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| [00:04:53] | Twiggy2cents: | Is anybody running F14 and mythtv? |
| [00:06:49] | sphery: | k-man: fwiw, you should probably ask on the list how it should be implemented. Daniel K just recently refactored ProgramInfo so that it has fewer items for better performance. His overall plan is to only transfer the important info initially and somehow populate the rest of the info later (but I don't know any of the details of the plan). Also, that's something best implemented after we move to the new recordedfile schema ( ... |
| [00:06:55] | sphery: | ... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TaskRecordedFile --perhaps somewhere in streaminfo or maybe audioinfo/videoinfo). |
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| [00:08:28] | Twiggy2cents: | When I try to watch a recording or livetv it crashes the x server and restarts. I have it on CPU+ with an nvidia card. I ran this combo on F13 with no issues. |
| [00:08:34] | Twiggy2cents: | What logs should I look at? |
| [00:08:49] | sphery: | F14... Didn't know you could run MythTV on a Tomcat. Probably makes it hard to concentrate on the flying. |
| [00:09:13] | Twiggy2cents: | lol I am a good multitasker |
| [00:09:29] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: first step is to not use CPU+ |
| [00:09:32] | Twiggy2cents: | I guess I mean Fedora 14 :) |
| [00:09:41] | sphery: | pretty sure that the new nvidia driver crashes with XvMC |
| [00:09:47] | sphery: | which is good because XvMC is terrible |
| [00:09:51] | Twiggy2cents: | use vdpau? |
| [00:09:55] | sphery: | so if they make it not work, we can get rid of it |
| [00:10:11] | sphery: | either VDPAU (if the card supports it) or Xv with CPU decode |
| [00:10:26] | sphery: | Slim for Xv |
| [00:10:34] | sphery: | VDPAU <whatever> for VDPAU |
| [00:10:59] | Twiggy2cents: | how do I know if it supports vdpau? |
| [00:11:04] | Twiggy2cents: | Do all current cards support it? |
| [00:11:04] | sphery: | what card is it? |
| [00:11:13] | Twiggy2cents: | geforce 210 |
| [00:11:19] | sphery: | yeah, it supports it |
| [00:11:34] | Twiggy2cents: | okay I will try it |
| [00:11:35] | sphery: | pretty much GF9000 series and above |
| [00:11:42] | sphery: | and most of the GF8000 series |
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| [00:12:03] | Twiggy2cents: | was the 200 series the next after 9000 series? |
| [00:12:07] | sphery: | more than anything, though, you'll want to get rid of XvMC (and you'll love the results) |
| [00:12:10] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:12:12] | sphery: | it's their new naming scheme |
| [00:12:18] | Twiggy2cents: | okay |
| [00:12:30] | sphery: | they rolled over instead of going to the 10K series? |
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| [00:12:41] | Twiggy2cents: | hmm I will look into XvMC. |
| [00:12:48] | sphery: | there's some marketing name difference, but I don't remember |
| [00:12:52] | Twiggy2cents: | Does it need replaced by something better? |
| [00:13:05] | sphery: | basically, anything else is better :) |
| [00:13:12] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [00:13:28] | sphery: | XvMC was a 1990's approach to offloading some of the decoding to the video card |
| [00:13:32] | sphery: | it's terrible |
| [00:13:50] | sphery: | far too many disadvantages and--with today's CPUs--no advantages |
| [00:13:53] | Twiggy2cents: | so if I use vdpau that would override that? Since it makes the video card decode right? |
| [00:13:58] | sphery: | right |
| [00:14:05] | sphery: | video card would do all decoding |
| [00:14:09] | Twiggy2cents: | okay I will try real quick |
| [00:14:14] | sphery: | instead of just doing a little bit of math for the decoding |
| [00:14:14] | jams: | sphery it's the best thing since sliced bread! it will butter your toast for you, then drop it on the floor |
| [00:14:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:14:45] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: are you the guy from the list with the crash with XvMC? |
| [00:15:19] | Twiggy2cents: | nope I just upgraded last night and ran into this issue. Then did a fresh install thinking something was broken :) |
| [00:15:27] | Twiggy2cents: | I hadnt really asked anybody yet |
| [00:15:36] | sphery: | Beirdo: thanks for replying... I didn't want to name names. |
| [00:15:57] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: ah, too bad... that guy had so many errors in his log, I didn't have the energy to reply |
| [00:16:12] | Twiggy2cents: | should my video card handle vdpau high quality or should I do normal? |
| [00:16:15] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [00:16:23] | sphery: | ah, yeah, he's on *buntu |
| [00:17:15] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: I'd recommend start with vdpau slim, get it working, then try pushing it up higher until you realize you need to back down one level :) |
| [00:18:09] | Twiggy2cents: | hmm am I missing something. The settings for vdpau slim and high quality are the same. I'm guessing there is more stuff going on than it shows? |
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| [00:18:24] | sphery: | you're probably not looking at page 2? |
| [00:18:41] | sphery: | or you didn't go into the actual profile edit screen? |
| [00:19:06] | Twiggy2cents: | umm no, I think it was playback profiles 3/8 |
| [00:19:12] | Twiggy2cents: | page 2 of what? |
| [00:19:19] | sphery: | yeah, you have to edit each profile to see its settings |
| [00:19:27] | sphery: | you're looking at the playback profile group selector |
| [00:19:34] | sphery: | not actual playback profiles |
| [00:19:48] | sphery: | the profiles have 2 pages of settings |
| [00:19:59] | sphery: | though you shouldn't edit them |
| [00:20:07] | sphery: | so just select VDPAU Slim and go :) |
| [00:20:30] | Twiggy2cents: | okay I am going for it |
| [00:22:09] | k-man: | sphery: great, thanks for the pointers |
| [00:24:16] | k-man: | sphery: is there a target version for those proposed schema changes? |
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| [00:25:13] | momelod: | greetings channel |
| [00:25:21] | Twiggy2cents: | I think that VDPAU high quality will be okay. I tried some action recordings and didnt see any lines |
| [00:25:41] | k-man: | hi momelod |
| [00:26:21] | momelod: | just installed 0.24 from trunk. I thought i read some where MythMusic was being rebuilt in this version, but to my dismay it's the same old unusable player. :( where the MythMusic updates dropped? |
| [00:26:48] | Twiggy2cents: | One more thing. The fedora 14 .35 kernel has some IR stuff built in, MCE remote is supported. That is what I have. Do you have any idea how to shut it off, I just want to use lirc and my conf. |
| [00:27:09] | [R]: | momelod: no... it hasn't |
| [00:27:23] | momelod: | [R], good. :D |
| [00:27:34] | momelod: | so when will it be released to the public? |
| [00:27:47] | [R]: | when it gets written? |
| [00:27:53] | momelod: | oh, lol. |
| [00:28:03] | momelod: | hey, why not just use mpd? |
| [00:28:30] | [R]: | huh? |
| [00:29:12] | momelod: | mpd, the music player daemon |
| [00:29:27] | [R]: | huh? |
| [00:29:34] | momelod: | just include an mpd client in the frontend |
| [00:29:52] | [R]: | your assuming theres problems playing music in the first palce |
| [00:29:53] | [R]: | there isn't |
| [00:29:57] | [R]: | its just the ui that needs to be fixed |
| [00:30:31] | momelod: | but with mpd, we could control music with other clients.. such as those available on smartphones |
| [00:30:35] | momelod: | would be pretty neat i think |
| [00:30:39] | [R]: | so use mpd than |
| [00:31:03] | momelod: | i am. just would like it to be built into myth.. and since the ui is being rewritten anywayz.. |
| [00:31:12] | [R]: | so write a plugni for it |
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| [00:31:59] | momelod: | im afraid i dont have the skills for that. Im an excellent complainer tho :) |
| [00:32:55] | [R]: | lol |
| [00:33:06] | momelod: | :) |
| [00:33:14] | wagnerrp: | so as it always is... |
| [00:33:19] | momelod: | anyhow, just an idea. keep up the good work :) |
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| [00:34:00] | wagnerrp: | dont worry, it has been mentioned multiple times over the past several years |
| [00:34:09] | wagnerrp: | not a new idea |
| [00:34:48] | momelod: | out of curiosity what was the reason to go in another direction? |
| [00:36:19] | sphery: | probably the main reason is because no one who was actually willing to put work into it went that direction |
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| [00:39:12] | wagnerrp: | momelod: technically, there has been no direction gone |
| [00:39:22] | wagnerrp: | no one has written any sort of remote control for mythmusic |
| [00:40:04] | momelod: | what language would i need to learn if i wanted to write it? |
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| [00:41:01] | wagnerrp: | C++/Qt |
| [00:41:57] | momelod: | maybe one day |
| [00:42:37] | momelod: | in the meantime. what's this i've read about the broadcom crystal hd chip? does it work in 0.24? |
| [00:42:47] | wagnerrp: | experimentally, yes |
| [00:43:11] | wagnerrp: | however nvidia cards are still the preferred video output |
| [00:43:19] | wagnerrp: | and nvidia cards all already support VDPAU |
| [00:43:22] | sphery: | and cheaper and far more capable |
| [00:43:42] | momelod: | so stick w/ nvidia? |
| [00:44:07] | momelod: | is there a particular card or chip that's best for hd? |
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| [00:44:23] | wagnerrp: | the crystal HD decoders are just that, a decoder |
| [00:44:34] | wagnerrp: | pass encoded video in, pull decoded video out |
| [00:44:35] | sphery: | I'd say yes on nvidia, as far as which, I'll leave that to someone more knowledgeable |
| [00:44:39] | momelod: | im currently running it on a GeForce 6200 |
| [00:44:42] | wagnerrp: | you still need a separate graphics card for output |
| [00:44:58] | sphery: | though I will say vdpau-capable |
| [00:45:12] | sphery: | meaning 9000 series+ (or some of the 8000 series) |
| [00:45:27] | wagnerrp: | most of the 8000 series |
| [00:45:40] | wagnerrp: | you can not buy an 8000 series card that does not support VDPAU |
| [00:46:07] | wagnerrp: | not anymore anyway |
| [00:46:19] | ** sphery leaves the 8000 series more nebulous so he doesn't get blamed when someone buys the wrong thing off ebay ** | |
| [00:46:21] | wagnerrp: | they were only the original batch of high end 8-series that didnt support it |
| [00:46:41] | wagnerrp: | you dont want an 8800 for mythtv anyway |
| [00:47:13] | sphery: | IMHO, today, you want to buy something more current, anyway :) |
| [00:47:50] | momelod: | i dont wanna break the bank. but i do want to get into HD. |
| [00:48:39] | [R]: | you can get an nvidia that supports vdpau for like $30 |
| [00:49:01] | momelod: | that's defiantly in my ballpark |
| [00:49:08] | momelod: | so im looking for vdpau support |
| [00:49:11] | momelod: | thanks for the tip |
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| [00:51:41] | momelod: | also, im running a standalone setup (back/frontends on one box). 2Ghz CPU and 3Gb RAM. will that suffice for HD? |
| [00:51:56] | sphery: | How's the GF210 for VDPAU? |
| [00:52:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: works fine |
| [00:52:14] | wagnerrp: | momelod: 2GHz...? |
| [00:52:42] | momelod: | yeah.. cpu |
| [00:52:48] | wagnerrp: | P4? Ath XP? Ath 64? X2? X4? X6? Core 2? Core i3? Core i5? |
| [00:52:59] | momelod: | amd_64 |
| [00:53:06] | sphery: | just wondering... there's a 512MB one at newegg for $44.99 with 10% off using promo code EMCZZYR24, then a $25 mail in rebate (gets a $25 prepaid card) + $2.99 S&H |
| [00:53:16] | wagnerrp: | ARM? Itanium? PPC? POWER? |
| [00:53:24] | sphery: | so, like $18.50 |
| [00:53:50] | momelod: | wagnerrp, rebooting.. ill get that info in a minute |
| [00:53:51] | sphery: | +0.44 stamp :) |
| [00:53:55] | wagnerrp: | so single core, Athlon 64 at 2GHz |
| [00:54:01] | momelod: | sphery, share the link to that card |
| [00:54:05] | wagnerrp: | probably a 3200+? |
| [00:54:30] | sphery: | momelod: I"m not recommending it at all, so if you decide to buy, it's all on you :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130541 |
| [00:54:30] | wagnerrp: | a 3200+ will handle any broadcast ATSC you throw at it |
| [00:54:36] | momelod: | wagnerrp, yes. sounds about right |
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| [00:54:40] | momelod: | its 4–5 years old |
| [00:54:50] | wagnerrp: | but you may be limited if doing high bitrate and more intensive deinterlacers |
| [00:54:57] | ** wagnerrp has one in one of his frontends ** | |
| [00:55:29] | momelod: | wagnerrp, if i was to upgrade, where would my money best be spent? new cpu, new ram or new video card |
| [00:55:46] | wagnerrp: | all |
| [00:56:12] | wagnerrp: | junk the video card, memory, processor, and motherboard |
| [00:56:13] | sphery: | +1 on all |
| [00:56:30] | wagnerrp: | get a nice Ath X2, with onboard nvidia |
| [00:56:43] | wagnerrp: | that with 2GB of memory should be doable for <<$200 |
| [00:56:50] | sphery: | onboard nvidia is hard to do with modern AMD |
| [00:57:00] | sphery: | I recommend Athlon II or better |
| [00:57:12] | wagnerrp: | or... just replace the video card |
| [00:57:15] | sphery: | dual core still, but Athlon II |
| [00:57:30] | wagnerrp: | 8400GS, GT210 and GT220 seem to be the preferred |
| [00:59:00] | momelod: | really good info. thanks |
| [01:01:35] | wagnerrp: | its just not worth trying to upgrade old systems |
| [01:01:53] | wagnerrp: | DDR1 is expensive, and the clockrates on 939 chips never got high enough to be interesting |
| [01:02:08] | wagnerrp: | and if its a 754 chip, that socket was always garbage |
| [01:06:01] | k-man: | yeah, i concur, its ever worth upgrading |
| [01:06:12] | k-man: | well.. not quite never, but rarely |
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| [01:09:38] | wagnerrp: | i tried doing it once in the socket A days |
| [01:09:57] | wagnerrp: | only to find my KT333 motherboard couldnt actually handle a 333MHz FSB |
| [01:09:59] | wagnerrp: | go figure... |
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| [01:13:13] | k-man: | also, i have found upgrading things, often you encounter incomptabilities – one machine i put 4 gig of ram in it, now the display doesn't work any more |
| [01:13:19] | k-man: | but i can remote desktop to it fine |
| [01:13:59] | k-man: | another time i bought a new cpu for a mb, and found that there was some subtle socket version number that i missed, which prevented the new cpu from working in the old mb |
| [01:15:33] | wagnerrp: | 32-bit machine? |
| [01:16:49] | k-man: | wagnerrp: yeah – i know 32 bit can only make use of ~3 gig, but it was easier for me to get 2 2gig dimms at the time |
| [01:17:05] | wagnerrp: | 32-bit machines can make use of 4 GB |
| [01:17:12] | k-man: | oh... ok |
| [01:17:27] | wagnerrp: | but that is 4GB total, including any video memory, and any other DMA stores |
| [01:17:35] | k-man: | wagnerrp: oh... i see |
| [01:17:55] | wagnerrp: | if the motherboard was pulling all 4GB out of system memory, that video memory would have been unusable, rendering the card unusable |
| [01:18:04] | CKnet: | anyone ever see stuff like this in dmesg? "ivtv1: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0" |
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| [01:18:11] | wagnerrp: | normally, you just lose access to some bit of your system memory |
| [01:18:17] | CyberKnet: | trying to determine if I have a dead card. |
| [01:18:24] | k-man: | wagnerrp: ah... makes sense – i wonder if there is some bios setting i can alter to make it work then |
| [01:19:53] | wagnerrp: | the 3GB limit you are talking about is the standard kernel/user memory split |
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| [01:20:17] | wagnerrp: | each application can use up to 3GB |
| [01:20:29] | wagnerrp: | plus there is an extra 1GB of kernel space shared among all applications |
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| [01:20:58] | k-man: | wagnerrp: this machine is running windows |
| [01:21:38] | wagnerrp: | windows uses a 2GB/2GB split by default |
| [01:21:59] | wagnerrp: | and beyond that, its memory mapping is funky such that you cannot allocate a single block more than 1.2GB or so |
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| [01:22:11] | k-man: | interesting |
| [01:23:53] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo around? |
| [01:25:33] | CyberKnet: | Hmmm... |
