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Saturday, October 16th, 2010, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:15] Sp0tter: ok i'm back to it just saying it oesnt recognizxe the card type
[00:01:18] Sp0tter: i dont have all tha symbol stuff
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[00:12:39] sphery: nice link posted to the -users list... ends with /tip-3-importing-downloaded-tv-shows.php
[00:13:13] wagnerrp: what thread?
[00:13:19] sphery: Re: [mythtv-users] Partial import of 0.21 database into 0.23.1
[00:13:45] sphery: and the broken blog post about restoring a db
[00:14:05] sphery: very good thing that our users realize they know more about mythtv than the devs do
[00:14:33] bjd: heh
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[00:17:57] wagnerrp: well ive traced my missing mailing list emails to maildrop
[00:18:07] wagnerrp: my server receives them
[00:18:11] wagnerrp: pushes them to maildrop
[00:18:15] wagnerrp: and then theyre gone
[00:18:37] wagnerrp: no clue why
[00:18:42] wagnerrp: (that was one i missed by the way)
[00:19:03] sphery: so it's dropping some of them?
[00:19:20] wagnerrp: its like the rule errors at some point, preventing it from falling through to the main folder
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[00:20:28] sphery: my procmail works great for me :)
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[00:22:40] wagnerrp: i cant figure out how to turn on maildrop logging
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[00:23:47] sphery: for my procmail, I just uncomment: #INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.log
[00:23:51] sphery: :)
[00:25:01] wagnerrp: yeah, i should just need to do 'logname "jkskjdcsd"', but its not working
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[00:36:24] iamlindoro: ugh, someone just revived a 15 month old thread
[00:36:42] iamlindoro: and it's nonsense
[00:39:16] sphery: which one?
[00:39:51] Beirdo: heh
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[00:41:18] Beirdo: OMG that guy is CLUELESS
[00:42:16] sphery: ah the HD-PVR one
[00:42:21] sphery: perl before what command?
[00:42:28] sphery: some channel change script?
[00:43:38] Beirdo: perl this.
[00:44:09] sphery: Can't open perl script "this": No such file or directory
[00:44:14] Beirdo: anyways, I'm goin home
[00:44:17] sphery: I must be missing prereq's
[00:44:31] Beirdo: use common-sense;
[00:44:36] sphery: safe travels
[00:44:42] sphery: see you on the other side
[00:44:43] Beirdo: (actually is a REAL perl module, BTW)
[00:44:47] sphery: really
[00:44:48] sphery: heh
[00:44:50] Beirdo: yup
[00:44:57] Beirdo: no clue what it does
[00:44:58] Beirdo: heh
[00:45:07] sphery: http://search.cpan.org/~mlehmann/common-sense-3.3/sense.pm.PL
[00:45:12] Beirdo: anywho, TTYL, and I get to debug my analog fun tonight
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[01:07:05] Sp0tter: i compiled v4l-dvb from source, that hsould mean it works with me kernel?
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[01:08:40] wagnerrp: well if you compiled new modules from source, you must have had at least a prepared kernel source tree
[01:09:02] wagnerrp: so as long as that configuration in the source tree matches your actual kernel, it should work with your kernel
[01:09:44] Sp0tter: i used an arch tool Clyde with pkgbuild to automatiically download and compile it
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[01:13:37] wagnerrp: so much for putting together one of the alternate cuts of blade runner, that disk is dead too
[01:14:28] ** wagnerrp seems to remember some claim about HDDVD being far more rugged than bluray **
[01:14:44] wagnerrp: what a crock
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[01:19:46] dewman: i just set up a slave backend and I noticed in the mythweb log that it shows the mythbackend starts as a slave backend but then it says that no cards are defined and to please run setup, can that be ignored since the tuner cards are all defined on the mbe?
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[01:20:42] damo22: does mythtv support reading cd text from audio cds?
[01:20:51] wagnerrp: why would you set up a SBE with no tuner cards?
[01:21:54] dewman: for transcoding and flagging...
[01:22:19] wagnerrp: use mythcommflag
[01:22:23] wagnerrp: erm... mythjobqueue
[01:22:45] wagnerrp: it runs a jobqueue without requiring the entire backend
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[02:11:11] clever: hinahina
[02:11:39] clever: shit
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[02:24:52] Beirdo: !trout clever language
[02:24:52] ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a language trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
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[02:26:38] tgm4883: sphery, I think you were part of the discussion earlier regarding mythbuntu's shutdown patch. We're looking to revise it, do you have a minute to look at it or can point me to someone else?
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[02:35:41] Beirdo: my allergy to stupidity is really starting to flare up.
[02:39:15] Beirdo: now time to look over the code and see if I can determine why the recorded seektable for my analog recordings is borked
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[02:53:52] Beirdo: iiiinteresting
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[03:01:52] wagnerrp: Beirdo: so far im 9 for 17 of failed warner brothers disks
[03:02:06] wagnerrp: the other brands are all perfectly fine
[03:02:12] Beirdo: how odd
[03:03:25] wagnerrp: i almost wonder if its a deficiency in modern anydvd, rather than dead disks
[03:06:34] Beirdo: could well be
[03:17:47] Sp0tter: dear wagnerrp, please fix my shit. love, Sp0tter
[03:18:16] clever: !trout Sp0tter language
[03:18:16] ** MythLogBot slaps Sp0tter with a language trout on behalf of clever... **
[03:19:06] wagnerrp: cant really fix your stuff
[03:19:09] Sp0tter: oh you guyts don't do language here?
[03:19:11] wagnerrp: since i never had to fix my stuff
[03:19:18] wagnerrp: never had to work through any problems
[03:19:24] wagnerrp: it always 'just worked'
[03:19:24] Sp0tter: wagnerrp: yea the ovibous answer seems to just use an earlier kernel
[03:19:27] Sp0tter: but that sounds harsh
[03:19:35] wagnerrp: im using it just fine with 2.6.35.5
[03:19:43] Sp0tter: hmm
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[03:23:13] Sp0tter: watching Twilight – Eclipse
[03:23:15] Sp0tter: its not as good as the first two
[03:24:16] ** wagnerrp didnt realize Sp0tter was a teenage girl **
[03:24:20] Beirdo: // FIXME: handle keyframes with start code spanning over two ts packets
[03:24:25] Beirdo: blargh
[03:24:31] Beirdo: that's not promising
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[03:26:51] Sp0tter: wagnerrp: i don't deny liking Twilight
[03:26:53] Sp0tter: i've read all the books
[03:26:58] Sp0tter: i'm a 27 year old male
[03:27:09] Sp0tter: heterosexial at that
[03:27:20] wagnerrp: usually people lie in the other direction on the internet
[03:27:22] wagnerrp: :P
[03:27:28] Sp0tter: hehe
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[03:27:37] Sp0tter: honesty is the best policy
[03:28:31] achew22: I've been running mythfilldatabase --do-not-filter-new-channels. I was expecting it to update the channel list (potentially destructively) and get the channel changes that are up on schedules direct. Is that not the appropriate option?
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[03:50:24] LkBurn: Hello Everyone!
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[03:55:14] Sp0tter: hey Lord_Deathscythe
[03:55:17] Sp0tter: LkBurn:
[03:56:02] LkBurn: just reading to see what it would take to make MythTV work on FiOS
[03:56:32] wagnerrp: LkBurn: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable
[03:57:47] LkBurn: does MythTV support any tuners with cablecards?
