Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, November 17th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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skd5aner:

hmmm, well – it didn't work in firefox

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skd5aner:

that at least lets me know it's probably a machine-wide issue and not just mythbrowser as well – off to try and figure this one out

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skd5aner:

What version of the flash plugin are you guys using?

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iamlindoro:

10.1

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Methuselah:

blah, i really hosed something up. My videos show like 5 names of the same movie. If you delete one it deletes the movie but you have 4 names . Is this a case of restore database?

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Methuselah:

it does this with every movie in the library. I wish i didn't mess with the storage groups.

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iamlindoro:

storage groups have nothing to do with dupes, it takes a seriously hosed setup for those to occur

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iamlindoro:

And better get used to storage groups, they're going to be your only option in the near future

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iamlindoro:

If you have hosed your DB, just truncate the videometadata table and rescane

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Methuselah:

you got some sort of nice link for that because i am a db noob.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice... it's about time--definitely glad I didn't wait the whole year it took them to start

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wagnerrp:

in unrelated news, the USB port has been banned among evangelical christians in Brazil, after someone noticed the symbol looks like a trident, the devil's weapon

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jh15:

hehe

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jh15:

how about Neptune?

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wagnerrp:

how dare you speak of pagan gods

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: I fixed it... I simply upgraded the flash player library, apparently the version I had was the issue

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jh15:

the farmer and his wife?

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skd5aner:

so, hulu plays fine for me now in mnv, mythbrowser, and firefox

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skd5aner:

thanks

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skd5aner:

... for helping weed out the obvious stuff first

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skd5aner:

sphery: you around?

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah

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skd5aner:

sphery: hey, I believe you wrote the code to dynamically create the video preview image, correct?

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sphery:

skd5aner: your flash issue, was it that you were using a too-old version of Flash and Hulu was protecting you from yourself (i.e the older ones having know security flaws)?

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skd5aner:

(eliminating the static setting of when to capture the image)

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah

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sphery:

if you're about to say, "I get a ton of black frames"

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sphery:

it's because of a seek table issues

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sphery:

Beirdo is working the fix

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skd5aner:

sphery: re: flash – if so, they didn't make it obvious and unfortunately I didn't check which version it was that I had installed, but it's likely it wasn't even v10

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sphery:

yeah, Hulu forbids access to anyone using < 10.0.0.32

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skd5aner:

sphery: lol, that IS what I was going to say – about 60–70% are black frames – heh

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sphery:

yeah, you're actually getting the B frame that follows the key frame

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sphery:

so you're basically seeing only what changed between the key frame (whole picture) and that frame

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skd5aner:

sphery: I assumed it was picking frames during the transition between commercials and the show or something

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

the selection works great

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sphery:

the problem is the seek table

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sphery:

if you want proof, use mythxml to grab previews at SecsIn=-1 (default/computed offset), 30, 60, 600 seconds

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sphery:

they're all bad

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skd5aner:

gotcha – ok, well – I had heard that Beirdo was working on seek table fixes, but wasn't aware the black preview images were related (and a common, known problem) – hence why I brought it up

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Beirdo:

aye, they are one and the same issue :)

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iamlindoro:

can we PLEASE ban Craig Sanders from the list now?

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Beirdo:

be my guest :)

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iamlindoro:

Were it that I had list admin rights ;)

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Beirdo:

aye. Poke xris, I'm sure it can get done.

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sphery:

skd5aner: oh, and btw, it was Beirdo that figured out what's happening there--I kept telling him it wasn't the frame selection, and he finally believed me when I thought to test/have him test with MythXML

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Beirdo:

although the arrow button thing MAY be a real ossue :)

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sphery:

then he dug in and hours later had it figured out

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sphery:

arrow buttong thing?

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Beirdo:

Craig's latest jewel on -users ML

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sphery:

oh, that's from having the player using the event thread... /me bets

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sphery:

i.e. pretty sure markk has a plan for some things to help, but they will take a while

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iamlindoro:

But, but, but... "This is a serious regression!"

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sphery:

and may not completly fix it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I can see that being seen as an issue though

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iamlindoro:

ie, a behavior that makes a piece of software ABSOLUTELY UNUSABLE!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /302387.html ?

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iamlindoro:

oh, sorry, even worse, it's "huge"

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Beirdo:

a regression, perhaps slightly, but not that important of one

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iamlindoro:

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Beirdo:

kormoc: aye

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, See the other thread for his stream of abuse

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sphery:

skd5aner: I stand corrected--10.0.32 (they only have major/minor/point--I forgot their version numbering scheme)

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iamlindoro:

starting with me, moving on to sphery, and ending on Beirdo

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iamlindoro:

or as it will always be known to me, "The FOAD thread"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

iamlindoro: can he help it if his palette craves a little hand now and then?

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sphery:

not his fault it happens to be the hand that feeds

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** iamlindoro always thought it was "palate" in that context **

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sphery:

heh, probably is

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it, i legitimately /want/ to advise this guy on the proper way to do what he wants to do... why wont he just tell me what that is

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sphery:

which guy?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mythconverg-14010/#post54983

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iamlindoro:

Also, is it just me or is the "special letter from Jimmy Wales" on wikipedia larger every day?

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skd5aner:

yes... I believe it is

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sphery:

heh, seems it's almost reached netbook display height

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kormoc:

I uhh... adblocked it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh, he just told the forum admin to stick it, he's gone

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wagnerrp:

looks smaller to me, honest

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skd5aner:

they got $9m last year, apparently this year, they need $18 million from the news article I read

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wagnerrp:

ly

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wagnerrp:

this one looks like maybe 150px tall

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wagnerrp:

last one i saw was almost twice that

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: its almost like that guy feels he needs to 'save face' after calling me an inexperienced kid

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: how dare he make accustations about your age!

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skd5aner:

;)

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wagnerrp:

well hes right, he probably is older than my father

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wagnerrp:

but what relevance does that have to do with anything?

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wagnerrp:

clearly he doesnt know his way around the database, or else he wouldnt be asking such questions

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wagnerrp:

someone with that much programming experience should know better than to jump into a project and assume he knows how to fiddle with the data structures

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Beirdo:

hehe

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knightr:

wagnerrp, he was probably using flat file and vsam files back then, no real database...

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knightr:

s/file/files

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** Beirdo tosses another log on the FOAD fire **

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wagnerrp:

ah, this is the same guy who says he updated the myth.find_orphans.pl to properly handle the database

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wagnerrp:

... is that before or after i wrote the python replacement?

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wagnerrp:

over two weeks after

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sphery:

heh, people would much rather get rude than get help, it seems

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wagnerrp:

heres another one... asking what tables to clear out after he manually deletes a recording

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wagnerrp:

i tell him to connect over mythproto and have the backend delete it, giving a perfectly valid link

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wagnerrp:

and somehow he manages to find an old deleted redirect to the page i gave him

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Re: MKV and subtitle support, there is technically one subtitle format outstanding

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wagnerrp:

along with a sarcastic reply about me giving him garbage documentation

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iamlindoro:

ASS/SSA-- mplayer gets it from a super hacked/messed up external lib, ffmpeg will have it by our next sync and we should "just inherit" it after that

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iamlindoro:

Since the guy refers to anime and that's where most of those subtitles come from (illegal fansubs) that's likely what he's referring to

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wagnerrp:

ah, we currently only support SRTs and SUBs in mkvs?

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iamlindoro:

But once we inherit that in the next ffmpeg sync, there are literally no subtitle formats that I'm aware of that we will not support (and in fact, we will support many more than mplayer/vlc)

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wagnerrp:

(and the EIA-[67]08 stuff)

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iamlindoro:

bitmap and raw text in all formats are supported, ssa (which is a "styled"/markup style text) is not

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iamlindoro:

SSA/ASS is sort of like HTML-ish

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iamlindoro:

can add font/color/etc. sort of styling

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iamlindoro:

and placement coords

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iamlindoro:

It's a step below PGS subtitles and a step above raw text (but a sort of useless one)

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wagnerrp:

PGS are used in bluray? never head of that one

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's basically a bitmapped subtitle on steroids

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, BD

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sphery:

[mythtv-users] arclight waits, "Loading", for too long

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sphery:

someone really ought to fix that theme

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sphery:

it sure causes a /lot/ of problems

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sphery:

wagnerrp: perhaps the old deleted redirect because of teh mw cache?

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wagnerrp:

no, i gave him the direct link to the current page

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wagnerrp:

theres no way he could have unintentionally gone to the old redirect page

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sphery:

hmmm... yeah, I was thinking another case of logged in/not logged in cache differences

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sphery:

but with a direct link...

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Psycholiquid71:

anyone here familiar with US cable setups?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Psycholiquid71:

I am having a problem with the scan not seeing any channels and I know it is something I am not setting up correctly, if I give you info on what to look at can you help me out

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wagnerrp:

you are trying to scan digital channels?

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wagnerrp:

analog tuners should not be found

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wagnerrp:

analog capture cannot be scanned

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Psycholiquid71:

Well I have an analog card and form windows it jsut worked I assumed it owuld be the same for this

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wagnerrp:

for analog lineups in the US, you should be pulling a channel list from your schedules direct account

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Psycholiquid71:

Well that would be cool but not really sure what that is?

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wagnerrp:

schedulesdirect.com

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is pretty useless without guide data

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct licenses guide data from Tribune, and provides it for non-commercial use for a nominal fee

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Psycholiquid71:

so without that I cant just watch TVwith it, I dont really need a schedule or do I for the software to work

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is a DVR

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wagnerrp:

it is designed to be used for recording content

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Psycholiquid71:

ahhh so I should be looking into something else to just watch TV with?

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wagnerrp:

if you just want to watch tv, there are much easier solutions

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wagnerrp:

for analog framegrabbers, use tvtime

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Psycholiquid71:

Cool well that shelps alot thank you for your info I will come back to this program later

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Psycholiquid71:

appreciate your time

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stratagem_bot:

Anyone using the Mythtv Builds for Windows?

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wagnerrp:

bah... cliffhangers on NCIS

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see Eloy's messages--the HDHR issue only happened when he manually specified IP address. Does BSD not do the autodetect/did you choose to manually specify IP address on BSD?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it wasn't obvious from the subtitle?