| [01:25:52] | CyberKnet: | I think the errors I am referring to are due to bus issues rather than the PVR-500. |
| [01:26:05] | CyberKnet: | But ... I haven't added anything onto the PCI bus lately. |
| [01:26:34] | CyberKnet: | I started doing VDPAU... but I thought that went over PCI Express with NVidia IGP stuff. |
| [01:27:06] | CyberKnet: | Was hoping someone here with more hardware knowledge than me might be able to help me poke a stick around... |
| [01:27:17] | CyberKnet: | It's eitehr new mb/cpu/mem or new capture card. |
| [01:27:23] | CyberKnet: | but not both. |
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| [01:45:34] | ** CyberKnet checks his TCP/IP packets for the "scare everyone off" bit being set ** | |
| [01:45:43] | CyberKnet: | drat. Should have checked earlier. |
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| [01:51:04] | pyther: | Hello |
| [01:51:39] | pyther: | I'm using 0.24, but when I'm trying to edit the commericals (pressing e on a recording) I can't get the menu to insert a cut point, before I was able to press the enter key |
| [01:52:11] | wagnerrp: | commercial editing has changed considerably in 0.24 |
| [01:52:28] | wagnerrp: | press the enter key, move, and press it again to define a cut region |
| [01:52:38] | wagnerrp: | or use the 'm' key to bring up a menu for finer control |
| [01:53:58] | pyther: | ok, thanks, I guess I'll have to get use that |
| [01:55:13] | wagnerrp: | its a lot more intuitive than the old behavior |
| [01:55:21] | wagnerrp: | but at the same time, its drastically different |
| [01:55:36] | wagnerrp: | so you basically have to forget the old procedure and learn the new one from scratch |
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| [01:58:05] | pyther: | wagnerrp: ya |
| [01:58:18] | pyther: | wagnerrp: What does the default transcoding profile default to? |
| [01:58:23] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: not ignoring you, just dont have an answer |
| [01:58:34] | wagnerrp: | pyther: it defaults to whatever you have set to the default for that recording rule |
| [01:58:44] | wagnerrp: | what that defaults to? i dont remember |
| [01:59:12] | pyther: | and so that is based on the group? |
| [01:59:39] | wagnerrp: | based off the recording rule |
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| [02:00:04] | pyther: | Hmm where is the recording rules set do you remember? |
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| [02:00:51] | Twiggy2cents: | pyther make sure you enable recording rules in the backend setup and then you can set them in the settings |
| [02:01:15] | pyther: | ahh must have never done that, but I probably don't have a need for recording rules |
| [02:01:55] | Twiggy2cents: | you can find the rules in the frontend and backend settings but you can only turn them on in the backend settings |
| [02:02:01] | pyther: | I have High,Medium,Low trascoding just to do a loselss mpeg encode |
| [02:02:08] | Twiggy2cents: | just re run the mythtv setup and turn them on |
| [02:03:56] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: didn't mean to infer you were. sorry if I gave you that impression. You're a helpful guy, so I figured you didn't have an answer. |
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| [02:04:30] | pyther: | Twiggy2cents: but do I really need them, I record maybe 10 shows a week |
| [02:05:03] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont bother transcoding at all. It just makes the video suck. If you have the space, leave it as it is |
| [02:05:24] | pyther: | Twiggy2cents: I just cut the commercials out |
| [02:05:41] | pyther: | because I watch the recordings through the upnp or samba share |
| [02:05:44] | pyther: | most of the time |
| [02:05:50] | Twiggy2cents: | that doesnt need a user defined recording rule |
| [02:07:14] | pyther: | yah I didn't think so |
| [02:07:17] | pyther: | thanks wagnerrp and Twiggy2cents |
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| [02:09:41] | CyberKnet: | Is 8200 still the latest GPU put on nVidia IGP solutions? |
| [02:09:55] | CyberKnet: | Given that my board is a little old, I figured there'd be a newer IGP by now... |
| [02:10:16] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [02:10:22] | Beirdo: | naps rule |
| [02:10:58] | CyberKnet: | B! |
| [02:11:23] | Beirdo: | whazzup |
| [02:11:31] | CyberKnet: | Do you run dual HVR-2250's? |
| [02:12:10] | Beirdo: | dual?! |
| [02:12:13] | Beirdo: | heck no |
| [02:12:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [02:12:28] | Beirdo: | the machine has a total of one PCI-E slot |
| [02:12:33] | CyberKnet: | oh. |
| [02:13:52] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: The cause of my missing analog recordings coincides with voluminous dmesg entries of "ivtv1: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0" |
| [02:14:05] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Any suggestions on how to determine if this is the card, or the motherboard? |
| [02:14:33] | Beirdo: | short of putting the card into a different motherboard? not really |
| [02:14:47] | CyberKnet: | :| |
| [02:14:58] | Beirdo: | try a different slot perhaps? |
| [02:15:10] | CyberKnet: | Can't ... don't have another PCI slot unfortunately. |
| [02:15:30] | CyberKnet: | Bought a micro-atx board with the genius idea to pass it on to a frontend when I was done with it |
| [02:15:48] | CyberKnet: | need to realize that I use hardware until it burns... and not to buy today's hardware with tomorrow's use in mind. |
| [02:15:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:15:57] | CyberKnet: | Buy today for today's use. |
| [02:16:04] | Beirdo: | yeah well. |
| [02:16:28] | CyberKnet: | But ... buying a new backend mobo means new mobo, cpu and memory... and potentially video card.... which pretty much precludes a new tv tuner card too. |
| [02:16:44] | CyberKnet: | and if I could just buy a new $115 tuner ... makes live simple(r) |
| [02:17:01] | CyberKnet: | but it would also mean updating to trunk so that I could use teh analog side of the 2250 |
| [02:17:06] | CyberKnet: | 2250(s) |
| [02:17:14] | Beirdo: | well, if you have no other slot to try it in, and no other mobo to try in... |
| [02:17:14] | CyberKnet: | deliberation :| |
| [02:17:27] | CyberKnet: | I could put it in this machine... but it's windows. |
| [02:17:35] | Beirdo: | so update already :) it will be 0.24 in a very short time |
| [02:17:46] | CyberKnet: | I'd still have to buy a 2250 |
| [02:17:53] | CyberKnet: | I have one... but I desire 4 tuners. |
| [02:18:10] | CyberKnet: | and if the -500 is borked (or the PCI bus on the backend and pci-express gets around it) |
| [02:18:33] | Beirdo: | it only fails out one card? |
| [02:18:42] | CyberKnet: | only fails out one tuner on the -500 |
| [02:18:46] | CyberKnet: | my 2250 is working fine |
| [02:18:52] | CyberKnet: | on both tuners |
| [02:19:19] | Beirdo: | odd |
| [02:19:26] | CyberKnet: | My gut feeling is that it's bus related, and not the PVR-500 |
| [02:19:42] | CyberKnet: | I've mentioned before that I don't trust that motherboard. |
| [02:23:57] | CyberKnet: | My bad. I believe both tuners are not responding right this moment. |
| [02:24:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:24:33] | Beirdo: | drop-kick that beotch |
| [02:24:37] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: the 8200 and 8300 are the latest two chipsets offered for AMD sockets |
| [02:24:52] | wagnerrp: | for desktop systems |
| [02:25:02] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: at one point in time earlier I could successfully cat from the second tuner... but right now I can't do either. |
| [02:25:21] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Aaah. that GPU is quite long in the tooth, isn't it? |
| [02:27:03] | wagnerrp: | its not the greatest, but its good enough for any of mythtv's opengl needs |
| [02:27:14] | wagnerrp: | it just cant handle the high end VDPAU deints |
| [02:27:38] | Beirdo: | yeah, maybe the system needs a full power cycle or something? For sure something doesn't sound right |
| [02:29:15] | CyberKnet: | I've rebooted it, but I've not cold booted it. |
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| [02:29:20] | CyberKnet: | I might give that a try. |
| [02:29:31] | Beirdo: | shouldn't be any worse :) |
| [02:29:38] | CyberKnet: | The only major change I can think of that precipitated this is turning on VDPAU |
| [02:29:53] | CyberKnet: | Do you know if the 8200 connects to the northbridge over PCI or PCI Express? |
| [02:30:40] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [02:30:53] | ** CyberKnet googles for a diagram ** | |
| [02:31:07] | Beirdo: | lspci -t might tell ya |
| [02:31:20] | wagnerrp: | neither |
| [02:31:34] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp FTW. |
| [02:31:36] | wagnerrp: | it hooks directly into the hypertransport bus |
| [02:31:54] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [02:31:55] | wagnerrp: | it IS the opposite end of the hypertransport bus, and PROVIDES all PCIe and PCI access |
| [02:32:11] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: You are a fount of knowledge of whose competition has yet to be imagined, let alone born. |
| [02:32:16] | Beirdo: | so it effectively is the northbridge |
| [02:32:44] | wagnerrp: | id say sphery, but hes more a font of all things mailing list archive |
| [02:32:53] | CyberKnet: | heh :) |
| [02:32:54] | ** wagnerrp prods encyclospheria ** | |
| [02:33:00] | CyberKnet: | lol |
| [02:33:07] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [02:33:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:33:34] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: So if I might borrow your knowledge ... do you see any reason that turning VDPAU on might cause DMA errors for a PVR-500 on the PCI bus? |
| [02:33:42] | Beirdo: | OMG, I have just toooo much Scrubs |
| [02:33:58] | [R]: | Beirdo: i have ~200 episdoes of cops... its great for background noise while cooking |
| [02:34:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Unless you mean the last season, I call sacrilege :) |
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| [02:34:20] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: If you mean the current season and episode count >= 1 then I agree. |
| [02:34:27] | CyberKnet: | s/current/last/ |
| [02:34:29] | Beirdo: | my box records 2–4 per day |
| [02:34:44] | Beirdo: | I'm really surprised it hasn't run out of em yet |
| [02:35:48] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Are there a lot of title-less ones that have recorded perhaps? |
| [02:35:56] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [02:36:04] | Beirdo: | every one has episode title |
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| [02:36:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | unscripted content is cheap... there's no telling how many episodes there are of that show. |
| [02:36:31] | Beirdo: | I watched about 12h yesterday |
| [02:36:36] | Beirdo: | sure there is |
| [02:36:55] | Beirdo: | there were a finite number of seasons with a finite number of episodes per season |
| [02:37:08] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Or were there... |
| [02:37:19] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:37:28] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: is there anyway to grab the recording basename from the python bindings? I am not seeing it as a viable option off of the Program object |
| [02:37:28] | CyberKnet: | err... <JD>Or were there...</JD> |
| [02:37:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | there are plenty of shows or franchises you could hit 200 episodes with. |
| [02:37:35] | Beirdo: | where is this show supposed to be... Geographically? |
| [02:37:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | Trek, SG, Law & Order |
| [02:37:47] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Earth, I believe. |
| [02:38:00] | Beirdo: | I know it's NOT Seattle/Tacoma |
| [02:38:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | Cops could be anywhere. |
| [02:38:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | Cops could even be on Tatooine... |
| [02:38:13] | Beirdo: | as Kim moved to Tacoma and it was a long way away |
| [02:38:40] | ekristen: | no way, I think for once wagnerrp isn't here |
| [02:38:43] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: prog.filename.rsplit('/',1)[-1] |
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| [02:39:03] | ekristen: | oh nm, you are here |
| [02:39:14] | wagnerrp: | oh no! |
| [02:39:18] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:40:03] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Given the choice between Kingston ValueRAM and Crucial at the same price point... a person should choose Crucial, right? :) |
| [02:40:12] | ekristen: | thanks wagnerrp, not sure why I didn't think of that |
| [02:40:26] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: I dunno that there's be much difference, honestly |
| [02:40:32] | Beirdo: | I've used both |
| [02:41:02] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: note that the syntax of 'filename' may be different depending on where you pulled the object from |
| [02:41:11] | wagnerrp: | sometimes its a myth URI, sometimes it is the basename |
| [02:41:38] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: good to know |
| [02:41:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: we nixed XvMC, right? |
| [02:41:40] | ekristen: | thanks |
| [02:42:22] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I think it's still technically there, but to be ripped out shortly |
| [02:42:26] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: also note that 'Program.open()' should always work, regardless of where the information from |
| [02:42:43] | ekristen: | is that to open the file as a stream? |
| [02:42:47] | wagnerrp: | ah, i was thinking it was already gone in 0.24 |
| [02:42:55] | Beirdo: | not sure, you might be right |
| [02:43:45] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: yeah I would love to be able to use Program.open() but unfortunately the Boxee API limits how I can provide data for streaming |
| [02:43:46] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: it will always open a file-like object |
| [02:44:22] | wagnerrp: | one that supports at least read() |
| [02:44:35] | wagnerrp: | if you pull over mythproto, you also get seek() |
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| [02:45:01] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I know, I really wish I could |
| [02:45:54] | ekristen: | right now, everyone that is using my app is just creating a samba share |
| [02:46:53] | wagnerrp: | so you can only pass filenames to boxee? |
| [02:46:56] | wagnerrp: | thats crap |
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| [02:48:38] | ekristen: | the api currently is limited to urls, filenames, flash and I think there is one more |
| [02:49:03] | wagnerrp: | so provide a URL |
| [02:50:16] | wagnerrp: | http://backend:6544/Myth/GetRecording?ChanId= . . . format()> |
| [02:50:34] | ekristen: | I've been down the road the XML backend is too limited |
| [02:50:48] | wagnerrp: | even just for file access? |
| [02:50:50] | ekristen: | 1. it only allows for a single connection at a time, 2. you can't skip |
| [02:50:58] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [02:51:12] | wagnerrp: | well... it should support both |
| [02:51:16] | wagnerrp: | since thats what UPNP accesses |
| [02:51:26] | wagnerrp: | i believe it uses those links directly |
| [02:51:26] | ekristen: | I agree, unfortunately that is outside my realm of expertise |
| [02:51:33] | CyberKnet: | Do you get sound over HDMI for PCI Express cards? |
| [02:51:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo? ^^^ |
| [02:52:02] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: you get sound over HDMI for cards with audio codecs |
| [02:52:04] | Beirdo: | you certainly can skip |
| [02:52:28] | Beirdo: | upnp uses byte ranges to do seeking, it seems to work fine with my TV |
| [02:52:29] | wagnerrp: | i mean those MythXML recording URLs, is that the same thing UPNP is told to access? |
| [02:52:38] | Beirdo: | I think so |
| [02:52:40] | wagnerrp: | or do they have some special interface |
| [02:53:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i know upnp does seeking, i used to use it way back in 0.21 on my PS3 |
| [02:53:13] | ekristen: | based off of the research I did into the code was it runs its own single threaded http server |
| [02:53:39] | wagnerrp: | that... i remember someone complaining about the same thing months back |
| [02:53:42] | wagnerrp: | may have been you |
