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| [00:08:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: still around? |
| [00:09:33] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:10:06] | wagnerrp: | got any opinion on a new TOC for the wiki manual? http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:About |
| [00:10:21] | wagnerrp: | versus the old? http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Introduction |
| [00:10:32] | sphery: | pretty |
| [00:10:42] | sphery: | and more useful, too |
| [00:11:07] | sphery: | since it doesn't force users to scroll way down on their short laptop/netbook screens to get to the content |
| [00:11:08] | wagnerrp: | i just never liked those 'prev/next/up/...' type navigation |
| [00:11:31] | sphery: | yeah, very hard to use |
| [00:11:59] | sphery: | you should make it keyboard-shortcut safe :) |
| [00:12:29] | ** wagnerrp requests someone who actually knows something about web programming ** | |
| [00:12:46] | wagnerrp: | what issues is it having? |
| [00:13:10] | sphery: | I mean make it so users can hit a key combo to go to prev next |
| [00:13:16] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_key |
| [00:14:18] | wagnerrp: | so alt+shift+right should go to the next in the list? |
| [00:14:38] | sphery: | right |
| [00:14:42] | sphery: | if you define an accesskey |
| [00:14:48] | wagnerrp: | well the old one didnt do it either |
| [00:14:53] | sphery: | right |
| [00:14:55] | sphery: | this would be new |
| [00:15:08] | wagnerrp: | the new one, ive got no clue how to pull that off |
| [00:15:09] | sphery: | it's a personal pet peeve of mine when I have to use a stupid mouse |
| [00:15:34] | sphery: | if it's not easy, then no worries |
| [00:15:51] | wagnerrp: | well i was going to have it highlight the page you were on |
| [00:16:01] | wagnerrp: | doing so would require a fair bit of logic |
| [00:16:05] | sphery: | ah |
| [00:16:09] | wagnerrp: | and would make adding access keys fairly simple |
| [00:16:23] | wagnerrp: | except it seems mediawiki did that automagically for me |
| [00:16:24] | sphery: | yeah, figured if you knew the current page, it would be easy enough to do the rest |
| [00:16:32] | sphery: | ah, then not worth it |
| [00:16:36] | sphery: | if only mw knows |
| [00:17:01] | wagnerrp: | if i figure out how its bolding the current page |
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| [00:17:19] | wagnerrp: | i could probably hack it in to the javascript running the expandable lists |
| [00:17:32] | sphery: | not worthwhil |
| [00:17:45] | sphery: | like you said, it didn't do it before |
| [00:18:21] | sphery: | I'm just too used to working in code where I know where I'm at--i.e. not using wiki, but a real programming language for creating pages/navigation |
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| [00:19:00] | wagnerrp: | well to be fair, the list is written in javascript |
| [00:19:10] | wagnerrp: | not wiki markup |
| [00:19:59] | wagnerrp: | its screwing with the edit buttons |
| [00:20:13] | sphery: | like I said, though, "real programming language" :) |
| [00:20:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah yeah |
| [00:20:26] | wagnerrp: | so, ruby? |
| [00:20:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:20:33] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [00:20:37] | sphery: | actually, usually Java |
| [00:20:44] | wagnerrp: | aww |
| [00:21:00] | sphery: | I'd consider Ruby for some things, though |
| [00:21:15] | wagnerrp: | thats not a programming language, thats something you drink to allow you to use programming languages |
| [00:22:31] | wagnerrp: | speaking of ruby, there was someone in the dev channel earlier wanting to access the backend protocol through ruby |
| [00:22:54] | sphery: | heh, those who diss Java just don't get Java |
| [00:22:54] | wagnerrp: | i did some prodding about 'proper bindings' |
| [00:23:04] | sphery: | yeah, proper bindings for Ruby would be the way to go |
| [00:23:05] | wagnerrp: | but i dont think any of those prods were solid hits |
| [00:23:11] | sphery: | too bad :( |
| [00:23:18] | sphery: | not that we need tons of new bindings to support |
| [00:23:38] | wagnerrp: | no, but the more the merrier (if there's someone to support them) |
| [00:23:41] | sphery: | but if we got someone serious who was willing to take care of them (like you with the Python bindings), it could be a very good thing |
| [00:23:44] | sphery: | exactly |
| [00:23:53] | wagnerrp: | id still love to see php bindings forked out of mythweb |
| [00:24:16] | sphery: | agreed |
| [00:24:33] | sphery: | but when kor moc finishes the Python port, it will be OBE |
| [00:24:42] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:31:01] | iamlindoro: | then he'll finally have learned about OSS |
| [00:31:09] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:31:29] | sphery: | if you're not doing the code that random people on the 'net demand you do, you just don't get FOSS |
| [00:31:43] | iamlindoro: | just like icons in MNV |
| [00:31:47] | sphery: | exactly |
| [00:32:04] | iamlindoro: | they should be in themes. Because. |
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| [00:32:29] | sphery: | yes, because all themes should have to know about all supported grabber scripts |
| [00:32:33] | iamlindoro: | we can have youtube_foreignfilms_graphite.png and youtube.filmsforeign.arclight.jpg and.. |
| [00:32:55] | RDV_Linux: | haha |
| [00:33:03] | sphery: | just like all apps in existence should incorporate DBus code to talk to GNOME screensaver and to talk to KDE screensaver |
| [00:33:25] | sphery: | and non-DBus code for xscreensaver, xlockmore, ... |
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| [00:33:59] | sphery: | versus having a single piece of code to interact with any existing screensaver |
| [00:34:06] | wagnerrp: | no sphery, clearly xscreensaver and xlockmore are broken because they do not listen to dbus |
| [00:34:14] | sphery: | redundancy is the hallmark of good design |
| [00:34:46] | wagnerrp: | redundancy is the bastion of programmers who write imperfect code |
| [00:34:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, true... a screensaver app that's designed to use /only/ X libs should write custom dbus code (since it can't use dbus libs)... |
| [00:35:21] | ** wagnerrp codes ice cream and farts rainbows ** | |
| [00:35:26] | sphery: | I forgot about that approach--even though it adds even more redundancy |
| [00:35:47] | sphery: | still, though, the dbus code works differently for GNOME and KDE screensavers |
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| [00:36:05] | sphery: | couldn't use a single standard comm method for both |
| [00:36:38] | sphery: | Unfortunately, the GNOME/KDE guys may get their wishes--johnnyj is doing a screensaver-dbus implementation for us |
| [00:36:57] | wagnerrp: | dont we already hook into dbus for something? |
| [00:37:06] | sphery: | yeah for shutdown stuff |
| [00:37:13] | sphery: | Qt has all the dbus code we need |
| [00:37:13] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [00:37:31] | sphery: | but it's a matter of writing code to send raw dbus commands about the screensaver |
| [00:37:35] | sphery: | then interpreting the output |
| [00:37:52] | sphery: | then keeping them up-to-date with changes to GNOME and (separate, distinct) changes to KDE |
| [00:38:06] | sphery: | and trying to make it work across all versions of the GNOME/KDE DBus screensaver APIs |
| [00:38:10] | sphery: | and ... |
| [00:38:26] | sphery: | after all, xdg-screensaver just makes /too/ much sense for a DE to support it |
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| [01:03:47] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [01:03:52] | [R]: | <a class="large_tab" id="iesucksballsyetagain"></a> |
| [01:03:57] | [R]: | i'm looking at the source for southparkstudios |
| [01:04:05] | [R]: | i should do taht at my work |
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| [01:10:00] | gizmobay: | Does anyone know if muting livetv is broken in the lastest .23-fixes from SVN? |
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| [01:12:23] | wagnerrp: | should be working fine |
| [01:15:45] | gizmobay: | hmm wonder what's wrong with mine. When I run with -v audio I see this in the logs mixer unable to find control Master 1 |
| [01:16:05] | gizmobay: | I can control my volume. |
| [01:16:05] | wagnerrp: | digital audio? |
| [01:16:09] | gizmobay: | analog |
| [01:16:20] | wagnerrp: | then you likely have your mixer controls set up wrong |
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| [01:20:13] | sphery: | the unable to find control is unimportant |
| [01:20:40] | sphery: | it's only important if you have your system configured with Mixer controls: Master |
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| [01:22:26] | gizmobay: | I bought a new MB and it has a total of three connectors on the audio part whereas my other one had 3 total (mic, speakers, audio in). |
| [01:22:44] | gizmobay: | sorry new one has 6 not three |
| [01:23:29] | gizmobay: | I have my speakers connected through the speakers out on the back. |
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| [01:29:22] | gizmobay: | I changed my mixer device to software and now it works |
| [01:29:37] | sphery: | speakers on the green plug? |
| [01:30:37] | sphery: | if your new mobo has no PCM and no Master control (versus just no Master), you can't do internal volume control, except with software mixer |
| [01:30:53] | sphery: | you'd have to make a PCM or Master control for it to work |
| [01:31:02] | gizmobay: | yes speakers on green plug |
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| [01:31:20] | sphery: | (which would be putting a softvol in ALSA versus in MythTV, so no benefit to that approach when looking only at MythTV) |
| [01:31:23] | gizmobay: | but I was able to change volume just couldn't mute |
| [01:31:48] | sphery: | and you have it set to Mixer controls: PCM |
| [01:32:23] | gizmobay: | Master was what it was set to. I also tried PCM. |
| [01:32:37] | sphery: | if you have no Master control, it can't be Master |
| [01:32:43] | sphery: | (and work) |
| [01:32:55] | sphery: | same applies for PCM |
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| [01:33:22] | gizmobay: | if I had no master control does this mean I won't be able to change the volume? |
| [01:33:43] | sphery: | no, if you have no master /and/ you have no PCM, you can't change the volume without software volume |
| [01:33:50] | sphery: | if you have one or the other, you're good |
| [01:33:57] | sphery: | and can make it work with hardware |
| [01:34:20] | gizmobay: | I was able to change the volume with it set to Master, I just couldn't mute. |
| [01:35:14] | sphery: | right, because it was falling back to some "just do whatever I can" code |
| [01:35:42] | sphery: | you shouldn't have it set to Mixer controls: Master if you have no master |
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| [01:36:47] | gizmobay: | How can I tell if I have a master? aplay -L? |
| [01:39:56] | gizmobay: | amixer get Master? |
| [01:41:52] | gizmobay: | It says playback channels Mono |
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| [01:43:06] | gizmobay: | Simple mixer control 'Master',0 |
| [01:43:07] | gizmobay: | Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum |
| [01:43:07] | gizmobay: | Playback channels: Mono |
| [01:43:07] | gizmobay: | Limits: Playback 0 – 31 |
| [01:43:07] | gizmobay: | Mono: Playback 14 [45%] [-25.50dB] [on] |
| [01:43:53] | sphery: | alsamixer |
| [01:44:00] | sphery: | scroll 'til you see Master, PCM, etc. |
| [01:44:46] | gizmobay: | okay |
| [01:44:47] | sphery: | the master 1 just means the 2nd channel on master |
| [01:44:52] | sphery: | so you have a master, but it's mono |
| [01:44:55] | sphery: | which is what you found |
| [01:45:10] | sphery: | whether master can be used to mute others, though, is dependent on sound card wiring |
| [01:45:20] | sphery: | you can always mute pcm by muting pcm |
| [01:45:27] | sphery: | thus, change to Mixer controls: PCM |
| [01:45:31] | sphery: | assuming you have a PCM control |
| [01:47:11] | gizmobay: | I have both Master and PCM |
| [01:47:25] | sphery: | perfect, then set it up as mixer controls pcm and it should work |
| [01:48:44] | [R]: | wagnerrp: BLAH... fuse-python requires gcc |
| [01:49:06] | wagnerrp: | to compile, yes |
| [01:49:46] | [R]: | im gonna try to compile it on my host with my xcompiler |
| [01:51:26] | gizmobay: | It doesn't work when set to PCM no mute or volume control. Set to Master means volume control no mute, set to software means I can control mute and volume. |
| [01:53:09] | sphery: | are you using Pulse? |
| [01:53:19] | gizmobay: | no pulse |
| [01:53:37] | sphery: | well, I'm not sure what's happening |
| [01:53:43] | sphery: | it should work with proper config |
| [01:54:16] | sphery: | not sure why it's not working with PCM |
| [01:56:06] | high-rez: | So I have a DVD that allows me to play audio only segments from its menu (not sure if they're 'dvd audio'). When I try to play the music, the plugin is freaking out. |
| [02:01:07] | gizmobay: | With master I can't take volume all the way down to zero as I still hear the volume. |
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| [02:08:18] | [R]: | wagnerrp: blarg... i can't use the hello.py for fuse |
| [02:09:00] | [R]: | wagnerrp: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/WSF75S8C |
| [02:09:35] | k-man: | i'm setting up evilwm as my window manager, should I "exec" a program so i can quit the wm if i need to? or is it just not necessary? |
| [02:09:47] | [R]: | k-man: huh? |
| [02:10:40] | k-man: | the recommended way of running evilwm, is in .xinitrc to exec clock or something, so you can kill the clock to quit evilwm |
| [02:11:45] | [R]: | ok... |
| [02:13:08] | knightr: | Beirdo, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26866 |
| [02:13:24] | knightr: | skd5aner, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26866 |
| [02:14:31] | wagnerrp: | k-man: 'mythfrontend' would be that program |
| [02:14:37] | knightr: | GreyFoxx, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26866 |
| [02:14:41] | k-man: | wagnerrp: or maybe mythwelcome |
| [02:14:44] | wagnerrp: | you kill mythfrontend, and it takes down the X server and evilwm |
| [02:14:52] | k-man: | but i'm not sure i want X or the wm to quit if i quit the fe |
| [02:15:07] | wagnerrp: | this is a dedicated frontend? |
| [02:15:16] | k-man: | yes |
| [02:15:48] | sphery: | could have it run a program that polls the status of your mood ring |
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| [02:16:12] | wagnerrp: | k-man: why would you ever want to quit the frontend, on a dedicated frontend? |
| [02:16:29] | k-man: | wagnerrp: in case something is broken and i need to fix it |
| [02:16:47] | k-man: | wagnerrp: wich i grant is very rare |
| [02:17:04] | wagnerrp: | so you fix it, close the frontend, and X and the frontend gets automatically respawned |
| [02:17:19] | wagnerrp: | if you mean fixing something on a backend |
| [02:17:30] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will happily sit and wait for the frontend to become available again |
| [02:17:32] | k-man: | no – a more generic fix it |
| [02:18:20] | k-man: | its like those scripts to make x start automaticaly when you log in – they are dangerous imho as few of them include any kind of fail safe against X not starting, so you end up in this look of X trying to start and failing |
| [02:18:50] | wagnerrp: | k-man: got an example of such a script? |
| [02:19:50] | k-man: | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=16348 as an example |
| [02:20:22] | wagnerrp: | yes, that script is doing it wrong |
| [02:20:41] | wagnerrp: | get rid of the while loop, and just do 'startx' |
| [02:21:16] | sphery: | then X only restarts if you log out |
| [02:21:38] | wagnerrp: | of course you will automatically logout as soon as X terminates |
| [02:21:46] | wagnerrp: | resulting in a start/fail loop |
| [02:21:56] | sphery: | assuming you run a DM |
| [02:21:58] | wagnerrp: | which will be terminated by your terminal manager according to your span limiter |
| [02:22:03] | wagnerrp: | *spawn |