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sphery:

All enemies foreign and domestic...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: BSD does not do the autodetection when you run it in a jail on an aliased IP address with an improper subnet mask

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sphery:

(maybe that phrase isn't as common as I'd have though)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so maybe that's the reason SiDust couldn't repro

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wagnerrp:

the broadcast address is wrong, so i have to provide the IP address of the HDHR

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sphery:

or maybe it's a bug in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i can change my SBE to use an IP address rather than auto-detection and see what happens

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sphery:

thansk for the testing

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: is windows support limited to NT-based?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: did you watch sgu yet?

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wagnerrp:

nope, just about to start it

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wagnerrp:

right now, im trying to figure out how to open up communication pipes between separate windows processes

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[R]:

with a wrench?

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wagnerrp:

no, only the italians can do it that wau

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

*way

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you'll need to pull at some point (or I can merge the windowz stuff when you're ready)

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Beirdo:

I changed the interaction of the threads a bit as it went a bit crashy on me :)

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wagnerrp:

i havent started editing yet... still just learning

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Beirdo:

still seeing some occasional fast exits that I still don't understand, BTW

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wagnerrp:

yeah, makes more sense to do it that way

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wagnerrp:

no sense trying to limit the number of classes any longer

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wagnerrp:

two lines left... :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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antihc3:

I just noticed that mythbuntu does not have an option to not install bootloader in the manully configure

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[R]:

this isn't #mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

does that mean youre trying to dual boot with windows?

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antihc3:

no i already have a boot loader tho, I will jump over to mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

if youre not multi-booting, whats the difference?

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antihc3:

wagnerrp, I am still on a mission to install and boot my appletv :D

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wagnerrp:

ah, that...

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antihc3:

even if it does not work i am having fun doing it :D

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wagnerrp:

well i guess thats all a library is for

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wagnerrp:

erm...

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wagnerrp:

s/library/hobby/

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wagnerrp:

my mind is elsewhere

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antihc3:

I know how it is.

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wagnerrp:

ooh.. jackpot, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682499(VS.85).aspx

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Beirdo:

hehe, they just couldn't use standard POSIX methodologies

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wagnerrp:

[R]: that is the most awesome way to kill someone ive ever seen

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[R]:

which part are you talking about?

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wagnerrp:

well, incapacitate anyway

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plsander:

Hi, having an issue with my capture card (PVR-350) and mythbuntu 10.10 (mythtv 23.1) – testing using cat /dev/video0 works, and the card worked under 9.10 and mythtv 22.? but live tv and scheduled capture just show a black screen with "please wait" then I get kicked back to the menu.

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[R]:

what do the logs say

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wagnerrp:

plsander: youre not trying to use an old playback profile that uses the hardware accelerated PVR-350 output, are you?

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plsander:

no – using normal X display

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wagnerrp:

using a normal video card?

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plsander:

yes

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plsander:

normal (on the MB) video for output — only using PVR-350 for input

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wagnerrp:

and the scheduled recordings, produce a real file? not a zero-byte or no file?

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plsander:

They get the same black screen with "please wait" that lasts about 10 seconds.

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wagnerrp:

but does a file exist?

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wagnerrp:

can you open up the recording path and see a recording?

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plsander:

oh — have not looked at that .

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wagnerrp:

if so, can you play them with mplayer/vlc/kaffeine/totem/etc..

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plsander:

no new files in the storage pool

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wagnerrp:

then the problem is in recording, check your backend logs for errors

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plsander:

I see this in the backend log "ProgramInfo(1131_20101116215738.mpg), Error: Unknown type, recording width was 0

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plsander:

"

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wagnerrp:

thats because its trying to read a non-existent file

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wagnerrp:

pastebin the log starting from several seconds before your attempted livetv session

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wagnerrp:

no, pastebin

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wagnerrp:

http://www.pastebin.com

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plsander:

http://pastebin.com/HiRgCHMi I always forget that tool...

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plsander:

I did find some short (600 byte) .nuv files (I configured the storage pool with the wrong location)

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be producing nuv files, and mythtv does know its an mpeg encoder so its not trying to produce them with your current setup

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i'm reading the python.org documentation... am i missing something or does it not talk about variables and scope?

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plsander:

there is a zero length .mpg from today

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wagnerrp:

plsander: yeah, seems it /is/ creating the recording, but not getting any data out of the encoder

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wagnerrp:

since youre using analog capture with an external tuner

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wagnerrp:

there should always be data available from the encoder

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wagnerrp:

permissions issue, perhaps?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: what do you need to know, scope should behave as you would expect with any other language

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plsander:

I tried running cat /dev/video0 as mythtv and that worked . mplayer could play that file.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: how do i declare a variable"

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[R]:

just do blah = 0

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[R]:

?

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wagnerrp:

although variables declared inside a loop/if will be available outside of it

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wagnerrp:

yes, dynamic typing

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wagnerrp:

no need to set a type

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wagnerrp:

just var = val

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[R]:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

but scope within classes and functions behaves as expected

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wagnerrp:

and there are globals

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[R]:

do i need to do anything special for that?

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Beirdo:

stupid scoping... bit my butt last night :)

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wagnerrp:

if you declare it at the top of the file, globals can be used like normal variables

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[R]:

Beirdo: that's what she said?

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wagnerrp:

if not, you have to 'global variable' at the beginning of the function

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[R]:

hrm... i t hink i get it

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wagnerrp:

and classes all use 'this.member' to access member variables and methods

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wagnerrp:

also note that there are class variables and object variables

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wagnerrp:

class variables are anything initiated to anything other than None in the class definition

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[R]:

yeah, i don't think i'm gonna need classes in this thing

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wagnerrp:

and are global to all instances of a class

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wagnerrp:

object variables are defined in the methods of the class, and only exist in that specific instance of the class

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[R]:

cox keeps spamming me with "make sure you check your settings" cuz they are switching to Passport from SARA

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wagnerrp:

i keep getting spammed with 'make sure to switch to a cable box or mini box' cuz they are switching to full digital

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wagnerrp:

usually just an annoying ticker at the top of the screen

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[R]:

oh blah... i'm just getting emails

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wagnerrp:

occasionally they blank a whole channel for 10 minutes at a time

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wagnerrp:

hasnt hit me on a recording yet

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plsander:

That makes me very happy I get my service from a small rural independent cable/phone company

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[R]:

so i finsihed that "Detect qam changes" script... its awesome, although the next time i use it i need ot modify it... i want to make it dynamically fix the channels

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[R]:

automatically*

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[R]:

oh snap... python has a function to automatically center a string in a specified length

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[R]:

and i was gonna do the math myself...

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive written pretty-print classes before to do the math manually

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wagnerrp:

only to be angry when finding those methods later

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[R]:

so i've had superman 1–4 recorded for a few weeks... still haven't watched em

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wagnerrp:

theyre littered all over mythremctl

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wagnerrp:

never seen them? or never watched those specific recordings?

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[R]:

both

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wagnerrp:

really....

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wagnerrp:

well you can probably just delete 4

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[R]:

well its not even in HD

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wagnerrp:

i remember it being pretty bad

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, theyre all pretty cheesy

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

but still better than the current versions

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wagnerrp:

you know? screw it, delete the movies and watch the cartoons

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[R]:

ROFL

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wagnerrp:

the 90s cartoons were so much better

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[R]:

i need to count the number of spaces at the beginning of a string

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[R]:

but not the end

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wagnerrp:

why?

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[R]:

well i dont know if its "better" to write the string at a specified location vs writing a string of the whole width with spaces

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[R]:

this is for my lcd thing

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wagnerrp:

str.strip()

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

i see what youre saying

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wagnerrp:

probably better to write the whole line so you blank out the other characters

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wagnerrp:

unless you intend to not blank them

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[R]:

i would want to blank em actually

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[R]:

i really need a good vim config on this computer

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wagnerrp:

whats happened...

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wagnerrp:

WB had some great cartoons in the 90s

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wagnerrp:

now theyre all crap

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[R]:

wb?

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[R]:

oh you mean the company not the channel?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

all the superhero cartoons, animaniacs, tiny toons, pinky and the brain, ...

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[R]:

tiny toons was funny

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[R]:

do you remember that one where the rich kid was yelling acne, but they thought he was sayin acme, and they couldn't figure out what acme meant, and all their toys were from acme

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

it has been like 18 years

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[R]:

i have good recall

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[R]:

ok so i have "WIDTH = 0" at the top

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[R]:

and then in def main(): i have WIDTH = function()

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[R]:

and than in another function i try to use WIDTH and it returns 0

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wagnerrp:

did you run main()

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

main calls the otehr function

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[R]:

like i print WIDTH before the call, and inside the call i print it and its right before and 0 inside

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[R]:

global globvar # Needed to modify global copy of globvar

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[R]:

hrm...

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plsander:

wagnerrp – it works now... I think it was permissions on the storage pool directories.

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wagnerrp:

if you instantiate it externally, it should not need to be specified as a global

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[R]:

it works with global, not w/o

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wagnerrp:

did you create the variable before you defined the functions?

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[R]:

yes

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wagnerrp:

oh... right

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wagnerrp:

it probably only works for mutable types

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[R]:

ah... well its all good, works with global

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wagnerrp:

when using an integer, you never change the integer, just replace the instance with another

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wagnerrp:

so you only change it within your scope

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[R]:

seems confusing

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[R]:

this is why i never learned python... haha

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wagnerrp:

where if you modify a list, you modify the global copy

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[R]:

wow... "commerical flagging" is only 19 chars

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[R]:

i woulda thought it'd be more

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wagnerrp:

speaking of superman... where did he get those amazing clothes

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wagnerrp:

i mean sure, he was invincible, but the clothes?

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JEDIDIAH__:

Kal takes the heat but he's standing there stark naked...

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JEDIDIAH__:

The Incredibles Kind of addressed this.

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** Beirdo installs valgrind on the frontend box **

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clever:

wagnerrp: wasnt the suit made from the blanket he came with as a baby?

