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Thursday, September 30th, 2010, 00:14 UTC

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wagnerrp:

kormoc_afk: i know how to do it, and ive even got the code half written

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wagnerrp:

but there is an issue with the new library i want to transition to

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wagnerrp:

when you are inserting a new entry, it does not return the row id

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Azelphur:

did anyone ever make a normal PC style mythtv frontend?

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Azelphur:

oriented towards a desktop PC with a keyboard and a mouse, rather than a 10 ft interface with a TV remote

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Beirdo:

there is no difference

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm goin home

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wagnerrp:

beirdo, hang on'

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wagnerrp:

meh.. left already

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ive got two separate database classes set up to abstract the use changes the two libraries have

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wagnerrp:

the problem is just the one explained when creating new entries in auto-increment tables

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kormoc:

that sounds messy :(

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mtrax:

does anyone know would there be any issues if I changed the Channel-Name using Mythweb ie will that mess up anything?

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wagnerrp:

really, the only major change is how it handles string substitution

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wagnerrp:

namely, one uses %s, while the other uses ?

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mtrax:

Channel callsign or name which do I need to change?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, seems silly to cause that much trouble over

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gpmidi_wrk:

I'm having problems with "Watch TV" on my HD-PVR with Mythbuntu: Backend log: http://pastebin.com/Ecp3iRtA

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: the issue is that the existing database library simply doesnt exist in 2.7 or 3.x

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gpmidi_wrk:

Note: For those with good memories, I've switched to Mythbuntu since I last was in here with HD-PVR issues.

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wagnerrp:

and there are no other common python mysql libraries

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wagnerrp:

theres this one i want to use (oursql)

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wagnerrp:

there is one implemented in pure python, accessing the database socket directly

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kormoc:

yeah, just annoying

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wagnerrp:

there is one that wraps the 'mysql' program

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kormoc:

ugh

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wagnerrp:

but none of them are carried in most package managers

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wagnerrp:

so either i support at least one commonly shipped library

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wagnerrp:

or i include my own database library

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wagnerrp:

i dont really want to do either

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mtrax:

ie is the channel-name or call-sign used as an index anywhere

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wagnerrp:

add into that the fact that we may not even use the database in the future

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wagnerrp:

and... i just dont really have any motivation to fix it

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kormoc:

mtrax, channel name is not, call-sign are used to 'stack' channels together

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mtrax:

ok so manually changing channel name shouldn't be a drama

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tgm4883:

gpmidi_wrk, what is your other tuner?

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gpmidi_wrk:

both are hd-pvrs

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kormoc:

mtrax, they're both user-editable fields

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tgm4883:

gpmidi_wrk, really?

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gpmidi_wrk:

yes

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tgm4883:

2010-09–23 22:03:03.595 Channel(/dev/video1) Error: SetInputAndFormat(2, ATSC)

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tgm4883:

while setting input (v4l v2)

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tgm4883:

eno: Resource temporarily unavailable (11)

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tgm4883:

2010-09–23 22:03:03.635 Channel(/dev/video1): SetInputAndFormat() failed

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tgm4883:

I didn't think an HDPVR care about ATSC

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kormoc:

They don't/can't

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tgm4883:

kormoc, exactly, wouldn't that log excert indicate another tuner?

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tgm4883:

or rather an incorrect config

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kormoc:

it would indicate a incorrectly configured tuner, yes

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gpmidi_wrk:

from lsusb:

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gpmidi_wrk:

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 2040:4902 Hauppauge

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gpmidi_wrk:

Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2040:4902 Hauppauge

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kormoc:

gpmidi_wrk, you need to configure it as a HDPVR in mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

not as a DVB/ATSC card

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gpmidi_wrk:

both should be, let me double check

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tgm4883:

hmm, thats a long log. Might have been incorrectly configured before and fixed now. That was from a few days ago

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tgm4883:

gpmidi_wrk, do you have a sleep command in your channel change script?

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gpmidi_wrk:

tgm4883: using /bin/true atm

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gpmidi_wrk:

currently, /dev/video1 is configured as hdpvr, and I just added a second config for /dev/video0 as hdpvr

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gpmidi_wrk:

New log post-change: http://pastebin.com/DS6f4pMG

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: speaking of the python stuff... any word on getting oursql into the ubuntu package system?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, oursql?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i was talking about it with superml a couple months back

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, i'm not sure what you are referring to

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wagnerrp:

the mysql library we use for the bindings doesnt exist in py2.7 or 3.x

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wagnerrp:

oursql is an alternate library written by some of the python developers

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tgm4883:

ah

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wagnerrp:

but doesnt exist in anyone's package repositories

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tgm4883:

I haven't heard about it, I'd have to ping superm1

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wagnerrp:

no need, just curious

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tgm4883:

no worries, I just pinged him on it

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tgm4883:

I haven't heard about it, so its probably better I find out anyway

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tgm4883:

gpmidi_wrk, you don't also happen to be nscheider are you?

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gpmidi_wrk:

nscheider? I don't think so, is that someone else's irc nick?

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gpmidi_wrk:

I'm also getting "[521951.187799] hdpvr 1–1:1.0: untested firmware version 0x15, the driver might not work" when I rmmod hdpvr/modprobe hdpvr. Is this a problem?

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tgm4883:

no, a forum post I came across with the exact same issue

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tgm4883:

unsolved

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gpmidi_wrk:

tgm4883: ah

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tgm4883:

gpmidi_wrk, nope, i get that too

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gpmidi_wrk:

tgm4883: cool

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tgm4883:

although I have an intermediate sound issue

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gpmidi_wrk:

I'm using spdif (via fiber) for my sound. When I use VLC to directly read /dev/videoN it works fine, including sound

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gpmidi_wrk:

but it stops working the moment I bring the mythbackend into the mix

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tgm4883:

gpmidi_wrk, does scheduled recording work?

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tgm4883:

I found another that says he fixed it

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tgm4883:

"fixed my problem, forgot to set my proto to PAL, didn't think that mattered with the hdpvr, but that's what I get for thinking"

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gpmidi_wrk:

tgm4883: don't know, haven't tried

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gpmidi_wrk:

where do you set the protocol? is that in the general myth setup?

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tgm4883:

thats going to be in mythtv-setup for the tuner. Not sure why he called it proto though

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gpmidi_wrk:

under capture card?

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tgm4883:

yea I think

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gpmidi_wrk:

I don't see NTSC/PAL listed anywhere in either capture card or input connections

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tgm4883:

hmm

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gpmidi_wrk:

changed it in tv format under general setup

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gpmidi_wrk:

trying that now

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gpmidi_wrk:

no dice

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

I now have working serial port channel changing for all 3 DirecTV receivers

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clever:

nice

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gpmidi_wrk:

tgm4883: This is interesting. The default_audio_input and default_video_input in /sys show "3" as their value

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the main schema change went into the ubuntu ppas, meaning the perl and python bindings didnt work today

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wagnerrp:

the mythical guy is suggesting people change the value in the database to allow the bindings to run

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

I suggest he get a clue

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Beirdo:

we DO need to be more careful to update the bindings along with schema changes, but still.

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Beirdo:

woohoo. 11 encoders

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

of course, a max of 9 concurrent

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wagnerrp:

but still, there is NO reason to ever do such a thing

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

if you wanna mess up your OWN DB, that's one thing

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wagnerrp:

if anything, you bump the version in the installed version of the bindings

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Beirdo:

but telling others to do it, crazy

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Beirdo:

and yeah, hack the bindings :)

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Beirdo:

or wait

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Beirdo:

and seriously... if you are going to run trunk, even packaged... you are asking to be a guinea pig

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Beirdo:

so... meh

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clever:

maybe you could add a --ignore-db-schema so its simpler then hacking the DB

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Beirdo:

maybe you should just not run trunk if you are concerned about temporary borkage

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clever:

i dont mind it myself, but to fix it for the other noobs

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wagnerrp:

if the other noobs cant fix it, they cant be expected to check the changes and make sure its safe

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Beirdo:

noobs shouldn't be running trunk

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gpmidi_wrk:

99% of people have no business running trunk

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Beirdo:

it's fine to do, if you are adventurous... and willing/able to help fix issues you find

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Beirdo:

and follow the commits...and dev list...

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Beirdo:

but that's not newbie territory

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Beirdo:

OK, first order of business... clean up the HVR-2250-related changes

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gpmidi_wrk:

tgm4883: any ideas what to try next?

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jk-:

wagnerrp: which PPAs?

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wagnerrp:

the ubuntu ones

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wagnerrp:

trunk ones

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jk-:

0.23.1 ?

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jk-:

ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

trun

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wagnerrp:

k

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** jk- is a noob running from the PPAs :) **

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wagnerrp:

last night's were taking at a point during which the bindings were broken

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tgm4883:

gpmidi_wrk, not sure

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oobe:

anyone know if there is a field in tmdb to add AKA titles

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oobe:

there doesnt appear to be but i might of missed it

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wagnerrp:

aka?

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Beirdo:

jk-: well, it's at your own risk :)

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oobe:

yea it is there

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oobe:

alternative titles

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oobe:

aka means also know as

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wagnerrp:

even if tmdb supports them, mythvidoe doesnt

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oobe:

yea true

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oobe:

i didnt think about that

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gpmidi_wrk:

tgm4883: oh fuck me, I got it fixed

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gpmidi_wrk:

tgm4883: The optical connectors were loose on one of the hd-pvrs

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** gpmidi_wrk is off to /faceplam the night away **

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wagnerrp:

watch the language

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wagnerrp:

why do bombs have timers?

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wagnerrp:

seriously... its not going to help anyone but the person trying to disarm it

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: watching Chuck?

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wagnerrp:

undercovers

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Beirdo:

ah

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wagnerrp:

but this is more about every tv show and movie in general

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wagnerrp:

why would they have a timer

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wagnerrp:

and in the event there was a timer, why would it be meaningful

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wagnerrp:

why not set it off at 31:53 seconds left, and you just remember that it does so

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mihanson:

I'm having a problem with flash streaming in mythweb and was hoping someone could help. I'm using lighttpd as my webserver and I get this error in my logs whenever I try to stream a file: Useof uninitialized value in substr at /srv/http/mythweb/mythweb.pl line 22

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mihanson:

Line 22 is: substr($ENV{'PATH'}, 0, 0) = '.:';

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wagnerrp:

if you use anything but apache, youre pretty much on your own

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mihanson:

looking at my php.ini and lighttpd.conf file I fail to see what I'm missing

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mihanson:

wagnerrp: understood. I'm using lighty because this is on a plug computer and apache was a bit big

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mihanson:

Flash streaming actually works on another install I have (i686 lighty). I tried to copy over php.ini and lighttpd.conf, fixed a couple paths, but for some reason it still bombs on my plug. My gut tells me I'm missing a dep, but I can't figure out what.

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wagnerrp:

you cant do flash streaming on a 'plug computer'

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wagnerrp:

it simply doesnt have the power to transcode to flash in real time

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k-man:

is there some way to make a playlist of videos to watch in mythvideo?

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mihanson:

wagnerrp: That may be the case (I'll soon find out), but that does not seem to explain the error I'm seeing.

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Beirdo:

mihanson: the dep you are missing is likely CPU power

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kormoc:

mihanson, lighthttpd doesn't support common environment values which is why it's erroring out

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mihanson:

kormoc: it works on i686 lighty. :)

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mihanson:

Beirdo: maybe.

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kormoc:

Different versions of lighttp export different variables

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Beirdo:

apache FTW

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mihanson:

Thanks all.

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xris:

shodan45: have you tried lirc.org?

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xris:

should have info on everything from software to hardware

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shodan45:

xris, thanks that looks to be exactly what I wanted

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xris:

:)

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[R]:

rofl, gotta love people blatantly admitting piracy on public lists

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jk-:

[R]: ?

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[R]:

jk-: on -users

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jk-:

:)

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wagnerrp:

'i rent DVDs, rip them, compress them, and return them... is there a way i can automate this??!?!'

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xris:

lol

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wagnerrp:

that comment

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xris:

do we have one warning or zero-warning policy?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so i think i'm gonna put mythfs on an autofs

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wagnerrp:

autofs?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: where it automatically mounts and unmounts it

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wagnerrp:

ah, yeah... not a bad idea

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Beirdo:

stupid windows. stop asking me if I want to reboot. I don't.

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[R]:

i had a problem last night where what was showing up in mythfs was not sync'd with what the backend actually had

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its because of the screwy manner i use to update the list semi-efficiently

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[R]:

so this should tide me over for now

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k-man:

i wonder if the new apple tv would have enough grunt to be a mythfe

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k-man:

?

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[R]:

how freakin awesome is this... can't find an autofs log

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[R]:

k-man: depends on what you want to play

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k-man:

[R]: anything that the frontend can play?

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iamlindoro:

k-man, it's an ARM with 256 MB of RAM and no commodity GPU... so... no.

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wagnerrp:

k-man: no, the new appletv can play anything the hardware decoder can play

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[R]:

its an ARM!?

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iamlindoro:

A7 is ARM based

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[R]:

oh... i dint read the specs

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[R]:

didnt realize they switched it... makes sense seeing as i read its using something based off of ios

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iamlindoro:

yeah, the new hardware is actually *less* capable than the old

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[R]:

wasn't the old one like a core2?

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iamlindoro:

Pentium Mobile

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[R]:

less capable overall... but it has hardware acceleration for anything you would legitamtely play on it...

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k-man:

oh well

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iamlindoro:

[R], It's got a limited DSP that will play content up to low bitrate 720p content

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[R]:

wtf are they smoking

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[R]:

no 1080?

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k-man:

[R]: i concur

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iamlindoro:

yep, 720p only

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[R]:

are you allowed to paly your own content on it?

