| Wednesday, November 10th, 2010, 00:10 UTC | ||
| [00:10:23] | k-man: | when does arclight choose a new background image? each time mythfrontend loads or more often than that? |
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| [00:17:00] | kormoc: | k-man, on screen changes |
| [00:21:50] | k-man: | kormoc: ah yeah, thanks |
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| [00:22:51] | Wicked: | anyone using arch linux with a pvr-150? |
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| [01:14:06] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: what do you use for your raid5 ? mdadm? |
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| [01:15:00] | nichos: | hi all, im having a problem with my program data since daylight savings time here in the US |
| [01:15:16] | nichos: | my clock on the machine is correct, but all my EIT program data is an hour late |
| [01:15:34] | Sp0tter: | are hwclock and date both correct output? |
| [01:15:39] | nichos: | I thought it would fix itself (since it only downloads a day or ahead anyway) but it still hasn't resolved itself |
| [01:16:23] | nichos: | sp0tter date shows the actual time, hwclock is showing 1:15 AM eastern |
| [01:17:15] | nichos: | both are saying EST, but hwclock is wrong |
| [01:17:42] | Sp0tter: | i use localtime, and i have my hwclock and date the same.. you can set your hwclock by "hwclock --systohw" |
| [01:17:44] | Sp0tter: | or something like that |
| [01:17:47] | Sp0tter: | to copy the date time to the hwclock |
| [01:18:15] | Sp0tter: | i dont know if its necesary.. if you use utc it might supposed to be differnet |
| [01:18:18] | Sp0tter: | who knows |
| [01:18:38] | nichos: | ok, it's correct now |
| [01:18:58] | nichos: | should it fix itself once the proram data runs out? |
| [01:19:04] | nichos: | or can i purge the guide data? |
| [01:19:06] | Sp0tter: | I don't know. |
| [01:19:25] | Sp0tter: | iw ould just restart it, mythfilldatabase |
| [01:19:29] | nichos: | actually, i havent restarted the front end, wonder if that would do it |
| [01:19:33] | Sp0tter: | i'm just a customer here though :) |
| [01:19:50] | nichos: | hehhe |
| [01:20:06] | Sp0tter: | nothing is more annoying than someone giving you help who knows less than you do |
| [01:20:09] | Sp0tter: | :) |
| [01:20:34] | nichos: | well, you helped me fix something |
| [01:20:35] | Sp0tter: | i had guide info problems though and i just set my two clocks sys and hw then restarted |
| [01:20:38] | nichos: | either way, i appreciate it |
| [01:20:42] | Sp0tter: | heh np |
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| [01:38:17] | Wicked: | anyone using arch linux with a pvr-150? |
| [01:38:28] | Wicked: | im having a hellish time trying to get this working :| |
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| [02:00:14] | Twiggy2cents: | I am trying to remove videos from mythtv. I moved them all from the folder myth looks, and they are still there but I cannot delete them. Do I need to delete them from the db? |
| [02:01:14] | russell5: | you shouldnt have to. did you rescan after moving them |
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| [02:01:31] | Twiggy2cents: | yes, it does it for a split second and doesnt change anything |
| [02:02:03] | Twiggy2cents: | nvm it worked now |
| [02:02:08] | russell5: | ok good :) |
| [02:03:52] | Twiggy2cents: | do you know the script to fill meta data? I dont remember where to look |
| [02:06:10] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: ARC-1230 |
| [02:06:50] | Twiggy2cents: | actually is there script or is auto metadata lookup only supported in 0.24 |
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| [02:08:53] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: if you only have a few hundred, its probably easiest to just run through and hit 'w' on each |
| [02:09:00] | wagnerrp: | if you have a whole lot, there is jamu |
| [02:09:11] | wagnerrp: | or you can upgrade to 0.24 which does batch downloading |
| [02:09:40] | Twiggy2cents: | buttttttt I dont wanna upgrade both computers on this slowww internet. Just downloading the metadata taxes the system |
| [02:09:55] | Twiggy2cents: | system=internet |
| [02:10:02] | Twiggy2cents: | I will just hit w |
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| [02:13:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: weird... Smallville S9E16 (Checkmate) completely changed the style of the show--it went comic book. |
| [02:13:45] | sphery: | wonder why... and whether it will be that way for the rest. |
| [02:14:45] | Twiggy2cents: | sssshhh I havent watched them yet |
| [02:14:57] | Twiggy2cents: | I am recording all of season 10 and have all of season 9 to watch |
| [02:15:01] | sphery: | heh, I spoiled the whole new visual style for you |
| [02:15:03] | Twiggy2cents: | I am only at like 6 |
| [02:15:17] | sphery: | looks like E17 does it, too |
| [02:15:53] | Twiggy2cents: | shhh |
| [02:16:30] | wagnerrp: | oof... 2.3GB for a 34min recording |
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| [02:16:39] | wagnerrp: | the other networks are ramping up their bitrate |
| [02:16:44] | wagnerrp: | and CBS is just going to crap |
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| [02:20:11] | wagnerrp: | why didnt i record this last night? |
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| [02:21:02] | wagnerrp: | ah.. it WAS aired yesterday |
| [02:21:09] | wagnerrp: | but i didnt get to see it because of the football game |
| [02:21:30] | wagnerrp: | instead, i get a horrible bitrate 1080i recording, upscaled from 480i |
| [02:21:41] | wagnerrp: | complete with VBI flickering at the top |
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| [02:24:03] | wagnerrp: | guess that one is getting marked for re-record |
| [02:27:06] | wagnerrp: | hey, its the babylon 5 guy on NCIS |
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| [02:31:12] | Twiggy2cents: | what theme do you guys use on myth? |
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| [02:32:05] | wagnerrp: | arclight on one, mythcenter on the other |
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| [02:32:35] | Twiggy2cents: | I use terra on mine, I like it, but I dont like not being able to see the video posters in the background |
| [02:32:48] | Twiggy2cents: | I will check arclight and mythcenter out |
| [02:33:51] | wagnerrp: | arclight does, mythcenter doesnt |
| [02:34:23] | Twiggy2cents: | Too bad there isnt a coverflow sorta thing |
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| [02:36:54] | Twiggy2cents: | arclight is nice, its very different than terra |
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| [02:39:32] | wagnerrp: | terra was really a demo and development theme, used to try out new ideas for the UI rewrite, and decide how to best design the theme API |
| [02:40:07] | wagnerrp: | arclight is the first theme really built from scratch by someone well versed in the API |
| [02:40:27] | Twiggy2cents: | terra was nice with a remote, but I suppose that arclight is too |
| [02:41:16] | Wicked: | anyone in here using arch linux with a pvr-150? i cannot get the ir receiver/blaster working |
| [02:41:33] | Twiggy2cents: | If I enable commercial flagging, what will happen if I start to watch the recording before its done? Does it change the priority lower than the playback? |
| [02:41:33] | Wicked: | im pretty sure its due to the whole lirc_i2c/lirc_zilog issues...but i cannot find out any more info |
| [02:41:44] | Wicked: | ive tried a few things but im unable to get anything to work |
| [02:42:00] | Wicked: | im fairly sure i want/need the lirc_zilog driver...but i cannot seem to figure out how to get it |
| [02:42:13] | sphery: | Wicked: all I can say is check the mythtv-users list archive for posts for Jarod Wilson |
| [02:42:14] | Wicked: | all my old notes on installing it are no longer relevant |
| [02:42:19] | Wicked: | yea |
| [02:42:23] | sphery: | he's answered a lot of questions from people about it |
| [02:42:33] | Wicked: | j-rod's the man with lirc |
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| [02:42:48] | sphery: | not specifically arch, but I'm guessing its issues are like those in *buntu |
| [02:42:49] | Twiggy2cents: | One other question, my current tuner is a ati all in wonder usb hd tuner. I want a second but I was unsure of what I want. This tuner is good and works great, should I just get a second one since I know it works? Or is there a reason to go with another one? |
| [02:42:49] | Wicked: | but nothing seems to be relevant to me and arch linux |
| [02:43:36] | Twiggy2cents: | Wicked, except for the lirc part |
| [02:43:39] | Wicked: | sphery, well...j-rod has helped me in the past...and i wrote down how...but they no longer work...mainly using a zilog.diff patch....the current lirc source code does not work with the patch |
| [02:43:44] | sphery: | too bad. I assumed that all non-Red-Hat distros had the same problem, now |
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| [02:44:05] | Wicked: | well..unless im being a idiot....i dont think its working right |
| [02:44:14] | sphery: | does the patch fail to apply? |
| [02:44:19] | Wicked: | yes |
| [02:44:31] | sphery: | I'd bet he has a newer patch in his tree somewhere |
| [02:44:31] | Wicked: | i even found a "updated" patch that fails to patch as well |
| [02:44:39] | Wicked: | i looked |
| [02:44:42] | Wicked: | but did not see one |
| [02:44:54] | Wicked: | the very last post on: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1598968&page=2 |
| [02:44:55] | sphery: | is this a bleeding-edge kernel? |
| [02:45:05] | Wicked: | 2.6.35 |
| [02:45:23] | Wicked: | j-rod said in a post that his new lirc stuff will be in 2.6.36 |
| [02:45:35] | Wicked: | but...i have no idea what to do because im on 2.6.35 |
| [02:45:54] | sphery: | Hmmm... I thought Ubuntu 10.10 was using 2.6.35 |
| [02:46:07] | Wicked: | does anyone know what lirc is in ubuntu 10.10? |
| [02:46:16] | Wicked: | the only thing im doing diff then that post |
| [02:46:23] | Wicked: | is im getting the lirc source files from the lirc git repo |
| [02:46:41] | Wicked: | and in that post...they do some ubuntu mumbojumbo to get the lirc sources |
| [02:47:21] | Wicked: | hmm. 0.8.7-pre3 |
| [02:47:29] | Wicked: | no idea what that equates too |
| [02:47:46] | sphery: | 2.6.36 isn't an option? |
| [02:47:53] | nutron: | lirc is going mainline in 2.6.36 |
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| [02:48:32] | Wicked: | i dont think so |
| [02:48:44] | Wicked: | i really dont want to use/build a different kernel |
| [02:48:50] | Wicked: | everytime in the past i have...it creates more issues |
| [02:50:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: there i go again, flaming on wireless users |
| [02:50:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:50:44] | sphery: | I saw that wireless HD-PVR post |
| [02:51:00] | wagnerrp: | 'my connection is pretty decent, rsync runs at 1.1MB/sec |
| [02:51:22] | sphery: | and the fact that the guy was moving stuff from remote to master using a script |
| [02:51:42] | sphery: | hope he's using master backend override and not editing DB |
| [02:52:05] | sphery: | but it seems a lot of work to go to in order to avoid dropping a real wire |
| [02:52:20] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if hes using the bindings to copy those files |
| [02:52:48] | sphery: | he mentioned using the bindings and not updating his script, yet, for the new bindings |
| [02:53:51] | wagnerrp: | im not sure what he would be using that wouldnt work in both 0.23 and 0.24 |
| [02:54:48] | wagnerrp: | at least the way i would write it would work against both the 0.23 and 0.24 bindings |
| [02:54:59] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, is the pixelated background on arclight desirable? Or is it only me that doesnt like it? |
| [02:55:34] | ** wagnerrp pokes iamlindoro ** | |
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| [02:55:41] | wagnerrp: | he'll want to see that one |
| [02:56:17] | Twiggy2cents: | referring to what I said? |
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| [02:56:35] | wagnerrp: | ask him for a copy of arclight pro, it has the real background |
| [02:57:23] | wagnerrp: | ... its just not as fun when hes not around |
| [02:57:31] | Twiggy2cents: | :) And its not pixelated? |
| [02:57:36] | Twiggy2cents: | Did he make the theme? |
| [02:57:44] | wagnerrp: | yes, he made the theme |
| [02:57:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I appreciated it, even if he didn't see it |
| [02:57:48] | wagnerrp: | and yes, that is the real background |
| [02:58:28] | wagnerrp: | and yes, there have been several tickets, and posts to both the dev and users mailing lists for users asking for the 'real' background |
| [02:58:35] | wagnerrp: | or otherwise thinking their image was corrupted |
| [02:58:35] | Twiggy2cents: | LOL |
| [02:58:39] | Wicked: | *sigh* |
| [02:58:41] | Twiggy2cents: | somebody really thought it was an issue |
| [02:58:55] | Wicked: | i just tried to patch the older source for lirc...it still fails |
| [02:58:57] | Wicked: | :| |
| [02:59:26] | sphery: | the author got a direct e-mail from someone asking him to send a copy of the background since the one the user received was corrupted |
| [02:59:31] | nutron: | Hmm all of the "official" links to the themes in the wiki seem to be b0rked |
| [03:00:11] | sphery: | nutron: where? |
| [03:00:15] | Twiggy2cents: | LOL well I think I need to do that |
| [03:00:32] | Twiggy2cents: | mine must be corrupted too. |
| [03:00:33] | nutron: | sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Themes |
| [03:00:45] | Twiggy2cents: | I have two corrupted mythtv installs then |
| [03:00:58] | wagnerrp: | nutron: what links are bad? |
| [03:01:00] | nutron: | oh heh, maybe terra and metallurgy work. so not _all_ |
| [03:01:02] | sphery: | nutron: what's wrong with them? |
| [03:01:14] | sphery: | only some have actual pages |
| [03:01:18] | nutron: | mythbuntu link, graphite link |
| [03:01:22] | sphery: | the rest are just screenshots |
| [03:01:47] | nutron: | isthmus 2 (retro-osd) bad link |
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| [03:02:13] | sphery: | ah, yeah, looks like graphite's external web site was taken down |
| [03:02:16] | wagnerrp: | nutron: for what its worth, all those themes are available through the theme downloader |
| [03:02:23] | wagnerrp: | and the links are not needed |
| [03:02:32] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the website itself it still up |
| [03:02:34] | nutron: | aye, i'm aware, just pointin' it out |
| [03:02:36] | wagnerrp: | but that subpage doesnt exist |
| [03:02:42] | wagnerrp: | so you get a yahoo error |
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| [03:03:01] | nutron: | wagnerrp: how much sleep did you get, did you play robot unicorn attack all night? =D |
| [03:03:12] | wagnerrp: | looks like there was a snafu on the page |
| [03:03:21] | wagnerrp: | its been reverted back two and a half years |
| [03:03:24] | sphery: | there, graphite is fixed |
| [03:03:34] | wagnerrp: | nutron: maybe 6–7 hours, and no |
| [03:03:50] | nutron: | :/ you were supposed to get .. addicted.. bah! |
| [03:05:09] | sphery: | and Mythbuntu fixed |
| [03:06:03] | sphery: | and Retro-OSD |
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| [03:06:36] | nutron: | fun! just remove the links \o/ |
| [03:06:41] | nutron: | I should've done that |
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| [03:09:04] | sphery: | nutron: heh, yeah--and thanks for noticing |
| [03:09:35] | Twiggy2cents: | how does mythweather work? I dont have all the options that the wiki states. I cant figure out how to set my location |
| [03:10:48] | sphery: | wow, there were quite a few OSD themes that I'd never seen before in my life |
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| [03:11:00] | sphery: | hope their authors actually make new themes with the new engine |
| [03:11:22] | sphery: | (since all of the OSD themes will be obsolete/non-functional with 0.24+) |
| [03:11:23] | Wicked: | ugh. nothing i do is working |
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| [03:11:53] | Wicked: | ive tried patching lirc 0.8.6 and 0.8.7...all the zilog.diff patches fail |
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| [03:12:04] | ByteChang: | Hi Wicked! |
| [03:12:13] | ByteChang: | I missed a good convsation I see. |
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| [03:12:17] | Wicked: | ive tried using a custom lirc-snapshot j-rod made a while back |
| [03:12:22] | Wicked: | nothing is working |
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| [03:12:35] | Twiggy2cents: | actually, what do I need to search for for the weather? I tried zip and city, state and one worked. |
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| [03:13:18] | nichos: | there's a bug when searching |
| [03:14:05] | Thunder-: | Is there a preferred way to determine if a mythtv recording has completed using just the database? anything better than checking the endtime value against current time? (Haven't been able to find anything else) |
| [03:14:16] | Twiggy2cents: | so how are you supposed to do it? The wiki only talks about editing it on the frontend |
| [03:14:40] | nichos: | im trying to remember – if I recally, searching by region is what I had to do |
| [03:14:44] | nichos: | try entering "south east" |
| [03:14:51] | nichos: | (or wherever you are) |
| [03:14:52] | wagnerrp: | Thunder-: query the backend over mythproto or mythxml |
| [03:15:16] | Thunder-: | wagnerrp, query the backend for what? the currently recording programs? |
| [03:15:25] | Twiggy2cents: | hmm that worked nichos |
| [03:15:29] | wagnerrp: | the tuner status |
| [03:15:41] | nichos: | twiggy – great. It took me forever to figure that out. I saw it on a wiki somewhere |
| [03:15:42] | wagnerrp: | or the recording status of a specific program |
| [03:15:49] | Thunder-: | wagnerrp, ok, ill give that a shot, thanks :) |
| [03:16:19] | nichos: | Is there any out of the box hardware solutions for a mythfront end? like a roku box, etc |