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wagnerrp:

did he fashion scissors and sewing implements from spare metal in the ship?

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wagnerrp:

besides, he should have known better anyway... no capes!

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clever:

wagnerrp: in the clip i saw, his adoptive parents made it, and they had to use his laser eyes to cut tthe threads

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Beirdo:

now I wait 15min with this running under valgrind

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: this is looking to be almost a complete rewrite for windows

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Beirdo:

UGH

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Beirdo:

maybe we should have mythsystem-unix.cpp and mythsystem-windows.cpp

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Beirdo:

there's at least one other place that does that

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, it would probably be easier to just start from scratch and see what duplicate bits can be merged later

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Beirdo:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mediamonitor

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Beirdo:

as long as the API/MythSystem class looks the same, nobody needs to know what's under the hood

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wagnerrp:

rather than get caught up in a mess of ifdefs in an already complex set of classes

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Beirdo:

agreed

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Beirdo:

that gets MESSY fast

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wagnerrp:

i mean the concepts are all the same, but the API is completely different

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

you create named HANDLEs instead of pipes

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Beirdo:

as long as our top-level API is consistent... :)

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wagnerrp:

you pass them through a STARTUPINFO rather than duplicating them on top of pre-existing file descriptors

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wagnerrp:

there is no real select interface

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wagnerrp:

surely waitpid operates differently too

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

no select? they MUST have a select of some sorts, that's absurd

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wagnerrp:

select only works for network interfaces

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Beirdo:

retards :)

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wagnerrp:

so if theres mythsystem-unix and mythsystem-windows, how do we control what gets loaded?

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Beirdo:

have to see how it's done for mediamonitor

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Beirdo:

I think it's in the .pro file

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Beirdo:

you should see the mess valgrind finds ... wooo boy

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Beirdo:

got some fixin to do

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wagnerrp:

im sure

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Beirdo:

only definitely lost... 53k

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

not that I care about that, it's memory violations that concern me right now

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Beirdo:

Syscall param chdir(path) points to unaddressable byte(

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Beirdo:

s)

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Beirdo:

like that one

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Beirdo:

Address 0x2b6f6ed8 is 24 bytes inside a block of size

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Beirdo:

256 free'd

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Beirdo:

and that one

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xris:

mythtv has a new psychic plugin.... kormoc just told me about a cool new beer show, Brew Masters... when I went to record it, it was already set up....

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[R]:

haha

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Beirdo:

?

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Beirdo:

nice

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xris:

WAF has been achieved when she sets things up for me.

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

funny, i never released that plugin

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xris:

wagnerrp: we definitely need to get that one integrated. :)

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Beirdo:

Problem would be.. not all MythWife instances are the same

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xris:

yeah. mine is better than the rest. ;)

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wagnerrp:

some site called rolisoft

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Beirdo:

certainly seems that way :)

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wagnerrp:

i wrote some script that would collect a list of all distinct current and upcoming titles

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wagnerrp:

pass it on to some recommendation API

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xris:

we used to have a recommendation engine

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wagnerrp:

get the response, and create recording rules for the top 10 shows

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xris:

I should see what it would take to revive it

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wagnerrp:

but the response we not IMHO very good

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xris:

maybe work with thetvdb to share data

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wagnerrp:

so it never went any further than that

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i think sphery has close to the right idea

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wagnerrp:

record it all now, sort out the good stuff later

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Beirdo:

heh

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** Beirdo cues some Barenaked Ladies **

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wagnerrp:

movies you can recommend, tv shows... theres just not enough new shows on at any given time for it to really work well

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[R]:

seinfeld... "how could you spend $200 on a tip calculator!"

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wagnerrp:

and if youre going off recommendations of the community, youre at the very least going to miss the first couple episodes

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Beirdo:

I can't believe that the City of Toronto made these guys so popular by their stupidity

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Beirdo:

they got banned from playing at some event.. due to their name.

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wagnerrp:

maybe have some kind of thing like... 'user records a lot of X category, we will randomly record some more of X category'

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[R]:

i love the barenake dladies

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Beirdo:

and the press heard about it, and it all took off from there

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wagnerrp:

my english teacher in highschool liked the bare naked ladies

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Beirdo:

they are even FROM Toronto... but no, censor that name :)

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wagnerrp:

he was a tool

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[R]:

its been... one week since you... yada yada yada

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Beirdo:

that's the song playing right now...

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Beirdo:

I like their older stuff better

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wagnerrp:

we called him 'timmy'

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[R]:

the whole movie industry is a scam... its not enoiugh they get your money at the box office... than they releease it with 2 extra minutes on dvd... so you have to pay for it again

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Beirdo:

anyways.. where is my *bleeping* uninitialized data?!

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kormoc:

[R], you don't have to

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[R]:

oh... i don't

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[R]:

and i rarely see movies at the theater

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[R]:

i'm talking about john q public

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kormoc:

free will

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wagnerrp:

can you have a single class definition span more than one file?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i dont think so... i know its a "special feature" of newer C#

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I think you can #include in the middle of a class and have it do the right thing (tm)(r)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: probably, but I wouldn't count on it

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kormoc:

cause that's all preprocessor

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Beirdo:

yeah

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[R]:

including .c files is pure evil

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Beirdo:

whatever

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wagnerrp:

im just looking at these constructors which will be mostly identical in both the windows and unix versions

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kormoc:

at least it's not DEATH FROM ABOVE

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Beirdo:

there's no difference to the system whether it's .h, .c, .cpp, etc

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Beirdo:

it's all C or C++ source

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[R]:

omg

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[R]:

its that chick from SNL

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[R]:

the one from the cheerleadering thing

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Beirdo:

heck, you can #include "/etc/passwd" if you are lame enough

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, thinking you'll have myth_system.c #include myth_system_unix|windows.cpp?

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kormoc:

too bad /etc/passwd is pretty meaningless thses days

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kormoc:

[R], where?

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kormoc:

I didn't see anyone join the channel

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[R]:

kormoc: glory daze

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kormoc:

ooh

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[R]:

and i think its the guy from everybody loves raymond

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: that would just end up confusing things further

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wagnerrp:

maybe have a 'mythsystem-base.cpp'

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wagnerrp:

and have the windows and unix versions subclass it

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wagnerrp:

i could change the access call to a QFile to make it cross platform

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that sounds like the best plan

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Beirdo:

yay, more rework

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Beirdo:

it does sound like a plan though

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wagnerrp:

less rework, more just moving chunks of code from one file to another

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

if i make a QMap/QList with type _MythSystem

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wagnerrp:

and MythSystem is a subclass of _MythSystem

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wagnerrp:

can i shove a MythSystem into that list/map?

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Beirdo:

I think so

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Beirdo:

you may need to predeclare it

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Beirdo:

but we'll make it work

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK, let's try this...

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Beirdo:

valgrind time again

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Beirdo:

I got rid of the cached fileInfo that we use to pull path and program name over and over

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Beirdo:

just save the path and program name, turf the rest. Thanks

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wagnerrp:

fileInfo?

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Beirdo:

yeah, inside mythweather

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Twiggy|worx:

Does anybody else have an issue with EIT program info not matching the program? The names are all correct but it gets messed up in its program info area, it will say another shows plot. The tv doesnt do this so I was wondering if I was doing it wrong or something

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mothy:

hi

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mothy:

anyone awake yet?

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iamlindoro:

You are speaking in a worldwide medium. Lots of people are awake.

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mothy:

I'm trying to use mythtv to stream 1 ATSC channel to another location in low quality, like only youtube quality needed. Is myth overkill for this?

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sgsax:

if anybody is interested in my hacked status script, I've posted my initial version here http://people.cis.ksu.edu/~sgsax/files/mythstatus.pl

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sgsax:

the comments at the top explain it all

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sgsax:

I'd welcome comments and suggestions, other than "you don't know anything about perl", which is probably a given

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Twiggy|worx:

is there a way to align the eit to the broadcast?

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mothy:

whats EIT?

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Twiggy|worx:

Ota broadcasted schedule info

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mothy:

don't even need that

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Twiggy|worx:

I was asking for me

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mothy:

lol

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Twiggy|worx:

mothy, mythweb has a flash plugin but last I knew it was experiemental and wasnt very good. BUT it woudl do what you want I think. Its only for recordings though, I think..

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mothy:

yea i'm only trying to stream 1 channel, doesn't need to be recorded to hard drive

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mothy:

i'm kinda scratching my head on transcoding

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Twiggy|worx:

I think it would take a really really fast computer with a lot of resources to transcode to that small on the fly

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Azelphur:

what about HTML5 instead of flash?

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tmkt:

any tricks to getting mythtv 0.24 and blueray going?

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iamlindoro:

Step one is spelling Blu-ray right

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iamlindoro:

step two is reading the wiki page on Blu-ray

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iamlindoro:

*CAREFULLY*

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iamlindoro:

and not skimming like most people when I tell them to do that

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tmkt:

sorry

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tmkt:

yeah.. looking for the wiki page right now

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tmkt:

easier to find the wiki when spelling the term correctly

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iamlindoro:

Indeed ;)

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Twiggy|worx:

How often should I optimize my database? I only make a 4–5 recordings a week for reference

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tmkt:

so http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/High_Definition_Disk_Formats is that the correct one?

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iamlindoro:

Though most people start asking questions/arguing before reading it thoroughly, all the instructions for both direct-from-the-disk playback and decryption are there. For playback from mythvideo, simply rip the disc and move the BDMV folder into a folder named after the movie, ie /movies/Lethal Weapon/BDMV, and rescan

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tmkt:

ok..so direct from the disk playback is there....the first paragraph says its impossible

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iamlindoro:

No, you aren't reading the first paragraph closely

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iamlindoro:

nor are you reading the page title

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iamlindoro:

Look at what it says is impossible, then think about what you are trying to play

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tmkt:

ok

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tmkt:

will read the whole thing

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tmkt:

just installed 0.24 last night..woke up this mornig and put UP in and gave er a go

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tmkt:

will read..and give it a try again tonight

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tmkt:

Btw...any way to configure WATCH TV to always start on a specific channel?