| [02:54:07] | ekristen: | I wouldn't say it was complaining ;) ... but yes I did mention it several months ago when I first started my little project out |
| [02:54:11] | Beirdo: | it isn't single-threaded |
| [02:54:25] | Beirdo: | it uses a threadpool of worker threads |
| [02:54:29] | ekristen: | Beirdo: well the XML interface only allows a single connection at a time |
| [02:54:37] | wagnerrp: | 25 of 'em, as it were |
| [02:54:54] | ekristen: | is that something new in 0.23.1 or 0.24? |
| [02:55:03] | ekristen: | I haven't tried since 0.23.0 |
| [02:55:03] | Beirdo: | ekristen: not so sure about that either |
| [02:55:15] | ekristen: | but only a single stream could run at one time |
| [02:55:26] | Beirdo: | there were 5 worker threads by default until this week |
| [02:55:30] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [02:55:30] | ekristen: | and if something was streaming, you could pull screenshots |
| [02:55:46] | ekristen: | let me test real quick |
| [02:55:59] | Beirdo: | that was due to the number of worker threads available |
| [02:55:59] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Is there a feature they refer to that as? Or is it just a case of researching each card to find out? |
| [02:56:20] | Beirdo: | you use em all up, you have to wait until other things finish |
| [02:56:38] | Beirdo: | hence increasing the max |
| [02:57:10] | Beirdo: | with 5, you will have a hard time streaming + anything as your available threads will diminish rapidly |
| [02:57:21] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: you want an nvidia card, GT2xx or better |
| [02:58:03] | Beirdo: | love my GT220 (which has working HDMI audio) |
| [02:58:16] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: GTS 220 has hdmi audio then? or is it depenendent on implementation? |
| [02:58:22] | ekristen: | yup still only allows one active connection at a time |
| [02:58:25] | Beirdo: | took a newer alsa than default in ubuntu 10.04 |
| [02:58:32] | ekristen: | I am streaming something right now over the XML interface |
| [02:58:37] | Beirdo: | ekristen: you still using 0.23? |
| [02:58:45] | ekristen: | and now I can't even load http://192.168.1.210:6544/Myth/GetRecorded |
| [02:58:50] | ekristen: | to see what recordings are available |
| [02:58:53] | ekristen: | I am using 0.23.1 |
| [02:58:55] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: any card with an HDMI port will |
| [02:58:56] | Beirdo: | right |
| [02:59:27] | Beirdo: | ekristen: put a setting in your DB: ThreadPool/HTTP/Max with a value of 25 or so, host of NULL |
| [02:59:35] | Beirdo: | then restart your backend and try again |
| [02:59:44] | ekristen: | one second |
| [03:00:09] | CyberKnet: | Looking at the 210 that sphery linked earlier... |
| [03:00:24] | CyberKnet: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130541 |
| [03:00:40] | CyberKnet: | It does have HDMI connector. |
| [03:00:54] | CyberKnet: | Just wasn't sure if that also meant HDMI audio, or just a hardware DVI->HDMI adapter... |
| [03:01:14] | Beirdo: | it will likely have it showing up as an ALSA driver |
| [03:01:30] | Beirdo: | with a recent enough version of ALSA, and maybe a wee bit of tweaking |
| [03:02:01] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: above and beyond what it took for the 8200 IGP? |
| [03:02:10] | Beirdo: | I never used it |
| [03:02:24] | Beirdo: | it was pretty simple, and info easily googlable |
| [03:02:30] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Aaah, ok. I assume the answer is yes though, because HDMI audio "Just Worked" with mythbuntu 10.04 |
| [03:02:42] | CyberKnet: | for the 8200 IGP in it right now. |
| [03:02:50] | ekristen: | Beirdo: that did the trick |
| [03:02:52] | Beirdo: | the GT2x0 needs a newer driver version |
| [03:02:57] | CyberKnet: | gotcha. |
| [03:03:04] | ekristen: | now I need to go test inside my app |
| [03:03:08] | Beirdo: | ekristen: right, had to increase the size of the threadpool |
| [03:03:19] | Beirdo: | 25 is the default for 0.24 |
| [03:03:36] | ekristen: | ok sweet, I'll do some testing inside my app and see what happens |
| [03:03:40] | ekristen: | thanks for that |
| [03:03:48] | Beirdo: | no problem |
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| [03:11:13] | ekristen: | Boxee won't pull open the stream though, but VLC will thats odd, I've never had that happen before |
| [03:11:37] | wagnerrp: | looks like zoomplayer doesnt like them either |
| [03:12:20] | Beirdo: | Well, once you try with 0.24, maybe we can debug the issues... after 0.24 is out :) |
| [03:12:40] | ekristen: | whats the projected release for 0.24 |
| [03:13:17] | Beirdo: | I think we are down to counting hours on appendages |
| [03:13:30] | wagnerrp: | tomorrow, supposedly |
| [03:13:50] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [03:14:24] | [R]: | ok, i'm gonna miss like 7 minutes on a show |
| [03:14:26] | [R]: | its recording right now |
| [03:14:29] | [R]: | how can i extend it? |
| [03:14:48] | ** Beirdo quotes Carla from Scrubs... "If you say "That's what she said" one more time, I swear I'm gonna brain you" ** | |
| [03:15:00] | [R]: | Beirdo: brain is a verb? |
| [03:15:10] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [03:15:11] | wagnerrp: | building my font cache?? stupid VLC |
| [03:15:27] | wagnerrp: | [R]: i know you can in mythweb |
| [03:15:32] | wagnerrp: | not sure about the frontend UI |
| [03:15:57] | [R]: | i clicked 'sstill recording: edit' |
| [03:16:04] | [R]: | is that gonna edit the instance or the schedule? |
| [03:16:13] | wagnerrp: | the instance |
| [03:16:14] | Beirdo: | just do it |
| [03:16:18] | [R]: | Beirdo: NIKE |
| [03:16:30] | Beirdo: | if it changes the schedule, change it back after the show ;) |
| [03:17:03] | [R]: | its the schedule |
| [03:17:07] | [R]: | ok, ill fix it |
| [03:18:15] | wagnerrp: | note to self, zombies cant climb ladders |
| [03:18:21] | [R]: | wagnerrp: where did you learn that? |
| [03:18:39] | wagnerrp: | Walking Dead |
| [03:18:43] | [R]: | never heard of it |
| [03:18:48] | Beirdo: | at work |
| [03:19:08] | wagnerrp: | on AMC |
| [03:19:11] | wagnerrp: | you should record it |
| [03:19:15] | [R]: | amc? |
| [03:19:17] | [R]: | i think not |
| [03:19:46] | wagnerrp: | its a zombie survival series |
| [03:19:55] | [R]: | i dont even think i have AMC in my lineup |
| [03:20:08] | [R]: | but i DO have tcm... i really should remove that crap |
| [03:21:13] | [R]: | i think this undercover boss is gonna be stupid |
| [03:22:15] | wagnerrp: | zombie horror is stupid, but lets all watch reality tv |
| [03:22:27] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [03:22:28] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:22:41] | [R]: | but this isn't reality tv |
| [03:22:52] | [R]: | this is just watching a guy make a fool of himself |
| [03:23:41] | wagnerrp: | im watching people pop zombies |
| [03:24:02] | [R]: | when rigley was built it held 23k people and now 40k people goto it |
| [03:24:04] | [R]: | how does that work? |
| [03:24:17] | [R]: | push the wall out and put more stands? |
| [03:25:30] | wagnerrp: | space folding |
| [03:25:43] | [R]: | is that like warp travel? |
| [03:25:44] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:25:55] | wagnerrp: | you ever see ultraviolet? |
| [03:26:00] | [R]: | wahts that? |
| [03:26:46] | wagnerrp: | a movie |
| [03:27:12] | [R]: | 92, 01, 06? |
| [03:27:14] | wagnerrp: | an awful blend of big brother and vampires, starring the resident evil chick |
| [03:27:52] | wagnerrp: | (big brother the abusive government concept, not the primetime voyeurism show) |
| [03:28:03] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:28:18] | [R]: | 06... |
| [03:28:31] | [R]: | A beautiful hemophage infected with a virus that gives her superhuman powers has to protect a boy in a futuristic world, who is thought to be carrying antigens that would destroy all hemophages. |
| [03:29:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, she seems to like that virus-given superhuman powers character |
| [03:29:14] | [R]: | sounds lame |
| [03:29:51] | [R]: | 3/10 stars |
| [03:30:09] | wagnerrp: | vampire virus superpowers, zombie virus superpowers, supreme being superpowers |
| [03:32:04] | wagnerrp: | somehow i think its a bad idea to go into the sewers with zombies about |
| [03:32:30] | [R]: | why? |
| [03:32:41] | wagnerrp: | its dark? |
| [03:32:48] | [R]: | oh |
| [03:33:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | toy story 3 is darker than Ultraviolet. |
| [03:33:25] | wagnerrp: | you cant see the zombies coming in the dark |
| [03:33:41] | wagnerrp: | sure, whats the chance that zombies would be in the sewers |
| [03:34:01] | wagnerrp: | but maybe someone got bit, fled to the sewers... and zombieified |
| [03:34:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | mebbe they like to eat rats and gators... |
| [03:34:42] | ekristen: | alright, night everyone, thanks for the insight Beirdo and wagnerrp |
| [03:35:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | AMC is great for the sorts of classic sci-fi movies that "syfy" should be playing but doesn't. |
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| [03:35:37] | [R]: | i wonder if i could write a patch so when you eidt the recording in mythweb it makes a new instance and doesnt echange the schedule |
| [03:35:46] | [R]: | i nkwo when you select "record this" or "don't record this" it creats a new instance |
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| [03:36:12] | wagnerrp: | what are you wanting to do? |
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| [03:36:51] | [R]: | create a new rule for whats currently recording, with a change, like extended time |
| [03:36:53] | [R]: | and not modify the rule |
| [03:36:55] | [R]: | existing* |
| [03:37:22] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure it tells the backend directly, rather than adjusts the rule |
| [03:37:29] | [R]: | i just triued it |
| [03:37:31] | [R]: | and it adjusted the rule |
| [03:41:39] | k-man: | does dvb have a way to transmit subtitles as an image as opposed to over teletext? |
| [03:42:14] | k-man: | teletext is ascii right? |
| [03:43:15] | k-man: | ah, apparantly it can be bitmaped or code based |
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| [03:47:21] | sphery: | [R]: did you go into recorded programs, then select, "Still Recording: Edit" |
| [03:47:49] | [R]: | sphery: yes |
| [03:47:59] | [R]: | sphery: than i changed the "end late" |
| [03:48:12] | [R]: | sphery: and when i check my upcoming recordings, it changed the ones in the future |
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| [03:52:53] | wagnerrp: | ah, she was in Prison Break... wondered where i recognized someone in Walking Dead from |
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| [03:56:40] | Obligatory: | Hiya. |
| [03:59:35] | sphery: | [R]: Just tried it. You need to select, "Record this specific showing," to create the override rule. |
| [04:00:12] | [R]: | ah |
| [04:00:22] | sphery: | thanks for mentioning it, though |
| [04:00:26] | [R]: | makes sense |
| [04:00:42] | wagnerrp: | the kid can drive... |
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| [04:02:39] | sphery: | [R]: seems that football went 1hr 7min overtime today, so my undercover boss was amazing race, and my 1hr end late for csi: miami would have had undercover boss but only the first 50-some minutes of csi:miami |
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| [04:03:00] | sphery: | thanks to you, I just extended it another 20mins :) |
| [04:03:11] | [R]: | yeah, i started undercover boss like 15 minutes into it |
| [04:03:27] | [R]: | thats how i caught it |
| [04:03:49] | [R]: | i ws only off by the 7 minutes though |
| [04:04:35] | sphery: | my 1hr end late was 7min off |
| [04:04:46] | sphery: | or do you mean they skipped one of the shows on your broadcast? |
| [04:05:02] | sphery: | 60 Minutes or Amazing Race or something? |
| [04:06:01] | [R]: | the game was scheduled 2 to 5 |
| [04:06:05] | [R]: | 5–530 was wrapup |
| [04:06:12] | [R]: | and 60 minutes was 6 |
| [04:06:20] | [R]: | undercover boss was 8... and it started 7 minutes late |
| [04:06:57] | sphery: | ah, so central or mountain time or something |
| [04:07:16] | [R]: | is it still daylight savings? |
| [04:07:46] | sphery: | here game stuff went to 7, then 60min at 7, amazing race at 8, undercover boss at 9, csi: miami at 10 |
| [04:08:02] | sphery: | no, it ended here |
| [04:08:13] | sphery: | today, actually |
| [04:08:13] | [R]: | yeah, i'm mountain than |
| [04:08:39] | sphery: | are you in AZ or something? |
| [04:08:41] | [R]: | yeah |
| [04:08:42] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:08:46] | sphery: | ah, makes sense |
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| [04:08:58] | sphery: | I wish FL would drop DST |
| [04:09:02] | sphery: | they've proposed it |
| [04:09:06] | sphery: | don't expect it to happen |
| [04:09:44] | Chat0027: | hey |
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| [04:10:29] | [R]: | i really wish i had trutv hd :( |
| [04:10:30] | Obligatory: | Anybody good with JP1 remotes? There's some linux kernel module docs that imply 'i2c-parport' & 'eeprom' can be combined to work with JP1, but the few docs don't say how. |
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| [04:11:39] | sphery: | heh, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#Politics, "In the mid-1980s, Clorox (parent of Kingsford Charcoal) and 7-Eleven provided the primary funding for the Daylight Saving Time Coalition behind the 1987 extension to U.S. DST, and both Idaho senators voted for it based on the premise that during DST fast-food restaurants sell more French fries, which are made from Idaho potatoes;[3]" |
| [04:12:10] | sphery: | and "In 2005, the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association and the National Association of Convenience Stores successfully lobbied for the 2007 extension to U.S. DST.[76]" |
| [04:12:32] | wagnerrp: | so its to get people to spend more... fantastic |
| [04:12:57] | sphery: | terribly-written paragraph, though--flip-flops between US and Ausstralia |
| [04:13:34] | sphery: | sure, chronologically ordered, but /not/ logically ordered |
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| [04:15:09] | sphery: | Shouldn't there be a paragraph in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#Complexity or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#Computing about how DST transitions don't work on iOS 4? :) |
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| [04:18:06] | Obligatory: | No JP1-ers, tnx, bye... |
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| [04:30:33] | wagnerrp: | dialup? wow... |
| [04:31:02] | wagnerrp: | been more than a decade since ive touched that poison |
| [04:31:47] | [R]: | dialup? |
| [04:31:51] | [R]: | what's that? |
| [04:31:59] | [R]: | :) |
| [04:32:20] | [R]: | aparently harmonicas are hand made |
| [04:32:21] | sphery: | woah, simpson's treehouse of horror episode was late this year |
| [04:32:39] | sphery: | I thought it was a re-run since Halloween is over, and almost deleted it |
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| [06:42:53] | deegan: | I'm looking to invest in a new GPU for one of my HTPC's. Currently it's has a Asus M2A-VM motherboard with onboard ATI X1250 GPU and the problem with that in linux is the drivers are complete crap, i've tolerated it for a long time but since ATI dropped support for legacycards it's pretty much been standing there doing nothing. Anyway i'm going to get a nvidia card since it has VDPAU but i cant really make up my mind. |
| [06:43:16] | [R]: | anything that supports vdpau is fine |
| [06:43:34] | [R]: | some people freak out becuase some don't suppport the super xtreme deinterlacers |
| [06:43:37] | [R]: | but i use the basic one... and its fine |
| [06:43:47] | deegan: | I read through this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . T220;#417447 and was even before that seriously considering a 210 or a 220, but the price difference for a 430 from zotac, http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1046/pg . . . gt-430.html, is like $3 USD – would that be a better choice? |
| [06:44:04] | deegan: | Oh ok, i thought it was a big deal with the interlace stuff. |
| [06:44:25] | wagnerrp: | the 220 is the minimum for support of all deint filters at 1080i60 |
| [06:44:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if a 430 can |
| [06:44:58] | [R]: | i dont pay attention if i'm watching 1080i or 720p... but i never see anything |
| [06:45:54] | deegan: | wagnerrp: what would be the dealbreaker there? Is it the amount of shaders available? |
