Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, October 19th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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jstenback:

I'm about to reproduce here...

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Beirdo:

that's 50ms of logs, with verbosity set a bit high. :)

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jstenback:

jstenback: what options should I use?

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jstenback:

yeah :)

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Beirdo:

I would try with just standard logging to start

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jstenback:

k

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jstenback:

of course now it won't reproduce...

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jstenback:

hmm, now when I try to watch live tv, I get a message about all tuners being busy

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jstenback:

it shows me 3 recordings, all being live tv, on the same channel

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jstenback:

yet I have only 2 tuners

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wagnerrp:

digital?

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jstenback:

no

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jstenback:

one HD-PVR (on a slave backend) and one PVR-250 attached locally

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jstenback:

the PVR-250 is recording live tv right now

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jstenback:

restarting the slave where the HD-PVR is attached doesn't change anything

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jstenback:

jpabq: ?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: he just wont give up will he

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh, no

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, VAAPI interfaces directly with OpenGL rendering

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iamlindoro:

API includes a function to pull the video straight into a GL surface

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wagnerrp:

and crystalhd is not a renderer at all, it /needs/ opengl or xv to play video

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Beirdo:

always?

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Beirdo:

OK, maybe my brain munged it wrong

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wagnerrp:

its not a video card

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wagnerrp:

its a decoder card

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Beirdo:

no, I mean VAAPI

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iamlindoro:

yes, VAAPI isn't a renderer

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Beirdo:

decoding is part of rendering

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wagnerrp:

you mentioned CHD in there too

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iamlindoro:

no, rendering is rendering, decoding is not

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Beirdo:

gah

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Beirdo:

fine :)

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wagnerrp:

the idea is that VAAPI, VDPAU, CHD, and ffmpeg would all become decoders

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Beirdo:

so we always render onto OpenGL

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wagnerrp:

and opengl the single renderer

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Beirdo:

and the others decode above?

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iamlindoro:

right

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** Beirdo is having a serious case of the Mondays, it seems **

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iamlindoro:

so you would still see the 1–2 percent CPU use

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Beirdo:

perfect

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iamlindoro:

You'l just have a deformable, animatable surface to do fun UI things with at the endpoint

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sphery:

can't you reduce that cpu use?

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sphery:

maybe fewer threads?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

go to 16-core

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

So we could make a discrete "stop" and "back" action during playback

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iamlindoro:

stop stops like it is now

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iamlindoro:

back animates it into a little thumbnails and integrates it with the theme, etc.

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iamlindoro:

(So you could continue playback while checking mythweather, call it back up from anywhere, etc)

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** iamlindoro beers Beirdo for being willing to see from other perspectives **

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Beirdo:

mmm, beer :)

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Beirdo:

cool, I'm all for standardizing on the video rendering at the bottom using OpenGL

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Beirdo:

if your card can't handle that, get a real card :)

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marc-us-tx:

I'm for it if it means someone gets beer

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Beirdo:

that should work in Windows...

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iamlindoro:

I checked into which cards support what, and a GeForce 6150 supports OpenGL 2.0 and GLSL

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Beirdo:

OSX as well?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, OS X would be fine

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marc-us-tx:

crud Beirdo said windows and my beer mug shattered

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Beirdo:

then we definitely have a winner

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iamlindoro:

Obviously the GL renderer/painter would need a lot of love... but I've got just the guy in mind for it ;)

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Beirdo:

what we use to decode above that is irrelevant, as long as we can hand off in a way that makes OpenGL happy

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Beirdo:

another nice thing... PiP becomes simpler

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iamlindoro:

yeah, VDPAU also includes an API to go straight to a GL surface since the ~200 series drivers

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iamlindoro:

It's recentish, but by the time we'd need it it'd be a year and a half old

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iamlindoro:

(ie that API was introduced early this year)

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sphery:

remember, also, that different cards support different shader program sizes

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Beirdo:

of course

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sphery:

i.e. my 7200GS can't load our deint progs, but my 7800GTX can

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Beirdo:

and we'd need to be able to profile that (which OpenGL makes easy, IIRC from gputrans days)

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

I also suspect that the performance of GL currently would pale in comparison to how it would be with a little Markification

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sphery:

and then again, the software deint still works fine

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Beirdo:

and maybe even eventually selectively disable things for borderline implementations, whatever

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

if he could quit wasting time on Xv

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Beirdo:

we'll get there

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iamlindoro:

heh, which it seems we may finally be agreed that he can

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Beirdo:

eventually

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Beirdo:

especially if he's looking at the embedded spec for OpenGL as well (whatever the heck it was called)

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Beirdo:

OpenGL ES?

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iamlindoro:

yes, it would be a separate renderer, but probably subclassed from the existing one

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Beirdo:

but still OpenGL (heheh)

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Beirdo:

so all is good

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wasutton3-Kira:

what would be the best dual analog tuner for a myth-tv setup on ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

PVR-500

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Beirdo:

or HVR-2250

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Beirdo:

if you don't mind being on the bleeding edge driver-wise for a bit

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wasutton3-Kira:

i didnt know the hvr-2250 was supported for analog video and audio

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wagnerrp:

only experimentally

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wasutton3-Kira:

ah i see

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Beirdo:

it is, the drivers are being pulled into the linuxtv tree at this point (maybe have been?)

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wasutton3-Kira:

but for stable usage, a pvr-500 would be my best bet?

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Beirdo:

still not completely worked out, but it's there

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wasutton3-Kira:

ok

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Beirdo:

my hvr-2250 is pretty stable. pvr-500 would be classed as more stable, yes

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wasutton3-Kira:

now the only question would be where to find either of them cheaply....

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 is ~120 online, the 500 is ~40 on ebay

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Beirdo:

correction... the analog support IS in the linuxtv media_tree staging for 2.6.37

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wasutton3-Kira:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

as of 29h ago

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wasutton3-Kira:

wow thats quick

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wasutton3-Kira:

any news on a hvr-1800?

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wagnerrp:

1800 works fine in linux

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wagnerrp:

analog doesnt work in mythtv

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wasutton3-Kira:

not analog audio, at least not that i can find

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wasutton3-Kira:

ah that would be it

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iamlindoro:

It's cool though, it's only been two years since it was reported

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iamlindoro:

so I'm sure they're getting right on it

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

hey look, I see some hdpvr stuff from another myth dev in this tree too

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wasutton3-Kira:

yea, iv been waiting 2 years on it.... :/

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iamlindoro:

yep, he mentioned he was pushing some HD-PVR patches for 37

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iamlindoro:

(guess that's what delayed LATM)

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Beirdo:

they hit this staging tree 27h ago

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wasutton3-Kira:

where can i find this information?

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Beirdo:

which information?

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Beirdo:

http://git.linuxtv.org/media_tree.git?a=short . . . ging/v2.6.37

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wasutton3-Kira:

that information

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Beirdo:

that's what I'm lookin at

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wasutton3-Kira:

hmmm i will have to try to load these drivers/ firmwares and see. It would be nice to get this card working after a few years of dust collecting

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wagnerrp:

224–239 is multicast, what is 240–255 used for?

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Beirdo:

255 is broadcast

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wagnerrp:

-254

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Beirdo:

reserved I think, but I don't recall for what

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering as far as possibility for recall

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Beirdo:

class E...

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Beirdo:

reserved for future or experimental use, it seems

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wagnerrp:

i mean, between the two of them, thats /3

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Beirdo:

you won't get multicast reassigned

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wagnerrp:

a full eighth of the address space, unusable

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Beirdo:

way too many things use that

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Beirdo:

240–255, possibly, although I doubt they will assign 255

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Beirdo:

I think they should just assign everyone an IPv6 /64 at birth

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and every company gets one.

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Beirdo:

how you route it... not my problem. NEXT!

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Beirdo:

never need a SSN either

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Beirdo:

just use your unique subnet

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wagnerrp:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

goof on chuck tonight

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wagnerrp:

casey kicks open a door, walks in, his hat gets knocked off

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kormoc:

and then he was enlightened?