| [02:22:37] | wagnerrp: | loop too many times in too short a time, and the loop will automatically be exited |
| [02:23:21] | sphery: | and if not using a DM, you can always limit it in the script yourself |
| [02:23:27] | sphery: | (in the loop) |
| [02:24:09] | wagnerrp: | were branchin! WERE BRANCHIN! |
| [02:26:48] | k-man: | wagnerrp: so how would you do it? |
| [02:27:15] | wagnerrp: | follow those directions |
| [02:27:19] | wagnerrp: | but omit the 'while' loop |
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| [02:29:39] | wagnerrp: | k-man: oh, and put a 'logout' in there after 'startx' |
| [02:29:52] | wagnerrp: | basically, it will log in, run X |
| [02:30:02] | wagnerrp: | if X terminates for whatever reason, it will log back out |
| [02:30:10] | k-man: | ah, thats a good way |
| [02:30:12] | wagnerrp: | and the terminal manager will automatically log back in |
| [02:30:35] | wagnerrp: | if the terminal manager runs the same command too many times, it gives up |
| [02:30:52] | sphery: | ah, that will work with the logout |
| [02:30:55] | k-man: | i also put in a test for a file, if file is there, don't startx, as a fail safe |
| [02:31:06] | wagnerrp: | meaning if X itself is failing, youll hit the limit within a few seconds |
| [02:31:11] | [R]: | wagnerrp: SAWEET... i got the example python fuse working |
| [02:31:26] | wagnerrp: | if the frontend is failing, and X is shutting down normally, youre looking at a few tens of seconds before you hit the limiter |
| [02:34:33] | k-man: | wagnerrp: do you use the rungetty thing for auto login? |
| [02:34:59] | wagnerrp: | actually, i just use the stock mingetty |
| [02:35:12] | wagnerrp: | not sure what the difference with rungetty is |
| [02:35:16] | k-man: | oh, but the same idea, auto login from inittab |
| [02:35:36] | k-man: | does standard mingetty have an auto login option? |
| [02:36:13] | wagnerrp: | c8:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin mythtv tty8 |
| [02:37:33] | k-man: | wagnerrp: i seem to recall that many years ago, the standard getty program installed with debian did not have an auto login feature, hence people chose to use rungetty |
| [02:37:41] | k-man: | i suspect it might be a holderver from that |
| [02:39:20] | wagnerrp: | rungetty does seem to be debian specific |
| [02:40:20] | k-man: | well, i remember when i first installed mythtv encountering this problem and the default debian option could not auto login |
| [02:40:30] | k-man: | that would have been at least 5 years ago i think |
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| [02:42:10] | sphery: | ttbomk, getty, agetty, and mingetty don't have any kind of autologin support, do they? |
| [02:42:35] | wagnerrp: | im using mingetty for autologin, as per the line pasted above |
| [02:43:15] | k-man: | is mingetty the standard in debian these days? |
| [02:43:50] | wagnerrp: | mingetty is one of the aged gettys from the mid '90s |
| [02:44:25] | wagnerrp: | my man page is dated Apr '96 |
| [02:44:31] | wagnerrp: | oddly enough, it seems to come from debian |
| [02:44:39] | sphery: | Hmm. I use agetty, and I'm pretyt sure it's got no autologin |
| [02:45:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, all of my login shells are agetty |
| [02:46:01] | sphery: | are you sure the autologin isn't a distro-applied patch? |
| [02:46:22] | wagnerrp: | http://linux.die.net/man/8/mingetty |
| [02:46:38] | wagnerrp: | last option |
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| [02:48:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingetty/ |
| [02:48:19] | sphery: | download code |
| [02:48:28] | sphery: | $ ls\nCOPYING Makefile mingetty-0.9.4-autologin.patch mingetty.8 mingetty.c |
| [02:48:43] | wagnerrp: | ok, dated to 2003 |
| [02:48:52] | sphery: | so it's an additional patch--even if it's distributed with the package |
| [02:49:52] | wagnerrp: | nope, it exists in the code |
| [02:50:06] | wagnerrp: | not sure why the patch is distributed |
| [02:50:51] | k-man: | i've been having trouble recently getting lirc from debian to work |
| [02:51:01] | k-man: | ended up compiling and installing from source |
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| [02:51:19] | sphery: | I just have agetty call a program that does a login -f (or, could easily just have agetty call login -f)--either using agetty's -l |
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| [02:51:50] | wagnerrp: | huh... the patch is not included in the code, yet there are references to 'autologin' in the code |
| [02:52:00] | sphery: | yeah, it's definitely a mess |
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| [02:52:13] | sphery: | this is the plight of mostly unmaintained software :) |
| [02:52:39] | sphery: | I hear that by using the tiny mingetty program instead of agetty, I can save literally bytes of RAM |
| [02:52:49] | sphery: | :) |
| [02:52:57] | wagnerrp: | touche |
| [02:53:00] | k-man: | sphery: wow! that's cool |
| [02:54:06] | sphery: | agetty seems to be 18580 bytes stripped and mingetty is 10652 bytes stripped |
| [02:54:29] | wagnerrp: | oohhhhh yeahhhhhh! |
| [02:55:57] | sphery: | ooh, forgot mgetty |
| [02:56:09] | sphery: | seems there's also a vgetty too |
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| [02:59:20] | wagnerrp: | and qingy, for those who still thought 800x600 was a worthwhile resolution in 2004 |
| [02:59:23] | wagnerrp: | 2003 |
| [02:59:33] | sphery: | getty and agetty both support -l login_program, mingetty has --loginprog |
| [02:59:44] | sphery: | vgetty seems to be voice command stuff... weird |
| [03:00:03] | sphery: | mgetty seems to be very closely tied to Hayes modems--don't know if it works with consoles |
| [03:00:20] | sphery: | hadn't looked at qingy, yet |
| [03:01:00] | sphery: | heh, "DirectFB to provide a fast, nice GUI without the overhead of the X Windows System" |
| [03:01:35] | sphery: | looks like it supports autologin, though |
| [03:01:43] | k-man: | hayes modems – now there is a blast from the past |
| [03:01:44] | wagnerrp: | score |
| [03:01:56] | k-man: | good old AT codes |
| [03:02:18] | sphery: | so the patch in mingetty distribution doesn't apply to current mingetty |
| [03:02:34] | wagnerrp: | appears not, no |
| [03:02:37] | sphery: | so I think the autologin /is/ in there--like you said--but has been modified since 0.9.4 |
| [03:03:37] | sphery: | is agetty in util-linux? |
| [03:04:48] | sphery: | yep |
| [03:06:28] | Elshar: | Hey, I've got a large collection of videos I use with mediatomb. I'd like to get a second box setup to use mythtv. Is it possible to just tell myth to use the first server as a file store and have it pull up my old videos? |
| [03:06:52] | wagnerrp: | the first file server is running mythbackend? |
| [03:07:00] | Elshar: | No |
| [03:07:12] | wagnerrp: | is anything running mythtv? |
| [03:07:34] | Elshar: | I do have a samba share setup so I can manage the files over the network though. |
| [03:07:43] | Elshar: | Well, the new machine would have front/backend installed on it. |
| [03:08:22] | wagnerrp: | for a single machine, network shares are doable |
| [03:08:27] | wagnerrp: | see MythVideo |
| [03:09:10] | wagnerrp: | for multiple machines running mythtv, you will want to have the videos on a single machine running mythbackend, and add the video paths to the Videos storage group |
| [03:09:36] | wagnerrp: | any frontends linked into that backend will have access to that content through myth's own network protocol |
| [03:09:43] | wagnerrp: | no network shares necessary |
| [03:09:56] | Elshar: | I could do that, I suppose. the file server is just fbsd 8, and the new box is installing mythbuntu :) |
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| [03:40:16] | FunkyELF: | any Gentoo users here? I'm having problems getting IVTV to work. Do I need to downgrade my kernel? |
| [03:41:44] | wagnerrp: | works fine here on 2.6.35.5 |
| [03:52:21] | FunkyELF: | wagnerrp, you on Gentoo? |
| [03:53:52] | FunkyELF: | what packages do I need to install? What package has the program to change channels? When I try to emerge ivtv it says I need to use a different kernel or driver |
| [03:56:19] | wagnerrp: | i use mythtv to change channels |
| [03:57:23] | FunkyELF: | wagnerrp, what hauppauge card you got? |
| [03:57:29] | wagnerrp: | 150 |
| [03:58:07] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you around? |
| [03:58:19] | kormoc: | yes |
| [03:58:37] | kormoc: | FunkyELF, ivtv is in the kernel itself now, so just setup your kernel with ivtv and install ivtv-utils |
| [03:58:41] | Beirdo: | gbee complained earlier about a foreign key constraint in the mytheather schema |
| [03:58:50] | Beirdo: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1965103 |
| [03:59:03] | wagnerrp: | or dont install ivtv-utils, you dont need it for mythtv |
| [03:59:19] | Beirdo: | currently, it's set to ON DELETE RESTRICT, and he wants ON DELETE CASCADE |
| [03:59:37] | Beirdo: | sound reasonable? |
| [03:59:42] | FunkyELF: | hmm, ivtv-utils pulls in sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.27-r2?? |
| [04:00:09] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre trying to install an old version of ivtv-utils |
| [04:00:12] | wagnerrp: | 1.3.0? |
| [04:00:32] | kormoc: | Beirdo, from a quick glance, aye |
| [04:00:47] | kormoc: | but that's a bit... convoluted key define there |
| [04:01:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, I don't get why it was done quite that way |
| [04:02:13] | wagnerrp: | FunkyELF: yeah, 1.3.0 was back from when ivtv still had a userspace component |
| [04:02:24] | wagnerrp: | with 1.4.0, ivtv is entirely in the kernel |
| [04:02:31] | wagnerrp: | and the userspace component is optional |
| [04:02:43] | FunkyELF: | this is what I get when I try to emerge ivtv-utils http://pastebin.ca/1965454 |
| [04:04:03] | wagnerrp: | unmask and install 1.4.0, or... dont |
| [04:04:05] | kormoc: | FunkyELF, as wagnerrp just said, that's too old of a version... |
| [04:04:08] | wagnerrp: | you dont need it to use mythtv |
| [04:04:42] | FunkyELF: | okay... but how do I test my card is working? I see no /dev/videox |
| [04:04:59] | wagnerrp: | then your card isnt working, because your kernel is not configured properly |
| [04:05:15] | FunkyELF: | I had an old working MythTv box, then it stopped booting up. Rather than try to resurect an old P4 system, I built a new one. I'm just not sure if the card is working or not |
| [04:05:30] | k-man: | do you guys run lirc from debian? or compiled from source? |
| [04:06:24] | FunkyELF: | hmm.... under device->multimedia->video capture I have the two Conexant drivers selected as modules. |
| [04:07:00] | wagnerrp: | which two would those be? conexant makes dozens of different chipsets |
| [04:07:02] | kormoc: | did you load the modules? What did dmesg say? |
| [04:09:32] | FunkyELF: | Conexant 2388x (bt878 successor) support |
| [04:09:38] | FunkyELF: | Conexant cx23416/cx23415 MPEG encoder/decoder support |
| [04:09:49] | FunkyELF: | those were the two. I got them loaded using modprobe |
| [04:10:29] | FunkyELF: | [187394.159591] ivtv: Start initialization, version 1.4.1 |
| [04:10:46] | FunkyELF: | followed immediately by "End initialization" |
| [04:41:51] | [R]: | crap |
| [04:41:55] | [R]: | i think my DB is crashed badly |
| [04:43:24] | fedorared: | Mine merely needed a repair |
| [04:43:53] | [R]: | hrm, that seemed to fix it |
| [04:43:56] | ** [R] smacks mysql ** | |
| [04:44:06] | [R]: | the wird thing is... i have a backup from mythconverg_backup from like an hour ago |
| [04:44:13] | [R]: | and i have NO CLUE how it got there |
| [04:44:19] | [R]: | maybe my cmputer is psychic |
| [04:45:00] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:45:06] | [R]: | i hae a cron job at 8:47 for weekly aparently |
| [04:45:07] | [R]: | how odd |
| [04:45:27] | wagnerrp: | you know... im just thinking about fringe |
| [04:45:35] | wagnerrp: | everything from the other side was supposed to shimmer |
| [04:45:40] | wagnerrp: | now she's on the other side |
| [04:45:45] | wagnerrp: | everything should be shimmering |
| [04:45:51] | wagnerrp: | how could she even function? |
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| [04:49:17] | Beirdo: | kormoc: so, I tried adding a new constraint, and now my dang table has two constraints on the same foreign key, one with delete cascade, update cascade, and one with just update cascade |
| [04:49:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [04:49:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:50:04] | Beirdo: | and to delete the foreign key constraints, you need to show create table to find the unique constraint name |
| [04:50:32] | Beirdo: | which is hardly an easy thing to do in dbcheck.cpp the way it's setup |
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| [04:51:52] | kormoc: | it should be named the same everywhere tho |
| [04:52:28] | Beirdo: | hmmm, I dunno that we want to depend on that |
| [04:52:39] | kormoc: | erm? |
| [04:52:47] | kormoc: | we do everywhere else we do index changes |
| [04:53:09] | Beirdo: | where else do we do constraints changes? |
| [04:53:29] | Beirdo: | I'm not talking the index name, you have to delete it by the constraint name |
| [04:53:42] | Beirdo: | or so says the docs :) |
| [04:54:31] | Beirdo: | and mysql may potentially assign those differently between versions, etc |
| [05:04:04] | kormoc: | constraint name/index name |
| [05:04:06] | kormoc: | same concept |
| [05:04:14] | kormoc: | and no, it really shouldn't |
| [05:06:59] | Beirdo: | sorry, no, you have to use the constraint name |
| [05:07:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:07:19] | Beirdo: | at least in 5.1.41 |
| [05:08:23] | kormoc: | yes |
| [05:08:26] | kormoc: | which is just a name |
| [05:08:29] | kormoc: | like the index, it's named |
| [05:08:45] | kormoc: | and if you don't give it one, it auto generates one based on rules that haven't changed |
| [05:08:46] | Beirdo: | which, as we didn't set it, we need to depend on defaults |
| [05:08:50] | kormoc: | ... |
| [05:08:51] | Beirdo: | K |
| [05:09:14] | Beirdo: | I'm just worried that somehow I'd blow away the wrong constraint |
| [05:09:37] | kormoc: | so create a new table as you want, migrate the data over and rename and drop the old one |
| [05:10:20] | Beirdo: | I think as it's only weather... :) I'll risk it |
| [05:12:43] | Beirdo: | not sure why he bothered in the first place, it's not like a join on those tables would ever be that bad |
| [05:13:08] | Beirdo: | and manually cleaning up on delete is just oh, so hard |
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| [05:44:25] | Beirdo: | kormoc: if you are interested: http://www.beirdo.ca/git/mythtv/commit/?h=upn . . . b583a92b5412 |
| [05:45:01] | wagnerrp: | lousy git... |
| [05:45:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:45:55] | Beirdo: | thank you, Linus for endless entertainment due to the name |
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| [05:57:05] | wagnerrp: | HHAHAHA |
| [05:57:21] | wagnerrp: | 'bacon flavored pudding, well that would surprise me' |
| [05:59:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that was great |
| [05:59:58] | sphery: | made me wonder if kormoc would be surprised |
| [06:00:12] | Beirdo: | or if he's made some :) |
| [06:00:22] | wagnerrp: | thats... quite an inheritance walter got there |
| [06:01:07] | sphery: | yes, nice |
| [06:02:08] | wagnerrp: | i dont know quite what i would do if i looked up to see 'hoboken new jersey' written in giant floating letters |
| [06:02:30] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure i would look as confused as this guy |
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| [06:09:28] | kormoc: | Mmm... Chocolate pudding with candied bacon bits |
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| [06:20:27] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.com/Pf98V5uR |
| [06:21:06] | rileyp: | Mythtv is very slow to start |
| [06:21:35] | kormoc: | is 192.168.1.10 the correct backend ip? |
| [06:21:51] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: look a bit lower |
| [06:22:01] | rileyp: | yes |
| [06:22:09] | kormoc: | that's a little odd |
| [06:22:35] | rileyp: | and its worked seamlessly for ages |
| [06:22:53] | wagnerrp: | why are you using a dummy recorder? |