[03:58:01] wagnerrp: none currently available for purchase
[03:58:39] wagnerrp: and even when they are available, it will only be able to record those shows that are 'copy freely'
[03:59:01] wagnerrp: mythtv is open source, and as such cannot implement the necessary DRM to make full use of cablecard devices
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[03:59:50] ** LkBurn is sad. **
[04:00:21] wagnerrp: complain to your congressman
[04:01:00] Beirdo: or to your dog :)
[04:01:11] wagnerrp: yeah, either will do about as much good
[04:01:25] Beirdo: pretty much
[04:01:53] LkBurn: yeah
[04:01:55] tgm4883: well, your dog might hump your leg
[04:01:55] LkBurn: I assumed so
[04:02:09] LkBurn: I kinda chuckled when you said complain to my congressman
[04:02:16] Beirdo: so might yer congressman :)
[04:02:44] tgm4883: Beirdo, only if it's election time
[04:02:49] Beirdo: hehe
[04:03:15] Beirdo: there are some senators that would hump yer leg right about now
[04:03:34] wagnerrp: the basic issue is that DRM requires you give the content AND the key to the user, so the only way to make it work is to lock down the software to prevent access to either
[04:09:39] wagnerrp: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=26.358298,127.7 . . . 972&z=17
[04:11:43] iamlindoro: Not surprising on a US airbase
[04:12:43] wagnerrp: I'm batman!
[04:13:12] achew22: wagnerrp: do you play the dexter/batman drinking game?
[04:13:19] wagnerrp: ?
[04:13:40] achew22: any time dexter says something that would end well with "for I am batman!" (or similar) you drink
[04:14:07] wagnerrp: the serial murderer? or the child super scientist?
[04:14:13] achew22: murderer
[04:15:05] achew22: although I wonder if that game would fit with the super scientist
[04:15:12] achew22: wasn't that "Dexter's lab"?
[04:15:26] wagnerrp: yes
[04:16:11] Beirdo: hush, poindexter
[04:16:33] Beirdo: heh :)
[04:16:46] wagnerrp: for I am Batman!
[04:16:47] Beirdo: this is... frigging borked
[04:17:05] ** wagnerrp hands a shot to Beirdo **
[04:17:49] Beirdo: heh :)
[04:18:05] Beirdo: so so borked
[04:18:21] achew22: is `mythfilldatabase --do-not-filter-new-channels` how you get a list of new channels from schedules direct?
[04:19:31] Beirdo: #7978 is definitely confirmed
[04:21:03] Beirdo: first off, the offset at frame 0 is -2174
[04:21:26] Beirdo: but shown as MAX_INT64–2174
[04:22:01] Beirdo: secondly... the frame # -> offset is way off
[04:22:15] Beirdo: like, by a factor of 3 for me
[04:22:27] Beirdo: and only on analog -> MPEG2 captures
[04:23:12] Beirdo: boooo
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[05:08:50] ** Sp0tter dreams of a day when this Haup 1250 works **
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[05:52:34] Sp0tter: i fixed my problem
[05:52:44] Sp0tter: the solution was that a 1250 has to be specified as a 1255 manually now
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[06:07:47] Sp0tter: i get 1 news channel now :(
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[06:29:11] digitalstimulus: hello all, would anyone happen to know why my mythvideo plugin isn't pulling the ratings from TMDB? all the movies show: NR instead of the real rating
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[07:04:27] wagnerrp: digitalstimulus: what movie? what version of mythtv?
[07:07:21] Sp0tter: wagnerrp: does your 1250 remote work?
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[07:39:12] wagnerrp: Sp0tter: it didnt last time i checked
[07:39:30] wagnerrp: but ive got MCEUSB units on each of my frontends for that
[07:44:02] Sp0tter: yea i have a mceusb in the other room that works fine
[07:44:05] Sp0tter: trying to get this to work though
[07:44:25] Sp0tter: i wish you had mentioned the remote didn'tw ork when i was asking you which card you had
[07:44:43] Sp0tter: :)
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[07:48:16] Sp0tter: lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver
[07:48:21] Sp0tter: it looks like it 'should' work
[07:55:43] wagnerrp: well last time i checked was like two years ago
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[08:10:46] LkBurn: hey guys
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[08:59:09] Internat: hwody. Im curious to know if its possible to remotely tell a mythtvideo front end, what video to play? like i dont mean using network remote to navigate, i want to actually tell it play file x from your library or something along those lnies
[09:01:40] clever: Internat: not sure if you can do that directly, but you can just bypass the entire thing and run mplayer right on the file
[09:02:06] clever: if it still exists, you can use the mythtv command the same way as mplayer, to get the same OSD/controls
[09:02:45] Internat: hmm ok
[09:03:40] Internat: basicly what im wanting to do is, if one doesnt already exist, use a tablet pc, or an ipad or something, to scroll through the available media and things like that, and then tell the box that currently is the mythfront end to actually play it
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[09:04:56] clever: ah, that would be extrelemy easy for actual recordings
[09:05:09] clever: telnet provides a way to list them and play one on demand
[09:05:23] clever: no need for even a DB connection
[09:05:48] clever: i dont use the plugins much myself, i always have a laptop on my lap, and usualy have ssh open to the frontend 24/7
[09:06:28] Internat: but thats only the tv recordings, not whats in mythvideo right?
[09:06:34] clever: correct
[09:06:51] Internat: do you know if its possible to get simular info from/for mythvideo?
[09:07:16] clever: i havent looked, and dont have the plugins compiled right now so i cant
[09:07:45] Internat: righto, ill go hunting
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[11:21:18] frederik1986: hi all
[11:22:15] frederik1986: i have a mythtv backend in the living room , the pc shuts down after recording and wakes up for a recording , but i want to program it at work
[11:22:52] frederik1986: is it possibe to run a mythtb backend on a mini pc that is up all the time and program the recordings with that machine
[11:23:12] frederik1986: so it wake's up the backend in the living room
[11:27:57] bjd: is the machine in the living really that inefficient?
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[12:21:54] Peitolm: frederik1986: I'm not sure you could alter the schedule for a machine that is otherwise off, unless it was a slave backend,
[12:22:53] Peitolm: frederik1986: so you would have to make the always on machine the masterbackend and run mythweb on it as well
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[12:27:28] Finswimmer: Hello, when I log into a mythbuntu installation via bash I get a mythTV status about upcoming recordings and if mythTV is idle. Which script is this? As I want to have this on Gentoo...
[12:31:08] Finswimmer: The only thing i found is:http://www.etc.gen.nz/projects/mythtv/mythtv-status.html But the latest Tarball is 30-Jul-2008...?
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[12:41:57] clever: frederik1986: only other option is to have some system thats always on, and can wake-on-lan the master, and then some better timeouts so it wont go right back to sleep on you
[12:44:10] XChatMav: Finswimmer: I have a mythtv-status on my machine dated in early 2008
[12:44:17] XChatMav: Holocron:~$ mythtv-status -v
[12:44:17] XChatMav: mythtv-status, version 0.9.0.
[12:44:18] XChatMav: Written by Andrew Ruthven <andrew@etc.gen.nz >
[12:44:43] XChatMav: I am running 0.23.1 with that version of status no problems
[12:46:22] Finswimmer: XChatMav: Thank you. I am trying the GIT version as this seems to be newer.
[12:46:32] Finswimmer: So...At least it is the right script ;)
[12:46:38] XChatMav: cool, I might check it out, see what's different
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[15:30:37] Sp0tter: is anyone currently using a working Hauppauge 1250 remote ?
