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| [00:00:14] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i cant think of anything besides a framegrabber that would be sucking up that much power on a backend |
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| [00:03:34] | iamlindoro: | Given his CPU choice it's not hard to imagine that it's paired with a framegrabber |
| [00:05:55] | wagnerrp: | im reading 4–5% (out of 200) on my 2.6GHz backend with a single digital recording |
| [00:06:16] | wagnerrp: | that probably is about 20–25% on a P3 900MHz |
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| [00:19:15] | Beirdo: | we do parse the streams as we record |
| [00:19:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, barely... |
| [00:19:38] | wagnerrp: | we only parse the container to pick out the keyframe index |
| [00:23:05] | wagnerrp: | jya: that is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen |
| [00:24:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, but even the bare parsing we do *does* give some CPU load :) |
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| [00:24:56] | Beirdo: | not 30–40%, I wouldn't think |
| [00:25:15] | Beirdo: | old archaic piece of crap |
| [00:25:27] | wagnerrp: | well like i said, i could believe 20–25 based off the loads im seeing |
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| [00:28:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, possibly |
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| [00:32:29] | wagnerrp: | interesting |
| [00:32:42] | wagnerrp: | i was trying to refresh mythweb, but it was just hanging there |
| [00:32:53] | Beirdo: | yeah? |
| [00:32:54] | wagnerrp: | as soon as i unmounted mythfs, the page reload went through |
| [00:33:06] | Beirdo: | you probably ran outta threadworkers |
| [00:33:28] | wagnerrp: | but... mythfs doesnt use the http server for anything |
| [00:33:31] | wagnerrp: | at least not directly |
| [00:33:43] | wagnerrp: | of course neither does mythweb as far as i know |
| [00:33:46] | Beirdo: | easy to check.. look at the backend logs |
| [00:33:54] | Beirdo: | and mythweb does in parts |
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| [00:34:14] | wagnerrp: | only for the screenshots |
| [00:34:20] | wagnerrp: | and those were already generated |
| [00:34:20] | Beirdo: | and the backend status |
| [00:34:29] | wagnerrp: | i wasnt pulling up the backend status |
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| [00:34:52] | Beirdo: | anyways, easy to see if it was that by looking at the backend logs :) |
| [00:35:47] | wagnerrp: | ThreadPool:HTTP: again... |
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| [00:36:13] | Beirdo: | yup. as I thought |
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| [01:15:28] | iamlindoro: | heh, "I recall paying over $100 for an 8087 chip back in the mid-80s." |
| [01:15:34] | iamlindoro: | He's missing a few zeroes there |
| [01:16:19] | wagnerrp: | ours was in an external box, with lights |
| [01:16:38] | iamlindoro: | Well, I guess all prices over $100 are included in that statement |
| [01:16:39] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [01:36:11] | FredYerkes: | wagnerrp: I applied your mythburn.py patch (Ticket #8438), now dvd creation fails with "UnboundLocalError: local variable 'thumblist' referenced before assignment" |
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| [01:41:17] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [01:41:20] | wagnerrp: | should be thumbList |
| [01:41:35] | wagnerrp: | for what its worth, that was a completely untested, blind patch |
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| [01:41:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont use mytharchive |
| [01:42:45] | [R]: | -users is always good for a laugh |
| [01:43:22] | wagnerrp: | 'mythtv is getting too bloated to reliably run a combo frontend/backend on my P3 with a framegrabber' |
| [01:43:32] | iamlindoro: | stupid MythTV devs |
| [01:43:33] | FredYerkes: | well, so far it got me much further than I was getting, I'll change the L and give it another go |
| [01:43:35] | [R]: | iamlindoro: haha |
| [01:43:59] | [R]: | atleast mike is back and he didnt die |
| [01:44:02] | [R]: | i was worried for a little |
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| [01:44:24] | wagnerrp: | oh, what a shame |
| [01:44:26] | iamlindoro: | I'll put the performance of MythTV from 2010 on that P3 900 against Windows 7 MCE on that P3 900, any day |
| [01:44:46] | [R]: | will 7 even run on a p3 900? |
| [01:44:48] | iamlindoro: | and yet nobody would question that Windows + MCE doesn't run on that hardware |
| [01:44:50] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [01:45:02] | iamlindoro: | And it wouldn't surprise *anyone* |
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| [01:45:09] | iamlindoro: | so why should it be the end of the world that Myth is the same? |
| [01:45:32] | wagnerrp: | because its linux |
| [01:45:37] | wagnerrp: | if i can compile it, cant i run it? |
| [01:45:37] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [01:45:39] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [01:46:10] | wagnerrp: | http://bash.org/?919561 |
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| [01:46:29] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [01:46:31] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:48:05] | [R]: | fedex put a package under my door mat and put a sticker on my door that said thats where it was |
| [01:48:07] | [R]: | is that secure? |
| [01:48:31] | iamlindoro: | If you have a very big doormat, it could be security through obscurity |
| [01:49:33] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:49:46] | [R]: | well it wasn't a very big package, so it fit nicely and wasn't obvious |
| [01:50:26] | iamlindoro: | I can see it now |
| [01:50:27] | iamlindoro: | trundle |
| [01:50:29] | iamlindoro: | trundle |
| [01:50:32] | iamlindoro: | trundle |
| [01:50:34] | iamlindoro: | CRUNCH |
| [01:50:39] | iamlindoro: | "Package under doormat" |
| [01:50:40] | iamlindoro: | *sigh* |
| [01:50:53] | [R]: | lol |
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| [01:57:42] | Beirdo: | le sigh |
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| [02:15:08] | Beirdo: | hahahahah |
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| [02:15:24] | Beirdo: | buys a PVR-500 to record ATSC. |
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| [02:15:46] | Beirdo: | our grounded friend needs a fail whale |
| [02:16:38] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Template:Fail |
| [02:17:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [02:20:51] | msphobia: | I've had my myth setup working well and consistently for quite a while with a couple hdhomeruns and an hdpvr, but now out of nowhere certain shows on the first tuner of my first hdhomerun are having their recordings stop. Myth still thinks the recording is continuing, but the filesize stops growing and the frontend recognizes that the file length is no longer growing. I've turned on "important,record,file" in the logging paramet |
| [02:21:23] | wagnerrp: | what OS? |
| [02:22:08] | msphobia: | this is a 64 bit Linux, Archlinux to be precise |
| [02:22:19] | wagnerrp: | huh... |
| [02:22:34] | wagnerrp: | i get the same behavior on my fbsd MBE, but my gentoo SBE works fine |
| [02:22:43] | wagnerrp: | anyway... VINDICATION IS MINE! |
| [02:23:21] | msphobia: | well I'm glad I'm not alone.... have you had any luck with workarounds? |
| [02:23:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, flip my HDHR over to linux instead of fbsd |
| [02:23:38] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:24:08] | wagnerrp: | have you noticed its something to do with one recording terminating, while the other is supposed to keep going? |
| [02:24:09] | msphobia: | haha, well, by and large it works very well, but for some reason... Wednesday nights around 8:35, that combination of recordings seems to trigger it |
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| [02:24:16] | wagnerrp: | like you have a half hour and an hour show |
| [02:24:21] | wagnerrp: | the half hour stops on time |
| [02:24:31] | wagnerrp: | and as a result, screws up the hour show |
| [02:24:55] | wagnerrp: | its like its not properly tearing down the connection |
| [02:25:49] | msphobia: | hmmm, let me check that, it's entirely possible, the hdpvr tends to record nonstop |
| [02:25:58] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 or trunk? what firmware? |
| [02:26:45] | wagnerrp: | i originally had this issue pre-0.23 |
| [02:27:03] | wagnerrp: | and with a couple other reports of it, we ended up rolling back our internal library revision |
| [02:28:10] | msphobia: | my log says: |
| [02:28:10] | msphobia: | 2010-10–11 20:20:30.659 mythbackend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [Unknown] www.mythtv.org |
| [02:28:10] | msphobia: | my package manager says: |
| [02:28:10] | msphobia: | Version : 25574–1 |
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| [02:29:01] | msphobia: | I checked, all recordings that started at 8 were scheduled for at least a full hour |
| [02:29:19] | msphobia: | (and no other recordings were going at 8) |
| [02:29:54] | msphobia: | firmware on the hdhomeruns, I haven't updated them in a while, though like I said, had been running well for years |
| [02:30:14] | wagnerrp: | generally, its best to keep the library and firmware in syn |
| [02:30:15] | wagnerrp: | c |
| [02:31:33] | msphobia: | #./hdhomerun_config 1011BD0B get /sys/version |
| [02:31:33] | msphobia: | 20100213 |
| [02:31:34] | msphobia: | # ./hdhomerun_config 1015E381 get /sys/version |
| [02:31:34] | msphobia: | 20100213 |
| [02:32:22] | wagnerrp: | im running one prior to that |
| [02:32:29] | wagnerrp: | but you should be fine |
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| [02:35:35] | fugdnscerd: | hey guys i have a mythtv setup that now consists of a single BE/FE... I have recently stopped using two slave BEs and now when I rescan my video collection in mythvideo it tells me it was unable to find these servers! How do I remove them from the database? |
| [02:36:32] | wagnerrp: | you have the Videos storage group defined for those backends |
| [02:36:36] | wagnerrp: | you need to remove it |
| [02:37:03] | wagnerrp: | you can either force it by sending the proper command line argument to mythtv-setup (dont remember what off hand) |
| [02:37:30] | fugdnscerd: | they were defined on the backends themselves which are no longer in existence! The only storage groups i have setup in mythtv-setup are the ones on the be/fe still in use |
| [02:37:32] | wagnerrp: | or 'delete from storagegroup where hostname=<non-existent backend hostname>;' |
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| [02:38:05] | wagnerrp: | tinkering in the database like that is rarely recommended |
| [02:38:06] | Beirdo: | fugdnscerd: not true unless you wiped your database |
| [02:38:13] | wagnerrp: | but at the moment, theres not really any better solution |
| [02:38:29] | fugdnscerd: | ahh.. i see.. |
| [02:38:36] | Beirdo: | they were defined in the database :) |
| [02:38:39] | Beirdo: | and still are |
| [02:38:46] | fugdnscerd: | maybe ill just deal with the errors then |
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| [02:41:28] | Beirdo: | just wait a moment |
| [02:42:54] | msphobia: | wagnerrp: with the truncated recording problem, have you had any better luck with trunk? I have been holding off moving to it since .24 should be out soon enough, or would you recommend I bump up the firmware version on the tuners first? |
| [02:43:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what i would recommend |
| [02:43:42] | wagnerrp: | i didnt experience the issue with the HDHR library used in 0.23 |
| [02:43:47] | wagnerrp: | i do experience it in trunk |
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| [02:45:59] | msphobia: | that's not encouraging, sounds like a race of some sort maybe.... though not knowing anything about the codebase I'm not sure how likely I am to track it down |
| [02:47:40] | wagnerrp: | well if you want to take the jump to trunk, the new libraries have been completely overhauled by the SD guys |
| [02:47:46] | wagnerrp: | apparently some of them are mythtv users |
| [02:47:47] | Beirdo: | fugdnscerd: I think yoy can delete the storage groups, and tell it to do so from all hosts |
| [02:47:59] | Beirdo: | then readd them for the new BE setup |
| [02:49:44] | msphobia: | well, I would hate to add instability, but, I hope trunk should be getting pretty stable for .24, should I be running the latest firmware then if I bump up to trunk? |
| [02:50:48] | Beirdo: | 2010-10–13 19:00:01.027 Finished recording Bones "The Bond in the Boot": channel 1245 |
| [02:50:57] | Beirdo: | 2010-10–13 19:00:02.803 Finished recording Bones "The Bond in the Boot": channel 1245 |
| [02:51:00] | Beirdo: | ummm |
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| [02:51:47] | fugdnscerd: | ok thank you beirdo i will try that... as soon as i figure out why its taking forever to scan my video collection!! Nothing real useful in the logs that I can see |
| [02:52:36] | Beirdo: | heh. good luck |
| [02:53:20] | fugdnscerd: | it seems to pass over the unreachable BEs pretty quickly but stalls on my main storage disk... usually doesnt take this long!?!?!? |
| [02:55:10] | fugdnscerd: | it is a pretty large disk... is the first scan of the video storage groups on startup of the FE any more extensive than subsequent scans or is it all the same routine? |
| [02:56:49] | msphobia: | well, thanks for the help wagnerrp, glad to hear at least I'm not alone in the universe with this problem |
| [02:57:06] | wagnerrp: | yes... mythvideo hashes all newly scanned videos |
| [02:57:21] | wagnerrp: | its based off the file size, and first and last 64KB of the file |
| [02:57:41] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to read the whole file, but it still takes some time to open and seek |
| [02:57:58] | wagnerrp: | any subsequent scan, if the video remains in the same place, it will not be rehashed |
| [02:58:39] | fugdnscerd: | hmm maybe thats what it is... pretty large collection! FE usually remains running most all the time unless system updates require restart or updating trunk |
| [02:59:21] | wagnerrp: | how large? what file count? |
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| [03:00:10] | fugdnscerd: | not sure of the exact number but around 250 full length movies and about 10–12 seasons of tv shows |
| [03:01:11] | Beirdo: | wow. a hoarder :) |
| [03:01:18] | wagnerrp: | so... 500? |
| [03:01:43] | wagnerrp: | between dvds, recorded shows, and random video clips off the internet, ive got several thousand |
| [03:02:13] | Beirdo: | you dudes are insane :) |
| [03:02:14] | wagnerrp: | the first scan ran maybe 5–10 minutes, each subsequent runs in seconds |
| [03:03:36] | fugdnscerd: | main storage is on an external usb 2.0 1TB hd.. id say its taken about 10–15 minutes so far.. think it being usb would affect this |
| [03:04:40] | fugdnscerd: | obviously usb2.0 is slower than pure sata but would it be enough of a difference to cause this? |
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| [03:06:02] | [R]: | this guy is amazing |
| [03:06:16] | [R]: | wagnerrp: how long has this thread been going? |
| [03:06:27] | iamlindoro: | 47 million messages |
| [03:06:28] | wagnerrp: | far too |
| [03:06:30] | iamlindoro: | give or take |
| [03:06:30] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:06:43] | wagnerrp: | which one? |
| [03:06:52] | [R]: | mike |
| [03:06:59] | wagnerrp: | which one? |
| [03:07:10] | [R]: | the nvidia thing |
| [03:07:16] | Beirdo: | I pointed him to what he needs for his 1600. |
| [03:07:17] | wagnerrp: | which one? |
| [03:07:21] | [R]: | what? |
| [03:07:30] | wagnerrp: | hes got two of em going |
| [03:07:32] | Beirdo: | bet he will flop around again for another couple days |
| [03:07:33] | [R]: | really? |
| [03:07:43] | wagnerrp: | one for an old FX5200 |
| [03:08:05] | wagnerrp: | plus ive got like 5 different versions of the N220GT thread because of bad reply-to fields |
| [03:08:42] | Beirdo: | you forgot the Matrox G400 |
| [03:08:55] | wagnerrp: | "<[R]> the nvidia thing" |
| [03:09:12] | Beirdo: | same tard though |
| [03:09:59] | Beirdo: | obviously has no clue how to research his purchases |
| [03:10:19] | fugdnscerd: | think something is up with my mythtv-dev list subscription.. changed to non-digest and now i get nothing or, and i find it pretty unlikely, nothing has been posted the last couple days!! think i will delete my subscription and start over |
| [03:10:51] | Beirdo: | it's been fairly quiet, I think |
| [03:11:28] | [R]: | i got 4 today |
| [03:11:47] | Beirdo: | sounds about right |
| [03:12:04] | Beirdo: | and the usual 4 million on -lusers |
| [03:13:03] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:14:23] | fugdnscerd: | yeah im gettin all the ones from users, just changed it to digest mode so i could actually manage on my poor little phone. ill have to delete dev and subscribe again then i think... well my video collection is finally done scanning, gonna relax and watch some tv you guys have a good night |
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| [03:27:58] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, HVR-1600 talk page |
| [03:28:13] | Beirdo: | talk... I knew it was there somewhere :) |
| [03:28:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:28:34] | ** [R] can't wait for myth 0.24 ** | |
| [03:28:45] | [R]: | but i still haven't decided if i'm gonna upgrade my dist or not |
| [03:28:45] | Beirdo: | too bad. ya have to :) |
| [03:31:42] | wagnerrp: | god i hate flash... |
| [03:32:01] | [R]: | wagnerrp: who doesn't? |
| [03:32:09] | [R]: | wagnerrp: but i don't think god is going to answer your plees |