| [06:23:11] | rileyp: | I did a db cleanse or whatever you call it.. |
| [06:23:20] | wagnerrp: | and somehow youre trying to connect to a backend with no ip |
| [06:23:24] | wagnerrp: | cleanse? |
| [06:23:30] | rileyp: | I dont even know what a dummy recrder is |
| [06:23:37] | wagnerrp: | youre apparently using one |
| [06:24:12] | rileyp: | i have 4 dvb tuner cards and 3 virtual tuners on each |
| [06:24:34] | kormoc: | tell us more about those clense that you did? |
| [06:24:51] | rileyp: | not cleanse whats the word mateneiceor something soryr my brain isnt in gear yet |
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| [06:25:06] | kormoc: | what did you do? |
| [06:25:10] | rileyp: | hang on Ill google |
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| [06:25:42] | kormoc: | our official stance is there's no enduser required database maintenance unless mysql crashes or similar |
| [06:26:15] | ** sphery guesses it's the web page he hates ** | |
| [06:26:22] | rileyp: | Optimize the Database sorry |
| [06:26:27] | sphery: | the old, out-of-date, one |
| [06:26:59] | sphery: | if by that you mean anything other than optimize_mythdb.pl, it was probably a bad idea |
| [06:27:42] | rileyp: | no ive only used mythweb to optimze the db and the optimize_mythdb,pl |
| [06:28:06] | sphery: | so this cleans was clicking the optimize database button in MythWeb? |
| [06:28:08] | sphery: | if so, that's fine |
| [06:28:13] | rileyp: | yes |
| [06:28:43] | sphery: | did you just upgrade to Mythbuntu 10.04? |
| [06:29:05] | rileyp: | No it ws clean install |
| [06:29:18] | sphery: | but just installed it |
| [06:29:25] | sphery: | and brought over a database from another system? |
| [06:29:39] | rileyp: | yes thats correct |
| [06:29:48] | sphery: | and how did you bring over th eold database |
| [06:30:28] | rileyp: | ill find exact code |
| [06:33:55] | rileyp: | mysqldump -u mythtv -p -t mythconverg record recorded \ |
| [06:33:55] | rileyp: | oldrecorded recordedprogram recordedrating \ |
| [06:33:55] | rileyp: | recordedmarkup recordedseek > recordings.sql |
| [06:34:04] | rileyp: | to collect db from old system |
| [06:34:08] | sphery: | yeah, that's probably from the web page I hate |
| [06:34:20] | sphery: | there's absolutely no reason to do that |
| [06:34:32] | sphery: | a full restore of the database is always the best approach |
| [06:34:39] | rileyp: | http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html |
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| [06:34:48] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [06:34:55] | sphery: | if you do a partial restore, the best way is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ading_MythTV |
| [06:34:56] | wagnerrp: | you still have the old database? |
| [06:35:03] | rileyp: | I love that site it saved my ass and you guys hate it oooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! |
| [06:35:22] | wagnerrp: | rileyp: sure seems to be doing you well now |
| [06:35:26] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [06:35:27] | kormoc: | when they give you instructions that are wrong... |
| [06:35:29] | sphery: | at which point you realize that you don't want a partial restore, so you http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database |
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| [06:35:52] | sphery: | yes! That /is/ the page I hate |
| [06:36:04] | sphery: | Where's Joe Garelli when you need to take something off the Internet. |
| [06:36:22] | smmagic: | o_o not sure if you guys know but the mailing list archive link is broken |
| [06:36:25] | kormoc: | If the url does not fit, you must acquit! |
| [06:36:39] | wagnerrp: | chewbacca |
| [06:36:58] | wagnerrp: | smmagic: what link? |
| [06:37:20] | smmagic: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/ |
| [06:37:37] | kormoc: | smmagic, that's not our mailing list |
| [06:37:47] | sphery: | rileyp: anyway, my recommendation is to take the full database backup and restore it |
| [06:37:54] | kormoc: | nor our mailing list web archive |
| [06:37:57] | wagnerrp: | where do you see that link? |
| [06:38:04] | sphery: | rileyp: for greatest ease, make sure the new host uses the same host name and IP address |
| [06:38:04] | smmagic: | right in the topic o_o |
| [06:38:18] | wagnerrp: | not the topic i see |
| [06:38:21] | sphery: | rileyp: if you want to change host name or IP address, let me know and I'll give you additional instructions |
| [06:38:26] | kormoc: | smmagic, not this channel |
| [06:38:27] | smmagic: | Starting to think this webclient has got some of the voodoo |
| [06:38:32] | rileyp: | well that method worked great for me numerous timesand I honestly thought that my problems with myth starting slower and live tv crashing coincided with a synaptic update but Im not really sure |
| [06:38:45] | smmagic: | oh right, its me failing to use an unfamiliar client |
| [06:38:48] | kormoc: | smmagic, http://www.mythtv.org/support/ <-- there's our mailing lists |
| [06:38:50] | smmagic: | it was the notice I got when I joined |
| [06:38:54] | smmagic: | sorry |
| [06:39:00] | kormoc: | smmagic, what client? |
| [06:39:02] | sphery: | rileyp: otherwise, simply performing a full restore of the original database and letting mythtv upgrade it to the current version will a) work properly, and b) leave far less room for breaking things |
| [06:39:06] | rileyp: | sphery I have kept machine name etc all the same |
| [06:39:16] | smmagic: | that standard phillip de tourney webchat-thingy D: |
| [06:39:18] | sphery: | rileyp: excellent, then a full restore will "just work" |
| [06:39:25] | smmagic: | but it was a notice I received |
| [06:39:33] | kormoc: | smmagic, it's not one we setup |
| [06:40:00] | rileyp: | so I do a backup of my existing system and then a restore ? |
| [06:40:01] | sphery: | rileyp: also, I /highly/ recommend you upgrade your mythbuntu to current 0.23-fixes using http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds (make sure you select 0.23, and not 0.24/trunk/development/unstable) |
| [06:40:03] | smmagic: | its all good, my failure to use webchat |
| [06:40:05] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: my server was down last week for a couple hours, and i was using the java client |
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| [06:40:15] | smmagic: | just can't be bothered going onto desktop to use xchat >_> |
| [06:40:16] | wagnerrp: | it says that when you log into this channel |
| [06:40:20] | kormoc: | woah! |
| [06:40:21] | wagnerrp: | first time ive ever seen it |
| [06:40:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:40:25] | kormoc: | that's not right at all |
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| [06:40:37] | Beirdo: | kormoc: maybe the chanserv one? |
| [06:40:43] | smmagic: | its from chanserv |
| [06:40:44] | kormoc: | it is the chanserv one |
| [06:41:04] | smmagic: | anyway, mind if I ask a quick question about a dvb-t tuner for a new build I'm going to do? |
| [06:41:26] | [R]: | i can't believe TBS is putting ads in the sidebars |
| [06:41:44] | sphery: | only questions people usually mind others asking is whether they can ask a question |
| [06:41:54] | smmagic: | I know, I hate it too |
| [06:42:04] | smmagic: | but I feel so rude if I don't lol =\ |
| [06:42:28] | sphery: | (and, of course, questions about things that are forbidden by channel rules-- http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Channel_FAQ_.2F_Rules) |
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| [06:42:44] | rileyp: | sphery, Im on 0.23 fixes on my front end |
| [06:43:00] | sphery: | [R]: sidebars = pillars in a pillar-boxed video? |
| [06:43:07] | [R]: | sphery: yes |
| [06:43:20] | sphery: | [R]: that's just plain obnoxious |
| [06:43:28] | [R]: | sphery: CONAN in big gray letters |
| [06:43:37] | [R]: | DARK gray |
| [06:43:39] | rileyp: | My BE might be on 0.23 is this possible? |
| [06:43:50] | [R]: | not like the light gray they usually use on FOX |
| [06:43:52] | sphery: | [R]: we need a Readability ( http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/ ) for those shows |
| [06:44:16] | [R]: | sphery: ? |
| [06:44:40] | smmagic: | ah k, well anyway, I've been looking at possible usb dvb-t tv tuners and was wondering if http://tinyurl.com/2d3t5cp would be suitable to use with myth, my friend also mentioned something about a CI module for encrypted channels but I'm not sure if its important since I live in australia? |
| [06:44:46] | sphery: | rileyp: generally 0.xx versions will work well enough together, but there are some qualifications |
| [06:45:01] | sphery: | rileyp: in the case of 0.23, there exist a 0.23 and 0.23.1, which are non-compatible |
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| [06:45:25] | [R]: | smmagic: the linuxtv website has all the devices that owrk in linux |
| [06:45:34] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o xris | |
| [06:45:52] | smmagic: | ok, is the CI module working under linux imporant for me? |
| [06:45:55] | sphery: | rileyp: so a 0.23 system should work with 0.23-fixes up through the point that 0.23.1 (the non-compatible change) was incorporated, and 0.23.1 will work with 0.23-fixes from the point of the 0.23.1 change |
| [06:46:00] | [R]: | smmagic: do you have a CAM? |
| [06:46:12] | smmagic: | CAM? like a camera? o_o |
| [06:46:19] | wagnerrp: | conditional access module |
| [06:46:21] | sphery: | rileyp: though, your best bet is to use the same branch, version, and revision on all systems--and that's the only "supported" configuration |
| [06:46:23] | [R]: | than no you dont, and CI isn't imp-ortant |
| [06:46:30] | wagnerrp: | its a PCMCIA-looking card that you slot into your tuner card |
| [06:46:32] | smmagic: | I hope I don't :x |
| [06:46:45] | wagnerrp: | decrypts content and passes it unencrypted to mythtv |
| [06:46:49] | [R]: | wagnerrp: s/slot/slide/... that's what she said |
| [06:46:59] | smmagic: | well to be honest this is the first time I've ever looked into TV on a pc system |
| [06:47:03] | sphery: | [R]: the point of Readability is to redraw the page--after first load--without all the distracting layout/ads/... to improve its, er, Readability |
| [06:47:12] | rileyp: | wagnerp what is a dummy tuner and how did I get one? |
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| [06:47:19] | wagnerrp: | not sure |
| [06:47:23] | sphery: | [R]: so we need something to block out the distracting layout/ads/... on those TBS shows |
| [06:47:28] | sphery: | with the ads on the side |
| [06:47:37] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, you around? |
| [06:47:47] | rileyp: | sphery Im make sure my BE is on 0.23 fixes and do a full backup and restore as per your link above |
| [06:47:48] | sphery: | rileyp: you got it from the approach you used to restore your database |
| [06:48:15] | sphery: | rileyp: the full restore should get you much closer to a working system |
| [06:48:20] | sphery: | assuming your previous system worked |
| [06:48:29] | rileyp: | yes it did |
| [06:48:46] | sphery: | rileyp: and it needs to be a full backup of the previous system's database--not the one on your current system that's not properly configured |
| [06:48:57] | sphery: | i.e. the old, not upgraded system's backend |
| [06:49:37] | rileyp: | oh ok not sure if I still have it ....maybe |
| [06:50:34] | sphery: | rileyp: if you don't, you're going to have to reconfigure everything as if you're starting over |
| [06:50:43] | sphery: | not to mention unconfiguring all the broken config that's in there |
| [06:50:48] | [R]: | how odd |
| [06:50:48] | rileyp: | Could I not just start a new db complete and dump in the recordings.sql and |
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| [06:50:54] | [R]: | there is a rumbling coming from my subwoofer |
| [06:50:57] | smmagic: | sorry about that |
| [06:50:58] | rileyp: | I know id have to redo my tuners etc |
| [06:51:00] | sphery: | no, that's what you attempted to do |
| [06:51:05] | sphery: | and that's what broke things |
| [06:51:12] | smmagic: | Accidently moved tab away, couldn't reconnect, so gave up and came onto desktop |
| [06:51:15] | sphery: | no, reconfigure everything means your entire system |
| [06:51:18] | sphery: | all backends |
| [06:51:19] | sphery: | all frontends |
| [06:51:24] | sphery: | all settings for all backends and frontends |
| [06:51:37] | sphery: | all video sources, capture cards, input connections, channels |
| [06:51:48] | sphery: | everything |
| [06:51:55] | rileyp: | I can live with that as long I can keep my recordings |
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| [06:52:19] | smmagic: | so the CI module is not an issue for me? |
| [06:52:36] | wagnerrp: | you are planning on recording DVB-T? |
| [06:52:50] | smmagic: | me? yes |
| [06:52:50] | sphery: | i.e. the approach that web page says to use is throwing away the baby, the bathwater, the bathtub, the water-processing plant, the lake from which the water-processing plant draws water, the aquifir that feeds the lake, the clouds that make the rain, |
| [06:53:04] | wagnerrp: | are your local broadcasters using encryption? |
| [06:53:18] | sphery: | it is a "let's make things hard with no possibility of benefit" |
| [06:53:33] | sphery: | Joe Garelli, save us! |
| [06:53:38] | smmagic: | I can't say wagnerrp, Ill google it I suppose |
| [06:54:02] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard of australian broadcasters doing so |
| [06:54:07] | sphery: | rileyp: if you have to start your database over, you should keep your recordings by dumping them into MythVideo |
| [06:54:37] | smmagic: | I'd hope not, but I'm not quite sure what to search for |
| [06:54:39] | sphery: | rileyp: the best bet is to find the original full backup of your database |
| [06:54:49] | wagnerrp: | smmagic: do you have a digital tv? |
| [06:54:56] | smmagic: | Digital/HD yes |
| [06:55:08] | wagnerrp: | and your tv can pick up the local broadcasters? |
| [06:55:14] | smmagic: | everyone yes |
| [06:55:19] | ** sphery wonders why mythtv users think that MythTV doesn't clean up after itself in the database ** | |
| [06:55:38] | [R]: | myth is a naughty little girl |
| [06:55:40] | sphery: | someone should tell Beirdo he's wasting his time making MythWeather clean up after itself |
| [06:55:42] | [R]: | :P |
| [06:55:45] | wagnerrp: | then considering you dont know what a CI card is, you obviously dont have one in your tv, and a tuner card should have all the capabilities of your tv |
| [06:55:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:56:19] | smmagic: | alright sweet, is there any usb dongle you reccommend/have tested for yourself? |
| [06:56:43] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [06:56:44] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [06:57:22] | sphery: | we need to get kormoc's SEO-fu involved in burying http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html |
| [06:57:31] | smmagic: | alright thanks |
| [06:57:42] | smmagic: | Looks like I'm set |
| [06:57:56] | smmagic: | Thanks again :p |
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| [07:05:47] | rileyp: | sphery so you suggest I run mythrename ummm err mythlink and then add the mythlink folder to videos |
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| [07:08:53] | sphery: | you'll want the actual videos in mythvideo directories/Videos Storage Group directories |
| [07:09:26] | rileyp: | sphery, My old db is from 3 months ago or more so only a few of the recordings will be from the old system. since the upgrade Ive added new tv cahnnel added channel icons and mrecorded about a gig of tv which will all only be in my current operational but sluggish db |
| [07:10:04] | rileyp: | Yes ok so I run mythlink to create names for them and put them in the video folder |
| [07:10:14] | sphery: | so you've been running this setup for a few months? |
| [07:10:25] | sphery: | if so, you should probably just stick with it |
| [07:10:58] | sphery: | for slowness, you should probably try upgrading to current 0.23-fixes with auto-builds |
| [07:10:59] | rileyp: | I have reacordings dating back to march this year |
| [07:11:21] | sphery: | oh, a gig |
| [07:11:26] | sphery: | how many recordings is that? |
| [07:11:29] | rileyp: | Ill check my BE to ensure its on o.23 fixes |
