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Friday, November 5th, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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Beirdo:

Shadow__X: what does that have to do with MythTV?

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k_ross:

Rereading Mike Dean's email response to me a few months ago leaves me with a question: if an episode is auto-expired without having watched it, it will re-record again the next time it airs? is that correct? (with re-record watched disabled in the settings)

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k_ross:

(i'm also trying to find this in the user manual)

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: point taken. sorry

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kormoc:

k_ross, it'll be a candidate, yes

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sphery:

oh, I'm just slightly to late to say that

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sphery:

"a candidate" means it will be allowed to re-record--and will re-record if it re-runs and you have a rule that matches that re-run and you don't have a conflict to prevent the re-record

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sphery:

k_ross: note, also that if you haven't marked it as watched, it will allow re-record regardless of whether you enable re-record watched or not

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i had mythtv set to 20 already, and was still running up against the limits

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wagnerrp:

the /only/ think ill be using is mythfs

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wagnerrp:

which only connects over mythproto

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wagnerrp:

whatever it does, it will deadlock the backend

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wagnerrp:

and prevent it from telling a slave to start recording

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wagnerrp:

it usually ends up being a couple minutes before it gets the option to connect, resulting in the first couple minutes of a couple of my recordings being chopped off

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Beirdo:

odd

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Beirdo:

we'll be debugging this soon, for sure

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Beirdo:

meanwhile, I'm gonna head home

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lunaphyte:

hi, i'm trying to set up a dummy tuner, to test a computer for playback and to learn a bit, but i'm having some trouble understanding the process. i'm looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner

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lunaphyte:

on the page, it says "Set the Card Type to 'MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)'" – but i don't see that listed.

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lunaphyte:

i do see ivtv mpeg-2 encoder card – is that an equivalent, for my purposes?

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wagnerrp:

the only reason you wouldnt have one is if you compiled mythtv without ivtv support

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sphery:

lunaphyte: you don't want a dummy tuner

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lunaphyte:

oh, really? why not?

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to test a computer for playback... does that mean you already have another backend set up?

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sphery:

lunaphyte: in 0.23-fixes and below, they're harder to set up than even a framegrabber (which is the hardest real card type to set up) and in trunk/0.24rcX, it's broken

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sphery:

but--it's not easy to set up

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sphery:

it just doesn't do the right things

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lunaphyte:

i see.

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sphery:

and really, you're better off testing playback with something like MythVideo

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lunaphyte:

ok

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sphery:

but that does require a backend with a valid capture card defined... catch 22... :(

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lunaphyte:

wagnerrp: i've got a backend setup (allegedly), right now just running on a virtualbox guest.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you wont get any playback performance out of a virtualized machine

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lunaphyte:

in the interest of full disclosure – i've just taken the easy way out and used mythbuntu.

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wagnerrp:

no sense even trying

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sphery:

lunaphyte: if you want to upgrade to 0.24rc2 (or, better, 0.24-fixes) and set up a dummy tuner, it's much easier to set up (and you can change that web page to document how)

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lunaphyte:

oh – no, the virtual machine is just a backend.

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wagnerrp:

why would you run a backend in a VM?

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sphery:

lunaphyte: just note that when you're recording from the dummy tuner, it's reading and writing data at about 1GiB/min

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lunaphyte:

i have a separate physical computer that i'm running the frontend on.

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sphery:

lunaphyte: which will quickly fill up your hard drive if you're not careful

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lunaphyte:

wagnerrp: just to emulate what i had planned on ultimately doing.

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lunaphyte:

sphery: hmm, i see.

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wagnerrp:

lunaphyte: but you get no hardware access for tuner cards

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lunaphyte:

i don't have any tuner cards anyway, at the moment. i just want to experiment a bit, mostly to determine how capable the frontend computer is.

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wagnerrp:

what is the frontend?

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lunaphyte:

one moment, i 'll grab specs.

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lunaphyte:

(it's a mac mini, a bit older, that's been sort of lying around waiting for me to get motivated.)

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wagnerrp:

G4? Core? Core2?

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lunaphyte:

1.5 core solo

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wagnerrp:

what country?

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lunaphyte:

my intent was to replace the cpu with a core 2 duo, as long as the system itself had enough promise.

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lunaphyte:

usa

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wagnerrp:

yeah, no can do

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wagnerrp:

they use different sockets

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wagnerrp:

the old Core Solos are a socket T, the new ones are a socket P

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lunaphyte:

err, i'm pretty sure it's doable.

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lunaphyte:

it wouldn't necessarily be a brand new processor – just one that's newer/more powerful than what's in there – but compatible. a friend of mine has done this, and his mac mini is older than this one.

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wagnerrp:

no, socket M, not T

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wagnerrp:

you might be able to find an old Core2 thats a socket M, but the modern ones are P

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wagnerrp:

either way, youre going to have to get a mobile chip, and theyre not common to find

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lunaphyte:

m alludes to "mobile", right? i believe that sounds right. yeah, it wouldn't necessarily be a brand new recently released item, but i've found a few places that seem to have what i'm looking for.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you are correct that a 1.5GHz Core Solo wont cut it for ATSC

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lunaphyte:

it doesn't even cut it for "high resolution" youtube. :)

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wagnerrp:

ATSC is easier to do that 'high resolution' youtube

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lunaphyte:

oh, really?

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wagnerrp:

not because its hard to decode, just because its using flash

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wagnerrp:

flash is awful

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lunaphyte:

show what i know, i guess.

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lunaphyte:

oh, of course.

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wagnerrp:

you trying to play that same content with a 'proper' video player on that machine, and you probably wont even exceed 50% CPU consumption

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lunaphyte:

yeah, i can imagine.

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wagnerrp:

adobe made some very poor decisions regarding their video playback, in the name of making it 'easier' to be cross-platform

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wagnerrp:

they do all decoding, rendering, compositing, and scaling in software

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lunaphyte:

i'd argue that adobe has made some very poor decisions regarding pretty much all of their products over the last 10 years or so.

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lunaphyte:

(on the off chance that i inadvertently insult someone)

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wagnerrp:

oh, dont worry... were plenty insulting to adobe around these parts

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lunaphyte:

heh

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: there it is again, hitting the limit at 50 threads

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lunaphyte:

boy, it sure is a bit of a pita finding older replacement processors.

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wagnerrp:

especially mobile ones

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wagnerrp:

end users typically dont purchase those

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kormoc:

lunaphyte, you don't have an nvidia card in there, increasing to a core2duo won't cut it with h264 HD playback (FYI)

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wagnerrp:

certainly not when you consider you can only use the older socket M processors

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lunaphyte:

you guys are bursting my bubble here... ;)

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sphery:

but if you get a nice new system, you can have a wonderful luxury DVR

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sphery:

if you want cheap, ask your cable or satellite company for a DVR rental

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sphery:

:)

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lunaphyte:

blech. no thanks.

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lunaphyte:

the fundamental reason i'm here is because i'm ready to dump directv.

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kormoc:

MythTV, the ultralux dvr for your home or office

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

"When the best isn't good enough, MythTV"

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sphery:

I sometimes wonder just how much I would have saved if I didn't build a MythTV box and got something COTS

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kormoc:

I don't wonder, I've figured it out before and it's kinda depressing

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I'm not surprised

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lunaphyte:

you mean just the computer itself?

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lunaphyte:

prebuilt vs. you built?

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sphery:

MythTV is a hobby

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kormoc:

of course, the decked out mac mini didn't help

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sphery:

computers, storage, time, more computers, more storage, more time, more computers, more storage, ...

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kormoc:

just think of how many tunafish sandwiches you could have bought!?!?

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lunaphyte:

so, you've more or less answered another question i had – how big a role does the video card play?

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sphery:

even getting a reasonable system, you're going to need about $200 worth of mobo/cpu/ram, $40 of video card, $100 of HDD, $50-$100 of capture cards (per channel you want to record at a time)

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wagnerrp:

lunaphyte: that depends

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kormoc:

($200 per hdpvr!)

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wagnerrp:

Xv is a minimum, and the GMA graphics on your mac mini will suffice

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lunaphyte:

can a powerful enough processor offset a not that great video card?

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sphery:

(for now)

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wagnerrp:

opengl is preferred, and the GMA graphics on your mac mini will not

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wagnerrp:

hardware accelerated decoding is currently only possible with VDPAU on nvidia graphics

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lunaphyte:

i see

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wagnerrp:

youve also got VAAPI for relatively ATI cards and high end Intel chips (you have neither)

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wagnerrp:

or if you have a mini-pcie slot, you may try a crystalhd card

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lunaphyte:

the gist of this is "don't waste my time replacing the cpu in this mac mini for the purposes of mythtv"?