| [03:17:13] | Twiggy2cents: | oh nichos you just need to be very vague. I searched Illinois and found my city in the list |
| [03:17:22] | wagnerrp: | there are several commercial mythtv units that pop up and disappear |
| [03:17:53] | nichos: | Twiggy2cents – It's a bit fickle:) |
| [03:18:05] | nichos: | wagnerrp anything current/descent? |
| [03:18:14] | nichos: | i'm considering WD HD TV live |
| [03:18:15] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [03:18:27] | wagnerrp: | i build all my own units, so ive never bothered to research them |
| [03:18:45] | wagnerrp: | the WD HDTV is not a mythtv frontend |
| [03:18:51] | wagnerrp: | you can watch recordings over UPNP |
| [03:18:51] | nichos: | wagnerrp – full boxes? I'm looking for something real quick/flash based for the bedroom |
| [03:18:55] | wagnerrp: | but that doesnt mean its running mythtv |
| [03:19:03] | nichos: | ohhhh, correct, I should've clarified |
| [03:19:14] | nichos: | i'm looking for a box to play recordings from my backend |
| [03:19:27] | wagnerrp: | build a mini-itx system |
| [03:20:37] | nichos: | isn't that overkill for just playing videos? Plus, wouldn't it cost so much more (remote, etc) |
| [03:20:57] | nichos: | i was thinking of roku or similar, but couldn't find any support info on it |
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| [03:23:35] | nichos: | oh, or apple TV |
| [03:23:40] | nichos: | has wireless built in |
| [03:23:51] | nichos: | though knowing apple, it will only play itunes stuff |
| [03:23:52] | wagnerrp: | no, not an appletv |
| [03:24:14] | nichos: | lol |
| [03:24:23] | wagnerrp: | presumably youre using digital tuners |
| [03:24:31] | wagnerrp: | the appletv cannot play content from digital tuners |
| [03:24:45] | wagnerrp: | amusingly, the original appletv was more capable than the current |
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| [03:26:02] | nichos: | yes, I'm using digital tuners. |
| [03:26:08] | nichos: | hmmmm.... |
| [03:26:15] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners record to MPEG2 |
| [03:26:19] | wagnerrp: | the appletv cannot play MPEG2 |
| [03:26:55] | Beirdo2: | Apple-- |
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| [03:27:03] | wagnerrp: | were you to get an HDPVR, the appletv cannot handle content as intensive as the HDPVR outputs |
| [03:27:34] | nichos: | I guess im looking for a upnp media player (client) is the best way to describe it |
| [03:28:28] | ByteChang: | Wicked: Are you using a guide for your lirc_zilog install? Which one? |
| [03:28:34] | nichos: | something like this – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822219002 |
| [03:28:42] | nichos: | if it's UPNP, I should be good, correct? |
| [03:28:47] | Wicked: | ByteChang, ive tried everyone i could find |
| [03:29:00] | wagnerrp: | does it do UPNP? |
| [03:29:07] | Wicked: | this one seems to be the most upto date: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1598968&page=2 |
| [03:29:16] | Wicked: | but im not using ubuntu and following that howto it fails |
| [03:29:20] | ByteChang: | wicked: What kernel are u @ ? |
| [03:29:28] | nichos: | wagnerrp yes |
| [03:29:39] | Wicked: | right now 2.6.35...but im switching over to arch linux's testing branch |
| [03:29:43] | ByteChang: | hehe, I'm using Debian myself... struggling w/ possible the same issues... |
| [03:29:51] | Wicked: | which is using 2.6.36...which supposedly has better lirc support |
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| [03:30:05] | Wicked: | but im not too confident in it fixing this |
| [03:30:20] | Wicked: | its downloading the new kernel now |
| [03:30:28] | ByteChang: | I tried .36, but i had other issues with v4l i think.... |
| [03:30:43] | Twiggy2cents: | so does mythmovies really blow since its not included in the latest? |
| [03:30:54] | wagnerrp: | mythmovies doesnt work |
| [03:31:05] | wagnerrp: | our data provider became unreliable |
| [03:31:06] | ByteChang: | Kewl. good luck. Took me awhile just to find the pvr150 was replace with zilog.... |
| [03:31:07] | Twiggy2cents: | I can get a list of movies and theaters, but not times. Is that common? |
| [03:31:09] | Wicked: | ByteChang, damn...arch linux? |
| [03:31:40] | kormoc: | Wicked, you've been warned in the past many times about swearing... |
| [03:31:52] | Wicked: | i dont see any swears |
| [03:32:02] | kormoc: | damn counts as a swear |
| [03:32:17] | Twiggy2cents: | kormoc cussed! |
| [03:32:24] | Wicked: | it does? i see the locals here use worse words all the time |
| [03:32:26] | Twiggy2cents: | :) |
| [03:32:45] | kormoc: | you shouldn't |
| [03:32:45] | nichos: | thanks for your help tonight wag. |
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| [03:33:42] | Wicked: | im not trying to argue or be a jerk...but "daXm" is not really a swear word...and i do see the locals here use it..and much more vulgar words as well |
| [03:34:06] | kormoc: | if by locals you mean this channel, you don't, and it's against channel policy |
| [03:34:26] | Twiggy2cents: | wicked, if you couldnt say it in highschool then you cant say it here |
| [03:34:38] | Wicked: | yes. as in active users/maintainers here |
| [03:34:55] | kormoc: | point it out to me next time and I'll yell at them too |
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| [03:35:16] | ByteChang: | Enforcement to the Nth degree... |
| [03:35:29] | ByteChang: | heck even little school kids say that word... |
| [03:35:55] | [R]: | and that's what is wrong with society |
| [03:36:00] | ByteChang: | i'll have to be careful myselfin the future... |
| [03:36:34] | Wicked: | if you think that word is whats wrong with society...i dont recomend stepping outside into the real word |
| [03:36:36] | ByteChang: | no, a lot more wrong in society then what little kids say on the playground... |
| [03:36:38] | Wicked: | -_- |
| [03:36:50] | kormoc: | this is not a debate topic |
| [03:36:57] | ByteChang: | ahhh |
| [03:36:57] | Twiggy2cents: | general lack of morals is whats wrong with society |
| [03:37:06] | Twiggy2cents: | sorry for continuing the derail, I am done :) |
| [03:37:11] | Wicked: | also. grepping my logs.... [R] you said some bad words as well |
| [03:37:12] | Wicked: | -_- |
| [03:37:24] | [R]: | and than check the next line |
| [03:37:29] | [R]: | when beirdo gave me a talking to |
| [03:38:14] | Wicked: | anywho...we should drop it |
| [03:38:15] | Wicked: | :) |
| [03:38:25] | Wicked: | ok..installed the 2.6.36 kernel |
| [03:38:28] | NightMonkey: | Howdy. Is there a method to trigger a user job from the shell? |
| [03:38:32] | Wicked: | modprobe --list shows a zilog |
| [03:38:33] | Beirdo2: | Wicked: "someone else did it too" is no excuse |
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| [03:38:35] | Wicked: | could it be!? |
| [03:39:12] | ** ByteChang has his fingers cross for Wicked... ** | |
| [03:39:19] | NightMonkey: | "Beirdo2: The Revenge of the Trout" |
| [03:39:20] | ByteChang: | ed |
| [03:39:26] | Wicked: | Beirdo2, i know. i was not using it as an excuss. im just pointing out that i see regulars here use bad words without reprimand....if the rules are to be enforced...it should be enforced upon everyone. :) |
| [03:39:33] | Wicked: | let me try to load it... |
| [03:39:34] | NightMonkey: | ;) |
| [03:39:40] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: not really |
| [03:39:51] | Wicked: | omg |
| [03:39:55] | Wicked: | the new kernel worked! |
| [03:40:00] | Wicked: | lirc_zilog: Zilog/Hauppauge IR blaster firmware version 2.1.0 loaded |
| [03:40:00] | Beirdo2: | !trout |
| [03:40:00] | ** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo2 ** | |
| [03:40:01] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: I thought that might be the case. Thanks. |
| [03:40:03] | ByteChang: | seriously? Please msg Wicked!! |
| [03:40:16] | Wicked: | ? |
| [03:40:25] | ByteChang: | er, please msg me... |
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| [03:40:37] | Beirdo2: | Man the heat is too high on this bus |
| [03:40:52] | ByteChang: | I'm trying to get that module working for my HVR1600 .... |
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| [03:41:21] | Wicked: | ByteChang, all i did was enable the "testing" repo in arch linux....which installed kernel 2.6.36. |
| [03:41:29] | Wicked: | then rebooted and typed "modprob lirc_zilog" |
| [03:41:42] | ByteChang: | whoops... just about swore... lol |
| [03:41:53] | ByteChang: | ummm, do you use v4l? |
| [03:41:55] | robbiel: | So I tried to use the Screen setup wizards and my myth window is 2/3rds the size of my tv window when I save and go back to the main menu |
| [03:42:08] | Wicked: | ByteChang, yea. i think the pvr-150 does |
| [03:42:18] | Wicked: | i have not gotten any further then just loading the module |
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| [03:42:24] | Wicked: | still could have issues |
| [03:43:06] | ByteChang: | hmm, my card shows up in dmesg, and i can watch tv, but I can't get that $!@* lirc_zilog module to cooperate... |
| [03:43:10] | robbiel: | Now I can't make the window any bigger |
| [03:43:22] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [03:43:48] | ByteChang: | ok. maybe I'll restart from the beginning with .36.... At least I know it should load... |
| [03:44:08] | ByteChang: | or maybe it did, but said no device found.... Ah yeah, i think that was my prob.... |
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| [03:44:32] | ByteChang: | ok. well thanks for sharing the info. Was exactly what i was looking for!! :) |
| [03:44:52] | Wicked: | no prob. sorry i cant be of more assistance |
| [03:44:53] | Wicked: | :) |
| [03:45:16] | ByteChang: | I'll check out that thread you mentioned. Thanks! |
| [03:45:47] | Wicked: | i wish xchat could auto replace words on specific channels....so i could alias all bad words to something funny...like alias all bad words to "fluffy kittens" lol |
| [03:45:51] | Wicked: | or something random |
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| [03:46:08] | [R]: | Wicked: you can write a plugin to do taht |
| [03:46:21] | Wicked: | someone can..but i cannot |
| [03:46:35] | Wicked: | i dont know any of the languages xchat accepts for plugins |
| [03:46:43] | [R]: | well that sucks |
| [03:46:47] | Wicked: | not really |
| [03:47:01] | Wicked: | i mainly said that for a laugh lol |
| [03:47:07] | Beirdo2: | Learn em |
| [03:47:16] | Twiggy2cents: | just add it to your auto replace untill the fun wears off |
| [03:47:32] | Wicked: | also. i feel if the d word is banned... sucks should be too. i find them to be equally rude |
| [03:47:39] | Twiggy2cents: | change all swears to EXPLETIVE or something |
| [03:47:39] | Wicked: | just my 2 cents :) |
| [03:48:14] | Wicked: | lol |
| [03:48:22] | Beirdo2: | So follow your own suggestion |
| [03:49:50] | Beirdo2: | Change starts at home and all that. |
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| [03:51:37] | Beirdo2: | Ooh. GNR-Get in the Ring |
| [03:51:52] | Beirdo2: | Good bus riding music |
| [03:52:21] | ByteChang: | Wicked: You didn't have to patch anything? zilog.diff or anyting? |
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| [03:52:46] | Wicked: | nope. not with the 2.6.36 kernel |
| [03:53:01] | Wicked: | alot of changes happened in .36 regarding lirc |
| [03:54:08] | NightMonkey: | When searching through the Myth DB via mysql shell, "pager=less -niSFX" rocks. |
| [03:54:30] | ByteChang: | Wicked: hmmm, i installed it, but I did a make oldconfig to import my old changes.... |
| [03:54:34] | ** Beirdo2 listens to Axel being very channel unfriendly. ** | |
| [03:54:49] | ByteChang: | Wicked: Yours is just a fresh default install? |
| [03:55:09] | ByteChang: | ie: make menuconfig, etc... |
| [03:56:22] | Wicked: | im not sure |
| [03:56:26] | Wicked: | it came pre complied |
| [03:58:00] | Beirdo2: | Ahhh home sweet couch |
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| [03:58:59] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Wow, I thought you were using a bus metaphor for the channel, not that you were actually on a bus. ;) |
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| [04:02:08] | bedlore: | Is this the right channel to talk about nuvexport? |
| [04:02:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:03:37] | robbiel: | Is there anyway I can reset the screen position after using the screen setup wizards? |
| [04:04:40] | bedlore: | I've been working with Christian from debian-multimedia to try and get the nuvexport package working correctly but have been having trouble debugging a few things |
| [04:05:04] | bedlore: | specifically, height/width & nonoise options causing it to fail |
| [04:05:38] | robbiel: | There is no reset Screen Size menu option in the screen size wizards menu |
| [04:05:51] | Beirdo: | "nuvexport package"? |
| [04:05:59] | Beirdo: | you'll have to be a lot more specific :) |
| [04:06:31] | bedlore: | on the debian-multimedia.org repositories it has been made available as a deb package |
| [04:07:09] | Beirdo: | I assume you have pulled the latest version of nuvexport from SVN |
| [04:08:01] | NightMonkey: | bedlore: Forget talking about the debian package – debian supports that. But we may be able to help with the actual program usage. |
| [04:08:14] | NightMonkey: | bedlore: :) |
| [04:08:37] | Wicked: | been a while since i reinstalled myth...i want to install mythtv, restore the mythtv backup to mysql, rerun mythtv-setup...then it should be good? |
| [04:08:50] | Wicked: | ..ideally |
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| [04:09:09] | bedlore: | Beirdo: yes we have the latest version and ffmpeg 5. |
| [04:09:50] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg 5? huh? |
| [04:09:55] | bedlore: | we got it so that if we use just the default settings it works fine, but as soon as I introduce denoise or height/width specifications things go south |
| [04:10:00] | Beirdo: | last I heard, they were at 1.6 or something |
| [04:10:13] | Beirdo: | anyways, run it with --debug |
| [04:10:13] | wagnerrp: | last i heard they were at 0.6 or something |
| [04:10:23] | Beirdo: | 0.6, ah yeah. |
| [04:10:37] | Beirdo: | run nuvexport with --debug |
| [04:10:44] | wagnerrp: | dirty wiki vandals |
| [04:10:50] | wagnerrp: | do people still play runescape? |
| [04:10:51] | Beirdo: | get the output and pastebin, please |
| [04:10:56] | bedlore: | sorry debian'isms ffmpeg 5:0.6~svn20100726–0.1 |
| [04:10:58] | NightMonkey: | bedlore: dpaste the output, plz. |
| [04:11:20] | bedlore: | NightMonkey: pl |
| [04:11:24] | bedlore: | oops, ok. |
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| [04:12:23] | NightMonkey: | FYI: wgetpaste rocks for pasting output to various pastebins from the shell. |
| [04:12:30] | wagnerrp: | hehehe |
| [04:12:43] | wagnerrp: | 'the groin? really? why does one practice shooting people in the groin?' |
| [04:13:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | It's below center of mass... kind of probably more a side effect then intentional. |
| [04:13:43] | wagnerrp: | no... three shots |
| [04:13:51] | wagnerrp: | two center of mass, one right in the groin |
| [04:13:53] | wagnerrp: | it was intentional |
| [04:14:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you save a copy of that? I didn't save it locally before uploading it |
| [04:14:34] | wagnerrp: | copy of what? |
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| [04:14:42] | sphery: | the runescape thing I was writing |
| [04:14:45] | sphery: | ;) |
| [04:14:57] | wagnerrp: | dont tempt me, ill ban you too |
| [04:14:58] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [04:15:32] | bedlore: | nuvexport issue: http://dpaste.org/OXXY/ I combined snippets of both the height.width & denoise issues but can provide more detail on either if required of course |
| [04:15:58] | wagnerrp: | of course then i would probably get banned from this channel, once you eventually figured out how to do so |
| [04:17:04] | bedlore: | oddly I found with --debug I sometimes got no error output at all and at least got some feedback without the debug flag |
| [04:19:33] | bedlore: | NightMonkey: Beirdo: just making sure you noticed my dpaste above :) |
| [04:19:56] | Beirdo: | OK, give me a moment |
| [04:19:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, you'd probably be safe--I haven't really figured out the IRC thing :) |
| [04:21:12] | Beirdo: | bedlore: please put in a ticket on trac. This is yet another case of ffmpeg messing with command line options and will take more work to get it working. Or you can use an older ffmpeg :) |
| [04:23:03] | sphery: | Beirdo: are you going to figure out how to do a mythffm? :) |
| [04:23:06] | NightMonkey: | bedlore: The output has a link to ffmpeg's bugtracker: http://roundup.ffmpeg.org/issue1931 . |
| [04:23:19] | ** sphery thinks you have the Make-fu ** | |
| [04:24:09] | Beirdo: | sphery: perhaps. |
| [04:24:18] | Beirdo: | NightMonkey: that's irrelevant :) |
| [04:24:41] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: OK. |
| [04:24:45] | bedlore: | NightMonkey: yeh I put the note there to try and help Christian, I'm not a programmer |
| [04:25:20] | NightMonkey: | bedlore: badlore, mucking with the output... ;) |
| [04:25:25] | Beirdo: | bedlore: please put the bug on http://svn.mythtv.org/wiki/newticket, and include the output you have. I guess I have some rework to do |
| [04:26:11] | Wicked: | ugh. |
| [04:26:14] | Wicked: | more problems :| |
| [04:26:20] | Wicked: | irsend: hardware does not support sending |
| [04:26:47] | bedlore: | heh |
| [04:28:23] | bedlore: | Beirdo: thanks I will do. I've tried so many export methods and nuvexport is head and shoulders above the others so I'm really keen to make it work. That and I have 150+ Mister Makers that my 4 year old won't let me delete so I need to get them off and don't want to do it manually of course :) |
| [04:28:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:28:56] | wagnerrp: | bedlore: it doesnt help that most of the rest are written in bash |