| [07:11:47] | rileyp: | lots |
| [07:11:58] | sphery: | metric or Imperial? |
| [07:12:11] | wagnerrp: | about 8 minutes |
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| [07:12:58] | sphery: | anyway, I can't say how what the current state of your data is because the process you used to move it over may have corrupted things |
| [07:13:06] | sphery: | and required completely reconfiguring the system |
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| [07:13:36] | sphery: | it's possible to get things working, but it's a much more difficult project, now, because the current state of things is unknown |
| [07:14:07] | rileyp: | sphery 834 item in my recordings folder but half will be png images |
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| [07:14:48] | rileyp: | when I ran the mysql check it was all ok |
| [07:15:11] | sphery: | mysqlcheck only checks the state of mysql binary data files |
| [07:15:34] | sphery: | has nothing to do with the validity of the data within |
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| [07:16:35] | justinh: | isn't there some kind of legal precedent that can be used to make *myth*.* sites clean up their act? |
| [07:16:38] | sphery: | but as far as the specifics of why this new system is slow, I can't guess |
| [07:17:58] | Beirdo: | justinh: not that I know of (short of trademarks, which we don't have) |
| [07:18:17] | justinh: | how much does one cost? ;-) |
| [07:18:43] | Beirdo: | something to worry about later :) |
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| [07:20:16] | justinh: | really tempted to tweet all day with stupid whines about mythtv – but concentrate on ignoring the fact the problems aren't caused by mythtv itself. Oh wait plenty people are already doing that |
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| [07:21:15] | justinh: | "oh noes! got to upgrade my mythtv backend. only 40,000 packages to go!" |
| [07:21:39] | ** justinh wants to send ViolenceOverIP ** | |
| [07:22:59] | sphery: | justinh: any particular site you're thinking of? |
| [07:24:16] | justinh: | mythpvr.com, mythtvtalk.com, that UK one which was set up to sell ready-made hardware... |
| [07:24:21] | Beirdo: | twitter is full of twits |
| [07:24:22] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [07:24:24] | sphery: | yeah |
| [07:24:43] | sphery: | from mythpvr.com: Hi, I would like to contribute to your review of the MythTv Player. Since your review there were several improvements to this software. Configuration is now interactive, no need to edit a config file. |
| [07:24:49] | sphery: | just how old /is/ that site? |
| [07:25:02] | [R]: | rofl |
| [07:25:03] | Beirdo: | by the screenshots... quite |
| [07:25:04] | justinh: | and it's 'most popular' article is a 404 page now. heh |
| [07:25:10] | sphery: | of course, like *any* good site, it has nary a date on it |
| [07:25:15] | wagnerrp: | older than time itself |
| [07:25:29] | justinh: | meh. it's too easy to fake with php anyway ;) |
| [07:25:30] | Beirdo: | and no contact info either |
| [07:25:44] | Beirdo: | whois record created 2006-06–18 |
| [07:25:45] | justinh: | could be worth a trip to NY to speak to the guy |
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| [07:28:26] | sphery: | so I think the reason that all the users who don't know better than to know that "Migrate MythTV Recordings to a New Server" page is so wrong are going there is because they use the search terms "transfer mythtv recordings" or possibly even "migrate mythtv recordings" |
| [07:28:52] | sphery: | when there's no transferring or migration involved |
| [07:28:59] | sphery: | since it's the same system |
| [07:29:43] | justinh: | oh hell. man who emailed me from the dog training club website I run went *ballistic* yesterday cos he posted a question in the comments section of a blog page – and didn't receive a reply in under 10 minutes. not only that he was irate the comment was awaiting moderation. Sheesh. So I emailed him back very politely explaining how it all works.. just had a reply. Now he's even more pissed lol |
| [07:29:57] | sphery: | maybe I should make a very short, sweet page on the wiki called "Transfer MythTV Recordings" and/or "Migrate MythTV Recordings" and just say, full backup, same hostname, same IP address |
| [07:30:01] | sphery: | full restore |
| [07:30:19] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:30:23] | justinh: | sphery: not very often I've run into the mythpvr site. how did you find it? |
| [07:30:40] | sid3windr: | justinh: pastebin! pastebin! ;> |
| [07:30:40] | justinh: | there should be a law against putting 'how to' blog pages up too IMHO |
| [07:30:45] | Beirdo: | justinh: such people with aggressive dogs... is a scary concept |
| [07:30:47] | sphery: | /tons/ of users are coming here--after borking their DBs using that page--and trying to fix things |
| [07:31:20] | sphery: | justinh: really, though, how can you put out a service like that if you're not going to give readers instantaneous gratification--and responses |
| [07:31:36] | justinh: | they *think* they're helping the community.. but really they ain't helping anyone |
| [07:32:01] | sphery: | you should be able to get their messages 24/7 and respond instantly--I know this because I've seen the advertisement from the cell phone company |
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| [07:32:22] | justinh: | well, it was on MY advice the club opted not to have their home addresses & phone numbers anywhere on the site – they weren't prepared to get a disposable mobile phone or even a PO box number. So :-\ |
| [07:32:22] | Beirdo: | can you hear me now? |
| [07:32:40] | wagnerrp: | no? good |
| [07:33:16] | justinh: | I'll start hassling them to get a PO Box AND a pay as you go mobile phone. makes way more sense |
| [07:33:49] | justinh: | wonder how much a PO box costs over here |
| [07:34:35] | justinh: | £100 a year? man, that's such a no-brainer |
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| [07:46:50] | justinh: | sphery: in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/456299 you say callsign is used to identify the channel for 'this channel' rules – that being the case why is the chanid stored in the record table? |
| [07:47:20] | sphery: | chanid is used to identify the callsign that's used for this channel rules |
| [07:47:26] | wagnerrp: | the chanid is stored, but the scheduler uses the callsigned JOINd in |
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| [07:48:01] | wagnerrp: | arguably, it would be better to store the callsign |
| [07:48:07] | sphery: | it's a bit fragile when you replace your video sources and/or channels and/or channel IDs |
| [07:48:09] | justinh: | yeah but sometimes the chanid changes ;-) |
| [07:48:20] | sphery: | yep |
| [07:48:29] | sphery: | we'd have to store both chanid and callsign |
| [07:48:41] | sphery: | since the chanid is necessary to reference the actual program used to create the rule |
| [07:48:44] | justinh: | not that it *should* with the scanning improvements of late |
| [07:49:56] | justinh: | then again, there's no real case to deal with a channel going off air permanently either |
| [07:50:24] | sphery: | yeah |
| [07:50:30] | ** justinh wonders how often channels come & go elsewhere in the world. freeview in the UK seems to change lineups every few weeks ** | |
| [07:50:58] | sphery: | even just moving or switching TV service providers tends to wreak havoc |
| [07:51:12] | sphery: | I plan to eventually clean some of it up |
| [07:51:17] | sphery: | just haven't decided how best to do so |
| [07:52:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:52:58] | Beirdo: | via drop database? |
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| [07:54:01] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:54:37] | justinh: | reformat. it's the only way to be certain |
| [07:54:40] | Beirdo: | that's kinda how we do it now |
| [07:55:06] | justinh: | scratch that. use a completely new HDD. |
| [07:55:37] | Beirdo: | use an ole 20G drive instaead |
| [07:56:16] | justinh: | or an 8GB USB flash stick. flash is solid state, right? there you go. Solid state drive! |
| [07:58:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [08:03:56] | justinh: | "KnoppMyth is one of the easy ways to get started with MythTV. It's is really two products bundled into one". GAH. Products. It's SOFTWARE |
| [08:05:32] | justinh: | reminds me. whatever happened to mythtvnews.com? |
| [08:05:49] | justinh: | lol |
| [08:06:33] | justinh: | and "It can can hours, if not days to get the right version of each thing MythTV depends on all installed and working together.". can can hours? |
| [08:06:39] | justinh: | that must be tiring |
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| [08:18:53] | justinh: | anyway where is he getting DAYS from? Running gentoo on a 1Ghz Epia & emerging world? |
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| [09:35:07] | Peitolm: | justinh: doing everything by hand on a duron 700 |
| [09:36:03] | justinh: | my point is – modern distros on a modern system.. it no takey long time |
| [09:36:37] | ** Peitolm wonders if he's using slackware ** | |
| [09:37:05] | justinh: | well if you *want* things to take a long time, do it the long way round :) |
| [09:37:09] | Peitolm: | :) |
| [09:37:39] | justinh: | grrr @ our chairman. office inspection, moaning about all the 'junk'. That 'junk' is comprised of products we make |
| [09:37:42] | ** Peitolm notes his mythbox seems to have regained some of it's former stability, well, ivtv seems better ** | |
| [09:38:11] | justinh: | and if I ever find out who clutters the desks of people who've left, I'll bat them around the head |
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| [09:44:50] | rileyp: | Library API : 0.23.20100314–1 is on my BE Library API : 0.23.201000617–1 on my frontend is this normal |
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| [09:57:01] | rileyp: | If do a backup of my current system and then dump the db and then a full restore could this possibly fix any issues I'm having |
| [10:00:12] | rileyp: | with regard to myth starting very slow up to a minut to get to starting screen and live tv crashing |
| [10:01:41] | rileyp: | I think there is some um err crud in my database thanks to the way I have updated it in the past. |
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| [10:28:29] | justinh: | heh el reg has a nice article about DLNA today |
| [10:28:43] | justinh: | 3 pages to say it's a load of crap.. bit of a waste |
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| [11:15:24] | rileyp: | anyone there |
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| [11:41:38] | justinh: | RFE? WTH does RFE stand for? |
| [11:42:01] | justinh: | in the context of the feature request on the -dev list for a notification widget |
| [11:42:28] | justinh: | "please send to /dev/null" ? |
| [11:51:34] | justinh: | whoah. 7" LCD digital TV & picture frame £36.95 at CPC |
| [11:51:53] | justinh: | has AV inputs too. hmmm. kitchen TV? |
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| [12:03:55] | justinh: | oo they do a 4U ATX rack mounted case now too. £79 exc |
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| [12:15:02] | GreyFoxx: | Justin: Request For Enhancement |
| [12:15:09] | GreyFoxx: | IE , feature request |
| [12:15:34] | justinh: | ah |
| [12:15:34] | Peitolm: | 80 quid for a rack mount 4U case? |
| [12:15:44] | justinh: | Peitolm: yup, exc vat mind |
| [12:15:56] | justinh: | cheapest I've ever seen though |
| [12:16:13] | Peitolm: | really, try farnell |
| [12:16:19] | Peitolm: | I'm sure I've seen them cheaper |
| [12:16:46] | justinh: | farnell own cpc so maybe not |
| [12:17:00] | Peitolm: | doh, yeah, my bad |
| [12:17:13] | Peitolm: | i may have been thinking of maplin |
| [12:17:36] | justinh: | I'd rather eat my own body parts than shop at Maplin |
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| [12:18:18] | Peitolm: | justinh: aria do one for 68 inc, no PSU |
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| [12:18:26] | justinh: | the place where I saw a member of staff test a fuse for a customer by reading the "250V" from the fuse & put a DVM on the volts range across it. On seeing 0V across it, he then announced "yeah it must be a dud, no voltage" |
| [12:19:00] | justinh: | duh. I always forget aria even though it's my new preferred vendor |
| [12:19:06] | Peitolm: | or try www.xcase.co.uk |
| [12:19:40] | Peitolm: | shiny big, multi-drive rackmount cases |
| [12:20:10] | justinh: | anyway I've not gone looking for rackmount cases for ages.. I thought cpc's was a reasonable price |
| [12:20:44] | Peitolm: | it doesn't sound too expensive, I normally just get them from work, and eventually sell them on for a couple of quid |
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| [12:37:57] | justinh: | ROFLMAO @ the guy looking for a HD capture device to capture DVDs |
| [12:41:02] | justinh: | "I saw a sign outside a church which read: "C H – R C H... There's only one thing missing." I'm not sure "CHPROOFRCH" is even a word" |
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| [13:04:27] | rileyp: | I have dumped my db but am having trouble getting a new one up and running |
| [13:05:04] | rileyp: | DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; mysql sems to hang after this command |
| [13:08:57] | tank-man: | do you see your hdd light going off or cpu usage going on? |
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| [13:24:38] | justinh: | yeah. is the computer plugged in? |
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| [13:43:45] | dean_: | CHPROOFRCH <--- LOL! |
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| [13:59:51] | gmspence_: | hi guys just did a clean install of maverick on my system – problem being i can't get channel scan to work on the backend. Using a silicon-dust HDhomerun box (DVB-t) Gets to channel scan and the mythtv-setup crashes. Any suggestions? |
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| [14:01:09] | justinh: | maverick? |
| [14:01:30] | justinh: | ahh stupidbuntu. with %VERSION of MythTV presumably |
| [14:01:39] | gmspence_: | 0.23 |
| [14:01:47] | justinh: | where %VERSION is some made up number |
| [14:02:01] | sid3windr: | maverick doormat |
| [14:02:10] | gmspence_: | maverick meerkat :) |
| [14:02:17] | justinh: | is this 10.04 or the 10.10 thing? |
| [14:02:34] | gmspence_: | 10.10 |
| [14:02:34] | justinh: | compare the meerkat.. what's the point? all meerkats suck |
| [14:02:46] | justinh: | ah so it might even be proper 0.23 then |
| [14:02:50] | gmspence_: | yup |
| [14:03:14] | justinh: | as in a released version, not what was *going* to be 0.23 but for bug fixes which made it to the final version but not into ubuntu packages |
| [14:03:59] | justinh: | so then |
| [14:04:06] | justinh: | 1. does the tuner actually work outside of mythtv? |
| [14:04:42] | gmspence_: | yeah works fine – had a stream working in vlc |
| [14:04:43] | justinh: | 2. see anything output in the terminal you run mythtv-setup from before or when it falls over? |
| [14:04:53] | gmspence_: | nope – just crashes and then asks to run mythfilldatabase |
| [14:05:14] | gmspence_: | it scans and find channels...almost like it craps out right before the dialogue box asking if u want to save/insert what was found |
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| [14:06:28] | justinh: | sounds like you need to grab a debug build of mythtv – or else build one yourself & get a backtrace |
| [14:08:42] | gmspence_: | hmm |
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| [14:10:08] | justinh: | is the wiki talking bull about only being able to run one mythtranscode process at a time? |
| [14:11:29] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [14:11:35] | justinh: | thought so |
| [14:11:51] | wagnerrp: | the default jobqueue setting it to only run one job per host at a time |
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| [14:14:21] | justinh: | "mythtranscode does not yet handle simultaneous jobs on the same backend, at least on AMD64 X2 dual core processors. " |
| [14:14:22] | wagnerrp: | got a link to the fallacious information? |
| [14:14:29] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode |
| [14:16:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont see it |