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wagnerrp:

if you do, youll likely be limited to ATSC and QAM

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wagnerrp:

or anything standard definition

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt have enough power for an HDPVR (analog HD capture from cable/sat boxes)

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wagnerrp:

or bluray playback

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stevieman:

are there any good how-tos for getting a remote working with emu's mythgame?

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lunaphyte:

i don't know much about available programming at the moment. my intention was/is to capture only ota programming.

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lunaphyte:

i'm not sure which broadcaster offers what though in terms of hd/non-hd, etc.

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wagnerrp:

for OTA (ATSC) a processor swap should work fine

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lunaphyte:

i don't have any hd display devices at the moment, so i'm not super concerned about that aspect of quality.

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lunaphyte:

but – is it possible that the available content is not necessarily available in lower resolution format?

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lunaphyte:

(and what would that potentially mean for capture and playback?)

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** Beirdo yawns **

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lunaphyte:

was that an allusion to disinterest? :)

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Beirdo:

are you trying to wake me up? :)

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lunaphyte:

no, i wouldn't dream of it.

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wagnerrp:

i think hes pissed off and disinterested about my 'thread pool exhausted' errors

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

we REALLY need to get better insight into that

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lunaphyte:

oh, well, i'm blabbering a bit, i know. i just needed a bit of a change of venue after doing so much reading.

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wagnerrp:

well as mentioned, it has got nothing to do with the HTTP server

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Beirdo:

I need a 10h nap :)

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wagnerrp:

or

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wagnerrp:

stuff that i dont think should be is calling the HTTP server

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sphery:

heh, don't you love it when you start to bisect some changes and you happen to find the revision that broke things on your first try

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, it shouldn't, unless there's some cross-pollenation we aren't clear on

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Beirdo:

sphery: good work

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sphery:

I figured this would take all night, so I was going to doing the bisecting while watching TV and casually compiling and testing on commercial breaks.

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sphery:

turned out to be much faster than I expected

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Beirdo:

I've had evenings of that :)

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sphery:

(I narrowed it down to 72 changes from last-known-working/first-known-not-working, then I decided to step through the 72 instead of bisecting by just going rev-by-rev through changes to trunk that /could/ have had an effect, and it was the first change after the last-known-working that broke it.)

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Beirdo:

heh

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JEDIDIAH__:

hunting down a cheap ION box would be much more useful than trying to upgrade an i945 mini.

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sphery:

technically, that was 72 revisions (some of which were to -fixes, so not applicable)

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sphery:

so it wasn't that many

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lunaphyte:

when it's said i'd be limited to atsc – atsc can include 1920x1080 source material, right? which i always regarded as "hd". would playback of such material be pratical, given a replacement cpu?

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Beirdo:

and some were translations, no doubt

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's more about the video card than the CPU.

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sphery:

38 total in truck in that period--many of which were i18n

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Beirdo:

sphery: so who's the winning commit?

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JEDIDIAH__:

There is a wide gap between HD for MPEG2 and HD for h264. It doesn't take much of a box to handle MPEG2

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** sphery thinks he should protect the guilty **

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JEDIDIAH__:

The i945 mini is fine for anything but HD h264 (the Hauppauge HD-PVR in other words)

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wagnerrp:

lunaphyte: i would say anything 2GHz or better (core 2) would be sufficient

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

i (barely) do such playback on a 1.93GHz Athlon XP, but my content is only maybe 14mbps

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wagnerrp:

ATSC will go up to 19mbps

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wagnerrp:

bitrate is more important than resolution

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lunaphyte:

ok. that makes sense, of course.

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JEDIDIAH__:

The x86 version of the AppleTV can even handle high bitrate broadcast 1080i ATSC. The nv video card it has helps a bit though.

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lunaphyte:

oh, that's interesting.

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JEDIDIAH__:

The hauppauge hd-pvr is the real killer.

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wagnerrp:

s/even/barely/

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wagnerrp:

and yes, the XvMC support on the 7300M on the original ATV helps considerably

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lunaphyte:

can the hd-pvr be used with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

drops CPU requirements by maybe 40%

[02:21:19]

wagnerrp:

yes

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lunaphyte:

hmmm

[02:21:28]

wagnerrp:

but XvMC only works with MPEG2

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wagnerrp:

and i dont believe exists in 0.24

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** JEDIDIAH__ has 2 of them (HD-PVRs) **

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lunaphyte:

JEDIDIAH__: happy?

[02:21:57]

JEDIDIAH__:

yup.

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lunaphyte:

might i ask how much you paid?

[02:22:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

they made my AppleTV and i945 mini's obsolete though.

[02:22:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

I bought mine early on, so they were more expensive.

[02:22:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

pre-ordered my first one.

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lunaphyte:

oh

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JEDIDIAH__:

I think Amazon has them for $190 now.

[02:23:12]

lunaphyte:

they seem to be pretty inexpensive at the moment (at least based on my expectations)

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lunaphyte:

well, time for some more reading. thanks for the chat, and the guidance and new terms to read up on.

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JEDIDIAH__:

my main problems have been with my cable boxes, not the HD-PVRs.

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JEDIDIAH__:

oh. If you don't want to replace your old frontend boxes, then just force your cable boxes to do 480p. I did that with my old frontends before I replaced them with ION nettops.

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JEDIDIAH__:

Even downscaled HD is an improvement over SD cable.

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wagnerrp:

this looks right out of 28 days leter

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm still trying to decide whether to watch 28 weeks later (or if it will ruin my high regards for 28 days later)

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wagnerrp:

you find out the cause of 'the rage'

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wagnerrp:

its an awful explanation

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sphery:

yeah, that's the kind of thing that worries me

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sphery:

There are so many movies that were great, but ruined by the sequels

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JEDIDIAH__:

you kind of find out the cause of the rage in the original.

[02:42:10]

JEDIDIAH__:

first 5 minutes of the movie.

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wagnerrp:

i thought the beginning of the movie was him waking up in the hospital

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JEDIDIAH__:

mebbe I saw an extended cut or something. These days it's hard to tell anymore.

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sphery:

they show the break-in at the lab with the chimps, don't they?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the chips were showed 'bad' images

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wagnerrp:

and it made them 'turn bad'

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wagnerrp:

and the 'badness' is apparently contagious

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JEDIDIAH__:

oh

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JEDIDIAH__:

that is "bad"

[02:44:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

I always assumed it was bio weapons research.

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sphery:

yeah, me too

[02:45:01]

wagnerrp:

it was bio weapons research

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sphery:

wait, were the chimps playing rated T for Violence video games?

[02:45:13]

wagnerrp:

but the explanation of how it was developed... awful

[02:45:29]

wagnerrp:

ever seen clockwork orange?

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JEDIDIAH__:

...too much information.

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** JEDIDIAH__ was thinking just the same thing. **

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JEDIDIAH__:

Did they play the 5th for the chimps too?

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wagnerrp:

it was kind of like that

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sphery:

Everyone tells me I should watch clockwork orange, but I haven't seen it yet

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JEDIDIAH__:

at least that would have some demented humor value.

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JEDIDIAH__:

mebbe we should strap sphery to a chair and make him watch it.... '-)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: its a pretty f'd up movie

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sphery:

heh

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JEDIDIAH__:

it probably seemed a lot more messed up when it was made.

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JEDIDIAH__:

then again, there was an "ape power" bit from the last apes movie that got cut out because it scared all of the crackers in peioria.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so I ended up enabling ondemand on my systems--BOINC got borked for a couple weeks because of a bad DB crash

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JEDIDIAH__:

Zardoz...

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JEDIDIAH__:

now there is a messed up movie.

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sphery:

figure it's better to have it enabled in case I run out of work units

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wagnerrp:

ondemand? CPU scaler?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

kind of useless normally--since boinc keeps the cpus at 100% (usage, and, therefore, freq)

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** JEDIDIAH__ hunts down and terminates any cpu scaling or power management features on desktops or servers. **

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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JEDIDIAH__:

never gotten anything but trouble from that crap.

[02:49:26]

JEDIDIAH__:

regardless of OS.

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wagnerrp:

never had any problem with modern systems

[02:50:32]

wagnerrp:

the amd64/core2 scaling has always worked well for me

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sphery:

yeah, I left it disabled for a long time while the tickless kernel and freq scaling support developed

[02:51:12]

sphery:

but it seems it's been in good shape for a while, now

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wagnerrp:

HAHAH

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wagnerrp:

'we have been informed that the dark lord cthulu has shat on the runway at the new orleans airport, and will be delayed at least an hour longer'

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JEDIDIAH__:

well, on the one hand I don't see much point in that stuff and don't really see any real benefit from it but on the other hand when it fails me it is really annoying.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: this a TBBT thing?

[02:53:36]

wagnerrp:

south park

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Beirdo:

JEDIDIAH__: so I guess you are smarter than both Intel and AMD now?

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wagnerrp:

TBBT?