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iamlindoro:

This last week's Undercover Boss is scary-- guy talking about how he and his wife "trusted in God's providence with regards to our marital life" and so don't use contraception of any kind

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

Good thing he's a rich CEO...

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: why do you think those people breed like rabbits

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kormoc:

oh lordy

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kormoc:

that aint good

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iamlindoro:

I counted 8 kids around the table

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iamlindoro:

granted, I am one of ten, but still...

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iamlindoro:

Five of my siblings are adopted

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** jstenback reverts back to 0.23 :( **

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** kormoc eyes jstenback **

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kormoc:

if you have a problem, speak up man, speak up

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iamlindoro:

and provide logs and where appropriate, backtraces

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jstenback:

kormoc: livetv, with HD-PVR, on trunk. Not working so hot

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iamlindoro:

works here

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kormoc:

jstenback, we just cut a rc of 0.24 so it's important to not ignore issues

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jstenback:

iamlindoro: cable or satellite?

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kormoc:

that shouldn't matter

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iamlindoro:

jstenback, Why would that matter?

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kormoc:

toss us some logs of mythfrontend -v playback,audio

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kormoc:

jstenback, did you rescan your audio devices?

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jstenback:

kormoc: yes, audio worked fine whenever video played

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iamlindoro:

yes audio worked fine, or yes you rescanned devices in audio settings, and audio worked fine?

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jstenback:

kormoc: I'd love to, but I'm unable to at the moment. I'll need to pick some time when I can switch to trunk again and play with this when others don't depend on tv being viewable

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jstenback:

iamlindoro: yes to both

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jstenback:

so here's what I saw...

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kormoc:

jstenback, well, given 0.24 is planned to be released in two weeks...

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jstenback:

selecting watch tv from the menu generally worked, but after changing channels once or twice, the frontend seemed to lock up, or actually, get *really* slow, like refresh the screen once every 5+ seconds or so

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jstenback:

with the frontend cpu being pegged

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jstenback:

and the osd remained up on the screen, saying 0% signal strength

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wagnerrp:

an HDPVR does not have signal strength

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jstenback:

sure, but the osd shows one

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kormoc:

jstenback, does your channel changer run with a & at the end?

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iamlindoro:

(or include any commands that do)

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wagnerrp:

or fork off and setsid?

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jstenback:

yet, if I used another frontend to watch the same live tv recording (i.e. select watch tv and then select the same channel from the menu that says all recorders are busy), it appeared as if the HD-PVR was recording

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jstenback:

the initial frontend just got stuck, or almost so

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jstenback:

hitting exit on the remote etc did nothing

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jstenback:

no, I run sh /some/path

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jstenback:

and that script does a sleep 3 at the end

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jstenback:

now, it's very likely that my receiver changes from 1080i to 480p or whatever during channel changes, which can confuse the HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt any longer

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iamlindoro:

(and it hasn't for a very long time)

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jstenback:

that happens sometimes with 0.23 as well, but only occasionally

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: what shouldn't?

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wagnerrp:

resolution changes bork the HDPVR

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jstenback:

k

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jstenback:

I'm guessing on that one, at best

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jstenback:

ok, I'll switch to trunk for a while longer to see if I can get you guys logs

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jstenback:

one sec

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marc-us-tx:

wagnerrp: well, not completely. But very anoying things result. Like, halving or doubling of the record time...

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marc-us-tx:

wagnerrp: macroblocking at the beginning

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marc-us-tx:

but it still works with few other issues

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marc-us-tx:

jstenback: how many hdpvr's are you running

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jstenback:

marc-us-tx: one hd-pvr (on a remote backend) and one pvr-250

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marc-us-tx:

jstenback: It sounds similar to the problems I had with two units.

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jstenback:

yeah?

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marc-us-tx:

I borrowed a win laptop and updated the firmware on both boxes and the problems practically went away.

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jstenback:

I updated mine a few weeks ago too

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marc-us-tx:

I also run a cron job every 10 minutes to kill a stuck process trying to create a thumbnail.

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jstenback:

yeah, seen that as well :)

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marc-us-tx:

It would push my CPU to 100 on the backend

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jstenback:

so far I kill those manually, but a script might not be too far away here...

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marc-us-tx:

THe guys on the channel helped point me in that direction. It really helped the pegged cpu but the problems you describe only happened when I tried running both hdpvrs at the same time

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marc-us-tx:

the firmware upgrade seemes to have solved that

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marc-us-tx:

if you chat me I can list the script I use to kill that crazy process

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jstenback:

iamlindoro: ?

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Wicked:

is there a new db schema in 0.24-fixes?...im planning on upgrading my mythbox this week to 0.24-fixes...and im wondering if i should also plan on upgrading all my frontends at the same time

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wagnerrp:

there always is

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Wicked:

i figured. but thought id ask just to verify :)

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, i'm getting alerts in my email when there is a change to the mythtv protocol, but which file is the db schema set in?

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[R]:

Wicked: the versions always have to match

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Wicked:

[R], yea i know

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Beirdo:

la la la

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[R]:

Wicked: than why ask

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[R]:

if you know it has to match

[02:50:01]

wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /dbcheck.cpp

[02:50:23]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: i believe most of the plugins put it in their own dbcheck as well

[02:50:32]

wagnerrp:

mythweather might be the only one that doesnt

[02:50:38]

Beirdo:

yes it does

[02:50:46]

wagnerrp:

well theres one that doesnt

[02:50:50]

wagnerrp:

and i believe only the one

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Wicked:

[R], i dont know. maybe it was a minor change that didnt require all frontends to be updated. so i asked.

[02:51:01]

Beirdo:

hehe, I'm sure there is, but it ain't mythweather

[02:51:05]

Beirdo:

gallery, perhaps

[02:51:29]

Beirdo:

hmm, no I think it stores rotation data

[02:51:32]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, awesome, thanks

[02:51:47]

tgm4883:

i'm just setting up some alerts so downstream knows when it changes

[02:51:58]

tgm4883:

cause reading the commit list is kinda painful sometimes

[02:52:45]

Beirdo:

heh, you don't say :)

[02:53:05]

Beirdo:

I find the users list more painful more often though

[02:55:14]

[R]:

SWEET

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[R]:

he's back

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[R]:

tgm4883: thanks about that ubuntu patch... i saw the mythtv ticket for it

[02:56:51]

Beirdo:

OMG

[02:57:05]

Beirdo:

this dude needs a frigging babysitter

[02:57:23]

tgm4883:

[R], well superm1 created it. I just talked it over with him

[02:59:26]

jstenback:

ok, I have a reproducible problem with channel changes here using a HD-PVR, can someone help me get the right logs etc so I can submit a ticket?

[02:59:35]

jstenback:

trunk as of earlier today

[02:59:44]

jstenback:

live tv

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[R]:

jstenback: it used to work?

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Beirdo:

what is the problem?

[02:59:51]

[R]:

jstenback: or never worked?

[02:59:58]

jstenback:

worked in 0.23

[03:00:11]

jstenback:

Beirdo: I start live tv, all's good

[03:00:20]

Beirdo:

does your channel changing script run in the background?

[03:00:21]

[R]:

jstenback: they changed the channel change script stuff in 0.24

[03:00:45]

jstenback:

Beirdo: I change channels, and the frontend gets stuck. both the frontend and the slave backend processes are pegged at ~100% cpu

[03:01:01]

jstenback:

Beirdo: no, it does not

[03:01:13]

jstenback:

Beirdo: should it?

[03:01:22]

Beirdo:

is there anything useful in your backend log?

[03:01:28]

Beirdo:

and no it shouldn't

[03:01:56]

jstenback:

Beirdo: in the slave backend log or the master backend log?

[03:02:07]

jstenback:

I'm running the slave with -v record

[03:02:33]

Beirdo:

whichever, I would guess the slave, but check all of the above

[03:02:42]

jstenback:

oh, and there the frontend crashed

[03:03:19]

jstenback:

Beirdo: let me capture the slave backend log here and post it

[03:03:36]

jstenback:

Beirdo: -v record good, or anything else I should add?