| [04:29:08] | Beirdo: | well, ffmpeg is notorious for messing with their commandline options |
| [04:29:41] | bedlore: | yes, very annoying |
| [04:30:17] | bedlore: | and its not easy up or downgrade because of the dependencies of other packages |
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| [04:31:08] | Beirdo: | come on, gmail, stop being a pig |
| [04:32:41] | Beirdo: | waiting for mail.google.com... |
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| [04:39:03] | bedlore: | Beirdo: how do you approach things that I suspect are debian specific "querks", for example nuvexport not detecting the ffmpeg version correctly, should I report this as a bug also? |
| [04:40:11] | NightMonkey: | bedlore: Report that to Debian, if you want. You might check in #debian on OFTC. |
| [04:40:47] | Beirdo: | bedlore: include the version number that ffmpeg returns. I may ask for other details later on |
| [04:41:30] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg --version (to be more precise) |
| [04:42:20] | bedlore: | ok |
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| [04:43:21] | Beirdo: | actually, for me, ffmpeg with no arguments even shows the version info |
| [04:43:45] | bedlore: | yes me also |
| [04:43:48] | bedlore: | are you a debian user? |
| [04:43:52] | Beirdo: | no |
| [04:44:07] | Beirdo: | well, I am at work :) but not for myth stuff |
| [04:44:36] | bedlore: | cool, do you are certainly familiar with it |
| [04:44:50] | bedlore: | oops, do = so |
| [04:44:54] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [04:45:02] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: didnt you add something to remotely pull a snapshot from a frontend? |
| [04:45:02] | Beirdo: | and I use ubuntu server at home |
| [04:45:08] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [04:45:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:45:19] | Beirdo: | fixed it, more to the point |
| [04:45:22] | wagnerrp: | thats frontend, port 6547? |
| [04:45:36] | wagnerrp: | ah, there i found it |
| [04:45:41] | wagnerrp: | #8071 |
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| [04:46:07] | bedlore: | Beirdo: you want a seperate bug per ticket all rolled into one? |
| [04:46:39] | Beirdo: | just one should be OK |
| [04:46:44] | bedlore: | k |
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| [05:06:34] | bedlore: | Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9199 thanks |
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| [05:10:00] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [05:10:09] | wagnerrp: | anyone else confused as to how the Stargate spacesuits are one-size-fits-all? |
| [05:10:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:11:08] | [R]: | remember the jacket in back to the futuer 2? |
| [05:11:11] | [R]: | same technology |
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| [05:11:52] | bedlore: | anyone here use HDHomeruns ? |
| [05:12:25] | [R]: | no, i don't think anyone uses them |
| [05:12:34] | Beirdo: | !salmon [R] |
| [05:12:34] | ** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of [R] on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [05:12:36] | clever: | [R]: ive seen the same thing done with shoes, with real tech! |
| [05:12:38] | bedlore: | I'm the only one in the world! |
| [05:12:52] | Beirdo: | plenty of HDHR in use around here |
| [05:12:58] | clever: | [R]: http://hackaday.com/2010/07/05/power-laces-ta . . . -the-future/ |
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| [05:14:01] | bedlore: | last night I was watching live TV and myth wanted to record something so it asked me to end the session, what's with that? There were 3 other tuners it could of used |
| [05:14:02] | sphery: | clever: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38884033 |
| [05:14:28] | [R]: | bedlore: theres a setting about livetv and recordings and such |
| [05:14:33] | clever: | sphery: ok, so now its a battle to see who did it first:P |
| [05:14:37] | [R]: | bedlore: are you sure your rule was proper? |
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| [05:15:08] | bedlore: | [R]: I checked what it was recording and I hadn't specified any tuner |
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| [05:15:35] | sphery: | bedlore: MythTV always records everything using the best available input |
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| [05:15:44] | sphery: | therefore, you always get the best-quality recordings |
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| [05:16:05] | sphery: | if you want to avoid conflicts, you need to tell MythTV you want it to always use the last card for Live TV |
| [05:16:07] | bedlore: | sphery: how does it decide what is the best? |
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| [05:16:40] | sphery: | Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows: If enabled, live TV will choose a tuner card that is less likely to have scheduled recordings rather than the best card available. |
| [05:16:42] | bedlore: | I have 2 HRHR's all provide the same quality feed I would of thought |
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| [05:16:57] | bedlore: | sphery: ah ok, thanks |
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| [05:19:56] | sphery: | bedlore: basically, you want to connect inputs in the order they should be used for recordings (from most-preferred to least preferred). You want to define cards in the opposite order you want them used for Live TV--from least-preferred to most-preferred. Then enable, "Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows." |
| [05:20:23] | [R]: | that avoid conflicts thing totally screwed with me for months until i fugred out what it meant |
| [05:20:33] | sphery: | So, since all your cards/inputs are identical, the only thing of importance is to just enabled "Avoid conflicts..." |
| [05:20:37] | Beirdo: | sphery: we SO need to rework that :) |
| [05:20:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:20:48] | sphery: | I personally like it |
| [05:20:51] | [R]: | i love it |
| [05:20:53] | Beirdo: | confusing as heck for most users |
| [05:20:57] | [R]: | tuners 1 and 2 are multirec on my QAM card |
| [05:21:00] | sphery: | it allows complete control over the way things are used |
| [05:21:05] | [R]: | inputs 1 and 2* |
| [05:21:08] | sphery: | I do agree it's totally non-intuitive |
| [05:21:08] | [R]: | and input 3 is my hdpvr |
| [05:21:12] | [R]: | and livetv starts on hdpvr |
| [05:21:18] | sphery: | I would agree that reworking the UI for it would be useful |
| [05:21:23] | sphery: | and hiding the implementation details |
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| [05:21:35] | Beirdo: | aye :) |
| [05:21:39] | sphery: | but I think we should maintain the current backend design |
| [05:21:43] | Beirdo: | or make two lists... |
| [05:21:46] | sphery: | ah, then yeah |
| [05:21:52] | Beirdo: | order for recording. order for livetv |
| [05:21:59] | sphery: | yeah, exactly |
| [05:22:07] | sphery: | and users can select items, then move up/down |
| [05:22:07] | Beirdo: | let the user drag & drop into the desired order |
| [05:22:13] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:22:15] | sphery: | can't drag and drop with HTML |
| [05:22:19] | sphery: | this isn't Google Gears |
| [05:22:22] | sphery: | ;) |
| [05:22:23] | Beirdo: | sure you can |
| [05:22:32] | Beirdo: | it's called javascript and AJAX |
| [05:22:39] | sphery: | that's not HTML |
| [05:22:46] | sphery: | that's Web 2.0 |
| [05:22:50] | Beirdo: | AJAX uses HTML |
| [05:22:51] | sphery: | or maybe HTML 5 |
| [05:22:54] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:23:04] | sphery: | since HTML 5 is really just CSS and the <video> tag |
| [05:23:14] | Beirdo: | anyways, whatever |
| [05:23:14] | sphery: | at least that's what the journalists tell me |
| [05:23:20] | sphery: | sorry, I'm just playing |
| [05:23:21] | [R]: | you can drag and drop with jquery |
| [05:23:25] | Beirdo: | it's fine |
| [05:23:35] | Beirdo: | [R]: yes, we know |
| [05:23:44] | Beirdo: | anyways... :) |
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| [05:50:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp_: https://github.com/nickludlam/ruby-mythtv |
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| [05:51:46] | wagnerrp_: | new bindings? |
| [05:52:21] | wagnerrp_: | oof |
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| [05:52:56] | JohnQ: | I have a set-top-box (HD) and 2 DTA boxes (not HD). All of them get the same channels. Is there a way to tell mythtv that the DTA's are not HD capable so that if it has the option to record two shows at the same time, it should but the HD recording on the STB and the non-HD one on the DTA? |
| [05:53:15] | JohnQ: | s/but/put/ |
| [05:53:23] | wagnerrp: | your DTAs do /not/ get the same channels |
| [05:53:40] | wagnerrp: | the DTAs can not handle the normal encryption used by cable companies and the full STB |
| [05:53:47] | wagnerrp: | they only do a very basic privacy mode |
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| [05:54:03] | wagnerrp: | and are only intended to provide access to the former analog channels |
| [05:54:23] | JohnQ: | Then my myth is confused. It thinks it is recording things in HD on the DTAs |
| [05:54:34] | wagnerrp: | you should be using two separate sources for the two types of input |
| [05:54:39] | JohnQ: | I am. |
| [05:54:55] | wagnerrp: | then you have mapped the wrong xmltv ids to the source for the DTAs |
| [05:56:26] | JohnQ: | Hmm. I didn't enter those myself. They came that way from schedules direct, I think... |
| [05:56:47] | JohnQ: | I may need to re look at my channel table, I think.. |
| [05:56:56] | wagnerrp: | if you imported the lineup, then you blanked out the wrong channels |
| [05:57:23] | JohnQ: | Possible, I guess... hmm |
| [05:57:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive been looking at my 'pure python' implementation of mythproto, and this 'pure ruby' implementation |
| [05:58:04] | wagnerrp: | and im wondering if thats the wrong way to do things |
| [05:58:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what othe way? |
| [05:59:11] | wagnerrp: | i mentioned Cython yesterday |
| [05:59:26] | wagnerrp: | basically, you write python code, and it translates it into C code |
| [05:59:30] | sphery: | yeah, I thought you were talking about BSG... |
| [05:59:31] | sphery: | :) |
| [05:59:37] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [05:59:47] | wagnerrp: | which you then compile like normal, and can use it to access C libraries |
| [06:00:15] | sphery: | so you'd use cython to make calls to the existing mythtv lib code? |
| [06:00:29] | sphery: | but users would still write python code for scripts? |
| [06:00:31] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if the protocol client should be split off into a separate library, something standalone |
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| [06:00:51] | wagnerrp: | so that library could be compiled and installed independently |
| [06:01:04] | wagnerrp: | and allow access from various bindings, without needing the full mythtv install |
| [06:01:22] | sphery: | that would be nice |
| [06:01:39] | wagnerrp: | and the python bindings would then be using the native access, rather than some separate implementation that needs to be maintained |
| [06:01:43] | JohnQ: | tangentially related topic: If 712 is the HD version of 12 ... and there is a generic episode airing... is there a way to tell it not to bother recording both since they are the same show? |
| [06:01:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, sounds like a good plan |
| [06:02:16] | wagnerrp: | only problem is Cython is intended for C, not C++ |
| [06:02:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if the two would mesh |
| [06:02:37] | sphery: | JohnQ: if the content on 712 and 12 are identical at all times, then you can set the callsign to the same on both channels and it will only record one |
| [06:02:42] | clever: | wagnerrp: shouldnt there be a way to extend python directly from c/c++ code? |
| [06:02:58] | sphery: | JohnQ: otherwise--or if you don't want to use the same callsign--use a manual override to say, "don't record this showing" |
| [06:03:02] | sphery: | for one of them |
| [06:03:36] | wagnerrp: | clever: sure, you can write your own C/C++ python modules |
| [06:03:46] | JohnQ: | Hmm I see. So they would have the same callsign but different xmltvids? |
| [06:03:47] | wagnerrp: | but Cython is the 'easy' way to do that |
| [06:04:04] | clever: | sounds like jumping thru hoops |
| [06:04:31] | clever: | writing python code that gets translated into unreadable c that you then hack to make it use the myth c++ libs |
| [06:05:34] | wagnerrp: | the python code would access the C++ libs directly |
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| [06:05:38] | wagnerrp: | there would be no hacking |
| [06:05:43] | JohnQ: | sphery: I think that "same callsign" trick is what confused my channels actually. I think that's what is confusing it into thinking it can record HD on the DTA boxes. |
| [06:05:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you shoudln't have any problems accessing C++ libs from it |
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| [06:06:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that is... if it can access C++ libs |
| [06:06:21] | wagnerrp: | i presume im not the first person to want to do such |
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| [06:06:36] | sphery: | JohnQ: callsign is used to tell MythTV that 2 channels are the same channel--i.e. have identical content, and should be used interchangeably for scheduling |
| [06:07:03] | JohnQ: | Well in this case.. one is HD and the other is not. So.. they aren't 100% identical. |
| [06:07:21] | sphery: | JohnQ: content = listings content |
| [06:07:29] | sphery: | i.e. exact same programs aired at the exact same time |
| [06:07:33] | sphery: | format is irrelevant |
| [06:07:38] | sphery: | it's a scheduling thing |
| [06:08:19] | sphery: | if you /want/ to be able to distinguish between HDTV and non-HDTV channels with "this channel" rules, you use different callsigns--but you must also manually prevent recording duplicate generic episodes |
| [06:08:39] | JohnQ: | I see. |
| [06:08:48] | sphery: | if you want mythtv to treat them as the same channel, then use the same callsign |
| [06:09:20] | sphery: | but order your inputs appopriately to make sure MythTV records from the right inputs (to get the HDTV first, if that's what you want) |
| [06:09:29] | JohnQ: | Yeah. Seems like the middle of the road is what I want.. but that may not be possible. |
| [06:09:31] | sphery: | and it will see that the show on 12 is the same show as on 712 |
| [06:09:41] | JohnQ: | Yeah, the DTA boxes have a very low priority. |
| [06:09:50] | sphery: | I think the middle of the road is the "order your inputs appopriately" part |
| [06:10:13] | sphery: | oh, and note that input priorirty is not the right way to affect scheduler choice of inputs :) |
| [06:10:14] | JohnQ: | Ya, thats exactly how I have it set up now. |
| [06:10:16] | sphery: | it's ordering |
| [06:10:23] | JohnQ: | Oh? |
| [06:10:27] | JohnQ: | Where is that option? |
| [06:11:09] | JohnQ: | You mean the sourceid? ... oh god... renumbering that will be a huge pain.. |
| [06:11:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that would also have the added benefit of actually making things multithreaded |
| [06:11:33] | wagnerrp: | python cannot use independent threads, cython can |
| [06:11:40] | sphery: | JohnQ: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448023#448023 |
| [06:12:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, sounds like a good way of doing things |
| [06:12:17] | sphery: | and could fit nicely with the breaking-up of mythbackend |
| [06:12:19] | wagnerrp: | normal python has a 'global interpreter lock' |
| [06:12:21] | JohnQ: | So.. lower numbered sourceids are prefered? (Then I might be safe already..) |
| [06:12:34] | wagnerrp: | a global mutex that only allows one sequence of code to be run through the interpreter at a time |
| [06:12:35] | sphery: | cardinputid |
| [06:12:52] | sphery: | or, for live tv, cardid |
| [06:13:02] | JohnQ: | Got it. |
| [06:13:12] | wagnerrp: | well... thats something long term to look into |
| [06:13:21] | wagnerrp: | i wont be doing anything about that anytime soon |
| [06:13:26] | JohnQ: | Okay.. that's doable without too much pain. |
| [06:13:36] | JohnQ: | So... what's the priority for then? |
| [06:14:07] | sphery: | though livetv is backwards (higher number--and assuming you use "Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows" |
| [06:14:31] | sphery: | priority is so that people can break things and think that they're "fixing" things |
| [06:14:37] | JohnQ: | hahah |
| [06:14:42] | JohnQ: | Swell. |
| [06:14:44] | sphery: | details in http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html |
| [06:14:48] | sphery: | read the entire section |
| [06:14:51] | sphery: | then re-read it |
| [06:15:00] | sphery: | then read it one more time so that you actually understand it |
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| [06:15:25] | sphery: | then you'll realize that you only ever want to use prioirites on recording rules, that you always want all input and channel priorities set to 0 |
| [06:15:49] | sphery: | and that you need to order things as described above :) |
| [06:16:16] | sphery: | basically, it's a very complex scheduler, and it doesn't work the way people tend to think it works |
| [06:16:26] | JohnQ: | Sounds like it. |
| [06:17:24] | sphery: | and when you set a priority on a channel or an input, you're not telling it which channel or input you like best, but you're saying that you like shows that aire on that channel or input better than you like other shows that air on other channels/inputs (even other shows that have higher recording rule priorities) |
| [06:17:40] | sphery: | i.e. there's only one prioirity, and it says /what/ to record, not where to record it |
| [06:18:30] | JohnQ: | Got it. |
