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Tuesday, October 5th, 2010, 00:04 UTC
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[00:11:08] Saviq: hmm any idea if there's a scan/szap-s2 that's newer than February '09?
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[00:15:03] Saviq: also, I'm having issues verifying that DVB-S2 support is included in 2.6.35 kernel?
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[00:40:46] ekristen: evening, was there a change recently to mythtv where the mythtv backend protocol changed to a 5 digital length instead of the two digit, like 23056 vs 56?
[00:41:22] wagnerrp: yes, the protocol was changed between 0.23 and 0.23.1
[00:41:47] wagnerrp: and instead of making it version 58, and have some strange issue where the release branch was 'newer' than the development branch
[00:41:58] wagnerrp: the minor version was just prepended to the version
[00:42:48] ekristen: thanks wagnerrp
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[00:48:45] Beirdo: making it 23000 versions newer :)
[00:48:46] Beirdo: heh
[00:50:31] tgm4883: Beirdo, that means it's 23000 times better right?
[00:51:22] sphery: actually, only 411.714 times better
[00:51:36] tgm4883: ah yea
[00:51:39] sphery: :)
[00:51:43] ** tgm4883 is struck down my math **
[00:52:13] Beirdo: heh
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[00:55:26] mjb: hello all
[00:56:00] tgm4883: \o
[00:56:10] mjb: I wonder if someone can help me.
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[00:56:34] mjb: I've run myth for a while, but I'm new to running separate frontend and backends.
[00:56:48] mjb: I have one backend, and one frontend.
[00:57:25] mjb: My IP changed on my backend...(stupid misconfiguration, didn't have a static IP on the box.
[00:57:54] mjb: So, I straightened that out, but, long story short, my IP changed on the backend.
[00:58:15] mjb: Wen I run frontend, it errors, and I go to the screen to change the Ip, and I did.
[00:58:34] mjb: But, it still seems to "remmeber" the old IP, when I run mythfroendend.
[00:58:47] mjb: I don't know where it's coming from.
[00:59:22] mjb: Is there some other place to look?
[00:59:25] tgm4883: mjb, did you run mythtv-setup to fix your IP?
[00:59:34] tgm4883: IIRC, it is in there as well
[00:59:41] mjb: I ran mythtv=setup on te back end the cange the ip there.
[01:00:02] NightMonkey: mjb: Check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, or ~<mythuser>/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[01:00:16] mjb: But, my problem is not on the backend, it's when I run mythfronetned, it still goes to the old backend IP.
[01:00:34] NightMonkey: mjb: Check those files on the frontend.
[01:02:10] NightMonkey: mjb: ?
[01:02:35] mjb: nope the mysql.txt files have correct ip.
[01:03:28] NightMonkey: mjb: I'm not sure if those two paths are the only paths that mythfrontend looks for mysql.txt.
[01:03:40] NightMonkey: mjb: Do you have files in both of thos locations?
[01:03:45] NightMonkey: s/thos/those/
[01:04:05] mjb: yes, and they both contain the correct IP.
[01:04:06] NightMonkey: Oh.
[01:04:19] NightMonkey: mjb: Did you change the hostname of the frontend?
[01:04:24] mjb: no
[01:04:36] mjb: only thing that changed was backend ip.
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[01:09:09] NightMonkey: mjb: You comfortable with mysql command line?
[01:09:23] NightMonkey: mjb: I'm curious what this returns:
[01:09:29] NightMonkey: use mythconverg;
[01:09:29] mjb: Yes, no problem w/ command line....
[01:09:35] NightMonkey: select * from settings where value = "BackendServerIP";
[01:10:11] NightMonkey: And then...
[01:10:17] NightMonkey: select * from settings where value = "MasterServerIP";
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[01:11:10] mjb: I keep getting access denied when I run mysql
[01:11:31] wagnerrp: then you havent given mysql access to your remote frontend
[01:11:42] mjb: I'm an Oracle DBA by trade, but I'm clueless when it comes to mysql!
[01:12:06] mjb: I couldn't even run mysql from backend
[01:12:22] wagnerrp: "grant all on mythconverg.* to 'username'@'hostname' identified by 'password';"
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[01:12:41] mjb: Can't do that till I get connected to mysql.
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[01:13:02] wagnerrp: `mysql`
[01:14:31] mjb: Ok, got usernad password from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[01:14:36] mjb: I'm connected now....
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[01:16:13] mjb: Ok, here is my problem.....
[01:16:32] mjb: mysql> use mythconverg;
[01:16:33] mjb: Reading table information for completion of table and column names
[01:16:33] mjb: You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A
[01:16:33] mjb: Database changed
[01:16:33] mjb: mysql> select * from settings where value="BackendServerIP"
[01:16:34] mjb: -> ;
[01:16:36] mjb: +-----------------+--------------+----------+
[01:16:38] mjb: | value | data | hostname |
[01:16:40] mjb: +-----------------+--------------+----------+
[01:16:42] mjb: | BackendServerIP | 192.168.1.50 | jupiter |
[01:16:44] mjb: | BackendServerIP | 192.168.1.50 | jupiter |
[01:16:45] wagnerrp: come on...
[01:16:46] mjb: +-----------------+--------------+----------+
[01:16:48] mjb: 2 rows in set (0.00 sec)
[01:16:49] sphery: who keeps doing that?
[01:16:50] mjb: mysql> select * from settings where value="MasterServerIP";
[01:16:50] wagnerrp: you should no better than that
[01:16:52] mjb: +----------------+---------------+----------+
[01:16:54] mjb: | value | data | hostname |
[01:16:56] mjb: +----------------+---------------+----------+
[01:16:58] mjb: | MasterServerIP | 192.168.1.140 | NULL |
[01:17:00] mjb: +----------------+---------------+----------+
[01:17:04] mjb: 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
[01:17:06] mjb: So, question is, how to I change MASTERSERP?
[01:17:19] sphery: oh, wait, that's not masterserverip
[01:17:21] sphery: nvm
[01:17:24] wagnerrp: by not pasting dozens of lines of garbage in here
[01:17:28] sphery: mjb: in mythtv-setup
[01:17:35] wagnerrp: first section, first page
[01:17:45] mjb: Sorry about the pasting.
[01:17:51] mjb: Won't do it again.
[01:17:51] sphery: same page that you used to change the backend server ip
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[01:18:23] sphery: I thought this was another case of masterserverip/port being set to a host-based setting instead of global
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[01:19:12] mjb: Geez....
[01:19:18] mjb: I'm such a bonehead!
[01:19:30] wagnerrp: no argument here
[01:20:07] mjb: When the IP changed, I ran mythtv-setup, and I updated my IP.....but I glossed right over where you're supposed to set the Mster server ip as well!
[01:20:28] wagnerrp: hopefully thats something we clean up for 0.25
[01:20:31] mjb: Stupid,stupid,stupid....
[01:20:39] wagnerrp: maybe require you to select the backend from a dropdown list
[01:21:11] wagnerrp: sphery: we have a list of things that need changing anywhere?
[01:21:37] mjb: WEll, I'm new to running separate frontend/gackend, and when the IP changed, I totally missed that.....
[01:21:51] mjb: Rest assured I won't make that mistake again.
[01:22:05] wagnerrp: no, the two different settings are something that people trip up on all the time
[01:22:09] mjb: And sorry again about pasting stuff....didn't know it was bad etiquette.
[01:22:34] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TaskBrowserBasedSetup ?
[01:22:52] iamlindoro: specifically, my addition "Simplify slave backend setup with a simple checkbox or by detecting existing backends and offering a simple option to add this backend to the existing setup."
[01:22:55] wagnerrp: yep, that would do it
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[02:22:32] iamlindoro: http://mythtv-fr.tuxfamily.org/wiki/ateliers# . . . paris_-_2010 hahah... There's a slide show-- everything you need to know about MythTv in 92 simple slides (in French)
[02:22:52] iamlindoro: GRRR, with a million screenshots of MythCenter
[02:22:53] iamlindoro: FFS
[02:23:25] iamlindoro: ugh, and advice to create a channels.conf....
[02:26:52] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: Sweet. Add that to the mythtv docs stat. ;)
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[02:30:05] NightMonkey: mjb: A cmdline tool like wgetpaste is really usefull. :)
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[04:09:41] wagnerrp: anyone ever run two power supplies in a single PC?
[04:09:59] [R]: i've seen big dell servers have 2
[04:10:16] wagnerrp: im not talking about matched redundant units
[04:10:21] wagnerrp: i mean two independent supplies
[04:10:45] [R]: i suppose if you could get enough load on the second one...
[04:10:51] [R]: don't see why it woudl'nt work
[04:10:54] wagnerrp: i cant manage to bring up my server with all the drives attached
[04:11:05] wagnerrp: raid card keeps reporting dropped drives
[04:11:23] [R]: but it might look for load on the 24 pin connector
[04:13:42] mag0o: http://www.directron.com/2powersupplies.html may help
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[04:15:43] wagnerrp: mag0o: thats what i was thinking of
[04:15:51] wagnerrp: just dont know anyone who has actually done it
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[04:16:21] mag0o: I actually think I have done it, but it was a couple years ago
[04:16:29] mag0o: it's been a while
[04:16:38] wagnerrp: or i could just remove my recording drives and MBE over to my SBE
[04:16:41] mag0o: actually, now that I think about it, i have done it
[04:16:42] wagnerrp: omit the NFS mounts
[04:16:51] mag0o: had to stick the 2nd supply in the bottom of the tower case
[04:16:59] wagnerrp: give me some motivation to get mythfs running again
[04:18:30] mag0o: hehe, youtube guy with instructions – you will need a computer, a second power supply, pliers and electrical tape
[04:18:51] wagnerrp: yeah, also need a switch or relay, and i have neither
[04:18:55] Beirdo: note to all...
[04:19:25] Beirdo: compiling mythtv in a virtualbox on an Atom... painful
[04:19:27] wagnerrp: the annoying thing its its a 650W, and im nowhere near that
[04:19:35] wagnerrp: its just that startup
[04:19:45] wagnerrp: its killing me
[04:19:58] mag0o: is there a spin delay option in the bios wagnerrp ?
[04:20:06] [R]: Beirdo: who runs vbox on atom to begin with
[04:20:16] wagnerrp: ive got the RAID card set to a 0.6s spin delay on the drives
[04:20:24] wagnerrp: whether they actually obey it... i cant say
[04:20:38] wagnerrp: had the same problem getting it booted a couple months ago
[04:20:51] wagnerrp: i ended up manually powering up the drives delayed to get it to work
[04:21:02] wagnerrp: but thats hardly a solution
[04:21:02] Beirdo: [R]: someone who has that available right now, duh
[04:21:09] [R]: lol
[04:21:37] wagnerrp: yeah, im with [R]... cant come up with any reason to ever run a VM on an Atom
[04:22:10] mag0o: maybe run win 3.1 on a VM on an atom?
[04:22:11] Beirdo: because that's what I have available, now stop being a CPU snob :)
[04:22:32] wagnerrp: you want to run an Atom, thats fine... but why are you running a VM?
[04:22:55] mag0o: duh! he's using distcc to compile!!!
[04:22:58] mag0o: hehe
[04:22:59] Beirdo: because there's no way I'm installing pulseaudio on my real box
[04:23:04] wagnerrp: ah
[04:23:29] Beirdo: it's one of those viruses that are nearly impossible to get rid of
[04:25:13] Beirdo: oh wait a swc
[04:25:24] Beirdo: my devel box.... sigh
[04:25:41] Beirdo: I could move the disk images over, but it would take forever too
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[04:27:02] Beirdo: hmmm
[04:27:13] Beirdo: the libs ARE installed
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[04:29:35] Beirdo: wonder if I can trick the code into failing
[04:29:37] Beirdo: heh
[04:30:48] Beirdo: oh, I hate to say this...
[04:30:58] Beirdo: but ps -ae | grep pulseaudio
[04:31:03] Beirdo: is a crappy test
[04:31:10] Beirdo: vi pulseaudi
[04:31:16] Beirdo: vi pulseaudio rather
[04:31:36] Beirdo: hmmm, no -ae won't show it
[04:31:47] Beirdo: still, easy for me to fake
[04:34:21] Beirdo: shall try it in a moment
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[04:40:47] NightMonkey: Anyone use a Optoma HD20 here?
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[04:43:32] Beirdo: heheh
[04:43:36] Beirdo: it tries
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[04:49:32] wagnerrp: well it looks like im reinstalling tonight!
[04:49:56] wagnerrp: i just snapped off the SATA data connector on my boot drive
[04:50:34] [R]: wtf...
[04:51:20] wagnerrp: the little plastic support tab
[04:51:23] wagnerrp: theyre incredibly weak
[04:51:31] wagnerrp: i pulled too much and... <crack>
[04:53:03] Criggie: too many muscles there wagnerrp ?
[04:53:34] wagnerrp: no, too short a cable
[04:53:59] [R]: that's definately what she said
[04:54:22] kormoc: unhappily
[04:54:37] kormoc: wagnerrp, I've done that before, crappy design
[04:55:04] wagnerrp: the SAS connectors are much better
[04:56:36] high-rez: So here's my weekly question  – has a 0.24 branch been created ?
[04:56:51] wagnerrp: no
[04:56:56] kormoc: high-rez, it'd be faster for you to just look
[04:57:09] high-rez: kormoc: nothing is faster than wangerrp ;)
[04:57:41] high-rez: I'm not actually sure how I would check? Would you guys note in the subversion logs somewhere ?
[04:57:46] wagnerrp: wiki down for anyone else?
[04:58:00] wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches
[04:58:17] high-rez: It's down for me
[04:58:47] high-rez: ALl of mythtv.org:80 is down actually. SYN sent – no SYNACK
[04:59:37] kormoc: works for me (tm)(r)
[04:59:41] high-rez: Oh I finally got a synack. The host is /really/ /really/ slow for me
[05:00:52] high-rez: Ok, now that I can see the other branches. What's -rec ? :)
[05:01:17] high-rez: Oh, and the wiki just started working for me.
[05:05:59] jstenback: anyone know if anyone is working on zoom auto detection when using vdpau for playback?
[05:06:53] kormoc: jstenback, no, we are not currently
[05:07:09] jstenback: ok, know if there are any plans?
[05:07:38] sphery: jstenback: ttbomk, the idea is to do letter/pillar-box detection while/after recording in some mythcommflag-like process
[05:07:39] kormoc: we're planning to start using the commflagger to get the info we need for that, which shouldn't be too hard, but unlikely to get done for a little while
[05:07:55] sphery: jstenback: the problem with vdpau is that we don't currently get the video frame to analyze
[05:08:12] kormoc: jstenback, it's actually fairly costly to copy the frame back to analyze it
[05:08:23] jstenback: makes sense
[05:08:31] jstenback: I like the commflagger idea...