| [06:46:21] | wagnerrp: | its a different architecture, theyre not directly comparable |
| [06:47:25] | deegan: | hrms, the only one the computershop i use here in sweden has listed (ASUS GEFORCE GT 220 BRAVO 1GB DDR2 PCI-E VGA/DVI/HDMI SILENT) is out of stock. :( |
| [06:47:37] | deegan: | it does however have both 210 and 430's.. ngh.. |
| [06:47:49] | wagnerrp: | looks like the 430 is consistently 50–75% more powerful than the 430 |
| [06:47:54] | wagnerrp: | so i suppose that one should be fine |
| [06:49:53] | wagnerrp: | seems to do slightly better idling as well |
| [06:51:45] | deegan: | sounds good, it was actually a tinsy bit cheaper than the GT220 about 10crows (1 USD = ~6 crows) :) |
| [06:51:58] | deegan: | s/crows/crowns |
| [06:52:50] | wagnerrp: | Swedish? |
| [06:53:01] | deegan: | Yes. |
| [06:53:25] | [R]: | MS in SD&M... does anyone else think that sounds dirty? |
| [06:53:53] | deegan: | Sounds like one of those "this is not <insert title>, XXX Parody" movies. |
| [06:54:01] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:54:10] | wagnerrp: | system design and management? |
| [06:54:16] | [R]: | Software Development and Management |
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| [08:29:06] | deegan: | there we go, new GPU ordered. :) |
| [08:29:16] | deegan: | I want it now! |
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| [08:41:52] | KaZeR: | hi there. |
| [08:42:02] | KaZeR: | is anyone using multiple audio streams with the tv? |
| [08:42:32] | KaZeR: | some of the sat channels i have are provided with 2 audios streams, but i currently can get only the first one |
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| [10:03:12] | Lala_Chersi: | hi there ....... can some one tell me how to install myth tv on fedora .... cuz when i use yum it gives me errors |
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| [13:58:03] | CyberKnet: | morning. |
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| [13:59:24] | purplefrog: | Well, I finally decided to upgrade my mythtv from 0.20 to 0.22, except the database upgrade process seems to be failing miserably. |
| [13:59:45] | purplefrog: | " You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ':GROUP AND hostname = :HOSTNAME' at line 1 " |
| [14:00:43] | purplefrog: | My initial suspicion is that I need to upgrade to 0.21 and then to 0.22. How do I do that? |
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| [14:06:34] | peitolm: | Is there a quick way to say 'all schedules that could record from channel N, use Channel NHD instead' ? |
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| [14:21:06] | skd5aner: | purplefrog: you should be able to upgrade from .20 directly to .22... however, if I were you, I would consider upgrading to 0.24, which should be released in the next day or two (or three) |
| [14:22:45] | purplefrog: | The gentoo ebuilds for 0.23 haven't stabilized yet. |
| [14:25:27] | purplefrog: | I'm not bold enough to write an ebuild for 0.24 |
| [14:27:35] | purplefrog: | Anyway, I'm stuck between versions right now, and google searches provide me with absolutely no clues how to solve this problem. |
| [14:28:21] | skd5aner: | well, not sure what to tell you regarding gentoo |
| [14:28:28] | skd5aner: | I mean, 0.23's been out for 10 months... |
| [14:28:53] | peitolm: | you could always accept the unstable flag for mythtv |
| [14:29:32] | purplefrog: | Do you really think that upgrading from 0.20 to 0.23 will work out better than upgrading from 0.20 to 0.22? I mean I already have a smoking crater I need to sort out. |
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| [14:31:52] | purplefrog: | I suppose I could completely destroy the mysql database and let it create a fresh schema, but I'd still want a way to import my old data. |
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| [14:32:39] | CyberKnet: | purplefrog: whoa buddy. Highly recommend not destroying databases. |
| [14:32:52] | CyberKnet: | At least tke a backup of it... rename it at best :) |
| [14:33:02] | CyberKnet: | big fan of renaming them. heh. |
| [14:33:07] | purplefrog: | Yeah, I have backups running daily. |
| [14:33:33] | purplefrog: | The trick is figuring out how to take the old data and loading it into the new database. |
| [14:33:39] | CyberKnet: | when I last had to reinstall, it was so nice to just have to rename the DB, then do the appropriate inserts for the old recordings directly from one DB to the other. |
| [14:33:43] | purplefrog: | The mythtv-setup program already failed to do it :/ |
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| [14:33:52] | CyberKnet: | purplefrog: Yeah, that can be difficult. |
| [14:34:14] | CyberKnet: | purplefrog: and unfortunately, the web page I usually go to is officially out of date as of last reinstall |
| [14:34:19] | sgsax: | think I made some progress on my tv out problem last night |
| [14:34:37] | CyberKnet: | http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html |
| [14:34:41] | CyberKnet: | that's what I used to use |
| [14:34:42] | sgsax: | think I've got a bad video card |
| [14:35:17] | CyberKnet: | purplefrog: but like I said, I'm pretty sure it was out of date and insufficient when I went to use it last time. |
| [14:35:21] | purplefrog: | That migrate-recordings.html page is if your schema is identical between the two boxes. |
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| [14:35:38] | purplefrog: | I have yet to find a web page that explains how to migrate stuff from one schema to another. |
| [14:36:00] | CyberKnet: | purplefrog: the mysqldump export command doesn't generate fully qualified inserts? |
| [14:36:04] | purplefrog: | If only mythtv had some kind of stable interchange format people could use to transfer recordings from a box running one version to a box running another version. |
| [14:36:15] | purplefrog: | No clue, I just assume that columns have changed. |
| [14:36:33] | purplefrog: | If it was an simple database upgrade mythtv-setup wouldn't be exploding on me. |
| [14:36:54] | CyberKnet: | purplefrog: Yeah, then you're going to have to put more effort into it I guess. I'd have both dbs running on the same mysql instance and do some exploration with phpmyadmin |
| [14:37:05] | CyberKnet: | but I'm not exactly SQL-shy... YMMV. |
| [14:37:37] | purplefrog: | I've done correlated subqueries in the from clause , but I was hoping for a quick fix. |
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| [14:39:27] | CyberKnet: | Guess I wasn't helpful enough :| |
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| [14:55:28] | ** CyberKnet wonders if Gibby is an iCarly fan. ** | |
| [14:57:54] | Gibby: | I don't even know what iCarly is..... |
| [14:59:03] | CyberKnet: | TV show my 2 year old daughter watches. |
| [14:59:10] | CyberKnet: | has a character named Gibby. |
| [14:59:20] | ** RyeBrye thinks CyberKnet secretly wants to get with Carly ** | |
| [14:59:38] | CyberKnet: | ummm... |
| [15:00:02] | CyberKnet: | Society has a name for men who do that. |
| [15:00:07] | CyberKnet: | I am not among them. |
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| [15:03:32] | stevieman: | Is there still a problem with Analog TV scanning in myth .23? |
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| [15:10:07] | Gibby: | nah.., it is based off of my last name |
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| [15:18:37] | stevieman: | Are the channel icons in mythtv 132x99? |
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| [15:45:00] | stevieman: | IS there a way to delete a single capture card in Mythtv? Mythtv-backend is telling my 2 of my cards are set to channel "Please Add" but I have the Video Source set to (None). The only solution I can think of is to delete and re add the offending cards. |
| [15:46:27] | wagnerrp: | 'd' in mythtv-setup |
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| [16:04:07] | skd5aner: | release today? pretty please?!?! :D |
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| [16:06:15] | sgsax: | oh boy |
| [16:06:25] | sgsax: | ir transmitter != receiver |
| [16:06:29] | sgsax: | <-- idiot |
| [16:06:35] | wagnerrp: | cant, too busy dealing with half-wits on the wiki |
| [16:09:00] | skd5aner: | what articles? |
| [16:09:26] | ** skd5aner can't decide if he should upgrade ubuntu from 10.04 to 10.10 ** | |
| [16:09:27] | wagnerrp: | the optimizing performance stuff |
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| [16:09:43] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: hmmm, just referred to that article for the first time in probably 2 years last week |
| [16:09:55] | wagnerrp: | they just cant help themselves... the are subconsciously drawn to running sans window manager |
| [16:10:00] | wagnerrp: | and have to spew it out over the wiki |
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| [16:10:18] | wagnerrp: | and the whole concept of running a mysql server on a memory disk? |
| [16:10:22] | ** wagnerrp shudders ** | |
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| [16:11:17] | sgsax: | but it's MOAR FASTAR that way, isn't it? |
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| [16:20:12] | wagnerrp: | !seen kormoc |
| [16:20:13] | MythLogBot: | kormoc was last seen 17 hours 32 minutes 46 seconds ago |
| [16:20:19] | wagnerrp: | huh... |
| [16:24:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you recognize any 'tommyg' from the mailing list? |
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| [16:29:24] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: thanks, worked like a charm |
| [16:31:14] | stevieman: | Where are the mythtv logs? When I try to launch Watch TV I get a Please wait message and then it dumps me back to the main menu |
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| [16:32:18] | wagnerrp: | where ever your run scripts tell it to put them |
| [16:32:21] | wagnerrp: | try /var/log/mythtv |
| [16:32:31] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: yep, just found it |
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| [16:37:40] | stevieman: | Can anyone see a problem in this error log? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/15fpYwji I don't see anything that would indicate what the issue might be. |
| [16:38:17] | wagnerrp: | problem is... youre reading the frontend log rather than the backend |
| [16:38:28] | wagnerrp: | problems with livetv are almost always in the backend |
| [16:38:42] | stevieman: | ok |
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| [16:41:14] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: thanks, it was a permissions error |
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| [17:10:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: don't recognize the name |
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| [17:43:54] | CyberKnet: | quiet in here today... |
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| [17:47:17] | wagnerrp: | too quiet... |
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| [17:50:52] | CyberKnet: | It's as if millions of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced... |
| [17:50:56] | CyberKnet: | Or not. |
| [17:51:20] | wagnerrp: | no, just smooph |
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| [17:52:07] | CyberKnet: | smooph... your connection is about as reliable as my work's wifi connection... |
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| [17:54:46] | cbovy: | hi! I'm having a problem with running mythshutdown -t from a script. Socket stalls. Running the same command from terminal works perfect. Any idea? |
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| [17:57:12] | cbovy: | last message: MythSocket(989710:8): write -> 8 19 QUERY_GETALLPENDING and then Waiting on select.. |
| [17:58:08] | CyberKnet: | no idea sorry cbovy. I don't use mythshutdown |
| [17:58:14] | wagnerrp: | what are the last bits in the backend log when that happens? |
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| [17:58:50] | cbovy: | MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0x18983a0) |
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| [17:59:00] | cbovy: | MythSocket(18983a0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
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| [18:00:17] | cbovy: | When I configure it the way described at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup#Integrate_into_mythTV, everything works. But, I would like to add a script to set the wakeup time. The script will set the wake-up time with mythshutdown -t. |
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| [18:02:48] | cbovy: | backend and mythshutdown -t logs: http://pastebin.com/3reQPQBH |
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| [18:03:28] | cbovy: | Could it be that the amount of sockets is limited by MySQL? |
| [18:03:53] | wagnerrp: | MySQL doesnt factor into play at any time |
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| [18:04:38] | cbovy: | wagnerrp: ok. thanks |
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| [18:06:57] | ** wagnerrp gets some perverse pleasure out of telling pirates to simply 'extract the idx/sub files rather than bother with OCR software' ** | |
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| [18:08:07] | wagnerrp: | 'i dont know what youre talking about man, i just downloaded this from a torrent' |
| [18:08:28] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [18:08:42] | CyberKnet: | "you have the disc still, right? |
| [18:08:44] | CyberKnet: | :) |
| [18:09:47] | wagnerrp: | disc? you mean the hard drive i downloaded it to? |
| [18:09:53] | CyberKnet: | hah |
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| [18:11:58] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you rule :) |
| [18:12:19] | wagnerrp: | ? |
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| [18:12:27] | wagnerrp: | there he goes again... |
| [18:12:29] | Beirdo: | giving pirates a hard time... +1 |
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| [18:12:45] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: why did you opt for GT 220 over a GT210? |
| [18:12:51] | Beirdo: | smooph1: fix your link |
| [18:13:08] | cbovy: | running mythshutdown -t from a script malfunctions, but running mythshutdown -w works flawlessly. |
| [18:13:15] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: I needed low profile, and that was the best low profile card I could find for a decent price |
| [18:13:16] | wagnerrp: | someone on mythtvtalk, wondering why they werent getting subtitles for their mkvs and avis when they have the srts right there in the folder |
| [18:13:22] | Beirdo: | cbovy: we heard you the first time |
| [18:13:37] | Beirdo: | cbovy: you running them as the same user? |
| [18:13:40] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I see. So this would have fit the bill? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134085 |
| [18:14:05] | Beirdo: | should do :) |
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| [18:14:34] | wagnerrp: | thats a pretty tall card |
| [18:14:36] | cbovy: | Beirdo: yes, I do. I'm just providing some more details I discovered during my investigation. |
| [18:14:41] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127516 |
| [18:14:46] | Beirdo: | that's the one I have |
| [18:14:56] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I think the card is low profile, but the HS is not, perhaps... but the market it as low profile |
| [18:15:04] | Beirdo: | and took the tall backplate off, put on the low profile one |
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| [18:15:31] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: what did you give for it? |
| [18:15:50] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: low profile means it will fit in a half-height slot |
| [18:16:02] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with whether it is too tall and will take multiple slots |
| [18:16:11] | Beirdo: | that one is low profile, but your heat sing is a bit high |
| [18:16:19] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: I meant that the heatsink looked too high for a half height slot. |
| [18:16:28] | Beirdo: | $72.99 |
| [18:16:38] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: k. A while ago, I take it? |
| [18:16:44] | Beirdo: | Oct 19 |
| [18:16:53] | CyberKnet: | gotcha. |
| [18:17:01] | wagnerrp: | unless the edge of your slot buts up right against the side (top) of your case, that shouldnt be a problem |
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| [18:17:11] | Beirdo: | yeah, it SHOULD be OK |
| [18:17:20] | Beirdo: | but no guarantees, depends on the case |
