Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, November 1st, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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k-man:

wagnerrp: what sort of monitor is it? (its not CRT is it?)

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wagnerrp:

samsung LCD

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wagnerrp:

little over 4yrs old

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k-man:

back in the day, i repaired a few CRT monitors that had dry solder joints

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k-man:

i just poked around the circuit board with an insulator until i found a loose connection, then soldered it and it fixed it

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wagnerrp:

i believe the warranty is only 3yrs

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k-man:

an fault that involves warming up like you said sounds like a dry joint to me

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wagnerrp:

im thinking more a CCFL ballast gone bad

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wagnerrp:

it surges

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wagnerrp:

it blinks on, but doesnt have enough power to sustain it, so it draws too much power and the whole thing shuts down

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k-man:

could it be related to the capacitor scandal?

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Beirdo:

or the Clinton scandal?

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wagnerrp:

charges up again, gets up enough voltage to spark the gap, and drops again

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wagnerrp:

you dont 'build up ionization' in a CCFL do you?

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wagnerrp:

i mean it looks exactly like a tube light flickering trying to power up

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wagnerrp:

except it affects the entire monitor

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k-man:

wagnerrp: not sure – maybe ask on #electronics?

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Beirdo:

come on, stupid devel box

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Beirdo:

finish rebooting

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wagnerrp:

look at that, other people having the same exact issue

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wagnerrp:

'the bulb needs to be replaced in a sterile environment. contact online service to set up a maintenance request'

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Beirdo:

OK, I'm gonna go shoot the devel box, BRB

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k-man:

cripes, in a sterile environment? *sigh* why do they make these things so difficult? :)

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wagnerrp:

because it lets them charge money to do so

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wagnerrp:

does no one sell 4:3 monitors anymore?

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wagnerrp:

1600x900 start at $120, but its $900 for a 1600x1200

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k-man:

i hate how vertical resolution has been compromised

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wagnerrp:

1920x1080 for $130, or $290 for 1920x1200

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

more than twice the price for 120 more vertical lines

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k-man:

perhaps making long narrow screens is cheaper?

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wagnerrp:

newegg doesnt let you search by viewing angle anymore

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Beirdo:

hehe

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KimK:

How can I best troubleshoot the part of MythTV that downloads the screen art, year, etc.? I just get boxes like [?] for cover art. I have a working internet connection.

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wagnerrp:

KimK: did you tell it to download screen art, year, etc...?

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KimK:

how do I do that?

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wagnerrp:

select a video, hit 'w'

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wagnerrp:

are you using 0.23 or 0.24?

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KimK:

wagnerrp: Thanks for the W! (I've got to Google that reference card!) On one video it says "Video Search Failed", and "! Error: Could not connect to server: <urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or [ OK ]". On another video it says "Video Search Failed", and "Error: Unknown error during a title search (MAGNI7)". I tried to find out from the console what version with no success, but http:www.mythbuntu.org/ says "MythTV 0.23 build 24104 is included".

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KimK:

Rats, that was supposed to be clickable. Fixed: http://www.mythbuntu.org/

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wagnerrp:

if you are running the stock 0.23 that comes with mythbuntu 10.04, you must upgrade

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KimK:

Maybe I have already? ("Update Manager", etc.?) How can I check version from a console/terminal? What are the problems associated with 0.23 that requires the upgrade? apt-get was not particularly forthcoming.

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wagnerrp:

k-man: i just realized how ridiculous that samsung statement is

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wagnerrp:

claiming that the monitor needs to be opened in a clean room to replace the bulb

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wagnerrp:

the back of the panel is not sealed

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wagnerrp:

i /know/ its not sealed because i get spider mites crawling around back inside there occasionally

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[R]:

ewww

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wagnerrp:

'theres a bug on my monitor, why cant i squish it... oh, theres a big /in/ my monitor'

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k-man:

hehe

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KimK:

wagnerrp: Yow, I didn't know that was possible. And this is on an LCD flat panel?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

between the panel and the backlight

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wagnerrp:

i really hate it when these things are screwless

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KimK:

Oh, I thought maybe you had found an LCD flat panel with a real piece of glass over it, that could be handy for rough environments, manufacturing and so forth.

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k-man:

did you see that article re the Mac Book Air, apparantly you DO have to dismantle the screen of that device in a clean room?

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** LabMonkey sighs. **

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LabMonkey:

I managed to quell the uhci_hid syslog spam by turning off usb verbose debugging

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LabMonkey:

but lirc is still misconfigured

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LabMonkey:

and I don't see why

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KimK:

wagnerrp: It seems that I have been summoned to take over Halloween door duty. When you finish your display repair, please feel free to write any advice you have for me on the above errors and I'll read it when I get back, maybe in a couple of hours? Thanks very much in advance.

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LabMonkey:

KimK: Those little miscreants are trying to invade my home.

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

KimK: there were some changes on themoviedb.org and thetvdb.com that make the revision of mythtv incapable of downloading artwork

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wagnerrp:

thats beyond the fact that youre running a buggy, pre-release version of 0.23

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k-man:

wagnerrp: i was trying to get mythvidexport going last night, but after upgrading to .24 i still get an error: status: error: "VideoGrabber" object has no attribute 'searchTitle"

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wagnerrp:

youre running the wrong version of the script for your installed bindings

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wagnerrp:

specifically, the 0.23 version against the 0.24 bindings

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wagnerrp:

i need about fourteen hands to do this properly

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k-man:

wagnerrp: so... there is more than one version of the script?

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wagnerrp:

the discussion page

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k-man:

oh--- tricky

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LabMonkey:

a bunch of spring clamps

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k-man:

may i humbly suggest that using the wiki for storing scripts is not ideal?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but neither was the repository

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k-man:

maybe a seperate repository?

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k-man:

wagnerrp: may i also humbly suggest you include an explicit license somewhere in your script?

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wagnerrp:

there are far more layers in this thing than i had espected

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Beirdo:

stupid glitchy OTA recordings

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wagnerrp:

so after i get the whole thing apart

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wagnerrp:

i find some video that mentions this monitor has problems with bulging caps

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wagnerrp:

sure enough, theres three of em right there

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wagnerrp:

easily accessible without even needing a screwdriver

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LabMonkey:

got a hot air station?

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k-man:

wagnerrp: hehe – that was my suggestion

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LabMonkey:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?fun . . . atid=665246#

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** LabMonkey sighs **

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wagnerrp:

not sure how exactly i managed that

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LabMonkey:

solar flares *nod*

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wagnerrp:

no, i fat-fingered some 'close' command

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Beirdo:

better than fart-fingered

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LabMonkey:

woop! remote working!

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k-man:

LabMonkey: what remote?

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LabMonkey:

imon_pad

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LabMonkey:

now to figure out how to set the videos path from cli since that box has no keyboard

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k-man:

xvnc

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k-man:

x11vnc

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k-man:

thats how i do those kinds of jobs

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wagnerrp:

crap

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wagnerrp:

everything is back together and... extra screws

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wagnerrp:

... i thingk

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LabMonkey:

well I can get into the box with neatx/nxclient

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k-man:

hehe.. spare parts

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clever:

LabMonkey: synergy also works well if you want keyb/mouse and dont need video

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LabMonkey:

clever: I had issues with synergy on win7

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wagnerrp:

working fine here

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LabMonkey:

I don't remember what it was, I just remember that I gave up on it almost immediately which tells me that it was something serious

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k-man:

synergy looks cool

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k-man:

ill have to give that a go

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LabMonkey:

hmm... if I run mythfrontend as one user and set the video directory, then run mythfrontend as another user, will that second user have the correct setting?

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clever:

LabMonkey: all config is kept in mysql

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LabMonkey:

erm... in that case I could just do it directly in the db then

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Beirdo:

to the cloud

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arst:

!mysql

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wagnerrp:

?

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arst:

I thought the bot would respond with the 3 commands on how to reconfigure mysql (password, etc)

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arst:

wagnerrp: Do you know what I'm talking about it. I saw it done a couple days ago.

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wagnerrp:

i only know of the one

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wagnerrp:

'grant all'

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arst:

wagnerrp: I mean if you are porting a database between machines you have to change DBPassword to match, etc. There are a few commands to run (same ones that you would run if you couldn't connect to the mysql database).

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LabMonkey:

where did the rescan videos directory menu entry go?

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wagnerrp:

LabMonkey: the whole video manager was removed, and consumed into the main interface

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wagnerrp:

'rescan videos' is under the

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wagnerrp:

'm' menu

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

sounds like I need a newer lircrc

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wagnerrp:

dead UPS does not have the caps i need

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

apparently my lircrc has the M entry

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LabMonkey:

but under the m menu there's no option to rescan

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wagnerrp:

where are you currently?

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LabMonkey:

Media Library -> Watch Videos

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wagnerrp:

'scan for videos' maybe?

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LabMonkey:

I get the Video Options window but the only option is "Play Folder"

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[R]:

wagnerrp: do you know what recordedseek table is?

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LabMonkey:

this cricket is about to drive me bonkers

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wagnerrp:

seek data for recorded

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[R]:

what is seek data? like keyframes?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

theres a 470x25V in an old PSU

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wagnerrp:

but no 820x25V

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wagnerrp:

and i need two

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, i need a 330, not 470

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wagnerrp:

[R]: why do you ask?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: cuz its got like 1.3 million records

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LabMonkey:

lol

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LabMonkey:

female unit just texted me, "I just ate a ton of candy and now I'm headed to the bar"

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[R]:

FFS... why does my optimize cron never work

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LabMonkey:

[R]: Gremlins.

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sphery:

[R]: sounds about right for about 180hrs of recordings

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sphery:

[R]: I've got 10.2M

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[R]:

344 programs, using 1.1 TB (8 days 12 hrs 17 mins) out of 2.4 TB (704 GB free).

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[R]:

204hrs

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LabMonkey:

I think the miniature humans have stopped beating on my door for the night.

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sphery:

[R]: yeah, so that's about right--not all video has a key frame every half second

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LabMonkey:

I still don't get why I don't have the video scan option in the menu though :(

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sphery:

LabMonkey: which version?