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k-man:

[R]: i don't believe so, but i could be wrong. i think its rental only

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iamlindoro:

No storage-- it will only stream content from iTunes on your network, and within it's supported parameters

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, the rental (streamed) content

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wagnerrp:

apparently it has 8GB of flash

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iamlindoro:

for apps

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but sadly that means we cant simply say 'it has no storage, you cannot install linux'

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Beirdo:

2010-09–29 20:32:52.446 40% Completed @ 336.328 fps.

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Beirdo:

heheh.

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** Beirdo is pleased **

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[R]:

how does commflag work if its faster than realtime and you tell it to commflag while the show is recording?

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wagnerrp:

there was some Nova show on intelligent design

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wagnerrp:

its interesting...

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wagnerrp:

the ID people keep saying there are all these scientists studying ID

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Beirdo:

dunno. I don't do it during recordings

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wagnerrp:

but they interview all these scientists and teachers for natural selection

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wagnerrp:

and lawyers and pastors for ID

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wagnerrp:

i guess they couldnt actually find any of those scientists

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Beirdo:

not likely

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Beirdo:

it's more like they were trying to make it LOOK that way

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Beirdo:

media programs are always full of bias

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Beirdo:

wow, 6min to commflag a half-hour show

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Beirdo:

now we're talkin

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[R]:

the chips from chipotle are so weird

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[R]:

they put something on them... not really sure what though

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kormoc:

lime salt

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Beirdo:

mmm, lime salt

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jk-:

for mythvideo, I need to have the videos available to both the frontend and backend machines, right?

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wagnerrp:

no

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jk-:

oh? neat

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jk-:

so the backend can stream?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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jk-:

sudo apt-get remove --purge nfs-kernel-server

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jk-:

:D

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Beirdo:

why bother?

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wagnerrp:

you need nfs for mythmusic and mythgallery

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jk-:

ah

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Beirdo:

for now :)

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jk-:

crud

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kormoc:

do ISO's stream now?

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Beirdo:

I'm sure they will be moved to storage groups too

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** jk- goes back to rethinking the aufs + nfs disaster **

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wagnerrp:

yes

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kormoc:

snaz

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jk-:

so you guys have one dir with all of your media in it?

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kormoc:

just wait until mythweather moves to storage groups

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kormoc:

jk-, /

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Beirdo:

heh

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jk-:

kormoc: ?

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Beirdo:

well, mythweather is likely to be moved to the backend soon enough

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kormoc:

jk-, there's always a common directory, even if it's /

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Beirdo:

we just don't have a way yet

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jk-:

kormoc: ah

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jk-:

I'm trying to avoid having to export / :D

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[R]:

wagnerrp: looks like the autofs is working great

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k-man:

[R]: what are you using autofs for?

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[R]:

k-man: mythfs.py

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[R]:

the best skript in the entire world

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k-man:

[R]: looking it up now :)

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wagnerrp:

note, the author things its messy garbage... :P

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[R]:

hence the autofs

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh... and when using autofs... i can put spaces in the format

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wagnerrp:

thinks

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[R]:

so i dont need that %_ hack anymore

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k-man:

i'm curious, why do you need access to your recordings in that way?

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[R]:

k-man: because upnp sucks on the device i'm using

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k-man:

oh, i see

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[R]:

although theoretically

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[R]:

i guess i could use djmount

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[R]:

and export that on samba

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[R]:

oh wait, now i remember the reason

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[R]:

because mythfs.py uses the bindings which does a FileTransfer

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[R]:

and upnp doesn't

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Beirdo:

so at 11pm, I will try my potential fix for #9005

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Beirdo:

just need to wait until my recordings for the evening are over :)

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Beirdo:

2010-09–29 22:32:50.762 100% Completed @ 477.783 fps.

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Beirdo:

heh. That was SD MPEG-2 from the HVR-2250

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Beirdo:

"Poems don't have to rhyme, and the don't have to be dirty, but people prefer..."

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Beirdo:

Red Green ++

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wagnerrp:

oink oink oink

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Beirdo:

?

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Beirdo:

Oink?

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wagnerrp:

time for the lodge meeting

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Beirdo:

hehe, ah yes

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Beirdo:

one of my friends was in the lodge meeting once...

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Beirdo:

the lodge members are all audience from the taping

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wagnerrp:

do they have to dress them up? or is that just what all you canucks wear? :P

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Beirdo:

the studio where that was filmed was a short walk from work and home when I was in TO

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Beirdo:

Pretty sure they dress em up

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Beirdo:

I went to Air Farce (same studio) taping too

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Beirdo:

CBC is cool

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wagnerrp:

looks like KET around here still airs that

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Beirdo:

Red Green's on PBS here... KBTC

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Beirdo:

haven't looked for Air Farce

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wagnerrp:

KET is a PBS blend

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Beirdo:

no matches

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Beirdo:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

'kentucky educational television'

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Beirdo:

now for the fun....

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wagnerrp:

red green teaches you... innovative uses for duct tape?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

and how to be "handy" :)

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wagnerrp:

certainly doesnt teach you how to be handsome

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Beirdo:

OK, running with the potential SSDP fix

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Beirdo:

oh wait

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Beirdo:

duh

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Beirdo:

gotta make it use USN from the config.xml

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Beirdo:

as that's part of what triggers the crashes for me

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Beirdo:

L&O: LA

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Beirdo:

this should be potentially interesting

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wagnerrp:

theyve only got 40 years of experience writing it

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Beirdo:

only 40?

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Beirdo:

feels like a lot longer :)

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wagnerrp:

20 for L&O, like another 10 for each of the other two

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Beirdo:

3 versions... 10+ years average each... yeah I guess 40 might be a good estimate

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Beirdo:

and then Homicide before that

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Beirdo:

OMG is Windows persistent

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Beirdo:

by "Reboot Later" I don't mean in 10 min

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Beirdo:

I mean LATER.

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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Beirdo:

12h+ would be a nice option

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wagnerrp:

-66 on one of the trac spams, thats got to be some sort of record

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wagnerrp:

of course the bayesian filter classified it as ham, so go figure

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

holy crap is that a massive one...

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/admin/spamfilter/monitor/27223

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Beirdo:

idiots

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Beirdo:

we will not be a willing party to your SEO-spiking attempts

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Beirdo:

Baysian said 0.00% possibility of spam... I think that needs a bit of training

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wagnerrp:

just did

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wagnerrp:

although im thinking maybe i shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

wonder how it handles huge things like that, if it slows it down any

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wagnerrp:

i really have no idea how bayesian filtering works

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Beirdo:

I looked into it at one point

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Beirdo:

but I fixed that with beer and vodka since

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[R]:

did anyone watch Law and Order Los Angelos?

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Beirdo:

I am watching it right now

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[R]:

i'm so confused... but whats new

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Beirdo:

and probably most people haven't watched it even if they recorded it

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[R]:

it ended like an hour ago

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Beirdo:

less than 45min

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Beirdo:

at least on the west coast

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[R]:

hour, 45... same thing

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deegan:

Hello. Does anyone here have experience working with a Diseqc and 2xLNB's? I have 1x Hauppauge HVR-4000 card connected to afformentioned diseqc, using DVB-S here, and it doesnt seem like it wants to switch over to the 2nd LNB when i try to scan for channels.

[07:17:18]

deegan:

This sort of worked using scan/dvbscan earlier but since i configured mythtv to assign a diseqc with 2 ports it doesnt seem like it wants to switch, any recomendations?

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deegan:

I have the channels from one satelite working fine but i can't get the other one to get a lock, and just to be sure I had a professional come and fix my satelitedish yesterday.

[07:19:09]

deegan:

So it would seem the diseqc switching is what's causing this.

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Beirdo:

OK, bedtime for me

[07:23:44]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: the potential fix for #9005 is in, and hopefully my backend stays up, no crasy

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Beirdo:

crashy rather

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justinh:

deegan: probably a minor config issue. did you configure the second LNB correctly in mythtv-setup?

[08:07:17]

deegan:

justinh, yea on the card i have when i entered diseqc config i chose "diseqc", have tried with mini diseqc and diseqc uncommited aswell, and after that i chose that the two ports where LNB's.

[08:07:20]

justinh:

bah xmarks are discontinuing their browser sync service

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justinh:

deegan: yeah but did you configure another 'video source' for the 2nd LNB and configure it via the 'input connections' page?

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deegan:

justinh, Do i need 2 even if i'm using EIT?

[08:09:53]

deegan:

scanning away again now though. Seems I have to do a few passes using either "only free" or "test encrypted" but that's not a big deal now that i'm getting my channel list populated.

[08:10:27]

deegan:

i got a "no lock" error trying to watch something of the Astra satelite while the channels from Thor satelite seems to be working just fine.

[08:10:35]

deegan:

that was just now.

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justinh:

deegan: yes you need 2

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justinh:

the channels offered by both birds you're pointing at are different

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justinh:

so anything not available on one bird really wouldn't belong on the same 'video source' as the other bird

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deegan:

justinh: oh ok i didnt realise that was a factor aswell. it might explain why i'm not able to watch stuff from one bird while the other one works fine.

[08:13:00]

justinh:

there really still needs to be a better name for those 'video sources' IMHO. damned if we'll ever reach a consensus though

[08:13:09]

deegan:

:)

[08:14:07]

deegan:

justinh: ok so now that i succesfully managed to scan from both birds into the same video source do i need to clean my channel list and repeat the scanning again but with different video sources selected?

[08:14:19]

deegan:

and by succesfully i mean foolishly.

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

I'm amazed it even worked

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deegan:

well i was persistant. this is my 2nd day working on this.

[08:15:01]

deegan:

:)

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justinh:

so in the end you should have one 'video source' for Astra, say.. and another for 'Hotbird', say

[08:15:20]

deegan:

I couldnt find any real good documentation on how to configure the Diseqc to begin with so that was just trial and error.

[08:15:46]

justinh:

and you associate each of the sources with the correct LNB through the 'input connections' page

[08:16:20]

justinh:

at least that's how I think it works. I've never done it & right now I'm the closest thing this channel has to anybody with experience of it

[08:16:41]

justinh:

for some reason dvb-s users – especially those with diseqc gear – are thin on the ground round here

[08:19:22]

justinh:

maybe the reason is that there's bugger all worth watching on anything but Astra for UK peeps, and people in the rest of the english speaking world don't have much to watch on dvb-s either ;)

[08:20:32]

deegan:

heh yea perhaps.

[08:20:39]

deegan:

well now i cant get a lock in. man i hate this.

[08:21:12]

deegan:

oh how about that, mythtv remove the diseqc settings when i deleted all the channels.

[08:24:36]

justinh:

meh. just looked at the channel list for hotbird.. nothing worth watching apart from BBC World unencrypted

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sid3windr:

what

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sid3windr:

it's not full of pr0n?

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justinh:

is pr0n worth watching? not in my book

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sid3windr:

;>

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justinh:

or as the 10 minute free to view is called in Roger's Profanisaurus ... "Skyagra"

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justinh:

Skyagra (n.) – A quick flick through the satellite TV channels before bedtime, made by a middle-aged gentleman in search of something to boost his flagging libido

[08:29:07]

deegan:

Right, well. Now i can't scan again, this is crazy.

[08:29:52]

deegan:

"No Lock". Atleast before this i had one satelite working. :)

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justinh:

you know you can't do a full scan, right?

[08:30:31]

justinh:

you need to at least do a full scan (tuned) & give the scanner details of a transponder you know is operating

[08:30:57]

justinh:

and of course select the video source you're scanning on

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deegan:

justinh: right, thank you for reminding me. now that i pick one of the two transponders that i got a lock on before it starts scanning.

[08:32:59]

deegan:

There's just so much that can go wrong doing this. :)

[08:34:04]

justinh:

a totally wizard-driven thing is planned for the future but that's a way off yet. so much to do before then

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deegan:

yea i can see, there's too many options to just wizzard-it-up right now.

[08:35:14]

deegan:

all in all, good application i most say. Tried doing some recordings during the night and the commercial stuff worked like a charm. HDTV is a bit heavy on the WiFi though so i'm getting a new N-5ghz hotspot etc for that.

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justinh:

meh. wireless isn't even good enough for SDTV – in the same room as my router

[08:36:06]

justinh:

my whole house is wired. always was before I got wireless

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deegan:

justinh: also after doing a full scan on a working transponder should i chose to scan the transponders or do another full scan?

[08:36:59]

deegan:

I prefer the wiring myself, much more stable and no packetloss or shity signal quality which can really ruin a movie if xbmc has to start rebuffering every 10 seconds.

[08:37:11]

justinh:

I think if other transports are found from just the one it should go off & do them all

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justinh:

language

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deegan:

oh snap, i'm out of coffee.. :|

[08:39:41]

deegan:

btw after i get this stuff working, i'm putting up a blog and posting some general information about doing this stuff since it seems to be a lack of information about it in general. :)

[08:42:30]

justinh:

ugh. we need this in the wiki, not some blog

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justinh:

:)

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deegan:

haha well ok then, let me write it up and post it on the wiki. still got lots of stuff to do getting it all working like i want so.. :)

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deegan:

the only lack of information in the whole package i bought was the diseqc switch, it doesnt say how i should communicate with it. diseqc, mini diseqc or diseqc uncommited.

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deegan:

ok so now this is a thing that makes me think MythTV doesnt really handle the diseqc instrutions too well. It's perfectly fine if i scan using LNB2 but LNB1 wont hook up on any of the freqenzies i give it, and i get these from lyngsat.com

[09:07:56]

justinh:

make sure your input connections are correct etc

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deegan:

no, wait.

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deegan:

this is odd.