| [03:32:14] | Beirdo: | Adobe fanboys/ |
| [03:32:18] | wagnerrp: | whats this? another fork of the nvidia thread |
| [03:32:45] | wagnerrp: | [R]: isnt god steve jobs? he seems to be trying |
| [03:32:56] | [R]: | LOL |
| [03:33:14] | [R]: | wagnerrp: he wears too much black |
| [03:33:30] | Beirdo: | this mike dude needs to go use MCE and stop |
| [03:33:50] | wagnerrp: | [R]: no one complained when morgan freeman played him |
| [03:34:04] | [R]: | LoL |
| [03:34:13] | [R]: | ffs... i think the right sfhit on my laptop is flaky |
| [03:34:33] | wagnerrp: | or maybe its just your fingers |
| [03:34:47] | [R]: | no... i notice it the most on my 8 key |
| [03:34:54] | wagnerrp: | and f? |
| [03:35:13] | [R]: | no... i think i didnt attemp to hit shift that tiem |
| [03:35:36] | [R]: | it looks like if it hi the shfit too close to the edge, it doesnt register |
| [03:35:44] | [R]: | but sometimes it does |
| [03:36:07] | [R]: | or myabe i just fixed it... |
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| [03:37:01] | kormoc: | And the world will end, http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2010-10-1 . . . y14_st_N.htm |
| [03:37:26] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [03:38:02] | Beirdo: | kormoc: he hates the song likely more than any of us |
| [03:38:28] | kormoc: | nope, he still tours singing it |
| [03:38:43] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Vanilla Ice is back, as a construction worker with his own tv show |
| [03:38:50] | Beirdo: | doesn't mean he likes it, but it's a cash cow |
| [03:39:09] | wagnerrp: | and much more respectable than Hammer's come back |
| [03:39:15] | wagnerrp: | as an advertisement whore |
| [03:39:31] | Beirdo: | he's dissed the song a LOT in the last few years |
| [03:40:33] | BLZbubba: | [R]: what is new in 0.24? |
| [03:40:55] | kormoc: | We have 31 moar threads! |
| [03:40:56] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24 |
| [03:41:00] | BLZbubba: | i think 0.23 is perfect, 24 bit mkv's work, vdpau 2x, perfect |
| [03:41:03] | wagnerrp: | !url release notes |
| [03:41:03] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword release |
| [03:41:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: bug! ^^^ |
| [03:41:26] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he should file a ticket ** | |
| [03:41:29] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:41:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:41:46] | wagnerrp: | 24-bit mkvs? |
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| [03:42:00] | Beirdo: | it would need to be one word |
| [03:42:08] | wagnerrp: | not sure you can make a three byte mkv file |
| [03:42:41] | BLZbubba: | did mythmusic get a refactor yet? |
| [03:42:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's why it plays so nicely |
| [03:42:51] | BLZbubba: | they play great |
| [03:42:51] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:42:56] | wagnerrp: | not yet committed |
| [03:42:58] | BLZbubba: | 24 bit mkv's, 24 bit flac |
| [03:43:14] | wagnerrp: | a '24 bit mkv' is a three byte file |
| [03:43:16] | BLZbubba: | maybe they're getting downconverted, who knows |
| [03:43:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, all three bytes are in the extension |
| [03:43:56] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: just what do you think mkvs are? |
| [03:44:08] | kormoc: | I'm assuming he means the color space is 24 bit |
| [03:44:28] | wagnerrp: | where are you going to get 24-bit video? high end video cameras? |
| [03:46:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [03:52:50] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: 'mkv's are just containers |
| [03:52:57] | wagnerrp: | they are not audio or video or text or anything |
| [03:53:00] | wagnerrp: | they just contain things |
| [03:53:21] | ** [R] hides stuff in his mkvs ** | |
| [03:53:22] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:53:31] | wagnerrp: | nearly all video used by mythtv is '4:2:0' |
| [03:53:42] | wagnerrp: | what that means is the colorspace is 24-bit |
| [03:53:49] | ** Beirdo sends the FBI to inspect [R]'s stash ** | |
| [03:53:54] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:53:59] | wagnerrp: | but the two color channels are both quartered in spatial resolution |
| [03:54:12] | wagnerrp: | resulting in the actual video only using 12-bits per pixel |
| [03:54:55] | wagnerrp: | any audio you get from a dvd or from a recording is going to be 16-bit |
| [03:55:09] | wagnerrp: | the only place you see 24-bit audio is on bluray and hddvd disks |
| [03:55:25] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv 0.23 does not support those bitstreams |
| [03:55:31] | [R]: | i use 32bit audio |
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| [03:55:53] | Beirdo: | why not 64bit audio? |
| [03:56:02] | [R]: | oood opint |
| [03:56:03] | [R]: | good8 |
| [03:56:04] | wagnerrp: | those 24-bit codecs are 'progressive' |
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| [03:56:06] | ** [R] upgrades ** | |
| [03:56:08] | Beirdo: | if yer gonna overkill, go the whole 9 yards |
| [03:56:20] | wagnerrp: | meaning they have an older 16-bit stream inside, that mythtv and old hardware can use |
| [03:56:33] | wagnerrp: | or newer hardware can use the full bitstream |
| [03:56:57] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 will have full support for such 'HD audio' formats |
| [03:58:33] | ** Beirdo sees the words "full support" and shudders ** | |
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| [04:17:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo, sphery, kormoc: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1961522 |
| [04:17:36] | wagnerrp: | im just going to leave it informative-only for now |
| [04:17:45] | wagnerrp: | let the user see what mismatched files they may have |
| [04:17:53] | wagnerrp: | leave it up to them what to do from there |
| [04:18:30] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [04:18:39] | Beirdo: | Much appreciated :) |
| [04:20:02] | wagnerrp: | and just to check, the orphaned metadata does work, locally and remotely |
| [04:20:20] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [04:20:49] | wagnerrp: | for now, it doesnt really handle offline backends |
| [04:20:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: cool, I think informative is the best |
| [04:20:54] | Beirdo: | kudos, my python-wrangling friend :) |
| [04:20:57] | wagnerrp: | it will mark that all as orphaned |
| [04:22:07] | wagnerrp: | and it doesnt check to see if the content is on the correct host, finding it on any host will do |
| [04:22:35] | Beirdo: | you need something for v2.0 :) |
| [04:22:48] | wagnerrp: | isnt sphery doing that one? |
| [04:23:48] | Beirdo: | ehheh |
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| [04:23:59] | Beirdo: | he doesn't speak snake :) |
| [04:24:16] | wagnerrp: | no, but he speaks housekeeper |
| [04:24:43] | Beirdo: | heh, true true |
| [04:25:00] | PennStateJoe74: | hey folks. i'm trying to trouble shoot turning my tv on/off via home brew serial ir blaster. |
| [04:25:12] | PennStateJoe74: | i found discrete codes for panasonic plasma tv |
| [04:25:28] | PennStateJoe74: | what is the simplist way to test sending the discrete codes |
| [04:25:38] | kormoc: | by sending the discrete codes |
| [04:25:41] | [R]: | send it and see if it works? |
| [04:25:56] | PennStateJoe74: | i.e. – without going through install lirc which brings numerous other variables into the picture |
| [04:26:14] | PennStateJoe74: | thanks kormoc – i'm just not sure how to do that |
| [04:26:21] | wagnerrp: | cat to /dev/ttyd<n>? |
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| [04:26:29] | Beirdo: | ummm, how do you intend to send without lirc? |
| [04:26:48] | [R]: | Beirdo: pixy dust |
| [04:26:53] | PennStateJoe74: | i'm running ubuntu 10.04 and i have set a udev rule so i have a static device name for the blaster |
| [04:26:54] | kormoc: | get a nine volt battery and a ir led and have impeccable timing and nimbleness |
| [04:26:55] | [R]: | or do the kids call it angel dust these days? |
| [04:27:09] | Beirdo: | PennStateJoe74: you need lirc |
| [04:27:12] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i burned out one of my blasters on 5v |
| [04:27:21] | kormoc: | sad |
| [04:27:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, v2.0 will be integrated |
| [04:27:32] | sphery: | though you could make a command-line UI for it |
| [04:27:39] | wagnerrp: | was trying to get my mceusb units blasting |
| [04:27:53] | kormoc: | they're 1.5v? |
| [04:27:54] | wagnerrp: | trying to use a cell camera to see if they were actually doing anything, saw nothing |
| [04:28:05] | Beirdo: | you released the smoke? |
| [04:28:07] | wagnerrp: | so i hooked it up to a battery pack for a flash light |
| [04:28:15] | PennStateJoe74: | i read something that said to copy a file to the serial device to see if i get activity. i do have an activity light on my emmitter |
| [04:28:21] | Beirdo: | it's probably a current limit issue, not voltage |
| [04:28:23] | wagnerrp: | big red flash in the visible spectrum |
| [04:28:34] | kormoc: | youch |
| [04:28:43] | wagnerrp: | minus one blaster |
| [04:28:45] | PennStateJoe74: | so ran 'cp 'some-file' /dev/ttyS0' and i got light |
| [04:28:54] | PennStateJoe74: | so i know its working |
| [04:29:10] | PennStateJoe74: | my next step is to try to send the discrete code |
| [04:29:16] | PennStateJoe74: | and see if the tv shuts off |
| [04:29:35] | PennStateJoe74: | nothing i can test from terminal to send the discrete code – 0000 0071 0000 0032 0080 003F 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 |
| [04:29:37] | PennStateJoe74: | 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 |
| [04:29:39] | PennStateJoe74: | 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 |
| [04:29:41] | PennStateJoe74: | 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0030 |
| [04:29:43] | PennStateJoe74: | 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0A98 |
| [04:29:52] | ** kormoc eyes PennStateJoe74 ** | |
| [04:29:53] | [R]: | PennStateJoe74: plz not to flood... kthx |
| [04:29:53] | sphery: | PennStateJoe74: LIRC doesn't send files to serial... It has a text file that describes a data format, then the LIRC code uses that to generate a signal on the fly |
| [04:29:54] | Beirdo: | !trout PennStateJoe74 |
| [04:29:54] | ** MythLogBot slaps PennStateJoe74 with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [04:29:54] | kormoc: | No pasting |
| [04:30:28] | PennStateJoe74: | okay, sorry |
| [04:30:32] | sphery: | PennStateJoe74: if you got some file that gets copied to serial, you likely have discrete codes for something else--not LIRC--like maybe Pronto or something |
| [04:30:32] | [R]: | wagnerrp: can i make the harmony lower the volume by like 20 when switching activities? |
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| [04:30:45] | Beirdo: | you have the IR LED on CTS or something, not Tx, right? |
| [04:31:06] | wagnerrp: | [R]: you can have the activity arbitrarily reduce the volume |
| [04:31:15] | wagnerrp: | but you cannot have it store a volume state for later recall |
| [04:31:34] | [R]: | yeah thats fine... i want to reduce volume by like 20 when going to wii and raise it 20 when going bac kto tv |
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| [04:31:43] | PennStateJoe74: | Beirdo, what is CTS |
| [04:31:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, go into the activity, tell it you want to 'customize the commands' or something |
| [04:32:08] | Beirdo: | you say you are using a homebrew serial IR transmitter? |
| [04:32:34] | wagnerrp: | ive got a dvd carousal that i have spam 'stop' for several seconds when i turn it on |
| [04:32:37] | Beirdo: | I guess it would be on RTS, CTS is an input |
| [04:32:40] | wagnerrp: | to prevent it from autoloading a disk |
| [04:32:41] | PennStateJoe74: | db-9 serial connector with 2 wires and light on the end |
| [04:32:51] | wagnerrp: | and making me wait through warnings that make me want to be a pirate |
| [04:32:54] | Beirdo: | PennStateJoe74: did you make it? |
| [04:33:01] | PennStateJoe74: | no – ebay |
| [04:33:18] | Beirdo: | what pins are the LED attached to? |
| [04:33:33] | PennStateJoe74: | i didn't take it apart to look |
| [04:33:46] | PennStateJoe74: | but it was marketed as an ir blaster |
| [04:33:59] | PennStateJoe74: | so i would assume it sends, not receives |
| [04:34:27] | Beirdo: | ummm. |
| [04:34:35] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [04:34:41] | PennStateJoe74: | thanks for the assistance folks. i'm going to go install lirc and mess with all those config files to try this. |
| [04:34:55] | Beirdo: | good luck |
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| [04:35:49] | PennStateJoe74: | can i paste a link to the ebay sale |
| [04:35:57] | PennStateJoe74: | or is that not allowed |
| [04:36:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, a URL is OK. If you are gonna paste a pile of lines, go to mythtv.pastebin.com, paste there, then give the resulting URL |
| [04:36:54] | PennStateJoe74: | http://cgi.ebay.com/IR-Blaster-Serial-LIRC-My . . . t_500wt_1008 |
| [04:37:45] | Beirdo: | wow, that person gave NO details |
| [04:38:10] | Beirdo: | OK, you will need lirc for sure. It's either on DTR or RTS, I'd imagine |
| [04:38:50] | PennStateJoe74: | what are those acronyms |
| [04:39:12] | Beirdo: | so doing cat blah > /dev/ttyS0 can't send IR codes unless they have a processor in there, and that's doubtful |
| [04:39:33] | Beirdo: | signals that go out your serial port |
| [04:39:46] | Beirdo: | read up on RS232 if you wanna know in detail |
| [04:40:11] | PennStateJoe74: | got it. thanks for the help |
| [04:40:20] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
| [04:40:43] | Beirdo: | most likely using DTR, if lirc needs that info (not sure if it does) |
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| [04:42:50] | Beirdo: | jeeeez |
| [04:43:11] | Beirdo: | mike needs to ground himself better. |
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| [04:47:20] | wagnerrp: | whats with this 'new ubuntu font'? |
| [04:47:38] | Beirdo: | effed if I know |
| [04:48:30] | Beirdo: | #9093 |
| [04:48:30] | Beirdo: | isn't that a duplicate? |
| [04:48:34] | iamlindoro: | Pretty sure |
| [04:48:45] | iamlindoro: | was looking for the one it's a dupe of-- but it's a crash in libav* so not our problem anyway |
| [04:48:49] | Beirdo: | I just can't find the dupe :) |
| [04:49:12] | Beirdo: | it sounds like the preview crashes in H.264 files |
| [04:49:33] | iamlindoro: | well, not preview, but commflag |
| [04:49:41] | Beirdo: | but I thought we had one with commflag in particular |
| [04:49:58] | Beirdo: | bad H.264 will likely crap out both |
| [04:49:59] | wagnerrp: | but its a broadcast show, shouldnt be h264 |
| [04:50:00] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, at least it's not Fedora's new mascot |
| [04:50:01] | iamlindoro: | The point is that libavcodec definitely isn't able to deal with whatever it's being fed, though |
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| [04:50:17] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:50:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, probably some dillhole using the HD-PVR for broadcast |
| [04:50:21] | kormoc: | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Hot_Dog |
| [04:50:28] | Beirdo: | backtrace says h264 |
| [04:50:47] | Beirdo: | hey, I use the HDPVR for some stuff that also comes OTA |
| [04:51:06] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you dillhole |
| [04:51:09] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [04:51:57] | PennStateJoe74: | no love for the hdpvr |
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| [04:52:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:52:15] | ** kormoc blinks at PennStateJoe74 ** | |
| [04:52:21] | ** Beirdo is a dillhole at times :) ** | |
| [04:52:24] | wagnerrp: | PennStateJoe74: no... no reason to waste a $200 box on something for which a $50 tuner will do better |
| [04:52:26] | iamlindoro: | We are all Hd-PVR fans |
| [04:52:33] | iamlindoro: | we just prefer to use the right tool for the right job |
| [04:52:40] | wagnerrp: | better to have it always recording off the cable box |
| [04:52:48] | wagnerrp: | cable channels of the cable box, that is |
| [04:53:52] | Shayne is now known as Hylas | |
| [04:56:32] | wagnerrp: | hey beirdo, a fellow rican... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/can-t-watch-tv-hauppauge-card-13856/ |
| [04:57:21] | [R]: | rican? that sounds racist |
| [04:57:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:57:43] | wagnerrp: | puerto rican? |
| [04:57:43] | Beirdo: | Rican of the Puerto variety? |
| [04:57:53] | wagnerrp: | not sure how thats racist |
| [04:57:58] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:58:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:58:18] | Beirdo: | installed ivtv for the bttv card |
| [04:58:19] | wagnerrp: | thats... just what theyre called |
| [04:58:29] | ** Beirdo shakes his head ** | |
| [04:58:59] | Beirdo: | definitely better than 'can |
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| [04:59:24] | wagnerrp: | 'can'? never heard of that one |
| [04:59:25] | Beirdo: | as that lumps Mexicans, Puerto Ricans (who aren't even immigrants!) and Dominicans... |
| [04:59:35] | [R]: | my friend said some word once about a puerto rican |
| [04:59:38] | [R]: | i forget what it was |
| [04:59:40] | Beirdo: | they had that on Law & Order |
| [04:59:41] | [R]: | but i had never heard it before |
| [04:59:58] | [R]: | it was a word for a female puerto rican |
| [04:59:58] | Beirdo: | "American Citizen" |
| [05:00:04] | Beirdo: | try that one out for size |
| [05:00:05] | wagnerrp: | only phrase ive ever heard was 'freakin rican'? |
| [05:00:39] | ** wagnerrp is a rafter ** | |