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[16:17:27] frederik1986: bjd : no but i don't want it to be powered on when not needed
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[16:26:15] Sp0tter: I'm getting 'userspace uses outdated ioctl please update your lirc installation' with a remote that has worked in the past,and works in other linux machines,.,, what could cause that? I've tried reinstalling lirc and then tried using the latest from the repo
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[16:40:54] wagnerrp: Internat: yes, the telnet control allows you to play a arbitrary file directly
[16:41:35] wagnerrp: frederik1986: why not just put the tuners in the 'mini pc', and make the one in your living room frontend-only?
[16:43:01] wagnerrp: Sp0tter: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_W . . . trol_Support
[16:43:46] wagnerrp: Beirdo: is that commflag speedup toggleable?
[16:54:39] wagnerrp: appears so, and it defaults to off
[16:56:07] frederik1986: because there are no pci slots on it and only usb 1.1
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[17:02:29] wagnerrp: if its so old as to only have USB 1.1, you dont want it as your primary backend
[17:03:05] wagnerrp: the primary backend does all your guide data processing and scheduling
[17:03:10] wagnerrp: you want a decent processor for that
[17:03:44] wagnerrp: and more than decent depending on how many channels and inputs you have
[17:06:53] Sp0tter: wagnerrp: good find
[17:07:03] Sp0tter: i guess i'll buy another mce one
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[17:07:25] Sp0tter: would be nice if i could just buy the receiver for $5 and use the haup remote
[17:07:25] AndyCap: frederik1986: acpi wakeup?
[17:07:30] wagnerrp: Sp0tter: thats not a 'good find', thats the official linux support page for that card
[17:07:46] Sp0tter: wagnerrp: i've read that
[17:07:55] Sp0tter: wagnerrp: i was asking if anyone had gotten it to work
[17:08:16] Sp0tter: wagnerrp: 'good find' was just smalltalk meaning thanks for caring
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[17:17:29] frederik1986: it would just be a slave backend , i had the idea they would sync
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[17:20:17] wagnerrp: frederik1986: no, the schedule is only kept in memory on the master backend
[17:20:26] wagnerrp: you cannot do any form of scheduling without the master backend
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[17:22:20] frederik1986: ok thx
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[17:51:33] Beirdo: wagnerrp: yes it is... I added a dreaded setting for it :)
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[18:00:31] wagnerrp: im looking at the code, and wondering if the setting actually does anything
[18:00:46] Beirdo: it does
[18:01:09] Beirdo: if you set it to 0, it disables the experimental speedups
[18:01:26] wagnerrp: ok, since it decides with GetNumSetting (a local command), and the setting is a GlobalCheckBox
[18:01:55] wagnerrp: was wondering if one used a local per-machine setting, and the other controlled a global (NULL) setting
[18:01:56] Beirdo: GetNumSetting checks local, then global, IIRC
[18:02:13] wagnerrp: ah, must have misread it
[18:02:24] Beirdo: but I just woke up :)
[18:02:37] wagnerrp: was just looking at it in relation to 'commercial flagging broken since upgrading to trunk'
[18:02:45] wagnerrp: only thing left is an ffmpeg sync
[18:03:19] Beirdo: well, it flags pretty well here
[18:03:27] wagnerrp: hes a brit
[18:03:33] Beirdo: I see only a few recordings that barf
[18:03:36] wagnerrp: i was under the impression it never worked well over there
[18:03:46] Beirdo: yeah, that's my impression too
[18:04:25] Beirdo: WTH is MythPodcaster, and why does someone want us to support it?
[18:04:57] wagnerrp: where is someone talking about it?
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[18:05:10] Beirdo: on the -lusers list
[18:05:19] wagnerrp: oh, right... see it now
[18:06:27] wagnerrp: its pretty actively developed
[18:07:07] Beirdo: well then they should have their own mailing list somewhere :)
[18:07:37] wagnerrp: http://code.google.com/p/mythpodcaster/issues/list
[18:07:54] Beirdo: cool. We should point the user in question to there
[18:07:55] Beirdo: :)
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[18:08:56] wagnerrp: and yeah, all ivtv stuff supports raw access
[18:09:25] Beirdo: yup
[18:09:39] Beirdo: shouldn't be used in the context of myth though
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[18:09:53] wagnerrp: seems i lost an episode of BSG
[18:10:04] wagnerrp: the /single/ non-functional non-WB disk
[18:10:05] Beirdo: unless you like pain... or are testing software encoding :)
[18:10:55] wagnerrp: lets see if the image ripper does better than direct file access
[18:11:06] Beirdo: how odd
[18:11:11] wagnerrp: and i grabbed an old version of the code, from like a year and a half ago
[18:11:17] Beirdo: for my new frontend box...
[18:11:20] wagnerrp: same problem, so its not a regression
[18:11:24] wagnerrp: seems a real disk issue
[18:11:31] Beirdo: the case is shipping from CA
[18:11:35] Beirdo: the rest from TN
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[18:13:01] Beirdo: and who knows where Amazon will ship the VFD/Volume/IR thingy from
[18:13:20] Beirdo: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001B8Y09C/ref=ox_ya_os_product
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[18:14:44] Beirdo: Excellent peice of a must have accessory for a Home Theatre Personal Computer. People using the computer to watch movies must have one installed at the earliest. Amazing features makes movie watching a pleasure.
[18:14:52] Beirdo: nice useless review, Amazon!
[18:15:15] Beirdo: how does having a VFD make movie-watching a pleasure/!
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[18:27:06] wagnerrp: it lets you know where you are in the movie without poping up the OSD
[18:27:20] Beirdo: heh
[18:27:20] wagnerrp: for those movies that are so tediously boring that you cant wait until the end
[18:27:27] Beirdo: I guess
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[18:29:03] Beirdo: OK, time to go eat, then go to REI
[18:29:13] wagnerrp: REO?
[18:29:42] Beirdo: then when I get back, I'll look at seeing if I can't figure out what is the issue with #7978
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[18:30:05] sphery: Speedwagon?
[18:30:05] Beirdo: camping gear, not speedwagons :)
[18:30:23] wagnerrp: you have something about speedwagons?
[18:30:35] peteforsyth: hi folks --
[18:31:07] peteforsyth: I'm trying to set up a new MythBuntu installation, just got a PVR-150..having trouble getting it recognized.
[18:31:21] sphery: When you get the camping gear, do you take it on the road, Beirdo ?
[18:31:23] peteforsyth: anybody able to help?
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[18:33:15] wagnerrp: peteforsyth: do you have a /dev/video0?
[18:33:23] peteforsyth: yes--
[18:33:35] sphery: and not recognized means?
[18:33:53] peteforsyth: wagnerrp: you were helping me last week — I still have the crappy card you told me to skip installed at /dev/video0
[18:33:59] peteforsyth: so I tried to install this at /dev/video1
[18:34:00] sphery: heh, should have been take it on the run
[18:34:18] peteforsyth: if it will help, I'll take out the other card. Not sure if that confuses things.
[18:34:36] sphery: it will likely make things much easier to take it out
[18:34:56] sphery: otherwise, you have to configure your system such that the 2 cards always get the same device number on every boot
[18:35:08] sphery: which isn't worth doing if you're not using the other card
[18:35:18] peteforsyth: OK, I'll do that — take me a minute to reboot etc.
[18:35:20] sphery: (which is not worth using if it's a framegrabber)
[18:35:35] peteforsyth: In the longer run, it seems like it would be nice to keep both installed, so I can use the crappy one with tvtime
[18:35:38] peteforsyth: but it's not a major concern.