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sphery:

ah, that makes more sense (the language would win versus the geekiness)

[02:54:10]

sphery:

The Big Bang Theory

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JEDIDIAH__:

a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

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sphery:

I have to admit that I was disappointed how little power savings you got from downclocking the cpu

[02:54:48]

sphery:

it's some, but not nearly as much as I hoped

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wagnerrp:

BP drilled on the moon, releasing cthulhu, which has since started to ravage new orleans

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sphery:

idling at 100% freq it's still rather low power

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JEDIDIAH__:

...and neither AMD nor Intel are infallable either.

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sphery:

(I will admit that you get big power diff from 100% load at 100% freq versus 0% load at lowest freq--but the difference between 0% load at 100% freq and 0% load at lowest freq is small)

[02:55:45]

wagnerrp:

its supposed to downclock and undervolt

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wagnerrp:

the undervolting is what really gets you the power savings

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sphery:

seems the CPU power states work pretty well even without the cpu freq scaling, though

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Beirdo:

yeeehaw

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Beirdo:

5 recordings...

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Beirdo:

sometime I'll have the time to watch all this stuff

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sphery:

btw, Beirdo you /do/ do more concurrent recordings than I

[03:01:19]

Beirdo:

heh, not too surprising

[03:01:28]

sphery:

I just don't record faster than I watch--which is why I have a ton of recordings

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JEDIDIAH__:

...and another thing. Corporations (like AMD and Intel) are not "smart". They are MOBS with the wrong people in charge and that mostly negates the talent of any particular individual or group of them.

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Beirdo:

I'm watching stuff from over a month ago

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Beirdo:

JEDIDIAH__: whatever you say

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sphery:

heh, I still haven't started Dollhouse (which ran for 2 seasons and was cancelled)

[03:02:45]

sphery:

got a few series going back at least that far

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Beirdo:

I forgot... processor designers are all idiots.

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wagnerrp:

wait... thats kenny? and you can understand him talking?

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wagnerrp:

thats just... wrong

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i know... totally ruins it

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Twiggy2cents:

Does 0.23.1 have a different schema than 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Twiggy2cents:

so then it should be compatable right?

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[R]:

nope

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Twiggy2cents:

I plan on upgrading the backend too but I would like to wait until my shows stop.

[03:07:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

you have a singular talent for not actually paying attention to what a person is saying.

[03:08:00]

Twiggy2cents:

So then I cant use a 0.23.1 front end witha 0.23 backend?

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[R]:

[08:07:02] [R] nope

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

!trout Twiggy2cents NO!

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** MythLogBot slaps Twiggy2cents with a NO! trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[03:09:19]

JEDIDIAH__:

compatability between commits is not something that has been designed into mythtv

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Captain_Murdoch:

Twiggy2cents, protocol version changed between 0.23 and 0.23.1 because of a bugfix in 0.23.1.

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Captain_Murdoch:

normally we don't do that, this one slipped in.

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[R]:

that's what she said

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

OMG

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[R]:

is that hil duff?

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Beirdo:

[R]: how the heck would we know?

[03:11:10]

[R]:

lol

[03:11:27]

[R]:

it is!

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[R]:

i thought she died or something

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Beirdo:

only of embarassment

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[R]:

lol

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Twiggy2cents:

so Captain_Murdoch your saying that normally if the protocol changes it would of been bumped to sy 0.24?

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[R]:

i saw a movie she was in once with that guy

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, saying we don't normally bump the protocol in released versions.

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Beirdo:

Twiggy2cents: to 0.23.1

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[R]:

john cusask

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh okay

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Beirdo:

we don't normally do it, and when we do, it's a point release

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Captain_Murdoch:

we normally want 0.23, 0.23.x to be compatible.

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Captain_Murdoch:

of course we don't normally do 0.23.x. :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, oopses happen :)

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Twiggy2cents:

what was the bugfix that caused that?

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Beirdo:

you can use trac as easily as anyone

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Twiggy2cents:

:)

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Twiggy2cents:

one last question. I just realized, on my backend synaptic says I have 0.23.1 installed but if I hit f1 on the frontend it says that I am running 0-23-fixes. I would assume that I am running 0.23.1 right? Or is that a bad assumption

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wagnerrp:

0.23 and 0.23.1 are both point released on the 0.23-fixes branch

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Twiggy2cents:

I should point out I mean the backend's front end

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Twiggy2cents:

okay

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Twiggy2cents:

thank you

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: your frontend and your backend are both running the same version

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: likely things didn't restart properly after update, so you need to reboot all

[03:33:45]

Twiggy2cents:

I just updated my front end distro and I though that it had updated to a newer version of mythtv, but it seems I was wrong and its still the same version

[03:34:14]

wagnerrp:

nicaragua invades costa rica over a border dispute

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wagnerrp:

the reason for the dispute? a mistake in the borders shows in google maps

[03:39:28]

** wagnerrp hints 'take the tank, take the tank' **

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wagnerrp:

look at that, people on tv listen to me

[03:42:32]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i think this show has great promise

[03:45:28]

arriflex:

Anybody hear of a playback issue where an ATSC recording's video is played back at 2x speed but the audio is normal?

[03:45:45]

arriflex:

Recently switched to VDPAU...

[03:46:01]

arriflex:

Tried the other playback profiles to no avail.

[03:46:55]

arriflex:

Strangely, doesn't happen on all HD ATSC recordings, haven't found the common link yet...

[03:57:44]

sphery:

so, I was going to let some "not that interesting" TV run while I was working on MythTV, tonight.

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sphery:

unfortunately, it looked more interesting than I thought, so it's been paused for the last 2 hours

[03:58:34]

sphery:

so I didn't get to delete any shows... :(

[03:59:15]

sphery:

I should have just exited that show and gone to another not-that-interesting show

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Twiggy2cents:

this is off topic, but I figure I will try asking anyway. I just upgrade my distro to fedora 14 and my lirc is goofed. My mythtv lircrc works fine but there seems to be integrated support or something for lirc. My remote doubles as the arrows on the keyboard. I have no lircrc in /etc/lirc/ and the one in my home folder has nothing about that.

[04:28:40]

Twiggy2cents:

Has anybody else dealt with this?

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sphery:

strange... check_py_lib says MythTV python bindings aren't installed, but they are (and they're installed to my system PYTHONPATH)

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wagnerrp:

when building the plugins?

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[R]:

they can say the B word on TLC?

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wagnerrp:

sure, why not?

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[R]:

i dunno.. its not one of the 7 words?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah

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sphery:

looking into it now

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sphery:

trying removing old egg info thingies

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wagnerrp:

they can show the B part of the anatomy on discovery

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Beirdo:

OK, this MPEG4 transcode is working

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[R]:

wagnerrp: huh?

[04:38:10]

wagnerrp:

boobs, discovery channel shows boobs

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[R]:

not boobs

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[R]:

bitch

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Beirdo:

and animal planet shows bitches

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wagnerrp:

surely thats worse than the term for a female dog

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[R]:

but shows breasts on discovery is science or art or wahtever

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Beirdo:

entertainment

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[R]:

i love this show "Is he your boyfriend? No, he's my baby daddy."

[04:40:13]

wagnerrp:

porn is a form of art

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Beirdo:

trailer trash is not welcome on my TV

[04:40:20]

[R]:

lol

[04:40:32]

[R]:

my friend wants me to goto thi stupid art thing downtown tomorrow

[04:40:39]

sphery:

supreme court says the FCC can't do the indecency thing they've done forever

[04:40:39]

[R]:

last time i went with her there was some naked paintings

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sphery:

ok, federal appeals court--not supreme court, yet

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[R]:

ooo, a new show "County Jail"

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sphery:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/business/me . . . nt.html?_r=1

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** [R] sets up a new custom rule **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: cleaning up made it work... maybe the 0.23 egg-infos that were in there

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** sphery has modified his install script to clean up the python garbage before the install **

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Beirdo:

find . -name \*.py -exec rm {} \;

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and no, don't be a moron and cut/paste that

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Beirdo:

unless you really wanna delete all .py files

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I went with: rm -rf /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV*

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wagnerrp:

eew...

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sphery:

what would be better?

[04:46:25]

wagnerrp:

'make uninstall'

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wagnerrp:

or

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wagnerrp:

'python setup.py uninstall --prefix=...'

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sphery:

make install requires that you do it on a same-versioned working copy

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wagnerrp:

gets the recommended python install path using that prefix

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sphery:

since I"m constantly having to switch between 0.23-fixes, 0.24-fixes, and trunk...