[03:04:09]

jstenback:

hmm, now my master backend started spewing MythSocket(12fbf20:40): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (931 errors)

[03:04:15]

jstenback:

about one per second

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Beirdo:

gah

[03:04:50]

jstenback:

with the number of errors going up and down a bit...

[03:05:02]

Beirdo:

-v record should be fine, I think

[03:05:12]

Beirdo:

might be too much, but we'll see

[03:05:21]

jstenback:

ok, let me restart everything and grab a log

[03:05:28]

Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: you happen to be in?

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Beirdo:

I'm having some interesting commflag --rebuild issues

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Beirdo:

along with jstenback's fun here

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** Beirdo shakes his fist at the mythbox **

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Beirdo:

... punk.

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jstenback:

Beirdo: ok, finally have logs for you, sorry it took so lon

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jstenback:

g

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jstenback:

uploading now

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jstenback:

Beirdo: http://people.mozilla.org/~jst/slave.log

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jstenback:

http://people.mozilla.org/~jst/frontend.log

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jstenback:

http://people.mozilla.org/~jst/master.log

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Beirdo:

OK, when in there is it hanging?

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jstenback:

Beirdo: after the second channel change (2010-10–18 20:10:55.446)

[03:40:29]

jstenback:

that's from the frontend log

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Beirdo:

k, one sec

[03:40:48]

jstenback:

at that point I have the message on the screen saying that I should've received a signal by now...

[03:40:59]

jstenback:

and the osd is showing me what the channel and program is etc

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jstenback:

both of those dialogs are up at the same time

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Beirdo:

hmmm, wonder why that deadlocked

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jstenback:

Beirdo: so I don't think it actually deadlocks

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Criggie:

jstenback: CAPTAIN! WE GOT SIGNAL!

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Criggie:

:)

[03:44:42]

jstenback:

it just gets *really* slow

[03:45:02]

jstenback:

Criggie: sure do

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Beirdo:

jstenback: Hmmm, but it does recover, right?

[03:45:53]

jstenback:

Beirdo: well, if by recover you mean crash, yeah :)

[03:45:57]

jstenback:

eventually

[03:46:20]

jstenback:

Beirdo: so that frontend is pretty low powered, it's an atom cpu with an ION gpu

[03:46:46]

sphery:

crash and can get a backtrace at the point of the crash?

[03:46:56]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[03:47:07]

jstenback:

unfortunately that's really hard in my setup here

[03:47:29]

jstenback:

Beirdo: if I repeat the same thing on my main linux server here, where I can attach with gdb, I can see it's not deadlocked, it's processing Qt messages etc

[03:47:51]

jstenback:

and there I get a screen update once every 5 seconds or so

[03:48:24]

jstenback:

I can't say for sure that I'm seeing the identical thing on both systems, but it seems like it is

[03:48:38]

jstenback:

no vdpau on the big hardware, all software there

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Beirdo:

h

[03:48:51]

Beirdo:

k rather

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jstenback:

(no gpu in that system etc)

[03:48:57]

Beirdo:

it

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Beirdo:

gah, typing fail

[03:49:22]

Beirdo:

it's looking like the slave is disconnecting and then reconnecting to the master

[03:50:41]

Beirdo:

I dunno

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jstenback:

what I don't get is why both the slave and the frontend peg the cpu when this happens

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Beirdo:

it seems to be a weird master/slave backend communication issue

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jstenback:

are they bouncing messages between themselves or something?

[03:51:25]

Beirdo:

but I'm not sure here

[03:51:33]

jstenback:

Beirdo: all the while, the master is feeding another frontend from its pvr-250 very happily

[03:51:53]

jstenback:

so the master *seems* fine

[03:52:24]

Beirdo:

well, while it's pegged, you could pop into gdb, attach to the slave backend process and see what it's up to, I guess

[03:52:43]

jstenback:

again, on that slave I'm unable to do that :(

[03:52:56]

jstenback:

sorry, didn't make that clear earlier

[03:53:13]

jstenback:

the slave backend is running on the same hardware as that frontend is running on

[03:53:19]

jstenback:

no gdb there

[03:53:25]

jstenback:

(Minimyth)

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Beirdo:

huh?

[03:54:08]

jstenback:

yeah, no gdb in minimyth

[03:54:33]

Beirdo:

well, that was real smart of them

[03:54:33]

jstenback:

maybe the next step is to see how I could get a debugger installed there

[03:54:38]

jstenback:

yeah...

[03:54:47]

jstenback:

it's very stripped down

[03:55:32]

Beirdo:

well, maybe the silly people who didn't provide you any reasonable way of debugging the problem should debug it for ya

[03:55:46]

jstenback:

Beirdo: anything else you think I can do here w/o gdb?

[03:55:54]

jstenback:

yeah, maybe...

[03:56:05]

Beirdo:

not personally, sorry ;(

[03:56:07]

jstenback:

but I do see this on a frontend that is not in minimyth

[03:56:10]

jstenback:

there I can attach

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Beirdo:

gotta figure out what's hosing, and then why

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Beirdo:

the people who wrote that area of the code may be able to figure it out better though

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sphery:

OK, it's official, the MS "To the Cloud" commercials are now nominated for most-annoying commercial ever. Currently in the running with, Apple's, "highest-resolution phone screen ever."

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Beirdo:

hey, wait a second

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Beirdo:

minimyth... does it have a trunk version?

[03:58:51]

jstenback:

yeah

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jstenback:

at least when you build it yourself :)

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Beirdo:

k

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Yashy:

Can someone help with what I assume is an obvious fix? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/4FzJe9Nt

[04:26:11]

[R]:

you could start iwth updating your horribly old buggy and non release version of myth

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[R]:

oh wait n/m

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[R]:

thats 23.1

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[R]:

Yashy: and the logs say...

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Yashy:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/kY3th8ak added errors from logs to end

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sphery:

Yashy: typically you get the error you're seeing when your input connections are improperly defined

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[04:32:18]

sphery:

and, yeah, the second pastebin says that's exactly the problem

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Yashy:

in backend GUI when it defaulted to /dev/video0 it labelled the card correctly as my Hauppage PVR-150

[04:32:50]

Yashy:

checking out your URL, I assume it suggests resolutions to try?

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sphery:

you need to define capture cards, then video source(s), then connect that video source to an input on the capture cards

[04:33:27]

sphery:

then channels

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sphery:

this is all long before the recording profile--where you specify resolutions

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sphery:

but you'll want to use either 720x480 for NTSC or 720x576 for PAL

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Yashy:

ahh Scan for Channels is greyed out under Connect source to input

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Yashy:

no matter which of the 5 Input connections I choose (Tuner 1, S-Video 1/2, Composite 1/2)

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Beirdo:

why the heck do I seem to find all the odd crap?

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[R]:

Beirdo: cuz you are odd?

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sphery:

Yashy: you shouldn't be scanning for channels with a PVR-x50

[04:38:28]

Beirdo:

heh.

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sphery:

read that link I sent you

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sphery:

ideally you'll use Fetch channels from listings provider

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sphery:

Yashy: is this in North America?

[04:39:44]

Yashy:

yes, Canada

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sphery:

then, yeah, you want to use Schedules Direct ( http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ ) and Fetch channels

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Yashy:

was trying to void providing my info and cash to a 3rd party to use my card :/

[04:41:37]

Yashy:

I really only want to use it to record myself or partner when on tv, which is rare, yet in a few minutes :)

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sphery:

well, Schedules Direct uses Google Checkout (preferred) or PayPal, so at least it's a big 3rd party

[04:42:30]

sphery:

and you may not need to provide any payment info for the free 7-day trial

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sphery:

actually, seems you don't

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sphery:

really, though, if you don't have guide data, MythTV isn't a very useful app

[04:43:28]

sphery:

you could do what you want using v4lctl to change the channel and cat to record

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Yashy:

sounds like mythtv is overkill for my needs

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sphery:

I'm sure even mplayer could dump the file, too

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[R]:

sphery: mencoder

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sphery:

or try out one of the other tv apps

[04:44:14]

sphery:

yeah, mencoder could

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Yashy:

It's the changing the channel in mplayer/vlc that isn't obvious to me, will man v4lctl

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sphery:

v4lctl is just a command-line tool to pass commands to the card

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[R]:

Yashy: the channel to tune is an option to mplayer

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sphery:

Yashy: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl + http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl_%28Examples%29

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sphery:

maybe http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtv-tune

[04:48:27]

sphery:

http://www.harecoded.com/how-to-watch-and-rec . . . -linux-99682 may be useful

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Yashy:

thanks guys, should get me on the right track!