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[05:08:43] sphery: I feel like a mini-kormoc tonight
[05:08:48] jstenback: you're crunching through the data anyways
[05:08:55] jstenback: might as well store it
[05:08:57] sphery: (saying almost exactly the same thing as him :)
[05:09:01] jstenback: :)
[05:09:10] kormoc: jstenback, the commflagger actually detects that all too, just gotta store it in the markup table
[05:09:42] kormoc: jstenback, so if say a user with a interest in this was to spend a little time and throw together a patch, it'd be all the sooner to get out :)
[05:09:47] kormoc: sphery, heh
[05:10:02] jstenback: kormoc: understood
[05:12:27] sphery: I know this much is true: I never expected to hear Spandau Ballet on Medium
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[05:21:49] [R]: i set up a new graph to graph the # of hdpvr errors per minute
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[05:24:22] Beirdo: uh huh
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[05:24:44] ** Beirdo starts graphing the [R] whining per hour **
[05:24:50] [R]: lol
[05:24:52] [R]: thats not whining
[05:25:03] Beirdo: that's what she said
[05:25:06] [R]: wtf
[05:25:15] Beirdo: heh
[05:25:22] Beirdo: you've never been married, I bet
[05:25:26] Beirdo: hehe
[05:25:27] [R]: i'm only 25
[05:25:47] Beirdo: and?
[05:25:52] [R]: way too young
[05:25:56] kormoc: in the south you'd have 5 kids and been married for 10 years!
[05:26:01] Beirdo: my dad was 25 when I was born... second child
[05:26:19] [R]: so i like this collectd daemon
[05:26:50] [R]: is there something better i should be using for graphing?
[05:26:50] Beirdo: cacti :)
[05:27:17] [R]: that stuff is super complicated
[05:27:19] [R]: i only have 2 hosts
[05:27:36] Beirdo: wuss
[05:27:54] [R]: lol
[05:27:58] [R]: i've tried it so many times
[05:28:00] kormoc: they're both rrdtool frontends
[05:28:39] [R]: i want to graph both my cores on one graph
[05:29:00] Beirdo: so do it
[05:29:06] [R]: i dunno how
[05:29:23] Beirdo: sorry, myth doesn't have a plugin for that
[05:29:30] [R]: haha
[05:29:58] kormoc: so use cacti + snmp
[05:30:28] [R]: cacti is super hard
[05:30:29] Beirdo: that's too hard for him. He needs to think outside the []
[05:30:30] [R]: (THAT'
[05:30:32] [R]: S what she said)
[05:30:39] [R]: Beirdo: haha
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[05:33:58] [R]: oh haha... i could graph the number of recordings
[05:34:04] [R]: or the number of recording rules
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[06:01:57] mak69: when i press enter upon 'watch tv' i receive mythtv has no capture cards defined. please run the mythtv-setup program. need help!
[06:02:36] [R]: mak69: sounds like you didnt configure myth
[06:05:05] mak69: [R]: i went to setup and did just hit 'next' button other than that i did nothing, am not familiar with the options there. Can you help?
[06:05:36] [R]: the documentation clearly explains everything you need to do
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[06:06:59] [R]: that wasn't an invitation to msg me
[06:07:04] [R]: that was an invitation to read the documnetation
[06:08:24] [R]: STILL not an invitation to msg me
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[06:09:58] mak69: when i press enter upon 'watch tv' i receive mythtv has no capture cards defined. please run the mythtv-setup program. need help!
[06:10:23] [R]: [11:02:36] [R] mak69: sounds like you didnt configure myth
[06:10:42] kormoc: mak69, read the docs in www.mythtv.org
[06:10:47] kormoc: it's not a simple answer
[06:10:57] Beirdo: chirp chirp chirp
[06:11:17] Beirdo: stupid drive
[06:11:33] Beirdo: no dying before I replace you, you stupid drive
[06:12:34] Beirdo: replacements should be here tomorrow, according to Amazon
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[06:27:40] mak69: i have installed mythtv frontend and when i press enter upon 'watch tv' i receive mythtv has no capture cards defined. please run the mythtv-setup program. need help!
[06:28:23] [R]: mak69: how many times are you going to say the same thing and we are going to answer the same way?
[06:28:36] [R]: mak69: you need to configure mythtv. you need to read the documentation. end of story.
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[07:05:25] justinh: so... wonder what I should do about this failed recordings issue
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[07:06:53] justinh: gah. the more I look in this log the more I don't like what I see
[07:07:00] justinh: Duplicate entry '1301-2010-10–07 03:55:00–0' for key 'PRIMARY'
[07:07:42] justinh: http://pastebin.ca/1954575
[07:08:05] justinh: wonder what channel 1301 is
[07:08:40] justinh: 301.. heh. the 'red button' channel
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[07:16:15] justinh: I need to reaquaint myself with what mythbackend says when it starts up
[07:16:24] justinh: I think I'm seeing loads of restarts in my logs
[07:17:44] justinh: ah it'd say 'starting up' somewhere in among all that
[07:18:40] justinh: oh. so it hasn't actually fallen over. all the version reports in the log are erm.. extraneous
[07:18:59] justinh: well that's good to know
[07:19:31] kormoc: So what's the hardware requirements for VDA?
[07:20:27] kormoc: ahh, 9400M or newer
[07:20:37] kormoc: my 8800 is left out in the cold
[07:22:00] justinh: I think running the backend with -v record for a while might be an idea. any caveats there – like it'll slow things down churning out log++++ ?
[07:23:46] justinh: I reckon I also need to look at the signals. I've only really had these missed recordings since I moved the backend downstairs – kept the same amplified splitter but the coax feed is about 10 metres shorter
[07:26:44] wagnerrp: crap...
[07:27:06] wagnerrp: i just did a lengthy manual install of freebsd, so i could have a ZFS mirror as a root disk
[07:27:20] wagnerrp: only to find my board is too old to support guid partition tables
[07:27:22] wagnerrp: and wont boot
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[07:29:06] justinh: eew! 2010-10–05 08:28:57.904 DVBRec(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): PID 0x69 discontinuity detected
[07:31:20] justinh: beginning to suspect the signals are borderline junk
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[07:33:28] wagnerrp: seems the chanserv signon message is a bit dated
[07:34:32] kormoc: hrm
[07:34:43] kormoc: OS X is only a white screen on playback :(
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[07:36:04] justinh: oh wait.. this could actually have all started post DSO when they upped the power levels tenfold
[07:36:29] justinh: wonder if I can find either a) a passive 4x splitter or b) an attenuator
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[07:37:10] wagnerrp: power levels are too high for your tuner to properly handle?
[07:37:28] justinh: aye.. seems so
[07:37:45] wagnerrp: ive heard that happening with cable systems, but never broadcast
[07:37:58] justinh: tuners generally have a pretty wide AGC but there's only so much a frontend can do
[07:38:59] justinh: before, I didn't need an amp with only 2 tuners on the antenna – went into 1st tuner, looped into 2nd.. but it wasn't enough oomph for a 3rd
[07:39:22] justinh: that was when the DTV signals were like 10kW
[07:40:01] justinh: so to fix that I got a 4x amplified splitter, aka distribution amp. no idea what its gain is
[07:40:21] justinh: then when analogue went the way of the dodo here they upped the DTV power 10x
[07:41:12] justinh: also wonder if not terminating the 4th output of the splitter is causing issues
[07:41:26] justinh: the numbers I get from femon are all good though
[07:41:39] justinh: status SCVYL | signal 2a2a | snr ffff | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
[07:42:03] justinh: SNR is suspiciously high, but then it always has been
[07:43:40] justinh: I'd make my own attenuator except for the fact we don't have values that exotic here
[07:49:09] justinh: crap. gain per split of the UHF amp I used is 12dB
[07:49:19] Beirdo: heh
[07:49:29] justinh: I probably gained 3dB by losing 10m of cable
[07:49:45] justinh: add in the power increase and er...
[07:49:46] Beirdo: about that, likely
[07:49:47] justinh: boof!
[07:49:57] Beirdo: 15dB net gain...
[07:49:58] Beirdo: eek
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[07:50:42] justinh: 3.5dB noise figure.. wonder what that means exactly
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[07:51:22] Beirdo: I don't recall exactly, but I think essentially it removes 3.5dB of SNR
[07:51:59] Beirdo: raises noise floor 3.5dB probalby
[07:52:20] justinh: yeah sounds likely
[07:52:33] justinh: but DTV looks like wideband noise anyway :D
[07:53:01] Beirdo: yup, that's what it means
[07:53:02] Beirdo: heh
[07:53:28] justinh: it is – pseudo-random noise
[07:54:09] justinh: oh gawd yeah.. I also removed the feed from the TV
[07:54:15] Beirdo: noise factor is defined as: NF = SNRin (dB) – SNR out (dB)
[07:54:54] justinh: the aerial came into the house, went into a 2 way splitter (3dB down right there) – one leg of that went to the input of the amp, the other into the livingroom TV
[07:55:08] justinh: when analogue was switched off I pulled the splitter out
[07:55:28] justinh: so I'm prolly 6dB up.. plus 12dB
[07:55:36] justinh: in a strong signal area.. oops
[07:55:45] justinh: serves me right for believing femon
[07:55:49] Beirdo: hehe
[07:55:57] Beirdo: poor receivers
[07:56:22] justinh: yeah I bet the voltage follower of the AGC is sweating
[07:56:25] justinh: ;)
[07:56:32] Beirdo: hehe
[07:56:34] Beirdo: railed
[07:57:14] justinh: so.. do I fix this the cheap way or a better way? i.e. just shove a 12dB attenuator on the front or do I buy a better amp/split? hmmm
[07:57:34] Beirdo: yes
[07:57:39] Beirdo: eheh
[07:58:12] justinh: get the attenuator first I think. then if it doesn't work I still have a good attenuator. always come in handy sooner or later
[07:58:34] justinh: I somehow came by a couple of ones for cable, but they've got f-connectors
[08:00:11] Beirdo: probably a good choice
[08:00:26] Beirdo: well, I think I'll head to bed
[08:01:16] justinh: night then
[08:01:36] Beirdo: it is 1am after all
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[08:13:33] justinh: heh most passive splitters are more like 4dB loss.. about 40% of the input goes to each of the 2 outputs
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[10:02:07] justinh: heheh I made my own 12dB attenuator :D
[10:02:24] justinh: fully screened too, and pretty compact
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[11:30:07] Peitolm: I have a couple of series recorded, that currently don't have useful metadata like 'original air date' or anything else that would tell me which order in which to watch them, I was looking at the db schema, and I can see 'programid' does anyone know what the correct format for this field is?
[11:34:15] justinh: show columns from recorded;
[11:34:55] justinh: programid is a unique number generally assigned by the data source – e.g. schedulesdirect or your xmltv grabber
[11:36:21] Peitolm: ta, looks like the radio times grabber isn't provind that info
[11:36:25] justinh: nope
[11:36:35] Peitolm: guess, i'll plug in something like s1e1 then
[11:36:46] justinh: slel ?
[11:37:12] Peitolm: s<series number>e<episode number>
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[11:38:28] justinh: heh
[11:38:30] justinh: damn courier font
[11:39:13] justinh: heh uk_rt updated the icon for 'channel one' all by itself
[11:39:34] Peitolm: :)
[11:39:43] Peitolm: beats having to do it manually like we used to
[11:40:13] justinh: dunno – it was never much of a pain. I mean it's not something you have to do many times
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[11:50:02] justinh: ruh? channel One isn't 24h anymore?
[11:51:50] Peitolm: if i have a job set to automaticall move a recording from one directory (default storage group on master backend) to another (NFS mounted big-box-o-disks), do i need to do anything afterwards, or will myth find the file?
[11:53:04] justinh: you shouldn't do that
[11:53:16] justinh: unless the job does it properly
[11:53:32] justinh: properly meaning copies the file, then deletes the recording
[11:53:48] justinh: but you'll still have to update the video database – which you can't do on the commandline
[11:55:55] Peitolm: this isn't a video, it's a recording
[11:56:57] Peitolm: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:MythTV . . . orage_Groups seems to suggest that it will automatically search all available storage groups to find a file
[11:57:03] justinh: oh yeah as long as ...
[11:57:15] justinh: but AFAIK it'd only search TV SGs
[11:57:43] Peitolm: ah, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#storagegroups suggests 'mv' would be fine
[11:57:59] Peitolm: only being TV SGs would be o.k.,
[11:58:24] Peitolm: I'd just rather have the writes independant of the reads
[11:58:55] Peitolm: (as i see IO_Bound messages when watching a recording whilst 2 encoders are in use)
[11:59:09] justinh: ruh? nasty!
[11:59:35] Peitolm: yep, leads to glitches in the steram
[11:59:37] Peitolm: stream
[11:59:46] justinh: wouldn't expect that. I maxxed out an athlon 800 backend with 10 simultaneous SDTV recordings when multirec first appeared in trunk
[12:00:01] justinh: 10 was the max I hacked the code to, FYI
[12:00:04] justinh: from 5
[12:00:16] justinh: ok so only 6 or 7 were TV channels but hey
[12:00:25] gbee: depends as much on the drives, what are you using?
[12:00:28] Peitolm: 2 encoders to NFS and 1 read
[12:00:36] Peitolm: NFS being the issue
[12:00:39] gbee: ah, yeah
[12:00:39] justinh: it coped fine – apart from the scheduler spiking the CPU once in a while ;)
[12:01:07] justinh: might aswell add 'Yesterday' to my xmltv lineup since we're starting to use it now
[12:01:49] Peitolm: I don't have the money to buy a separate ZIL for the NFS server, and i have 55G available on my master backend for temporary files
[12:02:11] justinh: oof
[12:02:25] justinh: the price of disks these days, that's a shame
[12:02:37] Peitolm: i'd want it to be an SSD
[12:02:47] justinh: absolutely no need though
[12:03:11] Peitolm: for a ZIL?
[12:03:27] justinh: no idea what you mean
[12:03:35] Peitolm: :)
[12:03:54] Peitolm: ZIL = ZFS intent log,
[12:04:03] justinh: meh
[12:05:06] Peitolm: it's o.k., it looks like my solution will work, i just need a suitable gap in the schedule to implement it
[12:05:08] justinh: a bit OTT for my tastes
[12:05:47] Peitolm: the NFS box does a lot of other stuff that separating out the ZIL from the zpool in question would help that spending the money on an SSD would be worth it
[12:06:13] justinh: at home? overkill, if you ask me :)
[12:06:47] Peitolm: for some, maybe, for me, debateable
[12:07:40] justinh: mind you, lord knows what kind of storage requirements my son is going to want when he starts growing up
[12:07:53] justinh: storage/network/computing...
[12:08:02] ** Peitolm is at 400G+ of photos **
[12:08:08] justinh: whaaaaaaaa? lol
[12:08:33] at0m: justinh: wait till your son starts crawling/walking ;p
[12:08:58] justinh: at0m: oh aye.. then batten down all the hatches, doors, cupboards, drawers.. and batten the battens
[12:08:58] Peitolm: at0m: that reminds me, must build that perspex hi-fi guard
[12:09:15] Peitolm: justinh: how old is your son? sounds like ihe's what 5–6months?