| [06:20:30] | sphery: | anyway, the generics will always be recorded, so you'll either have to tell MythTV the channels carry the same content (by assigning the same callsign to them) or do a manual override to prevent its recording one of the showings of the generic episode |
| [06:20:45] | sphery: | and sorry if all the rest was more than you were wanting :) |
| [06:22:02] | JohnQ: | Nope.. this is exactly what I needed to know :-) |
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| [06:41:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you think there is use in supporting multiple schema versions? |
| [06:41:22] | wagnerrp: | schema/protocol |
| [06:41:58] | wagnerrp: | ive been thinking of how to handle it, and at least with database auto-config im already doing |
| [06:42:12] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt be difficult to alter handling, and turn things on/off as needed |
| [06:43:09] | wagnerrp: | perhaps only support the release versions |
| [06:43:32] | sphery: | I'm not for it |
| [06:43:48] | sphery: | I don't like the idea of encouraging users to mix/match revisions of any part of MythTV |
| [06:43:55] | sphery: | (or versions for that matter) |
| [06:45:11] | nutron: | sphery: question |
| [06:46:15] | nutron: | when you say you never want to set chan priorities, in the case where you have timeshift channels where one is worse than the other (sometimes has silly weather reports and other such nuissances) why wouldn't you want to lower priority... |
| [06:46:23] | nutron: | well maybe I'll go read up on it :) |
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| [06:50:24] | wagnerrp: | i wonder what it would take to allow a mouse press over the frontend control socket |
| [06:55:49] | sphery: | nutron: for a case like that, you can use a negative priority on those channels, but in doing so, you're affecting scheduling of even shows on other channels |
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| [06:56:16] | nutron: | hmm I obviously don't understand why, but I'm reading .. :) |
| [06:56:17] | sphery: | basically, the short answer is, "read all of section 12 of the howto for a discussion of some of the consequences" |
| [06:56:20] | sphery: | :) |
| [06:56:47] | nutron: | :o |
| [07:01:49] | nutron: | lol mr bean |
| [07:02:12] | nutron: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4TCv71-YTQ |
| [07:02:24] | nutron: | good background music when reading about myth |
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| [07:11:02] | JohnQ: | Is there an easy trick to get it to rerun the scheduler? |
| [07:11:43] | wagnerrp: | you only need to rerun the scheduler if something has changes to necessitate rerunning it |
| [07:11:50] | wagnerrp: | at which point, mythtv will do it automatically |
| [07:12:05] | wagnerrp: | unless youre doing something bad like tinkering around in the database manually |
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| [07:13:38] | JohnQ: | yep |
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| [07:15:05] | wagnerrp: | that was a yes? you were manually tinkering? |
| [07:15:38] | JohnQ: | Yes |
| [07:16:11] | wagnerrp: | i think its available as a command line argument to mythbackend |
| [07:16:29] | JohnQ: | Thanks. I'll look into that. |
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| [07:23:06] | JohnQ: | Yay.. I think I have all my channels de-munged. |
| [07:23:08] | JohnQ: | :-) |
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| [07:27:29] | sphery: | assuming you didn't break anything by directly editing DB data |
| [07:29:02] | JohnQ: | Seems fine. But we'll see. |
| [07:29:04] | sphery: | FWIW, if all you were changing was callsigns, then mythweb channel editor would likely have been the easiest approach |
| [07:29:29] | JohnQ: | To programatically change 400+ channel entries? You kiddind? |
| [07:29:37] | JohnQ: | kidding? |
| [07:30:37] | JohnQ: | Gotta run. Thanks for the help! |
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| [07:48:18] | wagnerrp: | bah, thats why maildrop hasnt been logging |
| [07:48:25] | wagnerrp: | i was using 'logname' instead of 'logfile' |
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| [12:31:25] | flexy: | I'm about to make a bug report on livetv failing with error message "Error opening jump program file buffer". What verbose options to FE and BE should I have to have more necessary information on logs? |
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| [12:50:03] | btwe: | flexy: let me know if you figured out how to raise loglevel for BE and/or FE |
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| [13:31:37] | flexy: | btwe: mythbackend -v help |
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| [13:44:02] | btwe: | flexy: thx |
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| [13:47:03] | btwe: | When running 0.24 (latest rev from svn) no EIT data is crawled. My setup looks good (same config as in previous versions). The system was idle the whole night, but no program info has been downloaded and added to the db. Is there a known issue about that? |
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| [14:08:47] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – does anyone know if there is a way to query the db to find out how many commercial breaks a particular recording has? |
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| [14:28:34] | dmz: | yeah wednesday! |
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| [14:45:52] | ThisNewGuy: | if anyone is interested this seems to do it: select m.starttime, p.title, p.subtitle, count(*) from recordedmarkup m, recorded p where m.chanid = p.chanid and m.starttime = p.starttime and m.type = 4 group by m.chanid, m.starttime order by m.starttime desc limit 20; |
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| [15:13:26] | wagnerrp: | ThisNewGuy: mythcommflag will dump the skiplist with the proper command line argument |
| [15:13:38] | wagnerrp: | no need to go digging in the database |
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| [16:25:54] | wagnerrp: | the FDA is planning on releasing a new, large graphic warning label on cigarette boxes |
| [16:26:00] | wagnerrp: | why are we spending money on this? |
| [16:26:16] | wagnerrp: | is there actually /anyone/ who doesnt know smoking is bad for your health? |
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| [16:41:49] | bjd: | what do you have atm? |
| [16:41:54] | bjd: | written warnings? |
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| [16:54:18] | wagnerrp: | bjd: yeah, just an outlined box with a 'surgeon generals warning' |
| [16:54:27] | wagnerrp: | the replacement is supposed to be some large full color sticker |
| [16:54:45] | wagnerrp: | and likely cost tens of millions to design |
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| [17:10:05] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: wrong channel, see topic. You likely want #cancersticks |
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| [17:13:23] | Timrit: | good day. is there a way to re-order the main menu icons on my frontend? i would like it to default to 'watch live tv'. thanks for your help. |
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| [17:13:47] | wagnerrp: | Timrit: you need to write your own menu theme |
| [17:14:04] | wagnerrp: | its basically just a single XML file that creates the menu layout |
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| [17:16:37] | wagnerrp: | so it begins |
| [17:17:07] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: any idea what the name of the file is/should be and where info on creating one would be located? i am a novice at all of this tbh. |
| [17:17:55] | wagnerrp: | Timrit: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_development_guide |
| [17:18:12] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: thank you very much. i will have a look |
| [17:18:51] | Twiggy|worx: | From what I remember, most people despise mythweb, but is there an alternative to setting recording schedules over the web? |
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| [17:19:13] | Twiggy|worx: | I really would like to be able to do remote access purely to set schedules |
| [17:19:13] | ** skd5aner fires up an SSH terminal and launches SVN... Hurray! ** | |
| [17:19:19] | iamlindoro: | You remember incorrectly, mythweb is much loved |
| [17:19:50] | Twiggy|worx: | really? Last time i had issues( a while ago) I was being told that it was horrible and messed up the db and such. |
| [17:19:51] | skd5aner: | Twiggy|worx: yea, mythweb received a TON of updates in 0.24 |
| [17:20:01] | Twiggy|worx: | I have 0.23.1 |
| [17:20:17] | skd5aner: | well, 0.24 is being released... as in, right now, this very second |
| [17:20:23] | skd5aner: | so, you're not really behind |
| [17:20:32] | Twiggy|worx: | hey iamlindoro I was told to ask you about why my background is corrupted on arclight :-P |
| [17:20:51] | skd5aner: | dem's fightin' words |
| [17:20:57] | iamlindoro: | No, you were directed at me so that I would set you on fire |
| [17:20:58] | Twiggy|worx: | ohh okay so then mythweb should be the choice then? |
| [17:21:02] | Twiggy|worx: | :) |
| [17:21:32] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: no, mythweb only is broken for mythvideo stuff |
| [17:21:52] | Twiggy|worx: | I do like the theme, The background looks very odd at boot since it shows the whole background while loading the rest. But once started it looks okay :) |
| [17:22:07] | iamlindoro: | No care |
| [17:22:12] | iamlindoro: | I like the background |
| [17:22:21] | iamlindoro: | everyone else can take a walk |
| [17:22:26] | Twiggy|worx: | Just wondering, what was the background? |
| [17:22:33] | iamlindoro: | "was"? |
| [17:22:38] | Twiggy|worx: | Something made in a paint program and zoomed in? |
| [17:22:49] | iamlindoro: | No. |
| [17:22:50] | Twiggy|worx: | I mean was it made pixelated or zoomed on on a design? |
| [17:23:07] | iamlindoro: | It is not zoomed, it was designed exactly as it is |
| [17:23:14] | Twiggy|worx: | ohh gotcha |
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| [17:23:59] | Twiggy|worx: | Hmm now I need to figure out why mythweb is broken. The update from .23 to .23.1 broke it :( |
| [17:23:59] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: should the wiki be updated now? or wait until osuosl gets the mirrors set up? |
| [17:24:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I'll need to make the tarballs, gotta get one work task done first then will get on that |
| [17:24:55] | iamlindoro: | Then the tarballs should automatically sync later this afternoon |
| [17:25:21] | Twiggy|worx: | just wondering, will this be a simple update of mythtv to upgrade? |
| [17:25:34] | Twiggy|worx: | I mean after enabling the repo of course |
| [17:25:58] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I just update the release notes to include the r# of the tag and the date, hope you don't mind |
| [17:26:07] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: also, updated the currentrelease tag – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:CurrentRelease |
| [17:26:15] | skd5aner: | revert if you prefer to wait a little longer |
| [17:26:55] | iamlindoro: | It'll all come out in the wash |
| [17:26:59] | iamlindoro: | feel free to update anything you like |
| [17:27:11] | iamlindoro: | If one or two things lag, so be it-- the fact is it's there in SVN for the taking |
| [17:27:54] | skd5aner: | cool, thanks iamlindoro |
| [17:28:23] | skd5aner: | also, I noticed that the current release is manually entered on the frontpage, whoever updates that is welcome to use the template {{CurrentRelease}} if they chose to do so |
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| [17:28:43] | skd5aner: | off to upgrade! :D |
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| [17:34:16] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, would http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:CurrentRelease be a better place to grab current release than the main page? |
| [17:34:54] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: It's designed so that people can use that template and that way it only has to be updated in one place for it to update everywhere |
| [17:35:37] | tgm4883: | ok, downstream we have something that grabs that from the main page during build time, I'll get it changed then |
| [17:35:40] | skd5aner: | We use it on the release notes page, for example, so that if you're looking at any given version of release notes, you can always know what the current release is and link directly to it |
| [17:36:39] | skd5aner: | np |
| [17:39:42] | skd5aner: | hmmm, "--enable-proc-opt" is no longer in the list of ./configure --help, but it still works |
| [17:40:16] | Beirdo2: | Heh. Oops :) |
| [17:40:16] | Twiggy|worx: | quick unrelated question, I am using a virgin mobile mifi bridged to a linksys running ddwrt, I am pretty much screwed for having my setup automatically update a dynamic dns server my ip arnt I? The wan on my router is the lan on the MiFi. |
| [17:41:01] | tgm4883: | Twiggy|worx, I think you have some options |
| [17:41:28] | tgm4883: | there has to be some program out there that queries a website for that info |
| [17:43:06] | skd5aner: | All of the old libs need to be removed, correct? I did a "make uninstall", but I'm still seeing these: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1987395 |
| [17:43:12] | Twiggy|worx: | if not I suppose a script could be use or something |
| [17:43:31] | Twiggy|worx: | its not as easy as using dd-wrts integrated feature |
| [17:45:12] | tgm4883: | Twiggy|worx, looks like ddclient might work. Seems to use the web to check your IP https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS#ddclient |
| [17:45:22] | tgm4883: | not sure what distro you use, but that has some info on it |
| [17:45:29] | Twiggy|worx: | I will check |
| [17:45:38] | tgm4883: | Twiggy|worx, have you tried the integrated ddwrt stuff? |
| [17:46:14] | tgm4883: | cause ddclient seems to use checkip.dyndns.com to get the IP |
| [17:46:24] | skd5aner: | !url logs |
| [17:46:24] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [17:46:28] | tgm4883: | so it might be somethign ddwrt does too |
| [17:46:29] | Twiggy|worx: | I dont think the ddwrt stuff would work. I just assumed that it took the routers wan ip and sent it to my service of choice. Since the router is connected via wifi to the MiFi, the wan shows the MiFi's Lan IP |
| [17:46:42] | Twiggy|worx: | I will check that too |
| [17:46:46] | tgm4883: | Twiggy|worx, it might, but it might query dyndns for it |
| [17:47:43] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: What is your last name? |
| [17:47:50] | iamlindoro: | feel free to PM |
| [17:48:41] | tgm4883: | and your bank account info ;) |
| [17:48:49] | wagnerrp: | presumably this is going to go into the contributions in the tarball |
| [17:48:59] | wagnerrp: | so im not sure what purpose doing it over PM would be |
| [17:49:28] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, makes a good point |
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| [17:52:17] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: you want to inherit my debt? Sure... Account number is... |
| [17:52:22] | skd5aner: | all yours now, thanks buddy! |
| [17:52:28] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, the avsync is a per-host offset that's applied to all playback |
| [17:52:33] | sphery: | so, semi-global? |
| [17:52:44] | skd5aner: | yea, good deal |
| [17:52:48] | wagnerrp: | bank accounts dont have debt |
| [17:52:50] | sphery: | yeah, good compromise |
| [17:53:02] | wagnerrp: | unless youve got one that allows overdraw |
| [17:53:12] | sphery: | won't be in 0.24, though (and don't think anyone plans to backport to 0.24-fixes) |
| [17:53:26] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, I already added it to the 0.25 release notes |
| [17:54:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, and if you do, they are probably now charging a fee for the overdraft, the credit card to which the overdraft protection is linked probably charges a fee, and they start charging interest immediately |
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| [17:54:37] | skd5aner: | sphery: I was asking because it came up about 2 weeks ago – a user begging for that feature, and a small debate over if such a feature was warrented – I knew at the time stewartm talked about considering it, but looks like markk beat him to the punch :) |
| [17:54:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i get charged like $30/day for overdrafting |
| [17:55:02] | skd5aner: | actually, all that just changed in the regulation about 2 months ago |
| [17:55:37] | skd5aner: | they are not able to allow you to overdraft when using a debit card or credit card UNLESS you explicitely opt in – they now how to decline it |
| [17:55:55] | sphery: | yeah, I always had a free protection--it just kicked over to my credit card (that was issued through the same bank), so I would have only had to pay interest on the "cash advance". However, thanks to, er, meddling, the banks have completely changed the way they're doing things |
| [17:56:01] | skd5aner: | you can still overdraft if you are writing physical checks, so long as they aren't instant EBT |
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| [17:56:53] | skd5aner: | and you can still overdraft if you tell your bank you want to allow that (so transactions won't get declined) |
| [17:57:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, my bank just rapes me, fast and hard |
| [17:57:10] | tgm4883: | paper checks, meh |
| [17:57:28] | skd5aner: | People who write paper checks to pay for something in retail stores are dead to me |
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| [17:58:14] | Twiggy|worx: | stupid driver services needs to get with the times and not charge extra for credit/debit |
| [17:58:31] | sphery: | skd5aner: it's amazing how often you must see dead people at supermarkets |
