Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, November 18th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

or at least most do

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Beirdo:

we shall see :)

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Beirdo:

I had to code surf last time to find it with their previous jewel of a server

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kormoc:

and that's a negative, they don't tell you

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kormoc:

tisk tisk tisk

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's lame.

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** skd5aner is happy with the sorting he was able to add here – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes **

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k-man:

nice work skd5aner

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Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

how much you wanna bet #9245 is just because he didn't rescan his audio devices?

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Beirdo:

anyone know the usefulness of this GPU for VDPAU, etc?

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Beirdo:

(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU Quadro NVS 280 PCI-E (NV34GL) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)

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Beirdo:

that's what's in my workstation at work, just curious just how crappy it is

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Beirdo:

wow. #2 result for VDPAU on google... our wiki. right after wikipedia

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Beirdo:

we rule

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Beirdo:

BEFORE nvidia's link

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Beirdo:

haha, this thing is ancient

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Beirdo:

about the equivalent of an FX5200

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Beirdo:

never mind.

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** Beirdo amuses himself by rendering a video to libcaca **

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Beirdo:

you squint, it looks almost OK

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Beirdo:

well for 80x24 console text

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

CACA_GEOMETRY=120x60 mplayer -vo caca filename

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** Beirdo snickers **

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** JEDIDIAH__ snickers **

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Beirdo:

oooh look. A KFC bucket in caca goodness

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Beirdo:

for what it is, it works surprisingly well if you have enough CPU

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twoboxen:

Can anyone give me advice for setting up an analog usb tuner's audio using ALSA?

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Beirdo:

is the "outleradam" guy on IRC?

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twoboxen:

if you have an alsa device are you supposed to use the /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c device?

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Beirdo:

no

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twoboxen:

hw:0,0?

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Beirdo:

ALSA:whateverdevice

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twoboxen:

i see... so ALSA:hw:0,0 or whatever?

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Beirdo:

that would be the most likely, yes

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twoboxen:

much appreciated... i'll go try now

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Twiggy2cents:

where is the mythfrontend log stored at? /var/log/mythtv/ is empty

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k_ross:

wherever the --logfile parameter to mythfrontend tells it to be stored

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k_ross:

you can examine the shortcut that launches it, or ps aux|grep mythfrontend to see the parameters

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Twiggy2cents:

Thank you, I didnt realize it didnt have one by default

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what about outleradam?

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Beirdo:

his DVD-R of test recording arrived

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Beirdo:

fun times. It is a victim of the bad in-recording seektable

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twoboxen:

where do you set the video/audio codec profiles in mythtv-setup?

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Beirdo:

it is also apparently, switching from 29.97->24.976->29.97 throughout the recording (as seen by mplayer)

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Beirdo:

twoboxen: you don't

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wagnerrp:

there are no options in mythtv-setup to set any kind of audio or video codec profiles

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twoboxen:

i got this error in the mythbackend log

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twoboxen:

2010-11–17 19:31:04.771 NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now.

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wagnerrp:

what tuner card do you have?

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twoboxen:

this is my only analog tuner

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twoboxen:

hauppage wintv usb2

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wagnerrp:

oof

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Beirdo:

twoboxen: that's setup in the frontend under TV Settings

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twoboxen:

my hdhomerun doesn't get most of the channels since my provider sucks and still has analog unencrypted for the sports package

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Beirdo:

as it says

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wagnerrp:

yeah, youll need to go into the settings in the frontend to set those

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twoboxen:

hmm

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twoboxen:

will that set backend settings then? I don't use the frontend

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Beirdo:

come to think of it, that's a rather silly place for that, kinda

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt make a lot of sense, no

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twoboxen:

haha

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twoboxen:

ok, well at least i know where it is

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twoboxen:

i'll run the frontend once

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wagnerrp:

but mythtv-setup is generally for settings that require the backend to be restarted to take effect

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wagnerrp:

while the frontend is for settings that take effect immediately

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wagnerrp:

so if you understand that as the split, it does make sense

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twoboxen:

i would think recording profiles would require backend restarts

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twoboxen:

isn't the backend doing the encoding?

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wagnerrp:

yes it is, and why would it require a restart?

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twoboxen:

if you have running recordings?

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Beirdo:

yes, but that's always been in the frontend setup

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twoboxen:

fair enough

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twoboxen:

hopefully that will fix my no audio issue

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wagnerrp:

if you have running recordings, you should not restart your backend

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twoboxen:

since it complained about no audio codec too

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Beirdo:

recording profiles would make more sense to ME to find in the backend where the recordings are done

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Beirdo:

but they are setup in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

well moot point anyway

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twoboxen:

are there not default profiles? I'm just tryign to troubleshoot the no audio after fixing the ALSA reference

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wagnerrp:

its all going to be refactored before 0.25

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Beirdo:

well, the frontend settings weren't on the table, last I heard

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Beirdo:

maybe these settings in particular should be?

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wagnerrp:

technically, it is a backend setting

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Beirdo:

right, it is :)

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Beirdo:

but yeah, this is all getting ripped up and replanted

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** wagnerrp thinks the devs need more caffeine to fuel the settings rewrite... http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7 **

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

that's not quite caffienated though

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Beirdo:

just sparkly

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Beirdo:

OK, time to go home and code :)

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wagnerrp:

not even that, its a little plush unicorn, chopped into parts

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Twiggy2cents:

Am I missing something for visualize to work? Its just a black screen. Or am I supposed to visualize something there?

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Twiggy2cents:

Mythmusic btw

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Twiggy2cents:

heh, I guess thats what the wiki is for :)

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wagnerrp:

usually the error messages during 'configure' will indicate whats missing

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Twiggy2cents:

or when they are not turned on by default

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wagnerrp:

the configure run would have told you that

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sphery:

wagnerrp: another user on -users list who encountered the libhdhr update bug with manually-entered IP address... are you planning on mentioning it to jafa or someone? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/460288#460288

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sphery:

or even just creating a ticket and assigning to them?

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wagnerrp:

once recordings are done tonight, ill switch over, do some testing, make some logs

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sphery:

thanks

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Twiggy2cents:

iamlindoro, I dont mean to bother you, but what is the utilities / setup icon of in arclight?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize the stitching, popup-book-making PI from PD was in human target

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you're making me miss pd

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wagnerrp:

i miss dead girl too

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

OK, that's it

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Beirdo:

channel 4... so not doing it OTA anymore

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wagnerrp:

?

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Beirdo:

I need a better antenna

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Beirdo:

it keeps buggering up on 4. and 5

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ByteChang:

Is there a way to change the width of the channel name column in the mythweb listings?

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ByteChang:

A bunch of my channels names are cut off...

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wagnerrp:

that just means youre using the wrong channel name

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Beirdo:

I hope this won't cause more conflicts :)

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Beirdo:

good, doesn't seem to

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Beirdo:

no more crapped out Castle, thanks

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wagnerrp:

for instance, you should be using 'TBS' rather than 'Turner Broadcasting System'

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ByteChang:

so, is there a way to adjust the column width?

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wagnerrp:

see the key and wrench button at the top?

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ByteChang:

yes.

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wagnerrp:

click that, go to TV, then Channel Info

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ByteChang:

I see the table...

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wagnerrp:

the 'name' is a verbose name that can be long

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wagnerrp:

'callsign' is what you see in the listings page, and should be <10 characters or so

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ByteChang:

Ah, yeah I see... thanks. Is it possible to display the name instead of the callsign?

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ByteChang:

or is it that <10 factor ?

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wagnerrp:

yes, by changing the code

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ByteChang:

ah.... ok. maybe I can change the data before it gets imported.. thanks wagnerrp.

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wagnerrp:

imported?

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ByteChang:

well, i use an alternative method for importing my guide data. it cantinates the chan # & call sign... which makes it kinda hard to read...

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ByteChang:

concatinate.... hehe...

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ByteChang:

It is probably a simple change. I was just hoping to increase the column width a bit...

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct should handle your channel lineup just fine

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** wagnerrp wonders where mythtv can get some of them enchanted scrapers... http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?p=646411 **

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iamlindoro:

Oh, hooray for the 5th Element Blu-ray going straight to menu like a good disc

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wagnerrp:

a re-release already? or just one you hadnt played before?

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iamlindoro:

Having to go through everything in my library to find out what has HDMV menus

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so i'm using protobuf at work

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wagnerrp:

see Beirdo, hes the one suggesting that as a possible option

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wagnerrp:

im just along for the ride

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[R]:

i think i'm doing it all wrong

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

haha

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Beirdo:

protobuf is nice IMHO

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[R]:

i'm doing communication between java and another program thorugh stdin/stdout and its an incredibly hacky protocol i came up with... and when we had to add something complex to it... i just was like... lets switch to protobuf

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[R]:

why is it... that when watching tv... its always a former official that is commenting

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[R]:

its never current people

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[R]:

like i'm watching border wars... and a former agent is commenting about the border

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[R]:

"The problem with HDMI capture is the size of the stream."

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[R]:

that's what she said

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wagnerrp:

too much data to swallow?

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Beirdo:

like drinking from a fire hose

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[R]:

OMG

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high-rez:

Woot, probably not a big surprise here but mythweb works just fine with ipv6 :)

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Beirdo:

no it doesn't

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wagnerrp:

no, apache works just fine with ipv6

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Beirdo:

apache does

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

mythweb itself actually requires ipv4 for access to the backend

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high-rez:

Yeah yeah yeah fair enough ;)

[04:25:41]

Beirdo:

oh crud

[04:25:48]

high-rez:

how about 'mythweb's php scripts dont do anything crazy that would prevent them from working with ipv6'

[04:26:01]

Beirdo:

why do you people keep reminding me of things I want to tweak?

[04:26:27]

high-rez:

You're going to tweak the upnp code to make ipv6 enabled what?

[04:26:32]

** high-rez is on the ipv6 bandwagon **

[04:26:51]

[R]:

high-rez: what kind of nonsense would a php script do that is dependent on ips?

[04:26:56]

Beirdo:

I don't think UPnP will be of any use

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wagnerrp:

upnp doesnt work over ipv6

[04:27:07]

clever:

high-rez: dont make me patch my accient trunk to support ipv6 for mythbackend! :P

[04:27:13]

Beirdo:

as the protocol ain't designed for it

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Beirdo:

but... the backend/frontend can use ipv6 :)

[04:27:47]

clever:

Beirdo: already done on me? :P

[04:28:48]

Beirdo:

not yet

[04:29:03]

clever:

havent even thought to try

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Beirdo:

but it's on my "when I run outta things on my short list" list

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[R]:

jewel staite is married

[05:15:12]

[R]:

:(

[05:17:21]

wagnerrp:

arent you married?

[05:17:54]

[R]:

no...

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[R]:

i'm only 25

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nutron:

gah look at what ctrl-z did to me!

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[R]:

what did it do?

[05:20:51]

nutron:

it disconnected me, I lost my history, and it didn't auto-join when I foregrounded irssi

[05:20:52]

wagnerrp:

suspended his irc client

[05:20:54]

nutron:

grr

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Beirdo:

oops

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nutron:

sgsax: you 'round?

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nutron:

what's the chan for theming?

[05:36:31]

wagnerrp:

#mythtv-theming

[05:39:31]

nutron:

wagnerrp: thanks

[05:40:32]

[R]:

"you take the lettuce and your squirt the dressing on it... than you toss the salad"

[05:41:00]

wagnerrp:

thats what she said?

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

how many "official" black friday sites can there be

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Beirdo:

one for every store

[06:00:38]

nutron:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR9-vahLi1s .. hmm just comparing interfaces.

[06:01:51]

nutron:

uhh that wasn't meant for this chan, I don't want to start any "discussions" :)

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[R]:

Beirdo: so i got my null modme adapter from monoprice... of course i still dont have my usb to serial after 17ish days... so i can't try it out

[06:04:58]

Beirdo:

?!