[12:09:25] justinh: 9 weeks today actually
[12:09:29] at0m: :)
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[12:09:34] Peitolm: aww, still little then
[12:09:39] justinh: trying not to think too far ahead but it's all inevitable
[12:09:49] Peitolm: not even rolling over yet
[12:10:01] justinh: almost there though
[12:10:13] justinh: don't think it'll be long
[12:10:16] justinh: then we're for it
[12:10:18] Peitolm: hear that Justinh? That is the sound of inevitability
[12:10:54] justinh: actually by the time he's 3 months old I'll have a daft amount of video & photos to back up
[12:11:15] justinh: over 10GB of video so far.. needs editing mind
[12:11:52] justinh: reminds me I have to start looking at hardware for a new desktop box. something qith 4 cores or more
[12:12:05] Peitolm: oops, did i say 400G? (for some reason it's 660G, willhave to check when i get home)
[12:12:15] at0m: storage volume != CPU clock cycles
[12:12:26] at0m: 8 cores storage \o/
[12:12:45] justinh: at0m: no, for *editing*, silly
[12:12:59] at0m: :>
[12:13:01] justinh: my core duo laptop can't cut AVCHD
[12:13:28] justinh: or rather it can, but it's not quite the fluid experience anybody would ever enjoy
[12:13:44] at0m: cinelera does farming :>
[12:13:45] Peitolm: I need to do something about this video collection, 1.43TB of recordings is a little excessive
[12:14:01] justinh: cinelera is erm... really not very good
[12:14:19] at0m: haven't used it much, but toyed w it some years ago
[12:14:21] justinh: plus I paid very good money for Sony Vegas
[12:14:29] justinh: that can also do farming
[12:14:39] justinh: up to 3 machines... realistic for home use
[12:14:42] at0m: oh cool
[12:14:49] at0m: now to find 3 win machines =]
[12:14:53] justinh: assuming your machines at home have any welly, that is :D
[12:15:44] at0m: fek been troubleshooting LAN stuff for 3 days, i'm done w that for now
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[12:15:50] at0m: better go do some proper work =]
[12:16:12] justinh: I'm done building my attenuators now. they're rather spiffy
[12:16:18] at0m: =]
[12:16:46] justinh: used BNC connectors too
[12:17:20] justinh: still very tempted to bring the backend in for a day & sort the tuner cards out with BNCs
[12:18:08] Peitolm: justinh: what are you using for captures ooi?
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[12:19:47] justinh: 3x leadtek lr6650
[12:20:05] justinh: the forerunner of the dtv1000 card – minus analogue video input
[12:20:17] justinh: oem dealy. got dirt cheap from ebay
[12:20:37] Peitolm: DVB-T
[12:20:48] Peitolm: cool
[12:21:02] justinh: I'd have to be a muppet not to have gone digital already
[12:21:12] justinh: esp. since analogue bit the dust here last year
[12:21:32] Peitolm: i just have DVB-S and a PVR-350
[12:21:39] justinh: I used to have a pvr150 grabbing a cable STB but we cancelled all the pay tv stuff
[12:21:46] justinh: on account of there being naff all on
[12:21:50] Peitolm: keep thinking about getting a second DVB-S
[12:22:10] Peitolm: EPSN is on pay iirc,
[12:22:19] justinh: not into sport
[12:22:52] justinh: used to play squash & racquetball.. but kicking a ball around a field.. MEH
[12:23:13] Peitolm: I only watch UFC on it
[12:23:31] justinh: you love your TLAs don't you? lol
[12:24:06] Peitolm: well, i could have typed out "Ultimate Fighting Championship". but UFC is just as googleably
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[12:24:12] Peitolm: e/y$/e/
[12:25:03] justinh: again, if I wanna see fighting I'll go back to my hometown
[12:25:08] justinh: no-holds-barred there
[12:25:11] justinh: blood & everything
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[12:25:58] Peitolm: why again?
[12:26:21] Peitolm: but yes, I know some people don't like it
[12:26:37] Peitolm: t'wife just thinks it's men hugging
[12:26:44] justinh: lol
[12:27:10] justinh: think I'd sooner watch that than Xfactor or whatever tho
[12:27:46] Peitolm: true
[12:27:55] justinh: I think there's only Chuck & some doccys I watch now.. and the last episode of S3 of Chuck was on last night
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[12:28:06] Peitolm: i'd rather watch a blank screen than x-stars-on-ice
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[12:29:00] Peitolm: wife watches a lot of stuff on livingTV, but otherwise non free stuff is just on discovery (I like deadliest catch)
[12:29:06] justinh: shudder
[12:29:12] justinh: livingtv :)
[12:29:37] justinh: a Sky rep who came around the other week was funny, claiming I could pick my own channel package
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[12:30:07] justinh: there is actually some stuff on pay telly I wouldn't mind seeing but I don't want to pay £30 a month for a whole load of other rubbish I don't want
[12:30:59] justinh: gimme proper a la carte telly.. on demand.. with a UI that doesn't suck
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[12:31:13] justinh: and FYI that means not in a flash-based player too ;)
[12:31:33] Peitolm: there's some new thing for the UK that was being bandied about, let me check my mailling list archives
[12:31:53] justinh: now called Youview
[12:32:04] justinh: formerly known as Project Kangaroo
[12:32:13] justinh: online streaming, low bitrate flash crap
[12:34:42] gbee: and Sky has stirred up a storm against it, claiming it will undermine the commercial rivals
[12:36:01] gbee: they've spread propaganda (and cash) far and wide in an attempt to discredit the scheme, lots of little special interest groups are suddenly appearing to lobby against it
[12:37:30] Peitolm: I think i was thinking of http://www.tvcatchup.com/channels.html
[12:37:55] Peitolm: wasn't kagaroo the cross-company one, no, that was canvas
[12:38:23] gbee: Kangaroo === Canvas === Youview
[12:39:55] gbee: Canvas was an evolution of Kangeroo after Sky suceeded in sabotaging the first version, they've recently rebranded Canvas as Youview
[12:40:24] Peitolm: ah
[12:41:32] gbee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouView
[12:41:57] gbee: if anything, Youview is bigger than Kangeroo, Sky shot themselves in the foot
[12:42:23] justinh: tvcatchup – same old same old. flash streaming junk
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[12:43:04] justinh: I'm not one of those people rushing to replace traditional broadcast media with an inferior, albeit convenient alternative
[12:43:46] justinh: don't get me wrong, I probably wouldn't hate flash if it didn't eat CPU like a bugger and if the flash player could sync redraws so the video didn't tear
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[12:45:12] Peitolm: bit of a shame BskyB bought all the virgin channels
[12:45:45] justinh: murdo co needs a big smack on the head
[12:45:47] gbee: yeah, I fully expect they intend to slowly kill off the free ones
[12:46:31] justinh: it's disgusting that the only choices for TV are murdoch, VM & freeview
[12:46:50] justinh: freesat/freeview.. same diff.
[12:46:50] gbee: freeview/freesat
[12:47:46] gbee: well there is the BT stuff, as though anyone believes IPTV is worthwhile
[12:48:18] justinh: it might be good
[12:48:32] justinh: I'm all for a la carte, pay for what you use
[12:48:34] Peitolm: murdoch, and freeview
[12:48:42] Peitolm: or rather free and pay,
[12:48:55] Peitolm: ignore that
[12:48:55] gbee: I don't see how they can offer picture quality with the available bandwidth
[12:49:05] justinh: gbee: no, nor me
[12:49:15] Peitolm: gbee: iPlayer seems to work well enough
[12:49:17] justinh: when I said 'might be good' I meant eventually
[12:49:30] justinh: Peitolm: iplayer is sourced from broadcast media anyway
[12:49:38] justinh: so it's dvb-t, then transcoded
[12:49:45] justinh: lossy to lossy.. eeew
[12:49:48] Peitolm: it's not
[12:49:52] justinh: yes it is
[12:50:08] gbee: Peitolm: I disagree, but I know that the majority of people are happy with the inferior quality :(
[12:50:09] Peitolm: it's sourced pre-conversion to dvb-t/dvb-s/dvb-c
[12:50:22] Peitolm: but after playout
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[12:50:36] justinh: I think it depends where it comes from
[12:50:48] justinh: iplayer on cable in def. better than broadcast Q
[12:50:53] Peitolm: I thought all iplayer stuff was beeb founded
[12:50:54] justinh: s/in/is/
[12:50:58] justinh: it is
[12:51:08] gbee: that said, the quality of many channels on Freesat/Freeview is just as bad, if not worse
[12:51:12] justinh: with a big recording/transcoding/watermarking farm
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[12:51:19] Peitolm: justinh: i'm referring to iplayer on PS3, that seems to work fine for me
[12:51:29] Peitolm: that's about the only time i use iplayer
[12:51:34] justinh: the 'HQ' streams look OK
[12:51:41] gbee: the desire to cram in as much junk like shopping channels as possible at the cost of bitrate :(
[12:51:42] justinh: it's not as good as the best broadcast though
[12:51:44] Peitolm: most of the time i already have the stuff i want to watch recorded on Myth
[12:51:54] justinh: it's 'good enough' to watch
[12:52:25] justinh: we handed technical quality away years ago :-(
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[12:53:05] Peitolm: ah ha, seesaw was what i was thinking of, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeeSaw_%28Internet_television%29
[12:53:39] justinh: I know somebody (kind of) who worked on seesaw's launch
[12:53:47] justinh: yet MORE flash junk
[12:54:24] justinh: strange, you know.. but some flash video players.. embedded or otherwise – manage to play video really well
[12:54:51] justinh: sadly they tend to be the ones not on popular sites like youtube, seesaw etc
[12:55:01] gbee: yeah, SeeSaw and Canvas span out of Kangeroo, Seesaw taking the technology and flash based plan of the original, Canvas taking the cross-party solution and applying it to IPTV instead
[12:55:09] Peitolm: blip.tv and wassname, vimeo
[12:55:25] justinh: vimeo stuff plays nicely on my laptop
[12:55:28] Peitolm: i'm not sure about the first one now
[12:55:41] justinh: smooth, no tearing.. doesn't hog the cpu much..
[12:56:01] gbee: justinh: have you played with HTML5's video stuff? It's just beautiful
[12:56:05] gbee: in opera at least
[12:56:21] justinh: nope. don't do much messing about these days for some reason
[12:57:26] justinh: gah. I have a network switch to update the firmware on.. this is the thing our marketing dept. is claiming is unbreakably secure
[12:57:55] justinh: it's only zeroconf stuff behind NAT
[12:58:50] gbee: http://sublimevideo.net/demo << Only if your browser doesn't support HTML 5 video or the codec used, it falls back to flash ..
[12:59:11] Peitolm: iirc, there is a html5 version of youtube
[12:59:37] justinh: Peitolm: so what's worth watching on youtube?
[12:59:48] justinh: that doesn't take 6 hours to stumble upon I mean :)
[13:00:18] Peitolm: a couple of photographers i follow link to stuff on youtube
[13:00:19] gbee: Peitolm: there is, but very little content, I've tried and failed to find any videos which are encoded for HTML 5, all the popular/front page stuff uses flash
[13:00:29] justinh: gbee: my duron 900 desktop no likely :D
[13:00:48] justinh: they love me here. you can tell that by the machine I was given
[13:00:59] gbee: justinh: heh, since I last played that video something has changed, it's not as smooth and the quality seems to have decreased
[13:01:24] gbee: I wonder if they lowered the bitrate so that older machines could try it :(
[13:01:45] justinh: I was getting about 1fps here
[13:02:02] justinh: about the same as most html5 sites I've seen
[13:04:50] gbee: it's normally buttery smooth here and the quality used to be fantastic, better than most flash content
[13:05:10] justinh: flash *could* be great
[13:05:23] gbee: but as I noted, something has changed, I can now see encoding artefacts and a lack of sharpness :(
[13:05:38] justinh: maybe it got popular & they bumped the bitrate down
[13:07:27] gbee: the fundamental problem with flash is not really the video, as you say that's more about bitrates etc, it's the software itself, the fact that it took years for them to port to 64bit, it's still crashy etc, Flash just doesn't seem to be very well written for a commercially produced application
[13:07:29] justinh: given enough bandwidth, quality of encoding & a capable player any delivery method is ok by me
[13:08:19] justinh: wonder what mpeg artifacts look like in 3D :D
[13:08:21] gbee: justinh: agreed, if I could get decent quality I don't care whether it's OTA, Cable, internet or beamed directly into my brain
[13:08:56] jams: gbee- which is evident by the fact that any 3rd party player does better with flash then adobe. heck the same can be said for pdf's
[13:09:34] justinh: foxit reader may not be open source but by golly it opens fast
[13:09:53] jams: that is my pdf reader of choice in windows
[13:09:57] justinh: still renders badly sometimes.. but there's always acrobat reader for those times
[13:10:41] gbee: kpdf does a good job in my experience
[13:10:56] justinh: such a shame the beeb had to 'lock down' the iplayer streams
[13:11:06] gbee: or am I thinking of another one ... okular maybe
[13:11:08] justinh: or rather LOCK IN (to Adobe)
[13:11:25] jams: gbee- okular is the new kpdf
[13:11:34] jams: and it is nice
[13:11:36] gbee: justinh: well they offer the download option, does that still use flash?
[13:11:48] justinh: only for their standalone player
[13:11:48] jams: it's my preferred choice of viewers in linux
[13:11:51] gbee: I know it uses their own drm
[13:11:51] jams: =)
[13:12:01] justinh: which is Adobe erm.. thingy
[13:12:09] gbee: agh
[13:12:11] gbee: ok
[13:12:22] justinh: same as tweetdeck uses..
[13:12:27] justinh: Adobe Air
[13:12:52] gbee: yeah I remember now, once tried to install it, didn't work
[13:13:31] justinh: from my research on flash screen tearing it looks like intel video users aren;t the only people who have to suffer it
[13:13:39] justinh: nvidia, ati.. on windows, linux AND MAc
[13:14:32] gbee: the inability of flash to display fullscreen on my machine is bizarre when I can play full hd h.264 just fine in software
[13:14:47] justinh: wish they could give my big idea a try. open it all up so you can use any player you want. then if people upload what they download to share it illegally, smack em off the internet
[13:14:56] wagnerrp: gbee: no, it makes perfect sense when you run your scalers in software
[13:15:09] justinh: gbee: same as running mythfrontend with no Xv ;-)
[13:15:27] wagnerrp: justinh: in that case, you just get a little box of video in the middle of the screen
[13:15:38] wagnerrp: mythtv doesnt do software scaling of video
[13:15:39] gbee: wagnerrp: I know why it doesn't work, but not why Adobe has completely failed to implement it properly
[13:15:43] justinh: where you get a modern 3Ghz CPU being unable to play SDTV fullscreen
[13:16:21] justinh: because it's 'cross platform' – meaning it 'works' on all platforms. working *well* wasn't in the spec
[13:16:41] wagnerrp: gbee: well their claim is that they cant, lacking some sort of common interface across all supported platforms
[13:16:52] wagnerrp: of course i dont know how 'opengl' isnt common enough
[13:17:00] justinh: well yeah it'd add bloat to their code.. oh wait
[13:17:12] wagnerrp: surely just about everyone has a video card powerful enough to do a bit of image scaling
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[13:18:09] justinh: can't Jobs just buy Adobe & make them do it properly? ;-)
[13:19:12] Twiggy: I have a remote that came with my ati USB tv wonder tuner. I looked at the wiki and none of them look like mine. Mine is very thin and square, it takes a watch battery. My question is, do I have to get a reciever that matches that or can I get a generic reciever for my computer? Or would I be better off going a different route?