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LabMonkey:

sphery: checking

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k-man:

wagnerrp: you might be able to use the 470 in place of the 330

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LabMonkey:

0.22_p24255

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k-man:

wagnerrp: its probably just a filtering cap

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k-man:

LabMonkey: wow, thats old

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[R]:

k-man: that's what she said

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LabMonkey:

-_-

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[R]:

LabMonkey: you know 24 is gonna be out in a few weeks

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** LabMonkey makes a note to bug cardoe. **

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sphery:

LabMonkey: yeah, I have no idea if it worked (or even if it was supposed to be presented as an option) in 0.22

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sphery:

0.23 works, though

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sphery:

LabMonkey: also, there's a terrible hack that allows you to modify the contents of the osd menu before 0.24

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sphery:

maybe you told it not to show you video scan

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sphery:

TV Settings|OSD Menu Editor

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wagnerrp:

k-man: yeah, but i still need two 820s (or apparently 1ks work)

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k-man:

wagnerrp: you might have to go to your friendly electronics shop – you could also put 2 470s in parallel

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LabMonkey:

sphery: nope, video scan is checked

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LabMonkey:

k, gonna try 0.23.1_p26437

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k-man:

in mythnetvideo, when wathching a video, is there some way to pause the video from the remote?

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k-man:

LabMonkey: why not go straight to .24-fixes thats not released yet?

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sphery:

I'd think you'd want four 410s to get two 820s

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wagnerrp:

sphery: anything up to a 1K is known to work in place of it

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k-man:

i'm no electronics expert – but i did study electronics many years ago, and for filtering which caps of that size would be used for, the values are probably not that critical. a bit over will be fine imho (course i could be wrong, no blame accepted ;)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it was a stupid math joke

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LabMonkey:

that's about like what I told the cute girl at the office when I went to pay my rent yesterday

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LabMonkey:

she said, "so are you doing anything fun for halloween?"

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LabMonkey:

and I said, "Well I was going to get a santa suit but I figured nobody would get the joke"

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LabMonkey:

and she didn't get it

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LabMonkey:

but that was ok because she's hot

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bobgill:

Little Mythweb issue: http://pastebin.ca/1978408

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sphery:

bobgill: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/03/15/php- . . . ffect-error/

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** wagnerrp needs more monitor space **

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pembo13:

is it possible to use myth-video without a workign backend?

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pembo13:

i had my setup configured to a backend on another machie, but now i just want to use myth-video

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pembo13:

but a dialog pops up every 10seconds saying it can't connect to the backend

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wagnerrp:

no the frontend will not function without a backend

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: ok, thank you

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bobgill:

sphery: thanks! "php_admin_value open_basedir ..." worked

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bobgill:

And now I can't get authentication to work right lol

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Lexridge:

Hi everybody. I have a really strange thing going on with my mythtv Caller-ID. Somehow, it is picking up my CELL PHONE and showing me that on screen. How could this be possible?

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[R]:

myth isn't magic

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[R]:

theres a script that feeds the stuff to myth

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Lexridge:

My cell phone runs Android, and is connected to my network via wifi.

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[R]:

so you have to look at that script

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Lexridge:

I have made no script.

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Lexridge:

expect for the one that monitors the HARD WIRED PHONE line

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[R]:

maybe you installed somethign on your phone that sends the udp packet to myth

[04:10:02]

clever:

android might be sending a compatible UDP packet with the same XML data

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clever:

could be standard, dont know

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Lexridge:

It's very strange. I know that for sure!~

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Lexridge:

lol

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[R]:

no its not

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[R]:

cuz nothing is magic

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[R]:

had a guy a few months ago with a simliar "problem"

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[R]:

turned out he forgot he did something

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clever:

it ceases to be magic once you understand how it works

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Lexridge:

I have mythmote and MythDroid installed, but neither are running

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clever:

Lexridge: dont know how those work, but i assume they can automaticaly trigger things when a call comes in

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clever:

even if they appear to be off

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Lexridge:

Well, I am not one to believe in magic, I know this is explainable. I first thought the same, that mythmote or mythdroid was the culprit, but since they are not even running, I dont see how

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clever:

uninstall and then test again

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Lexridge:

yea, I will try that.

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Lexridge:

nope, was not it. I unstalled both, then called my cellphone, and sure enough, there was the caller id onscreen

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clever:

disconnect the wifi then and see

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Lexridge:

I'll reboot the phone and try again

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Lexridge:

trying with wifi off

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Lexridge:

Yup!!! Definetly coming from the phone. It doesnt do it with wifi off

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clever:

so myth isnt magicaly snooping the cell network

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Lexridge:

lol. Nope!

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clever:

only idea now is to use tcpdump to catch its UDP packet

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clever:

there might be a software name/version in the XML

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Lexridge:

I'm guessing mythmote or something was not showing up in the task manager, but was actually running

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clever:

or its standard software the phone always had

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Lexridge:

perhaps so, but it must be built into myth somewhere to look for it.

[04:19:04]

Lexridge:

AFter a fresh reboot, with wifi on, it shows me caller id. I did not run any of the myth-remote software at all this time.

[04:19:13]

Lexridge:

so it must be built into the phone

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clever:

some of the stuff in my treo 650 (palm) 'magicaly' runs on bootup and restores files

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clever:

needed to delete the entire app to keep the files 'hacked' up

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

it's doing the same thing in 0.23.1

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clever:

myth version probly has no effect

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LabMonkey:

no video scan option in the menu

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Lexridge:

damn, that's not good

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clever:

ah, different person

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Lexridge:

I have this phone rooted, so I will look for left over files

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clever:

dont know enough about android to fix it

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clever:

that helps alot

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Lexridge:

I'll figure it out.

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[R]:

LabMonkey: where are you and what are you doing

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Lexridge:

Thanks for the tips.

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clever:

Lexridge: try opening tcpdump on the phone and set it to filter port 22 (ssh) out so you just see everything else

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[R]:

LabMonkey: and what are you seeing

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Lexridge:

okay, I'll do that

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LabMonkey:

[R]: Media Library -> Watch Videos -> Video Options

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Lexridge:

you said someone else had the same problem a little while back?

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LabMonkey:

[R]: I'm trying to rescan my video directory because there are no videos listed in mythtv

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LabMonkey:

[R]: And the only option in the "Video Options" window is "Play Folder"

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[R]:

LabMonkey: you're not hitting mt oget to video options

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[R]:

i'll tell you taht much

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Lexridge:

Lab: Just enter your media directory, like your going to play a video to watch, hit your M key and select rescan

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[R]:

hitting m*

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[R]:

i gets you to video options

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Lexridge:

Lab: yer not in the correct place then

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LabMonkey:

[R]: the "menu" button on my remote is bound to M

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[R]:

than you horribly screwed up the bindings

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[R]:

default bindings i takes you to video options

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Lexridge:

later folks. Bedtime Thanks!

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LabMonkey:

[R]: that button on my remote brings up "Video Options"

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LabMonkey:

but the only option on that screen is "Play Folder"

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[R]:

LabMonkey: then either it is telling myth i, or you screwed up the bindings

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[R]:

chiquita hired a lawyer to help <insert random employee> to get citizenship

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[R]:

what babout the thousdans of OTHER immigrants who want to be citizens

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[R]:

i really hate this stupid show

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wagnerrp:

why are you watching it

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LabMonkey:

was wondering that myself

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LabMonkey:

mkay

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[R]:

wagnerrp: cuz its on tv!

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LabMonkey:

yeah so I checked

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LabMonkey:

my lircrc has Menu bound to M

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LabMonkey:

not I

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[R]:

you know... just like that seinfeld episode

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[R]:

where the head of nbc asked why peopel would watch it and george said "because its on tv"... and the nbc guy said "not yet"

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LabMonkey:

I have the theme from Super Mario Bros. 2 stuck in my head.

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[R]:

that crappy one where you could pick one of 4 characters

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[R]:

the graphics sucked

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[R]:

and you could be the princess?

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

yes, that one

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LabMonkey:

the one where you pulled radishes out of the ground and threw them at goombas

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LabMonkey:

etc

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LabMonkey:

"the graphics sucked"

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LabMonkey:

Do you have anything positive to say?

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[R]:

haha

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LabMonkey:

I mean... it was 8bit

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LabMonkey:

Do you also complain that Pong needed more polygons?

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[R]:

no, because i don't play pong

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LabMonkey:

uhh

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LabMonkey:

where was the option to change the video screen?

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LabMonkey:

like folder/gallery/etc

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LabMonkey:

anyone?

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LabMonkey:

I can't find this option

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k-man:

im testing compiling on amg64 bit and I get an error: http://pastebin.ca/1978462

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k-man:

err.. amd64 even

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wagnerrp:

i would distclean and try again

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k-man:

wagnerrp: that is your solution for everything ;) ill try that

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wagnerrp:

well then just clean in that particular folder

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wagnerrp:

it seems like youve got some cruft in there from the wrong architecture

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k-man:

already did a distclean

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k-man:

wagnerrp: quite possible as i copied the source tree across from a different machine, i did a make clean but perhaps that was not clean enough

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wagnerrp:

when you get strange errors, the best course of action is generally to distclean and try again

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wagnerrp:

if you get the same error after a distclean, you know you have a real problem

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wagnerrp:

if the distclean fixes it, well then the problem was your fault

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k-man:

wagnerrp: noted, thanks

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wagnerrp:

theres been many an occasion where i screwed something up, and a distclean fixed it right up

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k-man:

i'm also building a list of packages you need to install in debian so you can build mythtv from source

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k-man:

which i hope to post somewhere usefule

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wagnerrp:

you can just create a 'meta' package

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wagnerrp:

one that doesnt really do anything itself, but has a bunch of dependencies

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wagnerrp:

to set up to the system for compiling mythtv

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Beirdo:

ahhh, it was easier than expected to do IPv6 support in my MUD :)

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wagnerrp:

it didnt short out?

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Beirdo:

?

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Beirdo:

heh, now why would it do that?

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LabMonkey:

lol a MUD?

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wagnerrp:

electronics tend to do that when they get wet, like when dumped in the MUD

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Beirdo:

2010-Oct-31 23:25:25.756169 Resolving 2001:1938:270::4

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Beirdo:

2010-Oct-31 23:25:25.924565 Resolved to mythbe.ipv6.beirdo.ca

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Beirdo:

wooot!

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Beirdo:

connext worked, reverse DNS worked

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Beirdo:

connect rather

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LabMonkey:

pfSense needs to hurry up with the ipv6 interfaces

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wagnerrp:

pf already uses ipv6 just fine

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LabMonkey:

and pfSense has ipv6 support intrinsically already, yes.

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wagnerrp:

not my fault you cant write your own config file... :P

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Beirdo:

heh

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LabMonkey:

but pfSense lacks webgui interfaces for ipv6 configurations

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LabMonkey:

I can write my own config files just fine.