[18:35:55] wagnerrp: does anyone understand the fascination with the Saw movies?
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[18:36:27] sphery: definitely not nearly as good as some people seem to think
[18:36:39] peteforsyth: yes, it's a framegrabber. taking it out now.
[18:36:44] sphery: I only watch them for tradition
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[18:41:27] peteforsyth: OK, old card gone.
[18:42:01] peteforsyth: lsmod shows ivtv
[18:42:44] sphery: and still a /dev/video0
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[18:43:15] sphery: if so, just go into mythtv-setup and choose the MPEG-2 encoder card type (might say something about PVR-x50 or ivtv or something)
[18:43:17] peteforsyth: what's the best way to determine that? mythbackend setup?
[18:43:22] sphery: and you should be good
[18:43:25] sphery: ls works
[18:43:29] sphery: ls -l /dev/video*
[18:43:51] sphery: and while doing that make sure that the permissions on the card are sufficient for the user running mythbackend
[18:44:47] peteforsyth: video0, video24, and video32 all exist
[18:45:02] peteforsyth: hmm. the permissions on all three are rw_rw____
[18:45:15] sphery: with group video?
[18:45:19] peteforsyth: not sure what permissions are needed.
[18:45:34] sphery: if it's group video, then run: groups mythtv
[18:45:34] peteforsyth: I believe group is "root" but I'm not so great with this stuff
[18:45:51] sphery: can paste the ls -l output of a single line (video0) here
[18:46:00] peteforsyth: the line says crw-rw--- + 1 root video 81........
[18:46:10] sphery: that's grout video
[18:46:14] peteforsyth: sorry, i'm on another machine --
[18:46:17] peteforsyth: OK cool.
[18:46:34] peteforsyth: so now I should type groups mythtv?
[18:46:40] sphery: and does the following (assuming mythtv user runs mythbackend) contain video: groups mythtv
[18:47:10] peteforsyth: yes, it does.
[18:47:21] sphery: then you should be good
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[18:47:25] peteforsyth: mythtv dialout cdrom audio video
[18:47:29] peteforsyth: hm.
[18:47:32] sphery: go into mythtv-setup, choose the MPEG-2 encoder card type (might say something about PVR-x50 or ivtv or something), and enjoy
[18:47:51] sphery: gotta go... I'm late for a beach party
[18:48:02] peteforsyth: dang..almost there :)
[18:48:04] sphery: I'll leave you in the capable hands of others here
[18:48:10] peteforsyth: thanks for the help, hopefully I can take it from here.
[18:48:14] peteforsyth: have fun at the beach!!
[18:49:21] peteforsyth: so wagnerrp maybe you can interpret this bit — I think there may still be a vestige of my framegrabber, even though I physically removed it...
[18:49:35] peteforsyth: under "capture cards" in mythtv-setup, it lists 2 cards.
[18:49:43] wagnerrp: do delete them
[18:49:48] peteforsyth: [V4L : /dev/video0]
[18:49:53] wagnerrp: *so
[18:50:01] peteforsyth: [mpeg : /dev/video1]
[18:51:00] wagnerrp: it seems like you had it set up properly before
[18:51:12] wagnerrp: assuming the framegrabber showed up first, and the ivtv card showed up second
[18:51:18] peteforsyth: OK..but no output — not sure what is the next step?
[18:51:37] wagnerrp: plug both cards in
[18:51:37] wagnerrp: reboot
[18:51:52] wagnerrp: check your dmesg to see which device node the ivtv driver grabs
[18:51:58] peteforsyth: OK. well I deleted all like you said, so I'll have to set up again--
[18:52:12] peteforsyth: OK, I'm on it. brb :)
[18:52:18] wagnerrp: you will have one framegrabber node, and one mpeg node
[18:52:48] wagnerrp: and dmesg will tell you which is which
[18:52:52] peteforsyth: ok. I think that's what I want.
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[19:04:48] peteforsyth: so it's back up. I'm quitting myth frontend
[19:05:54] peteforsyth: wagnerrp: dmseg does list both BT and IXTV
[19:06:08] peteforsyth: but, not sure how to interpret what I see.
[19:06:17] wagnerrp: now go into mythtv-setup, and add an MPEG encoder card
[19:06:22] wagnerrp: it will autodetect the right device
[19:06:31] peteforsyth: ok
[19:07:08] peteforsyth: I'm going to delete the one I have left in there first..
[19:08:34] peteforsyth: hmm, so here I think is where I'm going wrong.
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[19:08:54] peteforsyth: I add one, it auto-detects and I end up with [V4L : /dev/video0 ]
[19:09:13] peteforsyth: but adding the next one, I'm not exactly sure how to do it. I go to "new capture card"
[19:09:32] wagnerrp: no
[19:09:39] wagnerrp: dont bother with the V4L card
[19:09:42] wagnerrp: youre not going to use it
[19:09:43] peteforsyth: and the next screen shows the info for the framegrabber. "analog v4l capture card type"
[19:09:45] wagnerrp: delete it
[19:09:47] peteforsyth: OK
[19:09:51] wagnerrp: add an MPEG card
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[19:10:18] peteforsyth: all deleted. Now I go to "new cap card"
[19:10:32] peteforsyth: and it sees analag v4l, and /dev/video0
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[19:10:53] peteforsyth: ah! but it DOES see it as pvr-150
[19:10:54] wagnerrp: no, you want to add an mpeg type
[19:10:56] wagnerrp: not v4l
[19:11:00] peteforsyth: so this is NOT the framegrabber, I was wrong
[19:11:04] peteforsyth: OK
[19:11:07] wagnerrp: the dropdown at the top of the page
[19:11:11] wagnerrp: change it to mpeg
[19:11:24] peteforsyth: ivtv mpeg2 encoder card?
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[19:11:29] wagnerrp: yes
[19:11:40] peteforsyth: k, done
[19:11:50] wagnerrp: and it should pick up the proper card
[19:12:01] peteforsyth: then do I need to do anythign else in mythtv-setup, like "video sources" or"input connections"
[19:12:10] peteforsyth: or just go straight to the frontend?
[19:12:52] wagnerrp: yes, you need to attach your analog lineup to the tuner input on your -150
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[19:13:03] peteforsyth: yeah, I have it attached
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[19:13:13] peteforsyth: I need to figure out how to tune the card to channel 3
[19:13:14] wagnerrp: then thats it
[19:13:23] wagnerrp: you havent added channels yet?
[19:13:43] peteforsyth: it asks if I want to run mythfilldatabase
[19:13:56] wagnerrp: do you have any channels in your lineup?
[19:13:58] peteforsyth: no — I couldn't interact with the card, right?
[19:14:11] wagnerrp: and why do you specifically want channel 3
[19:14:15] peteforsyth: I have a cable box attached, I think I need to use the remote with that to change channels
[19:14:19] wagnerrp: does that mean youre capturing the output from a box?
[19:14:21] peteforsyth: channel 3 to see the cable box...
[19:14:25] peteforsyth: yes
[19:14:41] wagnerrp: does your cable box not have baseband video outputs? (svideo, composite)
[19:14:54] peteforsyth: it does have those
[19:15:00] peteforsyth: not svideo actually
[19:15:03] peteforsyth: but composite
[19:15:15] peteforsyth: should I be using that??
[19:15:16] wagnerrp: then use composite, not the tuner/modulator
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[19:15:37] peteforsyth: OK. digging for RCA cable
[19:15:50] wagnerrp: audio too
[19:16:01] peteforsyth: yup, OK.