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deegan:

I'm looking at the freqs for viasat and none of them will bite but the DigiTV freqs work, they are on the same satelite so that's not strange just by itself but it's odd that 11900000 works and 11938000 doesnt.

[09:12:52]

deegan:

getting more transport ID's now atleast so lets pray that my channels are in there somewhere. :)

[09:13:17]

deegan:

together with 500 channels i cant watch no doubt.

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pak0:

i have a problem when i record one channel and watch another of same multiplex with one nova t500

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justinh:

the solution is never to use livetv :-)

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pak0:

nop

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pak0:

tryied and same problem

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pak0:

i have find it the solution just now, is setting in the second tuner, 3 channels to record, lol, nice! testing now w/o problems

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pak0:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1382616

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deegan:

hmm, i just noticed that DigiTV and Viasat are not on the same satelite. DigiTV and CanalDigital however are on the same satelite. And i cant for the life of me get a positive scan of the Viasat channels.

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deegan:

Diseqc is messing with me IRL.

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justinh:

"just on my third year of trying to get my PVR setup working" ? :-O

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justinh:

now *that* is dedication

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xand:

excellent, maplin "gold" coax plugs are solderable

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justinh:

never buy from maplin if I can possibly help it

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justinh:

put them in the same bin as Currys & Comet

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deegan:

further progress, I can actively select the LNB while using scan(1) to scan for channels.

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deegan:

scan -l UNIVERSAL -t 1 -a 1 -s 1 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Sirius-5.0E

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deegan:

scan -l UNIVERSAL -t 1 -a 1 -s 0 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Thor-1.0W

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deegan:

where -s <n> == the LNB. starting at 0 of course.

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Crankygeek:

Good Morning, I have a few questions how to setup MythTV with Directv sattalite.....The Box I would llike to hook up to is a HiDef box. but I am not sure if there is a way to make Myth and DirecTV's box to work together...can anyone explain this to me?

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justinh:

Crankygeek: you'll need a means of capturing the HD from the directv STB... i.e. your only recourse would be to use a Hauppauge HD-PVR – assuming the component outputs of the STB work

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Crankygeek:

I am pretty sure they do work. We have the box using an HDMI cable at the moment though. is there a way to use the HDMI instead of component?

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skd5aner:

DirecTV Box --> HDFury --> HDPVR --> MythTV

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skd5aner:

but that's an extra step that wouldn't be necessary if you get good output on the component outputs in the first place

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Crankygeek:

ok, forgive me, I am brand new at this Mythtv setup. If I were to go from the DTV out components over to Myth, what is the HDTV hooking up to? and what will control the channel changing and such?

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RagingMind:

Crankygeek, you'd have to get an irblaster or something so myth could tell the box to change channel

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Crankygeek:

ok, so the component jacks are able to receive info, not just send info out?

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skd5aner:

no...

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skd5aner:

so, here's the deal...

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skd5aner:

With DirecTV, you get an STB (set-top box)...

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Crankygeek:

yes

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Crankygeek:

ohh, I go tit

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Crankygeek:

got it*

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skd5aner:

it can output both HD and SD material over various outputs – HDMI, Component (HD), Svideo, composist, coax (SD)

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Crankygeek:

the IR blaster hooks back up to the front IR port on the STB

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skd5aner:

so, the only way to caputre HD in myth, easily, is to buy an HD-PVR, hook it up to the compoenent outputs of the STB, and you get the video stream...

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skd5aner:

you still have to control the STB somehow...

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skd5aner:

so, you can do that 1 of 2 ways – depending on the STB, there is the posibility you can use USB/Serial to change channels – google for that

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skd5aner:

if not, you have to use lirc (a piece of software on your mythbox) and an irBlaster (a device that will send IR signals to your STB) to immitate a remote in order to change channels

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skd5aner:

mythtv can execute a channel changing script which will send signals to lirc and the ir blaster when it needs to tune to a different channel

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skd5aner:

the HD-PVR is really only smart enough to capture what it's sent

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Crankygeek:

I would assume that USB if possible is the better way to go?

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skd5aner:

* although it does have some IR functionality, most people don't use it

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skd5aner:

Crankygeek: in my opinion, yes

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skd5aner:

that said – I do not have DirecTV so I can't really state how easy/possible it is, although there is some info on the wiki and lots of other info on google about the feasibility and how-tos

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Crankygeek:

ok, What is the best HD-PVR card to get? I guess as far an easy of installation and such...any reccomendations?

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skd5aner:

HD-PVR is a box

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skd5aner:

that's the model, it's external and interfaces with the mythbackend via USB

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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skd5aner:

it's very popular, lots of people use it with cable/sat STBs

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skd5aner:

I use one with my cable STB

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skd5aner:

have another sitting in a box waiting to be used, but I don't want to spend $10/mo more on a second STB

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Crankygeek:

That's cool, I will look into that....I was setting up Myth for use as a DVR, Does the HD-PVR server the same purpose?

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skd5aner:

the HD-PVR is simply a capture device that mythtv can use

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skd5aner:

it provides no other functionality than to capture and encode the stream when mythtv tells it to

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Crankygeek:

So it doesn't act like a ReplayTV or Tivo then

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skd5aner:

nope

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skd5aner:

it's like any other capture card that mythtv would use, it's just external

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Crankygeek:

cool,

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Crankygeek:

and it setups up easy with Ubuntu?

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skd5aner:

yup – but if you are just getting into mythtv, you might want to look at a mythtv specific distro

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skd5aner:

like mythbuntu, mythdora, etc

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skd5aner:

makes things even easier, not that it's super hard otherwise, but they do take a lot of the background work out of the equation

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skd5aner:

make it much more plug and play

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Crankygeek:

Yeah, I was thinking about that, but then I founf that Ubuntu 10.4 LTS was ablt to pretty much install Myth without to much effort from me :)

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deegan:

btw anyone using the latest 0.23.1 build? I got 0.23 running here, any point in upgrading?

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skd5aner:

deegan: yes, lots of bug fixes

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deegan:

coolio.

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skd5aner:

several hundred I would imagine

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Crankygeek:

So I stepped through the install and it was pretty simple, I am just not sure of the rest now as far as getting everything hooked up and working together

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deegan:

i'm just gonna get my setup working then and after that destroy it all with a new build. :)

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skd5aner:

deegan: if you wanted, you could even run the 0.23-fixes branch and compile yourslef – even more fixes than in 0.23.1

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deegan:

skd5aner: svn/git repo i asume?

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skd5aner:

svn

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deegan:

gonna make a slackbuild for that too then.

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skd5aner:

Crankygeek: just try and follow the documentation and wiki as much as possible

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skd5aner:

Crankygeek: if you get stumped, ask here or the mailing list

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skd5aner:

deegan: 0.24 is around the bend... I would say before end of Oct if I were to guess

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skd5aner:

although, that's probably a good guess

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skd5aner:

maybe a little later, maybe a little earlier

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deegan:

nice.

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deegan:

uhm i have a problem here while setting the input, i have two LNB's and i have scanned both and they both have their own "Video Sources" defined but when i go into "input connections" -> chose LNB1 -> Set the video source -> click next and leave the input groups on "General" and then finnish. now when i do the same thing for the LNB2 and click save the first Input configuration is remove.

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skd5aner:

deegan: sorry, not familiar with configuring LNBs myself

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deegan:

skd5aner: hmm, what if i told you while in the "Connect source input" screen the "Input:" says DVBInput #2 on both?

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deegan:

heh, this is mad. I finaly get to scan on both LNB's and now i cant save the input sources.

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deegan:

bad day ey.

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harrisonk:

I have asked before but I forgot: were can I find a list of supported hardware?

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harrisonk:

I mean tuners

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kshots_work:

Anyone have any heat-tolerant suggestions for a backend?

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kshots_work:

I've lost two backends over the years to heat

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** kshots_work just lost a phenom X3 :( **

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kshots_work:

Ideally, I'd need something that tolerates an ambient temperature of up to 60C

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RagingMind:

more fans or lower power hardware?

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kshots_work:

I'm thinking lower power hardware

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RagingMind:

that's quite warm...

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kshots_work:

I've seen atoms with specs claiming to take that kind of heat... but my last experience with an atom as a backend was rather dismal from a performance point of view

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RagingMind:

if the area is that warm even low power hardware would probably have issues. low power hardware with high power cooling solutions?

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kshots_work:

nah, just an industrial machine – there are high-temperature designs around with little to no need for cooling

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RagingMind:

is the area around the computer that warm or is that how warm the insides of your old computers were?

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kshots_work:

... but they're usually not very powerful

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justinh:

harrisonk: mythtv doesn't 'support' hardware as such. the majority of tuners either work in linux or they don't. see the linuxtv.org wiki

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kshots_work:

The area around the computer is that warm

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dewman:

harrisonk, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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RagingMind:

an ambient 60C doesn't give the hardware much room before it'll hit it's thermal limits, I'd suggest trying to cool the area down or you'll have problems with any hardware

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kshots_work:

I've got lots of other machines that are spec'd to take that kind of heat, but they're all rather low-power

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kshots_work:

mostly Via C7's, an atom, and a Via nano

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kshots_work:

specifically, industrial versions of each

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deegan:

kshots_work: depends on where you place the stuff i guess. I have mine in the basement, the temp is +51C on the CPU and +45C on the NB. no problems though. Get something bigger then the stockcooler and if you are placing it in like a closet or something just take the lid of the case.

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kshots_work:

I've also located an ION2 that can take up to 50C ambient... but I don't know if the ION chipset helps at all with the backend

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justinh:

it won't help. quite the contrary

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kshots_work:

I've got it all in my garage, that's why it's that hot

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justinh:

proper server rooms often have dedicated A/C

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justinh:

when they're not being run by cheapskates

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kshots_work:

heh, perhaps true... lots of rural telecon switches are run in a tin shed in the middle of the desert, too

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kshots_work:

ok... so ION's a bust... another possibility, I can take a cheap industrial machine with encoders, and allow my air-conditioned desktop and/or laptop do any commercial scanning or transcoding... is that possible?

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deegan:

justinh: true, but for home usage unless you have a good ventilation you are better off opening the case instead of turning the chassi into a furnace. :)

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deegan:

if you place it in a tight spot that is, like a closet.

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justinh:

well, you can always resort to ducted ventilation

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kshots_work:

Hmm... found an industrial turion64 x2 (1.8 GHz)... can that make an acceptable backend?

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kshots_work:

(takes an ambient up to 60C)

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kshots_work:

oh... found a much cheaper industrial C2D... that may work

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kshots_work:

ok, found a solution that would run around ~$771

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RagingMind:

kshots_work, link?

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kshots_work:

http://www.logicsupply.com/products/j9f2_khde

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kshots_work:

that board, the C2D that it can come with, and this case:

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kshots_work:

http://www.logicsupply.com/products/sl1ur_b

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RagingMind:

I need a small rack to start putting my stuff in

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kshots_work:

oops... forgot that the case needs accessories too... hmm... PCI riser += $25, PSU += $49, CF adapter += $9, mounting brackets += $15... I can also throw in some extra fans for $25, so that comes out to... $894

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kshots_work:

damn... for that price, I'd better be able to do more than simply a mythbackend

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kshots_work:

Oh... looks like the mounting brackets are for another use, not for racks... so -= $15

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justinh:

whaaaaaaaaaa?

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justinh:

man, you could get a plain quad core system AND dedicated A/C for that

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justinh:

well, just about anyway

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RagingMind:

kshots_work, is this just a backend?

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kshots_work:

justinh: Yeah, but then I'd also have to pay for the A/C on a monthly basis... this I can let run in the garage

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RagingMind:

what kind of tuner?

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kshots_work:

RagingMind: Yeah

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kshots_work:

RagingMind: PC HDTV 5500's and an HDPVR

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RagingMind:

do you use the analog capture at all?

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kshots_work:

Nope

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RagingMind:

an atom would handle that just fine, I'm guessing your performance issues were with commercial flagging or something?

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kshots_work:

exactly

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kshots_work:

commercial flagging was running over a month behind last time I tried an atom

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RagingMind:

wtf?

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kshots_work:

The phenom could handle the flagging real-time, but it can't take the heat of the garage

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RagingMind:

I have a late P3 as my front and backend and commercial flagging was almost real time (this was just SDTV though with a PVR250)

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kshots_work:

HD feeds take a lot more processing power

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RagingMind:

yeah but it shouldn't take an extra month?

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kshots_work:

It didn't, at first

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kshots_work:

I let it run for 4 months, by that time it was 1 month behind

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RagingMind:

you record a lot?

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kshots_work:

yeah

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RagingMind:

heh

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wagnerrp:

kshots_work: surely you dont do recording and playback on that atom, right?

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wagnerrp:

ls

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kshots_work:

wagnerrp: When I was using the atom, no – it was dedicated to recording, and I had an ION to do the playback

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wagnerrp:

ah, so you had crap machines all around

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wagnerrp:

i was suggesting you run a jobqueue on your more powerful playback machine

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kshots_work:

The ION still works fine as a frontend

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but it wouldnt do much to help your processing backlog

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kshots_work:

I had retired the atom over a year ago, replaced it with a phenom X3... which as of last weekend burnt up from the heat

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wagnerrp:

why are you stuffing this thing into a little 1U case?

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kshots_work:

not too many options for mini-itx, and I have no HDDs to worry about

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wagnerrp:

more importantly, where do you stuff all these recordings with a case that only supports 2.5" drives?