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sphery:

pretty sure gnome and kde have tv apps, too

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sphery:

anyway, good luck

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sphery:

and cool that you're going to be on tv

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k-man:

when i play some mkv files in mplayer, it seems to play well, except it pauses every so often

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k-man:

is that just lack of cpu?

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[R]:

what does mplayer have to do with mythtv?

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k-man:

nothing – except i launch it from mythtv

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[R]:

exactly, nothing

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k-man:

piss off

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

exactly, we dont support mplayer

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wagnerrp:

we cant help you with deficiencies

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wagnerrp:

what CPU? what encoding options?

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wagnerrp:

codec? entropy compressor? bitrate? reference frames? resolution? anything?

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** wagnerrp wonders off again due to lack of information **

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k-man:

intel pentium D 3.4GHz, Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 640x480, PAR 1:1 DAR 4:3, 23.98 fps, 23.98 tbr, 1k tbn, 47.95 tbc

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wagnerrp:

bitrate? entropy compressor?

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k-man:

wagnerrp: how do i find out that info?

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wagnerrp:

from the tool you used to compress it

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k-man:

oh.. bitrate is 384kb/s

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wagnerrp:

CABAC or CAVLC

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wagnerrp:

surely 384KB/s, not kbps

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k-man:

err, cut and paste from ffmpeg -i: Duration: 00:59:08.96, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 384 kb/s

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k-man:

oh, that might be the audio stream – yeah

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wagnerrp:

so its only 170MB?

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k-man:

it is, here is the video stream info: x264 L4.1 1722kbps

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k-man:

sorry – not experienced at reading the ffmpeg output

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[R]:

i don't think amazon likes me pounding their servers

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wagnerrp:

where did you find this encoding profile? its pretty funky

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wagnerrp:

that bitrate, shouldnt be 4.1

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k-man:

wagnerrp: um... a friend encoded this video for me

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wagnerrp:

yeah....

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wagnerrp:

well youre not CPU limited, meaning its either a problem with mplayer, or that video

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wagnerrp:

cant help you with either here

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k-man:

wagnerrp: ok, well... thats good to know at least, thanks

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jstenback:

Beirdo: building minimyth with gdb enabled now (I think), should be able to debug tomorrow

[06:11:27]

jstenback:

or at least get stack traces

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[R]:

you need debug files

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Beirdo:

good

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jstenback:

[R]: well, we'll see what I get, if I'm lucky the myth binaries don't get stripped at least

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[R]:

that would be irony

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[R]:

if something called "mini" wouldn't be stripped

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jstenback:

well, with debug enabled it might not be very mini

[06:13:28]

jstenback:

I'll find out once it's done (a few hours from now)

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justinh:

minimyth really ain't so mini any more – and besides there's hardly any point in it with storage of all kinds being so cheap now

[06:35:19]

justinh:

it's still kind of neat that you get a whole distro in under 256MB though

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[R]:

justinh: THAT'S what she said

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justinh:

yeah but her idea of size has always been suspicious IMHO

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

I also updated to MythTV .22.

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[R]:

wow

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[R]:

did i enter a time machine?

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jstenback:

justinh: the ease of netbooting it is what's appealing to me

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Beirdo:

not as easy as booting from a 2.5" drive

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jstenback:

true, but my frontend doesn't have any moving parts :)

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justinh:

jstenback: you don't need a mini distro for netbooting – and fwiw it doesn't necessarily make it easier or faster :-)

[07:20:43]

justinh:

heck even if you have a netboot partition of a few GB in size it makes little difference.. how much video can you fit in that room anyway? ;-)

[07:21:32]

jstenback:

justinh: sure, but in my case, getting minimyth to netboot was way faster than fedora, which happens to be what I tend to use

[07:21:43]

jstenback:

faster, as in less effort

[07:22:20]

jstenback:

now, it does have its drawbacks too, but it generally works for me.

[07:23:00]

Beirdo:

jstenback: so put an SSD in there. still no moving parts

[07:23:15]

Beirdo:

other than when you toss it across the room into a wall

[07:23:36]

justinh:

I found that minimyth's config file was by far & away the biggest blocker. That & the stream of changes made to the syntax etc almost every release. gah

[07:24:33]

Beirdo:

hehe

[07:25:39]

jstenback:

Beirdo: sure, but if I don't *need* to buy several ssd's, I'm not going to :)

[07:26:17]

jstenback:

justinh: yeah, the config file is a pain, but tbh, I really haven't seen many changes there lately

[07:26:22]

jstenback:

ok, time to head to bed here

[07:26:47]

jstenback:

Beirdo: thanks for helping look at my weird almost-deadlock thing earlier

[07:27:28]

Beirdo:

no problem

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Beirdo:

got my bug fixed too

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Beirdo:

now I go to bed. zzzzzzzzzz

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justinh:

wouldn't fancy trying to debug minimyth – least not on the last box I used it on.. imagine compiling it on an 800Mhz athlon or a Nehemia CPU.. SHUDDER

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toeb:

hi, is anyone using the service from epgdata.com ? is it worth its money?

[08:00:11]

justinh:

gotta be better than using website scrapers

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toeb:

justinh: i was wondering how complete the channel list is and the quality of the data

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toeb:

makes no sense if its less information than transmitted via eit

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justinh:

I doubt it'd be less than that

[08:14:22]

justinh:

but it looks like their website is broken in firefox

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toeb:

in germany a lot of Channels show the same shows but with different eit data so dublication checks fail often and you have to do some sql-foo to avoid dublicate recordings... was wondering if their service fixes this issue

[08:16:50]

justinh:

same in the UK too – even our xmltv service has descriptions that change for repeats

[08:19:13]

justinh:

found from the xmltv wiki – this page should tell you which channels it supports: http://www.epgdata.com/?action=newSubscriptio . . . amp;iOEM=VDR

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toeb:

too bad, i thought that's exactly what those services are for..

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justinh:

the descriptions may vary whichever epg data provider you use

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toeb:

thx, but after a quick look the list is far away from beeing complete..

[08:21:36]

justinh:

there's never going to be a guarantee that episode Y of show X will always be listed the same way

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toeb:

mh that's sad

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justinh:

anyway take heart in knowing that at least you're not bound by Windows MCE.. which can sometimes result in you never recording any new showings – only repeats :-P

[08:22:53]

justinh:

it's not that much of a problem to record too much TV

[08:23:01]

justinh:

better than not recording enough & missing something

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justinh:

storage has never been cheaper

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justinh:

and it's only ever going to get cheaper

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toeb:

this whole epg thingy somewhat sabotages what myth could do :-(

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justinh:

no it doesn't

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justinh:

if you want every episode, in the correct order just wait for the box set to come out :-P

[08:24:23]

justinh:

cheaper than subscribing to pay TV, too

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toeb:

well i think starting 5 shows before you geht the one you actually haven't seen is not that much fun

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justinh:

suit yourself. it's not gonna improve overnight & there's nothing anybody here can do about it

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toeb:

i hoped those epgdata.com guys did something about it...

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justinh:

oh crap. people are already bloggin about 0.24 but neglecting to mention it's only an RC

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toeb:

hehe

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toeb:

buying box sets also not a solution for me, I don't watch anything more than once if i can avoid it... a good video on Demand service nicely integrated into myth would maybe be a solution...

[08:29:29]

justinh:

nicely integrated?! wth planet do you live on? nobody is ever gonna agree to that from the companies end of the bargain

[08:30:41]

justinh:

all the internet on demand crap uses flash.. which is probably the *worst* possible choice for linux users

[08:30:55]

justinh:

well flash or silverlight.. and silverlight is worse than flash

[08:31:44]

justinh:

it wouldn't matter so much if they didn't restrict the flash streams to be played by their own player or else. I mean myth's internal player copes with flash video really well

[08:31:59]

toeb:

i'm aware that there is only crap out there ...