| [05:00:55] | Beirdo: | grafter? ;) |
| [05:01:19] | wagnerrp: | as in raft, across the gulf |
| [05:01:40] | [R]: | Boricua |
| [05:01:42] | [R]: | that was the word |
| [05:01:47] | Beirdo: | Boriqua |
| [05:01:56] | Beirdo: | that's a proper name |
| [05:02:04] | [R]: | i just copied it from wikipedia |
| [05:02:04] | Beirdo: | local to Puerto Rico |
| [05:02:06] | [R]: | what do they know |
| [05:02:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:02:18] | [R]: | but my friend said that about his brothers fiance |
| [05:02:20] | [R]: | and i had never herad it |
| [05:02:21] | Beirdo: | I've seen it both ways :) |
| [05:02:37] | Beirdo: | that means quite literally "Puerto Rican" |
| [05:02:44] | Beirdo: | in a female sense |
| [05:03:04] | Beirdo: | and is not at all derogatory :) |
| [05:03:24] | Beirdo: | maybe it is if you call a Dominican that... or a Cuban... I guess |
| [05:03:51] | [R]: | remember that episode of seinfeld |
| [05:03:55] | [R]: | where kramer wanted cubans |
| [05:03:58] | [R]: | and got dominicans |
| [05:04:06] | Beirdo: | better cigars |
| [05:04:10] | Beirdo: | IMHO |
| [05:04:22] | Beirdo: | most Cuban cigars are rather harsh |
| [05:04:31] | [R]: | my friends made me smoke a cigar once |
| [05:04:32] | Beirdo: | unless you pay a buttload :) |
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| [05:04:35] | [R]: | i almost choked to death |
| [05:04:41] | Beirdo: | you inhaled? |
| [05:04:45] | Beirdo: | sucker |
| [05:04:51] | [R]: | i dont remembert |
| [05:04:53] | [R]: | it was a few years ago |
| [05:05:01] | [R]: | the nagain... i choke to death on hooka |
| [05:05:02] | Beirdo: | your friend is a dillhole if he didn't warn you not to |
| [05:05:06] | wagnerrp: | if you choked on it, you had to have inhaled |
| [05:05:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, exactly :) |
| [05:05:45] | Beirdo: | that reminds me... still have cigarellos from my Philly trip |
| [05:06:01] | wagnerrp: | you mean those dinky 1/3" thick things? |
| [05:06:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, but they are real cigars, just small ones |
| [05:06:26] | Beirdo: | 1/2" or so in this case IIRC |
| [05:06:35] | Beirdo: | about 4" long |
| [05:06:50] | wagnerrp: | whats the difference between those and cigarettes? just the latter is wrapped in paper? |
| [05:06:55] | Beirdo: | my coworker there smokes cigarettes like a chimney |
| [05:07:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:07:10] | Beirdo: | cigarellos (the real ones) are cigars |
| [05:07:23] | Beirdo: | i.e. fermented tobacco, same as a full cigar |
| [05:07:26] | wagnerrp: | yes, but theyre small, not much larger than cigarettes |
| [05:07:31] | Beirdo: | just a small one |
| [05:07:44] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that's exactly it. They're small cigars |
| [05:07:46] | wagnerrp: | ah, didnt realize it was fermented |
| [05:07:46] | Beirdo: | the curing is totally different than cigarettes |
| [05:08:00] | Beirdo: | IIRC, it is :) |
| [05:08:10] | Beirdo: | and yeah, with tobacco leaf wrapper |
| [05:08:35] | Beirdo: | so my buddy'd go to puff on a ciggy, I whipped out a cigarello :) |
| [05:08:48] | Beirdo: | heh. My smokes lasted twice as long as his though |
| [05:09:10] | kormoc: | and you can claim you never inhaled as well |
| [05:09:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, for sure |
| [05:09:21] | [R]: | just like clinton |
| [05:09:28] | Beirdo: | I've made that mistake (with a cigar) ONCE |
| [05:09:37] | kormoc: | mistake? |
| [05:09:40] | Beirdo: | and went rather green. it was an accident |
| [05:09:43] | kormoc: | Tisk tisk tisk |
| [05:09:48] | Beirdo: | inhaling cigar smoke, man |
| [05:10:02] | kormoc: | Real men inhale with a cigar in the mouth and two in the nose |
| [05:10:03] | Beirdo: | lungs do NOT like the thick coat of crap :) |
| [05:10:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:10:21] | Beirdo: | you are a silly boy |
| [05:10:40] | kormoc: | it comes with the lack of sleep |
| [05:10:51] | Beirdo: | but yah, Dominican cigars are a lot more mild than Cubans... and more to my liking |
| [05:11:27] | Beirdo: | unless ya wanna pay $100 for a cigar.. then get Cubans (in Canada of course) |
| [05:11:48] | BLZbubba: | what is a good remote type to choose in the mythbuntu control centre for a generic MCE remote? the one for Windows Media Center has quite a few buttons undefined, like the ones to jump to dvd, video, music |
| [05:11:52] | [R]: | are they still illegal in the us? |
| [05:11:56] | kormoc: | I like paying my $0.88 for my Helix |
| [05:12:06] | Beirdo: | [R]: very much so. |
| [05:12:07] | BLZbubba: | and i really don't feel like screwing with irw & such at the moment] |
| [05:12:24] | [R]: | I have another thread going but it's so long that it's confusing. |
| [05:12:26] | [R]: | he admits it |
| [05:12:26] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:12:39] | wagnerrp: | [R]: its not that they are specifically illegal, we have an embargo with cuba |
| [05:12:41] | Beirdo: | yeah. fun, eh? |
| [05:12:46] | wagnerrp: | no travel or product to/from there |
| [05:12:51] | [R]: | still? i thought they loosedn that |
| [05:12:56] | kormoc: | Mmm... Cheap cigars... |
| [05:12:57] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [05:13:04] | Beirdo: | yeah, anything Cuban origin is contraband in the USA |
| [05:13:12] | Beirdo: | except one thing |
| [05:13:17] | kormoc: | RUM! |
| [05:13:23] | wagnerrp: | refugees? |
| [05:13:24] | Beirdo: | postage stamps on a letter sent to you |
| [05:13:36] | Beirdo: | hehe, and refugees, of course |
| [05:13:45] | [R]: | (EE) Oct 13 22:59:19 NVIDIA(0): Please check your system's kernel log for additional error |
| [05:13:49] | Beirdo: | I meant... goods |
| [05:13:49] | [R]: | notice how he dind't check dmesg... |
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| [05:14:07] | Beirdo: | [R]: it's a big circle jerk |
| [05:14:16] | kormoc: | [R], why? He's too important for such menial taks |
| [05:14:20] | [R]: | LOL |
| [05:14:25] | wagnerrp: | [R]: i dont understand how he /ever/ managed to get asterisk running |
| [05:14:42] | Beirdo: | I think he uses sipx |
| [05:14:47] | [R]: | he must know someone with a lot of hand lotion |
| [05:15:47] | wagnerrp: | are you implying he gave 'favors' to the neighborhood kids for tech support? |
| [05:15:49] | Beirdo: | with the amount of jerkin around... he likely has it |
| [05:16:01] | [R]: | wagnerrp: no... someone was holding his hand too much |
| [05:16:05] | [R]: | wrong use... |
| [05:16:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, implying? I'm out right saying! |
| [05:16:26] | [R]: | you guys think dirty |
| [05:16:35] | wagnerrp: | thats what she said |
| [05:16:38] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:16:46] | [R]: | i was just gonna say 'btw... that's what she said' |
| [05:17:00] | kormoc: | That's what s/he said |
| [05:18:33] | [R]: | i'm watching border wars california |
| [05:18:38] | [R]: | the one about nogales was so muhc better |
| [05:18:40] | Beirdo: | why I bother to reply to this fool, I dunno |
| [05:20:05] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you got iostat results |
| [05:21:20] | [R]: | i once had that vmstat problem |
| [05:21:28] | [R]: | and the kernel optino fixed it perfectly |
| [05:21:56] | Beirdo: | [R]: pretty sure he doesn't know what the heck he is doing |
| [05:22:05] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:22:14] | [R]: | isn't that obvious to everyone but him? |
| [05:22:42] | Beirdo: | pretty much |
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| [05:23:00] | wagnerrp: | what does 'nvidias proprietary need for it's drivers' have to do with simply needing more kernel memory space for certain devices? |
| [05:23:19] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i thought you only get that problem when using the nvidia driver |
| [05:23:27] | Beirdo: | I bet he hand-edited grub.conf... and never rebooted |
| [05:23:32] | wagnerrp: | if 'open source drivers' meant you could easily fix it, why havent the -1600 drivers been fixed? |
| [05:23:41] | wagnerrp: | theyre open source |
| [05:23:59] | Beirdo: | rather than just telling grub to add it at boot time manually to test |
| [05:24:45] | Beirdo: | his theme song... The Beatles – I Wanna Hold Your Hand |
| [05:24:49] | wagnerrp: | thats something on the kernel command line, right? |
| [05:24:54] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [05:25:07] | wagnerrp: | so if we get him to 'cat /proc/cmdline', it should show up if he did it right? |
| [05:25:12] | Beirdo: | as it said... add it to the kernel command line in grub.conf... |
| [05:25:17] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [05:25:50] | [R]: | they hid the drugs inissde hte speakers in the car |
| [05:25:54] | [R]: | genius |
| [05:26:03] | [R]: | too bad that doesnt stop the dogs from smelling it |
| [05:26:26] | Beirdo: | spike it with lots of cayenne |
| [05:26:38] | [R]: | there were pounds of drugs |
| [05:26:42] | Beirdo: | make the poor mutt sneeze while you get busted |
| [05:26:53] | [R]: | 124 days in prison |
| [05:26:54] | [R]: | that's it? |
| [05:26:56] | [R]: | thats like... |
| [05:27:02] | Beirdo: | 123 days too long |
| [05:27:04] | [R]: | 4 months |
| [05:27:25] | [R]: | your saying he shoudn't get prison time for smuggling illegal substances? |
| [05:27:27] | Beirdo: | give up on the war on drugs. it was lost decades ago |
| [05:27:29] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:27:50] | Beirdo: | stop wasting money on putting people in jail for that crap |
| [05:28:06] | [R]: | drugs are bad, mkay |
| [05:31:15] | Beirdo: | whateever... |
| [05:31:45] | Beirdo: | you shouldn't legislate to make people not do stupid things to themselves, it just doesn't work. |
| [05:32:03] | [R]: | kormoc: you there? |
| [05:32:20] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [05:32:20] | Beirdo: | make weed legal, control and tax it just like tobacco and alcohol... |
| [05:32:31] | wagnerrp: | of course if he simply ran a 64-bit kernel, all these vmalloc woes would go away |
| [05:32:36] | Beirdo: | people will use it whether legal or not |
| [05:32:38] | wagnerrp: | ... why isnt he running 64-bit anyway? |
| [05:32:42] | [R]: | kormoc: what do you think about making queued jobs in the job queue in mythweb a different color.. like how active ones are green |
| [05:32:50] | Beirdo: | I think his CPU won't do it |
| [05:32:54] | kormoc: | sure |
| [05:33:09] | wagnerrp: | [R]: mythweb does not display the jobqueue |
| [05:33:18] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: forget which crappy CPU he has |
| [05:33:23] | Beirdo: | and yes it does :) |
| [05:33:26] | kormoc: | we dtyle it tho |
| [05:33:52] | wagnerrp: | there is enough markup in the backend status page to change those color? |
| [05:33:58] | kormoc: | yes |
| [05:34:00] | Beirdo: | sure, the data is straight from the backend, and with embellishment |
| [05:34:18] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: he has to have something halfway decent |
| [05:34:22] | [R]: | wagnerrp: there is a jobqueued class |
| [05:34:26] | wagnerrp: | the GT220 doesnt come in PCI form |
| [05:34:36] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: hmmm, true. |
| [05:34:51] | Beirdo: | or if it does, it's exceedingly hard to find :) |
| [05:35:06] | kormoc: | the kernel is unified, it's entirely up to userland if it's 64 bit or not |
| [05:35:07] | Beirdo: | so yeah, use 64bit, silly |
| [05:35:30] | Beirdo: | kormoc: as of when? |
| [05:35:44] | kormoc: | 2.6.22? |
| [05:35:53] | [R]: | its still a build loption |
| [05:35:53] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [05:36:09] | [R]: | and which copmiler you compile it with |
| [05:36:22] | kormoc: | [R], not anymore |
| [05:36:23] | kormoc: | /boot/bzImage: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage |
| [05:36:26] | Beirdo: | copmiler?! |
| [05:36:30] | [R]: | you can't get a magical 64bit kernel out of a 32bit compiler |
| [05:36:30] | kormoc: | that's a 64 bit core2duo |
| [05:36:42] | wagnerrp: | sure you can |
| [05:37:02] | wagnerrp: | just like you can get a 32-bit kernel out of a 64-bit compiler |
| [05:37:14] | [R]: | thats because a 64bit compiler has a 32bit option |
| [05:37:23] | kormoc: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Jul 19 15:40 /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage -> ../../x86/boot/bzImage |
| [05:37:26] | Beirdo: | or a PPC kernel out of an x86 compiler too for that matter |
| [05:37:40] | wagnerrp: | the 64-bit kernel had to come from somewhere |
| [05:37:42] | [R]: | i'm well aware its unified at the source level |
| [05:37:44] | Beirdo: | I think you can likely still disable 64-bit support |
| [05:37:54] | wagnerrp: | they didnt write it manually in a hex editor |
| [05:37:59] | kormoc: | [R], the binary is unified |
| [05:38:02] | wagnerrp: | it was compiled on a 32-bit machine |
| [05:38:31] | Beirdo: | 2010-10–13 22:38:25.351 RingBuf(/opt/mythtv/video3/default/2028_20101013220000.mpg) Warning: Taking too long to be allowed to read.. |
| [05:38:34] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [05:38:44] | Beirdo: | why is my commflag whining at me? |
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| [05:40:18] | [R]: | Beirdo: because its taking too long to read the file :) |
| [05:40:38] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [05:40:46] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:41:05] | Beirdo: | 2010-10–13 22:40:38.381 Player(0): Timed out waiting for free video buffers. |
| [05:41:13] | Beirdo: | ummm, what the heck |
| [05:41:29] | [R]: | Beirdo: your bufferes must cost too much money... |
| [05:41:36] | [R]: | Beirdo: or the player is too cheap... |
| [05:42:12] | ** Beirdo slaps his backend ** | |
| [05:42:20] | Beirdo: | stop being a pain |
| [05:42:25] | [R]: | show it whos boss |
| [05:42:35] | [R]: | Beirdo: maybe you should talk dirty to it |
| [05:42:45] | Beirdo: | no thanks |
| [05:43:11] | [R]: | you'r the one spanking your backend |
| [05:44:51] | wagnerrp: | its called percussive troubleshooting |
| [05:45:29] | Beirdo: | I do it at work to silence the CPU fan when it starts buzzing |
| [05:45:31] | wagnerrp: | he... cant reach his machine? |
| [05:45:56] | Beirdo: | bzzzzzzzzzzzz BANG! *silence* |
| [05:46:19] | Beirdo: | told the desktop guys about it over a month ago |
| [05:47:43] | Beirdo: | one of these days, it will just fry itself |
| [05:48:05] | Beirdo: | cheap sleeve-bearing fan, mounted vertically |
| [05:48:42] | Beirdo: | hahahaha |
| [05:48:49] | Beirdo: | he set vmalloc to 1G |
| [05:48:55] | Beirdo: | and now it won't boot? |
| [05:49:32] | Beirdo: | dude, learn how to use grub, and don't set vmalloc to >= the total RAM in your system (I bet) |
| [05:49:57] | Beirdo: | can't get into it from remote |
| [05:50:08] | Beirdo: | ha ha ha hahahahahah |
| [05:50:41] | [R]: | At least I can't get into it from remote |
| [05:50:41] | [R]: | wtf |
| [05:51:26] | Beirdo: | how is he testing X if he's not there? |
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| [05:52:57] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: doesnt mythtv use mplayer for playback? i thought you guys would know |
| [05:53:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:53:10] | Beirdo: | and yes it does |
| [05:53:16] | Beirdo: | fro VCD playback :) |
| [05:53:22] | [R]: | wtf is a vcd? |
| [05:53:27] | Beirdo: | until that's ripped out |
| [05:53:34] | wagnerrp: | a relic of ancient history |
| [05:53:41] | [R]: | like ancient greece? |
| [05:53:41] | Beirdo: | !url lmgtfy VCD |
| [05:53:41] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=VCD |
| [05:53:54] | Beirdo: | like ancient Hong Kong, more like it |
| [05:54:01] | wagnerrp: | CIF MPEG1 video on a CD |
| [05:54:24] | Beirdo: | at total bitrate exactly matched to audio CD bitrate |
| [05:54:42] | [R]: | vcd is white book |
| [05:54:49] | [R]: | sounds a bit racist to me... |
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| [05:54:57] | wagnerrp: | s/white book/garbage |
| [05:55:00] | Beirdo: | gives about VCR-ish quality |
| [05:55:12] | wagnerrp: | s/VCR/garbage/ |
| [05:55:12] | Beirdo: | which is... crappy |
| [05:55:23] | Beirdo: | wah wah wah :) |
| [05:55:31] | [R]: | they have red book... and yellow book... and white book... how is that not racist... |
| [05:55:38] | Beirdo: | it worked great for analog NTSC archival |
| [05:56:01] | wagnerrp: | s/great/lousy/ |
| [05:56:02] | Beirdo: | because it's the colors of physical standards books |
| [05:56:12] | Beirdo: | no, it wasn't lousy |
| [05:56:26] | Beirdo: | it approximated the quality of NTSC OTA very well |
| [05:57:03] | Beirdo: | close enough that properly encoded VCD was almost identical to the captured TV when I did it |
| [05:57:19] | [R]: | Beirdo: you mean there is an actual book with a white cover |
| [05:57:20] | Beirdo: | but... go to digital sources... totally craptacular |
| [05:57:24] | [R]: | and its got printed words in it?> |
| [05:57:30] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:57:32] | Beirdo: | yes, that's precisely what I mean :) |
| [05:57:34] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:58:06] | Beirdo: | and one with red cover (defines CD Audio? I don't remember) |
| [05:58:10] | Beirdo: | etc. |
| [05:58:21] | wagnerrp: | beige book... that one has to be boring |
| [05:58:42] | Beirdo: | that's just a white book that's been sitting around grubby hands too long? |
| [05:58:51] | [R]: | i have to read MIL standards are work... but they are in PDFs... i wonder what color their covers are |
| [05:59:37] | Beirdo: | the color of electrons |
| [06:00:38] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:01:28] | [R]: | is the dish line about free hd true? |
| [06:01:35] | [R]: | don't their hd recievers cost more money? |
| [06:02:16] | wagnerrp: | when i was using time warner, there was no difference in price between a SD digital box, and an HD box with HD channels |