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LabMonkey:

I can also change any other option in the webgui and overwrite my hand-written config files.

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Beirdo:

so no webgui... write your own config files

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LabMonkey:

Beirdo: Tell you what... why don't I just quit my day job so I can spend all of my time hand-tooling everything that doesn't provide me with income.

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Beirdo:

whatever

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Beirdo:

having done my own pf config files before... they aint' that hard

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wagnerrp:

when did you do BSD?

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Beirdo:

I used OpenBSD for my firewall for many many years

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Beirdo:

like 2001–2009

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Beirdo:

first on a crappy Celeron, then on a Sun Ultra 5

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LabMonkey:

I spend 95% of my waking life writing software. If I can use a dumbed-down interface to decrease my workload for the other 5% then I'll take it.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i think i started using it in... 2004?

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Beirdo:

I'm happy enough with my cute little Atom firewall right now :)

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Beirdo:

dual Core + HT Atom

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i think mine may have actually cost more

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Beirdo:

heh

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LabMonkey:

yeah those dual-core atom boxes are pretty neat

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wagnerrp:

ive bought one of the ALIX units maybe... three years ago

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wagnerrp:

board, case, CF card, came to around $200

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LabMonkey:

I've moved to virtualization

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wagnerrp:

eew

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LabMonkey:

"If I were warmer I would have an appropriately venomous reply."

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wagnerrp:

i just have a distaste for virtualization, being hugely overkill for the task and in most cases unnecessary

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you're like a broken record on that topic :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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LabMonkey:

ok so you have a box that runs 90% idle 90% of the time and you need another box that will also run 90% idle 90% of the time and that's better than virtualizing one piece of hardware to increase your utilization of your investment?

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Beirdo:

Oh not again

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LabMonkey:

actually

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LabMonkey:

nevermind

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Beirdo:

he uses jails.

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Beirdo:

there. :)

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wagnerrp:

LabMonkey: the better option would be to simply just run both applications on the same machine

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wagnerrp:

and not set up fully virtualized hardware to separate them

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oobe:

how does one use virtualisation for mythtv

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Beirdo:

one doesn't

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wagnerrp:

they dont, it doesnt work well

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wagnerrp:

lack of direct hardware access is problematic

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oobe:

yea

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oobe:

i can imagine

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LabMonkey:

it might in workstation, but I haven't tried it

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oobe:

but what is he trying to achieve the ability to run linux/mythtv inside a less stable operatiing system

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LabMonkey:

but workstation would kind of defeat the purpose

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LabMonkey:

oobe: I'm not.

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

i still dont understand then

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noaXess_kubuntu:

god morning

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wagnerrp:

god morning?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

have installed the latest tv_grab_ch_search cause they (tv.search.ch) has build anew website... installing new grabber was ok.. then reconfiguring the xmltv config files, choose channels i want ok.. now mythfilldatabase says that it found nes programs but program listing is empty..

[07:05:03]

noaXess_kubuntu:

new programs ^

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noaXess_kubuntu:

doi need escan for channels on the dvb-c crd?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sorry.. bad english ;)

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wagnerrp:

for digital channels, you must scan for channels and then map them to xmltv ids in the channel editor

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: yeah morning here.. it's 8 am

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wagnerrp:

i am not aware of any xmltv grabbers which provide sufficient information to tune a digital channel

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wagnerrp:

god (deity) morning... vs. good morning

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wagnerrp:

making a bad joke on the misspelling

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ah sorry.

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noaXess_kubuntu:

so.. do i realy rescan for channels or just remap the existing channels with the xmltid?

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Beirdo:

guten morgen

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wagnerrp:

did you already scan once?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: yes.. long time ago.. works perfect..

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** Beirdo is trying to remember how he did his protobuf definitions again **

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wagnerrp:

if so, then likely you just need to map your existing channels to the xmltv ids

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: looking to replace mythproto again?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

i just needed to update the xmltv grabber to the trunk version cause then it can grab from the new tv.search.ch site

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: eventually

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: where do i get a list of new xmltvid's?

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Beirdo:

right now, just workin on the MUD code some

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wagnerrp:

im surprised the ids would change from one version to the next

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wagnerrp:

noaXess_kubuntu: honestly, i couldnt tell you

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wagnerrp:

ive only ever used schedules direct (or zap2it before that)

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ask in #xmltv

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wagnerrp:

which has the xmltvids available on the website

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** wagnerrp heads off to bed **

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: the xmltvid's has really chaned.. eg for 3+ channel old: 3plus.tv new: 3plus.search.ch... grrrr

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wow my english in the morning... ok sitting in the couch...

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eternis:

hi

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eternis:

I have a pressing question

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eternis:

I configured the backend and all, what's next? mythfrontend or mythwelcome?

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eternis:

shockingly the guide doesn't mention anything

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eternis:

oh wait, it does

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Beirdo:

I have never once run mythwelcome

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Beirdo:

anywho... off to bed

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eternis:

I don't like this

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eternis:

is not tunning

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eternis:

--> TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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eternis:

dunno how to debug this

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eternis:

ls

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eternis:

err sorry

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eternis:

could it be because I upgraded the schema?

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justinh:

*you* upgraded the schema?

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justinh:

only mythtv programs should ever do that

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justinh:

FYI you should look in the backend log to determine why livetv isn't working

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k-man:

does jamu work with .24?

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justinh:

I was under the impression JAMU would no longer be needed with 0.24

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ahughes:

anyone used the thermaltake dh 102 case with myth before? http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1319&ID=1425

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wagnerrp:

not sure why you would bother

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ahughes:

wagnerrp, because it looks sweet

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wagnerrp:

but what are you going to use a built in LCD for?

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clever:

ahughes: dang, full color built-in LCD!

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ahughes:

wagnerrp, music

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ahughes:

rather than turn on the tv.

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clever:

that res could be ok for mythmusic

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clever:

just need some kind of script to fire it on a different screen

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clever:

ahughes: http://inventgeek.com/Projects/LCDWindow/Overview.aspx is a similar idea

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lyricnz:

Hmmm. I can get a channel working in kaffeine fine (incl autoscan), but mythtv seems to be having issues with one channel.

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lyricnz:

Some problem with tuners/frequencies? DVB in Australia, FWIW.

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lyricnz:

Any tips/

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ahughes:

clever, that's a good idea... but its not for me

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clever:

ahughes: yeah, its a bit overkill in this case

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clever:

would almost replace the tv

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ahughes:

man, you need a bigger tv clever

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justinh:

lyricnz: might be a lesser known problem with scanning in that mythtv always believes the broadcast tables. IIRC mzb has seen an issue where a local relay wouldn't scan because of that

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clever:

ahughes: ive got a laptop tucked under the corner of out HDTV, but for other rooms that cant handle a such a large screen, that looks perfect

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lyricnz:

can I make it not believe these tables? I found instruction suggesting to add a transport directly, which I did, but didn't immediately help

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ahughes:

as much as I love htpc and tv e.t.c.... the most of the time I want this pc for music.

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wagnerrp:

doesnt mythmusic have some custom interface for lcdproc?

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lyricnz:

If I channel scan, on just that transport, finds three channels....

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lyricnz:

and it gets channel names etc

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clever:

wagnerrp: the screen in the thermaltake case looks too huge for standard lcdproc stuff, feels like it has its own vga card

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lyricnz:

but can't watch in frontend.

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wagnerrp:

yes, i realize that

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wagnerrp:

im saying i dont see the sense of a 7" touchscreen over 40x2 display or something

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lyricnz:

DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(1072) desired(1074)

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lyricnz:

that error when changing to channel. clue? I'm after chan 1074

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lyricnz:

No ideas? :( Works fine in kaffeine

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justinh:

lyricnz: works fine in an app which doesn't likely believe everything in the info tables :P

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lyricnz:

ya, so if we assume there's bad info over the air, how to override/ignore it with our superior, yet non-functioning ;), app

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lyricnz:

?

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justinh:

mythtv works as best it can to the DVB specs, with various workarounds for countries/broadcasters which don't quite adhere to the spec

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justinh:

if it ain't working the best you can do is open a bug ticket – but you'll need to provide much more info than you've given

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lyricnz:

how does myth know which transport to use for a particular channel?

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justinh:

you *did* scan all the channels within mythtv-setup didn't you?

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lyricnz:

of course, sheesh.

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waza-ari:

Hey all, does anyone have an idea, why the fanart and cover paths in metadata database always get truncated to the filename (so the full path is removed)? I cannot reconstruct when exactly it happens, but i guess every restart...

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wagnerrp:

waza-ari: because fanart and coverart is all stored at the root of their respective storage groups

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wagnerrp:

there is no need for a full path

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waza-ari:

wagnerrp: without full path there is not one image displayed

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justinh:

lyricnz: nevermind sheesh

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wagnerrp:

waza-ari: the only reason you would be using a full path is if you were using direct file access, rather than storage groups

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wagnerrp:

if that were the case, mythvideo would have left in the full path in such files when it pulled them

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waza-ari:

wagnerrp: yeah, im not using storage griups. after downloading them there is the full path in database

[14:00:48]

waza-ari:

but after every restart they get truncated

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo should only touch those when downloading artwork

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wagnerrp:

even a rescan wont update the path

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waza-ari:

thats strange somehow – cause ALL the videos get "updated"

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** lyricnz deletes all channels and transports, and rescans **

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waza-ari:

for example: i executed this db command: UPDATE videometadata SET coverfile = CONCAT("/var/lib/mythtv/coverart/", coverfile);

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waza-ari:

then i start the frontend, scan for changes, get metadata for the new film i added and restart the pc

[14:06:25]

waza-ari:

after starting the frontend again the covers do not work anymore

[14:06:33]

waza-ari:

and in database the path again vanished...

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lyricnz:

If I delete all chan+transports, and rescan – and six new transports show up, and NONE of them are (quite) correct for the missing chans – is this consistent with myth believing some broadcast channel info?

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justinh:

lyricnz: IIRC it is, yes

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waza-ari:

sane happens with fanart btw

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justinh:

lyricnz: it's apparently because some relays just blindly rebroadcast transponders & that confuses myth because it uses frequency information in the tables rather than what it's actually tuned to. Or did, at any rate

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lyricnz:

justinh: thanks. on the console, it said: >>> auto:191500000:GO!:99:12829:4114:1074:1072=1072:dvb 0:cnt(pnum:1,channum:1)

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lyricnz:

that first number is the frequency, which is wrong.