[06:05:09]

Beirdo:

you didn't buy some from monoprice on the same order?

[06:06:49]

[R]:

i ordered it on dealextreme 17ish days ago

[06:06:54]

[R]:

i ordered the adapter a few days ago

[06:07:05]

nutron:

[R]: what are you trying to do?

[06:07:14]

[R]:

nutron: take over the world of course

[06:08:16]

wagnerrp:

so this weeks castle was about close encounters of the fourth kind

[06:08:21]

Beirdo:

buy from monoprice.

[06:08:23]

Beirdo:

:)

[06:08:30]

wagnerrp:

now i saw the movie, and they got taken into the ship

[06:08:38]

wagnerrp:

so i can only assume the third kind is abduction

[06:08:40]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: this week's Castle got eaten by my bad OTA reception

[06:09:04]

Beirdo:

and has caused me to now record that channel off DirecTV

[06:09:08]

wagnerrp:

which i suppose would make the second kind physical remnants

[06:09:13]

wagnerrp:

and the first kind just a sighting

[06:09:28]

wagnerrp:

so whats fourth kind... anal probes?

[06:09:36]

nutron:

[R]: aren't we all? I was just curious, since I made all of my servers headless recently, with linux console fun via serial ports. Got rid of the kvm and pulled out the graphics cards (or disabled them).

[06:09:42]

Beirdo:

[mythtv-users] upgraded to .24 missing import dvd

[06:09:44]

Beirdo:

hahaha

[06:09:44]

nutron:

Some power savings, and simple sanity for me.

[06:09:53]

Beirdo:

someone did NOT read the release notes

[06:10:43]

[R]:

Beirdo: release whats?

[06:10:57]

wagnerrp:

read>

[06:10:58]

wagnerrp:

?

[06:14:04]

Beirdo:

people that upgrade without reading release notes then whine that things are different..that are covered in the release notes... get no sympathy from me

[06:14:28]

[R]:

NO SYMPATHY FOR YOU

[06:15:07]

nutron:

Mmmm, soup.

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wagnerrp:

theres no point acting all surprised about it, the commits and changelog comments have been on display on the website for 4 months

[06:16:07]

Beirdo:

yeah

[06:16:27]

Beirdo:

and you should always read what's changed before blindly jumping in

[06:16:32]

wagnerrp:

if you cant be bothered to take an interest in mythtv affairs, then you are by all accounts, a pathetic bloody user, ive no sympathy at all

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Beirdo:

OK, I didn't go THAT far

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Beirdo:

hehe

[06:17:53]

wagnerrp:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371724/quotes?qt0351082

[06:18:23]

wagnerrp:

should have been 'apathetic', not 'a pathetic'

[06:18:32]

Beirdo:

an apathetic

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Beirdo:

yeah

[06:19:03]

Beirdo:

wonder where my HHG DVDs are gone

[06:19:14]

Beirdo:

(original series... from the UK)

[06:19:40]

Beirdo:

region 2 :)

[06:19:52]

wagnerrp:

i really need to read those books

[06:19:59]

wagnerrp:

that was a great movie

[06:20:01]

Beirdo:

I need to re-read em

[06:20:56]

wagnerrp:

seems it actually rated better among women then men

[06:21:37]

[R]:

the commerical says topgear is coming to america

[06:21:45]

[R]:

is it uk topgear... or is it american topgear?

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wagnerrp:

american version

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wagnerrp:

the show is crap, people only watch it for the commentary and antics of the stars

[06:23:02]

wagnerrp:

you cant just reproduce that without the right people

[06:23:08]

wagnerrp:

i doubt theyll find them

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[R]:

does anyone else hate the digikey website?

[06:24:18]

[R]:

its running IIS... no wonder, lol

[06:24:25]

wagnerrp:

web... site...?

[06:24:53]

[R]:

i dont have a catalog :(

[06:25:00]

wagnerrp:

you mean you arent buying off the 4000 page catalog/

[06:25:24]

[R]:

i'm looking to get a usb to serial chip and a usb receptacle

[06:25:50]

clever:

[R]: ftdi is generaly the universal solution for that

[06:25:58]

[R]:

clever: yeah... thats what i was leaning towards

[06:26:16]

[R]:

they have a serial and a parallel version... and the serial version is like twice as much... and of course thats the one i need

[06:26:21]

clever:

the driver/chip also has many usefull modes to bitbang anything out

[06:27:14]

[R]:

oh no... 4.5 vs 5.75

[06:27:17]

[R]:

guess its not twice

[06:27:48]

clever:

[R]: what do you plan to use it in?

[06:28:33]

wagnerrp:

anyone read this 'mythvideo idea' put forth on the -dev list?

[06:28:40]

[R]:

clever: i want to use one of those 20x4 lcd devices for my myth backend and i dont want to be lame and just use a parallel port... so i'm gonna use a TI microcontroller and a usb to serial to control it

[06:28:56]

[R]:

wagnerrp: the message was too long

[06:29:08]

clever:

[R]: how many pins does the LCD need for its interface?

[06:29:12]

[R]:

clever: 4

[06:29:16]

[R]:

or 8

[06:29:25]

clever:

[R]: you can handle 4 easily with a bare ftdi i believe

[06:29:26]

wagnerrp:

i cant understand what theyre talking about

[06:29:36]

[R]:

clever: the ftdi is for the computer talking to the TI

[06:29:48]

clever:

[R]: the TI in the middle is completely un-needed

[06:30:05]

[R]:

clever: if i didnt want the ti... i could just use a parallel port and get rid of the chips alltogether

[06:30:24]

[R]:

clever: one of the points is to not have to write a driver

[06:30:43]

clever:

[R]: you already have finished TI code for the lcd?

[06:31:13]

[R]:

theres various microcontroller code written for controlling the lcds and talking the protocol the computer expects

[06:31:21]

[R]:

i'd be frankensteining a few things probably

[06:32:03]

clever:

might be simpler to just get a premade ftdi board, let me grab a link

[06:32:07]

wagnerrp:

'the book also says that if you hold a lung full of breath, you can survive out in space for about'... 2 seconds before your lungs burst out of your chest

[06:32:22]

[R]:

wagnerrp: what's that from?

[06:32:33]

wagnerrp:

HHGTTG

[06:32:38]

[R]:

oh

[06:32:39]

wagnerrp:

: TM

[06:33:28]

clever:

[R]: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9716

[06:33:41]

clever:

a bit more expensive at $14, but no need to mess with the usb wiring it anything

[06:35:43]

[R]:

usb wiring?

[06:35:55]

clever:

the usb traces between the port and ftdi chip

[06:36:13]

[R]:

how hard is that?

[06:36:18]

[R]:

4 wires

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[R]:

really 2 only

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clever:

if the length of the 2 data lines dont match, it will mess with the high speed data

[06:37:22]

[R]:

good thing i dont need high speed

[06:37:39]

clever:

and i believe all USB transfers run at the highest speed the hardware can do

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clever:

it doesnt slow down just because your sending 1 byte per second, each USB level packet is blasted out at full speed

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clever:

[R]: there are also a large number of serial LCD displays, which could connect directly to the ftdi without any special drivers

[06:41:15]

[R]:

its about being fun

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[R]:

if i watned to jkust do it... id just wire ti up to my parallel port

[06:42:03]

clever:

i can see what you mean

[06:42:14]

clever:

i'm using the c++ JS debug api in firefox to fix a script

[06:42:21]

clever:

when it already has a full UI around that

[06:45:21]

wagnerrp:

has anyone used VIDEO_TS support in mythvideo?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you mmean having a dir with a video_ts directory in it?

[06:47:00]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[06:48:13]

[R]:

whats the point of that?

[06:48:26]

wagnerrp:

i dont understand what is being proposed in this email, because ive never seen the default behavior

[06:48:36]

wagnerrp:

as i understand it, it treats it as a DVD

[06:48:49]

wagnerrp:

and you get the full menu and everything

[06:48:49]

[R]:

yes

[06:49:01]

[R]:

i thihnk i tried it once

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wagnerrp:

it effectively works the same as if you had an ISO in the folder of the same name?

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[R]:

yes

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wagnerrp:

yeah, so now i still dont know what this guy is talking about

[06:50:44]

wagnerrp:

is he doing parsing of the DVD structure

[06:51:10]

wagnerrp:

and separately exposing the main title, and the various bonus content?

[06:51:22]

Beirdo:

I dunno

[06:51:59]

Beirdo:

I took a glancing look at the message and figured iamlindoro would have a better chance of answering it in a sensible manner

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[R]:

i have no clue what he is talking about either

[06:55:05]

wagnerrp:

well at least no one understands what hes talking about... makes me feel better

[07:06:32]

deegan:

huh, this doesnt look very good. mythpreviewgen[13936]: segfault at 9ab6cebe ip b645ae25 sp b1741f30 error 4 in libmythavcodec.so.52.86.1[b636b000+38e000]

[07:07:30]

wagnerrp:

not good, but not that bad

[07:07:49]

wagnerrp:

that was the whole reason for putting the preview generator in an external thread

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wagnerrp:

s/thread/process/

[07:09:05]

Beirdo:

to the cloud...

[07:09:25]

Beirdo:

deegan: did it make the preview?

[07:09:44]

Beirdo:

ie. did it crash while exiting, or choke on the file?

[07:10:13]

wagnerrp:

considering it crashed in the decoder, i assume the latter

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Beirdo:

ah, missed that part

[07:10:37]

deegan:

Beirdo: It exits out to the main menu saying "Error: opening jump to file" but it takes a while.

[07:10:43]

Beirdo:

not much we can do about it if the file's crap

[07:11:12]

Beirdo:

that's usually why the decoder would die :)

[07:11:13]

wagnerrp:

deegan: can you play the file in an external player?

[07:11:20]

wagnerrp:

or is the file completely hosed?

[07:11:22]

deegan:

wagnerrp: havent tried to be honest.

[07:11:27]

deegan:

but i can.

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deegan:

wagnerrp: actually it's a zero-length file because the problem occured while trying to change channel.

[07:13:37]

deegan:

2010-11–18 08:02:40.666 Expiring 0 MB for 2602 at 2010-11–18T07:59:49 => Nyhetsmorgon

[07:13:40]

deegan:

2010-11–18 08:02:40.673 autoexpire: Expiring Program: Expiring 0 MB for 2602 at 2010-11–18T07:59:49 => Nyhetsmorgon

[07:13:57]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: looks like multirec actually works against IPs

[07:47:04]

wagnerrp:

the problem is using both tuners on the HDHR

[07:47:25]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: oh? now that's also interesting

[07:48:10]

wagnerrp:

same behavior with two tuners on both linux and BSD with accessing with IPs

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wagnerrp:

trying multirec again to confirm that

[07:48:38]

Beirdo:

that sounds like something fairly solid to get tracked down

[07:49:24]

wagnerrp:

one tuner works fine

[07:49:35]

wagnerrp:

the instant i connect to the second tuner, the first recording fails

[07:49:53]

wagnerrp:

the second recording runs fine until mythbackend recognizes the failure of the first and terminates it

[07:50:04]

wagnerrp:

and teardown of the first causes the second to fail

[07:50:25]

Beirdo:

interesting

[07:50:59]

wagnerrp:

hehe

[07:51:27]

wagnerrp:

when you have three instances of livetv all watching 'poker after dark' with a few dozen millisecond latency

[07:51:35]

wagnerrp:

shuffling of chips sounds like crickets

[07:53:20]

Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

great... coke on my laptop keyboard

[08:05:35]

deegan:

that stuff is sticky.

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Beirdo:

powdery

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deegan:

:|

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Beirdo:

? >:{

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Beirdo:

heh

[08:10:29]

deegan:

d:)<-<]:

[08:10:32]

deegan:

I need my coffee..