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iamlindoro:

tmkt, read carefully the limitations of decryption on linux

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tmkt:

just ran into an issue last night when i changed channel to a channel tht didn't work, and myth would error out back to the main menu

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iamlindoro:

Up will not work, it is far too new and almost definitely BD+ protected

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tmkt:

but everytime i went back into WATCH TV it would try to start on that channel

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tmkt:

and just keep going back to the main menu

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tmkt:

my work around was to go set up a recording of a different channel

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tmkt:

then cancel that recording

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tmkt:

then WATCH TV would bring me to the channel i had set to record

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iamlindoro:

decryption in linux only supports AACS, and only up to version 10, ie mid-early-2009

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skd5aner:

tmkt: in mythtv-setup you can adjust the starting channel

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skd5aner:

tmkt: but from there on out, it'll always save the last tuned channel on exit

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tmkt:

skd5aner: yeah.thats the issue

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skd5aner:

tmkt: then go back into mythtv-setup and change it for your input(s)

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: why only to version 10? what happened after that?

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tmkt:

yeah...just a pain, to open up mythtv- everytime i tune into a bad channel

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skd5aner:

tmkt: delete/hide your bad channels :)

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tmkt:

ok..so Disney Earth may work..

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tmkt:

yeah..i've done that now

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tmkt:

i only have 3 blu-ray disks anyhow

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tmkt:

more interested in just seeing the difference

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skd5aner:

tmkt: Disney movies are notorious for being extremely DRM'd on DVDs, I would expect they also try their hardest to over protect their blu-rays too

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tmkt:

at least they include DVD copies with the bluray disks

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skd5aner:

and "digital copy", lol

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tmkt:

handbrake and dvd copy much easier then that digital copy crap

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Twiggy|worx:

what is the quality of the "digital copy"?

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skd5aner:

sh*tty

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skd5aner:

and DRMd

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Twiggy|worx:

like pirated video crappy?

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Twiggy|worx:

its still protected?

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skd5aner:

probably worse than pirate quality

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Twiggy|worx:

gross

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skd5aner:

back in the day pirated content used to be really crappy – I don't think that's generally the case anymore with good quality codecs and the big bandwidth pipes everyone has anymore

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Twiggy|worx:

I guess it would be fine on a 15inch 1997 computer monitor

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tmkt:

Twiggy|worx: plus half the time you need to get it through itunes

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Twiggy|worx:

ohh it only comes through Itunes?

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skd5aner:

Depends on the content provider

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skd5aner:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2 . . . 33611AArfaxh – for example

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sturebror:

I have a real big issue with mythtv http://svanstrom.nu/misc/mythtv.txt any clues?

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Twiggy|worx:

gross...

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Twiggy|worx:

It is a marketing gimic

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: not sure if you noticed, but I solved the hulu problem last night

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: had an old version of flash, apparently – they couldn't just say that, instead they had to present a message that made it extremely unclear that it had anything to do with the flash version :S

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Nobody has publicly released Processing Keys for later versions. They need to be hacked out of an existing player and as soon as someone releases one, A new key can be released to render newer media unable to play with that key

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iamlindoro:

ie MKBv10 Processing Keys will play all discs released before they invalidated that key with MKBv11

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iamlindoro:

so for people distributing ripping software, it is in their best interest not to release processing keys as it allows them to prolong the usefulness of their processing keys

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iamlindoro:

Likewise, releasing the processing key allows the Blu-ray consortium to know precisely which player is compromised

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iamlindoro:

Mind you, processing keys *are* out there, there are lots of knock off third party blu-ray rippers which, when you investigate them further, are illegally using open source software, including libbluray and libaacs, to do their ripping, including newer MKB

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iamlindoro:

Unfortunately they've hacked them suck that they just zip up the AACS folder and submit it via HTTP, and do their decryption on their server side, so they prevent one from pulling the processing key from memory

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mothy:

has anyone been able to get asx streaming to work?

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iamlindoro:

Lots of people

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mothy:

not I

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iamlindoro:

Oh well

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mothy:

oh well

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iamlindoro:

This is what happens when you ask metaquestions

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mothy:

kbye

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iamlindoro:

seeya

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wagnerrp:

you may want to try asking 'can someone help me get ASX streaming working?'

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iamlindoro:

or much better than that, "I am seeing a when I try b, and the logs read c."

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mothy:

i'm tinkering

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mothy:

i'll ask a real question when i have one

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wagnerrp:

what is a 'nvidia gts 2 pro'?

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wagnerrp:

is he talking about an old geforce 2?

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wagnerrp:

like a 10yr old graphics card?

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wagnerrp:

i thought we required OpenGL 2.0 or better

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iamlindoro:

We don't have any stated GL version requirement at the moent, sadly

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iamlindoro:

though Mark's profiling code should put an end to that

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wagnerrp:

surely that thing simply doesnt have the processing power to do it

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iamlindoro:

I'm not entirely certain what card he's referring to either

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wagnerrp:

well... i went ahead and asked

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wagnerrp:

i have no problem saying we dont support hardware older than dirt^H^H^H^Hthe mythtv project itself

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yunosh:

what's the difference between "record weekly" and "search weekly" recording rules?

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sgsax:

I ran backend/frontend on a box with a geforce 4 Ti

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yunosh:

or daily fwiw

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sgsax:

didn't have any problems, but I also ran TV out from the hauppauage pvr 350

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quicksilver:

my frontend uses a radeon 9250

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quicksilver:

I'm not sure that supports all of opengl 2.0

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wagnerrp:

quicksilver: are you using the OpenGL or QT painter?

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quicksilver:

it is only six years old, but it's nine year old architecture.

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: opengl painter, but I'm still on 0.22 IIRC.

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wagnerrp:

seems the 9000 series was all opengl 2.1

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quicksilver:

good :)

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quicksilver:

does the new opengl stuff use shaders then?

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iamlindoro:

Some code committed after .24 does, yes

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** quicksilver wonders if the open source driver's stuff is up to scratch for that. **

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iamlindoro:

extraodinarily doubtful

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iamlindoro:

That said, the new code includes profiling code to assign you the right level of bling automagically

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iamlindoro:

So if your drivers aren't up to snuff, it will fall back to legacy mode

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quicksilver:

actually I think 0.22 had an OSD font-size glitch so I'm on "some SVN release shortly after 0.22"

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quicksilver:

but my policy with that machine has been if it ain't broke, don't touch it.

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iamlindoro:

Definitely nothing wrong with not upgrading

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iamlindoro:

I wish more people would, in fact

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iamlindoro:

(Rather than upgrade, then scream that they were somehow forced to do so and why did we have to change x, y, and z)

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wagnerrp:

well... as long as theyre running a non-pre-release version

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quicksilver:

I'm considering upgrading at some point for the many many mythweb changes since 0.22

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quicksilver:

but I'm scared of not allocating enough time for the upgrade and being sad when it breaks.

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quicksilver:

do rtuk people still have to manually re-enter all their xmltvids after a rescan?

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quicksilver:

Oh, that's right. The other reason I want to upgrade is the bugs in the DVD support in the internal player.

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wagnerrp:

only if there are non-matching channels from before the scan

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wagnerrp:

if the channels are in the same place, they should remain untouched

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iamlindoro:

quicksilver: Yes, DVD playback in .24 is MASSIVELY better thanks to Patron Saint Mark Kendall

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** quicksilver nods **

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wagnerrp:

but any new channels will require the xmltv ids be manually set

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Twiggy|worx:

wagnerrp, do you use EIT at all?

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: OK, that's fine. I don't mind setting up new ones.

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wagnerrp:

no, EIT is effectively worthless over here

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro: about 10–15% of new DVDs seem to fall foul of the bugs in the old playback.

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wagnerrp:

although some still insist on using it

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Twiggy|worx:

ohh where is over here. I just assumed you were stateside

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quicksilver:

it's only a mild annoyance because there is also a PS3 by the TV, so we just put the DVD in something else.

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quicksilver:

although I prefer mythtv's controller to the PS3s.

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sgsax:

I upgraded from .21 to .23, only thing I didn't get back were thumbnails

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sgsax:

and I can probably restore them if I get a round to it

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Twiggy|worx:

I have 5 channels and feel like a subscription with schedules direct woudl be a waste. My EIT works(USA) but often the plot data stuff is off by an hour or so. The data the tv shows is not though.

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wagnerrp:

EIT gets you what... a couple hours? a day at the most?

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iamlindoro:

EIT in the US is unreliable in many many different ways

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iamlindoro:

That's when it gets you anything at all

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Digdilem:

EIT in uk is 8 days, all info

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iamlindoro:

Digdilem: We're discussing in the context of the US, where broadcasters couldn't care less, and will only do their legal requirement, and often not even that

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Digdilem:

fair enough

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iamlindoro:

since most consumer hardware in the US just discards EIT entirely, broadcasters do little to nothing with it

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Digdilem:

that's a real shame, but does explain why myth and other us-based pvr's have so much facility for xmltv and the other subs-based systems. I did wonder why.

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iamlindoro:

Well, XMLTV is also essential for many, many non-US locales too

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iamlindoro:

I daresay the UK is one of the few places where EIT is actually a viable option without any XMLTV enhancement

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wagnerrp:

over here, broadcasters are only required to do the current and next show

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iamlindoro:

(though I also know that many users prefer to use Radio Times there too)

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wagnerrp:

and most TVs wont display more than that on their OSD

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Twiggy|worx:

Mine gets me the whole day and on some chan's a second day most of the time. Do you know why the tv interprets the plot data correctly and mythtv throws it with the wrong timeslot?

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Digdilem:

why don't they do it? because the broadcasters get paid for supplying the other sources of programming info?

