| Friday, October 1st, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | high-rez: | skd5aner: I'd donate the server :D |
| [00:00:05] | skd5aner: | trusted recommendations and general recommendations ,etc |
| [00:00:06] | high-rez: | And hosting! |
| [00:00:20] | skd5aner: | well, that's been part of this issue – licensing of data |
| [00:00:21] | high-rez: | And two 120 minute IPAs for the person who writes it :) |
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| [00:00:43] | high-rez: | skd5aner: THe way I think of it, the data would be harvested fro myth users themselves (optin of coruse) |
| [00:01:01] | skd5aner: | you can see Isaac and other devs have discussed some of their concerns before it would be considered as an officially supported feature |
| [00:01:38] | skd5aner: | but I'm not sure it's gotten any real serious discussion recently – but that's probably because no one has stepped up to solve the problem and code the solution |
| [00:01:53] | skd5aner: | patches welcome :) |
| [00:02:01] | high-rez: | E.g. a checkbox (thats by default unchecked) that says "Share my data with the myth recommendation servers" and another that says "Automatically record recommendations when tuners are idle" |
| [00:02:04] | skd5aner: | but solve any legality issues first ;) |
| [00:02:12] | high-rez: | What's the legality issue ? |
| [00:02:24] | skd5aner: | well – privacy is another issue – I would assume it would always be an "opt-in" service |
| [00:02:32] | skd5aner: | the guide data |
| [00:02:35] | high-rez: | Yeah, its opt-in (not opt-out) |
| [00:02:54] | high-rez: | don't need guide data – just program name |
| [00:03:05] | skd5aner: | Well, I'm not saying it is or isn't an issue |
| [00:03:27] | high-rez: | It would literalyl be a dump of program names and frequency (wathces) |
| [00:03:38] | skd5aner: | just saying, not sure what (if any) issues there are leveraging program name across servers and multiple users |
| [00:03:39] | high-rez: | Because there's small variation you could use fuzzy querying for that |
| [00:04:22] | skd5aner: | It's probably fair use, but I don't know :) |
| [00:04:33] | high-rez: | I think this almost exact issue came up a long time ago |
| [00:04:39] | high-rez: | When third parties tried to print phone books |
| [00:04:57] | high-rez: | And mah bell claimed copyright on phone numbers (they lost that one) |
| [00:04:58] | skd5aner: | I mean, TTVDB can post show titles and descriptions |
| [00:05:10] | high-rez: | Exactly. Ditto for IMDB etc. |
| [00:05:17] | skd5aner: | all I'm saying is, don't assume :) |
| [00:05:31] | skd5aner: | IMDB is a company that has licensing contracts with production companies |
| [00:05:37] | high-rez: | Of coruse, one could use xmltvid if it was really an issue – makes it very north americna centric though :/ |
| [00:05:51] | skd5aner: | actually, that's where the line ends... |
| [00:06:02] | skd5aner: | XMLTVID is proprietary... you can't use or reference it |
| [00:06:16] | high-rez: | ok back to program name |
| [00:07:09] | high-rez: | Now I'll get my head bitton off for this, but I think the data itself is very valiable. Of course its anonymous – but if the system had a large sample |
| [00:07:51] | high-rez: | One could build rating data off of it, all sorts of stuff, that could be licensed from a non profit to support their project (thats you guys) |
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| [00:08:27] | high-rez: | Or even as a trade to the user for free guide data. |
| [00:09:31] | Baylink: | The phonebook case is Feist v Rural, and is only controlling in the US. |
| [00:10:15] | high-rez: | Great, now one just needs to find out if it coudl be used an an affirmative defense or even remotely applies? :P |
| [00:10:16] | Baylink: | But if the question is "can users trade recommendation data around using some network-supplied primary key about a program as the identifier without running afoul of IP law?" the answer is almost certainly yes, Feist or not. |
| [00:10:43] | Baylink: | IE: "can we use Production Number as our own key?" Sure. |
| [00:10:52] | Baylink: | No creative content in it; it's an *address*. |
| [00:11:03] | high-rez: | What about program name? |
| [00:11:11] | high-rez: | "Arrested Development" "Band of Brothers" |
| [00:11:26] | Baylink: | I see no reason you couldn't use that either, though it has the potential to be more breakable. |
| [00:11:46] | skd5aner: | You can't use XMLTVID – that's licensed from Tribune Media Services... |
| [00:11:50] | Baylink: | You'd want to force it a bit. Casefold, spacestrip, ec. |
| [00:11:53] | Baylink: | Sure you can. |
| [00:11:56] | high-rez: | I imagine a system, where once a week the backend checks in and posts a list of programs and the number of times it was watched. |
| [00:11:56] | skd5aner: | However, there are other identifiers out like, like TTVDB ID |
| [00:12:22] | Baylink: | TMS cannot — at least in the US — hold a copyright on a nominative, at least so far as I know. |
| [00:12:34] | skd5aner: | the name? |
| [00:12:38] | Baylink: | I believe West has lost their case on the legal identifier system; let me check. |
| [00:13:51] | skd5aner: | Baylink: I'm just saying – this has been brought up before regarding XMLTVID – I don't know if (doubt there is) legal issues apply to series name – I would seriously doubt it |
| [00:14:16] | Baylink: | Westlaw *tried* to sue Lexis for using it's page numbering for citations, they lost. Bender v West |
| [00:14:20] | Baylink: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reporter |
| [00:17:24] | Baylink: | Doesn't XMLTVID point to an *airing*, rather than an *episode*, anyway, though? |
| [00:18:09] | high-rez: | Ok, so there are three pieces to this. 1, backend reporting 2, server ETL/recommending 3, reco idle recording |
| [00:18:37] | skd5aner: | no, XMLTVID is a series ID |
| [00:18:54] | Baylink: | So all 5 runs of a given Daily Show over 2 day carry the same one. |
| [00:19:42] | skd5aner: | actually, XMLTVID is just aligned to a network I think |
| [00:19:46] | skd5aner: | I'm getting confused |
| [00:20:06] | Beirdo: | Bender? |
| [00:20:17] | Beirdo: | how did that robot get to be a plaintiff? |
| [00:20:25] | Baylink: | Yeah, just found that myself. |
| [00:21:28] | Beirdo: | Bender v. Fry. |
| [00:22:36] | Baylink: | Heh. |
| [00:23:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | high-rez: Hey... ;-) |
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| [00:23:56] | Baylink: | Lemme go look here |
| [00:26:13] | Baylink: | Well, I can't get into Pam's 'recorded'; it's marked as crashed — even though she's running. |
| [00:26:23] | Baylink: | Are the schemas on the wiki these days? |
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| [00:28:51] | Baylink: | Nvm. On reflection, you're going to *have* to use seriestitle-eptitle, since people not on TMS backed services won't have your primaryID anyway. |
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| [00:29:06] | Baylink: | And you have to handle "generic eptitle", or things will get messy. |
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| [00:46:58] | Baylink: | Anyone using the native Radeon driver for TVOUT (over S-Video)? Since I upgraded, I'm having some interlace flakiness on output; it bounces in and out... |
| [00:47:15] | Baylink: | Card's a 9600SE |
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| [00:53:40] | Beirdo: | Radeon?! |
| [00:53:56] | Beirdo: | !trout Baylink NVidia |
| [00:53:56] | ** MythLogBot slaps Baylink with a NVidia trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [00:54:24] | Beirdo: | I stopped with the radeons for myth... about 5 years ago |
| [00:55:02] | gaurdro: | ugh, the hvr only locks on to an audio standard for a fraction of a second every once in a while. grrr. and it's not even the same standard on the same channel ~10 seconds apart |
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| [00:56:25] | gaurdro: | there's no way to turn off autodetection and force a single standard is there? |
| [00:56:28] | Beirdo: | home time |
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| [00:58:23] | Baylink: | It's what I have. Ok, I'll go ask #radeon, then. |
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| [01:08:48] | gaurdro: | or a related question, are there nicer to work with cards that have the same featureset as the hvr-1600 on the market? |
| [01:09:42] | [R]: | gaurdro: the linuxtv wiki has a list of devices that work |
| [01:10:07] | jk-: | gaurdro: autodetection on the s-video output? |
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| [01:13:31] | jk-: | gaurdro: this is what I used to use for radeon tv-out: http://pastebin.com/cfuTnQg8 |
| [01:14:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: come on now... a 9600 is probably old enough that the open source `radeon` driver is pretty good |
| [01:15:09] | jk-: | erk, s/gaurdo/Baylink/, sorry |
| [01:16:53] | Baylink: | It is, except for this intermittent interlace problem. |
| [01:17:02] | Baylink: | Which we didn't have on fglrx, ever. |
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| [01:20:38] | Baylink: | That's within delta of what I'm doing with xrandr, jk-, yeah. |
| [01:21:42] | gaurdro: | is it safe to say that all the cards listed on the wiki will work? |