[16:07:07]

wagnerrp:

there are plenty of options for mini-itx

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wagnerrp:

nearly any case can accept mini-itx

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kshots_work:

the recordings go over nfsv4 to a 4 TB RAID-6

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wagnerrp:

there just arent many designed specifically for mini-itx

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wagnerrp:

at most, you might have to screw in a couple extra standoffs

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kshots_work:

I had the phenom working successfully for 2 weeks under nfsv4 before it burned up

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wagnerrp:

the /worst/ you might have to do is drill and tap a few extra holes

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kshots_work:

ok... but getting a 2U or higher case doesn't really buy me much, either

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wagnerrp:

it buys you a lot more airflow

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wagnerrp:

why not run your backend on this machine housing the raid?

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kshots_work:

The RAID is a via nano

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wagnerrp:

hopefully hardware raid?

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kshots_work:

yeah, spent $850 on the RAID card

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kshots_work:

areca 1231 ML

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wagnerrp:

mmm...

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kshots_work:

I'm only using half the drives it supports (6/12)

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** wagnerrp pats his 1230 **

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kshots_work:

heck, the thing has more cache in it than most of my machines have RAM

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tgm4883:

more airflow FTW

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wagnerrp:

if the phenom is recent enough to still be under warranty, can you get it replaced, and swap it out for the Nano?

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wagnerrp:

just use that as your backend?

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wagnerrp:

since that case has to be at least 3U

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kshots_work:

The phenom is nowhere near as powerful as the nano for what the nano's doing – the nano is using padlock to encrypt the whole array

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kshots_work:

the case is 2U

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wagnerrp:

riser card?

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kshots_work:

yeah, flexible PCI-e riser

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kshots_work:

I doubt the phenom is under warranty anyways... it's over a year old

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kshots_work:

surprised it lasted that long in that environment

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wagnerrp:

you said it lasted two weeks

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kshots_work:

12:04] <kshots_work> I had retired the atom over a year ago, replaced it with a phenom X3... which as of last weekend burnt up from the heat

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wagnerrp:

kshots_work> I had the phenom working successfully for 2 weeks under nfsv4 before it burned up

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kshots_work:

Ah, there's the 2 weeks line – Yeah, I had migrated my storage from local RAID-5 on the phenom to NFSv4 on the nano

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kshots_work:

I was simply stating that I knew that NFSv4 worked satisfactorily

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kshots_work:

I guess I could go with one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811182566 – I couldn't care less about the crappy RAID card they're including, though

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kshots_work:

... and I'd have to find some means of mounting my CF HDD

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kshots_work:

hmm... I'd also have to find a dual flexible riser to sit on the bottom there – the only boards I know of that are temperature tolerant only have one expansion slot

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kshots_work:

This would solve the riser issue fairly well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811123107

[16:43:42]

kshots_work:

More than double the price, though

[16:44:01]

kshots_work:

Also, designed for mini-itx form factors

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dewman:

I love finding people that list computer parts on ebay that have no idea what they are talking about, "PCI-X and PCI-Express are the same thing" sheesh.....

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wagnerrp:

clearly X means extreme, making it moar betterer than express

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dewman:

hehe

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kshots_work:

Could be worse... they could be praising the "all new" vesa local bus

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zed_devil:

hi all

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wagnerrp:

speak of the devil...

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kshots_work:

high zed

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zed_devil:

im absolutly new in ubuntu and mythtv so pleas excuse if my questions are a bit stupid

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zed_devil:

i got mythtv working under ubunut 10.4 server ist running and client workst too > now i want to connect my dreambox pvr 600 but i cant find any good information how i should do that

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zed_devil:

can someone help me plz

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt support the dreambox

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zed_devil:

and whats about the neworkrecorder with the m3u file – my dreambox has a network stream for VLC with a m3u file

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wagnerrp:

that is intended for youse with the French FreeBox IPTV provider

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wagnerrp:

it is designed for use with RTP/RTSP streams

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wagnerrp:

i believe over multicast

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zed_devil:

ok thx – so i have another question

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Timel0rd:

i had w disks for recordings bot par of a recording group. One of the disks is now us and the recordings lost. is there a way to rescan what's left?

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kshots_work:

is anyone else having trouble deciphering that last one?

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Timel0rd:

sorry. I had 2 disks both part of a recording group.

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zed_devil:

so o need a usb dvb-s tuner > can u tell mich tuner is "easy" to set up and fully suportet

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wagnerrp:

!tuners

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

we dont do tuner cards, we do the DVB API

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wagnerrp:

so any DVB-S card supported by drivers from the linuxtv project is fair game

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zed_devil:

ok i will have a look -thx for your informations

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Gibby:

I got one of these http://www.amazon.com/Dell-RC6-Receiver-Micro . . . f=pd_sxp_f_i and i am currently using it it blast to 1 of my STB's, it has 2 ports for IR blaster on the back, can I use both for 2 different STB's?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Gibby:

but the STB's are the same.... checking the wiki now

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wagnerrp:

so, there are two different independent ports

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wagnerrp:

(i think thats how it works anyway)

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Gibby:

that is what I would think but I only see 1 in the OS

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Gibby:

I have an HVR-1600, I got the extender card for it, I set it up on the backend. I have Svideo1 and Composite2 setup, both in different input groups, but the backend still says i have only 1 encoder

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iamlindoro:

That's the opposite of how input groups work

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iamlindoro:

two analog inputs on the same card, with two external devices would be in the *same* inputs group

[18:23:14]

iamlindoro:

input groups exist to prevent the same physical device being opened twice

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iamlindoro:

and you *do* only have one encoder

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iamlindoro:

adding more input groups won't change that

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Gibby:

ok makes sense, read it wrong then... so how do I make svideo1 and composite2 work at the sametime?

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iamlindoro:

You don't

[18:25:29]

iamlindoro:

There is *one* encoder on that card-- by definition it will accept *one* input at any given time

[18:25:46]

Gibby:

I can watch svideo0 and digital TV at the same time

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iamlindoro:

because digital TV doesn't use the analog tuner

[18:26:21]

iamlindoro:

the HVR-1600 is an analog tuner/encoder and a digital encoder

[18:26:33]

iamlindoro:

you can use 1 digital + 1 analog at a time

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iamlindoro:

s/digital encoder/digital tuner/

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iamlindoro:

but you cannot use two analog input concurrently

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Gibby:

ugh, so what is the purpose of the extender card

[18:27:51]

iamlindoro:

to give you additional input *types*

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devinheitmueller:

Gibby: the extender is so you can toggle between different inputs – it doesn't let you capture on them at the same time.

[18:28:45]

Beirdo:

you can hook both up, and put them in an input group (both svideo and composite) with different sources, and it should let you schedule on either

[18:28:52]

Beirdo:

but not both simultaneously

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Gibby:

hmm damn, any one need an extender for one? brand new, just got it in the mail

[18:29:43]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:29:45]

Beirdo:

nope.

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: if you need more analog inputs, get another 1600, or an old 150/500, or replace it with a 2250

[18:29:57]

Beirdo:

I like my 2250 :)

[18:30:45]

Gibby:

problem is I use a 2U rack mount server, PCI slots are limited

[18:30:49]

Gibby:

and no PCI-e slots

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Beirdo:

heh

[18:31:33]

Beirdo:

sounds like a limited usefulness box to me

[18:32:34]

Gibby:

not really, I have a riser card I can use for it so it gives me 3 PCI slots... only need analog for limited time till my ISP goes under, they filed for bankruptcy

[18:33:03]

Beirdo:

non-sequiter city

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Gibby:

huh?

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Beirdo:

analog capture -> ISP?! that makes no sense to the average human

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Gibby:

my ISP provides me DirecTV via MFH3

[18:36:31]

Beirdo:

uh huh. I see

[18:36:43]

Gibby:

heard ATT is already at the end of my street with Uverse waiting

[18:36:50]

Gibby:

and Time Warner

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marc_us:

Gibby: I wish I had an option other than TWarner

[18:38:01]

Gibby:

marc_us: time warner is better than what I have now, had them in Charleston

[18:38:17]

Gibby:

what is a good price for a used PVR-150?

[18:38:42]

Beirdo:

!url lmgtfy used PVR-150

[18:38:42]

MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=used%20PVR%2D150

[18:38:58]

skd5aner:

hehe, you added lmgtfy to the bot?

[18:39:06]

awalls:

Nice.

[18:39:07]

Beirdo:

yup :)

[18:39:07]

Gibby:

lol

[18:39:42]

Gibby:

so google shopping first result is $65 for the pvr-150, doesn't sound to good

[18:39:43]

awalls:

Gibby: yeah, there's only one analog signal decoder on the HVR-1600.

[18:39:43]

skd5aner:

I hate TWC, but... I also hate comcast

[18:40:02]

skd5aner:

I really don't like any provider that I've ever had

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Beirdo:

I wish I had Comcast in addition to OTA and DirecTV

[18:40:21]

Beirdo:

must... record... more... :)

[18:40:32]

skd5aner:

you got 4 STBs?

[18:40:33]

awalls:

(Or on most capture cards)

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Beirdo:

having 11 encoders just ain't enough

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skd5aner:

This fall, I've realized that I'm a bit oversaturated with content right now

[18:41:12]

Gibby:

humph, might just get rid of them now and the hvr-1600 and just get 2 hdhomerun duals

[18:41:12]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: 3 DirecTV boxes (1 HD) plus antenna

[18:41:15]

skd5aner:

decided not to go beyond some pilots

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awalls:

Streaming to the neighbors' homes Beirdo?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

all for me

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Beirdo:

dual channel HD Homerun + HVR-2250 + HDVPR

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kshots_work:

multiplex the streams into one output so you can watch all 11 at once?

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Beirdo:

HDPVR rather

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Beirdo:

I can only record on a max of 9 at a time

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skd5aner:

are you counting multiplexed virtual tuners?

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Beirdo:

the HVR-2250 is 6 of the encoders (2 ATSC w/ multirec = 4... 2 analog connected to DirecTV boxes)

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Beirdo:

yes

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skd5aner:

cause I don't think that counts (in my opinion)

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Beirdo:

sure it does

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Beirdo:

when you record using multirec, why doesn't it?

[18:43:20]

skd5aner:

well, it "counts" because it works – but doens't really "count"

[18:43:21]

skd5aner:

:P

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awalls:

DTV isn't using encoders at the capture card

[18:43:35]

awalls:

It doesn't count! :)

[18:43:47]

Beirdo:

yeah, but they are listed as "encoders" as far as MythTV is concerned

[18:44:08]

skd5aner:

yea, but only if everything is capable of being recorded on the multiplexes

[18:44:10]

kshots_work:

heh, if that's the case, I can count my analog inputs on my HD 5500's, making my total recording capability up to 5 at once... if you don't take into account that the HD 5500 can't do analog recording properly :)

[18:44:20]

Gibby:

ugh stupid human performance meetings

[18:44:33]

Beirdo:

kshots_work: if it doesn't work, it doesn't count :)

[18:44:35]

wagnerrp:

kshots_work: what? the 5500 doesnt do analog, its digital?

[18:44:50]

wagnerrp:

ermm... that was a statement

[18:45:01]

awalls:

As opposed to inhuman performance meetings?

[18:45:02]

kshots_work:

wagnerrp: It has analog capability, but it doesn't encode

[18:45:18]

skd5aner:

I mean, I've got 7 active encoders (11 if you count what's not hooked up) in physical alone, I'm sure I could easily bump that number up to 40 if I wanted ;)

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** wagnerrp rejects the existence of framegrabbers **

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Beirdo:

oooh, my second storage group has nearly caught up with the first... soon I'll be recording to both

[18:45:38]

wagnerrp:

digital only you say?

[18:45:52]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you are a silly boy :)

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Beirdo:

I like it

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** awalls wonders if wagnerrp's reality distortion field experiment will actually work **

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Gibby:

awalls: human performance as in goones that don't know how to do stuff properly and cause outages/impact to our customer

[18:47:16]

Beirdo:

I'm gonna have to dig out my old framegrabber just to collapse wagnerrp's bubble

[18:47:37]

** wagnerrp puts up fingers in a cross **

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awalls:

Gibby: Ah, we call that Team Software Process where I have worked

[18:47:45]

wagnerrp:

away with ye, evil demon

[18:47:50]

Beirdo:

and to be a real twit, I should find a way to run it on an Atom box

[18:47:51]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:48:16]

skd5aner:

the clouds outside are moving in both directions

[18:48:20]

skd5aner:

is this the end of days?

[18:48:29]

Beirdo:

nah, I think it would be more fun to fling it onto an interstate

[18:48:30]

kshots_work:

skd5aner: up and down?

[18:48:38]

skd5aner:

north AND south

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wagnerrp:

sounds more like tornados brewing

[18:48:52]

skd5aner:

clear skies, white clouds

[18:48:53]

marc_us:

skd5aner: Nah, just that there is a mexican restaurant underneath

[18:49:06]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: you ripped a really nasty one did ya?

[18:49:07]

Gibby:

we had some funky clouds today too

[18:49:16]

marc_us:

Excuse my gas

[18:49:23]

Gibby:

What does OOPS stand for?

[18:49:32]

Beirdo:

even the clouds want to escape.

[18:49:33]

awalls:

Just that.

[18:49:34]

wagnerrp:

got any context?

[18:49:40]

skd5aner:

I actually went out and took a 60 second movie of it with my digicam

[18:49:52]

marc_us:

I think some context just passed with my gas

[18:49:59]

skd5aner:

had to use trees as a focal point to make sure I wasn't crazy

[18:50:05]

Gibby:

Outside Of Procedures, Parameters or Processes, Stop

[18:50:06]

wagnerrp:

Out Of Poop Shoot

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skd5aner:

clouds moved left... and yup, clouds moved right

[18:50:16]

jan2600:

Has anyone seen this before: I use DVB-S and on 1 transponder, the video and audio is out of sync in all channels on all frontends since 2 days. Old recordings play fine. The recorded mpg file however does play fine in mplayer...