[13:19:34] gbee: somehow that lack of a common interface hasn't stopped MythTV, or Opera for that matter (with HTML5)
[13:20:10] gbee: and now they are implementing support for vdpau etc, and that's not exactly a common interface
[13:20:43] justinh: Twiggy: sounds like you'd be much better off with a real remote ;)
[13:20:50] wagnerrp: gbee: yeah, figured the years of complaining finally triggered a policy reversal
[13:20:53] gbee: I was pretty shocked to learn that they do everything in RGB ... that's crazy
[13:20:59] Twiggy: okay, so does the remote have to match the reciever then?
[13:21:06] wagnerrp: Twiggy: sometimes
[13:21:36] Twiggy: okay. I know it comes down to prefrence, I assume, but what remote would you reccomend?
[13:21:36] justinh: whether your remote needs to match the IR receiver depends on the codes used & what the receiver is capable of decoding
[13:21:38] wagnerrp: some receivers are hard coded to what they can receive
[13:21:49] wagnerrp: others can be reprogrammed to receive generic codes
[13:22:04] justinh: and for the sake of $20 or so, just buy an MCE remote kit
[13:22:13] wagnerrp: my mceusb units only respond to pre-programmed codes in irw
[13:22:14] gbee: Twiggy: look for an IR5 compliant receiver, e.g. the MCE remote kit
[13:22:20] Twiggy: okay I will look into that
[13:22:21] wagnerrp: but if i run 'mode2', i can pick up generic codes
[13:22:23] Twiggy: thank you
[13:22:24] justinh: nice, non-sucky remote with plenty of buttons
[13:22:24] gbee: IR5? RC6 I mean
[13:22:37] wagnerrp: meaning it can be reprogrammed for whatever you want in the lircd.conf
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[13:22:48] Twiggy: okay
[13:24:53] wagnerrp: i found out something rather disturbing last night
[13:25:14] ** justinh hides **
[13:25:20] wagnerrp: freebsd has a dozen or so different sections of their install
[13:25:39] gbee: ok, wow, I wasn't prepared for that
[13:25:40] wagnerrp: and each of these are split up into 1.4MB files, that are concatenated and untarred once downloaded
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[13:26:03] wagnerrp: theyre still basing their installer on files designed for 3.5" floppy distribution
[13:26:05] justinh: heheh
[13:26:30] gbee: wagnerrp: heh, given the target demographic I'm not really surprised
[13:26:49] wagnerrp: it takes something like 200 floppies to do a modern full freebsd installation
[13:27:50] justinh: ah but those floppies come with a dialup modem driver ;-)
[13:28:20] justinh: for those who like to POTSboot
[13:28:38] wagnerrp: gbee: that just doesnt make sense, since theyre pushing the use of ZFS which doesnt work well on 32-bit systems, or systems under 4GB of memory
[13:29:15] gbee: pushing maybe, not requiring it?
[13:29:18] wagnerrp: that thing just chugs resources
[13:29:36] Twiggy: I'm guessing that the mce remote will still require a IR reciever?
[13:29:50] justinh: Twiggy: you get a receiver (USB) with the remote
[13:29:50] wagnerrp: it will come with one
[13:29:51] Twiggy: ooo I just saw a pic. Do most come with the reciever?
[13:29:53] Twiggy: okay
[13:30:06] gbee: mce remote kit comes with the receiver (usb) and also blaster emitters
[13:30:21] gbee: aka IR transmitters for controlling STBs etc
[13:31:37] Twiggy: I just want to check since its so cheap.. will this work? http://cgi.ebay.com/Remote-Control-Wireless-M . . . t_1597wt_994
[13:33:22] gbee: maybe, but if you want to be sure, plus get a much better remote, go for this one – http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Remote-Control- . . . em35ab7d4fc5
[13:33:59] gbee: that's the official version and the remote is very well designed, ergonomic and features a very nice backlight
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[13:39:48] Twiggy: okay I will get that one
[13:40:22] Twiggy: Thank you very much
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[14:29:46] wagnerrp: ugh... ive got to remove the drives from my server, and put them in my desktop to initialize them
[14:29:57] wagnerrp: because the system wont even boot with GPT drives installed
[14:30:07] wagnerrp: it just hangs at the POST screen
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[15:34:45] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux: applying a method to be compatible with Miro 3.5 would be fine
[15:35:06] iamlindoro: since you have all the per-version access methods compartmentalized, it's no big deal
[15:35:20] iamlindoro: Just send me the patch when/if you want it applied and I'll get it in
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[15:36:36] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Thanks for the info. I just started building the test environment this morning. My comments were made to make sure that you guys did not get hassled when my part was done.
[15:37:34] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: This update will only work with 0.24
[15:38:02] iamlindoro: That's fine, nobody is really doing any work on .23 now anyway
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[15:41:02] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Great, appreciated
[15:43:18] Peitolm: How can i set a userjob to be run for all recordings by default?
[15:58:00] wagnerrp: Peitolm: that is a per-recording rule setting
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[16:12:40] wagnerrp: wow, havent seen that name in a while
[16:15:22] iamlindoro: mkrufky has gone 100% Windows Media Center now ;)
[16:15:32] mkrufky: <insert pukey sounds here>
[16:15:52] mkrufky: i work for a mostly windows company and i STILL managed to never use that software
[16:16:09] mkrufky: ... ok, u wanna know why i disappeared?
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[16:16:13] mkrufky: i had a life... for a few months
[16:16:16] mkrufky: thats over now
[16:16:17] mkrufky: LOL
[16:16:20] mkrufky: so im back
[16:16:37] mkrufky: umm... time to write new drivers
[16:17:26] wagnerrp: seems im just not going to get ZFSboot working on a non-EFI system
[16:18:16] mkrufky: (i say that in jest)
[16:18:52] iamlindoro: Time to make the donuts
[16:19:07] wagnerrp: pastry or vehicular?
[16:19:23] iamlindoro: Heh, it just means "time to get to work"
[16:19:36] iamlindoro: from a very old Dunkin Donuts TV commercial
[16:20:26] wagnerrp: and now to... attempt three
[16:20:58] mkrufky: ;-)
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[16:22:02] dewman: mmmm dunkin....
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[16:25:21] gbee: skd5aner: in case we don't say it enough, you're doing a fantastic job
[16:27:24] gbee: heh, current xkcd is familiar
[16:30:23] iamlindoro: skd5aner: Second what gbee said-- and having a neutral third party handle it is an interesting study in what is major/important ;)
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[16:41:58] wagnerrp: Beirdo: your logbot seems to be broken
[16:42:12] wagnerrp: bah... nevermind
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[16:42:18] wagnerrp: something was caching the page
[16:43:38] wagnerrp: gbee: yeah, thought the same thing when i saw it a couple hours ago
[16:45:22] iamlindoro: Boo, two more whole weeks until I get some more sweet Fallout action
[16:46:34] iamlindoro: And then some new Fable... and new Call of Duty.... truly AAA game season is upon us
[16:48:06] dewman: wonder if this g400 subject is finally dead....
[16:49:26] wagnerrp: if it is, theres another soon to follow
[16:49:48] wagnerrp: this was the same guy who also led the 50-post thread about an xorg.conf for his GF5200
[16:50:04] skd5aner: gbee, iamlindoro: I really appreciate it, thanks you Sirs. I'm happy to document all the hard work you guys are doing to share and show the world what really goes into a MythTV release
[16:50:40] wagnerrp: when your card is so old that the manufacturer has rolled around to using the same numbers again, its time to buy a new one...
[16:50:59] dewman: lol...
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[16:52:40] skd5aner: I've read -commits since about 2004, but by the time a release would come along, there's no way I could remember the primary changes that went in. Figured this would help, even if only for me ;)
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[17:09:50] djbello: Hi everybody. I'm having a problem with mythfilldatabase on Mythbuntu 10.04. It gets scheduled and submitted by mythbackend, but after mythfilldatabase is done it stays active and doesn't exit. Mythbackend will not re-submit mythfilldatabase at the next scheduled time because it is still running.
[17:10:12] djbello: This used to work fine with mythbuntu 9.10 / mythtv 0.22.
[17:10:25] djbello: Anybody have any idea?
[17:11:05] Peitolm: wagnerrp: per-recording? well that breaks that idea then
[17:11:27] ** Peitolm is trying to get all recordings, once completed, moved from one dir to another **
[17:11:39] wagnerrp: Peitolm: what are you trying to do?
[17:12:03] wagnerrp: oh, you can run a system even job on recording completion
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[17:12:13] wagnerrp: it triggers once on every connected machine for every recording
[17:12:30] Peitolm: system event job?
[17:12:35] wagnerrp: so you would have to check which machine you were on to ensure you were on the right one
[17:12:36] ** Peitolm scratches his head **
[17:12:48] Peitolm: I'll look at the manual
[17:12:51] wagnerrp: http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events
[17:12:59] wagnerrp: added in 0.23
[17:13:11] Peitolm: machine specific isn't a problem, this is mv /s1/mythtv-data /mnt/nfs/path/to/big/storage
[17:14:27] Peitolm: well mv /%DIR/%FILE /mnt/nfs/path/to/big/storage
[17:15:05] djbello: Anybody?
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[17:17:40] Peitolm: woo, thanks wagnerrp, that looks like precisely what i need, and even answers some other stuff i'd be wondering about wrt remote myth stuff
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[17:19:34] dewman: djbello, check your log.
[17:20:50] djbello: dewman: did that already. There is no error indication. Mythfilldatabase simply finishes with all its updates, but never exits
[17:21:18] djbello: dewman: mythbackend then logs: mythfilldatabase still running, skipping checks.
[17:21:37] djbello: dewman: And that continues endlessly
[17:22:19] dewman: did you try to run it manually?
[17:23:33] djbello: dewman: Yep. I killed the command(s) (they always show up twice), and then ran just mythfilldatabase as is. It finishes and exits properly to the command shell. But when mythbackend submits it, it never exits
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[17:28:16] djbello: How does mythbackend submit mythfilldatabase? Is it a scheduled cron job? I mean, where is the task when and how to run mythfilldatabase stored? Is it in the database?
[17:28:29] dewman: djbello, did you search gossamer? there might be something in there that might help...
[17:29:56] djbello: dewman: I've seen several posts that mention endless loops with mythfilldatabase, but some have gone unanswered or the original poster had an error message that he/she didn't pay close attention to.
[17:30:18] djbello: dewman: I don't get errors from mythfilldatabase. I just runs as one would expect.
[17:31:13] kormoc: djbello, are you sure it's not just taking that long to run?
[17:31:43] kormoc: mythbackend doesn't cron it, it just waits until it's time and spawns it off then
[17:31:58] djbello: kormoc: It takes VERY long. I have mythbuntu installed on a (fast) flash drive. So go figure ;-) Yet, when I run it by hand it finishes
[17:32:19] kormoc: finishes after how long?
[17:32:36] kormoc: I think that's just going to be the nature of the beast
[17:32:49] kormoc: if you run a database on a flash drive, you're kinda screwed on the performance front
[17:33:26] djbello: kormoc: Last run took about 7 minutes
[17:33:57] wagnerrp: djbello: installed on a USB drive? or a SATA/PCIe SSD?
[17:34:11] wagnerrp: they are vastly different beasts
[17:34:22] djbello: kormoc: I know. But: I hadn't checked this for over a week. And I noticed that I didn't have any more recordings scheduled. VERY alarming
[17:34:45] kormoc: the mythfilldatabase log is part of the backend log, so start looking there
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[17:37:02] djbello: wagnerrp: It's a USB Flash Drive (looking for the model right now)
[17:37:27] wagnerrp: model is irrelevent, its slow
[17:37:39] wagnerrp: considerably slower than a normal hard drive
[17:38:33] wagnerrp: seems i cant partition the root drive when its in use...
[17:38:37] wagnerrp: back to the basement!
[17:38:40] djbello: wagnerrp: Well anyway. I know. Reason: wanted to be able save on electricity. Didn't want the hard drive to spin all the time. So I opted for the slower flash drive but not have to worry about hd not spinning down
[17:39:25] wagnerrp: djbello: just how much do you think a single hard drive consumes?
[17:40:17] djbello: djbello: I don't know. I just didn't want it to spin all the time, which with all the temp activity and database activity would not be happening
[17:40:40] djbello: sorry: wagnerrp of course
[17:40:41] djbello: ;-)
[17:41:06] wagnerrp: youre looking at maybe $5/yr for a mostly idle, and not spun down, hard drive
[17:41:22] wagnerrp: and its probably got twice the useful lifespan of a flash drive
[17:41:26] djbello: wagnerrp: Let's put my questionable reasoning behind for a moment.
[17:41:40] djbello: wagnerrp: It has worked for over three years now in this config
[17:42:02] wagnerrp: i dont think ive ever had a frequently used flash drive that long
[17:42:21] djbello: wagnerrp: I started with mythbuntu 8.10 ( I think) and mythtv 0.21 and kept on upgrading as newer mythbuntus were available
[17:42:27] wagnerrp: anyway, to the basement!
[17:42:49] djbello: wagnerrp: And I never had issues with mythfilldatabase until now
[17:44:15] djbello: wagnerrp: So. mythbackend spawns it. And it runs. I know because second time around this happened, I simply killed the process of mythfilldatabase, and after about a minute it got submitted and ran while I checked (tail'ed) the mythbackend.log
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[17:45:19] val-l: hi hi there — just got the avermedia hd capture devices today, and both the pcie and usb devices support mpeg-2 and h.264 hardware compression
[17:45:27] val-l: (according to the boxes)
[17:46:36] val-l: that was mainly for wagnerrp btw, we'd talked about these a couple of nights ago
[17:48:29] djbello: wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/A1KXbuKc
[17:48:46] djbello: wagnerrp: That's my log.... Mind looking at it?
[17:53:20] sphery: djbello: restart your entire mythtv system (all frontends and backends)
[17:54:40] djbello: sphery: Can't do that right now. PC has an external HD hooked up via USB downloading some large file. PC won't boot with that driver plugged in. I have to wait until that download is done...