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| [18:17:38] | CyberKnet: | moot point, I suppose. I don't have a low profile case. |
| [18:18:15] | CyberKnet: | Liked the idea of no fan though... but my case gets *really* poor circulation. |
| [18:18:25] | CyberKnet: | gets quite hot in there. |
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| [18:19:08] | CyberKnet: | of course, I suppose it could be that blowing hot air onto a heat sink isn't going to cool *too* much more than just radiating heat into hot air. |
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| [18:19:49] | gregL: | When I delete a recording,it seems to delete,but then shows up again..I had this problem a few years ago,but I don't remember,what I did to resolve it..Any ideas where to look? |
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| [18:20:50] | gregL: | I have ran all the database utilities,but nothing seems to help.. |
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| [18:26:51] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: you could put a PCI slot squirrel cage blower right in front of the video card to exhaust hot air |
| [18:27:03] | Beirdo: | if ya got the backplate slots |
| [18:27:48] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Cards these days that would be a total of three slots taken up by a GPU. :P |
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| [18:28:11] | Beirdo: | WTH |
| [18:28:14] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Poor circulation is because of a blown 120mm case fan |
| [18:28:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | a GPU can be bigger than some entire systems... '-) |
| [18:28:29] | SteveGoodey: | gregL: Have you checked the file permissions on the file you're trying to delete? |
| [18:28:30] | Beirdo: | a recording last night got a "Welcome to DirecTV" page recording |
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| [18:28:43] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: buy a new fan, you silly boy |
| [18:28:54] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Am on the page now :) |
| [18:29:51] | CyberKnet: | 40 CFM @ 10dBA for $9 ... I might go with that one. |
| [18:30:12] | wagnerrp: | 40CFM and only 10dB |
| [18:30:15] | wagnerrp: | i call shenanigans |
| [18:30:19] | CyberKnet: | or 40CFM @ 19dBA for $8 |
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| [18:30:22] | Beirdo: | check the type of bearings |
| [18:30:34] | gregL: | SteveGoodey, No I haven't,I will check that thanks.. |
| [18:30:51] | CyberKnet: | the 40@10.7dBA is a Sleeve bearing |
| [18:30:52] | CyberKnet: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185057 |
| [18:31:00] | Beirdo: | sleeve bearings are not at all good for vertical orientation |
| [18:31:10] | CyberKnet: | that's good to know. |
| [18:31:15] | CyberKnet: | I know nothing of bearings. |
| [18:31:28] | CyberKnet: | The other one said "Long Life Bearing" |
| [18:31:32] | CyberKnet: | very helpful of it. |
| [18:31:39] | Beirdo: | those are the cheap ones that wear out and start to honk :) |
| [18:31:50] | CyberKnet: | What kind of bearing do I want in a vertical orientation then? |
| [18:32:05] | CyberKnet: | preferrably one that is dust-immune since that is what killed the last fan. :D |
| [18:32:15] | ** CyberKnet has a house that seems to be a dust magnet ** | |
| [18:32:27] | Beirdo: | ball bearing, I think maybe rifle... |
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| [18:32:41] | Beirdo: | not sure how the fluid dynamic work, but they may work too |
| [18:33:08] | CyberKnet: | Oh come on. This one has sound measured in Sone. |
| [18:33:36] | wagnerrp: | sleeve bearings are going to be quieter than ball if horizontal |
| [18:33:44] | wagnerrp: | but theyll be noisy and die early vertically |
| [18:33:50] | wagnerrp: | ball are decent all-around |
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| [18:33:58] | wagnerrp: | FDB are better all around |
| [18:34:15] | Beirdo: | fluid dynamic seem to be reasonable given the info on wikipedia |
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| [18:34:38] | CyberKnet: | stupid non-standard measurements |
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| [18:34:46] | sphery: | gregL: didn't read all of scrollback, but a recording that deletes and then re-appears is not due to database issues--it's due to file handling issues (such as incorrect permissions on the file itself) |
| [18:34:54] | wagnerrp: | ive got a big 120x38mm panaflo FDB that has been running non-stop for probably 5 years now |
| [18:35:03] | wagnerrp: | the bearing itself isnt audible |
| [18:35:09] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:35:19] | Beirdo: | then the sound comes down to blade shape? |
| [18:35:20] | wagnerrp: | really, the only noise it makes is the sound of air impinging on the heatsink below |
| [18:35:29] | sphery: | It's all about bearings these days. |
| [18:35:43] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Yeah, or in my case ... the case grill behind it. |
| [18:35:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, proper blade shape, proper spar geometry, and low RPM |
| [18:35:49] | Beirdo: | sleeve are fine for fans that will lie horizontal... for life :) |
| [18:35:57] | sphery: | er, It's all ball bearings nowadays. |
| [18:36:00] | clever: | ive had about 4 fan bearings fail on me so far, 2 on the redhat server and 2 inside the cisco router |
| [18:36:06] | sphery: | seems I need to re-watch that |
| [18:36:07] | clever: | the cisco ones might just need some oil |
| [18:36:08] | wagnerrp: | you dont want the spars to be parallel to the trailing edge |
| [18:36:20] | wagnerrp: | since that creates buffeting as the entire blade passes the spar at once |
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| [18:36:39] | Beirdo: | almost every CPU fan failure I've had was a ceased sleeve bearing |
| [18:36:48] | wagnerrp: | if theyre off at a significant angle, that noise is averaged over a longer period, and there is no distinctive 'pulse' |
| [18:36:50] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: ahhh, that does make sense |
| [18:37:07] | Beirdo: | I sense some engineering sneaking in :) |
| [18:37:17] | CyberKnet: | Warning: Science Content! |
| [18:37:20] | CyberKnet: | :P |
| [18:37:49] | wagnerrp: | ive got more than just this piece of paper to say im a rocket scientist... :) |
| [18:37:59] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: that would explain why the Scythe fins are so "aggressive" looking to me. |
| [18:38:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [18:38:52] | CyberKnet: | Of course, then there is taking it to the extreme.... http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/35 . . . -Z02?$S300W$ |
| [18:38:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: the problems i had was that the bearing would fail and it would rattle as it spun |
| [18:39:07] | clever: | it rattled so much that it lost velocity, and slowed down, causing it to stabalize |
| [18:39:14] | clever: | then it ramped back up and did it all over! |
| [18:39:27] | wagnerrp: | you dont want oil |
| [18:39:31] | wagnerrp: | oil dries up |
| [18:39:34] | wagnerrp: | get some graphite |
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| [18:40:07] | clever: | 100mbit cisco with 2 dead fans vs 1gigabit smaller switch |
| [18:40:11] | clever: | not much of a contest :P |
| [18:40:20] | clever: | all i lost was the managed switch features and the noise |
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| [18:40:57] | gizmobay: | Flash streaming through mythweb was working. Now it isn't for unknown reasons. I looked in the settings and it shows ffmpeg with mp3 support not detected. What am I missing? |
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| [18:41:13] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg with mp3 support |
| [18:41:17] | sphery: | ffmpeg with ... |
| [18:41:19] | sphery: | too slow |
| [18:41:34] | gizmobay: | But I didn't change nothing |
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| [18:42:25] | CyberKnet: | When you guys were talking about spar and fin and whatnot ... this is an example of what I would not want? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835191013 |
| [18:42:37] | SteveGoodey: | gizmobay: So you changed something – double negative:-) |
| [18:42:44] | CyberKnet: | where the curvature of the blade is pretty close to the supporting cross member? |
| [18:43:40] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: yes, that is an example of how not to do it |
| [18:43:50] | CyberKnet: | just wanted to make sure I understood. |
| [18:43:51] | gizmobay: | I didn't change a thing |
| [18:43:53] | CyberKnet: | thanks wagneerp |
| [18:43:53] | wagnerrp: | and that gap between the blades and the duct? awful... |
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| [18:46:15] | gizmobay: | hmm, synaptic says it's installed but it's not there |
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| [18:47:04] | CyberKnet: | Hmm... I don't see panaflow fans on newegg any more. |
| [18:47:35] | CyberKnet: | or I didn't know what I was searching for. |
| [18:47:37] | CyberKnet: | could be. |
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| [18:51:23] | gizmobay: | strange. I uninstalled even though it wasn't there and reinstalled and now it works. |
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| [18:53:53] | SteveGoodey: | gizmobay: Computers eh? They're rubbish! |
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| [19:15:08] | gregL: | sphery, Thanks, You helped me out the last time I had this problem,but couldn't remember what we did to resolve it...I am now checking the permissions.... |
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| [19:16:27] | purplefrog: | OK, I finally got my 0.20 database (schema 1169 or so) upgraded to 124something. |
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| [19:16:58] | purplefrog: | It seems the schema upgrade process is VERY nondeterministic. It gave me repeated errors, but as long as I kept re-starting mythtv-setup eventually one time it got lucky and started the upgrade process. |
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| [19:22:41] | sphery: | purplefrog: that likely means bad things happened |
| [19:22:55] | sphery: | do you have the original DB backup from before /any/ attempts to upgrade? |
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| [19:25:55] | purplefrog: | yes. |
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| [19:27:40] | sphery: | purplefrog: want me to take a look at it to see what was happening? |
| [19:27:52] | sphery: | if you can upload it to the net somewhere for me to download, I can do that |
| [19:28:03] | sphery: | heh, got a spam mail, "Watch TV on your PC – New Release" |
| [19:28:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:28:20] | sphery: | of course, their approach is to steal TV |
| [19:28:34] | sphery: | and their URIs likely go somewhere completely unrelated |
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| [19:28:51] | Beirdo: | yup, and likely ask for credit card & SSN |
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| [19:30:08] | purplefrog: | I could probably do that. Although my mythweb appears to be behaving properly, giving plausible listings of recorded programs and upcoming recording schedules. |
| [19:30:36] | sphery: | well, if you do have a problem that you're not noticing and you don't fix it now, you won't really be able to fix it |
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| [19:34:33] | gregL: | sphery, I fixed the permission problem..All is well again..Thanks again.. |
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| [19:35:00] | sphery: | gregL: great... enjoy your not-filling-up drives :) |
| [19:36:13] | gregL: | sphery, yeah, as usual a stupid mistake... |
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| [19:37:12] | sphery: | heh, yeah--I know that one well, as I've done it many times |
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| [19:37:31] | sphery: | i.e. using my user instead of the mythtv user to move recordings to a new drive or something |
| [19:37:49] | Beirdo: | I use root to do that |
| [19:37:54] | Beirdo: | with rsync -avt |
| [19:37:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:38:04] | Beirdo: | if perms were right, they stay right |
| [19:40:11] | sphery: | yeah, I've done that before, too--depends on what and how much I'm moving |
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| [19:40:33] | sphery: | but I always use --progress with rsync :) |
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| [19:42:00] | ** Beirdo wonders why his firewall box has X on it ** | |
| [19:42:21] | Beirdo: | I think I set it up with Ubuntu Desktop by mistake :) |
| [19:42:24] | sphery: | yeah, really, you should use Wayland on a firewall, of course |
| [19:42:25] | purplefrog: | It's so Bierdo can play minecraft on it. |
| [19:42:38] | Beirdo: | minecraft? (puke) |
| [19:42:44] | sphery: | heh, I keep hearing about minecraft, but I know nothing of it |
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| [19:43:05] | Beirdo: | I have more than enough ways to waste my time right now, thanks |
| [19:43:18] | purplefrog: | it's a time deletion tool. Spend 10 euros and delete entire afternoons. |
| [19:43:19] | Beirdo: | like trying to catch up with my Scrubs recordings :) |
| [19:43:32] | sphery: | other than http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/9/17/ |
| [19:44:08] | purplefrog: | I think that comic got Notch $100000 of business, if not more. |
| [19:44:20] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [19:44:32] | sphery: | it came out right about the time he had his free-play weekend |
| [19:44:58] | purplefrog: | I think he had his free-play weekend BECAUSE of that comic. So many people subscribed it buried his auth servers. |
| [19:45:03] | sphery: | but the java client was failing spectacularly for me, and I didn't feel like booting my box with windows-for-gaming installed |
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| [19:45:11] | purplefrog: | He had to switch from a home-coded linear search to a real database. |
| [19:45:21] | sphery: | heh, that's funny |
| [19:45:42] | purplefrog: | A lot of the code you write just to get stuff working has to be upgraded once the internet lands on you like an elephant. |
| [19:45:47] | sphery: | I was thinking there was one other penny arcade minecraft commic |
| [19:45:52] | sphery: | with more of a wall of bricks... |
| [19:46:11] | purplefrog: | "How much content did you load into the ISA simulator?" "30,000 packages" "Yeah, I think I should add an index to that table now" |
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| [19:46:35] | purplefrog: | the very next comic: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/9/20/ |
| [19:46:39] | wagnerrp: | isnt minecraft written in java? |
| [19:46:44] | sphery: | I guess I probably should have said something about NSFW... |
| [19:47:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I thought only the platform-independent client was and there was a windows client, too? |
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| [19:47:24] | wagnerrp: | ah, that may be |
| [19:47:32] | purplefrog: | I know the linux client is java. I wouldn't be surprised if the wnidows version was just a weird packaging of the java. |
| [19:47:52] | sphery: | http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp |
| [19:47:56] | sphery: | quite possible |
| [19:48:06] | purplefrog: | My boss took one of my java tools and ran it through some thing that turned it into a windows .EXE for easy use by peasants. |
| [19:48:14] | wagnerrp: | ive just heard people complaining about how its so slow because its in java, doesnt use the graphics card, and has some horribly inefficient (or no) Z culling |
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| [19:48:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: in my case, it completely breaks the keyboard |
| [19:49:03] | clever: | while running, the keyboard does nothing |
| [19:49:12] | clever: | i cant walk around, alt+tab, or even alt+f4 |
| [19:49:17] | sphery: | FWIW, slow is not "because it's in java" |
| [19:49:23] | purplefrog: | I am pretty sure it uses my graphics card. I've heard legends that it is not very optimized. At some point computers get so fast that you don't need to optimize certain things. Who hand-codes their assembly any more? |
| [19:49:28] | sphery: | slow in Java is because someone writes C or C++ code in Java |