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| [14:16:13] | wagnerrp: | oh, there it is |
| [14:16:17] | justinh: | troubleshooting table |
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| [14:17:33] | gmspence_: | dmesg says mythtv-setup.re[1978]: segfault at b18e5f4c ip 0163f052 sp b18e5f50 error 6 in libQtCore.so.4.7.0[158d000+290000] |
| [14:17:38] | gmspence_: | what the hell tha tmean? |
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| [14:17:54] | justinh: | means mythtv-setup segfaulted |
| [14:18:03] | justinh: | you definitely need to run that under a debugger |
| [14:18:18] | justinh: | qt4.7 ? :-O |
| [14:19:11] | gmspence_: | ?? |
| [14:19:41] | justinh: | ubunauts shipping qt 4.7 already |
| [14:20:32] | gmspence_: | maybe change the rendering to opengl then? |
| [14:21:40] | justinh: | that likely won't change much. |
| [14:21:52] | justinh: | mythtv uses qt pretty much throughout not just in the UI |
| [14:21:57] | gmspence_: | k |
| [14:23:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont see any way the current code could return a '139' |
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| [14:29:54] | justinh: | yeah none of those add up |
| [14:30:23] | wagnerrp: | and as hex, the codes dont go up that high |
| [14:32:18] | justinh: | it's not as if that stuff has changed much lately either |
| [14:35:22] | justinh: | heheheh somebody still claiming they're seeing that number |
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| [14:38:55] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [14:39:32] | justinh: | "well I'd like to believe that's true; unfortunately error 139, which is what I've been getting, does exist" |
| [14:39:41] | wagnerrp: | where? |
| [14:40:32] | justinh: | on twitter – which I'm now realising ain't a good medium for helping random folks out |
| [14:40:50] | wagnerrp: | christ, someone has been following the wiki edits and twittering about them? |
| [14:41:03] | justinh: | guy moaned about mythtv config being shipped borked because of $wikilink |
| [14:41:31] | wagnerrp: | way to uselessly rant, rather than foster discussion |
| [14:41:48] | justinh: | yeah so I replied to that in kind.. ended up in a dialogue |
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| [14:43:02] | wagnerrp: | any way to make sense of a twitter discussion, im only seeing the one side of it |
| [14:45:21] | justinh: | I just tried a search.. and no |
| [14:45:49] | justinh: | anyway he says he's getting this in his backend log: "transcode: Transcode Errored: Late Show With David Letterman: Medium Quality (exit status 139, job status was "Running")" |
| [14:46:14] | justinh: | but you're right – my interpretation of the source is such that 139 shouldn't be possible too |
| [14:46:45] | justinh: | I mean as low as it gets is 244 minus 13 == 230 innit |
| [14:47:13] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [14:48:28] | justinh: | man, this guy is SMARMY |
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| [14:48:56] | justinh: | sod it. file under BLOCKED |
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| [14:49:42] | justinh: | is this some sort of ubuntu-ism? |
| [14:49:54] | justinh: | seems to be loads of *buntu related stuff on that error code |
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| [14:50:47] | justinh: | unless it's actually a segfault |
| [14:51:11] | justinh: | but surely that should still get a proper exit code too |
| [14:51:20] | justinh: | e.g. (unknown) not 139 |
| [14:51:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that would do it |
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| [14:52:19] | wagnerrp: | ill leave that response up to you... i have no desire to join twitter to do so |
| [14:53:54] | justinh: | yeah 139 is actually a proper segfault exit code apparently |
| [14:54:11] | wagnerrp: | 128+11, yeah |
| [14:54:14] | wagnerrp: | SIG_SEGV |
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| [14:57:54] | justinh: | I dunno what it is – I see a pic of somebody I've never met – they have a goatee & it makes me hate them |
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| [15:04:00] | ikke-t: | hi, is there any other info than code on howto add mythnetvision sources? |
| [15:04:13] | ikke-t: | cant find info on wiki plugins page |
| [15:04:13] | wagnerrp: | like, write your own? |
| [15:04:19] | ikke-t: | yes |
| [15:04:42] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision_Grabber_Script_Format |
| [15:05:11] | ikke-t: | thanks |
| [15:06:47] | ikke-t: | the finnish national tv has all of it's programs on their internet site for couple of weeks for free |
| [15:07:04] | ikke-t: | so it would be extremely handy to be able to play them from mythtv directly |
| [15:07:30] | ikke-t: | http://areena.yle.fi/ |
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| [15:10:34] | ikke-t: | kurre_, are you on irc? |
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| [15:11:33] | wagnerrp: | !seen kurre_ |
| [15:11:33] | MythLogBot: | kurre_ is here and has been idle for 1 day 1 hour 33 minutes 5 seconds |
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| [15:26:54] | wagnerrp: | anyone know where this grounded mike character is located? |
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| [15:32:05] | iamlindoro: | corner of idiocy and cluelessness |
| [15:32:30] | iamlindoro: | but based on owning an HVR-1600, North America somewhere |
| [15:32:37] | wagnerrp: | ah, right... 1600 |
| [15:32:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that threw me for a loop since the W5 sat services europe and asia |
| [15:35:10] | iamlindoro: | His messages get auto-deleted for me now |
| [15:35:13] | iamlindoro: | so I'm not following |
| [15:35:21] | iamlindoro: | But found it in my trash |
| [15:37:32] | Saviq_afk is now known as Saviq | |
| [15:38:02] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: Minneapolis area, I believe |
| [15:38:27] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: was wagnerrp who asked |
| [15:38:40] | Beirdo: | gah, sorry |
| [15:38:49] | ** Beirdo rubs teh sleep out of his eyes ** | |
| [15:38:53] | iamlindoro: | all good |
| [15:43:13] | wagnerrp: | justinh: who is this pla1 guy, and why is he posting all his random activities on #mythtv? |
| [15:44:03] | wagnerrp: | ooh! http://twitter.com/lraszewski/statuses/27683767174 |
| [15:46:13] | wagnerrp: | 'can you run googletv on a regular htpc'... i think someone doesnt understand what the GTV actually does |
| [15:47:23] | Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk | |
| [15:49:13] | iamlindoro: | I am coining a new term |
| [15:49:16] | iamlindoro: | "Data rapist" |
| [15:49:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, but it was askin for it.... |
| [15:49:42] | iamlindoro: | anyone who would rather violate a closed source to get good data than help build an open community source |
| [15:49:56] | Beirdo: | you know someone will say it, so let's get it over with :) |
| [15:50:42] | iamlindoro: | At least we'll throw him a curveball with .24, he'll have to rewrite them, jagoff |
| [15:50:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:51:26] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: what are you talking about, hes still using 0.21 for... other reasons |
| [15:51:51] | Beirdo: | we get perverse pleasure out of bursting bubbles of those who won't play according to the rules. |
| [15:54:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why FX plays these 3-minute recaps early in the morning |
| [15:54:37] | wagnerrp: | who are they intended for? |
| [15:54:56] | iamlindoro: | I don't know either, but I wish they had a different programid |
| [15:55:47] | wagnerrp: | they did the same thing with justified |
| [15:58:32] | skd5aner: | They do it with all of their primetime shows – Sons of Anarchy, Terriers, Justified, etc |
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| [16:02:29] | wagnerrp: | can WMC do remote play with cablecard content? |
| [16:02:51] | iamlindoro: | Think so |
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| [16:18:47] | ** wagnerrp things thedaver doesnt understand the purpose of the mythtv-contractors group ** | |
| [16:18:52] | wagnerrp: | *thnks |
| [16:18:54] | wagnerrp: | thinks |
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| [16:20:14] | skd5aner: | Is there a wiki page for contractors? |
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| [16:20:22] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [16:20:55] | skd5aner: | I know you guys set up a site I think if people wanted contractor work... just curious if there was a "list" of people who might provide contract mythtv work on the wiki |
| [16:21:17] | wagnerrp: | like, paid documentation? |
| [16:21:18] | skd5aner: | I know there's similiar things on the asterisk/voip wiki site |
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| [16:21:52] | skd5aner: | nope, just a list of people to contact if they have generic or specific requests for mythtv work (not from a development standpoint) |
| [16:22:12] | wagnerrp: | theres the google group |
| [16:22:12] | skd5aner: | people who install, support, configure mythtv – etc |
| [16:22:27] | wagnerrp: | theres a page with some links to custom builders |
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| [16:23:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: plus, daver is asking for something that sphery documents in great detail about once a week |
| [16:23:21] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: kinda talking about something equivalent to this – http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+consultants |
| [16:23:29] | iamlindoro: | And he's clearly read the thread (as he says he's been told on the users list that it's possible) but not the numerous times sphery's documented exactly that |
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| [16:43:03] | sphery: | daver... can't find this thread |
| [16:43:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-contractors group |
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| [16:48:07] | skd5aner: | kenni: on r26871, just curious, why set CC enabled by default for da_dk? |
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| [16:50:28] | justinh: | gah where are all my radio channels now? |
| [16:52:11] | justinh: | WHAAAAAAAAAAA? they just disappeared |
| [16:52:38] | justinh: | now I *know* channels don't just disappear but... |
| [16:52:56] | justinh: | wagnerrp: btw told that guy he'd need to debug the segfaults. he no happy. hey ho :-) |
| [16:54:17] | skd5aner: | Well, speaking of dissapearing... I was going to bring this up here today anyway... I've randomly lost some recording rules with no apparently reason as to why |
| [16:54:37] | skd5aner: | I had 2 custom rules setup, for about 3 years... and just noticed over the last month or two they were gone |
| [16:55:13] | justinh: | maybe my radio channels vanished when I rescanned & I didn't do the 'only tv' tickbox uncheck manoevre |
| [16:55:15] | skd5aner: | and, I think I had one standard recording rule go missing too – but I can't be sure, that could have been just because I set the rule up wrong (record once) |
| [16:55:45] | skd5aner: | But what in the world would cause a recording rule to simply dissapear? |
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| [17:01:34] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the release notes seem to be your domain, any thoughts on making the TOC floating instead of in a table, or maybe limit the table to include new features and major changes? |
| [17:02:04] | skd5aner: | floating to always be shown on the left of the page? |
| [17:02:52] | wagnerrp: | hold on a second |
| [17:03:44] | justinh: | man, this scanner stuff is beyond my comprehension. old channels.. etc |
| [17:08:54] | justinh: | all done anyway |
| [17:09:01] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: http://www.wagnerrp.com/rnote-current.png http://www.wagnerrp.com/rnote-float.png http://www.wagnerrp.com/rnote-limit.png |
| [17:09:15] | justinh: | how comes the suggested channel number the 'suggest' option isn't the LCN then I wonder? |
| [17:09:27] | wagnerrp: | first is the current, second is with a floating TOC, third is limiting the current table to the 'overview' headings |
| [17:09:56] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: links dont work for me? |
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| [17:10:54] | skd5aner: | top link works, but not the images |
| [17:11:43] | wagnerrp: | bleh... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/rnote-current.png http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/rnote-float.png http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/rnote-limit.png |
| [17:12:38] | skd5aner: | oh, sure... np |
| [17:13:38] | wagnerrp: | the third one is actually the one i like the most, just add a '|}' after the 'major changes' section |
| [17:13:46] | skd5aner: | same |
| [17:14:07] | wagnerrp: | i just dont like a full quarter of the page being consumed by blank space |
| [17:16:35] | skd5aner: | done, thanks for the suggestion – The though had occured to me months ago, but totally forgot |
| [17:16:41] | skd5aner: | thought |
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| [17:27:21] | sphery: | Hard to get to work on MythTV today... You've all been way too busy changing libs, a.k.a. destroying my ccache. |
| [17:28:04] | high-rez: | ccache isn't as painful as protocl bumps |
| [17:28:08] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [17:28:23] | ** wagnerrp bumps high-res... into a fire ** | |
| [17:28:39] | ** high-rez pulls out his holy water and prays ** | |
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| [17:30:23] | wagnerrp: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [17:30:23] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller was last seen 3 days 2 hours 44 minutes 33 seconds ago |
| [17:30:35] | wagnerrp: | !seen awalls |
| [17:30:35] | MythLogBot: | awalls was last seen 16 hours 39 minutes 17 seconds ago |
| [17:30:40] | wagnerrp: | !seen stoth |
| [17:30:41] | MythLogBot: | stoth was last seen 4 days 4 hours 1 second ago |
| [17:30:49] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
| [17:31:05] | skd5aner: | !seen Jesus |
| [17:31:05] | MythLogBot: | Jesus has not been seen here |
| [17:31:07] | wagnerrp: | want someone to complain to that they need a forum |
| [17:31:23] | skd5aner: | eh, too bad – was looking for a miracle ;) |
| [17:31:40] | wagnerrp: | so if a tuner card doesnt show up on their wiki, there is a proper place to go |
| [17:31:43] | wagnerrp: | !seen god |
| [17:31:43] | MythLogBot: | god was last seen 1113 days 4 hours 55 minutes 33 seconds ago |
| [17:32:07] | wagnerrp: | godless for three years and counting |
| [17:32:13] | skd5aner: | loo |
| [17:32:14] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [17:32:33] | skd5aner: | god stopped using mythtv around the .20 days – who could blame him? |
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| [17:33:38] | skd5aner: | !seen unixSnob |
| [17:33:38] | MythLogBot: | unixSnob was last seen 13 seconds ago |
| [17:33:55] | skd5aner: | !seen WindowsSnob |
| [17:33:55] | MythLogBot: | WindowsSnob has not been seen here |
| [17:34:02] | skd5aner: | seems about right |
| [17:34:26] | dewman is now known as jesus | |
| [17:34:35] | jesus: | I'm here! |
| [17:34:37] | jesus: | lol |
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| [17:34:51] | wagnerrp: | but he asked specifically for 'Jesus' |
| [17:35:06] | dewman: | lol... |
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| [17:35:44] | skd5aner: | !seen skd5aner |
| [17:35:44] | MythLogBot: | skd5aner is here and has been idle for 1 minute 42 seconds |
| [17:36:02] | skd5aner: | seems like a paradox – I have actually been idle for 0 seconds when i asked |
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| [17:38:34] | wagnerrp: | the UN is planning on banning research into blocking the sun |
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| [17:39:37] | kormoc: | That won't stop me! Muhahahahahahaha |
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| [17:39:56] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, Mornin Mr. Lindoro, you around? |