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justinh:

but no, they insist on restricting delivery to only flash players :-(

[08:33:07]

toeb:

really?

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toeb:

thats incredibly stupid....

[08:33:32]

justinh:

yeah. myth plays everything by the book – and that means agreeing to whatever T&Cs a service has

[08:33:55]

justinh:

like if they forbid hacking the swf to get the URL of the real video.. we play by their rules

[08:34:33]

justinh:

if they insist that the stream has to remain embedded in a webpage, we play ball again

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justinh:

they say they're preventing piracy. nobody is really buying that. they're tying people in for no real good reason – and they're certainly not preventing any piracy

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toeb:

i also don't get, why $Company wont take myth build their own yippiyay-Entertainment box and sell it with their Service...

[08:37:25]

toeb:

those freaks with their own box would simply be potential customers..

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toeb:

IMHO everyone would wins

[08:38:07]

justinh:

maybe because mythtv is so open-ended.. and people can do whatever they want with it. so $company won't ultimately control every aspect of whatever the customer uses it with. Hello AppleTV

[08:38:23]

justinh:

look at how sucky boxee is

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justinh:

more than half the stuff they're peddling isn't even usable outside the US

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toeb:

haven't had a look..

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justinh:

it sucks, and its logo makes me want to punch it in the face :)

[08:39:13]

toeb:

hrhr

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justinh:

oh great! streaming video! Fantastic! Oh wait.. content not available in your country... Try another. gah! Content not available in your country. Try another... OH F... UNINSTALL

[08:40:16]

justinh:

I know it's not boxee's 'fault' as such but it still isn't good

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justinh:

is it just me or is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythDataGrabber#Examples really not using the proper bindings?

[09:14:31]

justinh:

oh jees. MythicalLibrarian. ARGHHH. Damn it to hell

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justinh:

sphery: picking up on a thread I found about VDR seeing device already in use errors (re the issue I had with mythbackend erroneously reporting devices were unavailable) – is it remotely possible it's an inheritance thing? i.e. some process which has taken the device & gets forked off.. and is still running somehow?

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justinh:

I've not seen any errors about the device in use since I updated.. so not even a single retry despite a very busy recording schedule

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justinh:

OMG that's a real domain? LOL

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toeb:

what does mythtv do if i have set a xmltvid for a channel and also activate useonairguide?

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sphery:

toeb: it happily does exactly what you told it to do--destroy the listings and break your recording rules and MythTV functionality

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sphery:

toeb: assuming you're actually using an xmltv grabber or Schedules Direct that provides data for that channel

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sphery:

toeb: in short, you can't mix multiple listings providers on a single channel or MythTV won't work properly

[10:38:47]

kenni:

skd5aner: re: r26871. This makes MythTV always display subtitles, when available. Analog TV in Denmark has always had hardcoded subtitles in the picture, and most foreign programs around here is with English audio and Danish subtitles, so it makes sense to enable subtitles as the default setting for digital broadcastings as well :)

[10:39:05]

fixer:

Greetings. I have a small issue with mythtv and a hdhomerun device. Is anyone familiar with that set-up?

[10:40:30]

kenni:

skd5aner: I've always had this setting enabled, and I asked some other Danish MythTV users, and they had it enabled as well.

[10:46:58]

justinh:

fixer: maybe just try asking a real question. we don't do so well with meta questions here

[10:48:32]

justinh:

re subtitles.. why can't everyone just learn English damnit?

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justinh:

pfft :-)

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Peitolm:

grr, i hate it when PS streams move around on DVB-S

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justinh:

why do they do it? because they can can can. Woohooo!

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fixer:

OK justinh. When I run mythtv backend, it seems to be streaming from the hdhomerun even if I am not watching or recording anything.

[10:50:31]

justinh:

yup

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justinh:

then you need to tick the 'use on demand' option in the HDHR setup page within mythtv-setup

[10:51:08]

justinh:

then mythbackend will only use it when it absolutely needs it

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justinh:

but as I suspect you're doing this so that you can use other apps sometimes.. well it's up to you if you don't mind mythtv missing recordings because you forget to close another app which uses it

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fixer:

Ahh. OK. Seems I missed that in amongst the other numerous options :)

[10:52:38]

fixer:

Not too interested in other applications, more not using up the network B/W when it isn't needed.

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justinh:

fair 'nuff

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justinh:

though it's not as if you have to pay for home network load. heheh

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fixer:

true

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justinh:

and fwiw.. we here at #mythtv-users value your sane choice not to try & use the device when mythtv isn't recording ;-)

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toeb:

sphery: thx

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mtrax:

hello, any one know why MythTV is not detected a duplicate show?

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mtrax:

I can see the title in the oldrecorded table, is that where it searches

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sphery:

fixer: also, note that if you use EIT (versus XMLTV or Schedules Direct), it will spend a lot of time using the HDHR to get those listings.

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justinh:

patience of saints, some people

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justinh:

and anyway, I thought people could speak English in australia.. not Yoda

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justinh:

IMHO more people would complain if mythtv was recording too *few* showings :)

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justinh:

oh boy. we've all been 'invited' to another of those quarterly briefings by the directors :-\

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justinh:

an hour long, standing room only affair. they rounded up people who opted not to attend last time. think I'll book the day off

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DJDan:

I have a "HP Pavilion (Yuan EC300 DVB-T TV) Expresscard 34 HD TV Tuner".... Product ID: 0x0bc7 .. Vendor ID: 0x10b8 (Manfacturer: Yuan) .... My mac detects it under hardware as a "Digital TV" card. Was wondering if MythTV for snow leopard would fix this?

[13:03:04]

justinh:

nope it very much won't fix that

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justinh:

you'd need to run linux on your mac hardware to stand any chance of the tuner working at all on that hardware

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DJDan:

justinh: but, under usb .. it detects as 'digital tv'

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justinh:

but nothing

[13:04:33]

justinh:

mythtv only supports DTV capture on LINUX anyway

[13:04:59]

justinh:

on OSX or windows, mythbackend is restricted to network connected tuners only

[13:05:56]

justinh:

so the answer to your original question, NO running mythtv on a Mac OS will not fix anything with respect to your TV tuner

[13:06:29]

DJDan:

justinh: oh... well do u know any mac hd tv tuner software that might?... eyetv seems to only allow the standard vendors

[13:06:52]

justinh:

it's not a matter of software. it's a matter of driver support. no device driver on that OS, no worky. EVER

[13:07:48]

justinh:

but if you look at the wiki at linuxtv.org you *might* find the tuner is supported on linux – then you could run linux on your mac & then you could use the tuner

[13:08:04]

justinh:

otherwise you're kinda stuffed without a paddle

[13:08:54]

DJDan:

justinh: well the System profiler on my snow leopard.. under USB high-speed bus.. detects it as a "Digital TV".. so there might be some hope.. was hoping native support.. kinda a overkill running a whole OS just for tv tuner use

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DJDan:

i read somewhere that cx88_dvb module or something makes it work i think... whatever that is

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justinh:

yeah that'd be a driver

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justinh:

which has to exist on OSX

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DJDan:

justinh: well how do i get that driver.. and will that driver support my card... cause my card is yuan ec300 dvb-tv

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justinh:

it likely will NOT work on OSX

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justinh:

if there were OSX drivers for it you'd be able to get them from Yuan

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DJDan:

i was talking more of a generic driver that supports whatever chipset it uses

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

your choices come down to this: Buy a tuner supported by OSX or use linux if that tuner you've got is actually supported.. which I'm beginning to doubt

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justinh:

it isn't on the list here: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCMCIA_Cards so it likely won't work in linux either. Buy a supported tuner

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** justinh wonders how piece of junk HP TV tuners end up separated from their host machines anyway... **

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DJDan:

justinh: its a expresscard 34... the graphics card on it died a painfull death and was hoping i can use it in my mac :)

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toeb:

is there a script to activate useonaierguide for channels that don't have a xmltvid set?