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| [19:50:22] | purplefrog: | But you screw over people with older computers. My mythtv can't compile qt-webkit because I don't have enough RAM and the swap in/out goes over 1000. I had to build a binary package on my laptop and copy it over to the mythtv. |
| [19:50:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the JIT compiler really works that well? |
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| [19:51:12] | purplefrog: | Well, JIT can work certain flavors of miracles. But I'm pretty sure minecraft is using the java GL extension. |
| [19:51:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you really have to design things properly for Java, then implement them properly--and if you do your job right, you'll be at parity or even faster than C/C++ |
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| [19:51:40] | sphery: | that said, Java does lack real support for things like GL and direct hardware access, so |
| [19:51:53] | clever: | sphery: as ive seen just recently, poorly writen c++ can be twice as slow as javascript in spidermonkey |
| [19:52:22] | sphery: | "pure" Java will never be ideal for replacing push-the-envelope game code |
| [19:52:24] | clever: | turns out c++ was spending 75% of its time in a cache hit |
| [19:53:00] | clever: | std::map has a slow operator[], so it crippled things |
| [19:53:28] | sphery: | clever: yeah, I pride myself on my ability to write slow code in /any/ language |
| [19:53:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so all this time, im just angry at things written in java badly |
| [19:54:01] | clever: | ive just bearly managed to get c++ faster then js, but its not always giving the same result |
| [19:54:06] | clever: | need to debug it more |
| [19:54:34] | purplefrog: | I was playing around with java 3D. I spotted one library that was a very thin wrapper around OpenGL. I decided to use the javax.media.j3d.* stuff and eventually got to the point where I had a square of grass, a spinning piece of text, and a growing tree trunk. |
| [19:54:38] | Beirdo: | bleh |
| [19:54:42] | ** Beirdo hugs C ** | |
| [19:54:48] | Beirdo: | anyways, lunch time :) |
| [19:55:00] | purplefrog: | But as with anything GL, you'll need to roll your own shadows, and figure out some way to trim your geometry if you build a ridiculously large world. |
| [19:55:49] | wagnerrp: | purplefrog: but even if you dont, youre now sitting on a massive vector engine rather than a dinky processor |
| [19:55:57] | purplefrog: | if by js you mean javascript? That's another kettle of fish. I can't do dynamic typing. I need static typing so the computer can remind me how my old code is supposed to work. |
| [19:56:05] | wagnerrp: | you can get away with some pretty awful inefficient code if youre offloading to the graphics card |
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| [19:56:43] | purplefrog: | I'm looking forward to the day that they have hardware-accelerated ray tracing with translucent refracted water through normal maps. |
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| [19:58:09] | clever: | what i cant seem to fully understand, is why the host cpu is limiting framerates |
| [19:58:30] | purplefrog: | Well, it has to provide updated geometry to the GPU, right? |
| [19:58:32] | clever: | cant you just tell the GPU what the geom of everything is and then render it with relatively 0% cpu usage, like vdpau |
| [19:58:37] | wagnerrp: | purplefrog: you can find ASICs and FPGA images for that |
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| [19:59:00] | clever: | yeah, but from what ive seen, every api blows the scene away and re-enters every polygon on each frame |
| [19:59:06] | clever: | its not updating the geom, its starting over from scratch |
| [19:59:10] | wagnerrp: | clever: because theres far more to a game than just 3d rendering |
| [19:59:42] | purplefrog: | That's probably because the engine can't be bothered with just computing the diffs. It's faster to code something that dumps the whole world. |
| [19:59:42] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, but it just doesnt seem posible for it to suck up so much cpu seemingly doing nothing |
| [19:59:44] | wagnerrp: | collision detection, AI, movement, physics, etc... |
| [20:00:00] | purplefrog: | Remember, it's often a trade-off between programmer time and execution time. |
| [20:00:02] | clever: | collision detection should only be active when moving |
| [20:00:09] | clever: | if your not moving, why waste cpu on it |
| [20:00:18] | wagnerrp: | collision detection must be active when /anything/ is moving |
| [20:00:26] | purplefrog: | Because you have to spend CPU to figure out whether anythings moving or not :) |
| [20:00:32] | clever: | wagnerrp: from what ive seen in WOW, its not |
| [20:00:43] | clever: | wagnerrp: i can float infront of a moving object, and then it passes thru me |
| [20:00:51] | purplefrog: | The only collision WoW does is with the ground. |
| [20:00:51] | clever: | droping me inside the object where its normaly imposible to be |
| [20:01:00] | clever: | purplefrog: and walls when flying |
| [20:01:08] | wagnerrp: | because blizzard already prints money using WoW, why do they need to improve it further... :) |
| [20:01:09] | clever: | but if your flying and the wall moves into you, you pass thru it |
| [20:01:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: IMHO, Java just has the reputation for being slow because when it first came out a) everyone and their dog (even dogs not trained in software design) wanted to write an applet and put it on the web (meaning a lot of people saw a lot of very-poorly-written Java code), b) when Java first came out, no one knew how to write good Java code, so for the first 6 years or so, we were all writing C/C++ code in Java, and c) when ... |
| [20:01:21] | sphery: | ... Java first came out, Java itself (and the VM) was rather slow because it was written by C/C++ developers who didn't understand Java (because no one understood Java) |
| [20:01:24] | purplefrog: | Oh, yeah, getting driven over by a boat or a zeppelin. |
| [20:01:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: So, basically, people's first impressions of Java were that it was slow, and now, most people expect "Java" to be slow, so they don't think twice when someone shows them slow Java code (and don't get that code re-done properly). |
| [20:02:00] | clever: | purplefrog: the ships in ice crown, you can get into the back area under the floor boards |
| [20:02:03] | purplefrog: | I used to get stuck in the geometry while travelling to Orgrim's Hammer pretty often until I figured out that it was dangerous to fly near the rigging. |
| [20:02:27] | clever: | yeah, if your not 'attached' to the ship, it can clip into you |
| [20:02:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: id be interested to see a real performance test between Java and something like Cython |
| [20:02:45] | clever: | minor bugs with how it deals with objects moving under your feet |
| [20:02:46] | wagnerrp: | cant seem to find anything |
| [20:02:47] | purplefrog: | And the keyframing on those things sucks. They're like a bad amusement park ride. |
| [20:02:56] | sphery: | Java basically achieved parity with C++ in terms of speed in J2SE 1.4 |
| [20:03:15] | wagnerrp: | Cython is basically a 2-stage compiler |
| [20:03:18] | purplefrog: | They should hire a physics student to make up some new paths for the zeppelins and boats. |
| [20:03:24] | wagnerrp: | you write somewhat modified python code |
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| [20:08:05] | wagnerrp: | which is then compiled into C, which then gets compiled using the normal methods |
| [20:08:05] | clever: | purplefrog: alot of the physics in the game is pre-computed, nothing gets simulated on the fly |
| [20:08:05] | sphery: | that said, "parity" (or better with newer Java) requires that you're talking about a program designed for Java and properly implemented in Java compared to a program designed for C++ and properly implemented in C++ (and there are huge differences you need to make in the designs) |
| [20:08:05] | clever: | saves cpu but causes alot of visual glitches |
| [20:08:08] | sphery: | that last part is why real comparisons are so difficult |
| [20:08:08] | purplefrog: | Yeah, but you could pre-compute some GOOD physics and bake it in. |
| [20:08:08] | clever: | purplefrog: the haloween event for example, if your carrying a bucket of water while in skeleton form, the bucket is massively clipping into your bonny legs |
| [20:08:08] | Widget: | anyone here using myth for freesat in the UK? |
| [20:08:08] | clever: | a combination of items they didnt test |
| [20:08:08] | cookie123: | Yes Widget |
| [20:08:08] | purplefrog: | clipping? 1 word: shoulders . |
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| [20:08:44] | skd5aner: | haven't had a problem that last 5 ubuntu upgrade cycles... (knock on wood) |
| [20:08:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: honestly, my only /real/ issue with Java is the funky installer |
| [20:08:58] | tgm4883: | well now you just jinxed yourself ;) |
| [20:09:00] | sphery: | the wood turns into a stick |
| [20:09:06] | sphery: | (minecraft reference) |
| [20:09:10] | wagnerrp: | perl, python, php, various shell scripts, all fit fairly seemlessly into linux/unix |
| [20:09:15] | wagnerrp: | java doesnt |
| [20:09:24] | CyberKnet: | WTH is this "wood turns into a stick" joke? |
| [20:09:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, Oracle may also be an issue, too |
| [20:09:27] | wagnerrp: | nor does it on windows |
| [20:09:46] | sphery: | CyberKnet: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/9/17/ |
| [20:09:49] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, i consider ActivePerl/Windows to be a PITA |
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| [20:10:03] | sphery: | from a conversation about half an hour ago |
| [20:10:05] | CyberKnet: | sphery: I saw it... |
| [20:10:08] | wagnerrp: | and have never managed to get mythtv to compile under windows because i refuse to install activeperl |
| [20:10:22] | CyberKnet: | It may be my complete lack of knowledge of minecraft... |
| [20:10:28] | skd5aner: | same here |
| [20:10:33] | CyberKnet: | What is the joke? |
| [20:10:41] | skd5aner: | minecraft *is* the joke |
| [20:10:45] | wagnerrp: | its a penny-arcade joke more than a minecraft joke |
| [20:10:47] | skd5aner: | '_ |
| [20:10:51] | sphery: | CyberKnet: because skd5aner said, "knock on wood" |
| [20:11:01] | skd5aner: | who's on first? |
| [20:11:02] | cookie123: | Widget have you followed the parker guide for tuning in sat |
| [20:11:23] | CyberKnet: | sphery: but why is the penny arcade joke funny? |
| [20:11:53] | Widget: | cookie123: uh, no? |
| [20:12:00] | dustybin: | can mythweb be located on a different server to the backend? |
| [20:12:06] | cookie123: | To tune in..... I followed this http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_freesat.php |
| [20:12:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | yup. |
| [20:12:27] | ** JEDIDIAH__ has is mythweb on another box. ** | |
| [20:12:36] | dustybin: | ace |
| [20:12:50] | dustybin: | JEDIDIAH__: what ports need to be open |
| [20:12:55] | dustybin: | what ports does mythweb use |
| [20:12:58] | Widget: | cookie123: it's that first scan he references, that doesn't pick up BBC News and generally multiplex 2013 |
| [20:13:12] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: normal web server ports |
| [20:13:18] | dustybin: | ace :D |
| [20:13:20] | wagnerrp: | whatever you tell apache to use |
| [20:13:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | same setup as a myth frontend or backend. |
| [20:13:45] | wagnerrp: | note that streaming requires file access to the recordings and video |
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| [20:13:48] | wagnerrp: | it cannot be done over mythproto |
| [20:14:05] | wagnerrp: | (technically music can use mythxml) |
| [20:14:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...something to be said for doing it old school I guess. |
| [20:14:25] | Widget: | cookie123: i assume the card or the LNB can't tune to it, it's the highest frequency of any of them |
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| [20:15:12] | cookie123: | Widget all I know is that I followed his instructions and I was lucky and it worked |
| [20:15:40] | sgsax: | any improvements in store for mythtweb? |
| [20:15:56] | wagnerrp: | sgsax: ? |
| [20:16:01] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [20:16:11] | sgsax: | just in general |
| [20:16:14] | wagnerrp: | mythweb got some caching improvements in 0.24 |
| [20:16:16] | Widget: | cookie123: well i'm glad yours works :) |
| [20:16:45] | wagnerrp: | 0.25 may get some html5 stuff |
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| [20:17:00] | cookie123: | Thanks Widget maybe if you have a question you can ask it on the user mailing list |
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| [20:17:11] | Widget: | cookie123: I did :( |
| [20:17:15] | cookie123: | It's so frustrating when things don't work with myth |
| [20:17:28] | cookie123: | Sorry to hear that didn't get a result either :( |
| [20:17:47] | Widget: | well it's probably not a myth problem, the dvbscan behaves the same way |
| [20:17:48] | sgsax: | I don't have it up in front of me, but I find creating recording schedules to be somewhat inflexible |
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| [20:18:08] | sgsax: | and no good way to whitelist/blackist filter selections |
| [20:18:25] | sgsax: | was just wondering if there were any changes in the pipeline |
| [20:18:43] | sphery: | sgsax: filter selections? |
| [20:18:47] | sphery: | in the searches? |
| [20:18:52] | sphery: | or what? |
| [20:19:07] | sgsax: | yes, in the searches |
| [20:19:07] | cookie123: | have you tried the linuxtv forums |
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| [20:19:16] | Widget: | cookie123: i think i'll try the linux DVB guys. But I understood the card to be pretty popular so I thought other people would have seen the problem |
| [20:19:18] | cookie123: | could it be driver or firmware |
| [20:19:32] | cookie123: | Which card widget? |
| [20:19:42] | sgsax: | for example: I like to record Nova from PBS, but the title search for "nova" also returns "Kitchen Innovations" on QVC |
| [20:19:52] | sphery: | sgsax: ah |
| [20:19:55] | Widget: | cookie123: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppau . . . -NOVA-S-Plus |
| [20:19:56] | sgsax: | which I have to manually remove from my queue |
| [20:20:21] | sgsax: | it would be nice if I could say "record 'nova' in the title, but don't record 'kitchen innovations'" |
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| [20:20:31] | purplefrog: | sgsax: perhaps there's a regexp syntax available that lets you match /\bnova\b/, to use perl syntax. |
| [20:20:33] | sphery: | shipit: so for MythWeb's simple search (upper right corner), it uses a regexp-type search, so you'd search for Nova as "^Nova$" |
| [20:20:35] | Saturnation: | anyone here using an hd-pvr with directv? |
| [20:20:37] | sphery: | no uqotes |
| [20:20:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | yup. |
| [20:20:57] | sgsax: | ah, had no idea it could do regex matching |
| [20:21:04] | ** JEDIDIAH__ uses the 1212 and DTV ** | |
| [20:21:13] | shipit: | sphery: I think you have the wrong user |
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| [20:21:23] | purplefrog: | I need to see if the new mythweb interface can do searches like "anything on Friday between 8pm and midnight" |
| [20:21:26] | sphery: | sgsax: In the Advanced Search, you just set Title matches Nova |
| [20:21:31] | ** Saturnation is having problems getting the hd-pvr to start up consistently :( ** | |
| [20:21:42] | cookie123: | I have the WinTV-NOVA-HD-S2 and this works |
| [20:21:57] | sphery: | sgsax: Advanced Search being the (Advanced) next to the upper-right-hand search box |
| [20:22:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | what problem are you having exactly? |
| [20:22:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | there is also a #hdpvr channel. |
| [20:22:25] | Saturnation: | it doesn't alway start encoding |
| [20:22:26] | cookie123: | I am sure you'll be able to get the S-plus to work..... yes linux dvb fourm and google |
| [20:22:27] | sphery: | sgsax: Advanced also lets you filter by things like "Only match non-recorded shows" or "Ignore scheduled shows" or ... |
| [20:22:29] | Saturnation: | oh, really :) |
| [20:22:29] | Saturnation: | thanks |
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| [20:22:41] | Widget: | cookie123: ty |
| [20:22:54] | sphery: | shipit: sorry, I got the wrong autocomplete, that was for sgsax |