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wagnerrp:

there is no gain in their effort

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iamlindoro:

Digdilem: Because the US is dominated by for-pay cable and satellite services, which transmit the entire guide data out-of-band

[17:33:53]

Digdilem:

ah. makes sense

[17:33:56]

wagnerrp:

and most of the commercial DVR systems come with subscription guide data

[17:34:03]

quicksilver:

it's not particularly in their interest to help you develop DVR/PVRs either

[17:34:10]

Digdilem:

i understand now

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Digdilem:

thans

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quicksilver:

they'd rather you bought a commercial one which represents a revenue stream to them in one way or another

[17:34:35]

iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents: Often because of a misconfigured time zone

[17:35:21]

wagnerrp:

your TV probably gets its time from the broadcaster

[17:35:41]

wagnerrp:

while mythtv assumes you have NTP set up and running to handle that

[17:36:10]

Twiggy|worx:

okay, so maybe a dst issue? Who knows i might of never set my timezone

[17:36:25]

iamlindoro:

Yes, potential daylight savings issue

[17:36:36]

Twiggy|worx:

I will check into that.

[17:36:39]

Twiggy|worx:

Thank you

[17:41:22]

Twiggy|worx:

does schedules direct accurately tell the subtitle? My EIT doesnt so therefor it can't destinguish between old and new episodes. I would assume it does

[17:42:32]

wagnerrp:

yes, SD does show subtitles

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wagnerrp:

and beyond that, it provides a unique ID that works better for duplicate detection

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Twiggy|worx:

well assume you would reccomend that no matter how many channels I have then?

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iamlindoro:

yes, pretty much universally

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Twiggy|worx:

man might as well get TiVo then... All these hidden charges

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** Twiggy|worx runs and hides do to lack of being able to catch sarcasm over the internet **

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wagnerrp:

$20/yr versus what... $15/mo?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, 20/mo

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Twiggy|worx:

wagnerrp, I know its really cheap compared to other alternatives. I was purely a joke

[17:58:36]

Twiggy|worx:

s/I/It

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Twiggy|worx:

how far in advance does it provide?

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wagnerrp:

2 weeks

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wagnerrp:

updated daily

[18:01:16]

tgm4883:

iamlindoro, would you mind taking a quick peek at this. Someone getting the old results when using tmdb.py, but looks like they have the right bindings installed http://pastebin.com/1zUbSHAw

[18:01:28]

tgm4883:

or anyone that can answer that question ^

[18:01:58]

Twiggy|worx:

awesome. One last thing concerning this. Am I pretty much screwed on keeping dupes out with my current recordings then?

[18:02:12]

wagnerrp:

no indenting on the version printout?

[18:02:24]

Twiggy|worx:

Woudl it be posible to edit them to add in the subtitle layout in schedule directs format?

[18:02:41]

RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: I will take a look.

[18:02:46]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: The only thing that I'm aware of that can cause old-style results would be either an out-of-date script or old bindings. Would want to see if there was a duplicate copy of the bindings somewhere that is confusing matters, or if the script itself is out of date

[18:02:47]

tgm4883:

RDV_Linux, thanks

[18:02:58]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: I've never seen it *not* be one of those

[18:03:01]

wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx, if the data you get from SD matches that which you had been getting from EIT

[18:03:08]

wagnerrp:

you will not have trouble with duplicates

[18:03:29]

Twiggy|worx:

wagnerrp, right now my shows have no subtitle and some of the program data doesnt even match the program

[18:03:51]

Twiggy|worx:

so I think I would out of luck with that. Unless I could edit the subtitle to make it match the format

[18:04:05]

tgm4883:

iamlindoro, hmm ok. Was wondering that myself, but with the same packages I can't reproduce the issue. Wondering if there is a second set installed somewhere

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: then youre pretty much out of luck

[18:04:26]

Twiggy|worx:

okay thank you

[18:04:30]

wagnerrp:

let them record, and delete afterwards would be the easiest

[18:04:39]

wagnerrp:

or if you run up against conflicts, disable them on a per show basis

[18:04:48]

tgm4883:

iamlindoro, but mythpython is reporting the correct version right? Is there somehting we can pass tmdb.py that will tell us what/where bindings it is using?

[18:05:51]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: the grabbers /should/ be importing the same MythTV bindings as mythpython

[18:06:13]

RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: tmdb.py and the libraries have there own version numbers. The libraries have more functions than currently used by Mythvideo

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tgm4883:

hmm, so possibly old script then?

[18:07:08]

wagnerrp:

could be an old script, but then it wouldnt be in the proper location

[18:07:20]

wagnerrp:

0.24 uses different default placement and database entries for the grabbers than 0.23

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RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: My install reports a tmdb.py version of 0.21 and I am using trunk which is the same as 0.24 at the moment.

[18:08:01]

tgm4883:

RDV_Linux, and that is correct? It shouldn't show 0.24?

[18:08:59]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: im still confused as to why theres no indenting on the version output

[18:09:13]

RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: please run tmdb.py -v and tell me what the <version>0.21</version> tags says

[18:09:44]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, it's in a forum post, so that could be why

[18:09:53]

tgm4883:

RDV_Linux, i'll relay the info, thanks

[18:10:49]

RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: the pastbin shows "tmdb version: v0.2.5" and we dropped the "v" in version for Mythtv 0.24

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tgm4883:

RDV_Linux, ok, so possibly an old version of the script then

[18:11:36]

tgm4883:

or would that indicate bindings

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RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: At the very least it seems odd but to be sure he should post the results from a "/..../tmdb.py -v" run and it should be xml with a <version>0.21</version> tag value in the output.

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tgm4883:

RDV_Linux, I don't think it's going to be xml

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tgm4883:

IIRC, it wasn't xml when they were searching for a movie

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tgm4883:

2010-11–16 18:50:15.901 Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M The Matrix

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tgm4883:

2010-11–16 18:50:15.922 No results found for The Matrix 0 0

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RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: the ttvdb.py should be reporting a version od 1.21 rather than 1.2.1 as in the pastebin. Seems like non-Mythtv 0.24 grabber scripts to me.

[18:15:43]

tgm4883:

RDV_Linux, I would agree, although I'm not sure why there are there

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tgm4883:

I'll see what it reports when directly queried with -v

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wagnerrp:

ooh... Harrison Ford, James Bond, and Thirteen battle aliens in the old west

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iamlindoro:

Cowboys vs Aliens?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

er... meant to say Indiana Jones, not Harrison Ford

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CyberKnet:

Anyone know what the size of a full mythtv source checkout is off the top of their head? I could download it, but I didn't want to consume Myth's hosting bandwidth just to find out how big it was...

[18:30:48]

wagnerrp:

a single revision checkout, maybe a few dozen MB

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wagnerrp:

not much

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CyberKnet:

this would exclude branches and tags then?

[18:32:18]

wagnerrp:

not sure why you would want a full full checkout

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CyberKnet:

Maybe that's my problem – that I'm not used to using svn.

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wagnerrp:

just check out the specific branch you want to use

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CyberKnet:

I got code from a different project's svn. Including branches and tags it was 2.8GB. I didn't think to just go to trunk/ for my checkout

[18:33:40]

CyberKnet:

I couldn't figure why someone would leave *so* many copies of code in their subversion.

[18:34:54]

CyberKnet:

So it's just generally understood that you have to know to get trunk/ ... or know hte specific name of the branches/[branch] that you want to get ... but nobody in their right (understanding) mind would just take / and get all of tags and branches and trunk... ?

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wagnerrp:

the whole thing, all branches, all revisions, is just shy of 800MB

[18:36:02]

wagnerrp:

but just a single revision, probably closer to a quarter that

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CyberKnet:

Sorry ... these are kind of general questions and not at all Myth related.

[18:37:23]

CyberKnet:

would a branch get removed once someone merges their changes into trunk, or are they generally kept around?

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wagnerrp:

once its merges and complete, it gets deleted

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CyberKnet:

I've really not helped do much OSS development... and I work with TFS at work and things are done a bit differently.

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wagnerrp:

but nothing ever actually gets deleted from SVN

[18:38:01]

wagnerrp:

its just no longer available in that specific revision

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CyberKnet:

OK. So I guess this project just has many active branches in it right now. And I downloaded all of them when I needed none of them.

[18:39:39]

wagnerrp:

there is currently only one active development branch, besides trunk

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CyberKnet:

for Myth, you mean?

[18:39:58]

wagnerrp:

but several of the old -fixes branches remain

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clever:

and svn only downloads what exists at a certain revision, not the entire history of everything

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CyberKnet:

yeah, I shouldn't have said "this project" sorry.

[18:40:49]

CyberKnet:

OK. I think that gives me a much clearer view of svn. Thank you for helping enlighten me :)

[18:40:55]

CyberKnet:

I appreciate it.

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, branches in svn are shallow copies, meaning they only use the disk space on the server of the differences, so theres really no harm in having a ton of branches, they just 'expand'/'fill out' when you check them out

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, so the svn mantra is really only checkout the specific sub-tree that you need

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drindt:

iamlindoro: you suggests me days ago to switch to the .24, so grant me the question when my clients still .23 is that working then?

[19:06:43]

drindt:

iamlindoro: can a .23 client play from .24?

[19:06:57]

iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

all systems on your network must be the same version

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** iamlindoro grumbles something about the comment police **

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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drindt:

iamlindoro: your grumble is about me?

[19:16:49]

Beirdo:

he wants you to change an SVN comment?!

[19:16:51]

iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: So it seems

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Beirdo:

haha

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** Beirdo hands iamlindoro the ceremonial trout **

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iamlindoro:

Granted, I get is point that /sec is the rate of change rather than frequency, but c'mon

[19:17:33]

iamlindoro:

The comment is obvious to anyone who knows that the code is doing

[19:17:39]

iamlindoro:

er what the

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Beirdo:

true. 90kHz/sec would be how fast you scan something, etc.. but whatever. Comments are somewhat immutable (or should be)

[19:18:11]

Beirdo:

now log messages, I could understand, but dang

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** wagnerrp would like to reserve the right to trout anyone who starts talking about how many watts/sec their computer uses **

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dustybin:

when will DVDs stop being produced?

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wagnerrp:

decades from now

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iamlindoro:

When the cost of making them is greater that the money made on them

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wagnerrp:

you can still buy VHS tapes

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure they still outsell bluray

[19:23:20]

iamlindoro:

I'm sure they dpo

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iamlindoro:

do

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wagnerrp:

(dvds do, not vhs)

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dustybin:

i might as well stay SD for another year

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dustybin:

wait for a linux DVB-T2 tuner

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Brad-D:

Congratz on getting .24 released guys. I'm very excited to try it!