[18:50:19]

wagnerrp:

otherwise known of 'i pulled that one out of my ass'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kshots_work:

jan2600: There's your problem, you're using transponders

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marc_us:

wagnerrp: please replace it promptly

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Beirdo:

why does oops have to stand for anything?

[18:51:12]

skd5aner:

+1

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jan2600:

kshots_work: not much choice since it's DVB-S... I just don't get why it's screwed up myth while there's nothing wrong with the received mpg file...

[18:52:05]

marc_us:

OOPS (Oh Oh, Problems in Sequence)

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kshots_work:

Which frontends are you using? I know the PS3 had some out-of-sync issues with some formats (h-264, for instance)

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** Beirdo scratches his head **

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Gibby:

!help

[18:53:13]

Gibby:

!list

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marc_us:

kshots_work: For that matter, I can't get my PS3 to play sound with HDPVR recordings

[18:53:20]

Beirdo:

!trout Gibby

[18:53:20]

** MythLogBot slaps Gibby with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[18:53:26]

Beirdo:

hehe

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kshots_work:

marc_us: HDPVR recordings work fine with the PS3, as long as you don't transcode them

[18:53:49]

kshots_work:

the moment you transcode them, the audio drops out

[18:53:56]

Gibby:

ok understand that, but hwo did you send the scratches your head?

[18:54:10]

marc_us:

kshots_work: no transcoding that I'm aware of... just the standard myth recodings

[18:54:27]

awalls:

Why isn't !lmgtfy in the output of !list?

[18:54:30]

kshots_work:

marc_us: Are you sure you don't have your backend set to automatically transcode your recordings?

[18:54:33]

jan2600:

kshots_work: VIA epia mini-itx, Zotac someting with a core2 duo and my laptop, also core2 duo..

[18:54:49]

marc_us:

kshots_work: correct

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marc_us:

I have enough storage for the moment

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jan2600:

kshots_work: my files are all MPEG2 TS

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** iamlindoro uses custom actions for the amusement and confusion of Gibby **

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kshots_work:

marc_us: Hrm... /me wonders if sony released another firmware update to screw that up... I'm still on 3.15

[18:55:32]

Beirdo:

awalls: it's in !url

[18:55:41]

Beirdo:

!url – list

[18:55:41]

MythLogBot:

faq google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs nocablecard overscan tuners upnp wiki

[18:55:42]

awalls:

Doh.

[18:55:45]

Gibby:

:?

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marc_us:

I don't even know what firmware is in these boxes since I borrowed a lap top to update them. I have two

[18:56:14]

marc_us:

OH PS3 update

[18:56:16]

marc_us:

sorry

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** awalls shuffles back to work wondering if Gibby will google for an IRC FAQ **

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marc_us:

kshots_work: the ps3 plays my transcoded files just fine.

[18:57:02]

kshots_work:

marc_us: Including audio?

[18:57:08]

marc_us:

Yeah

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marc_us:

whether the source was mpg from a hdhr or the hdpvr

[18:57:27]

kshots_work:

marc_us: Ok... I'm confused. You were saying it doesn't play your recordings, but now it does?

[18:57:35]

Gibby:

!url lmgtfy irc faq

[18:57:35]

MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=irc%20faq

[18:58:02]

jan2600:

kshots_work: Since it went wrong on all three at the same time, I suspect something on the backend. I did do some upgrades, but not mythtv.

[18:58:05]

marc_us:

If I transcode a file for use on other players and smaller files xvid for example, they play fine

[18:58:46]

kshots_work:

marc_us: Ah, ok – you went the xvid transcode route. Personally, I just gave up utilizing the PS3

[18:58:46]

marc_us:

These would be in essence no longer "recordings" but now simply encoded xvid files

[18:59:00]

wagnerrp:

marc_us: if you use the internal transcoder, the PS3 does not play the PS files from a lossless transcode, or the nuvs from a lossy transcode

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kshots_work:

Yeah, I didn't want to go lossy with an xvid transcode – it was lossless or nothing for me

[19:00:25]

marc_us:

kshots_work: Agreed, I don't try to use it for that but for other reasons. It keeps loosing the dlna server connection and it's unreliable

[19:01:18]

wagnerrp:

marc_us: what is?

[19:01:38]

kshots_work:

jan2600: In your case, you say your 2-hour old recordings work fine, but your fresh ones don't... if you wait 2 hours, does it become your 4-hour old recordings working fine and before that point you have issues, or is it always at the 2 hour mark?

[19:02:02]

marc_us:

wagnerrp: Plays my HD HR ts files just fine. I've made the same discovery and don't try to use the ps3 as a player anymore because of the expanding library of HDPVR content and other issues such as the unit dropping connection to the dlna server

[19:02:45]

marc_us:

wagnerrp: The PS3 looses it's dlna connection with the mythbackend very frequently

[19:02:47]

wagnerrp:

are you on an unreliable network? wireless?

[19:03:11]

wagnerrp:

ive not used the upnp server since 0.21, but i never had any trouble with it back then

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marc_us:

A reliable albiet wireless network but I noticed the same behavior with it directly wired.

[19:04:00]

Beirdo:

!parrot wagnerrp

[19:04:00]

** MythLogBot dislodges the parrot from the shoulder of wagnerrp on behalf of Beirdo... **

[19:04:02]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[19:04:04]

Beirdo:

there

[19:04:08]

marc_us:

It also looses other DLNA servers so I don't chalk it up to anything other than the PS3

[19:04:08]

jan2600:

kshots_work: no, all my recordings since yesterday (on those channels) are having the problem. I doesn't go away over time.

[19:05:08]

kshots_work:

jan2600: Any software changes since that point?

[19:05:09]

** awalls never knew wagnerrp was a pirate **

[19:05:24]

** wagnerrp never knew wireless was considered reliable **

[19:05:39]

marc_us:

A popcorn hour A-100 works just fine as a player for my daughters. I set up a script to create symlinks every half hour with cron

[19:05:41]

Beirdo:

awalls: was just testing :0

[19:05:49]

kshots_work:

wireless is reliable enough for TCP bulk transfers

[19:05:53]

awalls:

Aye.

[19:05:54]

wagnerrp:

awalls: parrot, because i keep repeating the same thing... 'stop using wireless'

[19:06:02]

awalls:

lol

[19:06:02]

marc_us:

For my purposes, it's just fine

[19:06:05]

jan2600:

kshots_work: Possibly.. I did update quite some stuff, but not mythtv and the server was not restarted.

[19:06:09]

wagnerrp:

kshots_work: its good enough for transfers with no time constraints

[19:06:15]

wagnerrp:

it is not good enough for time critical tasks

[19:06:18]

wagnerrp:

such as streaming video

[19:06:21]

Beirdo:

!parrot mailing-list-user ripping rented DVD

[19:06:21]

** MythLogBot points at mailing-list-user and says "Nice ripping rented DVD parrot you got there!" on behalf of Beirdo... **

[19:06:26]

jan2600:

kshots_work: Could it be that generating the value for the recordedseek table are wrong ?

[19:06:27]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

you can, and will, drop connection occasionally

[19:06:46]

wagnerrp:

at which point you will run out of network buffer, and your playback will stall

[19:07:06]

iamlindoro:

seektable has nothing to do with sync

[19:07:13]

awalls:

In my home turning on the microwave oven jams most wireless receivers

[19:07:14]

kshots_work:

wagnerrp: I'm not defending wireless for video playback :) I couldn't coax my PS3 to even begin to use wireless for HD playback

[19:07:18]

marc_us:

wagnerrp: You know it's odd you would say that because when it would loose the dlna server was when it was just at the content menu and not while playing. Interesting

[19:07:19]

jan2600:

ah ok

[19:07:23]

awalls:

(Time for a new microwave...)

[19:08:00]

awalls:

Or maybe it just jams the access point.

[19:08:06]

wagnerrp:

awalls: sounds like you need one of those 800MHz industrial ones

[19:08:31]

awalls:

That'll mess with the ancient cordless phone won't it? ;)

[19:08:48]

wagnerrp:

sure, if youve still got one in that band

[19:08:49]

Beirdo:

we don't support ancient cordless phones :)

[19:08:54]

wagnerrp:

on your third replacement battery pack now?

[19:08:55]

kshots_work:

awalls: Not if you use a smoke signals phone

[19:08:59]

awalls:

My microwave does.

[19:10:36]

awalls:

I suppose I could just get an 802.11a capable router. More fun than buying a microwave.

[19:10:51]

kshots_work:

your microwave likely operates at 2.4 GHz. A smoke signals phone usually operates at 0.2–0.8 Hz

[19:11:24]

awalls:

kshots_work: Plus I get to light fires with a smoke signals phone. :)

[19:11:32]

kshots_work:

exactly! :)

[19:11:46]

wagnerrp:

kshots_work: actually, smoke signals usually operate around 500THz

[19:12:04]

awalls:

I think he was thinking of using OOK

[19:12:14]

Gibby:

snagged a pvr for under $30 on ebay.. hopefully it works

[19:12:18]

kshots_work:

wagnerrp: That would be one tired guy with a blanket :)

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Gibby:

pvr-150 i meant

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wagnerrp:

remember, were talking about the carrier frequency here, not the signaling frequency

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kshots_work:

Gibby: Didn't know you were looking... I've got a couple PVR 150's I can't use anymore

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wagnerrp:

in the case of smoke signals, the carrier frequency would be visible light

[19:13:36]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[19:13:40]

Gibby:

kshots_work: o well, checked on ebay, looks like most were going for around $30, i only need it for a couple months at most

[19:13:52]

Beirdo:

we are such a bunch of smart-alecs today :)

[19:14:11]

Gibby:

time for more beer and to finish my fence

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** kshots_work liked the image of a really fast indian better :) **

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** awalls is thinking of adding smoke signals as an example to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-off_keying **

[19:14:52]

wagnerrp:

one of these guys? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412080/

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RagingMind:

I'm not sure if my pvr250 is dying or if my mobo is :(

[19:16:33]

awalls:

Take out all the PCI cards, blow out all the dust from the slots, reseat the cards.

[19:17:13]

wagnerrp:

http://4.media.bustedtees.cvcdn.com/5/5/buste . . . 2bb8fb1e.gif

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** awalls grins **

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kshots_work:

What is that? An SD card?

[19:17:51]

wagnerrp:

what?

[19:17:51]

awalls:

Kids today.

[19:17:56]

kshots_work:

lol, j/k

[19:17:56]

wagnerrp:

seriously?

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** kshots_work likes making people feel old **

[19:18:09]

awalls:

When I was your age we had Atari 2006's and we liked 'em!

[19:18:24]

awalls:

/2600's/

[19:18:38]

** kshots_work actually had an atari 800 when he was 5 **

[19:18:51]

kshots_work:

... so I have no excuse for not knowing what an NES is, by a long shot :)

[19:19:35]

awalls:

I had a TI-99–4A when I was 9. </oneupmanship>

[19:19:41]

wagnerrp:

so what do you think caused them to name the 2600 the 2600...

[19:20:02]

kshots_work:

they figure you wouldn't need anything better until the year 2600

[19:20:03]

awalls:

Dunno; code name was Stella IIRC

[19:20:25]

wagnerrp:

completely arbitrary, or a reference to the AT&T long distance signaling tone?

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awalls:

wagnerrp: The most trusted name in research has the answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600 second paragraph

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marc_us:

How about the Odyssey^2?

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marc_us:

kshots_work: I had an 800 as well

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kshots_work:

The 800 was so much more useful... you could actually write stuff for it

[19:33:31]

kshots_work:

_and_ it had cartidges, too, if you insisted on not waiting 10–15 minutes for your games to load off the floppies

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** awalls remembers loading games off audio cassette tape for the TI-99–4A **

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** wagnerrp 's first console was a PS3 **

[19:38:07]

wagnerrp:

we had an old astrocade, but it burned up before i remember ever using it

[19:38:58]

kshots_work:

I had a few tape-based games on my C-64. Actually took quite a bit to acquire, and wasn't anywhere near as exciting as I thought it would be at the age of 10 :)

[19:39:50]

kshots_work:

Didn't give anywhere near as much of an indicator of what was going on as the 1541 drive – couldn't tell if it was totally lost or working fine

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awalls:

I just used an old cassette recorder we had. Turn up the volume and listen to the sound of FSK. :P

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kshots_work:

heh

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kshots_work:

I never was sure which one was supposed to be more reliable... I stored basic code on both the floppies and on tape

[19:41:44]

awalls:

Tape stretches. Floppies should have been better.

[19:42:11]

devinheitmueller:

awalls: tape has fewer head alignment problems.

[19:42:22]

awalls:

Tape player speed vary as well.

[19:42:30]

awalls:

devinheitmueller: yeah good point.

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jan2600:

kshots_work: I think I've found something. With all debugging enabled on the frontend, there's a gazillion of these in the log: [mpegts @ 0xb5362020]invalid dts/pts combination

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awalls:

DVB-S? Problem at the source or you're dropping packets I'd guess.

[19:45:10]

jan2600:

Indeed DVB-S. The file does play fine in mplayer though

[19:45:23]

kshots_work:

I think I actually had one program (a self-written backup program) that I think I had to use on tape, because I hadn't mastered the art of causing basic programs to "wait for input" so I could load another disc in... with the tape, I could assign one drive to read, one drive to write, and one tape drive to execute a program on

[19:45:55]

awalls:

Some players handle bad streams better than others.

[19:46:37]

awalls:

Try to dig up a program that analyzes your recorded TS files for errors. Take the players out of the equation.