[19:16:05] peteforsyth: got the cable.
[19:16:06] wagnerrp: are you in north america?
[19:16:09] peteforsyth: yes
[19:16:32] wagnerrp: so you have a schedules direct account?
[19:16:58] peteforsyth: it's comcast digital, the most basic of those
[19:17:08] peteforsyth: not sure what "schedules direct" is
[19:17:24] wagnerrp: schedules direct is how you get guide listings in north america
[19:17:29] peteforsyth: ah
[19:17:33] wagnerrp: schedulesdircet.com
[19:17:39] wagnerrp: schedulesdirect.com
[19:17:44] peteforsyth: that sounds right..I mean, it provides channel listings etc. I'll look that up
[19:17:54] peteforsyth: digging for audio adapter, brb
[19:19:05] wagnerrp: anyway...
[19:19:07] peteforsyth: ok, all hooked up on composite.
[19:19:16] wagnerrp: youll want to use the composite 1 input
[19:19:19] peteforsyth: launching mythfrontend now
[19:19:25] wagnerrp: youll need to set up a channel changer, IR or serial
[19:19:33] wagnerrp: for now, you can use '/bin/true' as your channel changer
[19:19:51] peteforsyth: it came with a remote and a dongle IR sensor
[19:19:54] wagnerrp: set up a SD account, add a lineup to that account
[19:20:00] peteforsyth: aaah
[19:20:04] wagnerrp: set up mythtv with that account and pull that lineup to the source you have set up
[19:20:08] peteforsyth: OK, this is starting to make sense.
[19:21:10] peteforsyth: so let me see, if I can distill a step-by-step here so I don't waste your time....
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[19:21:34] peteforsyth: (1) sign up for SD account on their web site
[19:21:45] peteforsyth: (2) create a profile that matches the Comcast account we have
[19:21:56] wagnerrp: you can get a 7-day trial, and considering you get 2 weeks at a time
[19:22:05] wagnerrp: that gets you 3 weeks before youre out of guide data
[19:22:09] peteforsyth: ah, this will be a pay service?
[19:22:14] peteforsyth: ok
[19:22:16] wagnerrp: $20/yr
[19:22:21] peteforsyth: manageable.
[19:22:43] peteforsyth: but the part I'm unclear on: how do I then get that info into the MythTV box?
[19:22:45] wagnerrp: we used to get free listings from zap2it (tribune media services)
[19:22:52] wagnerrp: but that got abused by commercial programs
[19:22:57] wagnerrp: so TMS discontinued it
[19:23:22] wagnerrp: and SD was set up by mythtv, xmltv, and a handful of other open source projects to license inexpensive guide data in its place
[19:23:35] peteforsyth: is there a way for me to test if this is generally working, before signing up for the account etc?
[19:23:43] peteforsyth: k
[19:23:45] wagnerrp: yes, you sign up for the free trial
[19:23:50] peteforsyth: ok
[19:23:53] peteforsyth: brb :)
[19:24:12] wagnerrp: in the source setup, there will be options to give it your SD account, and then it will let you choose what lineup to pull and use
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[19:29:04] peteforsyth: OK, all signed up!
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[19:29:21] peteforsyth: so now I gotta tell mythtv my login info somehow, right?
[19:30:21] wagnerrp: its in the source setup
[19:30:55] peteforsyth: k. back end setup, i presume...looking
[19:31:02] wagnerrp: mythtv-setup, yes
[19:34:04] peteforsyth: got it, ok, it's entered.
[19:34:20] peteforsyth: anything I need to do in input connections?
[19:34:31] peteforsyth: everything points to -> (None)
[19:34:37] wagnerrp: map the source to the 'composite 1' input
[19:35:19] peteforsyth: hmm
[19:35:22] peteforsyth: not sure how to do that.
[19:36:00] wagnerrp: click on 'composite 1', and make the necessary changes in that page
[19:36:30] peteforsyth: OK, but it's not clear to me what the needed changes are.
[19:36:46] peteforsyth: capture device: MPEG /dev/video0
[19:36:53] peteforsyth: input: composite 1
[19:37:17] peteforsyth: ah, think I"ve got it!
[19:37:23] peteforsyth: scanning for channels
[19:37:27] wagnerrp: no
[19:37:30] wagnerrp: dont scan for channels
[19:37:32] wagnerrp: pull from SD
[19:37:39] peteforsyth: aaaah right
[19:38:18] peteforsyth: input priority, input group...?
[19:38:27] wagnerrp: dont mess with those
[19:38:30] peteforsyth: k
[19:38:56] peteforsyth: I think somehow the source I added did not save my login info. entering again
[19:41:24] peteforsyth: so...I think I got that set up, do I have to do somethign in the channel editor now?
[19:41:47] peteforsyth: if I try to exit mythtv-setup, it says I have it set to start on a channel that doesn't exist.
[19:45:49] peteforsyth: "Card 4 (type composite 1) is set to start on channel Please add, which does not exist. Do you want to go back and fix this problem?
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[19:46:45] gabriel: Hi!
[19:46:47] peteforsyth: I think I am missing something, I add my login name/pass under "new video source" and add a name, and check for listtings… save that source..however when I go back in, I don't see my login name.
[19:46:56] wagnerrp: why do you want to run mythtv on an ARM?
[19:47:00] gabriel: Is possible compile or get a version of mythtv for ARM architecture (beagleboard) ? What's the most simple method to do it?
[19:47:08] wagnerrp: ah, beagleboard
[19:47:15] jannau: gabriel: angstrom
[19:47:23] wagnerrp: the beagleboard does not have enough power to do video decoding and display without use of the DSP
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[19:47:31] gabriel: yeah! we have an angstrom running over a beagleboard
[19:47:32] wagnerrp: and mythtv does not currently support that DSP
[19:48:00] wagnerrp: peteforsyth: you have to tell it to pull the lineup for that listing
[19:48:05] jannau: wagnerrp: that's not true, it has enough power for mpeg2 and mpeg4 asp in SD
[19:48:20] wagnerrp: well sure... standard definition
[19:48:26] peteforsyth: yes, I did that — and it ran a progress bar...think it retrieved it, but is somehow not saving it?
[19:48:30] wagnerrp: but its not going to do anything like the XBMC demos running ont it
[19:48:35] peteforsyth: or I'm not telling it where/how to save it properly..?
[19:48:38] gabriel: jannau, do you know how to get a version of mythtv for angstrom?
[19:49:43] wagnerrp: gabriel: theres some distro some guy put together for sheeva systems
[19:49:53] wagnerrp: but i dont know if that binary would be directly compatible
[19:49:54] peteforsyth: oh — I think I got it this time.....
[19:50:04] jannau: gabriel: there should be one in the feed, if not you can use http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/ to build an image which contains mythtv
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[19:50:17] peteforsyth: looking better! not sure what I did different....
[19:50:33] gabriel: thanks! I will check that information
[19:50:42] psymin: is there a file like /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils//examples/scan/dvb-t/au-sydney_north_shore for US?
[19:51:02] wagnerrp: psymin: use the internal scanner instead
[19:51:50] psymin: wagnerrp, -c ?
[19:51:59] wagnerrp: mythtv-setup
[19:52:07] jannau: userspace binaries from the sheeva will run on the beagleboard, but video decoding will suck compared to an armv7 + neon build
[19:55:55] psymin: alrighty .. where should I idle to ask for info on how to do it outside of mythtv?