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| [01:33:20] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I still wouldn't use it for myth :) |
| [01:33:30] | Beirdo: | after all, I'm mainly using HD now :) |
| [01:34:44] | Beirdo: | time to watch some A-Team |
| [01:40:04] | wagnerrp: | i love it when a new frontend comes together |
| [01:43:25] | Baylink: | Haw. |
| [01:43:44] | Baylink: | Well, #radeon got nothing for my interlace problem... |
| [01:43:51] | wagnerrp: | it seems my HDHR issues are freebsd based |
| [01:44:08] | wagnerrp: | im having no problems recording now that i moved it back over to my linux backend |
| [01:44:21] | wagnerrp: | 'course that means ive got a tunerless MBE again |
| [01:44:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:44:34] | wagnerrp: | but such has been life for the past two years |
| [01:44:38] | Beirdo: | what doesn't it like? |
| [01:44:48] | wagnerrp: | i dont know |
| [01:45:51] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if SD actually supports freebsd |
| [01:46:02] | wagnerrp: | or if it just sorta works because its close enough to linux |
| [01:46:56] | Beirdo: | no clue |
| [01:47:19] | Beirdo: | OK, time to try exiting the frontend to see if I can reproduce paul-h's issue |
| [01:48:05] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [01:48:11] | Beirdo: | no, mine exits cleanly |
| [01:48:28] | Beirdo: | it whines about the mysql threads, but still exits |
| [01:48:41] | Beirdo: | time to update, recompile the frontend, I guess |
| [01:50:04] | gpmidi_wrk: | Whelp, my hd-pvr isn't working again. Nothing has changed other than the passage of time and a reboot. Backend logs: http://pastebin.com/gQEAZpYL Any ideas what to try next? |
| [01:51:18] | Beirdo: | did you try power-cycling the HDPVR? |
| [01:51:38] | gpmidi_wrk: | yup |
| [01:51:45] | gpmidi_wrk: | pulled the power cables out |
| [01:51:53] | Laughing_Elephan: | hey im back wagnerrp |
| [01:51:55] | gpmidi_wrk: | rebooted the system too |
| [01:52:05] | gpmidi_wrk: | rmmod hdpvr;modprobe hdpvr too |
| [01:52:20] | gpmidi_wrk: | even checked that all of the cables are all plugged in tight too |
| [01:52:30] | Beirdo: | you sure it's on /dev/video1 |
| [01:52:34] | Laughing_Elephan: | i was wondering if you had any other ideas to fix my static issue besides cutting out the splitter |
| [01:52:36] | gpmidi_wrk: | vlc directly reads from /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 fine |
| [01:52:49] | gpmidi_wrk: | both video0 and video1 work |
| [01:53:17] | Beirdo: | are they both hdpvr? |
| [01:53:20] | gpmidi_wrk: | yup |
| [01:53:40] | gpmidi_wrk: | each attached to a motorola verizon fios stb |
| [01:53:52] | gpmidi_wrk: | via component with optical spdif for audio |
| [01:54:14] | Beirdo: | beats me |
| [01:54:51] | Beirdo: | there's been so much changed since 0.23-fixes that I'm not sure what to suggest |
| [01:55:11] | gpmidi_wrk: | guess I'll email the list in the morning |
| [01:55:52] | Beirdo: | hahaahhahaha |
| [01:55:58] | ** Beirdo is an idiot ** | |
| [01:56:08] | gpmidi_wrk: | ? |
| [01:56:11] | Beirdo: | I just compiled the frontend... on the backend box |
| [01:56:17] | gpmidi_wrk: | lol, well done |
| [01:56:19] | Beirdo: | duh, of course that ain't gonna run |
| [01:57:36] | Beirdo: | let's try that again, shall we? |
| [01:58:18] | gpmidi_wrk: | unrelated question: I've noticed that the backend zombies sometimes |
| [01:58:27] | gpmidi_wrk: | is there anyway of clearing that short of rebooting? |
| [01:58:45] | Beirdo: | short of running 0.24 once it's out? |
| [01:58:49] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:59:08] | Beirdo: | if you kill all the backend processes, it in theory should clean those up |
| [01:59:14] | gpmidi_wrk: | tried that |
| [01:59:24] | gpmidi_wrk: | tried getting init to reload too |
| [01:59:34] | gpmidi_wrk: | (init was the parent process) |
| [01:59:53] | Beirdo: | if init's now the parent, they should be reaped already |
| [02:00:16] | gpmidi_wrk: | that's what I thought....:-/ |
| [02:00:35] | Beirdo: | a google search on zombies may help |
| [02:00:35] | gpmidi_wrk: | ah well, hopefully mythbuntu updates to 0.24 fairly quickly after it's release |
| [02:00:46] | gpmidi_wrk: | I'll def do that if it happens again |
| [02:01:01] | gpmidi_wrk: | I just rebooted since I needed to reboot anyway see if that would help |
| [02:01:02] | Beirdo: | I haven't seen those since we changed the fork/exec code around a fair amount |
| [02:01:40] | Beirdo: | Qt still can zombie stuff from QProcess calls though |
| [02:01:49] | Beirdo: | that is a known bug in QProcess |
| [02:02:04] | Beirdo: | if the command is not found, for instance |
| [02:02:18] | Beirdo: | pretty lame bug, but it's a known thing |
| [02:02:32] | gpmidi_wrk: | I've never used Qt myself; only used wx thus far (and mostly from python) |
| [02:03:29] | gpmidi_wrk: | I used to have a stuffed vodoo doll version of tux with things like "rouge zombie process" and "kernel panic" writen all over it |
| [02:03:36] | gpmidi_wrk: | it came with little pins you could stick in em |
| [02:04:15] | Beirdo: | abh |
| [02:04:18] | gpmidi_wrk: | this problem I'm having bugs me...it was working great last night |
| [02:04:19] | Beirdo: | bah even :) |
| [02:04:31] | Beirdo: | get durnk |
| [02:04:50] | gpmidi_wrk: | if I didn't have to be up for work tomorrow, I'd go do that |
| [02:05:00] | Beirdo: | wuss :) |
| [02:05:21] | Beirdo: | I remember in the past going to work still hosed from the night before |
| [02:05:28] | Beirdo: | and I'm not talking hangover |
| [02:05:43] | Beirdo: | my alcohol tolerance is a lot lower now |
| [02:06:08] | gpmidi_wrk: | heh, very nice |
| [02:06:57] | gpmidi_wrk: | some stuff I take doesn't mix well with alcohol so I get just as drunk from two beers as I do with 10 |
| [02:07:19] | gpmidi_wrk: | def makes getting drunk cheaper :-p |
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| [02:10:27] | Beirdo: | come on, compile, finish :) |
| [02:15:32] | gpmidi_wrk: | didn't your mother ever tell you that a watched compile never finishes? |
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| [02:20:11] | gpmidi_wrk: | Beirdo: ah, got it working |
| [02:20:13] | gpmidi_wrk: | woot |
| [02:20:18] | gpmidi_wrk: | no idea what I did, but it's working |
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| [02:20:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:20:39] | Beirdo: | so repeatable |
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| [02:22:07] | gpmidi_wrk: | very :-/ |
| [02:22:33] | gpmidi_wrk: | and now it's broken again (I changed the channel change command) |
| [02:22:43] | gpmidi_wrk: | works when I change it back to /bin/true |
| [02:24:47] | gpmidi_wrk: | I wrote a wrapper script for 6200ch that sleeps for 1 second after it runs |
| [02:24:51] | gpmidi_wrk: | but that's not helping |
| [02:24:58] | wagnerrp: | why would you do that? |
| [02:25:18] | gpmidi_wrk: | I've seen many suggestions that it sometimes needs a delay |
| [02:25:22] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: he's not running trunk. No signal monitor :) |
| [02:25:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, add the sleep line into the code and recompile |
| [02:25:46] | gpmidi_wrk: | I just wrote a wrapper around it in bash |
| [02:25:55] | Beirdo: | bash this. :) |
| [02:26:33] | wagnerrp: | one, maybe two lines, and you have a sleep in the code |
| [02:26:42] | Beirdo: | true |
| [02:26:47] | wagnerrp: | 10 lines, and its a variable length sleep, that you pull from a command line argument |
| [02:27:05] | gpmidi_wrk: | looks like I'm going to have to go that route |
| [02:27:23] | gpmidi_wrk: | my bash script isn't working when I change it to only sleep 1 |
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| [02:33:52] | gpmidi_wrk: | added a 1000000us sleep...no change |
| [02:34:17] | gpmidi_wrk: | hmm |
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| [02:41:03] | gpmidi_wrk: | ah, 1s delay failed but 3s delay works |
| [02:42:32] | wagnerrp: | oh for shame |
| [02:42:47] | wagnerrp: | someone wrote 'fushion' on a dry erase board on the big bang theory |
| [02:42:56] | Beirdo: | shhh |
| [02:43:04] | Beirdo: | no spoilers :) |
| [02:43:24] | wagnerrp: | its in the first five seconds, thats not a spoiler |
| [02:43:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:43:53] | wagnerrp: | sheldon is putting together some sort of timeline of the future |
| [02:44:13] | Beirdo: | so, should I get a new Skype number... say in South Africa? |
| [02:44:41] | wagnerrp: | apparently we will achieve deuterium fusion around 2165 |
| [02:44:59] | wagnerrp: | and and there is some random male symbol around 2180 |
| [02:45:20] | gpmidi_wrk: | a clone of prince perhaps? |
| [02:45:42] | wagnerrp: | not sure why it will take so long to accomplish that considering the singularity hits in 2025 |
| [02:45:58] | wagnerrp: | and some 'G.U.T.' and 'T.O.E.'... no idea what those are |
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| [04:08:42] | Beirdo: | yummy pizza |
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| [04:32:18] | k-man: | is there some way, with an mkv file, to see if it has subtiltes stored in it? (from the command line) |
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| [04:32:54] | Beirdo: | probably |