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skd5aner:

nope

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skd5aner:

but you could easily write a SQL statement to do so, or manually use mythweb and go in and do it

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wagnerrp:

no, just do it through the channel editor

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wagnerrp:

backend/frontend/or mythweb

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wagnerrp:

they all have one

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skd5aner:

yea, it's just easier in mythweb since you can easily see everything on a single screen – click click click submit

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skd5aner:

:)

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toeb:

i know i should not mess with the db, this is why i asked..

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skd5aner:

that is try, my recommendation of using SQl is not recommended

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toeb:

if it only where 3 clicks :-/

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skd5aner:

s/try/true

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: are you going to make individual point release pages? or just use the -fixes page?

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wagnerrp:

i only ask as the 0.25 page links to 0.24.1

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: well, it definitely shouldn't...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I staged those pages a while ago...

[14:30:59]

skd5aner:

so my intent is this...

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toeb:

skd5aner: and it seems not that easy, i tried to deactivate it for one channel using sql, but the change was not reflected int the Channeleditor.. so it seems i have to alter more than one field..

[14:31:38]

toeb:

or table..

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wagnerrp:

looks like youre going to make the -fixes pages uncategorized commit notes

[14:31:59]

wagnerrp:

so you just sort by changeset, and those are the 'fixes' in the point release

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skd5aner:

I'm going to track -fixes chronologically, and when a point release is made, I'll indicate all the changes from A to B are for .1, etc

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justinh:

toeb: channels have that set by default upon scanning them

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justinh:

IIRC

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toeb:

yes but i used mythweb to deactivate them for all channels, thought the xmltv provider was more complete...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I haven't totally decided yet, honestly – fixes receives a bunch of stuff, but not sure categorization is as critical when you're just looking at what's changed – it's not usually as broad for one

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skd5aner:

it's more about "what's changed since I've last synced to the fixes branch" and "what changed between point releases"

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skd5aner:

since new functionality rarely gets backported, it's almost always bug fixes – so sorted by categories makes less sense to me than sorting chronologically

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wagnerrp:

sounds good

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skd5aner:

Since I haven't truely focused on backports, I figured it'll be a fluid experiment the first go around :)

[14:36:43]

skd5aner:

I had throw around the idea of marking items in the "trunk/next version" release notes that get backported in a special way – like color, asterisk, bold, or something, but going to hold off on that for now

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wagnerrp:

ooh... annoted mode in trac is pretty cool

[14:38:54]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: why are people doing rips in webm?

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iamlindoro:

because they're insaaaaaaane

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wagnerrp:

i mean he even had to go searching for a tool to encode to that

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wagnerrp:

normally, you go through that sort of effort, you end up doing some reading that shows webm isnt worth the effort at the moment

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iamlindoro:

The truth is you can *probably* (and I haven't checked) compile myth with --enable-libvpx and it'd probably work

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wagnerrp:

and then to call it a bug that we dont support some brand new codec?

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cervera:

Hi, i keep getting thrown out of livetv (after the "please wait..." message) and not able to record ((hauppage pvr 150, RF in)

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cervera:

an advice?

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs

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cervera:

any*

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cervera:

okay, what's the path?

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wagnerrp:

depends on your distro, somewhere in /var/log is generally a good place to start looking

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cervera:

:D, i'll check

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wagnerrp:

seems WD put out a 'real' 3TB drive

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skd5aner:

yay, lower 2TB costs a month away! :D

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wagnerrp:

amazingly, windows only supports booting off of it in the 64bit version

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wagnerrp:

although why anyone would still be running a 32-bit version of windows, i cant fathom

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skd5aner:

way common actually

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wagnerrp:

by 'real', i mean SATA, and not garbage USB

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skd5aner:

that said, has manufactures started to default to 64-bit?

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wagnerrp:

considering /all/ of their hardware has supported it for several years, i dont see why not

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skd5aner:

If I go buy any Dell win7 machine, is it going to be 64-bit build?

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wagnerrp:

the original Core line was the last worthwhile 32-bit system

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skd5aner:

I just don't know – I haven't bought a windows based manufactured computer since 98?

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skd5aner:

I've built them all

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skd5aner:

I do know that at work they're just now launching the windows 7 build, but 32-bit only

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wagnerrp:

WD is supplying a HBA with all drives

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wagnerrp:

wow

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skd5aner:

64-bit is still being "tested" for developers

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wagnerrp:

i remember when they did that with the 127GB transition

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wagnerrp:

got a couple PATA controllers through that

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cervera:

wagnerrp: stupid of me: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/gnQPkfMD that's the fastest and most usefull support yet: "look at the logs"

[14:59:41]

cervera:

just locked on a bad chan, mess in he channels list

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cervera:

the*

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wagnerrp:

yeah, not sure how you managed to get it onto channel 500

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wagnerrp:

are you doing this with digital cable?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, your ip reads french

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cervera:

no. well, I don't really have a channels list and i did auto search

[15:02:03]

cervera:

now i have to find how to tune the channels manually

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cervera:

FRENCH?

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cervera:

heh, no. i'm on a web client

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cervera:

not installed a decent client yet. first i'm messing with the mythtv setup

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wagnerrp:

bull.com, theyre registered out of Massachusetts, but oddly half their webpage is french

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cervera:

I believe it'll take me some time till i get things working properly...

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wagnerrp:

so analog cable then?

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be doing an analog channel scan

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wagnerrp:

(in north america)

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cervera:

bull.com? i'm using webchat.freenode.net

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cervera:

yep, analog

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wagnerrp:

yes, the webclient prints your connecting ip in its whois data

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you shouldnt be scanning analog, you should be pulling a lineup from schedules direct

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cervera:

"schedules direct"?

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wagnerrp:

the only worthwhile guide data service in north america

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cervera:

heh, well, the /whois posts my ip indeed, BUT, it's not french. it's israeli

[15:08:27]

cervera:

and hence, schedules direct won't help me

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cervera:

nevermind, i'll get a list, i was just a bit lazy that's all

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wagnerrp:

well... dont know what you would use for guide data in israel

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wagnerrp:

i know weve got at least one other user in that area

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cervera:

one other user? that's true, not many users for mythtv here :P

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cervera:

my bigger problem is a grabber. tv_grab_il is relatively new, and it isn't bundled in the last compiled version of xmltv

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wagnerrp:

heh... seems you were the other user from israel

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cervera:

teehee

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wagnerrp:

well scratch that, youre all alone (at least according to these channel logs)

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** cervera sings "lonely, I am so lonley....." **

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cervera:

how can i manually ad a grabber to xmltv?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never used it

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cervera:

hmm, okay

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wagnerrp:

youll have to wait for the european crowd to get active

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cervera:

lol

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cervera:

you're up quite early

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wagnerrp:

early? its 11am

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cervera:

good point

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: not sure how much you expect 2TB drives to drop

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wagnerrp:

the 3TB ones are supposed to retail for $250

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wagnerrp:

2TB ones are already ~$100

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cervera:

wagnerrp: mybe you can help me with this: i work with mythbuntu distro. latest xmltv in the site is 0.5.58, while latest according to my package manager is 56

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cervera:

why?

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wagnerrp:

the ubuntu package hasnt been updated

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cervera:

(i know, not a straight mythtv Q, bu since you're so nice...)

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wagnerrp:

xmltv doesnt maintain those, ubuntu does

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wagnerrp:

and whoever is in charge of that either simply hasnt done so, or has deemed that release unstable

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cervera:

meaning (you're talking to a linux starter)

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wagnerrp:

more likely the former

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cervera:

oh

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wagnerrp:

for example, mythtv doesnt maintain packages on all hundred or so distros, we just do the source

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wagnerrp:

its up to package managers on each of the various distros to compile and release packages for their particular system through their package managers

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cervera:

so I'm guessing my options are: compile myself (and get kicked out of the house by my wife for sitting too long on the computer) or find a way to get the grabber from the new version into the old one

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wagnerrp:

never used xmltv, dont know

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cervera:

okay okay, i'll wait for the euro chunk to get alive

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tgm4883:

or ping the ubuntu maintainer and ask him to update it?