[08:10:51]

Beirdo:

me too, but it's midnight, so I'll settle for sleep soon

[08:11:14]

deegan:

09:11 AM here so it's warranted. :)

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wagnerrp:

they got rid of the old tonight show band leader?

[08:15:34]

nutron:

top

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lwizardl:

hello

[08:17:00]

lwizardl:

I have seen a few people using live netstreams from online and having them watchable in mythtv. If i wanted to do this also how would I go about setting this up, and 2 how do i find out what streams are available ?

[08:17:29]

wagnerrp:

the only live streaming available through mythtv is multicast IPTV using RTP or RTSP

[08:18:11]

wagnerrp:

chances are comcast does not offer such a service

[08:18:28]

wagnerrp:

now if youre talking about playing flash videos and the like... thats mythnetvision

[08:18:52]

lwizardl:

yeah I was looking for stuff like c-span, foxbusiness, etc

[08:19:44]

wagnerrp:

if they make shows available through flash, mythnetvision can use them

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lwizardl:

ok

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wagnerrp:

once you set up a grabber script for them anyway

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ticket submitted, #9247

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: probably something that will quickly lead to the issue

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wagnerrp:

the problem even exists if the tuners are defined on two different hosts

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wagnerrp:

go figure that one out

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Beirdo:

wow

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wagnerrp:

first tuner on my MBE, second tuner on my SBE

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wagnerrp:

having the SBE hit the second tuner still causes disconnection of the MBE

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wagnerrp:

you know...

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wagnerrp:

i almost wonder if its not actually going to the second tuner

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wagnerrp:

as in... if youre in IP mode, it always hits the first

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wagnerrp:

lets test that one

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats exactly it

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

pretty

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wagnerrp:

guess ill revise the ticket

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Beirdo:

oh look.

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Beirdo:

I found a bug in beirdobot (usage)

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Beirdo:

if I tell it to enable a plugin... the only way to make that persistant is to modify a record by hand in the database

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Beirdo:

smart one, bonehead

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Beirdo:

!trout

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** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

I think once I fix that, I should tag v0.5

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Beirdo:

OK, bedtime

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stuartm:

!seen knowledgejunkie

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MythLogBot:

knowledgejunkie was last seen 406 days 15 hours 45 minutes 40 seconds ago

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lwizardl:

are there any supported cablecards for mythtv ? reason why if I have been thinking about replacing my cablebox and just getting a card

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justinh:

lwizardl: not yet, and even so they'll only allow you to record content marked as 'copy freely' – which is totally at the discretion of your cable company

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justinh:

folks are apparently working on adding cablecard support right now IIRC

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skd5aner:

justinh, lwizardl: with the HDHR Prime

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justinh:

is that available yet or is it still vaporware?

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justinh:

there's a quad tuner cablecard linux driver in the works apparently too

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justinh:

chuffing internet banking. I'm applying for a new mortgage (changing providers) & they want an original bank statement from my bank. so far one week on, still no statement. not a happy pixie

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bjd:

odd they ask for a statement

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bediako:

hello, how can i debug this problem: even though i set "use EIT" for my dvb-c card i can't get any channel information in the guide (mythtv 23.1 on ubuntu 10.10)

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bediako:

i have also tried using xmltv and mythfilldatabase. it runs and fills the database but nothing appears on the guide

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bediako:

all channels are "unknown"

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bediako:

i added the channels by running dvbscan and generating channels.conf which i then added to mythtv

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bediako:

it used to work, i had no problems using EIT data but nowadays for some reason i can't get any EIT data nor show any programs on the guide

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bediako:

the error seems to be: mythfilldatabase does not fill the program table in mythconverg-database

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kenni:

bediako: Use the internal scanner in MythTV, importing a channels.conf will not work with EIT.

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kenni:

bediako: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7701

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Twiggy|worx:

what deinterlacers should I be looking at if I want to use opengl as the renderer?

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bediako:

kenni: but i'm also wondering about why after importing channels.conf and not using EIT mythfilldatabase is not filling the program info. i will try anyway the internal scanner now

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bediako:

kenni: thanks a lot, it works now

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kenni:

bediako: np

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: from a user perspective, what does r27271 fix? segfault? bad audio output? nothing noticeable? Normally wouldn't track things like this, but for -fixes release notes I'm tracking everything that goes into that branch so that people can see exactly what revision is the latest and what went in there...

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wagnerrp:

oh wow...

[16:53:29]

wagnerrp:

this is impressive

[16:53:59]

wagnerrp:

a script that uses SSH to call mysql on the master backend to query about the location of the storage groups

[16:54:16]

wagnerrp:

why he cant just use mysql locally... i cant fathom

[16:54:30]

skd5aner:

not a secure tunnel ;)

[16:55:15]

wagnerrp:

sure, but mythfrontend /on the same machine/ sure seems content with it

[16:55:25]

Twiggy|worx:

wagnerrp, you had said before that you use opengl as your renderer(i think) what deinterlacer do you use for hd playback?

[16:56:03]

wagnerrp:

dont remember

[16:56:43]

Twiggy|worx:

would it take a hefty processor to do 2x deinterlacing?

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wagnerrp:

not if you use the (HW) filters, which perform deinterlacing on your opengl shader hardware

[16:58:27]

Twiggy|worx:

gotcha

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Twiggy|worx:

where do I find the available filters? I found the ones for vdpau in the vdpau page

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: it reduces a possibility of a segfault. In reality, it probably won't make any difference, but reading unintialized or unallocated memory can be fatal at times

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I'll just mark it as "prevents segfault", but like I said – I'm tracking even trivial things committed to -fixes

[17:00:23]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: thanks

[17:00:30]

Beirdo:

in a running program not under valgrind, it's likely allocated to something else, so we may never segfault

[17:00:55]

skd5aner:

Yea, but user's will never know and it makes you look better ;)

[17:01:05]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you can thank valgrind for that one

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skd5aner:

and, it's not really that far off from the truth really

[17:02:04]

Beirdo:

I have another that I should have tested last night, but I was too busy USING the frontend :)

[17:02:54]

Beirdo:

an uninitialized variable in mythuibuttontree

[17:03:23]

Beirdo:

all it needs is to be initialized to false as it may not get set otherwise :)

[17:03:37]

Beirdo:

anywho... off to work

[17:12:30]

Twiggy|worx:

jw if anybody has commented about the mythweb errors if you view upcoming recordings and there are no upcoming recordings

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Twiggy|worx:

is there a way to run mythfilldatabase over mythweb?

[17:18:40]

wagnerrp:

no

[17:19:37]

Twiggy|worx:

oh, well I just checked and its scheduled to run at noonish. I set up a schedulesdirect account and it gathered all the listings but didnt give me anymore than a day

[17:19:59]

tgm4883:

iamlindoro, shouldn't be seeing the "No results found for The Matrix 0 0" issue anymore from tmdb.py

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** iamlindoro rejoices **

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tgm4883:

was that error for old bindings, or no binding?

[17:20:19]

Twiggy|worx:

It says I have program info for 9 days but it all says no data

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: "yes"

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, thats what I thought :)

[17:20:50]

iamlindoro:

No results means that for whatever reason, be it invalid input or just plain no results, there's nothing to parse/work with

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, ok, that was causing me some confusion for awhile, I thought it just meant old bindings

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JEDIDIAH__:

how's broadcom support these days? Dell just released a hybrid netbook with it.

[17:21:54]

tgm4883:

but if it's a backend or frontend, it should have them now

[17:22:02]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: good, glad to hear that

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tgm4883:

so if you see any other issues of it, and they have at least fixes27277, ping me

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CyberKnet:

Are there any really cheap usb tv tuners that work with Myth? I want to do a little play experimenting on a windows machine, but I'd prefer not to waste the money and be able to use it with MythTV when I'm done...

[17:23:59]

CyberKnet:

cheapest I saw so far from LinuxTV was the Hauppauge HVR-950Q at $65

[17:24:01]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: will do, thank you

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tgm4883:

yw

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Twiggy|worx:

CyberKnet, I am using an ATI Usb All in Wonder HD 600, I got it from woot for like $25. It works great

[17:25:29]

CyberKnet:

HD, or just NTSC?

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CyberKnet:

oh, HD.

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Twiggy|worx:

HD

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CyberKnet:

my bad.

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CyberKnet:

Have a few more questions, but I'll go look it up on linuxtv.org to see if they are answered there.

[17:26:55]

CyberKnet:

Aaah, it doesn't support QAM.

[17:27:04]

CyberKnet:

That's unfortunate.

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CyberKnet:

Perhaps I should ask this in #linuxtv instead...

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: wondering if im starting a brush fire over this 'iso-play.sh' script

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Brad-D:

hi wagnerrp. Hoping to get some advice from you. I just bought a 46" lcd tv for my bedroom, and I want to put a dedicated small footprint frontend there as well.

[17:43:22]

Brad-D:

On the mailing list, alot of people talk about the Acer Revo, is that still the best route to take?

[17:43:36]

Brad-D:

I don't care as much about price, but want a small footprint, that will play hd, and give me limited hassles.

[17:43:51]

wagnerrp:

it makes a decent frontend if all your content can be played through VDPAU

[17:44:02]

wagnerrp:

if your content cant, youre hosed

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Brad-D:

i record all my content on the hdpvr, so that should be okay?

[17:44:41]

wagnerrp:

anything HDPVR should be fine

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justinh:

who cares about the footprint if it's in another room? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

ATSC recordings will be a problem if you have significant error

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wagnerrp:

anything flash will be a problem

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Brad-D:

lol, well i have a small condo, and a bunch of servers.. my house already feels like a datacenter!

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justinh:

a bunch of servers? what for? :-O

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Brad-D:

so that is the "decent frontend" option in your words. Is there a "fantastic frontend" option? :>

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wagnerrp:

porn! what else?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Brad-D:

well i have my mythbackend, with 8 drives, my main gaming computer, and then my living room front end/backend with a bunch more drives

[17:45:54]

Beirdo:

the IRC server we are using... uses a variable called p_or_n

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justinh:

one server is one too many IMHO :)

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: it's the 21st century, nobody stores porn anymore. streaming baby!

[17:46:16]

wagnerrp:

i was actually looking through things last night

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justinh:

bit of a sod if you can't play flash though, that streamed stuff

[17:46:50]

wagnerrp:

was looking at an H55 mini-itx board, i3–530, 2GB of memory, and an undecided small case

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justinh:

what kind of cpu do you need to cope with playing flash video at 1080 in linux then?

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wagnerrp:

something like an M350 would work well for your your purposes

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wagnerrp:

along with a picopsu and external brick

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justinh:

and by 'play' I mean without tearing etc ;)

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wagnerrp:

stuff it all into that M350 and mount it to the VESA mounts on your tv

[17:48:08]

wagnerrp:

or if youre already using those, a bit of velcro to strap it to the back

[17:48:47]

wagnerrp:

still not ideal... nvidia graphics is preferred over intel, and ive never liked power bricks

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I like my H55 board ;)

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wagnerrp:

also, the retail heatsink might be too tall for the M350, and you may need an aftermarket one

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wagnerrp:

or cut a hole in the top for it to fit through

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justinh:

forget about judder-free flash playback on Intel in my experience

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wagnerrp:

anyway, without complications, the whole thing should be <$300

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wagnerrp:

and not significantly larger than a revo

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Brad-D:

and so the geforce 9300 on the h55 should be more than enough to do the HD?

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kormoc:

the HDs

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wagnerrp:

justinh: from benchmarks ive seen, the GMA HD units on the i3s and i5s is comparable to the 9400Ms on the IONs in power

[17:51:01]

wagnerrp:

Brad-D: no nvidia chipset works with the current Core-i line of processors

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: is nvidia the only graphics card that supports VDPAU?