[17:55:18] djbello: describe mythlog
[17:55:29] djbello: (oops) wrong screen
[17:55:32] sphery: if it keeps happening, you may want to consider updating to current 0.23-fixes ( i.e. for *buntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds )
[17:56:08] djbello: sphery: I know, there are updates waiting to be installed. It's gotta wait
[17:56:15] sphery: djbello: oh, and by restart, I mean reboot (which you seem to have understood, but I'm just saying it specifically, now :)
[17:56:42] djbello: sphery: Yep. That's how I read it :-)
[17:57:27] Peitolm: wagnerrp: hmm, seems either my system event didn't trigger, or it failed, do you know where it would be logged to? (which facility in the mythbackend log do i need to enable)
[17:58:07] wagnerrp: Peitolm: you may have to restart the backend before it will take effect
[17:58:28] wagnerrp: technically, the backend doesnt run it
[17:58:43] wagnerrp: one program, running on that machine, and connected to the master backend, will run it
[17:58:53] wagnerrp: which program that is, is completely arbitrary
[17:59:04] djbello: Well, I guess I'm stuck with waiting what happens after I reboot the machine... I'd just like to know why the spawned-off mythfilldatabase wouldn't exit vs. the one submitted from command line.
[17:59:10] Peitolm: I had the backend stopped when i ran setup
[17:59:20] wagnerrp: so if you have an SBE and FE on the same machine, you dont know which will run it
[17:59:30] wagnerrp: and aside from logging to different files, it doesnt make any difference anyway
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[18:03:24] Peitolm: o.k. looks like it it hadn't saved for some reason
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[18:06:44] ** RogerM puts down his translating quill for a time.. **
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[18:07:56] sphery: RogerM: which language are you working on?
[18:08:03] iamlindoro: svenska
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[18:08:06] sphery: ah, cool
[18:08:17] iamlindoro: or maybe the language itself is masculine?
[18:08:23] iamlindoro: svensk. Yeah ,that sounds better.
[18:08:29] sphery: RogerM: thanks--even though /I/ won't get to enjoy your work directly
[18:08:38] iamlindoro: I'll go with it, and refuse to acknowledge any correction
[18:08:38] justinh: bah. tried my 12dB attenuator – still seeing PID discontinuity errors in the backend log
[18:09:34] justinh: maybe I've got a duff tuner
[18:10:32] RogerM: iamlindoro: Yup.. Doing the "Svenska" language. :) Swedish can sometimes be shorter than english but most of the time it's quite verbose. Can make one crazy if one doesn't stop now and then. :)
[18:12:28] skd5aner: I've been *extremely* impressed with how much translations efforts have happened for 0.24
[18:12:29] wagnerrp: RogerM: and it sounds like gibberish
[18:13:12] ** wagnerrp knows first hand, he works with a pair of Swedes **
[18:13:12] ** skd5aner has the mental image of the Swedish Chef stuck in his head now **
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[18:14:21] skd5aner: also, my sentence above was basically gibberish... trying again... I've been extremely impressed with the amount of effort that has gone into translations for 0.24
[18:14:23] skd5aner: that's better
[18:14:30] dewman: bork bork bork
[18:15:12] skd5aner: I wish I was bilingual so I could do some translations
[18:15:22] skd5aner: heh – maybe my wife could do a latin translation ;)
[18:15:48] skd5aner: I'm betting that would be next to impossible, given that 80% of the words probably didn't exist in latin
[18:15:56] wagnerrp: classical? or roman catholic?
[18:16:03] skd5aner: classical
[18:17:16] skd5aner: I could do a fake language maybe... like "English (Pirate)"
[18:17:24] skd5aner: like facebook did
[18:18:02] RogerM: Arr.. :) Suddenly "Cut list" got a whole different meaning..
[18:18:14] skd5aner: :)
[18:19:59] skd5aner: and although there's a reduction for settings, there could be an easter egg setting so that it automatically switches the frontend language to English (Pirate) on the annual "Talk like a Pirate day"
[18:20:00] skd5aner: ;)
[18:20:31] Peitolm: sounds like a nice plan
[18:20:45] sphery: skd5aner: did you ever see the Australian translation for MythWeb?
[18:20:53] skd5aner: nope
[18:21:25] sphery: skd5aner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/130691#130691
[18:21:25] skd5aner: the more I talk about this though, the more I'm considering doing it just for fu
[18:21:34] skd5aner: n
[18:21:40] skd5aner: not for "fu"
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[18:22:30] sphery: plus http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND
[18:23:06] skd5aner: heh – nice
[18:23:38] ** skd5aner downloads linguist ;) **
[18:24:14] skd5aner: er, uh... after this pile of work gets of my desk first
[18:25:34] ** RogerM is just glad someone else did the big work and made a initial translation.. **
[18:25:45] RogerM: an
[18:29:49] skd5aner: I wonder if many non-English speaking folks have wanted to give mythtv a try but didn't because there wasn't a translation for thier language
[18:30:06] skd5aner: and I wonder if there's any concentration of users with non-translated languages yet
[18:30:47] Beirdo: argh
[18:31:01] justinh: anybody happen to know off the top of their head what PID 0x69 & 0xcd are for?
[18:31:02] Beirdo: just how long must failed jobqueue jobs be listed?
[18:32:46] justinh: eew. PDC is one
[18:33:28] justinh: gbee: you ever see this PID discontinuity stuff in your logs?
[18:33:33] justinh: or indeed any other UK peeps?
[18:36:51] justinh: weird though.. not seeing any PID discontinuity stuff about adapter2 – only 0 & 1
[18:39:52] gbee: don't think so
[18:40:04] gbee: tends to be signal quality related
[18:40:26] gbee: dropped packets AFAIK
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[18:47:21] RogerM: for anyone needing something else to look at for a few moments: http://www.gerv.net/writings/poetic-licence/bsd.html
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[18:51:41] gbee: RogerM: very good
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[18:53:22] RogerM: well.. Think I should spend a few minutes disabling my brain by hacking myself through "The Witcher" before I stop for the night..
[18:54:54] RogerM: cya
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[18:57:52] wagnerrp: huh... seems DDR3 has fallen well below DDR2 prices
[18:58:43] Shadow__X: ddr2 used to be dirt cheap but then it rose pretty high
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[19:20:28] justinh: heh I met Gerv once. his opening gambit was "why does mythtv always crash?"
[19:20:47] gbee: oh, was that him?
[19:21:20] justinh: no he wasn't the "why does mythtv suck" guy
[19:21:32] justinh: important distinction ;-)
[19:21:52] justinh: but still hardly the kind of question you can answer standing at an expo
[19:22:52] justinh: btw I'm not sure my signal is to blame re the PID errors. recordings are absolutely fine the vast majority of the time. femon numbers look great too. starting to suspect hardware and/or drivers
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[19:23:41] justinh: I whacked a 12dB attenuator on & the femon numbers didn't change much at all. might try a different amp. the problem is finding a window in the recording schedule
[19:24:58] wagnerrp: gerv?
[19:25:27] justinh: of gerv.net
[19:25:38] justinh: gervais markham IIRC. worked for google last I heard
[19:25:54] gbee: justinh: he was at LRL in 2007, recall meeting him now and iirc that's when he asked that question and others like it
[19:26:58] justinh: ahh I thought it was at the one in 2006
[19:27:02] gbee: can't remember exactly whether he was the guy to whom I responded about filing bug reports
[19:27:23] justinh: he came over when we were busy trying to get set up, I remembered that much
[19:27:29] gbee: justinh: he may have been at 2006 as well, I just know that he was at 2007
[19:27:34] justinh: still.. put yourself on a public platform...
[19:28:08] justinh: wonder what the dvb-t tuner market is like these days
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[19:28:18] cert_: hi
[19:28:20] gbee: I remember his cherubic face from the photo on his site, still looks 14
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[19:28:24] justinh: incase my 1st 2 really are biting the dust
[19:28:26] cert_: is there a alsa plugin for dolby pro logic decoding?
[19:28:31] gbee: and his blog confirms that he was there
[19:28:41] AndyCap: my mythtv crashes because the broadcaster does weird stuff with switching resolutions and possibly codecs. :P
[19:29:51] gbee: justinh: I just recently picked up another Nova-T 500 on ebay because my old Leadtek was failing
[19:30:01] gbee: and running way too hot
[19:30:05] justinh: part of me also suspects this PID discontinuity thing might have something to do with the new freeview+ stuff.. I very much hope that isn't the case. I need someody else using WinterHill to compare with
[19:30:17] justinh: I had a feel round the back of the case just now.. seemed cool
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[19:31:41] justinh: gbee: dtv1000?
[19:31:58] gbee: yeah
[19:32:14] justinh: ow. mine are virtually the same as that but without the vid inputs
[19:32:22] justinh: same chips etc
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[19:32:55] justinh: I have a silicon tuner based saa7134 card in the attic. might give that a bash. it's a dual tuner model too :)
[19:32:59] gbee: justinh: well mine isn't exactly the dtv1000, it's a second hand OEM thing that iirc was shipped with gateway PCs or similar
[19:33:10] gbee: there was a rash of them on ebay a few years ago
[19:33:12] justinh: blimey, same as mine then. lr6650
[19:33:20] gbee: aye, that's the one
[19:33:30] wagnerrp: the best part about hotswap caddies is they let you use SATA drives after youve cracked off the little plastic connector around the pins
[19:33:36] justinh: still, they've lasted well, 5 years of 24/7 in a not exactly hospitable case
[19:34:28] justinh: ow. £38 for a single tuner nova-t on ebuyer.com :-(
[19:37:13] justinh: bugger. that saa tuner in the attic is still just a single one. it was the usb one wot has 2 tuners
[19:37:27] justinh: still.. dead easy to add that
[19:37:29] gbee: yeah, they are still pricey new, I paid between £30–40 for the dual tuner Nova-T 500 on ebay iirc
[19:38:04] justinh: nova-t500 is only £12 more new
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[19:40:12] gbee: well it wasn't a couple of months ago
[19:40:23] justinh: maybe not £12.. think it's £58 new
[19:40:48] gbee: let me check what I paid, since my memory isn't that great
[19:40:56] wagnerrp: and here we consider $110–130 for a dual tuner a good deal
[19:41:14] justinh: I take it the t500 is silicon tuners then.. I like them. nice & cool
[19:41:22] justinh: analogue electronics suck power
[19:42:07] justinh: doesn't help that the cx88 video decoder can't have its a/d stuff disabled.. all it's used for is a PCI interface for the dvb chipset
[19:42:48] justinh: next chance I get I'll swap the aerial cables over. if the PID errors move, time to sort the signal out
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[19:43:50] justinh: btw is there an easy way to find out what channel/mux a card is on currently?
[19:44:24] gbee: £25.60 + £2 postage (or something)
[19:44:57] justinh: cool
[19:45:14] justinh: I'll have a look tomorrow & watch any I find
[19:45:39] gbee: I bought it at £4.50 postage, but when he took it to the post office they screwed up and used a lower rate, so he kindly refunded the difference
[19:46:00] justinh: wow. not very often you get that kind of honesty
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[19:47:13] gbee: yup, I was very impressed, especially since I wouldn't have noticed what postage was used
[19:47:37] gbee: "Hi. The guy in the post office was having problems with special delivery so I've sent this first class. This refund is the difference in postage costs. Nick " which amounted to £2.28
[19:48:20] gbee: gave the guy a stellar rating/review for it
[19:48:50] justinh: I bet
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[19:51:07] gbee: it even came with the remote, just don't have any need for that
[19:51:36] gbee: well ... it later proved useful for testing native input stuff, before that project crashed and burned
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[19:53:59] justinh: heheh
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[20:05:19] awalls: justinh: it could also be the case that PID errors are originating at the broadcaster before transmission.
[20:05:50] justinh: yeah I mentioned that earlier
[20:05:51] awalls: They're not immune from buying crappy encoding software
[20:05:56] awalls: OK, I missed it.
[20:06:10] awalls: Is it only one broadcaster?
[20:06:14] justinh: hard to say
[20:06:39] justinh: I think it's not the BBC mux though
[20:07:10] justinh: failed recordings last night were ITV1 & Five.. think they're both on the same mux
[20:07:37] awalls: What sort of attenuators did you make BTW? I usually lash up a bridged T attenuator from resistors I have lying around (when I need one)
[20:08:16] justinh: the same
[20:08:31] justinh: went to a fair bit of trouble too.. fully screened, the works
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[20:08:52] awalls: Cool. Better than the crap I usuually string together
[20:09:58] justinh: used BNC sockets, put the resistor network in between.. heatshrunk the resistors & then rolled the bnc sockets into wafer thin sheet metal which I then soldered to the ground of the BNCs
[20:10:25] justinh: they look almost like the real thing
[20:10:37] awalls: Lemme know when you've got your eBay storefront set up. ;)
[20:11:35] justinh: next time I'll just buy some.. my time & burnt fingers aren't worth it
[20:12:28] justinh: I'll try all combinations I can think of before pointing at the mux operator
[20:13:25] justinh: if I could find a way of tuning all cards to the same mux it'd help eliminate stuff
[20:14:19] awalls: I wrote a piece of junk C-program...lemme find it...
[20:14:47] justinh: without stopping mythbackend I meant ;)
[20:14:54] justinh: I can just use tzap otherwise
[20:15:32] justinh: then again tzap won't show me PID errors like I see in the log
[20:16:28] gbee: justinh: limit each card to a single virtual tuner and then record 3 channels on the same mux
[20:21:04] justinh: yeh figures. don't wanna mess with a mostly working setup either. but needs must I spose
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[20:23:07] justinh: aye confirmed last night's failed recordings were on the same mux
[20:24:49] justinh: ITV.. whose mux is operated by.. erm.. some cowboy probably
[20:25:55] iamlindoro: yeeee haw pew pew
[20:27:45] gbee: justinh: if it's only happened once it could even be that they reduced power on that mux to perform maintenance, although since your in post switch-over Grenada that seems less likely
[20:28:05] justinh: yeah I checked that too
[20:28:23] justinh: other stuff on the same mux recorded fine in the same 90 min period
[20:28:40] gbee: different card though?
[20:29:08] justinh: maybe
[20:29:56] justinh: and now, the last of S3 of Chuck :)
[20:30:37] gbee: I'm saving that, because I doubt there will be anything else worth watching in the coming weeks
[20:30:54] iamlindoro: Hope you all aren't counting on anything decent coming from the US from this season
[20:31:01] iamlindoro: since to the last show everything new sucks
[20:31:22] gbee: I'm watching V atm
[20:31:28] gbee: that's the 1980s version ;)
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[20:31:47] gbee: the new one is about to air, but ...
[20:31:58] iamlindoro: New one is pretty good-- starts a little slow, but it has potential
[20:32:02] wagnerrp: im still only half way through the new one... just didnt catch my interest
[20:32:57] sphery: I like the new one.