[19:25:04]

dustybin:

moving to HD is a _expensive_ process

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Twiggy|worx:

pshhh I use laserdisc

[19:25:25]

Twiggy|worx:

Nothing says hd like a 14 inch disc

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iamlindoro:

that 14 inch disc is SD

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: and 512x374 resolution

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wagnerrp:

384

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wagnerrp:

less than SD

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** NightMonkey thinks Twiggy|worx was joking... **

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Twiggy|worx:

lol yes it was a joke

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Twiggy|worx:

think if they made a bluray disc that big. It would be a massive amount of storage

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wagnerrp:

on the order of several terabytes

[19:28:05]

wagnerrp:

probably larger than any hard drive currently on the market

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NightMonkey:

"Here is your box of Internet. Please sign."

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Twiggy|worx:

I want to see the burner that would support it. Actually I want to know how long it would take to burn a full disc.

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kormoc:

9.14 gigabytes per square inch for BDXL, so figure out the size of a laser disk in square inches and you ahve your answer

[19:31:11]

JEDIDIAH__:

ever clone a nearly full multi-terabyte drive? probably something like that.

[19:31:18]

wagnerrp:

no... 425x425 resolution it seems

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iamlindoro:

There, sorted out that little bug, didn't I?

[19:32:52]

iamlindoro:

Probably ought to get that one in the release notes fo' sho'

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: somewhere around 48sq.in. of usable area, so shy of half a terabyte

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wagnerrp:

... lower than expected

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Twiggy|worx:

wagnerrp, I got considerably higher than that for sq inches

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Twiggy|worx:

I think I may of done it wrong though

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wagnerrp:

no... BDXL has to be more than 9.14 GB/sq.in.

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: they were 12", not 14", and dont forget to cut out the center

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Twiggy|worx:

area = Pi * radius2 right?

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Twiggy|worx:

Oh I forgot about the center

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** iamlindoro wonders if you have to start thinking in cubic inches when you add more layers ;) **

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wagnerrp:

erm... double that then

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Twiggy|worx:

I got 1001 Gb's

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Twiggy|worx:

is that what you got?

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** wagnerrp managed to screw up basic 9th grade integrals **

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Twiggy|worx:

with no center compensation?

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around 900GB with the center removed

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wagnerrp:

which would make sense, since i took the center as roughly the size of a DVD

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wagnerrp:

and BDXL is rated at 100GB

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Twiggy|worx:

so we just need a dual sided Blu Ray LaserDisc for the massive storage

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wagnerrp:

nah... halfway decent chance were going to go back to MO discs if we ever have another format

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wagnerrp:

theyre even talking about migrating hard drives to that

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wagnerrp:

i thought the HDFury was supposed to be completely compliant with HDCP licensing

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wagnerrp:

according to the license agreement, no analog output of video is allowed what so ever

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: get what in the release notes?

[20:19:39]

iamlindoro:

r27258 and r27259

[20:19:41]

skd5aner:

I'm getting ready to do my daily run through of commits

[20:19:44]

skd5aner:

backports?

[20:19:48]

iamlindoro:

Those ones are critical

[20:19:51]

iamlindoro:

trunk

[20:19:56]

iamlindoro:

I'll only backport if requested

[20:20:06]

skd5aner:

k – I'll get them in in a little bit, thx

[20:20:15]

iamlindoro:

np, very important commits

[20:20:25]

** wagnerrp supposes skd5aner hasnt actually read them yet **

[20:21:13]

skd5aner:

nope

[20:21:34]

skd5aner:

but I'll be sure, regardless of what they say, to put them in the "Major Changes" section

[20:21:47]

** wagnerrp suggests skd5aner read them before promising anything **

[20:21:50]

skd5aner:

REGARDLESS

[20:22:25]

iamlindoro:

That's the spirit

[20:22:50]

wagnerrp:

IRREGARDLESS!

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skd5aner:

<dr. nick>Inflammable means flammable? What a country!</dr. nick>

[20:25:27]

wagnerrp:

yeah... but irregardless isnt actually a word

[20:27:24]

wagnerrp:

seems we should blame the romans for inflammable

[20:29:49]

skd5aner:

Sorry I couldn't get it done faster – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Release_Note . . . ;oldid=50074

[20:29:54]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: according to stoth, the HDCP checks on that card are done in software, not hardware

[20:30:15]

skd5aner:

s/get it done/warn the towns people

[20:30:37]

wagnerrp:

write your own software and hit the hardware directly, and you can capture the encrypted stream for external decoding

[20:30:43]

wagnerrp:

or maybe thats the avermedia unit....

[20:31:01]

wagnerrp:

he has been playing around with at least one of them

[20:32:19]

iamlindoro:

I know he had some interest in the avermedia box, hadn't heard him mention the Blackmagic one

[20:32:59]

wagnerrp:

well one of the two, in combination with the master key, could be used for that purpose

[20:33:21]

wagnerrp:

maybe in five years, the average computer will actually have enough power to pull it off in real time

[20:33:42]

iamlindoro:

Which as ever still results in a "what do I do with this 1.85 Gb/s+ stream"

[20:34:32]

wagnerrp:

pretty much

[20:38:27]

wagnerrp:

do any of the live-transcoding UPNP servers support HD video?

[20:39:57]

iamlindoro:

I dunno... it seems like we would have heard about it if they were all SD only

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wagnerrp:

ooh... 'transcoding performance on intel atom', this should be amusing

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wagnerrp:

seems the guide on their wiki for transcoding content for the PS3 downconverts to 480p and does mpeg2 at ~8mbps

[20:51:26]

wagnerrp:

mediatomb's that is

[20:51:29]

iamlindoro:

so basically, exactly DVD spec

[20:51:54]

wagnerrp:

sounds like it

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wagnerrp:

and 384kbps AC3, all in a TS

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wagnerrp:

i suppose the people writing the transcode scripts understand the limitations of HD encoding

[20:58:34]

wagnerrp:

while those who dont, and are just using other's scripts, cant tell the difference anyway

[20:58:48]

wagnerrp:

so no one knows to complain or question

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wagnerrp:

or maybe *gasp* their users are just sane

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I wonder if that will do well as a UPNP client for me

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wagnerrp:

mediatomb?

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Beirdo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136593

[21:02:41]

Beirdo:

sorry, paste-fail

[21:03:13]

wagnerrp:

ive heard it has pretty decent codec support

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Beirdo:

hmmmm. :)

[21:03:40]

CyberKnet:

Changed wifi network. I'll see if this one holds up better.

[21:03:53]

CyberKnet:

If not, I'll just disconnect for a while :)

[21:05:14]

skd5aner:

what version of jamu shipped with 0.24?

[21:05:32]

Beirdo:

the one that was in SVN at the time :)

[21:05:53]

Beirdo:

hahaha

[21:06:12]

Beirdo:

does WiFi... with optional USB wireless adapter

[21:06:24]

Beirdo:

THWAP!

[21:06:35]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Jamu v0.7.7

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wagnerrp:

wait... the avermedia USB box has HDMI... output?

[21:07:31]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: Thank you!

[21:07:41]

Beirdo:

I'd laugh hard if that WD box didn't work with WD USB drives

[21:07:47]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Do "./jamu.py -v" to check the version you have installed

[21:07:57]

skd5aner:

yup, the one that was installed is that version

[21:08:13]

skd5aner:

wanted to make sure I wasn't stuck on the one that shipped in 0.23-fixes

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: re: Avermedia capture card – looks like the 2nd 'hdmi' looking port is actually for a breakout cables for analog input – either Component or S-video and Composite... At least according to my googling and a video review I just watched. ;-)

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Beirdo:

heh, we shall see. just ordered one

[21:15:28]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: no, the site says it has HDMI output

[21:15:35]

wagnerrp:

i guess its similar to the -350

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Humm... maybe a different card than I just found then – here's the one I looked at: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . BTkwCjCECjCE

[21:16:06]

Beirdo:

need UPNP client worth using (for the bedroom), and as vaapi is not ready for production, the little fit-pc2 won't be filling my needs in the near future

[21:16:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: You mean the "fit" PC doesn't "fit"? ;-) hehehehehe

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002VY8OS8/r . . . TVPDKIKX0DER

[21:18:13]

Beirdo:

too bad that puppy's Atom based

[21:19:08]

Beirdo:

nearly precisely what I want for the kitchen

[21:19:59]

Twiggy|worx:

is atom really that bad?

[21:20:11]

Beirdo:

it is

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: should have gotten that HP touchscreen on woot

[21:20:12]

Beirdo:

for me

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Twiggy|worx:

Arnt they making dual core atoms now?

[21:20:26]

wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: the Atom does not have enough performance to decode on its own

[21:20:29]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, maybe... but it was expensive enough, and off-budget

[21:20:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Twiggy|worx: Especially if you want to do HD...

[21:20:37]

JEDIDIAH__:

Atom is a very weak CPU.

[21:20:45]

wagnerrp:

and since most of what mythtv does is single threaded decoding, multi-core is of no use

[21:21:00]

Twiggy|worx:

so atom blows for intensive stuff, but is okay if you plan on doing nothing with it

[21:21:01]

wagnerrp:

mythtv only does multi-core decoding with multi-slices H264 content

[21:21:11]

wagnerrp:

and there is some DVB-T stuff like that

[21:21:18]

wagnerrp:

but most of it is going to be bluray playback

[21:21:22]

JEDIDIAH__:

Atom is fine if the GPU is doing all o fthe heavy lifting.

[21:21:27]

wagnerrp:

which is far beyond the capabilities of any atom

[21:21:37]

wagnerrp:

right, the Atom only works if you can offload it to the GPU

[21:21:44]

wagnerrp:

which for now, means nvidia and ION units

[21:21:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

Twiggy|worx: And I'd only get one if it had the ION chipset... ^ yep.

[21:22:04]

wagnerrp:

the fitpc has a GMA500 chipset

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wagnerrp:

which *should* work with 0.24 and VAAPI

[21:22:17]

wagnerrp:

but its experimental only

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JEDIDIAH__:

you are probably better of with an nvidia GPU regardless of stuff like vdpau.