[17:51:23]

wagnerrp:

yes

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, it's a nvidia tech

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justinh:

wagnerrp: performance isn't really the issue. it's just a lack of flash being able to sync to redraws

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CyberKnet:

just confirming.

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wagnerrp:

but the i3–530 should be powerful enough to decode just about anything you want in software

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Beirdo:

meeting time. sigh

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CyberKnet:

So anything other than nvidia for graphics means no hardware assisted decode.

[17:52:12]

justinh:

CyberKnet: and no hw assistance for flash anyway

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: so with this setup, i would be doing all my processing on the CPU instead of vdpau?

[17:52:22]

wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: not anything production grade currently, no

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CyberKnet:

flash schmash.

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wagnerrp:

Intel and AMD both support VAAPI

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wagnerrp:

but mythtv doesnt well yet

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: correct

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wagnerrp:

which is the reason i mentioned it was still not an ideal system

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Brad-D:

ahh okay

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justinh:

CyberKnet: BBC iPlayer, hulu etc..

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Brad-D:

hmmm

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justinh:

most things in mythnetvision...

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CyberKnet:

Yeah. I tend to not use mythnetvision.

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CyberKnet:

trying to find anything in hulu in mythnetvision.. ugh.

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justinh:

blinking drm :-\

[17:54:58]

CyberKnet:

why can't hulu just present a list of shows? it's horrible to try to scan through "most popular" or "Added today", etc to find something.

[17:55:01]

sgsax:

I'm still waiting for somebody to reverse-engineer a roku player

[17:55:04]

justinh:

not that it actually serves to stop people ripping the streams in any case.. as if anybody'd want to

[17:55:12]

sgsax:

so I can get netflix on linux

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sgsax:

rather surprised it hasn't happened yet

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wagnerrp:

sgsax: doing so is threatened by serious jail time

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justinh:

I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised it hasn't happened

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justinh:

anyway who cares to 'rent' low bitrate streams from netflix?

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kormoc:

justinh, it's pretty snazzy for some content, but then I tend not to watch tv, just listen

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RDV_Linux__:

CyberKnet: That is because Hulu only has specific RSS feeds. If you want to set customized search terms refer to the wiki for Hulu. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hulu.py#Adding_your_own_search_terms

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justinh:

iPlayer stuff isn't bad, for free. I'd just love the playback not to tear

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justinh:

I dunno if I'll ever use MNV tbh. being limited to embedding the video in a browser really sucks. myth is fantastic but service providers shouldn't be so ... NNNNNNNNNNNNG

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justinh:

s/service/content/

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sgsax:

so for hulu, I've just been forking off to huluplayer

[18:00:41]

sgsax:

my new fe can hadnle it now

[18:00:45]

sgsax:

*handle

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sgsax:

is there a better way to do it within myth?

[18:00:54]

kormoc:

I can't seem to get it to work right

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kormoc:

mythnetvision will run it in mythbrowser

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CyberKnet:

RDV_Linux__: Yeah, I think that Hulu's RSS feeds provided are next to useless. I added another one that had a *great* rss feed list: it had one entry for each show, then listed episodes for each... but none of the shows I wanted to watch. Still, I think they provided a stellar experience.

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CyberKnet:

RDV_Linux__: So I'm not trashing mythnetvision... I'm saying that I think Hulu's RSS feed is useless.

[18:01:56]

sgsax:

I looked a bit at myth vodka yesterday, but didn't test it

[18:02:06]

wagnerrp:

you cant test it

[18:02:14]

wagnerrp:

it only worked during pre-0.22 builds of MythTV

[18:02:18]

sgsax:

ah

[18:02:23]

sgsax:

I've got .23 now

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RDV_Linux__:

CyberKnet: Did not take offence. I just think you may be able to get what you want from those customized searches. They are very very powerful.

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wagnerrp:

besides, im pretty sure it used a program for extracting video from hulu that was disabled over a year and a half ago

[18:03:09]

CyberKnet:

RDV_Linux__: I certainly think I could too, and I appreciate the link :)

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sgsax:

it seemed like it was pretty vulerable to an API change from hulu

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justinh:

aren't they always?

[18:03:32]

sgsax:

probably

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, didn't they do IP blocks on users of that grabber too? or was it a different grabber...

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justinh:

just wait til it's all embedded in the teevees & there's nothing you can do about the way it's presented. Muhahahahaha. MUHAHAHA HA HA HA HA

[18:03:59]

sgsax:

huludesktop is an intersting idea, but it's a pretty fat client

[18:04:16]

sgsax:

anybody using boxee from myth?

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Brad-D:

I think i'm going to get this: Acer Aspire Revo AR3700-U3002 Intel Atom D525(1.80GHz) 2GB DDR3 250GB NVIDIA ION Any caveats before I pull the trigger? Aside from the inability to play non vdpau content?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: no idea

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wagnerrp:

it used the old rtmpe ripper that boxee used to

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justinh:

didn't boxee get slapped for hulu'ing too a while ago?

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: just that one, it has no power to do anything useful on the CPU

[18:05:45]

wagnerrp:

justinh: yeah, back in early 2009, the whole rtmpe stuff

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Brad-D:

will it be able to play dvd's stored on the network? or that would be cpu based?

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justinh:

heh. just googled that & now I see that netflix & hulu+ are coming to the boxee box

[18:06:25]

wagnerrp:

Brad-D: even DVD playback is within the capability of the lowly Atom

[18:06:30]

wagnerrp:

but it should be supported by VDPAU

[18:06:38]

Brad-D:

:>

[18:06:48]

wagnerrp:

justinh: yeah, theyre an official supported partner now

[18:06:58]

Brad-D:

does anyone know of any other "premade" systems like the revo, that are more powerful, and still small?

[18:07:00]

wagnerrp:

same with netflix

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justinh:

Brad-D: mac mini?

[18:07:33]

kormoc:

mac mini

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justinh:

smaller, more powerful.. but oh boy the $$$

[18:07:38]

CyberKnet:

hmmm. I don't see any cheap usb tuners that support QAM. :|

[18:07:52]

kormoc:

justinh, it's really not that much more then a atom + dvd drive

[18:08:04]

justinh:

not til you do the $ to £ conversion

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justinh:

:-\

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kormoc:

justinh, maybe for you guys, haven't looked internationally, but here it's only $100 moreish

[18:08:38]

kormoc:

$600 vs $700

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: what what kind of expensive atoms are you looking at

[18:08:51]

justinh:

here the basic mac mini is like £699

[18:09:08]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, ones with optical drives

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JEDIDIAH__:

The Revo will not accelerate divx but this is only a problem for HD content. The usual MPEG2 and h264 stuff will be fine.

[18:09:28]

justinh:

oh wait.. only £599

[18:09:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

Hulu/Flash iwon't work on the Revo

[18:09:33]

wagnerrp:

they charge that much excessively more just for a $50 slim optical drive?

[18:09:41]

kormoc:

yeah

[18:10:14]

justinh:

I think the pile of actual cash a mac mini costs is actually bigger than the machine

[18:10:28]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: not sure why anyone would eve use divx for HD

[18:10:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

...depends on what size bills you use (for the pile of cash)

[18:11:02]

JEDIDIAH__:

divx is easy on the cpu

[18:11:32]

wagnerrp:

only because of the abysmal bitrates people use on them

[18:11:35]

JEDIDIAH__:

there is always legacy content to consider.

[18:11:36]

CyberKnet:

Ugh. The foodhandler in the deli in our office building doesn't remove his apron when he goes to the rest room. He also doesn't lift the apron, just "pushes it aside". And people in my office *still* go and get food from that deli.

[18:11:39]

CyberKnet:

*shudder*

[18:11:50]

CyberKnet:

I.e. this is the guy that is making the sandwiches.

[18:11:53]

CyberKnet:

gross.

[18:11:55]

wagnerrp:

for matched quality, DivX is only going to manage maybe 30–40% better compression than MPEG2

[18:12:13]

wagnerrp:

at which bitrate it will be considerably more CPU intensive than MPEG2

[18:12:40]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, health department time!

[18:12:47]

JEDIDIAH__:

well, since compressing is a matter of trading off a number of things, it's silly to restrict the argument to "matched quality". It's all pretty moot these days anyways.

[18:13:02]

kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, if it's moot, why bring it up?

[18:13:19]

CyberKnet:

kormoc: No kidding. I just don't understand how people in my office who *know* about his regular habits (it's not a once off thing) still go to get food there.

[18:13:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

I said "pretty moot"

[18:13:34]

JEDIDIAH__:

divx still makes some sense for portable devices.

[18:13:40]

CyberKnet:

"I'd like a green salad with a side of e-coli please!"

[18:13:46]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, at least urine is sterile

[18:14:02]

wagnerrp:

there are only a handful of older portable devices that support ASP and not h264

[18:14:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

e-coli already comes for free with your packaged pre-cut lettuce anyways.

[18:14:04]

kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, only from cheap knockoffs from two years ago...

[18:14:22]

CyberKnet:

"Oh, and could I have an extra serving of ball sweat dressing? thanks!"

[18:14:42]

JEDIDIAH__:

h264 is fine if you've go the time to mess with it.

[18:15:01]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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[18:15:34]

wagnerrp:

if youre concerned about space on portable devices, there should be no option but h264

[18:15:56]

CyberKnet:

h264, and a supercomputer to compress it.

[18:16:09]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, meh, it's not /that/ bad

[18:16:34]

wagnerrp:

if youre on a portable device, youre going to be doing it at significantly constrained resolution and bitrate

[18:16:44]

JEDIDIAH__:

yes it is that bad. that's why there is special purpose h264 decoding hardware for PCs.

[18:16:46]

wagnerrp:

meaning any decent modern process can do it in well excess of real time

[18:17:17]

kormoc:

oh, my mistake, guess my experiences with it are delusional and not based on reality at all

[18:17:30]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: because there is a /vast/ difference between 480p@2mbps for a portable device and 1080p@30mbps for bluray

[18:17:42]

CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: +1

[18:18:04]

kormoc:

my little mac mini encodes to h264 for the iphone/ipod in real time just fine...

[18:18:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

I think the h264 fanboys are suffering from Helsink Syndrome.

[18:18:39]

CyberKnet:

No, it's truthful. Encoding for portable devices (i.e. not full resolution and bitrate) is not too bad.

[18:18:40]

kormoc:

and I think you're just trolling again

[18:19:01]

CyberKnet:

It's when I want to transcode to h264 for primary viewing that a supercomputer comes into play.

[18:19:08]

wagnerrp:

i think mpeg4 asp is garbage, and only a moderate improvement over mpeg2

[18:20:39]

wagnerrp:

it was simply never intended for good quality

[18:20:49]

wagnerrp:

it was supposed to be 'decent enough' for low bitrate stuff

[18:21:10]

JEDIDIAH__:

that word doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

[18:21:14]

wagnerrp:

and its handling of gradients shows its limitations very easily

[18:21:53]

wagnerrp:

you can crank up the bitrate as high as you want and it still wont handle blacks and other nearly solid colors well

[18:22:25]

wagnerrp:

when h264 looks better, compresses better, and has better hardware support

[18:22:40]

wagnerrp:

why bother with divx (asp) except for the fringe cases that dont support h264

[18:24:45]

wagnerrp:

dont consider me an h264 'fanboi', im in favor of just leaving everything in mpeg2 unless there are storage or compatibility issues that cannot be otherwise resolved

[18:25:12]

wagnerrp:

any kind of transcoding is really too time consuming to be worthwhile just for bulk storage

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skd5aner:

Yea, I would tend to agree... sure, h.264 is more processor intensive to encode/decode, but who cares – most devices are capable of handling it at appropriate resolutions/bitrates – I mean, it's what the iPod has defaulted to since it received video capabilities like 4 years ago

[18:29:53]

skd5aner:

and dixv/xvid... never really garnered near the support that h.264 already has in many embedded devices

[18:33:15]

skd5aner:

h.264 PQ slaughters divx ASP, even with lower bit rates

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stuartm:

the breadth of support and usage of H.264, plus the fact that divx is a whole generation behind it in terms of quality, well it's a no-brainer

[19:11:08]

Chiwauwa:

On to the next project. Wakeup ... When is the 'Command to set wakeup time:" called? When MythBackend is shut down? Where to look for it in the log files ... it doesn't seem to be called and I've followed the guide on the wiki.