[19:56:17] peteforsyth: so I think I'm good now, thanks wagnerrp and gabriel — it's taking a long time to run mythfilldatabase, but seems like it's doing "real work" for once :)
[19:56:37] wagnerrp: the dvb-tools package is maintained by the linuxtv project
[19:58:07] peteforsyth: wagnerrp: I'm curious, is it possible to use the composite out, and the coax out, from my cable box to watch 2 channels at once on different devices?? in other words — can I now plug the coax into a tv and be able to watch one channel, while recording another?
[19:58:26] wagnerrp: peteforsyth: almost certainly no
[19:58:31] peteforsyth: ah
[19:58:38] peteforsyth: oh well, was worth a shot =)
[19:58:47] wagnerrp: the cable boxes themselves may do that
[19:58:53] wagnerrp: where they have one tuner for viewing
[19:59:00] wagnerrp: and one tuner for their own internal DVR
[19:59:09] peteforsyth: OK. no, this is a very simple one, no DVR
[19:59:20] wagnerrp: and some directtv units are set up to output to multiple rooms
[19:59:28] peteforsyth: but with the coax, I thought I was using my pvr-150 as the tuner?
[19:59:29] wagnerrp: but ive never heard of a cable box designed to do that
[19:59:35] peteforsyth: ok
[19:59:41] wagnerrp: no, you are using the cable box as the tuner
[19:59:57] peteforsyth: ok. the pvr-150 is just telling it what channel to tune to, then?
[19:59:57] wagnerrp: which it is then remodulating over channel 3, and then demodulating with the -150 for capture
[20:00:05] gabriel: Checking with the package browser of angstrom...exists a compiled version of mythtv...thanks guys...
[20:00:18] peteforsyth: ok, I think I understand.
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[20:00:31] wagnerrp: that extra mod/demod means tuner capture will be noticeably lower quality than just straight video capture using composite/svideo
[20:00:39] wagnerrp: which means it should only be used as a last resort
[20:01:30] peteforsyth: ah, ok.
[20:01:51] peteforsyth: last resort, like the old CRT in the kitchen we've been using it with =)
[20:06:32] peteforsyth: hmm, I guess I'm supposed to make a pot of coffee while mythfilldatabase runs..this is taking a while!
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[20:07:20] gbee: it can take a while, especially on the first run, it's a lot of data that needs parsing and inserting into the database
[20:08:01] peteforsyth: cool, thanks gbee . Definitely happy to see it taking time, it's, you know, something like proof that something is really happening.
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[20:16:53] peteforsyth: ooooooooh tveeeee!!
[20:17:06] peteforsyth: iowa-michigan game no less!!
[20:17:19] peteforsyth: you guys rock, thanks much for the help. !!
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[20:22:15] peteforsyth: hmm. MythTV cannot change the channels
[20:22:25] peteforsyth: still have to use cable remote.
[20:22:36] wagnerrp: no it cant, because you havent set up a channel change script
[20:22:45] wagnerrp: you have bypassed it by giving it '/bin/true'
[20:22:54] peteforsyth: ah
[20:23:02] peteforsyth: is there a howto I can follow for that?
[20:23:23] peteforsyth: don't wanna take up too much of your time
[20:23:47] peteforsyth: and, I should probably get to some other things right now.
[20:24:04] wagnerrp: never used an ir blaster or external channel changer
[20:24:25] peteforsyth: nope
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[20:24:52] wagnerrp: no, i havent
[20:24:55] wagnerrp: so i cant help you
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[20:26:57] peteforsyth: oh, gotcha. Well, again, thanks so much for the help!
[20:27:19] peteforsyth: I'm a litlte confused though, how does the SD account help me if I can't use Myth to change channels?
[20:27:40] wagnerrp: at the moment it doesnt
[20:27:42] peteforsyth: wouldn't there be a way to just set the composite to channel 3, and use the cable-tv remote like I always have?
[20:27:50] wagnerrp: of course at the moment, your mythtv setup is pretty well broken
[20:27:50] peteforsyth: ah. but if I can get the script figured out....
[20:28:03] peteforsyth: broken?
[20:28:15] wagnerrp: you need to set up an ir blaster (or serial if thats an option) before mythtv will properly function
[20:28:15] peteforsyth: so what do I have to fix — anything besides that script?
[20:28:26] peteforsyth: hmmm.
[20:28:39] peteforsyth: OK, well that gives me something to read up on.
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[20:34:45] peteforsyth: I'll also need to figure out how to connect to the backend from another computer..that doesn't seem to e working.
[20:35:43] messerting: Hi, I'm trying to compile 0.22-fixes from svn on Fedora, but have problems with MythMusic. Tried to follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_SVN_on_Fedora which is outdated
[20:35:56] messerting: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_SVN_on_Fedora which is outdated, but still have missing dependencies
[20:36:08] wagnerrp: peteforsyth: you probably have your backend set up to listen on 127.0.0.1
[20:36:14] peteforsyth: ah
[20:36:20] wagnerrp: messerting: why not 0.23-fixes?
[20:36:36] messerting: wagnerrp: er, type – I mean 0.23 :)
[20:36:59] wagnerrp: and no one has updated fedora builds for 0.23?
[20:37:26] messerting: wagnerrp: well, I went straight to svn
[20:37:35] messerting: haven't tried the packages yet
[20:37:56] messerting: usually there are some quirks, and I like to build it myself
[20:38:16] peteforsyth: wagnerrp: not seeing where to change that setting.
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[20:38:20] messerting: the configure in MythMusic isn't giving much info on what exactly is missing
[20:38:26] wagnerrp: mythtv-setup, first section, first page
[20:38:33] peteforsyth: k
[20:40:08] wagnerrp: kormoc_afk: all the cool kids use ruby
[20:40:18] peteforsyth: changed to the local ip address...but my client front end still (looks like it) says "cannot log in"
[20:40:19] messerting: MythMusic complains about missing libcdaudio, but I've got libcdaudio, libcdaudio-devel.x86_64
[20:40:27] peteforsyth: text is messed up/crashes into button
[20:40:44] wagnerrp: peteforsyth: you changed that setting in both fields?
[20:40:49] wagnerrp: have you restarted your backend?
[20:41:03] peteforsyth: ah — not both fields, no.
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[20:41:14] peteforsyth: and no, did not restart.
[20:41:23] peteforsyth: sorry, not sure how to restart short of rebooting whole machine
[20:41:35] wagnerrp: the backend ip defines what address the backend will listen to
[20:41:46] wagnerrp: the master ip selects which backend will operate as the master
[20:41:52] peteforsyth: ok.
[20:41:59] wagnerrp: and you use your init scripts to restart mythtv
[20:42:03] peteforsyth: I had only changed backend, figured that master should refer to itself...
[20:42:48] wagnerrp: basically, it just does a check if MasterServerIP==BackendServerIP; run_as_master
[20:42:49] peteforsyth: hm, init scripts -- ?
[20:42:52] peteforsyth: ok
[20:43:38] peteforsyth: not sure what you mean by init scripts.
[20:43:51] wagnerrp: scripts that run during init
[20:44:27] wagnerrp: if you need more than that, you should probably seek assistance from your distro
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[20:44:32] wagnerrp: as each does it differently
[20:44:51] peteforsyth: OK. I'll just reboot for now :)
[20:45:12] peteforsyth: not ideal I know, but it gets me where I need to be, right?
[20:45:32] wagnerrp: are you using mythbuntu?