[21:22:42]

drindt:

iamlindoro: thanks for the information

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JEDIDIAH__:

My last Intel GPU did not get along well with certain TVs.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: re: avermedia – Oh, the gizmo you were talking about is usb? The one I found was PCIe 1x ;-)

[21:25:47]

wagnerrp:

the x1 card is capture only, no encoding

[21:25:55]

wagnerrp:

the USB device is more similar to an HDPVR

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah... but with HDMI in? wow.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, wait, component in, like HD-PVR – OK.... but has HDMI out... I see what you were saying now. DOH! ;-)

[21:28:25]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: precisely. poor GMA500 box. I'll keep toying with it, but the priorities in 0.25 don't necessarily include VAAPI working

[21:29:51]

Beirdo:

hehe, my order on amazon for a USB DVD-RW, the WD TV Live Plus.. and a pack of dutch licorice... two shipments

[21:29:59]

Beirdo:

the DVD-RW is separate

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: basically, theres only the handful of GMA500 units that can benefit

[21:30:24]

wagnerrp:

the X4500 HD and GMA-HD units all generally come with processors beefy enough to handle anything mythtv needs

[21:30:28]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, it's the best thing supported well under VAAPI that I've heard

[21:30:30]

wagnerrp:

besides perhaps bluray

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: So the Licorice is shipping with the WDTV? HA!!!

[21:31:10]

Beirdo:

yeah

[21:31:24]

Beirdo:

isn't that an odd arrangement?

[21:31:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

It certainly is!

[21:31:41]

iamlindoro:

Think the X4500 stuff claims to handle Blu-ray spec stuff

[21:32:16]

iamlindoro:

"the difference between the GMA X4500 and the GMA X4500HD is that the GMA X4500HD is capable of "full 1080p high-definition video playback, including Blu-ray disc movies","

[21:32:30]

iamlindoro:

hmm, so apparently only that variant, though god only knows the physical difference

[21:33:58]

iamlindoro:

ah, different chipsets entirely

[21:34:27]

iamlindoro:

And GMA HD > X4500HD so that ought to handle it too

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the GMA HD stuff only exists on dual core i3s and i5s

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wagnerrp:

think a 3.2GHz i5 dual would have enough power for bluray?

[21:37:52]

wagnerrp:

would certainly handle any HDDVDs

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wagnerrp:

i3 rather

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wagnerrp:

ah, thats the difference... no turbo boost

[21:41:21]

iamlindoro:

I would think it should be fine

[21:41:31]

iamlindoro:

I have done Blu-ray in software on a Q6600 for a long time

[21:41:42]

wagnerrp:

sure, but thats a quad 2.4

[21:41:45]

wagnerrp:

versus a dual 3.2

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iamlindoro:

Right, but I selcomd get even close to 2 full cores of use

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Twiggy|worx:

I have one other question about schedules direct, does it happen to say if its a new episode or a repeat?

[21:42:06]

iamlindoro:

er seldom

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wagnerrp:

oh?

[21:42:17]

iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents: Yes, both

[21:42:20]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yep

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iamlindoro:

Heck, I've done Blu-ray in the mobile dual core on my Dell Studio Hybrid with a little tweaking

[21:42:54]

iamlindoro:

though in fairness it did take some work

[21:42:58]

Twiggy|worx:

iamlindoro, really? Is it in the subtitle or something? That is awesome, that basically pushed me over the edge for getting them

[21:43:17]

wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: it gives the original airdate

[21:43:39]

Twiggy|worx:

awesome!

[21:43:58]

wagnerrp:

it will also mark 'generic' episodes

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wagnerrp:

and for some content, multi-part episodes

[21:44:54]

Twiggy|worx:

how does it do on "local programming"? Say sunday movies on local stations and stuff.

[21:45:05]

wagnerrp:

should do fine

[21:45:25]

Twiggy|worx:

Does it say the show or local programming? As in tv guide says local programming for sunday movies.

[21:45:37]

kormoc:

depends on what the station gives us

[21:45:39]

wagnerrp:

it says the show

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wagnerrp:

it may not be correct 2 weeks out

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy|worx: Tribune Media (who are the people who sell the listings to Schedules Direct) do the hard work of calling all stations in the country, collating the data, turning it into a consistent, usable format

[21:46:03]

iamlindoro:

That includes local programming

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wagnerrp:

but when you pull, you pull the next day as well

[21:46:15]

wagnerrp:

so any corrections for the next day get picked up

[21:46:20]

Twiggy|worx:

ohh awesome!

[21:47:05]

Twiggy|worx:

If I get a chance tonight I will grab a membership and set it up!

[21:47:27]

wagnerrp:

you cant get a 7 day free trial

[21:47:35]

iamlindoro:

can

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Twiggy|worx:

you mean can?

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wagnerrp:

meaning unpaid guide data for 3 weeks

[21:47:42]

wagnerrp:

yes... can

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Twiggy|worx:

One last question, looking at the wiki it seems you set this up in mythtv-setup, is it ran by mythfilldatabase or on its own?

[21:49:00]

kormoc:

mythbackend runs mythfilldatabase when it needs to

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Twiggy|worx:

okay so I dont need to set up mythfilldatabase to run every so often

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Twiggy|worx:

?

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wagnerrp:

no, the master backend will do it automatically

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Twiggy|worx:

okay

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Beirdo:

huh huhu huhuh

[21:53:15]

** Beirdo is watching Beavis & Butthead. **

[21:58:03]

Beirdo:

rumor is they are thinking of bringing it back :)

[21:58:16]

wagnerrp:

why?

[21:58:28]

Beirdo:

because it's COOL

[21:58:28]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:58:33]

wagnerrp:

it was annoying and stupid before, it still is

[21:58:47]

** wagnerrp didnt have cable and MTV as a child **

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Beirdo:

annoying, stupid, and hilarious

[21:58:59]

** Beirdo was in college when it was out **

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wagnerrp:

old man

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Beirdo:

:)

[21:59:46]

Beirdo:

B&B is perfect when half-drunk

[21:59:54]

Beirdo:

or baked, I'd imagine :)

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Twiggy|worx:

that was mtvs transition into no musicTV

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Beirdo:

yup. the downfall of MTV, but I'd be happy to see it back

[22:01:08]

Beirdo:

musicTV->moronTV

[22:01:50]

Beirdo:

I like Mike Judge's work

[22:02:10]

wagnerrp:

music? on MTV? blasphemy

[22:02:28]

Beirdo:

only if it's moronic :)

[22:03:10]

wagnerrp:

we can only have shows about destroyed cars, ugly homes, and idoits locked in a shared apartment

[22:03:27]

Beirdo:

and people dating to piss off their parents, etc

[22:04:20]

wagnerrp:

at least the 90s stuff like beavis and butthead or aeon flux was fairly original

[22:04:31]

wagnerrp:

there was creative input

[22:04:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, that it was

[22:04:55]

wagnerrp:

its not just give the below average american or celebrity a camera, and see what happens

[22:04:57]

skd5aner:

MTV litterally no longer stands for "Music Television" – it just stands for "MTV" – the made that announcement last year

[22:05:23]

Beirdo:

it stands for "Moron Television", they just don't like to say it out loud :)

[22:05:28]

Beirdo:

kinda like KFC

[22:05:32]

BDillon_:

haha, i love MTV

[22:05:34]

BDillon_:

it's awesome

[22:05:34]

Beirdo:

nooo, it's not fried

[22:05:40]

** kormoc eyes BDillon_ **

[22:05:56]

kormoc:

Beirdo, to be fair, that was Kentucky screwing with them

[22:06:01]

BDillon_:

it very much is my friend :>

[22:06:06]

BDillon_:

i may be low brow, but i love it

[22:06:11]

Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, fair enough :)

[22:06:15]

kormoc:

BDillon_, I don't think we can be friends anymore...

[22:06:26]

BDillon_:

That's unfortunate

[22:06:27]

skd5aner:

MTV has made me reconsider ever having children

[22:06:28]

BDillon_:

:>

[22:06:34]

kormoc:

Beirdo, The State of Kentucky required a free to use the name Kentucky in a business name

[22:06:40]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: more than E Channel?

[22:06:47]

kormoc:

Beirdo, KFC said, no way jose

[22:06:47]

wagnerrp:

the state of kentucky? whats that?

[22:06:50]

Beirdo:

hahah, seriously?!

[22:06:51]

** skd5aner shudders **

[22:06:52]

Beirdo:

nice

[22:07:08]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: within rock's throw from you, no? :)

[22:07:25]

wagnerrp:

i dont live in or anywhere the 'state of kentucky'

[22:07:30]

skd5aner:

Shows you... Kentucky is not a state... it's a commonwealth

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[22:07:38]

Beirdo:

it's also a state :)

[22:07:44]

wagnerrp:

yeah... beotch

[22:07:45]

skd5aner:

it, is not

[22:07:56]

Beirdo:

but yeah, it's official title ain't State of..

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[22:08:26]

Beirdo:

we can live with that :)

[22:08:44]

Beirdo:

as long as they keep making tasty bourbon

[22:08:59]

kormoc:

Beirdo, http://www.snopes.com/lost/kfc.asp

[22:09:03]

skd5aner:

and wagnerrp, come one – your city's airport is in Kentucky, so that basically means you're a Kentuckian

[22:09:12]

skd5aner:

s/one/on

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i /live/ in kentucky

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skd5aner:

oh, heh

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Beirdo:

kormoc: to be fair, they *did* market it at least locally as being for the fried = unhealthy issue

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skd5aner:

thought you were on the Ohio side?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt mean i live in the /state/ of kentucky

[22:10:22]

kormoc:

Beirdo, sure, the link goes into that

[22:10:31]

wagnerrp:

i say cincinnati since thats the biggest city around here

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skd5aner:

right – see my statement above – we made the same point ;)

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wagnerrp:

but to be pedantic, cincinnati doesnt have their own airport

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you do live in the state of Kentucky... but not the State of Kentucky, no?

[22:11:38]

skd5aner:

I've actually been to the original KFC...