[19:47:02]

devinheitmueller:

awalls: if anybody happens to know of such an app, I would be interested.

[19:47:18]

awalls:

dvbsnoop has some level of decoding.

[19:47:33]

awalls:

IIRC

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devinheitmueller:

I think I looked at dvbsnoop at one point, and I don't remember it having any sort of error analysis.

[19:48:00]

devinheitmueller:

(it was mainly just a decoder)

[19:48:25]

awalls:

Probably not. I though it would bark if something looked really wrong.

[19:48:30]

kshots_work:

Rather than taking the players out of the equation, is there a way to get "just" the internal player to play the recordings, without the extra DB stuff (commercial flags and similar)?

[19:48:54]

kshots_work:

Honestly, his log looks like it's confirming errors – using another tool to confirm the same wouldn't tell us anything

[19:49:14]

jan2600:

I can try to convert it using a standalone ffmpeg and see if it also reports these errors

[19:49:31]

kshots_work:

there you go – and see if the internal player has a problem with the converted stream

[19:50:07]

devinheitmueller:

I'm pretty sure ffmpeg's analysis is minimal. I don't think it will even show you TEI or discontinuities.

[19:50:24]

jan2600:

ffmpeg does report the same thing: [mpegts @ 0x9ffa420]invalid dts/pts combination / Last message repeated 125 times

[19:50:54]

awalls:

kshots_work: True. When realigning the dish or fixing cable runs, he should probably be just using femon anyway- not MythTV

[19:53:01]

jan2600:

I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong with the dish. Other transponders are received without any problems. It's just the channels in this 1 transponder which have issues

[19:53:30]

awalls:

So what does femon report for unc or ber?

[19:54:53]

awalls:

(Those numbers may only be valid if you have a lock – no guarantees when in the unlocked state)

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jan2600:

I get an error: Problem retrieving frontend information: Operation not supported

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jan2600:

and then: status CVYL | signal 0% | snr 0% | ber 0 | unc 2 | FE_HAS_LOCK

[19:56:18]

awalls:

What DVB-S card do you have?

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awalls:

(Not reporting status is linux driver lameness)

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jan2600:

TechnoTrend S2–3200

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jan2600:

lspci reports: Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01)

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awalls:

Hmm. Looking at the driver code I can't find where exactly that card is supported. What DVB frontend is reported in demsg when the card isiniitalized?

[20:08:47]

awalls:

It probably doesn't matter. I'm just going to look at the DVB frontend driver code and confirm that it can't report status about the signal.

[20:09:01]

jan2600:

Hmm. This machine has an uptime of 186 days, that part is long gone from dmesg. The driver used is stb6100. I can try to rmmod and modprobe it again

[20:09:22]

awalls:

No don't do that yet.

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jan2600:

There's also stb0899 which is in use

[20:12:43]

awalls:

The stb6100 frontend driver looks to only support getting the status (i.e. locked or not) :(

[20:13:25]

awalls:

You'll be unable to tell if you've got uncorrectable blocks when tuning to that transponder.

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awalls:

Or if you have a good lock and the TS errors are being induced elsewhere in your system (or at the broadcaster)

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jan2600:

ic.. There was something weird before this all happened, all those channels suddenly where FTA for about a day.

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awalls:

The device with the stb0899 should be able to report signal status.

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jan2600:

I guess that one is used for DVB-S2

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jan2600:

awalls: I tried tuning to a DVB-S2 channel, but I still get the same results in femon..

[20:33:21]

jan2600:

oops; not the same: status C YL | signal 05aa | snr 0026 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000002 | FE_HAS_LOCK

[20:33:49]

awalls:

That could be junk. If you get "Operation not supported"

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jan2600:

But it still complains about something not supported.

[20:34:45]

awalls:

A return -ENOSUPP from the DVB infrastructure; you're looking at junk in the femon output aside from the FE_HAS_LOCK

[20:35:34]

awalls:

The stb6100 frontend driver won't report signal status to you, aside from the lock status. IT does not matter what transponder you tune that device to.

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awalls:

You're plan of attack is probably as follows:

[20:36:18]

awalls:

Try and find a player that is happy with the recordings with errors

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jan2600:

strace shows that femon does 5 ioctls. The last one always returns -ENOSUPP...

[20:36:37]

jan2600:

done: mplayer

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awalls:

Hmm. Time to verify which frontend that card is using. Did /var/log/messages log that card being initiailized?

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jan2600:

Very likely but logrotate already cleaned it up...

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awalls:

OK. kill all the userspace apps that might have that card open and modprobe -r and modporbe the main driver module for that card.

[20:40:10]

awalls:

That should log what frontend is in use.

[20:40:24]

awalls:

(Sorry I'm very unfamiliar with this card)

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jan2600:

willd o

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jan2600:

will do...

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jan2600:

saa7146: register extension 'budget_ci dvb'.

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awalls:

Ah, the budget-ci driver attached both the stb0899 and stb6100 for the TT S2 3200

[20:46:09]

awalls:

/attaches/

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jan2600:

Yep, that happens a few lines further down the road

[20:46:32]

awalls:

the STB0889 is the demodulator

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Laughing_Elephan:

hello all

[20:47:07]

awalls:

(Er I think.)

[20:47:08]

Laughing_Elephan:

i was wondering if anyone with more know-how than I have could help me out with getting my ubuntu box setup with mythtv

[20:47:24]

awalls:

Anyway, when you let femon run, does it continuously display status

[20:47:26]

awalls:

?

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wagnerrp:

Laughing_Elephan: this channel is for specific questions

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awalls:

/continually/

[20:47:38]

wagnerrp:

try to follow the documentation first

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jan2600:

Yes, but it gives an error before each report

[20:47:51]

wagnerrp:

if you get stuck on something, or dont understand the wording, go ahead and ask

[20:48:03]

awalls:

Do they parameters in each report change occasionally, but slightly?

[20:48:08]

awalls:

/the/

[20:48:37]

awalls:

Or change every once in a while (i.e. don't look like the same values all the time?)

[20:49:02]

Laughing_Elephan:

i've been through the docs...i'm trying to follow the step to just test my card using mplayer, and when I try to scan one of the frequencies, it just says tune failed...and when I try to add the channels in the myth backend it finds the guide info, but when i go to watch tv it says please wait and just returns me to the main menu

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wagnerrp:

failure to record is generally something set up incorrectly

[20:50:00]

wagnerrp:

check your backend logs to see what it is reporting is wrong

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jan2600:

awalls: Yes, when not using human readable output, signal and snr do drift a bit: signal 00eb | snr 007c

[20:51:03]

jan2600:

it goes up and down with 1 every now and then

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awalls:

Anyway jan2600, so If you believe that femon is reporting good status, you should see errors if unc increases, or ber is non-zero

[20:52:25]

awalls:

Watch a live stream with in mplayer and look for mplayer to gripe corresponding to a change in unc or ber.

[20:52:34]

jan2600:

ber is always 0 and unc is always 2 it seems..

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Beirdo:

unc unc unc ;)

[20:53:03]

awalls:

unc will likely grow when you get a ber reading

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Laughing_Elephan:

ah my backend log says there's no valid capture cards installed

[20:53:37]

wagnerrp:

Laughing_Elephan: you have your card defined in step two of mythtv-setup?

[20:53:50]

awalls:

IF you get mplayer griping whith no change in ber or unc, then the errors are coming from the broadcaster or are being generated in your system (dropping packets)

[20:53:51]

wagnerrp:

im not sure how you would have scanned if you didnt do that

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Laughing_Elephan:

i believe so...that's what i thought too

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awalls:

If the mplayer gripes correspond to unc or ber, then you know it's signal fades causing the errors.

[20:55:44]

Laughing_Elephan:

it says there's no capture cards defined in the database. is there anyway i can rerun the myth-tv setup?

[20:56:18]

wagnerrp:

yes, run 'mythtv-setup'

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wagnerrp:

note that any changes you make while in there will not take effect until you restart your backend

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awalls:

jan2600: obviously the actions you can take depend on if the error noted by the player correspond to signal fades or not.

[20:57:49]

awalls:

If not caused by signal fades, your options for corrective action are probably limited

[20:59:12]

Laughing_Elephan:

how can you tell if something's not setup right? i have four cap. cards: v4l, dvb, mjpeg, and go7007...

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wagnerrp:

no, those are four types of cards

[21:00:14]

wagnerrp:

you compiled mythtv yourself? you didnt use the mythbuntu packages?

[21:00:45]

wagnerrp:

what card do you have?

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Laughing_Elephan:

v4l: /dev/video0, dvb: /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0, mjpeg: /dev/video0, GO7007: /dev/video0

[21:01:02]

Laughing_Elephan:

i used the install packages that come with ubuntu

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jan2600:

awalls: ok, thanks a lot for your help!

[21:01:35]

wagnerrp:

did you just go through each type, and create one?

[21:01:39]

wagnerrp:

what card do you have?

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awalls:

np. Sorry for the sometimes circuitous questions

[21:01:48]

Laughing_Elephan:

i have a hauppauge wintv-hvr 1600

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wagnerrp:

the -1600 exposes itself as a dvb card at the node you have listed

[21:02:22]

wagnerrp:

and as an mpeg card at /dev/video0

[21:02:33]

wagnerrp:

it is not a v4l card, an mjpeg card, or a plextor card

[21:02:48]

wagnerrp:

you need to delete all those definitions

[21:02:53]

wagnerrp:

and add one for an mpeg encoder card

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awalls:

Does MythTV still say PVR-xxx card in the pulldown?

[21:03:35]

awalls:

(qeustion for wagnerrp)

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wagnerrp:

i think it has that in parentheses, as example

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Laughing_Elephan:

mpeg-4 or mjpeg?

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Laughing_Elephan:

i also have ivtv mpeg-2, but that says failed to open in the probed info

[21:05:13]

wagnerrp:

yeah, 'IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card', thats the one you want

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awalls:

HVR-1600 is MPEG-2

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Laughing_Elephan:

ok that's what a friend told me, but what do i do about the failed to open?

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wagnerrp:

is mythbackend running?

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Laughing_Elephan:

oh i typed /dev/video0 in and it popped up

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awalls:

Type in /dev/video0 as the device node?

[21:07:05]

awalls:

Oops OK. You did it.

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wagnerrp:

it should have autodetected any compatible cards mapped to /dev/videoX nodes

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Laughing_Elephan:

so that's the only card type i need?

[21:07:29]

awalls:

I have a version of MythTV that does the same thing (-0.21)

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wagnerrp:

you need that, and the dvb device you already had set up

[21:07:54]

wagnerrp:

your 1600 is effectively two different cards on one board

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Laughing_Elephan:

right...so the mpeg-2 is the analog signal and dvb the digital? or is dvb just over-air hd?

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2 is analog, dvb digital, yes

[21:09:06]

wagnerrp:

remember, digital != hd

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Laughing_Elephan:

ok right, just diff. frequencies effectively?

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** awalls cringes **

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Laughing_Elephan:

sorry awalls...im new to the game...

[21:10:21]

awalls:

It's OK. That's a whole conversation in your one question.

[21:10:40]

Laughing_Elephan:

got ya...well ill look that up on my own time then if it's not important for the setup

[21:10:57]

awalls:

It's not usually

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Laughing_Elephan:

good deal

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wagnerrp:

Laughing_Elephan: no, digital and analog use the same exact frequencies, they just use different encoding

[21:11:45]

wagnerrp:

what i mean is that there is no such thing as a HD broadcast

[21:11:50]

wagnerrp:

there is merely a digital broadcast

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wagnerrp:

which contains a compressed mpeg stream up to a certain bitrate

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wagnerrp:

the tuner card doesnt care, and doesnt even know what resolution the video is

[21:12:36]

wagnerrp:

it just passes the stream onto the tuner

[21:12:50]

wagnerrp:

hence, its not HDTV, its just digital tv

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Laughing_Elephan:

i gotcha i think...so an hd channel just encrypts the encoding so only the cable company's box can access?

[21:14:29]

wagnerrp:

broadcast ATSC does not allow encryption

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wagnerrp:

digital cable can be encrypted, such that only a device with a cablecard can access it

[21:15:15]

wagnerrp:

they cable boxes themselves do no encryption, they have a small crypto module installed in them that does everything

[21:15:25]

wagnerrp:

decryption, rather

[21:15:56]

Laughing_Elephan:

right, i think i'd learned that part at least in the past

[21:16:18]

Laughing_Elephan:

so when im setting up the channels i'm looking for atsc broadcast channels?

[21:16:36]

wagnerrp:

do you have your card plugged into an antenna, or the cable line?

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Laughing_Elephan:

cable line

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wagnerrp:

then you will be scanning for ntsc analog cable, and qam256 digital cable

[21:17:42]

wagnerrp:

you will not likely be able to receive anything more than the local broadcast channels over digital cable

[21:18:00]

wagnerrp:

you can check ahead of time what you should get by looking at the channel lineups on the silicondust.com website

[21:20:01]

wagnerrp:

also, you shouldnt be scanning analog anyway

[21:20:20]

wagnerrp:

its much simpler to pull an analog cable lineup from your schedules direct account

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Laughing_Elephan:

ok, so the next step would be to go through my input connections that use my cable (mpeg:tuner1 and DVBInput) and getting listings info from schedules direct

[21:23:32]

wagnerrp:

something like that

[21:23:43]

wagnerrp:

(been years since ive actually set them up)

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Laughing_Elephan:

gotcha

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Laughing_Elephan:

once i have the listings setup, though, do I do the channel scan option? does that validate the listings?

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wagnerrp:

you pull the lineup for analog cable, and thats it

[21:25:28]

wagnerrp:

digital cable, you will need to scan the channels, and then individually match them up with the xmltvids you can get off the schedules direct website

[21:26:02]

Laughing_Elephan:

ok...so if i go to my frontend my analog should work now?