| [17:40:09] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: hey, yeah |
| [17:40:14] | wagnerrp: | this is your wakeup call |
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| [17:41:50] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so you have the power I lack it seems :( |
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| [17:41:53] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, can you run |
| [17:42:32] | wagnerrp: | the powah? |
| [17:42:46] | ** iamlindoro thinks there is a command line coming up ** | |
| [17:43:08] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, /msg chanserv SET #mythtv-users ENTRYMSG Welcome to the MythTV user to user support channel. Before asking any questions, please search through the mailinglist archive located at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ and be sure that the answer isn't to be found in the documentation at: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall. For iVTV issues, have a look at http://ivtv.sf.net/. |
| [17:43:08] | skd5aner: | No, he just wants to play – THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME! |
| [17:43:19] | iamlindoro: | ahh |
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| [17:43:26] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
| [17:43:48] | iamlindoro: | Command needs a tweak |
| [17:43:55] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [17:46:05] | iamlindoro: | Did that take? |
| [17:46:09] | kormoc: | I'll check |
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| [17:46:47] | kormoc: | yeah, looks good |
| [17:46:48] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: why does that only show up for certain clients? |
| [17:46:49] | iamlindoro: | coolio |
| [17:47:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it shows up for non-identified users or first time identified joining users it seems? |
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| [17:47:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, thanks much! |
| [17:47:34] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [17:48:07] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [18:20:42] | sphery: | kormoc / iamlindoro : new location for docs is: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ , though we have a redirect for the old, ugly, http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
| [18:20:49] | wagnerrp: | where do people get off writing perl scripts and giving them the extension '.sh'? http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90 . . . k=t&sd=a |
| [18:21:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: .sh, don't tell anyone--it's a secret |
| [18:21:36] | sphery: | It's a new movement in FOSS: Perl on the Down Low |
| [18:21:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: they also access the database manually, without the perl bindings |
| [18:21:44] | wagnerrp: | and futz with the channel table |
| [18:21:58] | sphery: | yeah, the perl bindings don't really do anything for database/data access |
| [18:22:10] | sphery: | they're not the Python bindings... |
| [18:22:15] | wagnerrp: | oh, wait, no... |
| [18:22:23] | wagnerrp: | he installed mythtv, scanned on his tuner |
| [18:22:36] | wagnerrp: | then wrote this perl script to generate a channels.conf from the database |
| [18:22:46] | wagnerrp: | and subsequently uninstalled mythtv and used 'me-tv' |
| [18:22:49] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
| [18:22:58] | wagnerrp: | friggen crackhead |
| [18:23:18] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:23:33] | sphery: | this is the myth2me conversion program? |
| [18:23:58] | kormoc: | Me TV, it's TV for me computer |
| [18:24:12] | sphery: | sounds like a windows thing... |
| [18:24:25] | sphery: | probably not this one: http://www.metvchicago.com/ |
| [18:24:40] | Baylink: | Hey, sphery. That 23-fixes upgrade I did may not have been enough. Even after yanking /dev/video0 out of the setup (the one which was showing up in the crash log messages), it's *still* died at least once, she tells me. I'll see later today. |
| [18:24:49] | Baylink: | It is a lot better, though. |
| [18:25:11] | sphery: | yeah, if it's what I think, the problem isn't mythtv |
| [18:25:17] | kormoc: | sphery, I was looking at https://code.launchpad.net/me-tv |
| [18:25:18] | Baylink: | No, I knew that... |
| [18:25:23] | sphery: | it's the low-level stuff--V4L subsystem, drivers, kernel |
| [18:25:26] | Baylink: | I just gathered the workaround was Good Enough |
| [18:25:41] | Baylink: | Any idea how far back i gotta downgrade the kernel? That's a bitch in RPM, but I'll try |
| [18:25:42] | sphery: | the upgraded version just keeps hammering on the device for 20 retries/10sec before giving up |
| [18:25:51] | sphery: | I don't know |
| [18:26:06] | sphery: | I"m using 2.6.31.6 successfully |
| [18:26:16] | Baylink: | I'll hunt for a 2.6.31 then. Thanks. |
| [18:26:17] | sphery: | though I wouldn't necessarily /recommend/ that kernel version |
| [18:26:20] | Baylink: | Heh |
| [18:26:26] | sphery: | I think *buntu has 2.6.32 |
| [18:26:43] | Baylink: | That's working ok too, then? |
| [18:26:55] | sphery: | current is 2.6.35.7 with 2.6.38-rc8 in testing |
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| [18:27:12] | sphery: | lots of *buntu users are experiencing the problem |
| [18:27:37] | sphery: | if you can identify a kernel version that works, it would make it easier to identify what's changed |
| [18:27:42] | sphery: | and if it was intended or a bug |
| [18:27:55] | sphery: | you said you're running Suse |
| [18:28:07] | sphery: | what kernel do you have now? |
| [18:28:41] | Baylink: | 2.6.34.7, I believe. Lemme scrool |
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| [18:28:58] | Baylink: | Yes |
| [18:29:17] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [18:29:49] | Baylink: | Latest SUSE/YAST |
| [18:29:54] | sphery: | http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis . . . ml#id2856692 |
| [18:29:59] | sphery: | nothing too interesting there... |
| [18:30:02] | Baylink: | As noted: YAST does *not* make it easy to roll back |
| [18:30:23] | Baylink: | I'll have to find an RPM and install by hand |
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| [18:40:48] | justinh: | somebody at work asked me how to change the gateway IP address on SUSE today. I shrugged & said don't know, how the heck SHOULD I know and furthermore I don't care much. Didn't go down well |
| [18:42:06] | wagnerrp: | 'man route' |
| [18:42:41] | jams: | when in doubt yast |
| [18:42:42] | justinh: | seems to be that somehow people have found out I 'know' linux. and linux = linux = linux right? ;-) |
| [18:42:54] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that's not acceptable in the work place, you can't hint at a coworkers sexuality |
| [18:46:25] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how intensive the opengl painter would be on MESA if we could disable the fading |
| [18:46:56] | justinh: | intel, you mean? |
| [18:47:13] | wagnerrp: | im talking as far as beirdo's comment |
| [18:47:24] | kormoc: | justinh, intel's still hardware accelerated |
| [18:47:35] | wagnerrp: | VNC/xrdp/vmware/virtualbox/... |
| [18:47:36] | justinh: | barely, it seems |
| [18:47:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I wouldn't mind disabling the fade period. It's why I use the QT painter |
| [18:47:51] | kormoc: | justinh, you'd be surprised. Force mesa sometime... |
| [18:48:14] | justinh: | menu fades seem quite jerky sometimes on my c2d frontend |
| [18:48:17] | wagnerrp: | either give an option to disable the fade, and any additional animations that we may add in the future |
| [18:48:31] | wagnerrp: | or do some basic opengl performance test, and if it fails, kill them off |
| [18:48:33] | justinh: | wagnerrp: that should be pretty straightforward |
| [18:48:49] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: now you're making sense |
| [18:49:07] | Beirdo: | scaling eye-candy to available performance works for me :) |
| [18:49:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I'm a 9400M and I'd like them off :P |
| [18:49:12] | justinh: | those are all determined by the state of the uipainter setting anyway |
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| [18:49:35] | justinh: | prolly be a few line change to alter that behaviour |
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| [18:49:46] | wagnerrp: | or *gasp* make it themeable |
| [18:49:49] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [18:50:06] | kormoc: | my biggest issue with the fade is we don't build the new page until after it's done |
| [18:50:22] | kormoc: | so going to recordings takes 4 seconds or so after the fade is done to be usable |
| [18:50:38] | kormoc: | so the fade just adds unusable time, which I like to keep low |
| [18:50:51] | kormoc: | if it was pre-building so it faded into a working screen, I wouldn't mind it |
| [18:50:52] | justinh: | it's either that or wait 4 secs for the next screen to be built |
| [18:51:36] | kormoc: | it still feels rough |
| [18:52:11] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i was under the imporession the Boxee Box was using the CE4100 for graphics as well |
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| [18:52:24] | justinh: | yeah well, I'm keeping schtum about my ideas for improving the UI. staying to my word |
| [18:52:36] | ** sid3windr finally received his atom board and now has a 100% fanless system with picopsu dc power \o/ ** | |
| [18:52:50] | sid3windr: | it's weird, you can't even tell it's on as I didn't connect the power led.... :) |
| [18:52:56] | justinh: | sid3windr: and now your room is a bit warmer thanks to the big brick :-) |
| [18:53:05] | sid3windr: | yea but winter is coming so that's ok |
| [18:53:05] | kormoc: | justinh, but we respect you! |
| [18:53:06] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [18:53:13] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: picopsu is nice and all, but any power savings are negated when you connect it to a power brick |
| [18:53:15] | sid3windr: | instant bedroom warming |
| [18:53:38] | sid3windr: | I'm more in it for the fanlessness |
| [18:53:43] | kormoc: | meh |
| [18:53:49] | kormoc: | my mini is practically silent |
| [18:53:52] | sid3windr: | as it's in the bedroom |
| [18:54:05] | justinh: | kormoc: there's not that – I'm not into kicking devs in the teeth. well not mythtv devs anyhow |
| [18:54:27] | marc-us-tx: | sid3windr: Nice. Which atom board? Ion GPU or intel? |
| [18:54:30] | sid3windr: | I also like the bios is done in a second |
| [18:54:31] | wagnerrp: | just get a big heatsink, problem solved |
| [18:54:38] | sid3windr: | marc-us-tx: ion, a zotac board |
| [18:54:52] | justinh: | I'm all for abolishing BIOS |
| [18:55:03] | Baylink: | justinh: It's in /etc/sysconfig, which they inherited from RH |
| [18:55:04] | justinh: | which is almost upon us, I read somewhere |
| [18:55:05] | kormoc: | DEATH TO THE BIOS! LONG LIVE THE BIOS! |
| [18:55:06] | marc-us-tx: | sid3windr: Is it the single core version? |
| [18:55:08] | sid3windr: | EFIjustin :) |
| [18:55:10] | sid3windr: | marc-us-tx: yes |
| [18:55:36] | marc-us-tx: | Ah... My Zotac was dual core with fan but I think I did not need the extra core for watching shows. |
| [18:55:45] | justinh: | Baylink: it had to be somewhere in /etc .. I respond better to questions which aren't typed out to me onscreen while they yack on the phone |
| [18:55:53] | sid3windr: | yes – should be plenty for myth I think/hope |
| [18:55:57] | wagnerrp: | marc-us-tx: cant really use the extra core for watching shows |
| [18:56:00] | sid3windr: | singlecore version was a lot cheaper |
| [18:56:02] | wagnerrp: | it just sits there doing nothing |
| [18:56:04] | sid3windr: | got it for 70 eur |
| [18:56:06] | marc-us-tx: | Was, I mean.. still is... I just moved it to the living room. |
| [18:56:15] | marc-us-tx: | Perhaps I should make it doe something. |
| [18:56:29] | marc-us-tx: | perhaps help with comercial flagging |
| [18:56:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, but but but, what about the commflag jobs and the databases? |
| [18:56:36] | sid3windr: | I'd like to find an atx atom board |
| [18:56:42] | sid3windr: | saw one announced but never saw it sold |
| [18:56:44] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [18:56:44] | kormoc: | oh lordy |
| [18:56:53] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, it's useless for commflagging |
| [18:56:53] | wagnerrp: | well for that matter, neither cores really help with the commflag jobs and databases |
| [18:56:57] | marc-us-tx: | kormoc: It's a frontend only |
| [18:57:04] | marc-us-tx: | Oh... nice to know |
| [18:57:08] | sphery: | marc-us-tx: get a real computer that has some headroom |
| [18:57:17] | ** sphery hates Atom with a passion ** | |
| [18:57:17] | wagnerrp: | not enough power to be of any use |
| [18:57:32] | marc-us-tx: | Not for a front end sphery |
| [18:57:35] | wagnerrp: | ATSC commflagging will likely run at half speed or less |
| [18:57:40] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, yes |
| [18:57:52] | Beirdo: | sphery: you irrationally hate em :) But that's OK :) |
| [18:58:01] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, my mini costs maybe a penny more an hour to run, plus has the headroom to be useful for everything |
| [18:58:02] | sid3windr: | my backend is a E4400 / C2D 2GHz |
| [18:58:28] | marc-us-tx: | kormoc: Mini? as in mac mini? |
| [18:58:34] | kormoc: | sphery, it's time to pull the atom link of doom |
| [18:58:36] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, yes |
| [18:58:37] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: its very rational, Atoms cant put out efficient BOINC work units |
| [18:58:45] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [18:58:50] | Beirdo: | good point |
| [18:58:56] | marc-us-tx: | Enough of the atom splitting |
| [18:59:16] | marc-us-tx: | I'm beginning to fision |
| [18:59:25] | sphery: | marc-us-tx: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321 |
| [18:59:43] | marc-us-tx: | Well, no point in not using them. |
| [18:59:57] | sphery: | marc-us-tx: yeah there is |
| [19:00:18] | sphery: | because you have an artificially-constrained CPU with no headroom and you get the same power usage as you can get with a real CPU |
| [19:00:30] | sphery: | old articles: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html + http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-e7200-g31,2039.html + http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ato . . . cy,2069.html |
| [19:00:49] | marc-us-tx: | For just watching tv it's not an issue for me I'm not going to get rid of them now! |
| [19:00:55] | justinh: | but if I got a plugtop PC and hooked up an external USB video decoder and... with ponies and unicorns and... |
| [19:01:07] | marc-us-tx: | ARGH!!! I'm drowning in self-doubt! |
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| [19:01:17] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, just wait until you hit something the nvidia driver can't play |
| [19:01:37] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, I have plenty of material that's not GPU accelerated and am glad I have the cpu power to play it |
| [19:01:42] | justinh: | and nothing.. I repeat NOTHING will help you play Super HDTV. Muhahahahaha |
| [19:01:56] | marc-us-tx: | 4K video |
| [19:02:17] | kormoc: | justinh, I have a Beauwolf cluster! |
| [19:02:27] | marc-us-tx: | what do mac mini's cost these days? |
| [19:02:34] | sphery: | justinh: and if I don't count the power used by the external USB video decoder and the power used by the Quad-core i7 I'm using to run a Windows VM to run PlayOn to (in violation of the ToS) stream the Hulu video to my Atom frontend in a format it can play, then I'm saving a /ton/ of power--at least 5W |
| [19:02:35] | justinh: | they went up again |
| [19:02:40] | wagnerrp: | justinh: if you actually wrote some good GPU-optimized or SPE-optimized decoder, you could probably pull off SHDTV |
| [19:02:59] | marc-us-tx: | and that amount now is? |
| [19:03:00] | sphery: | kormoc: Beowulf cluster? with animated Angelina Jolie? |
| [19:03:00] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, I spent $700, which is just slightly less then a same feature ion |