| [06:02:30] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [06:02:32] | [R]: | really? cox charges through the ass for hd boxes |
| [06:02:45] | Beirdo: | [R]: language... jeez |
| [06:02:47] | wagnerrp: | they were both $7 IIRC |
| [06:02:54] | [R]: | Beirdo: thats not a swear... |
| [06:03:13] | wagnerrp: | we prefer you use 'sphincter' |
| [06:03:14] | Beirdo: | that's subject to interpretation |
| [06:03:27] | [R]: | regular is 6.50, HD is 8.50 |
| [06:03:28] | [R]: | on cox |
| [06:03:54] | [R]: | atleast it looks liek they aren't charging extra for the dvr box anymore |
| [06:04:05] | [R]: | theres still the $10 dvr fee though |
| [06:04:28] | Beirdo: | cox does suck |
| [06:04:54] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:04:59] | wagnerrp: | wow... |
| [06:05:03] | wagnerrp: | awful |
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| [06:06:25] | [R]: | wtf... |
| [06:06:30] | [R]: | i played a playstation one with my bttv once... |
| [06:06:42] | [R]: | whose this douglas guy |
| [06:06:51] | wagnerrp: | i dont think he caught the part about 'mplayer' |
| [06:06:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, it should work fine through mplayer or tvtime, etc |
| [06:07:09] | [R]: | infact, i played it with mplayer on the framebuffer |
| [06:07:10] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:07:10] | Beirdo: | certainly not in mythtv "LiveTV" though |
| [06:07:29] | Beirdo: | would work fine that way |
| [06:08:01] | [R]: | i really hate how they imply stuff on sseinfeld |
| [06:08:03] | [R]: | but nevetr say it |
| [06:08:28] | Beirdo: | s/how they imply stuff on// |
| [06:08:52] | [R]: | who hates seinfeld? |
| [06:08:57] | Beirdo: | I do |
| [06:08:58] | [R]: | its pure comedic gold |
| [06:09:04] | Beirdo: | it's lame crap |
| [06:09:08] | [R]: | i suppose you hate curb your enthusiasm also? |
| [06:09:16] | Beirdo: | definitely |
| [06:09:20] | [R]: | BAH |
| [06:09:27] | Beirdo: | OK, Kramer can be fun in small doses |
| [06:09:55] | Beirdo: | but I could never watch Seinfeld much more than one episode at a time |
| [06:10:04] | [R]: | i have myth record every episode |
| [06:10:20] | Beirdo: | your disk space to waste |
| [06:11:08] | [R]: | i have 2.5tb |
| [06:12:18] | [R]: | i wonder when my cox contract is up |
| [06:13:41] | Beirdo: | right now. CLICK! |
| [06:13:50] | [R]: | ? |
| [06:14:10] | sphery: | wow, someone trying to do video games through bttv/mplayer |
| [06:14:12] | Beirdo: | nope, I guess not |
| [06:14:19] | Beirdo: | sphery: should work great |
| [06:14:27] | [R]: | sphery: i've done it |
| [06:14:47] | Beirdo: | tvtime/xawtv probably better |
| [06:14:53] | sphery: | but why? |
| [06:14:58] | sphery: | just hook things up properly |
| [06:15:01] | sphery: | and avoid the delay |
| [06:15:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the more important thing... someone asking for mplayer help on the mythtv channel |
| [06:15:03] | [R]: | sphery: at the time i had no tv |
| [06:15:09] | Beirdo: | because they want to play on their computer monitor? |
| [06:15:15] | Beirdo: | why not? |
| [06:15:24] | sphery: | um, that's what the vga connection on your console is for |
| [06:15:25] | sphery: | or DVI |
| [06:15:28] | sphery: | or HDMI |
| [06:15:37] | sphery: | again, just hook things up properly |
| [06:15:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:15:49] | [R]: | sphery: i had a playstation one |
| [06:15:54] | wagnerrp: | most consoles dont do VGA |
| [06:15:59] | wagnerrp: | and those that do DVI require HDCP |
| [06:16:03] | Beirdo: | well, sometimes this makes sense anyways |
| [06:16:15] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't do it |
| [06:16:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and monitors have that |
| [06:16:20] | Beirdo: | I'd rather use the TV |
| [06:16:47] | [R]: | omg, its sarah silverman |
| [06:16:52] | wagnerrp: | newer ones do anyway |
| [06:17:14] | sphery: | I'm just saying that the video processing delay in modern TV's is bad enough to affect the gameplay |
| [06:17:22] | sphery: | so why make it worse by addming more latency |
| [06:17:38] | Beirdo: | because you aren't going to a TV |
| [06:17:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, and for the "Let's use 1993 hardware for modern everything" crowd, I'm sure it makes sense |
| [06:17:45] | Beirdo: | you are going to the PC's monitor |
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| [06:17:52] | sphery: | but, really, just do it right |
| [06:18:25] | sphery: | no, you are going to the PC's internal video processing pipeline |
| [06:18:31] | sphery: | if you were going to the monitor, you'd be doing it right |
| [06:18:37] | Beirdo: | huh?? |
| [06:18:47] | Beirdo: | you are going straight to the video card |
| [06:18:55] | sphery: | through a capture card |
| [06:18:57] | Beirdo: | if you wanna do it right |
| [06:18:59] | sphery: | then over some busses |
| [06:19:03] | sphery: | then to the video card |
| [06:19:06] | sphery: | then to the monitor |
| [06:19:16] | sphery: | versus console->cable->monitor |
| [06:19:24] | Beirdo: | capture and dma straight to the framebuffer |
| [06:19:28] | Beirdo: | if done right :) |
| [06:19:41] | Beirdo: | not much latency there |
| [06:19:49] | sphery: | anyway, I /still/ haven't heard a reason why it's a good way of doing things |
| [06:19:54] | sphery: | versus just hooking it up properly |
| [06:20:30] | Beirdo: | because you're silly and want to play your PS2 on your computer monitor... while your woman's watching TV |
| [06:20:44] | Beirdo: | and you're too dang cheap to buy a second TV |
| [06:21:04] | sphery: | too dang cheap to buy a $20 cable |
| [06:21:17] | Beirdo: | how does a $20 cable help? |
| [06:21:35] | Beirdo: | let's hook it to... a TV. |
| [06:21:38] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [06:21:41] | sphery: | http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/nxe/har . . . gacable.aspx |
| [06:22:03] | Beirdo: | yah. |
| [06:22:13] | Beirdo: | if you have an XBox 360 |
| [06:22:25] | sphery: | or the HDMI or hte DVI or whatever |
| [06:22:42] | Beirdo: | most computer monitors don't have HDMI |
| [06:22:49] | justinh: | so people are claiming that one or 2 video frame latency is causing them gameplay problems? heh |
| [06:22:49] | Beirdo: | or DVI |
| [06:23:08] | Beirdo: | you think this dude is using a modern monitor? |
| [06:23:18] | sphery: | nevermind |
| [06:23:24] | sphery: | let's all use 1993 hardware for everything |
| [06:23:38] | Beirdo: | you are being silly :) |
| [06:23:51] | justinh: | fwiw if I could buy a 20th century tech HDTV I probably would. CRT ftw! |
| [06:23:54] | Beirdo: | it's a valid, but potentially stupid, configuration |
| [06:24:29] | sphery: | let him use his bttv with garbage-quality NTSC going to some monitor through his PC--wasting all the power to run that PC and do all the processing it's doing |
| [06:24:35] | Beirdo: | but really, 1–2 frame delay isn't significant delay |
| [06:24:40] | sphery: | and it must be a better idea because it's possible |
| [06:24:43] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:24:44] | sphery: | and possible means it's a good idea |
| [06:24:46] | sphery: | just check Compiz |
| [06:24:53] | wagnerrp: | hey look, there is worth to twitter... http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com . . . -ferrell.jpg |
| [06:24:56] | Beirdo: | maybe the computer's already going to be on, etc. |
| [06:25:18] | Beirdo: | now, would I go start up a computer for this? heck no |
| [06:25:18] | sphery: | yeah, and maybe the CPU is already going to be processing versus idling |
| [06:25:29] | justinh: | wagnerrp: LOL |
| [06:25:31] | sphery: | oh, but wait, since it can't do that same procesisng it will be doing it later |
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| [06:25:44] | sphery: | anyway, /I/ think it's stupid |
| [06:25:57] | sphery: | /I/ think there are /much/ better ways to do what he plans to do |
| [06:25:58] | Beirdo: | bttv DMA -> memory -> DMA -> video overlay takes nearly no CPU |
| [06:26:05] | sphery: | /I/ don't do it his way and never will |
| [06:26:06] | justinh: | I know the name Bieber but have no idea who he really is |
| [06:26:09] | Beirdo: | plenty of PCI bus :) |
| [06:26:12] | [R]: | justinh: singer |
| [06:26:15] | sphery: | and IRQ's |
| [06:26:19] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [06:26:21] | sphery: | and audio processing |
| [06:26:23] | sphery: | and ... |
| [06:26:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:26:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'd forgotten the audio |
| [06:26:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:26:45] | sphery: | heck Intel's new spec for audio is explicitly removing the sound processing from the CPU to lower power usage |
| [06:26:47] | Beirdo: | a lame idea, to be sure |
| [06:26:59] | Beirdo: | buy a tv, dude |
| [06:27:01] | sphery: | anyway, it's not that big a deal |
| [06:27:02] | wagnerrp: | justinh: hes like 14... and a complete tool |
| [06:27:12] | sphery: | but I can't believe that people are /still/ trying to do this today |
| [06:27:18] | [R]: | justinh: and girls throw their panties at him |
| [06:27:28] | sphery: | I mean bttv is terrible quality |
| [06:27:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:27:49] | justinh: | who cares about the quality – he's not having to buy another teevee! yay! |
| [06:27:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, the things are pretty lame |
| [06:28:13] | justinh: | aren't there like PS2 emulators on PCs now anyway? |
| [06:28:26] | justinh: | and can't the PS3 also emulate a PS2? |
| [06:28:33] | Beirdo: | not all of them |
| [06:28:33] | sphery: | most modern games make it nearly impossible to see what you need to see when hooked directly to a TV using composite/S-Video |
| [06:28:43] | justinh: | oh wait his machine is probably too crap to run a PS2 emulator ;-) |
| [06:28:55] | Beirdo: | sphery: why do you think he's using a modern game? :) |
| [06:29:06] | sphery: | I just expect the quality to be terrible overall--usability, look, feel, ... |
| [06:29:07] | Beirdo: | probably a crappy gamecube or something |
| [06:29:12] | Beirdo: | PS1 |
| [06:29:15] | justinh: | an Atari VCS works just fine over composite ;-) |
| [06:29:18] | Beirdo: | you know... |
| [06:29:31] | sphery: | could be |
| [06:29:32] | Beirdo: | old crap :) |
| [06:29:46] | sphery: | of course, that also describes his bttv |
| [06:29:52] | justinh: | I captured my xbox through mythtv a couple of times just for giggles. oh WOW the latency. it was like 10 secs |
| [06:30:00] | Beirdo: | if he's hookin up a PS3 or XBOX 360 that way, he's definitely a moron |
| [06:31:09] | justinh: | people.. there's just no stoppin em |
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| [06:31:21] | Beirdo: | yup. short of nuking the planet |
| [06:31:42] | justinh: | they almost always want to do stuff in the worst possible way. Look at the folks we get in here |
| [06:31:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:31:54] | justinh: | oh misconfigured mythtv? just reformat! |
| [06:32:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:32:28] | Beirdo: | VGA->Svideo->RF modulator so you can use an old craptacular TV? |
| [06:32:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:32:39] | justinh: | bit like my dad. he bought a webcam the other weekend & it's not been working right so rather than take the piece of crud back to the shop he's on reinstalling windows again |
| [06:32:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:32:52] | justinh: | AGAIN. like he reinstalls windows on a clean partition every few months |
| [06:32:53] | [R]: | "cheap fabric... and dim lighting. that's how you move merchandise" |
| [06:32:58] | Beirdo: | that might not be a bad idea though |
| [06:33:12] | Beirdo: | windows needs to be paved... often |
| [06:33:28] | justinh: | bah. my laptop stays largely un-messed with. runs XP.. and has done since 5 days after I bought it 2 years ago |
| [06:34:11] | Beirdo: | oh CRAP |
| [06:34:19] | Beirdo: | I killed a commflag |
| [06:34:41] | justinh: | I'd be like a total linux zealot y'know – xept for one iddy little thing.. it won't do really good stuff well ;-) |
| [06:34:41] | Beirdo: | and now the frontend won't let me delete it as it says it's in use for commflag |
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| [06:34:54] | justinh: | Beirdo: you know what to do ;-) |
| [06:35:12] | Beirdo: | yeah, whine |
| [06:35:21] | justinh: | you know.. that thing we always discourage people from doing ;-) |
| [06:35:47] | Beirdo: | I'll try in mythweb first |
| [06:36:06] | sphery: | Beirdo: just start playback, then delete it |
| [06:36:13] | sphery: | pretty sure that will override |
| [06:36:23] | Beirdo: | no, it also blocked me |
| [06:36:26] | Beirdo: | I tried that |
| [06:36:31] | sphery: | :( |
| [06:36:39] | Beirdo: | mythweb happily blew it away though |
| [06:36:52] | Beirdo: | yet another bug |
| [06:36:53] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [06:36:57] | sphery: | I thought if you were recording /and/ it was being flagged/transcoded, it allowed delete, but if it was only being flagged/transcoded, it wouldn't |
| [06:37:05] | sphery: | you sure it won't come back |
| [06:37:16] | Beirdo: | well |
| [06:37:18] | justinh: | damn, I really can't remember what year I got married. anniversary coming up near the end of the month |
| [06:37:26] | sphery: | I'll bet if you go to a different page, then back to the recorded programs, it will be back |
| [06:37:26] | Beirdo: | it wasn't being flagged anymore |
| [06:37:34] | sphery: | ahh |
| [06:37:40] | Beirdo: | I killed mythcommflag |
| [06:37:40] | sphery: | so it figured out that the flagging died? |
| [06:37:45] | Beirdo: | as it was going insane |
| [06:38:13] | Beirdo: | but the frontend still saw the flag saying it's commflagging, so refused to delete |
| [06:38:20] | Beirdo: | I think |
| [06:38:35] | Beirdo: | I'll try to recreate later |
| [06:38:37] | sphery: | I thought that check was in the backend delete code |
| [06:38:59] | Beirdo: | well, it disappeared from the PBB when I deleted from mythweb |
| [06:39:17] | sphery: | ah, then it won't come back |
| [06:39:42] | Beirdo: | so, when commflag is errored, we need to doublecheck that the flags are cleared, etc |
| [06:39:46] | sphery: | thought it was just the ajax-y code removing it from MythWeb before the backend actually deletes it, and waiting for the deleted event |
| [06:40:19] | Beirdo: | but I couldn't delete from PBB, or during playback |
| [06:40:25] | Beirdo: | they flatly refused |
| [06:40:38] | Beirdo: | which, BTW, I think should be removed |
| [06:40:43] | justinh: | hmm might've been 2003. remember being given a leather wallet as a present in 2006.. which apparently marks the 3rd. am I a bad person for not remembering the exact year already? |
| [06:40:56] | Beirdo: | if I say delete it, abort the commflag/transcode... and delete! |
| [06:41:04] | Beirdo: | don't tell me you can't |
| [06:41:05] | sphery: | agreed |
| [06:41:40] | Beirdo: | I'm the boss, not the computer, dangit! |
| [06:42:38] | justinh: | aha! the EXIF data in the photos will tell me :-D |
| [06:42:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:43:16] | Beirdo: | you can't remember the year you got married... dang |
| [06:43:17] | justinh: | 2003 :-) |
| [06:43:32] | justinh: | hey it's all just becoming a warm fuzzy blur |
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| [06:43:41] | Beirdo: | well, in my case, the divorce threat marked the third |
| [06:43:49] | justinh: | oof. that's harsh |
| [06:43:55] | Beirdo: | and the divorce beat the fourth by a week |
| [06:44:05] | Beirdo: | yeah, nice timing. |
| [06:44:20] | justinh: | didn't know any better I'd say that's almost a symbol |
| [06:44:31] | Beirdo: | she said it wasn't intentional |
| [06:44:35] | Beirdo: | my butt. |
| [06:45:22] | Beirdo: | anyways... 5 months of freedom and counting. |
| [06:45:25] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [06:45:46] | Beirdo: | enforced freedom.. but regardless |
| [06:46:42] | justinh: | an old workmate of mine just completed his divorce. she went to town – it's taken a long time to sort out. up next, custody. It's one thing to fall out – quite another to take another person's life apart out of spite |
| [06:47:05] | Beirdo: | hmmm. my internal clock is gone screwy. almost midnight, and I'm hungry |
| [06:47:08] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [06:47:16] | Beirdo: | thankfully, we had no kids |
| [06:47:23] | Beirdo: | no custody issues |
| [06:47:38] | Beirdo: | and I moved many thousands of miles away |
| [06:47:47] | Beirdo: | fresh start FTW |
| [06:47:50] | justinh: | now that's what I call a clean break |
| [06:48:36] | Beirdo: | it's given me lots of mythtv time again |
| [06:48:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [06:51:56] | justinh: | arghh! doing a search on traditional 7th anniversary gift ideas.. and stumbled on a site which uses (among about 5 others) Comic Sans. DIE! |
| [06:53:31] | justinh: | Wool? Oh well sack that plan then. |
| [06:53:38] | justinh: | stupid traditions |
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| [06:55:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:55:23] | Beirdo: | buy her a sheep |
| [06:56:45] | justinh: | funny. we bought our boss a sheep once. he came in work his birthday & found it in his office |
| [06:56:53] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:57:07] | Beirdo: | and boiled mutton for dinner? |
| [06:57:14] | justinh: | it was ok though – he was a part-time farmer too |
| [06:57:18] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [06:57:21] | Beirdo: | good :) |
| [06:57:40] | justinh: | still though.. the whole thing was completely mental. putting a live sheep etc in somebody's office |