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wagnerrp:

theyve got some little dinky strips that can take non commercial, and some business jets

[22:11:59]

wagnerrp:

but no international airport

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Beirdo:

as in the "small-s state" being a description of being a state of the USA, not it's official title

[22:12:22]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: right, that's what I was saying – I'm very familiar with CVG :)

[22:12:30]

wagnerrp:

but the calling code is CVG, covington

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wagnerrp:

which is odd because covington and the airport are in different counties

[22:12:44]

wagnerrp:

go figure...

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Beirdo:

yeah, go figure :)

[22:13:13]

Beirdo:

that happens a lot

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skd5aner:

But, they still call CVG "Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport"

[22:13:38]

RyeBrye:

the original KFC isn't in kentucky

[22:14:07]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: to make things easier for the avg public, likely

[22:14:20]

skd5aner:

RyeBrye: uh, it's in Corbin, Kentucky near the border with Tenn?

[22:14:47]

RyeBrye:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFC sort of

[22:15:05]

RyeBrye:

the first KFC was in SLC Utah, although Colnel Sanders had a restaurant in Corbin

[22:15:22]

** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

close enough :)

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RyeBrye:

The one in Kentucky was called "The Sanders Court & Cafe" – when it was franchised it was called Kentucky Fried Chicken. The first franchise was opened in SLC

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skd5aner:

::eyeroll:: this room is always solidly field with nitpickers and one-uppers :P

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wagnerrp:

so kentucky tried to prevent the commercial use of that name?

[22:16:58]

wagnerrp:

surprised the indians didnt chime in on that lawsuit

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: isn't it fun?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: let alone the chickens

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RyeBrye:

or the friars

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I suppose if you're the one who's always nitpicking, sure

[22:17:35]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: not always, just sometimes :)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, they trademarked it and required royalties to use it

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skd5aner:

Tradmarking the name of a state (commonwealth, etc)... BRILLIANT!

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Beirdo:

surprised that was even allowed

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kormoc:

Beirdo, when the state runs the trademarking office...

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drno:

Hey all. In Mythvideo in the "onscreen" menu i can enable or disable a audio-upmixer. Does anyone know how to disable this by default in order to get dts passthrough?

[22:19:42]

skd5aner:

it reminds me of a something I read a few months ago about the entity that manages stonehenge demanding people pay royalties for selling images of stonehendge on fliker and other photo selling sites...

[22:20:00]

skd5aner:

... even though stonehenge has been around for how many thousands of years and they've only managed it for like a dozen...

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Twiggy|worx:

hmm my atom netbook has issues even playing pandora... If I multitask sometimes it will be come unresponsive ( windows)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: but you cant trademark a common name

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drno:

If i have to dts sources i have to disable this upmixer and then select another audio source. Then i get dts. This does not work though if i only have one source. Then i can disable the upmixer, but the audio output stays DD...

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wagnerrp:

one already in use by rivers, lakes, tribes of indians, ...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, unless you're making the rules and decide to break them

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the TM only applied to use in the state, it wasn't a federal trademark

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skd5aner:

I'm not seeing anything on google mentioning Kentuncky trying to trademark their name?

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kormoc:

skd5aner, see snopes link I posted earlier

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skd5aner:

kormoc: ah, ok... thanks

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skd5aner:

still sounds totally rediculous

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Beirdo:

and if it were a state trademarking authority, they'd have no authority outside of KY, would they?

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JEDIDIAH__:

the funny thing about that Stongehenge nonsense is that they're demanding royalties for use of photos that are older than their little organization.

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Beirdo:

I thought trademarking was done at a federal level anyways

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JEDIDIAH__:

there are probably some pretty old stonehenge photos in the National Geographic Archive.

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kormoc:

Beirdo, they didn't, but KFC wasn't going to close up shop in kentucky

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Beirdo:

maybe it was more a case of not allowing business license renewals without name changes

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kormoc:

Beirdo, trademarks can be county, state, or federal

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Beirdo:

yeah, I doubt that would be a smart move for either party

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kormoc:

Beirdo, most of the time you get as many as you can

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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waza-ari:

noone has an idea to this "upmixer" issue

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Beirdo:

have to ask Colonel Sanders...

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Beirdo:

oh, what issue?

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Beirdo:

in all our silliness, did we miss an actual question?

[22:28:23]

waza-ari:

Yeah, i asked as drno

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waza-ari:

just changed to my "correct" nick ;)

[22:28:50]

waza-ari:

In Mythvideo in the "onscreen" menu i can enable or disable a audio-upmixer. Does anyone know how to disable this by default in order to get dts passthrough?

[22:29:02]

Twiggy|worx:

there needs to be a #mythtv-social :)

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waza-ari:

The channel owner should be able to create it ^^

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: yea, for example "Waffle House" isn't "Waffle House" in Indiana, it's "Waffle & Steak" becaue another corporation already used the Waffle House name...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

waza-ari: dunno.

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waza-ari:

Okay... are there any mythvideo specific settings i can look at?

[22:36:46]

waza-ari:

okay, i will search a bit ;)

[22:36:51]

waza-ari:

going to bed now... bye

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kormoc:

ugh

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kormoc:

Beirdo, wagnerrp, skd5aner, evidently snopes publishes fake stories from time to time.... http://www.snopes.com/lost/false.asp

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Twiggy|worx:

lol, the place that is supposed to get down to the bottom making fake stories

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Beirdo:

heheh

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kormoc:

that's a jerkish move of them

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skd5aner:

kormoc: nice, I like how that specifically calls it out – I was pretty sure that none of the sources the article pointed to had anything to do with licensing – but yea, kinda stupid of them

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kormoc:

skd5aner, I just searched the kentucky trademark database and didn't find anything so I figured I'd go look at their sources and sure enough...

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** kormoc sighs **

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Beirdo:

serves us right for believing everything we read on the internet, I guess :)

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skd5aner:

kormoc: eh, it happens

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kormoc:

meh

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kormoc:

they've been a trustworthy site in the past

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Beirdo:

it happens. we move on

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kormoc:

sucks they have to play with that reputation

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Beirdo:

yeah, I could see it if it specifically said April 1...

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Beirdo:

hhaha

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Beirdo:

KFC in western Canada... has workers in the Canadian Auto Workers Union?

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Beirdo:

wrong type of grease, people!

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Twiggy|worx:

low fat high MOLY grease!

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Beirdo:

I guess frying chicken has something in common with putting bumpers on cars... Beats me how

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Beirdo:

anyways, whatever ;)

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JEDIDIAH__:

...just threw out some duck grease yesterday.

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JEDIDIAH__:

Given enough time, any acronym is bound to be associated with 2 things entirely different from each other.

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JEDIDIAH__:

no, that was turkey...

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Beirdo:

huh?

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JEDIDIAH__:

someone was talking about grease.

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skd5aner:

whatchu talkin' bout Willis?!

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JEDIDIAH__:

gobble gobble

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JEDIDIAH__:

or perhaps "surprise! surprise! surprise!" would be a more appropriate response.

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Beirdo:

!trout leprechau

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skd5aner:

Beirdo

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Beirdo:

skd5aner

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skd5aner:

hit enter too soon

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Beirdo:

hehe

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I saw Christian Marillat posted on a ticket you were helping troubleshoot – just wasn't sure if you knew who he was? He does a lot of the debian multimedia packaging

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skd5aner:

and mediabuntu

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Beirdo:

I know

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skd5aner:

ok :)

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Beirdo:

and he's posting silliness

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skd5aner:

:)

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Beirdo:

the user needs to actually let nuvexport say what's missing, and in comes the packager saying "it has support"

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Beirdo:

oh really... let the user go through the steps, thanks

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skd5aner:

np, just trying to shed some light on who that ways if you didn't know?

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Beirdo:

Oh, I knew :)

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skd5aner:

s/?/

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Beirdo:

I use medibuntu ffmpeg, personally

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Beirdo:

or I used to

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

apparently not on my new setup. meh

[23:26:30]

Beirdo:

and really, it's not his fault that upstream jerks us all around

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skd5aner:

yea... why the f does ffmpeg do that, seemingly every few months?

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Beirdo:

because they are retards? I dunno

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skd5aner:

Surely they have to know it wreaks havoc

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Beirdo:

I think my solution is to get ffmpeg compiling to a binary from the mythtv tree

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Beirdo:

and require THAT version

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Beirdo:

that way the versioning is well controlled

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Beirdo:

every time we resync to ffmpeg, nuvexport will need some rework

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Beirdo:

but then we don't have 5M different versions all with their own stupidities

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Beirdo:

that's the general thought I currently am working over anyways

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Beirdo:

that way we don't have "gentoo's ffmpeg does this" and "ubuntu's does that", etc

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Beirdo:

it would always be our own build.

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Beirdo:

stupid flappy IRC client!

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kormoc:

%s/gentoo's ffmpeg/ffmpeg revision x/;%s/ubuntu's/ffmpeg revision y/;

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Beirdo:

kormoc: precisely :)

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Beirdo:

every time a distro puts out a new release, we get a rash of boneheaded ffmpeg-related issues

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Beirdo:

so tired of it

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Beirdo:

remind me to remove it in a bit. Stupid flapping.

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Beirdo:

if someone with ops there wants to do so in #mythtv, go for it

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iamlindoro:

I think that's the "freenode's new IRC software is buggy and if you have > 10 auto-join channels it will immediately bump you off again"

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kormoc:

was that why they klined all unregistered users the other day?

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iamlindoro:

I didn't know that had, dunno

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Beirdo:

the IRC clients need to be sure to do flood protection even in joins

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Beirdo:

I think most start after you join a channel

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Beirdo:

took a bit to get that right for yon bot...

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Beirdo:

you can send so many bytes per sliding window for most servers

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Beirdo:

effectively comes out to about 5 messages at once, then 1 every 2s from then on

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Beirdo:

or something like that

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Beirdo:

on this server (last I checked)... has a flood buffer of 1500 bytes over 8s

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Beirdo:

with a max line size of 160... above that it starts giving the evil eye too

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Beirdo:

which reminds me, I should doublecheck that for their latest custom upgrade :)

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kormoc:

they tell you what it is on connect

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