[19:12:39]

stuartm:

divx was a solution for a time when portable devices had low quality/res screens and limited processing power, or more controversially when torrent users wanted to get the latest films even faster and couldn't care less about quality

[19:14:19]

dewman:

I watch all my films in monochrome... hehe

[19:15:54]

stuartm:

I'm no H.264 fan, how can anyone love a patent encumbered 'standard' which is controlled by bullies such as Apple and Microsoft, but being realistic there isn't a better alternative right now – VP8/WebM might be ok for web video but no serious company is going to start broadcasting/distributing content using it

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Beirdo:

heh. #9250 didn't last long

[19:29:30]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: the silicondust guys caught yer bug, and are going to investigate. Good job :)

[19:30:28]

wagnerrp:

someone else on the mailing list actually found it was related to the manual IP stuff

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wagnerrp:

well, at least that means i can run one tuner off my MBE

[19:35:28]

wagnerrp:

and make it a real backend

[19:37:44]

wagnerrp:

why are the IVTV cards set to use a 12 second tuning timeout?

[19:42:54]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I definitely don't want that monster on my Blu-ray page, that's for damn sure

[19:43:21]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: couldn't say

[19:43:57]

skd5aner:

man, I didn't realize that mythtv-dev had fallen on such tough times lately... and right after a release too, what a shame – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/460516

[19:44:37]

skd5aner:

but, why does mythtv-dev own a car?!

[19:45:17]

Twiggy|worx:

moreso, how many devs fit in this car

[19:45:50]

Twiggy|worx:

Is it a geo metro and 8 devs ride at once, or more?

[19:49:57]

Beirdo:

5 in seats... 2 in the trunk, 2 strapped to the roof

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: nonsense, you can stuff at least 8 people between the seats

[19:50:30]

wagnerrp:

another on the floor

[19:50:40]

kormoc:

one inside the dash

[19:50:45]

wagnerrp:

two more laying across the laps of the people in the rear bench seat

[19:50:48]

Beirdo:

oooh, forgot the dash

[19:51:01]

Beirdo:

and one as a hood ornament

[19:51:06]

Twiggy|worx:

lol and 2x4's in the springs to keep the car off the ground

[19:51:14]

kormoc:

speaking of, shouldn't it have been called a "dialboard" rather then a "dashboard"?

[19:51:17]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: that guy is taking point

[19:51:25]

justinh:

there should be a rule that no more than 2 mythtv devs can be in the same place at the same time

[19:51:30]

skd5aner:

Sounds more like mythtv-dev is living in the car – ouch

[19:51:44]

Beirdo:

justinh: that would be a problem.

[19:52:01]

Beirdo:

that means no more going drinking with xris and kormoc ;)

[19:52:25]

justinh:

heh. well, I mean what's xris done for mythtv lately ;-)

[19:52:36]

Beirdo:

heyyy.

[19:52:45]

justinh:

kidding!

[19:52:47]

Beirdo:

now you behave or I'll walk over to his desk :)

[19:53:08]

Beirdo:

BTW, I'm catching up to you in commit count

[19:53:20]

Beirdo:

you are my next target :)

[19:53:21]

skd5aner:

"Daddy... they're saying bad things about you... and I said you could beat up THEIR Dad... so NAH NAH NAH NAH!"

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justinh:

next target? wouldnt be that hard to overtake my commit count surely

[19:55:03]

Beirdo:

you're at 183

[19:55:04]

skd5aner:

I thikn you two should race... first one to 1000 wins

[19:55:08]

Beirdo:

I'm at 151 ;)

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Beirdo:

although with the branch with the myth_system changes... whenever that hits master, I'll be past you, I'm sure

[19:55:50]

Beirdo:

but I'll probably squash a lot of that stuff

[19:55:56]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: just going to merge your repository in?

[19:56:03]

wagnerrp:

rather than make one bit commit

[19:56:07]

wagnerrp:

big

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Beirdo:

yeah, when it gets there, the branch will get merged

[19:56:37]

stuartm:

a race would be interesting, each commit much be a substantive change etc, GO!

[19:56:40]

Beirdo:

although, I'll probably squash down our changes into several bite-sized related patches

[19:57:00]

Beirdo:

that's a little ways off, of course :)

[19:57:10]

Beirdo:

we got a pile o' testing to do yet ;)

[19:57:13]

stuartm:

much? er, must

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Beirdo:

after justinh, my next target is wagnerrp :)

[19:57:54]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:58:04]

Beirdo:

although he's fairly active.

[19:58:09]

wagnerrp:

hey now... just look at our commit rates

[19:58:22]

wagnerrp:

200something in under a year

[19:58:30]

wagnerrp:

versus 150something... five years?

[19:58:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, I expect we both will just go up in ranks together-ish

[19:58:45]

Beirdo:

most of the 150ish has been in under a year

[19:59:01]

wagnerrp:

now how many of those were meaningful commits

[19:59:12]

wagnerrp:

and how many were misspellings or minor glitch fixes

[19:59:20]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:59:23]

Beirdo:

for either of us

[19:59:29]

stuartm:

or fixes for bugs you introduced

[19:59:41]

Beirdo:

yeah, well :)

[19:59:57]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: well pretty much all of them were fixes for bugs ive introduced

[19:59:57]

Beirdo:

or fixes for bugs others introduced

[20:00:18]

wagnerrp:

not much left of those python bindings but stuff ive written

[20:00:19]

stuartm:

I aim for 1 in 10 of my commits to be useful, the rest ... well the less said about those the better

[20:00:28]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:00:58]

Beirdo:

will take me a LONG time to catch stuartm

[20:01:02]

Beirdo:

if I ever do

[20:01:13]

Beirdo:

#3 on the list

[20:01:22]

dustybin:

what database setting / file location does mythweb require to activate imbd script?

[20:01:22]

** skd5aner will now be suspicious of Beirdo if stuartm goes missing **

[20:01:26]

wagnerrp:

i think theres still some of the older mythproto functions in methodheap.py that ive never touched

[20:01:38]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: imbd script?

[20:01:42]

Beirdo:

now why would I want him to go missing? :)

[20:01:46]

wagnerrp:

internet movie betadase?

[20:01:46]

dustybin:

using mythvideo on mythweb

[20:01:50]

dustybin:

yep

[20:01:58]

dustybin:

Edit IMBD <- this

[20:02:03]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: only way you're probably going to catch him in commits

[20:02:07]

wagnerrp:

we dont use imbd for anything

[20:02:08]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:02:12]

wagnerrp:

or imdb for that batter

[20:02:14]

wagnerrp:

matter

[20:02:20]

Beirdo:

nah, I think I'm happy to be behind him :)

[20:02:25]

dustybin:

oh sorry

[20:02:27]

dustybin:

IMDB

[20:02:31]

wagnerrp:

nor should you use anything mythvideo from within mythweb

[20:02:32]

stuartm:

skd5aner: yeah, why would Beirdo want me to go missing? That invites too much investigation, he kill me and make it look like natural causes

[20:02:43]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: why not?

[20:02:48]

Beirdo:

heh. died from drinking too much scotch?

[20:03:06]

stuartm:

"he'd" << Now you see why 90% of my commits are to fix my own typos :p

[20:03:17]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: because its broken

[20:03:20]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I can see you've already prepared for the impending attack that Beirdo is preparing... biding his time

[20:03:21]

dustybin:

ohhhh

[20:03:27]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: should i use the frontend instead

[20:03:34]

dustybin:

using 'm' key

[20:03:34]

wagnerrp:

yes

[20:03:36]

dustybin:

if i remember

[20:03:37]

Beirdo:

hah. I'd have to get to the UK first.

[20:03:42]

dustybin:

ace

[20:03:43]

wagnerrp:

are you on 0.24?

[20:03:45]

dustybin:

yes

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Beirdo:

and then I'd probably be the one dying of too much scotch

[20:03:56]

wagnerrp:

then just tell it to do a batch update

[20:04:02]

dustybin:

oh wow

[20:04:04]

stuartm:

Beirdo: I'm sure to die of alcohol poisoning if anyone ever delivers on all the beers I've been promised ;)

[20:04:13]

** Beirdo eyes the bottle of Lagavulin 16yr within arm-reach **

[20:04:18]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:04:23]

wagnerrp:

you can do batch updating for any content not previously processed

[20:04:28]

Beirdo:

yeah, you are owed a few tankers full

[20:04:30]

kormoc:

it won't get to 20 years with you eyeing it like that

[20:04:38]

skd5aner:

My favorite is when I see people make a second commit to fix a typo and they say "fix type made in {{commit#}}" – lol

[20:04:38]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:04:55]

skd5aner:

I just love the irony in that

[20:05:26]

Beirdo:

OK, Abba... get the heck outta my head!

[20:05:35]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: is batch update done from CLI

[20:05:50]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: support some local Seattle music, you got plenty to choose from

[20:05:51]

** Beirdo drowns it out with The Real McKenzies **

[20:05:53]

dustybin:

i cannot find a frontend option, only 'Retrieve Details'

[20:05:56]

wagnerrp:

no, from the UI

[20:06:05]

Beirdo:

not quite local, but close enough... Vancouver

[20:06:33]

skd5aner:

ABBA? They're from Sweden dude

[20:06:45]

Beirdo:

The Real McKenzies...

[20:06:47]

Beirdo:

geesh

[20:07:09]

dustybin:

Video Metadata Settings :D

[20:07:10]

Beirdo:

no more "Fernando" on loop in my head, thanks

[20:07:14]

** dustybin feels excited **

[20:07:26]

dustybin:

Enable random trailor playback!!!

[20:07:27]

dustybin:

wow

[20:07:34]

skd5aner:

If you want something off the beaten path, I'm listening to a Seattle band as we speak – "Mt. St. Helens Vietnam Band" – pretty terrible name, but their music has grown on me

[20:07:38]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: thats not a new option

[20:07:43]

wagnerrp:

that was added in 0.23

[20:07:46]

dustybin:

ohh

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wagnerrp:

wow... kkuphal, havent head from him in a while

[20:10:14]

wagnerrp:

heard

[20:10:18]

Beirdo:

yeah

[20:10:37]

Beirdo:

releases get all sorts outta the woodwork

[20:11:01]

wagnerrp:

yeah, last time he was around was shortly after the 0.22 release

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, kkuphal came in here a few days ago... asked a question and no one responded... I said something basically as he exited

[20:13:13]

wagnerrp:

!seen kkuphal

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MythLogBot:

kkuphal was last seen 1 day 22 hours 32 minutes 47 seconds ago

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skd5aner:

I basically said the same thing "wow – there's a name I haven't heard in a long time"

[20:13:58]

skd5aner:

!seen bjm

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MythLogBot:

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Beirdo:

OK, Amazon knows me too well

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Beirdo:

they just sent me a suggestion email

[20:15:06]

Beirdo:

Tobasco brand Chipotle sauce... 1 gallon

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dustybin:

shes filling up!

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dustybin:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 388410 2010-11–18 20:13 9357_coverart.jpg

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dustybin:

:D

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Beirdo:

wish they had something between 5oz and 1gal

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skd5aner:

lol, that is pretty big difference

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Beirdo:

love the stuff, but not willing to buy by the gallon

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dustybin:

Beirdo: do you like your food and drink?

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skd5aner:

<chants> CHUG... CHUG... CHUG...