[21:26:30]

wagnerrp:

if youve pulled a lineup, and mapped that source to the tuner input on your analog card

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Laughing_Elephan:

ok, im letting mythfilldatabase run and then ill see if my analog is working

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wagnerrp:

go ahead and try now

[21:29:13]

wagnerrp:

it can run in the background and wont affect the backend

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wagnerrp:

the worst that could happen is you end up with livetv recordings with no metadata

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wagnerrp:

theyre just marked 'unknown' with a channel id and time

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Laughing_Elephan:

so i can access those channels from the channel editor?

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wagnerrp:

?

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wagnerrp:

the analog channels you imported can be edited in the channel editor, yes

[21:32:57]

wagnerrp:

just do not change the xmltv id

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** Beirdo is mentally chuckling about the Arrested Development episode with Tobias' business cards where he mixed analyst and therapist.. and then wondered why his business went downhill **

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Laughing_Elephan:

i have a list in my channel editor that has channel number, title, and video source

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Laughing_Elephan:

how can i tell if they're working from the backend though?

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wagnerrp:

?

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Laughing_Elephan:

i wanted to check if i could actually tune to those channels in my channel editor, dont i need to go to the frontend for that?

[21:38:06]

Laughing_Elephan:

also, im getting "could not connect to the master backend server — is it running?is the ip address set for it in the setup program correct?

[21:38:27]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv-setup cannot access tuners for diagnostic purposes

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wagnerrp:

and you must run 'mythbackend' before you can do anything else

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wagnerrp:

it manages all tuners

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Laughing_Elephan:

ok...does the mythbackend tend to take a while to start?

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wagnerrp:

no more than a few seconds

[21:41:02]

wagnerrp:

except /you/ have to run it

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup does not automatically do it for you

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wagnerrp:

well... the mythbuntu wrappers might...

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Laughing_Elephan:

im running it, but not sure if i have to sudo it or something because it keeps pausing for a long time at various points

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Laughing_Elephan:

it paused for a while at 'seem to be woken up by user' and now after saying 'AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0GB w/ freq: 15 min'

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yea, our wrappers stop and start the backend for you when you go into/leave mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

Laughing_Elephan: What is it you expect it to do? It's running.

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iamlindoro:

It pauses when it has nothing to do

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Laughing_Elephan:

i just didnt know how long it was supposed to run

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iamlindoro:

It's supposed to run forever

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Laughing_Elephan:

and i didnt know if the autoexpire was an error

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gaurdro:

anyone have experience in solving a hvr-1600 with no sound? sound is configured on the machine, and plays for optical disks but not livetv. I have set the bitrate according to a couple different sources but that doesn't seem to help.

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wagnerrp:

it sits in the background, managing your tuners

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wagnerrp:

your frontend connects to it to access the tuners

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wagnerrp:

multiple frontends locally and across the network can connect to it to access the tuners

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Laughing_Elephan:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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Laughing_Elephan:

ok now im getting a signal, but it's all static

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** wagnerrp wonders what devinheitmueller uses for an antenna now that hes no longer under the giant broadcast tower **

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wagnerrp:

and a straightened out paper clip jammed in the tuner wont cut it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: He's in detroit-- the whole city is a twisted metal carcass capable of TV reception

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Laughing_Elephan:

any idea why im just getting static?

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wagnerrp:

your cableco no longer offers analog cable?

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gaurdro:

make sure you're on a channel that exists as well.

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Laughing_Elephan:

im using comcast, and we dont have a digital box

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Laughing_Elephan:

and the tv we have this cable split with is working fine

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clever:

Laughing_Elephan: try without the cable split

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gaurdro:

Laughing_Elephan, is it a light grey static?

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Laughing_Elephan:

no it was dark grey and had a lot of pixelated colors that would come in and out, but definitely some of the classic snow static too

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Laughing_Elephan:

i need to go to a class now, but i'll try that when i get back as that'll disconnect me from the internet anyway

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awalls:

gaurdro: Does baseband audio in (like audio from a DVD player plugged into the card's inputs)) work on your HVR-1600

[22:00:27]

awalls:

?

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gaurdro:

I don't know. I'll check.

[22:01:13]

awalls:

Sometimes the A/V decoder's analog broadcast audio standard detection can go stupid.

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awalls:

(or more accurately get confused)

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awalls:

gaurdro: you might also want to try feeding the RF channel 3 output from a DTV STB or a VCR into the tuner and check the audio for that as well.

[22:05:53]

awalls:

I think the CX23418 not detecting broadcast audio properly is caused by whatever cable companies seem to be doing with their signal nowadays.

[22:06:05]

awalls:

(just a hypothesis – it needs testing)

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gaurdro:

hrm, output from my dvd player doesn't produce audio either.

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awalls:

What are you using to play sound?

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awalls:

Or more directly: stop mythvtv and the mythbackend from trying to use the analog side of the card.

[22:08:04]

gaurdro:

this is mytbuntu 10.04, so I would assume pulseaudio.

[22:08:19]

awalls:

Then test with more basic utilities: ivtv-tune, v42l-ctl, and mplayer or aplay.

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awalls:

/v4l2-ctl/

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awalls:

Just to make sure you can hear audio from the card.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

now recording... Scrubs... and... Scrubs

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awalls:

!url list

[22:12:16]

MythLogBot:

No match for keyword list

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awalls:

!url – list

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MythLogBot:

faq google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs nocablecard overscan tuners upnp wiki

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awalls:

!url lmgtfy Sarah Chalke

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=Sarah%20Chalke

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awalls:

Unless of course we're recording the new Scrubs.

[22:14:53]

dewman:

so if I have a bunch of recordings that I want to delete is there a quick way to delete all the recordings rather then one at a time?

[22:15:18]

gaurdro:

okay so no audio from mplayer -cache 8192 /dev/video0 with dvd player output. but v4l2-ctl sees an audio input called Tuner 1

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dewman:

err. ie 60 episodes of days of our lives that I want to delete...

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awalls:

v4l2-ctl -n

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Beirdo:

I have a friend that looks much like her

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Beirdo:

and is about the same age... but born in Toronto, not Ottawa :)

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awalls:

v4l2-ctl -i <whatever>

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awalls:

If you change to the tuner input then...

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awalls:

ivtv-tune -t us-bcast -c 7

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awalls:

for channel 7 or whatever.

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awalls:

Then: aplay -f dat < /dev/video24

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awalls:

IIRc correctly to play the Raw PCM data before it gets to the MPEG encoder.

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awalls:

/IIRC/

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awalls:

If you did select the tuner, make sure : v4l2-ctl --log-status

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awalls:

shows that there is a video signal present and that an audio standard was detected and the microcontroller unmuted.

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awalls:

Beirdo: Toronto Maple Leafs. What's the team in Ottowa?

[22:23:36]

awalls:

(a bit of a on-sequitor I know)

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awalls:

/non/

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Beirdo:

Senators

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Beirdo:

and I hate the Leafs, I'm a Senators fan :)

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awalls:

Huh, guess I haven't watch hockey in a very long time.

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awalls:

/watched/

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awalls:

gaurdro: I almost forgot: v4l2-ctl -L to check and make sure the mute control isn't set there.

[22:29:20]

gaurdro:

ah hah, it says no detected audio standard. for the dvd but for cable there's one. it says it's muted for both inputs.

[22:30:19]

awalls:

When you're using audio/video line in (like for the DVD player) you're not using the audio standard detection microcontroller, so that's OK.

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awalls:

Does it detect BTSC mono for cable?

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Twiggy2cents:

I have a retarded question. In recording rules, what does it mean if the rule is blue with a blue dot next to it?

[22:32:28]

awalls:

Honestly, I'd try to get the DVD player audio audible first, since that should reliably work with the HVR-1600 under all circumstances

[22:32:42]

Twiggy2cents:

I have an active rule that is blue and an supposed to be active rule that is not blue

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gaurdro:

yes it does

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awalls:

gaurdro: DVD audio is audible throught the HVR-1600?

[22:33:32]

awalls:

/through/

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awalls:

Or the CX23418's integrate '843 audio decoder detects BTSC mono?

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awalls:

/integrated/

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gaurdro:

awalls, not via cable line out of dvd player, nor via audio out -> audio in. but I've never used that ever, so I don't know if the dvd player actually works that way.

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Beirdo:

ivtv devices are capable of doing VBR, are they now?

[22:36:17]

Beirdo:

not rather?

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Beirdo:

I don't think myth ever tells them to

[22:36:33]

awalls:

Hmm. Too bad. I trying to determine if you have a System level ALS/Pulse Audio problem, or a problem with the HVR-1600.

[22:36:47]

awalls:

Berido: v4l2-ctl -L

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gaurdro:

well, playing a dvd in my pc plays audio, I have audio for music, firefox, etc. so I think it's a HVR-1600 issue.

[22:37:13]

awalls:

IRIC correctly CBR and VBR controls are there

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Beirdo:

yup, I see them there

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Beirdo:

interesting

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awalls:

gaurdro: Well the only reason the baseband audio input on the HVR-1600 would fail to work is if you have I@C bus erros on the HVR-1600. Do your logs show any such errors?

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awalls:

/I2C/

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Beirdo:

interesting... the HVR-2250 driver doesn't enumerate the menu types

[22:39:39]

awalls:

My thinking is the HVR-1600 is fine, but isn't happy with your cable company's analog signals when it comes to broadcast audio from the tuner.

[22:39:46]

Beirdo:

I think he missed that :)

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awalls:

Beirdo: GRipe to stoth on menus. ;)

[22:40:02]

Beirdo:

being earlyish beta, not too surprising

[22:40:14]

Beirdo:

I might just make him a patch.

[22:40:38]

awalls:

gaurdro: I just wanted to see if the DVD play could confirm that.

[22:40:52]

Beirdo:

just did the -L, and it shows menu types, no enum...

[22:41:00]

Beirdo:

the ivtv does, the hdpvr does

[22:41:19]

Beirdo:

oh wait

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awalls:

Beirdo: hverkuil just made many changes to the v4l2-ctl framework recently.

[22:41:25]

Beirdo:

no the hdpvr is missing it too

[22:41:31]

awalls:

Make sure you patch the right studff.

[22:41:35]

Beirdo:

aye

[22:41:48]

Beirdo:

I'll mention to him anyways later

[22:42:03]

Beirdo:

it's not the end of the world, but completion, etc...

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gaurdro:

awalls, I'm not seeing any. maybe i missed that it said that is was muted (or misunderstood what it was saying)

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awalls:

guardo: the only other obvious thing I can think of is the mute control is on whcih can be changed with v4l2-ctl.

[22:43:21]

awalls:

I've got to go: the kids are running wild. I'm supposed to be watching them or something... ;)

[22:43:29]

Beirdo:

pish

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Beirdo:

turn on Barney :)

[22:43:34]

Beirdo:

heh

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awalls:

I love you...droool.

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gaurdro:

awalls, thanks for the help :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Think the tuner card table pages may need a giant note box telling morons that they're not an exhaustive list of cards that will work in myth

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Beirdo:

hheheeh

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Beirdo:

I was just formulating exactly that thought

[22:45:22]

Beirdo:

we musta read the same post

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sphery:

hmmm... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8330

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sphery:

I think that can't possibly happen as it did back then with the new editor

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sphery:

highzeth: wanna look at it ^^^

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skd5aner:

sphery: hey, what's up man?

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highzeth:

sphery: still happens as of 0.23-fixes – 26231, did a couple edits while recording last night, havent kept up with recent changes, when did the editor get a makeover?

[23:02:15]

skd5aner:

sphery: wanted to let you know my replacement PSU came in, and you'll be happy to know it's 80PLUS Bronze

[23:03:58]

sphery:

highzeth: after 0.23, so in trunk, now

[23:04:08]

sphery:

skd5aner: hooray!

[23:04:41]

sphery:

I love the 80 plus--and I haven't gone bronze or better, yet

[23:04:53]

skd5aner:

sphery: was something else I was going to tell you when you showed up again, but slipped my mind

[23:04:54]

skd5aner:

oh well

[23:05:28]

sphery:

heh, yeah, I saw you ping me once and seen me a second time

[23:05:39]

sphery:

you were't around last night when I was in, though

[23:05:45]

skd5aner:

eh, I'm sure it wasn't critical

[23:05:50]

sphery:

heh, cool

[23:06:08]

sphery:

well, you can always leave me a message and I'll get you an answer when I'm in

[23:06:15]

skd5aner:

probably just something like "oh yea, sphery would be interested about ________ because he's talked about ______ before"

[23:06:16]

skd5aner:

heh

[23:06:23]

sphery:

ahhh

[23:06:34]

skd5aner:

yea, my alerting kind of sucks – so I don't know how well it works for others

[23:06:44]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: but i still use xvmc on my brand new Via system

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highzeth:

sphery: ok, good to know, will see if I can get a test box up again this weekend, done a fall rehaul of the hw. =)

[23:07:29]

skd5aner:

so – what is the future of XvMC as far as MythTV is concerned – seems like anymore it's not only not recommended, it's actually discouraged – It's dead Jim!

[23:07:55]

sphery:

pretty much

[23:08:08]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: dead come moments after the branch, as far as im concerned

[23:08:15]

iamlindoro:

you can't get a current nVidia driver that supports it

[23:08:17]

wagnerrp:

it will exist in 0.24, it will not exist in 0.25

[23:08:18]

sphery:

I think there's a good chance that 0.24 will be released with a disclaimer stating it's the last version that will support XvMc

[23:08:23]

skd5aner:

I mean – I would imagine someday it would make sense for the devs to actually rip out support – I always had trouble enough with it 5 years ago when I wanted it to work

[23:08:39]

sphery:

yeah, before 0.25--good chance of that

[23:08:43]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, I mean – that would make sense

[23:09:16]

skd5aner:

I have to imagine that's a good chunk of code that can go bye bye!