| [04:33:35] | k-man: | any idea how? |
| [04:33:40] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i infile.mkv |
| [04:33:55] | iamlindoro: | just like any other file with subtitles in it |
| [04:34:53] | k-man: | thanks |
| [04:35:18] | Beirdo: | how often do we check the df on the storage groups to balance the load? |
| [04:35:45] | Beirdo: | and I'd guess we check the avail number? |
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| [04:38:15] | k-man: | "movie SRT" would be subtiles right? |
| [04:38:37] | k-man: | oh, above that it says subtitles |
| [04:39:30] | k-man: | how do i configure mythvideo to play mkv files using mplayer? |
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| [04:44:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:44:47] | Beirdo: | what the heck is the point of making an ad for a new TV that shows yellow better? |
| [04:45:11] | Beirdo: | they "demonstrate" it by showing yellow on the screen.... looks yellow to me. |
| [04:45:53] | Beirdo: | might as well just say "buy our pointless product..." |
| [04:46:53] | Beirdo: | it would be like advertising how much better HD is than SD... on SD. |
| [04:47:05] | Beirdo: | pointless |
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| [04:49:23] | k-man: | marketing people do not think in that way |
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| [04:50:20] | Beirdo: | marketing people do not THINK |
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| [04:53:44] | Beirdo: | Windows must die |
| [04:54:34] | ** clever cheers ** | |
| [04:54:50] | clever: | i just closed a simple help file, and it decided to kill the chat app that opened it:P |
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| [04:57:51] | k-man: | Beirdo: i didn;t say they don't think, i said they don't think in that way |
| [04:58:06] | Beirdo: | nah, *I* said they don't think |
| [04:58:11] | Beirdo: | they aren't human |
| [04:58:19] | Beirdo: | what the!??! |
| [04:58:25] | k-man: | its like microwave turntables |
| [04:58:39] | Beirdo: | this isn't what I said to record... this is Antiques Roadshow |
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| [04:59:07] | Beirdo: | and the idiot just appraised a Fender guitar for $35k?! |
| [04:59:11] | Beirdo: | OOOK. |
| [04:59:16] | Beirdo: | deleting this trash now |
| [04:59:39] | k-man: | comercial microwaves have hidden reflectors that bounce the microwaves around – much easier to clean but you cant sell a domestic oven without a turntable |
| [05:00:20] | k-man: | so all domestic ovens now have the useless turntable |
| [05:00:45] | Beirdo: | not so usesless |
| [05:00:57] | Beirdo: | tougher to clean, sure |
| [05:01:22] | Beirdo: | but it reduces the "hotspot" in the microwave |
| [05:01:37] | k-man: | but what i mean is, they put these rotating reflectors in commercial microwaves (and some old domestic micro.s had them too) |
| [05:01:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know |
| [05:01:53] | k-man: | the reflector is hidden behind the wall or ceiling |
| [05:02:04] | Beirdo: | but this is cheaper, and people like it |
| [05:02:20] | k-man: | thats because people are stupid |
| [05:03:03] | Beirdo: | of course they are |
| [05:04:00] | Beirdo: | just think. to get an average IQ of 100... for every genius, there is one really stupid person |
| [05:04:10] | k-man: | heh |
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| [05:07:18] | kormoc: | For every kormoc, there's a dozen smart people! Yay! |
| [05:07:45] | Beirdo: | ummm... no comment :) |
| [05:08:03] | kormoc: | *Ratio of kormocs to smart people is dependent on how much alcohol is currently in kormoc's system |
| [05:08:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:08:32] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:08:44] | kormoc: | so if others get smarter when I drink, do they get dumber when I sober up? |
| [05:08:55] | Beirdo: | most definitely |
| [05:09:22] | kormoc: | so to save humanity we all must drink until one person gets all the smarts and solves every problem! |
| [05:09:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:09:42] | Beirdo: | sounds like a plan |
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| [05:59:33] | NightMonkey: | Hrm. |
| [05:59:43] | NightMonkey: | NVP(0): Disabling Audio, params(-1,-1,-1) |
| [05:59:49] | NightMonkey: | Sadly. |
| [06:00:42] | NightMonkey: | Running 0.23.1. Checked my playback parameters, alsa is working, Music plugin plays, but watched recording are now circa 1918. |
| [06:01:04] | NightMonkey: | Strange, since I haven't touched those settings in a long time. |
| [06:01:24] | NightMonkey: | On playback, Volume is stuck at "0%". |
| [06:01:39] | NightMonkey: | And, stragely, Mute does nothing. |
| [06:01:49] | Beirdo: | why would it? |
| [06:01:50] | NightMonkey: | (no popup) |
| [06:01:58] | Beirdo: | your audio is disabled |
| [06:02:29] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Yep. How do I re-enable it? |
| [06:02:40] | Beirdo: | dunno off hand |
| [06:02:46] | Beirdo: | I'm about to hit the sack |
| [06:03:30] | NightMonkey: | Weird. |
| [06:03:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery or Captain_Murdoch around? |
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| [06:04:39] | NightMonkey: | I guess an even more interesting question is how do you actually disable audio? |
| [06:04:44] | [R]: | oh man |
| [06:04:48] | [R]: | wake on lan is so sexy |
| [06:05:16] | NightMonkey: | [R]: Wait until you add PXE. ;) |
| [06:05:26] | [R]: | NightMonkey: pxe is too ugly |
| [06:05:42] | [R]: | NightMonkey: i need a seemless boot and my motherboard spits out too much garbage with pxe |
| [06:06:01] | [R]: | but otherwise pxe is pretty sexy |
| [06:08:18] | wagnerrp: | dont like the onscreen stuff? |
| [06:08:29] | wagnerrp: | you could probably fix that with gpxe |
| [06:08:48] | wagnerrp: | flash it onto your boot rom, display your own custom graphical boot |
| [06:11:21] | [R]: | thats assuming i am skilled enough to not brick my mobo |
| [06:11:54] | [R]: | i dunno how many times i've bricked hardware at work... and i knew what i was doing |
| [06:12:55] | [R]: | but its not a big deal |
| [06:13:06] | [R]: | i have a small usb stick in my computer that has syslinux on it |
| [06:13:11] | [R]: | with a nice splash |
| [06:15:30] | clever: | only one system here is unable to pxeboot, i just installed grub with a copy of the kernel/initrd |
| [06:15:39] | clever: | it can still nfsroot like every other system |
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| [06:32:13] | NightMonkey: | Ah, solved. Lost a days worth of recordings, but no matter. Must've been library mismatches. |
| [06:32:47] | wagnerrp: | lost how? |
| [06:33:02] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Ah, well, not "lost", just recorded without audio. |
| [06:33:24] | NightMonkey: | Recompiled mythtv (with new stable update), and voila. |
| [06:33:36] | wagnerrp: | that'll teach you not to use a framegrabber... :P |
| [06:33:51] | NightMonkey: | New show has audio, no more complaints from "NVP" (Nasty Volume Pulverizer?) |
| [06:34:09] | wagnerrp: | nuppelvideo player |
| [06:34:16] | NightMonkey: | Yah, just joking. :) |
| [06:34:44] | [R]: | am i the only one that think nuppel sounds dirty? |
| [06:35:09] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [06:35:11] | NightMonkey: | [R]: What could you possibly mean? |
| [06:35:12] | [R]: | :( |
| [06:35:17] | [R]: | NightMonkey: lol |
| [06:35:37] | wagnerrp: | hey, we didnt name it |
| [06:35:41] | NightMonkey: | [R]: Soft, round, Nupplevideo. |
| [06:35:54] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [06:36:50] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: You should go with it, don't fight it. |
| [06:37:02] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: MythTV. Now with NuppleVision. |
| [06:37:06] | wagnerrp: | blame that Roman guy |
| [06:37:40] | NightMonkey: | Polanski? |
| [06:37:52] | wagnerrp: | Hochleitner |
| [06:38:09] | NightMonkey: | Funny. |
| [06:38:23] | NightMonkey: | Wikipedia redirects "Nupplevideo" directly to Mythtv. |
| [06:38:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, we're the only people who still use it |
| [06:39:02] | wagnerrp: | and really, the only project outside Roman's own codes which ever used it |
| [06:39:22] | wagnerrp: | had some great advantages over AVI a decade ago |
| [06:39:28] | wagnerrp: | but it has been passed by |
| [06:39:30] | [R]: | wagnerrp: did you watch law and order los angeles? |
| [06:39:35] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [06:39:55] | [R]: | i need someone to explain it |
| [06:39:59] | wagnerrp: | never seen any of them |
| [06:40:11] | wagnerrp: | old roommate used to watch SVU and CI |
| [06:40:16] | [R]: | i love svu |
| [06:40:26] | kormoc: | I watched LA |
| [06:40:40] | [R]: | kormoc: why did she shoot the guy |
| [06:41:06] | wagnerrp: | he was being uppity |
| [06:41:13] | kormoc: | I don't recall a real explanation to that |
| [06:41:17] | wagnerrp: | cant have that |
| [06:41:32] | [R]: | kormoc: so i'm not the only one that was totally confused? |
| [06:41:55] | kormoc: | nope |
| [06:42:00] | kormoc: | it was pretty rough |
| [06:42:37] | [R]: | rough trebek |