[20:45:35] peteforsyth: yes
[20:45:42] wagnerrp: mythbuntu wraps mythtv-setup
[20:45:50] wagnerrp: so it automatically stops the backend when you run it
[20:45:54] wagnerrp: and starts it back up when you exit
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[20:46:01] peteforsyth: OK, that's what I thought.
[20:46:11] peteforsyth: the warning dialogs explain that
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[20:52:27] peteforsyth: well, this is a problem now...changing to the LAN IP didn't work, but now switching back to 127.0.0.1 does not work either
[20:52:43] peteforsyth: front end on the Myth box says "could not connect to the master backend server"
[20:53:20] wagnerrp: you have both set to the same thing?
[20:53:27] wagnerrp: the backend is running? (ps ax | grep myth)
[20:54:37] peteforsyth: mythbackend appears to be running
[20:54:48] peteforsyth: yes, both set to 127.0.0.1
[20:54:55] peteforsyth: I'll double-check...
[20:55:50] peteforsyth: Is there supposed to be something under "port" on the Local Backend?
[20:56:00] peteforsyth: I think I may have accidentally deleted a value there....
[20:56:00] wagnerrp: it should be 6543
[20:57:52] peteforsyth: hmmm
[20:58:12] peteforsyth: back to an earlier problem, I wonder if my settings from before the reboot did not get saved.
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[20:58:33] peteforsyth: watch tv -> "error" mythtv is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"
[20:59:06] wagnerrp: it was working before, right?
[20:59:12] peteforsyth: yes
[20:59:28] peteforsyth: i"ll go back and check the things you walked me through.
[21:00:59] peteforsyth: it lost the source <-> input connection somehow.
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[21:02:50] peteforsyth: OK, running mythfill again. I'm gonna go out--
[21:02:59] peteforsyth: on my to-do list is
[21:03:04] peteforsyth: (1) figure out IR-blaster
[21:03:22] peteforsyth: (2) do some network design (assign a static IP to this box)
[21:03:35] peteforsyth: (3) get a wifi card for this box, or figure out how to get it on wired network
[21:03:52] peteforsyth: (4) figure out how to get other frontends to connect to it
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[21:03:59] wagnerrp: wired
[21:04:18] peteforsyth: (5) figure out why it lost the connection from source <-> input and make it not do so on reboots in the future
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[21:04:27] wagnerrp: you dont want to put a frontend on wireless
[21:04:38] peteforsyth: yeah, for sure wired is ideal...but it's gonna take some doing :)
[21:04:42] wagnerrp: you absolutely dont want to put a backend on wireless if youre going to be connecting frontends to it
[21:04:57] peteforsyth: OK, backend – frontent connection must be both wired, huh?
[21:05:21] xand: don't use wifi it's too slow
[21:05:23] peteforsyth: that will be a longer-term project, just getting this thing to work stand-alone will be a fairly big accomplishment.
[21:05:31] wagnerrp: mythtv is designed to run on reliable networks
[21:05:35] wagnerrp: wireless is not
[21:05:41] peteforsyth: (will take some work to get this apartment wired up)
[21:05:46] peteforsyth: sure, makes sense.
[21:05:51] wagnerrp: standalone systems dont matter, since there is no network needed besides guide data
[21:05:56] peteforsyth: right
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[21:06:08] peteforsyth: so, getting a wireless card will be sufficient in the short-term for that.
[21:06:21] wagnerrp: but for wireless frontends, you will get unavoidable droppage, which will cause disruption of playback
[21:06:36] peteforsyth: ok
[21:06:36] wagnerrp: and wireless doesnt even have the bandwidth to handle more than one or two frontends
[21:06:43] peteforsyth: even with non-HD recordings?
[21:07:30] wagnerrp: B is going to get you ~5mbps, G will be 15–20mbps
[21:07:32] peteforsyth: OK, I bow to your expertise :) as I said, just getting this to work standalone is a big step for me..so I can live with holding off till we figure out how to string ethernet thru the apartment.
[21:07:50] wagnerrp: a SD recording will be ~4–6mbps, and an HD 12–18mbps
[21:08:03] peteforsyth: my laptop has N (though our base station doesn't yet)
[21:08:12] wagnerrp: N will give you a bit more headroom
[21:08:23] wagnerrp: but youre still going to suffer from periodic dropouts
[21:08:40] peteforsyth: OK. So it's conceivable that running one front end via wireless, with SD, *might* work
[21:08:53] peteforsyth: that's enough to justify some experimentation, if nothing else!
[21:09:16] peteforsyth: other than that, does my list sound about right to you?
[21:09:20] wagnerrp: it will work, but you will have dropouts
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[21:09:36] wagnerrp: sounds good
[21:09:46] wagnerrp: static ip is a must
[21:09:57] peteforsyth: OK. thanks again for your help, I'm very encouraged by all this.
[21:10:00] wagnerrp: either through local configs, or statically defined on your dhcp server
[21:10:03] peteforsyth: Yes, of course — will do.
[21:10:08] peteforsyth: OK.
[21:10:35] peteforsyth: Getting a new router, so may hold off on that and handle via DHCP server as you point out — I think that's viable
[21:10:47] k-man: fwiw, a friend runs the fe over a wireless n network, it works fine even with HD but his access point has to be directly above the FE (in the attick)
[21:11:22] wagnerrp: 2.4 or 5?
[21:11:29] peteforsyth: k-man: thanks for the feedback. sounds worth a shot, since this is SD
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[21:14:10] peteforsyth: bye all, thanks again
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[21:19:58] Shadow__X: i cant stream hd to fe over wireless but, its wireless n and its on os x. The wireless n drivers i have tried to use in os x did not normally work out as i would of hoped
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[21:43:46] wagnerrp: should #8843 really be a blocker?
[21:44:02] wagnerrp: i mean its certainly a nuisance, but nothing is really broken
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[22:00:31] Baylink: QUERY: If I'm building svn 23-fixes, at what point in the build cycle must I down the running servers? Can I wait as late as 'make install'?
[22:00:53] Baylink: It's hard out here for a pimp-with-no-devbox
[22:01:46] wagnerrp: Baylink: you must take down the running servers at some point before a commflag/transcode/previewgeneration process gets called
[22:02:14] wagnerrp: remember, this is linux
[22:02:23] wagnerrp: running processes are entirely cached in memory
[22:02:47] wagnerrp: you can delete the install out from under mythtv and it couldnt care
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[22:06:11] Baylink: Rog. So "just prior to make-install' is good enough. Back In the Old Days, there were "which libraries are visible to the make process" issues that required you to down the old ones before *compiling* the new ones, but I don't recall the details.
[22:06:21] Baylink: I probably documented the process on the wiki at some point.
[22:07:06] wagnerrp: ive had that issue on freebsd, since i have to force some include paths to get lame recognized
[22:07:08] Baylink: And in fact, that's only true cause none of the binaries are compiled 'shared text', which would preclude them being deleted while they were running, wagnerrp.  :-)
[22:07:14] wagnerrp: but ive never seen it on my gentoo systems
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[22:08:15] Baylink: I *think* the problem had to do with which library bindings were chosen when compiling parts of the system, and if you had the old code either visible or running, it would pick the wrong one. It cropped up in .21, I think; and broke my older automatic build script.
[22:08:28] Baylink: Mighta been .20
[22:08:37] Baylink: I think our first install was .17
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[22:34:27] EdWyse_Home: I paid for schedulesdirect, set it up, scanned all my channels, did mythfilldatabase and now I have listings and channels, but they don't match. Is there a way to fix that?
[22:34:42] wagnerrp: EdWyse_Home: analog or digital?