| [17:58:50] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy|worx: why? it costs them to accept that credit/debit |
| [17:58:57] | wagnerrp: | on the order of a couple percent of the transaction |
| [17:59:14] | kormoc: | sphery, it's like he's Bruce Willis |
| [17:59:16] | wagnerrp: | some companies decide to eat the cost as a convenience to their customers |
| [17:59:30] | wagnerrp: | others dont, and pass it on to their customers |
| [17:59:35] | kormoc: | %s/eat/mark up everything so no one notices/g |
| [17:59:44] | pheld: | anyone been able to run mythbackend on kernel 2.6.37-rc1 or 2.6.33-29-realtime? |
| [17:59:50] | kormoc: | which is why most places still give cash discounts on big purchase items |
| [18:00:12] | kormoc: | They'll give you 2% off for paying in cash rather then pay the Credit Card companies 4% |
| [18:00:31] | skd5aner: | It's usually 1.5%-3%, but still |
| [18:00:44] | sphery: | yeah, just wait until some idiot sponsors HR4646 |
| [18:01:01] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [18:01:09] | kormoc: | I just need to figure out why I spend all my money every month |
| [18:01:13] | sphery: | their numbers are off by at least 6 orders of magnitude |
| [18:01:24] | kormoc: | It's like I turned blue blooded american a few months ago |
| [18:02:17] | sphery: | http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill . . . ;tab=summary ... 1% tax on all transactions that use a payment instrument, including any check, cash, credit card, transfer of stock, bonds, or other financial instrument |
| [18:03:05] | kormoc: | wait |
| [18:03:14] | kormoc: | so it's a 1% currency usage tax? |
| [18:03:21] | sphery: | Chaka Fattah said something about $775T in value of transactions in 1998, with some $300T in exempt transactions (stock purchases) |
| [18:03:58] | skd5aner: | Well, I prefer the fair tax system, but hey... not sure I want to get into the politics of it all hre |
| [18:04:00] | skd5aner: | here |
| [18:04:47] | sphery: | however, according to http://gbr.pepperdine.edu/074/bank.html , in 1995, bank /non-card/ transactions (ACH, check, wire) totalled 89T (in number) and $937 quadrillion. |
| [18:04:58] | kormoc: | fair tax? I didn't know there was such a thing |
| [18:05:02] | sphery: | take 1% of $937 quadrillion and you have more than the US GDP? |
| [18:05:17] | sphery: | I don't know what they're talking about with the numbers in the bill |
| [18:05:48] | skd5aner: | kormoc: that's litterally the name of the proposal (HR 25) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax |
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| [18:06:15] | kormoc: | ooh, it's just a standard regressive tax |
| [18:06:16] | skd5aner: | I doubt it'll ever pass, but it basically abolishes the IRS (no more income tax) and instantiates a consumption tax in it's place |
| [18:06:25] | skd5aner: | kormoc: nope |
| [18:06:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: how much of that is internal accounting? |
| [18:06:46] | kormoc: | skd5aner, yes, "regressive on income at higher income levels (as consumption falls as a percentage of income).[7][8]" |
| [18:07:03] | wagnerrp: | companies shuffling funds around between various fully owned subsidiaries to play games with tax law |
| [18:07:06] | skd5aner: | kormoc: my bad, misunderstood you |
| [18:07:10] | kormoc: | skd5aner, it's why Washington State's tax is regressive |
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| [18:08:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no clue--but you have to love how they say that a 1% tax credit would offset the tax for those who make less than $250K... You pay 1% on every financial transaction (paycheck to bank: 1%, purchase at newegg: 1%, pay credit card for purchase at newegg: 1%, ...). How in the world does a 1% tax credit offset that? |
| [18:08:46] | kormoc: | I'd assume the paycheck to bank 1% would be paid by the company? |
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| [18:08:58] | sphery: | ummm... |
| [18:08:59] | sphery: | sure? |
| [18:09:03] | kormoc: | and they're trying to get you to stop using the credit card |
| [18:09:08] | sphery: | what difference does it make--either way, it's costing you |
| [18:09:13] | kormoc: | well, it's not to you |
| [18:09:14] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: it would be paid on both ends |
| [18:09:16] | skd5aner: | kormoc: but I think it's a bit more than just a regresive tax right, it's based on consumption – so in terms of super rich people not getting taxed on every dollar they make, the at least get charged on every dollar they spend |
| [18:09:22] | sphery: | one way, it costs you directly--the other way it costs you your next pay raise |
| [18:09:22] | skd5aner: | and rich people tend to spend a lot of money |
| [18:09:31] | kormoc: | skd5aner, well, that's the problem, they don't |
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| [18:09:52] | kormoc: | skd5aner, which is why we were trying to have income tax in WA, because bill gates has billions of dollars he'll never spend |
| [18:10:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, it did almost sound like it would be paid on both ends, but I'm assuming that's so blatantly stupid it couldn't be |
| [18:10:13] | kormoc: | skd5aner, his effective tax rate is 0% |
| [18:10:29] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: capital gains whenever he cashes in his shares |
| [18:10:43] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Federally, not via the state |
| [18:10:52] | Chat2680: | hey hows it going ) |
| [18:10:56] | wagnerrp: | i really wonder what would happen with a straight flat tax |
| [18:11:21] | wagnerrp: | no progressive, no regressive, no writeoffs, no loopholes, no anything |
| [18:11:28] | wagnerrp: | you pay X%, period |
| [18:11:30] | Chat2680: | im bored |
| [18:11:34] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: still TONS of loopholes |
| [18:11:45] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: flat tax still indicates that people have to PAY their taxes |
| [18:11:57] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: no, the entirety of the tax code would fit in a single paragraph |
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| [18:12:14] | skd5aner: | but people would still have to file and pay... |
| [18:12:16] | wagnerrp: | just imagine the cost cutting you could do at the IRS |
| [18:12:26] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, well, there's a pile of legal stuff on when you owe it |
| [18:12:46] | kormoc: | if I give my brother $5, does he owe taxes on it? |
| [18:12:50] | kormoc: | What if it's for goods? |
| [18:13:28] | skd5aner: | well, with fairtax, there would be no IRS |
| [18:13:32] | skd5aner: | bye bye :) |
| [18:14:27] | skd5aner: | you buy something, you pay your tax... doesn't matter if you're a citizen, illegal worker, etc... you buy it, you paid your tax |
| [18:14:30] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: did Beirdo just suggest you were going to be hit by a bus? |
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| [18:14:52] | iamlindoro: | "And there was much rejoicing" |
| [18:15:02] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: illegal workers get paid under the table, whos to say they wont buy under the table |
| [18:15:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: sure... you can have black markets for some things... |
| [18:15:38] | kormoc: | skd5aner, meh, it's regressive which makes in unusable without a pile of exceptions for the poor and you'll need the IRS to handle those exceptions |
| [18:15:40] | skd5aner: | but do you think they don't go to walmart or the grocery or by gass, etc |
| [18:15:54] | skd5aner: | kormoc: there's a "prebate" |
| [18:16:03] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: no no no :) that's not what I meant :) |
| [18:16:21] | Beirdo: | we need to be prepared should such an unfortunate accident happen, etc |
| [18:16:31] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you stay away from busses :) |
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| [18:17:00] | kormoc: | skd5aner, yeah, well, you need someone to manage that, the IRS isn't gonna go anywhere, just perhaps change names with that bill |
| [18:17:01] | skd5aner: | Hey, don't get me wrong – there's no perfect tax system... I'm not a huge perponent of anything, I just like the FairTax system more than any of the alternatives (other than no taxes) |
| [18:17:14] | wagnerrp: | "rogue bus driver mows down 30 runners during thanksgiving day marathon" |
| [18:17:15] | skd5aner: | lesser evil |
| [18:19:03] | kormoc: | let's put a chip in everyone's forehead and use that to track their taxes! |
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| [18:22:55] | skd5aner: | Maybe we could get MythTax to do our 1040's for us ;) |
| [18:25:01] | skd5aner: | so... I was hoping someone might be able to tell me if this is normal... |
| [18:25:30] | skd5aner: | after a make uninstall, from source, should any libraries be remaining in /usr/local/lib? |
| [18:25:47] | skd5aner: | I've got these still stting out there – http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1987395 |
| [18:26:21] | kormoc: | you updated without make uninstall from a previous version? |
| [18:26:31] | kormoc: | make uninstall only knows about it's files, not previous releases |
| [18:26:37] | skd5aner: | nope... same version |
| [18:27:11] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [18:27:12] | skd5aner: | Always keep the source around for what's installed |
| [18:27:28] | kormoc: | we could have broken it during the qmake -> make change |
| [18:27:33] | skd5aner: | I mean, I can manually go and remove them – just wondering if the make uninstall should have taken care of it? |
| [18:27:35] | kormoc: | I never use it, so.... |
| [18:27:41] | kormoc: | it should have, aye |
| [18:28:07] | CyberKnet: | now to push for the make -> sln revolution. :P" |
| [18:28:09] | kormoc: | why aren't you using a build system to manage that for you? |
| [18:28:13] | skd5aner: | luckily, I knew to check for them :) |
| [18:28:35] | skd5aner: | kormoc: history I guess... been using Mythtv since early 2004 and always have compiled it myself |
| [18:28:39] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, Suny Learning Network |
| [18:28:58] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: Whatever floats your boat... :) |
| [18:29:00] | kormoc: | skd5aner, plenty of us compile it for ourselves, we just use build systems to track files |
| [18:29:00] | skd5aner: | kormoc: just a bit more flexible that way I suppose – and I've not really had much experience building packages :) |
| [18:29:06] | wagnerrp: | anyone have mytharchive installed? |
| [18:29:13] | skd5aner: | I suppose I could go out and learn real fast :) |
| [18:29:19] | kormoc: | skd5aner, the package stuff is sitting in svn, it's really simple |
| [18:29:24] | skd5aner: | kormoc: what OS do you run on? |
| [18:29:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's pretty simple to accomodate the poor. just have a simple per worker deduction. make everyone use the ez form... |
| [18:29:34] | kormoc: | skd5aner, I'm Gentoo |
| [18:29:35] | skd5aner: | I mean, distro |
| [18:30:02] | skd5aner: | gotcha – I'll take a look then, where in SVN is it if you odn't mind pointing me in the right direction? |
| [18:30:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...this tax talk has reminded me of my tea. |
| [18:30:42] | CyberKnet: | I was just considering what to drink ... Tea sounds great! |
| [18:30:57] | kormoc: | skd5aner, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/packaging |
| [18:31:04] | kormoc: | unless you're on Gentoo |
| [18:31:52] | skd5aner: | kormoc: ubuntu |
| [18:32:06] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [18:32:19] | kormoc: | why is the deb directory empty... |
| [18:32:20] | skd5aner: | doesn't look like there's anything there except for RPM management |
| [18:33:43] | dustybin: | can changing my hostname mess up mythtv |
| [18:33:50] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:33:53] | dustybin: | eeeek |
| [18:34:02] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: same with all the frontends on my network as well? |
| [18:34:28] | wagnerrp: | all settings, recordings, files, ... everything is indexed off the hostname |
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| [18:35:44] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: dam |
| [18:35:50] | dustybin: | i need to change hostnames on all my boxes |
| [18:35:57] | CyberKnet: | dustybin: fun times ahread. |
| [18:36:12] | dustybin: | i might as well install .24 fresh |
| [18:36:33] | wagnerrp: | might as well use the backup/restore script to change the hostnames in your database |
| [18:36:48] | dustybin: | ace :D |
| [18:37:05] | dustybin: | my network uses too many stupid hostnames like frontend. joggler. |
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| [18:39:50] | sphery: | ah, yay, "Here's a compromise." "But, can't we do it /my/ way, instead? That's a better compromise." |
| [18:39:53] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4262#comment:13 |
| [18:41:30] | wagnerrp: | per frontend is a viable issue, if you are running independent video and sound with a tv that has a heavy delay |
| [18:41:46] | sphery: | right, and that's what we have now |
| [18:41:52] | wagnerrp: | but per source is a tuner bug, per channel is a broadcaster or ffmpeg bug |
| [18:41:54] | sphery: | he wants per-input source |
| [18:41:58] | sphery: | which is not per host |
| [18:42:05] | sphery: | yeah, agreed |
| [18:42:16] | wagnerrp: | you planning on writing a response? |
| [18:42:20] | wagnerrp: | otherwise i will |
| [18:42:23] | wagnerrp: | (and lock it) |
| [18:42:25] | sphery: | or per-channel/per-input is the wrong solution to a desired per-codec fix |
| [18:42:31] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm currently typing one up |
| [18:46:02] | Beirdo: | tuner bug or broadcaster bug, we still should be able to adjust playback, just like we can for hue, etc (or used to be able to) per channel, no? |
| [18:46:09] | sphery: | we can |
| [18:46:17] | sphery: | it's just that as of now, it will actually remember that adjustment |
| [18:46:22] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [18:46:23] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:46:27] | Beirdo: | perfect :) |
| [18:46:40] | sphery: | so when you start the next video--if it's just equipment offsets--everything works |
| [18:46:51] | Beirdo: | right |
| [18:47:05] | sphery: | if it's codec or video encoding issues, it's your responsibility to handle it on a per-video basis |
| [18:47:22] | Beirdo: | ummm, that's sub-optimal, really |
| [18:47:36] | sphery: | well, what should we do |
| [18:47:45] | sphery: | have a per-host setting for offset for each codec? |
| [18:47:53] | Beirdo: | not that I have any avsync issues that are bad, but if one channel is always bad, having to adjust everytime I watch something from that channel would be sucky |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | (as a user) |
| [18:48:03] | sphery: | one channel isn't always bad |
| [18:48:13] | Beirdo: | it's possible that one is |
| [18:48:20] | Beirdo: | broadcasters screw up too |
| [18:48:29] | sphery: | when you play it on different hosts connected with different audio, there's likely differences |
| [18:48:35] | sphery: | I give up |
| [18:48:37] | Beirdo: | it may be their fault, but I'd still want to watch it sanely :0 |
| [18:48:38] | sphery: | I'm not replyign |
| [18:48:47] | sphery: | let's just add a million new settings |
| [18:48:52] | sphery: | that will be used by 1 person each |
| [18:48:55] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think what we have now is a good basis |
| [18:49:05] | sphery: | and only because they're not fixing the actual problem but working around it as they understand it |
| [18:49:28] | Beirdo: | sometimes we may not be able to fix the actual problem. |
| [18:49:44] | Beirdo: | but I understand... theere's no real way to cleanly do this |
| [18:49:57] | sphery: | xine and mplayer don't provide per-file or per-directory settings for remembering a/v offset |
| [18:50:06] | sphery: | you just hit, for example, n/m to ajdust it when you start up |
| [18:50:11] | Beirdo: | xine and mplayer aren't PVRs |
| [18:50:16] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:50:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
| [18:50:29] | sphery: | just like you hit TOGGLEAUDIOOFFSET (or whatever) to bring up the adjust and hit right/left to adjust in Mythtv |
| [18:50:35] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:50:42] | sphery: | I firmly believe that the "per channel" fix is only fixing it as a side-effect |
| [18:50:49] | Beirdo: | as I said, we have a pretty good basis now |
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| [18:51:09] | sphery: | i.e. one channel uses 5.1 AC-3 and another uses 2-channel AC-3 and another uses... and they adjust on that basis |
| [18:51:22] | Beirdo: | yeah, good point |
| [18:51:25] | sphery: | and it works only because the users who think it works only have one frontend |
| [18:51:28] | Beirdo: | or even, one show uses... |
| [18:51:31] | sphery: | right |
| [18:51:44] | Beirdo: | on the same channel, it could be several different offsets |
| [18:51:47] | Beirdo: | blech |
| [18:51:48] | sphery: | i.e. it /looks/ like it's fixing the problem, but it's not |
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| [18:52:02] | sphery: | yeah, and since many users only record one or two shows per channel... |
| [18:52:11] | Beirdo: | yeah, overall to compensate for video card vs audio card on output will have to do |
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| [18:52:48] | Beirdo: | be nice to have an option to not save the offset if you are adjusting only for one show |
| [18:52:54] | Beirdo: | if that makes sense |
| [18:53:19] | Beirdo: | your usual offset is X, but you adjusted to Y for this one playback, but you want the saved one to stay X |