| [06:42:40] | [R]: | just the way your mother likes it |
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| [06:43:29] | kormoc: | She's a sick mallord |
| [06:43:50] | wagnerrp: | was this one of the officers? or the perpetrator? |
| [06:43:56] | kormoc: | perp |
| [06:44:17] | wagnerrp: | they need reasons to shoot people? |
| [06:44:35] | kormoc: | nope |
| [06:44:43] | kormoc: | it just makes a better story when they do |
| [06:45:05] | [R]: | whos the chick on shit my dad says? |
| [06:45:15] | [R]: | she seems familiar |
| [06:45:23] | wagnerrp: | madtv |
| [06:45:30] | wagnerrp: | both of 'em are |
| [06:45:51] | wagnerrp: | and hey now, they call it '<bleep> my dad says' |
| [06:46:13] | [R]: | Holly from King of Queens |
| [06:46:14] | [R]: | that's it... |
| [06:46:33] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it... they actually said 'bleep', they didnt <bleep> it out |
| [06:47:03] | [R]: | they should call it Dollar dot dot exclamation point my dad says |
| [06:47:24] | kormoc is now known as kormoc_afk | |
| [06:47:34] | kormoc_afk is now known as kormoc | |
| [06:47:45] | kormoc: | I want the bleep sound to die |
| [06:47:55] | kormoc: | they can just quiet it down |
| [06:48:17] | NightMonkey: | Sounds like a job for a transcoder. |
| [06:48:37] | NightMonkey: | The DeBleepifier. |
| [06:48:52] | wagnerrp: | no, they need to get Ben Stein to do a 'stuff' voiceover |
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| [06:51:17] | [R]: | why do people sell wii instruction manuals on ebay |
| [06:51:22] | [R]: | are people stupid enough to get it and think its the game? |
| [06:51:50] | wagnerrp: | someone did sell an xboxbox for $300 |
| [06:52:08] | kormoc: | all it takes is one (per lisitng) |
| [06:53:10] | [R]: | "this is great. you can have a conversation without talking" |
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| [09:35:47] | banksy: | Anyone out there successfully using MyMote on their iPhone to control a 0.23.1 frontend? It is failing to grab the keybindings |
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| [09:47:36] | banksy: | I have tried both my frontends, and whilst MyMote finds them, it can't retrieve the bindings nor proceed after that – it just says 'Connecting... Select Frontend' |
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| [10:45:51] | justinh: | oh no not another external app being naughty & accessing the database directly |
| [10:46:46] | justinh: | banksy: you probably need to enable the telnet remote control interface on your frontends – and restart them so the change takes effect |
| [10:51:52] | justinh: | shortest battery life (of a remote control) ever! :-D |
| [11:08:04] | justinh: | heheh bye bye BIOS, eh. UEFI ftw? |
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| [11:44:10] | rileyp: | If I want surround sound in myth on my front end do I need to adjust settings on my backend in the shed to ensure recording are recorded in 5.1 or is all that info embedded in the mpeg2 stream |
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| [11:46:13] | rileyp: | If I want surround sound in myth on my front end do I need to adjust settings on my backend in the shed to ensure recording are recorded in 5.1 or is all that info embedded in the mpeg2 stream |
| [11:54:19] | rileyp: | Am I visible |
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| [12:07:09] | justinh: | rileyp: if you have a digital tuner, what myth can output is limited by what is broadcast |
| [12:07:59] | justinh: | so 5.1 audio is a frontend-only setting |
| [12:08:09] | rileyp: | so does it record automatically in the mpeg2 steam so if my tv station |
| [12:08:16] | justinh: | yes |
| [12:08:17] | rileyp: | ah ok thats what I wanted to know |
| [12:08:42] | justinh: | been eerily quiet in here for ages now. wonder what's up |
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| [12:09:23] | rileyp: | so i need not play with settings in mythtvsetup on BE as they are simply for playback on the backend? or their are on audio settings in mythv-setup and Im dreaming crapola |
| [12:09:32] | justinh: | hmm I need to get hold of some sata HDD cloning devices ASAP |
| [12:09:45] | justinh: | like er... by Tuesday |
| [12:11:37] | rileyp: | hmm just opend mythtv-setup no audio settings in there so yes waffling crapola I am |
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| [12:12:18] | justinh: | yes, like yoda you speak |
| [12:12:30] | rileyp: | will I get sound out of hdmi and 1/4 inch plugs on my asrock front end |
| [12:12:45] | rileyp: | or is it 1 or thew other? |
| [12:13:01] | justinh: | depends on how you set up your audio config outside of mythtv |
| [12:13:43] | rileyp: | I have hdmi to tv and have been using tv volume for ease of use fro my wifey and son |
| [12:14:06] | rileyp: | though we have 5.1 system and I would like to utilize ocassionally |
| [12:14:24] | rileyp: | but must connect via 1/4 inch plugs as its only a cheapy |
| [12:15:01] | justinh: | ugh. analogue surround. no idea how to go on with that |
| [12:15:20] | rileyp: | I remember setting up hdmi as the default in asound.rc else I got no sound in firefox/youtube etc |
| [12:16:30] | rileyp: | would you buy a sanyo plv-z700 or is the organic lcd to stay away from |
| [12:17:07] | rileyp: | that was out of the park huh? |
| [12:17:41] | justinh: | for advice on what TV gear to buy, ask elsewhere. read reviews. see stuff in person. yada yada |
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| [12:23:16] | rileyp: | so you no comment on organic vs inorganic lcd screens... |
| [12:23:24] | rileyp: | yoda says |
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| [13:25:39] | dewman: | justinh, you know of a quick way to delete a series of shows? IE if my wife has setup days of our lives and she has not watched any, I want to go in and do a mass delete, rather then selecting each show one by one, I want to delete all 60 episodes at once. |
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| [13:27:33] | justinh: | easy peasy |
| [13:27:37] | justinh: | add a group to a playlist |
| [13:27:57] | justinh: | go to the menu again, select playlist options, then select delete |
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| [13:28:24] | dewman: | ahhhh..... |
| [13:28:30] | dewman: | ok that makes sense.... |
| [13:28:39] | justinh: | didn't realise that was a real show. thought it was just some lame made up thing for a stupid 'Friends' character to be in |
| [13:30:08] | justinh: | reminds me.. I need to delete all the Spooks episodes I'm not going to watch. i.e. all of them |
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| [14:06:17] | wagnerrp: | i just dont understand our users some days |
| [14:08:00] | wagnerrp: | 'i just found this good sigma based media player, but its from a linux friendly company. i think that means theyll break NDA and release drivers to the linux community.' |
| [14:08:32] | sid3windr: | lol? :p |
| [14:09:10] | wagnerrp: | the Sigma chips are a series of embedded processors with hardware video decompressors |
| [14:09:24] | wagnerrp: | frequently used in these tiny media players |
| [14:09:52] | wagnerrp: | so every time someone releases one, its someone starts a thread on the mailing list 'hey, this would make a perfect frontend' |
| [14:10:05] | wagnerrp: | no... youre limited to UPNP and you cannot run linux or mythfrotnend on it |
| [14:10:15] | wagnerrp: | 'but its produced by a linux friendly company' |
| [14:10:33] | wagnerrp: | no... that doesnt mean jack if there are no drivers for linux |
| [14:10:44] | at0m: | does mythtv support my mg350? |
| [14:10:46] | ** at0m ducks ** | |
| [14:11:23] | wagnerrp: | is that a machine gun? or some british car? |
| [14:11:43] | at0m: | network media player – sigma :o |
| [14:12:08] | wagnerrp: | oh, i think it just might work with that one |
| [14:12:17] | at0m: | yea it streams the .mpg's fine |
| [14:12:58] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [14:13:25] | at0m: | using samba to access the recordings... too bad there's no proper timecode in the recordings, so can't search/FFW/Rewind |
| [14:13:59] | wagnerrp: | thats great, but my point is its not a frontend |
| [14:14:07] | at0m: | of course not |
| [14:14:16] | at0m: | just a net client |
| [14:14:18] | wagnerrp: | which is what these people are hoping for |
| [14:14:26] | at0m: | ehehe |
| [14:14:39] | wagnerrp: | they want to run linux on it, and run mythfrontend |
| [14:14:40] | at0m: | try compiling mythfrontend for 8MB flash /o |
| [14:15:35] | sid3windr: | nfsmount? :P |
| [14:15:49] | at0m: | yea it does nfs, too |
| [14:15:51] | wagnerrp: | oh, but this one has 512MB of memory and 256MB of flash |
| [14:15:58] | wagnerrp: | thats enough for mythtv, right? |
| [14:16:13] | at0m: | and from the backend, it shares its internal disk over ftp |
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| [14:17:44] | at0m: | i'd also add my netgear eva700 to the wiki, but both only have partial support for playing recordings |
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| [14:18:01] | at0m: | ie. no searching |
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| [14:21:02] | Baylink1: | Have a very odd failure mode that kicked in last night on .23.1: |