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cervera:

:D maybe...

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Beirdo:

heh, that'd never work...

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marc-us-tx:

Howdy again all.

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cervera:

anyone here using xmltv?

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jstenback:

yes

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cervera:

yay!

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cervera:

jstenback: do you know how to add a grabber?

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jstenback:

cervera: like, write a new one for a new source?

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cervera:

my grabber appears in a new version of xmltv that isn't yet available vor mythbuntu

[16:13:18]

jstenback:

oh, I'd just uninstall the mythbuntu one and install the new version by hand

[16:13:20]

cervera:

meaning i want to add an existing grabber (i have the file) to an existing xmltv

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jstenback:

that I don't know how one could do

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jstenback:

or if it would even work

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cervera:

my problem, i that it's only the source. i don't know if there's a compiled version

[16:14:23]

cervera:

what distro are you using?

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jstenback:

cervera: AFAIK it's all perl code

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jstenback:

cervera: Fedora

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jstenback:

using xmltv-0.5.56, which may be old by now

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stuarta:

you should be able to just drop the new grabber in and mythtv will find it

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cervera:

me too. and 57 already includes the new tv_grab_il

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cervera:

stuarta: drop it where?

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wagnerrp:

is xmltv anything more than a collection of grabber scripts?

[16:16:27]

stuarta:

where ever the rest of them are

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: I don't think it is, no

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wagnerrp:

is there actually anything to compile?

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cervera:

that's the thing, I don't think it's enough

[16:18:05]

cervera:

there's a list somewhere, i think, that needs to be updated, and there's a command to do so. that was what i realised last time i tried to do so but got impatient

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cervera:

how can i check what commands xmltv has?

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deegan:

i got a question about recording schedules. My setup is a standalone backend and one frontend for now, going for more frontends later and that's why i have them split up now. If i schedule a recording to go start at say 11:00 PM and i do this from the frontend and then shut it down the recording will fail, is there any general or common reasons why this would happen?

[16:48:29]

deegan:

http://pastebin.com/uPxJkDj6 that is output from that particular show and i think it's wierd that it says i need to configure my transports.

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skd5aner:

heh – http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010 . . . d_andre.html

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skd5aner:

"RENT is 2 DAMN HIGH!"

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wagnerrp:

deegan: recording has nothing to do with a frontend

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wagnerrp:

there is no reason why terminating a frontend would have any effect on recording happening on the backend

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deegan:

wagnerrp: and that's why i find it strange that if i schedule a recording from my frontend and turn it off the recording will fail but if i leave it on it works.

[16:52:08]

wagnerrp:

your backend is completely standalone?

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deegan:

yes sir.

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wagnerrp:

it houses the tuners, database, and storage?

[16:52:28]

deegan:

yes sir.

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wagnerrp:

there is no backend process running on your frontend?

[16:52:43]

deegan:

no sir.

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wagnerrp:

then there is no reason why your frontend being connected or not would make any difference

[16:53:31]

wagnerrp:

problems with channels not being found generally indicates the channel lineup has changed

[16:53:45]

wagnerrp:

and you need to rescan your transports to update the map, as indicated in the logs

[16:54:02]

wagnerrp:

a frontend being active wouldnt change this

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deegan:

yea that's why i've been so puzzled by this, it just doesnt make sense. I guess i'll do an overhaul and quadruplecheck everything again.

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sidh:

Greetings

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sidh:

I would need your advice : I have a remote wonder I from ati , and some buttons doesn't work (i'm running mythbuntu 10.04 up to date), i follow this link http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Remote_Wonder but it doesn't seem to work, when i run irw, i can see the event that are displayed, but mythtv does'nt recognize them

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sidh:

any idea

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sidh:

?

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wagnerrp:

you dont have your ~/.mythtv/lircrc set up to handle them

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sidh:

i go to look in that file

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toeb:

is it possible to have some channels use xmltv and some use the on air guide

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toeb:

all channels on the same input

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duffydack:

Ok, so Ive got it setup and working with my nova T usb stick. However, the remote control I got with it (model DSR 0112 ?) hardly works properly. I can select channels by number, but not by chan up/down, also menu button doesnt work, and volume buttons only change the global volume on my system, I`d rather it change the volume within mythtv ? any help?

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trumee:

can 0.24 deal with iso and VIDEO_TS files in storage group?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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trumee:

wagnerrp: cool

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trumee:

what about scanning channels on analog tuner, does that work now?

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trumee:

iirc that feature stopped working in 0.23

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wagnerrp:

0.23 supported scanning analog tuners

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trumee:

might have been 0.22 then

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wagnerrp:

note that there is no way to scan capture cards, nor has there ever been

[17:31:53]

trumee:

iirc there was a particular version which couldnt scan channels from an analog tuner, ie wintv pvr-250

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wagnerrp:

0.22

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trumee:

ah. so the issue has already been sorted. cool.

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duffydack:

well since I got no idea how to get all the buttons on this haupage card style remote, will a MCE remote work OOTB?

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Beirdo:

yay, my "balance storage groups by percent available" patch seems to be working

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wagnerrp:

duffydack: the remote should, yes, but you will still have to write up a lircrc for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

or pull one of the examples off the wiki

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: hes pissing off the xbmc devs now too... http://forum.xbmc.org/showpost.php?p=627813&postcount=124

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Beirdo:

heheh

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bjn:

it would be pretty awesome if the mythxml interface would be extended with operations like that though

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duffydack:

wagnerrp, I found one for my dsr-0112 but its not any better.. same as not using lirc :(

[18:09:57]

wagnerrp:

duffydack: there are lircrc files for both mceusb and hauppauge remotes on the wiki

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bjn:

remove the mythweb and redone it using jquery to retrieve the data from the backend using mythxml, removing the need for all frontends to know anything about mysql/schemas etc

[18:11:10]

wagnerrp:

bjn: the eventual plan is something along those lines

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bjn:

wagnerrp: nice! would be piece of cake to make an iphone app etc ;)

[18:11:39]

wagnerrp:

move the database internal to the master backend

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duffydack:

wagnerrp, oh, I was using a lircd.conf I found on the web.. I`ll have a look for that lircrc

[18:12:07]

wagnerrp:

and extend the myth protocol (or some replacement) to give full access to everything previously done with direct mysql

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bjn:

i'm guessing thats a lot of maintenance needed to just keep up with changes in the database

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bjn:

mmm

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kormoc:

yeah cause the mythweb iphone skin with the iphone gui isn't good enough

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duffydack:

wagnerrp, all I see is http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/DSR-0112 and its not working for me. must be missing sometihng

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wagnerrp:

that one? dont know... i thought you were referring to the generic hauppauge gray

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wagnerrp:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ww . . . 26rls%3Dorg.

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wagnerrp:

mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1343%26bih%3D856%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs =1&iact=rc&dur=302&oei=MeK9TOTYNIL-8AbR_fjQAg&esq=1&page=1&a mp;ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0&tx=23&ty=64

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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duffydack:

nah, the small credit card size thing

[18:24:21]

wagnerrp:

http://www.hauppauge.com/Pages/press/presspic . . . te_front.jpg

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duffydack:

do I have to enable it in mythtv ?

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wagnerrp:

if you run 'irw', do you get anything?

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wagnerrp:

thats a command line application

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duffydack:

hangon, need to install lirc again. the options for remotes, I`m not sure Im picking the right one (the options immediately after install lirc)

[18:27:11]

duffydack:

irw does nothing..

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wagnerrp:

how about mode2?

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duffydack:

when I press buttons it does , doh

[18:27:47]

wagnerrp:

mode2 or irw?