| [18:53:21] | sphery: | I don't think it's worth the complexity for the UI |
| [18:53:32] | sphery: | that approach is the approach in #6581 |
| [18:54:07] | sphery: | I think the /right/ fix is for the user to fix their setup so we don't have to work around it |
| [18:54:27] | Beirdo: | yeah, that would be painful, kinda... unless we have a separate key for temporary changes |
| [18:54:29] | sphery: | i.e. if you're sending digital audio to a receiver, also send the video through that receiver, and use the receiver to set up the offsets |
| [18:54:40] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:55:03] | sphery: | what we have, now, allows accounting for equipment delays |
| [18:55:15] | Beirdo: | for consistent equipment delay |
| [18:55:17] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:55:20] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:55:47] | Beirdo: | well, I guess it will do :) |
| [18:56:05] | kormoc: | "I have 75 switches, if I route my audio via a-b-b-a-a-a-a-b-a-a-a-b-a-a-b-b-b-b-b-a-b-a I need a 175 usec offset more then a-b-b-a-a-a-a-b-a-a-a-b-b-a-b-b-b-b-b-a-b-a, but only on channels that are %pi == 0" |
| [18:56:07] | Beirdo: | I have a few shows that are crappy, but that's the source, I think, and I just live with it |
| [18:56:25] | Beirdo: | I don't expect perfection from my playback :) |
| [18:56:30] | sphery: | yeah, if the source is broken, write to the broadcaster |
| [18:56:34] | sphery: | get them to fix their garbage :) |
| [18:56:49] | kormoc: | tv is overrated |
| [18:56:55] | sphery: | I don't have any A/V sync issues on any of my channels |
| [18:57:09] | kormoc: | I honestly wouldn't notice |
| [18:57:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:57:24] | kormoc: | there could be no video and it's doubtful I'd really notice |
| [18:57:38] | Beirdo: | you watch TV with your ears, primarily? |
| [18:57:42] | Beirdo: | I do that sometimes |
| [18:57:44] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:57:51] | kormoc: | cause the majority of the time I'm working |
| [18:57:55] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:57:56] | kormoc: | so my focus is on the work |
| [18:58:12] | Sp0tter: | will two Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250's work in the same master backend with no problems? |
| [18:58:28] | Beirdo: | oh look. lunch & learn time |
| [18:58:35] | Beirdo: | sigh :) |
| [18:58:44] | Beirdo: | shoulda brought my laptop in today |
| [18:59:16] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: they should, yes |
| [18:59:33] | Sp0tter: | neato, they have them on ebay without the remote (which isn't supported anyways) for $40 shipped |
| [18:59:36] | Sp0tter: | going to get a second one |
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| [19:00:29] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: if broadcasters screw up, theyre going to screw up just the same for all users on all devices |
| [19:00:39] | wagnerrp: | they /will/ fix it |
| [19:00:48] | Beirdo: | in theory :) |
| [19:00:58] | wagnerrp: | if it is not messed up on all devices, then it is a deficiency of our decoders |
| [19:01:03] | wagnerrp: | and the decoders should be fixed |
| [19:01:06] | Beirdo: | although, it's hard to tell if it's the broadcaster, or DirecTV, etc. |
| [19:01:14] | Beirdo: | right |
| [19:01:17] | Beirdo: | that too :) |
| [19:01:23] | Beirdo: | anyways, gotta go |
| [19:01:48] | wagnerrp: | using persistent offsets for that is just not the proper solution |
| [19:01:55] | wagnerrp: | its at best an ugly work around |
| [19:02:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, but it will make the whiny people happy. Be back later :) |
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| [19:05:06] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: you said you had a raid5 setup, what are the details of that? OS/drives/parity ? |
| [19:07:19] | wagnerrp: | assorted 750GBs, RAID6 (double parity), ARC-1230 |
| [19:07:35] | Sp0tter: | gracias |
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| [19:10:03] | HypNoMadic: | All my NBC recordings' preview images are distorted/pixelated, but the recordings seem to be fine, has anyone else seen this behavior? |
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| [19:15:19] | HypNoMadic: | looks like this --> http://imagebin.org/122675 |
| [19:15:28] | h21118: | Hi, I started some years ago setting up my mythtv box just with analog cable tv. Now I added DVB-T aome time ago and finally DVB-S. My only (little) problem right now is that whenever I start watching TV it show me always a channel from the analog input – I would like start directly with DVB-S (without removing the analog card ;)) – can me somebody help on this? |
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| [19:16:49] | sphery: | HypNoMadic: you need to upgrade... You have a version of MythTV that's creating broken seek tables for some recordings. |
| [19:17:06] | mothyti: | Hi |
| [19:17:49] | HypNoMadic: | sphery: thanks |
| [19:17:51] | mothyti: | I'm havin a real hard time getting mythbuntu to recognize my Hauppage HVR-1250 card |
| [19:18:03] | mothyti: | anyone here use this card that can give me some insight? |
| [19:18:09] | sphery: | h21118: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 do the capture card portion, then re-create capture cards in the opposite order you want them used by Live TV and re-connect inputs in the order you want them used by recordings, then make sure you set "Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled recordings" |
| [19:18:27] | sphery: | h21118: and don't set any input priorities at all |
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| [19:19:37] | h21118: | sphery: thanks – but whats up with the input priorities? I relay on them because I have some channel on 2 sources and use the lower qaulity ones as "backup" |
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| [19:22:23] | sphery: | h21118: if you do as I recommended, it will use the right inputs |
| [19:22:24] | Twiggy|worx: | anybody familiar with networking and dd-wrt software/bridging with another router? If so can I pm you, I have a question and the dd-wrt chan is very dead |
| [19:22:54] | sphery: | h21118: if you want to set priorities, read all of http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html and you'll find they dont' work like you think they work |
| [19:23:03] | sphery: | they tell MythTV /what/ to record, not where to record it |
| [19:23:49] | h21118: | sphere: ok, thanks I will consider that – but my system has grow over time, has the channels configured as i need them and everthings works quite well – somehow I'm afraid of that big changes .... |
| [19:24:07] | h21118: | sphere: oh, I understand! |
| [19:24:28] | CyberKnet: | bbl |
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| [19:24:34] | skd5aner: | kormoc: holy cow, the "recorded programs" menu is SOOOOOO fast now in mythweb, thank you! |
| [19:24:38] | sphery: | h21118: you won't lose channels if you do just the capture cards part of the http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [19:24:47] | ** kormoc tips his hat ** | |
| [19:24:53] | sphery: | it will just make MythTV use inputs in the right order for live tv and recordings |
| [19:25:02] | kormoc: | although, I forgot what I even did |
| [19:25:03] | sphery: | i.e. 0 down sides, and 2 minutes of effort |
| [19:25:27] | h21118: | great – so xmltvid, channels ordering and thier mapping to existing recordings will stay as they are? |
| [19:25:38] | h21118: | yeah :) |
| [19:25:51] | sphery: | h21118: yep, those are all part of the video source, not the capture card |
| [19:25:53] | sphery: | h21118: so do /not/ do the video sources portion of that post |
| [19:25:55] | sphery: | just the capture card part |
| [19:25:58] | skd5aner: | kormoc: I think it might have been some SQL-fu |
| [19:26:09] | sphery: | or ajax-fu? |
| [19:26:11] | skd5aner: | regardless, it's night and day different |
| [19:26:47] | sphery: | or maybe html-fu... On my 1400-recordings system, it's by far the rendering that's taking up the most time |
| [19:26:56] | sphery: | (still 0.23-fixes) |
| [19:27:00] | h21118: | ok thanks u very much – any i will do now a backup first :) |
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| [19:27:16] | sphery: | h21118: yeah, backup is definitely a good plan |
| [19:27:27] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore may be useful, too |
| [19:27:48] | ** skd5aner is up and running on 0.24, off to see if one 0.23 bug was resolved ** | |
| [19:28:19] | h21118: | thanks but backup and restore are the basics of a stable system – without it I would have come so far ;) |
| [19:28:30] | h21118: | would not ... |
| [19:28:40] | h21118: | :) |
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| [19:29:04] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [19:30:21] | h21118: | i even have do extra backups with singline line INSERT stmts to be able to diff easily the changes my actions caused ;) |
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| [19:37:30] | btwe: | Hi, what is 0.24 (svn rev 27154) supposed to be used in production? I encounter some problems after the upgrade. Most severe is that no EIT data is crawled |
| [19:37:43] | kormoc: | what is? |
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| [19:38:14] | btwe: | s/what// |
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| [19:39:19] | kormoc: | btwe, well, we're intending to release 0.24 in a few minutes, so yes, it should be stable |
| [19:40:41] | iamlindoro: | s/few minutes/negative minutes/ |
| [19:40:56] | iamlindoro: | EIT works just fine in .24 |
| [19:40:56] | btwe: | :) agree. well, then congrats! |
| [19:41:09] | iamlindoro: | Whatever it is is a local issue, we have numberous devs who use EIT exclusively |
| [19:41:46] | Azelphur: | a few minutes? :O |
| [19:41:58] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: s/few minutes/negative minutes/ |
| [19:42:08] | Azelphur: | negative minutes :O |
| [19:42:15] | btwe: | All was fine in .21 Where should I look deeper into, when problem with EIT come up? |
| [19:42:19] | iamlindoro: | has been out for 2.5 hours |
| [19:42:26] | Azelphur: | fun |
| [19:42:57] | iamlindoro: | btwe: If you upgraded .21 to .24, much might have changed, including EIT related settings, and if you also upgraded your distro at the same time, then all bets are off |
| [19:43:14] | Azelphur: | I asked a while back if I should upgrade from 0.23.1 with a house full of people depending on MythTV for everything and got told "Depends if you like family beatings" What's the prognosis now? |
| [19:43:49] | iamlindoro: | You were given that answer because until 2.5 hours ago, there was nothing to upgrade to |
| [19:44:06] | iamlindoro: | We cut a release because we feel it's better than anything before it |
| [19:44:10] | Azelphur: | what about RC1? |
| [19:44:18] | iamlindoro: | Release candidates are for testing |
| [19:44:25] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, not on mythtv.org yet? |
| [19:44:30] | iamlindoro: | They are an open invite for people to join us in the but squashing process |
| [19:44:36] | btwe: | iamlindoro: yes, I first tried to use the upgraded DB, but then I started with a fresh installation. No success |
| [19:44:42] | Sp0tter: | hehe butt squashing |
| [19:44:46] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: announcement is committed, I am waiting on OSUOSL to poke the rsync to ftp |
| [19:44:50] | iamlindoro: | s/but/bug/ |
| [19:44:50] | kormoc: | ahh, okay |
| [19:44:53] | Azelphur: | oh I see I'm confusing myself, I for some reason read november 1st as november 10th and thought that RC2 was just released |
| [19:44:58] | kormoc: | I was basing my few minutes on that |
| [19:44:59] | Azelphur: | hehe |
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| [19:46:34] | btwe: | sb can give me a hint, where to look at? |
| [19:46:47] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: btwe: If you upgraded .21 to .24, much might have changed, including EIT related settings, and if you also upgraded your distro at the same time, then all bets are off |
| [19:47:12] | iamlindoro: | If you ONLY upgraded Myth, and not a single other thing, then you can remove and re-add your capture cards, channels, sources, etc. |
| [19:47:33] | iamlindoro: | if you upgraded your distro to a newer kernel, etc., then it's very difficult to tell you where to begin, but you can still at least try the above |
| [19:47:50] | iamlindoro: | The only thing that is for sure is that both passive and active EIT scans works perfectly fine in .24 |
| [19:49:03] | btwe: | Understood so far. I upgraded mythtv and qt (4.7.0) and started now with a new DB |
| [19:49:41] | iamlindoro: | So you're still running Myth against the exact same kernel as you were running .21? What kernel is that? |
| [19:50:04] | btwe: | Yes |
| [19:50:14] | btwe: | 2.6.26-2–686 |
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| [19:50:25] | iamlindoro: | pretty old |
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| [19:51:05] | btwe: | What kernel-release is needed? |
| [19:51:14] | iamlindoro: | We don't specify a minimum kernel |
| [19:51:21] | iamlindoro: | It's just pretty old |
| [19:51:44] | btwe: | Ok, I started BE now with -v eit. I will see what will come up |
| [19:52:08] | iamlindoro: | Can't imagine how you went from a fresh DB two minutes ago to anything that would function now |
| [19:52:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | big bang upgrades are always risky. |
| [19:52:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | better to upgrade the distro and let that bake in for awhile before upgrading myth |
| [19:52:29] | iamlindoro: | You also need to have NOT imported your channels with a channels.conf, by the way |
| [19:52:37] | iamlindoro: | so if you did that, that's the reason your EIT doesn't work |
| [19:52:48] | iamlindoro: | If you want/need EIT, you need to use Myth's scanner |
| [19:53:16] | btwe: | iamlindoro: good point :) I have done that. Thanks |
| [19:53:26] | iamlindoro: | problem solved ;) |
| [19:54:16] | skd5aner: | well, so far so good... I do have one issue though, but it's likely on my side... |
| [19:54:28] | skd5aner: | I'm just now starting to play with SGs for video... |
| [19:54:54] | skd5aner: | before, I had to NFS shares mounted and manually went through both trees individually within mythvideo |
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| [19:55:26] | skd5aner: | I've now created 2 directores within the videos SG, went into mfe video settings, and deleted the directories there, then went into mythvideo and scanned for changes |
| [19:55:30] | btwe: | iamlindoro: To delete all channels, should I delete all rows from channel table? |
| [19:55:48] | iamlindoro: | btwe: No, you should remove your video sources and create new ones |
| [19:55:59] | skd5aner: | btwe: you can delete all channels within mythtv-setup |
| [19:56:05] | iamlindoro: | Manually doing any database manipulation is a recipe for disaster |
| [19:56:32] | iamlindoro: | yes, as skd5aner says |
| [19:56:34] | btwe: | k . ill let you know. |
| [19:56:44] | skd5aner: | so, anyway... Now I have 2 weird oddities going on after migratin to SGs... one, the tree seems to be combined between the two dirs in the SGs, which is good |
| [19:57:16] | skd5aner: | however, if I try to navigate the tree, if I hit the right button to enter a directory, I actually have to hit it twice |
| [19:57:33] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: only on the first level of the tree |
| [19:57:41] | skd5aner: | yes, I believe so... |
| [19:57:44] | iamlindoro: | It's a known issue that is at worst a minor annoyance |
| [19:57:51] | skd5aner: | ok... good |
| [19:58:09] | skd5aner: | here's the other oddity, I'm seeing the title of videos double |
| [19:58:55] | skd5aner: | like the title is listed properly when it's highlighted, but then the title is painted again direclty ontop of it a few pixels higher and overlaps the correct titleposition |
| [19:59:29] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like metadata updates are running in the background |
| [19:59:32] | h21118: | sphery: It works! thanks a lot!! :) |
| [19:59:48] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: hmmm, will it do that automatically after a scan? |
| [19:59:50] | iamlindoro: | which it would potentially on upgrade to .24, assuming you left the auto-metadata update in place |
| [19:59:55] | iamlindoro: | yes, after a scan |
| [19:59:58] | iamlindoro: | see your log |
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| [20:00:04] | iamlindoro: | you'll see the updates going by |
| [20:00:16] | iamlindoro: | the little repaint issue is one that occurs when the metadata is updates for a highlighted item |
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| [20:00:25] | skd5aner: | ah... ok, will do – mfe isn't logging right now, unless it can be seen in the mbe logs |
| [20:00:28] | iamlindoro: | it's a minor limitation of the buttontree code |
| [20:00:31] | iamlindoro: | no, just on the FE |
| [20:00:48] | iamlindoro: | anyway, once the metadata updates are done, you wouldn't see that any more |
| [20:00:49] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: well, I'm greatful to know it's not something I did wrong on my end and that it's known :) |
| [20:01:07] | iamlindoro: | and when the buttontree is more themeable, then it shouldn't happen at all, presuming the theme is updated accordingly |
| [20:01:13] | iamlindoro: | No, nothing you did |
| [20:01:18] | skd5aner: | I can live with both, just was worried I was doing something wrong since both dirs in the SG have the same subdirectories :) |
| [20:02:16] | skd5aner: | I love it... it's SOOO much nicer now that I can see all my movies in one folder than navigating through have, then going to other one to navigate the other half... thank you for the ISO support, that's my #1 feature I appreciate this release |
| [20:02:16] | iamlindoro: | The issue is, basically, when an item in the buttontree is updated on the fly, it uses the more themeable elements of the child buttonlist-- but then it gets the "hardcoded" value |