| [06:57:46] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:57:52] | Beirdo: | very Animal House |
| [06:58:01] | kormoc: | a live sheep is better then a dead hooker |
| [06:58:06] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [06:58:27] | Beirdo: | yeah, that could be taken several ways |
| [06:58:34] | justinh: | nothing funny ever happens here. back at the old place there were initiations & everything |
| [06:59:10] | justinh: | seeing the look on an apprentice's face when the stores girls chastised him for his paper req detailing he needed '4 fallopian tubes' |
| [06:59:27] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [06:59:34] | justinh: | and the ancient "long stand" |
| [07:00:47] | justinh: | sometimes the best ones didn't need any intervention from others at all. one youth training scheme guy went to the toilet & forgot which way the door opened – therefore assumed somebody has locked him in. He broke all his cards trying to get out |
| [07:01:11] | Beirdo: | omg |
| [07:01:32] | kormoc: | hahaha |
| [07:02:01] | justinh: | he was in there a good 45 minutes screaming for somebody to help him out. about 3 of us checked the door & confirmed it was unlocked |
| [07:02:01] | kormoc: | that totally sounds like Beau |
| [07:02:04] | kormoc: | (a ex-coworker) |
| [07:02:52] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:03:16] | justinh: | they just don't make them like that anymore, and health & safety legislation has put paid to the more fun initiations |
| [07:03:46] | justinh: | no putting people on pallet wrapping machines. bah! |
| [07:04:19] | kormoc: | We would prank folks non-stop at one job |
| [07:05:14] | kormoc: | a really awesome one is to glue nasty porn to the back of someone's credit card. They'll pass it over to the clerk and the reaction is priceless for both of them |
| [07:05:28] | justinh: | heheheh |
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| [07:06:56] | justinh: | there was a de-pantsing almost every day. somebody would be standing on the shop floor talking to the manager or whatever – someone would crawl along the floor & pull their pants down. I dunno how we ever got anything done |
| [07:07:29] | kormoc: | Hot sauce in a flask, Asorbic acid in a water glass, pickles in bags, lemon party set as homepage. |
| [07:07:35] | kormoc: | plenty of ways to screw with folks :) |
| [07:07:56] | ** Beirdo reminds himself to not piss kormoc off :) ** | |
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| [07:08:15] | justinh: | I went too far once by putting pron in somebody's email. |
| [07:08:45] | Beirdo: | I got a classmate in deep crap with his non-techie girlfriend once |
| [07:08:45] | justinh: | there was a back door into the mail server via 2 or 3 other machines.. one was a trusted host of another so... |
| [07:09:02] | justinh: | my boss got to the bottom of it. damn his grepping ability |
| [07:09:02] | kormoc: | Ooh! |
| [07:09:18] | kormoc: | So we went out drinking one time |
| [07:09:23] | Beirdo: | she was standing behind him... just as I popped up a fullscreen xv of some nice porn.. on his screen |
| [07:09:36] | kormoc: | and Beau was really wasted, so we bought a porn mag and shoved it in his bag |
| [07:09:37] | justinh: | ROFL |
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| [07:09:53] | kormoc: | His mom is extremely christian |
| [07:09:55] | Beirdo: | a common thing to do to him... but I didn't notice her until it was done. ooops |
| [07:09:59] | kormoc: | well, he never found it, but she did |
| [07:10:04] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [07:10:12] | justinh: | kapow! |
| [07:10:14] | Beirdo: | that's mean |
| [07:10:17] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:10:20] | kormoc: | He's there telling her that it's not his, it's his friend's |
| [07:10:25] | kormoc: | she's totally not buying it |
| [07:10:32] | kormoc: | so funny |
| [07:11:04] | kormoc: | Beirdo, well, when you're 26, full time employed for over 6 years and still living at home.... |
| [07:11:14] | kormoc: | you sorta deserve to get some gruff |
| [07:11:35] | Beirdo: | how true |
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| [07:12:38] | Beirdo: | anyways, I think Ernest learned not to forget "xhost -" on his X session after that |
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| [07:12:58] | Beirdo: | and mesg n |
| [07:13:07] | justinh: | Ernest? is he the guy they made movies out of ? ;-) |
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| [07:13:32] | Beirdo: | as cat /proc/kcore (or equivalent) > /dev/ttypa was rather fun too |
| [07:13:43] | Beirdo: | bleeepity bleepity .... |
| [07:14:11] | Beirdo: | nah, this one was Chinese :) |
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| [07:14:56] | Beirdo: | net goes down, net goes up ... that was a fun game |
| [07:15:03] | justinh: | ahh TTYs. |
| [07:15:22] | justinh: | we all had terminals back in them days. no computers as such |
| [07:15:30] | Beirdo: | not sure why they thought that 10Base2 was appropriate in lab environment |
| [07:15:40] | Beirdo: | these were X terminals, essentially |
| [07:15:53] | justinh: | we had 2 of those. actual xerox machines |
| [07:16:13] | Beirdo: | reach around back, disconnect the coax from the T-connector... listen to the groans around you... |
| [07:16:24] | Beirdo: | then as people give up... reconnect. |
| [07:16:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:16:59] | Beirdo: | they were actually DEC boxes running Ultrix |
| [07:17:07] | Beirdo: | but essentially were Xterms |
| [07:17:19] | justinh: | that boss who was given a sheep as a present – he found the cause of a cable fault in an underground cable tunnel.. by divining |
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| [07:18:40] | justinh: | it was dug up at the spot he pointed at – they found a join in the cable had water ingress. whoever assumed the cable run would be dry all the time was daft |
| [07:19:04] | Beirdo: | heh, nice |
| [07:19:20] | justinh: | a new cable was put in.. all in one piece this time |
| [07:19:34] | justinh: | full of surprises, was Mr Best |
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| [07:21:33] | justinh: | oh gawd. apparently my local police are tweeting about incidents they deal with today. "woman punched in the face during handbag robbery" |
| [07:22:22] | Beirdo: | wha? |
| [07:22:31] | Beirdo: | cops tweeting?! |
| [07:22:33] | Beirdo: | lame |
| [07:22:53] | justinh: | apparently it's to give the public an idea of the kind of crap they have to deal with from day to day |
| [07:23:21] | Beirdo: | like you don't knwo |
| [07:23:39] | Beirdo: | it's yer neighbors being the jerks they arrest, is it not? |
| [07:25:17] | justinh: | don't think so. not where I live anyway |
| [07:26:50] | justinh: | unlike where my parents live – there's a crack den across the road (well ISH) & er.. heated 'discussions' have ensued in the street resulting in damage to parked cars.. police action been taken which had led to serious er.. animosity. They all need to wise up & make the crackheads want to move away |
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| [07:30:02] | justinh: | hahaha "Call 358 woman calls about car she abandoned at petrol station in Bury after she put the wrong fuel in yesterday #gmp24" |
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| [07:32:05] | justinh: | "Call 349 suspicious noises in loft in Salford". Yeah. It'll be them thar illegal immigrants burrowing in from next door like the tabloids say is now commonplace |
| [07:32:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [07:53:58] | justinh: | ROFLMAO |
| [07:53:59] | justinh: | "Call 384 report of man holding baby over bridge – police immediately attended and it was man carrying dog that doesn't like bridge" |
| [07:53:59] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [07:54:00] | justinh: | wellit *could* have been MJ back from the grave. worth rushing to see! |
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| [09:38:59] | gbee: | what's the configure arg that enables 'quiet' compilation, I can't remember |
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| [09:49:36] | ndrwc: | ok, the mailing list link in the topic is broken, so... my "upcoming recordings" in mythweb is empty and things aren't scheduling. Any thoughts? |
| [09:56:37] | justinh: | what mailing list link in the topic? |
| [09:56:41] | ndrwc: | errr... |
| [09:56:46] | ndrwc: | ok, the one chanserv gives |
| [09:56:47] | justinh: | I see no mailing list link in the topic |
| [09:56:57] | ndrwc: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/ |
| [09:57:40] | justinh: | try mythbackend --resched & see what happens |
| [09:57:45] | justinh: | your db could be corrupt |
| [09:57:48] | ndrwc: | hrm |
| [09:57:51] | justinh: | you may be very low on disk space |
| [09:57:52] | ndrwc: | is that ok to run whileit |
| [09:57:55] | justinh: | any number of things |
| [09:57:56] | justinh: | yes |
| [09:57:58] | ndrwc: | while it's still running? |
| [09:58:04] | justinh: | yes |
| [09:59:29] | ndrwc: | ok, it said "connecting to master for reschedule" and then exited |
| [10:00:03] | justinh: | right and now in mythweb? |
| [10:00:13] | ndrwc: | yeah, still nothing |
| [10:00:41] | ndrwc: | which db tables does it use? phpmyadmin was broken the other day but is working again |
| [10:00:52] | justinh: | time to check the integrity of your db then |
| [10:00:54] | justinh: | mysqlcheck |
| [10:01:28] | justinh: | word to the wise if the partition your mysql database lives on ever gets filled, it's usually bad news for the database |
| [10:01:58] | ndrwc: | hrm, my recordings are on a separate partition to the db... |
| [10:01:59] | justinh: | and by 'bad news' I mean time to dig out your last backup cos you ain't getting the db back without it |
| [10:02:11] | ndrwc: | :P |
| [10:02:13] | justinh: | yes that may be true – that was true when I lost my db too |
| [10:02:33] | justinh: | but what I forgot was that my /home was also on / and so was /var/mysql |
| [10:02:35] | ndrwc: | weather tables said "storage engine doesn't support repair" but the others are ok |
| [10:02:47] | ndrwc: | disk space seems fine |
| [10:03:02] | ndrwc: | i've got recordings in /home which is separate disk |
| [10:03:03] | justinh: | and that downloading linux ISOs to my /home filled up /... and mysql went OOF |
| [10:03:11] | justinh: | just saying, is all |
| [10:03:31] | ndrwc: | yeah... this is a bit weird, I had though I might have db issues when phpmyadmin went strange |
| [10:03:54] | justinh: | try stopping mythbackend & restarting it |
| [10:03:58] | justinh: | check your logs |
| [10:04:13] | ndrwc: | mythtv or mysql? |
| [10:04:14] | justinh: | fwiw logs generally live in /var/log/mythtv |
| [10:04:20] | ndrwc: | ok |
| [10:05:39] | ndrwc: | are "MythSocket(9b123c8:-1): writeStringList:" errors bad? |
| [10:06:05] | justinh: | could be, I dunno |
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| [10:08:51] | ndrwc: | this has been going on for a few days so the backend's been restarted and it didn't fix it... |
| [10:10:50] | justinh: | if the tables check out ok & the --resched didn't fix it... I dunno |
| [10:11:09] | justinh: | stop mythbackend, make sure everything is well in mythtv-setup |
| [10:11:30] | justinh: | say if you have no tuners for some reason all of a sudden, there will be no recordings scheduled |
| [10:11:47] | ndrwc: | well the frontend is running so I have tuners... |
| [10:11:51] | ndrwc: | err, watching livetv |
| [10:12:20] | ** justinh shrugs ** | |
| [10:12:35] | justinh: | some people don't use livetv you know :-) |
| [10:12:39] | ndrwc: | yeah |
| [10:18:13] | ndrwc: | oooh I found something interesting... |
| [10:18:27] | ndrwc: | "I had the problem last night. Fortunately I managed to troubleshoot my problem. The problem happened for me when I was trying to configure a separate machine to access the master backend. " |
| [10:18:31] | ndrwc: | I did that! |
| [10:18:37] | ndrwc: | tried using a livecd... |
| [10:20:10] | ndrwc: | and now I think my BackendServerIP is 127.0.0.1 but my master server IP is 192.168.1.2 |
| [10:20:16] | ndrwc: | aha! |
| [10:20:59] | ndrwc: | I'll give that a go |
| [10:23:32] | ndrwc: | aha! |
| [10:23:34] | ndrwc: | fixed! :) |
| [10:23:41] | ndrwc: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=651589 for reference |
| [10:23:41] | justinh: | oh for pity's sakes.. "Call 686 man shouts 'you're gorgeous' to woman #gmp24" |
| [10:23:52] | justinh: | er.. how would that suddenly have stopped working? |
| [10:23:58] | justinh: | it should never have worked |
| [10:24:48] | ndrwc: | yeah, I guess when I tried using a livecd frontend something strange happened |
| [10:24:59] | justinh: | those settings should never 'just change'...somebody or some thing changed them |
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| [10:26:42] | ndrwc: | I've never used a separate frontend before, so I may have changed something that I wasn't supposed to :P |
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| [10:27:40] | justinh: | well ordinarily 127.0.0.1for both IPs is fine |
| [10:27:47] | justinh: | for an all-in-one myth system |
| [10:28:08] | justinh: | but to add another frontend you'd need to change the backend IP to be bound to the LAN IP of the machine |
| [10:28:43] | ndrwc: | yeah... anyway, I won't be trying that again for a while |
| [10:28:52] | ndrwc: | thanks for troubleshooting :) |
| [10:29:09] | justinh: | it wouldn't harm to keep the backend IP settings as the LAN IP |
| [10:33:05] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o gbee | |
| [10:33:46] | gbee: | oh ffs, apparently I don't have sufficiently high enough perms to change the welcome message |
| [10:35:30] | gbee: | I'll have to arrange to have ownership of the channel transferred from o_cee |
| [10:36:39] | gbee: | !seen o_cee |
| [10:36:39] | MythLogBot: | o_cee was last seen 107 days 20 hours 39 minutes 56 seconds ago |
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| [10:53:41] | justinh: | heheh "Call 795 – report of man not walking dog in popular dog walking spot" |
| [10:53:50] | justinh: | I'm never gonna get anything done today |
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| [11:33:00] | gbee: | under the previous government it was only a matter of time before "not walking a dog in dog walking area" became a serious offence |
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| [12:39:11] | justinh: | lol "Call 019 – Officer down in RTA near Mancunian Way. Is he mad, in a coma, or back in time? #gmp24" |
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| [12:50:53] | gbee: | rofl |
| [12:53:51] | justinh: | and "Call 029 – Suspected photography in city centre. Dispatched anti-terror squad. #gmp24" |
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| [12:58:35] | gbee: | heh, that would be a measured response on the usual scale, "Man talked back to officer. Dispatched all foot/vehicle patrols, helicopter, dogs, firearms units, ninja warriors ..." |
| [13:01:41] | gbee: | "..., coroner" |
| [13:02:57] | skd5aner: | gbee: hey, just wanted to let you know I added some defaults for the en_us locale file to mirror what you recently commited with the en_gb ones related to date/time format |
| [13:03:04] | skd5aner: | gbee: ticket 9092 |
| [13:03:57] | skd5aner: | gbee: I also noticed there was a date/time format setting for mytharchive, so I included those as well – figured you might be interested in doing the same for the en_gb file |
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| [13:13:35] | gbee: | "call 1169 report of someone putting rubbish in caller's bin in Rochdale" ... Really? |
| [13:14:23] | justinh: | that's hardly the most silly thing |
| [13:14:45] | justinh: | "call 1079 Woman reports her horse refuses to come back over bridge " |
| [13:14:50] | justinh: | that was a real one |
| [13:17:02] | gbee: | justinh: I'm not following that closely so I've no doubt there are even sillier ones |
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| [13:40:02] | justinh: | "Call 032 – Caller reporting drugged up students hanging around under large concrete roadway. Told him that's the Mancunian Way. " :-) |
| [13:40:03] | skd5aner: | what are you referencing? |
| [13:40:03] | justinh: | Greater Manchester Police started tweeting every emergency call today from 5am for 24h to show the volume & the kind of calls they receive |
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| [13:40:03] | justinh: | a few spoof accounts have started up, with slightly humourous consequences |
| [13:40:07] | skd5aner: | ahhh, sweet |
| [13:40:08] | skd5aner: | haha |
| [13:40:31] | skd5aner: | what's the URL |
| [13:41:05] | justinh: | they're using 4 accounts – because of the volume of tweets they send they're (rather ironically) being put in 'twitter jail' for sending too many in a short time |
| [13:41:23] | skd5aner: | very funny |
| [13:41:28] | justinh: | @gmp24_1 @gmp24_2 @gmp24_3 and @gmp24_4 |
| [13:41:45] | justinh: | @gmp24_7 is a spoof so is @gmp24_0 |
| [13:42:54] | skd5aner: | hehe, yea – just saw the spoof stuff on The Register's website |
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| [13:47:39] | justinh: | this is reminding me of the old days when you could listen in on their radios with an ordinary FM radio |
| [13:49:07] | skd5aner: | I saw an android app the other day that would allow you to listen in like a scanner to certain police/fire broadcasts... not sure how they get the streams and how legit it is |
| [13:49:48] | skd5aner: | MythScanner – Police and Fire streams direct to your TV! |
| [13:50:11] | justinh: | last time I used winamp there were 'radio' feeds of emergency services in other countries |
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| [13:50:28] | wagnerrp: | do android phones usually have radios? |