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justinh:

if you can find out what frequencies the channels are *really* on and manually add those, *then* scan each transponder in turn that might do the job

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lyricnz:

should be 1916250000

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justinh:

25khz offset? ahh that doesn't sound like the problem mzb saw

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justinh:

oops 250khz

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justinh:

maybe delete all yer channels & transports.. then add each transport & scan them rather than doing a full scan

[14:13:42]

lyricnz:

any idea how myth finds a transponder in order to tune a particular channel?

[14:13:49]

lyricnz:

does it use channel.freqid?

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lyricnz:

there's no transport id in channel.

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lyricnz:

looks like mplexid+serviceid

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justinh:

mplexid

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justinh:

mplex == transport

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lyricnz:

yup, data is starting to make sense

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lyricnz:

the service id is the channel number thing within that, yah?

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justinh:

it varies

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justinh:

serviceid is just a unique number

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lyricnz:

so if I edit dtv_multiplex and change the frequency to the right value, that could work? :)

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justinh:

lyricnz: possibly, assuming everything else is ok

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lyricnz:

WORKED!

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lyricnz:

Wahoo wahoo!

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lyricnz:

Amazing. That's been broken for... at least six months

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lyricnz:

(there's nothing much on this channel, so wasn't too bothered)

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justinh:

I once saw a similar – if not the same – kind of problem when scanning. myth was telling the driver what freq to use & it was tuning to it but reporting back that the frequency was different

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lyricnz:

thanks justinh !

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lyricnz:

Now have to go put all my xmltv id's back

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justinh:

so it would be tuning to 51566670 but actually storing 51400000 in the db

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justinh:

lyricnz: probably worth reporting this

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justinh:

I mean opening a ticket

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lyricnz:

I guess it tuned right, or it wouldn't have got the channel names etc, right?

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justinh:

well yeah but tuning right & storing the right frequencies are maybe two different things

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user81:

hi there, looking for a tip on how to restart mythtv-backend via lirc; now that /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart doesn't work anymore due to upstart. I'm at a bit of a loss

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justinh:

service mythtv-backend restart

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justinh:

personally I'd be looking to find out why mythbackend needs to be restarted & fixing that instead

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user81:

that only works if i allow the mythtv user passwordless access to /sbin/service in /etc/sudoers. As a security rule i'd rather only allow access to the mythtv-backend command

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user81:

it needs to be restarted periodically due to sasc-ng

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justinh:

sigh

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user81:

backend and frontend are on the same machine btw

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wagnerrp:

no it doesnt, mythtv doesnt use sasc-ng

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justinh:

you can't say that name in here

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user81:

sorry.

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user81:

need to restart mythbackend periodically nonetheless

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justinh:

funny that theives of TV services are concerned about security. The irony :D

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user81:

it's a paid subscription.

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justinh:

anyway you can't talk about it in here

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justinh:

channel rules, etc

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i figure youre a good person to ask about this

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wagnerrp:

ive got three blown caps on a monitor power supply

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user81:

wasn't planning to, it's just that you asked why backend needed to be restarted

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wagnerrp:

and another two from the same company that appear good

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wagnerrp:

just replace them all? or leave those two

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user81:

any tip / script to simplify lirc <-> service mythtv-backend restart?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I generally replace them all if I've got the caps around. If not & I can't wait I just do whatever needs doing & no more.

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justinh:

wagnerrp: IMHO you either do em now or later ;-)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive go enough for all five

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user81:

any tips?

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lyricnz:

justinh: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9167

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lyricnz:

anything I should add?

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deegan:

user81, I'd make sure the mythtv user could restart the service. after all you are running the service as the user mythtv right? And looking at it from a security standpoint, if you wish, it would be wierd having external access to a htpc woudlnt you agree?

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wagnerrp:

power light comes on, screen starts searching for signal.... looks like its fixed

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skd5aner:

!seen sphery

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MythLogBot:

sphery is here and has been idle for 11 hours 33 minutes 29 seconds

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lyricnz:

justinh: was that ticket ok?

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justinh:

I dunno, I'm not the arbiter of tickets :)

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gergap:

hi

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gergap:

I've the problem with mythtv 0.23.1 that playing AudioCDs doesn't really work. It has a lot of hickups. It's not a drive DMA or other performance issue. Playing DVD movies works. PLaying music or even HD videos from hard disk works. Only playing Audio CDs make troubles. Is there any trick to get that working?

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wagnerrp:

were you in here a day or two ago with the same issue?

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gergap:

wagnerrp: no

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gergap:

But I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one having this issue. I found a lot of problems reports, also bug entries, but no solution yet.

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** J-e-f-f-A can't help as he doesn't play Audio CDs anymore -all of his CDs are ripped to MP3s on my myth box. ;-) **

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justinh:

all mine are ripped to FLAC because I'm a snobby asshole

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justinh:

I did rip/play a CD in mythmusic once. And once was enough

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Ha... ;-) I used MP3 so I can put them on my iPod too. ;-)

[15:37:16]

justinh:

I use mp3fs too

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justinh:

I might actually just pop a flac or 2 on a USB stick & see if my car stereo'll play it

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justinh:

it doesn't say it does but that needn't mean it can't

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Right... if it's pretty new, it might. ;-)

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justinh:

it supports OGG, IIRC

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justinh:

but who the heck uses that? :-)

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gergap:

justinh: I don't know any commercial product playing FLAC, but maybe you can use www.rockbox.org

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justinh:

rockbox is teh suck for incar audio

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gergap:

justinh: I use OGG

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justinh:

open formats are a really good idea but sadly too few mainstream companies use them

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

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justinh:

anyway my Sansa Fuze can play FLAC just fine thanks

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gergap:

They are making money with putting pupple in chains. Some of this chains have apples as weights ;-)

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keith4:

i know this is a shot in the dark, but does anyone have a suggestions for how to detect when a firewire-connected box has stopped playing nicely with mythbackend?

[15:41:26]

eternis:

ownd!

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decke:

justinh: if you talk about incar audio – VW Golf VI plays OGG and FLAC nicely with MEDIA-IN connector

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gergap:

s/pupple/people/

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justinh:

to be honest I think most normal people don't care about what formats things use. they go "oooo the pretties!" & buy it anyway

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decke:

and i guess that's valid for all VW cars from the last few years

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justinh:

decke: I could do that, then I lose control of it from my steering wheel

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justinh:

if by 'media-in' connector you mean analogue line input

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gergap:

Yes, but it should just work. M4P files for example don't work. You are bound to this white devices

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justinh:

I was never bound to that white device

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decke:

justinh: why? that is a mass storage device... you can play tracks with your wheel and also from your radio

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justinh:

I tried one – my wife's.. I loved it. then I saw itunes. oh boy

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wagnerrp:

justinh: too bad mp3fs doesnt support non-cd formats

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decke:

justinh: media-in is an USB interface

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

wagnerrp: you mean SACD etc?

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justinh:

I didn't think they really existed

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decke:

let's call it an USB interface with an microprocessor that supports those codecs...

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, disk space is cheap, theres no reason not to use FLAC

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wagnerrp:

SACD... pretty sure i still have a sampler disk from my audigy 2

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justinh:

wagnerrp: my motivation centres entirely around being able to mess with the files & not lose anything re-encoding successively

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skd5aner:

justinh has super hearing

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eternis:

the thing is that there's no alternative to iPod's coolness. prolly fuze, but whon knows if tha plays FLAC

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justinh:

open an mp3, alter it, save it..open it.. alter it... do that a few times & it rots fast

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wagnerrp:

no, seems i tossed it

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justinh:

skd5aner: not at all.

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skd5aner:

how often do you typically edit an audio file though?

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justinh:

eternis: I already said the sansa fuze does play FLAC

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i was referring to some NIN album, they released for free as 24-bit 96kHz FLAC

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skd5aner:

I mean, I'm probably 1/5000 tracks do I need to muck with a song

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justinh:

skd5aner: you'd be surprised

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gergap:

A while ago a heard two girls talking with each other. They wanted to exchange their music. I didn't work because of this DRM shit. Then one said: "Of course this cannot work. You have a windows iPod and I have a Max iPod." Isn't it funny. They think this bullshit is normal. Thats really brainwash.

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justinh:

I'm amazed they didn't just get their boyfriends to get the stuff some other way

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gergap:

hehe

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skd5aner:

gergap: they have a "no bad language" rule in this channel, fyi

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justinh:

anyway I might one day need to edit the files & I'm not short of HDD space. so there

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skd5aner:

eh – I've considered it, but I mean... it's just more effort than it's worth... I usually encoder at ~224 VBR

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skd5aner:

or 192 VBR sometimes – usually plenty good enough

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gergap:

skd5aner: was this "bad language" ? hehe, I learned that from TV ;-) it's not my mother tounge.

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skd5aner:

(MP3)

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justinh:

what effort?

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justinh:

it's less effort than waiting longer for encoding to mp3 :P

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skd5aner:

well, the effort that 50% of what I play it on wouldn't support flac

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justinh:

on the machines I used to do the ripping anyways

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skd5aner:

heh, it takes 20 seconds for me to encode a song ;)

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skd5aner:

and that includes ripping it to wav first

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justinh:

I used EAC all the way

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skd5aner:

yea, I use EAC too

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skd5aner:

I like it

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justinh:

some of my discs were pretty hard to read the state they were in

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justinh:

drunken DJing took its toll ;)

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skd5aner:

a ton of my CD's I bought prior to 98 were not that great of shape

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gergap:

Apropos, I just installed a new mythbox with a brandnew DVB-S card. Everything works fine, but when zapping UP/DOWN the programs are not sorted by channel number. Can I change that so that I can zap up down by one channel number?

[15:50:09]

skd5aner:

after 98, I always used burned copied in the car/discman, etc

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justinh:

grown-ups don't zap ;-)

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: so use mp3fs, and have your mp3s transcoded to the bitrate of your choosing as you copy them to your device

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wagnerrp:

'zap'?

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wagnerrp:

oh, livetv

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justinh:

skd5aner: ahh disc rot. had a bit of that – threw those discs out

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wagnerrp:

justinh: apparently HDDVDs are really bad for disc rot

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justinh:

yay buy new!