| [20:02:25] | iamlindoro: | then the hardcoded value goes away, the repaint issue will too |
| [20:02:35] | iamlindoro: | You can thank Captain_Murdoch for the ISO support ;) |
| [20:03:02] | skd5aner: | Also, as a datapoint – I don't think I had to rescan for audio, however I did anyway because stupid me had the receive on the wrong input and didn't realize it until after I scanned |
| [20:03:07] | skd5aner: | but the settings looked stay the same |
| [20:03:28] | skd5aner: | s/looked stay/looked to stay |
| [20:03:58] | skd5aner: | very cool! Thanks again |
| [20:05:05] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [20:05:06] | skd5aner: | Great week for MythTV in my household... new Nevo Q50 remote which is taking everything to the next level leveraging jumppoints and a new release of MythTV with some much desired features :) |
| [20:05:42] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: oh, btw... watched the first 2 episodes of The Walking Dead... |
| [20:06:17] | skd5aner: | not a huge fan of horror/getting-the-crapped-scared-out-of-me genre, but I'm loving the show so far |
| [20:06:26] | skd5aner: | Love how they're shooting it too |
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| [20:06:42] | dustybin: | the restore script worked :D |
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| [20:07:35] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Likewise, I am not a huge horror fan (although the GF is), but we're enjoying watching it together-- I like that it's more about "what is humanity" than "run away!" |
| [20:08:52] | skd5aner: | That dude on the roof and/or his brother is going to be trouble |
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| [20:09:02] | iamlindoro: | ah-yup |
| [20:09:11] | skd5aner: | you know, I also like how they don't insult the intelligence of the audience... |
| [20:09:17] | iamlindoro: | though I thought the "oh crap, I dropped my saw on the way out" was way too telegraphed |
| [20:09:34] | iamlindoro: | In fact, that one little plot point was the only cliche I've seen so far |
| [20:09:40] | skd5aner: | they didn't play us for fools and try to string us along that his friend and wife were together |
| [20:10:54] | skd5aner: | So many shows would have tried to play that out for a whole season, "is his wife and kid alive?" and if they did, they woudln't have told us until season 2 that his partner was shacking up with her |
| [20:11:06] | skd5aner: | oh, spoiler alert :P |
| [20:11:12] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [20:16:39] | SteveGoodey: | skd5aner: Nevo Q50 remote looks pricey, does it do the dishes as well? |
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| [20:19:06] | skd5aner: | SteveGoodey: it was pricey, but I got it much much cheaper on ebay |
| [20:20:05] | skd5aner: | I think I broke mythvideo :( I'm getting huge memory usage and a non-responsive mythfrontend after I went into the menu and selected something like "enable browse by flat view" or something like that |
| [20:20:48] | skd5aner: | now, every time I enter videos, it goes crazy, HD light goes crazy, memory usage goes to about 80% and CPU for mfe goes to 15% |
| [20:21:12] | iamlindoro: | Difficult to tell what you did if you don't know what you did |
| [20:21:44] | iamlindoro: | Could have some sort of circular symlinks, could have massive numbers of files that it's trying to flatten, difficult to know |
| [20:21:58] | iamlindoro: | This is why we need fewer options-- people toggling them without even reading them |
| [20:22:06] | skd5aner: | heh – guilty this time |
| [20:23:33] | skd5aner: | sorry |
| [20:24:04] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: are you familiar with the command I selected and what it does? I feel kinda dumb now |
| [20:24:09] | iamlindoro: | mythvideo.folder_view_% to 0 |
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| [20:24:15] | iamlindoro: | I am only familiar with what I am guessing you touched |
| [20:24:29] | iamlindoro: | because what you mention is the mashing together of words related to totally different things |
| [20:24:32] | skd5aner: | yea... Unfortunately, I can't get back into mythvideo's menu to tell you exactly what it is |
| [20:24:48] | skd5aner: | but it's one of the menu items, at the top level (M) near the bottom of the list |
| [20:24:51] | iamlindoro: | switch all the mythvideo.folder_view_ values to 0 |
| [20:24:57] | iamlindoro: | in settings |
| [20:25:06] | skd5aner: | k |
| [20:25:22] | iamlindoro: | That's Just a best guess-- if that doesn't work then I have no idea what you did |
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| [20:25:58] | btwe: | I am currently adding channels. mythtv scanner found mpeg channels. Is it ok, that these channels have negative channel numbers and no names? |
| [20:26:20] | iamlindoro: | They aren't negatives, they're dashes |
| [20:26:36] | skd5aner: | mythvideo.folder_view_4 = 0 currently |
| [20:26:51] | SteveGoodey: | iamlindoro: MythPsychic needed. |
| [20:27:06] | btwe: | :) Ok, how do I correlate them to programs on lyngsat listings? |
| [20:27:07] | skd5aner: | yea, I blindly was goofing around |
| [20:27:17] | iamlindoro: | MPEG channels are cahnnels with non-compliant signalling, so Myth attempts to assign them a channel number based on frequency and serviceid-- not having a frequency makes it sound like the channels will be in some way non, functional, but you can add them and always remove them later |
| [20:27:31] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: switch to 1 |
| [20:27:50] | btwe: | iamlindoro: thx for explaining |
| [20:28:15] | iamlindoro: | btwe: Most channels on any properly run satellite should have DVB signalling (DVB channel type) |
| [20:28:25] | iamlindoro: | MPEG channels on those satellites may be engineering channels, data channels, etc. |
| [20:28:43] | btwe: | iamlindoro: k I will skip them |
| [20:28:43] | iamlindoro: | You'll likely end up deleting them later when you find they don't function-- but there's no harm in adding them until you confirm that |
| [20:28:46] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: back to normal – it was "enable file browse mode" |
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| [20:29:22] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: OK, then my guess is there was something in your setup that caused Myth to run into a loop-- symlink, or some other thing |
| [20:30:45] | skd5aner: | potentially, but to the best of my knowledge, I don't leverage any symlinks... not saying it's not plausible, but I know none of my video directories contain symlinks that are in those SGs |
| [20:31:07] | skd5aner: | who knows... I could try it again with logs on and see what its doing |
| [20:31:16] | skd5aner: | but, just not hitting the button suffices for me :) |
| [20:31:43] | skd5aner: | only symlink I do setup is for mythweb :) |
| [20:32:12] | skd5aner: | but, unrelated to my media |
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| [20:34:10] | skd5aner: | thanks – I hate to cry wolf |
| [20:35:13] | stevieman: | So I tried adjusting my mythtv screen using the Screen Setup Wizards, I fit the arrows to my TV exactly, the Theme reset and the perfectly alligned screen was now to small for the TV. I'd say it was about 2/3rds the size it was. Despite what the Wiki says there is no Reset in the wizard menus. I used the Gui Height and Width adjustment in Setup/Apperance but now my TV screen is litteraly flipping. How do I reset the screen |
| [20:35:13] | stevieman: | size to default |
| [20:36:06] | iamlindoro: | mythfrontend --reset |
| [20:36:30] | stevieman: | iamlindoro: will that reset everything? |
| [20:36:33] | iamlindoro: | or just use the -geometry settings |
| [20:36:49] | iamlindoro: | just appearance and locale settings |
| [20:38:05] | stevieman: | iamlindoro: Cool, what is the -geometry? |
| [20:38:15] | iamlindoro: | mythfrontend --help |
| [20:38:24] | stevieman: | cool thanks |
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| [20:39:49] | ** dustybin is looking forward to .24 ** | |
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| [20:39:57] | iamlindoro: | s/forward/back/ |
| [20:40:24] | dustybin: | ? |
| [20:40:33] | tgm4883: | s/back/to upgrade/ |
| [20:40:42] | iamlindoro: | .24 is out |
| [20:41:03] | dustybin: | those are release candidates? |
| [20:41:15] | iamlindoro: | no, they are not |
| [20:41:15] | dustybin: | ill wait for the full release |
| [20:41:19] | iamlindoro: | which is out |
| [20:41:19] | dustybin: | oh |
| [20:41:21] | btwe is now known as btwe_afk | |
| [20:41:30] | dustybin: | http://www.mythtv.org/ |
| [20:41:34] | dustybin: | Current Release: 0.23.1 |
| [20:41:39] | iamlindoro: | Oh is THAT were our web site is :P |
| [20:41:45] | iamlindoro: | where |
| [20:41:51] | ** dustybin is confused ** | |
| [20:41:55] | iamlindoro: | Don't worry about web sites |
| [20:42:01] | iamlindoro: | I'm telling you .24 is out |
| [20:42:03] | iamlindoro: | the end |
| [20:42:08] | dustybin: | ace :D |
| [20:42:37] | dustybin: | ill upgrade over the weekend |
| [20:42:42] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, according to mythbuntu-repos, 0.24 has been out for months ;) |
| [20:42:50] | iamlindoro: | yeah, don't listen to packages, either |
| [20:42:51] | dustybin: | i think its time to order 6x 1TB drives |
| [20:43:02] | iamlindoro: | I'll handle the information dissemination around here |
| [20:43:07] | tgm4883: | in fact, there may be some people running 0.25 |
| [20:43:22] | iamlindoro: | fancy, tell them to backport those future fixes for me |
| [20:43:23] | stevieman: | is .24 stable? |
| [20:43:32] | iamlindoro: | It wouldn't be a release if it wasn't stable |
| [20:44:00] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
| [20:44:09] | iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro changes topic to Welcome to the official MythTV user-to-user support channel. | Play Nice | http://mythtv.org/ | Latest stable release: 0.24 | Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ | US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ | |
| [20:44:27] | dustybin: | ACE :D |
| [20:44:33] | ** dustybin *cheers* ** | |
| [20:44:34] | iamlindoro: | http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7546203/ |
| [20:44:45] | stevieman: | forgive my ignorance, on the whole stable thing, it's not an RC anymore correct? |
| [20:44:54] | iamlindoro: | Correct |
| [20:44:58] | stevieman: | cool |
| [20:44:59] | iamlindoro: | We released .24 this morning |
| [20:45:40] | ** tgm4883 stops causing trouble ** | |
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| [20:46:07] | stevieman: | ah, excellent, any real changes that I should upgrade for? |
| [20:46:07] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [20:46:15] | iamlindoro: | Read the release notes |
| [20:46:18] | iamlindoro: | then you tell us |
| [20:46:35] | stevieman: | just reading them right now |
| [20:46:52] | stevieman: | So no need for Jamu anymore? |
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| [20:47:38] | tgm4883: | only as a fallback |
| [20:47:38] | dustybin: | i will use this for the source code |
| [20:47:39] | dustybin: | http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-24-fixes/ |
| [20:47:44] | tgm4883: | if my reading is correct |
| [20:49:15] | stevieman: | tgm4883: Ah very good |
| [20:49:39] | stevieman: | Are the auto builds repo's ready with stable .24? |
| [20:50:14] | tgm4883: | they will be in 5 hours |
| [20:50:54] | stevieman: | tgm4883: Then I will wait till later :) |
| [20:51:27] | tgm4883: | the only changes would be whatever was committed to the 0.24 branch between yesterday and tonight |
| [20:53:07] | stevieman: | tgm4883: With my luck it'll be something important :) |
| [20:53:21] | tgm4883: | stevieman, well you could look at the commits |
| [20:54:02] | stevieman: | tgm4883: I'm not in a hurry, I'm more concerned about getting irexec working |
| [20:54:12] | tgm4883: | the auto-builds branch will actually contain 0.24 + any fixes that have been commited |
| [20:57:32] | HypNoMadic: | iamlindoro: that video at xtranormal is just classic |
| [20:58:27] | ** HypNoMadic wants to watch TV in the HDs ** | |
| [21:03:14] | skd5aner: | heh, it's like agt-get, only better, it's synaptec! |
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| [21:04:42] | skd5aner: | I love it |
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| [21:11:57] | iamlindoro: | Heh, /me prepares to add another deadly, deadly thread to MBE |
| [21:12:37] | kormoc: | oh noes! Now I need to get a 33 core cpu! |
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| [21:25:19] | Twiggy|worx: | I have my system set up with an ati all in wonder usb hd tuner, I want a second tuner. Should I just get another usb model since I already have the driver and it is set up or should I get something else? The usb tuner is like less than $30. |
| [21:25:54] | xris: | Twiggy|worx: what kind of TV signal? |
| [21:25:59] | Twiggy|worx: | digital |
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| [21:37:11] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, no, opteron won't hit 20 cores until 2012 |
| [21:37:23] | sphery: | does that mean we need dual opterons? |
| [21:37:42] | kormoc: | yes! That's the only solution |
| [21:37:43] | skd5aner: | a beowolf cluster of opterons |
| [21:38:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: can you make it so I can disable the thread in case I can only get a single opteron |
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| [21:38:59] | sphery: | hmmm... looking at Intel's roadmap, I don't see the 20-core Atoms any time soon. Anyone know when to expect them? |
| [21:39:13] | kormoc: | if only there was a way to switch a thread's context without requiring a dedicated core |
| [21:39:21] | kormoc: | perhaps some day someone will figure out how to do that |
| [21:39:30] | sphery: | you're such a dreamer |
| [21:40:20] | stevieman: | If I'm running lircd as root and irexec as mythtv user would this cause a problem getting irexec to exit sdlmame? |
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| [21:41:10] | sphery: | stevieman: what's irexec running to exit sdlmame? |
| [21:41:35] | stevieman: | sphery: It's running the code from the mythgame wiki |
| [21:41:35] | sphery: | if irexec is running a kill, then what matters is that irexec and sdlmame are run by the same user |
| [21:42:04] | sphery: | lircd as root is pretty standard--it just sends strings to clients (such as irexec), so that's unrelated |
| [21:42:17] | sphery: | even non-root users can process strings :) |
| [21:42:31] | stevieman: | sphery: ok, let me see who is running sdlmame |
| [21:43:45] | sphery: | stevieman: so wait, the irexec is being used to run sdlmame? |
| [21:43:56] | sphery: | if so, sldmame is starting as the user running irexec |
| [21:44:05] | sphery: | but how are you trying to exit sdlmame? |
| [21:44:24] | stevieman: | sphery: no I'm tryng to get irexec to exit sdlmame to get back into mythtv |
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| [21:44:54] | sphery: | ah, yeah, you mean http://wiki.mythtv.com/wiki/Configuring_MythG . . . e_using_lirc |
| [21:45:13] | sphery: | so, yeah, just have to make sure user running irexec has permission to kill mame process |
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| [21:45:23] | sphery: | so, generally, same user |
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| [21:47:11] | stevieman: | sphery: so irexec and sdlmame are being run by the same user |
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| [21:47:38] | stevieman: | sphery: yah that's the link |
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| [21:51:59] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
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| [21:52:50] | jm|laptop: | I am having real problems trying to get mythtv-setup to launch – I'm sure it's something to do with my /usr/share/mythtv/themes, I seem to have the wrong themes for my version, despite the fact I'm using 0.23.x for mythtv-* in Debian |
| [21:53:49] | kormoc: | so fix your themes? |
| [21:54:05] | jm|laptop: | I don't know how to :'( I've been googling in despair |
| [21:54:29] | jm|laptop: | 2010-11–10 21:53:47.348 MythThemedMenu: Couldn't read menu file setup.xml |
| [21:54:42] | jm|laptop: | this message seems quite frequent; I'm guessing the theme definitions have all changed? |
| [21:54:47] | kormoc: | check permissions? |
| [21:55:15] | jm|laptop: | I am invoking mythtv-setup as root |
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| [21:58:44] | jm|laptop: | kormoc: please would you look at my console output? |
| [21:59:17] | kormoc: | you haven't linked us any console output to look at |
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| [22:00:15] | tgm4883: | kormoc, you have to guess |
| [22:00:16] | jm|laptop: | kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/1987568 |
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| [22:00:54] | jm|laptop: | I'm not even sure why it's trying G.A.N.T. |
| [22:01:24] | sphery: | jm|laptop: 2010-11–10 21:58:04.904 Overriding broken theme 'Terra' with 'MythCenter-wide' is the error |
| [22:01:28] | jm|laptop: | I have been trying -O Theme= |
| [22:01:30] | sphery: | says your Terra theme is broken |
| [22:01:37] | sphery: | meaning it's most likely not installed |
| [22:01:44] | sphery: | which means you don't have 0.23 themes |
| [22:01:48] | jm|laptop: | it is installed |
| [22:01:52] | tgm4883: | uninstall/reinstall themes? |
| [22:02:01] | sphery: | I highly recommend uninstalling all parts of mythtv and then reinstalling them |
| [22:02:02] | jm|laptop: | # ls -l Terra/ | wc -l |
| [22:02:02] | jm|laptop: | 31 |
| [22:02:09] | sphery: | it shouldn't affect your setup--since stuff is in database |
| [22:02:14] | sphery: | but to be sure do a backup first |
| [22:02:18] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [22:02:22] | jm|laptop: | I was trying to avoid a full reinstall :/ |