| [13:50:28] | justinh: | presumably where it's not all switched packet radio they can still do that |
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| [13:51:25] | wagnerrp: | "Station:LAS VEGAS NV [PD/FD/EMS] FreeBee.org Emergency Broadcasts PXU.com" |
| [13:51:51] | wagnerrp: | "Station:Morinett Live Stream -)Tromso Emergency Services" |
| [13:52:02] | wagnerrp: | those are the two that came up on a search for 'emergency' |
| [13:56:49] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: actually, the droidx does have an FM tuner in it |
| [13:57:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: but that's not what I meant regarding the android app – it just consumes streams of emergency feeds, doesn't actually "tune" them |
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| [14:09:07] | skd5aner: | it's been 2 minutes and no tweets – I guess they solved all the crime problems |
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| [14:15:34] | justinh: | this kinda puts it all into perspective though http://twitpic.com/2xiylb |
| [14:16:42] | skd5aner: | haha – gmp24_1: update re call 1165 human excrement smeared over police car handles |
| [14:17:12] | skd5aner: | gmp24_1: call 1333 reports of dustbins being moved in Droylsden |
| [14:17:34] | skd5aner: | OH NO!!! EMERGENCY! MY DUSTBIN has been MOVED! |
| [14:17:41] | skd5aner: | MOVED I SAY! |
| [14:18:06] | justinh: | I wish somebody would move dustybin along |
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| [14:23:35] | skd5aner: | I like that the GMP website has the live stream of their tweets... I'll keep this up today, thanks for sharing :) |
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| [14:26:18] | wagnerrp: | 'suspicious man carrying a snake' |
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| [14:26:41] | wagnerrp: | clearly hes going to use that thing to rob a store |
| [14:29:10] | wagnerrp: | dont modern nvidia cards need SSE support on the CPU? |
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| [14:29:51] | justinh: | wagnerrp: wouldn't be surprised |
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| [14:30:09] | justinh: | so that kinda rules out using a VDPAU card on a Via board huh? ;-) |
| [14:30:11] | wagnerrp: | im thinking theres some reason why you could not use VDPAU on a C7 |
| [14:30:55] | wagnerrp: | but they all claim to support SSE1/2/3 |
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| [14:42:31] | skd5aner: | gmp24_1: call 1417 Advice requested about the age of babysitters, Stockport – wtf? |
| [14:47:36] | skd5aner: | live graphs of the reported incidents – http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/n . . . olice_tweets |
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| [15:08:03] | Peitolm: | skd5aner: I prefer 009 |
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| [15:09:19] | kreynolds: | Question: On OSX 10.6.4, does anybody know if the sniderpad 0.23+fixes downloads are supposed to function with the frontrow remote? |
| [15:10:15] | wagnerrp: | is that some special remote that comes with the appletv? |
| [15:10:44] | kreynolds: | It might … this came with an imac and macbook pro for years |
| [15:10:48] | kreynolds: | I don't have an appletv |
| [15:11:59] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about that very simple 6-button apple remote? |
| [15:12:03] | kreynolds: | yes |
| [15:12:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you dont want to use that |
| [15:12:27] | wagnerrp: | not enough buttons |
| [15:12:41] | kreynolds: | I do actually, but that's neither her nor there. If it doesn't work, I can't anyway |
| [15:13:31] | wagnerrp: | you want to intentionally use something that will severely limit your interaction with mythtv? |
| [15:14:35] | wagnerrp: | if it maps itself to keypresses, you can use it directly |
| [15:14:41] | kreynolds: | It does not |
| [15:14:48] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, youre either going to have to try to get lirc working |
| [15:14:57] | wagnerrp: | not sure if thats supported on osx |
| [15:15:08] | wagnerrp: | or try something like http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-399482.html |
| [15:15:29] | kreynolds: | I was looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X#Apple_Remote |
| [15:15:39] | kreynolds: | Which seems to indicate it should work just fine |
| [15:16:44] | wagnerrp: | looks like the remote maps itself to keypresses |
| [15:17:04] | kreynolds: | it does look that way doesn't it |
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| [15:30:03] | skd5aner: | kreynolds: I believe support for that remote was just added in trunk last month |
| [15:30:25] | kreynolds: | any particular compile options? |
| [15:30:37] | wagnerrp: | no, there have been periodic fixes for it as apple has been changing it |
| [15:30:47] | bjn: | i've used the apple remote.. but can't remember if it was under ubuntu or osx |
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| [15:31:23] | bjn: | mine doesnt seem to be working right now under osx with mythfrontend though, so it was probably under ubuntu |
| [15:31:38] | kreynolds: | bjn: which version of osx/myth? |
| [15:31:41] | skd5aner: | kreynolds: see if any of these trunk changesets are related – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24162, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26275, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26287 – maybe/maybe not, I don't know |
| [15:32:13] | kreynolds: | Ah, the Ojas patch looks like it's applied in the psychosis prebuilt binaries |
| [15:32:32] | iamlindoro: | Bear in mind that even if they are, they are for trunk, not .23-fixes |
| [15:32:39] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [15:33:07] | bjn: | mine's working fine |
| [15:33:11] | bjn: | just had to disable plex... |
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| [15:33:32] | bjn: | wait.. going to see which version... |
| [15:33:48] | kreynolds: | yah .. I'm not running anything that should take precedence as far as I know |
| [15:34:13] | skd5aner: | Peitolm: what was 009? |
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| [15:34:34] | kreynolds: | I'm not sure how the rest of this is coded but it looks like these remote codes should be in a conf file and not compiled in |
| [15:34:51] | bjn: | branches/release-0-23-fixes [25374M] |
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| [15:35:10] | bjn: | hmm |
| [15:35:25] | kreynolds: | hrm … I downloaded 25092 |
| [15:35:28] | kreynolds: | er |
| [15:35:29] | kreynolds: | 25902 |
| [15:35:46] | bjn: | did you compile it yourself? |
| [15:35:49] | kreynolds: | no |
| [15:35:55] | bjn: | where did you download it from? |
| [15:35:57] | kreynolds: | http://www.thesniderpad.com/index.php?option= . . . &id=1648 |
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| [15:36:49] | bjn: | I dont think i had to do anything to get it working... |
| [15:37:03] | kreynolds: | hrm |
| [15:37:09] | kreynolds: | it works fine with frontrow itself |
| [15:37:14] | kreynolds: | so I know it works |
| [15:38:56] | bjn: | hmm.. frontrow is not capturing the events? |
| [15:39:29] | kreynolds: | I will kill it to be certain |
| [15:39:54] | kreynolds: | not running at all |
| [15:41:53] | kreynolds: | MythFrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [25902] |
| [15:41:59] | kreynolds: | definitely the right version |
| [15:43:03] | skd5aner: | justinh: new winner – "gmp24_3: call 1621 Advice on where caller's 16-year-old daughter can stay while the caller is on holiday." |
| [15:43:11] | Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk | |
| [15:43:12] | iamlindoro: | That is not a version that contains the changesets listed above |
| [15:43:17] | iamlindoro: | kreynolds: ^^ |
| [15:43:39] | iamlindoro: | The above changesets are to *trunk*, not .23-fixes |
| [15:43:46] | kreynolds: | ooh |
| [15:43:57] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: which you and I have both said maybe 6 times combined |
| [15:44:02] | iamlindoro: | yes ;) |
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| [15:44:26] | bjn: | i'm not running trunk and the remote is working fine for me |
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| [15:44:46] | iamlindoro: | bjd: Remote scancodes vary by OS X version, remote version, etc. |
| [15:44:49] | kreynolds: | running 10.6.4? |
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| [15:46:19] | bjn: | yes.. 10.6.4 |
| [15:46:30] | bjn: | and that changeset.. new aluminium apple remote |
| [15:46:33] | bjn: | thats mine |
| [15:46:45] | bjn: | extra button.. hmm :) |
| [15:47:06] | kreynolds: | I have an older apple remote |
| [15:48:28] | bjd: | iamlindoro: mm? |
| [15:48:35] | bjd: | oh, you mis-tabbed |
| [15:48:41] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [15:48:44] | iamlindoro: | no, I didn't |
| [15:48:49] | bjn: | hehe |
| [15:48:59] | bjn: | yeah... it was meant to me |
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| [16:47:28] | skd5aner: | OT question here, but trying to help a friend out in a hurry... |
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| [16:48:53] | skd5aner: | he needs to project OTA ATSC on a projector, but doesn't have a digital receiver/tuner (not talking about PVR/HTPC/MythTV here... more of the DTA kind) |
| [16:49:23] | skd5aner: | any recommendations for a DTA receiver that could output to a projector? |
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| [16:49:48] | Peitolm: | get a VCR... |
| [16:50:07] | wagnerrp: | the cheap coupon DTAs had svideo outputs a projector should handle |
| [16:50:24] | wagnerrp: | and VCRs arent going to have digital tuners |
| [16:50:58] | Peitolm: | depends on the VCr |
| [16:51:09] | Peitolm: | but i was getting confused between ATSC and SECAM |
| [16:51:16] | Peitolm: | it's been a long day |
| [16:51:22] | wagnerrp: | oh? never seen a VCR with an ATSC tuner |
| [16:51:40] | wagnerrp: | maybe DVHS, but those are pretty rare |
| [16:51:44] | Peitolm: | now i'm going to second guess myself |
| [16:52:15] | Peitolm: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Daewoo-SV900-Integrat . . . p/B0001J03NO |
| [16:52:20] | Peitolm: | looks like you can |
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| [16:52:47] | Peitolm: | second hit for 'freeview VCR' |
| [16:53:39] | skd5aner: | unavailable – but probably wouldn't want to go that route |
| [16:54:30] | Peitolm: | http://www.johnlewis.com/230986894/Product.aspx?source=12362 |
| [16:54:33] | Peitolm: | but anyhow |
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| [16:54:49] | Peitolm: | basically, i would skip the computer, and jsut get a cheap set top box |
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| [16:57:07] | skd5aner: | yup |
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| [17:02:00] | skd5aner: | what about non-converter boxes? |
| [17:02:35] | skd5aner: | anyway to get a standalone ATSC tuner that outputs something? I suppose there might be DRM issues with that |
| [17:02:53] | wagnerrp: | there is no DRM on ATSC |
| [17:03:00] | wagnerrp: | http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Atsc-HDtv-Tuner . . . 1&sr=8-1 |
| [17:03:13] | wagnerrp: | http://www.amazon.com/PYLE-PLTVATSC1-Digital- . . . 1&sr=8-4 |
| [17:04:16] | wagnerrp: | just search for 'atsc tuner', youll find plenty |
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| [17:07:53] | skd5aner: | back... |
| [17:07:59] | skd5aner: | yea... I just stubmled on that first link wagnerrp |
| [17:08:03] | skd5aner: | http://us.kworld-global.com/main/prod_in.aspx . . . p;prodid=187 |
| [17:08:10] | skd5aner: | looks promising |
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| [17:17:32] | skd5aner: | k – another quick question, a bit OT – anyone know any free DVR software for OSX that's compatible with the HDHR (besides mythtv)? I know EyeTV is, but it's commercial |
| [17:21:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: turns out mike's system wouldnt boot because he set his vmalloc to 1024 |
| [17:21:24] | wagnerrp: | thats one _kilobyte_ |
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| [17:30:04] | Beirdo: | oooh |
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| [17:30:08] | Beirdo: | forgot the M :) |
| [17:30:09] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
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| [17:30:50] | sphery: | so, it's way too hard to keep up with all the messages in the mythtv-grounded mailing list |
| [17:31:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I have to wonder if his blacklisting nvidia-fb would make all work without any vmalloc |
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| [17:32:01] | sphery: | don't wonder so much that I'm willing to reply |
| [17:32:06] | sphery: | thread's too long already |
| [17:32:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: I have to wonder if just running 64-bit would fix everything |
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| [17:32:32] | sphery: | how do you switch a PIII to 64-bit? |
| [17:32:35] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:32:50] | wagnerrp: | how do you plug a PCIe graphics card into a P3 |
| [17:33:01] | sphery: | heh, good point |
| [17:33:07] | wagnerrp: | hes surely managed to defy the laws of reason once |
| [17:33:30] | sphery: | true |
| [17:33:47] | Beirdo: | how did he put a PVR-500 into a PCI-E slot? |
| [17:34:10] | wagnerrp: | with a rotory tool |
| [17:34:10] | Beirdo: | he says it has one PCI-E slot, and he plugged the HVR-1600 into the slot he removed the PVR-500 from |
| [17:34:25] | Beirdo: | this guy's on crack |
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| [17:34:47] | kormoc: | and he's not sharing :( |
| [17:34:59] | sphery: | but it's his PIII/900, so he's got some adapter thing in use |
| [17:35:03] | sphery: | since it won't have PCIe |
| [17:35:14] | sphery: | (maybe PCIx, but definitely not PCIe) |
| [17:35:22] | sphery: | or PCI-X |
| [17:35:24] | sphery: | whatever |
| [17:35:45] | Beirdo: | PIII/900? I thought that was some other wanker. |
| [17:36:01] | wagnerrp: | no, hes got a P3 blade center in his basement |
| [17:36:13] | sphery: | oh, ok, so not the 900 guy |
| [17:36:15] | wagnerrp: | which is why they only have one slot |
| [17:36:25] | sphery: | but still PIII guy |
| [17:36:35] | wagnerrp: | the p3/900 guy is one complaining about too many threads |
| [17:36:47] | kormoc: | Can anyone recommend a microchannel HD capture card for my 286? I'm also interested in using a i7 as a my myth coprocessor.... |
| [17:36:48] | Beirdo: | dumb and dumber |
| [17:38:00] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:38:39] | sphery: | So, the XBox classic was a PIII/850MHz, right? |
| [17:38:46] | sphery: | and we've deprecated support for it, right? |
| [17:38:50] | wagnerrp: | 733 i thought, with reduced cache |
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| [17:39:01] | sphery: | ah, celery 733... that may be |
| [17:39:38] | sphery: | CPU: 32-bit 733 MHz, custom Intel Pentium III Coppermine-based processor in a Micro-PGA2 package (though soldered to the mainboard using BGA). 180 nm process. |
| [17:39:45] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox#Technical_specifications |
| [17:39:58] | sphery: | so not celery |
| [17:40:05] | sphery: | 32 KB L1 cache. 128 KB on-die L2 cache , though |
| [17:40:10] | wagnerrp: | no, but only 128KB cache |
| [17:40:17] | wagnerrp: | normal coppermines had 256 |
| [17:40:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:41:28] | sphery: | We should reply to him that all he needs to do to make his system use less CPU is start up with the right options--namely, --nosched |
| [17:41:36] | sphery: | it will take very little CPU with that option |
| [17:42:24] | sphery: | goes with the mythtv-users list approved approach, "If I choose to run on underpowered hardware, I should be able to just disable some parts." |
| [17:46:54] | Shadow__X: | then complain on the lack of features :) |
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| [17:47:59] | ll2: | hi there |
| [17:48:06] | sphery: | Shadow__X: heh, I forgot that part of the process |
| [17:48:29] | ll2: | i have some questions about mythtv on apple tv, is this the right place to ask? |
| [17:48:58] | ll2: | ops... my bad, dont ask to ask :-) |
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| [17:49:38] | ll2: | is it possible to run mythtv 0.23.1 on appletv with native os? |
| [17:49:46] | skd5aner: | don't believe so |
| [17:49:58] | ll2: | it seems that the builds for appletv stoped on 0.21 |
| [17:50:18] | sphery: | ll2: skd5aner is right, plust the appletv hardware, itself, is a /very/ poor choice of hardware |
| [17:50:33] | sphery: | so even if you changed to a GNU/Linux install on that hardware, it would be a terrible frontend system |
| [17:50:44] | ll2: | sphery: is it? |
| [17:50:47] | sphery: | ll2: you're /much/ better off getting a Mac Mini |
| [17:50:57] | sphery: | and, ideally, running mythfrontend under GNU/Linux on it |
| [17:50:58] | Shadow__X: | its very low powered and you would probably only be able to watch sd |
| [17:51:01] | sphery: | ll2: yep, it's underpowered |
| [17:51:07] | wagnerrp: | ll2: both versions of the ATV are very underpowered |
| [17:51:14] | sphery: | and even SDTV is pushing the limits of it |
| [17:51:16] | wagnerrp: | you could use it for standard definition content |
| [17:51:28] | ll2: | sphery: in fact i have both (atv and mac mini). but for the kitchen TV, apple tv seems enough |
| [17:51:30] | sphery: | especially the new iPhone-without-a-phone-and-without-a-screen AppleTV |
| [17:51:39] | Shadow__X: | if i can remember correctly the first gen is like 1.2ghz and the secound is Arm A4 is 1ghz |
| [17:51:48] | ll2: | i have the first gen |
| [17:51:49] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: 1GHz P-M |
| [17:51:51] | ll2: | 1ghz |