[20:33:09] sphery: Am looking forward to their re-return.
[20:33:29] gbee: Spooks has failed to improve on the dire last series, still stuck with improbable storylines, uninteresting characters and tenuous plot twists
[20:33:57] gbee: only high point is that killed of a character I really, intensely disliked
[20:34:59] gbee: haven't noticed any great new series in the UK, although that's the downside of not watching adverts, I've probably missed something that was actually worth watching
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[20:37:38] iamlindoro: We're supposed to get your updated "Sherlock" late this month/earth next month I beleive
[20:37:41] iamlindoro: I heard that was good
[20:37:52] iamlindoro: er early
[20:38:49] sphery: earth month... I remember when it was just a day.
[20:38:55] gbee: didn't think it was bad, but I hadn't really made up my mind before it ended, it was only a 3 episode trial run
[20:38:57] Beirdo: iamlindoro: sucks is in the eye of the beholder ;)
[20:39:24] Beirdo: I rather like *BLEEP* My Dad Says
[20:39:27] iamlindoro: Not when I'm the only one with a valid opinion it's not
[20:39:31] iamlindoro: That show is doomed
[20:39:43] iamlindoro: Horrible ratings
[20:39:45] Beirdo: Yeah, because CBS sucks
[20:39:58] iamlindoro: sucking their way to #1
[20:40:00] Beirdo: ratings are like polls... they are garbage
[20:40:03] iamlindoro: since they're the top network
[20:40:10] Beirdo: that's just scary
[20:40:31] Beirdo: they all suck though
[20:41:07] Beirdo: No Ordinary Family was a meh for me
[20:41:29] Beirdo: Lone Star seemed to have potential, but was victim #1 of the new season
[20:41:48] Beirdo: but Fox is known for turfing shows that people watch... Like Greg The Bunny
[20:42:14] wagnerrp: no ordinary family looked like live action Incredibles... but it just wasnt fun
[20:42:22] Beirdo: yeah
[20:42:25] Beirdo: pretty much
[20:42:36] Beirdo: I'll watch it until it's cancelled
[20:42:45] Beirdo: if I have nothing better to watch
[20:42:46] Beirdo: heh
[20:43:07] Beirdo: of course, it will get cancelled, as it is up against NCIS for a timeslot
[20:43:27] wagnerrp: speaking of which, ive got... 3 hours to get my system back up and running
[20:43:36] Beirdo: hehe
[20:43:43] Beirdo: curse you, prime time!
[20:43:58] wagnerrp: it died right at 10pm last night... so i lost castle
[20:44:12] Beirdo: gah
[20:44:14] Beirdo: that sucks
[20:44:15] blizzard`: question:
[20:44:23] wagnerrp: :answer
[20:44:28] blizzard`: goot!
[20:44:30] blizzard`: good!
[20:44:40] wagnerrp: we aim to please
[20:44:44] Beirdo: Running Wilde... may be OK
[20:44:45] blizzard`: as long as I get $? = 0
[20:44:55] Beirdo: Detroit 1-8–7... that one I like
[20:45:10] iamlindoro: No Ordinary Family had better ratings than Modern Family (a huge hit) this last week-- it's probably safe if it keeps pulling those numbers
[20:45:17] iamlindoro: Detroit 1-8–7 is also circling the drain
[20:45:38] Beirdo: heh
[20:45:42] wagnerrp: modern family lost me as soon as their did their ipad add
[20:45:54] Beirdo: but of course... nothing better to watch at 10pm... so let's cancel
[20:46:42] blizzard`: Again =), Question: I've been fiddling some with the filesystem, rsyncing between volumes to get rid of a bad disk. Now I get alot of "should be local, but it can not be found." and "File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed." in the logs. I dont care that they are gone, but is there any easy way of telling mythtv to scrap out those records from the database?
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[20:47:19] wagnerrp: blizzard`: there was formerly a script to do that, but it has been depreciated
[20:47:27] iamlindoro: and deprecated
[20:47:49] wagnerrp: of course the replacement has not yet been written... but thats besides the point
[20:48:09] blizzard`: but you always tell me not to fiddle directly with my database =)
[20:48:24] iamlindoro: You don't need to mess with your DB
[20:48:39] iamlindoro: add all the problematic items to a playlist, use the "delete playlist" function
[20:48:41] blizzard`: since you will do it for me? =)
[20:49:05] blizzard`: I guess it's more or less only live tv stuff
[20:50:22] sphery: definitely easy to find all Live TV... just change the filter
[20:50:29] Beirdo: ugh!
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[20:50:50] Beirdo: the listings in my mythweb won't update to a new time block.
[20:50:59] ** Beirdo gives his browser a dirty look **
[20:51:11] sphery: blizzard`: then for the rest of the bad recordings, just load up MythWeb's Recorded Programs page, and look for the recordings with 0 filesize (or "B") and/or without preview images.
[20:51:13] blizzard`: default expire of live tv is 24 hours right?
[20:51:24] sphery: yes, but it will never expire if the recording file is gone
[20:51:31] sphery: so you need to explicitly delete them
[20:51:34] blizzard`: precisly
[20:51:50] blizzard`: so, records kept more than 24 hours are those "missing ones"
[20:52:33] sphery: Just go into mythfrontend, Watch Recordings, change Group Filter to show LiveTV, then on each recording, DELETE, then agree to the prompt
[20:52:43] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F
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[20:54:48] Beirdo: kormoc: that IE change... might it have borked JS for other browsers?
[20:55:08] sphery: Beirdo: there are other browsers?
[20:55:13] kormoc: Beirdo, shouldn't
[20:55:14] sphery: I thought everyone used IE...  ;)
[20:55:17] Beirdo: heh
[20:55:38] Beirdo: I'm getting "Uncaught TypeError: cannot set property 'innerHTML' of null
[20:55:45] kormoc: works for me in chrome, firefox, and IE
[20:55:48] Beirdo: at /mythweb/js/utils.js:164
[20:55:51] Beirdo: in chrome
[20:56:10] kormoc: I didn't touch that file
[20:56:11] kormoc: what page?
[20:56:19] Beirdo: in the listings page, trying to page right to the next set of times
[20:56:22] Beirdo: hmmm
[20:56:35] ** Beirdo gives chrome the evil eye AGAIN **
[20:56:48] Beirdo: let me try dumping cache, maybe it got itself bent
[20:56:59] kormoc: yeah, it's working for me
[20:57:03] sphery: hmmm, I'm getting an error there in Firefox, too
[20:57:22] wagnerrp: im getting... nothing? oh wait, my server is broken
[20:57:38] sphery: potentianow it's working
[20:57:43] sphery: er, now it's working
[20:57:57] sphery: but I still get "potentially vulnerable to CVE-2009–3555"
[20:58:26] sphery: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security:Renegotiation + http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2009-3555
[20:58:50] sphery: ah, but that's not a mythweb thing
[21:00:37] Beirdo: clearing the chrome cache fixed it
[21:00:40] Beirdo: sigh
[21:01:02] sphery: yeah, I think mine was failing to work because of cache, originally
[21:01:12] sphery: when it finally reloaded, it started working
[21:01:22] gbee: I wonder how long it will be until someone starts vetting mythtv for security related issues, it will happen eventually
[21:01:29] Beirdo: kormoc: never mind, sorry :)
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[21:02:29] Beirdo: gbee: we would give them an aneurysm, I'm sure (however the heck it's spelled)
[21:03:06] wagnerrp: gbee: mythtv has security?
[21:03:07] Beirdo: oh joy. a "training" meeting
[21:03:36] wagnerrp: we really need to close the places where we gladly allow people in
[21:03:44] wagnerrp: before worrying about the places where people may break in
[21:04:37] sphery: gbee: heh, good question (though this one is my not-upgraded apache/openssl)
[21:05:13] blizzard`: why do I get the following in the logs all the time:
[21:05:14] blizzard`: 2010-10–05 23:06:26.320 ProgramInfo(1403_20101005230619.mpg), Error: Unknown type, recording width was 720
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[21:06:19] wagnerrp: i would love to see some sort of real authentication go in once the database goes internal
[21:06:45] gbee: wagnerrp: generally speaking we don't :) Anyone looking for issues affecting mythtv data would find dozens of problems, however there are certainly issues which affect a system more generally, e.g. the ability to compromise files unrelated to mythtv or gain access/privileges on the system that people might not expect (how many users run mythtv under their user account rather than a locked down 'mythtv' account?)
[21:07:15] wagnerrp: perhaps have something like bluetooth where you have the backend 'open up', and then you have 60 seconds to connect to it and pull your authentication token
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[21:07:49] wagnerrp: or maybe new clients get put on an 'awaiting authorization' list, which you have to confirm using the web interface
[21:08:28] gbee: I'm not sure we're really concerned about user's recordings/settings so much as the way a mythtv install can compromise the security of a machine more generally if the user doesn't follow our advice and runs it on a public network
[21:09:15] wagnerrp: i wouldnt even trust mysql on a public network
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[21:11:28] gbee: give me the url to mythweb and I can own that backend, not simply delete your recordings etc, surprisingly that doesn't get talked about very much
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[21:12:33] justinh: gbee: awesome ending to the series but BAD NEWS
[21:12:51] justinh: gbee: chuck S4 starts in a couple of weeks. ON LIVING. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[21:13:21] gbee: I told you that Sky would do that
[21:13:34] justinh: I knew it too
[21:13:43] gbee: it was written in stone the moment they bought the virgin channels
[21:14:22] gbee: so we can _maybe_ expect S4 to air FTA in 2–3 years time
[21:14:42] justinh: they put V on scifi.. so it might only be 6 months
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[21:15:03] justinh: time diff between scifi & 'channel one' airings is about 6 months or so
[21:15:14] justinh: but hey let's not hold our breath
[21:15:30] justinh: I think I'll just wait for the box set
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[21:16:11] Peitolm: justinh: according to my mythdb, chuck (ew series) on living starts thursday 14th
[21:17:55] gbee: yup, Sky poaches another series
[21:17:55] justinh: I saw that it was coming to Living, then mostly saw red
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[21:18:23] Peitolm: gbee: not a poach, they bought the whole channel lineup from virgin iric
[21:18:39] wagnerrp: mail server is back up... now to wait for the daily mass of emails to start trickling in from my backup MX
[21:18:44] gbee: Peitolm: and promptly move Chuck from a FTA channel to a pay one
[21:19:04] gbee: which is exactly what they've done with several series for the last 5 years
[21:19:07] ** Peitolm thought living was ftv **
[21:19:19] gbee: nah, subscription only
[21:19:25] Peitolm: ah
[21:19:29] justinh: FTV != free to air
[21:19:42] Peitolm: justinh: i know, i specifically chost ftv, not fta
[21:19:47] Peitolm: chose even
[21:19:53] Peitolm: yeah, i know another TLA
[21:19:54] justinh: FTV is no use to us anyway
[21:20:08] wagnerrp: well theres always analog capture
[21:20:19] ** Peitolm has a pvt-350 hanging off an old sky box **
[21:20:31] Peitolm: if i want some ftv stuff, i can use that
[21:20:43] justinh: analogue capture sucks :)
[21:20:50] gbee: they let FTA channels buy popular series, let them show the first or second series, then step in to grab the rights, want to see the end of Lost? You need Sky. Prison Break? Sky. Chuck? Sky. House? Sky
[21:21:04] justinh: 24? Sky
[21:21:25] ** Peitolm lets the wife by the DVDs and watches them a couple of years later **
[21:21:34] gbee: yup, forgot 24, probably others I'm forgetting too
[21:21:51] Peitolm: anyhow, time to go to beforshire
[21:21:52] justinh: plenty box sets you can buy for the same money as one year's subs
[21:22:03] justinh: even full price ones
[21:22:24] gbee: one months subs you mean?
[21:23:30] gbee: Sky starts at ~£20 a month for the basic package iirc, I've seen a number of boxsets hitting that price these days, especially in the sales
[21:23:52] gbee: I bought the Band of Brothers Bluray boxset for £15 (bargin)
[21:24:12] gbee: presentation tin and everything
[21:25:13] Peitolm: ditto
[21:25:28] Peitolm: I bought a load of blu-rays from borders when they shut down *sniff*
[21:26:06] sphery: I think he meant plenty as "enough to get you through a year's watching of series you like"
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[21:26:25] gbee: I'm waiting for the Pacific boxset to hit the same price point, or at least something reasonable, Sky won't be getting a penny from me
[21:26:40] sphery: buy a bunch of boxsets and still be under the cost of a year's sub
[21:27:42] gbee: sphery: well yeah, you can probably easily get the box set for everything that's worth watching on Sky for less than you'd pay in subscription and there'd be no adverts etc
[21:28:07] sphery: yeah
[21:28:12] gbee: Bluray boxsets almost certainly cheaper, since you pay a premium for HD with Sky
[21:28:15] sphery: very similar to cable over here :)
[21:28:41] gbee: plus you can sell the boxsets once you're finished
[21:29:04] iamlindoro: Or if you're one of our users list folks, when you've finished ripping them
[21:29:16] gbee: iamlindoro: !
[21:29:47] iamlindoro: gbee: I'm referencing the mailing list post last week claiming Netflix was the best option ebcause you could just turn it into an endless ripping treadmill
[21:29:51] sphery: iamlindoro: why would some of our users' list folks need the discs to rip them?
[21:30:01] iamlindoro: heh
[21:30:27] sphery: seems plenty in here rip them without ever even coming across the disc
[21:30:46] sphery: and, yeha, that Netflix time-shifting thing was very annoying
[21:30:50] iamlindoro: And then of course the traditional rush to assure others that it isn't necessarily illegal and that in some countries, it is a legal, time honored tradition on par with community service and respect for ones elders
[21:31:03] sphery: heh, yeah
[21:31:30] ** awalls wonders if I can rig an IR blaster to run drive Netflix on the Wii **
[21:31:36] awalls: Arrr!
[21:31:50] awalls: !parrot awalls
[21:31:50] ** MythLogBot dislodges the parrot from the shoulder of awalls on behalf of awalls... **
[21:31:53] sphery: In truth--though my plan was to drop cable/satellite and buy discs for the shows I miss from cable--I record so much from OTA network TV, I barely have time to watch the DVD's I'm accumulating.
[21:32:07] gbee: iamlindoro: well inevitable I guess, I'm pretty tired of being the moral and honest guy when it seems that no-one else gives a shit
[21:32:26] iamlindoro: gbee: I think I've thrown myself in front of that bus once or twice ;)
[21:32:27] sphery: meaning, I could be just as happy (or maybe happier--without the chore of catching up with all those DVDs to watch) with just OTA content
[21:32:33] gbee: hmm, parrot's a new one
[21:33:38] sphery: who's setting a flag to tell us to exit during edit mode? this is annoying
[21:33:40] gbee: sphery: I still get cable, but I don't record from it and hardly ever watch anything on it _because_ I'm not setup to record, it's 'free' with my broadband package
[21:33:42] sphery: can't find it
[21:33:52] blizzard`: question: I think I miss channels. I guess Im missing the transports so I thought I'd just search em up on lyngsat.com and enter them in a manual Full Scan (Tuned) search.... now how do I read the lyngsat data so I can enter it in my search?