[04:47:13]

wagnerrp:

and clears out everything in MythTV

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Beirdo:

then do what I do

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Beirdo:

install them into different prefixes :)

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Beirdo:

silly sphery :)

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sphery:

heh, that would work, too

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sphery:

but I test it like I run it

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Beirdo:

I run em in different prefixes :)

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wagnerrp:

make a snapshot, make a clone, add a new jail to the configs

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Shadow__X:

.24-fixes? i thought .24 didnt exist yet ;)

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wagnerrp:

takes ~30 seconds

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wagnerrp:

0.24 does not exist yet

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wagnerrp:

but 0.24-fixes has been branched weeks ago

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Beirdo:

we are fixing it before it exists

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Beirdo:

go figure

[04:49:30]

Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

0.24 is a point release on the 0.24-fixes branch, which has not occured yet

[04:49:45]

Beirdo:

and it will be the last confusing release

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Shadow__X:

:( thought i could poke some fun there

[04:50:14]

wagnerrp:

yeah, seems next release the branch and release will be simultaneous

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wagnerrp:

rather than it being branched, and then cleaned up for release

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Beirdo:

that's the plan

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Shadow__X:

ah ok that sounds good

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** sphery would also like to see us not do tarballs of the betas/rcs **

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Beirdo:

we can just tag em

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sphery:

if you want to run development/testing code, use SVN

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Beirdo:

and let people pull the tag

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sphery:

tarballs are for releases

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

or, better, pull trunk

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sphery:

so they get the fixes

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Beirdo:

unless you are testing the tarballing itself

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[R]:

pull the trunk?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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[R]:

that's what she saaid

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Beirdo:

!salmon [R]

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** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of [R] on behalf of Beirdo... **

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

and then the elephant trampled [R]

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Beirdo:

nah, it farted and blew him across the room

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** wagnerrp is finally revisionin' his scripts **

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Beirdo:

yay

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sphery:

heh, so it's kind of like a person's finger, then

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and copyrighting them

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sphery:

oh, no, wait, everything on the web is public domain

[04:53:44]

Beirdo:

oO

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sphery:

(per http://www.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=14952 )

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wagnerrp:

hehe, you saw that?

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[R]:

oh... sweet!

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sphery:

yeah, kormoc linked it

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** [R] downlods everyhting **

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sphery:

and it turns out Cooks Source is a serial offender: http://www.edrants.com/the-cooks-source-scand . . . ts-on-theft/

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wagnerrp:

yeah, theres a facebook page set up to collect a list of offenses

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sphery:

(though--at least in the examples given--hasn't yet become a cereal offender)

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wagnerrp:

someone else mentioned a couple days ago i should copyright that stuff

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[R]:

they can say the B word but not the S word

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sphery:

yay, my patch works.

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[R]:

what is wrong with america

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Beirdo:

blah blah blah

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me, ive got an updated version of the remote control ive got to put up

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sphery:

one line patch, requiring 3 hours of testing

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sphery:

wagnerrp: a python remote now?

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Beirdo:

sphery: sounds like me last night

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythremctl.py

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wagnerrp:

a lot of that has been consumed by the bindings

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sphery:

Beirdo: you were doing more than 3 hours of testing, it seemed--all while I ate my pumpkin pie ice cream and watched TV

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[R]:

wtf

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, cool.. I think you showed that to me when we were first getting scripts into the wiki, and I even ran it then

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sphery:

I just forgot

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[R]:

this guy just seriously said "no one uses semaphores anymore"

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Beirdo:

sphery: true

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it was actually rewritten from something else someone posted to the channel a couple years ago

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sphery:

[R]: isn't that the kind of wheat they use to make good pasta?

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[R]:

sphery: huh?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'll be impressed when you get the pygtk version done

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

[R]: semolina

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sphery:

bad joke

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

[R]: are you talking about the visual communication? or computing concept?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: computing

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wagnerrp:

if there was ever a use for semaphores, there remains a use for semaphores

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wagnerrp:

any time you make a thread pool or process pool, you use a semaphore

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[R]:

_I_ know that...

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wagnerrp:

who said this?

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[R]:

some moron on ##linux

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sphery:

Q: What's a semaphore, anyway? A: Them's those trucks they use to pull big sema trailers.

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

sphery: oh... NOW i get it

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[R]:

sema for

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

What's a henway?

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[R]:

i dunno

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wagnerrp:

couple pounds

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[R]:

HAHA

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wagnerrp:

why is someone still using a 160GB drive

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wagnerrp:

its as if they just wanted the capability of a commercial DVR

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[R]:

i have a 1.5tb, 1tb, and 120gb

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[R]:

i have a 160 somewhere... but i only have 2 sata interfaces on that box

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[R]:

yes... the 120 is IDE

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[R]:

dog the bounty hunter is such a... whats the word...

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[R]:

hes like white trash/redneck but hes got money

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wagnerrp:

ive got like two dozen old function SATA and IDE drives, probably totaling well over a TB

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wagnerrp:

but theyre just too small to be of any use

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wagnerrp:

ive got a top-loading caddy

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wagnerrp:

and ill just drop one in if i need some temporary scratch space

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[R]:

its weird... when baby lyssa first got on the show... she was ugly... than she was hot... now shes ugly again

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wagnerrp:

a 'hot' baby?

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[R]:

shes like 24

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[R]:

he just calls her baby lyssa

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sphery:

and with that, it's time for a late-night snack and TV

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k-man:

[R]: which show is that?

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[R]:

k-man: dog the bounty hunter

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k-man:

interesting

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[R]:

whiich part?

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k-man:

the show

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k-man:

never heard of it before

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[R]:

its on A&E

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k-man:

i am in Australia

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[R]:

oh

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k-man:

i just saw the website though

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k-man:

looks kinda interesting

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[R]:

its semi-fake

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k-man:

the site has a kind of WWF look about it

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[R]:

lol

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flexy:

Hi, I have one cable tv source, (DVB-C) which has FTA channels and paycard (CONAX) channels. What is the correct way to set up channels? I have several dvb cards, but only one has the paycard for it. Is it possible to setup the channels so that paycardless dvb-c cards show only fta channels AND dvb-c card with paycard shows payed channels + FTA channels?

[07:24:30]

flexy:

at the moment I have it configured with 2 sources, FTA channels on one and pay channels on another...

[07:27:58]

flexy:

ages ago I tried to configure all the channels to another source (and fta channels to another), but I could not get the EPG show every channel.

[07:31:29]

flexy:

have googled for this alot, but I can't find solution

[07:33:56]

flexy:

there is a check box for fta only in some setup page for dvb cards, IIRC... does that do what I'm looking for?

[07:35:42]

flexy:

trying is an option, but it takes a lot of time to arrange channels and xmltv ids after deleting channels and doing channel scan...

[07:36:11]

flexy:

WAF takes a hit... :/

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eternis:

that's funny Iron man runs with a big LED in the middle of htis chest

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ikevin:

hi

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ikevin:

i've a directory recursion like Series/<Serie name>/<Season X>/files.avi

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ikevin:

i've setted all fanart, covers, screenshot, ... on all files

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ikevin:

while i browse my movie per directory, i can see some directory (<Serie name> level) has covers and screenshot setted and other don't have

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ikevin:

how can i set cover and screenshot file thoose directory?

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ikevin:

no ideas?

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ikevin:

Ok, found, that because the directory name is not the same as the id tag

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skd5aner:

your toaster might not yet be wifi enabled, but your scale can be – http://www.amazon.com/Withings-WBS01-Wifi-Bod . . . pd_sim_hpc_4

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bjd:

aha, but is it ipv6 enabled?

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skd5aner:

Nope, but it does have a built in webserver

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skd5aner:

and, it can even TWEET your weight for you automatically!

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iprouteth0:

anyone configure mythweb on gentoo?

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JEDIDIAH__:

there is probably a nice writeup on the web somewhere.

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Lala_Chersi:

hi there

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Lala_Chersi:

me = noob in fedora ..... cannot install msi tv tuner on fedora .... can someone help

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wagnerrp:

what tuner?

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Lala_Chersi:

tv@nywhere plus

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, we dont actually support tuner cards, we just use the API

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wagnerrp:

linuxtv actually writes the drivers and API

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wagnerrp:

see http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/MSI_TV@nywhere_A/D

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wagnerrp:

once you get the card recognized in linux (you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0), we can help

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sgsax:

so I just upgraded my mythbox and now am getting a perl error when running mythtv-status

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wagnerrp:

what error specifically?

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sgsax:

Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/bin/mythtv-status line 867

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-status is that long?

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sgsax:

I'm guessing a value isn't getting read in somewhere, so the comparison fails

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sgsax:

apparently :)

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wagnerrp:

well if it got that far, youve got the perl bindings installed and working

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wagnerrp:

which means its a problem with the script

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wagnerrp:

which we didnt write or support

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sgsax:

who does support that?