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| [14:21:45] | Baylink1: | I was in mysql trying to look at a recorded row for our "recommendations" conversation, and got "this table is marked as crashed". |
| [14:22:09] | wagnerrp: | recommendations? |
| [14:22:27] | Baylink1: | Contemporaneously with that, the BE has stopped adding rows to recorded when it in fact records (we have the media, but not the metadata), and if we add rows manually to recorded, the FE doesn't show them. |
| [14:22:50] | Baylink1: | That's actually 2 different problems, I realize, but they seem related. Anyone ever seen anything like this? |
| [14:22:58] | sid3windr: | did you repair the table? :p |
| [14:23:09] | wagnerrp: | when you add new rows, you must issue a refresh to the frontend |
| [14:23:12] | Baylink1: | I did a mysqlcheck -r as recommended by the website, yes. |
| [14:23:23] | Baylink1: | Or restart it. Ok. |
| [14:23:31] | wagnerrp: | or failing that, drop out of 'watch recordings' long enough for the frontend to flush its cache, and re-enter |
| [14:23:33] | Baylink1: | That explains the easy half. Any thoughts on the hard half? |
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| [14:24:40] | wagnerrp: | crashed tables can often result from improperly terminated mysql servers, or filled partitions |
| [14:25:04] | Baylink1: | mysql's on root; 38% full. |
| [14:25:09] | wagnerrp: | unless mythtv is triggering some bug in mysql to cause it to crash, this isnt a mythtv problem |
| [14:25:20] | Baylink1: | Wait; I'm told there's a syntax error in the logs. Lemme get it. |
| [14:26:45] | Baylink1: | Ok, nvm. I *still* have tables marked as crashed this morning, even after the mysqlchk -r. I wasn't all that awake last night. Lemme dig into this, and I'll get back if I still can't figure it out. Thanks, folks. |
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| [14:30:47] | Baylink1: | Ok; I got this: we have an older ivtv that crashed on VBI, and it fell over, and took the DB with it. |
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| [14:31:12] | Baylink1: | Since we're on the newest SUSE 11.3 kernel, I'm not sure *why* we have an older IVTV, but at least I got something to shoot at. |
| [14:31:30] | justinh: | ,restore the backup? |
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| [14:34:07] | Baylink1: | Nah; I just did a mysqlcheck. Pam's really good at stirring 'recorded'; she can glue in the 2 shows that didn't get saved. Now to try to find out how to upgrade my IVTV driver. |
| [14:34:56] | justinh: | isn't that all in the kernel now anyway? |
| [14:35:07] | Baylink1: | It is, which is why I don't know how to upgrade it. |
| [14:35:11] | justinh: | so newer ivtv == newer kernel |
| [14:35:24] | Baylink1: | there's a log message avout VBI extraction crashing the machine on a -250 on this driver rev |
| [14:35:34] | Baylink1: | "Since we're on the newest SUSE 11.3 kernel, I'm not sure *why* we have an older IVTV, but at least I got something to shoot at." |
| [14:35:50] | justinh: | maybe you need to build your own then :) |
| [14:36:03] | Baylink1: | Module, maybe; sure. |
| [14:36:17] | Baylink1: | I'm on 2.6.34; it doesn't *get* much newer than that. |
| [14:36:44] | Baylink1: | My ivtvctl is 0.10.5 |
| [14:36:53] | Baylink1: | Isn't 1.0 in the kernel mainline yet? |
| [14:37:14] | justinh: | dunno. haven't used ivtv for years |
| [14:38:26] | wagnerrp: | at 1.3 or 1.4, it merged fully into the kernel |
| [14:38:36] | wagnerrp: | after which, it stopped having independent versions |
| [14:38:41] | skd5aner: | can I get an exception to the cursing rule for 20 seconds? |
| [14:38:43] | wagnerrp: | and only the utilities got versioning |
| [14:39:03] | skd5aner: | because I really need to drop some f-bombs or something |
| [14:39:20] | justinh: | go drop them in #sweary_mary |
| [14:39:28] | skd5aner: | my MBE is hard cashing again, after the PSU swap :( |
| [14:39:44] | Gibby_away is now known as Gibby | |
| [14:40:01] | skd5aner: | looks like I'm stuck spending some cash on a new mobo and CPU now... sigh |
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| [14:41:37] | Baylink1: | And yet, I have the (damn near) very latest kernel, and it has 0.10.5. Confused now. |
| [14:42:31] | Baylink1: | If that's the case, I don't *see* any way for me to do the upgrade which I must now do. Nice. |
| [14:43:25] | justinh: | if I were you & I didn't need VBI.. I'd just go right ahead & disable its capture |
| [14:43:37] | Baylink1: | My sister uses 604CC. |
| [14:44:00] | Baylink1: | We're prone to watch shows where the writers get ahead of the audio editors. |
| [14:44:12] | Baylink1: | Does Andy hang out on IRC? |
| [14:44:26] | Gibby: | nope |
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| [14:44:37] | wagnerrp: | andy walls? |
| [14:44:53] | Baylink1: | Yeah |
| [14:45:12] | Gibby: | damn, i need more coffee, read that as does anybody hang out on IRC |
| [14:45:22] | wagnerrp: | !seen awalls |
| [14:45:22] | MythLogBot: | awalls was last seen 1 hour 11 minutes 42 seconds ago |
| [14:45:46] | Baylink1: | Aha. |
| [14:46:04] | Baylink1: | Tnx |
| [14:46:17] | ** Baylink1 faxes Gibby some more coffee. Cold press. ** | |
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| [15:27:22] | rileyp: | Am i correct in saying you cannot change from a composite input to a dvb input on the same tuner card in live tv |
| [15:27:38] | wagnerrp: | sure you can |
| [15:28:00] | rileyp: | oh ok s |
| [15:28:02] | wagnerrp: | just put them in the same input group |
| [15:28:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will have to terminate the one recording, and release the card, before you can open it back up for analog |
| [15:28:45] | wagnerrp: | ... of course your digital tuner is almost certainly a framegrabber, and as such should not be used for analog |
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| [15:30:26] | rileyp: | so if you had a tuner card with dvb and composite you should be able to go from live FTA dvb tv to the composite input on the same card and watch foxtel |
| [15:30:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [15:33:25] | rileyp: | ok thanks |
| [15:34:23] | justinh: | <headdesk> |
| [15:34:35] | justinh: | that's what using a framegrabber feels like |
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| [15:42:14] | rileyp: | min spec for vdpau is a 8200 ? |
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| [15:43:07] | wagnerrp: | min spec for VDPAU is anything newer than the G80 chip |
| [15:43:32] | wagnerrp: | an 8200 supports VDPAU, but an 8800GTX or 8800GTS does not |
| [15:44:08] | rileyp: | anything radeon still a nightmare? |
| [15:44:25] | wagnerrp: | less so than before, but generally best to avoid |
| [15:45:01] | sid3windr: | radeon does viddy pow? |
| [15:45:47] | rileyp: | i meant ati but you know sorry I have 3450 ati card floating round and its the only other pcie card I have |
| [15:46:01] | wagnerrp: | no, radeon does VAAPI... poorly... |
| [15:46:39] | rileyp: | ok so I but a nother nvidia card |
| [15:46:45] | rileyp: | * buy |
| [15:48:10] | rileyp: | intels gma stuff is still no good ? |
| [15:48:26] | wagnerrp: | decent enough for video |
| [15:48:33] | justinh: | ROFLMAO. Been looking for a HDD duplicator on a short lead time.. found one in THE most unlikely of places. PC World Business http://www.pcwb.co.uk/catalogue/item/INTSSD12 |
| [15:48:37] | wagnerrp: | and i think the 4500 stuff have enough opengl performance for our needs |
| [15:49:47] | justinh: | intel GMA sucks |
| [15:49:52] | justinh: | I speak from experience |
| [15:50:12] | justinh: | and no, there's barely enough performance for even mythtv |
| [15:50:47] | justinh: | the menu transitions are SLOW or jerky – usually |
| [15:51:34] | justinh: | still not sure how much gl is actually done on the GPU itself |
| [15:51:42] | justinh: | not much, I suspect |
| [15:51:55] | rileyp: | so a gt210 would be ok? |
| [15:52:28] | rileyp: | or a 8400gs? |
| [15:52:45] | rileyp: | which is cheapest nvid card I can find |
| [15:53:09] | rileyp: | $32 skippy dollars |
| [15:53:50] | skd5aner: | got for a gt220 |
| [15:53:57] | skd5aner: | s/got/go |
| [15:54:06] | skd5aner: | can do everything, is is relatively cheap |
| [15:54:20] | rileyp: | so 512 mb is fine |
| [15:54:49] | wagnerrp: | justinh: even the newer stuff? |
| [15:55:15] | justinh: | my laptop has newer hardware than my frontend, and it still sucks |
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| [15:55:20] | rileyp: | a 220 is double the price of 8400gs |
| [15:55:24] | justinh: | GMA650 on the laptop I think |
| [15:56:17] | rileyp: | gma950 on my BE and it can play sd tv nothing more though |
| [15:56:26] | justinh: | any screen with alphapulse.. erm... forget about it |
| [15:56:55] | justinh: | never gonna buy a laptop with intel video again |
| [15:57:11] | justinh: | it sucks at 2d. sucks even more for 3d |
| [15:57:32] | sid3windr: | not if you run fedora or meego ;> |
| [15:57:52] | justinh: | can't even run GTA Vice City on my windows laptop at anything > 800x600 |
| [15:58:11] | sid3windr: | vc <3 |
| [15:58:31] | skd5aner: | so – thinking this replacement board for my MBE – any comments? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128444 |
| [15:58:34] | justinh: | I got myself that Portal effort. oh boy |
| [15:58:41] | justinh: | that was just too taxing for it |