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: not familiar with that, but contextually, that would probably work... but, I primarily manage my collection via windows and itunes, so – might not work in that scenario

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skd5aner:

not sure

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gergap:

It looks like its' sorted by name or somthing like that, but not by channel numbers. (I configured them using mythweb)

[15:51:55]

justinh:

how does one 'manage' anything with itunes? I have to admin my wife's ipod & I've not yet worked out what results in a successful sync

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justinh:

I certainly think I know why the biggest ones are so popular. jees

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skd5aner:

justinh: actually, I meant that my CD collection prior to 1998 was always the actual CD, so they're scratched to hell... anything after 1998 stayed in the jewel case because I made a copy of it so it's prestine (in most cases)

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justinh:

ah

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wagnerrp:

justinh: heh, i gave up and had my dad use winamp instead

[15:53:03]

justinh:

I had actual CDs from like 1992/1992 which were pretty near unreadable. not scratched

[15:53:04]

skd5aner:

justinh: I've had an ipod since 2003, before there was an itunes for windows ;)

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justinh:

I might RTFM of iTunes one day

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skd5aner:

justinh: so I've gotten used to it, and now how to make it work for me... I acually love it :)

[15:53:27]

justinh:

see if IT can tell me how to do it

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justinh:

I thought I'd cracked it. But I hadn't

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skd5aner:

justinh: step 1 before you even think about creating a library, turn off the feature that tells itunes to "manage your library" or to input tracks into yoru library

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wagnerrp:

justinh: these were HDDVDs purchased about a year ago, and used /once/

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skd5aner:

My file structure is exactly how I want it, and I don't use the built in "library" feature which destroys the file structure or moves them, etc

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justinh:

that's another thing. I don't want itunes messing with the network share

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justinh:

and I also don't want my wife having to copy tracks to her laptop

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eternis:

is anyone familiar with this error --> TV Error: HandleStateChange(): LiveTV not successfully started

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eternis:

I can't watch TV

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justinh:

eternis: look in your backend log. I told you earlier

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eternis:

sorry, was sleeping

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justinh:

that message on its own is not enough information to go on

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eternis:

ok

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skd5aner:

Yea, so... my tracks are all where I want them, and it's shared – so my wife's powerbook has 0 mp3's on it, she accesses it via samba (read-only none-the-less)

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skd5aner:

as does my frontend

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eternis:

but about the schema am I screw up?

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justinh:

eternis: huh?

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gergap:

any tips about channel sorting in live-tv?

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justinh:

eternis: only mythtv programs should ever mess with the database schema

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eternis:

oh I see --> TFW, Error: Opening file '/mnt/mythtv/1002_20101101121226.nuv'. eno: Permission denied (13)

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justinh:

eternis: and you have to run *exactly* the same version of mythtv programs

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skd5aner:

justinh: so, I could do away with itunes really easily, but the thing that makes itunes my prefered player/manager is the dynamic playlist capabilities and playcounts

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justinh:

e.g. mythbackend, mythfrontend.. they must all be the same ver

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eternis:

what perms need to be the partition to record?

[15:57:43]

justinh:

skd5aner: my wife has an ipod so she's kinda hamstrung by that. And no, the OSS thing isn't any good really

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skd5aner:

I've got plays in there since 2004, so it makes it real easy to build dynamic playlists based on playcounts, date added, last date played, etc

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justinh:

eternis: whatever user mythbackend runs as

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skd5aner:

justinh: same, got a few ipods

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justinh:

must be able to write to the storage group used for TV

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eternis:

is running as root

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justinh:

root doesn't have permission? LOL

[15:58:24]

eternis:

can I start mythbackend as non-root?

[15:58:46]

eternis:

that's the weird thing

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justinh:

who are these distros running mythbackend as root anyway?!

[15:58:47]

clever:

eternis: its normal run run all myth apps as non-root

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justinh:

argghhhlinux?

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clever:

ive also encountered problems with root_squash on nfs, where root lacks access

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clever:

cant trust the remote root too much by default, it might not be the client it claims to be

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eternis:

odd, when I run mythbackend as user everything works fine

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eternis:

except sound.

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eternis:

Anyone run myth with jackd?

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Guest26345:

morning canada!

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wagnerrp:

depends on where in canada

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eternis:

is schedule direct still the way to get channel's info and all that?

[16:44:50]

eternis:

I ask because I am in the process of signing up

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wagnerrp:

in north america, it is the only supported manner

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eternis:

alright

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decke:

wagnerrp: i'm currently trying to build mythtv 0.24rc1 on FreeBSD – works quite good so far

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bjd:

are you the port maint?

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decke:

yeah

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bjd:

happy to test if you need =)

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decke:

need to fix a few things first but sure as soon as i'm ready

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decke:

do you follow multimedia@ mailinglist?

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bjd:

Nope

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decke:

you should – i usually send test ports of mythtv there once they are ready and I need some feedback

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bjd:

Alright, I'll subscribe

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decke:

as usual ffmpeg does not build ...

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: beware of #9168

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Beirdo:

I'm fixing it in myth_system as it stands now, but in your rework, you may wanna follow suit :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, saw that

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wagnerrp:

UTF is the bane of my existence

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Beirdo:

I'm removing all use of QString altogether between fork and exec

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wagnerrp:

qstring is not utf safe?

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Beirdo:

the toUTF8 locks, apparently

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Beirdo:

and we aren't sure if the += will be locking either

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Beirdo:

so I'm avoiding it

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Beirdo:

I'll have it in in a moment

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: done. [27064]/[27065]

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skd5aner:

hmmm, you can control DirecTV STBs via ethernet now... "SHEF = Set-top Box HTTP Exported Functionality... basically the ability to control the receiver via HTTP commands sent over the network.

[17:23:32]

wagnerrp:

so its just an issue in the child... is that the same thing that causes problems with VERBOSE?

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skd5aner:

and someone's already started working on a basic script – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/457380

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

just more unexpected locks

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Beirdo:

so now I don't see anything in there that would have a buried lock in it

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: only the HD ones

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wagnerrp:

so basically, you just moved the command processing before the fork?

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Beirdo:

the Standard Def ones don't have an ethernet port, be awfully hard

[17:25:52]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

moved it into a char * buffer before forking, removed all QString inside the child just in case

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Beirdo:

what I don't get is why this NEVER hit pre-rewrite

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Beirdo:

that code was still there before my rewrite, or did people just not notice?

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Beirdo:

need coffee. BRB

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Beirdo:

so... cacti tells me... I watched 12h of TV yesterday

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Beirdo:

noon-midnight

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wagnerrp:

you have cacti tracking playback?

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Beirdo:

bandwidth on the ethernet of the backend :)

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Beirdo:

basically any significant bandwidth out of the backend is playback going to the frontend

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Beirdo:

and I can see the HDHR recordings pretty easily too

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt know if you were tracking the frontend socket for playback locations

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** Beirdo chucks a Fosters at CyberKnet **

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Beirdo:

nah. I'll probably add myth-specific graphs soon enough

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CyberKnet:

Hoping it will keep me in once place a bit longer? :P

[17:48:01]

Beirdo:

hehe

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CyberKnet:

Trying to figure out what to complain about Myth next... I'm kind of out of things right nwo.

[17:48:26]

CyberKnet:

now

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Beirdo:

good

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Beirdo:

drink up

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wagnerrp:

why a fosters? hes from oklahoma

[17:48:44]

Beirdo:

no.

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Beirdo:

he's from Australia

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CyberKnet:

I am residing in Oklahoma.

[17:48:53]

Beirdo:

living in OK

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Beirdo:

:)

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CyberKnet:

I have been living here for 10 years.

[17:49:04]

CyberKnet:

but I am originally from Sydney, Australia.

[17:49:17]

Beirdo:

he needs a reminder of the crap beer he left behind to drink American crap beer

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CyberKnet:

hah

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CyberKnet:

An australian would prefer a Black Swan, VB, XXXX or Tooheys.

[17:50:03]

CyberKnet:

although Tooheys is almost the Budweiser of Australian Beer.

[17:50:12]

CyberKnet:

Fosters *is* the Budweiser of Australian beer.

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wagnerrp:

XXXX? thats twice as good as dos equis

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's so crappy, you export it to the unwary

[17:51:13]

Beirdo:

mmm, coffeeeee

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CyberKnet:

And like Budweiser ... it sells. weird.

[17:51:33]

Beirdo:

just goes to show... people are stupid

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CyberKnet:

Fosters is actually pretty well liked in Australia too, much the way Budweiser is well liked in the USA.

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Beirdo:

again...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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CyberKnet:

which isn't to say it tastes good.

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CyberKnet:

:D

[17:52:24]

CyberKnet:

I'm still of the opinion that the only good beer is the one that isn't opened.

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CyberKnet:

*shrug*

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Beirdo:

?

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CyberKnet:

(ginger beer notwithstanding)

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CyberKnet:

<--- Not a beer drinker

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Beirdo:

you are a nut job :)

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Beirdo:

I guess that can be forgiven... somehow

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CyberKnet:

You use Bluray in Myth?

[17:57:14]

CyberKnet:

Wondering if I should expect better luck than I ever had with DVD and myth.

[17:57:22]

CyberKnet:

(never had a single DVD play with Myth)

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Beirdo:

never.

[17:58:36]

Beirdo:

Apparently it works well

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Beirdo:

but I don't have a BDROM drive even

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kormoc:

DVD's work well

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CyberKnet:

They do?

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kormoc:

aye

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CyberKnet:

Hmm... I wonder why I've never gotten one to play.

[18:00:08]

CyberKnet:

Lie actually, I got one to play several years back, but not error free. It slowly sped up until it was unwatchable and I quit.

[18:00:24]

CyberKnet:

Recent attempts have met with naught but failure to launch

[18:00:26]

Beirdo:

you using trunk?

[18:00:34]

CyberKnet:

No... never use trunk

[18:00:42]

Beirdo:

so 0.23.1?

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CyberKnet:

... let me figure out how to have my package manager tell me the version installed ...

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bjn:

probably easier to run mythfrontend --version for example ;)

[18:02:18]

CyberKnet:

0.23.0+fixes24158–0ubuntu2

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CyberKnet:

bjn: you make a good point

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Beirdo:

OK, a *lot* of work has gone into DVD playback (and BluRay) since then

[18:03:33]

CyberKnet:

There may or may not be a newer version I could upgrade to. I don't know. I think Mythbuntu is retarded about their myth package management.

[18:03:39]

CyberKnet:

but I use it anyway. *shrug*

[18:03:45]

CyberKnet:

retarded may be too strong of a word.

[18:03:51]

Beirdo:

I like using trunk

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Beirdo:

:)

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CyberKnet:

I like the WAF

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CyberKnet:

which goes down when using trunk

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Beirdo:

huhuh.