[21:34:09] gbee: I've no intention of ever paying for Sky again, I just dislike the company too much
[21:34:35] blizzard`: Frequency in lyngsat is something like: "Freq. Tp" "12130 H tp 22"
[21:34:50] blizzard`: I guess that's 12130000, Horizontal... and TP I have no idea
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[21:35:25] sphery: gbee: Ah, yeah... Fortunately, I happen to live in an area where I can get Earthlink high-speed cable internet service over my local cable provider's lines. Therefore, I get the service for the same price as people who have cable TV service, but without having to get the cable TV service. I think this is the /only/ good thing to come out of the AOL/Time Warner merger.
[21:36:07] sphery: and the funniest part is that the cable company does all the billing, service, equipment repair
[21:37:24] sphery: so, except for my ISP-provided e-mail inbox, ISP-recommended name servers, and DHCP hostname, it's identical to what I'd have if I got service directly through the cable co (and either paid the extra $10/mo or got a $30 or more TV service package in addition)
[21:37:48] sphery: and I'm not even using the e-mail inbox or name servers, so only difference to me is the DHCP hostname :)
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[21:48:59] James4321: so is boxee or hulu?
[21:49:13] James4321: so sezmi iptv or google tv?
[21:49:51] ** iamlindoro patiently waits for James4321 to form a coherent sentence **
[21:49:57] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro
[21:50:03] iamlindoro: I'll wait up here
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[21:54:12] James4321: hi lindoro
[21:54:16] James4321: whats up man
[21:54:28] James4321: u heard of the new technologies being made
[21:54:40] James4321: sezmi tv and google tv along with apple tv?
[21:55:25] iamlindoro: James4321: I'm not sure whether you are trying to be funny, but we're all very well aware of all of those products
[21:55:30] James4321: myth tv
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[21:56:08] James4321: which is ur favorite?
[21:56:13] James4321: honesly
[21:56:37] iamlindoro: Given those are all different product for different purposes, I have no favorite
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[22:00:38] James4321: tell me what u think google tv is gona bring
[22:00:56] EvilBob: I am looking for a lirc howto for Hauppauge PVR-150 remotes, I'm running Fedora. All the docs I find are antiques.
[22:00:57] James4321: im more happy some other company makes an awesome box like boxee
[22:01:35] James4321: ohh i feel bad cause i too have a hauppauge
[22:01:58] EvilBob: Any suggestions in the way of links would be appreciated
[22:02:06] James4321: it worked best under mythtv
[22:03:29] James4321: honestly
[22:03:44] James4321: no but google is ur best friend
[22:04:01] James4321: any specific app wont recognize ur hauppauge?
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[22:05:29] EvilBob: it starts with y and ends with e it's spelled you're
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[22:05:49] EvilBob: irw shows no input
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[22:11:25] awalls: EvilBob: You just trying to do receive?
[22:11:54] EvilBob: awalls: Yeah, no need for the "blaster" bit
[22:12:24] awalls: Ok, so a while back the I2C subsystem inside the kernel changed
[22:12:52] awalls: lirc_i2c used to hook into the kernel's I@C system, but got left behind in the change
[22:13:09] EvilBob: awalls: Right, this I know, however was unable to find a related solution
[22:13:23] awalls: j-rod did update the LIRC packages for Fedora
[22:13:44] EvilBob: I was not sure the i2c change was related for sure
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[22:14:22] awalls: YOu can use the in kernel ir-i2c-kbd.ko kernel module for a quick fix – not LIRC but shows up as an input device
[22:14:42] awalls: What Fedora kernel do you have?
[22:15:04] EvilBob: Yeah I am running the current fedora package, not from a third party, other than the myth bits that j-rod packages in rpmfusion
[22:15:22] EvilBob: 2.6.34.7–56.fc13.i686.PAE
[22:16:24] awalls: I'd have to research what FEdora is packaging in the way of LIRC, but your kernel should definitely have the I@C changes that broke older versions of LIRC.
[22:16:34] awalls: /I2C/
[22:17:12] awalls: When you load lirc_dev and lirc_i2c does everything look happy in dmesg?
[22:17:27] EvilBob: Let me verify that
[22:17:32] awalls: or /var/log/messages?
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[22:18:41] EvilBob: modprobe lirc_dev shows "Oct 5 17:17:57 mpc03 kernel: lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 250 " in the log
[22:19:03] EvilBob: modprobe lirc_i2c returns nothing in the log
[22:20:07] EvilBob: I can not find "IR Remote Control driver registered, major 250" via google at all
[22:20:25] EvilBob: it does not seem to be the expected response
[22:20:59] EvilBob: I am finding it when I put it in quotes
[22:21:08] awalls: lirc_i2c has a debug module parameter. Try reloading with it set to 7 or something
[22:21:50] awalls: lirc_dev's message seems fine to me. But I don't have a PVR-150 in this machine to test things out.
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[22:22:36] EvilBob: Yeah it does look OK, my search was the problem
[22:23:03] awalls: lirc_i2c's silence is what I would take as a bad sign
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[22:25:56] awalls: Ah, I think I see the problem.
[22:26:12] awalls: http://git.wilsonet.com/linux-2.6-ir-wip.git/ . . . hb=HEAD#l359
[22:26:49] EvilBob: I see something I think might be wrong here, when I start "irw" I see an entry in messages "could not get file information for /dev/lirc0" I think this should be /dev/input/event0
[22:27:53] EvilBob: OK what do you see there? It means nothing to me.
[22:28:14] awalls: http://git.wilsonet.com/linux-2.6-ir-wip.git/ . . . hb=HEAD#l169
[22:28:39] awalls: "ir_video" is the I2C name that lirc_i2c is binding to.
[22:29:12] awalls: For an ivtv hosted Z8F0811 IR chip, ivtv uses the name "ir_rx_z8f0811_haup"
[22:29:32] awalls: which the lirc_zilog module will know about.
[22:30:02] EvilBob: OK, I have seen a reference to that "lirc_zilog" before
[22:30:35] awalls: Do you have one packaged with your FEdora distro (j-rod will have done it hopefully)
[22:30:42] awalls: ?
[22:30:53] awalls: modinfo lirc_zilog
[22:31:09] Beirdo: pretty sure lirc_zilog is in FC distros (recent ones at least)
[22:31:25] EvilBob: /lib/modules/2.6.34.7–56.fc13.i686.PAE/kernel/drivers/input/lirc/lirc_zilo g.ko
[22:32:05] awalls: OK. GRab the "firmware" from the blushingpenguin blog and use lirc_zilog.
[22:32:30] Beirdo: just what did you do to the penguin, and why is it blushing?
[22:32:32] Beirdo: pervs.
[22:32:49] awalls: That is if your ivtv card has a Zilog Z8F08111 microcontroller for IR.
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[22:34:08] EvilBob: awalls: I think it is not that controller. Let me check, I think the firmware is included
[22:35:16] awalls: I would be quite surprised if the blusingpenguin firmware blog is shipped with Fedora.
[22:35:23] awalls: /blob/
[22:35:46] EvilBob: cx something... still looking
[22:36:11] awalls: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/haup-ir-blaster.bin
[22:36:36] awalls: CX25843 is the A/V decoder chip
[22:36:44] EvilBob: Ahhh yes
[22:36:47] awalls: CX23416 is the MPEG encoder/PCI bridge
[22:37:24] EvilBob: is there docs to what I should do with this .bin?
[22:37:47] Beirdo: does not compute
[22:37:51] awalls: Mark's Zilog "firmware" blob is a bunch of I2C traffic captures so lirc_zilog can perform a replay attack on the Z8F0811 and get the balster to work.
[22:38:02] awalls: /blaster/
[22:38:13] awalls: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24
[22:38:25] awalls: Ignore the lirc patching instructions
[22:39:15] awalls: You only need the firmware blob in place, just to make the lirc_zilog driver happy; it wants to set up the Tx side of the chip
[22:40:17] awalls: lirc_zilog is the old lirc_pvr150 modules hacked/cleaned up a bit
[22:41:20] EvilBob: OK I now have http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/haup-ir-blaster.bin in /lib/firmware
[22:41:54] EvilBob: do I need to rmmod anything that was added before, lirc_dev lirc_i2c ?
[22:42:18] awalls: rmmod lirc_i2c wouldn't hurt
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[22:43:40] EvilBob: I am using http://www.pjd.nu/lirc/lircd_pvr150.conf I see this suggested http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/lircd.conf
[22:43:54] ** awalls shrugs **
[22:44:06] EvilBob: Will go with what I have for now
[22:45:28] Beirdo: woohoo. new drives await me at home
[22:45:36] Beirdo: should be a fun night
[22:46:36] Beirdo: gotta get the drives hooked up before 7pm
[22:46:42] awalls: EvilBob: Your first config is for the Grey Hauppauge RC-5 remote
[22:47:11] Beirdo: as the next time I can shut down the backend without losing recordings... 11pm
[22:47:11] awalls: If you've got the new black RC-6 remote, it won't work
[22:47:46] awalls: There is also apparently on old black RC-5 remote, but I've never seen one.
[22:48:54] awalls: The first file only specifies the remote to receive.
[22:49:15] EvilBob: Mine is the silver
[22:49:30] awalls: The second config file apparently also specifies a blaster configuration to LIRC
[22:49:39] awalls: That should be the RC-5 one.
[22:49:40] EvilBob: the http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/lircd.conf file is huge, throw a bunch of errors
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[22:50:21] awalls: Did lirc_zilog give you reasonable messages in dmesg BTW?
[22:51:09] EvilBob: yeah, it all looks good
[22:51:30] awalls: OK. I'm outta here. :)
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[22:51:41] EvilBob: that second lircd.conf throws a bunch of
[22:51:43] EvilBob: Oct 5 17:50:13 mpc03 lircd-0.8.6[3507]: error in configfile line 30944:
[22:51:43] EvilBob: Oct 5 17:50:13 mpc03 lircd-0.8.6[3507]: "2195390542" is out of range
[22:53:45] Beirdo: not that again
[22:53:55] Beirdo: what are you controlling?
[22:54:11] EvilBob: Beirdo: I don't want to control anything
[22:54:18] wagnerrp: i seem to be mostly functional, with an hour to spare
[22:54:18] Beirdo: hmm?
[22:54:27] EvilBob: Beirdo: I just want the receiver to work
[22:54:32] Beirdo: oh
[22:54:42] Beirdo: comment out that remote config then
[22:54:48] wagnerrp: i think ill leave it that way, and fix it the rest of the way after recordings
[22:55:08] Beirdo: those are likely the transmit codes
[22:55:10] EvilBob: Beirdo: OK will do
[22:55:27] Beirdo: I have those in my transmit config for the HDPVR
[22:55:47] Beirdo: and you'd need a newer/patched lirc to treat the code as uint32 instead of int32 to fix that
[22:56:13] Beirdo: thankfully, I won't be using that anymore, so I don't care too much
[22:59:01] ** Beirdo pulls wagnerrp back to the dark side **
[22:59:05] EvilBob: Yeah seems to be a common response in a lot of areas
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[22:59:21] EvilBob: "Doesn't effect me, I don't care"
[22:59:35] Beirdo: I'm controlling the DirecTV boxes... I used LIRC for a while, then realized I could use USB/Serial
[22:59:49] Beirdo: so now I'm using that, and LIRC only for receive
[22:59:54] Beirdo: with my mceusb
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[23:00:45] EvilBob: I am stuck in bed a lot, having to use my wireless keyboard is a real drag
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[23:01:22] Beirdo: yeah, well. mceusb may be a lot easier to get working, but if you already have a receiver on the card, by all means, get it going if you can
[23:02:03] EvilBob: I have three of these cards actually
[23:02:12] EvilBob: 7 tuners in all
[23:02:38] Beirdo: 3 PVR-150?
[23:03:04] Beirdo: Heh, according to mythtv, I have 11 encoders right now
[23:03:15] Beirdo: of course, not all are usable at once
[23:03:43] EvilBob: yes 3 PVR-150 and 2 PVR-500
[23:03:54] Beirdo: wow. Analog heaven
[23:04:10] EvilBob: Yeah luck the cable company still has analog
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[23:04:38] EvilBob: being in a fixed income now puts digital out of the budget for a while
[23:04:40] Beirdo: enjoy it while it lasts, I tell ya
[23:06:03] EvilBob: these cards were cheap enough when I got them, on sale with a rebate for like $30 a few years ago when I was still able to work
[23:07:17] wagnerrp: Beirdo: yeah... whoops... wrong channel
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[23:10:41] EvilBob: Beirdo: OK I have created a couple lircd.conf files from that long one with the tx info
[23:11:12] Beirdo: you only need the one that matches your remote if you are doing receive only
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[23:11:24] Beirdo: the rest can go away
[23:11:44] EvilBob: Beirdo: What should I be doing to test these? I currently put one in place, restart lirc, run irw to loook for feedback.
[23:11:58] Beirdo: pretty much
[23:12:03] EvilBob: K
[23:12:32] Beirdo: you may not need to restart lirc, you might be able to tell irw to directly use a config file
[23:13:07] Beirdo: hmmm, nope
[23:13:11] Beirdo: never mind that then :)
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[23:14:28] EvilBob: no love with any of the three lircd.conf I have
[23:14:48] EvilBob: Going to have to go hunt some different ones down I guess
[23:15:08] Beirdo: look for ones specifically for the remote, rather than for the card
[23:15:54] EvilBob: Yeah, it is the "silver" from what I am able to identify, will keep searching. Thanks for the help and input
[23:16:55] Beirdo: RC-5 or RC-6 would be what I'd try
[23:16:56] Beirdo: one sec
[23:17:13] EvilBob: Oh and just for the record, "gnome-lirc-properties" is pure evil
[23:17:31] Beirdo: gnome * is pure evil in my mind
[23:17:35] EvilBob: LOL
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[23:18:17] EvilBob: I tried it when I could not get this thing working, it hid a config somewhere that screwed everything up
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[23:18:44] Beirdo: http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/lircd.conf-Hauppauge_remote
[23:19:04] Beirdo: that's the one (IIRC) that liked the grey remote that came with the HDPVR.
[23:19:11] Beirdo: it's quite possibly the same remote
[23:20:08] EvilBob: No love, assuming that anything is working right
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[23:21:05] Beirdo: you could try irrecord to see if it even sees your remote
[23:21:18] Beirdo: could also be dead batteries or bad cable, etc
[23:21:34] EvilBob: tried three cables and all three remotes...