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dustybin:

does .24 provide a way to show fanart without using the CLI?

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iamlindoro:

You've never needed the CLI to show fanart

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skd5aner:

show it in the CLI?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: you mean you didn't implement the ASCII art converter yet?

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dustybin:

fanart is theme related? it will not show on mythcentre?

[20:19:27]

skd5aner:

correct

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dustybin:

aye ok

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iamlindoro:

We'd need a theme called Mythcentre first

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skd5aner:

zinger

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dustybin:

holy lord

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dustybin:

my frontend just crashed

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** dustybin checks log **

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** Beirdo chuckles **

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: If you say so much as one more nonsense, stream on consciousness word, including any stupid response to this sentence, I will ban you for a day

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iamlindoro:

including crying about it, "sheesh," "oh no" etc.

[20:21:21]

iamlindoro:

or "I'm being quite now"

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iamlindoro:

don't tell me.

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bjd:

ban him anyway ;)

[20:21:29]

iamlindoro:

JUST SHUT UP

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skd5aner:

!parrot dustybin sheesh, I'm being quiet now

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** MythLogBot points at dustybin and says "Nice sheesh, I'm being quiet now parrot you got there!" on behalf of skd5aner... **

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dustybin:

something strange is going on: http://pastebin.com/np02Sppb

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skd5aner:

I guess the parrot doesn't put words in people's mouths... shucks

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skd5aner:

dustybin: it says in the logs... see if mythbackend is locked up

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dustybin:

http://pastebin.com/r9T6ZunM

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dustybin:

maybe the meta script was too much for my system to handle

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iamlindoro:

Maybe you shouldn't use some random meta script and just use the interface as you are intended to

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i havent touched a thing, i turned on the meta settings in mythvideo then did a scan for changes

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iamlindoro:

Then that's not a script, now is it?

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dustybin:

i restarted backend, its working ok now

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dustybin:

2010-11–18 20:27:42.041 Running Grabber: /usr/local/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M iron man

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iamlindoro:

cathartic

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** Beirdo tosses some virtual popcorn into his mouth and puts his feet up to watch the show **

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iamlindoro:

Everyone should have ops when it comes to dustybin

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: !kickdustybin

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iamlindoro:

^^ Feature Reqeust

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iamlindoro:

Request

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wagnerrp:

does the bot have ops?

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Beirdo:

hehe. I need to add that feature to the bot

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Beirdo:

it doesn't, no

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kormoc:

!kickclever

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: FWIW, Trailer/random trailer playback actually dates all the way back to .22

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iamlindoro:

And it was probably six months pre-.22 at that

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wagnerrp:

ah, i was thinking the trailer field wasnt added until later

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I actually got it in before fanart/banner/screenshot support

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19441

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iamlindoro:

two years ago

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orko:

hi. i am running mythtv .23. Some of my records just disappear. or are not even created. currently my box is saying it records but i can not see anyx new file on the file system.

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orko:

But some records work fine.

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orko:

sorry. i am using .24

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Flash__:

orko, the logs should have something useful in them. best place to start

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orko:

nothing usefull.

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orko:

they do not even tell me the name of the file the recoding is using. or where the file should be located.

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orko:

also some of the recordings are in the database after recoding finished but the corresponding file is just not there.

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orko:

Error: offset>181, pes length & current cannot be queried. There is a lot of this stuff. i read that it says that myth can not fin EIT of a channel.

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orko:

can it be that it also the cause that some stuff is not recorded right?

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orko:

The database entyr for the recodings is always there only the mpg file is missing

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Twiggy|worx:

orko, it will not record if it doesnt know what to record

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Twiggy|worx:

You need a guide to record

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orko:

i have a guide . this is how a planned the recording.

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orko:

i schedule the recordings byusing the guide,

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ColdFyre:

kormoc: fix your server

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Beirdo:

oO

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wagnerrp:

what are you doing accessing kormoc's server?

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Beirdo:

probably ebuilds

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the only public thing i know he hosts

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wagnerrp:

nope, thats up

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** Beirdo shrugs :) **

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wagnerrp:

i figured he first mean to say 'Beirdo: fix your server'

[21:26:07]

wagnerrp:

but thats up too

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

well ive got the base jail built, next to make a modified base including all the X libraries, fonts, and such

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wagnerrp:

500MB for the one, lets see how much more Xorg adds

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BDillon:

Wagnerrp: Do you have any opinions on the Jetway nettop boxes?

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BDillon:

still searching. :>

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wagnerrp:

are they ION units?

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sgsax:

side-by-side, anything with ION beats the crap out of embedded Intel graphics

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wagnerrp:

benchmarks put the graphics performance of the GMA HD chips in modern intel processors roughly comparable to the 9400M in ION systems

[21:54:42]

wagnerrp:

if perhaps lacking the much more robust VDPAU support in favor of VAAPI

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wagnerrp:

but youre still stuck with an Atom processor

[21:55:27]

wagnerrp:

ive probably said this 300 times now

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wagnerrp:

but the same opinion holds for EVERY SINGLE ION SYSTEM

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wagnerrp:

if you cant do it with VDPAU, youre pretty much SOL

[21:56:27]

** wagnerrp feels like a broken record **

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ColdFyre:

nope, there are tons of TZ warnings from PHP on kormoc's box

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you should write up a wiki page on the subject

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Beirdo:

then we can make !url ION

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

fat lot of good that will do, someone will just revert it and say IONs grant you infinite wishes... and unicorns

[22:00:54]

Beirdo:

then lock it :)

[22:01:53]

Beirdo:

however, it really should be noted that ION != Atom necessarily. It just happens that no other designs use it yet that are on the market.

[22:02:10]

Beirdo:

it can be used with Core2, but I don't think anyone's built boards to do so

[22:02:10]

iamlindoro:

"It is a well known fact that ION deinterlacing causes near orgasmic bliss. The British used ION systems to pacify the Indian subcontinent and to addict Chines rail workers."

[22:02:19]

wagnerrp:

no, youre just a revisionist historian

[22:02:26]

Beirdo:

BAH

[22:02:28]

wagnerrp:

it just so happens that so is nvidia

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

nvidia has defined ION as the GPU

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Beirdo:

and that's good enough for me

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wagnerrp:

they /used/ to say ION was the combination of that specific GPU/chipset with an Atom

[22:03:41]

Beirdo:

I think that was the ION development platform or something... anyways, they marketing-speak muddled it

[22:03:44]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

then it was that specific GPU/chipset with a low power processor, with since unused support for the Via Nano

[22:04:10]

Beirdo:

fact is, nobody uses that GPU on a mass scale without the Atom anyways

[22:04:21]

wagnerrp:

now its just anything that uses a 9400m or g218m

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Beirdo:

and Atoms are wimpy when dealing with video stuff

[22:04:59]

Beirdo:

they kick butt for firewalls, NAS, etc.

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Beirdo:

but not for anything that requires number crunching

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wagnerrp:

would buildbot compile on every commit? or would it just be run nightly and start bisecting on an error?

[22:07:34]

Beirdo:

the plan is to have both

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Beirdo:

but not every commit... it would delay for 10min after the last commit or something like that

[22:08:20]

Beirdo:

as if there's a burst of commits, we only want to compile the pile together, not restart every 30s

[22:08:42]

Beirdo:

the nightly builds wouldn't do bisecting though

[22:08:50]

Beirdo:

I don't think there's support for that

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wagnerrp:

if youre running on each, i dont see a purpose to a nightly build

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Beirdo:

my thought was perhaps for more thorough testing nightly

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Beirdo:

like the on-commit builds would just build-test

[22:12:29]

Beirdo:

then nightly run the full series of tests that we have yet to define

[22:12:35]

wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

That was the general idea, of course, open to suggestions :)

[22:13:10]

Beirdo:

oh, and you'll love this...

[22:13:15]

Beirdo:

buildbot... is python

[22:13:47]

Beirdo:

unfortunately, it uses twisted

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Beirdo:

so no IPv6

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wagnerrp:

not that its really necessary

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Beirdo:

heh, true

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Beirdo:

but it would be nice

[22:14:56]

wagnerrp:

but i would much more expected it to be written in python/perl than something like straight C

[22:15:09]

** JEDIDIAH__ looks down at his nv9400 mini and contemplates wag's statement. **

[22:15:49]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:15:56]

Beirdo:

yeah, me too.

[22:16:04]

Beirdo:

thankfully, it's not Java :)

[22:16:18]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: according to the current marketing garbage, your mini is an ION! woo!

[22:16:22]

Beirdo:

"please install this JVM to test compile myth" BAH!

[22:16:37]

wagnerrp:

how do you feel to be lumped in with the Atom using masses

[22:17:38]

JEDIDIAH__:

I dunno. I kind of think of it that way myself.

[22:17:41]

sgsax:

so wait, IONs don't grant me unicorns?

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kormoc:

ColdFyre, what server are you talking about?

[22:17:53]

JEDIDIAH__:

I have 3 ION nettops. I don't mind at all.

[22:17:53]

Beirdo:

no, they grant you wedgies

[22:18:03]

sgsax:

all this time... I've been so wrong

[22:18:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

I bought them after the nv mini flaked out.

[22:18:36]

kormoc:

ooh, I see

[22:19:50]

kormoc:

weird

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kormoc:

newest php ebuilds use a different config directory

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

silly ebuilds :)

[22:20:45]

Beirdo:

hit it with a wiffle bat

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wagnerrp:

ive got no problem with people using IONs, i just dont like people buying them with no clue of what theyre getting into

[22:22:57]

wagnerrp:

if they want to do HD commflagging, or any transcoding, or run several tuners and their master backend on it, or flash video...

[22:24:19]

JEDIDIAH__:

ION master backend could be fine if you didn't do any flagging.

[22:24:40]

Beirdo:

several tuners + master should be OK

[22:24:51]

Beirdo:

you may want the DB on a different box

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Beirdo:

and no jobqueue of any kind

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wagnerrp:

several tuners and a bunch of channels means the scheduler is going to take a /long/ time, and the guide downloads much longer

[22:25:41]

Beirdo:

yeah, but much of the scheduler time is mysql time

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Beirdo:

as I said... db elsewhere :)

[22:25:49]

wagnerrp:

and if youve got another, faster computer running your database, just put the master over there

[22:25:54]

Beirdo:

well, yeah

[22:25:59]

Beirdo:

that makes too much sense

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Beirdo:

:)

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JEDIDIAH__:

mysql should not need something more than an ION for this sort of app.

[22:28:13]

JEDIDIAH__:

OTOH, I've looked in the relevant code.

[22:29:02]

ColdFyre:

the kormic.com

[22:29:35]

ColdFyre:

it's fixed :)

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Beirdo:

JEDIDIAH__: scheduling on my i7 takes 8–15s

[22:32:22]

Beirdo:

I'd hate to see it on an atom

[22:33:35]

JEDIDIAH__:

I wonder if the bulk of that could be pre-computed and stored so that only changes need to be recomputed when there is a need to re-run the scheduler.

[22:33:38]

kormoc:

Beirdo, but but but the great JEDIDIAH__ has spoken in an attempt to start conflict! We must fight with him!

[22:34:35]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:34:37]

wagnerrp:

kormoc being someone who has spent a bit of time working on the scheduler code

[22:34:48]

Beirdo:

quite a bit of time :)

[22:38:04]

kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, I really doubt you've looked into the code and came to that conclusion, but if you seriously have some speed up, modify http://www.kormoc.com/stuff/Scheduler%20Profile.sql and send it to me and I'll give it a good shake

[22:39:20]

skd5aner:

kormoc: that reminds me, remember about 2 months ago when you and I were playing around with mythfilldatabase on my system because it was taking 45 minutes... I should try it again after the ugprade to see how it fairs now

[22:39:47]

Beirdo:

sonva... Good Eats on today... Pumpkin Pie

[22:39:52]

skd5aner:

that being said, I did also upgrade the system since then too

[22:39:54]

JEDIDIAH__:

That statement wasn't based on the aesthetics of the code but the idea that you need a supercomputer for a PVR.