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Beirdo:

he said... oh, never mind

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CyberKnet:

I'm not savvy enough to run trunk Beirdo. We both know it. I'd whine when stuff broke, I'd complain when I couldn't revert.

[18:05:18]

CyberKnet:

:)

[18:05:26]

Beirdo:

hehe, fair enough

[18:05:58]

CyberKnet:

And granted – nobody here would owe me anything at all, but people would still be hearing about it until I earned by +b :P

[18:06:39]

CyberKnet:

I owe several people huge thanks for helping me get viddypow working. That is *really* nice now.

[18:06:47]

CyberKnet:

HD content decoding with 12% cpu usage.

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Beirdo:

isn't it sweet

[18:07:17]

CyberKnet:

Can't wait for com flagger to also be able to take advantage of it.

[18:07:38]

CyberKnet:

Did notice one drawback ... if I VNC to the box now while it is playing back I don't see the picture or the OSD.

[18:07:49]

Beirdo:

yeah well

[18:07:53]

Beirdo:

too bad :)

[18:07:56]

CyberKnet:

small drawback, not complaining about it.

[18:08:00]

CyberKnet:

just a noticing.

[18:08:26]

Beirdo:

you need to go buy a nice fast backend box, then you don't have to worry about commflag quite so much :)

[18:08:40]

CyberKnet:

Eventually.

[18:08:59]

CyberKnet:

I need a nice small frontend box first. Hopin these nettops get a little more powerful soon.

[18:09:18]

wagnerrp:

not a chance

[18:09:24]

** kormoc coughs up a mac mini **

[18:09:28]

wagnerrp:

intel likes to push their Atoms

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CyberKnet:

Like wagnerrp said ... they're fine if you know everything the box will ever do right now, but if you want some future legs then you need more.

[18:09:41]

Beirdo:

oh oh... kormoc has hairballs

[18:09:54]

wagnerrp:

expensive hairballs

[18:09:54]

CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: that they do.

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** jams gets out the kormocmalt **

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bjn:

kormoc: you have a mini? which version?

[18:10:42]

kormoc:

bjn, mid/late 2009

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Beirdo:

kormoc: if you feel like being BOFH, #9014 can likely get closed soon :)

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jams:

kormoc- nivida or intel graphics?

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bjn:

kormoc: ok... with what os?

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kormoc:

bjn, Gentoo

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kormoc:

jams, nvidia

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bjn:

hmm ok

[18:11:42]

jams:

thats good

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jams:

mine has intel

[18:12:08]

jams:

gosh..guess i bought that from a compusa store

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kormoc:

Yeah, I waited until they moved to nvidia

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jams:

thats good thinking

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Beirdo:

OK, who wants #9136?

[18:13:40]

bjn:

I have a 2010 mini, just installed ubuntu on it

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dustybin:

i thought mac minis nvidia gfx has only 256MB of ram?

[18:14:14]

bjn:

shared memory yes

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bjn:

I'm not sure if its possible to increase it with more ram

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kormoc:

mine uses upto 768 megabytes of ram

[18:15:40]

CyberKnet:

Hmm... not many itx motherboard options that have >6000 series nvidia GPU

[18:16:22]

bjn:

kormoc: how much ram do you have? and where can I see how much memory is available to the graphics card?

[18:16:30]

kormoc:

4 gigabytes

[18:16:50]

CyberKnet:

Are ATI Radeon HD42** on linux reasonable yet, or is it still sucking?

[18:17:27]

kormoc:

bjn, from /var/log/Xorg.0.log (II) Oct 29 18:37:18 NVIDIA: Using 768.00 MB of virtual memory for indirect memory access.

[18:17:58]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, they're fine as long as you have lots of cpu power

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CyberKnet:

on account of no VDPAU?

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bjn:

kormoc: uhm.. ok.. that's what mine says too.. hmm..

[18:19:46]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, no real acceleration at all, aye

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dustybin:

ive always fancied one of these for a HD frontend

[18:20:55]

dustybin:

http://pden.zotac.com/index.php?page=shop.pro . . . amp;Itemid=1

[18:22:02]

Beirdo:

just another ION box

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dustybin:

Beirdo: are they no good for HD?

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CyberKnet:

dusty: I fancied the HD-ID11 but the lack of CPU is a little underwhelming.

[18:23:08]

Beirdo:

dustybin: you've been here long enough to hear the spiel about using Atom processors :)

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CyberKnet:

dustybin: it's a matter of they have what they have... and it might be enough for today, but when BluRay+1 comes out, or HDTV2, or ... killer application Z ... will you have enough, or will you need to buy something new?

[18:23:21]

CyberKnet:

It's the Atom issue.

[18:23:28]

dustybin:

eeeek

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Beirdo:

the Atom (especially the single core one in that particular box) is quite anemic in power

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Beirdo:

so, once you go out of the realm of VDPAU support in the ION GPU, you are hosed as you have very little CPU there

[18:24:47]

Beirdo:

it may work well for now, but...

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jams:

it's like via cpu version 2

[18:25:14]

Beirdo:

it's not that bad

[18:25:27]

Beirdo:

it's a severely dumbed down P4

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Beirdo:

:)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, it's really not at all

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kormoc:

Beirdo, no netburst in it's hitsoyr

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

so more like a faster P6?

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kormoc:

Aye, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom#Bonne . . . architecture

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wagnerrp:

more like a slower P6

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wagnerrp:

at a faster clock rate

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dustybin:

VDPAU for HD, and the CPU is good enough for most other things like FLAC playback etc

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I stand corrected. Thanks :)(

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kormoc:

until you try to watch anything that vdpau doesn't support, like the billion other types out there

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: they may have made some microarchitecture improvements on the old P6

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wagnerrp:

but the lack of OOO execution kills all of it

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bjn:

106% cpu playing hd... excellent :)

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Beirdo:

meh, anyways, the fact remains... Atom are fairly underpowered compared to C2D and i3 at similar clock speeds

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CyberKnet:

on a motherboard with a 16x PCI-Express slot (such as is found on an SLI setup) ... you can use that for a non-graphics PCI-Express card, right?

[18:36:11]

wagnerrp:

s/fairly/woefully/

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Beirdo:

CyberKnet: yes, as long as they didn't do something retarded in the BIOS

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CyberKnet:

Who would ever do something retarded in the BIOS? :D

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wagnerrp:

ive seen benchmarks that put the performance of a 1.6 DC Atom at roughly that of one of the 1GHz CULV C2Ds

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Beirdo:

heh, every manufacturer :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that's not that bad though. :)

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Beirdo:

it all depends on the potential use

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Beirdo:

for video processing... pass

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Beirdo:

would be fine for... say.. a NAS box

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Beirdo:

or a firewall

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Valgrind shows MythTV has no/minimal memory leak, WHY IS MYTHTV NOT WORKING RIGHT WITH VALGRIND AND NO I WILL NOT RUN ANY MORE MEMORY TESTS

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wagnerrp:

clearly the memory leak must be in one of those sections of code disabled during valgrind

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iamlindoro:

clearly ;)

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wagnerrp:

makes me wonder what hes going with the jobqueue to cause it to eat up 2.5GB of memory over the course of a couple hours

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CyberKnet:

memory buffet $2.99 during job queue maintenance only!

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Beirdo:

heh, the guy on -users ML?

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Beirdo:

at least he finally found 1G "possibly lost" to be tracked down, but I doubt it will find much

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Beirdo:

I wanna know just WTF he's doing to the backend to get it to use that much memory

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Beirdo:

mine's peaked out at 628M virt, 74M res.

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Beirdo:

and I'm sure I use more tuners actively than most people other than maybe sphery :)

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CyberKnet:

pretty sure my poor back/frontend machine needs more memory.

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Beirdo:

3 million blocks of average size 352 bytes

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Beirdo:

just what is he doing?

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: Dont discount the buffet theory.

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CyberKnet:

there's a lot of waste at a buffet.

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

!seen k-man

[18:58:08]

MythLogBot:

k-man is here and has been idle for 8 hours 2 minutes 44 seconds

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wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: theres a lot of dirt cheap food at a buffet too, so theyre not wasting a lot of money

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Beirdo:

and #9036 is back for another round

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iamlindoro:

I think there may have been some confusion about that ticket

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iamlindoro:

It's not a dupe of #8469, it's saying the solution of #8469 is wrong in some cases

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Beirdo:

yeah, the query they guy shows... is funky now that we have framerate in there too

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Beirdo:

I'll fix it

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iamlindoro:

The last comment isn't from the reporter

[19:03:26]

iamlindoro:

it's just noise

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Beirdo:

sometime after lunch

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Beirdo:

it's another bug that should be opened separately

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iamlindoro:

But the original reporter is saying we're using the wrong function from math::Round AFAICT

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Beirdo:

but we aren't anymore

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iamlindoro:

ah, maybe so

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Beirdo:

anyways, if we are also pulling the wrong data, that's not gonna work anyways :)

[19:05:04]

Beirdo:

I wish trac would let us split a bug :)

[19:05:17]

Beirdo:

the new comment -> new bug, the old bug still a duplicate

[19:05:26]

Beirdo:

but meh, we deal with what we have for now :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm gonna get lunch

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bjn:

hm... how does jamu work? running it on the backend will it show covers etc on the frontends then? do I need to do some special setup? perhaps using storage groups...

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wagnerrp:

bjn: jamu will only work with content it finds on the local disk

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wagnerrp:

that mean either local content (old method) or storage group content with the 'host' field set to the current hostname

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wagnerrp:

so you should be running jamu on the backend storing the content

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bjn:

and then it will show up on the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

are you using local content or storage groups?

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bjn:

local content

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wagnerrp:

then you must have the videos and the folders that store artwork mounted on each individual frontend

[19:19:23]

wagnerrp:

at which point jamu can be run anywhere

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bjn:

ok.. does it need to be mounted the same as it is on the backend?

[19:21:01]

bjn:

well.. it is anyway

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wagnerrp:

yes, it does

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wagnerrp:

and for local content, the backend does nothing

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wagnerrp:

only the frontends matter

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wagnerrp:

for storage group content, the frontends access content through the backend, only the backends matter

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bjn:

btw, whats the recommended way to set it up now? I'm using local content because its been like that for years... should I switch to storage groups?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Heh, totally OT

[19:31:40]

iamlindoro:

http://www.yelp.com/events/redwood-city-us-po . . . -competition

[19:31:41]

iamlindoro:

Amazing logo

[19:35:13]

CyberKnet:

wow.