| [22:02:34] | sphery: | only a mythtv reinstall |
| [22:02:46] | sphery: | I have a feeling you have garbage from old installs still |
| [22:02:54] | jm|laptop: | probably :/ |
| [22:02:56] | sphery: | and maybe something is preventing your package manager from properly upgrading some part |
| [22:03:00] | sphery: | because of conflict or something |
| [22:03:10] | sphery: | best thing to do is clean off all the mythtv stuff, then just install it |
| [22:03:32] | skd5aner: | are the new OSD themes tied directly to the overall theme? In other words, OSD themes are not selected seperate from the menu themes correcT? |
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| [22:05:58] | iamlindoro: | yes, Themes = OSD Themes |
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| [22:06:09] | skd5aner: | sphery: I know you worked/committed the change related to the DVD exit key... |
| [22:06:12] | iamlindoro: | So Arclight = Arclight OSD and only Arclight OSD |
| [22:06:47] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: thanks, I figured that out pretty quickly... btw, just saw Arclights... I love the fact that it gives me all the details about the source (resolution, codec, livetv, etc |
| [22:07:05] | skd5aner: | Arclight's OSD that is, obviously |
| [22:07:08] | iamlindoro: | Pap won't let his baby get someone else's OSD ;) |
| [22:07:10] | iamlindoro: | er Papa |
| [22:07:15] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [22:07:29] | iamlindoro: | But I'm sure there will be complaining about how the grating is too small, or the Word information is blurry, or whatever |
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| [22:07:47] | skd5aner: | Yea, just wanted to fiddle around and check some of the others out – now I know to just adjust the themes |
| [22:07:51] | iamlindoro: | Damn, I missed a perfect opportunity to make "Information" pixelated instead of blurry |
| [22:07:53] | iamlindoro: | oh well |
| [22:08:03] | sphery: | skd5aner: I think you mean I complained about the initial patch and made Jim change it? :) http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8822 |
| [22:08:14] | sphery: | markk committed it |
| [22:08:14] | skd5aner: | hehe, Yea, you could have made it look 8-bit |
| [22:08:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: with Xv renderer, Information is actually more crisp than the rest of the text |
| [22:08:54] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea... probably true... I just fiddled with it a bit, looks like it needs to be a unique key. I tried binding esc to it, but when I do so then I can never exit out of DVD playback :) |
| [22:09:14] | skd5aner: | overules the global exit binding ;) |
| [22:09:22] | sphery: | skd5aner: well, if you map it to override some other key, then the other key is unusable |
| [22:09:34] | sphery: | skd5aner: though edit keys will prevent you from overriding like that |
| [22:09:43] | ** sphery guesses you used MythWeb's key bindings editor ** | |
| [22:09:43] | skd5aner: | yea – I guess I just probably remembered Jim's original proposal |
| [22:09:53] | sphery: | the one with the big old, "Be careful, you can break things" warning in red |
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| [22:10:13] | skd5aner: | sphery: no no, I went through the fe UI, and it did warn me – but I just wanted to see what would happen |
| [22:10:24] | skd5aner: | figured if it broke, it was easy to fix |
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| [22:10:32] | sphery: | warned? |
| [22:10:37] | skd5aner: | I'm all for doing dumb user things today ;) |
| [22:10:40] | sphery: | how did you tell it to do it anyway? |
| [22:11:00] | skd5aner: | it said that it would conflict with the global setting, would I like to proceed anyway – I said yes |
| [22:11:08] | skd5aner: | paraphrasing – not sure of the exact verbage |
| [22:11:17] | sphery: | maybe we allow overriding of global bindings... |
| [22:11:25] | sphery: | I can't remember where we're at, now |
| [22:11:29] | sphery: | that sounds right |
| [22:11:38] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I seem to be getting somewhere now |
| [22:11:39] | jm|laptop: | thanks |
| [22:11:49] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, no big deal |
| [22:11:50] | sphery: | jm|laptop: cool... I was out of ideas :) |
| [22:12:05] | skd5aner: | sphery: btw, what was the objection to allowing escape to go back to the main menu first? |
| [22:12:15] | sphery: | because then it did that for everyone |
| [22:12:26] | sphery: | I wouldn't mind if back exits if you're already on the menu |
| [22:12:40] | sphery: | but we won't change our exit key to not exit :) |
| [22:13:00] | sphery: | i.e. no code-mandated overloading of key bindings |
| [22:13:33] | skd5aner: | sphery: I thought that was part of his orignal proposal? exit during playback sent you to the top-level DVD menu, exit at a menu exited the plugin? |
| [22:13:41] | sphery: | skd5aner: actually, BACK does exit if you're on the menu |
| [22:14:35] | sphery: | at least it did when committed |
| [22:14:47] | skd5aner: | I can't count the number of times I've hit "exit" on the remote or "escape" on the keyboard thinking I'll go back to the menu and BAM... back into myth I go :) |
| [22:15:22] | skd5aner: | sphery: it might, just wondering how I might want to bind a key... |
| [22:16:01] | sphery: | yeah, code still looks good |
| [22:16:30] | skd5aner: | oh, I'm sure it does exactly as you say... |
| [22:17:06] | skd5aner: | I'm glad to have a way to get out of the movie and back to the menu without using the menu, just trying to solve the best way to accomplish it |
| [22:17:09] | Sp0tter: | man i'm stll having that problem of irexec dying when i open mythfrontned |
| [22:17:14] | Sp0tter: | not dying but zombifying |
| [22:17:42] | sphery: | Sp0tter: heh, lirc is fun |
| [22:18:00] | Sp0tter: | i just dont undersatnd, it works great til i open myth, sometimes it works til i open it twice |
| [22:18:01] | skd5aner: | I finally messed with lirc again for the first time in 3 years yesterday |
| [22:18:02] | skd5aner: | fun stuff |
| [22:18:20] | sphery: | I think everyone who's ever set up lirc had something similar with things dying when the first client connects, then eventually they made it work, but never realized what changed |
| [22:18:21] | skd5aner: | actually, SOOOOOOO much simplier than it used to be |
| [22:18:22] | Sp0tter: | yea lirc is awesome, i have remote buttons to open myth and XBMC and to turn the tv on |
| [22:18:25] | Sp0tter: | with an ir blaster |
| [22:18:43] | sphery: | why waste a button to open xbmc... |
| [22:18:46] | sphery: | you have MythTV |
| [22:18:51] | Sp0tter: | sphery: yea its so weird, i dont have any erors or any setup issues.. its all straightforward |
| [22:18:52] | sphery: | ;) |
| [22:19:00] | Sp0tter: | sphery: xbmc is so much better for watching movies, in my opinion |
| [22:19:08] | Sp0tter: | its cleaner |
| [22:19:12] | Sp0tter: | and the options are all at hand |
| [22:19:20] | Sp0tter: | so simple to turn off subtitles or someting |
| [22:19:25] | HypNoMadic: | blasphemy |
| [22:19:31] | sphery: | yeah, hitting T is a real chore |
| [22:19:36] | sphery: | what's up with that? |
| [22:19:38] | Sp0tter: | and it has built in samba support |
| [22:19:44] | Sp0tter: | mounts my media drives |
| [22:19:46] | Sp0tter: | from all comptuers |
| [22:19:47] | kormoc: | sphery, it's all those letters away from S |
| [22:19:53] | Sp0tter: | i'm sure myth can do it too, but i like xbmc |
| [22:19:55] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, so does Linux |
| [22:20:01] | Sp0tter: | kormoc: see above |
| [22:20:08] | kormoc: | xbmc, reimplementing OS features and calling it new! |
| [22:20:15] | Sp0tter: | not at all |
| [22:20:19] | sphery: | Sp0tter: So, XBMC is better than MythtV because you don't care to learn how to use MythTV. I can't dispute that. :) |
| [22:20:25] | Sp0tter: | sphery: absolutely |
| [22:20:28] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:20:33] | Sp0tter: | my g/f is used to xbmc too |
| [22:20:34] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, mounts are a OS level feature |
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| [22:20:36] | sphery: | I do understand that point of view |
| [22:20:45] | Sp0tter: | kormoc: i dont care about it or your opinion |
| [22:20:54] | Sp0tter: | not looking to argue about details :) |
| [22:20:59] | Sp0tter: | i love mythtv though, i just love it |
| [22:21:02] | sphery: | I actually tell people who have used MS Office for years to use MS Office (generally the version they've been using) rather than learn OpenOffice.org |
| [22:21:09] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, and I don't care about your option but you went and spewed it in the channel |
| [22:21:14] | sphery: | (and will do the same for LibreOffice... guh. I hate that name.) |
| [22:21:22] | Sp0tter: | sphery: it took me 5 months to convert here from ms office to openoffice (libreoffice) |
| [22:21:41] | Sp0tter: | yea i hate the name too |
| [22:21:48] | Sp0tter: | aren't they in the process of getting the old name back from Oracle? |
| [22:21:49] | sphery: | yeah, for most people it's a lot cheaper to buy an MS Office license than to use OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice |
| [22:22:02] | sphery: | licensing cost is a small part of the cost of Office Automation |
| [22:22:06] | Sp0tter: | well i prefer to use open source, and i make my g/f use open source |
| [22:22:14] | Sp0tter: | she uses Arch Linux now |
| [22:22:15] | Sp0tter: | for a year |
| [22:22:23] | sphery: | yeah, I use only FOSS, but that's because I'm a stubborn guy |
| [22:23:07] | Sp0tter: | anyways for lirc, the main thing i need irexec to do is to remap my computer remote power button to play the tv power code through the ir blaster |
| [22:23:17] | sphery: | I just don't think that using FOSS because it's free of charge is a good approach for most people |
| [22:23:19] | Sp0tter: | so the xbmc vs myth not really an issue heh |
| [22:23:32] | sphery: | In truth, the free of charge is unrelated to my reasons for using it |
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| [22:23:36] | Sp0tter: | sphery: I try to get everyone using foss whenever possible |
| [22:23:44] | Sp0tter: | yea i dont care about cost, i care about love |
| [22:23:49] | Sp0tter: | i like using something that was made with love |
| [22:23:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:24:02] | Sp0tter: | someone made this program so that people could use it and it would make their lives better |
| [22:24:08] | Sp0tter: | vs someone made this program to get money from me |
| [22:24:20] | Sp0tter: | ovbiously thats not true with all FOSS.. but i like to pretend it is |
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| [22:24:46] | Sp0tter: | i just started using linux 2 years ago, and it has been quite a journy,.. i've just loved it |
| [22:24:58] | Sp0tter: | i have to use windows 7 for work right now, but i'm using Arch in a VM with xmonad for this chat |
| [22:25:12] | jm|laptop: | hm |
| [22:25:29] | sphery: | The only people I know who could possibly have the required obstinance to use FOSS in spite of the costs (in time/effort to relearn everything) are tech guys. However, the same obstinance that could be used to fuel their love of FOSS has already made them write off FOSS as stupid because they've bought into (and are obstinant about) MS Windows or whatever part related to it they do for a living. |
| [22:25:50] | sphery: | so I don't preach FOSS to anyone I know |
| [22:26:01] | Sp0tter: | my g/f had no problem with anything going from windows to linux except in open office she couldnt figure out hwo to do a running header that changes after the 2nd page |
| [22:26:04] | sphery: | but I love it--bordering on the kind of love RMS has for it |
| [22:26:10] | Sp0tter: | i googled it in 2 seconds for her, but she refused to google |
| [22:26:20] | Sp0tter: | she claims "I shouldn't have to figure it out since you made me change" |
| [22:26:29] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:26:32] | sphery: | she has a point, though |
| [22:26:35] | Sp0tter: | yea |
| [22:26:41] | Sp0tter: | then i got her using thunderbird and she loves it |
| [22:26:42] | Sp0tter: | he |
| [22:26:42] | sphery: | that's the other reason I don't recommend FOSS to people I know :) |
| [22:26:43] | Sp0tter: | heh |
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| [22:27:16] | sphery: | yeah, TBird is pretty nice once you turn off the background CPU/disk workout |
| [22:27:18] | Sp0tter: | i just think its awesome the kind of software out there.. that is free.. and no strings attached |
| [22:27:37] | Sp0tter: | i love being able to upgarde a computer with 1 command |
| [22:27:45] | Sp0tter: | or install every program for a comptuer with 1 command |
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| [22:27:55] | Sp0tter: | reinstalling linux is so easy |
| [22:28:01] | jm|laptop: | so usbip didn't work anyway |
| [22:28:04] | jm|laptop: | what a waste of time |
| [22:28:04] | sphery: | Yeah, it's the Free I like. I like being able to fix things I don't like--rather than wait for MS to agree that my issue warrants attention. |
| [22:28:12] | Sp0tter: | and how so many config files are all in your home dir.. its so easy to backup |
| [22:28:14] | ** jm|laptop wonders about a SBE ** | |
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| [22:28:47] | Sp0tter: | mythtv is adictive.. when i first downloaded it i was just goin to use it to watch live tv.. then i got it all setup.. and now i have liek 30 things setup to record each week and am thinking of getting a 2nd tuner |
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| [22:29:36] | Sp0tter: | recently i've been having a problem thuogh, it wont play back in real time |
| [22:29:42] | Sp0tter: | the video is like at .5 speed |
| [22:29:46] | Sp0tter: | and the audo is at regular speed |
| [22:30:42] | ** jm|laptop is confused. ** | |
| [22:30:52] | jm|laptop: | When do I set the SBE _as_ the SBE? |
| [22:31:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | not everyone that uses some-random-commercial-app uses it to it's full potential. |
| [22:32:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | msoffice is the classic example of overkill-from-the-office brought home. |
| [22:32:14] | sphery: | jm|laptop: you run mythtv-setup and by virtue of specifying a different IP address for this backend as the IP address you set for the Master backend, it becomes a slave/remote backend |
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| [22:32:31] | Sp0tter: | JEDIDIAH__: yea most ppeople, including me, only use a tiny featureset of most applications they use |
| [22:32:50] | jm|laptop: | sphery: ok; so I need a routable IP for my new SBE? |
| [22:32:56] | jm|laptop: | rather than localhost. |
| [22:33:02] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah, tons of overkill in Office. I could be happy with MS Office 6.0 if it still ran on any usable version of Windows |
| [22:33:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | I remember a demo of WP from the ST days where everyone was sitting around joking about how much overkill the thing was. |
| [22:33:37] | jm|laptop: | basically; I have a box downstairs with a DVB-S2 box on it – I just tried to use usbip to have one sole backend but that didn't work :( |
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| [22:34:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | sometimes less is more. |
| [22:34:28] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I configure the input sources etc. on he SBE (channel scan and what have you) ... I think I'll use NFS for storage only on the MBE which has lots of space |
| [22:34:34] | sphery: | OK, not Office 6.0... It was the one with Word 2.0, Excel 4, etc... |
| [22:34:49] | sphery: | seems according to wikipedia, that's MS Office for Windows 3.0 |
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| [22:35:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | "so simple to turn off subtitles or someting" |
| [22:35:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | There's a menu for that. |
| [22:35:39] | sphery: | yeah, and a key binding |
| [22:35:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | Not CC's though. that's what originally threw me about CC support in 0.23 |
| [22:35:55] | sphery: | there's a menu for that, too |
| [22:35:58] | sphery: | and a keybinding |
| [22:36:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | there's a menu for subtitles for videos that have subtitles. |
| [22:36:34] | sphery: | right, the menu only presents the option if the captions/subtitles/... exist |
| [22:36:58] | sphery: | ah, it was Office 92 that I liked best |
| [22:37:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | that doesn't work for an external caption file. Probably doesn't work for an external sub file either. |
| [22:37:14] | sphery: | (the new name of the "repackaged" MS Office 3.0) |
| [22:37:48] | sphery: | I don't have external files, so I haven't tried that |
| [22:39:09] | Sp0tter: | teehee |
| [22:40:53] | jm|laptop: | agh nfs uid clashes |
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| [23:08:38] | hednod: | i cannot seem to find the right document so, what do i need to add to a external players command line to specfiy the path to the file? |
| [23:08:41] | hednod: | %something |
| [23:08:54] | hednod: | or does it append that automatically? |
| [23:10:12] | kormoc: | We don't support external players anymore do we? |
| [23:11:33] | hednod: | there is still an alternative player option |
| [23:11:36] | hednod: | this is in mythvideo |
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| [23:15:00] | kormoc: | it will just append it automatically |
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| [23:59:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | | VideoDefaultPlayer | /usr/local/bin/xine-wrapper.sh %s mythtv | brad | |
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