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wagnerrp:

andrew ruthven, apparently... checking out the script

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sgsax:

same here

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sgsax:

it's also not reporting my encoder status correctly, I was wondering if that error was related

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt seem to use the perl bindings... but i thought that program hit the backend protocol at some point

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wagnerrp:

no, looks like status xml only

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wagnerrp:

line 867 is... usage text, not perl

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sgsax:

sorry, I have 0.9.3–1

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sgsax:

same as the debian lenny release

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wagnerrp:

huh... newest on his website is 0.9.0

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sgsax:

yeah, you can find it in his git tree

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wagnerrp:

hasnt been touched in over two years

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sgsax:

this box is ubuntu 10.10

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sgsax:

ok, looks like it's trying to get the drive usage stats, but that value isn't getting populated

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sgsax:

so it's trying to compare (<undef> < <threshold>)

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wagnerrp:

possibly because its designed to use an old version of the page

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wagnerrp:

so the data is not in the format it expects

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sgsax:

agreed

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sgsax:

ok, so if I look at what the xml status from mythweb is actually returning, it looks like my encoders are ok after all

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sgsax:

well, maybe not

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sgsax:

state=-1, connected=0

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JEDIDIAH__:

screen scraping is a tricky thing, but also something easy enough to do yourself.

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wagnerrp:

screen scraping?

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Beirdo:

why would you screenscrape mythxml?

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Beirdo:

just get the XML and parse

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wagnerrp:

its xml, you just parse it

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sgsax:

really, I just wanted an easy way to test the encoder status from the commandline

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sgsax:

though mythtv-status would do it, but it seems to be a bit behind

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wagnerrp:

sgsax: what do you want to know?

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes. it sounds like there is a better/more supported way of doing whatever it is you're interested in.

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sgsax:

I'm trying to finish a hariy upgrade

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sgsax:

*hairy

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wagnerrp:

no, what information are you trying to get

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sgsax:

and trying to get the tuners to work

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wagnerrp:

best to do that from a machine running X

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sgsax:

so just trying to test the progress there

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wagnerrp:

at which point you have a browser, just hit http://backend:6544/

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sgsax:

this machine was a frontend+backend and I'm relegating it to backend only

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter, mythtv-setup requires a machine with an X server

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wagnerrp:

whether it is a local one, or a remote one across the network, doesnt matter

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sgsax:

I'm forwarding X to the desktops I working from, and that's working well enough

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wagnerrp:

so then you have a browser available, just use the backend status page above

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sgsax:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

no sense complicating things with mythtv-status

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sgsax:

so how about a configuraiton question then

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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sgsax:

is ivtv still the best driver to use for hauppauge 150 and 350?

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wagnerrp:

s/best/only/

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sgsax:

heh, ok

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wagnerrp:

but you dont need to fiddle with it

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wagnerrp:

it has been integrated in the stock kernel for years now

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wagnerrp:

well it has been partially integrated ever since 1.0 (2.6.20)

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wagnerrp:

1.4 eliminated the need for a userland component all together

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sgsax:

it looks like it's loading correctly, and I get my video devices

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sgsax:

and I can capture output with cat

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sgsax:

but the status still shows as being disconnected

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wagnerrp:

does it say the tuner is local or remote?

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sgsax:

remote

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sgsax:

should be local, right?

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wagnerrp:

the tuner is defined against a hostname other than what the backend actually is

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wagnerrp:

you split your backend and frontend?

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sgsax:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

meaning your backend is now a different hostname?

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sgsax:

yes

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wagnerrp:

so in mythtv-setup, running on the backend

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wagnerrp:

delete all defined cards on all hosts

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sgsax:

but I've been using IPs to configure everything

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wagnerrp:

and then add back in your mpeg2 cards

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sgsax:

ah, that makes sense

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sgsax:

I'll try that in a bit, have a lunch mtg, thanks for the advice

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wagnerrp:

you have to use IPs in those two boxes so mythtv knows where to access itself

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sgsax:

I have a couple more configuration issues with this split, so I'll be back later

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wagnerrp:

but internally, mythtv indexes all settings using the hostname

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sgsax:

gotcha

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sgsax:

though I got all the config files, but I'm guessing these are stored in the db?

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wagnerrp:

everything is stored in the db, except how to access the db

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skd5aner:

bye bye Apple Xserve

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sgsax:

makes sense, thanks

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skd5aner:

you will not be missed

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: never liked the XServes?

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skd5aner:

was a damn sexy rackmount server though – http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/11/xse . . . ts-place.ars

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: just kinda pointless (and expensive) in my opinion

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wagnerrp:

how much did they sell them for?

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wagnerrp:

i mean all rackmount stuff has a fairly high markup

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skd5aner:

starting at $3000 – http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ma . . . =MTY3ODQ5OTY

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skd5aner:

not unreasonable, but still

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smudgeblot:

anyone know if a cheap universal remote could program into mythtv if I have a usb IR receiver on the box?

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skd5aner:

Again – I will say that it was damn sexy :)

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wagnerrp:

for a single quad core xeon, 3GB of memory, and 160GB hard drive... yeah, thats a bit excessive

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wagnerrp:

and the 'sexiness' is just a nice front panel

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skd5aner:

In rack, what else matters? :D

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skd5aner:

but, I only spend 2% more than I might otherwise for sexiness ;)

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skd5aner:

max

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wagnerrp:

so buy a normal machine, a billet of aluminum, and a dremel

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wagnerrp:

aluminum is fairly soft, easy to work

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wagnerrp:

what is that row of blue lights on the top?

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skd5aner:

I've never used an xserve, so don't take me as an expert and I've only see one one time

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skd5aner:

in person

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skd5aner:

I know a friend who's got a lathe and a CNC mill, so a dremel wouldn't be necessary ;)

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wagnerrp:

smudgeblot: if your IR receiver accepts generic commands, or if your universal remote can be programmed to the remote the IR receiver expects, you can make it work

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wagnerrp:

well sure, if you've got access to big boy tools, go for it

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wagnerrp:

most people dont have access to the $10Ks needed for those

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skd5aner:

regardless – who needs a sexy rack server... and who needs to pay a premium for a Mac based server?

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skd5aner:

eh

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wagnerrp:

a nice lathe is a couple grand, a nice mill is considerably more, and for a CNC controlled one...

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skd5aner:

oh, yea – wasn't saying "eh" to that... I definitely know :)

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wagnerrp:

$200 for a dual channel gigabit card

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smudgeblot:

wagnerrp: thanks

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: for the Xserve?

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wagnerrp:

i remember paying like $70 for a dual channel PCIX intel-e1000 a couple years back

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: granted, it's not like component cards for IBM and HP rack mounts are genearlly cheap either, but...

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skd5aner:

I mean, go try and customize a basic powerbook and upgrade the HD and RAM and you'll be spending about $800 more

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wagnerrp:

are those deeper than a normal rack?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you around?

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wagnerrp:

did that memory consumption guy end up just being a case of looping symlink?

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wagnerrp:

just asking as one of my frontends is sitting here in the main menu at 700MB consumption after playback of a single 30 minute show

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I think they're standard U size

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wagnerrp:

well width and thickness is standard

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wagnerrp:

but i dont think length (depth) is

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wagnerrp:

i hate the hotswap on commercial systems

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wagnerrp:

they all have to sell their own drives in their own custom 'drive modules'

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wagnerrp:

and change like triple the going rate for them

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JEDIDIAH__:

I'm surprised Apple never got into that.

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JEDIDIAH__:

modular consumer macs with highly proprietary parts and highway robbery prices.

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JEDIDIAH__:

although I suppose their current racket is working well enough for them.

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wagnerrp:

well they do that with their professional hardware

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JEDIDIAH__:

doesn't everyone?

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wagnerrp:

the xserves and mac pro towers all have such a 'drive module'

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wagnerrp:

they charge $450 for a cart and 2TB hard drive

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wagnerrp:

5x00RPM drives are readily available for under $100, 7200RPM drives are available for well under $200, and even the 'raid edition' drives go for under $300

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I'm here now.

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wagnerrp:

that cart cant possibly more than $5 of metal and plastic

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Beirdo:

yeah, it was circular symlinks in his case

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wagnerrp:

ah, so unrelated to this

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wagnerrp:

nevermind then

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Beirdo:

no problem

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Beirdo:

I got the joy of riding the bus sitting beside the drunk crazy lady on the way into work

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Beirdo:

mumbling about all sorts of stupidity

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Beirdo:

she actually got offended and moved when I put in headphones and cranked up the 80s metal

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forrest:

hi there, anyone uses mythtv with a STB here?

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forrest:

I'm struggling configure my mythtv to work with a s-video + audio source

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wagnerrp:

forrest: you should just be plugging your STB audio output into the input on your tuner card

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wagnerrp:

and your tuner/capture card should be multiplexing it into an mpeg stream with the encoded video

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forrest:

yeah I got it work with VLC

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forrest:

but then in mythtv nothing

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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forrest:

PVR150

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forrest:

haupauge I think should be well supported

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wagnerrp:

it should, yes

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wagnerrp:

you have it added as an mpeg encoder card?