| [19:03:06] | kormoc: | sphery, oh, you know it |
| [19:03:09] | marc-us-tx: | WHAT? |
| [19:03:09] | justinh: | heh not what nvidia churn out you mean, wagnerrp ? ;-) |
| [19:03:47] | wagnerrp: | justinh: im talking about something actually written in shader language, not simply using the decoder ASIC built into the GPU |
| [19:03:47] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, I want optical drives, ions with optical drives are barebones starting around $450, add ram and hard drive, it adds up |
| [19:03:57] | justinh: | aye entry level mac mini was just about what I'd call a nice price.. not now though |
| [19:03:59] | marc-us-tx: | Well, that's not in the same league of cheap as my cobbled ion systems |
| [19:04:04] | wagnerrp: | justinh: like the GPGPU video encoders |
| [19:04:09] | justinh: | ahhh |
| [19:04:11] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, especially 4 gigs of low profile ram |
| [19:04:56] | justinh: | some video editing apps are using GPU acceleration now. CUDA, they reckon.. that's shaderish IIRC |
| [19:05:16] | sphery: | kormoc: have you ever hooked a kill-a-watt to your system to see where you're at for power usage while idling/playing video with vdpau, etc. |
| [19:05:17] | marc-us-tx: | I'm talking near 225 to 250 bucks. |
| [19:05:24] | kormoc: | sphery, nope |
| [19:05:25] | sphery: | I'm guessing 10W idle |
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| [19:05:34] | sphery: | maybe 35W vdpau video |
| [19:05:37] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, and no optical, not the same amount of ram |
| [19:05:40] | justinh: | marc-us-tx: yeah but nothing is as good looking as the new mac mini.. nor as small. twas ever thus |
| [19:05:57] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, and my mini is my backend, frontend, database server, webserver, flash video streamer, etc |
| [19:06:00] | justinh: | I know you can hide ion boxes but you don't even wanna hide a mac mini IMHO |
| [19:06:12] | kormoc: | justinh++ |
| [19:06:23] | wagnerrp: | justinh: id want to hide a mac mini |
| [19:06:24] | justinh: | and FWIW it's the only computer my wife has ever laid eyes on where she said WANT ONE |
| [19:06:32] | marc-us-tx: | Well, I can't see spending another 350 a pop for something which is not part of the viewing routine |
| [19:06:32] | wagnerrp: | some funky glossy box sitting in front of my tv |
| [19:06:39] | wagnerrp: | doesnt match anything else there |
| [19:06:43] | sphery: | but I hear that if I trade in my 10mpg SUV for a 20mpg truck, I'm getting a 100% improvement in mileage, which would be the same as if my sister trades in her 25mpg Camry for a 50mpg Civic |
| [19:06:48] | justinh: | wagnerrp: well there's always that |
| [19:07:11] | kormoc: | marc-us-tx, how many commflag jobs can you do? :) |
| [19:07:24] | sphery: | so, while I would get a mac mini (truck), marc-us-tx wants an Atom (Civic) |
| [19:07:30] | marc-us-tx: | I'm using these boxes http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure |
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| [19:07:37] | marc-us-tx: | for my cases. |
| [19:07:52] | sphery: | and we'll both save hundreds of dollars on electricity |
| [19:08:22] | Criggie: | sphery: oh – 10 MPG would be awesome |
| [19:08:24] | marc-us-tx: | but I'm not jumping into the truck to go to the corner store to pick up a gallon of milk |
| [19:08:28] | Criggie: | I get 8–9 mpg :-\ |
| [19:08:52] | Criggie: | mind you – the puishbike gets infinity mpg |
| [19:08:54] | marc-us-tx: | They are front ends to the backend which is a regular computer |
| [19:08:56] | justinh: | anyway where was I? hmmm |
| [19:09:09] | sphery: | Criggie: wow, my above joke-math aside, those first mpg increases are /way/ more beneficial than the end increases |
| [19:09:45] | marc-us-tx: | If it works for me, I don't see where I would be better off by turning them off and spending 1200 dollars to replace these frontends. Sorry, I'm sure it makes sense to someone but not me at the moment. |
| [19:10:24] | wagnerrp: | Criggie: when you consider the amount of energy it takes you to ride a bicycle, and the food you consume to do so, its the equivalent of maybe 100–150mpg |
| [19:10:36] | wagnerrp: | walking is closer to 40–50mpg |
| [19:10:38] | Criggie: | marc-us-tx: most TV is crap anyway |
| [19:11:31] | marc-us-tx: | Yeah, but tv is what my MythTV is used for at the moment. |
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| [19:12:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow |
| [19:13:01] | sphery: | how does running stack up? closer to walking, right? |
| [19:13:14] | wagnerrp: | somewhat lower |
| [19:13:33] | sphery: | marc-us-tx: right, now that you have the Atoms, replacing them is definitely a high-cost option |
| [19:13:44] | sphery: | ideally, Intel wouldn't have marketed them in the first place |
| [19:13:45] | wagnerrp: | depends on the gait, really |
| [19:14:10] | wagnerrp: | a trained long distance runner is going to be a lot more efficient, obviously |
| [19:14:26] | sphery: | as there's absolutely no difference in requirements between a netbook processor (which Intel says should use Atom) and a laptop processor (which uses the Intel CULV processors, including Core 2 and Core i processors) |
| [19:14:53] | sphery: | wow, I need to get back out there and work on tuning my engine to get my mpg up, again |
| [19:15:01] | sphery: | my internal engine, that is |
| [19:15:13] | ** wagnerrp wonders what iamlindoro's caloric intake is during a triathlon ** | |
| [19:15:20] | marc-us-tx: | sphery: I'm sure a more powerful machine is what I would use if it was a remote backend but I really only use them for viewing content recorded by mythtv |
| [19:15:20] | iamlindoro: | A lot |
| [19:15:33] | iamlindoro: | 100–200 calories per hour after the first hour |
| [19:15:52] | iamlindoro: | x 6.5–7 hours for a half ironman, 12–14 for a full ironman |
| [19:15:56] | sphery: | the most-powerful machine in my house is my frontend system |
| [19:16:21] | wagnerrp: | i had a friend on the swim team in high school, little 5ft nothing kid |
| [19:16:22] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: But even then I'm in serious deficit since I'm burning 4–800 per hour |
| [19:16:24] | sphery: | my backends are weak, in comparison (i.e. Athlon II X2 250 for mythfrontend and Athlon XP 2400+ for a remote backend) |
| [19:16:37] | wagnerrp: | would consume like 7kcal/day when training for a meet |
| [19:16:44] | marc-us-tx: | heck, I even use a less capeable popcorn hour A-100 in the kids room hitting sym-links from the mythtv database via samba. For me, it's working and I'm afraid to touch it! |
| [19:17:07] | sphery: | the only reason my master backend is more powerful (Athlon II X2 240) is because I burned up one of my Athlon XP systems and used the MBE hardware to replace it |
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| [19:18:12] | marc-us-tx: | I run other things on the myth backend... some home automation, cron jobs for recording radio shows.. etc. Also, it's my file server / and my persistant IRC presence. |
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| [19:20:09] | marc-us-tx: | It's working just fine. We turn off the front ends at night while sleeping so energy use is really not a sever issue |
| [19:20:21] | marc-us-tx: | severe |
| [19:21:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i guess those numbers i saw included the energy that went into producing that food |
| [19:22:06] | wagnerrp: | so probably double it for the actual efficiency of a person |
| [19:26:37] | sphery: | wow |
| [19:26:38] | sphery: | not bad |
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| [19:34:15] | wagnerrp: | obama is going to make an appearance on mythbusters, to have them revisit the archimedes solar death ray, in an attempt to highlight the importance of science education |
| [19:34:25] | wagnerrp: | wont this be like the fourth time theyve done that particular myth? |
| [19:44:11] | Criggie: | maybe – we'll see it here in ~4 years |
| [19:44:18] | Criggie: | I'll keep count till then for you. |
| [19:44:19] | Criggie: | :P |
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| [19:52:21] | Elshar: | Just another newbie question: With mythtv, when I put a dvd in a drive and go to 'import' it, shouldn't it tell me the name of the DVD in the interface after I select the drive? Instead it just says something like "DVD Volume" or somesuch. |
| [19:53:11] | wagnerrp: | its recommended you look elsewhere for dvd ripping software |
| [19:53:13] | sphery: | Elshar: the DVD ripping in MythTV has always been very basic |
| [19:53:23] | wagnerrp: | that capability has been removed in the upcoming release |
| [19:53:28] | sphery: | it's been removed because there are many better tools for the job |
| [19:53:37] | sphery: | and wagnerrp is faster than I am |
| [19:53:42] | Elshar: | Ah. In .24 will I still be able to just toss .iso/vobs at it? |
| [19:53:43] | sphery: | I type too slow |
| [19:53:59] | wagnerrp: | in 0.23, you can toss .iso/vobs at it |
| [19:53:59] | sphery: | Elshar: yes, you just have to get them using a different program |
| [19:54:00] | Elshar: | I normally use ripping software, but I was trying to think of a simple click-clicky interface for the wife :P |
| [19:54:35] | sphery: | how often does the wife go out and buy new dvd's that she needs to import immediately |
| [19:54:48] | sphery: | versus just playing from disc or waiting 'til you can rip them for her? |
| [19:55:11] | Elshar: | Well, if I have to do it, they 'accumulate' until she honeydo's me :P |
| [19:55:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know of anything like anydvd for linux? |
| [19:56:53] | Elshar: | I've been using windows tools too. Do you guys know of something not terribly involved for linux? I've been reading up on dvdrip for linux. I'm mostly just wanting to pre-transocde dvds so the children don't destroy them :/ |
| [19:57:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: not really |
| [19:58:00] | sphery: | I don't use any DVD ripping programs |
| [19:58:08] | sphery: | I've heard good things about handbrake |
| [19:58:23] | bjn: | I haven't tried it myself but doesnt handbrake work on linux now? i've only tried it in osx but it was pretty nice |
| [19:58:37] | wagnerrp: | Elshar: here we go, vobcopy |
| [19:59:01] | wagnerrp: | pop the disk into the drive, run vobcopy, get a nice, unencrypted, concatenated vob |
| [19:59:16] | wagnerrp: | you can do with it as you please from there |
| [19:59:25] | Elshar: | Ah, very nice. thanks. :) |
| [19:59:26] | sphery: | someone posted: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/04/best-5-a . . . rip-and.html the other day |
| [20:00:17] | wagnerrp: | most people in here are going to say its better to just buy more hard drive space than bother recompressing |
| [20:00:29] | sphery: | +1 on more space |
| [20:01:45] | wagnerrp: | this mythicallibrarian guy has just gone completely mad |
| [20:01:54] | Elshar: | Oh hey, since you guys are around. I got my mythtv front/backened setup going last night, but I got about 2TB of movies on my fileserver. Can I just point mythtv to them and have it just automagically pick them up? Also, is it going to try to re-transcode them or something? It's taken awhile to convert my dvd collection, and I'm somewhat protective of it :P |
| [20:02:19] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo wont do anything to your existing collection |
| [20:02:27] | wagnerrp: | just tell it where it is, and scan for new content |
| [20:03:03] | Elshar: | Awesome. I hadn't done anything yet just in case. I was tenatively planning on copying some smaller stuff and seeing how it reacts. :) |
| [20:03:47] | wagnerrp: | he has somehow got it in his head that the python bindings are being developed by the entire dev team, and is the preferred interface for all purposes |
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| [20:04:13] | skd5aner: | sphery – what's the deal with browse across channels? |
| [20:04:17] | wagnerrp: | and keeps trying to push it on the xbmc team with various 'helper' applications called from C++ |
| [20:04:20] | skd5aner: | is that a trunk only thing? |
| [20:04:55] | Elshar: | I guess I got some more fiddling to do tonight, thanks again guys. I appreciate the help/input. |
| [20:04:55] | skd5aner: | I thought that setting has been there for a long time, which will allow you to channel up and down the full channel list correct? |
| [20:05:06] | skd5aner: | sphery: ^^ |
| [20:05:20] | skd5aner: | sphery: if so, how does that "fix" the multirec livetv issue? |
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| [20:06:21] | wagnerrp: | id love to see them get more use, but i just see them as being horribly misrepresented by this guy |
| [20:06:36] | sphery: | skd5aner: because you browse to a different channel, then you say change channel, and it goes |
| [20:06:44] | sphery: | skd5aner: just like the EPG allows you to switch channels |
| [20:06:49] | skd5aner: | that's never worked for me though |
| [20:06:50] | sphery: | it's supposed to work |
| [20:06:57] | sphery: | I have never said that it does |
| [20:07:02] | skd5aner: | oh, heh |
| [20:07:03] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [20:07:15] | sphery: | I think it did at one point |
| [20:07:18] | skd5aner: | " <sphery> that's supposed to work with browse across channels enabled" |
| [20:07:27] | skd5aner: | I guess the "supposed" is the key word then eh? |
| [20:07:30] | sphery: | yes :) |
| [20:07:43] | sphery: | I think it got broken, again, by changes |
| [20:07:50] | skd5aner: | I remember when that setting was enabled a few years ago, but I think that was even before multirec |
| [20:07:53] | sphery: | in all the refactors of channel changing and programinfo |
| [20:07:55] | sphery: | and tuning |
| [20:07:56] | sphery: | and ... |
| [20:08:07] | skd5aner: | fair enough – I think I misunderstood then |
| [20:08:28] | sphery: | and since it requires specific testing by users who a) use Live TV and b) use Browse all channels and c) have multiple sources and d) have multirec and ... |
| [20:08:48] | sphery: | anyway, just one more setting that should diea |
| [20:08:56] | sphery: | should just work if that's what everyone thinks should happen |
| [20:09:04] | skd5aner: | yea, really agree with that one |
| [20:09:21] | skd5aner: | why in the world would a user ever want to see only the channels that the current tuner could use |
| [20:09:37] | skd5aner: | that's ludicrous |
| [20:09:41] | sphery: | why in the world would a user ever want to use Live TV |
| [20:09:44] | sphery: | that's ludicrous |
| [20:09:49] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:11:18] | jams: | skd5aner- i find it very useful, as i have one tuner that only does the premimum or ppv chan. hbo/showtime/max etc |
| [20:12:00] | skd5aner: | because background noise is great sometimes and setting up a recording rule to extend for an entire day's worth of programming on a channel (think cable news) is kind of not worth the effort and you can't easily watch back-to-back programming without manual intervention |
| [20:12:28] | skd5aner: | jams: that, I suppose, is an interesting use case – but that's where channel groups or fav. channels might come in handy |
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| [20:13:29] | skd5aner: | sometimes I just want to kick on ESPN or discovery channel or _____ for the day, and not feel obligated to watch, but have it on :) |
| [20:13:44] | skd5aner: | pretty much the rule at our house is if it's recorded someone wants to actually pay attention and watch it |
| [20:13:52] | jams: | yeah it would serve the same function. just saying it's not as ludicrous as you think =) |
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| [20:14:59] | skd5aner: | true, I'm sure I'm not thinking of every use case – but probably a good example of a setting that can have a reasonable default to serve the 80/20 rule and be replaced with enhanced functionality for those who need "sets" of channels |
| [20:15:16] | skd5aner: | I'll shut up now :D |
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| [20:16:46] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I'd like to see improved playlist (or "play new" or ...) support |