[23:09:52]

wagnerrp:

according to a lot of us in here, it was a good chunk of code that shouldnt have been written in the first place

[23:10:00]

wagnerrp:

its all fresh code in 0.24

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wagnerrp:

needed for the OSD rewrite

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skd5aner:

ahh, markk actually put effort into refactoring XvMC code?

[23:10:26]

skd5aner:

for 0.24?

[23:10:56]

sphery:

highzeth: thanks... just noticed that when looking for something else, and I don't know what our current editor would do, but I'm pretty sure that it's impossible for it to do what it did before :)

[23:11:32]

skd5aner:

You know... I wonder if it would make sense, somehow, to say it's deprecated for 0.24 and to inform users who use it with 0.24 that it'll be going away likely in 0.25?

[23:12:01]

sphery:

highzeth: basically, it sounds to me like the problem you reported was basically, "The displayed cut list differs from what's saved"--which was done when the displayed cut list was invalid. With the current editor, the cut list is cleaned immediately upon any change, so it's impossible to get an invalid cut list displayed, so what you see is what you get...

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, All of this has been discussed privately-- yes, that is more or less what we will be doing

[23:12:16]

wagnerrp:

chances are people using it will never touch their existing playback profiles

[23:12:28]

wagnerrp:

so the only thing likely to be seen would be an annoying popup

[23:12:43]

wagnerrp:

and annoying popups will annoy people, and lead to multiple mailing list threads and tickets

[23:13:05]

skd5aner:

gotcha – Well, if you guys go that route and make the decision prior to 0.24 to officially deprecate it, I think that's a good thing to also mention in the release notes – that way it's documented and gives folks a heads up

[23:13:21]

skd5aner:

s/documented/documented a release ahead of time

[23:14:06]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, you're probably right – and people don't read logs either unless there's an issue

[23:14:29]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: that was the general idea though. Let the people know that 0.24 will be as far as they can upgrade if wanting that feature

[23:14:32]

wagnerrp:

i thought it was pretty much decided it was getting dropped about a week ago

[23:14:41]

skd5aner:

A 1 time popup on upgrade maybe wouldn't be that annoying

[23:15:11]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: maybe, I'm not in the loop, so appologies if I'm beat a dead horse I didn't know was already beaten and dead

[23:15:29]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: well, no one but developers were in this loop

[23:15:59]

skd5aner:

yea – that's cool, just saying I may be duplicating conversation here because of that, which is likely the case – no worries

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highzeth:

sphery: well, the displayed cut list seemed valid and saved, but, it set a new 'in' cutpoint after I exited the editor, that 'in' cutpoint is pretty much spot on time wise to the time I spent in the editor. So it leaves a X sec/min out cut-time, then sets a 'in' point after I exit

[23:16:29]

skd5aner:

If you guys make a public decision, let me know and I'll add something to the 0.24 release notes that makes it obvious it'll be the last release with XvMC support

[23:17:12]

highzeth:

so any time left of the original recording schedule remains 'in' with the cut out gap of the time I spent in the editor after last 'out' point was set

[23:17:30]

highzeth:

if that makes any sense, a tad hard to relay this one

[23:17:40]

skd5aner:

When things like this go away (i.e., PVR-350 output, DBOX, etc) there's a few stragglers out there that will be surprised, but I think if we can incorporate those into the release notes a release ahead of time, at least they'll have a good heads up to move on before the next release

[23:17:59]

skd5aner:

but, wishful thinking that those same users would read release notes anyway

[23:18:00]

skd5aner:

heh

[23:19:06]

skd5aner:

anyone else think "$..t My Dad Says" was... uh – "$..tty"

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iamlindoro:

Sucked

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sphery:

highzeth: yeah, I'm not sure I'm following completely, but it still sounds like something that could only happen with the old way it worked before Mark K cleaned up the editor code (the low-level code)

[23:20:17]

iamlindoro:

will not suffer through again

[23:20:27]

skd5aner:

same – wife and I both said "one and done"

[23:20:49]

sphery:

highzeth: figure you'd be able to verify the current status better/faster than anyone else since it seems to be a hard-to-describe/understand behavior :)

[23:21:04]

skd5aner:

Shattner really isn't even the right character if they wanted to try and make that work... they might have been able to cast someone like Peter Boyle... but, uh – he's dead

[23:21:11]

highzeth:

basically, let the recording finish as scheduled, but do not let it set a new 'in' cutpoint after the last 'out' is set. Leave the remains of the recording set as 'out'

[23:21:17]

sphery:

heh, this is why I record first and ask questions later...

[23:21:20]

sphery:

(much later)

[23:21:32]

sphery:

for me it will likely be 0 and done

[23:21:45]

highzeth:

sphery: yup, totally with you, very rare that I watch anything live. I'll report back =)

[23:21:56]

sphery:

thanks to the pioneering reviewers like skd5aner and iamlindoro :)

[23:22:01]

skd5aner:

yea, I have a series premier rule that's actually disabled but allows me to go through and over-ride to record pilots

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sphery:

yeah

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skd5aner:

so typically I want to watch the pilot within a week to see if I should setup a full rule or not

[23:22:25]

skd5aner:

instead of setting up a bunch of rules for every new series

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sphery:

though I don't override, I just create a new any channel/any time rule for each

[23:22:40]

skd5aner:

OH

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sphery:

so I can make my decision /much/ later :)

[23:22:46]

skd5aner:

that's what I wanted to talk to you about sphery...

[23:22:51]

sphery:

oh

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skd5aner:

just reminded me with the any channel/any time stuff ;)

[23:22:59]

sphery:

heh

[23:23:22]

skd5aner:

we've talked in the past about how I've had about 50% channel rules and the rest any channel rules, because of my unique tuner config...

[23:23:38]

skd5aner:

well, remember we talked about 2–3 weeks ago about tuner order versus input order

[23:23:39]

skd5aner:

?

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skd5aner:

I did that a few days ago, and it works GREAT now

[23:24:29]

skd5aner:

I've severly reduced my need for any channel priorities (with 1 use-case exception) and channel specific rules

[23:24:58]

skd5aner:

so – thanks for that tip

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wagnerrp:

hehe...

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sphery:

cool

[23:25:11]

wagnerrp:

'how do i install the driver from the CD provided'

[23:25:14]

sphery:

now we have another evangelist :)

[23:25:14]

wagnerrp:

foolish windows users

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: auto-run should take care of it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: on a *nix forum/list?

[23:25:46]

skd5aner:

sphery: some channel rules make sense, but it is easier, especially for rescanning purposes to do any channel whenever possible

[23:25:48]

sphery:

skd5aner: unless he was holding down the shift key when he inserted the CD

[23:25:49]

sphery:

:)

[23:25:58]

sphery:

skd5aner: exactly

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the (no subject) thread on the mailing list

[23:26:17]

sphery:

yeah, channel rules aren't evil--they just make for more work when you change callsigns

[23:26:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ahh

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skd5aner:

I have some shows that will record repeats and generic syndicated shows on other networks – sometimes easier to just set specific channel rules then to deal with dupe methods

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skd5aner:

Fox already decided to cancel one show I actually was going to give a chance, wasn't too bad based on the Pilot

[23:29:04]

skd5aner:

Lone Star

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wagnerrp:

that the con man with the double life?

[23:29:30]

skd5aner:

yea

[23:29:45]

skd5aner:

went in with low expectations, but was surprised

[23:30:33]

skd5aner:

I guess if it isn't a cop or law drama, there's not enough room for too many other dramas with storylines in them

[23:30:53]

skd5aner:

or hospital/dr/etc

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iamlindoro:

lone star was very good

[23:31:06]

iamlindoro:

I'm mad about that one

[23:31:25]

wagnerrp:

how do you cancel a show after a single episode?

[23:31:39]

skd5aner:

yea, I would say about 50% of my favorite shows end up getting canned – really gets under my skin

[23:32:04]

skd5aner:

Arrested Development, The Unit, Jericho, etc.

[23:32:38]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: Yea, I don't know – they aired 2... not sure if they'll play more or not, but said the rating weren't that good 4M for the pilot and like 2.5M for the second airing

[23:32:43]

wagnerrp:

Arrested Development and The Unit both ran for several seasons

[23:33:02]

skd5aner:

true – but didn't really run their full course

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skd5aner:

speaking of Arrested Development... I tell you one that I actually had a little higher expectations for and I'm not going to record again... Running Wilde

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iamlindoro:

apparently the second episode of that got WAY better

[23:34:17]

skd5aner:

and I think I'm going to give outsourced another try or 2 – not sure where that's going

[23:34:40]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: hmmm, I don't think I recorded past the pilot, but that's what you've heard or did you watch it yourself?

[23:34:47]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, read on tv.com

[23:35:11]

skd5aner:

hmmm, maybe I'll give it a second shot... I like Will Arnett

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, http://www.tv.com/running-wilde-is-definitely . . . hub_stories;

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Beirdo:

I watched it last night

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skd5aner:

thanks

[23:39:24]

Beirdo:

I liked it :)

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high-rez:

What did you watch ?

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high-rez:

Ooh

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high-rez:

Show compared to arrested development?

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high-rez:

#mythtv-users show recommendations have been hit or miss for me. I like Boardwalk Empire, but not into Dexter at all.

[23:43:15]

wagnerrp:

even serial murderers need to live normal lives too

[23:43:31]

iamlindoro:

That just means you should be listening to me :)

[23:43:39]

iamlindoro:

since I recommended BE and would never recommend Dexter ;)

[23:43:56]

high-rez:

wagnerrp: You like that show? I onyl watched 1 recorded episode last night – and it was a bit too bloody for me / hard to follow.

[23:44:05]

wagnerrp:

never seen it, i dont get HBO

[23:44:13]

wagnerrp:

or showtime?

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high-rez:

iamlindoro: Were you an AD fan ?

[23:44:19]

high-rez:

Dexter is showtime.

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wagnerrp:

well, i dont get either

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high-rez:

I love my providers everything package (its not quite everything – but its quite good).

[23:45:24]

iamlindoro:

high-rez, I thought it was okay-- I watched the first season and stopped there-- I wasn't in love with it

[23:45:36]

wagnerrp:

AD?

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high-rez:

Arrested Development

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wagnerrp:

oh, arrested development

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skd5aner:

Active Directory!

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skd5aner:

FTW!

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high-rez:

I loved that show. Thought it was genious – but I think unless you saw previous shows it was super hard to follow (probably why it wasn't a success)

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skd5aner:

high-rez: agreed, everything was an inside joke from a previous episode(s)/season(s)

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wagnerrp:

speaking of premium channels, was the pacific decent? comes out to disk in a month

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skd5aner:

which is one thing I apprecaited about it

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: 'the pacific' ?

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** high-rez searches mythweb **

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wagnerrp:

ever see band of brothers?

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iamlindoro:

The Pacific was good

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wagnerrp:

same thing

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wagnerrp:

but opposite side of the world

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iamlindoro:

didn't like it *quite* as much as BoB, but was very good nonetheless

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high-rez:

skd5aner: I think it really raised the bar for shows like that. I still get a chuckle thinking about some of the odd weird moments (especially the singing of afternoon delight)

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high-rez:

So anything you guys would recommend that's on right now? I'm recording a lot of lame shows that aren't terribly satisfying right now. :/

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skd5aner:

There's money in the banana stand

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skd5aner:

I like sons of anarchy – third season just started

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skd5aner:

but probably wouldn't recommend starting there

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skd5aner:

actually, I like Terriers – first 3 episodes have aired – on FX

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skd5aner:

it didn't get great reviews, but I'm liking it so far – good casting in my opinion

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high-rez:

Ok, I have a 0.25 feature request! If we could rate the shows we really like in myth, and have myth report it all back to a central server – do a little data mining, make recommendations (based on what people like who also like what you like) and when the backend isn't busy, record some of these recommendations

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skd5aner:

high-rez: someone did that a few years back – 3'rd party like recommendation system

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high-rez:

So I could go into watch recordings, and since I know skd5aner and iamlindoro both like some of the same programs I like, but dislike the same I don't, havest what they like to do some record samples

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skd5aner:

high-rez: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Feature_Wishlist_( . . . ation_system

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high-rez:

skd5aner: No kiddin? I think it would be awesome. I think there's a whole ton of stuff I would probably like to watch, but have never heard of / been exposed to.

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high-rez:

Oh man, it's documented and all that huh?

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skd5aner:

well, that's the wishlist

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skd5aner:

this is what I was referring to – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/115030#115030

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high-rez:

MythCrowd sounds most like what I was thinking

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skd5aner:

a little different than you were describing

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skd5aner:

(the link I just posted)

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high-rez:

It would be really interesting of the system could take auto samples when its not busy

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high-rez:

So one could just sit down and be like "oh hey something new recommended"

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skd5aner:

high-rez: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/191446#191446 another

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skd5aner:

high-rez: and another http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . mmend;#92275

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skd5aner:

you get the picture

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skd5aner:

All of those are from the 2004/2005 range though

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high-rez:

skd5aner: Yeah, I've behind this curve on this request is what I see from the picture :)

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skd5aner:

and I don't follow the mailing list in the last 2 years, so I don't know if there's been really any more talk that what's on the feature request wiki page

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high-rez:

So listen

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skd5aner:

high-rez: it's an interesting topic, lots of interest over the years – I'd be interested in a service myth could consume to see what's hot and what's not

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