| [20:23:00] | Widget: | cookie123: at least it's not e4 that's gone or something, my partner would kill me |
| [20:23:00] | cookie123: | Sorry I couldn't help you Widget...... Good luck .... |
| [20:23:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | janne in the #hdpvr might be of some help. |
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| [20:23:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | Got a QVC problem? Why not make the whole channel not visible? |
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| [20:23:55] | cookie123: | Yes cookie..... my partner does not like it when it goes wrong..... I have to tell her it's free...... but she doesn't understand |
| [20:24:22] | cookie123: | But if I say shall we stop using it...... she say nooooooooo |
| [20:24:26] | Saturnation: | I basically want to introduce a delay after directv.pl changes channels just to test a theory... |
| [20:24:27] | purplefrog: | Heh, when it comes to advanced searching, I have a .html file with a <frame src="http://alexandria.purplefrog.com/mythweb/tv/s . . . sters|moving castle|kiki|totoro|fireball|blade 3|blade iii|blade ii|washing away ..... |
| [20:24:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have my directv.pl script in a shell script so I can add delays and such. |
| [20:25:12] | purplefrog: | I update that file whenever there's something new for me to hunt down that's more than 2 weeks in the future. |
| [20:25:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | I also use USB/Serial and check the channel change and restart the reciever if I don't get a good channel change. |
| [20:25:27] | sphery: | purplefrog: looks like you're missing some very important tables (like program) |
| [20:25:39] | Saturnation: | I tried that, but it just seem to make things worse |
| [20:25:39] | sgsax: | I'll have to play with this when I get home |
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| [20:25:46] | sphery: | purplefrog: that's the backup of the original, working, 0.20 database? |
| [20:25:49] | purplefrog: | Oh, sphery, I just left those out of the backup and reconstructed them from a dump. |
| [20:25:55] | Saturnation: | not sure I had the exit value right on the script... |
| [20:25:59] | sgsax: | links is just bearable in graphical mode to browse this remotely |
| [20:26:15] | Saturnation: | worse in that was way less consistent |
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| [20:28:25] | Saturnation: | JEDIDIAH__, I was changing the channel and checking that the channel changed correctly, because it didn't seem to work reliably, but then I switched to using setup_channel and that seemed to take care of checking etc... |
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| [20:32:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | I didn't like how the perl script was doing that so I sort of coded my own check using the functions available in the perl script. |
| [20:32:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...whatever works. |
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| [20:33:44] | Saturnation: | heh, now I can replicate the error |
| [20:34:45] | Saturnation: | ah, got it |
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| [20:35:35] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm trying to figure out if I should abandon mirobridge in favor of Mythnetvision or wait. |
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| [20:36:55] | skd5aner: | GadgetWisdomGuru: different things for different purposes |
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| [20:39:58] | Sp0tter: | I have some things in lirc to start mythtv or to start xbmc.. and i run the irexec -D .. this works fine until after Myth is started, then after myth closes.. it causes the instance of irexec to lock, does myth launch its own irwexec instance that would somehow interfere? |
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| [20:40:49] | wagnerrp: | no, but you should not be using irexec to launch programs while mythtv is running |
| [20:41:08] | wagnerrp: | edit the menu XML to add an entry for the program you want to run |
| [20:41:30] | Sp0tter: | i dont' launch anythign while myth is running, i just use it to launch myth or xbmc after i exit one of them |
| [20:41:31] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv knows to stop listening for keyboard/joystick/IR commands |
| [20:41:36] | Sp0tter: | but when i exit myth it hangs my irexec |
| [20:42:29] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should not affect irexec in any way |
| [20:42:50] | wagnerrp: | unless you have mythtv set up to go after a specific IR device |
| [20:42:55] | wagnerrp: | rather than the lircd multiplexer |
| [20:43:15] | wagnerrp: | if thats even possible... |
| [20:43:27] | Sp0tter: | hmmm |
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| [20:44:53] | btwe: | Hi, the debian guy is back. I got 0.24svn running and started the backend on a copy of my old .21 database. The db upgrade took some time, but it worked quite well. Now I have problems with the program information. No EIT data ist crawled, I cant change/add/delete recording schedules.. etc. Can that be related to the DB upgrade? I do no like to loose all my old recordings, so I do not want to start with a fresh db. |
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| [20:46:02] | wagnerrp: | run mysqlcheck to see if there are any problems with the database |
| [20:46:14] | Sp0tter: | ps aux|grep ire says "[irexec]<defunct>" |
| [20:46:16] | Sp0tter: | what does that mean? |
| [20:47:21] | btwe: | wagnerrp: mysqld runs fine. I use it for other stuff, too |
| [20:47:31] | mtrax: | q: is it possible to show the tuner number in MythWeb upcoming? as I suspect the scheduler needs some tweaks to work around some conflicts I have. |
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| [20:47:41] | wagnerrp: | btwe: thats fine, mysqlcheck checks the database itself |
| [20:47:44] | wagnerrp: | not the server |
| [20:47:50] | sgsax: | Sp0tter: it means the process is in a zombie state |
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| [20:48:47] | sgsax: | Sp0tter: sometimes you can kill it manually with a -SIGKILL, but frequently, you need to just reboot the machine |
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| [20:49:10] | btwe: | wagnerrp: all OK |
| [20:49:39] | purplefrog: | <defunct> means that the process has exited, but the parent has not issued a wait() system call. It's time to blame the parent. If your parent is init, you have big problems. |
| [20:49:39] | sgsax: | Sp0tter: you may need to kill the parent process, too, to cleanly kill the zombie |
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| [20:49:58] | Sp0tter: | sgsax: so what can cause irexec to go into a zombie state that would happen when i exit mythtv |
| [20:50:13] | sgsax: | yeah, killing init would be bad and you'll have to reboot anyway |
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| [20:50:37] | sgsax: | Sp0tter: could be anything, you'll need to look back in the logs (syslog, probably) and see what half-killed it |
| [20:51:32] | btwe: | Sp0tter: mostly the parent somehow vanished, before the wait() call. you cant get rid of the zombie. but do not matter about it, the zombie is not a real proc and does not use resourcs |
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| [20:52:01] | Sp0tter: | btwe: its repeatable though, it zombies everytime i launch it then enter mythtv and exit |
| [20:52:04] | sgsax: | Sp0tter: is lircd still running? you could just restart that |
| [20:52:10] | Sp0tter: | yes lircd still works fine |
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| [20:52:56] | btwe: | wagnerrp: any other ideas? |
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| [20:53:35] | sgsax: | Sp0tter: perhaps you are invoking irexec wrong? |
| [20:53:55] | Sp0tter: | sgsax: "irexec -D" works fine |
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| [20:53:59] | Sp0tter: | just dies when i exit myth |
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| [20:54:28] | sgsax: | I wonder if mythfe is trying to clean up lirc processes and knocking that out in the process |
| [20:55:10] | sgsax: | does irexec need to be launched manually? |
| [20:55:20] | sphery: | mythfrontend doesn't use irexec |
| [20:55:32] | sphery: | it just uses library code to read from teh LIRC socket |
| [20:55:39] | sgsax: | that's what I thought |
| [20:55:45] | sphery: | irexec is generally started in a user's X session or xinitrc or whatever |
| [20:55:54] | sphery: | and will die when X dies |
| [20:56:04] | Sp0tter: | hmm it seems to work if i don't launch it as a demon |
| [20:56:13] | Sp0tter: | if i leave a terminal up with it |
| [20:56:25] | Sp0tter: | yes i have irexec in my xinitrc |
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| [20:58:32] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: you around? |
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| [21:02:57] | mtrax: | is there any easy way to show the device# tuner# in upcoming on Mythweb? |
| [21:03:30] | sphery: | mtrax: no, you want to give proper names for your inputs in mythtv-setup, then it will show the name you specify |
| [21:04:02] | sphery: | or are you saying that your kernel devices are moving around and you're trying to figure out which physical hardware maps to some kernel device number? |
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| [21:05:05] | mtrax: | doh first column is the tuner name.. double doh |
| [21:05:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you think theres any issue with submitting possibly breaker commits to trunk directly after release? |
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| [21:05:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: might want to ask others in #mythtv... I'll be holding off my patches for a couple weeks just because I'm not going to have much MythTV time until then |
| [21:06:17] | mtrax: | does the schedule try to optimise multiplex channels? |
| [21:06:37] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [21:06:38] | sphery: | mtrax: with proper MythTV configuration (and capture devices that support it), yes |
| [21:06:54] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler will simply pull the first available device that can tune that channel |
| [21:07:17] | wagnerrp: | if you have your virtual tuners ordered sequentially, then the first available device will be the next virtual tuner on the card already tuned to the multiplex |
| [21:07:29] | sphery: | right |
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| [21:07:50] | wagnerrp: | if you stagger your virtual tuners, the next device will be a physical card, and you may likely end up using two cards for the same multiplex |
| [21:08:11] | sphery: | but as wagnerrp alluded to, MythTV will not reorder input usage to handle multiple consecutive overlapping shows on a multiplex |
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| [21:09:34] | sphery: | in other words, once an input is chosen for a multiplex, other concurrent recordings on the same multiplex should happen on that input, however, MythTV may get trapped into a situation where there's a future conflict because of the way the inputs "fell out" |
| [21:09:55] | sphery: | those are for the user to fix |
| [21:09:59] | sphery: | best fix, more inputs |
| [21:10:27] | sphery: | next best fix, alter priorities of individual episodes with overrides to get things to line up where you need them |
| [21:10:30] | mtrax: | ok so if I'm hearing this right there is no specific attempt to juggle around recordings if there is a conflict that can be solve by using a specific card? |
| [21:10:38] | sphery: | right |
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| [21:10:45] | sphery: | MOAR INPUTS! |
| [21:10:53] | sphery: | or manual overrides |
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| [21:11:16] | wagnerrp: | mtrax: if you set things up normally, things will be recorded as you expect |
| [21:11:26] | sphery: | in some cases a simple "Record this showing" override of the conflicted show may actually "fix" things |
| [21:11:31] | wagnerrp: | if you stagger the virtual tuners to attempt to handle livetv better, they will not |
| [21:11:43] | mtrax: | I have 3 DVB cards each with 3 Virtual tuners |
| [21:12:04] | Sp0tter: | i only have one dvb card, i'm thinking of getting another |
| [21:12:17] | Sp0tter: | but a lot of shows they replay at like 12 midnight or something |
| [21:12:21] | Sp0tter: | so i can catch some that come on at the same time |
| [21:12:27] | sphery: | I have 4 cards with 0 virtual (1 physical) input each |
| [21:12:29] | mtrax: | I'm thinking of getting a 4th. |
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| [21:13:19] | mtrax: | using the virtual tuner has remove quiet a few conflicts for me but not all. |
| [21:13:21] | sphery: | of course, in USA, OTA doesn't really benefit from multirec |
| [21:13:55] | mtrax: | eg we I have back-to-back to multiplex recordings etc.. |
| [21:14:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | There are a few rare cases where multirec would be useful in the US. However, the other subchannels are generally "weather" |
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| [21:14:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: unless youre recording a lot of PBS |
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| [21:14:45] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah, only thing multirec could give me is a way to pad back-to-back shows |
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| [21:15:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | there are a few useful subchannels in my area. |
| [21:15:43] | wagnerrp: | i get CW on one subchannel, THIS on another |
| [21:15:58] | wagnerrp: | other than that, the two PBS stations have half a dozen each |
| [21:16:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I do record a lot of PBS, but we have PBS main channel (with HDTV at primetime), a Spanish-language subchannel, a local subchannel, and an "Encore" channel (that re-runs stuff from primetime during non-primetime hours using the bandwidth that's saved by doing non-HDTV in non-primetime). |
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| [21:17:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | every market can be different. |
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| [21:17:16] | sphery: | and I really want my Nova and Secrets of the Dead and ... in HDTV, so I actually have rules set up to re-record HDTV episodes of those shows that I got in SDTV |
| [21:17:21] | purplefrog: | Oh lord. There's one ATSC channel in the atlanta area with like 10 different programs, and the metadata is NEVER right. |
| [21:17:26] | sphery: | meaning I really need the recordings off the main channel |
| [21:17:53] | purplefrog: | I find a recording claiming to be spongebob, but it ends up being an episode of Jersey Shore (that's the one with Snooky, right?) with spanish subtitles. |
| [21:18:18] | Sp0tter: | i'm using the cable (i don't subscribe to cable anymore) to get the OTA channels |
| [21:18:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and, yeah, CWTV + this on one mux could be useful--except that the movies on this are re-aired abut 400 times per run and most of it in non-primetime, and I almost never record anything from CWTV in non-primetime, so... :) |
| [21:18:21] | Sp0tter: | but i'm missing one |
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| [21:18:35] | Sp0tter: | thinking of gettinga 2nd card that uses a regular antenna |
| [21:18:39] | Sp0tter: | to pick uip NBC |
| [21:18:40] | dustybin: | what version of php does mythweb require? |
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| [21:19:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | you might want to get the antenna properly sorted out first. setting up the antenna is it's own dark art. |
| [21:19:29] | Sp0tter: | yea |
| [21:19:38] | sphery: | dustybin: 5.3 for trunk, IIRC |
| [21:19:40] | Sp0tter: | i dont understand why many popular channels dont have OTA guide info |
| [21:19:45] | Sp0tter: | but all the ones in the cable range do |
| [21:19:54] | Sp0tter: | liek i'm only getting free channels, butin the 200+ range they have guide info |
| [21:19:57] | dustybin: | ok |
| [21:19:58] | Sp0tter: | and in the regular range only 2 channels have it |
| [21:20:08] | purplefrog: | antenna? I have one propped up on my back deck. I need to find a proper pole-type stand for it so the squirrels don't knock it out of alignment again. |