[19:35:32]

CyberKnet:

I could have lived my whole life, never have seen that logo, and still died content and happy.

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iamlindoro:

But now you get to die MORE content and happy

[19:37:22]

iamlindoro:

because if you don't like that log, you are a bad person

[19:37:25]

iamlindoro:

logo

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** JEDIDIAH__ would rather see the dancer that can pull off that move. **

[19:38:08]

iamlindoro:

That one's easy

[19:38:18]

iamlindoro:

Totally standard

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** JEDIDIAH__ would like to see iamlindoro try it. **

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iamlindoro:

I bet you would

[19:39:35]

JEDIDIAH__:

I would be better than a 3 stooges marathon.

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JEDIDIAH__:

It would be better than a 3 stooges marathon.

[19:46:13]

wagnerrp:

so... JEDIDIAH__ wants to see iamlindoro pole dance...

[19:46:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

the it-doesnt-crash-immediately-on-bad-signal OTA improvements for 0.23 are much appreciated.

[19:46:41]

** JEDIDIAH__ expects it to be the height of slapstick. **

[19:47:28]

** kormoc thinks JEDIDIAH__ will need a few operations in Thailand before iamlindoro would be willing to dance **

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** iamlindoro shudders **

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CyberKnet:

ugh.

[19:48:20]

CyberKnet:

again with the things I could live without thinking about..

[19:48:26]

JEDIDIAH__:

operations would be iamlindoro's since he's the one that says he can pole dance.

[19:48:56]

iamlindoro:

No, I'm the one who claims to know what's easy and standard for pole dancers

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: theres the problem, hes using a pair of striped SSDs for his recording storage

[19:49:19]

JEDIDIAH__:

...like double play's and bunts.

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iamlindoro:

And that that particular move is one employed by $allOfThem

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CyberKnet:

striped SSD. Seems a good way to chew up your SSD lifespan expectancy.

[19:51:24]

kormoc:

CyberKnet, nah, no real difference

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kormoc:

other then disability trim

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skd5aner:

MythStrippers – an "after hours" plugin

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wagnerrp:

he doesnt specifically say it, but he either has 64GB or 256GB hard drives

[19:51:49]

wagnerrp:

that size only comes in SSD form

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CyberKnet:

skd5aner: I think it's a pay-per-view webcam streaming service.

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** kormoc adds his affiliate link to the ppv webcam service **

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CyberKnet:

eGold?

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skd5aner:

I prefer *not* to see the typical mythtv user staring at their TV screen naked

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, which ever they were streaming!

[19:54:13]

CyberKnet:

*ahem*

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CyberKnet:

I'm pretty sure it was streaming from the interwebs pr0n sites to the mythtv, not from the mythtv to another mythtv.

[19:54:51]

CyberKnet:

what you are describing would be MythChatRoulette

[19:55:06]

kormoc:

Yeah, that's an idea I can get behind (and shoot)

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skd5aner:

haha, MythCatRoulette

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skd5aner:

oooh, typos make it even BETTA!

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iamlindoro:

mreeeeeOOOOOOW!

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CyberKnet:

Did you really mention shoot in conjunction with ChatRoulette kormoc?

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CyberKnet:

ew.

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kormoc:

with lead in the head

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CyberKnet:

Aaaah.

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CyberKnet:

This is not the thought that came to mind.

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CyberKnet:

:|

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Beirdo:

kormoc: what's that XFS command to get how badly fragmented the FS is?

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: sudo cat /dev/random >/dev/sda1

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Beirdo:

no, that's the wiping tool :)

[20:00:14]

CyberKnet:

Oh.

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kormoc:

Beirdo, xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/sdxy

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CyberKnet:

My bad.

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kormoc:

freesp for how fragmented the free space is

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Beirdo:

thanks.

[20:02:24]

Beirdo:

I'm betting that part of his issue is the 87% full XFS starting to slow crap down some

[20:02:31]

Beirdo:

and on SSD?!

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: im sure its just the lowly ignorant user who doesnt understand the difference between 256Gb, 256GB and 250GB

[20:04:42]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:04:48]

Beirdo:

that's also possible

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

the free space frag is the one to watch for

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kormoc:

when it gets full

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wagnerrp:

of course 512MB of memory is pretty weak on that system

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wagnerrp:

and only another 256MB of swap

[20:05:28]

** kormoc feels 2gb is tiny these days **

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Beirdo:

he had 4G RAM, he says

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wagnerrp:

that would explain why he's hitting the OOM

[20:05:47]

wagnerrp:

i see 4Gb

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decke:

\o/ mythtv 0.24rc1 successfully build on FreeBSD 8.1

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Beirdo:

hehe

[20:06:08]

Beirdo:

yeah, hehe

[20:06:22]

Beirdo:

4 gigabit :) I think he's just dumb, and meant 4 gigabyte

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wagnerrp:

decke: what was it you were talking about a couple months ago, something about a linux USB driver layer for FreeBSD?

[20:07:09]

decke:

wagnerrp: you mean webcamd?

[20:07:35]

decke:

it's a v4l implementation in userspace

[20:07:58]

wagnerrp:

oh, so its only v4l framegrabbers, not a generic USB tool

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decke:

no it's an daemon emulating v4l ioctls so that FreeBSD can use available v4l drivers

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decke:

works for all DVB and webcam devices connected via USB

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wagnerrp:

ah

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would be more worried about the user that doesn't understand 256MB vs. 256GB. Although I don't expect many of those to be trying MythTV.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: no, he doesnt understand 4GB from 4Gb

[20:14:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

[voice of zeus] Unleash the noob! [/voice of zeus]

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JEDIDIAH__:

...at least it's only TV.

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CyberKnet:

only ...

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CyberKnet:

ONLY?

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CyberKnet:

bah.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have encountered "IT professionals" with that level of cluelessness.

[20:17:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

I think it's time to watch Office Space again.

[20:18:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

...which reminds me. Jumping to last played video and last played video in a particular directory is a very handy thing.

[20:20:58]

JEDIDIAH__:

kind of like those silly new DirecTV ads.

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Beirdo:

there. that's fixed

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JEDIDIAH__:

fixed what?

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wagnerrp:

everything

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wagnerrp:

(and flash streaming)

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JEDIDIAH__:

so I won't have to mod 0.24?

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Beirdo:

the way that query was, it would be picking up a width of 29970 and a height of 1920 for 1080i

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JEDIDIAH__:

the stuff I said about mythvideo wasn't just theoretical assumption.

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Beirdo:

so just changed it to ask specifically for width and height, and in the order desired by the code.

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Beirdo:

the rest of it will be as broken/working as ever :)

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CyberKnet:

I notice occasionally that I have HD recordings that don't have the HD marker in the Browse Recordings screen. Is your fix related Beirdo?

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iamlindoro:

The HD marker comes from your listings data

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Beirdo:

not at all

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CyberKnet:

makes sense.

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iamlindoro:

The flag is toggled on when your guide data says it's HD

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Beirdo:

the change I made was only in the streaming script where it is calculating the aspect ratio

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CyberKnet:

It's not a bother, I was just curious.

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Beirdo:

you'd think the HD marker should come from the recording itself, but it doesn't yet

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CyberKnet:

Either a show is HD, or it isn't ... the marker being present or not really creates no issue.

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CyberKnet:

I think of my mythtv recordings like SchrÃ¶dinger's cat... until I watch them, they are both SD and HD!

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CyberKnet:

not a single lol? heavy.

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bjn:

;)

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kormoc:

it's too cold and wet to LOL

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mtrax:

hi, can I ask what the status of 0.24 is , ie are we still in a wait and see or are we just in a tidy up phase?

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kormoc:

if nothing pops up, RC2 will be cut tonight

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mtrax:

so we are moving forward to release , great

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iamlindoro:

What's this we, white man

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: I'd be happy to work on IPv6 support as part of the redo for 0.25 if it's needed

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mtrax:

heheh

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Beirdo:

it's actually a LOT easier than I thought

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bjd:

what made you think it was going to be a ballache?

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bjd:

out of interest

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: I don't think it's necessary for the setup rewrite, at least not insofar as I can tell

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Beirdo:

your .ogg showed an IPv6 address :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but yeah, not technically necessary

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iamlindoro:

Because my OGG used a Qt function that fills in all lPs to choose from (rather than allowing the user to put in bogus info)

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iamlindoro:

So it's a freebie

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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Beirdo:

supporting it elsewhere isn't hard either

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iamlindoro:

It's something that we can/should/will use in the rewrite

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iamlindoro:

If we rewrite the socket code to use the Qt socket stuff, that should all more or less "just work"

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iamlindoro:

er Qt4 socket stuff

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iamlindoro:

versus the current Qt3 stuff

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iamlindoro:

Believe that outside of backend setup and the socket stuff, there should be little if any code that expects IPv4

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Beirdo:

I've seen some IPv4-specific code, but very little

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Beirdo:

and don't forget the webserver part :)

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waza-ari:

Hey all, does anyone here has a TeVii S470 remote control running and can tell me how that works?

[21:01:26]

Beirdo:

yeah, it won't be hard to make it behave

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Beirdo:

and I have the perfect environment for testing it

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wagnerrp:

the bindings have tons of IPv4 specific code

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Beirdo:

that can be fixed too :)

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wagnerrp:

(or at least a bit to let it recognize something is an IP rather than a hostname)

[21:02:02]

Beirdo:

how hard is it in python?

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wagnerrp:

the 'fix' would probably amount to replacing the IPv4 regular expression

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Beirdo:

and maybe an AF_INET -> AF_INET6

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skd5aner:

Yea, my LAN is almost running out of IP address in my private Class C space, better move to IPv6 STAT! :P

[21:02:50]

wagnerrp:

yeah, probably need one of them too

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: it's a lot more than that, but go ahead and mock :)

[21:03:24]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: heh, just ribbing

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: do you have multiple computers on your network?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: nodes or "computers"?

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skd5aner:

the answer is "yes" to both

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kormoc:

I have 256 toasters!

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wagnerrp:

dp you have multiple IPs from your ISP?

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skd5aner:

Not anymore – single DHCP from the ISP

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iamlindoro:

This is sounding like an infomercial

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I was /just/ thinking the same thing – lol

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wagnerrp:

do you like gladiator movies?

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kormoc:

but wait! There's more!

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wagnerrp:

if you answered yes to any of the following, then you want IPv6

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skd5aner:

if you said "yes" to all three, then you'll love to hear about our new product...