[22:34:50] EdWyse_Home: digital
[22:35:05] wagnerrp: with a digital tuner? or captured through a digital cable box?
[22:35:36] EdWyse_Home: hvr-2250
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[22:36:26] wagnerrp: thats a card, not an answer
[22:36:35] wagnerrp: that card has both digital tuners, analog tuners, and analog capture
[22:37:36] Baylink: This page ( http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2 ) says that 0-22-fixes is the current release; is that just a failure to update?
[22:37:44] EdWyse_Home: digital, tuner, not cable box,
[22:38:24] wagnerrp: EdWyse_Home: schedules direct does not have sufficient information to pull a channel lineup, so you were correct in scanning
[22:38:44] wagnerrp: any named channels, such as the local broadcast, are typically matched and set up automatically by mythfilldatabase
[22:38:57] wagnerrp: anything else, you will need to figure out what they are, and manually set the xmltvid in the channel editor
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[22:39:13] wagnerrp: in your lineup on the schedules direct website, if you mouse over a channel, the popup will display the xmltvid
[22:39:59] Baylink: wagnerrp: What I was remembering was that at some point in the release chain, .21, I think, you started having to *install* the base code before you should *build* the addons; before that, their compilation did not depend on what version of the base was installed.
[22:40:15] Baylink: I'm assuming that's still true.
[22:40:16] EdWyse_Home: I remember once a couple years ago, I stumbled across a page that showed a snapshot image from active broadcasts which would be helpful in identifying a channel. Do you know what that was that I'm remembering?
[22:40:20] wagnerrp: Baylink: that is still the case
[22:40:34] wagnerrp: EdWyse_Home: the silicon dust channel listings?
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[22:41:06] Baylink: That vastly broadened the downtime when installing from source.
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[22:42:33] wagnerrp: but there is no downtime
[22:42:36] EdWyse_Home: That's the concept I was looking for, thanks.
[22:42:46] wagnerrp: you can uninstall the existing install, and continue running it
[22:43:01] wagnerrp: build the base, install, build and install the plugins
[22:43:06] wagnerrp: then restart the backend and frontend
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[22:47:02] Baylink: Hmmm.
[22:47:13] Baylink: That seems dangkerous.  ;-)
[22:47:33] Baylink: At the moment, though, my build can't find lame, even though I just zypped it in. Checking why
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[22:52:07] knightr: Baylink, maybe you are missing a -devel package?
[22:53:15] knightr: (or something similar for your Linux distribution..)
[22:54:16] Baylink: I tried that, and there doesn't appear to be a -devel for that. It wants lame/lame.h; I'm rebuilding the slocate db now
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[22:58:23] Baylink: Nope, I don't have a lame.h. Off to find out why.
[22:59:09] knightr: Baylink, in my case, a RH derivative, that is provided by a -devel package, which distribution do you have?
[22:59:24] skd5aner: iamlindoro: thanks for the typo fix... at first when I was reading the diff on the wiki page, I thought you changed it to "local" from "locale" – but then realized I was the one who typed it wrong to begin with :)
[22:59:30] Baylink: Morons. "libmp3lame-devel"
[22:59:48] Baylink: I was looking for lame-devel
[23:00:23] knightr: Baylink, that's why I use wildcard when I am looking for a package... :)
[23:01:38] Baylink: I'm not sure that would have helped me here, but... :-)
[23:02:34] knightr: Baylink, with yum *lame*... There's a risk that it's going to get too much but then I cancel and know the package name I want to get...
[23:02:57] Baylink: That would probably be yum \*lame\*, actually; else the *shell* will expand them...
[23:02:58] knightr: oops, yum install *lame*
[23:02:59] Baylink: But yeah.
[23:03:45] ** Baylink is disappointed that acpi won't display temperatures in Rankine **
[23:03:56] Beirdo: sure it does
[23:04:05] Beirdo: just with an offset
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[23:05:24] Beirdo: of course, I'm more partial to Kelvin
[23:05:28] Baylink: !trout Beirdo
[23:05:28] ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of Baylink... **
[23:06:07] Beirdo: OK, back from REI
[23:06:39] Beirdo: got me a new sleeping bag (20% off can be significant when talking about down sleeping bags!)
[23:06:59] Beirdo: pair of boots, camping pillow...
[23:07:02] Beirdo: :)
[23:07:24] Baylink: I thought you were in PR; it gets that cold down there?
[23:07:36] Beirdo: I live in Seattle now :)
[23:07:41] Beirdo: and heck no
[23:07:43] Baylink: Um, oh
[23:07:50] Baylink: How'd that happen?
[23:07:55] wagnerrp: Baylink: those nights sleeping out on the dish get cold
[23:08:05] Beirdo: woman didn't wanna be my wife anymore..
[23:08:14] Beirdo: so, meh.
[23:08:28] Beirdo: now I'm single, far away, and enjoying life
[23:09:05] Baylink: Oh my. I am happy and sad for you.
[23:09:47] Beirdo: I'll survive. And yeah, I need the sleeping bag, it gets mighty cold here at night, and we're goin camping
[23:10:20] Beirdo: 20% off came to about $50 :)
[23:10:34] Baylink: I can imagine, on both counts.
[23:11:04] Beirdo: they had one for $420, can you believe it?!
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[23:11:17] Baylink: Yikes-a-ma
[23:11:30] Baylink: I'll stick with my heated waterbed, thanks
[23:11:41] Beirdo: heh
[23:11:50] Beirdo: that would be a pain to take camping
[23:12:10] ** wagnerrp wonders why Beirdo cant just use the heatpump **
[23:12:29] Beirdo: hmm?
[23:12:34] wagnerrp: or furnace, or electric strip, when he goes camping
[23:12:46] Beirdo: what's electricity?
[23:13:06] wagnerrp: the thing the generator makes
[23:13:23] Baylink: Heh
[23:13:26] Beirdo: hehe
[23:13:41] Baylink: And while we're on that topic
[23:13:43] Beirdo: ummm, this is not that kind of camping trip
[23:13:54] wagnerrp: have to carry extra gas though
[23:13:59] wagnerrp: the generator cuts off at quarter tank
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[23:14:05] Baylink: Here, have some fun: http://yarchive.net/car/rv/generator_synchronization.html
[23:14:14] wagnerrp: wouldnt want to strand yourself off in the woods
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[23:29:02] Baylink: Anyone know why src_sinc has taken 10 minutes so far to compile and ain't done yet?
[23:31:18] Baylink: In fact, it's locking up the box. Ping works, and I can interrupt it, but I can't even ssh in
[23:31:33] knightr: !seen RDV_Linux
[23:31:33] MythLogBot: RDV_Linux is here and has been idle for 5 hours 11 minutes 48 seconds
[23:37:34] Internat: wagnerrp: sorry just catching up.. how do i use tellnet to play a specific file?
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[23:38:03] wagnerrp: Baylink: why would one need multiple generators?
[23:38:20] wagnerrp: Internat, http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket#play
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[23:41:46] Baylink: The most common reason, as he notes, is when your average load is 80–90% of one genny, but you have an occasional load that's 100%+: running a twice-sized genny at 50% all the time, not the best solution. Interesting threads...
[23:41:57] Internat: oooh. i see. interesting
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[23:47:46] Baylink: That entire website (all archives of old Usenet threads) is really cool.
[23:48:50] wagnerrp: doesnt google have one of those?
[23:50:27] Baylink: Deja goo is pretty worthless, and also incomplete. And, as we predicted, everyone gave up on the project when they took over.
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