| [20:17:31] | sphery: | Even though I can't understand using TV for background noise... Music, yes. TV, no. Words in the background distract me from foreground tasks. |
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| [20:19:17] | sphery: | anyway, main reason Browse all channels is a setting, now, is because it's significantly slower and more cpu intensive |
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| [20:28:59] | Beirdo: | f'argh |
| [20:29:15] | Beirdo: | #7978... not fixed for someone? |
| [20:29:22] | Beirdo: | I want beer. |
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| [20:31:46] | justinh: | oh man, this baby monitor my wife bought absolutely *sucks* – it's got mains hum all over it |
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| [20:33:38] | justinh: | haha and the hum changes with the images on the TV. Niiiiiiiiiice |
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| [20:46:35] | Peitolm: | ouch, is it your TV though? |
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| [20:47:39] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i can hear my cell phone traffic on the tv |
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| [20:48:41] | justinh: | Peitolm: yes it's my telly. definitely hear changes when fanart background images change |
| [20:49:09] | justinh: | wagnerrp: ow. scraped through the FCC EMC regs huh ;-) |
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| [20:49:41] | wagnerrp: | stuff all over the house isnt properly shielded for cell usage |
| [20:50:07] | wagnerrp: | wired phones, speakers, the tube on a tv |
| [20:50:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont visually see it, but i can hear the change in pitch coming out of the tube |
| [20:50:43] | wagnerrp: | when the phone kicks into high power mode briefly before getting a call |
| [20:51:33] | wagnerrp: | it may just be something ive trained myself to recognize, so i can hear it much more readily |
| [20:55:10] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone know if there is arepository of example lircd.conf's out there? I'm looking for one for a temporary remote I'm using |
| [20:55:54] | wagnerrp: | there are several on the wiki |
| [20:57:04] | justinh: | a guy at work is my age & he can hear SMPSU whine. My ears are frakked |
| [20:58:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont think hes actually hearing the SMPSU |
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| [20:59:23] | wagnerrp: | considering normal operating frequency is well outside not normal range of hearing |
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| [20:59:31] | Flashtek: | phnarp |
| [20:59:45] | justinh: | oh yes he was. the caps in the monitor were bad & it was apparently making a noise to him. |
| [20:59:58] | Flashtek: | ok, I have downloaded myth sources from svn, configured and make'd.. and make install'd |
| [21:00:01] | justinh: | heck I can hear my desktop machine's mainboard Vcore regulator sometimes |
| [21:00:11] | Flashtek: | what do i need to do next ? |
| [21:00:27] | justinh: | Flashtek: what you should have done before. read the docs :) |
| [21:00:45] | Flashtek: | ugh.. thanks.. |
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| [21:01:50] | wagnerrp: | justinh: thats because the vcore regulator runs at ~1khz |
| [21:04:42] | justinh: | reh |
| [21:06:23] | sphery: | what's up with: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Lircd.conf |
| [21:06:57] | sphery: | why does that one win lircd.conf |
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| [21:07:56] | wagnerrp: | because no one bothered to kill the redirect after the move |
| [21:08:10] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, it only existed as that page for a whopping 8 minutes |
| [21:08:26] | sphery: | ah, recent changes? |
| [21:08:34] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=CaptiveWorks . . . tion=history |
| [21:08:51] | iamlindoro: | Heh, and it's a lircd.conf for a stealy sat receiver |
| [21:08:55] | wagnerrp: | no one has touched it in two years |
| [21:09:11] | sphery: | so what do you mean only for 8 minutes? |
| [21:09:29] | sphery: | it's currently redirecting to a specific page |
| [21:09:39] | wagnerrp: | the history, it was created at lircd.conf, but moved elsewhere by kkuphal 8 minutes after creation |
| [21:10:10] | sphery: | yeah, but 2 years later the redirect is still there? |
| [21:10:36] | sphery: | but I see what you mean, now |
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| [21:10:43] | sphery: | I didn't realize it was /created/ as lircd.conf |
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| [21:11:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro: stealy meaning one that people hack or use with hacked cards? |
| [21:11:33] | iamlindoro: | one that people buy for the express purpose of putting a flashed rom on that is basically a softcam |
| [21:11:38] | sphery: | wow |
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| [21:18:42] | m4xx: | in mythweb channel editor, does the channel number effect the tuning or can i set that to match my schedules direct line up |
| [21:19:20] | iamlindoro: | channel numbers are purely for user interaction-- yes, you can change that to match your SD lineup-- it's even a good idea |
| [21:19:49] | iamlindoro: | ie, change all the channels to match your lineup, then do a mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all, and all should work nicely |
| [21:21:46] | ** sphery thinks we should name all these things such that user prejudices don't cause them to presume some incorrect meaning for them ** | |
| [21:22:38] | sphery: | So, if we call it a "zangrel", no one will recognize the name, so they won't think it's important when scheduling recordings |
| [21:23:35] | sphery: | do the same for callsign--called "abtrolin", of course--so that people have to read the definition |
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| [21:24:07] | sphery: | zangrel: a unique identifier expressly for the purpose of allowing a user to switch directly to a specific channel in Live TV by entering said identifier |
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| [21:25:08] | sphery: | abtrolin: a unique identifier for channels whose content is identical, used by "This abtrolin" recording rules to restrict matches to a specific abtrolin. |
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| [22:09:50] | m4xx: | my card doesnt pick up channels that my cable ready tv does, i think it should see them though |
| [22:10:03] | m4xx: | like spike, food channel, history channel |
| [22:11:11] | m4xx: | i have a wintv hvr 1600 |
| [22:13:32] | kormoc: | Digital channels? |
| [22:19:00] | m4xx: | yes |
| [22:19:10] | m4xx: | i believe so |
| [22:19:16] | kormoc: | and your tv doesn't have a cable box? |
| [22:19:21] | m4xx: | no |
| [22:19:29] | m4xx: | it's a newer one |
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| [22:19:38] | kormoc: | and no cable card? |
| [22:19:41] | sphery: | ~and you're using the digital side of the HVR-1600 |
| [22:19:42] | m4xx: | nope |
| [22:19:49] | m4xx: | i believe so dvb? |
| [22:19:49] | sphery: | and not the analog side of the HVR-1600 |
| [22:20:01] | sphery: | yeah, the "dvb" side |
| [22:20:11] | m4xx: | the other side only gave me like 4 channels |
| [22:20:28] | sphery: | and they were local broadcast networks? |
| [22:20:35] | m4xx: | didn't even look |
| [22:20:45] | kormoc: | I'm surprised that comcast would give you spike/food/history in the clear |
| [22:20:54] | sphery: | if so, that would have been a good indicator that you were most likely doing it right |
| [22:21:06] | sphery: | anyway, if you don't have all the channels, then chances re you need to rescan |
| [22:21:17] | m4xx: | i've rescanned and upped the timeout |
| [22:21:18] | sphery: | and, chances are, you need to upgrade to a newer version to scan properly |
| [22:21:25] | m4xx: | i've updated |
| [22:22:11] | sphery: | 0.23-fixes svn revision [26178] or higher |
| [22:22:21] | m4xx: | one sec let me check |
| [22:22:23] | sphery: | mythbackend --version to verify |
| [22:23:25] | sphery: | I highly recommend Delete all video sources then re-creating before the rescan to remove all the garbage from the bad scan |
| [22:25:06] | sphery: | also, AIUI (but I may be wrong) it may be possible that some of the channels are QAM256 and others are QAM64 and others QAM16 and ... so you may have to scan multiple times |
| [22:26:20] | m4xx: | 0.23.1.201000710–1 MythTV Version : 26732 |
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| [22:27:17] | sphery: | should be good from a scanner code standpoint |
| [22:27:25] | sphery: | so maybe just try scanning with other modulations |
| [22:27:55] | m4xx: | would i loose the channels i have set up already? |
| [22:28:00] | m4xx: | *lose |
| [22:28:26] | sphery: | if done properly, no |
| [22:28:36] | sphery: | that said, I don't know how to do properly |
| [22:28:44] | sphery: | I have a nice easy case |
| [22:28:47] | sphery: | OTA channels, only |
| [22:28:54] | sphery: | 8VSB ftw! |
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| [22:44:13] | wagnerrp: | m4xx: when you watch those channels on your tv, what channel does the tv say it is on? |
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| [23:07:47] | wagnerrp: | so dead router? |
| [23:08:03] | iamlindo` is now known as iamlindoro | |
| [23:08:04] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [23:08:16] | wagnerrp: | havent had one of those in a while |
| [23:08:33] | iamlindoro: | me neither-- was a good router, too... didn't buy it more than 18 months ago, never needed any attentiont until today |
| [23:08:38] | iamlindoro: | was in an endless reboot loop |
| [23:09:02] | ** wagnerrp is still kicking with 12+yr old cisco gear ** | |
| [23:10:32] | sphery: | was this the asus I told you about? |
| [23:11:15] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [23:11:38] | sphery: | did I do a proper disclaimer when I mentioned it? |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | now that you mention it, it's time for him to talk to his lawyer |
| [23:12:15] | iamlindoro: | Given who it is, probably ;) |
| [23:12:16] | sphery: | oh, great. /another/ lawsuit |
| [23:12:46] | iamlindoro: | but now that I'm home we can.... |
| [23:12:50] | iamlindoro: | BRANCH .24! |
| [23:13:00] | ** kormoc recoils in horror! ** | |
| [23:13:05] | iamlindoro: | unless anyone would like another hour to madly apply patches |
| [23:13:08] | kormoc: | it's still just a baby! |
| [23:13:39] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, is the plan to unfreeze -trunk or for -rc2/.24 will you remerge all over to it? |
| [23:14:29] | iamlindoro: | The plan is that as soon as the branch is made, freeze is off |
| [23:14:39] | iamlindoro: | But any fixes in the next week or two should be ported to .24 |
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| [23:15:16] | kormoc: | kk |
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| [23:24:06] | sphery: | did someone say brunch? |
| [23:24:16] | sphery: | I'll take Eggs Benedict |
| [23:24:22] | sphery: | with a side of bacon |
| [23:25:16] | kormoc: | Mmm... Benedict |
| [23:25:29] | kormoc: | sphery, smoked salmon + cream cheese benedict == awesome |
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| [23:25:30] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Captain_Murdoch | |
| [23:25:57] | iamlindoro: | he returns! |
| [23:26:11] | kormoc: | The maddog is back |
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| [23:27:50] | sphery: | I figured he'd be at least a Major by now |
| [23:28:12] | kormoc: | well, he's now part of the a-team and so far there hasn't been any openings higher up by now |
| [23:28:14] | iamlindoro: | Depends on branch... as you of all people do know ;) |
| [23:29:22] | sphery: | everyone knows he was Army Special Forces |
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| [23:31:10] | iamlindoro: | Here goes nothing |
| [23:31:22] | iamlindoro: | pew pew |
| [23:32:39] | iamlindoro: | and again |
| [23:39:35] | ** wagnerrp wonders if that means the freeze is over ** | |
| [23:39:46] | iamlindoro: | it is for trunk |
| [23:39:49] | iamlindoro: | (IMO) |
| [23:41:18] | kormoc: | if he was a younger man, he would have taken a flamethrower to that branch! |
| [23:44:54] | sphery: | kormoc: he wanted to maintain his good karma, so he convinced trunk that his followers needed him |
| [23:47:14] | Beirdo: | Ummmm, no |
| [23:47:32] | Beirdo: | how is the freeze off, we have not released yet |
| [23:47:42] | wagnerrp: | but weve branched |
| [23:47:46] | Beirdo: | and? |
| [23:48:05] | wagnerrp: | and... new features wont affect the release |
| [23:48:15] | kormoc: | Beirdo, and so 0.24 exists on it's own, all alone in the branch's directory |
| [23:48:17] | Beirdo: | where are we cutting the release from? trunk or 0.24-fixes? |
| [23:48:22] | kormoc: | 0.24 fixes |
| [23:48:25] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [23:48:28] | kormoc: | we've always done that |
| [23:48:32] | Beirdo: | never mind then |
| [23:48:52] | Beirdo: | "we've always done" means nothing as we are slowly changing processes, you know :) |
| [23:49:07] | sphery: | Usually though the freeze is technically off, we all wait a bit before putting in any changes that will make backporting fixes more difficult |
| [23:49:11] | Beirdo: | we are still doing... |
| [23:49:28] | sphery: | since all fixes have to be backported to 0.24-fixes until release |
| [23:49:33] | Beirdo: | yeah, we should be more busy making sure the release is done |
| [23:49:37] | sphery: | so keeping trunk and 0.24 similar is good |
| [23:49:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, this are just some python tidbits that have been sitting on my hard drive |
| [23:49:49] | Beirdo: | in other words, we effectively rebranch at release |
| [23:49:57] | Beirdo: | mostly |
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| [23:50:07] | Beirdo: | Gotcha :) |
| [23:50:18] | kormoc: | Beirdo, nah, we're not gonna resync from -trunk, it'll go as people commit to both |
| [23:50:35] | Beirdo: | understood |
| [23:50:42] | Baylink: | (STUPID) QUESTION: It used to be that when you looked at the Info about a recorded program, it told you *what rule* triggered that recording. ,23 lost that. On-purpose? |
| [23:50:57] | Beirdo: | OK. Fun times :) |
| [23:51:15] | sphery: | python tidbits... just an appetizer, then? |
| [23:51:27] | Beirdo: | tasty snake |
| [23:51:33] | sphery: | around here we have alligator tidbits, but I haven't seen python tidbits on any menus. |
| [23:52:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ever seen temple of doom? |
| [23:52:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:52:30] | sphery: | I don't remember the python tidbits in it |
| [23:52:39] | wagnerrp: | sleek surprise |
| [23:53:05] | Baylink: | In other news: www.mythtv.org/bugs is linked from many places in the world, and is 404. Should it not be 301 to wherever Trac puts that? Or was that link broken on purpose. |
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| [23:53:35] | sphery: | I thought we squashed all the bugs so that page wasn't necessary, anymore |
| [23:53:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:53:47] | Baylink: | To quote Hawk: "haw". |
| [23:54:03] | Beirdo: | should redirect it to somewhere lame. like... mythpvr.com |
| [23:54:36] | Baylink: | Yay. |
| [23:56:17] | jstenback: | anyone else here seeing backend deadlocks with two frontends trying to watch livetv at the same time? |
| [23:56:34] | jstenback: | trunk build |
| [23:56:39] | jstenback: | as of earlier today |
| [23:56:53] | jstenback: | (first trunk build I've tried since 0.23) |
| [23:57:04] | Beirdo: | what does the backend logs have to say for itsef? |
| [23:57:10] | Beirdo: | itself, rather |
| [23:58:13] | jstenback: | Beirdo: here's a snippet: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/820985 |
| [23:58:52] | jstenback: | building a debug build right now so I can see which lock we're deadlocking on |
| [23:59:21] | Beirdo: | that snippet does me no good |
| [23:59:47] | jstenback: | Beirdo: what do you need? |
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