| [17:52:09] | sphery: | ll2: for the first-gen, it's possible to make it work, but it's memory-limited and CPU-limited |
| [17:52:16] | ll2: | but nvidia should easy some cpu work |
| [17:52:24] | wagnerrp: | ll2: the only real option for making that run as a frontend is using trunk and a CHD decoder slotted into the mini-pcie slot |
| [17:52:29] | sphery: | ll2: you'll have /extremely/ slow response in the UI |
| [17:52:56] | wagnerrp: | ll2: no, it was a 7300M, which only does XvMC, which only offers moderate offload of mpeg2 decoding |
| [17:53:04] | sphery: | and when I say, "possible to make it work," I mean for SDTV |
| [17:53:14] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt aid in anything but mpeg2, and it still wont let you handle full bitrate ATSC |
| [17:53:23] | ll2: | sphery: slow response in ui is acceptable for the use i plan to have |
| [17:53:39] | Shadow__X: | ll2: your money and time is better spent on getting decent hardware |
| [17:53:59] | ll2: | Shadow__X: right... except that i already have one atv |
| [17:54:12] | sphery: | ll2: you don't mind waiting seconds between selections |
| [17:54:16] | iamlindoro: | The slow response from the UI is on the order of 5–6 second per buttonpress |
| [17:54:21] | ll2: | time is another story ;-) |
| [17:54:28] | iamlindoro: | ie, even navigating from the top to the bottom of a single menu can be a 30 second experience |
| [17:54:40] | ll2: | ah... is that bad? |
| [17:54:46] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: any idea what causes that? my P3 laptop doesnt behave anything like that poorly |
| [17:54:48] | Shadow__X: | yes and frustraiting |
| [17:54:50] | iamlindoro: | plus, much of ATSC programming will be too much for the processor, and you can't control when it will decide to choke on it |
| [17:55:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: how much RAM does it have? |
| [17:55:10] | ll2: | not on ATSC here |
| [17:55:13] | wagnerrp: | 384 |
| [17:55:13] | ll2: | 256mb |
| [17:55:15] | iamlindoro: | and bear in mind that all of that is when running it with Linux installed-- if you try to use the OS X version under the ATV's OS, it's even worse |
| [17:55:32] | wagnerrp: | sphery: all from swapping? |
| [17:55:36] | sphery: | I'd think so |
| [17:55:37] | ll2: | i gave up on OSX and put a debian on it |
| [17:55:50] | sphery: | might be able to make it acceptable using 0.21-fixes and Iulius |
| [17:56:04] | sphery: | but I doubt that 0.23 could do better |
| [17:56:19] | iamlindoro: | sphery: My experience *was* with .21... .23 would be way worse |
| [17:56:23] | sphery: | maybe once <which user?> finishes Lite |
| [17:56:28] | ll2: | sphery: my backend is 0.23, so no chance to run a 0.21 frontend, right? |
| [17:56:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro: oh... I stand corrected |
| [17:56:40] | sphery: | ll2: right, no mixing versions |
| [17:56:45] | sphery: | whole system has to be the same version |
| [17:56:54] | ll2: | ok... |
| [17:56:55] | Shadow__X: | maybe he could transcode every show down to a really small size then it could perhaps be playable |
| [17:57:04] | sphery: | and it sounds like 0.21-fixes (which had a couple of very lightweight themes) was that bad |
| [17:57:15] | sphery: | so 0.23-fixes (which doesn't have lightweight themes) will be worse |
| [17:57:18] | ll2: | xbmc and 720p media use to work ok |
| [17:58:30] | wagnerrp: | ll2: mythtv does not support any form of accelerated decoding on OSX |
| [17:58:40] | wagnerrp: | meaning youre limited to only what the processor can handle directly |
| [17:58:42] | wagnerrp: | which isnt much |
| [17:58:44] | sphery: | let's just say your user experience will be much improved using a real and modern computer |
| [17:58:47] | sphery: | like a Mac Mini |
| [17:59:00] | wagnerrp: | on linux, you can get a bit more with XvMC, but youre still limited in the bitrate you can handle |
| [17:59:08] | wagnerrp: | and with digital content, you cant control that |
| [17:59:17] | sphery: | and XvMC /only/ works with MPEG-2 on nvidia chips |
| [17:59:28] | ll2: | I´m going the linux way, right now |
| [17:59:30] | iamlindoro: | And is going bye bye |
| [17:59:34] | sphery: | and that |
| [17:59:45] | ll2: | dbv-s isnt mpeg-2? |
| [17:59:45] | sphery: | good riddance to XvMC |
| [18:00:01] | iamlindoro: | DVB-S isn't any particular codec |
| [18:00:04] | sphery: | DBV-S can be MPEG-2 or H.264 or ... |
| [18:00:04] | wagnerrp: | ll2: like i said, your best bet with an ATV is to slot in a CrystalHD card and run trunk |
| [18:00:06] | iamlindoro: | it's a transmission method |
| [18:00:20] | wagnerrp: | but even then the UI will still have poor responsiveness |
| [18:00:20] | sphery: | and note that CrystalHD support is experimental |
| [18:00:26] | sphery: | and not expected to be usable at this point |
| [18:00:30] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: you can put a crystalHD card in an ATV? |
| [18:00:35] | sphery: | (likely not even for 0.24 release) |
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| [18:00:46] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: seems so |
| [18:01:00] | skd5aner: | interesting – my Dad has one laying around, asked me if I wanted it, I might say "yes" now |
| [18:01:29] | sphery: | skd5aner: and then go out and buy a $150 Crystal HD |
| [18:01:33] | sphery: | (or how much are they?) |
| [18:01:40] | skd5aner: | $50 |
| [18:01:41] | wagnerrp: | i thought closer to $50 |
| [18:01:45] | sphery: | versus just getting a real computer and a $30 VDPAU capable card |
| [18:01:52] | sphery: | I couldn't remember |
| [18:01:56] | sphery: | still $50 to decode |
| [18:02:01] | sphery: | versus $30 to decode /and/ display |
| [18:02:03] | skd5aner: | yea, but free ATV |
| [18:02:09] | sphery: | and all the limitations of ATV |
| [18:02:14] | skd5aner: | just saying... |
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| [18:02:49] | skd5aner: | not like I was out looking to get one, but if one is handed to me and I coudl experiment for $50 – might be worth it |
| [18:02:53] | sphery: | also, remember that CHD support is experimental, too |
| [18:02:58] | wagnerrp: | maybe if the memory were upgradable too... |
| [18:03:02] | skd5aner: | I know I know :P |
| [18:03:08] | ll2: | well... not much hope, but I´m close to have a atv working |
| [18:03:10] | wagnerrp: | but its soldered on |
| [18:03:22] | ll2: | I will let you know how terrible it is :-) |
| [18:03:40] | skd5aner: | You don't think I can desolder 240 pins? ;) |
| [18:03:51] | wagnerrp: | well im building trunk on my laptop... ill let you know how it is in several hours |
| [18:04:02] | sphery: | skd5aner: wanna desolder my XBox 360 CPU and GPU and reball them? |
| [18:04:18] | skd5aner: | sure... but don't expect it to work when you get it back |
| [18:04:22] | sphery: | heh |
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| [18:06:52] | sphery: | ooh, today's newegg deal, "Great Deals at Any Tech Level!" That's perfect, since I'm tech level high. I just wish they had a 64-bit power-supply unit available. |
| [18:07:16] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [18:07:32] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [18:07:42] | sphery: | just a commentary on the crazy comments that people make after saying "Tech Level: High" |
| [18:08:18] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was actually a comment you saw on newegg |
| [18:08:35] | skd5aner: | maybe newegg should require master tests to prove your tech worthiness |
| [18:08:36] | sphery: | there was a similar one about 64-bit video cards |
| [18:08:44] | skd5aner: | s/master/mastery |
| [18:09:17] | wagnerrp: | whoops... -j2 on my laptop |
| [18:09:20] | wagnerrp: | dont want to do that |
| [18:09:56] | wagnerrp: | -j2 will exceed 1GB of memory usage on a mythtv build |
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| [18:10:12] | wagnerrp: | cant imagine what it would do on a machine with 384 PHY |
| [18:10:18] | skd5aner: | old laptop? |
| [18:10:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, one considerably less capable than that ATV |
| [18:10:53] | wagnerrp: | trying to figure out if it just takes that much power, or if its an issue with memory |
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| [18:11:15] | wagnerrp: | since i dont remember mythtv running that poorly on it |
| [18:11:39] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, mythtv 0.22 ran great on a P3–800+8400GS |
| [18:11:48] | wagnerrp: | although i dont remember how much memory i had in it |
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| [18:12:56] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: isnt a p3 800mhz machine slower than an atom at 1.6 ghz? |
| [18:13:03] | Shadow__X: | or is it barely faster |
| [18:13:07] | wagnerrp: | 3 slots, so i probably had 384 in it |
| [18:13:35] | wagnerrp: | a P3 is probably ~30% faster than an atom clock-for-clock |
| [18:13:54] | wagnerrp: | depending on how memory intensive your application is |
| [18:14:33] | wagnerrp: | considering its 800MB/s on the P3 versus 6.4GB/s on the atom |
| [18:14:40] | Shadow__X: | well thats due to the fact p3's were efficient right? because i thought i had posted a artcle from toms hardware showing that an atom was for the most part faster than a p4 |
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| [18:15:29] | wagnerrp: | an atom is probably pretty comparable with a P4 of the same speed |
| [18:16:03] | Shadow__X: | but thats more due to how inefficient p4's were compared to p3's right? |
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| [18:16:50] | wagnerrp: | pipeline was too long, with a crappy branch predictor |
| [18:17:00] | wagnerrp: | so it stalled all the time and had to wait for new data |
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| [18:17:13] | Shadow__X: | oh ok thanks |
| [18:17:16] | wagnerrp: | while an Atom is basically a P3 with no branch predictor |
| [18:17:23] | Shadow__X: | i didnt know that |
| [18:17:24] | wagnerrp: | so it stalls all the time |
| [18:17:32] | wagnerrp: | its in-order |
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| [18:19:12] | wagnerrp: | now the amusing thing is that a Core 2 will run on average twice as fast as an atom |
| [18:19:42] | wagnerrp: | and you can get CULV units that operate in the same power envelope as an Atom |
| [18:19:52] | Shadow__X: | yes still twice as fast |
| [18:19:59] | Shadow__X: | s/yes/yet |
| [18:20:31] | sphery: | and the twice as fast is clock-for-clock and core-for-core, right? |
| [18:20:33] | wagnerrp: | so you can get a dinky 1.2GHz Celeron that will absolutely eat an Atom up, and still only use 10W under load |
| [18:22:32] | skd5aner: | this is the stuff I stopped following ~2004... |
| [18:23:14] | sphery: | Yeah, I quit following it closely when even low-end hardware far outstripped my needs |
| [18:23:50] | wagnerrp: | basically, the Atom is an abortive development platform, just like the P4 |
| [18:23:53] | sphery: | now I only know enough to hate Atom (and love pretty much all the rest that Intel has) |
| [18:24:15] | sphery: | but it allows them to charge more for less |
| [18:24:28] | sphery: | which means it's a wonderfully successful product |
| [18:24:32] | wagnerrp: | the abandoned 20 years of microprocessor research to cut corners that didnt need to be cut |
| [18:25:11] | skd5aner: | sphery: exactly – performance curve slowed down, demands were exceeded, and anytime I need a new comp/CPU I'd look at what I wanted to spend and compare the 5–6 chips in the price range |
| [18:25:28] | sphery: | yeah, it was a knee-jerk reaction to the demand for low-power-usage computing when their existing arch (P4) couldn't be fixed |
| [18:25:36] | skd5aner: | just was way easier to get out of following the CPU business :) |
| [18:26:18] | skd5aner: | Plus, in the 90's and early 2000s, everything was still a fairly linear market... |
| [18:26:20] | sphery: | but their Core to Core 2 to Core i* transition and progress on low-power-usage went much faster than they expected, so Atom was completely unnecessary |
| [18:26:32] | sphery: | but since they've built the brand... |
| [18:26:39] | skd5aner: | now model lines are all over the place |
| [18:26:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:27:15] | sphery: | I was really disappointed with Sandy Bridge |
| [18:27:35] | sphery: | I thought from the initial announcements they'd be makind Sandy Bridge as a replacement for the Atoms |
| [18:27:53] | sphery: | but they're actually quite high when it comes to power-usage |
| [18:27:59] | sphery: | (like 73W+) |
| [18:28:17] | sphery: | I really expected it to be more like the AMD Fusion (at least like the rumors say Fusion will be) |
| [18:29:02] | sphery: | Fusion will have everything from a 9W TDP up--where that 9W is /both/ CPU and GPU |
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| [18:32:08] | skd5aner: | YES! gmp24_4: call 2072 fraudulent email received impersonating a bank, Trafford #gmp24 |
| [18:32:24] | iamlindoro: | ...? |
| [18:32:38] | skd5aner: | if anyone gets an email from someone trying to impersonate a bank, please make sure to dial 911 (or 999) immediately to report it! |
| [18:33:02] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: something gbee and justinh were referring to earlier |
| [18:33:22] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: apparently some british police department is twittering every call they get in today |
| [18:33:26] | skd5aner: | Manchester PD is putting all of their 999 (911 equiv) calls on twitter today for 24 hours |
| [18:33:38] | skd5aner: | http://www.gmp.police.uk/ |
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| [18:33:47] | skd5aner: | it's quite entertaining |
| [18:34:33] | skd5aner: | some of these calls are rediculous and it pains me that there are people out there who think 911 is a service of convience |
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| [18:36:20] | sphery: | ummmm. 999? Wouldn't that be 0118 999 881 999 119 7253? |
| [18:36:26] | skd5aner: | My favs are calls 1417 and 1621- "gmp24_1: call 1417 Advice requested about the age of babysitters, Stockport" and call "gmp24_3: call 1621 Advice on where caller's 16-year-old daughter can stay while the caller is on holiday." |
| [18:36:33] | vezza: | hi! I'm getting crazy trying to make mythtv work with hauppauge HVR4000 it's about 2 years that I'm only able to see analog and DVB-S but no way for DVB-T any one has the same problem? |
| [18:37:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and better looking drivers |
| [18:37:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [18:37:42] | devinheitmueller: | last I heard the 4000 worked for DVB-T, but there was a race exposed by the MythTV channel scanner. |
| [18:37:55] | devinheitmueller: | (so you had to import a channels.conf) |
| [18:38:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm so hooked on that show. |
| [18:38:19] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Which? |
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| [18:38:59] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: race in mythtv channel scanner? is this the one which used to exist where users needed to just run mythtv-setup on a single core? |
| [18:39:04] | sphery: | iamlindoro: The IT Crowd |
| [18:39:19] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: No, it had to do with closing and then reopening the DVB frontend too fast. |
| [18:39:32] | devinheitmueller: | (it's a driver bug, obviously, but it's exposed by the channel scanner in particular) |
| [18:40:10] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: oh, ok--I was just wondering since I hadn't heard of a problem with the current scanner |
| [18:40:14] | devinheitmueller: | If you jam a 2000ms sleep between the close and open, the race goes away. |
| [18:40:29] | Shadow__X: | does call 2101 mean someone keeps calling 999 from a cellphone |
| [18:40:32] | devinheitmueller: | It's not the scanner's fault. It is compliant with the API. |
| [18:40:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro: well worth buying the DVD set |
| [18:43:22] | skd5aner: | sphery: you know they shot a pilot for that for the US |
| [18:43:35] | skd5aner: | had Joel McHale as the lead |
| [18:43:44] | skd5aner: | it was terrible |
| [18:44:20] | skd5aner: | Shadow__X: no... 999 = 911 |
| [18:44:31] | skd5aner: | UK's equivalent to 911 |
| [18:44:57] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I saw that mentioned on thetvdb |
| [18:44:59] | skd5aner: | oh – misread you... yes |
| [18:45:23] | skd5aner: | Shadow__X: ^^^ |
| [18:45:23] | sphery: | skd5aner: I'm happier with Joel McHale on Community and the original The IT Crowd |
| [18:45:32] | skd5aner: | same |
| [18:45:54] | skd5aner: | wasn't a fan of Communit for the first 1/3 of season one – but it grew on me |
| [18:45:59] | skd5aner: | er, community |
| [18:46:13] | sphery: | I was actually surprised that Richard Ahoweverit'sspelled was on the NBC one, too |
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| [18:46:50] | sphery: | I guess with a 6-episode season in the UK, though, he probably had time to do both |
| [18:48:59] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: any relation to the "mythtwitter" stuff you were POCing a while back -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txvPDC6iNk0 |
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| [18:49:45] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: No, that's just some perl script that sends a text message via myth mythtvcid stuff |
| [18:49:49] | iamlindoro: | (ie, it won't work now) |
| [18:49:57] | iamlindoro: | My MythTwitter stuff was all MythUI |
| [18:49:58] | skd5aner: | yea, I knew the stuff was removed |
| [18:50:07] | skd5aner: | OSDNotify stuff |
| [18:50:08] | iamlindoro: | And supported sending and receiving |
| [18:50:34] | skd5aner: | it's an interesting concept to have live tweets display during a broadcast – if watching live or near-realtime |
