected to clean up for them

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sphery:

Chiwauwa: a full db backup/restore would definitely have been an option

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sphery:

that's exactly how you're suppposed to do it

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Chiwauwa:

sphery, I see your point

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sphery:

and if you wanted to change your hostname, then you just do one extra step before starting mythtv apps on the new host: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend

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sphery:

and if you needed to clear your capture cards or video sources, you'd just do a Delete all capture cards or Delete all video sources, then configure the new ones

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Chiwauwa:

sphery, so I might have something waiting for me :-( with a new release.

[21:43:15]

sphery:

when you did that, it was with the old system and new system on what versions of MythTV?

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Chiwauwa:

sphery, are you aware of something specific that I should check.

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Chiwauwa:

sphery, last thing I did was to update my 0.23 (production) system to the same 0.24 version used on the new setup ... to ensure that the db structure was the same.

[21:46:20]

sphery:

in that case, you're probably not going to see any real problems other than the fact that you threw away perfectly good, useful data

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sphery:

it will be at least a year before you recover some of that data

[21:47:21]

sphery:

but you definitely made things extremely difficult for yourself by following that page's instructions

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sphery:

I really wish we could Google bomb it to get it off Google's top results

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Chiwauwa:

yes, you are right ... but I'm also learning here :-) With this iteration I went to 0.24, db now on NAS protected by mirror and the same for the recordings, using storage groups for recordings and video and got wol + wake up working on the new hw ... so much better than before.

[21:48:28]

sphery:

cool

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sphery:

single backend or using the master backend to auto-sleep remote backends, too?

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Chiwauwa:

Single backend with multiple frontends.

[21:49:20]

sphery:

anyway, the main problem with that page is that it makes a /lot/ of assumptions that may not be valid

[21:49:34]

sphery:

it's one of those, "it worked for me, so it must be correct" type of pages on the 'net

[21:50:05]

sphery:

when it's only something that works within a very limited set of circumstances

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sphery:

cool... Shutting down systems when not in use is the /best/ way to do power savings

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Chiwauwa:

I actually started looking at MythTV at 0.15/0.16 but then went with MS for a long time ... then came DVB-C and the lack of support from MS. Then I tried Media Portal for a while ... it also posses a lot of good qualities but it turned out to be too unstable for me at the time .... and now I'm back with MythTV and have been that for the last year. I getting more and more excited about it ... but sometimes this Linux stuff has a quite steep learnin

[21:52:25]

Chiwauwa:

g curve.

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sphery:

yeah, MythTV is a great hobby

[21:53:07]

sphery:

it's definitely not just a quick-and-easy-to-set-up DVR

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Chiwauwa:

sphery, about the webpage ... yes, you have to be careful.

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stuartm:

but we're working on making it that way

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sphery:

true

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[R]:

so they switched my cable box to passport... and they have a "fast" optino for the OSD clearing... i think i can reduce the sleep in my channel changert

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sphery:

still have a ways to go, though

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Chiwauwa:

No, but it is a lot easier than in the past. Also due to the 'improvements' in Linux in general.

[21:54:05]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

having better GNU/Linux (and distro) support for V4L/DVB and LIRC and ... makes MythTV significantly easier to set up

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sphery:

back when you were using out-of-kernel-tree capture card and LIRC drivers, it was much more challenging to do things properly

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Chiwauwa:

But during these migration weeks I had to restore a database in the morning on day ... the kids typically watch 15 min of tv in the morning and it was sending mysterious messages to them :-s This is not what makes you popular :-)

[21:56:08]

sphery:

and the nvidia drivers and modern HDTV's accepting "computer" type video make video much easier than back with the TV out and trying to get some random card/drivers to work

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Chiwauwa:

yes, I remember compiling the latest and greatest for my PVR-150 ... and it was always a lottery.

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and back then I actually spent tons of time constantly upgrading everything (including tracking unstable/development/trunk MythTV)

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sphery:

so much easier now that I run -fixes on my production systems and generally don't upgrade things unless there's good reason

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Chiwauwa:

Right, initially I had an ATI solution with a homemade VGA -> RGB cable ... but the disp. quality was much much better with this than what you could get elsewhere ... but these display driver tweaking programs always had a life of their own.

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AndyCap:

Chiwauwa: well, I moved from that to digital, and I must say that hdmi does beat the vga -> scart. :P

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Chiwauwa:

AndyCap: ok, you win :-) and I'm also using HDMI now ... but at the time ... many many years ago.

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sphery:

Wow, sounds like DirecTV sent out a firmware update on Nov 16 that disables the HTTP channel changer within the STBs. Wonder if they decided to only enable it for people using "authorized" DVRs (like TiVo).

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rekoil:

hello

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rekoil:

need some expertise

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rekoil:

setting up a mythtv backend on my server

[22:20:05]

rekoil:

dvb-s2 setup

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rekoil:

server only has pci-e slots though so i'm looking at this card http://www.buydvb.net/pcie-dvbs2-dual-tuner-tv-card_p11.html

[22:21:43]

rekoil:

but i need a CI reader

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rekoil:

my provider will supply the CI module

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rekoil:

but obviously i need something my server can talk to

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rekoil:

any tips?

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wagnerrp:

thats it... ask a bunch of questions, and leave just a few minutes later...