[22:40:08]

kormoc:

skd5aner, Aye, and toss me a full log if it takes forever again

[22:40:19]

kormoc:

<JEDIDIAH__> mysql should not need something more than an ION for this sort of app.

[22:40:19]

kormoc:

<JEDIDIAH__> OTOH, I've looked in the relevant code.

[22:40:32]

kormoc:

So you've looked into the code and decided an ion is fine... great...

[22:40:42]

Beirdo:

ship it!

[22:41:02]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: I'm still running with kormoc's test patch from months back

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I'm not, i'm back to vanilla source with one very minor exception

[22:41:47]

skd5aner:

and for mfdb, it's completely vanilla again

[22:41:52]

Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

always like to start from scratch again if I can help it – I only apply patches if a dev really would like me to test on their behalf

[22:42:34]

Beirdo:

makes sense to me

[22:42:51]

Beirdo:

I'm an odd case, I realize

[22:44:14]

skd5aner:

well, your a dev – you at least understand it at a much greater detail than I :)

[22:44:36]

Beirdo:

I'd hope I understand, anyways :)

[22:44:37]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for the ticket

[22:46:58]

skd5aner:

That said, I had JYA's vuvuzella patch applied until I just upgraded again... heh

[22:47:34]

Beirdo:

ooh, tickets.. I should add one before I forget again

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sphery:

didn't I see somewhere that Google TV doesn't do MPEG-2? On list, they're talking about how you'd only have problems with GTV if you're recording to NUV, not ATSC MPEG-2...

[22:51:12]

CyberKnet:

sphery: which list?

[22:51:25]

kormoc:

sphery, that's correct, http://www.googletvforum.org/forum/google-tv- . . . -player.html

[22:51:41]

sphery:

mythtv-users list in the big (huge?) Some notes on Google TV thread

[22:52:00]

sphery:

note that they're not actually doing it, yet--just telling people how great it will be when "someone" makes it do it

[22:52:19]

sphery:

kormoc: heh, yeah, I thought so... wonder if it's just that one player or all?

[22:52:29]

** CyberKnet coughs quietly and wonders if sphery is again looking for logic and reason in the mythtv-users list **

[22:52:30]

kormoc:

just the logitech one right now

[22:52:44]

sphery:

if they're not standard, it kind of makes the whole idea of GTV a lot more murky

[22:52:58]

kormoc:

afaik, it's any formats the hardware supports, not software

[22:53:00]

sphery:

does that mean logitech's is the only player out, now?

[22:53:06]

kormoc:

and so it's up to the hardware guys to pick formats

[22:53:10]

sphery:

ahh

[22:53:15]

kormoc:

aye, logitech is the only gtv player out

[22:53:23]

sphery:

great... customers will /love/ the confusion that causes :)

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sphery:

CyberKnet: yeah, probably shouldn't do that--amazing I /still/ haven't learned better

[22:53:58]

skd5aner:

sphery: I love android – but look how fragmented it is... I expect the GTV model to be similiar

[22:54:03]

** CyberKnet goes off to post on the mythtv-users list how it is now possible to do HDMI capture from any motherboard with an nvidia IGP and an HDMI input **

[22:54:27]

CyberKnet:

guaranteed we get 10–20 replies deep before someone points out the lunacy of it.

[22:54:28]

** Beirdo tosses #9227 over the fence to sphery **

[22:54:30]

tgm4883:

Can someone verify if this is a bug? It looks a lot like multirec to me, but I haven't looked at that many databases https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/671875

[22:54:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

customers are confused anyways...

[22:54:42]

tgm4883:

should just need to look at the description and 2 screenshots

[22:54:51]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, fragmented both by vendor customizations /and/ by version differences (since vendors are dropping support for perfectly good phones and not providing upgrades)

[22:55:10]

sphery:

I do have to think that maybe Apple got something right with the limited/controlled hardware approach

[22:55:17]

skd5aner:

sphery: http://gizmodo.com/5667642/this-is-what-steve . . . -is-fcked-up

[22:55:44]

CyberKnet:

the android phone is for porn...

[22:55:45]

JEDIDIAH__:

that approach is fine if you want to import everything into itunes including stuff that your $50 DVD player handles.

[22:56:18]

skd5aner:

sphery: on top of that, there's only 2 (maybe 3 if I'm forgetting one) phones that are vanilla android – the Nexus and the Droid (original) – all the other ones have custom UI components put on top of them, like Moto blur, and there's multiple versions of that even

[22:56:44]

** CyberKnet is hoping for the Nexus S to come out soon **

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Beirdo:

isn't #9255 a dupe?

[22:57:52]

sphery:

tgm4883: that's proper config for multirec--the change is that in 0.23-fixes, if you never went into the screen where you config multirec, you got no multirec; but if you went into that screen, you got 2-tuner multirec. So, some user decided it should always just do 2-tuner multirec... user just needs to set up that screen with no virtual tuners

[22:57:52]

CyberKnet:

then again ... Honeycomb will be early next year. Ugh. I always seem to have "wait for the next version"-itis when it comes to android phones.

[22:58:28]

kenni:

Beirdo: I don't think so, but there're two threads on users about it

[22:58:35]

skd5aner:

CyberKnet: in that case, you really mean "wait for 2 versions from now"-itis ;)

[22:58:44]

tgm4883:

sphery, thanks, thats what I thought but he says that it set to one virtual tuner

[22:58:46]

Beirdo:

kenni: ahhh, that coulda been it

[22:58:50]

skd5aner:

since Gingerbread hasn't officially been released yet

[22:58:51]

kenni:

Beirdo: nothing conclusive though

[22:58:58]

tgm4883:

sphery, i'll tell him to check again saying I checked with you guys

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Beirdo:

mmm, gingerbread

[22:59:23]

sphery:

tgm4883: I'm almost positive that's correct--but I don't use multirec... Someone who does (or who is near a mythtv box) might be able to get you exact location in mythtv-setup to config it (and exact settings).

[22:59:23]

Beirdo:

yummy

[22:59:46]

Beirdo:

heh, I use multirec, but am about 2–3 miles from the mythbox

[22:59:49]

tgm4883:

sphery, yea I've looked at it myself, its in step 1 of the tuner setup

[23:00:15]

** sphery waits for the users to start complaining that with the new "now we start with 2x multirec tuners/inputs" change, they're cards/inputs are "mis-numbered" after they remove the multirec tuners **

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tgm4883:

sphery, what does it matter if they are misnumbered?

[23:00:48]

tgm4883:

it's not pretty, or is there a tech reason

[23:00:53]

sphery:

nothing--except to the compulsive

[23:00:57]

tgm4883:

ah

[23:00:58]

sphery:

really, the user should /never/ see the id

[23:01:08]

Beirdo:

sphery: that will get fixed in 0.25

[23:01:11]

Beirdo:

we do though

[23:01:17]

Beirdo:

in mythweb, status page

[23:01:18]

tgm4883:

yea I noticed mythweb shows it much different in 0.24

[23:01:21]

tgm4883:

very nice

[23:01:29]

sphery:

existing users complain that they're mis-numbered and then they get told to delete all to renumber them

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[23:01:39]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, but they should /not/ see them...

[23:01:44]

Beirdo:

sphery: yes, with our current method :)

[23:01:45]

sphery:

i.e. we should fix it so they don't

[23:01:57]

sphery:

yeah

[23:02:00]

Beirdo:

not gonna happen yet

[23:02:04]

Beirdo:

:)

[23:02:14]

Beirdo:

We'll get there

[23:02:18]

sphery:

it's something that could come about with the setup rewrite or something

[23:02:27]

** Beirdo has renumbered several times **

[23:02:28]

sphery:

it's not that important--more just annoying because users complain :)

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** Beirdo doesn't suggest it to anyone. **

[23:02:57]

Beirdo:

right now, my first encoder is #18

[23:02:58]

sphery:

I renumber every time I rescan--but only because I believe in always deleting the old broken garbage, first, then scanning from a known state

[23:02:59]

Beirdo:

heh

[23:03:09]

Beirdo:

I have 18–34

[23:03:12]

sphery:

heh

[23:03:17]

Beirdo:

with several holes

[23:03:25]

sphery:

those are "sparse" capture cards

[23:03:28]

sphery:

it's a *nix feature

[23:03:31]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:03:41]

skd5aner:

sphery: you know all those discussions you and I have had in the past regarding Live TV tuner ordering and stuff? (and how you helped me realize that tuner order and input order can be different)?

[23:03:46]

tgm4883:

The only thing I see useful for renumbering is if you care which tuner gets used first

[23:03:53]

tgm4883:

not exactly something I see alot of

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah

[23:04:09]

Beirdo:

18–21 is HDHR, 25–28 is HVR2250-digital, 32 is HDPVR, 33–34 is HVR2250-analog

[23:04:12]

Beirdo:

:)

[23:04:33]

skd5aner:

sphery: well, I've discovered that although those modifications I made in 0.23 were basically perfect there's some minor changes in 0.24 that make it less than ideal again :(

[23:04:38]

sphery:

tgm4883: yeah--though it doesn't require re-starting the numbering, doing so is the easiest way to ensure it's all correct

[23:04:51]

sphery:

skd5aner: heh, nice

[23:05:08]

skd5aner:

sphery: particularly, the fact that mythtv will continue to try and use the existing selected recorder for channel changes instead of the "best" recorder for that source

[23:05:28]

sphery:

skd5aner: wow, that android chart is enlightening

[23:05:33]

Beirdo:

I had my box rudely yank me out of livetv the other day to record soemthing

[23:05:47]

skd5aner:

sphery: yea, it's just about 2 months old I think

[23:05:54]

Beirdo:

wasn't too impressed by that, but meh :)

[23:06:12]

sphery:

skd5aner: you mean in livetv when you're using a capture card and change channels, it sticks with the same card? If so, it should have always done that.

[23:06:18]

sphery:

or are you saying it isn't doing that?

[23:06:36]

skd5aner:

sphery: My analog tuners tune only 2–99, my digital tuners tune 1100's, and my HD-PVR tunes everything...

[23:06:40]

sphery:

Beirdo: gotta enable avoid conflicts...

[23:06:46]

Beirdo:

heh

[23:06:55]

Beirdo:

that should be not a setting

[23:06:58]

sphery:

of course, that won't always work

[23:07:02]

sphery:

yeah, I agree

[23:07:14]

skd5aner:

so, if I startup live tv, and it starts on channel 2 – then my SD analog tuner will pick it up... but if I tune to say 500, my HD-PVR will tune (which is expected)...

[23:07:25]

skd5aner:

sphery: but when I tune back to 2, it STAYS on the HD-PVR

[23:07:33]

skd5aner:

it used to not do that

[23:07:36]

sphery:

it just allows use of local capture cards at priority if you disable it... and, really, is network usage that bad, today?

[23:08:02]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, it should hav always done that... you only change tuners in livetv when you need to

[23:08:15]

sphery:

so sounds like there may have been a bug in 0.23 that you were enjoying :)

[23:08:24]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:08:25]

skd5aner:

Beirdo, sphery: I agree, on your comment above, that it shouldn't be a setting to avoid... it should always avoid :)

[23:08:32]

Beirdo:

and we regressed by fixing it?

[23:08:40]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, even I have it set to avoid

[23:08:48]

sphery:

even though I don't use livetv

[23:09:20]

sphery:

and for some crazy reason (pretty sure I know that reason's initials), it's false by default

[23:09:40]

skd5aner:

sphery: potentially, but it REALLY wreaks havoc for a few reasons 1) I only have a single HD-PVR, so any conflicts are going to be a problem 2) It tunes significately slower than my digital and anlog tuners, so it's much more painful

[23:09:54]

sphery:

if I'm correct, we wouldn't hear from him if we change it... since he's no longer around.