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| [18:51:43] | skd5aner: | If you were watching some major event, you could essentially see what everyone is saying – would be cool if you could somehow sidebar it though |
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| [18:53:09] | skd5aner: | actually used firefox the other day on my frontend to watch a streaming concert on cbs.com, people were able to login via twitter, facebook, and some other social sites and make real-time comments – was interesting |
| [18:53:21] | skd5aner: | didn't think to try mythbrowser – oh well, next time |
| [18:54:32] | skd5aner: | They're doing a "Live on Letterman" series recently – which is basically an hour long concert in Dave Letterman's studio. Several artists – I happened to catch Gorillaz |
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| [18:56:33] | skd5aner: | This guy seems to do a lot of MythTV demos – http://www.youtube.com/user/PatrickLArchibald |
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| [19:00:24] | vezza: | devinheitmueller, Ok, thanks... how can I create a channel.conf file to import? w_scan -ft -c IT ---> ERROR: Sorry – i couldn't get any working frequency/transponder |
| [19:00:42] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I'm not the expert in this area. |
| [19:00:53] | devinheitmueller: | You can find command line usage in the linuxtv.org wiki |
| [19:03:33] | vezza: | devinheitmueller, Ok, thanks |
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| [19:31:45] | stevieman: | So I just finished putting together a new front/backend machine together and I'm ready to install the OS and Mythtv (going to use mythbuntu) my question is about partitioning for the best mythtv experience. I have a 500 GB drive. I am not sure how much drive space I need for mythtv (DB?) backup I want to maximize the available space for recording TV. |
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| [19:33:48] | wagnerrp: | a large database will take up vast amounts of space, like hundreds of megs |
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| [19:34:44] | wagnerrp: | if you want to 'maximize the available space for recording tv', buy another hard drive |
| [19:34:52] | wagnerrp: | were down to $0.05/GB these days |
| [19:35:28] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: thats the plan just have to wait |
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| [19:36:05] | wagnerrp: | by the time you blow though the 80hrs or so you can manage with that hard drive, youll be done waiting |
| [19:36:08] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: I was wondering because on my old box the DB Backup space was empty |
| [19:36:38] | stevieman: | 80hrs is pretty good, that is what my cable pvr has right now |
| [19:36:53] | wagnerrp: | the backup space is only used when you call the backup utility, or when its run automatically on a schema upgrade |
| [19:37:23] | stevieman: | ah,since I didn't do either in the last year and a half..... |
| [19:38:33] | stevieman: | is it a good idea to put the recordings on a seperate partition than the OS? |
| [19:39:36] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:42:01] | SteveGoodey: | There has been talk on the mailing list about using a SSD for the OS drive, not sure about the final outcome. |
| [19:42:17] | wagnerrp: | do you intend to reboot frequently? |
| [19:43:43] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: as infrequently as possible |
| [19:44:04] | stevieman: | oh |
| [19:44:04] | wagnerrp: | then what use would an SSD be? |
| [19:44:13] | stevieman: | nevermind |
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| [19:44:24] | stevieman: | I missed your yes |
| [19:44:53] | wagnerrp: | SteveGoodey: an SSD is only of worth if you are going to be frequently loading sparse files off your hard drive |
| [19:45:17] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend is going to load once into memory, and then its done |
| [19:45:27] | SteveGoodey: | OK, thanks. |
| [19:45:31] | wagnerrp: | the only disk access beyond that will be writing/deleting recordings, and logs |
| [19:45:46] | wagnerrp: | the database is going to have lots of reads, but not many writes |
| [19:45:55] | wagnerrp: | so its again going to load itself into memory, and be done |
| [19:46:29] | wagnerrp: | the frontend is going to be the heaviest user, with the UI images and artwork |
| [19:46:40] | wagnerrp: | but even then, youre not talking about a whole lot of usage |
| [19:46:50] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: Size of disc for the OS, 40GB OK? |
| [19:47:00] | wagnerrp: | plenty |
| [19:47:13] | wagnerrp: | ive got my disks booting off a 4GB image |
| [19:47:32] | wagnerrp: | with only half of that used |
| [19:48:12] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: netboot? and if so is it really worth it? do you notice any lag going through the menus |
| [19:48:15] | SteveGoodey: | Went to get a hard drive out of my loft the other day and dropped it onto the concrete garage floor, wonder if its still a worker? |
| [19:48:37] | wagnerrp: | on concrete? thats hit or miss |
| [19:48:55] | wagnerrp: | but drives are usually rated for fairly high G loading when off |
| [19:49:02] | wagnerrp: | is there any visible physical damage on the outside? |
| [19:49:58] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: It didn't miss the floor!! |
| [19:50:08] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [19:50:20] | wagnerrp: | no... whether it will work again is hit or miss |
| [19:50:27] | wagnerrp: | odds are decent either way |
| [19:50:34] | SteveGoodey: | Joke! |
| [19:50:37] | stevieman: | SteveGoodey: Give it a try, worst that will happen is it'll sound like a cowbell |
| [19:50:57] | stevieman: | and we could all use more cowbell :) |
| [19:52:05] | SteveGoodey: | Wouldn't want to spend all that time getting Mythtv installed then it goes phut. |
| [19:53:10] | stevieman: | SteveGoodey: Off to the store with you then ;) |
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| [19:58:50] | wagnerrp: | SteveGoodey: thats why we have RAID... :) |
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| [20:00:51] | skd5aner: | my chasis is full up on HDs, 6... have 3 more SATA ports and 3 more 5.25 drive bays, so I guess I'll just use adapter brackets :) |
| [20:00:58] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: RAID, that's too complicated for my tiny brain. |
| [20:03:26] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, im surprised mirrors havent become common on commercial machines |
| [20:04:10] | wagnerrp: | just about every motherboard supports it |
| [20:04:22] | wagnerrp: | charge an extra $50 for an extra hard drive and... |
| [20:09:02] | high-rez: | It is standard, just that its all crap fakeraid. |
| [20:09:26] | wagnerrp: | theres no such thing as a 'fakeraid' mirroring or striping |
| [20:09:31] | wagnerrp: | there is no calculation to perform |
| [20:09:39] | wagnerrp: | so there is hardly any load that the CPU has to take |
| [20:10:15] | high-rez: | A lot of these chipsets seem to do striping/mirroring in hardware, but are very slow at it until you offload it, no? |
| [20:10:26] | wagnerrp: | what is there to offload? |
| [20:10:56] | wagnerrp: | its not like 5/6 where you have to XOR all that data |
| [20:11:01] | high-rez: | Good question, I agree that the parity calucation isn't there, but a lot of the cheapo chipsets still are very slow for no particular reason. |
| [20:11:46] | high-rez: | The only onboard chipset that seems any good, and yet still doesn't do raid 5, is the mpt fusion stuff. :) |
| [20:15:49] | wagnerrp: | the ICH10 stuff is pretty good, at least if youre not doing raid5 |
| [20:16:21] | wagnerrp: | usually meets or exceeds a discrete hardware RAID for 0/1, since its much closer to the CPU |
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| [20:17:57] | high-rez: | Is that intels stuff? |
| [20:18:02] | wagnerrp: | intel/amd/nvidia offerings vs. LSI PCIe 2.0 x8 SAS2.0 card http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ich10r-sb . . . ,2374-8.html |
| [20:18:32] | high-rez: | I'm using an LSI 84016e at home :) |
| [20:19:20] | wagnerrp: | a big'un |
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| [20:20:36] | high-rez: | It's quite old now, but is pretty fast. |
| [20:20:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, my card runs off the same chip |
| [20:21:27] | high-rez: | I got an HP P400 with battery backup. They're super duper cheap on ebay – and work really welly. |
| [20:22:01] | high-rez: | < $100 for the card |
| [20:22:36] | wagnerrp: | id really like just a dumb SAS card |
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| [20:23:13] | wagnerrp: | no raid, just controller |
| [20:23:21] | wagnerrp: | but theyre not too common |
| [20:25:25] | ** Beirdo wants liquid sleep ** | |
| [20:25:55] | high-rez: | I've got an 'external' sas card i wouldn't mind parting with :) |
| [20:26:21] | wagnerrp: | well, i need a new server and case and hard drives to go along with it |
| [20:26:27] | wagnerrp: | mine are all getting old |
| [20:27:07] | high-rez: | I'm quite torn with my setup. On one hand I want a dedicated myth backend (i have two frontends and two backends – 1 on each machine in my house) |
| [20:27:27] | high-rez: | But I know I'll just keep my FEs running 24/7 anyways, and I don't want to eat the power hit on yet another machine running |
| [20:27:53] | wagnerrp: | i used to shut mine down |
| [20:28:01] | wagnerrp: | but im getting some issue with my one frontend |
| [20:28:13] | wagnerrp: | if i enable wake-on-usb to allow the ir receiver to wake it |
| [20:28:20] | wagnerrp: | it wont actually allow it to go to sleep |
| [20:28:31] | wagnerrp: | used to work just great |
| [20:28:36] | wagnerrp: | doesnt anymore, dont know the cause |
| [20:28:40] | high-rez: | This is the external SAS card I've yet to ever use: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118044 |
| [20:29:37] | high-rez: | It could be cool if I could find an external sas/sata drive array to go with it ;) |
| [20:29:44] | wagnerrp: | this is one im looking at... http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessorie . . . 8i.cfm?TYP=E |
| [20:30:30] | wagnerrp: | 8 ports, plus whats on the motherboard... should last me for the foreseeable future (or a couple years) |
| [20:30:44] | high-rez: | Nice. |
| [20:33:48] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest |
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| [20:34:07] | wagnerrp: | since i took that mirror off the card, ive still got three ports left |
| [20:34:35] | wagnerrp: | i could toss another 750 in there |
| [20:34:52] | wagnerrp: | spend the 16+hrs to expand and rebuild |
| [20:36:55] | high-rez: | I'd like to find me some SAS expanders that do SFF 8470 |
| [20:37:23] | high-rez: | Then I could use this card and build my own external array |
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| [20:46:09] | wagnerrp: | PS3 gets 1080p/5.1/diskless netflix streaming next week |
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| [20:51:35] | high-rez: | How is it's UPnP support? I remember years ago when I played with it, if the media had any corruption at all (like a bird flow infront of your antenna) the PS3 would just barf out. |
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| [20:51:49] | wagnerrp: | dont know, havent attempted in almost two years |
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| [21:12:31] | wagnerrp: | someone said our opengl painter requires version 2.0? |
| [21:14:06] | iamlindoro: | We don't have any formalized GL requirements |
| [21:14:43] | wagnerrp: | well its barfing on my rage 128 |
| [21:14:48] | iamlindoro: | XBMC requires 2.0 with GLSL support, and if we want to take on similar eye candy we're likely to need to require the same |
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| [21:17:36] | wagnerrp: | so yeah... 1GHz P3 @ 1280x720 |
| [21:17:51] | wagnerrp: | im at about half CPU load playing 6.6mbps IVTV content |
| [21:18:23] | wagnerrp: | with about 220MB of memory usage |
| [21:18:56] | wagnerrp: | images take a moment to generate on first use |
| [21:19:05] | wagnerrp: | but other than that, its very responsive |
| [21:19:12] | wagnerrp: | not sure what the problem with those ATVs was |
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| [21:26:21] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i dont know what would be causing this poor UI performance you were seeing |
| [21:27:15] | iamlindoro: | Dunno what to tell you-- it was identical on 4 ATVs |
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| [22:50:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: its because im running gentoo, the optimized compile gave me /that/ much better performance... :P |
| [22:51:12] | wagnerrp: | 'course i more than made up for it in the four hours it too to compile myth |
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| [23:39:09] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im getting some weird compile issue with 26806, complaing the file was modified at just under 2hrs in the future |
| [23:39:41] | wagnerrp: | which would mean 21:24 local time, as opposed to 21:24UTC when it was actually committed |
| [23:39:41] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I don't think that could be anything I did |
| [23:41:28] | wagnerrp: | its some strange artifact of how the gentoo builds work |
| [23:41:33] | wagnerrp: | since its pulling a zip file off trac |
| [23:41:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's new |
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| [23:41:40] | wagnerrp: | instead of pulling from subversion |
| [23:41:42] | kormoc: | it didn't used to do that |
| [23:41:57] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: and in two hours, it will no longer do it |
| [23:42:01] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [23:42:03] | kormoc: | it's really weird |
| [23:42:14] | kormoc: | but if you re-pull it, it'll do it again |
| [23:42:18] | wagnerrp: | theres just something funky with how that file was committed |
| [23:42:25] | kormoc: | I don't think it's the file at all |
| [23:42:31] | kormoc: | I think it's the zip file creation in trac |
| [23:43:24] | wagnerrp: | oh, theyre all doing it |
| [23:43:35] | wagnerrp: | its just the pro files are the only ones that raise complaints |
| [23:44:13] | wagnerrp: | do zip files not support time zones? |
| [23:44:23] | wagnerrp: | or is it an issue with the 'unzip' utility? |
| [23:44:39] | kormoc: | I have no idea |
| [23:44:44] | kormoc: | haven't looked into it much |
| [23:45:08] | wagnerrp: | just means i cant compile anything newer than 5hrs old (or 8hrs for you) |
| [23:45:26] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [23:46:15] | wagnerrp: | worth putting some find/exec/touch call into the ebuild to 'fix' all the timestamps? |
| [23:46:18] | clever: | the svn system in gentoo sounds better, since it wont re-dl the same thing every time |
| [23:46:31] | wagnerrp: | clever: no, the zip system sounds better |
| [23:46:41] | wagnerrp: | since the zip files will be mirrored on the gentoo servers |
| [23:46:43] | clever: | if you did, write the find to only find files from the future |
| [23:46:48] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, somewhat. it'll kill the ccache |
| [23:47:06] | clever: | ah, didnt know it auto-mirrored the files |
| [23:47:15] | kormoc: | but it is what I'm planning to do when I have some time |
| [23:47:24] | wagnerrp: | the official ebuilds get their distfiles mirrored on the gentoo servers, so theres no load on ours |
| [23:47:29] | clever: | wagnerrp: in that case, id use zip for any specific version ebuilds and svn for the -9999, since that should be live always |
| [23:48:58] | clever: | versions like 0.22 would get mirrored, and trunk wont give you a mirror of questionable age |
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| [23:50:21] | kormoc: | I also need to update mine to auto create nightlys |
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| [23:50:45] | Baylink: | QUERY: I have a .23.1 backend being run from the provided initscript, and ps says the --logfile points to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log, the expected place, but that file is empty. It exists, with a creation date approximately that of the last boot, and it and the directory it lives in are 0777. But no logs. Any suggestions? |
| [23:51:09] | Baylink: | It appears to be running, and reasonably properly. |
| [23:51:09] | clever: | wagnerrp: also, read the entry in 'man unzip' for -f, that might hint towards a better fix |
| [23:51:40] | clever: | wagnerrp: i'm thinking if TZ is UTC, it will copy the files from the .zip as UTC, and then save them better |
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| [23:53:14] | clever: | wagnerrp: its similar to how mythtv messes up if the timezones dont match, set TZ to force it to match |
| [23:54:11] | wagnerrp: | clever: im thinking any .pro file newer than current is going to cause problems, so easiest would just be to 'touch' them and make them current |
| [23:54:33] | wagnerrp: | pro, or a handful of other extensions that may cause problems |
| [23:54:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, but it feels like setting TZ=UTC before you unpack the files would handle things properly and not need that fix |
| [23:55:12] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre saying unzip accepts a timezone parameter? |
| [23:55:26] | clever: | i'm saying it will treat the timestamps in the file as local |
| [23:55:46] | clever: | if you claim local is UTC by using the env variable TZ (same as with myth), it will then do things better |
| [23:58:16] | clever: | dont see the unpack function in the ebuild :S |
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