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forrest:

no I added it as Analog V4L capture card

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forrest:

so it should be IVTV mpeg-2?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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forrest:

nope, still same behaviour

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forrest:

ret_pid(12604) child(12604) status(0x100)

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forrest:

2010-11–05 18:52:56.629 ChannelBase: external tuning program exited with error 1

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forrest:

2010-11–05 18:52:56.666 TVRec(16) Error: Failed to set channel to 41. Reverting to kState_None

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forrest:

2010-11–05 18:52:56.674 TVRec(16): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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forrest:

2010-11–05 18:52:56.736 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '3025_20101105185246.mpg'

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forrest:

that's the tail of mythtbackend.log

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forrest:

I set default channel to 41

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forrest:

I created a dummy channel changer script

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wagnerrp:

just use '/bin/true' for now

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wagnerrp:

the 'default channel' is for when you are using an external channel with a tuner card

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wagnerrp:

you must set the tuner to some channel, usually 3 or 3

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wagnerrp:

4

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wagnerrp:

you are using the capture inputs, so the default channel should not be set

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forrest:

ok

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forrest:

sorry I mistaken, I set preset tuner to channel 3, starting channel 41

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forrest:

do I have to mythtfilldatabase after each change with mythtv-setup? cause i takes some time

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wagnerrp:

have you changed your channel lineup?

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forrest:

ah

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wagnerrp:

if not, there is no reason to run mythfilldatabase

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forrest:

thanks looks like receive something

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wagnerrp:

and channel 3 or 41 is irrelevant

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wagnerrp:

you are using svideo capture

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forrest:

how do I change color standard?

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wagnerrp:

svideo is baseband, not rf modulated

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forrest:

looks like it is using the wrong one

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wagnerrp:

you are not using a tuner to set the channel for

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forrest:

I see

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forrest:

yay,, got the sound, but the image is weird, how do I tell mythtv to use SECAM? (I'm in France)

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wagnerrp:

the tuner card should do it automatically

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forrest:

hmm, I'm getting the same image as when I use VLC and open the source as PAL,

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forrest:

nevermind, found it

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forrest:

thanks you wagnerrp

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sgsax:

ok, deleted and readded the capture cards, and re-established the input connections

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sgsax:

looks like the backend is back in business

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sgsax:

so I have two more configuration questions

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sgsax:

the frontend has an nVidia GeForce 7600, and I can't seem to get the TV out (svideo) to work

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sgsax:

anybody recommend a good reference for this?

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wagnerrp:

you have a mouse and monitor handy?

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wagnerrp:

easiest is to just hook up a monitor, and use the 'nvidia-settings' program to set it to use the TV output

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sgsax:

I'm ssh'ed in from a remote host

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sgsax:

and I've tried using the nvidia-settings tool, but it doesn't detect the tv

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sgsax:

aha, think I might have the tv out configured

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sgsax:

no errors in Xorg.0.log anymore

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sgsax:

have to wait until I get home to see if it actually did work

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stevieman:

I have a quick question about the sdlmame entry in the wiki, It mentions how to quite out of sdlmame using lirc. It says to put an entry in ~/.lircrc, do I create a file called sdlmame and put the code in there. Similar to the files in ~/.lirc?

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wagnerrp:

~/.lircrc is the default file that all LIRC capable programs

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wagnerrp:

in order to make things cleaner, some distros use a ~/.lirc folder

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wagnerrp:

under which they have multiple lircrc files that get imported by the main ~/.lircrc

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: ah, I'm going to assume that Mythbuntu uses the latter since I have a ~/.lirc folder with a number of files in it

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stevieman:

also, I have a folder in my video's folder that isn't showing up in myth. Even with I do a Scan for changes it doesn't appear

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stevieman:

That should read 'Even when I do a' and not ' Even with I do a'

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Chat8901:

fagz

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tgm4883:

?

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tgm4883:

Ban maybe ^^

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sgsax:

pay no attention to the troll

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tgm4883:

that was a little random

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wagnerrp:

seems that was from a /19, registered to a hosting company in texas

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sgsax:

anybody know if this is still valid for ubuntu 10.10: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install

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JEDIDIAH__:

the wiki seems to think that sdlmame doesn't support lirc

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JEDIDIAH__:

xmame does though. I've used lirc with it for a long time.

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stevieman:

sdlmame doesn't support lirc, I've tried, I've read lots, almost tempting to switch to xmame to be able to use the remote for coin and player up button presses

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wagnerrp:

stevieman: irxevent?

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: I haven't triend that yet. I thought about that but I haven't gotten the button press code in the mythgame wiki working yet. Also apparently sdlmame sees a button press and a button release.

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sgsax:

any other mythbuntu folks here?

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stevieman:

sgsax: yep

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sgsax:

if you run mythbuntu-control-center and select a remote, that just sets up the button mappings, right?

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sgsax:

it doesn't change the configuration of lircd?

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wagnerrp:

if its a supported remote

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sgsax:

I've been using the hauppauge TV remote that came with my 350

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sgsax:

but now that I'm using a seperate frontend, I bought an irblaster to use as an ir receiver

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sgsax:

and want to use the same remote with that receiver

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sgsax:

so I think I have lirc setup to use the serial receiver

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draioch:

sgsax: been thinking about buying the pvr-350 whats it like

[20:52:39]

sgsax:

I've been happy with it

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AndyCap:

draioch: old? :P

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sgsax:

I also have a 150

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wagnerrp:

not available for purchase

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sgsax:

I bought mine 2+ yrs ago

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AndyCap:

sgsax: on ebay? :P

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wagnerrp:

end-of-lifed

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sgsax:

nope

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sgsax:

I wanted it because of the integrated mpeg2 encoder

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wagnerrp:

the whole PVR line has been EOLd

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sgsax:

yeah, I've noticed that

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sgsax:

lucky mine still works well :)

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wagnerrp:

you would have had to jump through some hoops to buy one retail two years ago

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sgsax:

don't know what to tell you, pretty sure I bought it from newegg.com at the time

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draioch:

andycap: wha u mean sorry or should i buy something else

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around 2–3 years ago, newegg was selling HVR-1600s in PVR-150 boxes

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sgsax:

mine is definitely a PRV-150

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sgsax:

unless lspci is lying to me

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wagnerrp:

anyway... you cant buy one new, and you wouldnt want to buy a 350 even used

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sgsax:

so with the irblaster, as long as lirc_serial is getting loaded and mythtv is configured to use the hauppauge button mappings, it *should* work fine?

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AndyCap:

draioch: maybe find another card that's a little newer.

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wagnerrp:

draioch: what do you want to record?

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AndyCap:

draioch: but there's no digital DVB-T transmissions where you live?

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AndyCap:

i.e. .ie.

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draioch:

thanks guys yea theres no dvt-t in ireland yet was thinking about getting a tv with a dvb-t when it comes out what card would u recommend then thanks

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: thanks for the table formatting fixes

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I didn't spend a lot of time looking, but wanted something that looked a little more proper

[21:04:28]

AndyCap:

draioch: dunno if there's a combination DVB/analog mpeg encoder card like there is/was in the us. I'd check the wiki I guess.

[21:04:57]

AndyCap:

draioch: I was happy with my all analog PVR-500 (two tuners) but use dvb now

[21:05:35]

draioch:

andycap: what card u use now

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wagnerrp:

i think iamlindoro is the one who actually started using that scheme

[21:06:22]

AndyCap:

draioch: um, good question

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JEDIDIAH__:

I dropped the 150 for a HD-PVR as soon as those came out. I was transcoding everything, so it worked out better that way.

[21:06:27]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: well, regardless – it looks much nicer and I appreciate you taking the time to get it "fixed"

[21:06:43]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: do you like the inclusion of the table?

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, decent idea

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AndyCap:

draioch: got two SAA7146 based cards, but don't remember the make, was from DVBshop. technisat or technotrend 1501

[21:07:40]

draioch:

jedidiah_: is it worth gettin the hd-pvr even if everything u watch record is in standard def

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draioch:

andycap:thanks

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AndyCap:

draioch: also have a mantis based technisat or technotrend card. (opposite of the saa7146 make) but the drivers weren't quite ready when I first tried that. supposedly they're ok now

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skd5aner:

heh – thanks... I strive for somewhere between "adequate" and "decent" ;)

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AndyCap:

draioch: but this is digital only.

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draioch:

ok thanks

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wagnerrp:

well i mean it makes a lot more sense then forcing people to go into edit mode to see that stuff listed in the comments

[21:10:19]

skd5aner:

yea, I just wanted it to be "at-a-glance" type info you know?

[21:10:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

well, the HD-PVR "compresses" everything into h264. So that will improve your effective storage capacity without running transcoding jobs.