[23:21:54] skd5aner: is looking at the wishlists for the first time in 3 years, and man... there's a LOT of suggestions out there
[23:21:56] EvilBob: only thing I have not tried is a hammer
[23:22:18] skd5aner: even if the devs wanted to only work on requests, it would take a few years to go through and implement even a good portion of those
[23:22:26] skd5aner: even only the legitimate requests
[23:23:08] wagnerrp: skd5aner: there is a lot of overlap between those requests, and the current development plans
[23:23:23] wagnerrp: cleaning up the setup (big one)
[23:23:30] skd5aner: yea
[23:23:39] wagnerrp: streaming music for mythmusic, cleaned up interface
[23:23:43] skd5aner: I see you've done a bit of cleanup on occasions
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[23:24:04] wagnerrp: then there are stupid things like 'change from ffmpeg to vlc' or 'change from ffmpeg to gstreamer'
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[23:24:37] wagnerrp: or things like 'put commflagging in the cloud' and 'share cutlists'
[23:25:09] wagnerrp: skd5aner: pretty sure there is a 'video wall' request in there somewhere
[23:25:09] skd5aner: I'm wondering if there's a better way to manage the feature request page
[23:25:19] skd5aner: I mean, it's miserable to even go through
[23:25:32] skd5aner: I can't imagine a dev woudl ever want to
[23:25:54] wagnerrp: i make sure to at least look at every new request that goes in
[23:25:57] wagnerrp: and often comment on them
[23:26:06] wagnerrp: theres a handful ive implemented
[23:26:17] skd5aner: is way too unstructured – I wouldn't have known it was already in there
[23:27:00] wagnerrp: "For users of HDTV's, would it be possible to tile multiple standard definition tv recordings together into one tiled display? To create a poorman's videowall, where, if you had an HDTV and multiple standard def tuner cards, you could watch two or three TV shows at once."
[23:27:26] skd5aner: yea – I like my description better, but basically the same thing
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[23:27:53] wagnerrp: then theres crap like the sorting one a couple above yours
[23:28:04] wagnerrp: sorting by season would be great... but the guide data simply doesnt allow for it
[23:28:30] wagnerrp: we would /have/ to pull in stuff from TTVDB
[23:28:44] Beirdo: commflag in the cloud?
[23:28:45] Beirdo: hhehe
[23:28:53] skd5aner: I'm really debating setting up a structured way to track requests... I've brought it up before and I didn't receive a lot of great feedback on the idea, but I might run with it anyway
[23:29:05] Beirdo: if someone REALLY wants that, there's nothing stopping them from doing it
[23:29:41] wagnerrp: skd5aner: a lot of us think there should be something, we just dont want all that noise on trac
[23:29:42] Beirdo: or they can contact me (and reimburse all the development and testing costs) and maybe I might do something about it :)
[23:29:49] skd5aner: wagnerrp: that'd be great, if it was extremely easy to tie TTVDB ID to XMLTVID :) heh
[23:30:10] skd5aner: wagnerrp: I've proposed a crowdsourcing tool before...
[23:30:27] wagnerrp: crowdsourcing?
[23:30:40] skd5aner: yea... like http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web . . . lrv49l8LKnvw
[23:30:43] skd5aner: lolk
[23:30:45] skd5aner: lol
[23:30:46] skd5aner: not that one
[23:30:55] Beirdo: no reason we can't make an EC2 AMI that lets a luser send the video to S3, commflag it, send back the flagging details
[23:31:01] skd5aner: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[23:31:15] wagnerrp: Beirdo: sure... except bandwidth constraints
[23:31:17] Beirdo: but I ain't gonna do that without compensation :) and it will cost the end users, for sure
[23:31:35] Beirdo: yeah, that's their problem should they want it :)
[23:31:38] wagnerrp: surely no one has a processor /so/ slow that its faster to upload it across the internet and have a cloud process it, than to just do so locally
[23:31:44] Beirdo: hehe
[23:31:46] skd5aner: wagnerrp: puts the ideas in a database, easily searchable, helps eliminate dupes, and gives people a way to submit ideas in a structure format, vote on other ideas etc
[23:31:46] Beirdo: agreed
[23:32:08] Beirdo: and if you can afford to do it in the cloud...
[23:32:11] skd5aner: if devs care to use it, or even look at it,that would be their choice but I think anything is better than the flat wiki :)
[23:32:18] Beirdo: you can afford a new frigging system
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[23:32:30] wagnerrp: skd5aner: the simple fact is that someone is going to have to manage it
[23:32:35] skd5aner: I'd volunteer
[23:32:40] Beirdo: I think I heard a volunteer
[23:32:44] Beirdo: heh
[23:32:47] skd5aner: I will do it, I'd be happy to
[23:32:50] wagnerrp: triagers, for lack of a better term
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[23:33:00] skd5aner: only issue is I don't have a place to host
[23:33:03] wagnerrp: categorize everything well
[23:33:13] wagnerrp: give proper descriptions
[23:33:25] Beirdo: wagnerrp: we could find enough interested parties, I think
[23:33:28] skd5aner: again, I'd be willing to do it – even in an offline mode to transfer what's in the wiki into the system
[23:33:47] wagnerrp: we could set up some sort of bot to do a nightly transfer
[23:34:00] Beirdo: I'd like to see it as part of the bug-tracking system... but not trac :)
[23:34:02] skd5aner: In fact, I've debated just running it on my own home server, copying it over, then showing it to you guys and saying "hey, can we do something with this"
[23:34:06] Beirdo: something more agile :)
[23:34:26] Beirdo: something that allows more than one big monolithic queue
[23:34:27] skd5aner: but I'd probably like a little more commitment that I didn't spend several weeks on something that got the thumbs down from the devs
[23:34:40] skd5aner: Also, it keeps EVERYTHING out of trac
[23:35:08] skd5aner: Well... "nightly transfer" of what?
[23:35:21] wagnerrp: dump the contents onto the wiki
[23:35:23] skd5aner: I mean... I don't see any batch being a part of a properly architected system
[23:35:30] Beirdo: cat /dev/null > /dev/wiki?
[23:35:31] Beirdo: heh
[23:35:32] wagnerrp: in similar fashion to the existing pages
[23:35:32] skd5aner: I don't see why you'd want to use the wiki at all?
[23:35:48] wagnerrp: oh, i thought that was something you were proposing
[23:35:58] wagnerrp: 'even in'... as in 'if nothing else'
[23:36:10] skd5aner: no... I literrally mean use IdeaTorrent (which is the software – it's a plugin to drupal)
[23:36:40] skd5aner: I use it at work, we use it for innovation – to get new ideas from users and lines of business, as well as track new features, functionality, etc
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[23:36:49] skd5aner: It's pretty cool what it is capable of
[23:36:56] Beirdo: http://www.ideatorrent.org/
[23:36:56] wagnerrp: heres an idea, fix your database server
[23:37:02] Beirdo: seems it's capable of crashing
[23:37:07] wagnerrp: :)
[23:37:09] Beirdo: fits right in with trac then
[23:37:23] skd5aner: please don't hold that against the idea
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[23:37:28] skd5aner: heh :)
[23:37:30] Beirdo: I'm not :)
[23:37:38] sphery: how is the GF5200 thread still going on?
[23:37:49] Beirdo: danged if I know
[23:38:05] wagnerrp: stubbornness to hold back the endless flow of time
[23:38:22] sphery: I don't think the GF5200 was supported by the nvidia non-legacy drivers as long as that thread's been going
[23:38:34] skd5aner: but, like I said – I'm happy to play around with it on my own and get everything manually entered that's currently in the wiki pages – but the only issue is I can't really go live with it from my home server – no bandwidth
[23:38:52] sphery: (meaning it spent less time as a non-legacy card than that thread has spent filling up my inbox)
[23:38:52] wagnerrp: the 5200 hasnt been supported since nov. 2008
[23:39:06] wagnerrp: they dropped support when they released VDPAU
[23:39:09] sphery: right
[23:39:32] sphery: I'm talking total time, not overlapping time
[23:39:32] Beirdo: skd5aner: well, I'd suggest hunting down xris sometime and chat with him about it
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[23:39:48] skd5aner: yea, not a bad idea
[23:40:38] Beirdo: we could use such a think (I think), but he may know of other solutions as well that we may even be able to host, etc.
[23:41:01] Beirdo: that particular one seems to want postgres, which could become an issue as our servers are mysql-based
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[23:41:14] Beirdo: I doubt we'd want to run both SQL servers :)
[23:41:17] skd5aner: it's a drupal plugin, so it uses whatever drupal uses
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[23:41:22] Beirdo: fair enough
[23:41:24] skd5aner: which can be MySQL
[23:41:49] wagnerrp: Beirdo: what are you talking about? we use sqlite
[23:41:52] Beirdo: but you know what I mean. The concept is good, but we'd need to find what implementation to use, etc.
[23:42:03] Beirdo: wagnerrp: not for everything, do we? :)
[23:42:15] skd5aner: yea
[23:42:15] wagnerrp: well theres only trac and the wiki
[23:42:26] wagnerrp: i assume pipermail does its own thing
[23:42:33] Beirdo: hmm, well, you could be right on that
[23:42:41] Beirdo: I don't feel like logging in right now.
[23:42:41] Beirdo: hehe
[23:42:54] Beirdo: anyways, same point applies :)
[23:43:02] skd5aner: yup
[23:43:17] Beirdo: I like the idea of being able to track that stuff better
[23:43:36] Beirdo: so people can stop putting feature requests in trac and having the door slammed in their face
[23:43:51] Beirdo: the wiki doesn't seem to work for them for some reason
[23:43:52] Beirdo: so...
[23:43:58] EvilBob: Beirdo: My remotes look like this one http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/im . . . e_medium.jpg
[23:44:06] wagnerrp: thats cause no one looks at it
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[23:44:19] Beirdo: having a pile of requested features is a good thing, especially when we go hunting for something to spend time on
[23:44:23] skd5aner: Beirdo: yea – like I said, it's nothing more than a "better" way to do it and look for innovative ideas should the devs choose to do so
[23:44:36] Beirdo: EvilBob: I think that's the one I have
[23:44:41] skd5aner: wagnerrp: it's painful to look at :)
[23:44:42] Beirdo: I'm not at home, so not sure
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[23:45:14] Beirdo: skd5aner: yeah, as long as people realize that requesting features doesn't mean they will necessarily ever happen
[23:45:17] Beirdo: :)
[23:45:19] skd5aner: Beirdo: yea, you can also see "ahh – 2 people want this feature, but 200 want this one"
[23:45:23] Beirdo: yup
[23:45:28] wagnerrp: ugh... i really hate when my mail server goes down for extended periods
[23:45:34] skd5aner: Beirdo: exactly – I don't think that expectation would/should chang
[23:45:35] skd5aner: e
[23:45:46] Beirdo: and 500 want this one that's never going to happen for legal reasons, sorry...
[23:46:28] skd5aner: well, the nice thing about this is that responses can be posted similiar to trac that say the suggestion is invalid, etc – helps prevent it from coming back up too
[23:46:33] Beirdo: but yeah, knowing relative "popularity" may inspire some to work on things
[23:47:03] Beirdo: and even for non-core-devs to chew on a big patch to work on something, potentially
[23:47:10] skd5aner: yup
[23:47:33] Beirdo: of course, they'd be best off checking to make sure that the end product CAN be put in (legal, etc)
[23:48:07] wagnerrp: there we go
[23:48:19] ** wagnerrp just dumped his secondary mx onto his primary **
[23:48:49] wagnerrp: that was uneventful...
[23:48:51] Beirdo: no taking a dump on your mailhosts. Messy
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[23:50:47] wagnerrp: now theyre filtering through
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[23:52:21] Beirdo: stupid Amazon/UPS
[23:52:38] Beirdo: my precision screwdriver set is supposed to be here tomorrow
[23:52:57] Beirdo: UPS lists it as "billing info received" and shows it as ground?!
[23:53:02] Beirdo: EAT ME :)
[23:54:07] Beirdo: whereas the arctic silver stuff... ordered a day later... Arrived in Seattle already
[23:54:16] Beirdo: from Louisville, KY
[23:54:31] wagnerrp: we do things faster around here
[23:54:41] Beirdo: shouldn't :)
[23:54:52] James4321: dude i hate all of them ups and fedex
[23:54:53] Beirdo: the screwdriver set's coming from Indianapolis
[23:55:03] Beirdo: they SHOULD be plenty fast there
[23:55:12] James4321: they both suck and they dont care cause thats the only people around doin shipping
[23:55:23] Beirdo: usually, it's pretty good
[23:55:24] wagnerrp: nah, indiana is full of aimless wonderers
[23:55:32] Beirdo: but Indy 500...
[23:55:34] Beirdo: come on :)
[23:55:42] James4321: :)
[23:55:55] wagnerrp: they may have a world famous race track, but you dont want to be around them on the road
[23:56:00] Beirdo: heheh
[23:56:10] Beirdo: fair enough
[23:56:11] wagnerrp: sometimes they just want to drive 35... on the highway
[23:56:22] Beirdo: what? are they from Puerto Rico?
[23:56:22] James4321: best city to live in ?
[23:56:32] Beirdo: frigging idiots.
[23:56:41] skd5aner: Hey... I'm from Indy – watch it
[23:56:44] Beirdo: the drivers in PR made me mad nearly daily
[23:56:57] Beirdo: 40 in the left lane in a 65 zone...
[23:56:59] wagnerrp: man, you had to grow up with that mess?
[23:57:21] wagnerrp: you people are a good 15 miles away, and you still bog things up
[23:57:22] Beirdo: come up behind them, flash the lights... they slow to 35
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[23:57:25] skd5aner: FedEx has a ginourmous hub there, and Amazon has a distribution center (along with a lot of other companies) about 1 mile away, so it's pretty fast shipping on lots of stuff
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[23:57:54] wagnerrp: that and people from anderson township
[23:58:10] skd5aner: wagnerrp: where you from? want to PM me if you'd like
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[23:58:22] Beirdo: so I'd pass em on the right (which is legal there) with my one hand steering and on the horn, and the other showing a Trudeau salute
[23:58:26] wagnerrp: idoits drive home that way _every_day_ and they just dont realize that the speed limit is 65
[23:58:31] Beirdo: which... is not quite legal :)
[23:58:35] wagnerrp: skd5aner: about 2hrs from there, cincinnati
[23:58:48] skd5aner: ah, ok – yay King's Island ;)
[23:59:11] skd5aner: I don't live in Indy (or the Midwest) currently, but it's still "home"
[23:59:15] wagnerrp: to be fair, 74 between here and indy is a fairly pleasant drive
[23:59:20] skd5aner: yea
[23:59:27] wagnerrp: of course that may have just been the time of day i took it
[23:59:31] wagnerrp: there was no traffic
[23:59:47] skd5aner: Except for all the idiots heading to "The Boats" on the weekends ;)
[23:59:48] Beirdo: Reds suck
[23:59:50] Beirdo: :)

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