| [15:59:51] | justinh: | sid3windr: I bought san andreas for my xbox. took it back. woeful |
| [16:00:07] | justinh: | well I say took it back.. sold it to the 2nd user game shop |
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| [16:00:23] | justinh: | haven't bought a game since then actually |
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| [16:01:01] | sid3windr: | SA wasn't all that good, GTA4 was even worse |
| [16:01:04] | sid3windr: | VC is the best GTA ever |
| [16:01:12] | sid3windr: | followed by GTA2 :] |
| [16:01:34] | justinh: | SA bored me to tears with the level where you're supposed to make the car jump |
| [16:02:01] | justinh: | after like the 10th attempt trying it I ejected the disk, put it in the case & took it to the shop next day |
| [16:02:24] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [16:02:26] | rileyp: | integrated ATI Radeon HD 4250 GPU why buy a board with ati if you really want nvidia |
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| [16:12:22] | skd5aner: | going with this cpu for the MBE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871 |
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| [16:46:12] | skd5aner: | Do you think I'd need to reinstall ubuntu if I replace a mobo and cpu? |
| [16:46:18] | skd5aner: | with a non-like model? |
| [16:46:27] | skd5aner: | or can I simply move the OS drive over without an issue? |
| [16:46:43] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to move the drive over |
| [16:47:06] | skd5aner: | cool, I'm sure there might be some small gotchas |
| [16:47:17] | skd5aner: | I know I'll have to change my DHCP server since the MAC address will change |
| [16:49:55] | skd5aner: | woot... order placed |
| [16:50:11] | [R]: | infact, this crazy old guy at my work told me he was going to do the same thing |
| [16:50:13] | [R]: | and was all freaked out |
| [16:50:15] | skd5aner: | would have rather of spent that $300 elsewhere... but hey, at least I'll have a nice new quad core server |
| [16:50:20] | [R]: | and i told him to calm down... its linux |
| [16:52:26] | wagnerrp: | [R]: thats not entirely true |
| [16:52:53] | wagnerrp: | used to be you had to load specific drivers, have different ALSA and xorg/xfree86 configs |
| [16:53:11] | [R]: | key word being used |
| [16:53:22] | wagnerrp: | but modern distros tend to have the driver modules available on demand, and autoconfigure audio and video |
| [16:53:49] | wagnerrp: | my point is its not 'calm down... its linux', but rather 'calm down... its linux from the past year or two' |
| [16:54:02] | [R]: | lol |
| [16:54:38] | wagnerrp: | that ability is a rather new occurance |
| [16:54:57] | wagnerrp: | you could do it previously, but you would generally end up with a half functional system |
| [16:55:06] | wagnerrp: | and a lot of configuration needed to get everything working again |
| [16:56:05] | [R]: | i awlays jsut reinstalled |
| [16:56:45] | wagnerrp: | same here |
| [16:57:02] | wagnerrp: | well... used to anyway |
| [16:57:25] | wagnerrp: | all my stuff now runs in jails (fancy chroots) |
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| [16:57:44] | wagnerrp: | theyre a full system image, so i can carry them from install to install, and update them at my leisure |
| [16:57:51] | wagnerrp: | and all my frontends run off a single shared image |
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| [17:03:21] | Beirdo: | you are one crazy dude :) |
| [17:04:28] | iamlindoro: | heh, I wonder how this thread has escaped me since 2007: http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.p . . . 6478a65e834b |
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| [17:12:42] | wagnerrp: | why is it so long... |
| [17:13:04] | [R]: | that's... what she said? |
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| [17:20:09] | Beirdo: | 3pm-4pm... I am recording 4 episodes of Scrubs |
| [17:20:16] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [17:20:25] | Beirdo: | then 2 of Bones |
| [17:22:17] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: at least the luser picked an apt name :) |
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| [17:25:39] | skd5aner: | me too |
| [17:25:45] | skd5aner: | oops |
| [17:26:05] | Beirdo: | you must be confused.. this isn't AOL :) |
| [17:27:15] | skd5aner: | forgot I was scrolled up in the window, so I was responding to a comment like 30 minutes old |
| [17:28:07] | Beirdo: | hehe, I do that sometimes |
| [17:28:21] | Beirdo: | "hey, where's my response"... ooops |
| [17:29:26] | skd5aner: | !seen sphery |
| [17:29:26] | MythLogBot: | sphery is here and has been idle for 18 hours 3 minutes |
| [17:30:12] | eNeRGi: | k! |
| [17:30:32] | eNeRGi: | hmm |
| [17:30:44] | eNeRGi: | wrong chan :-( |
| [17:34:44] | skd5aner: | Just stumbled on this – didn't realize it was out there... helpful, but a bit out of date I think – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/ExternalLibraries |
| [17:35:41] | skd5aner: | I know many of those are newer than what's listed |
| [17:38:27] | skd5aner: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/milestone/0.24 – heh, "due in 18 hours" ;) |
| [17:42:48] | Beirdo: | hehe "not happening" |
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| [18:32:41] | ikke-t: | hi, question of terminology: |
| [18:32:47] | ikke-t: | what is BEHINDTIME? |
| [18:33:08] | ikke-t: | is it like lacking behind or some time already watched? |
| [18:33:32] | ikke-t: | %PLAYEDTIME% of %TOTALTIME% |
| [18:33:34] | ikke-t: | %(|REMAININGTIME| remaining)%%(|BEHINDTIME| behind)% |
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| [18:35:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | probably that you are X minutes behind realtime |
| [18:35:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | ie, you came in 5 minutes late and pause for 10 when you grabbed a coffee, so you're 15 minutes %BEHINDTIME% |
| [18:36:52] | ikke-t: | that would make sense |
| [18:37:29] | ikke-t: | it wouldn't make sense to be the same as PLAYEDTIME i assume |
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| [18:42:56] | high-rez: | Jerkface!!!! |
| [18:43:32] | wagnerrp: | there is no way to actually delete an account on the wiki is there? |
| [18:44:10] | wagnerrp: | im just looking at all these thousands of accounts created years ago with not a single contribution |
| [18:44:57] | wagnerrp: | no sense locking down a username someone may otherwise want to use |
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| [18:45:15] | high-rez: | Is root available? |
| [18:45:19] | high-rez: | I want that user name. |
| [18:45:27] | high-rez: | I bet root never contributed anything. |
| [18:46:17] | [R]: | wagnerrp: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ# . . . _of_users.3F |
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| [18:47:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats what i thought |
| [18:48:17] | wagnerrp: | and 'Root' is not an allowed username |
| [18:48:23] | wagnerrp: | mediawiki just wont let you do it |
| [18:48:53] | ikke-t: | suggestion for translations... how about converting them to "-location none" |
| [18:49:37] | ikke-t: | there is always lot of location line number changes in svn diff, i don't like it... |
| [18:49:40] | remlabm: | im thinking about setting up mythtv wirelessly in my house, i have no option to use wired. i plan on doing HD quality to the front ends. will this work? or am i just asking for to much bandwidth from my router? |
| [18:49:58] | wagnerrp: | what kind of wireless? |
| [18:50:02] | remlabm: | 54g |
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| [18:50:08] | ikke-t: | kenni, are you here..? |
| [18:50:09] | wagnerrp: | not going to happen |
| [18:50:14] | wagnerrp: | !seen kenni |
| [18:50:14] | MythLogBot: | kenni is here and has been idle for 1 day 12 hours 59 minutes 15 seconds |
| [18:50:15] | remlabm: | suggestion? |
| [18:50:20] | wagnerrp: | run wires |
| [18:51:00] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you may be able to get by on 5GHz A and N gear |
| [18:51:17] | wagnerrp: | A and G are only going to support at most one HD frontend, under optimal conditions |
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| [18:51:34] | wagnerrp: | but more than that, mythtv is not designed to be run on unreliable networks |
| [18:51:42] | remlabm: | what about one of these Dlink Xtreme wireless N routers? |
| [18:51:43] | wagnerrp: | and the 2.4GHz band is simply too cluttered to be reliable |
| [18:52:30] | wagnerrp: | even 5GHz N, youre probably still going to suffer occasional dropouts |
| [18:52:49] | wagnerrp: | if you cant run wires, you just arent thinking creatively |
| [18:53:12] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: several months ago, you mentioned something about deleting unused accounts after a couple days from the linuxtv wiki? |
| [18:53:27] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: hey. |
| [18:53:33] | remlabm: | N will support 1 tv though? i may be able to hardwire 2 of the other locations |
| [18:53:48] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I figured it might just help mitigate spam accounts being created with no intent to use them. |
| [18:53:51] | wagnerrp: | A and G will support 1 TV... probably |