[21:11:18]

AndyCap:

JEDIDIAH__: assuming you don't go for HD

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skd5aner:

... well, depending on "birrates"

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skd5aner:

er, bitrates

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JEDIDIAH__:

the h264 compression is handy even if you don't do HD.

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: well, for both SD and HD it's way more efficient in terms of PQ at a lower bitrate

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JEDIDIAH__:

Like I said. I was doing transcodes for everything with my previous setup. things got a lot more reliable when I stopped that stuff (the transcode jobs)

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skd5aner:

I only transcode when archiving – usually because I will use cutlists to remove 5%-95% of the content

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** JEDIDIAH__ likes having an absurd amount of space and what effectively amounts to VOD **

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skd5aner:

I never have transcoded things that stay in my watch recordings menu

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** AndyCap only does lossless **

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JEDIDIAH__:

I even had an upgraded Tivo with that in mind when I still used Tivos.

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: I do lossless on very few things... would like a true lossless option for h.264, since it's already fairly efficient (as pointed out above)

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: hopefully the majority of channels won't switch until the option is available

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draioch:

so should someone like me who will maybe do watch and record HD in a year but SD for now get a HD-PVR can it record at SD

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: not sure about where you live, but in the US it's all broadcasts are in MPEG2 – it depends on the ENCODER (like an HD-PVR) if it varies from that

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AndyCap:

draioch: you have a cable box?

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k_ross:

since you mention dvb-t, how about a hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1700, it has DVB-T and analog, with hardware MPEG2

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: and all eighttrack tapes as well. ;)

[21:17:06]

skd5aner:

draioch: that all depends on what your source is... cable, satellite, OTA?

[21:17:08]

skd5aner:

and where you live

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JEDIDIAH__:

the HD-PVR will encode whatever you give it. IF it is SD, then you will have an SD recording. Even with an HD STB you can end up with an SD recording if you tell the STB to downscale it's output.

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draioch:

no in ireland no dvb-t or -c for now would maybe use SD satellite

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: I'd rather store the digital stream than decompressing and recompressing it.

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k_ross:

is that dvb-s? or do you need to use a stb and capture the video outputs from it?

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draioch:

jedidiah_: thats very interesting then

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skd5aner:

Well, I don't know if there's a good DVB-C option or not, really have no clue – but DVB-T you should probably get a DVB card

[21:18:27]

skd5aner:

for SD satellite, an HD-PVR to an STB would probably work well

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JEDIDIAH__:

initially, I had my HD-PVR record SD since my frontend boxes weren't up to playing HD h264.

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AndyCap:

if the provider has CAM's available there are good options for DVB-C and -S

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draioch:

ok thanks

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JEDIDIAH__:

h264 is very computatinally intensive.

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AndyCap:

of course that rules out Sky and others that use NDS

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JEDIDIAH__:

SD is not such a big deal but HD is.

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draioch:

my sat will be sky

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draioch:

heard that u can use the subscription card with a dreambox

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AndyCap:

draioch: there are a number of unencrypted channels though, but not sure if that's enough for you

[21:19:59]

AndyCap:

draioch: not a topic that's allowed in here

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k_ross:

sounds like an hd-pvr is in your future. :) that will work with SD now, and HD later if you upgrade

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JEDIDIAH__:

are the HD-PVR inputs cool for ireland though?

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JEDIDIAH__:

and the sky box?

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JEDIDIAH__:

then again, the main driver guy for the device lives in Germany...

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draioch:

andycap: i know i mean i will be paying the sky sub but using a diff box than a sky+ (shit) for recording no cam or anything

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wagnerrp:

draioch: Sky does not authorize any device for reception besides their boxes

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draioch:

jedidiah_: k_ross: thanks im gonna give the HD-PVR a lot of thought

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wagnerrp:

use of any other hardware to access those broadcasts is a violation of your terms of service

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draioch:

wagerrp: ok maybe i just burn the sky card sick of them and hate sky+ too limited storage

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AndyCap:

draioch: now that's an idea. :P

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, you can use the Sky box and an HDPVR to capture their channels

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cookie123:

Hi all – anyone else using trunk and having problems viewing BBC HD or ITV HD?

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draioch:

ok thanks all for that very much appreciated help

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draioch:

:)

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skd5aner:

draioch: yea, don't get confused with what wagnerrp was saying.... you can still use sky + HDPVR

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skd5aner:

draioch: just that you HAVE to use the SKY STB, no other way to receive

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draioch:

ok thanks skd5aner

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draioch:

wha is stb

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skd5aner:

set top box

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draioch:

ok thanks

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wagnerrp:

right, the SKY box must be what is plugged into the dish

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skd5aner:

cable box/satelite box/etc

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skd5aner:

all referred to, generically as the STB

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draioch:

yous guys are great back later and thanks again

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JEDIDIAH__:

Dishie -> STB -> HD-PVR -> mythbox

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draioch:

:)

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AndyCap:

It's time for the penguin on top of your television to explode.

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skd5aner:

draioch: np, yea... wagnerrp was saying the right thing, just wanted to make sure you didn't misinterpret

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cookie123:

Anyone else experiencing play back problems with trunk?

[21:26:50]

skd5aner:

cookie123: gotta be more specific

[21:27:06]

skd5aner:

cookie123: some people experience some playback issues, but not in general

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cookie123:

okay skd... I get lots of errors viewing h264 content

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skd5aner:

what revision of trunk?

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cookie123:

Normally it works a treat

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cookie123:

hang on

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skd5aner:

cookie123: there were just some fixes related to h.264 seektables within the last 2 days

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cookie123:

arhhh skd

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cookie123:

might be what I am seeing

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k_ross:

i thought that only applied if you manually ran mythcommflag --rebuild?

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cookie123:

I am revision 27105.

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skd5aner:

k_ross: honestly – don't know, I don't run trunk...

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cookie123:

skd have those revisions been checked into trunk?

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skd5aner:

cookie123: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9126

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cookie123:

thanks skd ... I'll have a look

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skd5aner:

cookie123: that's basically the latest revision of trunk – so...

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skd5aner:

(that you're running)

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skd5aner:

but, those recordings might have bad seektables... so you could rebuild them and see if that helps with playback

[21:31:27]

skd5aner:

but, full disclosure – I'm stabbing in the dark with those suggestions

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cookie123:

Thanks skd, what I have noticed is that existing hd content which played nice now longer plays without stutters

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skd5aner:

I'm still running 0.23-fixes

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cookie123:

vlc plays the bbc hd content fine ...

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skd5aner:

cookie123: maybe a -v playback would give some additional indications

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cookie123:

Yes skd maybe... that might shed some light

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cookie123:

Also the backend dead locks in trunk

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skd5aner:

feel free to do so and put in pastebin

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skd5aner:

maybe some folks here can take a look

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cookie123:

By the way we love mythtv... even when it doesn't work we love to understand the problems :)

[21:34:39]

skd5aner:

same here – I even try to convience my wife to, but she's not quite as in to the geek stuff like I am ;)

[21:35:13]

skd5aner:

But, I know our marriage would take a hit if I don't keep the mythtv environment stable ;)

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cookie123:

lol skd

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skd5aner:

It only seems to go on the fritz when I'm travelling – of course :P

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cookie123:

lol again @ skd

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cookie123:

My girlfriend is nodding with agreement as I read your comments

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skd5aner:

:D

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cookie123:

Just restarted mythbackend, lots of these kind of messages when I play back bbc HD 2010-11–05 21:34:56.924 [h264 @ 0x7f104c5bc6c0]reference picture missing during reorder

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cookie123:

I know the content has recorded fine because it plays back in VLC a ok

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skd5aner:

eh – that's a bit beyond my ability to easily troubleshoot with you

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cookie123:

That's okay SKD...

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skd5aner:

you might just want to do a -v playback on the frontend (unless you backend is constantly crashing – in which case you should look at getting logs and maybe a backtrace from the backend too) and post the full log in pastebin

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cookie123:

Either I will regress to a saved package from 3 weeks ago or I'm sure one of the devs will also notice the problems

[21:39:05]

cookie123:

What's pastebin?

[21:39:21]

skd5aner:

cookie123: yea, if you can narrow it down to a release, or at least a set of releases, that instigates the problems, that would help

[21:39:39]

skd5aner:

cookie123: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/

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skd5aner:

you can paste the log there so that people can read it here

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cookie123:

<< need to get it working so we can watch strickly in HD tomorrow

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cookie123:

Oh I see skd

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skd5aner:

so, like I said – if the backend is stable, I'd do a "mythtfrontend -v playback" and see what it says during playback of a file exhibiting the problem" – only a few seconds of playback would probably be necessary

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skd5aner:

at least until the problem exhibits itself

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skd5aner:

mythfrontend -v playback -l /home/blah/playback.log or something like that

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cookie123:

Thanks skd

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skd5aner:

and then, if you can rollback to a previous version that doesn't exhibit the behavior... then you can narrow it down to the changeset that started to cause the problem, that would REALLY help

[21:42:37]

skd5aner:

(that is, if the problem is a particular changeset and not the media itself)

[21:42:51]

skd5aner:

but, since you said it plays back fine in other players...