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| [21:20:40] | sphery: | dustybin: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . on_check.php |
| [21:20:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: youve got CW and THIS on one channel? |
| [21:21:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: one mux, yeah |
| [21:21:13] | wagnerrp: | ive got CBS+CW and FOX+THIS |
| [21:21:21] | sphery: | heh, cool |
| [21:21:29] | wagnerrp: | which means my CW stuff is garbage 480i |
| [21:21:40] | wagnerrp: | luckily i dont record much from there |
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| [21:22:34] | sphery: | looks like some markets carry it on nbc's subchannel since NBC Weather Plus died |
| [21:22:37] | Sp0tter: | i get 11 channels with guide info, and 10 other without |
| [21:22:55] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_TV#This_TV_affiliates |
| [21:22:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: oh? NBC still carries a weather channel here |
| [21:23:08] | sphery: | wonder if they have it here |
| [21:23:25] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Weather_Plus + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Weather_Plus#Closure |
| [21:23:56] | sphery: | guess maybe it's a local station channel |
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| [21:24:23] | sphery: | yeah, like #19 Orlando, "Kept Weather Plus branding, looping local maps and skycam images" |
| [21:24:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they may have just kept it open on their own |
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| [21:24:50] | sphery: | and #18 Cleveland, "3 Weather Plus |
| [21:24:50] | sphery: | (looping local maps, "L-bar" temperatures and forecasts) |
| [21:24:54] | sphery: | (Radio partner WTAM still references their WKYC-fed forecasts as "Channel 3 Weather Plus" forecasts)" |
| [21:24:57] | sphery: | oops, bad paste |
| [21:25:53] | sphery: | neither fox nor cw mentioned on This_TV page on wikipedia |
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| [21:40:14] | Sp0tter: | 'm trying to get linux to recognize my kworld usb stick, there is a patch here http://wilsonet.com/jarod/kworld-hacking/kworld-ub435-q-v2.patch that is suppsoed to make it work (and i've used it before int he past) but I can't remember how |
| [21:40:27] | Sp0tter: | what do I apply the patch to? i cloned the git repo but it wanted to build the entire kernel |
| [21:40:33] | Sp0tter: | after i applied the patch and ran make install |
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| [21:41:17] | Beirdo: | yawn |
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| [21:43:36] | ** JEDIDIAH__ throws some coffee in Beirdo's lap ** | |
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| [21:44:48] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [21:44:54] | Beirdo: | it works better internally |
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| [21:49:04] | mtrax: | did I see somewhere that 0.24 is potentially being released sometime at the end of the week? |
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| [21:49:12] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: had a question about the MCEUSB remote you bought (and recommended to me which I bought) |
| [21:49:53] | Beirdo: | sure |
| [21:50:00] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: haven't played with lirc in about 5 years... |
| [21:50:14] | skd5aner: | which config file did you use? I'm assuming the default ones mentioned on the MCEUSB wiki page? |
| [21:50:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:50:28] | Beirdo: | actually, if you use ubuntu, it couldn't be easier |
| [21:50:43] | skd5aner: | I do, but it's the server build, not the desktop one – but I can apt-get whatever |
| [21:50:53] | Beirdo: | apt-get install lirc |
| [21:50:57] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [21:50:57] | Beirdo: | I think that's all I did |
| [21:51:03] | skd5aner: | no configuring which remote? |
| [21:51:06] | Beirdo: | it comes up with a menu to choose from |
| [21:51:08] | skd5aner: | it just autoconfigured itself? |
| [21:51:10] | skd5aner: | oh, ok |
| [21:51:16] | ** JEDIDIAH__ has not futzed with lirc since ubuntu 7.10 ** | |
| [21:51:17] | skd5aner: | alright – I'll see what I can accomplish her |
| [21:51:22] | Beirdo: | it's the Windows MCE USB or sotmehing like that |
| [21:51:25] | Beirdo: | right near the end |
| [21:51:28] | skd5aner: | I actually plan on getting rid of the remote – I'm just interested in the receiver |
| [21:51:35] | skd5aner: | but, want to test it out "as-is" first |
| [21:51:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, makes sense |
| [21:51:54] | skd5aner: | make sure it works before I start emulating a different remote through that receiver... thanks man |
| [21:51:57] | Beirdo: | once you have it working, you may end up sticking with the remote for a bit :) |
| [21:52:02] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [21:52:05] | wagnerrp: | mtrax: its potentially being released sometime at the end of the day |
| [21:52:16] | Beirdo: | if you can't get it behaving, let me know, and I'll dig out my working one |
| [21:52:22] | mtrax: | today? your time? |
| [21:52:27] | skd5aner: | Well, I've been using a logitech DiNovo mini and IR keyboard for the last 3 years |
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| [21:52:29] | Beirdo: | but I didn't have to change the lirc-side at all |
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| [21:52:47] | skd5aner: | np, appreciate the advice |
| [21:52:53] | Beirdo: | only changes I made were on the mythtv side lircrc |
| [21:53:16] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [21:53:20] | skd5aner: | might be helpful... |
| [21:53:26] | Beirdo: | and that was just to map some buttons that weren't already mapped (using the mceusb lircrc file example kormoc wrote) |
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| [21:54:21] | Beirdo: | speaking of whom...he's not here?! |
| [21:54:21] | mtrax: | oh and another statement which really bugs me lately the TV guides aren't showing any episode names so hard to map Series/Ep# |
| [21:54:26] | Beirdo: | !seen kormoc |
| [21:54:26] | MythLogBot: | kormoc was last seen 23 hours 6 minutes 59 seconds ago |
| [21:54:30] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [21:55:55] | ** Beirdo rips one. ** | |
| [21:56:14] | sgsax: | skd5aner: you can always rerun the lirc config with "dpkg-reconfigure lirc" any time |
| [21:56:28] | skd5aner: | sgsax: good point, thanks |
| [21:56:37] | skd5aner: | off to the other room |
| [21:56:38] | skd5aner: | later |
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| [22:18:23] | dustybin: | mythweb doesnt seem to work on freebsd |
| [22:18:28] | dustybin: | Fatal error: Call to undefined function spl_autoload_register() in /usr/local/www/mythweb/includes/class_autoload.php on line 33 |
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| [22:20:20] | xris: | dustybin: or you need a newer php |
| [22:20:23] | xris: | or a missing module |
| [22:20:34] | dustybin: | im running php 5.2 |
| [22:20:40] | dustybin: | mythtv 3.1 |
| [22:20:41] | xris: | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.spl-autoload-register.php |
| [22:20:51] | dustybin: | .23 i mean |
| [22:20:51] | xris: | mythtv 1.0 isn't even out — how can you have 3.1? |
| [22:20:55] | xris: | ;) |
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| [22:21:09] | xris: | the SPL stuff is probably in a subpackage |
| [22:21:15] | xris: | or needs to be enabled as a compile option |
| [22:21:15] | dustybin: | oh ok thanks |
| [22:21:42] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: it worked just fine, right out of the box |
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| [22:22:00] | skd5aner: | question is, I don't have a lircrc file, is that not required? If if it's not, how does it know which buttons it's mapping? |
| [22:22:13] | Sp0tter: | mythtv is so amazing |
| [22:22:14] | dustybin: | http://www.freshports.org/devel/php5-spl/ |
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| [22:24:59] | Sp0tter: | skd5aner: i can answer your questions, can you summarize? |
| [22:25:03] | Sp0tter: | i jsut setup lirc the other day |
| [22:25:14] | skd5aner: | Sp0tter: actually, I think I answered it myself :) |
| [22:25:18] | Sp0tter: | im' usign it with an mce remote and using the irbalster |
| [22:25:19] | Sp0tter: | blaster |
| [22:25:20] | skd5aner: | but, thank you... and I'm sure I'll have more :) |
| [22:25:20] | Sp0tter: | alrighty |
| [22:27:13] | ** CyberKnet considers the potential ramifications of upgrading from mythbuntu 10.04 to 10.10 over ssh ** | |
| [22:27:57] | purplefrog: | Upgrading those Antarctic servers, CyberKnet? |
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| [22:28:39] | CyberKnet: | purplefrog: Heh. No, myth box at home ... would be nice if it would upgrade while I'm at work. :) But the failsafe ssh daemon it starts is on 1022, and I don't have that punched through my firewall. |
| [22:28:48] | CyberKnet: | so the failsafe would be unreachable. |
| [22:28:59] | CyberKnet: | that's probably not a good idea for me to test out. :) |
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| [22:35:17] | CyberKnet: | I am so glad for SSH port forwarding. |
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| [22:37:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | I did my last dist upgrades via X/ssh. |
| [22:37:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | haven't had cause to move all the way to 10.10 yet. |
| [22:37:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | though most of my boxes run 10.04 |
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| [22:38:42] | dustybin: | another strange mythweb error |
| [22:38:43] | dustybin: | Fatal error: Call to undefined function session_name() in /usr/local/www/mythweb/includes/session.php on line 21 |
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| [22:39:03] | purplefrog: | CyberKnet: perhaps you can ssh to a second machine at your house and test the failsafe. That's what I've done when I manage to bork routing on one box. |
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| [22:40:35] | CyberKnet: | purplefrog: I would, but I never got around to making my router run OpenWRT, so I actually don't have another box with SSH running. |
| [22:40:38] | CyberKnet: | shame. |
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| [22:42:37] | purplefrog: | I actually have as many laptops (old and slow) at home as I have powered-up servers (which isn't many). |
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| [22:44:19] | CyberKnet: | heh |
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| [22:44:32] | CyberKnet: | I have one myth box which is combined backend and frontend |
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| [22:45:11] | xris: | dustybin: sounds like more missing subpackage stuff... check the php manual for those functions to find out what they're part of. |
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| [22:46:08] | dustybin: | xris: aye ok |
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| [22:47:18] | purplefrog: | I banished my mythtv backend to a utility room when I got tired of listening to its fan. |
| [22:47:58] | dustybin: | /usr/ports/www/php5-session |
| [22:47:59] | dustybin: | pfff |
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| [22:49:05] | dustybin: | IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [22:49:12] | dustybin: | mythweb running on freebsd 8.1 :D |
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| [22:49:24] | ** dustybin feels excited ** | |
| [22:49:26] | bjd: | why wouldn't it? |
| [22:49:51] | xris: | dustybin: feel free to add your bsd info to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythweb |
| [22:50:09] | ** dustybin suddenly feels depressed again ** | |
| [22:50:26] | dustybin: | i will make some notes on my desktop right now |
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| [22:57:17] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: does MakeMKV produce mkv files playable with myth? when I've used it in the past I've always done a full-disc copy, but I was hoping to produce a file that would be playable on my 0.23 frontend and my initial experiments haven't worked at all – lots of audio related errors, no video |
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| [22:57:57] | Sp0tter: | stuartm: i use handbrake-cli to encode my mpeg2's to mpeg-4 |
| [22:57:59] | stuartm: | the title itself plays just fine direct from the disc |
| [22:58:07] | Sp0tter: | but i rename them back tot the original name .mpg so myth doesn't get confused |
| [22:58:11] | Sp0tter: | i dont knwo if there is a more elegant way to do it |
| [22:58:12] | stuartm: | Sp0tter: this is blu-ray |
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| [22:58:24] | Sp0tter: | a h ok |
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| [22:58:56] | stuartm: | might just be easier to upgrade my production frontend to 0.24 and buy another blu-ray drive |
| [22:59:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:00:52] | CyberKnet: | That's not how a scot would do it. |
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| [23:07:25] | stuartm: | heh, no, just thinking long-term – I don't want to have to rip every disc before it can be played on my main box, eventually I'll have to buy another BD-ROM drive so I might as well save myself some hassle and do it soon |
| [23:09:10] | bjd: | whats the story with blu ray? i've not kept up with it |
| [23:09:25] | bjd: | it's not quite insert and play is it? |
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| [23:09:49] | ** CyberKnet is glad bjd asked that question ** | |
| [23:09:51] | stuartm: | it is |
| [23:09:57] | bjd: | oo, nice |
| [23:10:11] | stuartm: | so long as the disc uses AACS v10 or below |
| [23:10:38] | stuartm: | so not all discs, certainly not brand new releases |
| [23:11:35] | stuartm: | but so far all but one of the discs I've bought ... |
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| [23:13:05] | stuartm: | bjd: otherwise you need to decrypt it first with something like MakeMKV which will either spit out an MKV or decrypt but retain the BD file structure which MythTV can read |
| [23:13:41] | bjd: | Yeah, I was aware of the manual decrypt stuff |
| [23:15:57] | stuartm: | really depends when the discs were manufactured, I've been mostly buying stuff that I _really_ liked so that rules out most releases in the last 18 months* |
| [23:16:33] | stuartm: | * since I've not really got out to see things at the cinema in the last year, not just because everything has been crap |
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| [23:26:20] | Sp0tter: | anyone have a pciE tuner for trade? I have some ddr2 ram , an athlon dual core 2.4ghz, a motherboard, some other stuff |
| [23:26:49] | Sp0tter: | actually i guess it doesn't have to be pcie |
| [23:28:30] | Beirdo: | !trout Sp0tter |
| [23:28:30] | ** MythLogBot slaps Sp0tter with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [23:28:40] | Sp0tter: | hey |
| [23:28:42] | Sp0tter: | that's not nice |
| [23:28:43] | Beirdo: | we don't want sexual favors either |
| [23:28:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [23:29:03] | Beirdo: | this really isn't the place for trading yer gear :) |
| [23:29:11] | Sp0tter: | heh why not? |
| [23:29:24] | Beirdo: | because it's not? |
| [23:29:37] | Sp0tter: | are you asking me? |
| [23:29:48] | Beirdo: | no, not really |
| [23:29:49] | Sp0tter: | if that was a question, my answer is that i disagree |
| [23:29:55] | Sp0tter: | oh ? means question |
| [23:30:44] | stuartm: | ok, seems MakeMKV will output playable files if you just let it finish ripping, seems it writes the content tables as the last thing that it does |
| [23:30:45] | Beirdo: | the reasoning would be... this is not a "for sale/for trade" channel. |
| [23:31:56] | Beirdo: | if everyone started doing it, it would degrade into ebay-like hell in no time |
| [23:32:06] | Sp0tter: | that is silly |
| [23:32:13] | Sp0tter: | you are a big silly |
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| [23:32:27] | Beirdo: | that may be, but that's life |
| [23:32:34] | Sp0tter: | nope. |
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| [23:54:22] | CyberKnet: | updating mythbuntu apparently takes a while. heh. |
| [23:58:59] | dewman: | Berido, I will trade you 4 sacks of potato's a bag of rice and 1/2 pound of carrots for your tuner.... |
| [23:59:08] | dewman: | ;) |
| [23:59:41] | Beirdo: | nope. |
| [23:59:55] | dewman: | lol |
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