| [18:54:01] | devinheitmueller: | Real users create an account because they need to make an edit. |
| [18:54:06] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: i thought you said it was something you actually did |
| [18:54:10] | devinheitmueller: | Nope. |
| [18:54:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, nevermind then |
| [18:54:27] | devinheitmueller: | I actually found out by accident that somebody granted me admin rights. |
| [18:54:51] | wagnerrp: | im finding that mediawiki is not set up to ever delete anything |
| [18:55:04] | devinheitmueller: | Ah. |
| [18:55:06] | remlabm: | wagnerrp: thanx for the help |
| [18:55:12] | wagnerrp: | remlabm: the issue is that mythtv expects to run on a reliable network of sufficient bandwidth |
| [18:55:25] | wagnerrp: | in theory, A and G should have sufficient bandwidth for a single HD stream |
| [18:55:32] | wagnerrp: | but the whole lot of them are not going to be reliable |
| [18:55:41] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not maintain a significant data buffer |
| [18:55:55] | wagnerrp: | so when the connection drops, and it will occasionally, for a few seconds at a time |
| [18:56:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will run out of buffer and stall |
| [18:57:02] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, the 2.4GHz band is very crowded, with microwaves, phones, baby monitors, other peoples' networks |
| [18:57:03] | remlabm: | so i will update my router for the 1 HD then try to wire the others. that should clear up the bandwidth issues |
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| [18:57:15] | wagnerrp: | the 5GHz band is far less so, and you will likely have better results there |
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| [19:04:03] | high-rez: | Uhh if your microwave oven is poluting 2.4ghz? |
| [19:04:23] | high-rez: | You have WAY bigger problems than your wifi not working ;) |
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| [19:04:53] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you have some serious problems over there |
| [19:05:22] | wagnerrp: | ALL microwaves pollute the 2.4GHz band |
| [19:05:38] | wagnerrp: | because its not worth the expense of the shielding to get those last couple watts of emissions |
| [19:06:05] | wagnerrp: | unless of course youre talking about industrial units... and then they pollute the 800MHz band |
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| [20:16:41] | wagnerrp: | apparently some thieves walked up to an unattended truck, with the keys, and 11k hard drives |
| [20:16:45] | wagnerrp: | and... drove off with it |
| [20:16:57] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Uhm, I'm pretty sure a microwave oven would not get FCC certification (lok inside of it they all have FCC certs) if it radiated more than 1 watt. That's the rule for ISM. |
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| [20:17:42] | high-rez: | Iirc, 1 watt radiated, not more than 1 eirp directional |
| [20:20:13] | wagnerrp: | well 802.11 max EIRP is 1 watt as well |
| [20:20:47] | wagnerrp: | and considering most APs are ~30mW broadcast with a 3–6dB antenna, thats a lot of background noise |
| [20:21:48] | high-rez: | Yeah. Either way, a very long time ago I actually had to do some analysis on this. We measured background noise from all sorts of generators and attention through different stuffs – and the cages in most microwave ovens did a very good job |
| [20:22:36] | high-rez: | None the less, I still don't trust my microwave oven. I start it, walk out of the room, and return when it's done. ;) Perhaps if I had the gear to test it I wouldn't be so paranoid. |
| [20:23:00] | [R]: | stopp it! |
| [20:23:02] | [R]: | i deal with rf at work |
| [20:23:04] | [R]: | it makes my head hurt |
| [20:23:07] | [R]: | (haha... get it?) |
| [20:23:17] | high-rez: | I think |
| [20:23:19] | high-rez: | What do you do dude ? |
| [20:23:23] | [R]: | work with radios |
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| [20:24:18] | high-rez: | The buildings I work in are specifically designed as faraday cages to prevent our RF from leaking out :) |
| [20:24:39] | kormoc: | high-rez, $40 from amazon for Microwave Leak Detectors |
| [20:25:06] | [R]: | but then all the RF bounces around |
| [20:25:07] | high-rez: | Its pretty crazy how well they work. As soon as I'm out the front door of this place the RF drops. |
| [20:25:25] | high-rez: | R: Exactly. I'm not saying its healthy. :) |
| [20:25:29] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: what could there be in a microwave to not trust? |
| [20:25:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, if the cage leaks... |
| [20:25:51] | wagnerrp: | so what if the cage leaks |
| [20:26:09] | kormoc: | CANCER! |
| [20:26:21] | wagnerrp: | how would a microwave cause cancer? |
| [20:26:23] | ** kormoc gets a tin foil hat but then remembers what microwaves to do metal and freaks out more! ** | |
| [20:26:36] | [R]: | this guy keeps telling me that HF isn't going to hurt me |
| [20:26:39] | [R]: | because of it's wavelength |
| [20:26:42] | [R]: | and i'm too short |
| [20:26:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's radiation! |
| [20:26:50] | Digdilem: | lol |
| [20:26:51] | kormoc: | and radiation is bad! |
| [20:26:53] | wagnerrp: | i wont say it wont hurt you |
| [20:27:01] | wagnerrp: | it /can/ cook you if the power levels are high enough |
| [20:27:14] | [R]: | we have this 1000 watt amiplifier |
| [20:27:17] | Shadow__X: | you get radiated just by walking outside |
| [20:27:22] | [R]: | is that high enough? |
| [20:27:35] | wagnerrp: | and even a few degrees can start denaturing proteans and disrupt cell function |
| [20:27:49] | high-rez: | I guess it depends how much leaks? 1.2kw is quite a bit of power. I probably wouldn't stand in front of a magnetronc? |
| [20:27:49] | wagnerrp: | but its entirely reversible |
| [20:28:03] | high-rez: | i |
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| [20:29:54] | wagnerrp: | think of it this way... your body is mostly water, and lets say you stick a hand in the microwave |
| [20:30:03] | wagnerrp: | a hand and some of your arm might be... 2kg? |
| [20:30:23] | wagnerrp: | so thats 8kJ per degree C |
| [20:30:27] | high-rez: | I don't get it, are you saying that it would be ok if your microwave oven had a broken faraday cage? I'm not sure I could personally quantify the risks, but I don't think I would take the chance. |
| [20:30:32] | wagnerrp: | 6–8 seconds of the full output of the oven |
| [20:31:00] | wagnerrp: | youre going to feel your hand warming up, and remove it before you get to the point any damage occurs |
| [20:31:05] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, don't bring that black magic some call science into it! You're just stepping on my religious beliefs that things are evil if I don't understand them! |
| [20:31:08] | [R]: | why would i put it in the microwave to begin with!? |
| [20:31:14] | [R]: | and doesnt hte microwave not turn on if the door is open? |
| [20:31:23] | kormoc: | [R], if you bypass it! |
| [20:31:31] | bjd: | have you never bypassed it?! |
| [20:31:32] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:31:33] | kormoc: | say you wanted to cook a turkey and it wouldn't fit |
| [20:31:42] | [R]: | kormoc: who puts a turkey in the microwave!? |
| [20:31:44] | Shadow__X: | not knowing what happens is clearly healthier! |
| [20:31:49] | kormoc: | so you bypass the safeties and shove it half it the microwave |
| [20:31:52] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: thats what the pot of boiling oil is for |
| [20:31:56] | kormoc: | give it a few hours and then flip it around |
| [20:32:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that's for when the family it around |
| [20:32:31] | kormoc: | gotta burn a bunch of folks to be worth it |
| [20:33:43] | kormoc: | to be fair |
| [20:33:58] | kormoc: | I wish more folks irradiated their junk via doing stupid things |
| [20:34:08] | kormoc: | we could use less dumb people breeding |
| [20:34:28] | [R]: | the guys at work keep telling me "oh, you dindt want to have kids anyway, did you?" |
| [20:34:35] | ** Shadow__X starts making kormoc for health services posters ** | |
| [20:34:47] | wagnerrp: | the only reason high power transmitters make you sterile is because the little boys dont like the heat |
| [20:34:52] | wagnerrp: | thats why they hang outside the body |
| [20:35:17] | high-rez: | They don't like the cold either. The system is incredibly good for regulating temperature :) |
| [20:35:21] | wagnerrp: | a nice blast from a radar dish only knocks em out for a few days though, then youre free to procreate |
| [20:35:43] | wagnerrp: | my uncle used to work with people who did that for a good weekend |
| [20:35:59] | high-rez: | Jesus |
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| [20:36:26] | high-rez: | I guess jumping in front of a cop running radar could be good birth control eh? |
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| [20:36:44] | bjd: | i'm trying to think wtf your uncle did for a job now |
| [20:36:47] | high-rez: | 'so could you please clock my uhhh' |
| [20:37:08] | wagnerrp: | bjd: radar operator in the military |
| [20:37:15] | bjd: | ah |