[22:38:38]

** wagnerrp wonders why people have no patience **

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Twiggy2cents:

lol, didnt you know you are supposed to be at their beck and call. Instantly!

[22:44:16]

Twiggy2cents:

is it beck and call or beckoned call?

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iamlindoro:

beck and call

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[R]:

so i just bid on my first ebay auction

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[R]:

i've only ever done buy it nows

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Twiggy2cents:

[R], typically its cheaper to do auctions. And if you want to get serious use a sniping service, like Gixen or something. It puts your bid in at the very last second.

[22:49:05]

[R]:

there is a buy it now option for the thing i'm bidding on

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[R]:

and the differnce is like 1.50

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Twiggy2cents:

1.50 doesnt really seem like a big enough difference to not use buy it now, unless the items value is a small figure too.

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[R]:

like $8

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[R]:

oh snap

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[R]:

i got rid of the 3 second sleep that was in my channel change script

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** sid3windr uses esniper **

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[R]:

what i really need to do is combine my power off script with my channel change script

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johnsu01:

in v24, skipping during live tv is being really erratic

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johnsu01:

I paused a game during halftime, and nothing I've tried will get it to skip forward

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johnsu01:

I increased play speed to 10x, but then when I switched back to normal, it rewound all the way to near where I increased the speed in the first place

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johnsu01:

seeking to a specific time isn't doing anything I can make sense of

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viper_:

What can I do to get DRM video sync to work? I am using a nvidia card and getting this error: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, No such file or directory

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[R]:

drm video sync?

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viper_:

opengl

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[R]:

maybe you dont need it

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johnsu01:

I know it's not a remote issue, because seek forward isn't working in the telnet interface either

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[R]:

viper_: i have opengl vsync enabled, with an nvidia, i have no /dev/dri/card0... and i get no such error

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viper_:

[R]: I am getting video tearing and i think it might be because its using usleep.

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[R]:

what kind of content are you trying to play?

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viper_:

h.264 from an HD-PVR

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Twiggy2cents:

viper_, do you have the use events option enabled by chance? I had bad tearing untill I enabled that

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[R]:

viper_: you using hvdpau?

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[R]:

vdpau*

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skd5aner:

[R]: what STB do you have and how do you control it, firewire?

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[R]:

skd5aner: huh?

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viper_:

[R]: same problem using it and not

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skd5aner:

[R] you were talking about your channel changing script

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[R]:

skd5aner: oh... its a sa, with firewire

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skd5aner:

3250?

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[R]:

4250 i think

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skd5aner:

[R]: hmmm, I've got the 3250HD – I believe it's passport too, I'd be curious to test your changes to the script if you have some good success.

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[R]:

its my own script

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[R]:

not any premde one

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skd5aner:

you mentioned power off – are you able to query/control power via firewire?

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[R]:

there tons of scripts out there to do that

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skd5aner:

[R]: yea, but I haven't had much success with some of the ones I've found out there at least on my STB in relationship to power status – that's why I was curious if you had some success at least in your script

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[R]:

stb-command

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[R]:

thats where i ripped my stuff out of

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[R]:

but 4250 is compeltely differnet from 3250

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skd5aner:

yea... from what I can tell some things are similiar, but there's enough of a difference that a script for one isn't directly usable on the other unfortunatly

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[R]:

stb-command is supposed to work on lots of them

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skd5aner:

[R]: I'll have to take a look at that one, thanks

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viper_:

Twiggy2cents: is that in nvidia settings? i cant find it

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skd5aner:

Mine works will as it is in terms of channel changing, but my cable co has a fun habit of turning off my STB a few times a month :/

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viper_:

Twiggy2cents: is that setting in nvidia settings? i cant find it

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skd5aner:

[R]: would you be willing to share your script? (on the wiki or otherwise)?

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[R]:

nope

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[R]:

stb-command does it all

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Twiggy2cents:

viper_, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/NVidiaProprietaryD . . . gh_CPU_Usage

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skd5aner:

k

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deaman:

I'm trying to connect a .24 windows front end to a .24 mythbuntu backend. The FE is complaining about different time zones and then exiting on startup. Anyone got any pointers?

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deaman:

?

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[R]:

deaman: are the timezones the same?

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deaman:

I think so, both machines are -, but I believe windows and linux store them differently, which is why they are not matching.

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deaman:

*both machines are +1 UTC

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[R]:

not really sure how windows fe checks its timezone

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[R]:

does the log say anything?

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deaman:

the startup output says the windows FE timezone is UNDEF, looking at the util.cpp file, it seems that is the expected state on windows.

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[R]:

what is the exact log mesages

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viper_:

Anyone know why i am getting video tearing? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/M8cuNbku

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[R]:

did you read th wiki page on vdpau?

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[R]:

what if you use vdpau slim

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viper_:

yes i read the wiki. i will give vdpau slim a try

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iamlindoro:

Seems you missed the section called "Tearing/Stuttering"

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deaman:

ahh, whoops. the times were 5 min out.. I fixed the time on the windows machine ,and *wonder* no more error message. Thanks. :)

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[R]:

the magic of ntp

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viper_:

iamlindoro: --no-composite did not fix it

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iamlindoro:

viper_, Did you reboot after setting it?

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