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duffydack:

irw

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wagnerrp:

if that works, then you need to write up a ~/.mythtv/lircrc for your remote

[18:28:18]

wagnerrp:

if you cannot find one online

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duffydack:

oh, so it HAS to go in .mythtv

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wagnerrp:

its mythtv thats reading the file

[18:29:03]

wagnerrp:

that file you found on sourceforge, that is not a lircrc

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wagnerrp:

thats an lircd.conf

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wagnerrp:

lircd.conf maps raw codes to button names

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wagnerrp:

lircrc maps button names to program functions

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duffydack:

ah crap, how do I make my own lircrc

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duffydack:

certain buttons work ootb tho, hmm

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duffydack:

ah cool. used the mythbuntu lirc generator, it used the lircd.conf to make an lircrc and it works!

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duffydack:

I dont have mythbuntu installed so I didnt know about that app.. im just using regular mythtv package from maverick repo.

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marc-us-tx:

nice duffydack. I always seem to have to configure my lirc configs manually. It's not as nice as how you set it up.

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duffydack:

the chan up/down doesnt move channel up/down immediately, just shows me the info and then I have to press ok to switch, but apart from that, menu button works, volume, so I`m good

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duffydack:

shame I cant get any other sounds while tv is playing..

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wagnerrp:

sure you can

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wagnerrp:

ALSA supports multiplexing multiple sources just fine

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duffydack:

well, I cant .. myth isnt listed as an application playing sound in sound prefs

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duffydack:

is it supposed to?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cant account for your distro's poor decision of forcing pulseaudio on everyone

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duffydack:

:(

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sphery:

This is just so bad. It's annoying that I can't hear beeps, pops, and clicks from my desktop environment that block out the sound from the video. After all, if I wanted to listen to the audio in my video, why would I be trying to make other sounds come out of the same sound card

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sphery:

:)

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marc-us-tx:

duffydack: you can edit the configuration file for the remote buttons to do as you wish and map them to keyboard input.

[19:19:48]

marc-us-tx:

There's always going to be a button or two that don't act as you wish.

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duffydack:

seems its setup ok... up is up, chan- is chan-

[19:22:48]

duffydack:

not a problem either way

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** iamlindoro loves the powerglove. It's so bad. **

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wagnerrp:

what, did you add 'rumble' to it?

[19:25:01]

iamlindoro:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/690/690449p1.html

[19:25:06]

iamlindoro:

That's a horrible article

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iamlindoro:

because everyone knows the worst controller ever was Rob the Robot

[19:25:51]

iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.O.B.

[19:25:56]

iamlindoro:

Though he is vaguely WALL-E ish

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duffydack:

silyl question maybe.. when setting up the backend, I chose PAL as the tv standard, would choosing pal60 improve the tearing?

[19:26:38]

wagnerrp:

how is that a game controller?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Using the NES controller, you turned him, had him clasp a top, drop it in a spinner, pick it up, and balance it on a lever to hold it down, which depressed a button, which had onscreen effects

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: It's every bit as intuitive as it sounds

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marc-us-tx:

duffydack: Sorry man, we use NTSC here.

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marc-us-tx:

Where I live...

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iamlindoro:

duffydack: No.

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duffydack:

iamlindoro, didnt think it would, thanks.

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iamlindoro:

the TV standard you choose in setup has no bearing on video playback

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wagnerrp:

duffydack: screen tearing is controlled by your video card and output mechanism

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duffydack:

its not real bad anyway.. I can live with it.

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duffydack:

sat far away its not noticeable at all..

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duffydack:

which is where getting the remote working came in :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gyromite_ROB.jpg

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wagnerrp:

so wait, this wasnt even plugged into the system?

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iamlindoro:

a regular controller slotted into it

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wagnerrp:

it looks likes its mechanically attached to the regular controller

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iamlindoro:

and the mechanism pressed buttons

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iamlindoro:

every child in america quickly learned to run the second controller with his feet

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wagnerrp:

thats just... wrong

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iamlindoro:

I daresay I never completed a single level of Gyromite as intended

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you would be amused to know the xbmc developer forums are being inundated by 'idea men'

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: heh, any notables?

[19:37:20]

wagnerrp:

our librarian friend

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iamlindoro:

yay

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iamlindoro:

any good posts of note?

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wagnerrp:

http://forum.xbmc.org/showpost.php?p=627129&postcount=114

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iamlindoro:

heh.... hehehe

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wagnerrp:

basically, this whole thread from a couple pages back is amusing... http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=82015&page=13

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wagnerrp:

although in that page, one of the devs finally got fed up and ranted

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iamlindoro:

Surprised you didn't respond to when someone called the myth protocol "proprietary"

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wagnerrp:

semantics, proprietary versus custom

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you spend a lot of time over in XMBC dev forums?

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skd5aner:

out of curiousity or something?

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wagnerrp:

no, just this one thread

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sidh:

wagnerrp: thank you you were right , lircrc file needed to be updated

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sidh:

ati remote wonder (and i supposed any recognized RF remote) change the day life

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sphery:

if only there were a non-squishy version of the RW that didn't require so much force to get button presses to register.

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skd5aner:

RW?

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wagnerrp:

remote wonder

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iamlindoro:

squish squish

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sphery:

So, it's possible to have multiple audio streams in a single video file (that may span the entire video duration). Is the same true of video?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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justinh:

I thought that's what subtitles were :)

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sphery:

If so, will there always be an identifier for each stream (audio and video)?

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wagnerrp:

well... depends entirely on the container

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sphery:

like, can I make fileid, streamid, and sampleframe a primary key?

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sphery:

or would it be possible that some containers that support multiple audio/video streams won't have stream ids?

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luker:

Hi there, I'm doing a channel scan on my new Mythbuntu box using Pinnacle PCTV Sat. It results in "non-conflicting" and "conflicting" channels, marked "scte", "dvb" and two others I don

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luker:

t remember

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luker:

What means "scte"?

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wagnerrp:

society of cable television engineers

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wagnerrp:

if youre receiving those in germany, something is wrong

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sphery:

luker: you need to upgrade to newer 0.23-fixes

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luker:

Could I simply ignore them and go with the dvb channels?

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sphery:

luker: r26178 or higher

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sphery:

I /highly/ recommend updating so you get all the channels you should and so you don't break your config

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wagnerrp:

are you using a newly installed 10.04? or 10.10?

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luker:

It

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luker:

It's a newly installed 10.04.

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wagnerrp:

then you absolutely want to update

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wagnerrp:

because it ships with a buggy pre-release version of mythtv

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sphery:

yes

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luker:

Do I update with "apt-get update mythtv"?

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Beirdo:

mmmm, bugs.

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sphery:

luker: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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sphery:

luker: select 0.23 update, not 0.24/unstable/development/trunk one

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sphery:

(or it may say 0.23.1 or something...)

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mtrax:

hi, I've just read that MythTV uses the ProgramID field to check duplicate shows

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mtrax:

can someone tell me where this data comes from?

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wagnerrp:

the guide data provider

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mtrax:

I can't see it in my XML file

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wagnerrp:

then your data provider does not populate it

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mtrax:

oldrecorded : Sea Patrol Giving Up the Dead (EP009103882852) MythWeb : Program ID: EP9103882852

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mtrax:

I can see the data in db and mythweb

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mtrax:

is it calculated field

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wagnerrp:

no, it is only populated if given by your data provider

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mtrax:

<programme start="20101025140000 +1100" stop="20101025150000 +1100" channel="gem"> <title>Sea Patrol</title> <sub-title>Heart of Glass</sub-title> <desc>Bomber's 21st birthday celebrations are cut short when she and Spider are lost overboard. Bomber and Spider's problems go from bad to worse when they are "rescued" and held hostage by a desperate crime boss. Buffer faces disciplinary action for losing Bomber and Spi

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wagnerrp:

if you have it in the guide data, then it exists in your xmltv dump

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mtrax:

it appears that the provider or the data now has some leading zeros which the dup is failing on now

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mtrax:

EP009103882852) MythWeb : Program ID: EP9103882852

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mtrax:

I just need to figure out where its coming from.

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mtrax:

do you happen to know what the XML tag is for this field

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mtrax:

looking at my providers website I don't see any number like this.

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mtrax:

perhaps the providerid is a derived value calculated from multiple data items

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mtrax:

FYI just greped the xmlparse and it appears this field is built from a few tags

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mtrax:

xmltvparser.cpp

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