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iamlindoro:

Do you have multiple computers on your network? Do You have multiple IPs from your ISP? Tired of the Saaaaaaame old boring 40 year old network standard? NEW IPV6 Ultra with lanolin CAN HELP!

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iamlindoro:

How much your you expect to pay for all of this?

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iamlindoro:

$199.99?

[21:08:59]

iamlindoro:

$299.99?

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iamlindoro:

$399.99?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: is it an amazing new product from europe?

[21:09:21]

iamlindoro:

If you act now, you can have all of this for only 11 easy payments of $13.99!

[21:09:29]

kormoc:

No way!

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wagnerrp:

i hear the FDA hasnt yet approved the use of IPv6 over here

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skd5aner:

Call in the next 10 minutes and you'll receive a second IPV6 stack FOR FREE! That's TWO for the price of ONE! But only if you *now*!

[21:09:50]

skd5aner:

er, act now

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

silly people :)

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skd5aner:

Billy Mays is rolling over in his grave

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wagnerrp:

*anyway*... what i was getting at is if you have multiple machines behind a single IP address, you want IPv6

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wagnerrp:

even if you dont know you want it

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Beirdo:

grave? You shoot him?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, he died months ago

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skd5aner:

Nah, he died last year man

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iamlindoro:

Sorry, this has to be done

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Beirdo:

really?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tieA5wfcgH4&am . . . yer_embedded

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kormoc:

Beirdo, Really!

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Beirdo:

dang. I didn't realize

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skd5aner:

hahaha, office boner

[21:11:19]

Beirdo:

so commercials should get quieter over time, I guess

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kormoc:

Beirdo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Mays#Death

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wagnerrp:

so what is this '0-modem' people are talking about on the mailing list?

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: yea, he was in a plane accident (gear didn't deploy) the day before he died

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skd5aner:

then he didn't wake up the next morning, but they say the plane accident wasn't the cause

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Beirdo:

well, sucky

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Beirdo:

anyways...

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k_ross:

lol, check out the "worst female inventions" in the related videos links

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skd5aner:

no, because then I have to login :P

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k_ross:

hmm didn't know you needed to login to see related videos :(

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Beirdo:

kormoc: holy crap, he was at 98.84% fragmented

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skd5aner:

k_ross: "This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community."

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k_ross:

ah

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skd5aner:

think of the children – make them login

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k_ross:

lol

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kormoc:

Beirdo, that'd do it

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Beirdo:

yeah, I bet his abnormal memory usage was just video trying to get to disk

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Beirdo:

he says that for 4h, it sat there and did nothing, and ate memory

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Beirdo:

uh huh

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wagnerrp:

i thought the fsync loop would cause the backend to block and drop data if that were the case

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Beirdo:

he said he wasn't even recording

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Beirdo:

so what the heck was it doing?

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Beirdo:

well, I'm off for an afternoon of meeting.

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CyberKnet:

join. quit. join. quit. quit. join. part. quit. join.

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KimK:

Are there any common new user errors that would leave low audio volume coming from MythTV only? I can use audacity to synthesize a 440Hz tone at a level of 100% and it's extremely loud, but when I play videos thru Myth(buntu) they are (I'd guess maybe 20%-30%) so I have to turn the TV volume all the way up to be "moderate". I'm running 0.23+????? (sorry, not on that PC right now) but I have all updates applied. Any advice appreciated.

[22:18:50]

KimK:

I guess it could be either an audio error (in the sound/audio system, i mean) or there could have been something wrong with the ripping I just did to the .vobs that might have made the audio level low. Is there a good place to download a test .vob with known good audio, to play divide and conquer?

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kormoc:

turn up the volume in the frontend settings?

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sphery:

KimK: your broadcaster is encoding them with the volume specified, plus if you're using recordings with AC-3, MythTV ignores the AC-3 volume normalization hint that tells how loud things should be

[22:23:25]

sphery:

KimK: if /you/ are encoding them--using an analog encoder card like the PVR-x50 or HD-PVR or an analog framegrabber--you just need to turn up the volume in the (4) recording profiles

[22:24:21]

sphery:

KimK: and you should check /both/ the Master and PCM volume settings in mythfrontend General settings (and, if your card is lacking either of Master/PCM volume controls, check your system sound volume)

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KimK:

sphery: Thanks for responding. I haven't really tried my receiver card yet, no CATV source here (it's an old, what, PVR-250/350? Analog, anyway). All my .vobs were ripped directly from the DVDs. Does that help?

[22:29:38]

sphery:

the TV from a PVR-x50 requires you to adjust the recording profile volume appropriately

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sphery:

the VOBs likely contain AC-3, so probably not much you can do about them--other than use the volume button

[22:30:08]

sphery:

and remember to turn it down at the end

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KimK:

sphery: OK. And that PVR-x50 setting might affect the DVD rips too, as part of some overall system volume?

[22:31:29]

sphery:

no, it's the recording volume

[22:31:54]

sphery:

probably not much you can do about DVDs except use the volume button on the remote

[22:32:16]

sphery:

the big difference, though is that television has a large dynamic range of volumes

[22:32:38]

sphery:

it needs to be able to convey everything from a whisper to the loud you're hearing with the 440Hz tone

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sphery:

and, depending on how the volume was coded in the original source material and the recording itself, it can be quite noticeably different

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CyberKnet:

Hey, is volume over HDMI something that a) Will never work, b) Does not currently work, or c) Should already work, but CyberKnet has something jacked up

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kormoc:

c)

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CyberKnet:

Aaah, ok. I set up my remote to punch through to TV because I couldn't get it working. The volume controls in myth made no difference.

[22:34:13]

CyberKnet:

Good to know that I'm an idiot. :)

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kormoc:

ooh wait

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kormoc:

volume over hdmi

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CyberKnet:

right

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kormoc:

I don't believe there is any control over that, aye

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CyberKnet:

OK.

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kormoc:

as it's the pure digital stream

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CyberKnet:

Back in the "not an idiot" basket.

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kormoc:

sweetness abounds

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CyberKnet:

So then it makes sense that mute also has no effect

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KimK:

sphery: OK, but I was using for testing some opening ("loud", IMO) movie themes, like "The Magnificent Seven", "The Cowboys", etc., they're coming out kind of wimpy. Is there some kind of "rescaling" utility i can go over the DVD .vobs with?

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eternis:

do I need xmltv package in order for mythtv to retrieve the info from schedule direct?

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wagnerrp:

no

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eternis:

ok

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eternis:

how do I check whether it properly downloads the info?

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wagnerrp:

check your listings in the frontend or mythweb

[23:16:04]

wagnerrp:

if theyre populated, it worked

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eternis:

and how do the icons get downloaded?

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wagnerrp:

manually, using the channel editor in mythtv-setup

[23:18:40]

eternis:

alright I see in the mythbackend terminal connecting to schedule direct

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KimK:

I thought I had everything (finally) fixed up so I could run a remote front end, but it (the remote front end) seems to start up and then run for just an instant, I can barely get a glimpse of the main menu screen with the selection of big photo icons, and then it's gone without a trace. Any suggestions?

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KimK:

Also, on my main unit (front/back combo), something has happened to cause my playback screen to be much smaller, maybe 200x320? I would appreciate any suggestions on that too. Thanks, sorry to be such a noob.

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wagnerrp:

check the terminal output of your frontend for an error message

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KimK:

Would that be in a logfile somewhere?

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** iamlindoro randomly guesses the remote frontend is Ubuntu or Mythbuntu 10.04 **

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KimK:

Or do you mean I should start the front end in a terminal to collect the results?

[23:38:40]

iamlindoro:

yes, that is what he means

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KimK:

iamlindoro: Yes, Mythbuntu 10.04. All updates applied, should I still be worried, lol?

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iamlindoro:

Ubuntu 10.04 went out with something they called MythTV .23, but was actually a very broken development build

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kormoc:

I am not laughing out loud, thanks for asking now

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iamlindoro:

Unless you have their auto-builds API enabled and have updated to that, you are not actually on .23

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iamlindoro:

including a major issue that caused startup segfaults

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iamlindoro:

like the one you're seeing

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

Note that they probably push .23.1 now, so you will need to update backend *and* frontend to the same version

[23:41:04]

iamlindoro:

and when prompted, do *NOT* choose what they call .24, which isn't (it's the same thing again-- a development version)

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iamlindoro:

If you need further help on fixing their package issues, you can probably ask in #mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

well by now its a pre-release version

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iamlindoro:

The above is just based on having seen this issue countless times over the last 5 months

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wagnerrp:

i dont think i would call it development anymore

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iamlindoro:

I would call anything up until we tag a release development

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iamlindoro:

but it's semantics, so not sure why it's worth nitpicking

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eternis:

mmm.. is there something wrong with schedule direct? --> Did not find any new program data.

[23:45:14]

eternis:

I keep getting that message

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iamlindoro:

no, there is nothing wrong with schedules direct

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iamlindoro:

did you create an account, and create a lineup on your account then attach that account to a video source in mythtv-setup?

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eternis:

I did

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iamlindoro:

and then fetch channels from listings source?

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iamlindoro:

You missed one of the above steps, guaranteed

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eternis:

not sure about the last bit

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eternis:

so I got this --> New DB DataDirect connection

[23:47:29]

eternis:

alright now I see some other things going on

[23:48:29]

eternis:

so delete the channels that I have and fetch the channels from listing source instead?

[23:49:19]

eternis:

or are these two separate things?

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Beirdo:

gah, I think I see that guy's memory issue

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Beirdo:

QDir iterating... fills memory

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KimK:

wagnerrp and iamlindoro: OK, thanks for your advice. I'm a complete noob on MythTV, so I'm kind of stumbling around on simple stuff because I've never really seen one run in person. I was delighted last night when I discovered F10/F11!

[23:54:52]

eternis:

seems to be doing its thing now

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KimK:

iamlindoro: OK, starting on the auto-build activation. So 23.1 is what I want rather than 23. ?

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eternis:

what do f10 and f11 do?

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KimK:

volume up and down (no remote here)

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iamlindoro:

KimK, Whichever you choose, *all* your systems will need to be the same version-- so if your backend is straight .23, you need to choose plain .23 on the FE

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iamlindoro:

KimK, otherwise you will need to upgrade *all* systems in your myth environment to .23.1

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iamlindoro:

either option is acceptable

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KimK:

iamlindoro: I don't mind doing multiple upgrades, that's fine. I would like to head toward stable/released versions rather than development/debug versions. What would you recommend that I do?

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iamlindoro:

KimK, are all myth systems in your environment Ubuntu?

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