[23:09:59]

Beirdo:

the HD-PVR doesn't tune

[23:10:06]

skd5aner:

I KNOW!!! :P

[23:10:13]

Beirdo:

OK :)

[23:10:15]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, I understand why you don't like it

[23:10:30]

sphery:

just mentioning that it's now working the way it was supposed to have always worked :)

[23:11:07]

** CyberKnet muses idely about old irc regulars that are now +b **

[23:11:10]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: I know it doesn't tune, but it takes a while to both initiate the channel change via firewire, lock into the channel, and stabilize the capture – was way easier to just say "tune"

[23:11:21]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:11:45]

Beirdo:

OK, I just wanted to clarify because some people will come along and say "see, his tunes slowly too"

[23:12:03]

skd5aner:

sphery: well, can I submit a "bug" then to break it all over – because it was great before

[23:12:06]

Beirdo:

yeah, my sat receiver is fairly slow at tuning too, etc

[23:12:32]

skd5aner:

sphery: all I know is it never used to do it, so it must have always been broken for 6+ releases...

[23:12:38]

sphery:

Beirdo: someone on -users list complained that the workaround he had been using for #6974 isn't working in 0.24, so it's a "step backwards of sorts"

[23:13:25]

skd5aner:

I hate to be the one who says "hey, you guys changed this and now I don't like it, change it back" – because I know a lot of people say that for little to no good reason, but I feel like I'm saying it in this case, sorry :/

[23:13:59]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:14:03]

skd5aner:

but, it is something I can live with, just makes Live TV even less useful than before, even though there were so many good changes that made live tv even better in 0.24 than in 0.23

[23:14:12]

Beirdo:

"you broke my privat patch! you bastards!"

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Beirdo:

livetv is bleh

[23:14:41]

Beirdo:

:)

[23:14:44]

CyberKnet:

if (CAN_PATCH && PATCH_BROKEN) rePatch();

[23:14:44]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, we're fixing all the bugs in Live TV that allow people to work around the things about Live TV they don't like

[23:14:45]

skd5aner:

well, it wasn't a private patch... it was... just the behavior of vanillia mythtv

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sphery:

skd5aner: it's just our way of helping them figure out how to use MythTV properly :)

[23:15:01]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: not you, the dude on tne ML :)

[23:15:04]

sphery:

(that's a joke--we're not)

[23:15:24]

skd5aner:

oh, heh, my bad (not a ML reader)

[23:15:30]

Beirdo:

good choice

[23:15:34]

sphery:

vanillia mythtv... that's the artificial one, right? not all-natural extract?

[23:15:44]

skd5aner:

anyway – dinner's getting cold, thanks for at least hearing me out and understanding my scenario (and understanding my explaination of it

[23:16:00]

Beirdo:

the -lusers ML is a great way to waste time and get aggravated at people who just flat out refuse to read.

[23:16:13]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: what?

[23:16:26]

Beirdo:

there's some useful stuff on it at times

[23:16:26]

skd5aner:

Well, I wanted to the Pumpkin Spice MythTV version, but I just keep waiting

[23:16:33]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, it was actually a hit PLAY when the prompt comes up to ignore the prompt workaround, but PLAY doesn't work in that dialog

[23:16:49]

sphery:

pretty sure, however, that BACK (Esc) would do what he wants

[23:17:19]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: oh yea, I definitely reference it often enough, and I am subscribed, I just rarely if ever use that account and generally just use gossamer-threads if I need to find something

[23:17:22]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, I see whay you'd want it the other way... I'm just surprised if ever did it the other way

[23:17:48]

** CyberKnet subscribes to -users, -dev and -commits just to have google index it if he ever needs it **

[23:17:52]

skd5aner:

sphery: Well, maybe as part of the work in 0.25 and beyond, it'll change yet again :)

[23:17:57]

CyberKnet:

and then usually uses google if he ever needs it instead.

[23:18:01]

Beirdo:

sphery: got salty dutch licorice on the way :)

[23:18:07]

sphery:

heh, yeah, and maybe even intentionally

[23:18:19]

sphery:

Beirdo: what this time--octo-salted?

[23:18:21]

skd5aner:

one can only hope ;) good night

[23:18:28]

Beirdo:

just double

[23:18:33]

Beirdo:

but I ordered em

[23:18:49]

sphery:

woah, wasn't the last order triple or quad?

[23:19:02]

Beirdo:

I never did order them, but they were doubles

[23:19:06]

Beirdo:

that's what I ordered :)

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sphery:

I still have to catch up in #mythtv so I can read Beirdo's helping j-rod (with the preview issue)

[23:19:38]

sphery:

gotta get my update on his progress :)

[23:19:44]

Beirdo:

ooooh, pumpkin pie!

[23:19:51]

** Beirdo is on amazonfresh :) **

[23:19:56]

sphery:

heh

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[23:20:06]

Beirdo:

Sara Lee Oven Fresh Pumpkin Pie

[23:20:19]

Beirdo:

that should do, rather than making my own

[23:20:20]

sphery:

I just got another double can of pumpkin, so I can make 2 more pumpkin pies (with vodka crust)

[23:20:38]

sphery:

I love this time of year for the pumpkin pie

[23:20:44]

Beirdo:

yum!

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Beirdo:

trying to recall how much freezer space I have

[23:21:14]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: About 1.5TB

[23:21:25]

Beirdo:

oO

[23:21:27]

Beirdo:

heh

[23:21:36]

sphery:

Beirdo: heh, I'm sure if it's not enough, kor moc and xr is could help find a place to put the pumpkin pie

[23:21:41]

CyberKnet:

you can afford a "bit" more stuff.

[23:21:44]

Beirdo:

I don't think I have the space for 6 pies

[23:21:48]

JEDIDIAH__:

Sara Lee should be banned.

[23:22:00]

Beirdo:

all-caps nicks should be banned

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CyberKnet:

it's been proven before that all lower case nicks can be banned.

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CyberKnet:

I think it's not a stretch to say all cap nicks.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

don't you DARE forget my gummy bears this time!

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sphery:

I hope they don't ban all-lower-case nicks... I really can't afford to buy a capital letter for mine.

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sphery:

Beirdo: how fast is fresh delivered? tomorrow?

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kormoc:

Same

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Beirdo:

can be same day if they have slots avail

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sphery:

nice

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kormoc:

Mmmm... Pie....

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Beirdo:

I'm getting 7–8pm tomorrow

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sphery:

too bad they're not in my area

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kormoc:

amazon++

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sphery:

might have to invent instantaneous travel so I can get amazon to start delivering fresh to me

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Beirdo:

I agree. Amazon++

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Beirdo:

sphery: just move to Seattle :)

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sphery:

heh, this is the time of year when I love being in FL

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sphery:

and watching everyone else freeze :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

have a hurricane

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JEDIDIAH__:

no one else that delivers fresh uses instantaneous travel.

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JEDIDIAH__:

what's the recipe for the vodka crust?

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Beirdo:

smash a bottle of vodka.

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Beirdo:

crush it fine...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

heh

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JEDIDIAH__:

do you put it in the dinosaur spritzer bottle?

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JEDIDIAH__:

(instead of water)

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Beirdo:

I *must* buy hwhipped cream

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sphery:

no, it's basically making a pie crust like normal, but reducing the liquid a little and using about twice as much vodka as the liquid reduction

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sphery:

so it's a very wet dough--easy to roll and work--but because it's alcohol, it evaporates in the oven leaving a nice flaky crust

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JEDIDIAH__:

I figured there was a gastr-chem point to it.

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kormoc:

higher proof, better end result

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Beirdo:

and then chug the rest of the bottle

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK, what was wrong with my last chili.... too much tomato

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: here's the original recipe: http://www.cooksillustrated.com/recipes/login.asp?docid=11572

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sphery:

seems to require subscription, though

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sphery:

it's also on their tv show (on pbs)

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sphery:

I have it recorded :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

the concept sounds straightforward enough.

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I'm still experimenting with perfect proportions using other fats rather than all butter

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Beirdo:

boo.

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Beirdo:

butter!

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Beirdo:

:)

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kormoc:

Meat fats work with some pies

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Beirdo:

mmm, tortiere

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Beirdo:

oooh, amazon fresh, you suck

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Beirdo:

why no French Canadian meat pies!?

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sphery:

yeah, I haven't tried lard--just because of the health concerns :)

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kormoc:

the first two words are why

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JEDIDIAH__:

lard is alton brown's thing.

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kormoc:

sphery, tisk!

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JEDIDIAH__:

pie crust wise

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Beirdo:

mmm, pork fat :)

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sphery:

butter gets a bit expensive when it's 1 1/2 sticks per 1-crust dough (i.e. 3 sticks = 3/4 pound per 2-crust pie)

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JEDIDIAH__:

no transfat...

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kormoc:

sphery, now you'll tell me your potato chips aren't done in lard too

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sphery:

heh, never like potato chips

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sphery:

I hate the taste of salt

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kormoc:

perhaps it's cause you haven't had the right ones!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** kormoc eyes sphery **

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kormoc:

that's just unhuman!

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sphery:

heh, it's an acquired taste

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sphery:

none of you were born liking it

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

you could argue that for every taste

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sphery:

yeah, probably true

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sphery:

just something I heard soemwhere about salt, so I grabbed on to it as a reason to explain why I'm not weird

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Beirdo:

I love my very salty dutch licorice :)

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Beirdo:

I'm sure I'm missing something in this order

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Beirdo:

more chili makins... pumpkin pies :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

heh, I can

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kormoc:

Beirdo, steak, scallops, tunafish, cherry vanilla soda.....

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sphery:

handle licorice, but never tried salted

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Beirdo:

tunafish... hmmm.

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kormoc:

make tuna salad and grill it, toss on buttered toast with perhaps some melted cheese. yummy

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Beirdo:

that would be better to get at the market I think

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Beirdo:

ahh, canned? yeah, my cupboards can handle some.

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kormoc:

I use canned tuna

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sphery:

kormoc: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/249/22/2999.pdf --see, 1983 says so

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kormoc:

it's a east coast thing I think to grill the tuna salad itself before tossing on the toast

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Beirdo:

I've never done that

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iamlindoro:

plus, tuna cans opened at both ends are great biscuit and cookie cutters

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kormoc:

sphery, "The article you have attempted to access is part of the JAMA Backfiles collection"

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Beirdo:

it does sound tantalizingly yummy

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sphery:

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kormoc:

ahh, fair 'nuff

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sphery:

pretty sure that's about when I heard it, too :)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, it adds a extra level of texture I really like

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Beirdo:

so just outta the can into the pan, "brown" it?

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Beirdo:

I need to find a recipe :)

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sphery:

kormoc: quite possible that newer studies contradict it

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I mix in mayo and some spices like garlic, same as if you're making just a standard sandwich, just grill both sides before tossing on the bread

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Beirdo:

interesting.

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kormoc:

you don't really brown it, it doesn't really change color, just warms up and gets a little crisp

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Beirdo:

right

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kormoc:

sorta like a grinder without the pizza oven

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kormoc:

Mmm... Tuna grinder...

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I like how you think :)

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Beirdo:

I should be good for this order, I think

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Beirdo:

I should take the hunk of salmon outta the freezer sometime too

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Beirdo:

(from a local fisherman at the market)

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Beirdo:

the Capitol Hill market to be precise

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Shadow__X:

this may be off topic but, has anyone been able to create a bootable usb thumbdrive under os x? i am trying to install linux from a thumbdrive and have not been able to create the drive under mac

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Beirdo:

just a mile or two off-topic ;)

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: well related to installing linux then installing mythtv

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Beirdo:

don't have a mac... couldn't say

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