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cookie123:

That sounds reasonable I just have a 3 gap window been svn up's

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cookie123:

So 3 weeks worth of changes

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cookie123:

Out of interest has anyone got VAAPI working on an intel i5/i3 setup

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cookie123:

I've built it on maverick with the enable_vaapi settings and couldn't see any difference

[22:00:52]

cookie123:

Only the h264 issues already mentioned

[22:01:31]

cookie123:

But I also built the same version on Lucid and also got the same h264 issues

[22:01:50]

cookie123:

Anyone seen vaapi working on MythFrontend?

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smudgeblot:

Hey, I was wondering if someone could lead me to a guide or help on figuring out surround sound for onboard 7.1 (ALC888 chipset)

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cookie123:

Out of interest why 7.1?

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cookie123:

Most DVD's are 5.1

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smudgeblot:

well, really just need 5.1. The chipset is 7.1

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cookie123:

So you're looking at analog

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BLZbubba:

what is the feasibility of using the boxee netflix plugin with mythtv?

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cookie123:

Have you googled mythtv alsa

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smudgeblot:

cookie123: I'm guessing so...I don't think there is any way to do digital with the onboard sound and my video card has no audio output

[22:17:51]

BLZbubba:

smudgeblot: get a video card with hdmi out

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cookie123:

Smudge you should be able to get this all working

[22:18:04]

BLZbubba:

or a motherboard with hdmi out even

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BLZbubba:

that is the easiest way

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cookie123:

I had 5.1 outs working ...... with alsa and mythtv

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cookie123:

does work quite well

[22:18:39]

cookie123:

Just google mythtv and alsa....

[22:18:44]

smudgeblot:

BLZbubba: If there was a way to get surround sound without having to throw some bucks for a new video/audio card, that'd be much better (i have 8400gs)

[22:19:01]

smudgeblot:

so what is alsa vs bit perfect audio? I read something about that as well, but didn't understand

[22:19:56]

BLZbubba:

smudgeblot: what audio out options do you have?

[22:20:02]

BLZbubba:

s/pdif?

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cookie123:

bit perfect is for a digital connection like hdmi not analogs

[22:20:54]

BLZbubba:

i'm not sure how to have mythtv or the kernel decode ac3/dts to a 6 channel sound card; it may be possible

[22:21:06]

cookie123:

But to be honest if you're looking for lossless audio like DTS Master etc .....you're looking at blu-ray so buy one

[22:21:18]

skd5aner:

cookie123: VAAPI is experimental

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cookie123:

Mythtv is great at what it does.. but Blu-ray does have a place when you're looking at bit perfect audio

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smudgeblot:

nah, don't need bluray...all I want is for my back speakers as well as front to have sound for tv (i.e. a show on tv comes on with surround sound and I play it through mythtv, i'd like to still hear surround sound)

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cookie123:

thanks SKD

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cookie123:

Hey smudge that's doable

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smudgeblot:

maybe all I need to do is get a headphone to stereo jack and plug it in to my tv...but don't know if there's more to set up

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cookie123:

Just need to configure alsa......

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cookie123:

maybe also upmixing is worth a read

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cookie123:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA_upmixing

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cookie123:

No use the 5.1 pre-outs ....... this will give you 5.1... upmix to 7.1 if you need to

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cookie123:

It does work really well.... for films

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smudgeblot:

5.1 pre-outs?

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cookie123:

On your sound card .... you have 7.1 outs ...... they need to go into something

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cookie123:

An amp or active speakers

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smudgeblot:

cookie123: ok...here's what I have: a surround sound that is hooked to the tv (doesnt have inputs for multiple sources) and audio out from tv to S.S.sys. If I plug into the 5.1 pre-out, would that plug into my tv R/W spot ?

[22:27:10]

ourtv_:

i upgraded to 10.10 soon after it was released. had an issue with sound not playing. it's been fixed until it just broke again. throuble is i don't remember what the problem was. is there an extra common sound problem with 10.10 people are having?

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cookie123:

You need the pre-outs to go into an amp or active speakers ......not the tv

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cookie123:

The tv is normally just used as a monitor for a 5.1 set up

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cookie123:

Does that make sense?

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smudgeblot:

I think so. The amp then goes to the tv?

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cookie123:

Only the video signal or hdmi

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ourtv_:

ok. it's a mythtv setting. not the pc.

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ourtv_:

now i think it's coming back.

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cookie123:

i.e mythtv -> amp (audi) -> tv (visual)

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cookie123:

I use to have this setup ...... and it did work really nicely

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smudgeblot:

ok....thanks cookie. I'll check out my tv/eq and see what options I have =)

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cookie123:

Good luck smudge..... then use the alsa settings in mythtv

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JEDIDIAH__:

mythvideo is a much better UI than most DVD players, it's probably the same for BD too.

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JEDIDIAH__:

more consistent of course too...

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cookie123:

I have mythtv and blu-ray for now this covers most basis

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CyberKnet:

Still getting 0 byte recordings :|

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CyberKnet:

still only on some analog recordings...

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CyberKnet:

Nothing weird in mythbackend log file... nothing at all in the mythlog table.

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CyberKnet:

Is there something I can do to have the backend output more verbose logging information when starting to record a show?

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sphery:

CyberKnet: that generally means the capture device is not providing any data to be written to the file

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sphery:

so myth is writing all of the data it's given, which is why there are no errors

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CyberKnet:

sphery: does it add up that myth would stop the recording when it realizes no data is being fed?

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CyberKnet:

logs indicate it stops after ~30s

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sphery:

no code to do that as of now

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sphery:

myth assumes your devices actually work... :)

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sphery:

there are plans to add some checks at some point

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sphery:

but no one has come up with a clean way to do so

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CyberKnet:

Sure enough, going into live tv and switching input to analog shows no picture.

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CyberKnet:

dagnabbit.

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CyberKnet:

I should have thought to check something like that.

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sphery:

usb-based capture?

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CyberKnet:

no, PVR-500

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sphery:

hmmm... weird

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CyberKnet:

rebooted last night to check that too.

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sphery:

even when an STB is turned off, a PVR-x50 tends to give you a nice recording of blackness and silent

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CyberKnet:

well... my tv picture is blackness and silent right now

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CyberKnet:

but hitting menu gives me no love

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CyberKnet:

so I assume no data is coming in

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CyberKnet:

remind me ... we add high priority cards and inputs to mythtvsetup first, right?

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sphery:

yeah, a recording of blackness and silence would actually have a file size (nice and small, but still > 0)

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CyberKnet:

instead of setting priorities

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sphery:

connect input in the order you want them used for recordings

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CyberKnet:

right.

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sphery:

add cards in the order you want them used for Live TV

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sphery:

can differ

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CyberKnet:

I'll delete the "cards" for the PVR-500 tonight and re-add them to see if it fixes this.

[23:56:47]

CyberKnet:

If not ... augh.

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CyberKnet:

the analog support for HVR-2250 ... anyone know how good it is yet?

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sphery:

I'd recommend the Delete all capture cards approach

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sphery:

won't affect your video sources/channels, either

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sphery:

so it's quick and easy

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CyberKnet:

orly

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CyberKnet:

I didn't know it wouldn't affect sources/channels.

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CyberKnet:

I figured I'd have to rescan

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sphery:

you'll need 0.24-fixes or trunk to use the HVR-2250

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CyberKnet:

(not on the 500... on the 2250

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CyberKnet:

I use the 2250 now ... just not for analog.

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sphery:

and also may need out-of-kernel, upgraded V4L/DVB drivers

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sphery:

yeah, for 2250 analog

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sphery:

Beirdo is using it, now, with trunk, though

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CyberKnet:

I was just thinking if I were to need to replace the PVR-500, I'd rather replace it with a HVR-2250 than another PVR-500

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sphery:

yeah, I'd do the same

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sphery:

and with 0.24 close, no reason not to run it

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CyberKnet:

trunk + out of tree V4L/DVB sounds a bit daunting though.

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sphery:

only challenge may be the drivers

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sphery:

but, maybe your distro will make that easy, too

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CyberKnet:

well... I'll not cry over that until I know I need to do it.

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CyberKnet:

distro makes running ~trunk not too hard.

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Beirdo:

the drivers are in the V4L/DVB tree now

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CyberKnet:

V4L/DVB I've done before while HVR-2250 wasn't mainline so it's not a big deal.

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Beirdo:

not sure when it will hit vanilla kernel

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CyberKnet:

Aaah.

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CyberKnet:

right.

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