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| [20:37:58] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: didnt they do that in supertroopers? |
| [20:38:30] | high-rez: | The only thing I can remember from that movie is the syrup eating contest? And teh german guy in the porsche. |
| [20:39:15] | kormoc: | hrm |
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| [20:39:47] | kormoc: | I wonder if one could do a strong enough signal in a city to slow down births |
| [20:40:01] | kormoc: | just turn it on Fridays and Saturdays |
| [20:40:07] | high-rez: | kormoc: Thats what the combine are doing Half Life 2! |
| [20:40:08] | kormoc: | instant 2/7ths less kids |
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| [20:40:20] | high-rez: | More like 6/7 |
| [20:40:39] | stevieman: | for VDPAU does it make a difference if the card has 1 GB or 512 MB? |
| [20:40:44] | [R]: | stevieman: no |
| [20:40:54] | kormoc: | high-rez, works for me (tm)(r) |
| [20:41:10] | stevieman: | [R]: Thanks |
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| [20:42:50] | high-rez: | kormoc: I think such a signal might burn our eyes though and make us blind. And thus we may not be able to have kids, but we'd never know what the person looks like whom were not making kids with |
| [20:43:35] | [R]: | high-rez: then you could be doing it with an ugly chick and you woud'lnt know |
| [20:43:38] | [R]: | high-rez: horrible though |
| [20:43:47] | high-rez: | Indeed |
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| [20:44:06] | high-rez: | Unless you're the ugly person, then it could work out to your advantage but you'd never know? |
| [20:44:14] | high-rez: | ;) |
| [20:44:27] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:44:44] | [R]: | this website says seinfeld is the #2 racist show of all tiem |
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| [20:44:59] | high-rez: | What's #1 ? |
| [20:45:17] | kormoc: | high-rez, meh... less kids > less sight :P |
| [20:45:24] | [R]: | fox news |
| [20:45:42] | high-rez: | I think The Honeymooners was the #1 wife beating shows of all time. |
| [20:45:51] | [R]: | i thought all in the family was gonna be up there |
| [20:45:56] | [R]: | how is seinfeld more racist than all in the family |
| [20:46:08] | [R]: | this list is just retarded |
| [20:46:11] | [R]: | it says looney tunes is #3 |
| [20:46:28] | high-rez: | Those old looney toons had some crazy stuff in em. |
| [20:46:57] | high-rez: | The fox who was trying to shag the chick all the time ? Infact, there was some racial induendo in that if yout hink about it. |
| [20:47:29] | [R]: | haha, power rangers |
| [20:47:30] | high-rez: | Wow I can't spell at all |
| [20:48:36] | [R]: | whoever made this list is just stupid |
| [20:49:08] | kormoc: | [R], welcome to the internets |
| [20:49:15] | [R]: | all in the family is NO WHERE to be found |
| [20:49:27] | high-rez: | R: I just read the looney toons wikipedia article. It sort of confirms that it was actually pretty racist – but was edited in the 70's to remove some of that stuff... |
| [20:49:28] | kormoc: | it was all in jest! |
| [20:50:12] | [R]: | http://best.complex.com/lists/the-50-most-rac . . . of-all-time/ |
| [20:50:53] | high-rez: | Family guy is on that list? |
| [20:51:08] | high-rez: | That's stupid. There's nothing insensitive about the faimly guy! |
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| [20:57:32] | ** awalls always increases his R^2 after starting the microwave oven ** | |
| [20:57:36] | high-rez: | R: I just read some of the top 50 – I'm pretty sure the list is tongue in cheek? Cause it says some pretty crazy stuff. |
| [20:58:05] | [R]: | but they didnt even try! |
| [20:58:12] | ** awalls however keeps his laptop with built-in wifi on his lap ** | |
| [20:59:37] | Criggie: | [R]: I've not heard of most of those shows. Of the first ten I have heard of three |
| [21:00:02] | high-rez: | Is That's So Raven on the list ? |
| [21:00:10] | high-rez: | Cause I find that show offensive and racist. |
| [21:00:24] | [R]: | AHAH |
| [21:00:27] | [R]: | ii dindt see it |
| [21:00:33] | high-rez: | This whole site is all about the clicks. 50 clicks!!! Could have been 3 pages. |
| [21:01:00] | Criggie: | high-rez: agreed. Page impressions sell adverts. |
| [21:02:10] | [R]: | lol |
| [21:02:14] | [R]: | there were ads? |
| [21:02:32] | high-rez: | Not if you're using ABP :) |
| [21:02:40] | Criggie: | [R]: probably. |
| [21:02:42] | bjd: | i didn't notice any? |
| [21:02:53] | Criggie: | yeah we're a bit spoilt. |
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| [21:04:41] | high-rez: | Ok this site /isn't/ tongue in cheek – its just super misguided. |
| [21:05:30] | [R]: | lol |
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| [21:07:11] | high-rez: | the alf and martin lawerence comments have been clearly racist themselves (others too I'm sure) |
| [21:07:12] | high-rez: | Wth? |
| [21:09:07] | high-rez: | Alright, closing that window. Site is garbage, nothing to see move on? |
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| [21:12:15] | jan2600: | awalls: remember my dts/pts issue from yesterday ? I've commented out the line in mythtv/libs/libavformat/utils.c where dts and pts gets set to AV_NOPTS_VALUE and poof.. smooth playback! |
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| [21:15:54] | skd5aner: | jan2600: did you submit a bug report? |
| [21:18:43] | jan2600: | sdk5aner: Not yet. Should I submit this to mythtv or to ffmpeg ? |
| [21:20:43] | iamlindoro: | it's not myth code, so don't submit it to us |
| [21:21:05] | iamlindoro: | on the other hand, that is unlikely to be an acceptable patch to ffmpeg |
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| [21:23:58] | skd5aner: | jan2600: I'd defer to whatever iamlindoro recommends because he's likely to be the one who triages the ticket when it's submitted |
| [21:25:08] | awalls: | jan2600: ignoring an error is a legitimate course of action, but iamlindoro is likely right in that such a patch will not be accepted. |
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| [21:25:41] | skd5aner: | sounds like it's more than an error... |
| [21:25:46] | jan2600: | true... I've found already a few issue reports related "invalid dts/pts combination" and most were dismissed as 'mpeg file doesn't follow spec' |
| [21:26:15] | awalls: | You might want to send your work around and a sample of the broken TS to the ffmpeg guys. Maybe they can help with analysis. |
| [21:26:29] | awalls: | Of course they'll tell you the file is broken. :) |
| [21:27:19] | jan2600: | My tv provider definitely did something. This is only happening a few channels and since tuesday. |
| [21:27:28] | jan2600: | awalls: yep :) |
| [21:28:33] | jan2600: | I'll submit it to ffmpeg (with a small part of a recording) and we'll see what happens.. |
| [21:29:07] | awalls: | I'm not sure the ffmpeg guys should be dismissing "dts/pts combination" if ignoring the non-compliance provides for better playback. |
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| [21:31:58] | ** awalls resumes looking for a freely available soft-uart linux driver ** | |
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| [22:24:16] | mulambo: | what do I need to use cam module with mythtv? |
| [22:24:54] | [R]: | need? |
| [22:25:15] | mulambo: | some software perhaps |
| [22:25:34] | [R]: | software? |
| [22:25:59] | [R]: | mulambo: i think its covered in the wiki |
| [22:26:11] | mulambo: | i have cam module. TV paycard, dvb-s card, dvb-s is working fine |
| [22:26:25] | mulambo: | only free channels |
| [22:26:39] | [R]: | like i said... its on the wiki |
| [22:26:42] | mulambo: | OK I will look there |
| [22:26:59] | kormoc: | mulambo, sky? |
| [22:27:34] | mulambo: | kormoc, nope Skylink – Cryptoworks |
| [22:28:51] | iamlindoro: | mulambo, Generally speaking, CAMs are supported by the API/OS, not Myth |
| [22:29:15] | iamlindoro: | so you need a DVB-S card with an integrated CAM module (not USB) that is supported by linux/v4l-dvb and a cam module that they also support |
| [22:29:58] | iamlindoro: | As seen here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_Con . . . cess_Modules |
| [22:30:29] | iamlindoro: | We do have interface code for CAMs, but that's really just limited to asking the v4l API to do the work for us |
| [22:33:22] | mulambo: | it doesn't look that easy as I thought :) making card working is an piece of cake |
| [22:33:56] | mulambo: | mean dvb card |
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| [22:54:27] | Crankygeek: | Hi, I just purchased a Hauppauge HD-PVR 1212. I have a Directv system, are there any good walkthroughs for setting up a MythTV setup? also, is there any certain build I should be using for a Linux noob? I am currently running Ubuntu 10.4 LTS right now, but not sure if there is a better preconfigured build out there? |
| [22:55:48] | [R]: | Crankygeek: just follow the wiki |
| [22:55:55] | [R]: | Crankygeek: the mythbuntu packages work just fine |
| [22:56:28] | Crankygeek: | So it comes pre-configured for the HD-PVR drivers already? |
| [22:57:01] | [R]: | theuy are part of the kernel |
| [22:57:06] | tgm4883: | plug in, set up a udev rule, set up in mythtv-setup, watch tv |
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